From artful at rogers.com  Mon Sep  1 12:59:40 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:59:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Close but no cigar
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABGEBCCPAA.artful@rogers.com>

I'm trying to write a function that parses a string and returns a table of
its values. So far I'm close but need some help on the final step.

This preliminary codes in QA:

declare @string varchar(50)
set @string = '100, 200, 300, 400'

declare @pos int
while @string > ''
	begin
	set @pos = charindex(',', @string)
	if @pos > 0
		begin
		select substring( @string, 1, @pos - 1)
		select @string = LTrim(substring( @string, @pos + 1, LEN(@string)- at pos+1))
		select @string
		end
	else
		set @string = ''
	end

This works fine and runs pretty quickly.

Next, I tried to turn it into a table-valued function, like so:

CREATE FUNCTION fn_StringToTable (@String varchar(50))
RETURNS @Values TABLE (ID int primary key)
AS
begin
--	declare @string varchar(50)
--	set @string = '100, 200, 300, 400'

	declare @pos int
	declare @value int

	while @string > ''
	-- begin
	set @pos = charindex(',', @string)
	if @pos > 0
		begin
		set @value = substring( @string, 1, @pos - 1)
		select @string = LTrim(substring( @string, @pos + 1, LEN(@string)- at pos+1))
		--select @string
		insert @Values SELECT @value
		end
	else
		set @string = ''

	RETURN
end

When I run this version, i.e. "select * from fn_StringToTable( '100, 200,
333, 444, 555')", it seems to go into space. Doesn't crash or anything, but
I keep cancelling because it's taking so long.

What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  1 11:27:10 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:27:10 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Close but no cigar
Message-ID: <BAY1-F127e3zbyVdh9C00041b0e@hotmail.com>

You need a BEGIN --END GROUP for your WHILE loop. If you don't put one, then 
SS only includes the next statement as part of your WHILE loop, in which 
case produced an infinite loop.

BTW, select * from fn_StringToTable( '100, 200, 333, 444, 555') only 
produces:

100
200
333
444

HTH
Billy


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Close but no cigar
>Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:59:40 -0700
>
>I'm trying to write a function that parses a string and returns a table of
>its values. So far I'm close but need some help on the final step.
>
>This preliminary codes in QA:
>
>declare @string varchar(50)
>set @string = '100, 200, 300, 400'
>
>declare @pos int
>while @string > ''
>	begin
>	set @pos = charindex(',', @string)
>	if @pos > 0
>		begin
>		select substring( @string, 1, @pos - 1)
>		select @string = LTrim(substring( @string, @pos + 1, 
>LEN(@string)- at pos+1))
>		select @string
>		end
>	else
>		set @string = ''
>	end
>
>This works fine and runs pretty quickly.
>
>Next, I tried to turn it into a table-valued function, like so:
>
>CREATE FUNCTION fn_StringToTable (@String varchar(50))
>RETURNS @Values TABLE (ID int primary key)
>AS
>begin
>--	declare @string varchar(50)
>--	set @string = '100, 200, 300, 400'
>
>	declare @pos int
>	declare @value int
>
>	while @string > ''
>	-- begin
>	set @pos = charindex(',', @string)
>	if @pos > 0
>		begin
>		set @value = substring( @string, 1, @pos - 1)
>		select @string = LTrim(substring( @string, @pos + 1, 
>LEN(@string)- at pos+1))
>		--select @string
>		insert @Values SELECT @value
>		end
>	else
>		set @string = ''
>
>	RETURN
>end
>
>When I run this version, i.e. "select * from fn_StringToTable( '100, 200,
>333, 444, 555')", it seems to go into space. Doesn't crash or anything, but
>I keep cancelling because it's taking so long.
>
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>TIA,
>Arthur
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Sep  1 15:07:25 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:07:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Close but no cigar
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F127e3zbyVdh9C00041b0e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABAEBGCPAA.artful@rogers.com>

Thanks, Billy!

Here's my revised code:

<sql>
ALTER FUNCTION fn_StringToTable (@String varchar(100))
RETURNS @Values TABLE (ID int primary key)
AS
begin

	declare @pos int
	declare @value int

	while @string > ''
	begin
	set @pos = charindex(',', @string)
	if @pos > 0
		begin
		set @value = substring( @string, 1, @pos - 1)
		select @string = LTrim(substring( @string, @pos + 1, LEN(@string)- at pos+1))
		--select @string
		insert @Values SELECT @value
		end
	else
		IF len(@string) > 0
		   begin
		   set @value = @string
		   insert @Values SELECT @value
  		   set @string = ''
		   end
	else
  		   set @string = ''
	end

	-- just to see what I'm doing
	--SELECT * FROM @Values
	RETURN
end

</sql>

It now works as it should, finding the '555' at the end, but the tests look
a little clumsy to me. Can you think of any optimizations?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Billy
Pang
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:27 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Close but no cigar


You need a BEGIN --END GROUP for your WHILE loop. If you don't put one, then
SS only includes the next statement as part of your WHILE loop, in which
case produced an infinite loop.

BTW, select * from fn_StringToTable( '100, 200, 333, 444, 555') only
produces:

100
200
333
444

HTH
Billy

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Sep  1 16:33:26 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:33:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Long date format in SQL
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABCEBICPAA.artful@rogers.com>

Is there a convert or a cast (built-in) that produces an Access-style long
date? I've been in BOL for an hour and cannot locate anything similar.

TIA,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep  1 17:28:20 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:28:20 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Long date format in SQL
In-Reply-To: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABCEBICPAA.artful@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <3F5454A4.23117.217FFDC@localhost>

On 1 Sep 2003 at 14:33, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Is there a convert or a cast (built-in) that produces an Access-style long
> date? I've been in BOL for an hour and cannot locate anything similar.
> 
Not AFAIK. The Long date format is determined by the your systems 
settings, but you can roll any date format you like using a mixture 
of DatePart() and DateName() functions


 
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Sep  1 23:02:17 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:02:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Long date format in SQL
In-Reply-To: <3F5454A4.23117.217FFDC@localhost>
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABIECBCPAA.artful@rogers.com>

I figured as much. Just checking.

Arthur

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McLachlan
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:28 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Long date format in SQL


On 1 Sep 2003 at 14:33, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Is there a convert or a cast (built-in) that produces an Access-style long
> date? I've been in BOL for an hour and cannot locate anything similar.
>
Not AFAIK. The Long date format is determined by the your systems
settings, but you can roll any date format you like using a mixture
of DatePart() and DateName() functions



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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Sep  2 14:30:30 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:30:30 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Objects in a stored procedure
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2394C0@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

Is it possible to create objects, for example an ADODB recordset, in a
stored procedure?

Thanks,
Joe R.




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From cjm at haleyaldrich.com  Tue Sep  2 14:32:15 2003
From: cjm at haleyaldrich.com (McIsaac, Chris)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:32:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Objects in a stored procedure
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See sp_OACreate in BOL...

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Hi All,

Is it possible to create objects, for example an ADODB recordset, in a
stored procedure?

Thanks,
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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Fri Sep  5 01:13:18 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:13:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2394C0@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c37374$cd472be0$6465000a@venus>

Good Afternoon Everyone

After spending HOURS on this, I really need to ask for your help.  I have an
Access 2K front end and ODBC connection to my SQL db.  I am happily
communicating using ODBC and DAO, but ADO just keeps returning me "Data
source name not found and no default driver specified" every time I try and
connect.  I've tried 6 different connection strings and even made a UDL file
(which tests successfully) and still no luck.  All I'm really trying to do
is get back the @@IDENTITY from an Insert string, but I need ADO to use the
parameters.

Any suggestions or alternatives would be really greatfully received.

Best Regards

Selina



From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri Sep  5 06:50:57 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:50:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c37374$cd472be0$6465000a@venus>
Message-ID: <005a01c373a3$fc4cf030$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>

Have you checked your MDAC version.  You need to have at least MDAC 2.6
installed to work with SQL Server.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Selina
Iddon
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:13 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO


Good Afternoon Everyone

After spending HOURS on this, I really need to ask for your help.  I have an
Access 2K front end and ODBC connection to my SQL db.  I am happily
communicating using ODBC and DAO, but ADO just keeps returning me "Data
source name not found and no default driver specified" every time I try and
connect.  I've tried 6 different connection strings and even made a UDL file
(which tests successfully) and still no luck.  All I'm really trying to do
is get back the @@IDENTITY from an Insert string, but I need ADO to use the
parameters.

Any suggestions or alternatives would be really greatfully received.

Best Regards

Selina


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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri Sep  5 06:51:14 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:51:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c37374$cd472be0$6465000a@venus>
Message-ID: <005b01c373a4$05999d50$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>

Have you checked your MDAC version?  You need to have at least MDAC 2.6
installed to work with SQL Server.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Selina
Iddon
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:13 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO


Good Afternoon Everyone

After spending HOURS on this, I really need to ask for your help.  I have an
Access 2K front end and ODBC connection to my SQL db.  I am happily
communicating using ODBC and DAO, but ADO just keeps returning me "Data
source name not found and no default driver specified" every time I try and
connect.  I've tried 6 different connection strings and even made a UDL file
(which tests successfully) and still no luck.  All I'm really trying to do
is get back the @@IDENTITY from an Insert string, but I need ADO to use the
parameters.

Any suggestions or alternatives would be really greatfully received.

Best Regards

Selina


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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Fri Sep  5 07:59:36 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:59:36 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
References: <005a01c373a3$fc4cf030$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <012b01c373ad$8fb77fd0$6465000a@venus>

Thank you, I'm running MDAC 2.7.
Cheers
Selina


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Databases
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO


> Have you checked your MDAC version.  You need to have at least MDAC 2.6
> installed to work with SQL Server.
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Selina
> Iddon
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:13 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
>
>
> Good Afternoon Everyone
>
> After spending HOURS on this, I really need to ask for your help.  I have
an
> Access 2K front end and ODBC connection to my SQL db.  I am happily
> communicating using ODBC and DAO, but ADO just keeps returning me "Data
> source name not found and no default driver specified" every time I try
and
> connect.  I've tried 6 different connection strings and even made a UDL
file
> (which tests successfully) and still no luck.  All I'm really trying to do
> is get back the @@IDENTITY from an Insert string, but I need ADO to use
the
> parameters.
>
> Any suggestions or alternatives would be really greatfully received.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Selina
>
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Sep  5 10:11:24 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:11:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
In-Reply-To: <012b01c373ad$8fb77fd0$6465000a@venus>
References: <005a01c373a3$fc4cf030$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>
	<012b01c373ad$8fb77fd0$6465000a@venus>
Message-ID: <3F58A79C.3070308@verizon.net>

Selina Iddon wrote:
> Thank you, I'm running MDAC 2.7.
> Cheers
> Selina
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---- Selina Iddon selina at easydatabases.com.au Ph: 0414 225 265 Easy Access
> Databases
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
> 
> 
> 
>>Have you checked your MDAC version.  You need to have at least MDAC 2.6
>>installed to work with SQL Server.
>>

Thank you? the problem is solved? or thank you but you are using 2.7 and 
the problem persists :)

-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep  5 19:01:23 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:01:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
References: <005a01c373a3$fc4cf030$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>
 <012b01c373ad$8fb77fd0$6465000a@venus> <3F58A79C.3070308@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3F5923D3.7090402@shaw.ca>

Can you show us your connection string code  should look like one of the 
following

For Standard Security

oConn.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
           "Data Source=myServerName;" & _
           "Initial Catalog=myDatabaseName;" & _
           "User Id=myUsername;" & _
           "Password=myPassword"
 
For a Trusted Connection Windows Authentication

oConn.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
           "Data Source=myServerName;" & _
           "Initial Catalog=myDatabaseName;" & _
           "Integrated Security=SSPI"



Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> Selina Iddon wrote:
>
>> Thank you, I'm running MDAC 2.7.
>> Cheers
>> Selina
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>> ---- Selina Iddon selina at easydatabases.com.au Ph: 0414 225 265 Easy 
>> Access
>> Databases
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Doris Manning" 
>> <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
>> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:50 PM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
>>
>>
>>
>>> Have you checked your MDAC version.  You need to have at least MDAC 2.6
>>> installed to work with SQL Server.
>>>
>
> Thank you? the problem is solved? or thank you but you are using 2.7 
> and the problem persists :)
>



From knicholson at gpsx.net  Mon Sep  8 13:39:09 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:39:09 -0500 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0659C856@GUARDIAN_5>

Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that add
gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if the
user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  8 12:41:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:41:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
In-Reply-To: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0659C856@GUARDIAN_5>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEFHEPAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that add
gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if the
user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Mon Sep  8 13:52:47 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:52:47 -0500 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0659C867@GUARDIAN_5>

6 squigleys, no error message, except I dont get my second message box
stated in the else area.

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnMarkPaidClick(TObject *Sender)
{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnPayoutRptClick(TObject *Sender)
{
       crpe2->ReportFileName =
"c:\\KarenNicholson\\CPlusPlus\\QtrToDateRebatePay.rpt";
       crpe2->PrintReport();
       crpe2->PageZoom (100);
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:41 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that add
gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if the
user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Sep  8 12:51:15 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:51:15 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC244A@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

If you have the { before if, did you try the { before else instead of after
it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


6 squigleys, no error message, except I dont get my second message box
stated in the else area.

