From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct  5 04:36:19 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 09:36:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ISO 4217 Currency Codes
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Should you need to maintain a table of current currency codes, I recently published an article:

    ISO 4217 Currency Codes in VBA
    https://www.experts-exchange.com/posts/5410/ISO-4217-Currency-Codes-in-VBA-Should-you-need-to.html

It demonstrates two sources:

  *   ISO itself (the definitive source)
  *   Currency Converter API

Of course, a demo is included.

/gustav

From accesspro at cox.net  Sun Oct  7 22:11:03 2018
From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:11:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
Message-ID: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Oct  7 22:42:27 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 03:42:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From accesspro at cox.net  Sun Oct  7 23:29:56 2018
From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:29:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
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To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......

This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
 'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True

None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
    strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True


tia

bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 00:07:52 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:07:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
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Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.

I suggest you make the file name in a string variable
strFileName = "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
& strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"

Then take a look at it
MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"

Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
file names.

Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.

HTH


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......

This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
 'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True

None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
    strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True


tia

bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  8 01:41:55 2018
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 07:41:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
	<006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94Yv-ncpBpYvpEV_9MC1r31M0R-6UAuoSNtxE3GPN_WOw@mail.gmail.com>

I had problems with some code a while back & creating Excel files, try
replacing any spaces you are creating in the new file names with
underscores.

Paul

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018, 06:08 Rocky Smolin, <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.
>
> I suggest you make the file name in a string variable
> strFileName = "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod
> "
> & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
>
> Then take a look at it
> MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"
>
> Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
> violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
> file names.
>
> Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel
> file......
>
> This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
>  'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
> Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True
>
> None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
> strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
> DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
>     strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True
>
>
> tia
>
> bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
> Collins
> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> Any chance you can post the relevant code segment?
>
> You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going
> on.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
> export my data.
> What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
> unique file name.
> When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
> I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
> Maybe not possible with this method ??
>
> TIA
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Oct  8 04:49:52 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:49:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB166746B20EBB862D9CD2BAFEFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, The "strDateToday" would be a chief suspect here.  You are likely better off using DATESERIAL to turn the date into something file name friendly such as YYYYMMDD (20181008 for example).

You might already be doing this, but if you could give us a debug.print of the export string as VBA see it, we are likely to find the issue on this one.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 3:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......

This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
 'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True

None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX, "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
    strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True


tia

bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 05:47:43 2018
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 11:47:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAPcrjfZm5FZLjmtVDJeTtyABAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Space (as in " PayPeriod ") or special chars in the name means you have to bound
the fullname in "
And as the entry is a text stream, that would probably be doubled " at the start
and end 

JimB  

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 6:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.

I suggest you make the file name in a string variable
strFileName = "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
& strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"

Then take a look at it
MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"

Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
file names.

Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.

HTH


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......

This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
 'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True

None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
    strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True


tia

bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From accesspro at cox.net  Mon Oct  8 11:39:05 2018
From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:39:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
	<006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <034b01d45f25$6d7d64b0$48782e10$@cox.net>

All,
Yes Access did not like my concatenation. Not sure if it was the slashes or
spaces. 
OutputTo is working well now providing me a new file each time.
I guess that is one of the differences between OutputTo and
TransferSpreadsheet methods....

Thanks Again,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 10:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.

I suggest you make the file name in a string variable strFileName =
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
& strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"

Then take a look at it
MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"

Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
file names.

Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.

HTH


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......

This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
 'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True

None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
"C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
    strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True


tia

bob


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 

You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
export my data.
What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
unique file name.
When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
Maybe not possible with this method ??

TIA

Bob



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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 14:12:36 2018
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:12:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <034b01d45f25$6d7d64b0$48782e10$@cox.net>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>
	<ME1PR01MB1667F1E3225BCB9F79C1AFAFFCE60@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<032f01d45ebf$90d9bbe0$b28d33a0$@cox.net>
	<006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>
	<034b01d45f25$6d7d64b0$48782e10$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_21jV+LDx8bN-ADmDiKJY4Cw5C9eoTY7NhBFCqpnszrOA@mail.gmail.com>

I always store Excel templates in an attachment field in a table in my
Access databases. When I need to export recordsets to Excel, I spool the
file out to disk from the recordset2 type recordset (Attachment field), and
automate Excel to open the file and put data into it. I find this extremely
fast and portable and I am not reliant on any naming conflicts. I even run
the macro code in the excel templates from Access, knowing Access has 100%
ownership of an Excel instance and the file it needs to work with. Peachy!

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:40 PM <accesspro at cox.net> wrote:

> All,
> Yes Access did not like my concatenation. Not sure if it was the slashes or
> spaces.
> OutputTo is working well now providing me a new file each time.
> I guess that is one of the differences between OutputTo and
> TransferSpreadsheet methods....
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 10:08 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.
>
> I suggest you make the file name in a string variable strFileName =
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
> & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
>
> Then take a look at it
> MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"
>
> Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
> violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
> file names.
>
> Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel
> file......
>
> This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
>  'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
> Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True
>
> None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
> strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
> DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
>     strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True
>
>
> tia
>
> bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
> Collins
> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> Any chance you can post the relevant code segment?
>
> You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going
> on.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
>
> I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
> export my data.
> What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
> unique file name.
> When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
> I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
> Maybe not possible with this method ??
>
> TIA
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct  8 14:42:03 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 05:42:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAPcrjfZm5FZLjmtVDJeTtyABAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>,
	<006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAPcrjfZm5FZLjmtVDJeTtyABAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5BBBB30B.3976.7C3EBEC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yes, the spaces after "...TimeOutput" and "PayPeriod" mean that the whole string needs to 
be passed surrounded by double quotes.

 strFileName = """" & "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
 & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx" & """"

(Also as pointed out in a previous post, you need to avoid any "/"'s in strDateToday.


On 8 Oct 2018 at 11:47, James Button via AccessD wrote:

> Space (as in " PayPeriod ") or special chars in the name means you have to bound
> the fullname in "
> And as the entry is a text stream, that would probably be doubled " at the start
> and end 
> 
> JimB  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 6:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
> 
> Might be something wrong with your appends to make the file name.
> 
> I suggest you make the file name in a string variable
> strFileName = "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod "
> & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
> 
> Then take a look at it
> MsgBox "*: & strFileName & "*"
> 
> Maybe you'll see something there that the OS doesn't like.  Something that
> violates the file naming conventions, like one of a forbidden character for
> file names.
> 
> Maybe it's in strDateToday. File name can't have |,?,:,*,",>,<,\,or /.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> www.bchacc.com
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 9:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
> 
> To be clear the method works, just not able to create a new excel file......
> 
> This Works as long as I have the excel file in the folder:
>  'DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "tblTimeCard", "C:\A-Best
> Systems\TimeOutput.xlsx", True
> 
> None of these will work. I guess because the file does not exist:
> DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays", acFormatXLSX,
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & strDateToday & " PayPeriod " &
> strJobPeriod & ".xlsx"
> DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, 10, "qryOutputOldLargeReorderDays",
> "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " & _
>     strDateToday & " PayPeriod " & strJobPeriod & ".xlsx", True
> 
> 
> tia
> 
> bob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Darryl
> Collins
> Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 8:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
> 
> Any chance you can post the relevant code segment? 
> 
> You should be able to do this seamlessly so curious to see what is going on.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Monday, 8 October 2018 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
> 
> I am using the transfer spreadsheet method and am able to successfully
> export my data.
> What would be a bonus is for me to create a new excel file each time with a
> unique file name.
> When I include such vba code, I get an error "Not a valid file name".
> I want to NOT use my existing "template" excel file.
> Maybe not possible with this method ??
> 
> TIA
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  8 15:33:31 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:33:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <5BBBB30B.3976.7C3EBEC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <032c01d45eb4$8c6a2dc0$a53e8940$@cox.net>,
	<006e01d45ec4$ddcc6d30$99654790$@bchacc.com>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAPcrjfZm5FZLjmtVDJeTtyABAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>,
	<5BBBB30B.3976.7C3EBEC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0761F4F4D120178ACB87E72FCAE60@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Stuart

No, it is not always necessary. I checked out the offending code, and it worked with no problems right away - given a date string of "20181008".
I assumed slashes had been used which, of course, will doom the code to fail - as already noted by Rocky.

/gustav

_________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sendt: 8. oktober 2018 21:42
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Transfer Spreadsheet

Yes, the spaces after "...TimeOutput" and "PayPeriod" mean that the whole string needs to
be passed surrounded by double quotes.

 strFileName = """" &amp; "C:\A-Best Systems\TimeOutput " &amp; strDateToday &amp; " PayPeriod "
 &amp; strJobPeriod &amp; ".xlsx" &amp; """"

(Also as pointed out in a previous post, you need to avoid any "/"'s in strDateToday.


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Mon Oct 15 13:48:30 2018
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:48:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin


From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Mon Oct 15 13:57:14 2018
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:57:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>

Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.


Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct 15 14:30:13 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:30:13 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d464bd$7ebf9bb0$7c3ed310$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Rocky,

Put me down for $30.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 7:49 a.m.
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):

The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.

Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.

So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.

Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A

But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.

Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.

I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.

And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}

I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.

But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.

So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.

So let us hear from you.

If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.

OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)

You?


Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
www.bchacc.com
www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin





From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Oct 15 15:50:05 2018
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:50:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d464c8$a79fc6d0$f6df5470$@de>

Hi Rocky,

Put me down for $30.

Regards

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Bryan Carbonnell
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2018 20:49
An: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Oct 15 17:29:40 2018
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK Robinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:29:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <001b01d464c8$a79fc6d0$f6df5470$@de>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<001b01d464c8$a79fc6d0$f6df5470$@de>
Message-ID: <AM4PR08MB28343A43E60F9C6F224FD98CD2FD0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky

I didn't get your original mail - don't know why - might be worth sending it out again in case others didn't either ...

I've effectively been retired for more than ten years, but had great times with Access - SQL Server too.  A bit preoccupied recently fighting off two lots of cancer - so far so good.  ?

Put me down for fifty bucks if you need it - whatever that is in GBP - my pension can stand it!  May be a delay while I'm away, but will be around in November.

Best of luck, and good wishes to all.

John

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Helmut Kotsch <hkotsch at arcor.de>
Sent: 15 October 2018 20:50
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

Put me down for $30.

Regards

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Bryan Carbonnell
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2018 20:49
An: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484178421&amp;sdata=HFJ%2BvJbDxjvhISY1qEDrJuaf71k8f%2FKKJXrXCX7MQbA%3D&amp;reserved=0



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.bchacc.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&amp;sdata=Ilbi23fji32DVreTRLpULfWeAcS0w%2FVSRfJk4F37s0w%3D&amp;reserved=0

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 18:35:39 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 16:35:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR08MB28343A43E60F9C6F224FD98CD2FD0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<001b01d464c8$a79fc6d0$f6df5470$@de>
	<AM4PR08MB28343A43E60F9C6F224FD98CD2FD0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003901d464df$c85debb0$5919c310$@bchacc.com>

Thanks Dik.  I'll forward your email to Bryan who has the membership lists. The PayPal link will be available for a while. 

Best,

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky

I didn't get your original mail - don't know why - might be worth sending it out again in case others didn't either ...

I've effectively been retired for more than ten years, but had great times with Access - SQL Server too.  A bit preoccupied recently fighting off two lots of cancer - so far so good.  ?

Put me down for fifty bucks if you need it - whatever that is in GBP - my pension can stand it!  May be a delay while I'm away, but will be around in November.

Best of luck, and good wishes to all.

John

________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Helmut Kotsch <hkotsch at arcor.de>
Sent: 15 October 2018 20:50
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

Put me down for $30.

Regards

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Bryan Carbonnell
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2018 20:49
An: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484178421&amp;sdata=HFJ%2BvJbDxjvhISY1qEDrJuaf71k8f%2FKKJXrXCX7MQbA%3D&amp;reserved=0



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.bchacc.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&amp;sdata=Ilbi23fji32DVreTRLpULfWeAcS0w%2FVSRfJk4F37s0w%3D&amp;reserved=0

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From accesspro at cox.net  Mon Oct 15 21:45:44 2018
From: accesspro at cox.net (accesspro at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:45:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <nusD1y0260xgD8Z01usEw9>
References: <nusD1y0260xgD8Z01usEw9>
Message-ID: <000001d464fa$55c3bd80$014b3880$@cox.net>

Done by Pay Pal

Bob Heygood



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 21:58:13 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:58:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <000001d464fa$55c3bd80$014b3880$@cox.net>
References: <nusD1y0260xgD8Z01usEw9> <000001d464fa$55c3bd80$014b3880$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <007e01d464fc$14c77860$3e566920$@bchacc.com>

Thank you Bob!!

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of accesspro at cox.net
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Done by Pay Pal

Bob Heygood



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 00:17:44 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:17:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <007e01d464fc$14c77860$3e566920$@bchacc.com>
References: <000001d464fa$55c3bd80$014b3880$@cox.net>
	<007e01d464fc$14c77860$3e566920$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM99P887DYgtrUHWvUnEwDrzONnq9wpvbeDwB87zF1hCpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky, Bryan and other list masters

Sent AUD$50 = US$34.50 right now via PayPal

And a big thank u to the collective brain power of these lists - many times
a life saver and a source of inspiration.

