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<DIV><SPAN class=368130123-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
have a point. If the technology guy really is good he should never get caught.
<vbg></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=368130123-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jim
H</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust@infostatsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
5:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928372322-11042003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail, the manager
or the technical guy? <VBG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=928372322-11042003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Charlotte Foust</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to other
managers if you actually understand the technical aspect of what you are
managing. They don't, you do, you win. <g> The other part of the
equation IMHO is that purely technical guys salary levels generally cap
out below 6 figures. Good managers have significant growth potential in
both $$ and in terms of career growth. Of course it is like anything else in
life-- you have to enjoy it if you expect to excel. Few are more miserable
than a "manager" who has risen to his "Peter principle"
level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=589210222-11042003></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>J<SPAN class=589210222-11042003>im
H</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=589210222-11042003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>[Hale,
Jim] </FONT></SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
April 11, 2003 2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT:
Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702564619-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks for that tidbit, Charles. I guess I'm just looking to
be identified as a senior technical guy, but not a manager. I
already work for management types who create my project schedules that
couldn't create a form with one table using the Access wizard!
<bg> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
3:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Randy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Now that
you state your intention is to work toward senior management, I can
state that an MBA is almost a prerequisite these days to reach that
goal. Also, experience int the operations side of an organization
always helps. With your 10+ years on the technical side with an
MIS, you should consider the information intensive industries as your
target organizations since that gives you 10 years experience in the
operational side already.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><B><FONT color=#0000ff>Charles
Wortz</FONT></B></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>Software Development Division</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Texas Education Agency</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>1701 N. Congress
Ave</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Austin, TX
78701-1494</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>512-463-9493</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall
Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday 2003 Apr
11 14:18<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><B>Importance:</B>
Low<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=987431319-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite a bit
now. That's exactly what my intent was, but it seems everyone I've
spoken/wrote to in the tech side is saying ROI is nil. The minute
someone sees MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the management track, we
want somebody technical". With my MIS degree, I pretty much do the
translator/referee thing quite a bit. Right now it's running about
8 to 1, "get some certs and experience in those cert skills, you don't
need more education". Thanks again for your
advice.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11,
2003 2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT:
Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to stay on
the technical side of the business." However, if you aspire to
management and eventually senior management positions the combination
of business knowledge and technical expertise is relatively rare and
therefore can give you a decided edge (not to mention more $$). An
MBA, or any degree for that matter, does not by itself grant business
smarts but can certainly point you in the right direction. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>For example, the ability to bridge the gap as
"translator" and "referee" between IT and accounting staffs by
possessing in depth technical and business knowledge of both camps can
make you close to indispensable in some companies ;-). (Indispensable
also=$$). BTW, Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon is
essentially my current job description although I arrived here
bassackwards from your proposed path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and
became CFO of a NY stock exchange company before switching to the
database/financial reporting side because it is definitely more fun).
Good luck!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Jim Hale</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: Wortz, Charles [<A
href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT>
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<P><FONT size=2>Randy,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't hurt
you, but it probably</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>will not help you if you
want to stay on the technical side of the</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>business. With 10+ years experience your resume and your
good</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>references should get you an interview
with any place worth working.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>All your
references will say you walk on water, won't they? <grin></FONT>
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<P><FONT size=2>Charles Wortz</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Software
Development Division</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Texas Education
Agency</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>512-463-9493</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: Randall Anthony [<A
href="mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com">mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com</A>]
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Hi y'all. I'm looking for
opinions/suggestions. I'm looking into an</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge College (I'm also
looking</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>into Univ of Phoenix online
program). It's an MBA on tech steroids, so</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn Oracle 9i, Java,
.net, OOP,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>XML, HTML, et al. Has any one
gone through this? Better yet, any of</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>the mgt types here have an opinion on the impact it would have
on down</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the road? I've got 10+ years in
da business, mainly doing</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>DBA/development in
Access, SQL and .ASP. Your opinions are definitely</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>wanted. Thanks!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy @ ext. 473</FONT> <BR><FONT
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