From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Sep  2 21:38:18 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 02:38:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <5B889173.31361.395CD95B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <448f922a-4361-7bb2-1c6c-0bce03f5f723@Gmail.com>,
	<BN6PR16MB17627846B004E8E8882F794192080@BN6PR16MB1762.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<5B889173.31361.395CD95B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB167394A31CFE6D1C8261CE9BFC0C0@SY3PR01MB1673.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

We have a reg hack that prevents windows from downloading updates automatically.  It just parks them until we agree to download them.  Very useful.

Another handy thing is to goto into the updates advanced settings and tweak the delivery optimisation options.  We only allow our units to send and receive updates from MS directly and/or our local network - not the entire internet.  This stops your PC from being a proxy torrent for updates to other pc's online.

We also limit the available bandwidth for updates to about 15% of total available.  This helps prevent updates from throttling the internet to the point of unusable (which used to happen a lot before you could apply these limits).

Cheers
Darryl.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Registry tweaks

Yep, especially the disabling of Wn 10 "phone home" and automatic updates which are a major probem for some of my clients here who have seen a huge increase in their expensive internet usage as they put more Win 10 worktations in!

On 30 Aug 2018 at 23:13, Bill Patten wrote:

> Thanks John,
> 
> There is some great stuff in there. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; 
> jwcolby at gmail.com Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
> 
> I ran across this "optimize windows for mining" article.  Not 
> interested in mining per se however of interest to me was a batch file 
> download down at the bottom for automating registry hacks for turning 
> off various things.  Of interest to me was what was being disabled as 
> well as how to perform the adds and deletes.  Pretty cool stuff.  The 
> guy turned the bat into a txt file which chrome just opened and 
> displayed.  You could turn it back into a bat file for execution, 
> commenting out things you don't want done, or for that matter adding 
> other things that you like done.
> 
> https://mine2themax.com/optimize-windows10-mining/#tab-con-2
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 07:22:47 2018
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:22:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR10MB07608A520A0EB5BB769FDB1ECA0F0@DB6PR10MB0760.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <DB6PR10MB07608A520A0EB5BB769FDB1ECA0F0@DB6PR10MB0760.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <6cba5a15-5aa6-ce3f-e234-5389bf677528@Gmail.com>

Gustav,

As I mentioned in my email, I was not commenting one way or the other on 
what specifically was being enabled or disabled.? I just found the 
"Accumulate registry tweaks in a batch file" concept to be useful, as 
well as the clear demonstration of precisely how to do that.? Having 
that info in hand, as one accumulates tweaks relevant to that person, 
this is a place to go to put those tweaks.? Over the years I have found 
many registry tweaks that I have no clue today what they were nor where 
to find them.

I have to say that I didn't even look at, nor having looked at even 
understand, each of the tweaks in there.? Those you mention are a good 
example of "WTF" kind of stuff.? But it seems to be important to the 
person writing the article so good for him I guess.

jwc


On 8/31/2018 1:57 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hmm, many of these do nothing for processing speed, like:
>
> Replace Utilman with CMD
> Disable Windows Search
> show computer shortcut on the desktop
> Show file extensions
> Disable lock screen
> Enable classic control panel view
> Hide indication for compressed NTFS files
> Remove Pin to start
> Classic vertical icon spacing
> Remove versioning tab from properties
> Disable jump lists
> Change Logon screen background with accent color
> Removing Windows default apps
>
> And others would seriously degrade usefulness for a normal workstation:
>
> Disable Windows Search
> Disable Windows Defender
> Disable OneDrive
>
> So: "I've saved the best for last." should read: "How to disable your workstation".
>
> If you want a really fast machine for a special task like mining, run Windows Server in Console mode. Or Linux.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af John Colby
> Sendt: 30. august 2018 18:08
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; jwcolby at gmail.com
> Emne: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
> I ran across this "optimize windows for mining" article.? Not interested in mining per se however of interest to me was a batch file download down at the bottom for automating registry hacks for turning off various things.? Of interest to me was what was being disabled as well as how to perform the adds and deletes.? Pretty cool stuff.? The guy turned the bat into a txt file which chrome just opened and displayed.? You could turn it back into a bat file for execution, commenting out things you don't want done, or for that matter adding other things that you like done.
>
> https://mine2themax.com/optimize-windows10-mining/#tab-con-2
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  5 08:00:51 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:00:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Rnd as Double (was: Create a random date/time)
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0761FF3BD11F4021CA721B64CA020@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

I wondered how to generate a pseudo random value as a double - like Rnd does for a single.

This, I believe, can be done by calling Rnd twice, shifting one of the values "below the range of a single", and add the two values, thus obtaining more significant digits.

It is simpler than it may sound:

<code>
Public Function RndDbl(Optional ByRef Number As Single) As Double

    ' Exponent to shift the significant digits of a single to
    ' the least significant digits of a double.
    Const Exponent  As Long = 7
    
    Dim Value       As Double
    
    ' Generate two values like:
    '   0.1851513
    '   0.000000072890967130661
    ' and add these.
    Value = CDbl(Rnd(Number)) + CDbl(Rnd(Number) * 10 ^ -Exponent)
    
    ' Return value like:
    '   0.185151372890967
    RndDbl = Value
    
End Function
</code>

Then call it with a dynamic seed using Timer:

    PseudoRandomDouble = RndDbl(-Timer)

What do you think?

/gustav

PS: I posted here on 2015-08-31 a replacement for the date function below.

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 29. august 2015 03:22
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Create a random date/time

Rnd * Rnd is NOT a "trick to create a random date/time".

It is a trick to create "more significant digits" than the Single returned by a Rnd.

Unfortunately it has a VERY  bad side effect. Multiplying random numbers together alters the probablility distribution.  http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniformProductDistribution.html

A better way would be to use Rnd twice in a different way. First to generate the Date part and a second time to generate the time part, then add then together.

