From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  1 22:30:28 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:30:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <11055008.549552705.1572665428312.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi Stuart:

Right on. Just one part of Access is a database and only one database though the application can connect dozens of different sources, a number of sources simultaneously. Check ADO connection that is built into ever Microsoft version of Windows since Win95(?).

I think the Access MDB application was the best application that MS ever built and then didn't support.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 6:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

He has missed the point entirely.

Access is not a database!

Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own 
native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
 
The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100% 
wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be 
using Access as an application FE.

I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the 
database for years.


On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:

> Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
> oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 06:59:45 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:59:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access: the Database that won't Die
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j+=hW8jee817bOySaQJYWg1kCP_OnuO-b3Lg_+4=bh3A@mail.gmail.com>

The Database that won't Dire
<https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-software-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  3 07:18:57 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 23:18:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access: the Database that won't Die
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j+=hW8jee817bOySaQJYWg1kCP_OnuO-b3Lg_+4=bh3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j+=hW8jee817bOySaQJYWg1kCP_OnuO-b3Lg_+4=bh3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DBED3C1.7464.74514175@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You're a few days late :-)

We've been discussing that article here for a while.


On 3 Nov 2019 at 7:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> The Database that won't Dire
> <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
> oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166>
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 12:08:56 2019
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:08:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <11055008.549552705.1572665428312.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<11055008.549552705.1572665428312.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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I object. SQL Server as the best app ever built by MS. Word a close second.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:31 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Stuart:
>
> Right on. Just one part of Access is a database and only one database
> though the application can connect dozens of different sources, a number of
> sources simultaneously. Check ADO connection that is built into ever
> Microsoft version of Windows since Win95(?).
>
> I think the Access MDB application was the best application that MS ever
> built and then didn't support.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 6:27:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
>
> He has missed the point entirely.
>
> Access is not a database!
>
> Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which
> can use its own
> native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
>
> The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity
> of Access" is 100%
> wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the
> pie chart will be
> using Access as an application FE.
>
> I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL
> as the
> database for years.
>
>
> On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
> > Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> > Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> > <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
> > oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  4 08:01:30 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:01:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MAC addresses
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13376665007F6E290AB22888CA7F0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13376665007F6E290AB22888CA7F0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337A9F953F9CADD4041B3ACCA7F0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

A client requested some brushed up methods for listing MAC addresses.
Thus, my latest article and code project is about that. 
It features a full set of functions to handle MAC addresses:

- Retrieval of these from computer
- Validating
- Parsing 
- Formatting following the de facto standards
- Generating (random)
- Listing
- Determining TransmissionType and Administration
- Creating derived BSSIDs for APs
- Retrieving the vendor name from Wireshark

You may never have to deal with a MAC address, but if encounter the task, it should no longer represent a challenge.

    https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33827/MAC-addresses-in-Access-and-Excel.html

If you don?t have an account, browse for the link: Read the full article.

Code is also on GitHub: 

    https://github.com/GustavBrock/VBA.MacAddress 

/gustav

From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 07:56:33 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:56:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access / SQL question
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd-QykJ8hhyD-tAD6EKxLoGVJsBn7M0YtMX+FgYsHo+cSg@mail.gmail.com>

We have our primary application in Access with a SQL back end. That
said..... money is tight at the office and upgrading SQL server is not a
high priority for us to get some more sweet window functions and all the
great advancements since SQL Server 2008.

Have any of you spun up an instance of SQL Express on another server, or
the local (desktop) machines to handle some query processing for new
features, while still utilizing your older server/back end?

Does that make sense?

Say I query some data out of SQL Server 2008, I need to perform some
LEAD/LAG (example) so that data gets pushed/stored in SQL Express 2017
temporarily for crunching/processing, the results spit back out into a
report or datasheet or what have you?

I realize there are ways to mimic some window functions (like LEAD/LAG) but
man it would be so much nicer not to have to work around these limitations.

From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov  6 10:44:08 2019
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:44:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
Message-ID: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I have a long time access database a company is running successfully that needs a face-lift and more robust BE.

This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)  Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)  Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else, app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host for test VM's for project.

Appreciate any guidance.

John




From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Nov  6 13:39:22 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:39:22 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB5928857160A08F430CEBB115F6790@BYAPR05MB5928.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John,

In Access there is a utility feature named 'Upsizing' which will move all your Access tables to SQL Server, but Access 2013 might have been the last version to include it. I have Access 2010 and it is included. 

Another tool is named SQL Server Migration Assistant - or SSMA.

This article gives some good info: https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-plus-tips-for-upsizing-an-access-database-to-sql-server/ .  Written by Susan Hawkins - a member of AccessD!

Good Luck!
DanW 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: November 6, 2019 10:44
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I have a long time access database a company is running successfully that needs a face-lift and more robust BE.

This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)  Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)  Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else, app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host for test VM's for project.

Appreciate any guidance.

John



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  6 14:30:50 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:30:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <807301969.574102015.1573072250691.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I personally think that if a developer is using MS Access to connect to another database than the default preconnected MDB, it is better to build the appropriate database than to use some upsize wizard, if required and to use an ADO type connection string. The following is some links to a few tested connectors strings, to various datasources:

http://www.carlprothman.net/Default.aspx?tabid=90

https://www.dofactory.com/reference/connection-strings

https://www.connectionstrings.com/

etc etc etc...

The beauty of using ADO connectors is that many Datasources can be attached (simultaneously) and detached at any time or at any position within the application. This process also allows a reliable managed data connection from a remote site or from an unstable connection. (Note that the ADO program is already available on all versions of MS Windows...95 to 10 so no external searching or installation is required).

I do not know whether the following link is accessible at this moment but if it, it will open to an example that shows how to optimize an ADO connection string and apply reporting. I wrote it so I make no absolute claims but all the code has been pre-tested:

http://dba.creativesystemdesigns.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311UnboundReports.asp.html
http://bit.ly/33rztkA
  
HTH
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:44:08 AM
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I have a long time access database a company is running successfully that needs a face-lift and more robust BE.

This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)  Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)  Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else, app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host for test VM's for project.

Appreciate any guidance.

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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov  6 14:32:54 2019
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:32:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB5928857160A08F430CEBB115F6790@BYAPR05MB5928.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR05MB5928857160A08F430CEBB115F6790@BYAPR05MB5928.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR04MB3860BAD61191056C24FA6F11BD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Dan.  I have version(s) you mention, and article looks helpful (daunting with all the incompatibilities that I certainly have used in the system.)  We shall see.

John



________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Daniel Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

Hi John,

In Access there is a utility feature named 'Upsizing' which will move all your Access tables to SQL Server, but Access 2013 might have been the last version to include it. I have Access 2010 and it is included.

Another tool is named SQL Server Migration Assistant - or SSMA.