/borge





On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 12:59 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> Thank you Bob!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> accesspro at cox.net
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:46 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Done by Pay Pal
>
> Bob Heygood
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:49 AM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by
> Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the
> plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group,
> trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it
> be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30
> at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we
> can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I
> don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 06:52:55 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:52:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
Message-ID: <230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a 
wheel.? Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> .
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 10:12:10 2018
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:12:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 10:34:49 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:34:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d46565$c67e1140$537a33c0$@bchacc.com>

I get that sometimes with Firefox because I've locked it down pretty much re: tracking, ad blocking, cookies, etc.  When that happens, I use another browser like Edge and it usually works.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a 
wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> .
>

-- 
John W. Colby

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 10:42:24 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:42:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>

Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover this year and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)

R




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bill_patten at outlook.com  Tue Oct 16 12:37:42 2018
From: bill_patten at outlook.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:37:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rocky,

Perhaps I miss read the earlier request, I thought you were waiting for 
enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my #25

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover this year 
and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)

R




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by 
> Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying 
> to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it 
> be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling 
> the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still 
> pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we 
> can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 13:12:07 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 11:12:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>	<005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>
	<BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01d4657b$c04a8900$40df9b00$@bchacc.com>

Thank you, Bill. You are correct.  We made it and we're well on our way to covering a second year.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

Perhaps I miss read the earlier request, I thought you were waiting for 
enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my #25

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover this year 
and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)

R




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by 
> Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying 
> to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it 
> be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling 
> the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still 
> pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we 
> can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Oct 16 13:57:46 2018
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:57:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiUzaT0+_O=VjVfqCd+U50TqCbZ8Vec6BLWZWK1qcCEcN7yDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't do too much Access stuff any more, but donated 25.00 because this
list has certainly helped me in the past. Thanks to all who keep this
resource going.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:53 PM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Larry Mrazek
lmrazek at lcm-res.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 16 15:47:53 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:47:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <701023840.79580161.1539722873090.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a 
wheel.? Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> .
>

-- 
John W. Colby

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 15:53:27 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:53:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <701023840.79580161.1539722873090.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
	<701023840.79580161.1539722873090.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00d801d46592$4a0acf40$de206dc0$@bchacc.com>

Worked for me.  Try a different browser.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a 
wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> .
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 16 16:29:07 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:29:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>,
	<BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5BC65823.15481.EF12E6D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's the way I read it to,  so I haven't made my contribution yet.
Will do so shortly.

On 16 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Bill Patten wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
> 
> Perhaps I miss read the earlier request, I thought you were waiting
> for enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know. Based
> on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my #25
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
> 
> Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover
> this year and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM To: Access
> Developers discussion and problem Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia
> - Database Advisors Funding Drive
> 
> I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
> $10.00 per month if you prefer to set it up like that.
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
> listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear List(s):
> >
> >
> >
> > The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
> >
> >
> >
> > Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which
> > we?re running out of. So we need some.
> >
> >
> >
> > So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors
> > running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years
> > after that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the
> > messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute
> > dough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id
> > =SGVT87NEVPU9A
> >
> >
> >
> > But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate
> > some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in
> > raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes
> > for lack of a few bucks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we
> > decide to pull the trigger.
> >
> >
> >
> > I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA - when it was hosted
> > by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to
> > pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through
> > a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
> >
> >
> >
> > And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates
> > and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some
> > tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD
> > was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless
> > volunteers.}
> >
> >
> >
> > I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so
> > (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a
> > question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that
> > some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And
> > those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years?
> > Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad
> > times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other
> > in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
> >
> >
> >
> > But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as
> > the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they
> > still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
> >
> >
> >
> > So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much
> > we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we
> > can?t...well I don?t want to think about that.
> >
> >
> >
> > So let us hear from you.
> >
> >
> >
> > If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you
> > each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
> >
> >
> >
> > OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450
> > more (see how easy that was?)
> >
> >
> >
> > You?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> >
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > 760-683-5777
> >
> > www.bchacc.com
> >
> > www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 16:47:18 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:47:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <701023840.79580161.1539722873090.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
	<701023840.79580161.1539722873090.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB22015FAF426D4B0F33A38AAFD8FE0@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.? Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

--
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Tue Oct 16 18:37:28 2018
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:37:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <00bf01d4657b$c04a8900$40df9b00$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>	<005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>	<BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00bf01d4657b$c04a8900$40df9b00$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <000401d465a9$3463c860$9d2b5920$@de>

Hi Rocky,

I also thought you were waiting for enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my $ 30.00 with PayPal.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2018 20:12
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you, Bill. You are correct.  We made it and we're well on our way to covering a second year.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

Perhaps I miss read the earlier request, I thought you were waiting for 
enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my #25

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover this year 
and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)

R




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by 
> Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying 
> to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it 
> be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling 
> the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still 
> pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we 
> can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 21:38:08 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:38:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <000401d465a9$3463c860$9d2b5920$@de>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met9ZCq5CejS1y=t1Rq1T+8Y+bJKw5p9Mh3YhUjrwLAhcxg@mail.gmail.com>	<005301d46566$d5975000$80c5f000$@bchacc.com>	<BL0PR16MB2420775B83D1D8495B4C2BE992FE0@BL0PR16MB2420.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<00bf01d4657b$c04a8900$40df9b00$@bchacc.com>
	<000401d465a9$3463c860$9d2b5920$@de>
Message-ID: <013101d465c2$72aa4810$57fed830$@bchacc.com>

Thanks Helmut.  A message is going out tonight or tomorrow (depends on John's availability) saying we met the pledge goal.  

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

I also thought you were waiting for enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my $ 30.00 with PayPal.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2018 20:12
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you, Bill. You are correct.  We made it and we're well on our way to covering a second year.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Hi Rocky,

Perhaps I miss read the earlier request, I thought you were waiting for 
enough commitments to reach the goal and then let us know.
Based on this message I guessed we made it so I sent my #25

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Thank you so much Charlotte.  I think we will have enough to cover this year 
and maybe next year as well. That said, more is better.  :)

R




-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated 100.00 through the paypal link.  I would be happy to pledge
$10.00 per
month if you prefer to set it up like that.

Charlotte

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 11:52 AM Bryan Carbonnell <
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by 
> Memphis
> Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and
> suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying 
> to
> salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it 
> be
> that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at
> night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling 
> the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still 
> pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we 
> can
> count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t
> want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 17 05:14:02 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:14:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rates and Currency Conversion
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0761516969D6FCC8ACC569EECAFF0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

This is my newest article:

    Exchange Rates and Currency Conversion in VBA
    https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33199/Exchange-Rates-and-Currency-Conversion-in-VBA.html

When converting amounts between different currencies, you need exchange rates. This article demonstrates how to obtain these from no less than nine different sources, either for free or - for intense or demanding use - for a fee.

Code is also on GitHub: 

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.CurrencyExchange

Note, that web scraping is also demonstrated (The Central Bank of the Russian Federation), and the XE service is been included, though only a seven-day trial is for free usage.

/gustav



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 07:40:57 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:40:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - UPDATE Database Advisors Funding Drive
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWHohNShnNv56Y8ZMZ6VE9MWDkZLnUqbiX44u00W0vWPRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List(s):

The finance committee (formed just now) would like to express their
gratitude at the generosity of the members of Database Advisors.  Through
your pledges (which I trust will become contributions today) you have
guaranteed the continuing presence of the Lists, and valued the help and
advice we all receive.

If you have not pledged or contributed yet, but are one of those people who
are susceptible to moral suasion, don?t fight it.  The PayPal site will be
waiting for you at
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A
.

For those of you who can?t or won?t use PayPal, you can send a check to me,
made out to Rocky Smolin and I will deposit it and make the corresponding
contribution at the PayPal site.  Send the check to:

Rocky Smolin
1014 Tulip Way
Carlsbad, California 92011

Again, to each of you who have pledged and/or paid, you have solved in a
day what could have been an awkward problem and assured the uninterrupted
presence of Database Advisors.

Your Finance Committee (all of whom are finding out at this moment that
they are on a Finance Committee)(which will teach them not to miss the
meetings),

Susan, John, Keith, Bryan, and Rocky

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct 17 08:45:43 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:45:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
Message-ID: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>


 I just tried and had problems too ("www.databaseadvisors.com took too long to respond" after authorizing in PayPal).

 I'm going to wait a couple of days to make sure it really didn't post.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 17 10:16:13 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:16:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>
References: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002b01d4662c$580bceb0$08236c10$@bchacc.com>

I had the same experience.  The PayPal thing most likely went through (mine did) but then the PayPal site redirects to dba and that's where the problem is.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive


 I just tried and had problems too ("www.databaseadvisors.com took too long to respond" after authorizing in PayPal).

 I'm going to wait a couple of days to make sure it really didn't post.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Oct 17 10:27:22 2018
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:27:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <002b01d4662c$580bceb0$08236c10$@bchacc.com>
References: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>
	<002b01d4662c$580bceb0$08236c10$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d4662d$e7801780$b6804680$@de>

I had no problem whatsoever. Just hope the money arrives at DB-advisors.

Helmut  

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2018 17:16
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I had the same experience.  The PayPal thing most likely went through (mine did) but then the PayPal site redirects to dba and that's where the problem is.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive


 I just tried and had problems too ("www.databaseadvisors.com took too long to respond" after authorizing in PayPal).

 I'm going to wait a couple of days to make sure it really didn't post.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

--
John W. Colby

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 17 10:31:16 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:31:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <000c01d4662d$e7801780$b6804680$@de>
References: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>	<002b01d4662c$580bceb0$08236c10$@bchacc.com>
	<000c01d4662d$e7801780$b6804680$@de>
Message-ID: <004a01d4662e$736bf250$5a43d6f0$@bchacc.com>

Check your credit card or PayPal account on line.  You should see the debit.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I had no problem whatsoever. Just hope the money arrives at DB-advisors.

Helmut  

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Rocky Smolin
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2018 17:16
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I had the same experience.  The PayPal thing most likely went through (mine did) but then the PayPal site redirects to dba and that's where the problem is.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive


 I just tried and had problems too ("www.databaseadvisors.com took too long to respond" after authorizing in PayPal).

 I'm going to wait a couple of days to make sure it really didn't post.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get 

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>

--
John W. Colby

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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Oct 17 10:42:44 2018
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK Robinson)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:42:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR08MB28342B4ECBAAEE56A2DC05D9D2FF0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <035601d4661f$b35fdb10$1a1f9130$@verizon.net>,
	<AM4PR08MB28342B4ECBAAEE56A2DC05D9D2FF0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AM4PR08MB283432BFBB7FB402E78A5873D2FF0@AM4PR08MB2834.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Works fine here in UK with Chrome on Win10.
John
________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: 17 October 2018 13:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive


 I just tried and had problems too ("https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.databaseadvisors.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C2d173888ede748fbea1708d634372de1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636753808927632636&amp;sdata=NDivgj%2F8NMeIFJ5A7scnrzXZ5lt2g0d%2BV1CTtFc05K8%3D&amp;reserved=0 took too long to respond" after authorizing in PayPal).

 I'm going to wait a couple of days to make sure it really didn't post.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Often times clearing the browser cache may alleviate that. Press: Ctrl-Shift-Delete and clean it up :-)

If that doesn't work dust off one of your windows computers and try it on that ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I just get

"Something went wrong We're sorry your first try didn't work out. This could just be a temporary glitch."

Tried three times???

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "RANDALL R ANTHONY" <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.  Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure-web.cisco.com%2F10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C2d173888ede748fbea1708d634372de1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636753808927632636&amp;sdata=b8VvYmgD08co2c1AXEGKMu3mOm%2BSCmlTizwlpT5sa%2FA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
<--- snip--->

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Oct 19 00:09:33 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:09:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB16672AB629CFAADFE0DAFE3BFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Greetings Rocky (and all list members).
$30 USD done.  
That is the least I can do given how many hours you folks have saved me and everything I have learnt over the years.
Thank you.

Kind regards
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.


Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Oct 19 00:10:24 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:10:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB16674794045A25634E1B31B2FCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Maybe you have given enough already John - your classes on 'classes' would be worth any payment alone.
Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.? Forever.

jwcolby

On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates 
> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless 
> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  
> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more 
> (see how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
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>

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Oct 19 00:11:44 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:11:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rates and Currency Conversion
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0761516969D6FCC8ACC569EECAFF0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761516969D6FCC8ACC569EECAFF0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB1667C4A8081FC2D7E3DAE7FEFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Despite being in Oz, I do have a US domiciled credit card and bank account, which is handy for situation like this ?



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Exchange Rates and Currency Conversion

Hi all

This is my newest article:

    Exchange Rates and Currency Conversion in VBA
    https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33199/Exchange-Rates-and-Currency-Conversion-in-VBA.html

When converting amounts between different currencies, you need exchange rates. This article demonstrates how to obtain these from no less than nine different sources, either for free or - for intense or demanding use - for a fee.

Code is also on GitHub: 

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.CurrencyExchange

Note, that web scraping is also demonstrated (The Central Bank of the Russian Federation), and the XE service is been included, though only a seven-day trial is for free usage.

/gustav


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 00:12:53 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:12:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <ME1PR01MB16672AB629CFAADFE0DAFE3BFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<ME1PR01MB16672AB629CFAADFE0DAFE3BFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <01ab01d4676a$63cef990$2b6cecb0$@bchacc.com>

Mil gracias.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Greetings Rocky (and all list members).
$30 USD done.  
That is the least I can do given how many hours you folks have saved me and everything I have learnt over the years.
Thank you.

Kind regards
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.


Dear List(s):



The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.



Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.



So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.



Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.



https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A



But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.



Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.



I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.



And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}



I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.



But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.



So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.



So let us hear from you.



If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.



OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?)



You?




Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

www.bchacc.com

www.e-z-mrp.com

Skype: rocky.smolin

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 09:30:32 2018
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:30:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <01ab01d4676a$63cef990$2b6cecb0$@bchacc.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<ME1PR01MB16672AB629CFAADFE0DAFE3BFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<01ab01d4676a$63cef990$2b6cecb0$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3AVyNpOj4FSSZZ9HNXXmcCCpCP_03V_MuDYrOZvTzcQg@mail.gmail.com>

I donated $10, which I think is a good starting point for everyone until we
hear differently, ie, too much or too little has been collected.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:13 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Mil gracias.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Darryl Collins
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Greetings Rocky (and all list members).
> $30 USD done.
> That is the least I can do given how many hours you folks have saved me
> and everything I have learnt over the years.
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of RANDALL
> R ANTHONY via AccessD
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network.
> Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to
> spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by
> Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the
> plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group,
> trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it
> be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30
> at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we
> can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I
> don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 11:23:36 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:23:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3AVyNpOj4FSSZZ9HNXXmcCCpCP_03V_MuDYrOZvTzcQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>	<ME1PR01MB16672AB629CFAADFE0DAFE3BFCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>	<01ab01d4676a$63cef990$2b6cecb0$@bchacc.com>
	<CAJLzs_3AVyNpOj4FSSZZ9HNXXmcCCpCP_03V_MuDYrOZvTzcQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020901d467c8$16b57d60$44207820$@bchacc.com>

Thanks Bill.  Any contribution is welcomed. As I said in my first letter if 50 people kicked in $10 each the problem would be solved. At the end of the week we will post the results of the campaign.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Benson
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

I donated $10, which I think is a good starting point for everyone until we
hear differently, ie, too much or too little has been collected.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:13 AM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Mil gracias.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Darryl Collins
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 10:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Greetings Rocky (and all list members).
> $30 USD done.
> That is the least I can do given how many hours you folks have saved me
> and everything I have learnt over the years.
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of RANDALL
> R ANTHONY via AccessD
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network.
> Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to
> spam_team at sentara.com.
>
>
> Dear List(s):
>
>
>
> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>
>
>
> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re
> running out of. So we need some.
>
>
>
> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running
> for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>
>
>
> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy
> details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>
>
>
>
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHRq44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg_nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1DVN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>
>
>
> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real
> bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you
> need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>
>
>
> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to
> pull the trigger.
>
>
>
> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by
> Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the
> plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group,
> trying to salvage AccessD.
>
>
>
> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and
> everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on
> the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.  And they?re
> still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>
>
>
> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it
> be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30
> at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or
> Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have
> been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have
> never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the
> drain.
>
>
>
> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the
> popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull
> my chestnuts out of the fire.
>
>
>
> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we
> can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I
> don?t want to think about that.
>
>
>
> So let us hear from you.
>
>
>
> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each
> putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>
>
>
> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see
> how easy that was?)
>
>
>
> You?
>
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 760-683-5777
>
> www.bchacc.com
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>
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>
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>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 07:12:08 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:12:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
In-Reply-To: <ME1PR01MB16674794045A25634E1B31B2FCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
	<230de5e7-ea14-8a0e-2c3c-fdf7e7f0fb47@Gmail.com>
	<ME1PR01MB16674794045A25634E1B31B2FCF90@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
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ROTFL.? Thinking back to 1997 when the original AccessD suddenly, 
without warning, DIED.? Someone figured out who the original owner was 
(how to get ahold of him) and arranged for us to take it over.

Good times have flowed ever since.


On 10/19/2018 1:10 AM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Maybe you have given enough already John - your classes on 'classes' would be worth any payment alone.
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>
> Just an FYI, for whatever reason when I click the link it just spins a wheel.? Forever.
>
> jwcolby
>
> On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD wrote:
>> Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of
>> Bryan Carbonnell
>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:49 PM
>> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
>>
>> Notice: This email originated outside the Sentara Healthcare network. Beware of links and attachments. Forward suspicious emails to spam_team at sentara.com.
>>
>>
>> Dear List(s):
>>
>>
>>
>> The time has come to have a serious talk.  About money.
>>
>>
>>
>> Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money.  Which we?re running out of. So we need some.
>>
>>
>>
>> So here?s the deal.  We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year.  Less than that for the next few years after that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/10kkrtwFw_mEn8fl-DTuTYfX6GFRWtA-DotszDYHR
>> q44pJgOdHxNf7ByED5jah_UNZq8Stnf8KZeWff8-ouyT2_r_Z4p6-Tgf1AA9z6B8V6o-ro
>> 4VUuZvxU-RnDuYzQqbW9PLRyUkl780p5GBJ3UQJQVu3IMGvMyCbaOwyWB8r88cm_Grgfmg
>> _nbZjSo0KVlrTt_tKrvIX5_SP2c3RJftwNCeRjhQMYUhijUJ3u0SXSH9lEXZaqgj5G3H1D
>> VN4unV/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xcli
>> ck%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A
>>
>>
>>
>> But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause.  After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger.
>>
>>
>>
>> I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD.
>>
>>
>>
>> And we did it.  DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates
>> and everything.  A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless
>> work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved.
>> And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.}
>>
>>
>>
>> I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question.  And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births.  Deaths.  Weddings. Divorces.
>> Job changes. Happy time. Sad times.  It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned.  But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> So write back.  If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you.  I think we can get to $500.  If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that.
>>
>>
>>
>> So let us hear from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there!  Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck.  That works too.  Or anything in between.
>>
>>
>>
>> OK let?s get it started.  I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more
>> (see how easy that was?)
>>
>>
>>
>> You?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>>
>> Beach Access Software
>>
>> 760-683-5777
>>
>> www.bchacc.com
>>
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com .
>>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 10:00:06 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:00:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iO4Wcpg46K9SH795cikvgzCiNzm5Jt8uYBGPHTgakcgQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access,
and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an
array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 10:08:20 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:08:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0761BE93C8C873EB49C53D98CAF50@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Arthur

You can dim it:

Dim MyArray(0 To 99) As Long

All elements will hold a zero.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 23. oktober 2018 17:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Access Arrays

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access, and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

--
Arthur 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 22 23:47:57 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:47:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Thank you!
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear List(s):
On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA.

In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years.

I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us.  But it is gratifying nonetheless.

Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose.

Best,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
760-683-5777
http://www.bchacc.com
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
Skype: rocky.smolin


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 11:47:56 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:47:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <25cbff38-e464-6390-8d73-6c201980726a@Gmail.com>

And thanks to the administrators and officers who keep us running!


On 10/23/2018 12:47 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> Dear List(s):
> On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA.
>
> In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years.
>
> I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us.  But it is gratifying nonetheless.
>
> Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose.
>
> Best,
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 760-683-5777
> http://www.bchacc.com
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 11:49:47 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:49:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iO4Wcpg46K9SH795cikvgzCiNzm5Jt8uYBGPHTgakcgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iO4Wcpg46K9SH795cikvgzCiNzm5Jt8uYBGPHTgakcgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <567a1fe1-d502-a6f6-b033-31ebf5281cbe@Gmail.com>

And collections are a valid alternative.


On 10/23/2018 11:00 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access,
> and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
> arrays.
>
> How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an
> array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.
>
> Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?
>
> Your friendly old fart in Toronto.
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 12:04:19 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0761BE93C8C873EB49C53D98CAF50@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761BE93C8C873EB49C53D98CAF50@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1836614577.120482814.1540314259353.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Has anyone done any speed comparisons on collections vs arrays? ...And which Array type perform best and which Array operations are slower (est). Is it better to off-load Array data as text information for some processes?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:08:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Hi Arthur

You can dim it:

Dim MyArray(0 To 99) As Long

All elements will hold a zero.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 23. oktober 2018 17:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Access Arrays

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access, and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

--
Arthur 

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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 12:48:45 2018
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 18:48:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1836614577.120482814.1540314259353.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761BE93C8C873EB49C53D98CAF50@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1836614577.120482814.1540314259353.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAF/K4kJopflPiKHZAng8TWoBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

More appropriate to considering array vs collection
Array needs to be defined with a size
And changing that - as in adding to an existing array usually requires the array to be recreated, if not by specific user code, then by the app's variable's memory management, as
(AFAIK) arrays have to be in a single contiguous block of memory.
Collections are managed using add and delete? Commands and are maintained within memory as a collection of memory allocations 

So processing all entries in an array will almost certainly be faster because there is only 1 memory area and the entries in it will be at offsets from the first entry
Processing entries from a collection will require the program to access an index to get at each elements memory, and that memory would have been handled by the RAM/pagefile facility as separate allocations so each element could ( depending on what your code does) be in a separate block on the pagefile.

So - load the data repository as a single action, knowing how many items and how big the items are, then just reference, but not updating the elements - Arrays probably the best option
Changing the size of the array  frequently  - array management overhead will probably be CPU consuming 
BUT - then the decision would be accepting the array creation and recreation overhead for the minimal read overhead, 
or - going for the minimal collection changing overhead over the larger access overhead.

Then again, maybe -  
Specify a large array so it does not need space reallocation and the existing entries copied to the new memory allocation 

Specify an array or dictionary to hold key values and collection entry key - well any method to avoiding the hardware searching for entries through the entire collection's memory allocations.
Or just, if the code would be doing multiple passes through the data elements look towards an array rather than a collection.

BUT - 
That's just my considerations - and their appropriateness depends on the application processes, the volume of data and the amount of RAM available for the process.
And
If others know different  ,or better - please post!

It depends on what you are doing with the data 

JimB  
   



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 6:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Has anyone done any speed comparisons on collections vs arrays? ...And which Array type perform best and which Array operations are slower (est). Is it better to off-load Array data as text information for some processes?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:08:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Hi Arthur

You can dim it:

Dim MyArray(0 To 99) As Long

All elements will hold a zero.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 23. oktober 2018 17:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Access Arrays

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access, and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

--
Arthur 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 13:50:39 2018
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:50:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAF/K4kJopflPiKHZAng8TWoBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761BE93C8C873EB49C53D98CAF50@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1836614577.120482814.1540314259353.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Thanks, Gustav.

That's helpful, in fact just what I needed to do some benchmarking. I'll
report back later today with the results of my tests.

A.

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 16:22:31 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:22:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
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Thanks you so much. I will investigate further. 

Aside: I have been looking into how to incorporate and mange JSON files in a website to emulate arrays.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:48:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

More appropriate to considering array vs collection
Array needs to be defined with a size
And changing that - as in adding to an existing array usually requires the array to be recreated, if not by specific user code, then by the app's variable's memory management, as
(AFAIK) arrays have to be in a single contiguous block of memory.
Collections are managed using add and delete? Commands and are maintained within memory as a collection of memory allocations 

So processing all entries in an array will almost certainly be faster because there is only 1 memory area and the entries in it will be at offsets from the first entry
Processing entries from a collection will require the program to access an index to get at each elements memory, and that memory would have been handled by the RAM/pagefile facility as separate allocations so each element could ( depending on what your code does) be in a separate block on the pagefile.

So - load the data repository as a single action, knowing how many items and how big the items are, then just reference, but not updating the elements - Arrays probably the best option
Changing the size of the array  frequently  - array management overhead will probably be CPU consuming 
BUT - then the decision would be accepting the array creation and recreation overhead for the minimal read overhead, 
or - going for the minimal collection changing overhead over the larger access overhead.

Then again, maybe -  
Specify a large array so it does not need space reallocation and the existing entries copied to the new memory allocation 

Specify an array or dictionary to hold key values and collection entry key - well any method to avoiding the hardware searching for entries through the entire collection's memory allocations.
Or just, if the code would be doing multiple passes through the data elements look towards an array rather than a collection.

BUT - 
That's just my considerations - and their appropriateness depends on the application processes, the volume of data and the amount of RAM available for the process.
And
If others know different  ,or better - please post!

It depends on what you are doing with the data 

JimB  
   



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 6:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Has anyone done any speed comparisons on collections vs arrays? ...And which Array type perform best and which Array operations are slower (est). Is it better to off-load Array data as text information for some processes?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:08:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Hi Arthur

You can dim it:

Dim MyArray(0 To 99) As Long

All elements will hold a zero.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 23. oktober 2018 17:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Access Arrays

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access, and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Oct 23 23:30:35 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 04:30:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Arrays
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Yes, I have had issues in the past when the app has had many pre-defined arrays with memory and performance issues.  A better approach was to dim the arrays required on the fly.  This app had many hundreds of potential arrays, of which only about 25% were used in a typical run.

I am sure there are other approaches and methods that are valid as well.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of James Button via AccessD
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2018 4:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: James Button <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

More appropriate to considering array vs collection Array needs to be defined with a size And changing that - as in adding to an existing array usually requires the array to be recreated, if not by specific user code, then by the app's variable's memory management, as
(AFAIK) arrays have to be in a single contiguous block of memory.
Collections are managed using add and delete? Commands and are maintained within memory as a collection of memory allocations 

So processing all entries in an array will almost certainly be faster because there is only 1 memory area and the entries in it will be at offsets from the first entry Processing entries from a collection will require the program to access an index to get at each elements memory, and that memory would have been handled by the RAM/pagefile facility as separate allocations so each element could ( depending on what your code does) be in a separate block on the pagefile.

So - load the data repository as a single action, knowing how many items and how big the items are, then just reference, but not updating the elements - Arrays probably the best option Changing the size of the array  frequently  - array management overhead will probably be CPU consuming BUT - then the decision would be accepting the array creation and recreation overhead for the minimal read overhead, or - going for the minimal collection changing overhead over the larger access overhead.

Then again, maybe -
Specify a large array so it does not need space reallocation and the existing entries copied to the new memory allocation 

Specify an array or dictionary to hold key values and collection entry key - well any method to avoiding the hardware searching for entries through the entire collection's memory allocations.
Or just, if the code would be doing multiple passes through the data elements look towards an array rather than a collection.

BUT -
That's just my considerations - and their appropriateness depends on the application processes, the volume of data and the amount of RAM available for the process.
And
If others know different  ,or better - please post!

It depends on what you are doing with the data 

JimB  
   



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 6:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Has anyone done any speed comparisons on collections vs arrays? ...And which Array type perform best and which Array operations are slower (est). Is it better to off-load Array data as text information for some processes?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:08:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Arrays

Hi Arthur

You can dim it:

Dim MyArray(0 To 99) As Long

All elements will hold a zero.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 23. oktober 2018 17:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Access Arrays

It's been a while (too long!) since I've done any actual coding in Access, and it seems I've forgotten almost everything I once knew. Case in point:
arrays.

How do I create an array with 100 elements? x = Array(100) gives me an array of one element, not an array of 100 elements.

Also, can I create an array of 100 elements, each of which is a Long?

Your friendly old fart in Toronto.

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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 03:52:01 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 18:52:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]  Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
Control.

Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as a
simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear and
the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is not
what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I have
specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.

I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.

So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
rowsource columns?

/borge

From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 06:03:04 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:03:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>

This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for Access
2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource and ways to
manipulate the transformation including voiding any transformation.
/borge


On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
> Control.
>
> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as a
> simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear and
> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is not
> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I have
> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
>
> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
>
> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
> rowsource columns?
>
> /borge
>
>
>

From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 09:27:24 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 00:27:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>

I found what the problem was.
So just for the record:

The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
query:
"By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the default
aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.

*Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected *Values
(Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in turn a
result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.

Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
key to solving the problem.

I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
aggregation."

Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!

/borge

PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
This is the fourth under the same heading.
I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
??








On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource and
> ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any transformation.
> /borge
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
>> Control.
>>
>> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
>> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
>> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
>> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
>> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
>> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
>> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as
>> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
>> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear and
>> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is not
>> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I have
>> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
>>
>> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
>>
>> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
>> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
>> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
>> rowsource columns?
>>
>> /borge
>>
>>
>>

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 09:43:01 2018
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:43:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAuztFJ_ZC2PM1hCuG1f0XqhB3LyLj+Nj_vM96a+jnsd4g@mail.gmail.com>

Borge,

I am receiving your emails.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:28 AM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found what the problem was.
> So just for the record:
>
> The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
> control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
> query:
> "By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
> fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the default
> aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
> and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.
>
> *Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected
> *Values
> (Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
> The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in turn a
> result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.
>
> Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
> key to solving the problem.
>
> I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
> format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
> string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
> referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
> aggregation."
>
> Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!
>
> /borge
>
> PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
> This is the fourth under the same heading.
> I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
> Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
> I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
> ??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> > Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource
> and
> > ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any
> transformation.
> > /borge
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
> >> Control.
> >>
> >> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
> >> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
> >> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
> >> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
> >> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
> >> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
> >> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as
> >> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
> >> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear
> and
> >> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is
> not
> >> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I
> have
> >> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
> >>
> >> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
> >>
> >> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
> >> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
> >> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
> >> rowsource columns?
> >>
> >> /borge
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From jbodin at sbor.com  Thu Oct 25 09:48:05 2018
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:48:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Borge, I must have missed the link to the article you have been referring to.  Can you provide again?  Thank you.






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>




________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources

I found what the problem was.
So just for the record:

The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
query:
"By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the default
aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.

*Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected *Values
(Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in turn a
result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.

Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
key to solving the problem.

I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
aggregation."

Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!

/borge

PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
This is the fourth under the same heading.
I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
??








On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource and
> ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any transformation.
> /borge
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
>> Control.
>>
>> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
>> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
>> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
>> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
>> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
>> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
>> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as
>> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
>> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear and
>> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is not
>> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I have
>> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
>>
>> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
>>
>> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
>> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
>> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
>> rowsource columns?
>>
>> /borge
>>
>>
>>
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 09:54:31 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 00:54:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAuztFJ_ZC2PM1hCuG1f0XqhB3LyLj+Nj_vM96a+jnsd4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKvidAuztFJ_ZC2PM1hCuG1f0XqhB3LyLj+Nj_vM96a+jnsd4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM-c3P=rNgWdfyTrZsgjaEBkr3xhCYWdJS4==EOk7c6TKw@mail.gmail.com>

Jack,
Thanks...
So the list must have been set up so that when you post a new subject you
don't get a copy of your own post back into your inbox.
But what happens when you are replying to a thread? Just testing to see if
I get a copy in my inbox of this ...
Sorry people...
/borge


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:44 AM jack drawbridge <jackandpat.d at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Borge,
>
> I am receiving your emails.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:28 AM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I found what the problem was.
> > So just for the record:
> >
> > The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
> > control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
> > query:
> > "By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
> > fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the
> default
> > aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
> > and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.
> >
> > *Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected
> > *Values
> > (Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
> > The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in
> turn a
> > result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.
> >
> > Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
> > key to solving the problem.
> >
> > I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
> > format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
> > string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
> > referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
> > aggregation."
> >
> > Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!
> >
> > /borge
> >
> > PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
> > This is the fourth under the same heading.
> > I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
> > Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
> > I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
> > ??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> > > Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource
> > and
> > > ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any
> > transformation.
> > > /borge
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a
> Chart
> > >> Control.
> > >>
> > >> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
> > >> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
> > >> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
> > >> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
> > >> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
> > >> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
> > >> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up
> as
> > >> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is
> called a
> > >> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear
> > and
> > >> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which
> is
> > not
> > >> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I
> > have
> > >> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
> > >>
> > >> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
> > >>
> > >> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
> > >> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
> > >> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
> > >> rowsource columns?
> > >>
> > >> /borge
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 09:56:57 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 00:56:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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John,
Don't know what happened that the link didn't appear.
Here it is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7#bkmk_data

/borge

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:49 AM John Bodin <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> Borge, I must have missed the link to the article you have been referring
> to.  Can you provide again?  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Bodin
>
> sBOR Office Systems
>
> jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Borge
> Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
>
> I found what the problem was.
> So just for the record:
>
> The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
> control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
> query:
> "By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
> fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the default
> aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
> and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.
>
> *Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected
> *Values
> (Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
> The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in turn a
> result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.
>
> Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
> key to solving the problem.
>
> I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
> format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
> string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
> referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
> aggregation."
>
> Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!
>
> /borge
>
> PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
> This is the fourth under the same heading.
> I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
> Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
> I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
> ??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> > Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource
> and
> > ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any
> transformation.
> > /borge
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
> >> Control.
> >>
> >> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
> >> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
> >> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
> >> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
> >> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
> >> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
> >> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as
> >> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
> >> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear
> and
> >> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is
> not
> >> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I
> have
> >> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
> >>
> >> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
> >>
> >> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
> >> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
> >> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
> >> rowsource columns?
> >>
> >> /borge
> >>
> >>
> >>
> --
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 13:36:58 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 04:36:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM9V6qiVt6OMyZQC-Sgk6YJrGU4QPDmBg0aQh8-z19x-SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAF+SPM9V6qiVt6OMyZQC-Sgk6YJrGU4QPDmBg0aQh8-z19x-SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM-=YJtcywbLUPFsYdSKyQLWXNKqV_uw6CPQ8XzJHgtq6Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am baffled!

In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol
with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for the
charts are two small local tables. The Db is
compiled and tested and works fine.

I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. When
running the form the .accdb crashes!

This is driving me crazy!

Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using
different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 subscription
license??

Anyone??

/borge

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Oct 25 20:56:21 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 01:56:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM-=YJtcywbLUPFsYdSKyQLWXNKqV_uw6CPQ8XzJHgtq6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAF+SPM9V6qiVt6OMyZQC-Sgk6YJrGU4QPDmBg0aQh8-z19x-SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM-=YJtcywbLUPFsYdSKyQLWXNKqV_uw6CPQ8XzJHgtq6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB1667545129B0E21DA7E7BFB0FCF00@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a guess.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge Hansen
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365 subscription

I am baffled!

In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for the charts are two small local tables. The Db is compiled and tested and works fine.

I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. When running the form the .accdb crashes!

This is driving me crazy!

Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 subscription license??

Anyone??

/borge
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 25 21:27:12 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:27:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR10MB07615E343760AC55BC65C7BACAEB0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAF+SPM9AmOGisjJe67vSJML66Xc-bh92=v5BKcQzJX=5j2Q2=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <293035978.135950203.1540520832194.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

That's a tip to put aside for later use. 

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Borge Hansen" <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:27:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Valid data sources

I found what the problem was.
So just for the record:

The article points out among other things when covering how the chart
control by default transforms the entered rowsource into an aggregated
query:
"By default, each selected field is aggregated. For numeric and currency
fields, the default aggregation is *Sum*. For all other fields, the default
aggregation is *Count*. To change the aggregation, click the down-arrow,
and select from the list, including *None* to remove the aggregation.

*Note*    Text fields must use the *Count* aggregation. All selected *Values
(Y axis) * fields must either be aggregated or nonaggregated."
The simple query I used as rowsource was based on a local table - in turn a
result of a 'make table' query based on an aggregate query.

Realising that the second column in the rowsource was text (Red Face) was
key to solving the problem.

I had selected to format the second column in the make table query as
format(x,'Percent") resulting in a column showing values as xx.xx% , a
string expression carried thru in the make table as a text column.... and
referring to the article ".... Text fields *must* use the *Count*
aggregation."

Removing the format(expression,"Percent") solved my problem...  Ooops!

/borge

PS : Does any one receive the emails I have sent today to AccessD ?
This is the fourth under the same heading.
I haven't so far gotten any copy back into my inbox....
Perhaps my emails don't go thru?
I receive all postings from everyone else - or so it appears
??








On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:03 PM Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com> wrote:

> This article gives an in-depth presentation of the chart control for
> Access 2016 including how the control transforms the entered rowsource and
> ways to manipulate the transformation including voiding any transformation.
> /borge
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 6:52 pm, Borge Hansen <pcs.accessd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I need a bit of advice as to what makes a valid data source for a Chart
>> Control.
>>
>> Haven't worked with the chart control for many years ..
>> Now using Access 2016 I want to set up a simple line chart.
>> I have a query with two columns: EventYear,
>> NumberOfFamiliesWithChildren_percent.
>> I thought this would be easy to set up with EventYear as the X and the
>> other as Y with values between 0 and 100.
>> When I enter the query as the rowsource on the chart control - set up as
>> a simple line chart -  the wizard (or whatever) creates what is called a
>> transformed rowsource which is the entered query grouped on EventYear and
>> the other column expressed as either sum() or count() - or ... which is not
>> what I want ... I just want the chart control to use the rowsource I have
>> specified without doing any transformation on the rowsource.
>>
>> I've googled and nothing so far has addressed my issue.
>>
>> So, anyone who can give me a pointer to what am I missing here?
>> Why does the control appear to have to perform a transformation on the
>> entered rowsource doing a grouping, sum(), count() etc on the entered
>> rowsource columns?
>>
>> /borge
>>
>>
>>
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 00:07:46 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:07:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
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	<CAF+SPM9LHh1w10M5nqsqtnH+n0z1YByfPLzAm5jd_=P-xgt-+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM8YCnY+_X_DfnU=96w2hRcCEwUjdD4WTDnd7w_98NwFyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN6PR04MB12207F7FBD7E15471C359CFABDF70@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAF+SPM9V6qiVt6OMyZQC-Sgk6YJrGU4QPDmBg0aQh8-z19x-SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF+SPM-=YJtcywbLUPFsYdSKyQLWXNKqV_uw6CPQ8XzJHgtq6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ME1PR01MB1667545129B0E21DA7E7BFB0FCF00@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM-XxvPWtUMzcq0A7+G_LDDmTZbZ7OHSBmJPSGWxJG6SBA@mail.gmail.com>

No, and AFIAK Access cannot be installed on a Mac.

Client is running a number of RDP on a green cloud WIndows Server 12 -
their SQL Db on a separate vm ..
About 6 months ago their Office was upgraded to Office 2016 Professional Pro
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO(16.0.4738.1000) 32-bit
Product ID: 00339-10000-00000-AA844

On Access in both environments I have set the ActiveX Settings to "Enable
all controls without restrictions ....." and "Safe Mode" is ticked OFF - It
used to be "Prompt me...." and "Safe Mode" ON .
I made the change yesterday and it makes no difference - will probably
revert to original settings


I run Office 355 on a VMWare Fusion virtual machine Windows 8.1 on a
Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM.
The SQL Db Express is running on a Windows 7 vm on the same Macbook.
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO (16.0.10228.20080) 32-bit
Product ID: 00201-10951-41243-AA733

Under File >> Account >> What's New (see the most recently installed
updates) I read:
"What's New in Access
Your latest Office 365 features
Remodel your forms and reports with new charts
Create modern-looking charts in forms and report. Match fields to chart
dimensions and preview your changes instantly.
*Learn More  *    Close"

OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...

The client needed some stats - and as I knew a visual presentation more
than anything else would make it clear what's going I set up a Form and
some local tables to display four line graphs.
Haven't worked with Access' ActiveX graph since Access2003 and I knew it
had poor reputation - but I thought a simple line graph... right?

Spent wasted hours into the night lasst night trying to figure why I could
not do an export / import of the above self contained form and local tables
into the client's production system...

Writing up this email made it clear to me what is happening here..
And I remember reading that the various Office versions especially between
the perpetual license and subscriber license have varying update
channels/paths/periods...
Now it really did bite me hard!

I am ranting - I know - but this is despicable!!

Clicking through on the Learn More reference above I get to the same
article that I linked to yesterday....
On the top it says the this article relates to:
Access for Office 365, Access 2019, Access 2016

The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7

I fed back to Microsoft that I think it is imperative they include version
number in their "this article relates to ...."

I now have to find out from which version on will Microsoft Access 2016
have the new Active X control installed - as it appears it is from the
article!

Again, for anyone else on the list beware of mixing Office 2016 perpetual
and subscriber licenses...

I will provide more information as to version of Microsoft Access 2016 that
have the new chart controls...

/borge





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a
> guess.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge
> Hansen
> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> I am baffled!
>
> In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol
> with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for the
> charts are two small local tables. The Db is compiled and tested and works
> fine.
>
> I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
> 2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
> The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. When
> running the form the .accdb crashes!
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using
> different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 subscription
> license??
>
> Anyone??
>
> /borge
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 01:50:25 2018
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 02:50:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <25cbff38-e464-6390-8d73-6c201980726a@Gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB22012C82C585C29876E485B2D8F50@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<25cbff38-e464-6390-8d73-6c201980726a@Gmail.com>
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Running? I thought you were sailing John. What brings you back ashore?

