From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 17:36:55 2017 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 18:36:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Consulting possibility Message-ID: <009001d2f5df$34f4db60$9ede9220$@gmail.com> Request for consulting from a reader. If you're interested, please let me know and I'll send your contact info on. Thanks! - Susan H. Hi Susan: Thanks so much for the reply. So sure - we need consultation in the Bay Area (Berkeley) on moving our data into a web based application and also possibly the work done. For our donor database it might only be a short, small job because we are using an online tool for donation processing now - so we could just simply move to that completely and stop using the Access database (our staff is having difficulty keeping it synched anyway) - it's just the giving history fields we'd want to keep. The other consult might be a bigger deal though - we have a tobacco laws database that exists in Access. Any help appreciated in finding the right person(s). We're a small non profit so we're not looking to get into something like Salesforce or any huge software buy (like we are not able to come up with $250K for sure) but need to know what the reality is. esp for the saf From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 6 11:26:16 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:26:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Screen Size Problem Message-ID: <02b001d2f674$97e174a0$c7a45de0$@bchacc.com> Dear List: I have a problem that has come up since I changed from A2003 to A2010. Some of the forms are not sizing correctly as you can see in these sample screen shots that I hope the link will work: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_l-JKinQQTaZEtBU0tHbUFjYTA?usp=shar ing http://tinyurl.com/y7su88yd As you can see in the first one there are horizontal and vertical slider bars that are not a property of the form. The second shot shows what happens if I slide them to the right and the bottom. I have been using the ADH Screen Resizing code (adhScaleForm) for many years and it always worked well. I suspect that it may be causing the problem because if I disable it I don't get the slider bars. But I can't figure you by stepping through the code where the problem lies. I think it may have something to do with converting the front end to an accdb and using A2010, but I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas on where the problem is? MTIA Rocky From bensonforums at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 20:34:05 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:34:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form Message-ID: I would like to make a textbox, which starts fairly short, expand in size to accommodate a wad of alert text on an alert form. There is no reason for the form to grow in size nor the textbox that is displaying the alert, to be too tall unnecessarily. But the CanGrow property is not helpful since it is relevant to printing only. I have tried to leverage a report with a control that mirrors the textbox on the form, in terms of font and so forth, thinking that I could rely on success I have had making fields on reports grow, but this seems to be beyond my skill to make the form and the report work in concert. I need the report to pop open (only temporarily) and then send it the font characteristics and text of the form's textbox, and then read the "new" height - but there doesn't appear a way to make the Report's events fire with any degree of reliability. I am not even sure which event I would use anyway, since on Open, even changing the value of the textbox (and it is in the Detail section, which is the only section where it can be made to grow) does not seem to have an impact in that event. But I have tried Current and Detail_Format and they don't seem to work either. Not a lot more to say, except this, that the times where on another report I need a similar reporting field to flex, that was all done in the Open event of the report, and it seemed to work just fine then, however I was exporting the report and so I think the size characteristic was adapting to the needs of the text because precisely, the report was being output. But, pretty sure I saw the field adjusting in size even when opened in normal report view. So it all has be a little confused. I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems to flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access (2013) I am not able to open his sample database. Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 10 20:56:14 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 11:56:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5964303E.17040.A001826@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> How is the textbox being populated? Is it one-off when the form is opened or does it get re-populated after the form is displayed? On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > I would like to make a textbox, which starts fairly short, expand in > size to accommodate a wad of alert text on an alert form. There is no > reason for the form to grow in size nor the textbox that is displaying > the alert, to be too tall unnecessarily. > > But the CanGrow property is not helpful since it is relevant to > printing only. > > I have tried to leverage a report with a control that mirrors the > textbox on the form, in terms of font and so forth, thinking that I > could rely on success I have had making fields on reports grow, but > this seems to be beyond my skill to make the form and the report work > in concert. I need the report to pop open (only temporarily) and then > send it the font characteristics and text of the form's textbox, and > then read the "new" height - but there doesn't appear a way to make > the Report's events fire with any degree of reliability. I am not even > sure which event I would use anyway, since on Open, even changing the > value of the textbox (and it is in the Detail section, which is the > only section where it can be made to grow) does not seem to have an > impact in that event. But I have tried Current and Detail_Format and > they don't seem to work either. > > Not a lot more to say, except this, that the times where on another > report I need a similar reporting field to flex, that was all done in > the Open event of the report, and it seemed to work just fine then, > however I was exporting the report and so I think the size > characteristic was adapting to the needs of the text because > precisely, the report was being output. But, pretty sure I saw the > field adjusting in size even when opened in normal report view. So it > all has be a little confused. > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems to > flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and which > I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access (2013) I am > not able to open his sample database. > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 10 21:04:55 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:04:55 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to a .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. That should do it for you. -- Stuart On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems to > flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and which > I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access (2013) I am > not able to open his sample database. > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 10 21:26:38 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:26:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept from him. http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to a > .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > That should do it for you. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems > > to flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and > > which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access > > (2013) I am not able to open his sample database. > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 02:11:54 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:11:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <5964303E.17040.A001826@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5964303E.17040.A001826@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: One off. I have just made 10 textboxes with transparent background with same height and visible =false (for all but first one) and AL with same .Top value. On Open I parse the OpenArgs, and run a parsing routine to break up the text by line feed characters, filling in the other textboxes according to what is warranted by virtue of hard returns, making visible the ones needed. And adjust the detail height upwards by the height of each textbox made visible this way. It's a kludge but it meets my needs. Given the number of Google posts on this with extremely few responses other than Steve Lebans method (which I can't open in a recent version of access) I am going to assume this is not a simple no brainer, and I withdraw the question, because I don't have that much need. Thanks Stuart. >From my non-flammable Note 3, Bill Benson On Jul 10, 2017 9:57 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > How is the textbox being populated? Is it one-off when the form is opened > or does it get > re-populated after the form is displayed? > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > I would like to make a textbox, which starts fairly short, expand in > > size to accommodate a wad of alert text on an alert form. There is no > > reason for the form to grow in size nor the textbox that is displaying > > the alert, to be too tall unnecessarily. > > > > But the CanGrow property is not helpful since it is relevant to > > printing only. > > > > I have tried to leverage a report with a control that mirrors the > > textbox on the form, in terms of font and so forth, thinking that I > > could rely on success I have had making fields on reports grow, but > > this seems to be beyond my skill to make the form and the report work > > in concert. I need the report to pop open (only temporarily) and then > > send it the font characteristics and text of the form's textbox, and > > then read the "new" height - but there doesn't appear a way to make > > the Report's events fire with any degree of reliability. I am not even > > sure which event I would use anyway, since on Open, even changing the > > value of the textbox (and it is in the Detail section, which is the > > only section where it can be made to grow) does not seem to have an > > impact in that event. But I have tried Current and Detail_Format and > > they don't seem to work either. > > > > Not a lot more to say, except this, that the times where on another > > report I need a similar reporting field to flex, that was all done in > > the Open event of the report, and it seemed to work just fine then, > > however I was exporting the report and so I think the size > > characteristic was adapting to the needs of the text because > > precisely, the report was being output. But, pretty sure I saw the > > field adjusting in size even when opened in normal report view. So it > > all has be a little confused. > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems to > > flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and which > > I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access (2013) I am > > not able to open his sample database. > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 02:15:08 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:15:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I did not see i had more responses to this from you Stuart, after reading your first response (as I hadnt answered you yet)... so i didnt mean to be discourteois, i see i replied to an outdated message. I will try your two ideas tomorrow (well later today ) but it's 3AM here, had lots else I was working on to nite that was higher priority >From my non-flammable Note 3, Bill Benson On Jul 10, 2017 10:27 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept from > him. > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to a > > .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > > > > > That should do it for you. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems > > > to flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and > > > which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access > > > (2013) I am not able to open his sample database. > > > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 11 19:27:41 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:27:41 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <59656CFD.260.ED56719@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Must be a few lurkers around here. :) No comments about the techniques in the sample databases, but they've been downloaded about 25 times so far :) -- Stuart On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:26, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept > from him. > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to > > a .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > > > > > That should do it for you. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that > > > seems to flex controls except some databases created by Steve > > > Lebans and which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version > > > of Access (2013) I am not able to open his sample database. > > > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 19:39:38 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:39:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, if the purpose of the example is to allow me to type lots into the bottom textbox on frmCangrow and the textbox and its section will grow... well that is not occurring. The scrollbar being present means I can type more into the textbox than just the visible region, but that is not helping me display an alert within a taller textbox and showing it on a taller dialog depending on the size of the alert message I want to display. What am I doing amiss? On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept from > him. > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to a > > .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > > > > > That should do it for you. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems > > > to flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and > > > which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access > > > (2013) I am not able to open his sample database. > > > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 19:41:30 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:41:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <59643247.11497.A080C15@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for Steve's database as an accdb, at least I got to see it. But it is not doing what I wanted, as I wrote in answer to your later post. I must not be communicating, or I must not be getting how to make the textbox grow on the form example Steve offers. On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it to a > .accdb, zipped it > and uploaded it to http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3. > zip. > > > > That should do it for you. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, but > > looking around on the internet I have not found anything that seems to > > flex controls except some databases created by Steve Lebans and which > > I downloaded but alas, with too recent a version of Access (2013) I am > > not able to open his sample database. > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 11 20:15:10 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:15:10 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: References: , <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <5965781E.16679.F00E270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Bill. If you open the form in AutoSizetextBox and scroll through the records, you will see the textbox change width and height to suit each record. It is triggered by the call to fAutoSizeTextBoxM in the On_Current event. To use it when displaying an alert, just set the alert text in the textbox and call the function to resize the texbox as appropriate. -- Stuart On 11 Jul 2017 at 20:39, Bill Benson wrote: > Stuart, if the purpose of the example is to allow me to type lots into > the bottom textbox on frmCangrow and the textbox and its section will > grow... well that is not occurring. The scrollbar being present means > I can type more into the textbox than just the visible region, but > that is not helping me display an alert within a taller textbox and > showing it on a taller dialog depending on the size of the alert > message I want to display. > > What am I doing amiss? > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept > > from him. > > > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip > > > > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > > > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it > > > to a .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > > > > > > > > > That should do it for you. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, > > > > but looking around on the internet I have not found anything > > > > that seems to flex controls except some databases created by > > > > Steve Lebans and which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a > > > > version of Access (2013) I am not able to open his sample > > > > database. > > > > > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 20:27:08 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:27:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to make a textbox grow to accommodate text on Access form In-Reply-To: <5965781E.16679.F00E270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5964375E.24878.A1BEF42@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5965781E.16679.F00E270@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Ah, thanks. I see that now. Thanks, this will probably help out a lot Stuart! On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Hi Bill. > > If you open the form in AutoSizetextBox and scroll through the records, > you will see the > textbox change width and height to suit each record. > > It is triggered by the call to fAutoSizeTextBoxM in the On_Current event. > > To use it when displaying an alert, just set the alert text in the textbox > and call the function to > resize the texbox as appropriate. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 20:39, Bill Benson wrote: > > > Stuart, if the purpose of the example is to allow me to type lots into > > the bottom textbox on frmCangrow and the textbox and its section will > > grow... well that is not occurring. The scrollbar being present means > > I can type more into the textbox than just the visible region, but > > that is not helping me display an alert within a taller textbox and > > showing it on a taller dialog depending on the size of the alert > > message I want to display. > > > > What am I doing amiss? > > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Stuart McLachlan > > wrote: > > > > > I've done the same with a slightly later version of the same concept > > > from him. > > > > > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/CanGrowVer3.zip > > > > > > > > > On 11 Jul 2017 at 12:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > > > > > I just downloaded Lebans' AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.mdb converted it > > > > to a .accdb, zipped it and uploaded it to > > > > http://www.camcopng.com/download/AutoSizeTextBoxVer3.zip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That should do it for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > On 10 Jul 2017 at 21:34, Bill Benson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even having to leverage a report is kinda stupid, > > > > > but looking around on the internet I have not found anything > > > > > that seems to flex controls except some databases created by > > > > > Steve Lebans and which I downloaded but alas, with too recent a > > > > > version of Access (2013) I am not able to open his sample > > > > > database. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for suggestions that make this happen! > > > > > -- > > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jul 12 04:33:09 2017 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:33:09 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] From AWA to MVC in 20 minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all Accessusergroups.org presents some video sessions from time to time. This upcoming, by George Young, caught my attention because Access Web Apps will be killed: From AWA to MVC in 20 minutes https://accessusergroups.org/access-web-apps/event/access-web-apps-2017-07-18/ Like many of you, I have done some MVC stuff, but nothing has taken 20 minutes for me, rather hours. Nevertheless, the MVC route is certainly a solid road to follow. The time for the presentation is where I expect to be in deep sleep, so if anyone follows, it would be nice if you would post a brief summary. /gustav From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 16 11:14:59 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:14:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s Message-ID: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/19-amazing-retro-computer-ads-from-the- late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531 &bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896 http://tinyurl.com/y9d4cjqc I had a Toshiba T3200 orange monochrome screen laptop. Hot stuff! Also a Compaq 386 box. R From bensonforums at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 13:23:39 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s In-Reply-To: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> References: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: OMG when was the last time you heard (or read) the term "IBM Compatible"...? I read one of those ads and my memory did a flip. I think we really need things from the past to remind us we even have memories any more, too much has seemed to be replaced with the "new". On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/19-amazing-retro- > computer-ads-from-the- > late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531 > computer-ads-from-the > -late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896> > &bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896 > > > > http://tinyurl.com/y9d4cjqc > > > > I had a Toshiba T3200 orange monochrome screen laptop. Hot stuff! Also a > Compaq 386 box. > > > > R > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 16 13:46:45 2017 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s In-Reply-To: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> References: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <378063532.321910851.1500230805494.