--
Stuart

On 28 Aug 2015 at 15:29, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Have you ever wondered how to create a random date/time?
> 
> Well I hadn't, but it is not that difficult. The trick is using Rnd
> twice:
> 
>     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(#12/31/9999#) - CLng(#1/1/100#)) * Rnd *
>     Rnd + CLng(#1/1/100#))
> 
> The full story is here:
> 
>     http://stackoverflow.com/a/32265346/3527297
> 
> If you want a value within a given range, you can use this simple
> function:
> 
> <code>
> Public Function DateRandom( _
>     Optional ByVal UpperDate As Date = #12/31/9999#, _
>     Optional ByVal LowerDate As Date = #1/1/100#) _
>     As Date
> 
> '   Generates a random date/time - optionally within the range of
> LowerDate and/or UpperDate. ' '   2015-08-28. Gustav Brock, Cactus
> Data ApS, CPH.
> 
>     Dim RandomDate  As Date
> 
>     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(UpperDate) - CLng(LowerDate)) * Rnd * Rnd
>     + CLng(LowerDate))
> 
>     DateRandom = RandomDate
> 
> End Function
> </code>
> 
> /gustav 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep  5 08:51:19 2018
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 23:51:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Rnd as Double (was: Create a random date/time)
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0761FF3BD11F4021CA721B64CA020@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761FF3BD11F4021CA721B64CA020@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5B8FDF57.5152.111DB0F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Can be simplified to just:

    Randomize Number
    RndDbl = Rnd() / 10000000 + Rnd()



On 5 Sep 2018 at 13:00, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I wondered how to generate a pseudo random value as a double - like
> Rnd does for a single.
> 
> This, I believe, can be done by calling Rnd twice, shifting one of the
> values "below the range of a single", and add the two values, thus
> obtaining more significant digits.
> 
> It is simpler than it may sound:
> 
> <code>
> Public Function RndDbl(Optional ByRef Number As Single) As Double
> 
>     ' Exponent to shift the significant digits of a single to
>     ' the least significant digits of a double.
>     Const Exponent  As Long = 7
> 
>     Dim Value       As Double
> 
>     ' Generate two values like:
>     '   0.1851513
>     '   0.000000072890967130661
>     ' and add these.
>     Value = CDbl(Rnd(Number)) + CDbl(Rnd(Number) * 10 ^ -Exponent)
> 
>     ' Return value like:
>     '   0.185151372890967
>     RndDbl = Value
> 
> End Function
> </code>
> 
> Then call it with a dynamic seed using Timer:
> 
>     PseudoRandomDouble = RndDbl(-Timer)
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> PS: I posted here on 2015-08-31 a replacement for the date function
> below.
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Stuart
> McLachlan Sendt: 29. august 2015 03:22 Til: Access Developers
> discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Emne:
> Re: [AccessD] Create a random date/time
> 
> Rnd * Rnd is NOT a "trick to create a random date/time".
> 
> It is a trick to create "more significant digits" than the Single
> returned by a Rnd.
> 
> Unfortunately it has a VERY  bad side effect. Multiplying random
> numbers together alters the probablility distribution. 
> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniformProductDistribution.html
> 
> A better way would be to use Rnd twice in a different way. First to
> generate the Date part and a second time to generate the time part,
> then add then together.
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 28 Aug 2015 at 15:29, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Have you ever wondered how to create a random date/time?
> > 
> > Well I hadn't, but it is not that difficult. The trick is using Rnd
> > twice:
> > 
> >     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(#12/31/9999#) - CLng(#1/1/100#)) * Rnd
> >     * Rnd + CLng(#1/1/100#))
> > 
> > The full story is here:
> > 
> >     http://stackoverflow.com/a/32265346/3527297
> > 
> > If you want a value within a given range, you can use this simple
> > function:
> > 
> > <code>
> > Public Function DateRandom( _
> >     Optional ByVal UpperDate As Date = #12/31/9999#, _
> >     Optional ByVal LowerDate As Date = #1/1/100#) _
> >     As Date
> > 
> > '   Generates a random date/time - optionally within the range of
> > LowerDate and/or UpperDate. ' '   2015-08-28. Gustav Brock, Cactus
> > Data ApS, CPH.
> > 
> >     Dim RandomDate  As Date
> > 
> >     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(UpperDate) - CLng(LowerDate)) * Rnd *
> >     Rnd
> >     + CLng(LowerDate))
> > 
> >     DateRandom = RandomDate
> > 
> > End Function
> > </code>
> > 
> > /gustav 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  5 09:01:34 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:01:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Rnd as Double (was: Create a random date/time)
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB07618D41FE15AA4FF97A21D7CA020@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Stuart

Yes. Sort of. Without the parameter, it wouldn't work as a direct replacement for Rnd.

But it was rather if anyone could find a trap in this simple method?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 5. september 2018 15:51
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Rnd as Double (was: Create a random date/time)

Can be simplified to just:

    Randomize Number
    RndDbl = Rnd() / 10000000 + Rnd()



