From mar.ko at verizon.net  Wed Jun  5 18:05:41 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd:  System Resources Exceeded
In-Reply-To: <018f01d5121d$c8353760$589fa620$@verizon.net>
References: <mailman.1367.1557444067.13018.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<1121739101.4727657.1558569452460@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAAZtbWH88cEBY8ph6mgiC5XKtkjLvGtV8b0tQQEJs2k3-RrrFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<84656874.4763354.1558571683554@mail.yahoo.com>
	<015001d51158$d5a8c760$80fa5620$@verizon.net>
	<448667428.5201938.1558642120436@mail.yahoo.com>
	<018f01d5121d$c8353760$589fa620$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1177412490.692871.1559775941735@mail.yahoo.com>

Jim - the Microsoft fix calls for a registry addition in LanManServer key.Should that mod be performed on the workstation or the server or both ?

Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman via AccessD <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>; 'Mark Simms' <mar.ko at verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:46 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: System Resources Exceeded

Mark,

<< the forms are causing the backend database to lock-up and require
everyone to log out.>>

OK, but what does "lock up" mean specifically?

Being that it's only Windows 10, at a wild guess, they are running into the
leasing bug:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/access-reports-that-databases-are-i
n-an-inconsistent-state-%EF%BB%BF-7ec975da-f7a9-4414-a306-d3a7c422dc1d

 This started with build 1803 of Windows last year and there still is no fix
for it.? Microsoft recommends disabling things server side, but supposedly
you can also disable on the client side by making the following registry
changes:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Para
meters]
"FileInfoCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000
"FileNotFoundCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000
"DirectoryCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000


That's more appealing because then you are not affecting any other OS's
(leasing is a performance feature and disabling it server wide can slow
other operations down).? I suspect we'll see a fix for this sometime this
year.? Microsoft has identified the problem, but I'm sure their having to
jump through all kinds of hoops to fix something so fundamental in Windows.

 Barring that, you need to get more specific details on exactly what is
happening and the setup (i.e. is the app split, are there error messages,
are they using ctrl/alt/del, it really is just the Win 10 users 100% of the
time, etc).

 Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 4:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: System Resources Exceeded

Jim - I just got the word from the users.....the forms are causing the
backend database to lock-up and require everyone to log out.Then a compact
and repair is required.Again, ONLY Win 10, not Win 7.

Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Jun  6 06:03:56 2019
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:03:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fwd:  System Resources Exceeded
In-Reply-To: <1177412490.692871.1559775941735@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1367.1557444067.13018.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<1121739101.4727657.1558569452460@mail.yahoo.com>	<CAAZtbWH88cEBY8ph6mgiC5XKtkjLvGtV8b0tQQEJs2k3-RrrFg@mail.gmail.com>	<84656874.4763354.1558571683554@mail.yahoo.com>	<015001d51158$d5a8c760$80fa5620$@verizon.net>	<448667428.5201938.1558642120436@mail.yahoo.com>	<018f01d5121d$c8353760$589fa620$@verizon.net>
	<1177412490.692871.1559775941735@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <046601d51c57$89c1f560$9d45e020$@verizon.net>

Microsoft played it safe and said you need to do both (because a station can act as a "server"), but doing it on the machine acting as the "server" is all you need.

Also note the comment I made:

" Microsoft recommends disabling things server side, but supposedly
you can also disable on the client side by making the following registry
changes:"

 In my e-mail below.

 If all your stations are running Access apps, then you might as well do it server side.   That is going to impact all file types though and all users.   But if you only have a few users running Access apps out of many, then I would try and disable it only for those few stations.  And note that the registry changes are a little different.    When you do it server side, you are disabling leasing as part of the "server" role (any machine can be both a client and server for file sharing).   But for the "client" role, the change is to disable the use of file caching.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: System Resources Exceeded

Jim - the Microsoft fix calls for a registry addition in LanManServer key.Should that mod be performed on the workstation or the server or both ?

Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman via AccessD <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>; 'Mark Simms' <mar.ko at verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:46 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: System Resources Exceeded

Mark,

<< the forms are causing the backend database to lock-up and require
everyone to log out.>>

OK, but what does "lock up" mean specifically?

Being that it's only Windows 10, at a wild guess, they are running into the
leasing bug:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/access-reports-that-databases-are-i
n-an-inconsistent-state-%EF%BB%BF-7ec975da-f7a9-4414-a306-d3a7c422dc1d

 This started with build 1803 of Windows last year and there still is no fix
for it.  Microsoft recommends disabling things server side, but supposedly
you can also disable on the client side by making the following registry
changes:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Para
meters]
"FileInfoCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000
"FileNotFoundCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000
"DirectoryCacheLifetime"=dword:00000000


That's more appealing because then you are not affecting any other OS's
(leasing is a performance feature and disabling it server wide can slow
other operations down).  I suspect we'll see a fix for this sometime this
year.  Microsoft has identified the problem, but I'm sure their having to
jump through all kinds of hoops to fix something so fundamental in Windows.

