From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Mar 10 10:24:26 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:24:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows Message-ID: Hi all My latest article is two-fold: Time Zones, Windows, and VBA - Part 1 Obtaining and using time zones in Windows is not simple. It involves API calls and reading the Registry. Some information is localised, and some is not. Here you will find a complete set of functions that wraps the difficult steps, eases common tasks, and helps when designing user interfaces. Time Zones, Windows, and Microsoft Office - Part 2 Listing and selecting time zones in Microsoft Access and Excel is not straight forward. In the previous article was shown how to retrieve the time zones of Windows. Here will be demonstrated how to create tables to store these and how to display and select a time zone in Microsoft Access and Excel. I was so tired of all the small bits and pieces collected through the years that didn't play well together, that I decided to write a complete set of functions for the purpose. It also includes yet an example of a CallBack function in Access. Both an Access and an Excel demo are attached the articles. Full and current code and demos can be found at any time on GitHub: VBA.Timezone-Windows /gustav From pcs.accessd at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 04:17:46 2020 From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:17:46 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Many thanks for sharing on the AccessD list ... Very quiet here these days, wonder why... If you have any links to information / tips / ideas for how to use git / github to version control an Access application, I?d really appreciate it. And to everyone, best wishes that you all stay well, safe and happy during this pandemic. /Borge On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:25 pm, Gustav Brock via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > Hi all > > My latest article is two-fold: > > Time Zones, Windows, and VBA - Part 1< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33988/Time-Zones-Windows-and-VBA-Part-1.html > > > Obtaining and using time zones in Windows is not simple. It involves API > calls and reading the Registry. Some information is localised, and some is > not. Here you will find a complete set of functions that wraps the > difficult steps, eases common tasks, and helps when designing user > interfaces. > > Time Zones, Windows, and Microsoft Office - Part 2< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33997/Time-Zones-Windows-and-Microsoft-Office-Part-2.html > > > Listing and selecting time zones in Microsoft Access and Excel is not > straight forward. In the previous article was shown how to retrieve the > time zones of Windows. Here will be demonstrated how to create tables to > store these and how to display and select a time zone in Microsoft Access > and Excel. > > I was so tired of all the small bits and pieces collected through the > years that didn't play well together, that I decided to write a complete > set of functions for the purpose. > It also includes yet an example of a CallBack function in Access. > > Both an Access and an Excel demo are attached the articles. > > Full and current code and demos can be found at any time on GitHub: > VBA.Timezone-Windows > > /gustav > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Mar 15 04:38:15 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 09:38:15 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Borge Most of the listers have retired or moved to other environments, I believe. No, I don't know of some ready-built method for version control. I just zip the full file. Quite different, but you may be interested in http://rubberduckvba.com/ /gustav ________________________________ Fra: AccessD p? vegne af Borge Hansen Sendt: 15. marts 2020 10:17 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows Hi Gustav, Many thanks for sharing on the AccessD list ... Very quiet here these days, wonder why... If you have any links to information / tips / ideas for how to use git / github to version control an Access application, I?d really appreciate it. And to everyone, best wishes that you all stay well, safe and happy during this pandemic. /Borge On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:25 pm, Gustav Brock via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > Hi all > > My latest article is two-fold: > > Time Zones, Windows, and VBA - Part 1< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33988/Time-Zones-Windows-and-VBA-Part-1.html > > > Obtaining and using time zones in Windows is not simple. It involves API > calls and reading the Registry. Some information is localised, and some is > not. Here you will find a complete set of functions that wraps the > difficult steps, eases common tasks, and helps when designing user > interfaces. > > Time Zones, Windows, and Microsoft Office - Part 2< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33997/Time-Zones-Windows-and-Microsoft-Office-Part-2.html > > > Listing and selecting time zones in Microsoft Access and Excel is not > straight forward. In the previous article was shown how to retrieve the > time zones of Windows. Here will be demonstrated how to create tables to > store these and how to display and select a time zone in