This article gives some good info: https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-plus-tips-for-upsizing-an-access-database-to-sql-server/ .  Written by Susan Hawkins - a member of AccessD!

Good Luck!
DanW

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bodin
Sent: November 6, 2019 10:44
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I have a long time access database a company is running successfully that needs a face-lift and more robust BE.

This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)  Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)  Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else, app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host for test VM's for project.

Appreciate any guidance.

John



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From jbodin at sbor.com  Wed Nov  6 14:37:55 2019
From: jbodin at sbor.com (John Bodin)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:37:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <807301969.574102015.1573072250691.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<807301969.574102015.1573072250691.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <BN7PR04MB386096602EC827396137A290BD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Jim.  Makes sense and links do work.  This is the type of info I'm looking for.






John Bodin

sBOR Office Systems

jbodin at sbor.com<mailto:jbodin at sbor.com>



________________________________
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> on behalf of Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

Hi John:

I personally think that if a developer is using MS Access to connect to another database than the default preconnected MDB, it is better to build the appropriate database than to use some upsize wizard, if required and to use an ADO type connection string. The following is some links to a few tested connectors strings, to various datasources:

http://www.carlprothman.net/Default.aspx?tabid=90

https://www.dofactory.com/reference/connection-strings

https://www.connectionstrings.com/

etc etc etc...

The beauty of using ADO connectors is that many Datasources can be attached (simultaneously) and detached at any time or at any position within the application. This process also allows a reliable managed data connection from a remote site or from an unstable connection. (Note that the ADO program is already available on all versions of MS Windows...95 to 10 so no external searching or installation is required).

I do not know whether the following link is accessible at this moment but if it, it will open to an example that shows how to optimize an ADO connection string and apply reporting. I wrote it so I make no absolute claims but all the code has been pre-tested:

http://dba.creativesystemdesigns.com/newsletters/newsletter112003/0311UnboundReports.asp.html
http://bit.ly/33rztkA

HTH
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bodin" <jbodin at sbor.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:44:08 AM
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server

I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I have a long time access database a company is running successfully that needs a face-lift and more robust BE.

This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)  Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)  Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else, app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host for test VM's for project.

Appreciate any guidance.

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 19:40:29 2019
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:40:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] upsize mdb to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR04MB386037725F04CD863E6BAE2BBD790@BN7PR04MB3860.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAA_iUE8S3YbMy8g9uPpHCszuuNiRBkTw7-8Q5OZ2z07OhdaESA@mail.gmail.com>

You can get extraordinary speedup by converting your access queries to
queries running on sql server. As in 20 minutes down to a few seconds
depending on the original complexity of the query. Been there done that.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 11:44 John Bodin <jbodin at sbor.com> wrote:

> I was wondering if someone could send me some links to docs & how tos, or
> share advice on converting access back-end mdb to SQL Server, and continue
> to use access front-end to access that data.  I know there are some data
> types that change or don't convert (yes/no fields I believe is one) and
> Queries and SQL statements need to be re-written, among other things.  I
> have a long time access database a company is running successfully that
> needs a face-lift and more robust BE.
>
> This will be a multi-phase year-long project and I was hoping to upsize
> the BE data to SQL Server and initially, just link the FE to those tables
> to run the program as is (I know there will be no speed gains but hopefully
> data integrity will be solid and users will not know that BE has changed.)
> Then proceed to convert FE to use ADO(?) while another developer writes a
> Mobile/web-based app for customer's technicians to use, that integrates
> with the SQL data (tried ASP.Net with MDB file and although it worked, it
> wasn't reliable enough when a lot of people were on the mobile piece.)
> Once Mobile piece working and FE optimized to use ADO or something else,
> app to integrate QuickBooks w/Access will be written, and when that is
> done, Access FE will get re-written for the web.  Will not be an overnight
> project, everyone understands that.  And data is small enough that SQL
> Express probably can be used, at least initially. Have room left on host
> for test VM's for project.
>
> Appreciate any guidance.
>
> John
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 00:01:56 2019
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 01:01:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ikV8rEiOxjNidAZ=3ydSdoa_ibK8YwFLxbuWm5VB8QiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<11055008.549552705.1572665428312.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<CAEPJO1ikV8rEiOxjNidAZ=3ydSdoa_ibK8YwFLxbuWm5VB8QiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_0_sTLNaRhNbEnyM-8qFKbK9krt=gPsoXWwsJENxu1V2A@mail.gmail.com>

Really...? DOS was pretty good.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 1:09 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I object. SQL Server as the best app ever built by MS. Word a close second.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:31 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stuart:
> >
> > Right on. Just one part of Access is a database and only one database
> > though the application can connect dozens of different sources, a number
> of
> > sources simultaneously. Check ADO connection that is built into ever
> > Microsoft version of Windows since Win95(?).
> >
> > I think the Access MDB application was the best application that MS ever
> > built and then didn't support.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 6:27:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> >
> > He has missed the point entirely.
> >
> > Access is not a database!
> >
> > Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which
> > can use its own
> > native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
> >
> > The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity
> > of Access" is 100%
> > wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the
> > pie chart will be
> > using Access as an application FE.
> >
> > I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL
> > as the
> > database for years.
> >
> >
> > On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
> >
> > > Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> > > Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> > > <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
> > > oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  7 06:23:03 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 22:23:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_0_sTLNaRhNbEnyM-8qFKbK9krt=gPsoXWwsJENxu1V2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1ikV8rEiOxjNidAZ=3ydSdoa_ibK8YwFLxbuWm5VB8QiA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJLzs_0_sTLNaRhNbEnyM-8qFKbK9krt=gPsoXWwsJENxu1V2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC40CA7.17628.88B7865C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

DOS was not an "app" :--)


On 7 Nov 2019 at 1:01, Bill Benson wrote:

> Really...? DOS was pretty good.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 1:09 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I object. SQL Server as the best app ever built by MS. Word a close
> > second.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:31 PM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Stuart:
> > >
> > > Right on. Just one part of Access is a database and only one
> > > database though the application can connect dozens of different
> > > sources, a number
> > of
> > > sources simultaneously. Check ADO connection that is built into
> > > ever Microsoft version of Windows since Win95(?).
> > >
> > > I think the Access MDB application was the best application that
> > > MS ever built and then didn't support.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stuart" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 6:27:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> > >
> > > He has missed the point entirely.
> > >
> > > Access is not a database!
> > >
> > > Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development
> > > environment which can use its own native database format
> > > (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
> > >
> > > The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the
> > > popularity of Access" is 100% wrong.   A number of those Oracle,
> > > SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be using
> > > Access as an application FE.
> > >
> > > I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server
> > > and MySQL as the database for years.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> > > > Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> > > > <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-data
> > > > base-s oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD
> > > > mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> >
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Nov 10 22:04:40 2019
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:04:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>

I agree entirely, Stuart.