 Barring that, you need to get more specific details on exactly what is
happening and the setup (i.e. is the app split, are there error messages,
are they using ctrl/alt/del, it really is just the Win 10 users 100% of the
time, etc).

 Jim.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 4:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fwd: System Resources Exceeded

Jim - I just got the word from the users.....the forms are causing the
backend database to lock-up and require everyone to log out.Then a compact
and repair is required.Again, ONLY Win 10, not Win 7.

Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net

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From mar.ko at verizon.net  Fri Jun 14 08:47:22 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:47:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows version detection
References: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>

I am still having issues with Windows 10 and my client's Access application.
What is the best way in VBA to determine the version of Windows that is running ? Environmental variable ?
Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net


From JoeO at appoli.com  Fri Jun 14 09:33:20 2019
From: JoeO at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:33:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows version detection
In-Reply-To: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DFED4CFC7DCF9E4D87C79EF2DF274B13EECE2D19@mail1.onappsusers.com>

Mark,

You can find a procedure here to return the version of Windows
https://access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=188521

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 9:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms <mar.ko at verizon.net>
Subject: [AccessD] Windows version detection

I am still having issues with Windows 10 and my client's Access application.
What is the best way in VBA to determine the version of Windows that is running ? Environmental variable ?
Mark Simms
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jun 15 02:07:50 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:07:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Windows version detection
In-Reply-To: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337A294B3DE2933749A5F7ECAE90@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Mark

I use the API - very straightforward.
From the OsVersionInfo you can pull all info:

<vba>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit?
?
' Module to list the Windows version and to?
' check if Windows is version 10 or higher.?
?
' Constants for API and type declaration.?
Private Const StatusSuccess     As Long = 0?
Private Const CsdVersionSize    As Long = &H80?
?
' Type declarations.?
Private Type RtlOsVersionInfoW?
   dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long?
   dwMajorVersion      As Long?
   dwMinorVersion      As Long?
   dwBuildNumber       As Long?
   dwPlatformId        As Long?
   szCSDVersion        As String * CsdVersionSize?
End Type?
?
' API declarations.?
Private Declare Function RtlGetVersion Lib "ntdll" (lpVersionInformation As RtlOsVersionInfoW) _?
    As Long?
?
' Check if the hosting Windows OS is of version 10 or higher.?
' Returns True if OS is version 10 or higher, False if it is not.?
'?
' 2018-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen?
'?
Public Function IsWindowsVersionMinimum10() As Boolean?
?
    Const Windows10MajorVersion As Long = 10?
    ?
    Dim OsVersionInfo           As RtlOsVersionInfoW?
    Dim Minimum10               As Boolean?
    ?
    OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OsVersionInfo)?
    ?
    If RtlGetVersion(OsVersionInfo) = StatusSuccess Then?
        ' Version info is retrieved.?
        If OsVersionInfo.dwMajorVersion >= Windows10MajorVersion Then?
            Minimum10 = True?
        End If?
    End If?
?
    IsWindowsVersionMinimum10 = Minimum10?
    ?
End Function?
?
' Lists the hosting Windows OS information.?
'?
' 2018-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen?
'?
Public Sub ListWindowsVersion()?
?
    Dim OsVersionInfo           As RtlOsVersionInfoW?
    ?
    OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OsVersionInfo)?
    ?
    If RtlGetVersion(OsVersionInfo) = StatusSuccess Then?
        ' Version info is retrieved.?
        Debug.Print "Major", OsVersionInfo.dwMajorVersion?
        Debug.Print "Minor", OsVersionInfo.dwMinorVersion?
        Debug.Print "Build", OsVersionInfo.dwBuildNumber?
        Debug.Print "Info", OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize?
        Debug.Print "Platform", OsVersionInfo.dwPlatformId?
        Debug.Print "CSDVersion", OsVersionInfo.szCSDVersion?
    End If?
?
End Sub?
</vba>

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Sendt: 14. juni 2019 15:47
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Emne: [AccessD] Windows version detection

I am still having issues with Windows 10 and my client's Access application.
What is the best way in VBA to determine the version of Windows that is running ? Environmental variable ?
Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net

From mar.ko at verizon.net  Sat Jun 15 09:32:01 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:32:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows version detection
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337A294B3DE2933749A5F7ECAE90@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <185587829.1229238.1560520042168.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<185587829.1229238.1560520042168@mail.yahoo.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB1337A294B3DE2933749A5F7ECAE90@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <324951057.1628481.1560609121902@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for that piece of code Gustav.

Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 3:08 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows version detection

Hi Mark

I use the API - very straightforward.
>From the OsVersionInfo you can pull all info:

<vba>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit?
?
' Module to list the Windows version and to?
' check if Windows is version 10 or higher.?
?
' Constants for API and type declaration.?
Private Const StatusSuccess? ? As Long = 0?
Private Const CsdVersionSize? ? As Long = &H80?
?
' Type declarations.?
Private Type RtlOsVersionInfoW?
? dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long?
? dwMajorVersion? ? ? As Long?
? dwMinorVersion? ? ? As Long?
? dwBuildNumber? ? ? As Long?
? dwPlatformId? ? ? ? As Long?
? szCSDVersion? ? ? ? As String * CsdVersionSize?
End Type?
?
' API declarations.?
Private Declare Function RtlGetVersion Lib "ntdll" (lpVersionInformation As RtlOsVersionInfoW) _?
? ? As Long?
?
' Check if the hosting Windows OS is of version 10 or higher.?
' Returns True if OS is version 10 or higher, False if it is not.?
'?
' 2018-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen?
'?
Public Function IsWindowsVersionMinimum10() As Boolean?
?
? ? Const Windows10MajorVersion As Long = 10?
? ? ?
? ? Dim OsVersionInfo? ? ? ? ? As RtlOsVersionInfoW?
? ? Dim Minimum10? ? ? ? ? ? ? As Boolean?
? ? ?
? ? OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OsVersionInfo)?
? ? ?
? ? If RtlGetVersion(OsVersionInfo) = StatusSuccess Then?
? ? ? ? ' Version info is retrieved.?
? ? ? ? If OsVersionInfo.dwMajorVersion >= Windows10MajorVersion Then?
? ? ? ? ? ? Minimum10 = True?
? ? ? ? End If?
? ? End If?
?
? ? IsWindowsVersionMinimum10 = Minimum10?
? ? ?
End Function?
?
' Lists the hosting Windows OS information.?
'?
' 2018-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen?
'?
Public Sub ListWindowsVersion()?
?
? ? Dim OsVersionInfo? ? ? ? ? As RtlOsVersionInfoW?
? ? ?
? ? OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OsVersionInfo)?
? ? ?
? ? If RtlGetVersion(OsVersionInfo) = StatusSuccess Then?
? ? ? ? ' Version info is retrieved.?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "Major", OsVersionInfo.dwMajorVersion?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "Minor", OsVersionInfo.dwMinorVersion?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "Build", OsVersionInfo.dwBuildNumber?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "Info", OsVersionInfo.dwOSVersionInfoSize?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "Platform", OsVersionInfo.dwPlatformId?
? ? ? ? Debug.Print "CSDVersion", OsVersionInfo.szCSDVersion?
? ? End If?
?
End Sub?
</vba>

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Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Emne: [AccessD] Windows version detection

I am still having issues with Windows 10 and my client's Access application.
What is the best way in VBA to determine the version of Windows that is running ? Environmental variable ?
Mark Simms
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jun 22 06:44:41 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 11:44:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] DJoin
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB133726303FFD91499992805DCAE60@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

The old ConcatRelated (I did a version in 1999!) needed a brush-up.

<quote>
Join (concat) values from one field from a table or query

As you can union records, you can join field values. Presented here, DJoin offers increased speed and flexibility compared to the ancient ConcactRelated and similar functions. Further, it offers better read-out of Multi-Value fields.
</quote>

https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33612/Join-concat-values-from-one-field-from-a-table-or-query.html

If you don't have an account, browse to the link: Read the full article.

/gustav

From kost36 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 00:43:52 2019
From: kost36 at gmail.com (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:43:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DJoin
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB133726303FFD91499992805DCAE60@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB133726303FFD91499992805DCAE60@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <04b301d52a4f$cfc8bd40$6f5a37c0$@gmail.com>

Thank's Gustav,
Great job

/kostas

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 2:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] DJoin

Hi all

The old ConcatRelated (I did a version in 1999!) needed a brush-up.

<quote>
Join (concat) values from one field from a table or query

As you can union records, you can join field values. Presented here, DJoin
offers increased speed and flexibility compared to the ancient
ConcactRelated and similar functions. Further, it offers better read-out of
Multi-Value fields.
</quote>

https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33612/Join-concat-values-from-one-
field-from-a-table-or-query.html

If you don't have an account, browse to the link: Read the full article.

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 10:35:03 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:35:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd8txtgJKbUDJWWH-9x2bjgDZuSy763QUPS5wq6Lnm2KhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Have any of you used Ivercy (https://www.ivercy.com/Download)
Or
Oasis-SVN (
https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
)

For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc.  I
know MS used to have some source control available.  All I've been doing is
making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul
I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the
code so I can run it through my GIT repo.

But it would be nice to version control the tables too... I guess.