Microsoft Access > and Excel. > > I was so tired of all the small bits and pieces collected through the > years that didn't play well together, that I decided to write a complete > set of functions for the purpose. > It also includes yet an example of a CallBack function in Access. > > Both an Access and an Excel demo are attached the articles. > > Full and current code and demos can be found at any time on GitHub: > VBA.Timezone-Windows > > /gustav From pcs.accessd at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 19:38:04 2020 From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:38:04 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gustav, the http://rubberduckvba.com as an extension to the VBA coding environment for MS Access and Excel looks very interesting and I will be testing it out. And to all readers of this list, FYI: World wide interactive list of coronavirus cases - most complete up to date and maintained by John Hopkins University https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map-faq.html Keep safe wherever you are. /borge On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:39 PM Gustav Brock via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > Hi Borge > > Most of the listers have retired or moved to other environments, I believe. > > No, I don't know of some ready-built method for version control. I just > zip the full file. > > Quite different, but you may be interested in http://rubberduckvba.com/ > > /gustav > > > ________________________________ > Fra: AccessD p? vegne af Borge > Hansen > Sendt: 15. marts 2020 10:17 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows > > Hi Gustav, > Many thanks for sharing on the AccessD list ... > Very quiet here these days, wonder why... > > If you have any links to information / tips / ideas for how to use git / > github to version control an Access application, I?d really appreciate it. > > And to everyone, best wishes that you all stay well, safe and happy during > this pandemic. > > /Borge > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:25 pm, Gustav Brock via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > My latest article is two-fold: > > > > Time Zones, Windows, and VBA - Part 1< > > > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33988/Time-Zones-Windows-and-VBA-Part-1.html > > > > > Obtaining and using time zones in Windows is not simple. It involves API > > calls and reading the Registry. Some information is localised, and some > is > > not. Here you will find a complete set of functions that wraps the > > difficult steps, eases common tasks, and helps when designing user > > interfaces. > > > > Time Zones, Windows, and Microsoft Office - Part 2< > > > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33997/Time-Zones-Windows-and-Microsoft-Office-Part-2.html > > > > > Listing and selecting time zones in Microsoft Access and Excel is not > > straight forward. In the previous article was shown how to retrieve the > > time zones of Windows. Here will be demonstrated how to create tables to > > store these and how to display and select a time zone in Microsoft Access > > and Excel. > > > > I was so tired of all the small bits and pieces collected through the > > years that didn't play well together, that I decided to write a complete > > set of functions for the purpose. > > It also includes yet an example of a CallBack function in Access. > > > > Both an Access and an Excel demo are attached the articles. > > > > Full and current code and demos can be found at any time on GitHub: > > VBA.Timezone-Windows > > > > > /gustav > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From pcs.accessd at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 20:07:45 2020 From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 09:07:45 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] MS Access and Python Message-ID: Hi all, After 17 years of mainly just reading about web app development (since start of .net in 2003) I have just started dabbling with Python, Flask and SQLalchemy for web app development and web API. Fascinating open source development environment. However, question here is if any of you have any experience with using Python functions - called from MS Access and with a return parameter back to MS Access? We have an MS Access app with a email broadcast module that the client is using about 2 times a year to send out tens of thousands of invitation emails with personalised attachments. We are using VB software module from Chilkat software for connecting and transmitting to the smtp server. However, the task takes quite some time and is of course blocking any further work on that MS Access frontend while the task is running. I've been thinking of moving the code for doing this task to a multi threaded Python function. I am wondering if it is possible to call such function from within Access and just getting a "success" or "ran with exceptions" back to Access once finished. The Python function will talk directly with the SQL backend to get the data and produce a text file log of all emails sent. Anyone with ideas / experience on this? /borge From bensonforums at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 00:13:43 2020 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 01:13:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have nothing to add but a WOW! "Began