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 12:48 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And thanks to the administrators and officers who keep us running!
>
>
> On 10/23/2018 12:47 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> > Dear List(s):
> > On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would
> like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and
> generosity of the members of DBA.
> >
> > In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of
> $1200 - to fund DBA for three years.
> >
> > I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the
> list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is
> well known by all of us.  But it is gratifying nonetheless.
> >
> > Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all
> who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have
> no purpose.
> >
> > Best,
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 760-683-5777
> > http://www.bchacc.com
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Fri Oct 26 05:08:11 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:08:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
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Thanks for you insights.  Yes there is a marketing (and as you found out - practical) issues with Office 2016 in that the same name 'cover' name includes several different 'flavours' and capabilities within a seemingly identical product.

Office 365 subscription version is constantly updated with new features and capabilities (a bit like your phone apps are) where as the CD stand alone version is not.  Not all features in the Subscription version (commonly called 365) will work in the CD version - despite them having the same name to the average user / consumer (the average consumer wouldn't know there was a difference).

It gets worse once you add in the online only and mobile office versions that are also available.

Appreciate you feeding back your experience as it might save me a lot of work and headaches one day.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge Hansen
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365 subscription

No, and AFIAK Access cannot be installed on a Mac.

Client is running a number of RDP on a green cloud WIndows Server 12 - their SQL Db on a separate vm ..
About 6 months ago their Office was upgraded to Office 2016 Professional Pro The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO(16.0.4738.1000) 32-bit Product ID: 00339-10000-00000-AA844

On Access in both environments I have set the ActiveX Settings to "Enable all controls without restrictions ....." and "Safe Mode" is ticked OFF - It used to be "Prompt me...." and "Safe Mode" ON .
I made the change yesterday and it makes no difference - will probably revert to original settings


I run Office 355 on a VMWare Fusion virtual machine Windows 8.1 on a Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM.
The SQL Db Express is running on a Windows 7 vm on the same Macbook.
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO (16.0.10228.20080) 32-bit Product ID: 00201-10951-41243-AA733

Under File >> Account >> What's New (see the most recently installed
updates) I read:
"What's New in Access
Your latest Office 365 features
Remodel your forms and reports with new charts Create modern-looking charts in forms and report. Match fields to chart dimensions and preview your changes instantly.
*Learn More  *    Close"

OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016 Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...

The client needed some stats - and as I knew a visual presentation more than anything else would make it clear what's going I set up a Form and some local tables to display four line graphs.
Haven't worked with Access' ActiveX graph since Access2003 and I knew it had poor reputation - but I thought a simple line graph... right?

Spent wasted hours into the night lasst night trying to figure why I could not do an export / import of the above self contained form and local tables into the client's production system...

Writing up this email made it clear to me what is happening here..
And I remember reading that the various Office versions especially between the perpetual license and subscriber license have varying update channels/paths/periods...
Now it really did bite me hard!

I am ranting - I know - but this is despicable!!

Clicking through on the Learn More reference above I get to the same article that I linked to yesterday....
On the top it says the this article relates to:
Access for Office 365, Access 2019, Access 2016

The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7

I fed back to Microsoft that I think it is imperative they include version number in their "this article relates to ...."

I now have to find out from which version on will Microsoft Access 2016 have the new Active X control installed - as it appears it is from the article!

Again, for anyone else on the list beware of mixing Office 2016 perpetual and subscriber licenses...

I will provide more information as to version of Microsoft Access 2016 that have the new chart controls...

/borge





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a 
> guess.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Borge Hansen
> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365 
> subscription
>
> I am baffled!
>
> In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a 
> tabcontrol with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. 
> data source for the charts are two small local tables. The Db is 
> compiled and tested and works fine.
>
> I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with 
> Access
> 2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
> The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. 
> When running the form the .accdb crashes!
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS 
> using different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 
> subscription license??
>
> Anyone??
>
> /borge
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 26 06:47:58 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:47:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
Message-ID: <01e001d46d21$bea771a0$3bf654e0$@verizon.net>

<< 
OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...
>>

  That would be correct.

  All "new" features at this point are introduced only in O365.   The
perpetual releases will pick up new features that exist as of their RTM and
if I understand correctly, will get no new features after that in any
service packs.  For example, the new Linked table manager is found only in
O365, as it missed the cut-off for Office 2019, but charts is in Access
2019.

  With that said, it should not be causing Access 2016 to crash....it should
simply not work.  If you are crashing and can do a small sample DB that
shows this, I'm sure Microsoft would be very interested.

<< The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7>>

  I'll pass this along.

  Bottom line though is that the new modern charting is only available in
2019 perpetual and O365.   All versions will support the old charting.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Borge Hansen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
subscription

No, and AFIAK Access cannot be installed on a Mac.

Client is running a number of RDP on a green cloud WIndows Server 12 -
their SQL Db on a separate vm ..
About 6 months ago their Office was upgraded to Office 2016 Professional Pro
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO(16.0.4738.1000) 32-bit
Product ID: 00339-10000-00000-AA844

On Access in both environments I have set the ActiveX Settings to "Enable
all controls without restrictions ....." and "Safe Mode" is ticked OFF - It
used to be "Prompt me...." and "Safe Mode" ON .
I made the change yesterday and it makes no difference - will probably
revert to original settings


I run Office 355 on a VMWare Fusion virtual machine Windows 8.1 on a
Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM.
The SQL Db Express is running on a Windows 7 vm on the same Macbook.
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO (16.0.10228.20080) 32-bit
Product ID: 00201-10951-41243-AA733

Under File >> Account >> What's New (see the most recently installed
updates) I read:
"What's New in Access
Your latest Office 365 features
Remodel your forms and reports with new charts
Create modern-looking charts in forms and report. Match fields to chart
dimensions and preview your changes instantly.
*Learn More  *    Close"

OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...

The client needed some stats - and as I knew a visual presentation more
than anything else would make it clear what's going I set up a Form and
some local tables to display four line graphs.
Haven't worked with Access' ActiveX graph since Access2003 and I knew it
had poor reputation - but I thought a simple line graph... right?

Spent wasted hours into the night lasst night trying to figure why I could
not do an export / import of the above self contained form and local tables
into the client's production system...

Writing up this email made it clear to me what is happening here..
And I remember reading that the various Office versions especially between
the perpetual license and subscriber license have varying update
channels/paths/periods...
Now it really did bite me hard!

I am ranting - I know - but this is despicable!!

Clicking through on the Learn More reference above I get to the same
article that I linked to yesterday....
On the top it says the this article relates to:
Access for Office 365, Access 2019, Access 2016

The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7

I fed back to Microsoft that I think it is imperative they include version
number in their "this article relates to ...."

I now have to find out from which version on will Microsoft Access 2016
have the new Active X control installed - as it appears it is from the
article!

Again, for anyone else on the list beware of mixing Office 2016 perpetual
and subscriber licenses...

I will provide more information as to version of Microsoft Access 2016 that
have the new chart controls...

/borge





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a
> guess.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge
> Hansen
> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> I am baffled!
>
> In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol
> with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for
the
> charts are two small local tables. The Db is compiled and tested and works
> fine.
>
> I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
> 2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
> The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. When
> running the form the .accdb crashes!
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using
> different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 subscription
> license??
>
> Anyone??
>
> /borge
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 26 12:23:49 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:23:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
In-Reply-To: <01e001d46d21$bea771a0$3bf654e0$@verizon.net>
References: <01e001d46d21$bea771a0$3bf654e0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <02cc01d46d50$a9417e80$fbc47b80$@verizon.net>

Borge

 The tags on the help article you point to have been corrected.

 There is actually a very long story behind the "why" it had it (it was
intentional and not a mistake), but suffice to say there are a number of
articles like this and the work to clean them up is on-going.   It is an
Office wide problem related to versioning and not just Access.

 And if you can reproduce the crash in 2016, Microsoft would like to get a
sample DB.   If a sample DB is not possible, then as much detail as possible
as to what occurred.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
subscription

<< 
OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...
>>

  That would be correct.

  All "new" features at this point are introduced only in O365.   The
perpetual releases will pick up new features that exist as of their RTM and
if I understand correctly, will get no new features after that in any
service packs.  For example, the new Linked table manager is found only in
O365, as it missed the cut-off for Office 2019, but charts is in Access
2019.

  With that said, it should not be causing Access 2016 to crash....it should
simply not work.  If you are crashing and can do a small sample DB that
shows this, I'm sure Microsoft would be very interested.

<< The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7>>

  I'll pass this along.

  Bottom line though is that the new modern charting is only available in
2019 perpetual and O365.   All versions will support the old charting.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Borge Hansen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
subscription

No, and AFIAK Access cannot be installed on a Mac.

Client is running a number of RDP on a green cloud WIndows Server 12 -
their SQL Db on a separate vm ..
About 6 months ago their Office was upgraded to Office 2016 Professional Pro
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO(16.0.4738.1000) 32-bit
Product ID: 00339-10000-00000-AA844

On Access in both environments I have set the ActiveX Settings to "Enable
all controls without restrictions ....." and "Safe Mode" is ticked OFF - It
used to be "Prompt me...." and "Safe Mode" ON .
I made the change yesterday and it makes no difference - will probably
revert to original settings


I run Office 355 on a VMWare Fusion virtual machine Windows 8.1 on a
Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM.
The SQL Db Express is running on a Windows 7 vm on the same Macbook.
The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
Microsoft Access 2016 MSO (16.0.10228.20080) 32-bit
Product ID: 00201-10951-41243-AA733

Under File >> Account >> What's New (see the most recently installed
updates) I read:
"What's New in Access
Your latest Office 365 features
Remodel your forms and reports with new charts
Create modern-looking charts in forms and report. Match fields to chart
dimensions and preview your changes instantly.
*Learn More  *    Close"

OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...

The client needed some stats - and as I knew a visual presentation more
than anything else would make it clear what's going I set up a Form and
some local tables to display four line graphs.
Haven't worked with Access' ActiveX graph since Access2003 and I knew it
had poor reputation - but I thought a simple line graph... right?

Spent wasted hours into the night lasst night trying to figure why I could
not do an export / import of the above self contained form and local tables
into the client's production system...

Writing up this email made it clear to me what is happening here..
And I remember reading that the various Office versions especially between
the perpetual license and subscriber license have varying update
channels/paths/periods...
Now it really did bite me hard!

I am ranting - I know - but this is despicable!!

Clicking through on the Learn More reference above I get to the same
article that I linked to yesterday....
On the top it says the this article relates to:
Access for Office 365, Access 2019, Access 2016

The link again is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7

I fed back to Microsoft that I think it is imperative they include version
number in their "this article relates to ...."

I now have to find out from which version on will Microsoft Access 2016
have the new Active X control installed - as it appears it is from the
article!

Again, for anyone else on the list beware of mixing Office 2016 perpetual
and subscriber licenses...

I will provide more information as to version of Microsoft Access 2016 that
have the new chart controls...

/borge





On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a
> guess.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge
> Hansen
> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> I am baffled!
>
> In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol
> with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for
the
> charts are two small local tables. The Db is compiled and tested and works
> fine.
>
> I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
> 2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
> The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form. When
> running the form the .accdb crashes!
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using
> different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365 subscription
> license??
>
> Anyone??
>
> /borge
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 21:06:47 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 12:06:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]  Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
Message-ID: <CAF+SPM-=U4H_2CvmBZcggg8R_aJgG_Ptef1ajZG91u=GOcT6cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Further to Jim's mention about the new linked table manager - only
available in Access for Office 365 - NOT in Access 2019 ...

I wonder if there will be ever be a perpetual licensed Access 2022 ??
If so, it would have the "new" linked table manager.
Ah, just missed it for inclusion in Access 2019!

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797

This is how we spare the User for battling with linked table managers - in
fact they don't know about much of this stuff:

We are using DSN-less SQL-backend table linking using VBA in connection
with a local lookup table with the names of all the SQL Db tables to be
linked; plus  a local .accdb that the main .accdb app is linking to on
start up to get the connection parameters to the SQL Db. This way, when we
deploy new app versions to the client we don't have to worry about changing
the connection parameters within the main .accdb app.
A small separate SQL db keeps tab on the latest version of the .accdb apps
that we have deployed.
When deploying new app version to a master folder for users to get their
new version from, we give the app a new version number and date in the
'version' SQL db and also reflect this new version number and date in a
local table in the .accdb app.
When user starts up their app it will compare the app's local version
number and date against the Version SQL db -
When there is a newer version as per the 'Version" SQL db, User will be
informed during startup of app and asked to run a separate update using a
shortcut on their desktop to a small update .accdb app; and the main app
will close down.
User then starts the small update .accdb that will pull the latest .accdb
app from the master folder down to their local .accdb app folder....
As Users often keep their .accdb app open for any length of time it can be
a hassle to push new app version to their local app folder... with this
pull setup we avoid that...


/borge

From pcs.accessd at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 20:04:30 2018
From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:04:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
In-Reply-To: <02cc01d46d50$a9417e80$fbc47b80$@verizon.net>
References: <01e001d46d21$bea771a0$3bf654e0$@verizon.net>
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Jim,
Yes I spoke to Microsoft support person yesterday and pointed out on their
article Access 2016 is referred to as having the chart control.
He had to kick it upwards and gave me a phone number and a case reference
number.
I checked and you are right the reference to Access 2016 has quickly been
removed.
I took a screen shot of  yesterday's web page - just to feed the embers of
my simmering indignation...
I have no doubt it was intentional - the more ways of subterfuge so MS can
get everyone on the subscription path the better.

I do have a standalone .accdb with one form with one tab control and five
tab pages with a new line chart on each tab page.
Two local tables are the source for some sql select statements being the
rowsource for each line chart.
I've reduced the .accdb form down to having absolutely no code behind the
form.
During some of these iterations of reducing the code (debug - rem offending
code - debug - rem - etc - until I decided to remove all unnecessary
navigation controls and command buttons and form sizing code on the form
open event) I would get an exception message when opening the form, saying :
"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting produced
the following error: A problem occurred while Microsoft Access was
communicating with the OLE server or ActiveX Control.
* The expression may not result in the name of ....."
To me that was weird as any code on the Form On Open had no reference to
OLE or active x controls...