It always amazes me how many people who you would expect to know better, 
seem to talk of Access and SQL Server as if they are are variants of the 
same species.

I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that 
article.  As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to 
terminate it."  I do not believe that is true.

Regards
Steve

------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

>He has missed the point entirely.
>
>Access is not a database!
>
>Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own
>native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
>
>The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100%
>wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be
>using Access as an application FE.
>
>I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the
>database for years.
>
>
>On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>>  Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
>>  Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
>>  <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
>>  oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov 10 23:45:05 2019
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:45:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
Message-ID: <5DC8F561.8950.113AC829@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, also if you are ging to incude Access as a data engine alongside SQL Server, mySQL 
etc, you should include SQLite in the breakdown as well.

That would sure change the proportions.  :)


On 11 Nov 2019 at 4:04, Steve Schapel wrote:

> I agree entirely, Stuart.
> 
> It always amazes me how many people who you would expect to know
> better, seem to talk of Access and SQL Server as if they are are
> variants of the same species.
> 
> I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that
> article.  As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to
> terminate it."  I do not believe that is true.
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> 
> >He has missed the point entirely.
> >
> >Access is not a database!
> >
> >Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment
> >which can use its own native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any
> >number of  robust  RDBMSs.
> >
> >The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the
> >popularity of Access" is 100% wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL
> >Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be using Access as an
> >application FE.
> >
> >I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and
> >MySQL as the database for years.
> >
> >
> >On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
> >
> >>  Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> >>  Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> >>  <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-databa
> >>  se-s oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing
> >>  list
> >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 07:35:37 2019
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:35:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <5DC8F561.8950.113AC829@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<5DC8F561.8950.113AC829@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAvFg6OG2qBVTAfM2A2Fe=ekgSXCJgNYWYF21Gh-izSUOw@mail.gmail.com>

I saw this
<https://accessexperts.com/blog/2019/11/09/the-office-product-that-refuses-to-die/>
on another Access related forum. Certainly the original article has been
shown to
have a definite bias along with serious shortcomings.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:46 AM Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Yep, also if you are ging to incude Access as a data engine alongside SQL
> Server, mySQL
> etc, you should include SQLite in the breakdown as well.
>
> That would sure change the proportions.  :)
>
>
> On 11 Nov 2019 at 4:04, Steve Schapel wrote:
>
> > I agree entirely, Stuart.
> >
> > It always amazes me how many people who you would expect to know
> > better, seem to talk of Access and SQL Server as if they are are
> > variants of the same species.
> >
> > I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that
> > article.  As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to
> > terminate it."  I do not believe that is true.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> >
> > >He has missed the point entirely.
> > >
> > >Access is not a database!
> > >
> > >Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment
> > >which can use its own native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any
> > >number of  robust  RDBMSs.
> > >
> > >The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the
> > >popularity of Access" is 100% wrong.   A number of those Oracle, SQL
> > >Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be using Access as an
> > >application FE.
> > >
> > >I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and
> > >MySQL as the database for years.
> > >
> > >
> > >On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
> > >>  Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
> > >>  <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-databa
> > >>  se-s oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing
> > >>  list
> > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
> > >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
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From mar.ko at verizon.net  Mon Nov 11 17:53:16 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
Message-ID: <739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>

re: "I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that 
article.? As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to 
terminate it."? I do not believe that is true.
Regards
Steve"
Totally agree. I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then they could easily do that.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

>He has missed the point entirely.
>
>Access is not a database!
>
>Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own
>native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of? robust? RDBMSs.
>
>The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100%
>wrong.? A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be
>using Access as an application FE.
>
>I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the
>database for years.
>
>
>On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>>? Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
>>? Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
>>? <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
>>? oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Mon Nov 11 19:14:50 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:14:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB59358A031C115E1653A7BCA6F6770@SN6PR05MB5935.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I agree.  MS has slightly reduced Access' ability to be used as a developer tool, and has not improved the Access IDE since about 2003, but I have read that macros were improved (although I don't use macros anyway).  So, they do want regular people to be able to use Access, but are trying to deemphasize Access as a development platform.  

Windows Forms was initially released in 2002 - about the same time MS stopped improving Access for developers.  I think that's probably not a coincidence.

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: November 11, 2019 17:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

re: "I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that 
article.? As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to 
terminate it."? I do not believe that is true.
Regards
Steve"
Totally agree. I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then they could easily do that.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

>He has missed the point entirely.
>
>Access is not a database!
>
>Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own
>native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of? robust? RDBMSs.
>
>The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100%
>wrong.? A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be
>using Access as an application FE.
>
>I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the
>database for years.
>
>
>On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>>? Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
>>? Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
>>? <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
>>? oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 12 05:48:16 2019
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 06:48:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB59358A031C115E1653A7BCA6F6770@SN6PR05MB5935.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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<< So, they do want regular people to be able to use Access, but are trying to deemphasize Access as a development platform.  >>

Hum...well consider the fact that it never was a developers platform...

The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Waters
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

I agree.  MS has slightly reduced Access' ability to be used as a developer tool, and has not improved the Access IDE since about 2003, but I have read that macros were improved (although I don't use macros anyway).  So, they do want regular people to be able to use Access, but are trying to deemphasize Access as a development platform.  

Windows Forms was initially released in 2002 - about the same time MS stopped improving Access for developers.  I think that's probably not a coincidence.

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: November 11, 2019 17:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

re: "I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that 
article.  As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to 
terminate it."  I do not believe that is true.
Regards
Steve"
Totally agree. I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then they could easily do that.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

>He has missed the point entirely.
>
>Access is not a database!
>
>Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own
>native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
>
>The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100%
>wrong.  A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be
>using Access as an application FE.
>
>I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the
>database for years.
>
>
>On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>>  Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
>>  Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
>>  <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
>>  oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 12 05:50:56 2019
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 06:50:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02ba01d5994f$7201bbc0$56053340$@verizon.net>

<< I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then they could easily do that.>>

 I think you might be surprised.   There are millions of Access based apps out there, but most fly under the radar.   

 The main problem with terminating it is that they have nothing to replace it with.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: Mark Simms
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

re: "I also took exception to some of the author's other statements in that 
article.  As one example, "Microsoft has made more than one attempt to 
terminate it."  I do not believe that is true.
Regards
Steve"
Totally agree. I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then they could easily do that.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 1/11/2019 2:27:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

>He has missed the point entirely.
>
>Access is not a database!
>
>Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment which can use its own
>native database format (Microsoft Jet) or any number of  robust  RDBMSs.
>
>The statement "These statistics almost certainly overstate the popularity of Access" is 100%
>wrong.  A number of those Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL segments of the pie chart will be
>using Access as an application FE.
>
>I've been building complex Access applications using SQL Server and MySQL as the
>database for years.
>
>
>On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:45, jack drawbridge wrote:
>
>>  Just saw this discussed on a few forums.
>>  Interesting article on Access's continued survival.
>>  <https://medium.com/young-coder/microsoft-access-the-zombie-database-s
>>  oftware-that-wont-die-5b09e389c166> jack -- AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website:
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 07:19:28 2019
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 08:19:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <02ba01d5994f$7201bbc0$56053340$@verizon.net>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
	<02ba01d5994f$7201bbc0$56053340$@verizon.net>
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They continue to add power, flexibility, and a number of really keen
user-friendly tools to Excel. If they'd put that kind of thought into
Access, they'd have a super star. 