On 5 Sep 2018 at 13:00, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I wondered how to generate a pseudo random value as a double - like 
> Rnd does for a single.
> 
> This, I believe, can be done by calling Rnd twice, shifting one of the 
> values "below the range of a single", and add the two values, thus 
> obtaining more significant digits.
> 
> It is simpler than it may sound:
> 
> <code>
> Public Function RndDbl(Optional ByRef Number As Single) As Double
> 
>     ' Exponent to shift the significant digits of a single to
>     ' the least significant digits of a double.
>     Const Exponent  As Long = 7
> 
>     Dim Value       As Double
> 
>     ' Generate two values like:
>     '   0.1851513
>     '   0.000000072890967130661
>     ' and add these.
>     Value = CDbl(Rnd(Number)) + CDbl(Rnd(Number) * 10 ^ -Exponent)
> 
>     ' Return value like:
>     '   0.185151372890967
>     RndDbl = Value
> 
> End Function
> </code>
> 
> Then call it with a dynamic seed using Timer:
> 
>     PseudoRandomDouble = RndDbl(-Timer)
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> PS: I posted here on 2015-08-31 a replacement for the date function 
> below.
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Stuart 
> McLachlan Sendt: 29. august 2015 03:22 Til: Access Developers 
> discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Emne:
> Re: [AccessD] Create a random date/time
> 
> Rnd * Rnd is NOT a "trick to create a random date/time".
> 
> It is a trick to create "more significant digits" than the Single 
> returned by a Rnd.
> 
> Unfortunately it has a VERY  bad side effect. Multiplying random 
> numbers together alters the probablility distribution.
> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniformProductDistribution.html
> 
> A better way would be to use Rnd twice in a different way. First to 
> generate the Date part and a second time to generate the time part, 
> then add then together.
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 28 Aug 2015 at 15:29, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Have you ever wondered how to create a random date/time?
> > 
> > Well I hadn't, but it is not that difficult. The trick is using Rnd
> > twice:
> > 
> >     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(#12/31/9999#) - CLng(#1/1/100#)) * Rnd
> >     * Rnd + CLng(#1/1/100#))
> > 
> > The full story is here:
> > 
> >     http://stackoverflow.com/a/32265346/3527297
> > 
> > If you want a value within a given range, you can use this simple
> > function:
> > 
> > <code>
> > Public Function DateRandom( _
> >     Optional ByVal UpperDate As Date = #12/31/9999#, _
> >     Optional ByVal LowerDate As Date = #1/1/100#) _
> >     As Date
> > 
> > '   Generates a random date/time - optionally within the range of
> > LowerDate and/or UpperDate. ' '   2015-08-28. Gustav Brock, Cactus
> > Data ApS, CPH.
> > 
> >     Dim RandomDate  As Date
> > 
> >     RandomDate = CDate((CLng(UpperDate) - CLng(LowerDate)) * Rnd *
> >     Rnd
> >     + CLng(LowerDate))
> > 
> >     DateRandom = RandomDate
> > 
> > End Function
> > </code>
> > 
> > /gustav 


From fahooper at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 14:55:08 2018
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:55:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access crashes when assigning empty recordset
Message-ID: <3d666bcd-f5ca-f61c-67c8-c76133da9774@gmail.com>

I'm debugging an A2003 front end to a SQL Server 2017 back end. All data 
sourcing is though stored procedures, using ADO; all associated code is 
centralized. I'm filling a subform; which of two subforms is filled 
depends on a value in the parent form. The unused subform is disabled 
and hidden.

  * As I move through the records of the parent form the subforms fill
    correctly.
  * When I add a new record of each type, both work correctly.
  * When I attempt to change the type for a record the crash occurs.
      o The code to do so is the same code as the first two items above
      o Here are the steps:
          + Create the recordset -- works properly
          + Code that assigns the recordset:

frm.RecordSource = ""
Set frm.Recordset = Nothing
If rst.State = adStateOpen Then
Set frm.Recordset = rst -- it crashes here!
rst.CLOSE
End If
Set rst = Nothing

          + These disconnected recordsets work perfectly everywhere (so
            far) except for this; if they are created with optimistic
            locking they are editable and can be appended to, if read
            only they are that. All use a client side cursor and are
            loaded forward only -- but navigable in the forms.
          + It is crashing only on loading an empty recordset, but with
            anything except switching the value in the parent form empty
            recordsets load without issue. The changing value in the
            parent form isn't referenced anywhere in the loading code;
            it just affects which code is executed.
          + In looking at the recordset at the crash point it has (1)
            zero records; (2) EOF = True; and, (3) BOF = True -- all the
            expected values.
          + An identical empty recordset in the master record created
            with the value I'm changing to has records added without any
            problems.
  * In writing this I realized that I can write a stored procedure to
    make the change in the database and reload the form. I'm confident
    that will work, but it seems kludgy.

Any ideas?

TIA,
Fred

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 20:13:57 2018
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:13:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access crashes when assigning empty recordset
In-Reply-To: <3d666bcd-f5ca-f61c-67c8-c76133da9774@gmail.com>
References: <3d666bcd-f5ca-f61c-67c8-c76133da9774@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8O61qN5Si6hwa4DNRQDSi0r8xcVhKUTw2tiKfyiYh4vQ@mail.gmail.com>

I suppose it might be possible that setting the frm.recordset to nothing
leaves you in a state where you cannot assign a recordset to it.  What
happens if you comment out that line?  Does it give you the same error or a
different one?  And what is the error?  Honestly, I can't recall every
trying to set a subform's recordset.


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM Fred Hooper <fahooper at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm debugging an A2003 front end to a SQL Server 2017 back end. All data
> sourcing is though stored procedures, using ADO; all associated code is
> centralized. I'm filling a subform; which of two subforms is filled
> depends on a value in the parent form. The unused subform is disabled
> and hidden.
>
>   * As I move through the records of the parent form the subforms fill
>     correctly.
>   * When I add a new record of each type, both work correctly.
>   * When I attempt to change the type for a record the crash occurs.
>       o The code to do so is the same code as the first two items above
>       o Here are the steps:
>           + Create the recordset -- works properly
>           + Code that assigns the recordset:
>
> frm.RecordSource = ""
> Set frm.Recordset = Nothing
> If rst.State = adStateOpen Then
> Set frm.Recordset = rst -- it crashes here!
> rst.CLOSE
> End If
> Set rst = Nothing
>
>           + These disconnected recordsets work perfectly everywhere (so
>             far) except for this; if they are created with optimistic
>             locking they are editable and can be appended to, if read
>             only they are that. All use a client side cursor and are
>             loaded forward only -- but navigable in the forms.
>           + It is crashing only on loading an empty recordset, but with
>             anything except switching the value in the parent form empty
>             recordsets load without issue. The changing value in the
>             parent form isn't referenced anywhere in the loading code;
>             it just affects which code is executed.
>           + In looking at the recordset at the crash point it has (1)
>             zero records; (2) EOF = True; and, (3) BOF = True -- all the
>             expected values.
>           + An identical empty recordset in the master record created
>             with the value I'm changing to has records added without any
>             problems.
>   * In writing this I realized that I can write a stored procedure to
>     make the change in the database and reload the form. I'm confident
>     that will work, but it seems kludgy.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA,
> Fred
> --
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>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Sep 11 20:35:14 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:35:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access crashes when assigning empty recordset
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8O61qN5Si6hwa4DNRQDSi0r8xcVhKUTw2tiKfyiYh4vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d666bcd-f5ca-f61c-67c8-c76133da9774@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8O61qN5Si6hwa4DNRQDSi0r8xcVhKUTw2tiKfyiYh4vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ME1PR01MB1667F16237FE9548DA6A66E2FC1B0@ME1PR01MB1667.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Yes,  That would be where I would start too given it seems to be the cause of your issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2018 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access crashes when assigning empty recordset

I suppose it might be possible that setting the frm.recordset to nothing leaves you in a state where you cannot assign a recordset to it.  What happens if you comment out that line?  Does it give you the same error or a different one?  And what is the error?  Honestly, I can't recall every trying to set a subform's recordset.