With no code behind the Form, in Access 2016 the Form just opens and shows
no chart controls. The tab page tab headers are visible - the tab page with
focus just appear grey.
The moment I click on to a tab page Access falls over.

When I bring the same .accdb back into the Access for Office 365
environment the chart controls displays nice.

I will contact Microsoft to see if they want the .accdb

Re "the new linked table manager" - is there a writeup / info about that,
that you can provide a link to?

/borge



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:24 AM Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Borge
>
>  The tags on the help article you point to have been corrected.
>
>  There is actually a very long story behind the "why" it had it (it was
> intentional and not a mistake), but suffice to say there are a number of
> articles like this and the work to clean them up is on-going.   It is an
> Office wide problem related to versioning and not just Access.
>
>  And if you can reproduce the crash in 2016, Microsoft would like to get a
> sample DB.   If a sample DB is not possible, then as much detail as
> possible
> as to what occurred.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:48 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> <<
> OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
> Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...
> >>
>
>   That would be correct.
>
>   All "new" features at this point are introduced only in O365.   The
> perpetual releases will pick up new features that exist as of their RTM and
> if I understand correctly, will get no new features after that in any
> service packs.  For example, the new Linked table manager is found only in
> O365, as it missed the cut-off for Office 2019, but charts is in Access
> 2019.
>
>   With that said, it should not be causing Access 2016 to crash....it
> should
> simply not work.  If you are crashing and can do a small sample DB that
> shows this, I'm sure Microsoft would be very interested.
>
> << The link again is:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
> 1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7
> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7>
> >>
>
>   I'll pass this along.
>
>   Bottom line though is that the new modern charting is only available in
> 2019 perpetual and O365.   All versions will support the old charting.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Borge Hansen
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:08 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> No, and AFIAK Access cannot be installed on a Mac.
>
> Client is running a number of RDP on a green cloud WIndows Server 12 -
> their SQL Db on a separate vm ..
> About 6 months ago their Office was upgraded to Office 2016 Professional
> Pro
> The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
> Microsoft Access 2016 MSO(16.0.4738.1000) 32-bit
> Product ID: 00339-10000-00000-AA844
>
> On Access in both environments I have set the ActiveX Settings to "Enable
> all controls without restrictions ....." and "Safe Mode" is ticked OFF - It
> used to be "Prompt me...." and "Safe Mode" ON .
> I made the change yesterday and it makes no difference - will probably
> revert to original settings
>
>
> I run Office 355 on a VMWare Fusion virtual machine Windows 8.1 on a
> Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM.
> The SQL Db Express is running on a Windows 7 vm on the same Macbook.
> The File >> Account >> About Access reports:
> Microsoft Access 2016 MSO (16.0.10228.20080) 32-bit
> Product ID: 00201-10951-41243-AA733
>
> Under File >> Account >> What's New (see the most recently installed
> updates) I read:
> "What's New in Access
> Your latest Office 365 features
> Remodel your forms and reports with new charts
> Create modern-looking charts in forms and report. Match fields to chart
> dimensions and preview your changes instantly.
> *Learn More  *    Close"
>
> OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
> Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...
>
> The client needed some stats - and as I knew a visual presentation more
> than anything else would make it clear what's going I set up a Form and
> some local tables to display four line graphs.
> Haven't worked with Access' ActiveX graph since Access2003 and I knew it
> had poor reputation - but I thought a simple line graph... right?
>
> Spent wasted hours into the night lasst night trying to figure why I could
> not do an export / import of the above self contained form and local tables
> into the client's production system...
>
> Writing up this email made it clear to me what is happening here..
> And I remember reading that the various Office versions especially between
> the perpetual license and subscriber license have varying update
> channels/paths/periods...
> Now it really did bite me hard!
>
> I am ranting - I know - but this is despicable!!
>
> Clicking through on the Learn More reference above I get to the same
> article that I linked to yesterday....
> On the top it says the this article relates to:
> Access for Office 365, Access 2019, Access 2016
>
> The link again is:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-
> 1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7
> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/create-a-chart-on-a-form-or-report-1a463106-65d0-4dbb-9d66-4ecb737ea7f7>
>
> I fed back to Microsoft that I think it is imperative they include version
> number in their "this article relates to ...."
>
> I now have to find out from which version on will Microsoft Access 2016
> have the new Active X control installed - as it appears it is from the
> article!
>
> Again, for anyone else on the list beware of mixing Office 2016 perpetual
> and subscriber licenses...
>
> I will provide more information as to version of Microsoft Access 2016 that
> have the new chart controls...
>
> /borge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:57 AM Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Is one of the users on a Mac?  Active X doesn't work on Macs.  Just a
> > guess.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge
> > Hansen
> > Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 5:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> > subscription
> >
> > I am baffled!
> >
> > In Access 365 subscription license 32 bit I have a Form with a tabcontrol
> > with 4 tab pages with a chart control on each tab page. data source for
> the
> > charts are two small local tables. The Db is compiled and tested and
> works
> > fine.
> >
> > I copy the .accdb file via OneDrive to a client's 2012 Server with Access
> > 2016 32 bit perpetual license installed.
> > The chart controls are nowhere to be seen in design view of the Form.
> When
> > running the form the .accdb crashes!
> >
> > This is driving me crazy!
> >
> > Despite both Access versions being referred to as Access 2016 is MS using
> > different active x controls in perpetual license vs their 365
> subscription
> > license??
> >
> > Anyone??
> >
> > /borge
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 23:20:55 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:20:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive
References: <CAAZtbWEzZ4_Xf+urgp7g3Bp6tuCsH=Z=Tb2o-Av1+=LvbcCBhQ@mail.gmail.com>	<E735A4A486B97B468F2A0A507B26CBB0052A949B@EXCMBS013.corp.ad.sentara.com>
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Message-ID: <020401d46dac$74c07740$5e4165c0$@bchacc.com>

Randall:  Your check was received and a donation made to DBA this evening.  Thank you for your support.

Best,

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of RANDALL R ANTHONY via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: RANDALL R ANTHONY <RRANTHON at sentara.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive

Rocky, put me down for $30, can I send a check I hate paypal.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sat Oct 27 01:49:09 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 06:49:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
In-Reply-To: <CAF+SPM-=U4H_2CvmBZcggg8R_aJgG_Ptef1ajZG91u=GOcT6cQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I suspect the days of CD / perpetual licenses are limited.  It is likely MS will only offer a subscription based offering for their Office products moving forward.  Especially as office is distributed more extensively on alternate OS's and platforms to the tradition Windows / PC.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge Hansen
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2018 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

Further to Jim's mention about the new linked table manager - only available in Access for Office 365 - NOT in Access 2019 ...

I wonder if there will be ever be a perpetual licensed Access 2022 ??
If so, it would have the "new" linked table manager.
Ah, just missed it for inclusion in Access 2019!

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797

This is how we spare the User for battling with linked table managers - in fact they don't know about much of this stuff:

We are using DSN-less SQL-backend table linking using VBA in connection with a local lookup table with the names of all the SQL Db tables to be linked; plus  a local .accdb that the main .accdb app is linking to on start up to get the connection parameters to the SQL Db. This way, when we deploy new app versions to the client we don't have to worry about changing the connection parameters within the main .accdb app.
A small separate SQL db keeps tab on the latest version of the .accdb apps that we have deployed.
When deploying new app version to a master folder for users to get their new version from, we give the app a new version number and date in the 'version' SQL db and also reflect this new version number and date in a local table in the .accdb app.
When user starts up their app it will compare the app's local version number and date against the Version SQL db - When there is a newer version as per the 'Version" SQL db, User will be informed during startup of app and asked to run a separate update using a shortcut on their desktop to a small update .accdb app; and the main app will close down.
User then starts the small update .accdb that will pull the latest .accdb app from the master folder down to their local .accdb app folder....
As Users often keep their .accdb app open for any length of time it can be a hassle to push new app version to their local app folder... with this pull setup we avoid that...


/borge
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Oct 27 10:17:09 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:17:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
 subscription
Message-ID: <014601d46e08$216221a0$642664e0$@verizon.net>

<< I have no doubt it was intentional - the more ways of subterfuge so MS
can
get everyone on the subscription path the better.>>

  Can't go into a lot of detail, but the reason behind it was a technical
one.   In some ways, Microsoft is moving at light speed when it comes to
products and how they are offered.

<< I will contact Microsoft to see if they want the .accdb>>

  They want to see the DB and will be in touch.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Borge Hansen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
subscription

Jim,
Yes I spoke to Microsoft support person yesterday and pointed out on their
article Access 2016 is referred to as having the chart control.
He had to kick it upwards and gave me a phone number and a case reference
number.
I checked and you are right the reference to Access 2016 has quickly been
removed.
I took a screen shot of  yesterday's web page - just to feed the embers of
my simmering indignation...
I have no doubt it was intentional - the more ways of subterfuge so MS can
get everyone on the subscription path the better.

I do have a standalone .accdb with one form with one tab control and five
tab pages with a new line chart on each tab page.
Two local tables are the source for some sql select statements being the
rowsource for each line chart.
I've reduced the .accdb form down to having absolutely no code behind the
form.
During some of these iterations of reducing the code (debug - rem offending
code - debug - rem - etc - until I decided to remove all unnecessary
navigation controls and command buttons and form sizing code on the form
open event) I would get an exception message when opening the form, saying :
"The expression On Open you entered as the event property setting produced
the following error: A problem occurred while Microsoft Access was
communicating with the OLE server or ActiveX Control.
* The expression may not result in the name of ....."
To me that was weird as any code on the Form On Open had no reference to
OLE or active x controls...

With no code behind the Form, in Access 2016 the Form just opens and shows
no chart controls. The tab page tab headers are visible - the tab page with
focus just appear grey.
The moment I click on to a tab page Access falls over.

When I bring the same .accdb back into the Access for Office 365
environment the chart controls displays nice.

I will contact Microsoft to see if they want the .accdb

Re "the new linked table manager" - is there a writeup / info about that,
that you can provide a link to?

/borge



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:24 AM Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

> Borge
>
>  The tags on the help article you point to have been corrected.
>
>  There is actually a very long story behind the "why" it had it (it was
> intentional and not a mistake), but suffice to say there are a number of
> articles like this and the work to clean them up is on-going.   It is an
> Office wide problem related to versioning and not just Access.
>
>  And if you can reproduce the crash in 2016, Microsoft would like to get a
> sample DB.   If a sample DB is not possible, then as much detail as
> possible
> as to what occurred.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Dettman
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 7:48 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Chart Control - Access 2016 vs Access 365
> subscription
>
> <<
> OBVIOUSLY the "new charts" feature is not implemented in Office 2016
> Professional Pro... at least not in the version of the client...
> >>
>
>   That would be correct.
>
<<snip>>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 27 15:06:24 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:06:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
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I think your concerns are very valid. 

I must admit I have equal fear that trying to run a serious business solely online is dangerous. A good backup, just like a data backup is priceless. When I was in the business and through friends that are still on the frontline, I found the a company's website could be run internally as an extended intranet as easily as it could be run via the internet. In fact, errors were discovered more quickly and upgrades were faster....the usefulness of many eyes can't be over stated.

I personally believe that being too attached to proprietary software, when there is no private ownership of it and especially when it is not stable, is very risky.
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:49:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

I suspect the days of CD / perpetual licenses are limited.  It is likely MS will only offer a subscription based offering for their Office products moving forward.  Especially as office is distributed more extensively on alternate OS's and platforms to the tradition Windows / PC.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge Hansen
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2018 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

Further to Jim's mention about the new linked table manager - only available in Access for Office 365 - NOT in Access 2019 ...

I wonder if there will be ever be a perpetual licensed Access 2022 ??
If so, it would have the "new" linked table manager.
Ah, just missed it for inclusion in Access 2019!

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797

This is how we spare the User for battling with linked table managers - in fact they don't know about much of this stuff:

We are using DSN-less SQL-backend table linking using VBA in connection with a local lookup table with the names of all the SQL Db tables to be linked; plus  a local .accdb that the main .accdb app is linking to on start up to get the connection parameters to the SQL Db. This way, when we deploy new app versions to the client we don't have to worry about changing the connection parameters within the main .accdb app.
A small separate SQL db keeps tab on the latest version of the .accdb apps that we have deployed.
When deploying new app version to a master folder for users to get their new version from, we give the app a new version number and date in the 'version' SQL db and also reflect this new version number and date in a local table in the .accdb app.
When user starts up their app it will compare the app's local version number and date against the Version SQL db - When there is a newer version as per the 'Version" SQL db, User will be informed during startup of app and asked to run a separate update using a shortcut on their desktop to a small update .accdb app; and the main app will close down.
User then starts the small update .accdb that will pull the latest .accdb app from the master folder down to their local .accdb app folder....
As Users often keep their .accdb app open for any length of time it can be a hassle to push new app version to their local app folder... with this pull setup we avoid that...


/borge
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Oct 27 15:49:15 2018
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:49:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List posting size limits
Message-ID: <DM5PR1101MB2201D98314D0B53E81C697CDD8F10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

We encourage snipping <snip> of posts to that which matters for the post to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce post sizes.

Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB per post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about it. I think that has happened once in 10 years. 

We maintain this limit because there are active members who have extremely poor speeds in their part of the world. 

Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the years in regards to how to do it in Outlook. 

Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts through - IF you contact them.

Best Regards,
John B


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 16:26:52 2018
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:26:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
In-Reply-To: <451237864.146462841.1540670784017.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Yep - stability - not a feature of MS software.

My approach for the business side of life

2 PC's, 1 for online business access running my general browser activities in a
VM
Yes - the system is open to malware intrusion, but hopefully the AV will deal
with OS targeted intrusion and the VM will stop web browser and email
transported malware getting out of the sandtrap.
Hopefully! 