Susan H. 

<< I mean what would stop them from terminating Access ?It's not like there
is a huge set of user-groups out there.If MSFT wanted to terminate it, then
they could easily do that.>>

 I think you might be surprised.   There are millions of Access based apps
out there, but most fly under the radar.   

 The main problem with terminating it is that they have nothing to replace
it with.

Jim.




From bensonforums at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 18:28:55 2019
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:28:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
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References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
	<02ba01d5994f$7201bbc0$56053340$@verizon.net>
	<00f801d5995b$d13f7c10$73be7430$@gmail.com>
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I LOVE the easy means Sharepoint has to open Lists in Access giving me
largely editable tables (except for some fields made non updatable) and
rapid development of queries and user forms.

To me one of the best uses for MS Access and the instant portability of SP
lists to Access is a sign it won?t be going anywhere soon unless MS breaks
that integration in SP.

From mar.ko at verizon.net  Tue Nov 12 20:10:24 2019
From: mar.ko at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:10:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
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References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<02b901d5994f$13049070$390db150$@verizon.net>
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re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.

Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 12 20:38:30 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:38:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
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	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
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Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network, suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek friends, over a cup of coffee.

Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:

https://www.os-js.org/

I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)

Jim 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.

Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 20:50:35 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 20:50:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DA207701-F279-4481-9D7A-C5896C9B1714@gmail.com>

Isn?t PowerBI or PowerApps what MS is trying to push people to?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network, suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek friends, over a cup of coffee.
> 
> Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:
> 
> https://www.os-js.org/
> 
> I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> 
> re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.
> 
> Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 09:07:28 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:07:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd9pJONXhwL-xC4NnfzjCc+7r3qWuD9o4oJcJe3ER7hQoA@mail.gmail.com>

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019


This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
uninstall it for everyone.

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 13 09:15:15 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:15:15 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Ryan

I had this explanation:

This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.

The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will depend on what channel you are on.

For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday build, Dec 10.
For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.

For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.

The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set of another query).
Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update query to update another query that selects everything from the table, rather than updating the query directly.

I.e., if you have a query like: 

    UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);

Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as: 

    Select * from Table1;

and update your original query to: 

    UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);

The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access": 

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570

will be updated to reflect this.

/gustav

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Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
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Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and uninstall it for everyone.


From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 09:17:58 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:17:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd-u1+N5EUtRtpOxnxp3zCou=YtxqaWzvwZUXTz6Ur0zkg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced
> with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security
> vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office,
> including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will
> depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday
> build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which
> was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria
> specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query
> that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set
> of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update
> query to update another query that selects everything from the table,
> rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.
>
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>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 10:42:53 2019
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:42:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>	<SN6PR05MB59358A031C115E1653A7BCA6F6770@SN6PR05MB5935.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>	<02b901d5994f$13049070$390db150$@verizon.net>	<2061348994.3675075.1573611024315@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <057401d59a41$65c308d0$31491a70$@verizon.net>

<< The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems
that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network,
suffered the same fate. A complete disaster.>>

 Was that Infinitely Virtual by any chance?

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems
that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network,
suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was
still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire
network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek
friends, over a cup of coffee.

Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The
following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:

https://www.os-js.org/

I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that
they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.

Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew
this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript
environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion
of desktop apps to web apps.
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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 10:45:47 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:45:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <057401d59a41$65c308d0$31491a70$@verizon.net>
References: <CAKvidAuHKm8kuh5A6KKtnwMmwaTfhO1G=ZVQyeiTkFt=roM4fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DBAE136.31507.64E5D412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<em4ffa317d-2907-4a11-b1d5-19189274a7e7@desktop-iu8uav5>
	<739970841.3041047.1573516396035@mail.yahoo.com>
	<SN6PR05MB59358A031C115E1653A7BCA6F6770@SN6PR05MB5935.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<02b901d5994f$13049070$390db150$@verizon.net>
	<2061348994.3675075.1573611024315@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<057401d59a41$65c308d0$31491a70$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd_2Hq2mOfUDtNJa21NFKR5YzN74kY7nE+ciuf7vLNMDnQ@mail.gmail.com>

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say SmarterASP, since they're dealing with
Crypto stuff this very moment (I was impacted)


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:43 AM Jim Dettman via AccessD <
accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> << The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems
> that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the
> network,
> suffered the same fate. A complete disaster.>>
>
>  Was that Infinitely Virtual by any chance?
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
>
> Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It
> seems
> that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the
> network,
> suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was
> still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire
> network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek
> friends, over a cup of coffee.
>
> Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The
> following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:
>
> https://www.os-js.org/
>
> I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
>
> re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that
> they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.
>
> Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they
> knew
> this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript
> environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion
> of desktop apps to web apps.
> --
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From jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Nov 13 11:16:11 2019
From: jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk (James Button)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:16:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd-u1+N5EUtRtpOxnxp3zCou=YtxqaWzvwZUXTz6Ur0zkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<CAFXiSd-u1+N5EUtRtpOxnxp3zCou=YtxqaWzvwZUXTz6Ur0zkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAO8VDlNCBfdEkctCy61lm0HCgAAAEAAAAFpS+kt6v2VMrt2QjsyiricBAAAAAA==@blueyonder.co.uk>

Give the girl a break.

It's Junior High term time.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced
> with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security
> vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office,
> including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will
> depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday
> build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which
> was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria
> specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query
> that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set
> of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update
> query to update another query that selects everything from the table,
> rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.
>
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From cjlabs at att.net  Wed Nov 13 13:40:37 2019
From: cjlabs at att.net (cjlabs)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:40:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <023601d59a5a$39c6ed50$ad54c7f0$@att.net>

Thanks for the info.   I just got "Query '' is corrupt" as an error on closing a form that has worked for years.   Replaced the 2 UPDATE statements in the procedure and it's working again.   Hate to think how many other forms are affected.



Carolyn Johnson


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Hi Ryan

I had this explanation:

This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.

The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will depend on what channel you are on.

For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday build, Dec 10.
For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.

For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.

The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set of another query).
Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update query to update another query that selects everything from the table, rather than updating the query directly.

I.e., if you have a query like: 

    UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);

Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as: 

    Select * from Table1;

and update your original query to: 

    UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);

The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access": 

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570

will be updated to reflect this.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and uninstall it for everyone.