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnMarkPaidClick(TObject *Sender)
{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnPayoutRptClick(TObject *Sender)
{
       crpe2->ReportFileName =
"c:\\KarenNicholson\\CPlusPlus\\QtrToDateRebatePay.rpt";
       crpe2->PrintReport();
       crpe2->PageZoom (100);
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:41 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that add
gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if the
user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Sep  8 12:52:02 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:52:02 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A030FCC244B@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

My daughter is really the C++ expert in our family and if you do not get an
answer before I get in touch with her, I will forward your question to her.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


6 squigleys, no error message, except I dont get my second message box
stated in the else area.

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnMarkPaidClick(TObject *Sender)
{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnPayoutRptClick(TObject *Sender)
{
       crpe2->ReportFileName =
"c:\\KarenNicholson\\CPlusPlus\\QtrToDateRebatePay.rpt";
       crpe2->PrintReport();
       crpe2->PageZoom (100);
}
//--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:41 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that add
gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if the
user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From jbarash at bellatlantic.net  Mon Sep  8 13:19:02 2003
From: jbarash at bellatlantic.net (James Barash)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:19:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251813BA@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D925021193@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

I think you have your logic backwards. Your if statement is testing for
Not IDOK for the true part of the if and IDOK for the else part. You
should be testing for == IDOK

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


6 squigleys, no error message, except I dont get my second message box
stated in the else area.

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnMarkPaidClick(TObject *Sender) { if
(Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK) {StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}
//----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
-

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnPayoutRptClick(TObject *Sender) {
       crpe2->ReportFileName =
"c:\\KarenNicholson\\CPlusPlus\\QtrToDateRebatePay.rpt";
       crpe2->PrintReport();
       crpe2->PageZoom (100);
}
//----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:41 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that
add gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the
Rebate Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if
the user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  8 13:23:24 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:23:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
References: <005a01c373a3$fc4cf030$ef320cd8@hargrove.internal>
 <012b01c373ad$8fb77fd0$6465000a@venus> <3F58A79C.3070308@verizon.net>
 <3F5923D3.7090402@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F5CC91C.4080904@shaw.ca>

Here are some url's for verifying type of SQL authentication installed

By default, for Windows NT and later, MSDE installs by using Windows 
Authentication. On computers running Windows 98, MSDE uses SQL 
authentication.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;322336#4
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B325022#9
Using Microsoft Access 2002 with MSDE 2000
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k2/html/odc_msdeintro.asp

MartyConnelly wrote:

> Can you show us your connection string code  should look like one of 
> the following
>
> For Standard Security
>
> oConn.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
>           "Data Source=myServerName;" & _
>           "Initial Catalog=myDatabaseName;" & _
>           "User Id=myUsername;" & _
>           "Password=myPassword"
>
> For a Trusted Connection Windows Authentication
>
> oConn.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
>           "Data Source=myServerName;" & _
>           "Initial Catalog=myDatabaseName;" & _
>           "Integrated Security=SSPI"
>
>
>
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>
>> Selina Iddon wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, I'm running MDAC 2.7.
>>> Cheers
>>> Selina
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>> ---- Selina Iddon selina at easydatabases.com.au Ph: 0414 225 265 Easy 
>>> Access
>>> Databases
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Doris Manning" 
>>> <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
>>> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:50 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Can't connect with ADO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Have you checked your MDAC version.  You need to have at least MDAC 
>>>> 2.6
>>>> installed to work with SQL Server.
>>>>
>>
>> Thank you? the problem is solved? or thank you but you are using 2.7 
>> and the problem persists :)
>>
>
>
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>
>



From knicholson at gpsx.net  Mon Sep  8 15:27:12 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:27:12 -0500 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0659C8BC@GUARDIAN_5>

You were right, I did have it bass ackwards.  Made a bit of progress.  With
the code below, my procedure runs correctly (the second part) but I still
can't get the first message, Records Not Updated to show.  But I know it is
not sql-ing it on me.  I continue to sift through these books, I wrote the
application in an hour, now just adding the little nice things is going to
drive me to squiggly land.

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{(MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL));
}

else {
StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();


}
}

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:jbarash at bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:19 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


I think you have your logic backwards. Your if statement is testing for
Not IDOK for the true part of the if and IDOK for the else part. You
should be testing for == IDOK

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


6 squigleys, no error message, except I dont get my second message box
stated in the else area.

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnMarkPaidClick(TObject *Sender) { if
(Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the Rebate
Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK) {StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}
//----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
-

void __fastcall TfrmMainMenu::btnPayoutRptClick(TObject *Sender) {
       crpe2->ReportFileName =
"c:\\KarenNicholson\\CPlusPlus\\QtrToDateRebatePay.rpt";
       crpe2->PrintReport();
       crpe2->PageZoom (100);
}
//----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
-

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:41 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


It's been too long but first you have an uneven number of open curly
brackets { vs closed curly brackets.

Second, shouldn't the leading open bracket be behind the if?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]C++ Help


Do we have a group for C++ Help?  I am getting put through the learning
curve ringer, but it is great.  Went from SQL to VB6 now to C++.  Only
problems are those hiccups you get between languages, little things that
add gray hair.

This is my C++ code for an OK, CANCEL button:

{
if (Application->MessageBox("Warning - You are About to Update the
Rebate Pay Field","Warning",MB_OKCANCEL) != IDOK)
{StoredProc1->Prepare();
StoredProc1->ExecProc();
}

else {
MessageBox,(NULL, "Records Not Updated", NULL, NULL);
}
}


I don't think it is working - I don't get the message box I expect if
the user selects cancel.  Any thoughts?
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Sep  8 16:01:27 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:01:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Database is Suspect
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77CF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I tried connecting to a SQL2K database, but received the following
error: "Error 926 - Database cannot be opened.  It has been marked
SUSPECT by recovery".

This database is approximately 385GB, so we have no backup to restore.

Any ideas?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From shait at mindspring.com  Mon Sep  8 16:35:04 2003
From: shait at mindspring.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:35:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Database is Suspect
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D77CF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <3F5CBDC8.15532.AE6C06F@localhost>

You might check the repair options of DBCC CHECKDB.

Regards,
Stephen

> I tried connecting to a SQL2K database, but received the following
> error: "Error 926 - Database cannot be opened.  It has been marked
> SUSPECT by recovery".
> 
> This database is approximately 385GB, so we have no backup to
> restore.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 



From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep  8 18:00:39 2003
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:00:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]ad hoc querying
In-Reply-To: <3F5CBDC8.15532.AE6C06F@localhost>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEFPFCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Does anyone have code that does the following?

Allow a user to select fields from a GUI to create a SQL statement that can be saved as a query that the user can select from a pick list to run the query?

---
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Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep  8 18:31:52 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:31:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]ad hoc querying
In-Reply-To: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEFPFCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEFPFCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <3F5D1168.6090208@verizon.net>

Eric Barro wrote:
> Does anyone have code that does the following?
> 
> Allow a user to select fields from a GUI to create a SQL statement that can be saved as a query that the user can select from a pick list to run the query?
> 

check this site out for a template on Query by form...

http://www.rogerjcarlson.com


-- 
-Francisco

Leela: "Great. We're two days from earth with no food." 
Bender: "Problem solved. You two fight to the death and I'll cook the


From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep  9 14:33:29 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:33:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
Message-ID: <3F5E2B09.2000600@verizon.net>


Wanted to make sure you knew about this free web chat with Microsoft
today -

Query Optimization and Tuning
Join Microsoft and get the answers to your questions on best practices 
for optimizing your queries, using the various tools offered to see 
what's happening under the covers as SQL Server processes your request. 
Find out how to work with query plan or other topics that will help you 
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September 9, 2003
1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific time
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	"One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in 
a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey


From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  9 20:18:35 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:18:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
Message-ID: <BAY1-F44wfv5rGUJvWR0003893f@hotmail.com>

I missed this web chat.  is there an available transcript on it?



>From: Francisco H Tapia <my.lists at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com" 
><dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:33:29 -0700
>
>
>Wanted to make sure you knew about this free web chat with Microsoft
>today -
>
>Query Optimization and Tuning
>Join Microsoft and get the answers to your questions on best practices for 
>optimizing your queries, using the various tools offered to see what's 
>happening under the covers as SQL Server processes your request. Find out 
>how to work with query plan or other topics that will help you optimize 
>your applications and boost performance.
>
>September 9, 2003
>1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific time
>4:00 - 5:00 P.M. Eastern time
>20:00 - 21:00 GMT
>21:00 - 22:00 BST
>
>http://communities2.microsoft.com/home/chatroom.aspx?siteid=34000015
>
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>-Francisco
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>cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey
>
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Sep 10 08:26:10 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:26:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C74FD8@ccemail2.cce.local>

Billy,  I actually attended this session about a year ago and there was
a white paper you could download that went with it and that had even
more info than the session.  This was one of a series of 4 on
optimization and I found it very useful.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Pang [mailto:tuxedo_man at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:19 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]


I missed this web chat.  is there an available transcript on it?



>From: Francisco H Tapia <my.lists at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com"
><dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:33:29 -0700
>
>
>Wanted to make sure you knew about this free web chat with Microsoft 
>today -
>
>Query Optimization and Tuning
>Join Microsoft and get the answers to your questions on best practices 
>for
>optimizing your queries, using the various tools offered to see what's 
>happening under the covers as SQL Server processes your request. Find
out 
>how to work with query plan or other topics that will help you optimize

>your applications and boost performance.
>
>September 9, 2003
>1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific time
>4:00 - 5:00 P.M. Eastern time
>20:00 - 21:00 GMT
>21:00 - 22:00 BST
>
>http://communities2.microsoft.com/home/chatroom.aspx?siteid=34000015
>
>--
>-Francisco
>	"One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed
up in 
>a
>cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey
>
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed Sep 10 08:28:37 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:28:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Database is Suspect
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D18955B@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Stephen.
I contacted Microsoft support, and after a lot of tuning, CheckDB ended
up repairing the errors.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Hait [mailto:shait at mindspring.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:35 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Database is Suspect

You might check the repair options of DBCC CHECKDB.

Regards,
Stephen

> I tried connecting to a SQL2K database, but received the following
> error: "Error 926 - Database cannot be opened.  It has been marked
> SUSPECT by recovery".
> 
> This database is approximately 385GB, so we have no backup to
> restore.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Sep 10 10:06:25 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:06:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F44wfv5rGUJvWR0003893f@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY1-F44wfv5rGUJvWR0003893f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F5F3DF1.1040802@verizon.net>

yes, and I think about a week or two from now, same link IIRC...


-- 
-Francisco
Worst.. sig.. Evar!

Billy Pang wrote:

> I missed this web chat.  is there an available transcript on it?
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Francisco H Tapia <my.lists at verizon.net>
>> Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> To: "dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com" 
>> <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer][Fwd: Web Chat Notice - TODAY -]
>> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:33:29 -0700
>>
>>
>> Wanted to make sure you knew about this free web chat with Microsoft
>> today -
>>
>> Query Optimization and Tuning
>> Join Microsoft and get the answers to your questions on best practices 
>> for optimizing your queries, using the various tools offered to see 
>> what's happening under the covers as SQL Server processes your 
>> request. Find out how to work with query plan or other topics that 
>> will help you optimize your applications and boost performance.
>>
>> September 9, 2003
>> 1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific time
>> 4:00 - 5:00 P.M. Eastern time
>> 20:00 - 21:00 GMT
>> 21:00 - 22:00 BST
>>
>> http://communities2.microsoft.com/home/chatroom.aspx?siteid=34000015
>>
>> -- 
>> -Francisco
>>     "One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed 
>> up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse."  -Jack Handey


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 10 20:19:25 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:19:25 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911131135.00b41820@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select 
statement in a Sproc.

The following statement works -

SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
         WHERE MDQ <> 0
         GROUP BY GateIDNo
         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')

But when I do the following -

SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'

I get the following error -

Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.

Using Print (@qs) I get -

SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as OldMDQDate
                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))

Any suggestions?

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 10 20:58:46 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:58:46 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911131135.00b41820@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911135641.00b2e2f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I have also tried the following but with the same error message -

SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
                 FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                 WHERE MDQ <> 0
                 GROUP BY GateIDNo
                 HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))

David

At 11/09/2003, you wrote:
>I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select 
>statement in a Sproc.
>
>The following statement works -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')
>
>But when I do the following -
>
>SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'
>
>I get the following error -
>
>Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
>Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.
>
>Using Print (@qs) I get -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>_______________________________________________
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 10 22:46:55 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:46:55 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
In-Reply-To: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7B95@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911152735.00b4dd78@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for your response.  The problem WAS aliasing.

David

At 10/09/2003, you wrote:
>Also, you arent aliasing the inner Select statement:
>
>SELECT @qs =    'SELECT A.GateIDNo, A.MaxMDQ, A.OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS
>OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001'')) AS A'
>
>although I don't think that its really the problem.

>David McAfee
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:19 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
>
>
>I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select
>statement in a Sproc.
>
>The following statement works -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')
>
>But when I do the following -
>
>SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS
>OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'
>
>I get the following error -
>
>Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
>Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.
>
>Using Print (@qs) I get -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as
>OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205


From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Thu Sep 11 05:25:18 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:25:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911131135.00b41820@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000001c3784f$0380d470$ed320cd8@hargrove.internal>

Maybe it would help if you would explain more about why you are trying to do
this.  How is "@qs" declared and what are you trying to do with it?
 
Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com <http://www.hargroveinc.com/> 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:19 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement


I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select
statement in a Sproc.

The following statement works -

SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
        FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
        WHERE MDQ <> 0  
        GROUP BY GateIDNo
        HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')

But when I do the following -

SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
        FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS
OldMDQDate
                        FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                        WHERE MDQ <> 0  
                        GROUP BY GateIDNo
                        HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'

I get the following error -

Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.

Using Print (@qs) I get -

SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
        FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as
OldMDQDate
                        FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                        WHERE MDQ <> 0  
                        GROUP BY GateIDNo
                        HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))

Any suggestions?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 11 11:57:07 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:57:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
Message-ID: <BAY1-F107RfcjcMzfoV00003c51@hotmail.com>

David:

You need an alias for your subquery.

Try the following...

SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
        FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS 
OldMDQDate
                        FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
                        WHERE MDQ <> 0
                        GROUP BY GateIDNo
                        HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001'')) yo_table_name'

HTH
Billy


>From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:25:18 -0400
>
>Maybe it would help if you would explain more about why you are trying to 
>do
>this.  How is "@qs" declared and what are you trying to do with it?
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
>www.hargroveinc.com <http://www.hargroveinc.com/>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:19 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
>
>
>I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select
>statement in a Sproc.
>
>The following statement works -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')
>
>But when I do the following -
>
>SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS
>OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'
>
>I get the following error -
>
>Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
>Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.
>
>Using Print (@qs) I get -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as
>OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 11 14:29:00 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:29:00 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
In-Reply-To: <000001c3784f$0380d470$ed320cd8@hargrove.internal>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911131135.00b41820@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030912072739.00b1a800@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I was using @qs to see what the statement would evaluate to.  In the end it 
was aliasing the from select statement that caused the problem.

Thanks for responding.

David

At 11/09/2003, you wrote:
>Maybe it would help if you would explain more about why you are trying to 
>do this.  How is "@qs" declared and what are you trying to do with it?
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
><http://www.hargroveinc.com/>www.hargroveinc.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:19 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Sproc - Selecting from select statement
>
>I am trying to use a select statement as the source of another select 
>statement in a Sproc.
>
>The following statement works -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001')
>
>But when I do the following -
>
>SELECT @qs =    'SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) AS OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < ''20031001''))'
>
>I get the following error -
>
>Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 6
>Line 6: Incorrect syntax near ')'.
>
>Using Print (@qs) I get -
>
>SELECT GateIDNo, MaxMDQ, OldMDQDate
>         FROM (SELECT GateIDNo, MAX(MDQ) AS MaxMDQ, MAX(MDQDate) as OldMDQDate
>                         FROM dbo.tblGateStationMDQ
>                         WHERE MDQ <> 0
>                         GROUP BY GateIDNo
>                         HAVING (MAX(MDQDate) < '20031001'))
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:42:12 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:42:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F172U2qjAj5nkE000099e3@hotmail.com>

Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?

I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one gigantic 
file!

Thanks in advance,
Billy

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep 16 12:49:36 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:49:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F172U2qjAj5nkE000099e3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABEELDDAAA.artful@rogers.com>

Won't a dos command work? Are there special heads and tails to worry about?
If not, then this should work:

copy file1+file2+file3+etc output1.rtf

You'll need to group them like this to avoid spilling over the command-line
length.

Or am I missing something?


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Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?


Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?

I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one gigantic
file!

Thanks in advance,
Billy

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 16 14:26:25 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:26:25 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F101aSaWxyDu8C0001327b@hotmail.com>

The DOS command won't work.  There is some sort of Header and Footer in "RTF 
Code" and it looks different for each RTF file.  When you combine 3 RTF 
files into one using the DOS command Copy and then open it in Word, it will 
only display the first RTF file.

Any other suggestions?

Billy


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:49:36 -0700
>
>Won't a dos command work? Are there special heads and tails to worry about?
>If not, then this should work:
>
>copy file1+file2+file3+etc output1.rtf
>
>You'll need to group them like this to avoid spilling over the command-line
>length.
>
>Or am I missing something?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:42 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
>
>
>Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?
>
>I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one gigantic
>file!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Billy
>
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue Sep 16 14:32:02 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:32:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
Message-ID: <sf672cfc.028@cbc.ca>

Why not use Word.

1. Open the first one in Word.

2. Move to the end of the doc

3. Do an Insert|File... and select the next file

4. Go back to step 2 98 more times.

You should be able to automate it quite easily if all the files are in
the same directory.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> tuxedo_man at hotmail.com 16-Sep-03 3:26:25 PM >>>
The DOS command won't work.  There is some sort of Header and Footer in
"RTF 
Code" and it looks different for each RTF file.  When you combine 3 RTF

files into one using the DOS command Copy and then open it in Word, it
will 
only display the first RTF file.

Any other suggestions?

Billy


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:49:36 -0700
>
>Won't a dos command work? Are there special heads and tails to worry
about?
>If not, then this should work:
>
>copy file1+file2+file3+etc output1.rtf
>
>You'll need to group them like this to avoid spilling over the
command-line
>length.
>
>Or am I missing something?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:42 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
>
>
>Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?
>
>I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one
gigantic
>file!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Billy
>
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 16 15:45:13 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:45:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F59zabtneqdGSy0000c123@hotmail.com>

ok.... here is what I really want to do..
print out 100 word documents without having to open up each one...



>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:32:02 -0400
>
>Why not use Word.
>
>1. Open the first one in Word.
>
>2. Move to the end of the doc
>
>3. Do an Insert|File... and select the next file
>
>4. Go back to step 2 98 more times.
>
>You should be able to automate it quite easily if all the files are in
>the same directory.
>
>Bryan Carbonnell
>bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
>
> >>> tuxedo_man at hotmail.com 16-Sep-03 3:26:25 PM >>>
>The DOS command won't work.  There is some sort of Header and Footer in
>"RTF
>Code" and it looks different for each RTF file.  When you combine 3 RTF
>
>files into one using the DOS command Copy and then open it in Word, it
>will
>only display the first RTF file.
>
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Billy
>
>
> >From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
> >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:49:36 -0700
> >
> >Won't a dos command work? Are there special heads and tails to worry
>about?
> >If not, then this should work:
> >
> >copy file1+file2+file3+etc output1.rtf
> >
> >You'll need to group them like this to avoid spilling over the
>command-line
> >length.
> >
> >Or am I missing something?
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Billy
> >Pang
> >Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:42 PM
> >To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?
> >
> >I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one
>gigantic
> >file!
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Billy
> >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 16 16:52:28 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:52:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
Message-ID: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k>

Dear Group,

Has anyone here used or know of someone who has used SQL Server CE 2.0 to
develop applications for Windows Mobile devices? I've got a client who has a
bug up his rear about using hand-held devices to pick products from
inventory for shipping. He isn't using any Windows-based software now for
his manufacturing, inventory and order fulfillment...but he appears to be
open to the use of hand-held PCs for this purpose...maybe even wireless.

I've been looking through the Microsoft pages on Windows Mobile. I notice
that Access doesn't appear to be an option on a hand-held. Then I saw SQL
Server CE and I went, whaaaa? What do you lot think about it?

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach



From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Tue Sep 16 17:10:38 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:10:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
Message-ID: <032501c37c9f$6f65e960$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Billy,

Try this to print a word document:

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add("SomeFile.rtf")
    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

To print out 100 documents, put the code into a Function or Sub and call it
100 times, passing the name of the file to print.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Pang <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?


|ok.... here is what I really want to do..
|print out 100 word documents without having to open up each one...
|
|
|
|>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
|>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
|>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
|>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
|>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:32:02 -0400
|>
|>Why not use Word.
|>
|>1. Open the first one in Word.
|>
|>2. Move to the end of the doc
|>
|>3. Do an Insert|File... and select the next file
|>
|>4. Go back to step 2 98 more times.
|>
|>You should be able to automate it quite easily if all the files are in
|>the same directory.
|>
|>Bryan Carbonnell
|>bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
|>
|>
|> >>> tuxedo_man at hotmail.com 16-Sep-03 3:26:25 PM >>>
|>The DOS command won't work.  There is some sort of Header and Footer in
|>"RTF
|>Code" and it looks different for each RTF file.  When you combine 3 RTF
|>
|>files into one using the DOS command Copy and then open it in Word, it
|>will
|>only display the first RTF file.
|>
|>Any other suggestions?
|>
|>Billy
|>
|>
|> >From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
|> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
|> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
|> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
|> >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:49:36 -0700
|> >
|> >Won't a dos command work? Are there special heads and tails to worry
|>about?
|> >If not, then this should work:
|> >
|> >copy file1+file2+file3+etc output1.rtf
|> >
|> >You'll need to group them like this to avoid spilling over the
|>command-line
|> >length.
|> >
|> >Or am I missing something?
|> >
|> >
|> >-----Original Message-----
|> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
|> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Billy
|> >Pang
|> >Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:42 PM
|> >To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
|> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: combine multiple RTF files into one?
|> >
|> >
|> >Does anyone know how to combine multiple RTF files into one?
|> >
|> >I have about 100 RTF files and I need to combine them all into one
|>gigantic
|> >file!
|> >
|> >Thanks in advance,
|> >Billy
|> >
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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Tue Sep 16 17:40:47 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:40:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE480@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

HH's have been used at least for the past 3 years, including merge replication.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:52 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0


Dear Group,

Has anyone here used or know of someone who has used SQL Server CE 2.0 to develop applications for Windows Mobile devices? I've got a client who has a bug up his rear about using hand-held devices to pick products from inventory for shipping. He isn't using any Windows-based software now for his manufacturing, inventory and order fulfillment...but he appears to be open to the use of hand-held PCs for this purpose...maybe even wireless.

I've been looking through the Microsoft pages on Windows Mobile. I notice that Access doesn't appear to be an option on a hand-held. Then I saw SQL Server CE and I went, whaaaa? What do you lot think about it?

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 16 20:09:08 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:09:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE480@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>
Message-ID: <001101c37cb8$4dc2bae0$5d0ed018@W2k>

Robert,

>> HH's have been used at least for the past 3 years, including merge
replication. <<

Hmmm, maybe so. It seems like a lot of overkill for a hand-held especially
when there are perfectly good sync programs available. What's so special
about SQL Server CE? I'm trying to find a nice programmable database that
can be used on a hand-held to help out this client of mine. We even looked
at running a DOS emulator on a CE handheld to run dBASE or Paradox for DOS.

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 16 20:28:25 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:28:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>

They are supposed to work well in conjunction with DotNet. There are 
half a dozen videos on Microsoft site explaining this. Win CE .Net is 
probably easier to use than CE 3.0
With .net you can port to different mobile devices as there is a uniform 
screen emulator.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/seminar/mmcfeed/mmcdisplayfeed.asp?Lang=en&Product=103355&Audience=100402&frame=true

Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>Has anyone here used or know of someone who has used SQL Server CE 2.0 to
>develop applications for Windows Mobile devices? I've got a client who has a
>bug up his rear about using hand-held devices to pick products from
>inventory for shipping. He isn't using any Windows-based software now for
>his manufacturing, inventory and order fulfillment...but he appears to be
>open to the use of hand-held PCs for this purpose...maybe even wireless.
>
>I've been looking through the Microsoft pages on Windows Mobile. I notice
>that Access doesn't appear to be an option on a hand-held. Then I saw SQL
>Server CE and I went, whaaaa? What do you lot think about it?
>
>Regards...
>                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach
>
>
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>



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 17 00:21:08 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:21:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca>

Here is a comparision between MS .Net and Java for mobile wireless 
devices from Intel
http://cedar.intel.com/cgi-bin/ids.dll/content/content.jsp?cntKey=Generic%20Editorial::ss_write&cntType=IDS_EDITORIAL

MartyConnelly wrote:

> They are supposed to work well in conjunction with DotNet. There are 
> half a dozen videos on Microsoft site explaining this. Win CE .Net is 
> probably easier to use than CE 3.0
> With .net you can port to different mobile devices as there is a 
> uniform screen emulator.
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/seminar/mmcfeed/mmcdisplayfeed.asp?Lang=en&Product=103355&Audience=100402&frame=true 
>
>
> Steven W. Erbach wrote:
>
>> Dear Group,
>>
>> Has anyone here used or know of someone who has used SQL Server CE 
>> 2.0 to
>> develop applications for Windows Mobile devices? I've got a client 
>> who has a
>> bug up his rear about using hand-held devices to pick products from
>> inventory for shipping. He isn't using any Windows-based software now 
>> for
>> his manufacturing, inventory and order fulfillment...but he appears 
>> to be
>> open to the use of hand-held PCs for this purpose...maybe even wireless.
>>
>> I've been looking through the Microsoft pages on Windows Mobile. I 
>> notice
>> that Access doesn't appear to be an option on a hand-held. Then I saw 
>> SQL
>> Server CE and I went, whaaaa? What do you lot think about it?
>>
>> Regards...
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>>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 17 06:22:37 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:22:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
	<3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>

Marty,

I really appreciate your response on this. I want to be sure that I make my
goal clear, though. The ideal situation would be to use one of these Windows
enabled hand-helds with Microsoft Access. When I perused the Windows Mobile
web site I saw references to Mobile Word and Mobile Excel...but nothing
about Mobile Access. It seems that it doesn't exist or isn't implemented. Am
I correct in deducing that?