Second system for business work - does not (usually) talk to the web, including
MS - yes it runs the 2016 version that comes with 365

I have a full backup before I do the ( bimonthly) periodic update - and then
specially allow it to get updates to the anti-malware profiles etc about 2 weeks
after the update and do a scan

Then after the 2 week hiatus, I can hopefully resume doing business work that
needs stability on it-
 it gets and despatched files using USB storage media to pass data to, and from
the online system
 so neither system gets to be able to 'access' the other.

Safety is not a certainty but the stability helps 
And as the 2 systems are the same models, in the event of a hardware failure can
just move the OS drive (or restored image) to the other system if needed,

Luckily I do not expect to be 'working' for anywhere near another 10 years 
So will be able to get the 2019 (Ok maybe it's successor) and adopt a similar
approach to it's security fixes to cover any needed win-10 and office use for my
activities after business work ends.  
And - maybe Android, or any OS that is not MS will be my personal use
environment. 

I can also see major organisations returning to Linux for their corporate
environments  due to both the reduced cost ( OK maybe 20 systems staff instead
of 10systems support and team of 10 user call response help desk staff) and the
much reduced software and hardware costs. 
As in you can run most user business environments on a ?200 2GB RAM tablet
system where a windows one is looking to need 8GB RAM and at least 64 GB of SSD
storage costing ?400 + licences of ?100 a year for the unstable office
facilities.

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

I think your concerns are very valid. 

I must admit I have equal fear that trying to run a serious business solely
online is dangerous. A good backup, just like a data backup is priceless. When I
was in the business and through friends that are still on the frontline, I found
the a company's website could be run internally as an extended intranet as
easily as it could be run via the internet. In fact, errors were discovered more
quickly and upgrades were faster....the usefulness of many eyes can't be over
stated.

I personally believe that being too attached to proprietary software, when there
is no private ownership of it and especially when it is not stable, is very
risky.
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:49:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

I suspect the days of CD / perpetual licenses are limited.  It is likely MS will
only offer a subscription based offering for their Office products moving
forward.  Especially as office is distributed more extensively on alternate OS's
and platforms to the tradition Windows / PC.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Borge Hansen
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2018 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

Further to Jim's mention about the new linked table manager - only available in
Access for Office 365 - NOT in Access 2019 ...

I wonder if there will be ever be a perpetual licensed Access 2022 ??
If so, it would have the "new" linked table manager.
Ah, just missed it for inclusion in Access 2019!

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85
-a9ce-4caec2262797

This is how we spare the User for battling with linked table managers - in fact
they don't know about much of this stuff:

We are using DSN-less SQL-backend table linking using VBA in connection with a
local lookup table with the names of all the SQL Db tables to be linked; plus  a
local .accdb that the main .accdb app is linking to on start up to get the
connection parameters to the SQL Db. This way, when we deploy new app versions
to the client we don't have to worry about changing the connection parameters
within the main .accdb app.
A small separate SQL db keeps tab on the latest version of the .accdb apps that
we have deployed.
When deploying new app version to a master folder for users to get their new
version from, we give the app a new version number and date in the 'version' SQL
db and also reflect this new version number and date in a local table in the
.accdb app.
When user starts up their app it will compare the app's local version number and
date against the Version SQL db - When there is a newer version as per the
'Version" SQL db, User will be informed during startup of app and asked to run a
separate update using a shortcut on their desktop to a small update .accdb app;
and the main app will close down.
User then starts the small update .accdb that will pull the latest .accdb app
from the master folder down to their local .accdb app folder....
As Users often keep their .accdb app open for any length of time it can be a
hassle to push new app version to their local app folder... with this pull setup
we avoid that...


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 28 12:16:20 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 11:16:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAKk1lM1P71pBriMTzHQkGxsBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <CAF+SPM-=U4H_2CvmBZcggg8R_aJgG_Ptef1ajZG91u=GOcT6cQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ME1PR01MB16672FC109B21A885B87D139FCF10@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<451237864.146462841.1540670784017.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAKk1lM1P71pBriMTzHQkGxsBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <55072859.151247743.1540746980610.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

You seem to have taken a very prudent approach to your systems structure...good on you.

For my approach I have used my router as my first line of defence. First I set the firewall setting to SPI. It can be described in a complex manner but it really means; send out a request on a port, the response is expect back on the same port. This stops a remote application from responding on a port that does not have the appropriate listener. (I have turned ping reply off)

Second, I decided to no longer use either IIS or Apache web server and am now using NodeJS. Security through obscurity.

Third, I have put each website within its own Docker Containers, If a site gets hacked it can be deleted and replaced in minutes.

Fourth, when wandering I always use a non recording VPN. There are so many hacker bots and they will tend to pound on a router until they find an open port and then... Anytime I have failed to browse anonymously my email fills with ads. 

Fifth, when remoting in always use SSH or SSL. Full encryption and if the authorize security is setup between the remote and local stations, it replaces username/password login. Great when doing remote support or backups etc... as the processes can be fully automated.

Sixth, when remoting in via RDP (should never be used but there are occasions), I change the address from the default via editing the registry.

That is but a few standards I use...not perfect but along with backups recovery and access security I feel relatively safe.
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 2:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

Yep - stability - not a feature of MS software.

My approach for the business side of life

2 PC's, 1 for online business access running my general browser activities in a
VM
Yes - the system is open to malware intrusion, but hopefully the AV will deal
with OS targeted intrusion and the VM will stop web browser and email
transported malware getting out of the sandtrap.
Hopefully! 

Second system for business work - does not (usually) talk to the web, including
MS - yes it runs the 2016 version that comes with 365

I have a full backup before I do the ( bimonthly) periodic update - and then
specially allow it to get updates to the anti-malware profiles etc about 2 weeks
after the update and do a scan

Then after the 2 week hiatus, I can hopefully resume doing business work that
needs stability on it-
 it gets and despatched files using USB storage media to pass data to, and from
the online system
 so neither system gets to be able to 'access' the other.

Safety is not a certainty but the stability helps 
And as the 2 systems are the same models, in the event of a hardware failure can
just move the OS drive (or restored image) to the other system if needed,

Luckily I do not expect to be 'working' for anywhere near another 10 years 
So will be able to get the 2019 (Ok maybe it's successor) and adopt a similar
approach to it's security fixes to cover any needed win-10 and office use for my
activities after business work ends.  
And - maybe Android, or any OS that is not MS will be my personal use
environment. 

I can also see major organisations returning to Linux for their corporate
environments  due to both the reduced cost ( OK maybe 20 systems staff instead
of 10systems support and team of 10 user call response help desk staff) and the
much reduced software and hardware costs. 
As in you can run most user business environments on a ?200 2GB RAM tablet
system where a windows one is looking to need 8GB RAM and at least 64 GB of SSD
storage costing ?400 + licences of ?100 a year for the unstable office
facilities.

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

I think your concerns are very valid. 

I must admit I have equal fear that trying to run a serious business solely
online is dangerous. A good backup, just like a data backup is priceless. When I
was in the business and through friends that are still on the frontline, I found
the a company's website could be run internally as an extended intranet as
easily as it could be run via the internet. In fact, errors were discovered more
quickly and upgrades were faster....the usefulness of many eyes can't be over
stated.

I personally believe that being too attached to proprietary software, when there
is no private ownership of it and especially when it is not stable, is very
risky.
 
Jim


From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Oct 28 13:13:37 2018
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:13:37 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager
In-Reply-To: <55072859.151247743.1540746980610.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAF+SPM-=U4H_2CvmBZcggg8R_aJgG_Ptef1ajZG91u=GOcT6cQ@mail.gmail.com>	<ME1PR01MB16672FC109B21A885B87D139FCF10@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>	<451237864.146462841.1540670784017.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAKk1lM1P71pBriMTzHQkGxsBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<55072859.151247743.1540746980610.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAMD7CycHh6dPv39QYsyMuiYBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Jim, 

Thanks for the detailed response.

Nice ideas and a far more careful and controlled approach than I use, although realise I really ought to consider some of the techniques.

I do not run a web site and just have the hub provided by my ISP.

Basically, I accept that stopping any intrusion via the web is probably not possible without a substantial investment - 
Hardware, software setup, and time - so separation and restorability is basically my approach.

And - for those continually swapping cabled (USB backup) devices I recommend cables permanently plugged into the devices, and then just provide power, and join the appropriate (labelled) cable ends 
That way the physical failure is liable to be the cable rather than the socket in the device, and less likelihood of disconnecting the multiple, or wrong device cables from the back of the PC.

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

You seem to have taken a very prudent approach to your systems structure...good on you.

For my approach I have used my router as my first line of defence. First I set the firewall setting to SPI. It can be described in a complex manner but it really means; send out a request on a port, the response is expect back on the same port. This stops a remote application from responding on a port that does not have the appropriate listener. (I have turned ping reply off)

Second, I decided to no longer use either IIS or Apache web server and am now using NodeJS. Security through obscurity.

Third, I have put each website within its own Docker Containers, If a site gets hacked it can be deleted and replaced in minutes.

Fourth, when wandering I always use a non recording VPN. There are so many hacker bots and they will tend to pound on a router until they find an open port and then... Anytime I have failed to browse anonymously my email fills with ads. 

Fifth, when remoting in always use SSH or SSL. Full encryption and if the authorize security is setup between the remote and local stations, it replaces username/password login. Great when doing remote support or backups etc... as the processes can be fully automated.

Sixth, when remoting in via RDP (should never be used but there are occasions), I change the address from the default via editing the registry.

That is but a few standards I use...not perfect but along with backups recovery and access security I feel relatively safe.
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 2:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

Yep - stability - not a feature of MS software.

My approach for the business side of life

2 PC's, 1 for online business access running my general browser activities in a
VM
Yes - the system is open to malware intrusion, but hopefully the AV will deal
with OS targeted intrusion and the VM will stop web browser and email
transported malware getting out of the sandtrap.
Hopefully! 

Second system for business work - does not (usually) talk to the web, including
MS - yes it runs the 2016 version that comes with 365

I have a full backup before I do the ( bimonthly) periodic update - and then
specially allow it to get updates to the anti-malware profiles etc about 2 weeks
after the update and do a scan

Then after the 2 week hiatus, I can hopefully resume doing business work that
needs stability on it-
 it gets and despatched files using USB storage media to pass data to, and from
the online system
 so neither system gets to be able to 'access' the other.

Safety is not a certainty but the stability helps 
And as the 2 systems are the same models, in the event of a hardware failure can
just move the OS drive (or restored image) to the other system if needed,

Luckily I do not expect to be 'working' for anywhere near another 10 years 
So will be able to get the 2019 (Ok maybe it's successor) and adopt a similar
approach to it's security fixes to cover any needed win-10 and office use for my
activities after business work ends.  
And - maybe Android, or any OS that is not MS will be my personal use
environment. 

I can also see major organisations returning to Linux for their corporate
environments  due to both the reduced cost ( OK maybe 20 systems staff instead
of 10systems support and team of 10 user call response help desk staff) and the
much reduced software and hardware costs. 
As in you can run most user business environments on a ?200 2GB RAM tablet
system where a windows one is looking to need 8GB RAM and at least 64 GB of SSD
storage costing ?400 + licences of ?100 a year for the unstable office
facilities.

JimB

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access for Office 365 - New Linked Table Manager

I think your concerns are very valid. 

I must admit I have equal fear that trying to run a serious business solely
online is dangerous. A good backup, just like a data backup is priceless. When I
was in the business and through friends that are still on the frontline, I found
the a company's website could be run internally as an extended intranet as
easily as it could be run via the internet. In fact, errors were discovered more
quickly and upgrades were faster....the usefulness of many eyes can't be over
stated.

I personally believe that being too attached to proprietary software, when there
is no private ownership of it and especially when it is not stable, is very
risky.
 
Jim

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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 00:50:37 2018
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:50:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List posting size limits
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1101MB2201D98314D0B53E81C697CDD8F10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB2201D98314D0B53E81C697CDD8F10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3rD4hHgaB-EG1PQPCY1MKn+HGchgPt97zUC8pDegegCA@mail.gmail.com>

How many moderators are there?

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:53 PM John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> We encourage snipping <snip> of posts to that which matters for the post
> to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce
> post sizes.
>
> Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other
> than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too
> large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB per
> post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly
> allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about
> it. I think that has happened once in 10 years.
>
> We maintain this limit because there are active members who have extremely
> poor speeds in their part of the world.
>
> Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is
> determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There
> are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list
> address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the years
> in regards to how to do it in Outlook.
>
> Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts
> through - IF you contact them.
>
> Best Regards,
> John B
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 07:29:29 2018
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:29:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List posting size limits
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3rD4hHgaB-EG1PQPCY1MKn+HGchgPt97zUC8pDegegCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR1101MB2201D98314D0B53E81C697CDD8F10@DM5PR1101MB2201.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAJLzs_3rD4hHgaB-EG1PQPCY1MKn+HGchgPt97zUC8pDegegCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGwY1TFXkjSTxh54cdeGq6QUZfJcMbWnxc9cui5V6MWgA@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

There are only a few moderators for all of DBA's lists.

Bryan
Your friendly neighbourhood Listmaster

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 01:51, Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> How many moderators are there?
>
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:53 PM John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> > We encourage snipping <snip> of posts to that which matters for the post
> > to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce
> > post sizes.
> >
> > Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other
> > than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too
> > large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB
> per
> > post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly
> > allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about
> > it. I think that has happened once in 10 years.
> >
> > We maintain this limit because there are active members who have
> extremely
> > poor speeds in their part of the world.
> >
> > Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is
> > determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There
> > are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list
> > address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the
> years
> > in regards to how to do it in Outlook.
> >
> > Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts
> > through - IF you contact them.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > John B
> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Oct 30 16:04:02 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 17:04:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
Message-ID: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>

Hii,

I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature 
sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.

When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the 
assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns 
out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the 
household.

The tblHouseholds doesn't have any? person names in it, of course. So, I 
want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated 
with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the 
foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming 
convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)

How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the 
person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each 
individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.? How do I display the 
PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals 
HH_ID?

It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

T

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 16:15:23 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:15:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>

Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.