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From wrwehler at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 13:54:23 2019
From: wrwehler at gmail.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:54:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <023601d59a5a$39c6ed50$ad54c7f0$@att.net>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<023601d59a5a$39c6ed50$ad54c7f0$@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAFXiSd-tf7NA93kOpB5QDsJC+qhxxngV=nXdLLdvux2HbaOXPA@mail.gmail.com>

Yep that's it. I rolled the patch back out of our systems...


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:41 PM cjlabs <cjlabs at att.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the info.   I just got "Query '' is corrupt" as an error on
> closing a form that has worked for years.   Replaced the 2 UPDATE
> statements in the procedure and it's working again.   Hate to think how
> many other forms are affected.
>
>
>
> Carolyn Johnson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced
> with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security
> vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office,
> including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will
> depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday
> build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which
> was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria
> specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query
> that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set
> of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update
> query to update another query that selects everything from the table,
> rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Nov 13 18:03:08 2019
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:03:08 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB13375A39AE050AB676DDDFA8CA760@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <009501d59a7e$e5a796a0$b0f6c3e0$@dalyn.co.nz>

I had the same problem except on an Office 2010 machine.

I needed to uninstall KB4484127 (This was the Security Update with the
number closest to the one in the article).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2019 4:15 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Hi Ryan

I had this explanation:

This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced with
the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security
vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office,
including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.

The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will
depend on what channel you are on.

For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the O365
Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday build,
Dec 10.
For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the October
fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.

For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which
was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.

The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria
specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query
that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set of
another query).
Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update
query to update another query that selects everything from the table, rather
than updating the query directly.

I.e., if you have a query like: 

    UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);

Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as: 

    Select * from Table1;

and update your original query to: 

    UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);

The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access": 

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-iss
ues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570

will be updated to reflect this.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-
2013-november-12-2019

This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
uninstall it for everyone.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 13 20:45:12 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:45:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <DA207701-F279-4481-9D7A-C5896C9B1714@gmail.com>
References: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
	<DA207701-F279-4481-9D7A-C5896C9B1714@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532699182.613146131.1573699512257.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>

I don't know? I have been a little out of the loop as of late.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:50:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

Isn?t PowerBI or PowerApps what MS is trying to push people to?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network, suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek friends, over a cup of coffee.
> 
> Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:
> 
> https://www.os-js.org/
> 
> I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> 
> re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.
> 
> Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.
> -- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov 14 05:59:30 2019
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:59:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <532699182.613146131.1573699512257.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>	<DA207701-F279-4481-9D7A-C5896C9B1714@gmail.com>
	<532699182.613146131.1573699512257.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <008601d59ae2$f91ef660$eb5ce320$@verizon.net>


 Yes.   Power Apps, Power BI, and Flow is where things are heading from the looks of it.

 They don't talk about much else lately.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

I don't know? I have been a little out of the loop as of late.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:50:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

Isn?t PowerBI or PowerApps what MS is trying to push people to?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network, suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek friends, over a cup of coffee.
> 
> Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:
> 
> https://www.os-js.org/
> 
> I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> 
> re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.
> 
> Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 14 11:47:05 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:47:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
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Being involved in the patch management of hundreds of client computers, I can tell you that it's getting worse rather than better, so the answer may just be "no one". 

A couple of proven methods:
-Only apply security patches and decide on a case by case basis for all others.

-In Windows 10 upgrade settings put yourself on the delayed list for new Windows versions. Currently we've barely got everyone upgraded to 1903 and 1909 is already breaking out (yes, that's a pun).

-Monitor all patches for a couple of weeks before applying them. Panicking because of vulnerabilities is akin to cutting oneself because thieves are in the street. 
-Many patches break things. You probably just don't realize it because you don't utilize that particular functionality. RE: the original Spectre vulnerability patches had major problems and broke millions of PCs causing them to not boot. Most PCs are still vulnerable to similar types of attacks, those patches addressed one method, not the underlying problem.

I monitor lists of patching and upgrading pros (similar to this one but with a different focus) and I would guess I've had 30-40 messages come through this year. I search on each patch to see what it breaks before applying. Even so, I've had 4 laptops this year that black screened on my clients. They weren't listed as affected by that problem but apparently I was the lucky one who got to find out. The resolution was fairly easy but ONLY because I was aware of it happening to other models.

Caveat - if you have to meet certain feel good regulations like HIPAA, PCI or your local govt's feel good security measures, then make sure you get the security updates installed before the regulatory scans.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the 
> update query to update another query that selects everything from the 
> table, rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-rece
> nt-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-o
> ffice-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around 
> and uninstall it for everyone.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 14 14:01:33 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:01:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
In-Reply-To: <008601d59ae2$f91ef660$eb5ce320$@verizon.net>
References: <79065188.607149787.1573612710692.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Thanks for the info, I will check it out.

After a quick perusal, these apps do seem like the next generation of (I wouldn't call them database apps) but information gathering apps. There are some entrance level stuff for free but I would expect to pay $10 to $40 per month, indefinitely, per licensed user.

Have you had any first hand experience with the products? Any stand-alone programs to demonstrate it's use?

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 3:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

Yes.   Power Apps, Power BI, and Flow is where things are heading from the looks of it.

 They don't talk about much else lately.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

I don't know? I have been a little out of the loop as of late.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan W" <wrwehler at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:50:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article

Isn?t PowerBI or PowerApps what MS is trying to push people to?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Note: The DBA web site has been removed from the its previous host. It seems that the host was hacked and encrypted and every backup, across the network, suffered the same fate. A complete disaster. As the DBA site virtual was still using ASP, it may have been the logical weak spot in the entire network...I will be speaking to him tonight, along with some of us old geek friends, over a cup of coffee.
> 
> Maybe it is possible to rebuilt the entire MS Access in JavaScript? The following link is a desktop built in JS and HTML:
> 
> https://www.os-js.org/
> 
> I think it is time for some younger hackers to step up. :-)
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: "Mark Simms" <mar.ko at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Access article
> 
> re: "The main problem with Access and the lack of forward progress is that they swung for the web three times and missed all three times.
> 
> Jim."Those were half-hearted attempts. What they needed to do (and they knew this) was to port the entire Access VBA Object model to a javascript environment.Then a conversion tool would be needed to handle the conversion of desktop apps to web apps.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 14 20:10:16 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 19:10:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
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I thought HIPAA security had been abandoned?...given Google and the hospitals?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:47:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Being involved in the patch management of hundreds of client computers, I can tell you that it's getting worse rather than better, so the answer may just be "no one". 

A couple of proven methods:
-Only apply security patches and decide on a case by case basis for all others.

-In Windows 10 upgrade settings put yourself on the delayed list for new Windows versions. Currently we've barely got everyone upgraded to 1903 and 1909 is already breaking out (yes, that's a pun).