If it's indeed the case that Access isn't available on these CE / Mobile
devices, then I'm a bit up the creek since I don't think my client wants to
pay me to learn .Net or Java. That's why I mentioned a DOS emulator and
Paradox for DOS or dBASE.

I looked at the features of Mobile Windows for hand-helds and I saw quite a
bit on e-mail and a tiny IE and games and phone books...but not much (at
least on the Microsoft site) on real-live business applications like
shipping and receiving.

I suppose that this isn't a strictly SQL topic, but that reference to SQL
Server CE kinda threw me. If one is going to use SQL Server CE then one must
have a SQL Server CE box. Then one can replicate data back and forth from
handhelds, right?

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 15:32:08 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:32:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F90mu5WSpYDirh0000fdba@hotmail.com>

Just wondering, what permission/role governs whether or not a user can stop 
the SQL Server service?

Thanks in advance,
Billy

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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Wed Sep 17 15:54:36 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:54:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE5CC@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

Server administrator and system administrator roles.

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Pang
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:32 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?


Just wondering, what permission/role governs whether or not a user can
stop 
the SQL Server service?

Thanks in advance,
Billy

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 16:37:26 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:37:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F12HK4p48gyx0m00017326@hotmail.com>

That is what I thought.  Maybe something is not right.

For some reason, via EM, the sa user cannot stop the SQL Server service from 
a remote machine (I get an access denied message).

Also, a user that does not belong to server or system admin fixed role can 
stop the SQL Service service via EM if on the same machine.

Any ideas?

Thanks
Billy


>From: "Djabarov, Robert" <Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:54:36 -0500
>
>Server administrator and system administrator roles.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:32 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>
>
>Just wondering, what permission/role governs whether or not a user can
>stop
>the SQL Server service?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Billy
>
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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Wed Sep 17 16:51:01 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:51:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE5F4@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

Do you have Builtin Administrators assigned sysadmin?  Are there any
other groups that belong to sysadmin or server admin groups?  SA will
fail to do anything if authentication is windows only.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
Pang
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:37 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?


That is what I thought.  Maybe something is not right.

For some reason, via EM, the sa user cannot stop the SQL Server service
from 
a remote machine (I get an access denied message).

Also, a user that does not belong to server or system admin fixed role
can 
stop the SQL Service service via EM if on the same machine.

Any ideas?

Thanks
Billy


>From: "Djabarov, Robert" <Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:54:36 -0500
>
>Server administrator and system administrator roles.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy 
>Pang
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:32 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>
>
>Just wondering, what permission/role governs whether or not a user can 
>stop the SQL Server service?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Billy
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep 17 17:10:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:10:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
 <3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca> <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <3F68DBD4.5060807@shaw.ca>

It is easy to get at a database with forms if you have a wireless modem, 
if you don't, you would have to use something like AppForge's VB forms 
with a PDB database which is essentially simple tables.
http://www.appforge.com

No way to install Access on the PDA, but with a wireless modem all sorts 
of options open up via the net. There is no Mobile Access probably due 
to RAM restrictions. I haven't messed about with SQL server CE.
.
Or you if you need a small footprint database and ODBC depending on your 
PDA ram try
CodeBase for Windows CE with VB
http://www.sequiter.com/products/windows_ce/
 I have used CodeBase years ago with C and DOS.


Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I really appreciate your response on this. I want to be sure that I make my
>goal clear, though. The ideal situation would be to use one of these Windows
>enabled hand-helds with Microsoft Access. When I perused the Windows Mobile
>web site I saw references to Mobile Word and Mobile Excel...but nothing
>about Mobile Access. It seems that it doesn't exist or isn't implemented. Am
>I correct in deducing that?
>
>If it's indeed the case that Access isn't available on these CE / Mobile
>devices, then I'm a bit up the creek since I don't think my client wants to
>pay me to learn .Net or Java. That's why I mentioned a DOS emulator and
>Paradox for DOS or dBASE.
>
>I looked at the features of Mobile Windows for hand-helds and I saw quite a
>bit on e-mail and a tiny IE and games and phone books...but not much (at
>least on the Microsoft site) on real-live business applications like
>shipping and receiving.
>
>I suppose that this isn't a strictly SQL topic, but that reference to SQL
>Server CE kinda threw me. If one is going to use SQL Server CE then one must
>have a SQL Server CE box. Then one can replicate data back and forth from
>handhelds, right?
>
>Regards...
>                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 18:23:40 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:23:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F95FwzyHRUMytZ00013da7@hotmail.com>

SS2K is using mixed security.
I am positive the user does not belong to any of the server admin groups 
directly or indirectly.


>From: "Djabarov, Robert" <Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:51:01 -0500
>
>Do you have Builtin Administrators assigned sysadmin?  Are there any
>other groups that belong to sysadmin or server admin groups?  SA will
>fail to do anything if authentication is windows only.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:37 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
>
>
>That is what I thought.  Maybe something is not right.
>
>For some reason, via EM, the sa user cannot stop the SQL Server service
>from
>a remote machine (I get an access denied message).
>
>Also, a user that does not belong to server or system admin fixed role
>can
>stop the SQL Service service via EM if on the same machine.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks
>Billy
>
>
> >From: "Djabarov, Robert" <Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
> >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:54:36 -0500
> >
> >Server administrator and system administrator roles.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
> >Pang
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:32 PM
> >To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Who can Stop SQL Server?
> >
> >
> >Just wondering, what permission/role governs whether or not a user can
> >stop the SQL Server service?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Billy
> >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Sep 18 06:41:19 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:41:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
	<3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca> <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>
	<3F68DBD4.5060807@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <005e01c37dda$0c56bf20$5d0ed018@W2k>

Marty,

Two very interesting links. Again, I'm pretty sure that my client doesn't
want to pay me to learn a brand new programming environment. I guess I'm
trying to bring him down to earth. He's one of those "attention-deficit
entrepreneurs" (thanks to a current client for coming up with that one) that
get these fixed ideas in their heads about how things work or could work. It
doesn't help that he's done quite a bit of (sloppy) Paradox for DOS
programming.

I can well believe that Access wouldn't run on a Windows Mobile hand-held.
But, heck! If I can store 256 MB of data in a USB wrist-watch (
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/5eec/ ) you'd think that Access
could fit on a hand-held PC, eh?

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 18 12:57:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:57:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
 <3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca> <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>
 <3F68DBD4.5060807@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3F69F208.6060201@shaw.ca>

When MS first set the software up for PDA's, a big PDA might have 4Meg 
and run at $1500. Could be why they passed on Access too.
You have to first figure out if he is going to have PDA's with wireless 
communications.
With Mobile access to PDA's through dotNet you could also send the data 
and forms to things like Blackberrys or Nokia phones. I did something 
similar using a WAP server to send Access mdb data to a Blackberry. I 
used a free WAP server at www.tagtag.com that ran ASP code to get the 
data from a remote ASP site that queried the mdb file and then generated 
the WML to the blackberry but dot net might more advanced. You have 
problems with 23 line screens etc.
 you might want to haunt the http://www.gotdotnet.com mobile forums for 
more uptodate advice.

MartyConnelly wrote:

> It is easy to get at a database with forms if you have a wireless 
> modem, if you don't, you would have to use something like AppForge's 
> VB forms with a PDB database which is essentially simple tables.
> http://www.appforge.com
>
> No way to install Access on the PDA, but with a wireless modem all 
> sorts of options open up via the net. There is no Mobile Access 
> probably due to RAM restrictions. I haven't messed about with SQL 
> server CE.
> .
> Or you if you need a small footprint database and ODBC depending on 
> your PDA ram try
> CodeBase for Windows CE with VB
> http://www.sequiter.com/products/windows_ce/
> I have used CodeBase years ago with C and DOS.
>
>
> Steven W. Erbach wrote:
>
>> Marty,
>>
>> I really appreciate your response on this. I want to be sure that I 
>> make my
>> goal clear, though. The ideal situation would be to use one of these 
>> Windows
>> enabled hand-helds with Microsoft Access. When I perused the Windows 
>> Mobile
>> web site I saw references to Mobile Word and Mobile Excel...but nothing
>> about Mobile Access. It seems that it doesn't exist or isn't 
>> implemented. Am
>> I correct in deducing that?
>>
>> If it's indeed the case that Access isn't available on these CE / Mobile
>> devices, then I'm a bit up the creek since I don't think my client 
>> wants to
>> pay me to learn .Net or Java. That's why I mentioned a DOS emulator and
>> Paradox for DOS or dBASE.
>>
>> I looked at the features of Mobile Windows for hand-helds and I saw 
>> quite a
>> bit on e-mail and a tiny IE and games and phone books...but not much (at
>> least on the Microsoft site) on real-live business applications like
>> shipping and receiving.
>>
>> I suppose that this isn't a strictly SQL topic, but that reference to 
>> SQL
>> Server CE kinda threw me. If one is going to use SQL Server CE then 
>> one must
>> have a SQL Server CE box. Then one can replicate data back and forth 
>> from
>> handhelds, right?
>>
>> Regards...
>>                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach
>>
>>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 19 19:37:13 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:37:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
	<3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca> <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>
	<3F68DBD4.5060807@shaw.ca> <3F69F208.6060201@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <012501c37f0f$66995e30$5d0ed018@W2k>

Marty,

>> 23 line screens <<

Well, that's what we had with dBASE and Paradox for DOS applications...

Thanks for the links and the advice on .NET. I have a feeling that my client
won't want to go for all that hardware and software upgrading. He's still
running Novell NetWare 4.11 and Paradox for DOS.

Regards...
                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 19 23:25:48 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:25:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server CE 2.0
References: <002a01c37c9c$d5af6550$5d0ed018@W2k> <3F67B8B9.5000906@shaw.ca>
 <3F67EF44.1010301@shaw.ca> <001e01c37d0f$03d52e70$5d0ed018@W2k>
 <3F68DBD4.5060807@shaw.ca> <3F69F208.6060201@shaw.ca>
 <012501c37f0f$66995e30$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <3F6BD6CC.2020902@shaw.ca>

There is a recent article in Visual Studio Mag, september or october 
issue on how to setup Win CE SQL Server. Just had a quick glance at the 
article.today while shopping. There is also a rudimentary way of doing 
this with PC Anywhere and mobiles but I haven't looked at it.

Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>Marty,
>
>  
>
>>>23 line screens <<
>>>      
>>>
>
>Well, that's what we had with dBASE and Paradox for DOS applications...
>
>Thanks for the links and the advice on .NET. I have a feeling that my client
>won't want to go for all that hardware and software upgrading. He's still
>running Novell NetWare 4.11 and Paradox for DOS.
>
>Regards...
>                 `?.??.???`?.??.???`?->  Steve Erbach
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Sep 22 08:38:41 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:38:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Size Does Matter
In-Reply-To: <012501c37f0f$66995e30$5d0ed018@W2k>
Message-ID: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABMEEEDBAA.artful@rogers.com>

I've been reading on various other SQL lists about some really large
databases. One guy has 400 GB; another has 20 TB (yes, TB). The largest
database I've ever worked with is a mere 1 GB. I'm starting to feel
db-challenged :-)

How about other list members (oops, in the context perhaps a bad choice of
words)? How large are your databases?

Arthur
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 09:59:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:59:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMMFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?

I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In the
process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed Windows from
scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the first time.  Tried
to re-install - said it already existed (no program groups though).  Tried
to uninstall, failed with an error message.

Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the data
goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had a red
square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something similar.

Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
Dicked around even MORE.

Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try to
do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.

This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From fhtapia at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:36:03 2003
From: fhtapia at hotmail.com (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:36:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Size Does Matter
In-Reply-To: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABMEEEDBAA.artful@rogers.com>
References: <HMEMJOMMIJPPGDIHAFABMEEEDBAA.artful@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F16E3.1010301@hotmail.com>

Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I've been reading on various other SQL lists about some really large
> databases. One guy has 400 GB; another has 20 TB (yes, TB). The largest
> database I've ever worked with is a mere 1 GB. I'm starting to feel
> db-challenged :-)
> 
> How about other list members (oops, in the context perhaps a bad choice of
> words)? How large are your databases?
> 

Arthur, it's not the size of your db but how you use it, ;o).  But in 
honesty that is pretty true.  your larger TB databases if not managed 
well will be terrible resource and production systems...



-- 
-Francisco
Faster than a three legged squirrel


From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 10:32:40 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:32:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMMFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-7297512@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>

Does the SQl Server desktop engine exactly duplicate the 
functionality of full-blown SQL Server? I want to develop 
apps for SQL Server backends, but will not have SQL Server 
available during development. I need to be able to design 
databases and write code, then be able to re-create or 
migrate the databases to SQL Server and point my apps at 
the actual database for production. Is this a feasible 
approach, or do I need to find a way to get the full-blown 
SQL Server package to work with?

Thanks for any advice/pointers/information.

Ron Allen

From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Mon Sep 22 10:36:03 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:36:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE8FB@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

90% of what you do using MSDE will work on any edition of sql server.
In fact, if you have multiple instances of MSDE all 100% will work
(except for clustering capabilities).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Allen
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:33 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


Does the SQl Server desktop engine exactly duplicate the 
functionality of full-blown SQL Server? I want to develop 
apps for SQL Server backends, but will not have SQL Server 
available during development. I need to be able to design 
databases and write code, then be able to re-create or 
migrate the databases to SQL Server and point my apps at 
the actual database for production. Is this a feasible 
approach, or do I need to find a way to get the full-blown 
SQL Server package to work with?