dabbling with [three] new languages". You're just what this day and age needs. I can't find the energy or concentration to dabble in anything I don't know already. Good on you Borge! On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:08 PM Borge Hansen wrote: > Hi all, > > After 17 years of mainly just reading about web app development (since > start of .net in 2003) I have just started dabbling with Python, Flask and > SQLalchemy for web app development and web API. Fascinating open source > development environment. > > However, question here is if any of you have any experience with using > Python functions - called from MS Access and with a return parameter back > to MS Access? > > We have an MS Access app with a email broadcast module that the client is > using about 2 times a year to send out tens of thousands of invitation > emails with personalised attachments. We are using VB software module from > Chilkat software for connecting and transmitting to the smtp server. > However, the task takes quite some time and is of course blocking any > further work on that MS Access frontend while the task is running. > > I've been thinking of moving the code for doing this task to a multi > threaded Python function. > I am wondering if it is possible to call such function from within Access > and just getting a "success" or "ran with exceptions" back to Access once > finished. The Python function will talk directly with the SQL backend to > get the data and produce a text file log of all emails sent. > > Anyone with ideas / experience on this? > > /borge > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bensonforums at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 00:22:06 2020 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 01:22:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, please X-Post this to Excel-L On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:25 AM Gustav Brock via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > Hi all > > My latest article is two-fold: > > Time Zones, Windows, and VBA - Part 1< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33988/Time-Zones-Windows-and-VBA-Part-1.html > > > Obtaining and using time zones in Windows is not simple. It involves API > calls and reading the Registry. Some information is localised, and some is > not. Here you will find a complete set of functions that wraps the > difficult steps, eases common tasks, and helps when designing user > interfaces. > > Time Zones, Windows, and Microsoft Office - Part 2< > https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33997/Time-Zones-Windows-and-Microsoft-Office-Part-2.html > > > Listing and selecting time zones in Microsoft Access and Excel is not > straight forward. In the previous article was shown how to retrieve the > time zones of Windows. Here will be demonstrated how to create tables to > store these and how to display and select a time zone in Microsoft Access > and Excel. > > I was so tired of all the small bits and pieces collected through the > years that didn't play well together, that I decided to write a complete > set of functions for the purpose. > It also includes yet an example of a CallBack function in Access. > > Both an Access and an Excel demo are attached the articles. > > Full and current code and demos can be found at any time on GitHub: > VBA.Timezone-Windows > > /gustav > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Mar 18 06:34:47 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:34:47 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows Message-ID: Hi Borge What a dashboard. Thanks for the link. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD P? vegne af Borge Hansen Sendt: 18. marts 2020 01:38 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Time zones in Windows Thanks Gustav, the http://rubberduckvba.com as an extension to the VBA coding environment for MS Access and Excel looks very interesting and I will be testing it out. And to all readers of this list, FYI: World wide interactive list of coronavirus cases - most complete up to date and maintained by John Hopkins University https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map-faq.html Keep safe wherever you are. /borge From pcs.accessd at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 01:01:01 2020 From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:01:01 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi listers and Bill, Please excuse me but the following is just some free styling and with a request towards the very end - any one can just press delete at any time ... Well - believe me Bill, I find energy and concentration very wanting as I 'dabble' into these new areas. Since late December I have been in Shanghai along with my wife visiting our daughter and son-in-law and welcoming their firstborn, Elias, on 16 January. (We used to live here from 2011 to 2017 - a wonderful experience!) With no restaurants, shopping malls open during these special times the five of us have had a 'stay at home' life for the past eight weeks which has afforded me the opportunity to 'dabble' a bit. It's been a long journey. Back in the 80's I got into Dbase and later on DataEase. When I went to Australia in '88 I had the opportunity to develop a complete cost accounting system for a large real estate development project - all based on DataEase