From mar.ko at verizon.net  Thu Jun 27 10:56:32 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd8txtgJKbUDJWWH-9x2bjgDZuSy763QUPS5wq6Lnm2KhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd8txtgJKbUDJWWH-9x2bjgDZuSy763QUPS5wq6Lnm2KhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1188995298.837942.1561650992250@mail.yahoo.com>

What about Github ?https://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/version-control-software/

Mark Simms
 marksimms at verizon.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 11:36 am 
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control

Have any of you used Ivercy ( https://www.ivercy.com/Download )
Or
Oasis-SVN (
https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
)

For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc. I
know MS used to have some source control available. I've been doing it all
making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul
I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the
code so I can run it through my GIT repo.

But it would be nice to control the tables too ... I guess.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 11:08:54 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:08:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
In-Reply-To: <1188995298.837942.1561650992250@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFXiSd8txtgJKbUDJWWH-9x2bjgDZuSy763QUPS5wq6Lnm2KhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1188995298.837942.1561650992250@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd9RT9tFg6YeJgPKfepW_dfwWrijSHkCgnQ5afOjPqRx7A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, you can't check in the accdb and have anything like GIT or SVN show
you the difference between versions of forms and such.  You can still use
github but you need a way to extract the form code or whatever to make it
usable.  These tools do that, apparently. Wondering if they're any better
than my roll-your-own version.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark Simms via AccessD <
accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> What about Github ?
> https://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/version-control-software/
>
> Mark Simms
>  marksimms at verizon.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 11:36 am
> Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
>
> Have any of you used Ivercy ( https://www.ivercy.com/Download )
> Or
> Oasis-SVN (
>
> https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
> )
>
> For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc. I
> know MS used to have some source control available. I've been doing it all
> making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul
> I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the
> code so I can run it through my GIT repo.
>
> But it would be nice to control the tables too ... I guess.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun 27 12:41:10 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 17:41:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337EECD31AFD662E1881FAECAFD0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Ryan

I gave up on that. No matter what, it would anyway be partial as system tables and database properties could/will change.
After any major or important change, I simply create a zip of the database and rename it to include the date and time. This way it is simple and non-destructive to pull a previous version and copy or study what you may need.
The zips are stored on our replicated file server having 2 x 2 backups. Nice and safe.

/gustav

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Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
Sendt: 27. juni 2019 17:35
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] Source Control

Have any of you used Ivercy (https://www.ivercy.com/Download) Or Oasis-SVN ( https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
)

For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc.  I know MS used to have some source control available.  All I've been doing is making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the code so I can run it through my GIT repo.

But it would be nice to version control the tables too... I guess. 


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 12:50:12 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:50:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
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That?s what I do as well. I?d just like to be able to ?diff? code sometimes and it makes it  a pain to do. 

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> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ryan
> 
> I gave up on that. No matter what, it would anyway be partial as system tables and database properties could/will change.
> After any major or important change, I simply create a zip of the database and rename it to include the date and time. This way it is simple and non-destructive to pull a previous version and copy or study what you may need.
> The zips are stored on our replicated file server having 2 x 2 backups. Nice and safe.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 27. juni 2019 17:35
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] Source Control
> 
> Have any of you used Ivercy (https://www.ivercy.com/Download) Or Oasis-SVN ( https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
> )
> 
> For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc.  I know MS used to have some source control available.  All I've been doing is making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the code so I can run it through my GIT repo.
> 
> But it would be nice to version control the tables too... I guess. 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun 27 13:00:28 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 18:00:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Source Control
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337C3BC3C7B6296E04E659FCAFD0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Ryan

Then I would use GitHub. Have a function that export your modules and calls GitHub command line to commit and push the changed files.
I have all my newest public code on GitHub, though I don't use the command line tool:

https://github.com/GustavBrock

/gustav

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Sendt: 27. juni 2019 19:50
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Source Control

That?s what I do as well. I?d just like to be able to ?diff? code sometimes and it makes it  a pain to do. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ryan
> 
> I gave up on that. No matter what, it would anyway be partial as system tables and database properties could/will change.
> After any major or important change, I simply create a zip of the database and rename it to include the date and time. This way it is simple and non-destructive to pull a previous version and copy or study what you may need.
> The zips are stored on our replicated file server having 2 x 2 backups. Nice and safe.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 27. juni 2019 17:35
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] Source Control
> 
> Have any of you used Ivercy (https://www.ivercy.com/Download) Or Oasis-SVN ( https://dev2dev.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=260&lang=en
> )
> 
> For source control? These look like they'll do form code, tables, etc.  I know MS used to have some source control available.  All I've been doing is making sure I have stable accdb files, and if I do any large code overhaul I have a function that runs DoCmd.TransferText on all the forms to get the code so I can run it through my GIT repo.
> 
> But it would be nice to version control the tables too... I guess.