Thanks for any advice/pointers/information.

Ron Allen
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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Mon Sep 22 10:39:29 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:39:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE8FC@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

You probably need to "dick around" a little more.  First make sure that
all the necessary system databases made its way to your box.  Second,
make sure that the service startup switches point to the locations where
those system database files actually reside.  What's the edition you're
trying to install?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?

I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed
Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the
first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.

Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the data
goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had a
red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
similar.

Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
Dicked around even MORE.

Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try
to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.

This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Mon Sep 22 10:46:56 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:46:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Size Does Matter
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE900@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

Very rarely a databases starts up with enormous size, it's historical
data that normally make the database grow.  Sometimes the required
retention period and instant data availability prevent any archiving or
grooming process from reducing the size.  Also, we're approaching the
time when businesses require the ability to store more and more granular
data.  Insome cases the nature of data requires A LOT of storage
(terra-server, nasdaq).  Size does matter but should not be viewed as
the most impressive factor.  What's more impressive is the industry and
system capabilities.  

...and "terrible resource and production systems" also come in different
sizes :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Francisco H Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:36 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Size Does Matter


Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I've been reading on various other SQL lists about some really large 
> databases. One guy has 400 GB; another has 20 TB (yes, TB). The 
> largest database I've ever worked with is a mere 1 GB. I'm starting to

> feel db-challenged :-)
> 
> How about other list members (oops, in the context perhaps a bad 
> choice of words)? How large are your databases?
> 

Arthur, it's not the size of your db but how you use it, ;o).  But in 
honesty that is pretty true.  your larger TB databases if not managed 
well will be terrible resource and production systems...



-- 
-Francisco
Faster than a three legged squirrel

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From fhtapia at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:51:19 2003
From: fhtapia at hotmail.com (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:51:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <web-7297512@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <web-7297512@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <3F6F1A77.3050908@hotmail.com>

Ron Allen wrote:

> Does the SQl Server desktop engine exactly duplicate the functionality 
> of full-blown SQL Server? I want to develop apps for SQL Server 
> backends, but will not have SQL Server available during development. I 
> need to be able to design databases and write code, then be able to 
> re-create or migrate the databases to SQL Server and point my apps at 
> the actual database for production. Is this a feasible approach, or do I 
> need to find a way to get the full-blown SQL Server package to work with?
> 
> Thanks for any advice/pointers/information.

The Development version should meet all your needs.  I haven't had any 
problems.

-- 
-Francisco
Leela: "Great. We're two days from earth with no food." 
Bender: "Problem solved. You two fight to the death and I'll cook the 
loser."


From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 11:01:29 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:01:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMMFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMMFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F1CD9.1000006@verizon.net>

John Colby wrote:

<snip>
> Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
> Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try to
> do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
> 
> This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

When you re-installed Windows, which version was it (2k or XP) and up to 
what SP?

-- 
-Francisco
Due to economic restraints light at end of tunnel will be turned off 
until further notice.


From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 11:04:39 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:04:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE8FB@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>
Message-ID: <web-4807882@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Thank you Robert, that simplifies things for me (and makes 
this project a lot cheaper for me to take on).

Ron

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:36:03 -0500
  "Djabarov, Robert" <Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com> wrote:
>90% of what you do using MSDE will work on any edition of 
>sql server.
>In fact, if you have multiple instances of MSDE all 100% 
>will work
>(except for clustering capabilities).

From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 11:05:52 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:05:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <3F6F1A77.3050908@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <web-4808021@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Thanks Francisco, maybe my problem is solved then.

Ron

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:51:19 -0700
  Francisco H Tapia <fhtapia at hotmail.com> wrote:
>The Development version should meet all your needs.  I 
>haven't had any problems.

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 11:16:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:16:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE8FB@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENBFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought that MSDE had two very important restrictions - max db size of 4gb
and concurrent user throttling after 5 "users"?  Or is this a different
animal we are talking about.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Djabarov, Robert
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:36 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


90% of what you do using MSDE will work on any edition of sql server.
In fact, if you have multiple instances of MSDE all 100% will work
(except for clustering capabilities).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Allen
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:33 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


Does the SQl Server desktop engine exactly duplicate the
functionality of full-blown SQL Server? I want to develop
apps for SQL Server backends, but will not have SQL Server
available during development. I need to be able to design
databases and write code, then be able to re-create or
migrate the databases to SQL Server and point my apps at
the actual database for production. Is this a feasible
approach, or do I need to find a way to get the full-blown
SQL Server package to work with?

Thanks for any advice/pointers/information.

Ron Allen
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 11:17:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:17:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <3F6F1CD9.1000006@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

2k Pro (Desktop) SP4.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Francisco H Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:01 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


John Colby wrote:

<snip>
> Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
> Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try to
> do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>
> This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

When you re-installed Windows, which version was it (2k or XP) and up to
what SP?

--
-Francisco
Due to economic restraints light at end of tunnel will be turned off
until further notice.

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From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 11:21:58 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENBFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-4810371@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi John,

In my case, even with those restrictions it will be fine 
as long as I can easily get everything setup on SQL Server 
when the time comes. For development I'll just have test 
data, and while I'll probably have a good amount to check 
performance issues I can't see it going over 4gig. For 
dev, I'll be the only user, so that isn't an issue either.

But those are important considerations to keep in mind. 
Thanks.

Ron


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:16:51 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>I thought that MSDE had two very important restrictions - 
>max db size of 4gb
>and concurrent user throttling after 5 "users"?  Or is 
>this a different
>animal we are talking about.

From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Mon Sep 22 11:25:14 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:25:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEE917@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

That's correct, but he is a developer, and I'd think it would be a
problem in design if a db has to be over 4GB to be delivered to the
client (unless A LOT of data needs to be loaded, in which case that last
piece can be done on the client's site).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:17 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


I thought that MSDE had two very important restrictions - max db size of
4gb and concurrent user throttling after 5 "users"?  Or is this a
different animal we are talking about.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Djabarov, Robert
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:36 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


90% of what you do using MSDE will work on any edition of sql server. In
fact, if you have multiple instances of MSDE all 100% will work (except
for clustering capabilities).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Allen
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:33 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


Does the SQl Server desktop engine exactly duplicate the functionality
of full-blown SQL Server? I want to develop apps for SQL Server
backends, but will not have SQL Server available during development. I
need to be able to design databases and write code, then be able to
re-create or migrate the databases to SQL Server and point my apps at
the actual database for production. Is this a feasible approach, or do I
need to find a way to get the full-blown SQL Server package to work
with?

Thanks for any advice/pointers/information.

Ron Allen
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 11:30:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:30:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation
In-Reply-To: <web-4810371@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how MSDE gets installed?  What it is a part of?

I want to use MSDE as the database engine for .net development for some
lightweight demo apps and games.  I haven't a clue where it comes from
(other than the Access disks).  Is it just there for .net?  If not is it
available for a download (for free?)?  If so, how do I get it installed on a
remote computer?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Allen
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:22 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


Hi John,

In my case, even with those restrictions it will be fine
as long as I can easily get everything setup on SQL Server
when the time comes. For development I'll just have test
data, and while I'll probably have a good amount to check
performance issues I can't see it going over 4gig. For
dev, I'll be the only user, so that isn't an issue either.

But those are important considerations to keep in mind.
Thanks.

Ron


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:16:51 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>I thought that MSDE had two very important restrictions -
>max db size of 4gb
>and concurrent user throttling after 5 "users"?  Or is
>this a different
>animal we are talking about.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 11:33:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:33:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <web-4810371@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

BTW Ron, I read something the other day that MS has released a "Developers
version" of SQL Server (full package) for something like $49.  This in order
to get SQL Server into the hands of the developers.  It's the typical
developer license - cannot be used (installed) for production systems etc.
But great for us poor developers who want the real thing.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Allen
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:22 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?


Hi John,

In my case, even with those restrictions it will be fine
as long as I can easily get everything setup on SQL Server
when the time comes. For development I'll just have test
data, and while I'll probably have a good amount to check
performance issues I can't see it going over 4gig. For
dev, I'll be the only user, so that isn't an issue either.

But those are important considerations to keep in mind.
Thanks.

Ron


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:16:51 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>I thought that MSDE had two very important restrictions -
>max db size of 4gb
>and concurrent user throttling after 5 "users"?  Or is
>this a different
>animal we are talking about.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 22 11:40:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:40:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312300@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL modem.
I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the databases
and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to reinstall and gave
up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina to try and reinstall
them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  Apparently the PPoE
required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server and I got some of the
same symptoms, including the botched installs and reinstalls, etc.
Could you be running into something like that?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?

I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed
Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the
first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.

Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the data
goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had a
red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
similar.

Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
Dicked around even MORE.

Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try
to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.

This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 11:48:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:48:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312300@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENEFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't know.  I am using TWO routers in fact.  I had a 4 port router with
WAN connection, but needed another port so I bought a wireless router with
for laptop WAN and plugged it into the first router.  I was using SQL Server
after adding that (I think anyway) however this is the first install I have
tried after that.  I can simply unplug that new wireless router to see if
that helps - after uninstalling SQL Server of course.

I'll give that a try and see what happens.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:40 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


John,

My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL modem.
I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the databases
and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to reinstall and gave
up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina to try and reinstall
them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  Apparently the PPoE
required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server and I got some of the
same symptoms, including the botched installs and reinstalls, etc.
Could you be running into something like that?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?

I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed
Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the
first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.

Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the data
goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had a
red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
similar.

Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
Dicked around even MORE.

Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try
to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.

This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 11:55:59 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:55:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F299F.50002@verizon.net>

John Colby wrote:

> 2k Pro (Desktop) SP4.
> 

MR WindowsUpdate ;o), you should roll back SP4 and try the install of 
SQL again... there are KNOWN problems w/ SP4 and SQL Server spcifically 
in connectivity... in fact SP4 really only ought to be installed when 
running IIS on that same server, in any case only after a SQL install 
has been made anyways...



-- 
-Francisco
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!


From chizotz at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 11:54:37 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:54:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server Dev Without SQL Server?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <web-12174040@rems06.cluster1.charter.net>

Yeow, yes, I'll try to find that for sure! Thanks John.


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:33:14 -0400
  "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>BTW Ron, I read something the other day that MS has 
>released a "Developers
>version" of SQL Server (full package) for something like 
>$49.  This in order
>to get SQL Server into the hands of the developers.  It's 
>the typical
>developer license - cannot be used (installed) for 
>production systems etc.
>But great for us poor developers who want the real thing.

From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 12:07:35 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:07:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312300@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312300@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F6F2C57.6020509@verizon.net>


I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it connects 
directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
running?



Charlotte Foust wrote:

> John,
> 
> My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL modem.
> I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the databases
> and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to reinstall and gave
> up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina to try and reinstall
> them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  Apparently the PPoE
> required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server and I got some of the
> same symptoms, including the botched installs and reinstalls, etc.
> Could you be running into something like that?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
> To: SQLServer
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
> 
> I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
> the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed
> Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the
> first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
> groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
> 
> Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the data
> goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had a
> red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
> similar.
> 
> Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
> Dicked around even MORE.
> 
> Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO Databases.
> Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of course if I try
> to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
> 
> This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
> 

-- 
-Francisco
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask 
and he'll tell you the truth.


From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 12:10:33 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:10:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F2D09.90607@verizon.net>

John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know how MSDE gets installed?  What it is a part of?
> 
> I want to use MSDE as the database engine for .net development for some
> lightweight demo apps and games.  I haven't a clue where it comes from
> (other than the Access disks).  Is it just there for .net?  If not is it
> available for a download (for free?)?  If so, how do I get it installed on a
> remote computer?

MSDE 2.0 (aka Sql Server Desktop) is available for a free download from 
MS site, IIRC the license to re-distribute is granted w/ Visual 
Studio.net and you get redistribution rights of MSDE 1.0 with Office 
2000 developer.

-- 
-Francisco
This page was generated by a Team of Circus Squirrels


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 12:17:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:17:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <3F6F299F.50002@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmmmm...

I will be running IIS, just haven't gotten around to re-installing it.

AFAIK I can't "roll it back" though.

I can just do a reinstall of Windows.  This is a clean install from last
weekend, nothing else but SQL Server installed yet.  I install the latest SP
just to avoid all the bajillions of files the Windows update wants to
install if you don't apply the service packs.  So is SP5 on the way to fix
the SP4 issues?  ;-)

<rant mode on>

>MR WindowsUpdate ;o)

I have never made any claim that SPs don't cause new problems, only that it
isn't generally worth my time to spend the weeks required to understand the
issues re what the fixes are, what gets broken, what gets fixed, whether the
fixed outweighs the broken etc.  My job is to write databases, not spend my
life researching SPs.

It seems ludicrous to me that a company the size of Microsoft would spend
their time fixing bugs, tell me that I should install the SPs so that
whatever bugs they have found and fixed are taken care of, then I either
refuse (and don't get the bugs fixed) or spend my life researching whether
or not to trust them.  Of course they screw up, so do I (VERY occasionally).
But I can't spend my time being paranoid that they have screwed something up
in fixing their original bugs or spend my life being paranoid that because I
haven't applied the bug fixes something nasty is going to happen.  With all
the nasty viruses floating around, it seems that applying service packs just
makes sense.  And I haven't seen ANY dire warnings not to apply any given
Win2K SP in all of the MANY EZines that I scan over the average week!