on DOS and running on a Novell network - and using what I had learning while 'dabbling' with financial and cost accounting systems within the oil and gas industry back in Norway (I am a Dane with 12 years in Norway). I thought I could carve out a living doing DataEase development in Australia (a lot of finance, banks and insurance were using DataEase at that time. In '93 our longest time client ever (since '94 based in US and still our client) contacted me to help them with an Event Management System written in DataEase and with reports being further processed in WordPerfect (anyone remember WordPerfect?). In '95 Microsoft Windows became so widespread that we had to consider to move away from DOS based development. In '98 I contacted one of the beta testers of MS Access who was living in my area and was running a successful little developer shop and asked if I could come and work and assist for free (I guess this is what we call an 'intern' in contemporary lingo - I was 47 at that time). And so I did. It was like climbing a vertical wall - think El Capitan). But I dabbled and learned and was mentored enough to be confident in converting the Event Management System from DataEase to MS Access 97. What was especially an issue for me to get used to was the "event" based nature of Access and the fact that all objects were spun up in one big cocoon like .mdb file. With DataEase it had been so easy to send - on a slow dial up modem - an update to a report or two. (Major updates and new features required 15 DOS floppy disks and Federal Express! : - )) ) So, in December '99 I went three weeks to Washington DC for face to face meetings and final development and conversion of all data from DataEase to MS Access 97. Since then I have been 'devoted' to MS Access and been engaged with our own MS Access development shop with a stint of 'consultant / paid employee by my old mentor in '07-'09 and never looked back on DataEase ( - well not quite true, every few years I would look at their website to see what they were up to and as recent as today I had a look to see if Dbase was still in existence - and lo and behold current version is Dbase 2019!). To follow on with our client from back in '93 we upgraded to MS Access 2003 a couple of years after issue, likewise for Access 2010 while skipping 2007 and 2013 versions. In 2007 we had upgrade path and proposal to MS SQL Server ready for the client but it took another 8 years and their transition to a cloud based MS Server 2012 with remote terminal access to finally come around to doing the transition. (Meanwhile every year - besides adding many new features to the application - at least once a year we would have to sort out a corruption issue in the MS Access backend - sounds familiar?). So in June 2015 we finally did the transition to MS SQL backend and in 2018 to the MS Access 365 subscription based version. No corruption issues with SQL backend - running flawlessly. Only two times since 2015 has the system come to a halt - and both times caused by Microsoft issuing upgrades prematurely. The IT people of the cloud server platform has finally agreed to turn off automatic upgrades to their MS Office 365. But back to 2003: Dot Net came out and javascript was maturing and there was this buzz about developing rich responsive web based applications. But like Bill I thought let me stick to what I know and wait for the next "MS Access wonder" in the world of web application development. I have been waiting ever since - reading about Model View Controller development, separation of concern, middleware, Java, ORMs, Single Page Web applications or SPAs, how javascript has matured to handle both web server and front end development with creation of javascript development platforms such as Angular, React and Vue. I looked into and even purchased a developer version of Alpha Anywhere ( a big hello to Arthur Fuller - wherever you are - who I know was also a 'dabbler' with this platform) only to find it was overall too closed a platform for my liking. I have been reading for a while about the increasing popularity of Python for use in science, math, big data, web development and how MS SQL Server is now providing driver for Python and I think has provided even closer linked features in their latest version of SQL Server. And Microsoft has incorporated its use in Visual Studio Code very nicely. And Python is totally open source but in good hands. So fast forward to about eight weeks ago: Without good mentors - any dabbling in new languages and platforms would be impossible for most of us I guess. I've come across some excellent youtube instructional videos by Corey Schafer and Miguel Grinberg when it comes to an introduction to Python, using it on Visual Studio Code or Sublime Text IDE and web application development using Flask (which itself is written in Python). I find the Python development especially appealing due to the one feature of 'virtual environment'. Once you have installed the latest version of the Python programming language itself, for whatever you want to do with it you will most likely depend and download a number of 'python-packages' - pieces of software that handles various tasks from creating a web development server or reading / writing http requests; handling CRUD to a database of your choice (SQLalchemy with ORM access or direct access to many different data