Charlotte Foust
(916) 206-4336


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM Fred Hooper <fahooper at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm debugging an A2003 front end to a SQL Server 2017 back end. All 
> data sourcing is though stored procedures, using ADO; all associated 
> code is centralized. I'm filling a subform; which of two subforms is 
> filled depends on a value in the parent form. The unused subform is 
> disabled and hidden.
>
>   * As I move through the records of the parent form the subforms fill
>     correctly.
>   * When I add a new record of each type, both work correctly.
>   * When I attempt to change the type for a record the crash occurs.
>       o The code to do so is the same code as the first two items above
>       o Here are the steps:
>           + Create the recordset -- works properly
>           + Code that assigns the recordset:
>
> frm.RecordSource = ""
> Set frm.Recordset = Nothing
> If rst.State = adStateOpen Then
> Set frm.Recordset = rst -- it crashes here!
> rst.CLOSE
> End If
> Set rst = Nothing
>
>           + These disconnected recordsets work perfectly everywhere (so
>             far) except for this; if they are created with optimistic
>             locking they are editable and can be appended to, if read
>             only they are that. All use a client side cursor and are
>             loaded forward only -- but navigable in the forms.
>           + It is crashing only on loading an empty recordset, but with
>             anything except switching the value in the parent form empty
>             recordsets load without issue. The changing value in the
>             parent form isn't referenced anywhere in the loading code;
>             it just affects which code is executed.
>           + In looking at the recordset at the crash point it has (1)
>             zero records; (2) EOF = True; and, (3) BOF = True -- all the
>             expected values.
>           + An identical empty recordset in the master record created
>             with the value I'm changing to has records added without any
>             problems.
>   * In writing this I realized that I can write a stored procedure to
>     make the change in the database and reload the form. I'm confident
>     that will work, but it seems kludgy.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA,
> Fred
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From fahooper at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 21:19:48 2018
From: fahooper at gmail.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:19:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access crashes when assigning empty recordset
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8O61qN5Si6hwa4DNRQDSi0r8xcVhKUTw2tiKfyiYh4vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d666bcd-f5ca-f61c-67c8-c76133da9774@gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8O61qN5Si6hwa4DNRQDSi0r8xcVhKUTw2tiKfyiYh4vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+-Ry+4-6UwULY+-0osCCAGK31Jy9z0RxCA6BhGXGoz3odhurg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately if I comment out the line that
sets the recordset to nothing it still crashes.

So I tried changing the value on the server with a stored procedure and
used well-tested ?refresh? code (it has to be refreshed by executing a SP;
Access can?t Refresh an ADO recordset). That failed too. Finally I changed
the value, closed and reopened the form ? which worked.

I guess I?m in some form of never never land. But it?s so fast; I?m getting
5 ms form fill and refresh times.

The refresh approach (and code) that failed works perfectly for subforms;
this was my first use of it for a main form. Happily, there isn?t another
form like this one, so I?ll probably keep the close/open kludge.

My memory is that you wrote something about disconnected recordsets, it was
part of getting me started on this approach ? for which I also thank you.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:15 PM Charlotte Foust <charlotte.foust at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suppose it might be possible that setting the frm.recordset to nothing
> leaves you in a state where you cannot assign a recordset to it.  What
> happens if you comment out that line?  Does it give you the same error or a
> different one?  And what is the error?  Honestly, I can't recall every
> trying to set a subform's recordset.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust
> (916) 206-4336
>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 15 04:22:44 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:22:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB0761DE92499B7928D900723ECA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Finally, I have found the time to collect and polish my functions for sequential or random numbering of rows and records in Access:

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.RowNumbers

A demo is located in the folder demos.
Links to the two articles on the subject can be found at the bottom of the readme.

/gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 15 06:13:40 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:13:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB0761DE92499B7928D900723ECA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761DE92499B7928D900723ECA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB07611BA8E5D49BE18E90A9B9CA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Finally, I have found the time to collect and polish my functions for sequential or random numbering of rows and records in Access:

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.RowNumbers

A demo is located in the folder demos.
Links to the two articles on the subject can be found at the bottom of the readme.

/gustav


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 18 02:35:07 2018
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:35:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR10MB07611BA8E5D49BE18E90A9B9CA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR10MB0761DE92499B7928D900723ECA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<HE1PR10MB07611BA8E5D49BE18E90A9B9CA180@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1134381949.487976239.1537256107433.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Impressive work. You must have spent a good deal of time getting it all just right. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:13:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access

Hi all

Finally, I have found the time to collect and polish my functions for sequential or random numbering of rows and records in Access:

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.RowNumbers

A demo is located in the folder demos.
Links to the two articles on the subject can be found at the bottom of the readme.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 18 02:43:39 2018
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:43:39 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access
Message-ID: <HE1PR10MB07618858EA6FD7F8B6D43B43CA1D0@HE1PR10MB0761.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Jim

Thanks. I did have most of the bits and pieces - from years ago - but when you look at with fresh eyes, you start tweaking.
What takes the most time, is creating the examples and to prepare for screenshots and, of course, the writing. As with programming, it always takes twice the time you initially expect.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 18. september 2018 09:35
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access

Hi Gustav:

Impressive work. You must have spent a good deal of time getting it all just right. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:13:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Row numbering in Access

Hi all

Finally, I have found the time to collect and polish my functions for sequential or random numbering of rows and records in Access:

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.RowNumbers

A demo is located in the folder demos.
Links to the two articles on the subject can be found at the bottom of the readme.