I really don't much care whether you apply the SPs, but having been in this
business as long as I have, I certainly expect MY customers to apply MY
service packs!  And if they refuse... it's on their heads.  Your head is
your business.  I'm applying the damned service packs!

And I truly get annoyed when it's implied that I'm being silly (or stupid)
in doing so.

<rant mode off>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Francisco H Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:56 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


John Colby wrote:

> 2k Pro (Desktop) SP4.
>

MR WindowsUpdate ;o), you should roll back SP4 and try the install of
SQL again... there are KNOWN problems w/ SP4 and SQL Server spcifically
in connectivity... in fact SP4 really only ought to be installed when
running IIS on that same server, in any case only after a SQL install
has been made anyways...



--
-Francisco
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 12:50:03 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:50:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F364B.4000504@verizon.net>

John Colby wrote:

> Hmmmm...
> 
> I will be running IIS, just haven't gotten around to re-installing it.

Seems like a perfectly good reason to install SP4, but only after going 
through Sql Server install, and I'd even look at installing IIS before 
the SP


> 
> AFAIK I can't "roll it back" though.

When you Install SP4 you are asked if you would like to backup the 
critical files so you can roll back the installation.  You simply visit 
Add/Remove programs and run the Roll back from there.


> I can just do a reinstall of Windows.  This is a clean install from last
> weekend, nothing else but SQL Server installed yet.  I install the latest SP
> just to avoid all the bajillions of files the Windows update wants to
> install if you don't apply the service packs.  So is SP5 on the way to fix
> the SP4 issues?  ;-)

Not an SP5 per se, but I've heard rumors that an SP4a or 4b will be 
making rounds to fix the Sql Server connectivity problems, (AFAIK).

> <rant mode on>
> 
>>MR WindowsUpdate ;o)
> 
> 
> I have never made any claim that SPs don't cause new problems, only that it
> isn't generally worth my time to spend the weeks required to understand the
> issues re what the fixes are, what gets broken, what gets fixed, whether the
> fixed outweighs the broken etc.  My job is to write databases, not spend my
> life researching SPs.

I never implied otherwise... I don't like to spend time researching SP's 
and whether they or any other critical update file is going to fix or 
break my pc.  I like a stable OS... which is why I run Win2k Pro on SP2

> It seems ludicrous to me that a company the size of Microsoft would spend
> their time fixing bugs, tell me that I should install the SPs so that
> whatever bugs they have found and fixed are taken care of, then I either
> refuse (and don't get the bugs fixed) or spend my life researching whether
> or not to trust them.  Of course they screw up, so do I (VERY occasionally).

oh c'mon John ;o)


> But I can't spend my time being paranoid that they have screwed something up
> in fixing their original bugs or spend my life being paranoid that because I
> haven't applied the bug fixes something nasty is going to happen.  With all
> the nasty viruses floating around, it seems that applying service packs just
> makes sense.  And I haven't seen ANY dire warnings not to apply any given
> Win2K SP in all of the MANY EZines that I scan over the average week!


sure there has.. win2kNews.com
http://www.w2knews.com/index.cfm?id=434&search=sp4



> I really don't much care whether you apply the SPs, but having been in this
> business as long as I have, I certainly expect MY customers to apply MY
> service packs!  And if they refuse... it's on their heads.  Your head is
> your business.  I'm applying the damned service packs!
> 
> And I truly get annoyed when it's implied that I'm being silly (or stupid)
> in doing so.

Not implying your are silly or stupid in doing so, I did question your 
loyalty before, for trusting Windows Updates so dearly.  And you are 
talking about 2 diffrent types of updates... first, your sp to YOUR 
customer is much more customized and YOU will respond much quicker than 
a large organization like MS.  Please bear in mind I dont' HATE 
microsoft, I just beleive that they have reached a point where they are 
soooo big that your request is lost in the midst of MILLIONS of emails. 
      Ceratain errors that you see and someone else does not, is not 
easly addreasable by the company because there are either more pressing 
problems or they are willing to accept that x% of the pie is having 
problems and that's just the way it's gonna go.  MS's OSes support about 
the widest range of hardware than any other OS out there (I realize 
linux supports most hardware too but if that hardware hasn't been 
written for it'll probably be hard to find).

So SHOULD you blindly install an SP given to you by MS w/o TESTING it 
first?  NOOOOOOooo, test it on another system, or join a newsgroup and 
find out if they are having any issues w/ that SP... if so then you'll 
know before you install, should you do this? YES, because SP's DO cause 
problems.  Some are more worth it than others is all.

> <rant mode off>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Francisco H Tapia
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> John Colby wrote:
> 
> 
>>2k Pro (Desktop) SP4.
>>
> 
> 
> MR WindowsUpdate ;o), you should roll back SP4 and try the install of
> SQL again... there are KNOWN problems w/ SP4 and SQL Server spcifically
> in connectivity... in fact SP4 really only ought to be installed when
> running IIS on that same server, in any case only after a SQL install
> has been made anyways...



-- 
-Francisco
  IE <----- Is that even a browser?


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 13:14:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:14:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <3F6F364B.4000504@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENLFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>http://www.w2knews.com/index.cfm?id=434&search=sp4

OK, so I've signed up for ANOTHER ezine.  But the ones I already take
weren't blaring any headlines.  And to quote YOUR ezine:

***

W2K SP4 Anecdotal "Unfixes"

"Second, do not see this as an attempt to knock SP4 and tell you to not
deploy it. This SP has hundreds of important security fixes, so it is
important. The main thing I am emphasizing is that you need to TEST, TEST,
and TEST in a non-production environment FIRST."

***

So there you have it.  HUNDREDS of important security fixes which you are
not installing.

And no, I don't have the time to TEST, TEST, TEST.  The man is talking to
professional system admins, not the lonely developer sitting at his home
office trying to get some work done.  And any relevant problems aren't
likely to just jump out and grab me by the throat in any case.

So you are sitting at SP2, refusing to install the HUNDREDS of important
security fixes that SP3 provided, never mind SP4.

Again, I don't care whether you do, just knock it off with the "Mr. Windows
update" crap.  I respect you opinions very highly, but that stuff annoys the
hell out of me.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Francisco H Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:50 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


John Colby wrote:

> Hmmmm...
>
> I will be running IIS, just haven't gotten around to re-installing it.

Seems like a perfectly good reason to install SP4, but only after going
through Sql Server install, and I'd even look at installing IIS before
the SP


>
> AFAIK I can't "roll it back" though.

When you Install SP4 you are asked if you would like to backup the
critical files so you can roll back the installation.  You simply visit
Add/Remove programs and run the Roll back from there.


> I can just do a reinstall of Windows.  This is a clean install from last
> weekend, nothing else but SQL Server installed yet.  I install the latest
SP
> just to avoid all the bajillions of files the Windows update wants to
> install if you don't apply the service packs.  So is SP5 on the way to fix
> the SP4 issues?  ;-)

Not an SP5 per se, but I've heard rumors that an SP4a or 4b will be
making rounds to fix the Sql Server connectivity problems, (AFAIK).

> <rant mode on>
>
>>MR WindowsUpdate ;o)
>
>
> I have never made any claim that SPs don't cause new problems, only that
it
> isn't generally worth my time to spend the weeks required to understand
the
> issues re what the fixes are, what gets broken, what gets fixed, whether
the
> fixed outweighs the broken etc.  My job is to write databases, not spend
my
> life researching SPs.

I never implied otherwise... I don't like to spend time researching SP's
and whether they or any other critical update file is going to fix or
break my pc.  I like a stable OS... which is why I run Win2k Pro on SP2

> It seems ludicrous to me that a company the size of Microsoft would spend
> their time fixing bugs, tell me that I should install the SPs so that
> whatever bugs they have found and fixed are taken care of, then I either
> refuse (and don't get the bugs fixed) or spend my life researching whether
> or not to trust them.  Of course they screw up, so do I (VERY
occasionally).

oh c'mon John ;o)


> But I can't spend my time being paranoid that they have screwed something
up
> in fixing their original bugs or spend my life being paranoid that because
I
> haven't applied the bug fixes something nasty is going to happen.  With
all
> the nasty viruses floating around, it seems that applying service packs
just
> makes sense.  And I haven't seen ANY dire warnings not to apply any given
> Win2K SP in all of the MANY EZines that I scan over the average week!


sure there has.. win2kNews.com
http://www.w2knews.com/index.cfm?id=434&search=sp4



> I really don't much care whether you apply the SPs, but having been in
this
> business as long as I have, I certainly expect MY customers to apply MY
> service packs!  And if they refuse... it's on their heads.  Your head is
> your business.  I'm applying the damned service packs!
>
> And I truly get annoyed when it's implied that I'm being silly (or stupid)
> in doing so.

Not implying your are silly or stupid in doing so, I did question your
loyalty before, for trusting Windows Updates so dearly.  And you are
talking about 2 diffrent types of updates... first, your sp to YOUR
customer is much more customized and YOU will respond much quicker than
a large organization like MS.  Please bear in mind I dont' HATE
microsoft, I just beleive that they have reached a point where they are
soooo big that your request is lost in the midst of MILLIONS of emails.
      Ceratain errors that you see and someone else does not, is not
easly addreasable by the company because there are either more pressing
problems or they are willing to accept that x% of the pie is having
problems and that's just the way it's gonna go.  MS's OSes support about
the widest range of hardware than any other OS out there (I realize
linux supports most hardware too but if that hardware hasn't been
written for it'll probably be hard to find).

So SHOULD you blindly install an SP given to you by MS w/o TESTING it
first?  NOOOOOOooo, test it on another system, or join a newsgroup and
find out if they are having any issues w/ that SP... if so then you'll
know before you install, should you do this? YES, because SP's DO cause
problems.  Some are more worth it than others is all.

> <rant mode off>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Francisco H Tapia




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Sep 22 14:14:40 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:14:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<3F6F2D09.90607@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001101c3813d$c6b31880$d00c6351@martin1>

Also on the office 2000 and Office 2K CDs. You have toi run the setup file
yourself and remember to patch it.

I have DSL as well and no problems installing SQL Server


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation


> John Colby wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know how MSDE gets installed?  What it is a part of?
> >
> > I want to use MSDE as the database engine for .net development for some
> > lightweight demo apps and games.  I haven't a clue where it comes from
> > (other than the Access disks).  Is it just there for .net?  If not is it
> > available for a download (for free?)?  If so, how do I get it installed
on a
> > remote computer?
>
> MSDE 2.0 (aka Sql Server Desktop) is available for a free download from
> MS site, IIRC the license to re-distribute is granted w/ Visual
> Studio.net and you get redistribution rights of MSDE 1.0 with Office
> 2000 developer.
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
> This page was generated by a Team of Circus Squirrels
>
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>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 22 15:01:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:01:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312303@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and
could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to
the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried
reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?



I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it connects 
directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
running?



Charlotte Foust wrote:

> John,
> 
> My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL 
> modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
> databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
> reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
> to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  
> Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server 
> and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
> and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
> To: SQLServer
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
> 
> I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In 
> the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
> Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the 
> first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program

> groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
> 
> Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the 
> data
> goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had
a
> red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
> similar.
> 
> Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more. 
> Dicked around even MORE.
> 
> Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO 
> Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
> course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
> 
> This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
> 

-- 
-Francisco
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask 
and he'll tell you the truth.

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 15:24:33 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:24:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312303@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312303@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F6F5A81.9010406@verizon.net>

hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing 
this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...


Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and
> could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to
> the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried
> reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> 
> I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it connects 
> directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
> running?
> 
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>John,
>>
>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL 
>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  
>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server 
>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>To: SQLServer
>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>
>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In 
>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the 
>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
> 
> 
>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>
>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the 
>>data
>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had
> 
> a
> 
>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
>>similar.
>>
>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more. 
>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>
>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO 
>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>
>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco
Firebird the browser that blows the competition away. Can you feel the 
fire?


From fhtapia at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 15:41:04 2003
From: fhtapia at hotmail.com (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:41:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENLFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENLFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F5E60.9090409@hotmail.com>

John Colby wrote:

>>http://www.w2knews.com/index.cfm?id=434&search=sp4

<snip>

> So there you have it.  HUNDREDS of important security fixes which you are
> not installing.

John I am notoriously always making sure my system is secure, I run 
Sygate Personal Firewall (which is probably "THE" best firewall around) 
and run TrendMicro PcCillin, as well as spybot for searching for 
possible missed trojans.

Recently I've stopped surfing the web with IE, now I use Mozilla 
Firebird which does not suffer from the same security exploits as IE. 
I've restricted IE's access to and from the internet so I'm now prompted 
by my firewall if I wish to allow particular software to call home. 
Also SP3 and 4 both contain services that like to call home to 
Microsoft.  in SP4's agreement screen they are clearly outlined so that 
you can turn them off if you so wish... the problem is not it calling 
home heck my Anti-virus and Firewall software already do that, but the 
fact that I don't need anything else timing out and causing slowdowns on 
my pc.  I like it running as fast as bleeding possible.


> And no, I don't have the time to TEST, TEST, TEST.  The man is talking to
> professional system admins, not the lonely developer sitting at his home
> office trying to get some work done.  And any relevant problems aren't
> likely to just jump out and grab me by the throat in any case.