stores), Flask as a lightweight web development platform (recommend what Miguel Grinberg has to offer here re introduction to Flask). I also came across the "Read The Docs" and "Sphinx" web sites featuring apps for creating software and API manuals and other technical documentation. Sphinx has Python as the engine for developing these static hypertext html pages. (For this to happen you also need to be a little bit familiar with Mark Down code or reStructured Text code - a way to mark up plain text files for final formatting in html or pdf that may also include figures, photos, mathematical formulas, etc. without having to use a graphical user interface like Word or Scrivener (the latter being an authoring / film - theater script creation piece of software that I used for setting up the PDF and ePub versions of a book that my wife had written while in China). Yes, it takes effort to master and get used to something like reStructuredText and it has annoyed me quite a bit over the past few days - wiping the "build" folder with all the static html pages with one terminal command - pages created by the underlying Sphinx python software based on some simple .rst text files - and quickly re-creating a new set of static html pages based on changes to the mark up in the .rst text files using another high level Sphinx python-package command in the integrated terminal of Visual Studio Code. ... So with this 'virtual environment' feature you keep each of your projects totally separate: You have the main Python core language in one area; for each project you start in an empty directory, with a few simple commands your create your virtual environment to hold any 'python-packages' - extensions that enhances the functionality and capability of the core python language, and your own functions, classes, objects you have separate again from your "venv" directory holding your python extension packages necessary for your project. Well, this rambling has to come to an end. If you are no longer here ... I understand! If you are : The Event Management System I talked about above is in need of a Contingency Plan in order to achieve a sustainable operation into the 2020's. I recently turned 70 and although I plan to stick around for a bit longer, no one knows what tomorrow will bring. I am in the process of putting forward the scope for such a plan and development of necessary documents and work flow procedures. One part of such a plan obviously will deal with who will continue to take charge of further maintenance and development of the application, should I no longer be available. ANY one who would be interested to be on a MS Access developer list for the client to contact if and when such a step becomes necesary? I plan to have a proper technical manual prepared during the coming months, so anyone who may be contacted by the client to take over will not walk into this app totally in the wild. I can provide you with a high level overview of the data objects making up the app and how the app hangs together (startup - linking of tables to SQL - Forms - reporting structure etc.) If the client agrees I also plan to streamline (refactor I think is the parlance word) the vba code this coming year. Yes, the vba code is what it is - not shiningly beautiful - but it's been solidly working this many years. Any one interested? And thanks for reading this far! Stay safe! /borge On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:14 PM Bill Benson wrote: > > I have nothing to add but a WOW! "Began dabbling with [three] new > languages". You're just what this day and age needs. I can't find the > energy or concentration to dabble in anything I don't know already. Good on > you Borge! > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:08 PM Borge Hansen wrote: From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Mar 19 02:45:24 2020 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:45:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] MS Access and Python Message-ID: Hi Borge (or is it B?rge?) What a story. However, as we age together, I'm not a candidate to take over. Perhaps you should indicate if it would preferable to be on location, and if that is Washington DC. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: AccessD P? vegne af Borge Hansen Sendt: 19. marts 2020 07:01 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] MS Access and Python Hi listers and Bill, Please excuse me but the following is just some free styling and with a request towards the very end - any one can just press delete at any time ... Well - believe me Bill, I find energy and concentration very wanting as I 'dabble' into these new areas. Since late December I have been in Shanghai along with my wife visiting our daughter and son-in-law and welcoming their firstborn, Elias, on 16 January. (We used to live here from 2011 to 2017 - a wonderful experience!) With no restaurants, shopping malls open during these special times the five of us have had a 'stay at home' life for the past eight weeks which has afforded me the opportunity to 'dabble' a bit. It's been a long journey. Back in the 80's I got into Dbase and later on DataEase. When I went to Australia in '88 I had the opportunity to develop a complete cost accounting system for a large real estate development project - all based on DataEase on DOS and running on a Novell network - and using