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Bought my daughters virtually every adventure game, from the 1990 on...and then they proceeded to see how fast they could solve the game. I still have the originals and even the packaging of about 40 to 50 such games. Most good games now are online games but just too time consuming. Still have the Commodore 64, the tape drive, the 1541 floppy drive, all the cables, dongles and probably a hundred 180/360K floppies of every app available at the time....as well as many magazines and books on how to code the 6502/6510 CPU. I am planning on selling it all soon...probably this winter to some collectors. Not sure how to proceed, EBay and/or a host of online selling sites or even through the local auctions. Also still have hundreds of 3.5 disks... Jim ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Off Topic" , "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:14:59 AM Subject: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/19-amazing-retro-computer-ads-from-the- late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531 &bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896 ? http://tinyurl.com/y9d4cjqc ? I had a Toshiba T3200 orange monochrome screen laptop. ?Hot stuff! ?Also a Compaq 386 box. ? R ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz Sun Jul 16 15:12:06 2017 From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:12:06 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s In-Reply-To: References: <003301d2fe4e$ac7ad140$057073c0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: I agree, Bill. The amazing thing to me is to realise what a short time ago this was! Regards Steve ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bill Benson" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: 17/07/2017 6:23:39 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] We're obsessed with these 19 amazing retro computer ads from the late 1980s >OMG when was the last time you heard (or read) the term "IBM >Compatible"...? I read one of those ads and my memory did a flip. > >I think we really need things from the past to remind us we even have >memories any more, too much has seemed to be replaced with the "new". > >On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Rocky Smolin >wrote: > >>http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/19-amazing-retro- >>computer-ads-from-the- >>late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531 >>>computer-ads-from-the >>-late-1980s/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896> >>&bhid=22241133460340104310638886868896 >> >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/y9d4cjqc >> >> >> >>I had a Toshiba T3200 orange monochrome screen laptop. Hot stuff! >>Also a >>Compaq 386 box. >> >> >> >>R >> >> From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 13:12:25 2017 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:12:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form Behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a form in access 2010 that is unbound and has no open event code but is running a query when I open the form. The only place that even refers to a query is in the CLOSE event, where it resets a saved query's SQL. Can anyone explain what's going on here? Charlotte Foust 916-206-4336 From charlotte.foust at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 13:22:56 2017 From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:22:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Weird Form Behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, as usual, I found the reason immediately I sent the message. I had a hidden tab page with a query bound to it as a subform. Removed the source object and fixed the problem. DUH! Charlotte Foust 916-206-4336 On Jul 17, 2017 11:12 AM, "Charlotte Foust" wrote: > I have a form in access 2010 that is unbound and has no open event code > but is running a query when I open the form. > > The only place that even refers to a query is in the CLOSE event, where it > resets a saved query's SQL. Can anyone explain what's going on here? > > Charlotte Foust > 916-206-4336 <(916)%20206-4336> > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 22 09:39:09 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:39:09 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure Message-ID: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> Dear List(s): Per advice from MS on W10 (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)) I decided to do the system image and system repair disk. (Why it says Windows 7 when I am running Windows 10 is another mystery). But it seems like having a system image file on an external HD or DVD would be a good thing in case of a catastrophic failure of the SSD - my primary C drive. Creating the repair disk went fine, but I got a message from Image: The Backup Failed. There is not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy.etc. (0x80780119) I checked my backup drive - nope - nearly a TB available. So I went to the internets and found this: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/fix-the-0x80780119-error -when-creating-a-system-image-in-windows-7-and-8/ which also shows a suitable for framing picture of my error message. There follows an explanation that is such a rabbit hole that, in spite of my best intentions to create a system image) I'm inclined to just keep using Norton Ghost - which has been very effective and reliable for many years, instead of trying to figure out how to repartition my SSD. I'm trying to create a system image of the C drive. My Disk 1 (disk 0 is the old rotator which I use for data storage, disk 1 is the SSD) partitions are 1) System Reserved 100MB 14% free, 2) Recovery Partition 449MB 100% free, and C: 223BG NTFD 34% free. Any advice on how to proceed here or an alternate backup system that would be SIMPLE (legitimate advice includes walk away from the computer and take a nice long bike ride down by the ocean)? r From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jul 22 12:24:04 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:24:04 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I have a 64bit win-10 Pro system that was updated from 2K to XP to 7 ultimate to the win-10 And have given up on the Microsoft built-in to windows backup facilities - Basically File-History will NOT backup files with long full-names, and I get System Image working to do backups on a monthly basis - and after a couple of backups it stops working again. There is the additional consideration that the backup processes REQUIRE the backup destination to be accessible at all times so that any crypto-malware can make them inaccessible. I now use Todo for monthly backup images and Paragon for full sets of the OS partition and daily incrementals to a removable drive and - as the user can access those backup files, they get copied to additional cycle of drives that get cycled - so the most recent full backup is also on a device that is not accessible to crypto=malware, and is also safe from a system failure - (had one that took out the OS drive, data drive, and the backup drive) I also run a script to backup the files from my data areas where the file has a date that is = or later than the last backup done to the selected backup drive And run spideroak to have the really-don't-want-2-lose files to their free 2GB of cloud space You could take up a crashplan sub for unlimited space for that sort of thing Considerations: Cloud upload speed Uploaded file management facility - so that's Onedrive out of consideration What are you thinking of recovering from Lost file - finger trouble - The incrementals - or maybe if it actually saved the file, File-History - just go to the store and pick the copy you want to edit Or Crashplan - as a replacement for the FileHistory - no sub - just use your own drives for the storage Or Crashplan with sub - and pick whichever of the backups you want to recover Or Spideroak Both Crashplan and Spideroak can be set to take frequent copies of whatever you change in the specified folders - and the encrypted backups can be downloaded to any PC you set to be allowed to access your store, and enter the decryption code into. Hard drive died - so you'll be replacing the drive - need a drive image - that's Todo or Paragon (etc.) PC died - new PC will probably mean newer motherboard and CPU - So need the have a facility to download the old OS to the new drive, then do a PE type update to that OS to have it work on the new hardware - (OS licence needed too) PC taken away - with the backup devices and all paperwork - You'll need to get the backup from offsite store That's where maybe Crashplan comes in - having allowed Crashplan the time needed to upload a backup fileset of your old system And set Crashplan to also upload the incrementals - of the backups, or just changes to your data and rely on the windows-update to update the old windows system backup to the current windows update status ( the office apps etc. too) For that - consider the upload speed - for the backups - OS - maybe a 100GB backup set for 200GB of Windows OS and maybe 8GB for each day's incrementals on that How often will you take - and backup a new full image - on the basis that the incrementals for a fortnight may be as much as a new full set And the restore will need all the incrementals from the last full set you download Then you'll have to bring your data and things like email stores up-to-date So- decide what you would need to recover from, and the time, money and effort you are willing to put into the backup and the recovery process But - whatever DO NOT RELY on MICROSOFT built-in to WINDOWS facilities JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:39 PM To: List ; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure Dear List(s): Per advice from MS on W10 (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)) I decided to do the system image and system repair disk. (Why it says Windows 7 when I am running Windows 10 is another mystery). But it seems like having a system image file on an external HD or DVD would be a good thing in case of a catastrophic failure of the SSD - my primary C drive. Creating the repair disk went fine, but I got a message from Image: The Backup Failed. There is not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy.etc. (0x80780119) I checked my backup drive - nope - nearly a TB available. So I went to the internets and found this: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/fix-the-0x80780119-error -when-creating-a-system-image-in-windows-7-and-8/ which also shows a suitable for framing picture of my error message. There follows an explanation that is such a rabbit hole that, in spite of my best intentions to create a system image) I'm inclined to just keep using Norton Ghost - which has been very effective and reliable for many years, instead of trying to figure out how to repartition my SSD. I'm trying to create a system image of the C drive. My Disk 1 (disk 0 is the old rotator which I use for data storage, disk 1 is the SSD) partitions are 1) System Reserved 100MB 14% free, 2) Recovery Partition 449MB 100% free, and C: 223BG NTFD 34% free. Any advice on how to proceed here or an alternate backup system that would be SIMPLE (legitimate advice includes walk away from the computer and take a nice long bike ride down by the ocean)? r -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 22 14:20:42 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:20:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Rocky, I have a 64bit win-10 Pro system that was updated from 2K to XP to 7 ultimate to the win-10 And have given up on the Microsoft built-in to windows backup facilities - Basically File-History will NOT backup files with long full-names, and I get System Image working to do backups on a monthly basis - and after a couple of backups it stops working again. There is the additional consideration that the backup processes REQUIRE the backup destination to be accessible at all times so that any crypto-malware can make them inaccessible. I now use Todo for monthly backup images and Paragon for full sets of the OS partition and daily incrementals to a removable drive and - as the user can access those backup files, they get copied to additional cycle of drives that get cycled - so the most recent full backup is also on a device that is not accessible to crypto=malware, and is also safe from a system failure - (had one that took out the OS drive, data drive, and the backup drive) I also run a script to backup the files from my data areas where the file has a date that is = or later than the last backup done to the selected backup drive And run spideroak to have the really-don't-want-2-lose files to their free 2GB of cloud space You could take up a crashplan sub for unlimited space for that sort of thing Considerations: Cloud upload speed Uploaded file management facility - so that's Onedrive out of consideration What are you thinking of recovering from Lost file - finger trouble - The incrementals - or maybe if it actually saved the file, File-History - just go to the store and pick the copy you want to edit Or Crashplan - as a replacement for the FileHistory - no sub - just use your own drives for the storage Or Crashplan with sub - and pick whichever of the backups you want to recover Or Spideroak Both Crashplan and Spideroak can be set to take frequent copies of whatever you change in the specified folders - and the encrypted backups can be downloaded to any PC you set to be allowed to access your store, and enter the decryption code into. Hard drive died - so you'll be replacing the drive - need a drive image - that's Todo or Paragon (etc.) PC died - new PC will probably mean newer motherboard and CPU - So need the have a facility to download the old OS to the new drive, then do a PE type update to that OS to have it work on the new hardware - (OS licence needed too) PC taken away - with the backup devices and all paperwork - You'll need to get the backup from offsite store That's where maybe Crashplan comes in - having allowed Crashplan the time needed to upload a backup fileset of your old system And set Crashplan to also upload the incrementals - of the backups, or just changes to your data and rely on the windows-update to update the old windows system backup to the current windows update status ( the office apps etc. too) For that - consider the upload speed - for the backups - OS - maybe a 100GB backup set for 200GB of Windows OS and maybe 8GB for each day's incrementals on that How often will you take - and backup a new full image - on the basis that the incrementals for a fortnight may be as much as a new full set And the restore will need all the incrementals from the last full set you download Then you'll have to bring your data and things like email stores up-to-date So- decide what you would need to recover from, and the time, money and effort you are willing to put into the backup and the recovery process But - whatever DO NOT RELY on MICROSOFT built-in to WINDOWS facilities JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:39 PM To: List ; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure Dear List(s): Per advice from MS on W10 (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)) I decided to do the system image and system repair disk. (Why it says Windows 7 when I am running Windows 10 is another mystery). But it seems like having a system image file on an external HD or DVD would be a good thing in case of a catastrophic failure of the SSD - my primary C drive. Creating the repair disk went fine, but I got a message from Image: The Backup Failed. There is not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy.etc. (0x80780119) I checked my backup drive - nope - nearly a TB available. So I went to the internets and found this: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/fix-the-0x80780119-error -when-creating-a-system-image-in-windows-7-and-8/ which also shows a suitable for framing picture of my error message. There follows an explanation that is such a rabbit hole that, in spite of my best intentions to create a system image) I'm inclined to just keep using Norton Ghost - which has been very effective and reliable for many years, instead of trying to figure out how to repartition my SSD. I'm trying to create a system image of the C drive. My Disk 1 (disk 0 is the old rotator which I use for data storage, disk 1 is the SSD) partitions are 1) System Reserved 100MB 14% free, 2) Recovery Partition 449MB 100% free, and C: 223BG NTFD 34% free. Any advice on how to proceed here or an alternate backup system that would be SIMPLE (legitimate advice includes walk away from the computer and take a nice long bike ride down by the ocean)? r -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jul 22 15:16:33 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 21:16:33 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 22 16:28:09 2017 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <1560567895.334455069.1500758889707.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Hi Rocky: You have received a lot of good advice already and this wrinkle may be just more commentary: 1. In order to completely backup a drive you can not be running on the drive, regardless of whether shadow copy is running. 2. Create a stand-alone bootable CD or USB. 3. Boot your computer from one of these above devices and then create a backup of all files to a potable drive of sufficient capacity. Observations: I think that in but a few cases, an image backup will not work...like with any serious hardware failures. In such an event it is probably better to reinstall the OS separately (If you have your own server, it can be setup so you can easily PXE (pixie) boot the OS, from the server, to the downed station) and then import the data back. I personally just create a boot Linux USB (as there is no licencing issues, a version that has a LIVE mode (most do) and then just use the the rsync command as it will backup files/directories, hundreds of characters long, can be restarted at any time with no data loss or duplication, will preserve permissions, ownership, timestamp, archive-mode, resultant file copies are readable on any OS from which the files were backed up and can be bulk restored, in the reverse order using the rsync command. One note: Bitcoin wallets have files that are thousands of characters long so a particular procedure must be performed before any backup can be commenced or wallet will be lost. Aside: I have recently backed up two large drives for a friend(graphic designer) and as luck would have it, both drives subsequently failed about a week later because the power supply failed. The old drives were replaced with a new SSD boot drive and large capacity (4TB) standard data drive. All data, up to a week previous was completely restorable. The friend also had a PXE service setup on his Windows server and had the desktop completely up an running over-night. (There was 2 TB of data to move so the restore process took a bit of time) Check out the following native Windows rsync application. (iOS, Linux and Windows via the BASH shell versions are free): https://acrosync.com/home.html I think the program costs about $25. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:20:42 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:24 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Rocky, I have a 64bit win-10 Pro system that was updated from 2K to XP to 7 ultimate to the win-10 And have given up on the Microsoft built-in to windows backup facilities - Basically File-History will NOT backup files with long full-names, and I get System Image working to do backups on a monthly basis - and after a couple of backups it stops working again. There is the additional consideration that the backup processes REQUIRE the backup destination to be accessible at all times so that any crypto-malware can make them inaccessible. I now use Todo for monthly backup images and Paragon for full sets of the OS partition and daily incrementals to a removable drive and - as the user can access those backup files, they get copied to additional cycle of drives that get cycled - so the most recent full backup is also on a device that is not accessible to crypto=malware, and is also safe from a system failure - (had one that took out the OS drive, data drive, and the backup drive) I also run a script to backup the files from my data areas where the file has a date that is = or later than the last backup done to the selected backup drive And run spideroak to have the really-don't-want-2-lose files to their free 2GB of cloud space You could take up a crashplan sub for unlimited space for that sort of thing Considerations: Cloud upload speed Uploaded file management facility - so that's Onedrive out of consideration What are you thinking of recovering from Lost file - finger trouble - The incrementals - or maybe if it actually saved the file, File-History - just go to the store and pick the copy you want to edit Or Crashplan - as a replacement for the FileHistory - no sub - just use your own drives for the storage Or Crashplan with sub - and pick whichever of the backups you want to recover Or Spideroak Both Crashplan and Spideroak can be set to take frequent copies of whatever you change in the specified folders - and the encrypted backups can be downloaded to any PC you set to be allowed to access your store, and enter the decryption code into. Hard drive died - so you'll be replacing the drive - need a drive image - that's Todo or Paragon (etc.) PC died - new PC will probably mean newer motherboard and CPU - So need the have a facility to download the old OS to the new drive, then do a PE type update to that OS to have it work on the new hardware - (OS licence needed too) PC taken away - with the backup devices and all paperwork - You'll need to get the backup from offsite store That's where maybe Crashplan comes in - having allowed Crashplan the time needed to upload a backup fileset of your old system And set Crashplan to also upload the incrementals - of the backups, or just changes to your data and rely on the windows-update to update the old windows system backup to the current windows update status ( the office apps etc. too) For that - consider the upload speed - for the backups - OS - maybe a 100GB backup set for 200GB of Windows OS and maybe 8GB for each day's incrementals on that How often will you take - and backup a new full image - on the basis that the incrementals for a fortnight may be as much as a new full set And the restore will need all the incrementals from the last full set you download Then you'll have to bring your data and things like email stores up-to-date So- decide what you would need to recover from, and the time, money and effort you are willing to put into the backup and the recovery process But - whatever DO NOT RELY on MICROSOFT built-in to WINDOWS facilities JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:39 PM To: List ; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure Dear List(s): Per advice from MS on W10 (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)) I decided to do the system image and system repair disk. (Why it says Windows 7 when I am running Windows 10 is another mystery). But it seems like having a system image file on an external HD or DVD would be a good thing in case of a catastrophic failure of the SSD - my primary C drive. Creating the repair disk went fine, but I got a message from Image: The Backup Failed. There is not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy.etc. (0x80780119) I checked my backup drive - nope - nearly a TB available. So I went to the internets and found this: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/fix-the-0x80780119-error -when-creating-a-system-image-in-windows-7-and-8/ which also shows a suitable for framing picture of my error message. There follows an explanation that is such a rabbit hole that, in spite of my best intentions to create a system image) I'm inclined to just keep using Norton Ghost - which has been very effective and reliable for many years, instead of trying to figure out how to repartition my SSD. I'm trying to create a system image of the C drive. My Disk 1 (disk 0 is the old rotator which I use for data storage, disk 1 is the SSD) partitions are 1) System Reserved 100MB 14% free, 2) Recovery Partition 449MB 100% free, and C: 223BG NTFD 34% free. Any advice on how to proceed here or an alternate backup system that would be SIMPLE (legitimate advice includes walk away from the computer and take a nice long bike ride down by the ocean)? r -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 22 17:38:21 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:38:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> JB: Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. Until the house burns down. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 22 17:51:30 2017 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 16:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups and save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very inexpensive...I am assuming your requirements are less than that size. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure JB: Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. Until the house burns down. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 22 20:08:11 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:08:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <002201d30350$277a9b90$766fd2b0$@bchacc.com> I just got a 1TB WD Passport from Frys for $40. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups and save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very inexpensive...I am assuming your requirements are less than that size. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure JB: Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. Until the house burns down. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 23 23:36:05 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 21:36:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access files by date Message-ID: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> Dear List: Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a director's cut. What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped together. So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between RR00020 and RR00030. I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir command to do that. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 24 03:09:48 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:09:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a simple function: Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFName As String Dim fdate As Date Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" rs.AddNew rs!FileName = strFilename rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFilename = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set re = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount End Function Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the data, manually or with VBA. On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > director's cut. > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding many) > is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then display by > date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time stamp, the > pictures of like places and times are now grouped together. > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a bit > of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do a > final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any in a > different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between RR00020 > and RR00030. > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from the > web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all be > done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name order, > not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir command to do > that. > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 24 03:16:26 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:16:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com>, <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5975ACDA.21641.146CCB7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Forgot to mention. When you have done all the name manipulation, you can step through the table again in VBA and update the files with: Name FileName As NewName On 24 Jul 2017 at 18:09, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever > other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a > simple function: > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > Dim strFName As String > Dim fdate As Date > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim lngCount As Long > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") > strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") > While strFilename > "" > rs.AddNew > rs!FileName = strFilename > rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & > strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFilename = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set re = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > End Function > > Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the > data, manually or with VBA. > > On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > > director's cut. > > > > > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding > > many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then > > display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time > > stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped > > together. > > > > > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a > > bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do > > a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any > > in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between > > RR00020 and RR00030. > > > > > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from > > the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all > > be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name > > order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir > > command to do that. > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 24 03:20:14 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:20:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com>, <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5975ADBE.27174.14A489A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That was air code. Quite a few typos and simpel erros there :( This one should run: Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFileName As String Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.path & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" rs.AddNew rs!FileName = strFilename rs!Filedate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFilename = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set re = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount End Function On 24 Jul 2017 at 18:09, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever > other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a > simple function: > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > Dim strFName As String > Dim fdate As Date > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim lngCount As Long > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") > strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") > While strFilename > "" > rs.AddNew > rs!FileName = strFilename > rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & > strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFilename = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set re = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > End Function > > Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the > data, manually or with VBA. > > On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > > director's cut. > > > > > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding > > many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then > > display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time > > stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped > > together. > > > > > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a > > bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do > > a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any > > in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between > > RR00020 and RR00030. > > > > > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from > > the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all > > be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name > > order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir > > command to do that. > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 08:51:48 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 06:51:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <5975ADBE.27174.14A489A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com>, <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5975ADBE.27174.14A489A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <013001d30483$ff0cc450$fd264cf0$@bchacc.com> Perfecto, mi amigo. Thank you. Here's my finished function to load the file table and rename the files on chronological order in case it's of value to someone else. It could be generalized by removing the referenced to "Photos", and strFileSpec to "*.*" In the name statement you'd have to get the file extension of the original file instead of just adding ".jpg". And passing strFolder and strFilespec to the function as arguments would have been a nice touch. But for the moment this is a one-off for me. Best, Rocky Option Compare Database Option Explicit Dim strFolder As String Dim strFileSpec As String Dim strFileName As String Private Sub Command0_Click() strFolder = "C:\temp\" strFileSpec = "*.*" MsgBox GetPhotos & " And Done." End Sub Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFileName As String Dim strNewName As String Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Dim lngFileNumber As Long CurrentDb.Execute "Delete * FROM tblPhotos" ' Get files into table Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos") MsgBox strFolder & strFileSpec strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) While strFileName <> "" rs.AddNew rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFileName = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set rs = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount ' Rename files lngFileNumber = 0 Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos ORDER BY fldPhotosFileDate") Do While rs.EOF = False lngFileNumber = lngFileNumber + 10 strNewName = strFolder & "RR" & Right("0000" & Trim(Str(lngFileNumber)), 4) & ".jpg" Name strFolder & rs!fldPhotosFileName As strNewName rs.MoveNext Loop End Function -----Original Message----- From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:20 AM To: 'Off Topic'; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [AccessD] Access files by date That was air code. Quite a few typos and simpel erros there :( This one should run: Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFileName As String Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.path & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" rs.AddNew rs!FileName = strFilename rs!Filedate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFilename = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set re = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount End Function On 24 Jul 2017 at 18:09, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever > other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a > simple function: > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > Dim strFName As String > Dim fdate As Date > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim lngCount As Long > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") > strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > > "" > rs.AddNew > rs!FileName = strFilename > rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & > strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFilename = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set re = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > End Function > > Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the > data, manually or with VBA. > > On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > > director's cut. > > > > > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding > > many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then > > display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time > > stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped > > together. > > > > > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a > > bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do > > a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any > > in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between > > RR00020 and RR00030. > > > > > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from > > the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all > > be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name > > order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir > > command to do that. > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Mon Jul 24 09:06:29 2017 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:06:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups and save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very inexpensive...I am assuming your requirements are less than that size. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure JB: Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. Until the house burns down. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 09:56:19 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:56:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups and save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very inexpensive...I am assuming your requirements are less than that size. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "rockysmolin" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure JB: Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. Until the house burns down. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I'm in much the same situation Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I developed for those clients. Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a 'personal' licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost Note - looking for , not yet found! Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some reason is not happy (with me ?) Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, restore data from cloud. I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was created on - Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the copy, report network device error. Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller company all deny the problem exists. That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 bit win 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the drive. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for $2 a month. Seems reasonable. So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. R -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fahooper at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 10:13:30 2017 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:13:30 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: I've been using BackBlaze too, for about a year with 1.5TB backed up. I use Resilio Sync (free version) to sync my wife's laptop to my HD, which is included in the backup. My only difficulty was that the initial backup took six weeks, while I maintained another backup. When I did a clean reinstall BB's program could be told that folders were already backed up, so the re sync took less than a day. Only a few recoveries needed so far, but I can get an earlier version of a file in less than an hour, generally 30 minutes. I like their willingness to share technical information too. On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:57 AM Rocky Smolin wrote: > Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my > system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month > (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of > terra-bytes tucked away there. > > https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html > > > Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:52 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups and > save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very inexpensive...I am > assuming your requirements are less than that size. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rockysmolin" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > JB: > > Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of every > photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. > Until the house burns down. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > James Button via AccessD > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Cc: James Button > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > I'm in much the same situation > Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I > developed for those clients. > > Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a > 'personal' > licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. > > 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK > > I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - > replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual cost > Note - looking for , not yet found! > > Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his PC, > and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using my 1TB of > Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. > He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some > reason is not happy (with me ?) > > Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive creation > wants to access windows install media - and I did the last upgrade online - > so no media = no recovery drive created. > > Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, > restore data from cloud. > I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been caught > several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when the media is > OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read the old versions > O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. > > > And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all > partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was > created on - > Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, just > when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place during the > copy, report network device error. > Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage > (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC labeller > company all deny the problem exists. > That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & 64 > bit win > 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the cloud > device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . > I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions in > one of > the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 bit 7 > Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different orders on the > drive. > > > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file monthly. So > I feel pretty secure about that. > > Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty > paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. > > I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well as > a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. 100GB for > $2 a month. Seems reasonable. > > So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the W10 > I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my client > files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. > > I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by that > pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. > > R > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 10:27:50 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 08:27:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <016401d30491$6973c480$3c5b4d80$@bchacc.com> Can you do a system image to you can recreate your entire HD on a new HD if your current one fails? R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I've been using BackBlaze too, for about a year with 1.5TB backed up. I use Resilio Sync (free version) to sync my wife's laptop to my HD, which is included in the backup. My only difficulty was that the initial backup took six weeks, while I maintained another backup. When I did a clean reinstall BB's program could be told that folders were already backed up, so the re sync took less than a day. Only a few recoveries needed so far, but I can get an earlier version of a file in less than an hour, generally 30 minutes. I like their willingness to share technical information too. On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:57 AM Rocky Smolin wrote: > Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously > on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For > $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I > have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. > > https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html > > > Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:52 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > You can go so far as to create multiple portable hard drive backups > and save it with some friends. Two TB drives are now very > inexpensive...I am assuming your requirements are less than that size. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rockysmolin" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:38:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > JB: > > Re: photos - that's why I wanted an offsite backup. Two copies of > every photo (or client file for that matter) on EHDs is a good disaster plan. > Until the house burns down. > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of James Button via AccessD > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:17 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Cc: James Button > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > I'm in much the same situation > Just 20 years on my own, almost retired - but still supporting what I > developed for those clients. > > Assuming you have a MS id for your w10 login, you may well have a > 'personal' > licence for 10 rather than a specific PC licence. > > 100GB for ?24 a year seems OK > > I'd be considering the storage costs against that of a 2TB drive - > replaced every 2 years so maybe looking for 500GB for that annual > cost Note - looking for , not yet found! > > Someone I know had all the photos from years of his camera work on his > PC, and despite reminders about backup - including the offer of using > my 1TB of Onedrive, hadn't bothered with a backup. > He now has a new PC, and very few of those photo's - and .. for some > reason is not happy (with me ?) > > Re the POP - another annoyance I came across - the recovery drive > creation wants to access windows install media - and I did the last > upgrade online - so no media = no recovery drive created. > > Your recovery plan - As you say get new PC, get OS get Office & Apps, > restore data from cloud. > I would recommend backup sets from multiple programs - I've been > caught several times by unreadable backups - especially annoying when > the media is OK, but the new version of the App or OS will not read > the old versions O/P, and the old version of whatever cannot be installed. > > > And for others reading this - I have one backup of the OS drive (all > partitions) that will not copy from the personal cloud drive it was > created on - > Win-7 and 10 will 'open' the container set and extract all the files, > just when I try to copy the set of 4GB backup files at a set place > during the copy, report network device error. > Go figure - because the personal cloud is OK, MS and the net storage > (cloud) marketer and the TODO backup facility company, and the PC > labeller company all deny the problem exists. > That is a cluster of several Lenovo systems running XP, and both 32 & > 64 bit win > 7 & 10 attached to a Seagate personal cloud were backed-up to the > cloud device and then the backups were (to be) archived off onto another device . > I suspect the problem is associated with the setup of the partitions > in one of the source Lenovo systems that was 32 bit XP, then XP+ 32 > bit 7 Unix & windows report the partitions as being in different > orders on the drive. > > > > JimB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure > > Good advice re: Microsoft. I've got everything in a Ghost file > monthly. So I feel pretty secure about that. > > Being a lone ranger developer for 30 years I've always been pretty > paranoid about backups. Less so now that I'm semi-retired. > > I have a Google drive and I drop every file I work with there, as well > as a local EHD. And all my photos are up there on the Google Drive. > 100GB for > $2 a month. Seems reasonable. > > So if the drive died, I assume that MS would allow me to download the > W10 I registered with them. I reload Office, some other apps. Get my > client files from the Ghost or cloud and I'm back in business. > > I'm trying not to over think this thing. But just got drawn off by > that pop up that asked me if I wanted a repair drive and an image. > > R > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 24 10:30:30 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:30:30 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 11:02:12 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 09:02:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 24 11:50:58 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:50:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Hi, Re backup volume - I'm considering the monthy backup and then the months daily incrementals. Lots of development and maintenance facilities on the system. However as indicated before - those going to use cloud backup need to consider the restore time and effort needed to get back their system? Apps? And data from the backups they will have posted to the cloud For me - I'd probably not need to have the incrementals from the system image - Just the full backup from major app changes (maybe 3 a year) and the incrementals from the data. MS can reupdate the OS with their latest image, retaining the settings from my restored old backup. Connection being online all the time is a matter of what the cloud backup's processing requires So the online all the time consideration would be a matter of how the facility you (or I ) get actually work My use of Spideroak backup is for my personal stuff needed for resetup of my environment. I do not run the service from system startup, just when I will be updating those files, and then I quit the facility It will run catch-up on files updated while it was not running. Also - the ongoing backup is of the changed blocks of the files - so effectively an incremental changes set. and not the complete file in each set. Note - Onedrive with a 50Mb link runs about 3GB of upload a day seems to be MS throttling, at their end, or maybe the app they installed on my PC, and is not reliable - manual drag-n-drop mode Sync is a is even more of a pain So no use for automating an upload of the monthly backup - let alone the daily incrementals JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 12:30:16 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:30:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <017e01d304a2$840a0aa0$8c1e1fe0$@bchacc.com> I guess for me having the system image in the cloud is not as important as having it on an EHD. I'm less concerned about theft or virus attack than having a way to image the drive back to a new HD (or SSD in this care) in case the drive fails. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Hi, Re backup volume - I'm considering the monthy backup and then the months daily incrementals. Lots of development and maintenance facilities on the system. However as indicated before - those going to use cloud backup need to consider the restore time and effort needed to get back their system? Apps? And data from the backups they will have posted to the cloud For me - I'd probably not need to have the incrementals from the system image - Just the full backup from major app changes (maybe 3 a year) and the incrementals from the data. MS can reupdate the OS with their latest image, retaining the settings from my restored old backup. Connection being online all the time is a matter of what the cloud backup's processing requires So the online all the time consideration would be a matter of how the facility you (or I ) get actually work My use of Spideroak backup is for my personal stuff needed for resetup of my environment. I do not run the service from system startup, just when I will be updating those files, and then I quit the facility It will run catch-up on files updated while it was not running. Also - the ongoing backup is of the changed blocks of the files - so effectively an incremental changes set. and not the complete file in each set. Note - Onedrive with a 50Mb link runs about 3GB of upload a day seems to be MS throttling, at their end, or maybe the app they installed on my PC, and is not reliable - manual drag-n-drop mode Sync is a is even more of a pain So no use for automating an upload of the monthly backup - let alone the daily incrementals JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 12:50:20 2017 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 13:50:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] AMD Rizen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has anyone built one yet? This looks like an awesome system for VMs. Or SQL server. Jwcolby From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 24 13:33:46 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 19:33:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <017e01d304a2$840a0aa0$8c1e1fe0$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> <017e01d304a2$840a0aa0$8c1e1fe0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: So you are not going to consider the probability that the PC system - motherboard, or PSU, or memory/CPU could have a problem (like one of mine did) - And when you have the backup drive connected to take a new backup, Fail taking out the backup drive, the OS drive and the system That meaning you'll have to get a new PC - and recover your data from ?? Restoring the system image to the new system's hard drive would mean that you would either Have the old OS setup for the old hardware not working because it will be on the new system OR have split the new hard drive into multiple partitions to restore the old image to a 'data' partition Note - I am currently using the hard drive from an old system - in a new system having moved the hard drive and then fixed the OS to use the new motherboard etc. If your concern is a failed hard drive - there is RAID - mirror the drive - but remember a bad file will ba bad on both copies - that only deals with a drive failure. Alternatively there is a periodic imaging of the OS drive to a backup one - And - as I do, have daily (or more frequent - even maybe use crashguard free options to do it continuously) backup data to attached drive. As stated before - It's up to you to consider the cost and effort of backup and restoration for whatever catastrophe you would be recovering from And the basic catastrophes are: Windows OS failing. System failure requiring a new PC. That failure also making all the built-in and attached hardware unusable. Malware making all the files it can get at unusable. All the stuff at the PC location being lost. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I guess for me having the system image in the cloud is not as important as having it on an EHD. I'm less concerned about theft or virus attack than having a way to image the drive back to a new HD (or SSD in this care) in case the drive fails. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Hi, Re backup volume - I'm considering the monthy backup and then the months daily incrementals. Lots of development and maintenance facilities on the system. However as indicated before - those going to use cloud backup need to consider the restore time and effort needed to get back their system? Apps? And data from the backups they will have posted to the cloud For me - I'd probably not need to have the incrementals from the system image - Just the full backup from major app changes (maybe 3 a year) and the incrementals from the data. MS can reupdate the OS with their latest image, retaining the settings from my restored old backup. Connection being online all the time is a matter of what the cloud backup's processing requires So the online all the time consideration would be a matter of how the facility you (or I ) get actually work My use of Spideroak backup is for my personal stuff needed for resetup of my environment. I do not run the service from system startup, just when I will be updating those files, and then I quit the facility It will run catch-up on files updated while it was not running. Also - the ongoing backup is of the changed blocks of the files - so effectively an incremental changes set. and not the complete file in each set. Note - Onedrive with a 50Mb link runs about 3GB of upload a day seems to be MS throttling, at their end, or maybe the app they installed on my PC, and is not reliable - manual drag-n-drop mode Sync is a is even more of a pain So no use for automating an upload of the monthly backup - let alone the daily incrementals JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 24 14:04:08 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 22:04:08 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= Message-ID: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs":? https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ ? ? FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month ?and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. Thank you. -- Shamil From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 24 14:09:18 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:09:18 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> <017e01d304a2$840a0aa0$8c1e1fe0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <019e01d304b0$5a00bf70$0e023e50$@bchacc.com> My thought is to have the system image or complete backup on an external hard drive. If I'm feeling paranoid, I'll disconnect it between backups. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure So you are not going to consider the probability that the PC system - motherboard, or PSU, or memory/CPU could have a problem (like one of mine did) - And when you have the backup drive connected to take a new backup, Fail taking out the backup drive, the OS drive and the system That meaning you'll have to get a new PC - and recover your data from ?? Restoring the system image to the new system's hard drive would mean that you would either Have the old OS setup for the old hardware not working because it will be on the new system OR have split the new hard drive into multiple partitions to restore the old image to a 'data' partition Note - I am currently using the hard drive from an old system - in a new system having moved the hard drive and then fixed the OS to use the new motherboard etc. If your concern is a failed hard drive - there is RAID - mirror the drive - but remember a bad file will ba bad on both copies - that only deals with a drive failure. Alternatively there is a periodic imaging of the OS drive to a backup one - And - as I do, have daily (or more frequent - even maybe use crashguard free options to do it continuously) backup data to attached drive. As stated before - It's up to you to consider the cost and effort of backup and restoration for whatever catastrophe you would be recovering from And the basic catastrophes are: Windows OS failing. System failure requiring a new PC. That failure also making all the built-in and attached hardware unusable. Malware making all the files it can get at unusable. All the stuff at the PC location being lost. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I guess for me having the system image in the cloud is not as important as having it on an EHD. I'm less concerned about theft or virus attack than having a way to image the drive back to a new HD (or SSD in this care) in case the drive fails. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Hi, Re backup volume - I'm considering the monthy backup and then the months daily incrementals. Lots of development and maintenance facilities on the system. However as indicated before - those going to use cloud backup need to consider the restore time and effort needed to get back their system? Apps? And data from the backups they will have posted to the cloud For me - I'd probably not need to have the incrementals from the system image - Just the full backup from major app changes (maybe 3 a year) and the incrementals from the data. MS can reupdate the OS with their latest image, retaining the settings from my restored old backup. Connection being online all the time is a matter of what the cloud backup's processing requires So the online all the time consideration would be a matter of how the facility you (or I ) get actually work My use of Spideroak backup is for my personal stuff needed for resetup of my environment. I do not run the service from system startup, just when I will be updating those files, and then I quit the facility It will run catch-up on files updated while it was not running. Also - the ongoing backup is of the changed blocks of the files - so effectively an incremental changes set. and not the complete file in each set. Note - Onedrive with a 50Mb link runs about 3GB of upload a day seems to be MS throttling, at their end, or maybe the app they installed on my PC, and is not reliable - manual drag-n-drop mode Sync is a is even more of a pain So no use for automating an upload of the monthly backup - let alone the daily incrementals JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 14:36:56 2017 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:36:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, >From what I can see, Alpha Anywhere is a far superior alternative, with none of the restrictions that apply to PowerApps. That restriction you mentioned about PowerApps sharing is a deal-breaker, IMO. Also, an amazing feature of AA is its ability to run in Disconnected Mode: this means that you can run your app on your device even without connecting to the central database, and then synchronize once you can connect. For example, you could be "in the field" gathering data, then visit a Starbucks and connect from there, synchronize and move on. Arthur On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft. > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > ? > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use > templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows > Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android > phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows > Phone using similar app. > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed > from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public > AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription > worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and > certification procedure. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Jul 24 14:39:20 2017 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:39:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's focus seems to be for the future. I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 03:04 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi All -- What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ ? FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 24 14:44:14 2017 From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 20:44:14 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] System Image Failure In-Reply-To: <019e01d304b0$5a00bf70$0e023e50$@bchacc.com> References: <078901d302f8$478f8790$d6ae96b0$@bchacc.com> <07c301d3031f$9c4e6810$d4eb3830$@bchacc.com> <07dc01d3033b$395434d0$abfc9e70$@bchacc.com> <1458237431.334545922.1500763890221.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <014a01d3048d$024fa430$06eeec90$@bchacc.com> <016b01d30496$36ba7070$a42f5150$@bchacc.com> <017e01d304a2$840a0aa0$8c1e1fe0$@bchacc.com> <019e01d304b0$5a00bf70$0e023e50$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: 3 in a cycle would be better At least have 2 so you have a data recovery possibility if the system fails and takes out the system and backup drives - (as happened to me). Do drive (image) or OS partition image backups to the drive ( set it as bootable so you can just point the BIOS at the USB port for the boot device.) (Or at least include the OS on that drive as a selection option in your boot options.) Then setup a facility or .bat script to take copies of whatever in the data folders you have updated since the last time the script backup was taken to that drive. My script has a file with the last run timestamp on the backup drive, and The script creates a folder with the run date in its name so the backups of files changed since the date get written to a new folder every time the script gets run. I'm also considering (for my future use) the cost of 2 or 3 hard drives replaced every 2 years against the cost of an unlimited cloud store. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'James Button' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure My thought is to have the system image or complete backup on an external hard drive. If I'm feeling paranoid, I'll disconnect it between backups. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure So you are not going to consider the probability that the PC system - motherboard, or PSU, or memory/CPU could have a problem (like one of mine did) - And when you have the backup drive connected to take a new backup, Fail taking out the backup drive, the OS drive and the system That meaning you'll have to get a new PC - and recover your data from ?? Restoring the system image to the new system's hard drive would mean that you would either Have the old OS setup for the old hardware not working because it will be on the new system OR have split the new hard drive into multiple partitions to restore the old image to a 'data' partition Note - I am currently using the hard drive from an old system - in a new system having moved the hard drive and then fixed the OS to use the new motherboard etc. If your concern is a failed hard drive - there is RAID - mirror the drive - but remember a bad file will ba bad on both copies - that only deals with a drive failure. Alternatively there is a periodic imaging of the OS drive to a backup one - And - as I do, have daily (or more frequent - even maybe use crashguard free options to do it continuously) backup data to attached drive. As stated before - It's up to you to consider the cost and effort of backup and restoration for whatever catastrophe you would be recovering from And the basic catastrophes are: Windows OS failing. System failure requiring a new PC. That failure also making all the built-in and attached hardware unusable. Malware making all the files it can get at unusable. All the stuff at the PC location being lost. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:30 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure I guess for me having the system image in the cloud is not as important as having it on an EHD. I'm less concerned about theft or virus attack than having a way to image the drive back to a new HD (or SSD in this care) in case the drive fails. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Hi, Re backup volume - I'm considering the monthy backup and then the months daily incrementals. Lots of development and maintenance facilities on the system. However as indicated before - those going to use cloud backup need to consider the restore time and effort needed to get back their system? Apps? And data from the backups they will have posted to the cloud For me - I'd probably not need to have the incrementals from the system image - Just the full backup from major app changes (maybe 3 a year) and the incrementals from the data. MS can reupdate the OS with their latest image, retaining the settings from my restored old backup. Connection being online all the time is a matter of what the cloud backup's processing requires So the online all the time consideration would be a matter of how the facility you (or I ) get actually work My use of Spideroak backup is for my personal stuff needed for resetup of my environment. I do not run the service from system startup, just when I will be updating those files, and then I quit the facility It will run catch-up on files updated while it was not running. Also - the ongoing backup is of the changed blocks of the files - so effectively an incremental changes set. and not the complete file in each set. Note - Onedrive with a 50Mb link runs about 3GB of upload a day seems to be MS throttling, at their end, or maybe the app they installed on my PC, and is not reliable - manual drag-n-drop mode Sync is a is even more of a pain So no use for automating an upload of the monthly backup - let alone the daily incrementals JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:02 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Being semi-retired I don't have the volume of backup you have. So it doesn't need to be on line all the time. Monthly system image would do for me. For the daily stuff Google Drive is doing the job. So upload speed of a system image is not a concern - just start the monthly image and let it run. My Norton Ghost total backup of the C: drive is about 88GB. r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:31 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: James Button Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Backblaze - Crashplan - about the same cost for the unlimited 1 month free? trial) Spideroak for 2GB free Basic consideration - Do you need the PC to be online at all times for the backup to work Can you stop and start the facility manually and haver it 'catch-up' - or does it have to be running from system startup Encryption and facility to sync to other PC's - when they connect What happens if a folder is removed from the list of 'stuff' to be backed-up How is the backup to be managed And - Speed of the backup as well as effect on the system of 'sync' if there's a few large files to be backed-up. It's about time I reassessed the options for cloud backup of my system - I expect to be looking to include the folder where the OS partition backups are placed That will be - an average of maybe 12GB a day for the main working system during the busy weeks of the year. JimB -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure Unlimited? Sounds good. Trustworthy company? r -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Image Failure For general off-site data backups I use BackBlaze. Runs continuously on my system in background backing up *everything* I tell it to. For $5 a month (yes five) as a personal user I get unlimited storage. I have a couple of terra-bytes tucked away there. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jul 24 15:22:26 2017 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 20:22:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hi Shamil The not-so-easy distribution is a show stopper for us, as is the currently very limited features. As Jim, I just keep an eye on PowerApps. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: AccessD p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD Sendt: 24. juli 2017 21:04:08 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil Emne: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi All -- What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ ? FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. Thank you. -- Shamil From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jul 24 15:23:01 2017 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 20:23:01 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru>, Message-ID: But Arthur, how fancy Alpha may be, the yearly license costs have risen to a prohibitive level. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: AccessD p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 24. juli 2017 21:36:56 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Shamil, >From what I can see, Alpha Anywhere is a far superior alternative, with none of the restrictions that apply to PowerApps. That restriction you mentioned about PowerApps sharing is a deal-breaker, IMO. Also, an amazing feature of AA is its ability to run in Disconnected Mode: this means that you can run your app on your device even without connecting to the central database, and then synchronize once you can connect. For example, you could be "in the field" gathering data, then visit a Starbucks and connect from there, synchronize and move on. Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 15:36:21 2017 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:36:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001001d304bc$834a3e40$89debac0$@gmail.com> It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right place when things change. Susan H. Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's focus seems to be for the future. I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. Jim. Hi All -- What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ ? FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. Thank you. -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 24 15:39:37 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:39:37 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1500928777.884702872@f348.i.mail.ru> Arthur -- Yes, Alpha Anywhere looks currently as a superior alternative but its price is too high for me. And it's a niche produce in my opinion. Still remember how far superior DataFlex 3.0 failed to compete with MS Access 1.x. And ?"Microsoft To Surpass 100 Million Office 365 Users in 2017" https://www.petri.com/office-365-85-million-monthly-active-users ? - where would it be more probable to make a small fortune or at least to get contracted/employed ? Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 10:40 PM +03:00 from Arthur Fuller : > >Shamil, > >From what I can see, Alpha Anywhere is a far superior alternative, with >none of the restrictions that apply to PowerApps. That restriction you >mentioned about PowerApps sharing is a deal-breaker, IMO. Also, an amazing >feature of AA is its ability to run in Disconnected Mode: this means that >you can run your app on your device even without connecting to the central >database, and then synchronize once you can connect. For example, you could >be "in the field" gathering data, then visit a Starbucks and connect from >there, synchronize and move on. > >Arthur > >On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < >accessd at databaseadvisors.com > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi All -- >> >> What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >> consultants/contractors/ISVs here >> >> "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft . >> com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ >> >> ? >> >> FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use >> templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows >> Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android >> phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows >> Phone using similar app. >> >> As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >> organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed >> from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public >> AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription >> worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and >> certification procedure. >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > >-- >Arthur >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 24 15:43:58 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:43:58 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: <001001d304bc$834a3e40$89debac0$@gmail.com> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> <001001d304bc$834a3e40$89debac0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> Susan -- Yes, I'm still a bit afraid here if PowerApps will soon go to nowhere as Project Siena, LightSwitch, Silverlight, Access Web Applications, ... did... Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 11:38 PM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" : > >It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right place >when things change. > >Susan H. > > >?Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's focus >seems to be for the future. > >?I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to >Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. > >Jim. > >Hi All -- > >What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >consultants/contractors/ISVs here > >"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": >https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > >? > >FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use >templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows >Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android >phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows >Phone using similar app. > >As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed >from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public >AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription >worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and >certification procedure. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 16:00:57 2017 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:00:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> <001001d304bc$834a3e40$89debac0$@gmail.com> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> Well, by taking part, I didn't mean financially. I meant... learning how to get the most of it and being ready, just in case. Susan H. Susan -- Yes, I'm still a bit afraid here if PowerApps will soon go to nowhere as Project Siena, LightSwitch, Silverlight, Access Web Applications, ... did... Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 11:38 PM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" : > >It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right >place when things change. > >Susan H. > > > Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's >focus seems to be for the future. > > I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to >Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. > >Jim. > >Hi All -- > >What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >consultants/contractors/ISVs here > >"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": >https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > >? > >FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from >ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop >and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It >should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using >special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > >As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or >installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at >public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 >subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special >verification and certification procedure. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 24 16:27:52 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:27:52 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1500931672.684877436@f348.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- The features, except the absence of the general purpose programming language, seems to be rather elaborated. But the absense of the general purpose programming language shouldn't be a stopper as PowerApps use flows (MS Flow) and Common Data Services with Entities and the latter could be facades for any rich data sources including REST APIs, so, in general, any functionality can be(?) implemented using Entities and flows with push notifications - in cloud based distributed mega-apps... Still unlear how they (MS) plan to manage authorization/authentication/flows for the case when a user with one smartphone/tablet is registered in several Office 365 cloud setups - say in a family, a company, a community... - and there is just one MS Flow and MS PowerApps app/front-end/runtime on a phone... As for distribution, if you plan to develop PowerApps just for your organization/Office 365 setup then the distriution is easy - just publish your PowerApp within your Office 365 setup and make it available for the other users of your setup.? But you probably mean distribution for your customers having their own Office 365 setups? ?- then you can try to save PowerApp bundle locally as *.msapp file and import it from *.msapp file in your customer environment. This approach looks like a (dirty) trick but it could work. BTW, *.msapp is just a zip archive of PowerApp meta-information/-structure - is it a well known fact? Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 11:25 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >The not-so-easy distribution is a show stopper for us, as is the currently very limited features. >As Jim, I just keep an eye on PowerApps. > >/gustav >________________________________________ >Fra: AccessD < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Sendt: 24. juli 2017 21:04:08 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Emne: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > >Hi All -- > >What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here > >"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > >? > >FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > >As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 24 16:33:30 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:33:30 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> Susan -- Well, "time (to learn PowerApps) is money" here, and there? And also without MS PowerApps Plan 2, which currently costs $40/month the set of features to learn is rather limited, actually the most promising features are unavailable if I'm not mistaken. There are other (hidden) costs as Office 365 (Dev) account subscription, MAPS subscription etc. -- Shamil >Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:03 AM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" : > >Well, by taking part, I didn't mean financially. I meant... learning how to get the most of it and being ready, just in case. > >Susan H. > > >Susan -- > >Yes, I'm still a bit afraid here if PowerApps will soon go to nowhere as Project Siena, LightSwitch, Silverlight, Access Web Applications, ... did... > >Shamil > >>Monday, July 24, 2017 11:38 PM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" < ssharkins at gmail.com >: >> >>It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right >>place when things change. >> >>Susan H. >> >> >> Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's >>focus seems to be for the future. >> >> I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to >>Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. >> >>Jim. >> >>Hi All -- >> >>What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >>consultants/contractors/ISVs here >> >>"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": >> https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ >> >>? >> >>FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from >>ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop >>and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It >>should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using >>special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. >> >>As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >>organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or >>installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at >>public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 >>subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special >>verification and certification procedure. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 16:45:37 2017 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:45:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <002e01d304c6$31954c20$94bfe460$@gmail.com> I get it I think Shamil -- it's a tradeoff. Think about all the technologies that you didn't bother to learn and now wish you had. ? If most of your money comes from MS support products, I'd watch it. If it doesn't, I'd let it go. I am always disappointed when MS comes out with something kind of cool and then drops it a few years later. Susan H. Susan -- Well, "time (to learn PowerApps) is money" here, and there? And also without MS PowerApps Plan 2, which currently costs $40/month the set of features to learn is rather limited, actually the most promising features are unavailable if I'm not mistaken. There are other (hidden) costs as Office 365 (Dev) account subscription, MAPS subscription etc. From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Jul 24 17:58:31 2017 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:58:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <002e01d304c6$31954c20$94bfe460$@gmail.com> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> <002e01d304c6$31954c20$94bfe460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <015801d304d0$5f013660$1d03a320$@net> Horrible idea....only for power users. If they had including a scripting language, then it would be good for developers. It is not. From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Jul 24 18:26:39 2017 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 19:26:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <015801d304d0$5f013660$1d03a320$@net> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> <002e01d304c6$31954c20$94bfe460$@gmail.com> <015801d304d0$5f013660$1d03a320$@net> Message-ID: <090b01d304d4$4dba28e0$e92e7aa0$@verizon.net> << then it would be good for developers. It is not.>> So was Access at one time Access itself was very limited in versions 1.0 and 1.1. Almost unusable. It wasn't until 2.0 that it took off and even then, it wasn't full featured until A97. I think in regards to PA's, you are seeing a rev 1.0 effort at present. Microsoft is very fond of releasing things that are not fully developed and seeing how they float. The thing that appeals to me and leads me to believe it won't be another flash in the pan is that Microsoft seems to be working with this across the board. It's not part of Office, it doesn't compete with anything else they currently have, and it appears to be a major focus for them. But like I said, I am waiting to see rev 2.0 and I'm not holding my breath. I got all excited about Access Web Apps and kept waiting for Rev 2.0 and it taking off, but they ended up going now where. I'm glad I didn't make a bet on that like some did. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 06:59 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Horrible idea....only for power users. If they had including a scripting language, then it would be good for developers. It is not. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Mon Jul 24 18:58:40 2017 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:58:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <08c201d304b4$8bff8700$a3fe9500$@verizon.net> <001001d304bc$834a3e40$89debac0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bf01d304d8$c5d9aae0$518d00a0$@cox.net> Having wasted time on Lightswitch, Windows Mobile, and Access web apps I am not ready to invest. It seems that all these projects that use some non-programing development system fall short in real world applications. They look good in the MS videos, but try and build something for a customer. Doug -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Susan -- Yes, I'm still a bit afraid here if PowerApps will soon go to nowhere as Project Siena, LightSwitch, Silverlight, Access Web Applications, ... did... Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 11:38 PM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" : > >It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right >place when things change. > >Susan H. > > > Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's >focus seems to be for the future. > > I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to >Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. > >Jim. > >Hi All -- > >What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >consultants/contractors/ISVs here > >"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": >https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > >? > >FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from >ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop >and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It >should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using >special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > >As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or >installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at >public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 >subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special >verification and certification procedure. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Jul 24 19:28:29 2017 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:28:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500931672.684877436@f348.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500931672.684877436@f348.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: " Still unlear how they (MS) plan to manage authorization/authentication/flows for the case when a user with one smartphone/tablet is registered in several Office 365 cloud setups - say in a family, a company, a community... - and there is just one MS Flow and MS PowerApps app/front-end/runtime on a phone..." Yeah. This used to be a big issue. MS are getting better at managing this (for example you can now link in multiple one drive accounts from different Office 365 sign-ins to a single PC) but having to juggle between accounts and options is still a pain at times. Especially as different Office 365 packages allow you to access different apps. I think MS are aware of it, but not sure how to make a seamless experience of it. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD Sent: 25 July, 2017 7:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi Gustav -- The features, except the absence of the general purpose programming language, seems to be rather elaborated. But the absense of the general purpose programming language shouldn't be a stopper as PowerApps use flows (MS Flow) and Common Data Services with Entities and the latter could be facades for any rich data sources including REST APIs, so, in general, any functionality can be(?) implemented using Entities and flows with push notifications - in cloud based distributed mega-apps... Still unlear how they (MS) plan to manage authorization/authentication/flows for the case when a user with one smartphone/tablet is registered in several Office 365 cloud setups - say in a family, a company, a community... - and there is just one MS Flow and MS PowerApps app/front-end/runtime on a phone... As for distribution, if you plan to develop PowerApps just for your organization/Office 365 setup then the distriution is easy - just publish your PowerApp within your Office 365 setup and make it available for the other users of your setup.? But you probably mean distribution for your customers having their own Office 365 setups? ?- then you can try to save PowerApp bundle locally as *.msapp file and import it from *.msapp file in your customer environment. This approach looks like a (dirty) trick but it could work. BTW, *.msapp is just a zip archive of PowerApp meta-information/-structure - is it a well known fact? Shamil >Monday, July 24, 2017 11:25 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >The not-so-easy distribution is a show stopper for us, as is the currently very limited features. >As Jim, I just keep an eye on PowerApps. > >/gustav >________________________________________ >Fra: AccessD < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Sendt: 24. juli 2017 21:04:08 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Emne: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > >Hi All -- > >What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here > >"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > >? > >FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > >As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 20:11:37 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:11:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC . On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft. > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > ? > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use > templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows > Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android > phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows > Phone using similar app. > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed > from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public > AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription > worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and > certification procedure. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Jul 24 20:16:44 2017 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 01:16:44 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Yes, agreed. But that is why MS is creating apps that will work on any platform rather than just Windows. The whole idea of office 365 is to be platform agnostic (eventually). Windows phone is the walking dead, unless they manage to pull some freaky bunny out of a hat. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: 25 July, 2017 11:12 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC . On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft. > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > ? > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop > and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It > should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using > special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 > subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > special verification and certification procedure. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 24 20:20:36 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:20:36 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru>, Message-ID: <59769CE4.27089.4F07B12@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at outlook.com Mon Jul 24 20:44:04 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 01:44:04 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <59769CE4.27089.4F07B12@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru>, <59769CE4.27089.4F07B12@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I have a Microsoft phone (950 XL) - and it's quite nice! From all the comments I've read a MS/Nokia phone has a better interface and higher reliability than other phones. But two things are spelling doom: 1) MS was way behind in market share by the time the good Nokia phones were available. 2) There are certain apps that many people really want on a phone. But they're not there because people making those apps (individuals and companies) believed that the MS phones would eventually fade away so they took a pass. MS should have paid those companies and individuals to create a version for the MS phones - I think that things would have been different by now had they done that! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: July 24, 2017 20:21 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Jul 24 21:31:19 2017 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 02:31:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru>, <59769CE4.27089.4F07B12@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Great comments Dan. I never understood why MS didn't just pay the developers to make and maintain the most popular apps. Even if they did just the top 20 most popular apps that would have worked. It would have been chump change for them to pay as well for a huge potential upside. I really think they didn't understand mobile back then. As you know they did nothing and just expected the dev houses and individuals pony up the money and resources into developing windows apps for a tiny market. Naturally hardly anyone bothered and the consumer who looked used a windows phone got annoyed they couldn't use their favourite apps. I know a few folks who had windows phones a few years back. I don't know anyone who has one now. Cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 25 July, 2017 11:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I have a Microsoft phone (950 XL) - and it's quite nice! From all the comments I've read a MS/Nokia phone has a better interface and higher reliability than other phones. But two things are spelling doom: 1) MS was way behind in market share by the time the good Nokia phones were available. 2) There are certain apps that many people really want on a phone. But they're not there because people making those apps (individuals and companies) believed that the MS phones would eventually fade away so they took a pass. MS should have paid those companies and individuals to create a version for the MS phones - I think that things would have been different by now had they done that! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: July 24, 2017 20:21 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jul 25 03:31:42 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:31:42 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1500971502.559973633@f337.i.mail.ru> Yes, but as Darryl has already noted in this thread PowerApps are to be run not only on Windows Phone but also on iPhone/iPad and Android and in any modern browser. Shamil >Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:14 AM +03:00 from Bill Benson : > >I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC >< http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42334717 >. > > >On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < >accessd at databaseadvisors.com > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi All -- >> >> What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >> consultants/contractors/ISVs here >> >> "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft . >> com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ >> >> ? >> >> FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use >> templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows >> Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android >> phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows >> Phone using similar app. >> >> As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >> organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed >> from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public >> AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription >> worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and >> certification procedure. >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jul 25 03:50:36 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:50:36 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500931672.684877436@f348.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1500972636.182136907@f490.i.mail.ru> Another issue (for me) is that only one instance of a PowerApp can be run on a smartphone, IOW "PowerApps" app (PowerApps' runtime on smartphone) is currently able to run in the same time just one kind of a PowerApp instance. But in a browser on a smartphone there could be running several instances of the PowerApps even of the same kind of PowerApps. -- Shamil >Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:31 AM +03:00 from Darryl Collins : > > >" Still unlear how they (MS) plan to manage authorization/authentication/flows for the case when a user with one smartphone/tablet is registered in several Office 365 cloud setups - say in a family, a company, a community... - and there is just one MS Flow and MS PowerApps app/front-end/runtime on a phone..." > >Yeah. This used to be a big issue. MS are getting better at managing this (for example you can now link in multiple one drive accounts from different Office 365 sign-ins to a single PC) but having to juggle between accounts and options is still a pain at times. > >Especially as different Office 365 packages allow you to access different apps. > >I think MS are aware of it, but not sure how to make a seamless experience of it. > >Cheers >Darryl. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD >Sent: 25 July, 2017 7:28 AM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > >Hi Gustav -- > >The features, except the absence of the general purpose programming language, seems to be rather elaborated. >But the absense of the general purpose programming language shouldn't be a stopper as PowerApps use flows (MS Flow) and Common Data Services with Entities and the latter could be facades for any rich data sources including REST APIs, so, in general, any functionality can be(?) implemented using Entities and flows with push notifications - in cloud based distributed mega-apps... > >Still unlear how they (MS) plan to manage authorization/authentication/flows for the case when a user with one smartphone/tablet is registered in several Office 365 cloud setups - say in a family, a company, a community... - and there is just one MS Flow and MS PowerApps app/front-end/runtime on a phone... > >As for distribution, if you plan to develop PowerApps just for your organization/Office 365 setup then the distriution is easy - just publish your PowerApp within your Office 365 setup and make it available for the other users of your setup.? > >But you probably mean distribution for your customers having their own Office 365 setups? ?- then you can try to save PowerApp bundle locally as *.msapp file and import it from *.msapp file in your customer environment. This approach looks like a (dirty) trick but it could work. BTW, *.msapp is just a zip archive of PowerApp meta-information/-structure - is it a well known fact? > >Shamil > > >>Monday, July 24, 2017 11:25 PM +03:00 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >> >>Hi Shamil >> >>The not-so-easy distribution is a show stopper for us, as is the currently very limited features. >>As Jim, I just keep an eye on PowerApps. >> >>/gustav >>________________________________________ >>Fra: AccessD < accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sendt: 24. juli 2017 21:04:08 >>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil >>Emne: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? >> >>Hi All -- >> >>What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for consultants/contractors/ISVs here >> >>"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ >> >>? >> >>FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. >> >>As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special verification and certification procedure. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jul 25 04:41:07 2017 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:41:07 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?are_PowerApps_destined_to_fly=3F?= In-Reply-To: <00bf01d304d8$c5d9aae0$518d00a0$@cox.net> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <00bf01d304d8$c5d9aae0$518d00a0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <1500975667.488030011@f390.i.mail.ru> AFAIS PowerApps in their current version look good for live prototyping for (parts of) modern mobile/web apps. And backend web/cloud services designed for PowerApps are fully functional and can be used with other types of applications. Shamil >Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:01 AM +03:00 from "Doug Murphy" : > >Having wasted time on Lightswitch, Windows Mobile, and Access web apps I am not ready to invest. It seems that all these projects that use some non-programing development system fall short in real world applications. They look good in the MS videos, but try and build something for a customer. > >Doug > >-----Original Message----- >From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:44 PM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Cc: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > >Susan -- > >Yes, I'm still a bit afraid here if PowerApps will soon go to nowhere as Project Siena, LightSwitch, Silverlight, Access Web Applications, ... did... > >Shamil > >>Monday, July 24, 2017 11:38 PM +03:00 from "Susan Harkins" < ssharkins at gmail.com >: >> >>It's worth taking part, even if it's just to learn and be in the right >>place when things change. >> >>Susan H. >> >> >> Little early I think with Power Apps, but that's where Microsoft's >>focus seems to be for the future. >> >> I was waiting for "rev 2" before jumping in. Right now, PA is akin to >>Access 1.x; a lot of promise, but not a lot of meat there yet. >> >>Jim. >> >>Hi All -- >> >>What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for >>consultants/contractors/ISVs here >> >>"PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": >> https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ >> >>? >> >>FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from >>ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on desktop >>and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather well. It >>should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by using >>special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. >> >>As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an >>organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or >>installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there at >>public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan 2 >>subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a special >>verification and certification procedure. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 25 06:24:23 2017 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:24:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Message-ID: Hi Stuart Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends have a Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still miles ahead of the competition. I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling this and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for banking, payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic may be required, but still. It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced iPhone or the mess of an Android. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 25 07:39:27 2017 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:39:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <096201d30543$0e2108b0$2a631a10$@verizon.net> Microsoft has already announced that the Windows Phone is dead. Production ended in June. Windows phone only had .3% (yes <1%) of the phone market. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 07:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi Stuart Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends have a Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still miles ahead of the competition. I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling this and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for banking, payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic may be required, but still. It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced iPhone or the mess of an Android. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Jul 25 17:45:53 2017 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:45:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a3a01d30597$c5fb2ed0$51f18c70$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, I, and a few other Windows phone users in the USA agree with you. I love my Windows phone! After using it for 2 weeks I could no longer abide the mess that is Android or bare looking at the iPhone UI. Regards, John B -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi Stuart Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends have a Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still miles ahead of the competition. I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling this and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for banking, payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic may be required, but still. It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced iPhone or the mess of an Android. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 17:52:04 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:52:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <2a3a01d30597$c5fb2ed0$51f18c70$@winhaven.net> References: <2a3a01d30597$c5fb2ed0$51f18c70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Well I have never seen a windows phone, and it is sad to think I will have never ever laid my hands on one. No one I know has one (so I am with Stuart). I bought an iPhone once - I think one of the 4 series - promptly returned it. Android frustrates me at least a few times a day, buggy as heck. Nice to know MS did something right, even if they did not market it well. That last part's a shame. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:45 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Gustav, > I, and a few other Windows phone users in the USA agree with you. I love my > Windows phone! After using it for 2 weeks I could no longer abide the mess > that is Android or bare looking at the iPhone UI. > Regards, > John B > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:24 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > > Hi Stuart > > Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends have a > Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still miles ahead of > the competition. > > I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling this > and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for banking, > payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. > > I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic may be > required, but still. > It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced iPhone > or the mess of an Android. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Stuart McLachlan > Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > > I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! > > On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > > > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > > . > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > > > ? > > > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Tue Jul 25 20:49:20 2017 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 01:49:20 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: References: <2a3a01d30597$c5fb2ed0$51f18c70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Not wanting to get into a 'my phone's OS is better then yours' but here are a couple of observations. 1: The few folks I know who have owned a windows phone have liked it a lot, but there just isn't the apps or phone models to make it viable. MS basically missed the mobile boat and then were too slow when they did jump on board. 2: Android has more than 65% of the mobile phone market vs 33% for iOS. Credible reports put Android's share as high as 88%. However, Combined iOS and Android have 99.6% of the mobile Market. 3: Good Android phones are very good, but you need to spend big $ too. There is little use comparing a >$100 Android with a $900 iPhone. Cheap Android phone are fairly horrid to use (vs the good ones and iOS) but are great value for what you get vs the outlay. 4: The Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is one of the best phones out there. Android based and wonderful to use - but it is not cheap. It is not buggy either. 5: Android's biggest weakness is 'fragmentation'. Again if you have a quality phone (or pure android phone) this is less of an issue (or non issue). 6: Your mileage will vary as there are different carrier and plans in every country. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson Sent: 26 July, 2017 8:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Well I have never seen a windows phone, and it is sad to think I will have never ever laid my hands on one. No one I know has one (so I am with Stuart). I bought an iPhone once - I think one of the 4 series - promptly returned it. Android frustrates me at least a few times a day, buggy as heck. Nice to know MS did something right, even if they did not market it well. That last part's a shame. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:45 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Gustav, > I, and a few other Windows phone users in the USA agree with you. I > love my Windows phone! After using it for 2 weeks I could no longer > abide the mess that is Android or bare looking at the iPhone UI. > Regards, > John B > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:24 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > > Hi Stuart > > Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends > have a Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still > miles ahead of the competition. > > I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling > this and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for > banking, payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. > > I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic > may be required, but still. > It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced > iPhone or the mess of an Android. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Stuart McLachlan > Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? > > I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! > > On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > > > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does > > IDC . > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > > > ? > > > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad > > > by using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published > > > there at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get > > > PowerApps Plan > > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jul 26 02:25:13 2017 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:25:13 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Message-ID: Hi Jim Sorry, I should have been more precise: I meant the OS, currently Windows 10 Mobile. HP produces one, very expensive though powerful. I really don't care who produces the phone as long as quality is in top. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Dettman Sendt: 25. juli 2017 14:39 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Microsoft has already announced that the Windows Phone is dead. Production ended in June. Windows phone only had .3% (yes <1%) of the phone market. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 07:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? Hi Stuart Both I, Rita (my wife), and my son-in-law, and one of Rita's friends have a Windows Phone - and we love it. The user interface is still miles ahead of the competition. I don't care of the lack of all sorts of stupid apps for controlling this and that gadget. What bothers, is that some serious apps for banking, payment, access to public services and the like are slowly vanishing. I sincerely hope that Microsoft reinitializes the phone. Some magic may be required, but still. It will be a sad day when I feel forced to buy a heavily overpriced iPhone or the mess of an Android. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 25. juli 2017 03:21 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? I've never seen anyone with a Windows phone! On 24 Jul 2017 at 21:11, Bill Benson wrote: > I see the outlook for Windows Phone being rather bleak... as does IDC > . > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All -- > > > > What is your opinion - is there any/good business opportunity for > > consultants/contractors/ISVs here > > > > "PowerApps for Microsoft partners and ISVs": > > https://powerapps.microsoft. > > com/en-us/tutorials/dev-isv-partner-intro/ > > > > ? > > > > FYI: I have MS Office 365 Dev account and I have created from > > ready-to-use templates a sample PowerApp, and I have run it on > > desktop and in my Windows Phone - (surprisingly) it worked rather > > well. It should also run on Android phone/tablet and iPhone/iPad by > > using special app as it runs on Windows Phone using similar app. > > > > As far as I see currently PowerApps can only be shared within an > > organization/Office 365/Dynamics 365 common subscription and/or > > installed from public AppStore but to get a PowerApp published there > > at public AppStore one have to become MS Partner, get PowerApps Plan > > 2 subscription worth $40/month and a developed app has to pass a > > special verification and certification procedure. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Jul 26 10:21:58 2017 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:21:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <090b01d304d4$4dba28e0$e92e7aa0$@verizon.net> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <1500929038.996956484@f407.i.mail.ru> <002101d304bf$f2db4f80$d891ee80$@gmail.com> <1500932010.212800202@f457.i.mail.ru> <002e01d304c6$31954c20$94bfe460$@gmail.com> <015801d304d0$5f013660$1d03a320$@net> <090b01d304d4$4dba28e0$e92e7aa0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000501d30622$ec929340$c5b7b9c0$@net> > I got all excited about Access Web Apps and kept waiting for Rev 2.0 > and it > taking off, but they ended up going now where. > > I'm glad I didn't make a bet on that like some did. > > Jim. Takeaway: Never bet on MSFT to release something you need....a sure-fire way to YOUR waste time and resources. From marksimms at verizon.net Wed Jul 26 10:23:50 2017 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:23:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] are PowerApps destined to fly? In-Reply-To: <1500975667.488030011@f390.i.mail.ru> References: <1500923048.98664309@f451.i.mail.ru> <00bf01d304d8$c5d9aae0$518d00a0$@cox.net> <1500975667.488030011@f390.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <000601d30623$2fa57170$8ef05450$@net> > AFAIS PowerApps in their current version look good for live prototyping > for (parts of) modern mobile/web apps. And backend web/cloud services > designed for PowerApps are fully functional and can be used with other > types of applications. > > Shamil Agreed....especially the "parts of". It's just a rough prototyping tool right now. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 26 13:03:32 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:03:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time Message-ID: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> Dear List: Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and date. But I'm using strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) While strFileName <> "" rs.AddNew rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFileName = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set rs = Nothing but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them have been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. Is there a way to get just Create Date? MTIA Rocky From df.waters at outlook.com Wed Jul 26 13:21:43 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:21:43 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of column headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date Created. Check to see if those dates are different to begin with. If not then getting that date in code won?t help anyway. IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it to change when you?d expect that it wouldn?t. Dan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time Dear List: Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and date. But I'm using strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) While strFileName <> "" rs.AddNew rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFileName = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set rs = Nothing but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them have been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. Is there a way to get just Create Date? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 26 14:03:34 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:03:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property is the date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in the folder. So then I had to manipulate that because of the unprintable characters in it. Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological sequence of date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number so that the file names sort in date picture TAKEN. And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Date Time In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of column headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date Created. Check to see if those dates are different to begin with. If not then getting that date in code won't help anyway. IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it to change when you'd expect that it wouldn't. Dan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time Dear List: Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and date. But I'm using strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) While strFileName <> "" rs.AddNew rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFileName = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set rs = Nothing but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them have been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. Is there a way to get just Create Date? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 26 15:35:52 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 06:35:52 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com>, , <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <5978FD28.2774.E388465@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Do you want to know WHERE it was taken as well?. Here's Access code which will let you read all of the EXIF data in a jpeg, including creation date, camera details and GPS co-ordinates if the camera has that info available :) http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=Accessing-detailed-file-information-provid ed-by-the-Operating-System He uses a really clever technique to access the data. In effect he creates a native code DLL in memory from a text string! ' * The purpose of this module is to allow easy access to the detailed file * ' * properties that are exposed by the Operating System (2000/XP and above), * ' * commonly referred to as "shell property handlers". * ' * * ' * For example, using these properties you can determine the duration length * ' * of an audio file (MP3, etc), or extended data like JPEG EXIF properties. * ' * * ' * This module is a Virtual-COM module that creates native-code x86 COM * ' * objects in memory. This is the equivalent of having a small seperate * ' * DLL, but without adding any extra dependencies to your project. * On 26 Jul 2017 at 12:03, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property is > the date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in the > folder. So then I had to manipulate that because of the unprintable > characters in it. > > Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological sequence > of date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number so that the > file names sort in date picture TAKEN. > > And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM To: Access > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] File > Date Time > > In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of column > headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date Created. Check > to see if those dates are different to begin with. If not then > getting that date in code won't help anyway. > > IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it to > change when you'd expect that it wouldn't. > > Dan > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem > solving'; 'Off > Topic' > Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time > > Dear List: > > > > Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart > suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and > date. But I'm using > > > > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > > While strFileName <> "" > > rs.AddNew > > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > > rs.Update > > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > > strFileName = Dir$ > > Wend > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was > created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them > have been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. > > > > Is there a way to get just Create Date? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 26 20:12:58 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:12:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: <5978FD28.2774.E388465@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com>, , <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> <5978FD28.2774.E388465@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <048a01d30675$7c676ed0$75364c70$@bchacc.com> Nice! I managed to wrestle the info out using FSO. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Date Time Do you want to know WHERE it was taken as well?. Here's Access code which will let you read all of the EXIF data in a jpeg, including creation date, camera details and GPS co-ordinates if the camera has that info available :) http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=Accessing-detailed-file-inf ormation-provid ed-by-the-Operating-System He uses a really clever technique to access the data. In effect he creates a native code DLL in memory from a text string! ' * The purpose of this module is to allow easy access to the detailed file * ' * properties that are exposed by the Operating System (2000/XP and above), * ' * commonly referred to as "shell property handlers". * ' * * ' * For example, using these properties you can determine the duration length * ' * of an audio file (MP3, etc), or extended data like JPEG EXIF properties. * ' * * ' * This module is a Virtual-COM module that creates native-code x86 COM * ' * objects in memory. This is the equivalent of having a small seperate * ' * DLL, but without adding any extra dependencies to your project. * On 26 Jul 2017 at 12:03, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property is > the date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in the > folder. So then I had to manipulate that because of the unprintable > characters in it. > > Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological sequence > of date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number so that the > file names sort in date picture TAKEN. > > And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM To: Access > Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] File > Date Time > > In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of column > headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date Created. Check > to see if those dates are different to begin with. If not then > getting that date in code won't help anyway. > > IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it to > change when you'd expect that it wouldn't. > > Dan > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem > solving'; 'Off > Topic' > Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time > > Dear List: > > > > Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart > suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and > date. But I'm using > > > > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > > While strFileName <> "" > > rs.AddNew > > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > > rs.Update > > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > > strFileName = Dir$ > > Wend > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was > created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them > have been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. > > > > Is there a way to get just Create Date? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 02:24:49 2017 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 03:24:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Does this date get retained when making a round trip to the cloud? I have found many of my image archives screwed with through this process. On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property is the > date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in the folder. So > then I had to manipulate that because of the unprintable characters in it. > > Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological sequence of > date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number so that the file > names sort in date picture TAKEN. > > And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Dan > Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] File Date Time > > In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of column > headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date Created. Check to > see > if those dates are different to begin with. If not then getting that date > in code won't help anyway. > > IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it to > change > when you'd expect that it wouldn't. > > Dan > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem > solving'; 'Off > Topic' > Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time > > Dear List: > > > > Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart suggested > I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and date. But I'm > using > > > > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > > While strFileName <> "" > > rs.AddNew > > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > > rs.Update > > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > > strFileName = Dir$ > > Wend > > rs.Close > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file was > created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of them have > been modified but I need to rename them in create date sequence. > > > > Is there a way to get just Create Date? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 27 06:22:39 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 21:22:39 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com>, <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com>, Message-ID: <5979CCFF.27709.116467F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yes. It's part of the EXIF data which is written into the image file by the camera when it is created. The only way that can be changed is with an EXF editing tool If you've got a photo on your computer that have been taken with a modern digital camera or a smartphone,right click on it and select Properties - Details. You will see just how much data is stored about a photo. One item is "Date Taken" By clicking on a data item, you can edit it there, but Windows won't do that by itself. On 27 Jul 2017 at 3:24, Bill Benson wrote: > Does this date get retained when making a round trip to the cloud? I > have found many of my image archives screwed with through this > process. > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property > > is the date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in > > the folder. So then I had to manipulate that because of the > > unprintable characters in it. > > > > Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological > > sequence of date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number > > so that the file names sort in date picture TAKEN. > > > > And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM To: > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: > > [AccessD] File Date Time > > > > In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of > > column headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date > > Created. Check to see if those dates are different to begin with. > > If not then getting that date in code won't help anyway. > > > > IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it > > to change when you'd expect that it wouldn't. > > > > Dan > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem > > solving'; 'Off > > Topic' > > Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart > > suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and > > date. But I'm using > > > > > > > > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > > > > While strFileName <> "" > > > > rs.AddNew > > > > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > > > > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > > > > rs.Update > > > > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > > > > strFileName = Dir$ > > > > Wend > > > > rs.Close > > > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > > > > > but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file > > was created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of > > them have been modified but I need to rename them in create date > > sequence. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to get just Create Date? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From vbacreations at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:18:15 2017 From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:18:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time In-Reply-To: <5979CCFF.27709.116467F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <043401d30639$7e7621d0$7b626570$@bchacc.com> <043c01d30641$e1376060$a3a62120$@bchacc.com> <5979CCFF.27709.116467F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thank you. On Jul 27, 2017 7:24 AM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Yes. It's part of the EXIF data which is written into the image file by > the camera when it is > created. The only way that can be changed is with an EXF editing tool > > If you've got a photo on your computer that have been taken with a modern > digital camera or > a smartphone,right click on it and select Properties - Details. You will > see just how much > data is stored about a photo. One item is "Date Taken" > > By clicking on a data item, you can edit it there, but Windows won't do > that by itself. > > > On 27 Jul 2017 at 3:24, Bill Benson wrote: > > > Does this date get retained when making a round trip to the cloud? I > > have found many of my image archives screwed with through this > > process. > > > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: > > > > > Well I found the solution in file system object. The 12th property > > > is the date the picture was taken, not the date it was created in > > > the folder. So then I had to manipulate that because of the > > > unprintable characters in it. > > > > > > Any short story long, I've got the pictures in chronological > > > sequence of date TAKEN and renamed them all with a sequence number > > > so that the file names sort in date picture TAKEN. > > > > > > And I have a brand new skill I'll probably never use again. :) > > > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > > > Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:22 AM To: > > > Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: > > > [AccessD] File Date Time > > > > > > In the folder that holds these picture files, on the top row of > > > column headers, right-click on Date Modified and select Date > > > Created. Check to see if those dates are different to begin with. > > > If not then getting that date in code won't help anyway. > > > > > > IIRC there is something about Create Date of a file that causes it > > > to change when you'd expect that it wouldn't. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Rocky Smolin > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 13:07 > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem > > > solving'; 'Off > > > Topic' > > > Subject: [AccessD] File Date Time > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > > Still working with renaming a folder full of pictures. As Stuart > > > suggested I'm creating a table of photos I the folder with names and > > > date. But I'm using > > > > > > > > > > > > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > > > > > > While strFileName <> "" > > > > > > rs.AddNew > > > > > > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > > > > > > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > > > > > > rs.Update > > > > > > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > > > > > > strFileName = Dir$ > > > > > > Wend > > > > > > rs.Close > > > > > > Set rs = Nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > but FileDateTime as described in the msdn page is the tie the file > > > was created or last modified. I need the creation date as some of > > > them have been modified but I need to rename them in create date > > > sequence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to get just Create Date? > > > > > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 27 09:21:40 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:21:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Message-ID: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Dear List: I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. I tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't remember exactly how to go about it. Can someone point me in the right direction for that? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From accesspro at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:42:12 2017 From: accesspro at gmail.com (Bob Heygood) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:42:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access files by date In-Reply-To: References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <012501d306e6$88f1f780$9ad5e680$@gmail.com> Great solution. I have a need that this will work for as well. Thx Bob Heygood -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access files by date I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a simple function: Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFName As String Dim fdate As Date Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" rs.AddNew rs!FileName = strFilename rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFilename = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set re = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount End Function Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the data, manually or with VBA. On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > director's cut. > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding many) > is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then display by > date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time stamp, the > pictures of like places and times are now grouped together. > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a bit > of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do a > final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any in a > different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between RR00020 > and RR00030. > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from the > web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all be > done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name order, > not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir command to do > that. > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 10:06:27 2017 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:06:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the objects > to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way to solve > some > corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't remember exactly how > to > go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jul 27 10:11:38 2017 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:11:38 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAECA0926DCE@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk> https://access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=99179 -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: 27 July 2017 16:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Jul 27 11:34:00 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:34:00 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Thu Jul 27 11:57:48 2017 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:57:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: 'twas Stuart McLachlan on April 29th... I've posted Dan's Decorrupter for those who want a copy at http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter Lambert? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:34 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 27 12:31:36 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:31:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Jul 27 14:02:54 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:02:54 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 27 14:14:50 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:14:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> I did but ran into a bug - The file C:\Clients\AHI\AHI_FE-1229-DecorrupterTEXT.accdb appears to be open. You must close it before continuing. What am I doing wrong? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fahooper at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 14:34:48 2017 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:34:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <597A4058.10009@gmail.com> Is it intended to work on 2002? I'm running into errors in code related to the version number. Specifically, * tblAccessOptions includes headings for Version10 (2002) and Version11 (2003). The Switch function in TransferOptions Line 3 is only populated for 12, 14 & 15 -- so it fails. * tblAccessProperties has headings for Access11, Access12, Access14 & Access15, but 14 is all true and the others are all false. The code in TransferProperties Line 6 requires the appropriate AccessNN be True -- and only Access14 has any True values. The combination of these makes me think that this copy will only work for Access14. Best, Fred > Dan Waters > Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:02 PM > Hi Rocky, > > Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. > > Enjoy! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. > > Best, > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on > their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't > remember who that was. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of jack drawbridge > Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Rocky, > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not > positive. > > Good luck. > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Jul 27 14:50:55 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:50:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Is the file actually open? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 14:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I did but ran into a bug - The file C:\Clients\AHI\AHI_FE-1229-DecorrupterTEXT.accdb appears to be open. You must close it before continuing. What am I doing wrong? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Jul 27 14:54:04 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:54:04 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <597A4058.10009@gmail.com> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <597A4058.10009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, I make this in Access 2010 so it probably does not work in Access 2002. I've had people use this in Access 2010 and up, but not previous version. Perhaps you could rewrite it or make a workaround for Access 2002? I don't have a copy anymore. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper Sent: July 27, 2017 14:35 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Is it intended to work on 2002? I'm running into errors in code related to the version number. Specifically, * tblAccessOptions includes headings for Version10 (2002) and Version11 (2003). The Switch function in TransferOptions Line 3 is only populated for 12, 14 & 15 -- so it fails. * tblAccessProperties has headings for Access11, Access12, Access14 & Access15, but 14 is all true and the others are all false. The code in TransferProperties Line 6 requires the appropriate AccessNN be True -- and only Access14 has any True values. The combination of these makes me think that this copy will only work for Access14. Best, Fred > Dan Waters Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:02 > PM Hi Rocky, > > Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. > > Enjoy! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. > > Best, > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Waters > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on > their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't > remember who that was. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of jack drawbridge > Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Rocky, > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not > positive. > > Good luck. > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fahooper at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 15:23:17 2017 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:23:17 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <597A4058.10009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan, I'll see what I can do about rewriting it for 2002 -- that's what I deserve for staying in the dark ages. I think the file was open; it created two other access files. Tomorrow I'll look at it more carefully. I'll keep notes that might help someone else with other Access versions. Best, Fred On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:55 PM Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I make this in Access 2010 so it probably does not work in Access 2002. > I've had people use this in Access 2010 and up, but not previous version. > > Perhaps you could rewrite it or make a workaround for Access 2002? I > don't have a copy anymore. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Fred Hooper > Sent: July 27, 2017 14:35 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Is it intended to work on 2002? I'm running into errors in code related to > the version number. > > Specifically, > > * tblAccessOptions includes headings for Version10 (2002) and > Version11 (2003). The Switch function in TransferOptions Line 3 is > only populated for 12, 14 & 15 -- so it fails. > * tblAccessProperties has headings for Access11, Access12, Access14 & > Access15, but 14 is all true and the others are all false. The code > in TransferProperties Line 6 requires the appropriate AccessNN be > True -- and only Access14 has any True values. > > The combination of these makes me think that this copy will only work for > Access14. > > Best, > Fred > > Dan Waters Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:02 > > PM Hi Rocky, > > > > Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. > > > > Enjoy! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > > > Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. > > > > Best, > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of Dan Waters > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > > > I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on > > their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't > > remember who that was. > > > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of jack drawbridge > > Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > > > Rocky, > > > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not > > positive. > > > > Good luck. > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 27 17:57:34 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:57:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com>, Message-ID: <597A6FDE.28550.13E09E0B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Max Sherman (Max Wanadoo) wrote an application called EatBloat.mdb which does this. I have his Version 4.1 dated 2009. It contains a single form which you import into your existing application and lets you import/export everything - with quite comprehensive instructions. If you want it let me know. Wonder what happened to Max, he dropped off the list not long after that. -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2017 at 11:06, jack drawbridge wrote: > Rocky, > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm > not positive. > > Good luck. > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen > > resizing. I tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the > > problem. > > > > > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a > > way to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but > > can't remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 27 17:59:34 2017 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:59:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com>, , Message-ID: <597A7056.23174.13E2719E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'd forgotten about that too. It was me. Get it here: http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter.php On 27 Jul 2017 at 16:34, Dan Waters wrote: > I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on > their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't > remember who that was. > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import > all Objects > > Rocky, > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm > not positive. > > Good luck. > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen > > resizing. I tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the > > problem. > > > > > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a > > way to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but > > can't remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jackandpat.d at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 18:22:10 2017 From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:22:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <597A7056.23174.13E2719E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <597A7056.23174.13E2719E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, I also wonder what happened to Max. He was quite active on AccessD. He suggested Glary Utilities to me. I use it regularly. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I'd forgotten about that too. It was me. > > Get it here: http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter.php > > On 27 Jul 2017 at 16:34, Dan Waters wrote: > > > I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on > > their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't > > remember who that was. > > > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > > Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers > > discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import > > all Objects > > > > Rocky, > > > > I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine > > (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text > > of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm > > not positive. > > > > Good luck. > > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin > > wrote: > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen > > > resizing. I tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > > > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a > > > way to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but > > > can't remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > 760-683-5777 > > > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 27 19:56:31 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:56:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <060701d3073c$5a125760$0e370620$@bchacc.com> I don't think so. Doesn't appear to be. It gets created when I start the export, yes? R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Is the file actually open? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 14:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I did but ran into a bug - The file C:\Clients\AHI\AHI_FE-1229-DecorrupterTEXT.accdb appears to be open. You must close it before continuing. What am I doing wrong? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jul 28 09:38:56 2017 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 10:38:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <013001d30483$ff0cc450$fd264cf0$@bchacc.com> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5975ADBE.27174.14A489A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <013001d30483$ff0cc450$fd264cf0$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <4d86d4de-18bf-7916-ae76-9e011ed72134@torchlake.com> Thank you, Rocky. I've saved it for a future use. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 07/24/17 9:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Perfecto, mi amigo. > > Thank you. > > Here's my finished function to load the file table and rename the files on > chronological order in case it's of value to someone else. It could be > generalized by removing the referenced to "Photos", and strFileSpec to "*.