-Monitor all patches for a couple of weeks before applying them. Panicking because of vulnerabilities is akin to cutting oneself because thieves are in the street. 
-Many patches break things. You probably just don't realize it because you don't utilize that particular functionality. RE: the original Spectre vulnerability patches had major problems and broke millions of PCs causing them to not boot. Most PCs are still vulnerable to similar types of attacks, those patches addressed one method, not the underlying problem.

I monitor lists of patching and upgrading pros (similar to this one but with a different focus) and I would guess I've had 30-40 messages come through this year. I search on each patch to see what it breaks before applying. Even so, I've had 4 laptops this year that black screened on my clients. They weren't listed as affected by that problem but apparently I was the lucky one who got to find out. The resolution was fairly easy but ONLY because I was aware of it happening to other models.

Caveat - if you have to meet certain feel good regulations like HIPAA, PCI or your local govt's feel good security measures, then make sure you get the security updates installed before the regulatory scans.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the 
> update query to update another query that selects everything from the 
> table, rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-rece
> nt-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-o
> ffice-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around 
> and uninstall it for everyone.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 14 20:33:05 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 19:33:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
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Ha ha ha ha .... ;-)

Jim

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "James Button" <jamesbutton at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Give the girl a break.

It's Junior High term time.



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was introduced
> with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change to fix a security
> vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of Office,
> including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery will
> depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch Tuesday
> build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, which
> was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a criteria
> specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, nor any query
> that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that updates the result set
> of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the update
> query to update another query that selects everything from the table,
> rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-recent-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 14 22:48:34 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 04:48:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
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Ignored as much as possible but by no means gone. Like PCI it?s a feel good security measure that can be interpreted in various ways. It doesn't address the real problem. I only have 2 client offices that are in need of HIPAA compliance. I just don't do any HIPAA related inspections, etc. and put all of the onus of the client. HIPAA has become another IT specialization and one I want no part of. My state of residence has now implemented a new voting security policy of some sort that needs to be in place by the end of January. All of the office clerks are emailing me and panicking. Eventually I'll read it after I have an IT Specialist Attorney read it and advise me. If its something I pursue, it'll just raise my liability and, henceforth, rates. I doubt it'll change anything I do as I already do the best I can on security. So, if I accept the liability to some degree I guess the extra jing would be OK. Kind of thinking at this point I won't.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

I thought HIPAA security had been abandoned?...given Google and the hospitals?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:47:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Being involved in the patch management of hundreds of client computers, I can tell you that it's getting worse rather than better, so the answer may just be "no one". 

A couple of proven methods:
-Only apply security patches and decide on a case by case basis for all others.

-In Windows 10 upgrade settings put yourself on the delayed list for new Windows versions. Currently we've barely got everyone upgraded to 1903 and 1909 is already breaking out (yes, that's a pun).

-Monitor all patches for a couple of weeks before applying them. Panicking because of vulnerabilities is akin to cutting oneself because thieves are in the street. 
-Many patches break things. You probably just don't realize it because you don't utilize that particular functionality. RE: the original Spectre vulnerability patches had major problems and broke millions of PCs causing them to not boot. Most PCs are still vulnerable to similar types of attacks, those patches addressed one method, not the underlying problem.

I monitor lists of patching and upgrading pros (similar to this one but with a different focus) and I would guess I've had 30-40 messages come through this year. I search on each patch to see what it breaks before applying. Even so, I've had 4 laptops this year that black screened on my clients. They weren't listed as affected by that problem but apparently I was the lucky one who got to find out. The resolution was fairly easy but ONLY because I was aware of it happening to other models.

Caveat - if you have to meet certain feel good regulations like HIPAA, PCI or your local govt's feel good security measures, then make sure you get the security updates installed before the regulatory scans.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Thanks for that.  What a headache.  Who's doing QA over at MSFT these days?


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:15 AM Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Ryan
>
> I had this explanation:
>
> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.  A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License  builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the 
> update query to update another query that selects everything from the 
> table, rather than updating the query directly.
>
> I.e., if you have a query like:
>
>     UPDATE Table1 SET Table1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Table1].[Field2]=1);
>
> Then, create a new query (Query1) defined as:
>
>     Select * from Table1;
>
> and update your original query to:
>
>     UPDATE Query1 SET Query1.Field1 = "x" WHERE ([Query1].[Field2]=1);
>
> The page "Fixes or workarounds for recent issues in Access":
>
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Fixes-or-workarounds-for-rece
> nt-issues-in-Access-54962069-14f4-4474-823a-ff7e5974a570
>
> will be updated to reflect this.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af Ryan W
> Sendt: 13. november 2019 16:07
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-o
> ffice-2013-november-12-2019
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around 
> and uninstall it for everyone.
>
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From bensonforums at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 01:16:29 2019
From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 02:16:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <CAFXiSd9pJONXhwL-xC4NnfzjCc+7r3qWuD9o4oJcJe3ER7hQoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd9pJONXhwL-xC4NnfzjCc+7r3qWuD9o4oJcJe3ER7hQoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJLzs_3fHeecpiQvETm=1XNKpWNr-8EW30kjEogfE4Mnb50w-g@mail.gmail.com>

Broke how?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:08 AM Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.
> --
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>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 16 02:56:03 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:56:03 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access
In-Reply-To: <CAJLzs_3fHeecpiQvETm=1XNKpWNr-8EW30kjEogfE4Mnb50w-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXiSd9pJONXhwL-xC4NnfzjCc+7r3qWuD9o4oJcJe3ER7hQoA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAJLzs_3fHeecpiQvETm=1XNKpWNr-8EW30kjEogfE4Mnb50w-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337CBA14DC9E9725E6E2CF3CA730@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As here:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/access-error-query-is-corrupt-fad205a5-9fd4-49f1-be83-f21636caedec

/gustav

________________________________
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com>
Sendt: 16. november 2019 08:16
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] New KB breaks Access

Broke how?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:08 AM Ryan W <wrwehler at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019
>
>
> This KB really broke our system this morning.  Just had to run around and
> uninstall it for everyone.