what I had learning while 'dabbling' with financial and cost accounting systems within the oil and gas industry back in Norway (I am a Dane with 12 years in Norway). I thought I could carve out a living doing DataEase development in Australia (a lot of finance, banks and insurance were using DataEase at that time. In '93 our longest time client ever (since '94 based in US and still our client) contacted me to help them with an Event Management System written in DataEase and with reports being further processed in WordPerfect (anyone remember WordPerfect?). In '95 Microsoft Windows became so widespread that we had to consider to move away from DOS based development. In '98 I contacted one of the beta testers of MS Access who was living in my area and was running a successful little developer shop and asked if I could come and work and assist for free (I guess this is what we call an 'intern' in contemporary lingo - I was 47 at that time). And so I did. It was like climbing a vertical wall - think El Capitan). But I dabbled and learned and was mentored enough to be confident in converting the Event Management System from DataEase to MS Access 97. What was especially an issue for me to get used to was the "event" based nature of Access and the fact that all objects were spun up in one big cocoon like .mdb file. With DataEase it had been so easy to send - on a slow dial up modem - an update to a report or two. (Major updates and new features required 15 DOS floppy disks and Federal Express! : - )) ) So, in December '99 I went three weeks to Washington DC for face to face meetings and final development and conversion of all data from DataEase to MS Access 97. Since then I have been 'devoted' to MS Access and been engaged with our own MS Access development shop with a stint of 'consultant / paid employee by my old mentor in '07-'09 and never looked back on DataEase ( - well not quite true, every few years I would look at their website to see what they were up to and as recent as today I had a look to see if Dbase was still in existence - and lo and behold current version is Dbase 2019!). To follow on with our client from back in '93 we upgraded to MS Access 2003 a couple of years after issue, likewise for Access 2010 while skipping 2007 and 2013 versions. In 2007 we had upgrade path and proposal to MS SQL Server ready for the client but it took another 8 years and their transition to a cloud based MS Server 2012 with remote terminal access to finally come around to doing the transition. (Meanwhile every year - besides adding many new features to the application - at least once a year we would have to sort out a corruption issue in the MS Access backend - sounds familiar?). So in June 2015 we finally did the transition to MS SQL backend and in 2018 to the MS Access 365 subscription based version. No corruption issues with SQL backend - running flawlessly. Only two times since 2015 has the system come to a halt - and both times caused by Microsoft issuing upgrades prematurely. The IT people of the cloud server platform has finally agreed to turn off automatic upgrades to their MS Office 365. But back to 2003: Dot Net came out and javascript was maturing and there was this buzz about developing rich responsive web based applications. But like Bill I thought let me stick to what I know and wait for the next "MS Access wonder" in the world of web application development. I have been waiting ever since - reading about Model View Controller development, separation of concern, middleware, Java, ORMs, Single Page Web applications or SPAs, how javascript has matured to handle both web server and front end development with creation of javascript development platforms such as Angular, React and Vue. I looked into and even purchased a developer version of Alpha Anywhere ( a big hello to Arthur Fuller - wherever you are - who I know was also a 'dabbler' with this platform) only to find it was overall too closed a platform for my liking. I have been reading for a while about the increasing popularity of Python for use in science, math, big data, web development and how MS SQL Server is now providing driver for Python and I think has provided even closer linked features in their latest version of SQL Server. And Microsoft has incorporated its use in Visual Studio Code very nicely. And Python is totally open source but in good hands. So fast forward to about eight weeks ago: Without good mentors - any dabbling in new languages and platforms would be impossible for most of us I guess. I've come across some excellent youtube instructional videos by Corey Schafer and Miguel Grinberg when it comes to an introduction to Python, using it on Visual Studio Code or Sublime Text IDE and web application development using Flask (which itself is written in Python). I find the Python development especially appealing due to the one feature of 'virtual environment'. Once you have installed the latest version of the Python programming language itself, for whatever you want to do with it you will most likely depend and download a number of 'python-packages' - pieces of software that handles various tasks from creating a web development server or reading / writing http requests; handling CRUD to a database of your choice (SQLalchemy with ORM access or direct access to many different data stores), Flask as a lightweight web development platform (recommend what Miguel Grinberg has to offer here re introduction to Flask). I also came across the "Read The Docs" and "Sphinx" web sites featuring apps for creating software and API manuals and other technical documentation. Sphinx has Python as the engine for developing these static hypertext html pages. (For this to happen you also need to be a little bit familiar with Mark Down code or reStructured Text code - a way to mark up plain text files for final formatting in html or pdf that may also include figures, photos, mathematical formulas, etc. without having to use a graphical user interface like Word or Scrivener (the latter being an authoring / film - theater script creation piece of software that I used for setting up the PDF and ePub versions of a book that my wife had written while in China). Yes, it takes effort to master and get used to something like reStructuredText and it has annoyed me quite a bit over the past few days - wiping the "build" folder with all the static html pages with one terminal command - pages created by the underlying Sphinx python software based on some simple .rst text files - and quickly re-creating a new set of static html pages based on changes to the mark up in the .rst text files using another high level Sphinx python-package command in the integrated terminal of Visual Studio Code. ... So with this 'virtual environment' feature you keep each of your projects totally separate: You have the main Python core language in one area; for each project you start in an empty directory, with a few simple commands your create your virtual environment to hold any 'python-packages' - extensions that enhances the functionality and capability of the core python language, and your own functions, classes, objects you have separate again from your "venv" directory holding your python extension packages necessary for your project. Well, this rambling has to come to an end. If you are no longer here ... I understand! If you are : The Event Management System I talked about above is in need of a Contingency Plan in order to achieve a sustainable operation into the 2020's. I recently turned 70 and although I plan to stick around for a bit longer, no one knows what tomorrow will bring. I am in the process of putting forward the scope for such a plan and development of necessary documents and work flow procedures. One part of such a plan obviously will deal with who will continue to take charge of further maintenance and development of the application, should I no longer be available. ANY one who would be interested to be on a MS Access developer list for the client to contact if and when such a step becomes necesary? I plan to have a proper technical manual prepared during the coming months, so anyone who may be contacted by the client to take over will not walk into this app totally in the wild. I can provide you with a high level overview of the data objects making up the app and how the app hangs together (startup - linking of tables to SQL - Forms - reporting structure etc.) If the client agrees I also plan to streamline (refactor I think is the parlance word) the vba code this coming year. Yes, the vba code is what it is - not shiningly beautiful - but it's been solidly working this many years. Any one interested? And thanks for reading this far! Stay safe! /borge On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:14 PM Bill Benson wrote: > > I have nothing to add but a WOW! "Began dabbling with [three] new > languages". You're just what this day and age needs. I can't find the > energy or concentration to dabble in anything I don't know already. > Good on you Borge! > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:08 PM Borge Hansen wrote: -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bensonforums at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:27:31 2020 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:27:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: former attempt to post was Truncated due to length. I am not a bit surprised ;) ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bill Benson Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS Access and Python To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> I agree it was one hell of a story ... and journey ... and I admire you for doing it. I am mucccccchhhhhh too lazy to try to keep up. Or, as I may have said earlier, devoid of the required energy and interest. I do hope you find someone worthy to fill your shoes. However I hope also that you enjoy 20 to 30 more years of being able to pursue this love of computing!! BB On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:46 AM Gustav Brock via AccessD < accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > Hi Borge (or is it B?rge?) > > What a story. However, as we age together, I'm not a candidate to take > over. > > Perhaps you should indicate if it would preferable to be on location, and > if that is Washington DC. > > /gustav > > > From pcs.accessd at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 00:22:08 2020 From: pcs.accessd at gmail.com (Borge Hansen) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:22:08 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bill for your words of encouragement. Yes, I also was caught and reminded of the 20Kb limit for an email. Learned how to send gmail as plain