HTH

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
To: ACCESSD
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox

Hii,

I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature 
sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.

When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the 
assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns 
out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the 
household.

The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I 
want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated 
with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the 
foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming 
convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)

How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the 
person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each 
individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the 
PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals 
HH_ID?

It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

T

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Oct 30 16:37:55 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 17:37:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>

Hi Rocky,

Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household for 
the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.

At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether 
the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the Christmas 
programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear (they remain 
invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a scheduled 
pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the household. 
This last is going to change also, because there could be more than one, 
so there will be a list box here.

Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets, 
that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts 
received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears followed 
by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a textbox 
(which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card assigned 
to that child. The? third is for the Teen Angels where only teens are 
listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in number of 
gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift cards.

So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, but 
I also need to have all the other names.

I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the report 
is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where PE_IDHH 
equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.

Thanks for helping me think.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.
>
> HTH
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
> To: ACCESSD
> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>
> Hii,
>
> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>
> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
> household.
>
> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I
> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>
> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the
> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
> HH_ID?
>
> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> T
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Oct 30 17:06:19 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:06:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
	<5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <fe9026f9-5280-c154-08b7-a4c60ce3bfd2@torchlake.com>

Hi again,

Having explained all that, what if I make a separate query that does 
just select person "A" from the household and set my unbound texbox, 
which I'll name txtParentName, to the PE_Fname of the person where PH_HH 
equals HH_ID?? Wouldn't that work? Now, to figure out the syntax for 
that code.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 5:37 PM, Tina N Fields wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
>
> Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household 
> for the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.
>
> At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether 
> the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the 
> Christmas programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear 
> (they remain invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a 
> scheduled pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the 
> household. This last is going to change also, because there could be 
> more than one, so there will be a list box here.
>
> Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets, 
> that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts 
> received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears 
> followed by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a 
> textbox (which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card 
> assigned to that child. The? third is for the Teen Angels where only 
> teens are listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in 
> number of gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift 
> cards.
>
> So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, 
> but I also need to have all the other names.
>
> I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the 
> report is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where 
> PE_IDHH equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.
>
> Thanks for helping me think.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>
> On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the 
>> Households and only one name per.? Unless more than one person has 
>> "A" rank.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Tina N Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
>> To: ACCESSD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>>
>> Hii,
>>
>> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
>> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>>
>> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
>> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
>> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
>> household.
>>
>> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any? person names in it, of course. So, I
>> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
>> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
>> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
>> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>>
>> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
>> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
>> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.? How do I display the
>> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
>> HH_ID?
>>
>> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>
>> T
>>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 17:06:45 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:06:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
	<5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <012101d4709c$d8d5db10$8a819130$@bchacc.com>

If the names are in a sub-report, then the record source for that sub report could retrieve all the names as well as the foreign key to the family.  Then the sub report would be linked to the parent report by the FK<-->PK. So the record source for the main report would still have only one name and the sub report for the family would have all the names.  Minus the "A" name through a filter in the sub-report's query.

If I understand you correctly.  Which is possible. (It could happen) :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox

Hi Rocky,

Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household for 
the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.

At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether 
the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the Christmas 
programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear (they remain 
invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a scheduled 
pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the household. 
This last is going to change also, because there could be more than one, 
so there will be a list box here.

Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets, 
that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts 
received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears followed 
by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a textbox 
(which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card assigned 
to that child. The  third is for the Teen Angels where only teens are 
listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in number of 
gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift cards.

So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, but 
I also need to have all the other names.

I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the report 
is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where PE_IDHH 
equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.

Thanks for helping me think.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.
>
> HTH
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
> To: ACCESSD
> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>
> Hii,
>
> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>
> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
> household.
>
> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I
> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>
> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the
> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
> HH_ID?
>
> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> T
>

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Oct 30 17:14:57 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:14:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <012101d4709c$d8d5db10$8a819130$@bchacc.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
	<5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
	<012101d4709c$d8d5db10$8a819130$@bchacc.com>
Message-ID: <ebacfbde-4da6-1959-ddf0-3bda8f557a4f@torchlake.com>

Hmm - I'll look into that. Thanks.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 6:06 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> If the names are in a sub-report, then the record source for that sub report could retrieve all the names as well as the foreign key to the family.  Then the sub report would be linked to the parent report by the FK<-->PK. So the record source for the main report would still have only one name and the sub report for the family would have all the names.  Minus the "A" name through a filter in the sub-report's query.
>
> If I understand you correctly.  Which is possible. (It could happen) :)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>
> Hi Rocky,
>
> Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household for
> the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.
>
> At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether
> the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the Christmas
> programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear (they remain
> invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a scheduled
> pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the household.
> This last is going to change also, because there could be more than one,
> so there will be a list box here.
>
> Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets,
> that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts
> received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears followed
> by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a textbox
> (which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card assigned
> to that child. The  third is for the Teen Angels where only teens are
> listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in number of
> gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift cards.
>
> So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, but
> I also need to have all the other names.
>
> I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the report
> is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where PE_IDHH
> equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.
>
> Thanks for helping me think.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>
> On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina N Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
>> To: ACCESSD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>>
>> Hii,
>>
>> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
>> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>>
>> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
>> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
>> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
>> household.
>>
>> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I
>> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
>> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
>> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
>> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>>
>> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
>> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
>> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the
>> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
>> HH_ID?
>>
>> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>
>> T
>>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 17:16:41 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:16:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <ebacfbde-4da6-1959-ddf0-3bda8f557a4f@torchlake.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>	<5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>	<012101d4709c$d8d5db10$8a819130$@bchacc.com>
	<ebacfbde-4da6-1959-ddf0-3bda8f557a4f@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <012901d4709e$3c438a70$b4ca9f50$@bchacc.com>

And since the A name will be retrieved in your query, you can have it show
up in a text box bound to that field.  So no code required.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina N Fields
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox

Hmm - I'll look into that. Thanks.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 6:06 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> If the names are in a sub-report, then the record source for that sub
report could retrieve all the names as well as the foreign key to the
family.  Then the sub report would be linked to the parent report by the
FK<-->PK. So the record source for the main report would still have only one
name and the sub report for the family would have all the names.  Minus the
"A" name through a filter in the sub-report's query.
>
> If I understand you correctly.  Which is possible. (It could happen) :)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina N Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>
> Hi Rocky,
>
> Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household for
> the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.
>
> At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether
> the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the Christmas
> programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear (they remain
> invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a scheduled
> pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the household.
> This last is going to change also, because there could be more than one,
> so there will be a list box here.
>
> Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets,
> that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts
> received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears followed
> by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a textbox
> (which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card assigned
> to that child. The  third is for the Teen Angels where only teens are
> listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in number of
> gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift cards.
>
> So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, but
> I also need to have all the other names.
>
> I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the report
> is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where PE_IDHH
> equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.
>
> Thanks for helping me think.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>
> On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the
Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Tina N Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
>> To: ACCESSD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>>
>> Hii,
>>
>> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
>> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>>
>> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
>> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
>> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
>> household.
>>
>> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I
>> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
>> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
>> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
>> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>>
>> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
>> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
>> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the
>> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
>> HH_ID?
>>
>> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>
>> T
>>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 30 18:02:52 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 09:02:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <5BD8E31C.6344.57600E9B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Several ways:

1. DLookup("PE_Fname,"tblPeople", "PE_Fam-spot = 'A' AND "PE_IDHH = " & HH_ID )

2. Join a new qryHHPrimaryFName to your current query on PE_IDHH = DD_ID where 
qryHHPrimaryFName is:
SELECT PE_Fname  FROM tblPeople WHERE  PE_IDHH = "A"

3.  A function:
FUNCTION HHHeadFName(HHID as long) AS STRING
	HHHeadFName =DLookup("PE_Fname,"tblPeople", "PE_Fam-spot = 'A' AND 
"PE_IDHH = " & HH_ID )
END FUNCTION

On 30 Oct 2018 at 17:04, Tina N Fields wrote:

> Hii,
> 
> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
> 
> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of
> the household.
> 
> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any? person names in it, of course.
> So, I want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be
> populated with the first name of person A in the household. The
> tblPeople has the foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John
> Colby's naming convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key
> PE_IDHH.)
> 
> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.? How do I display the
> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH
> equals HH_ID?
> 
> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> 
> T
> 
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 
> -- 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 31 09:59:04 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:59:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
In-Reply-To: <012901d4709e$3c438a70$b4ca9f50$@bchacc.com>
References: <93b10dae-87f5-2da0-4225-4a28e60b257b@torchlake.com>
	<010c01d47095$abbc4f30$0334ed90$@bchacc.com>
	<5b667b0c-052a-ffb0-7503-5e3618e78271@torchlake.com>
	<012101d4709c$d8d5db10$8a819130$@bchacc.com>
	<ebacfbde-4da6-1959-ddf0-3bda8f557a4f@torchlake.com>
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You know, it's been a little while since I was every day in a database, 
and I totally overlooked the fact that the source data for the report 
was separate from the source data for each of the subreports. Dang! 
Thanks for waking me up.

T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 6:16 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> And since the A name will be retrieved in your query, you can have it show
> up in a text box bound to that field.  So no code required.
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina N Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:15 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>
> Hmm - I'll look into that. Thanks.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> 231-322-2787
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>
> On 10/30/2018 6:06 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> If the names are in a sub-report, then the record source for that sub
> report could retrieve all the names as well as the foreign key to the
> family.  Then the sub report would be linked to the parent report by the
> FK<-->PK. So the record source for the main report would still have only one
> name and the sub report for the family would have all the names.  Minus the
> "A" name through a filter in the sub-report's query.
>> If I understand you correctly.  Which is possible. (It could happen) :)
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina N Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:38 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>>
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> Yeah, that's true, but I need all the other people in the household for
>> the rest of the report. So, it's something like this.
>>
>> At the top is the assigned family number, the household name, whether
>> the household is participating in the Thanksgiving meal or the Christmas
>> programs, if Christmas the date and time of pickup appear (they remain
>> invisible for Thanksgiving because it's a meal and not a scheduled
>> pickup), and there may also be a gift card assigned to the household.
>> This last is going to change also, because there could be more than one,
>> so there will be a list box here.
>>
>> Below that are three sub reports. The first one is about food baskets,
>> that's a yes or no checkmark The second is about Toy Shop gifts
>> received, where the name, age, and gender of the child appears followed
>> by space for writing in indications of type of gifts, plus a textbox
>> (which is going to have to become a listbox) for any gift card assigned
>> to that child. The  third is for the Teen Angels where only teens are
>> listed - again it's name, age, gender, space for writing in number of
>> gifts, and a textbox (will become a listbox) for any gift cards.
>>
>> So, I have to find a way to put that person A first name up at top, but
>> I also need to have all the other names.
>>
>> I thought I could put an unbound textbox and populate it when the report
>> is Active with the PE_Fname, with PE_Fam-spot of "A", where PE_IDHH
>> equals HH_ID. But, dang it, I am not figuring out how to do that.
>>
>> Thanks for helping me think.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> 231-322-2787
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>
>> On 10/30/2018 5:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>> Enter criterion for field PE_Fam-spot of "A"? You'd get all the
> Households and only one name per.  Unless more than one person has "A" rank.
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Tina N Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:04 PM
>>> To: ACCESSD
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
>>>
>>> Hii,
>>>
>>> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
>>> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>>>
>>> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
>>> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
>>> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of the
>>> household.
>>>
>>> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any  person names in it, of course. So, I
>>> want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be populated
>>> with the first name of person A in the household. The tblPeople has the
>>> foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John Colby's naming
>>> convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key PE_IDHH.)
>>>
>>> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
>>> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
>>> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.  How do I display the
>>> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH equals
>>> HH_ID?
>>>
>>> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>>
>>> T
>>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 31 10:01:01 2018
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina N Fields)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 11:01:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Set value in a report textbox
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Stuart,

Many thanks for this. Again, it is a reminder of what I totally 
overlooked as I sat there puzzling things out. I have to do this more 
often than once a year if I am going to be competent.

Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
231-322-2787
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com

On 10/30/2018 7:02 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Several ways:
>
> 1. DLookup("PE_Fname,"tblPeople", "PE_Fam-spot = 'A' AND "PE_IDHH = " & HH_ID )
>
> 2. Join a new qryHHPrimaryFName to your current query on PE_IDHH = DD_ID where
> qryHHPrimaryFName is:
> SELECT PE_Fname  FROM tblPeople WHERE  PE_IDHH = "A"
>
> 3.  A function:
> FUNCTION HHHeadFName(HHID as long) AS STRING
> 	HHHeadFName =DLookup("PE_Fname,"tblPeople", "PE_Fam-spot = 'A' AND
> "PE_IDHH = " & HH_ID )
> END FUNCTION
>
> On 30 Oct 2018 at 17:04, Tina N Fields wrote:
>
>> Hii,
>>
>> I have a report for my local Salvation Army, that is to be a signature
>> sheet for the family picking up the Christmas stuff.
>>
>> When we developed it, they wanted only the household name and the
>> assigned family number to be displayed at the top of the report. Turns
>> out, though, they'd really also like the first name of the parent of
>> the household.
>>
>> The tblHouseholds doesn't have any? person names in it, of course.
>> So, I want to put a textbox alongside the Household name box to be
>> populated with the first name of person A in the household. The
>> tblPeople has the foreign key matching the household ID. (Using John
>> Colby's naming convention, HH_ID from tblHouseholds is foreign key
>> PE_IDHH.)
>>
>> How do I do this? I have the PE_Fname in the query, and I have the
>> person's rank in the family (they insisted on this), so each
>> individual's record has a PE_Fam-spot field.? How do I display the
>> PE_Fname of the person with the PE_Fam-spot of "A" where PE_IDHH
>> equals HH_ID?
>>
>> It feels as though this should be simple, but I'm just not getting it.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>
>> T
>>
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>> 231-322-2787
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>
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