/gustav 


From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Sep 18 20:54:18 2018
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 01:54:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB1220974F5AFFC8B7058660C3BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Having a brain cramp.  I have an access FE/BE app that people run using the full version of Access 2003.  Periodically, the FE app decompiles on a user and causes slowdowns and issues, so I have a little batch file that they can run to copy a cleaned Compiled version to their local C drive, overwriting the fault FE file.  Then they click on their normal icon that starts the Access FE from the C drive and away they go.

I am trying to make these two icons/processes into one icon.  So process would be:

Copy S:\MyApp\Compiled.mdb C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb

I put both of those lines in a BAT file and they both execute just fine, however a Command prompt stays open showing "1 files copied" which I know is from the first line of the bat file.  Access then opens and person can work, but the command prompt window is still open. Once person quits out of Access, command prompt closes, which I know is because there are lines left to run in the bat file.

The above all makes sense, but I can't remember how to use either START or CMD /C or CMD /K, etc. to force the BAT file to close after it starts running Access so the person doesn't see the window.   Or what other way can this be done (I'm know it is simple, just drawing a blank.)  I know FMS has a tool to maintain FE Updates, but not sure how it works.

Thanks for any help - hope it made sense.

John

---

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sBOR Office Systems
jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>



From jbodin at sbor.com  Tue Sep 18 22:10:43 2018
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:10:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR04MB1220974F5AFFC8B7058660C3BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR04MB1220974F5AFFC8B7058660C3BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB1220164682913E829DFC3C83BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I found that I had to provide a "Title" when using the Start command when starting a Program.  I didn't use that parameter so the DOS window stayed open.  My second line of the batch file is now is:

START "sometitle" C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb 

and that seems to let the DOS command prompt terminate while Access opens and appears to work fine.

Any better ideas, I'm all ears.  Don't know how memory usage is affected by starting Access using the method I am trying.

Thank you.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

Having a brain cramp.  I have an access FE/BE app that people run using the full version of Access 2003.  Periodically, the FE app decompiles on a user and causes slowdowns and issues, so I have a little batch file that they can run to copy a cleaned Compiled version to their local C drive, overwriting the fault FE file.  Then they click on their normal icon that starts the Access FE from the C drive and away they go.

I am trying to make these two icons/processes into one icon.  So process would be:

Copy S:\MyApp\Compiled.mdb C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb

I put both of those lines in a BAT file and they both execute just fine, however a Command prompt stays open showing "1 files copied" which I know is from the first line of the bat file.  Access then opens and person can work, but the command prompt window is still open. Once person quits out of Access, command prompt closes, which I know is because there are lines left to run in the bat file.

The above all makes sense, but I can't remember how to use either START or CMD /C or CMD /K, etc. to force the BAT file to close after it starts running Access so the person doesn't see the window.   Or what other way can this be done (I'm know it is simple, just drawing a blank.)  I know FMS has a tool to maintain FE Updates, but not sure how it works.

Thanks for any help - hope it made sense.

John

---

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From JoeO at appoli.com  Wed Sep 19 10:03:48 2018
From: JoeO at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:03:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR04MB1220164682913E829DFC3C83BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR04MB1220974F5AFFC8B7058660C3BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BN6PR04MB1220164682913E829DFC3C83BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DFED4CFC7DCF9E4D87C79EF2DF274B13BFD75A07@mail1.onappsusers.com>

John,

A lot of the applications that I develop run on a terminal server.  The latest version of an Access application is placed in a folder that is accessible by all users.  The users have a shortcut on their desktop that runs a VB script that copies the application to a local folder for each user and then starts the application.  This way I am sure that all users are using the latest version of the software, they always have a clean copy so there is no concern with bloat, and by appending the name of the client PC to the file name multiple people can be logged with the same account but each will be running their own version of the  FE.  The path and names will need to be changed for your needs.

Joe O'Connell

    On error Resume Next
    Dim strCopyFrom
    Dim strCopyTo
    Dim strRunCmd
    Dim strUser 
    Dim strClient
    Dim fso
    Dim objNetwork 
    Dim shell

    Set objNetwork = CreateObject("Wscript.Network")
    strUser = objNetwork.UserName
'wscript.echo strUser
    Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    strClient = objShell.ExpandEnvironmentStrings("%clientname%")
'wscript.echo strClient

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") 
    strCopyFrom = "path\name of Access.mde"
    strCopyTo = "local path-" & strClient & ".mde"
    strRunCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\MSACCESS.EXE" & Chr(34) & " " & Chr(34) & strCopyTo & Chr(34)
'wscript.echo "Check if exist"
    If (fso.FileExists(strCopyTo)) = True Then
        fso.DeleteFile strCopyTo
        If Err.number = 0  Then
'            wscript.echo "Delete Successful"
        Else
            wscript.echo "Delete Failed" & vbcrlf & err.description
        End If
    End If
'wscript.echo "Copy file"
    fso.CopyFile strCopyFrom, strCopyTo, True
    If err.number = 0 Then
'        wscript.echo "Program copied"
    Else
          wscript.echo "Error while copy of test program" & vbcrlf & err.description
    End If

    Set shell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    shell.Run strRunCmd, 1, false
    Set shell = Nothing

    strCopyFrom = vbNullString
    strCopyTo = vbNullString
    strRunCmd = vbNullString
    Set fso = Nothing
    Set objNetwork  = Nothing
    Set shell = Nothing

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

I found that I had to provide a "Title" when using the Start command when starting a Program.  I didn't use that parameter so the DOS window stayed open.  My second line of the batch file is now is:

START "sometitle" C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb 

and that seems to let the DOS command prompt terminate while Access opens and appears to work fine.

Any better ideas, I'm all ears.  Don't know how memory usage is affected by starting Access using the method I am trying.

Thank you.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

Having a brain cramp.  I have an access FE/BE app that people run using the full version of Access 2003.  Periodically, the FE app decompiles on a user and causes slowdowns and issues, so I have a little batch file that they can run to copy a cleaned Compiled version to their local C drive, overwriting the fault FE file.  Then they click on their normal icon that starts the Access FE from the C drive and away they go.