text and remove old conversation bar the last one. When going to the database advisors website to discard the obese email attempts I discovered that the email service is run on Python! And using ?mailman? which is probably the service sourced from Chilkat software that I mentioned in earlier post! The benefit of plain lean email text I get, but what would it take to increase the current 20Kb limit? Finally - as much as I regret to see the dwindling activity on this list - can I ask what other quality MS Access forums any remaining fellow listers are using these days? /borge - and yes Gustav original spelling is b?rge :) On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:28 AM Bill Benson wrote: > > former attempt to post was Truncated due to length. I am not a bit > surprised ;) > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Bill Benson > Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS Access and Python > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > > I agree it was one hell of a story ... and journey ... and I admire you for > doing it. I am mucccccchhhhhh too lazy to try to keep up. Or, as I may have > said earlier, devoid of the required energy and interest. > > I do hope you find someone worthy to fill your shoes. However I hope also > that you enjoy 20 to 30 more years of being able to pursue this love of > computing!! > > BB > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:46 AM Gustav Brock via AccessD < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > Hi Borge (or is it B?rge?) From bensonforums at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 00:39:59 2020 From: bensonforums at gmail.com (Bill Benson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 01:39:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can give give Access-L a try. If I recall, this is how to sign up. Send an email to Listserv at peach.ease.lsoft.com In the body (or subject, not sure - but both won't hurt) type ?SUBSCRIBE Access-L " followed by your name as you want it to appear in posts. Many of the people there are also on Access Database Advisors but it's not completely overlapping. Bill On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 1:22 AM Borge Hansen wrote: > Thanks Bill for your words of encouragement. > Yes, I also was caught and reminded of the 20Kb limit for an email. > Learned how to send gmail as plain text and remove old conversation > bar the last one. When going to the database advisors website to > discard the obese email attempts I discovered that the email service > is run on Python! And using ?mailman? which is probably the service > sourced from Chilkat software that I mentioned in earlier post! The > benefit of plain lean email text I get, but what would it take to > increase the current 20Kb limit? > Finally - as much as I regret to see the dwindling activity on this > list - can I ask what other quality MS Access forums any remaining > fellow listers are using these days? > > /borge > - and yes Gustav original spelling is b?rge :) > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:28 AM Bill Benson > wrote: > > > > former attempt to post was Truncated due to length. I am not a bit > > surprised ;) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Bill Benson > > Date: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS Access and Python > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > > > > > I agree it was one hell of a story ... and journey ... and I admire you > for > > doing it. I am mucccccchhhhhh too lazy to try to keep up. Or, as I may > have > > said earlier, devoid of the required energy and interest. > > > > I do hope you find someone worthy to fill your shoes. However I hope also > > that you enjoy 20 to 30 more years of being able to pursue this love of > > computing!! > > > > BB > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:46 AM Gustav Brock via AccessD < > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Borge (or is it B?rge?) > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 09:28:50 2020 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:28:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fwd: MS Access and Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The 20K limit was established due to some of our members having low speed or EXPENSIVE CHARGED PER VOLUME internet connections. While it certainly COULD be changed it's not likely it will be changed GK On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:22 AM Borge Hansen wrote: > > Thanks Bill for your words of encouragement. > Yes, I also was caught and reminded of the 20Kb limit for an email. > Learned how to send gmail as plain text and remove old conversation > bar the last one. When going to the database advisors website to > discard the obese email attempts I discovered that the email service > is run on Python! And using ?mailman? which is probably the service > sourced from Chilkat software that I mentioned in earlier post! The > benefit of plain lean email text I get, but what would it take to > increase the current 20Kb limit? > Finally - as much as I regret to see the dwindling activity on this > list - can I ask what other quality MS Access forums any remaining > fellow listers are using these days? > > /borge > - and yes Gustav original spelling is b?rge :) > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com