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 18 19:26:16 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:26:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1301MB21866A68207074B3FC2DE895CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866652720FDB5602ED953DCB4D0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR08MB586233BDA841479162A2F016BC4C0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866A68207074B3FC2DE895CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1301MB2186DC99697E735231BB70C4CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages
Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm)
Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> 
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the 
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages
Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm)
Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34




From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 18 21:41:49 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:41:49 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1301MB2186DC99697E735231BB70C4CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866652720FDB5602ED953DCB4D0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR08MB586233BDA841479162A2F016BC4C0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866A68207074B3FC2DE895CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB2186DC99697E735231BB70C4CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB3153E70BBE787110BD8B543FD84C0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 18 21:53:19 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:53:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB3153E70BBE787110BD8B543FD84C0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866652720FDB5602ED953DCB4D0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR08MB586233BDA841479162A2F016BC4C0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866A68207074B3FC2DE895CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB2186DC99697E735231BB70C4CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153E70BBE787110BD8B543FD84C0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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>From your mouth to God's ear. :-)

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 18 23:57:52 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:57:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB3153E70BBE787110BD8B543FD84C0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866652720FDB5602ED953DCB4D0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR08MB586233BDA841479162A2F016BC4C0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB21866A68207074B3FC2DE895CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR1301MB2186DC99697E735231BB70C4CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<BL0PR11MB3153E70BBE787110BD8B543FD84C0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 19 01:09:23 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 07:09:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB1337DF5D5DF305C101419DB3CA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rocky et al

Either now or shortly, you can now download the update for O365 Monthly Channel/2016 C2R.

Likewise, for the MSI installs, like:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484198/november-18-2019-update-for-office-2016-kb4484198

You should be able to receive them by Windows Update.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sendt: 19. november 2019 02:26
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 19 10:06:01 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:06:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB1337DF5D5DF305C101419DB3CA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337DF5D5DF305C101419DB3CA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1301MB218641E64B73A3CE729BB009CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Gustav:

Are these updates the ones that will cause the problem with update queries or fix it?

Tks

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Hi Rocky et al

Either now or shortly, you can now download the update for O365 Monthly Channel/2016 C2R.

Likewise, for the MSI installs, like:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484198/november-18-2019-update-for-office-2016-kb4484198

You should be able to receive them by Windows Update.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sendt: 19. november 2019 02:26
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 19 10:27:31 2019
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:27:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1301MB218641E64B73A3CE729BB009CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337DF5D5DF305C101419DB3CA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<DM5PR1301MB218641E64B73A3CE729BB009CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR1001MB13374021C8D61AA321C78C2CCA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rocky

Sorry, the second only is a fix. Forget the first link.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sendt: 19. november 2019 17:06
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Gustav:

Are these updates the ones that will cause the problem with update queries or fix it?

Tks

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Hi Rocky et al

Either now or shortly, you can now download the update for O365 Monthly Channel/2016 C2R.

Likewise, for the MSI installs, like:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484198/november-18-2019-update-for-office-2016-kb4484198

You should be able to receive them by Windows Update.

/gustav 


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 19 18:44:28 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:44:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1301MB2186918CC1AA52307E71B0FACB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB315311A3B4366C6442CFE245D84F0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I had no idea. I know some parishes make their own but I always figured was more of a participation effort than anything else. Do they make wine too?

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 19 18:44:29 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:44:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR1001MB13374021C8D61AA321C78C2CCA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <HE1PR1001MB1337DF5D5DF305C101419DB3CA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<DM5PR1301MB218641E64B73A3CE729BB009CB4C0@DM5PR1301MB2186.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<HE1PR1001MB13374021C8D61AA321C78C2CCA4C0@HE1PR1001MB1337.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Test, test, test. Deploy. 

Sometimes the fixes are as bad as the problem. Had a Surface dock that wouldn't work properly today (I just happened to stop onsite for another reason) There's a firmware update for Surface docks. Applied that. Noticed a couple of other updates that needed applying. Applied those as they cause no know issues. 3 hours later he couldn't print. The print spooler got mucked up. Cleaned that up but as you can tell...

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Hi Rocky

Sorry, the second only is a fix. Forget the first link.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> P? vegne af rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sendt: 19. november 2019 17:06
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Gustav:

Are these updates the ones that will cause the problem with update queries or fix it?

Tks

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Hi Rocky et al

Either now or shortly, you can now download the update for O365 Monthly Channel/2016 C2R.

Likewise, for the MSI installs, like:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484198/november-18-2019-update-for-office-2016-kb4484198

You should be able to receive them by Windows Update.

/gustav 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 19 20:46:35 2019
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin bchacc.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:46:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR11MB315311A3B4366C6442CFE245D84F0@BL0PR11MB3153.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR08MB5862AEBEAF357549E9F93B54BC4D0@BYAPR08MB5862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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As I understand it, there are two main bakeries in the U.S. - one on the East coast somewhere and one in St. Louis.  They order in bulk from St. Louis. Whole wheat and white.  Communicant's wafers (5 inch), sick people wafers - small ones.

Being Jewish it was all new to me. :)

She belongs to the Discalced order of Carmelites - they go either barefoot or with sandals. 

The first sister I worked with there was a propeller head like me - had done the first system in Dbase.  But she needed more and so I got hired.  That was almost 19 years ago.  I still do a little work for them - 3-4 times a year I'll hear from Sister Ara with a question or a need for something.

Recently they went to O365 and that's where I think the problem is that she's having - that update query thing. 

Anyway, she's always blessing me and that can't hurt a bit (seems to be working actually). 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I had no idea. I know some parishes make their own but I always figured was more of a participation effort than anything else. Do they make wine too?

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 19 22:44:31 2019
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 04:44:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
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Never disregard any blessings! ?

When I got Bell's Palsey earlier this summer the neurologist (Dr. Glassisempty) said I had "no hope of recovery  - except maybe prayer, if you're one of that type." 

Besides him doing zero for the money I paid him, that comment irritated me.

So, I sent an email out to all of the various religious organizations I have done work for over the years. I figure that pretty much ran the gamut of known religions. Within a couple of days my excruciating pain was gone. Not sure which group pulled it off but that was the best quid pro quo I know of!

Then I set out to prove the glass was half... ?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

As I understand it, there are two main bakeries in the U.S. - one on the East coast somewhere and one in St. Louis.  They order in bulk from St. Louis. Whole wheat and white.  Communicant's wafers (5 inch), sick people wafers - small ones.

Being Jewish it was all new to me. :)

She belongs to the Discalced order of Carmelites - they go either barefoot or with sandals. 

The first sister I worked with there was a propeller head like me - had done the first system in Dbase.  But she needed more and so I got hired.  That was almost 19 years ago.  I still do a little work for them - 3-4 times a year I'll hear from Sister Ara with a question or a need for something.

Recently they went to O365 and that's where I think the problem is that she's having - that update query thing. 

Anyway, she's always blessing me and that can't hurt a bit (seems to be working actually). 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I had no idea. I know some parishes make their own but I always figured was more of a participation effort than anything else. Do they make wine too?

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 20 15:44:52 2019
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:44:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
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Excellent. 

If prayer can't help at least it wouldn't hurt. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:44:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Never disregard any blessings! ?

When I got Bell's Palsey earlier this summer the neurologist (Dr. Glassisempty) said I had "no hope of recovery  - except maybe prayer, if you're one of that type." 

Besides him doing zero for the money I paid him, that comment irritated me.