Yes the article and specifically the eZine's target audience are System 
administrators of Windows 2000 systems.  However you're missing the 
point, they are responsible for making sure that the enterprise is 
always up and running.  Thus following partical advices from system 
administrators that choose stability and security over bleeding edge 
patching, you can maintain a reliable OS.


> So you are sitting at SP2, refusing to install the HUNDREDS of important
> security fixes that SP3 provided, never mind SP4.

Yes, I'm also refusing all the other bugs that can cause my virus 
scanner and other software from crashing or running unreliably.  Not to 
mention that Sql Server 2000 Developer "IS" running on my home machine 
at SP2, and well not at all on your machine w/ SP4.  hmmm I choose a 
running system... you?

> Again, I don't care whether you do, just knock it off with the "Mr. Windows
> update" crap.  I respect you opinions very highly, but that stuff annoys the
> hell out of me.

Thanks John, c'mon you know I'm needeling you at the ribs... it's not 
like I'm saying "Unbound Forms are easier to program than bound forms" ;o)


> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Francisco H Tapia
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> John Colby wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hmmmm...
>>
>>I will be running IIS, just haven't gotten around to re-installing it.
> 
> 
> Seems like a perfectly good reason to install SP4, but only after going
> through Sql Server install, and I'd even look at installing IIS before
> the SP
> 
> 
> 
>>AFAIK I can't "roll it back" though.
> 
> 
> When you Install SP4 you are asked if you would like to backup the
> critical files so you can roll back the installation.  You simply visit
> Add/Remove programs and run the Roll back from there.
> 
> 
> 
>>I can just do a reinstall of Windows.  This is a clean install from last
>>weekend, nothing else but SQL Server installed yet.  I install the latest
> 
> SP
> 
>>just to avoid all the bajillions of files the Windows update wants to
>>install if you don't apply the service packs.  So is SP5 on the way to fix
>>the SP4 issues?  ;-)
> 
> 
> Not an SP5 per se, but I've heard rumors that an SP4a or 4b will be
> making rounds to fix the Sql Server connectivity problems, (AFAIK).
> 
> 
>><rant mode on>
>>
>>>MR WindowsUpdate ;o)
>>
>>
>>I have never made any claim that SPs don't cause new problems, only that
> 
> it
> 
>>isn't generally worth my time to spend the weeks required to understand
> 
> the
> 
>>issues re what the fixes are, what gets broken, what gets fixed, whether
> 
> the
> 
>>fixed outweighs the broken etc.  My job is to write databases, not spend
> 
> my
> 
>>life researching SPs.
> 
> 
> I never implied otherwise... I don't like to spend time researching SP's
> and whether they or any other critical update file is going to fix or
> break my pc.  I like a stable OS... which is why I run Win2k Pro on SP2
> 
> 
>>It seems ludicrous to me that a company the size of Microsoft would spend
>>their time fixing bugs, tell me that I should install the SPs so that
>>whatever bugs they have found and fixed are taken care of, then I either
>>refuse (and don't get the bugs fixed) or spend my life researching whether
>>or not to trust them.  Of course they screw up, so do I (VERY
> 
> occasionally).
> 
> oh c'mon John ;o)
> 
> 
> 
>>But I can't spend my time being paranoid that they have screwed something
> 
> up
> 
>>in fixing their original bugs or spend my life being paranoid that because
> 
> I
> 
>>haven't applied the bug fixes something nasty is going to happen.  With
> 
> all
> 
>>the nasty viruses floating around, it seems that applying service packs
> 
> just
> 
>>makes sense.  And I haven't seen ANY dire warnings not to apply any given
>>Win2K SP in all of the MANY EZines that I scan over the average week!
> 
> 
> 
> sure there has.. win2kNews.com
> http://www.w2knews.com/index.cfm?id=434&search=sp4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>I really don't much care whether you apply the SPs, but having been in
> 
> this
> 
>>business as long as I have, I certainly expect MY customers to apply MY
>>service packs!  And if they refuse... it's on their heads.  Your head is
>>your business.  I'm applying the damned service packs!
>>
>>And I truly get annoyed when it's implied that I'm being silly (or stupid)
>>in doing so.
> 
> 
> Not implying your are silly or stupid in doing so, I did question your
> loyalty before, for trusting Windows Updates so dearly.  And you are
> talking about 2 diffrent types of updates... first, your sp to YOUR
> customer is much more customized and YOU will respond much quicker than
> a large organization like MS.  Please bear in mind I dont' HATE
> microsoft, I just beleive that they have reached a point where they are
> soooo big that your request is lost in the midst of MILLIONS of emails.
>       Ceratain errors that you see and someone else does not, is not
> easly addreasable by the company because there are either more pressing
> problems or they are willing to accept that x% of the pie is having
> problems and that's just the way it's gonna go.  MS's OSes support about
> the widest range of hardware than any other OS out there (I realize
> linux supports most hardware too but if that hardware hasn't been
> written for it'll probably be hard to find).
> 
> So SHOULD you blindly install an SP given to you by MS w/o TESTING it
> first?  NOOOOOOooo, test it on another system, or join a newsgroup and
> find out if they are having any issues w/ that SP... if so then you'll
> know before you install, should you do this? YES, because SP's DO cause
> problems.  Some are more worth it than others is all.
> 
> 
>><rant mode off>
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.colbyconsulting.com
>>



-- 
-Francisco
Firebird the browser that blows the competition away. Can you feel the 
fire?


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 22 15:39:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:39:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312304@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I was installing SQL Server 2000 but I don't recall whether it was
Developer or "Personal" (Developer I think), and I was running either
SP1 or 2, whichever was current.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing 
this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...


Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and

> could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to 
> the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried 
> reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> 
> I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it 
> connects
> directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
> running?
> 
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>John,
>>
>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL
>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  
>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server 
>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>To: SQLServer
>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>
>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the 
>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
> 
> 
>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>
>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the
>>data
>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had
> 
> a
> 
>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something 
>>similar.
>>
>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>
>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO
>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>
>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>
> 
> 


-- 
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fire?

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 15:56:08 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:56:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312304@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312304@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F6F61E8.3030403@verizon.net>

Charlotte,
   Phone line to modem to nic?  btw, did you install some sort of DSL 
software?  I never did I just loaded the drivers for my nic and have had 
no problems.



Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I was installing SQL Server 2000 but I don't recall whether it was
> Developer or "Personal" (Developer I think), and I was running either
> SP1 or 2, whichever was current.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing 
> this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
> SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and
> 
> 
>>could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to 
>>the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried 
>>reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>
>>I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it 
>>connects
>>directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
>>running?
>>
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL
>>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
>>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.  
>>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server 
>>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
>>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>>To: SQLServer
>>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>
>>>
>>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>>
>>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
>>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
>>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the 
>>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no program
>>
>>
>>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>>
>>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the
>>>data
>>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group had
>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something 
>>>similar.
>>>
>>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
>>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>>
>>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO
>>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>>
>>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 22 16:27:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312305@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I did originally install DSL software because it was a
self-installation, and the CD didn't really give me a choice.
Afterwards, I pulled the stuff off, but it didn't give me back SQL
Server capability.  When I went to the router, I uninstalled the modem
stuff and haven't yet taken the time to try and reinstall SQL Server.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:56 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


Charlotte,
   Phone line to modem to nic?  btw, did you install some sort of DSL 
software?  I never did I just loaded the drivers for my nic and have had

no problems.



Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I was installing SQL Server 2000 but I don't recall whether it was 
> Developer or "Personal" (Developer I think), and I was running either 
> SP1 or 2, whichever was current.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing
> this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
> SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and
> 
> 
>>could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to
>>the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried 
>>reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>
>>I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it
>>connects
>>directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
>>running?
>>
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL 
>>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
>>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.
>>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server

>>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
>>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>>To: SQLServer
>>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>
>>>
>>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>>
>>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In

>>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
>>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the

>>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no 
>>>program
>>
>>
>>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>>
>>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the 
>>>data
>>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group 
>>>had
>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
>>>similar.
>>>
>>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.

>>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>>
>>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO 
>>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>>
>>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 22 16:37:39 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:37:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAENDFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <3F6F2D09.90607@verizon.net> <001101c3813d$c6b31880$d00c6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <3F6F6BA3.5000604@shaw.ca>

http://www.asp.net/msde/default.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1
If you have installed net framework and using ASPnet WebMatrix (license 
requirement)
Here is Microsoft download for SQL 2000 SP3 MSDE (blaster patch 
included) with install directions.

Martin Reid wrote:

>Also on the office 2000 and Office 2K CDs. You have toi run the setup file
>yourself and remember to patch it.
>
>I have DSL as well and no problems installing SQL Server
>
>
>Martin
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]MSDE Installation
>
>
>  
>
>>John Colby wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Does anyone know how MSDE gets installed?  What it is a part of?
>>>
>>>I want to use MSDE as the database engine for .net development for some
>>>lightweight demo apps and games.  I haven't a clue where it comes from
>>>(other than the Access disks).  Is it just there for .net?  If not is it
>>>available for a download (for free?)?  If so, how do I get it installed
>>>      
>>>
>on a
>  
>
>>>remote computer?
>>>      
>>>
>>MSDE 2.0 (aka Sql Server Desktop) is available for a free download from
>>MS site, IIRC the license to re-distribute is granted w/ Visual
>>Studio.net and you get redistribution rights of MSDE 1.0 with Office
>>2000 developer.
>>
>>-- 
>>-Francisco
>>This page was generated by a Team of Circus Squirrels
>>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 22 16:47:58 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:47:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312305@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312305@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3F6F6E0E.20205@verizon.net>

I'll take a wild stab that it was your DSL software that caused the 
problem... but even on a Self Installation why would you need to use the 
CD, I mean it's a standard network connection from the Nic to the Modem. 
  I wonder if you could just go in and remove any of the bindings with 
PPPoE and everything might work after that... tho I'd make a full system 
backup before messing w/ your network configuration...


Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I did originally install DSL software because it was a
> self-installation, and the CD didn't really give me a choice.
> Afterwards, I pulled the stuff off, but it didn't give me back SQL
> Server capability.  When I went to the router, I uninstalled the modem
> stuff and haven't yet taken the time to try and reinstall SQL Server.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> Charlotte,
>    Phone line to modem to nic?  btw, did you install some sort of DSL 
> software?  I never did I just loaded the drivers for my nic and have had
> 
> no problems.
> 
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>I was installing SQL Server 2000 but I don't recall whether it was 
>>Developer or "Personal" (Developer I think), and I was running either 
>>SP1 or 2, whichever was current.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:25 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing
>>this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
>>SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed and
>>
>>
>>>could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to
>>>the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried 
>>>reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it
>>>connects
>>>directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  what are you 
>>>running?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL 
>>>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina 
>>>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.
>>>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL Server
> 
> 
>>>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs 
>>>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>>>To: SQLServer
>>>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>>>
>>>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  In
> 
> 
>>>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed 
>>>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung the
> 
> 
>>>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no 
>>>>program
>>>
>>>
>>>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>>>
>>>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the 
>>>>data
>>>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group 
>>>>had
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something
>>>>similar.
>>>>
>>>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some more.
> 
> 
>>>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>>>
>>>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO 
>>>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>>>
>>>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco
Firebird the browser that blows the competition away. Can you feel the 
fire?


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 22 16:49:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:49:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312306@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No network, this is my home machine.  When I tried removing the PPoE
bindings, the whole thing died on me.  For now it works, and I'll
address SQL Server one day soon.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:48 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?


I'll take a wild stab that it was your DSL software that caused the 
problem... but even on a Self Installation why would you need to use the

CD, I mean it's a standard network connection from the Nic to the Modem.

  I wonder if you could just go in and remove any of the bindings with 
PPPoE and everything might work after that... tho I'd make a full system

backup before messing w/ your network configuration...


Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I did originally install DSL software because it was a 
> self-installation, and the CD didn't really give me a choice. 
> Afterwards, I pulled the stuff off, but it didn't give me back SQL 
> Server capability.  When I went to the router, I uninstalled the modem

> stuff and haven't yet taken the time to try and reinstall SQL Server.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
> 
> 
> Charlotte,
>    Phone line to modem to nic?  btw, did you install some sort of DSL
> software?  I never did I just loaded the drivers for my nic and have
had
> 
> no problems.
> 
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> 
>>I was installing SQL Server 2000 but I don't recall whether it was
>>Developer or "Personal" (Developer I think), and I was running either 
>>SP1 or 2, whichever was current.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:25 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>
>>
>>hmm, I was installing Sql Server Developer 2000, where you installing 
>>this as well?  On a Win2k Pro system and I believe I was running with 
>>SP2 maybe it was SP1 back then...
>>
>>
>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Same thing.  SQL Server stopped working when the DSL was installed 
>>>and
>>
>>
>>>could not be resuscitated or reinstalled.  It objected strenuously to

>>>the whole PPoE thing.  My NIC is also dLink.  I haven't tried 
>>>reinstalling since I got the router and lost the PPoE.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:08 AM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I've never heard of such a problem.  I have DSL at home and it 
>>>connects directly from my MODEM to my NIC card... (NIC is dLink)  
>>>what are you running?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>My SQL Server installs (even MSDE) got hosed when I went to a DSL
>>>>modem. I could open enterprise manager, but I couldn't get into the 
>>>>databases and nothing worked.  I uninstalled and attempted to 
>>>>reinstall and gave up for the time being.  I haven't had the stamina

>>>>to try and reinstall them since I moved to a DSL router instead.
>>>>Apparently the PPoE required for the modem conflicted with SQL
Server
> 
> 
>>>>and I got some of the same symptoms, including the botched installs
>>>>and reinstalls, etc. Could you be running into something like that?
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:00 AM
>>>>To: SQLServer
>>>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Is it just me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or is SQL Server a bit obtuse?
>>>>
>>>>I had a badly mangled weekend trying to install a new hard drive.  
>>>>In
> 
> 
>>>>the process I backed up!!! my SQL Server database and re-installed
>>>>Windows from scratch.  Re-installed SQL Server.  The install hung
the
> 
> 
>>>>first time.  Tried to re-install - said it already existed (no
>>>>program
>>>
>>>
>>>>groups though).  Tried to uninstall, failed with an error message.
>>>>
>>>>Tried a re-install with the standard options (except for where the
>>>>data
>>>>goes) and it worked.  However... the server under the server group 
>>>>had
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>red square and the words (under THAT) can't connect or something 
>>>>similar.
>>>>
>>>>Manually started SQL Server. Dicked around.  Dicked around some 
>>>>more.
> 
> 
>>>>Dicked around even MORE.
>>>>
>>>>Now I'm getting what LOOKS like a normal SQL Server except NO
>>>>Databases. Not even the ones SQL Server builds for itself.  And of 
>>>>course if I try to do anything I get error messages out the wazoo.
>>>>
>>>>This just sucks folks.  Any advice for the SQL Server impaired?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco
Firebird the browser that blows the competition away. Can you feel the 
fire?