*" > In the name statement you'd have to get the file extension of the original > file instead of just adding ".jpg". And passing strFolder and strFilespec to > the function as arguments would have been a nice touch. But for the moment > this is a one-off for me. > > > Best, > > Rocky > > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > Dim strFolder As String > Dim strFileSpec As String > Dim strFileName As String > > Private Sub Command0_Click() > > strFolder = "C:\temp\" > strFileSpec = "*.*" > > MsgBox GetPhotos & " And Done." > > End Sub > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > > Dim strFileName As String > Dim strNewName As String > > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > > Dim lngCount As Long > Dim lngFileNumber As Long > > CurrentDb.Execute "Delete * FROM tblPhotos" > > ' Get files into table > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos") > MsgBox strFolder & strFileSpec > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > While strFileName <> "" > rs.AddNew > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > rs.Update > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFileName = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set rs = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > > ' Rename files > lngFileNumber = 0 > > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos ORDER BY > fldPhotosFileDate") > Do While rs.EOF = False > lngFileNumber = lngFileNumber + 10 > strNewName = strFolder & "RR" & Right("0000" & Trim(Str(lngFileNumber)), > 4) & ".jpg" > Name strFolder & rs!fldPhotosFileName As strNewName > rs.MoveNext > Loop > > End Function > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:20 AM > To: 'Off Topic'; Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [AccessD] Access files by date > > That was air code. Quite a few typos and simpel erros there :( > > This one should run: > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > Dim strFileName As String > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim lngCount As Long > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") > strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.path & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" > rs.AddNew > rs!FileName = strFilename > rs!Filedate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) > rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFilename = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set re = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > End Function > > > > On 24 Jul 2017 at 18:09, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever >> other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a >> simple function: >> >> Function GetPhotos() As Long >> Dim strFName As String >> Dim fdate As Date >> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >> Dim lngCount As Long >> Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") >> strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > >> "" >> rs.AddNew >> rs!FileName = strFilename >> rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & >> strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 >> strFilename = Dir$ >> Wend >> rs.Close >> Set re = Nothing >> GetPhotos = lngCount >> End Function >> >> Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the >> data, manually or with VBA. >> >> On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> >>> >>> Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the >>> redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have >>> volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a >>> director's cut. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding >>> many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then >>> display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time >>> stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped >>> together. >>> >>> >>> >>> So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, >>> and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a >>> bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do >>> a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any >>> in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between >>> RR00020 and RR00030. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from >>> the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all >>> be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name >>> order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir >>> command to do that. >>> >>> >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Smolin >>> >>> Beach Access Software >>> >>> 760-683-5777 >>> >>> www.bchacc.com >>> >>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> Skype: rocky.smolin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > > From fahooper at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 10:18:23 2017 From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:18:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <597A4058.10009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <597B55BF.40207@gmail.com> Hi Dan, I've gotten it to work (mostly, details below) on the 2002 project that I've taken over from someone who wrote it as their first big project 15 years ago. To do so I made the following changes (documented in the Other Access Versions module that I added): * Edited the Switch function in TransferOptions, line 3 to include the 2002 and 2003 versions (a/k/a 10 & 11). As the appropriate columns in tblAccessOptions were already populated I didn't think I needed to do more. * Wrote and ran code (it's in the new module for use with other Access versions) to test the values already in tblAccessProperties, I added the Access10 field that I needed to hold the results. o These were all True (as for A14) except AllowByPassKey, AllowBreakIntoCode & AppIcon -- all of which my project uses. I left them False as the project sets them automatically -- as I expect all do that use the first two and the need for the third will be obvious. o I expect that Access 11 (2003) would work the same way, but I haven't made any changes in the table for that version. As I haven't extensively used anything more modern I don't know about later versions. * I had one form and three reports that wouldn't export to text. As these are rarely used in the project, I added code to DeCorrupter to save their names in a new table, tblExportFailures (and manually imported them into the DeCorrupted version). All code related to these changes currently runs only on my PC (If Environ("computername") = "PUGET-88049"), as this change may not be desirable to others. If someone *does* want this code to run, they could search/replace their computer name. I haven't completed testing of the DeCorrupted copy of the project, but compile found four places where changes were needed that were obscured by (presumed) corruption in the source copy; I looked closely in the source but couldn't find any reason that it should have compiled. I'm happy to email it to anyone who would like a copy of the changed program. Best, Fred > Dan Waters > Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:54 PM > Hi Fred, > > I make this in Access 2010 so it probably does not work in Access > 2002. I've had people use this in Access 2010 and up, but not previous > version. > > Perhaps you could rewrite it or make a workaround for Access 2002? I > don't have a copy anymore. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Fred Hooper > Sent: July 27, 2017 14:35 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects > > Is it intended to work on 2002? I'm running into errors in code > related to the version number. > > Specifically, > > * tblAccessOptions includes headings for Version10 (2002) and > Version11 (2003). The Switch function in TransferOptions Line 3 is > only populated for 12, 14 & 15 -- so it fails. > * tblAccessProperties has headings for Access11, Access12, Access14 & > Access15, but 14 is all true and the others are all false. The code > in TransferProperties Line 6 requires the appropriate AccessNN be > True -- and only Access14 has any True values. > > The combination of these makes me think that this copy will only work > for Access14. > > Best, > Fred > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 28 10:30:59 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:30:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <4d86d4de-18bf-7916-ae76-9e011ed72134@torchlake.com> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> <5975AB4C.9054.140BA8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5975ADBE.27174.14A489A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <013001d30483$ff0cc450$fd264cf0$@bchacc.com> <4d86d4de-18bf-7916-ae76-9e011ed72134@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <003801d307b6$83f35140$8bd9f3c0$@bchacc.com> Trash it. I found out that it wasn't working right. It was retrieving the Create Date OR the Last Modified Date. Which was screwing up the chronology. I had to go deeper - into the jpg header and get the 'real' create date - the date taken. I'll post that code later after I clean it up. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:39 AM To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-OT] Access files by date Thank you, Rocky. I've saved it for a future use. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 07/24/17 9:51 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Perfecto, mi amigo. > > Thank you. > > Here's my finished function to load the file table and rename the > files on chronological order in case it's of value to someone else. It > could be generalized by removing the referenced to "Photos", and strFileSpec to "*.*" > In the name statement you'd have to get the file extension of the > original file instead of just adding ".jpg". And passing strFolder and > strFilespec to the function as arguments would have been a nice touch. > But for the moment this is a one-off for me. > > > Best, > > Rocky > > Option Compare Database > Option Explicit > > Dim strFolder As String > Dim strFileSpec As String > Dim strFileName As String > > Private Sub Command0_Click() > > strFolder = "C:\temp\" > strFileSpec = "*.*" > > MsgBox GetPhotos & " And Done." > > End Sub > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > > Dim strFileName As String > Dim strNewName As String > > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > > Dim lngCount As Long > Dim lngFileNumber As Long > > CurrentDb.Execute "Delete * FROM tblPhotos" > > ' Get files into table > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos") > MsgBox strFolder & strFileSpec > strFileName = Dir$(strFolder & strFileSpec) > While strFileName <> "" > rs.AddNew > rs!fldPhotosFileName = strFileName > rs!fldPhotosFileDate = FileDateTime(strFolder & strFileName) > rs.Update > lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFileName = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set rs = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > > ' Rename files > lngFileNumber = 0 > > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("Select * FROM tblPhotos ORDER BY > fldPhotosFileDate") > Do While rs.EOF = False > lngFileNumber = lngFileNumber + 10 > strNewName = strFolder & "RR" & Right("0000" & > Trim(Str(lngFileNumber)), > 4) & ".jpg" > Name strFolder & rs!fldPhotosFileName As strNewName > rs.MoveNext > Loop > > End Function > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-OT [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:20 AM > To: 'Off Topic'; Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [AccessD] Access files by date > > That was air code. Quite a few typos and simpel erros there :( > > This one should run: > > Function GetPhotos() As Long > Dim strFileName As String > Dim rs As DAO.Recordset > Dim lngCount As Long > Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") > strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.path & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" > rs.AddNew > rs!FileName = strFilename > rs!Filedate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) > rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 > strFilename = Dir$ > Wend > rs.Close > Set re = Nothing > GetPhotos = lngCount > End Function > > > > On 24 Jul 2017 at 18:09, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever >> other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then >> a simple function: >> >> Function GetPhotos() As Long >> Dim strFName As String >> Dim fdate As Date >> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset >> Dim lngCount As Long >> Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") >> strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename >> > "" >> rs.AddNew >> rs!FileName = strFilename >> rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & >> strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 >> strFilename = Dir$ >> Wend >> rs.Close >> Set re = Nothing >> GetPhotos = lngCount >> End Function >> >> Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the >> data, manually or with VBA. >> >> On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> >>> >>> Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the >>> redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have >>> volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a >>> director's cut. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding >>> many) is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then >>> display by date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time >>> stamp, the pictures of like places and times are now grouped >>> together. >>> >>> >>> >>> So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, >>> and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a >>> bit of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do >>> a final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any >>> in a different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between >>> RR00020 and RR00030. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from >>> the web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all >>> be done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name >>> order, not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir >>> command to do that. >>> >>> >>> >>> MTIA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Smolin >>> >>> Beach Access Software >>> >>> 760-683-5777 >>> >>> www.bchacc.com >>> >>> www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> Skype: rocky.smolin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at outlook.com Fri Jul 28 14:56:02 2017 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 19:56:02 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: <060701d3073c$5a125760$0e370620$@bchacc.com> References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> <060701d3073c$5a125760$0e370620$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, It's been years since I looked into this file ... In the module named DeCorrupter Code change the Function named DestinationFileAlreadyExists to this: '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Function DestinationFileAlreadyExists() As Boolean 1 On Error GoTo EH Dim fso As Object Dim stgPrompt As String Dim fil As File 2 Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") 3 If fso.FileExists(MstgDestinationFullPath) Then 4 If fso.FileExists(Replace(MstgDestinationFullPath, ".mdb", ".ldb")) Then '-- If an .ldb file exists then the ...TEXT.mdb file is probably open 5 stgPrompt = "The file " & MstgDestinationFullPath & " appears to be open." _ & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "You must close it before continuing." 6 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Destination File Is Open" 7 DestinationFileAlreadyExists = True 8 Exit Function 9 ElseIf fso.FileExists(Replace(MstgDestinationFullPath, ".accdb", ".laccdb")) Then '-- If an .laccdb file exists then the ...TEXT.accdb file is probably open 10 stgPrompt = "The file " & MstgDestinationFullPath & " appears to be open." _ & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "You must close it before continuing." 11 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Destination File Is Open" 12 DestinationFileAlreadyExists = True 13 Exit Function 14 Else 15 Set fil = fso.GetFile(MstgDestinationFullPath) 16 fil.Attributes = 0 17 fso.DeleteFile MstgDestinationFullPath, True 18 End If 19 End If 20 Set fso = Nothing 21 Exit Function EH: 22 DoCmd.Hourglass False 23 stgPrompt = "ERROR: DestinationFileAlreadyExists" & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "Line: " & Erl & vbNewLine _ & "Number: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _ & "Description: " & Err.Description 24 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, GstgProcessName & " Error" 25 Stop End Function '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope this will solve it. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 19:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I don't think so. Doesn't appear to be. It gets created when I start the export, yes? R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Is the file actually open? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 14:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I did but ran into a bug - The file C:\Clients\AHI\AHI_FE-1229-DecorrupterTEXT.accdb appears to be open. You must close it before continuing. What am I doing wrong? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 28 15:53:11 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:53:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects In-Reply-To: References: <053701d306e3$aa58de50$ff0a9af0$@bchacc.com> <057f01d306fe$33135080$9939f180$@bchacc.com> <05bc01d3070c$9edc0e20$dc942a60$@bchacc.com> <060701d3073c$5a125760$0e370620$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <00a101d307e3$86667ab0$93337010$@bchacc.com> No good deed goes unpunished. :) I'll do it and let you know. R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:56 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, It's been years since I looked into this file ... In the module named DeCorrupter Code change the Function named DestinationFileAlreadyExists to this: '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Function DestinationFileAlreadyExists() As Boolean 1 On Error GoTo EH Dim fso As Object Dim stgPrompt As String Dim fil As File 2 Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") 3 If fso.FileExists(MstgDestinationFullPath) Then 4 If fso.FileExists(Replace(MstgDestinationFullPath, ".mdb", ".ldb")) Then '-- If an .ldb file exists then the ...TEXT.mdb file is probably open 5 stgPrompt = "The file " & MstgDestinationFullPath & " appears to be open." _ & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "You must close it before continuing." 6 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Destination File Is Open" 7 DestinationFileAlreadyExists = True 8 Exit Function 9 ElseIf fso.FileExists(Replace(MstgDestinationFullPath, ".accdb", ".laccdb")) Then '-- If an .laccdb file exists then the ...TEXT.accdb file is probably open 10 stgPrompt = "The file " & MstgDestinationFullPath & " appears to be open." _ & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "You must close it before continuing." 11 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Destination File Is Open" 12 DestinationFileAlreadyExists = True 13 Exit Function 14 Else 15 Set fil = fso.GetFile(MstgDestinationFullPath) 16 fil.Attributes = 0 17 fso.DeleteFile MstgDestinationFullPath, True 18 End If 19 End If 20 Set fso = Nothing 21 Exit Function EH: 22 DoCmd.Hourglass False 23 stgPrompt = "ERROR: DestinationFileAlreadyExists" & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _ & "Line: " & Erl & vbNewLine _ & "Number: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _ & "Description: " & Err.Description 24 MsgBox stgPrompt, vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, GstgProcessName & " Error" 25 Stop End Function '--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope this will solve it. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 19:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I don't think so. Doesn't appear to be. It gets created when I start the export, yes? R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Is the file actually open? -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 14:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I did but ran into a bug - The file C:\Clients\AHI\AHI_FE-1229-DecorrupterTEXT.accdb appears to be open. You must close it before continuing. What am I doing wrong? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Hi Rocky, Looks like you can download it from http://www.camcopng.com/decorrupter. Enjoy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: July 27, 2017 12:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Woo-hoo! Thank you. Please send to rocky.smolin at bchacc.com. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects I do and it's now called the DeCorrupter! But someone put a copy on their website to make it easily available for downloading and I don't remember who that was. If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll send it off-line. Dan -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack drawbridge Sent: July 27, 2017 10:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export/Import all Objects Rocky, I'm not positive, but , as I recall, Dan Waters had a routine (originally called EatBloat or similar) that would do a save as text of all objects and had option to do a Load From text. I repeat I'm not positive. Good luck. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > I have an application where the forms are all hosed up on screen resizing. > I > tried Peter's Shrinker Stretcher but it didn't solve the problem. > > > > I remember a thread on the list in the past about exporting all the > objects to text and then reimporting them into a new database as a way > to solve some corruption problems. I'd like to try that but can't > remember exactly how to go about it. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction for that? > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 31 22:45:19 2017 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:45:19 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access files by date In-Reply-To: <012501d306e6$88f1f780$9ad5e680$@gmail.com> References: <010701d30436$5d161630$17424290$@bchacc.com> <012501d306e6$88f1f780$9ad5e680$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <038101d30a78$98798390$c96c8ab0$@bchacc.com> Bob: Are you still interested in the sort-photos-by-date-and-rename program? I can send it to you with or without the phone consult. Not the version that I first posted but the one that really works off the photo taken date in the jpg header. Best, R -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:42 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access files by date Great solution. I have a need that this will work for as well. Thx Bob Heygood -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Cc: 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access files by date I'd create a table to store all the filenames and dates with whatever other fields you need for new filenames, comments or whatever. Then a simple function: Function GetPhotos() As Long Dim strFName As String Dim fdate As Date Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim lngCount As Long Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblPhotos") strFilename = Dir$(CurrentProject.payh & "\*.jpg") While strFilename > "" rs.AddNew rs!FileName = strFilename rs!Filedate = fdate = FileDateTime(CurrentProject.Path & "\" & strFilename) rs.Update lngCount = lngCount + 1 strFilename = Dir$ Wend rs.Close Set re = Nothing GetPhotos = lngCount End Function Once you have then in the table you can do anything you want with the data, manually or with VBA. On 23 Jul 2017 at 21:36, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > > > Having just returned from a 5 day 250 mile bike trek through the > redwoods of northern California with a group of 0 guys, I have > volunteered to assemble everyone's pictures and edit them down to a > director's cut. > > > > What I have done after editing all their photos (and discarding many) > is put everyone's pictures in one folder which I can then display by > date. Since everyone (hopefully) has a correct date time stamp, the > pictures of like places and times are now grouped together. > > > > So now I would like to loop through these picture in date sequence, > and rename them RR00010, RR00020, RR0030, etc. so I can then do a bit > of rearranging by changing file names. Once that's done I can do a > final cull of the pictures and, if I need to manually insert any in a > different place I can do it - like RR00025 would go between RR00020 > and RR00030. > > > > I'm having a little though, trouble extracting this solution from the > web. Can someone point me in the right direction? Can this all be > done with FSO? My first attempt retrieved the pics in file name order, > not date/time order. And don't see a way using the Dir command to do > that. > > > > MTIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com