So, I sent an email out to all of the various religious organizations I have done work for over the years. I figure that pretty much ran the gamut of known religions. Within a couple of days my excruciating pain was gone. Not sure which group pulled it off but that was the best quid pro quo I know of!

Then I set out to prove the glass was half... ?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

As I understand it, there are two main bakeries in the U.S. - one on the East coast somewhere and one in St. Louis.  They order in bulk from St. Louis. Whole wheat and white.  Communicant's wafers (5 inch), sick people wafers - small ones.

Being Jewish it was all new to me. :)

She belongs to the Discalced order of Carmelites - they go either barefoot or with sandals. 

The first sister I worked with there was a propeller head like me - had done the first system in Dbase.  But she needed more and so I got hired.  That was almost 19 years ago.  I still do a little work for them - 3-4 times a year I'll hear from Sister Ara with a question or a need for something.

Recently they went to O365 and that's where I think the problem is that she's having - that update query thing. 

Anyway, she's always blessing me and that can't hurt a bit (seems to be working actually). 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I had no idea. I know some parishes make their own but I always figured was more of a participation effort than anything else. Do they make wine too?

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Nov 20 16:40:25 2019
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Daniel Waters)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:40:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] corrupt file error
In-Reply-To: <2043440829.650335384.1574286292363.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
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Perhaps they all worked together!  Good to have friends like that!  :-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: November 20, 2019 15:45
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Excellent. 

If prayer can't help at least it wouldn't hurt. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:44:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

Never disregard any blessings! ?

When I got Bell's Palsey earlier this summer the neurologist (Dr. Glassisempty) said I had "no hope of recovery  - except maybe prayer, if you're one of that type." 

Besides him doing zero for the money I paid him, that comment irritated me.

So, I sent an email out to all of the various religious organizations I have done work for over the years. I figure that pretty much ran the gamut of known religions. Within a couple of days my excruciating pain was gone. Not sure which group pulled it off but that was the best quid pro quo I know of!

Then I set out to prove the glass was half... ?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

As I understand it, there are two main bakeries in the U.S. - one on the East coast somewhere and one in St. Louis.  They order in bulk from St. Louis. Whole wheat and white.  Communicant's wafers (5 inch), sick people wafers - small ones.

Being Jewish it was all new to me. :)

She belongs to the Discalced order of Carmelites - they go either barefoot or with sandals. 

The first sister I worked with there was a propeller head like me - had done the first system in Dbase.  But she needed more and so I got hired.  That was almost 19 years ago.  I still do a little work for them - 3-4 times a year I'll hear from Sister Ara with a question or a need for something.

Recently they went to O365 and that's where I think the problem is that she's having - that update query thing. 

Anyway, she's always blessing me and that can't hurt a bit (seems to be working actually). 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I had no idea. I know some parishes make their own but I always figured was more of a participation effort than anything else. Do they make wine too?

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

I sent her the stuff I gleaned from what you all wrote in your thread about this.  I did get an email from her a little later saying " The tech is taking a second try to fix it".  Haven't heard anything since.  I'll call her tomorrow. 

One of the most interesting databases I ever created.  Do you know how many different kinds of communion wafers there are? They service about 120 parishes who have standing weekly orders with extras for Lent, Easter, Christmas, and Advent. Shipping and billing. A little business they're running.  In a cloistered monastery in the middle of San Diego. 

r

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow via AccessD
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: John Bartow
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error

It's all over the web. Have the sisters send him a link.

John Bartow
WinHaven Consulting

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From: AccessD <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] corrupt file error



From: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: FW: corrupt file error

Tech support - can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.

Sister Ara Marie (for whom I wrote an Altar Bread Distribution System years ago - but that's a long story) has the Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt problem from an update query that was in a thread - last week? I posted Gustav's explanation to her and told her to ask their tech support to fix it - they would know what do to when they read the email.

(Sigh)

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Please can you fix it Rocky as it is in CABS the Tech wrote below that all was secure I guess he could not fix it?


Our Tech wrote "I ran an update and checked the security installer that file you got an email for is not affecting your computer.? your system is up to date and secure.

Thank you
David

Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

I give you a new commandment love one another.? As I have loved you, so you also should love one another.? ?John 13:34


From: rockysmolin bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: November 18, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Sr Ara Marie Young <sramycarmel at outlook.com>
Subject: RE: corrupt file error

Sister Ara:

Microsoft done busted your system.? You probably have automatic updates set on your system.? So when Microsoft has an update to Windows of Office, it happens automatically.

This is the update that happened a week ago:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4484119/security-update-for-office-2013-november-12-2019

And here is the explanation:


> This is not a Windows update problem, but a problem that was 
> introduced with the November Patch Tuesday Office release.? A change 
> to fix a security vulnerability causes some legitimate queries to be reported as corrupt.
> Because the change was a security fix, it impacts ALL builds of 
> Office, including 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, and O365.
>
> The bug has been fixed in all channels, but the timing of delivery 
> will depend on what channel you are on.
>
> For 2010, 2013, and 2016 MSI, and 2019 Volume License? builds, and the
> O365 Semi-annual channel, the fix will be in the December Patch 
> Tuesday build, Dec 10.
> For O365, Monthly Channel, and Insiders, this will be fixed when the 
> October fork is released, currently planned for Nov 24.
>
> For the Semi-Annual channel, the bug was introduced in 11328.20468, 
> which was released Nov 12, but doesn't roll out to everyone all at once.
> If you can, you might want to hold off on updating until Dec 10.
>
> The issue occurs for update queries against a single table with a 
> criteria specified (so other types of queries shouldn't be impacted, 
> nor any query that updates all rows of a table, nor a query that 
> updates the result set of another query).
> Given that, the simplest workaround in most cases is to change the
>
If you have some tech support for your system, show them this email and they will know what to do.

Otherwise, give me a call and we'll see if we can figure a way around this problem.

Best,

Rocky


From: Sr Ara Marie Young [mailto:sramycarmel at outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 PM
To: rockysmolin bchacc.com
Subject: corrupt file error

Good afternoon Rocky, I hope all is going well with you.? I received a error message Runtime error '3340' Query 'qryUpdateShipDate is corrupt, the message says.? It occurred when I was trying post a record O'Connors T069 ship week R with todays date.

Is it possible to fix this today? I thank you for your service and assistance!
Thanks a million Sr. Ara


Dear Carmelite Friends,

Our Email Provider has changed so please update your address book with this new email address sramycarmel at outlook.com Thank you.


Many of God's blessings,

Sister Ara Marie, OCD


Carmelite Monastery
Altar Bread Dept.
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego, CA? 92116
Email: sramycarmel at outlook.com
Phone:? (619) 280-5424 Ext. 161
Fax:????? (619) 283-2121
Emergency: Cell#: (619) 971-0322 - Active during power outages Pickup Available: M,W,Th, F & Sat (8:00am to 2:45pm) Closed Tuesdays

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