I am trying to make these two icons/processes into one icon.  So process would be:

Copy S:\MyApp\Compiled.mdb C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb

I put both of those lines in a BAT file and they both execute just fine, however a Command prompt stays open showing "1 files copied" which I know is from the first line of the bat file.  Access then opens and person can work, but the command prompt window is still open. Once person quits out of Access, command prompt closes, which I know is because there are lines left to run in the bat file.

The above all makes sense, but I can't remember how to use either START or CMD /C or CMD /K, etc. to force the BAT file to close after it starts running Access so the person doesn't see the window.   Or what other way can this be done (I'm know it is simple, just drawing a blank.)  I know FMS has a tool to maintain FE Updates, but not sure how it works.

Thanks for any help - hope it made sense.

John

---

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Sep 19 10:17:44 2018
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:17:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt
In-Reply-To: <DFED4CFC7DCF9E4D87C79EF2DF274B13BFD75A07@mail1.onappsusers.com>
References: <BN6PR04MB1220974F5AFFC8B7058660C3BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BN6PR04MB1220164682913E829DFC3C83BD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<DFED4CFC7DCF9E4D87C79EF2DF274B13BFD75A07@mail1.onappsusers.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR04MB122049E3727914A5145BFA8ABD1C0@BN6PR04MB1220.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Joe.  Nice alternative.  I would have to deal with the deleting of the existing file in case the user has two copies open (multiple screen app) which I could test probably with the Errorcode=5.  Will look into this option.


John






John Bodin

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________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Joe O'Connell <JoeO at appoli.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

John,

A lot of the applications that I develop run on a terminal server.  The latest version of an Access application is placed in a folder that is accessible by all users.  The users have a shortcut on their desktop that runs a VB script that copies the application to a local folder for each user and then starts the application.  This way I am sure that all users are using the latest version of the software, they always have a clean copy so there is no concern with bloat, and by appending the name of the client PC to the file name multiple people can be logged with the same account but each will be running their own version of the  FE.  The path and names will need to be changed for your needs.

Joe O'Connell

    On error Resume Next
    Dim strCopyFrom
    Dim strCopyTo
    Dim strRunCmd
    Dim strUser
    Dim strClient
    Dim fso
    Dim objNetwork
    Dim shell

    Set objNetwork = CreateObject("Wscript.Network")
    strUser = objNetwork.UserName
'wscript.echo strUser
    Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    strClient = objShell.ExpandEnvironmentStrings("%clientname%")
'wscript.echo strClient

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    strCopyFrom = "path\name of Access.mde"
    strCopyTo = "local path-" & strClient & ".mde"
    strRunCmd = Chr(34) & "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\MSACCESS.EXE" & Chr(34) & " " & Chr(34) & strCopyTo & Chr(34)
'wscript.echo "Check if exist"
    If (fso.FileExists(strCopyTo)) = True Then
        fso.DeleteFile strCopyTo
        If Err.number = 0  Then
'            wscript.echo "Delete Successful"
        Else
            wscript.echo "Delete Failed" & vbcrlf & err.description
        End If
    End If
'wscript.echo "Copy file"
    fso.CopyFile strCopyFrom, strCopyTo, True
    If err.number = 0 Then
'        wscript.echo "Program copied"
    Else
          wscript.echo "Error while copy of test program" & vbcrlf & err.description
    End If

    Set shell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
    shell.Run strRunCmd, 1, false
    Set shell = Nothing

    strCopyFrom = vbNullString
    strCopyTo = vbNullString
    strRunCmd = vbNullString
    Set fso = Nothing
    Set objNetwork  = Nothing
    Set shell = Nothing

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

I found that I had to provide a "Title" when using the Start command when starting a Program.  I didn't use that parameter so the DOS window stayed open.  My second line of the batch file is now is:

START "sometitle" C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb

and that seems to let the DOS command prompt terminate while Access opens and appears to work fine.

Any better ideas, I'm all ears.  Don't know how memory usage is affected by starting Access using the method I am trying.

Thank you.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Starting Access from a command prompt

Having a brain cramp.  I have an access FE/BE app that people run using the full version of Access 2003.  Periodically, the FE app decompiles on a user and causes slowdowns and issues, so I have a little batch file that they can run to copy a cleaned Compiled version to their local C drive, overwriting the fault FE file.  Then they click on their normal icon that starts the Access FE from the C drive and away they go.

I am trying to make these two icons/processes into one icon.  So process would be:

Copy S:\MyApp\Compiled.mdb C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office11\MSAccess.Exe C:\MyApp\MyProg.mdb

I put both of those lines in a BAT file and they both execute just fine, however a Command prompt stays open showing "1 files copied" which I know is from the first line of the bat file.  Access then opens and person can work, but the command prompt window is still open. Once person quits out of Access, command prompt closes, which I know is because there are lines left to run in the bat file.

The above all makes sense, but I can't remember how to use either START or CMD /C or CMD /K, etc. to force the BAT file to close after it starts running Access so the person doesn't see the window.   Or what other way can this be done (I'm know it is simple, just drawing a blank.)  I know FMS has a tool to maintain FE Updates, but not sure how it works.

Thanks for any help - hope it made sense.

John

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 19 21:21:21 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:21:21 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
Message-ID: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Hi Listers,

 

Access 2010.  Access table back end.

 

I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in the
list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should have
a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the same
time by checking boxes. 

 

I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.

 

I have the same problem if I open any table directly.

 

Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?

 

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand

 

 

 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 03:04:36 2018
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:04:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>

You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
filter.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
>
>
> Access 2010.  Access table back end.
>
>
>
> I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
> in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in the
> list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should have
> a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> same
> time by checking boxes.
>
>
>
> I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
>
>
>
> I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
>
>
>
> Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 04:34:40 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:34:40 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801d450c5$28139b60$783ad220$@dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for the reply Charlotte.

