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<DIV><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to other managers
if you actually understand the technical aspect of what you are managing. They
don't, you do, you win. <g> The other part of the equation IMHO is that
purely technical guys salary levels generally cap out below 6 figures. Good
managers have significant growth potential in both $$ and in terms of career
growth. Of course it is like anything else in life-- you have to enjoy it if you
expect to excel. Few are more miserable than a "manager" who has risen to his
"Peter principle" level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>[Hale,
Jim] </FONT></SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall
Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702564619-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks for that tidbit, Charles. I guess I'm just looking to be
identified as a senior technical guy, but not a manager. I already work
for management types who create my project schedules that couldn't create a
form with one table using the Access wizard! <bg>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003 3:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Randy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Now that you
state your intention is to work toward senior management, I can state that
an MBA is almost a prerequisite these days to reach that goal. Also,
experience int the operations side of an organization always helps.
With your 10+ years on the technical side with an MIS, you should consider
the information intensive industries as your target organizations since that
gives you 10 years experience in the operational side
already.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><B><FONT color=#0000ff>Charles Wortz</FONT></B></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Software Development
Division</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Texas
Education Agency</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>1701
N. Congress Ave</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>512-463-9493</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall
Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday 2003 Apr 11
14:18<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><B>Importance:</B>
Low<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=987431319-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite a bit now.
That's exactly what my intent was, but it seems everyone I've spoken/wrote
to in the tech side is saying ROI is nil. The minute someone sees MBA
or MM it's "oh, this guys on the management track, we want somebody
technical". With my MIS degree, I pretty much do the
translator/referee thing quite a bit. Right now it's running about 8
to 1, "get some certs and experience in those cert skills, you don't need
more education". Thanks again for your advice.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to stay on the
technical side of the business." However, if you aspire to management and
eventually senior management positions the combination of business
knowledge and technical expertise is relatively rare and therefore can
give you a decided edge (not to mention more $$). An MBA, or any degree
for that matter, does not by itself grant business smarts but can
certainly point you in the right direction. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>For example, the ability to bridge the gap as "translator"
and "referee" between IT and accounting staffs by possessing in depth
technical and business knowledge of both camps can make you close to
indispensable in some companies ;-). (Indispensable also=$$). BTW,
Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon is essentially my current
job description although I arrived here bassackwards from your proposed
path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and became CFO of a NY stock exchange
company before switching to the database/financial reporting side because
it is definitely more fun). Good luck!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Jim Hale</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Wortz, Charles [<A
href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't hurt you,
but it probably</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>will not help you if you want to
stay on the technical side of the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>business.
With 10+ years experience your resume and your good</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>references should get you an interview with any place worth
working.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>All your references will say you walk on
water, won't they? <grin></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Charles Wortz</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Software Development
Division</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Texas Education Agency</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Austin, TX
78701-1494</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>512-463-9493</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Randall Anthony [<A
href="mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com">mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com</A>]
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Hi y'all. I'm looking for
opinions/suggestions. I'm looking into an</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge College (I'm also
looking</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>into Univ of Phoenix online
program). It's an MBA on tech steroids, so</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn Oracle 9i, Java, .net,
OOP,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>XML, HTML, et al. Has any one gone
through this? Better yet, any of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the mgt
types here have an opinion on the impact it would have on down</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>the road? I've got 10+ years in da business, mainly
doing</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>DBA/development in Access, SQL and .ASP.
Your opinions are definitely</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>wanted.
Thanks!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy @ ext. 473</FONT> <BR><FONT
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