Am I confusing the built in filters with Excel?  I thought I had seen them
in Access.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
filter.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
> Access 2010.  Access table back end.
>
> I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
> in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
the
> list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
have
> a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> same
> time by checking boxes.
>
> I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
>
> I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
>
> Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 04:38:47 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:38:47 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901d450c5$bb3bb9e0$31b32da0$@dalyn.co.nz>

Here is a link to a page that illustrates what I am missing:

https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/apply-a-filter-to-view-select-recor
ds-in-an-access-database-2a493ded-e544-4144-9103-b9b1d1865147

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
filter.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
> Access 2010.  Access table back end.
>
> I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
> in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
the
> list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
have
> a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> same
> time by checking boxes.
>
> I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
>
> I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
>
> Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 04:42:34 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:42:34 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>

Found the answer.  In the options for the Current database is a filter
option "Don't display records when more than this number is read".  It was
set to 0 (I thought this means no limit).  I changed it to 1000 and the
selection lists appeared.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
filter.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
> Access 2010.  Access table back end.
>
> I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
> in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
the
> list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
have
> a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> same
> time by checking boxes.
>
> I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
>
> I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
>
> Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 04:51:57 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:51:57 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <007b01d450c7$926c92d0$b745b870$@dalyn.co.nz>

However, now I find that only one filter can be applied using the check
boxes, then any other columns don't show the boxes (even though they are
showing if no columns are filtered).  Is this is feature of Access?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 9:43 p.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

Found the answer.  In the options for the Current database is a filter
option "Don't display records when more than this number is read".  It was
set to 0 (I thought this means no limit).  I changed it to 1000 and the
selection lists appeared.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
filter.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>
> Access 2010.  Access table back end.
>
> I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter dropdown
> in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
the
> list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
have
> a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> same
> time by checking boxes.
>
> I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
>
> I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
>
> Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand


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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 09:35:32 2018
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 07:35:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <007b01d450c7$926c92d0$b745b870$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<007b01d450c7$926c92d0$b745b870$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met86Ajyy8CTk+OihTm=ey=9-iJoc8Y-5pabiyOu0nSuykA@mail.gmail.com>

Filters are not meant for complex conditions so they are implemented in a
simple fashion.  The query engine can handle complex conditions and refuses
to execute if you are getting too complex.  The filter capability is there
for quickly viewing a subset of data but it does nothing more.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 2:53 AM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> However, now I find that only one filter can be applied using the check
> boxes, then any other columns don't show the boxes (even though they are
> showing if no columns are filtered).  Is this is feature of Access?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David Emerson
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 9:43 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> Found the answer.  In the options for the Current database is a filter
> option "Don't display records when more than this number is read".  It was
> set to 0 (I thought this means no limit).  I changed it to 1000 and the
> selection lists appeared.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
> filter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Access 2010.  Access table back end.
> >
> > I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter
> dropdown
> > in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters (eg
> > Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
> the
> > list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
> have
> > a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> > same
> > time by checking boxes.
> >
> > I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
> >
> > I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
> >
> > Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
> --
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 20 15:24:00 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:24:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met86Ajyy8CTk+OihTm=ey=9-iJoc8Y-5pabiyOu0nSuykA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>	<007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>	<007b01d450c7$926c92d0$b745b870$@dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAH+Met86Ajyy8CTk+OihTm=ey=9-iJoc8Y-5pabiyOu0nSuykA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d4511f$de2500b0$9a6f0210$@dalyn.co.nz>

Ah, thanks for the explanation.  It is always good to know why things are
what they are.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2018 2:36 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

Filters are not meant for complex conditions so they are implemented in a
simple fashion.  The query engine can handle complex conditions and refuses
to execute if you are getting too complex.  The filter capability is there
for quickly viewing a subset of data but it does nothing more.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 2:53 AM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> However, now I find that only one filter can be applied using the check
> boxes, then any other columns don't show the boxes (even though they are
> showing if no columns are filtered).  Is this is feature of Access?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David Emerson
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 9:43 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> Found the answer.  In the options for the Current database is a filter
> option "Don't display records when more than this number is read".  It was
> set to 0 (I thought this means no limit).  I changed it to 1000 and the
> selection lists appeared.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
> filter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Access 2010.  Access table back end.
> >
> > I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter
> dropdown
> > in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters
(eg
> > Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
> the
> > list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
> have
> > a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> > same
> > time by checking boxes.
> >
> > I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
> >
> > I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
> >
> > Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
> --
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Sep 23 17:24:22 2018
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:24:22 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <000b01d4511f$de2500b0$9a6f0210$@dalyn.co.nz>
References: <005801d45088$9f7a6540$de6f2fc0$@dalyn.co.nz>	<CAH+Met_bMXABJFdDX3bg7sP47zr7=nRUSMCmvSO01iNy6nXKKA@mail.gmail.com>	<007a01d450c6$425461c0$c6fd2540$@dalyn.co.nz>	<007b01d450c7$926c92d0$b745b870$@dalyn.co.nz>	<CAH+Met86Ajyy8CTk+OihTm=ey=9-iJoc8Y-5pabiyOu0nSuykA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000b01d4511f$de2500b0$9a6f0210$@dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000f01d4538c$2dc132b0$89439810$@dalyn.co.nz>

Update.  I found that if I base the form on a saved query (as opposed to
writing the query in the forms RecordSource) then the Value list check boxes
are available for more than 1 column.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2018 8:24 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

Ah, thanks for the explanation.  It is always good to know why things are
what they are.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2018 2:36 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View

Filters are not meant for complex conditions so they are implemented in a
simple fashion.  The query engine can handle complex conditions and refuses
to execute if you are getting too complex.  The filter capability is there
for quickly viewing a subset of data but it does nothing more.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 2:53 AM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:

> However, now I find that only one filter can be applied using the check
> boxes, then any other columns don't show the boxes (even though they are
> showing if no columns are filtered).  Is this is feature of Access?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> David Emerson
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 9:43 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> Found the answer.  In the options for the Current database is a filter
> option "Don't display records when more than this number is read".  It was
> set to 0 (I thought this means no limit).  I changed it to 1000 and the
> selection lists appeared.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 8:05 p.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filters in Datasheet View
>
> You have to use a query for that.  It is outside the capabilities of a
> filter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:22 PM David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Access 2010.  Access table back end.
> >
> > I have a datasheet view of a form which shows the sort and filter
> dropdown
> > in the column headings.  I see the sort options, and standard filters
(eg
> > Text filters for Equals, Does Not Equal, etc).  However, I don't see in
> the
> > list the options to select several items.  EG a countries field should
> have
> > a list of the countries in the data so that I can filter several at the
> > same
> > time by checking boxes.
> >
> > I have simplified the data source so that it is only 1 table.
> >
> > I have the same problem if I open any table directly.
> >
> > Is there a setting or condition that has turned this off?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Sep 24 20:40:56 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:40:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
Message-ID: <005501d45470$ce2d4290$6a87c7b0$@bchacc.com>

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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Skype: rocky.smolin

 

 


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Sep 24 23:31:40 2018
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:31:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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If the office version is 32 bit (on 64 bit windows) then "yes".  

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Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64 bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep 25 00:21:10 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:21:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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No, sorry, I was unclear.  Should have said compiled and run with 64-bit
Office instead of " compiled and run on a 64-bit machine"

r
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Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If the office version is 32 bit (on 64 bit windows) then "yes".  

-----Original Message-----
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Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Sep 25 08:34:24 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:34:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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<< If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  >>

Answer: it depends.

 If it has no calls to 3rd party DLL's, or references set to Active X
controls, then yes.

 Between PtrSafe and conditional complier constants, you can handle both 32
and 64 bit Access with a single DB.

<< Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office
64
bit boxes?>>

  No, not with 32 bit.   Because it's an .accde and lacking source code,
Access cannot re-compile on the fly.   You would need to create a .accde for
64 bit with Access 64 bit.

Jim.
 

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Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 10:50:06 2018
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:50:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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When i was running into memory limitations with Access 2013 32bit I looked
into moving to 64-bit, but most if not every recommendation I came across
said "just don't do it, it's not well tested". I have zero idea of that's
anecdotal or what.. but I stuck with the 32-bit version and with John
Colby's help wrote some JIT forms to keep my recordsets inactive until tabs
went into focus and so on and so forth using some of his class wizardry.

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep 25 10:57:05 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:57:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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	<07e601d454d4$79ff9560$6dfec020$@verizon.net>
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Looks like I gotta set up a VM on my box and load 54-bit Office and try it. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

<< If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  >>

Answer: it depends.

 If it has no calls to 3rd party DLL's, or references set to Active X
controls, then yes.

 Between PtrSafe and conditional complier constants, you can handle both 32
and 64 bit Access with a single DB.

<< Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office
64
bit boxes?>>

  No, not with 32 bit.   Because it's an .accde and lacking source code,
Access cannot re-compile on the fly.   You would need to create a .accde for
64 bit with Access 64 bit.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Sep 25 11:05:29 2018
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:05:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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If that doesn't work I'll go all the way up to 64 bit. :)

R


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

Looks like I gotta set up a VM on my box and load 54-bit Office and try it. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

<< If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  >>

Answer: it depends.

 If it has no calls to 3rd party DLL's, or references set to Active X
controls, then yes.

 Between PtrSafe and conditional complier constants, you can handle both 32
and 64 bit Access with a single DB.

<< Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office
64
bit boxes?>>

  No, not with 32 bit.   Because it's an .accde and lacking source code,
Access cannot re-compile on the fly.   You would need to create a .accde for
64 bit with Access 64 bit.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

 <http://www.e-z-mrp.com> www.e-z-mrp.com

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Sep 25 11:38:23 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:38:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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 That's the way to tackle it.   Also a couple of references to help:

Take a read through:

Compatibility Between the 32-bit and 64-bit Versions of Office 2010
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee691831(office.14).aspx

Especially read the section "Introducing the VBA 7 Code Base" for the
general overview.

All the new 64 bit calls those that were modified for 64 bit:

http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/confirmation.aspx?displaylang=en&id=997
0
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa383663(VS.85).aspx

 These have all the declare's you will need for calling anything in the
WinAPI.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:57 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

Looks like I gotta set up a VM on my box and load 54-bit Office and try it. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

<< If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  >>

Answer: it depends.

 If it has no calls to 3rd party DLL's, or references set to Active X
controls, then yes.

 Between PtrSafe and conditional complier constants, you can handle both 32
and 64 bit Access with a single DB.

<< Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office
64
bit boxes?>>

  No, not with 32 bit.   Because it's an .accde and lacking source code,
Access cannot re-compile on the fly.   You would need to create a .accde for
64 bit with Access 64 bit.

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

If an app is developed in 32-bit Access (2010 in this case), can it be
compiled and run on a 64-bit machine (with the addition of SafePtr in the
right places)?  

 

Can an accde be made on the 64 bit Access install and run on other Office 64
bit boxes?

 

MTIA

 

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

760-683-5777

 <http://www.bchacc.com> www.bchacc.com

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Sep 25 11:53:52 2018
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:53:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 32 vs 64
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 Not so much well tested, as nothing was available for it.

 DLL's, drivers, OCX's etc all need to be 64 bit and not much has been
available.   It wasn't even until recently that Microsoft has started to
push 64bit more, but at least most ODBC drivers are available in 64 bit now.
Considering that were ten years down the road, it's long overdue.  

 Office 2019 BTW will still be in both 32 and 64 bit (and it has been
released).    However it will only be installable on Windows 10, and only
with CTR (Click to Run).   No more MSI packages.

 I think too that Office 2019 will most likely be the last perpetual license
release.  That's based on the fact that they shortened the support cycle to
seven years and made it coincide with the end of support for Office 2016.

Jim.

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Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 32 vs 64

When i was running into memory limitations with Access 2013 32bit I looked
into moving to 64-bit, but most if not every recommendation I came across
said "just don't do it, it's not well tested". I have zero idea of that's
anecdotal or what.. but I stuck with the 32-bit version and with John
Colby's help wrote some JIT forms to keep my recordsets inactive until tabs
went into focus and so on and so forth using some of his class wizardry.
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