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Sep 22 19:16:48 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:16:48 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923120738.00b1d610@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in a 
where clause to filter out customers.

The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the 
customers that have been selected:

strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & ")"

This goes into a statement which starts like this:

DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)

SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, TradingName, ... etc

However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and this 
means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs length 
(without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).

Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text' but the 
sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"

Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to the 
rest of the sproc?

Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 22 19:39:20 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:39:20 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923120738.00b1d610@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3F7022D8.25748.1F6AA627@localhost>

On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:

> I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in a 
> where clause to filter out customers.
> 
> The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the 
> customers that have been selected:
> 
> strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & ")"
> 


You will build a much smaller string if you use

'initialise the string
strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
......
'build the list
strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
........

'strip trailing comma and close the expression
strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"

> This goes into a statement which starts like this:
> 
> DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
> 
> SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, TradingName, ... etc
> 
> However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and this 
> means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs length 
> (without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
> 
> Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text' but the 
> sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
> 
Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000 
characters.

If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're SOOL 
with that approach.

> Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to the 
> rest of the sproc?
> 

That's one option. 
Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which you 
set somehow rather than building the where string.
If this is likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of 
building a temp table of selected IDs and joining it.



-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Sep 22 20:16:40 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:16:40 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <3F7022D8.25748.1F6AA627@localhost>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923120738.00b1d610@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923131547.00b43d30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Stuart.  Since the database is likely to start running into several 
thousand customers it looks like I will need to run the table way.

David

At 23/09/2003, you wrote:
>On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in a
> > where clause to filter out customers.
> >
> > The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the
> > customers that have been selected:
> >
> > strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & ")"
> >
>
>
>You will build a much smaller string if you use
>
>'initialise the string
>strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
>......
>'build the list
>strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
>........
>
>'strip trailing comma and close the expression
>strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"
>
> > This goes into a statement which starts like this:
> >
> > DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
> >
> > SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, TradingName, 
> ... etc
> >
> > However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and this
> > means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs length
> > (without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
> >
> > Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text' but 
> the
> > sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
> >
>Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000
>characters.
>
>If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're SOOL
>with that approach.
>
> > Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to the
> > rest of the sproc?
> >
>
>That's one option.
>Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which you
>set somehow rather than building the where string.
>If this is likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of
>building a temp table of selected IDs and joining it.
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart McLachlan
>Lexacorp Ltd
>Application Development,  IT Consultancy
>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 22 22:03:01 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:03:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
In-Reply-To: <3F6F5E60.9090409@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

For anyone interested (and willing to risk installing MS Service Packs ;-)

Here is the knowledgebase article that discuses Windows 2000 lack of support
for large hard disks prior to SP3.  Watch line wrap.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q305/0/98.asp&NoWebContent=1

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com





From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 00:30:34 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:30:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <3F7022D8.25748.1F6AA627@localhost>
References: <3F7022D8.25748.1F6AA627@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F6FDA7A.8090602@verizon.net>

Plus there's also a whole other aspect of security problems that go 
along with dynamic sql.

First...
   You must issue users direct access to tables (a big no no).  Access 
to tables should be managed through Views and Sprocs, by using Dynamic 
SQL you must give direct SELECT, INSERT rights to those users.

2nd,
   SQL injections, by this I mean that a malicious users could 
theoretically call your sproc and inject into it's parameter some data 
along with ";" and something sinsiter such as Truncate Table, or detach 
db or something else.  It will be perfectly viable and depending on how 
much access is given to the tables, extreamly lethal.

Things to think about...

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:
> 
> 
>>I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in a 
>>where clause to filter out customers.
>>
>>The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the 
>>customers that have been selected:
>>
>>strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & ")"
>>
> 
> 
> 
> You will build a much smaller string if you use
> 
> 'initialise the string
> strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
> ......
> 'build the list
> strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
> ........
> 
> 'strip trailing comma and close the expression
> strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"
> 
> 
>>This goes into a statement which starts like this:
>>
>>DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
>>
>>SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, TradingName, ... etc
>>
>>However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and this 
>>means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs length 
>>(without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
>>
>>Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text' but the 
>>sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
>>
> 
> Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000 
> characters.
> 
> If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're SOOL 
> with that approach.
> 
> 
>>Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to the 
>>rest of the sproc?
>>
> 
> 
> That's one option. 
> Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which you 
> set somehow rather than building the where string.
> If this is likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of 
> building a temp table of selected IDs and joining it.
> 
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 00:42:50 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:42:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F6FDD5A.8010106@verizon.net>

John Colby wrote:
> For anyone interested (and willing to risk installing MS Service Packs ;-)
> 
> Here is the knowledgebase article that discuses Windows 2000 lack of support
> for large hard disks prior to SP3.  Watch line wrap.
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q305/0/98.asp&NoWebContent=1
> 

Very interesting, tho the article seems to imply that the primary 
partition should not exceed the 137gigs, which is sound advice.  This 
could be why you have been experiencing this problem.  It also did 
mention that you should have a compatible bios.  If you have not updated 
your bios, it may be necessary to do that first.



-- 
-Francisco



From djkr at msn.com  Tue Sep 23 04:09:24 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:09:24 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOHFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c381b2$623973c0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

John

Many thanks for quoting chapter and verse - so much preferable to the
mythology that is so often bandied about!

(Not of course that one should believe *every*thing that passes MS's lips.)

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Colby
> Sent: 23 September 2003 04:03
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; AccessD; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
> 
> 
> For anyone interested (and willing to risk installing MS 
> Service Packs ;-)
> 
> Here is the knowledgebase article that discuses Windows 2000 
> lack of support for large hard disks prior to SP3.  Watch line wrap.
> 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q305/0/98.asp&NoWebContent=1

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 23 07:40:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:40:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
In-Reply-To: <3F6FDD5A.8010106@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPGFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>If you have not updated your bios, it may be necessary to do that first.

That is always the first thing I check when installing a new motherboard.
There is no newer bios available for this board, and the board supports
ATA133 natively.

>Very interesting, though the article seems to imply that the primary
partition should not exceed the 137gigs, which is sound advice.

The way I read it, if you don't have SP3 installed then Windows would
"think" the disk was the max size it understood and set it up as that.  I
thought it was very poorly written and left a lot of holes as to what it was
really doing.  I really posted it as a warning to those getting ready to
purchase a new drive.  The "sweet spot" is about to swing past 120g over to
160g, at which time more and more people are going to run into problems.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Francisco H Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:43 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support


John Colby wrote:
> For anyone interested (and willing to risk installing MS Service Packs ;-)
>
> Here is the knowledgebase article that discuses Windows 2000 lack of
support
> for large hard disks prior to SP3.  Watch line wrap.
>
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/q305/0/98.asp&NoWebContent=1
>

Very interesting, tho the article seems to imply that the primary
partition should not exceed the 137gigs, which is sound advice.  This
could be why you have been experiencing this problem.  It also did
mention that you should have a compatible bios.  If you have not updated
your bios, it may be necessary to do that first.



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 23 09:54:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:54:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPOFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

If and when I get SQL Server running again (I'm about to re-install it after
going back to Win2KSP3), how do I get the backup files back in to SQL
Server.  It looks like SQL Server keeps the location and names of the files
inside the database or something.  IOW, there's no "browse for file"
function that I can find.  I have the data out in files on my disk (with NO
extension!!!) so I need SQL Server to ask me where to go to find these
things, display a list of the backup files, and then get the data back into
a new database.

Alternately, assuming my last failed installed didn't trash it, I need the
INSTALL to find and use the existing database that still exists on another
directory out on my D: drive.

Someone please tell me I haven't lost all my billing data.  I'm beginning to
panic here.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From ebarro at afsweb.com  Tue Sep 23 10:01:13 2003
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:01:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPOFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCMEABFEAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

John,

Here's the restore process I use via SQL Query Analyzer...

RESTORE DATABASE nameofdatabase
FROM DISK = 'F:\BACKUP\nameofbackup'
WITH
REPLACE,
MOVE 'logicalnameofdatafile' TO 'G:\MSSQL\DATA\nameofdatabase.mdf',
MOVE 'logicalnameoflogfile' TO 'G:\MSSQL\DATA\nameofdatabase.ldf'

WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:05'

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:55 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups


If and when I get SQL Server running again (I'm about to re-install it after
going back to Win2KSP3), how do I get the backup files back in to SQL
Server.  It looks like SQL Server keeps the location and names of the files
inside the database or something.  IOW, there's no "browse for file"
function that I can find.  I have the data out in files on my disk (with NO
extension!!!) so I need SQL Server to ask me where to go to find these
things, display a list of the backup files, and then get the data back into
a new database.

Alternately, assuming my last failed installed didn't trash it, I need the
INSTALL to find and use the existing database that still exists on another
directory out on my D: drive.

Someone please tell me I haven't lost all my billing data.  I'm beginning to
panic here.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 10:18:51 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:18:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPGFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPGFBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F70645B.5060401@verizon.net>

Thanks John, I am actually looking at 2 different drives for an upgrade 
I currently have a 60gig, a 120 (partitioned into 3 slices) and a small 
5gig, and am planning to get rid of the 5gig and upgrade to something 
around 160 - 200gig.  Of course I'll let you know how I did. (patches or 
no patches ;o)


John Colby wrote:
>>If you have not updated your bios, it may be necessary to do that first.
> 
> 
> That is always the first thing I check when installing a new motherboard.
> There is no newer bios available for this board, and the board supports
> ATA133 natively.
> 
> 
>>Very interesting, though the article seems to imply that the primary
> 
> partition should not exceed the 137gigs, which is sound advice.
> 
> The way I read it, if you don't have SP3 installed then Windows would
> "think" the disk was the max size it understood and set it up as that.  I
> thought it was very poorly written and left a lot of holes as to what it was
> really doing.  I really posted it as a warning to those getting ready to
> purchase a new drive.  The "sweet spot" is about to swing past 120g over to
> 160g, at which time more and more people are going to run into problems.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Francisco H Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:43 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Win2K Large Hard Disk Support
> 
> 
> John Colby wrote:
> 
>>For anyone interested (and willing to risk installing MS Service Packs ;-)
>>
>>Here is the knowledgebase article that discuses Windows 2000 lack of
> 
> support
> 
>>for large hard disks prior to SP3.  Watch line wrap.
>>
>>
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
> 
>>80/support/kb/articles/q305/0/98.asp&NoWebContent=1
>>
> 
> 
> Very interesting, tho the article seems to imply that the primary
> partition should not exceed the 137gigs, which is sound advice.  This
> could be why you have been experiencing this problem.  It also did
> mention that you should have a compatible bios.  If you have not updated
> your bios, it may be necessary to do that first.

-Francisco



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 10:39:24 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:39:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups
In-Reply-To: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCMEABFEAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCMEABFEAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <3F70692C.20300@verizon.net>

Using EM

 From the Main Menu

1) TOOLS > RESTORE DATABASE

2) In the Restore as Database drop down type in the name of your 
database then select the option "From Device"

3) Click the "Select Devices" button

4) Click the Add button

5) Click the "..." to go and look for the drive and path and finally the 
backup file.

6, 7, 8) Click OK (x3), until you return to the Restore Database 
"window" and click on the Options Tab

9) Click the "Force Restore over existing database (this is a just in 
case reason).  and in the listbox you'll notice two columns Logical File 
Name and Move to Physical File Name.

10) If the original drive is no longer available or you want to store 
the data and log files somewhere else, then just click and "edit" the 
locations of the files...


done :D




John Colby wrote:

> If and when I get SQL Server running again (I'm about to re-install it after
> going back to Win2KSP3), how do I get the backup files back in to SQL
> Server.  It looks like SQL Server keeps the location and names of the files
> inside the database or something.  IOW, there's no "browse for file"
> function that I can find.  I have the data out in files on my disk (with NO
> extension!!!) so I need SQL Server to ask me where to go to find these
> things, display a list of the backup files, and then get the data back into
> a new database.
> 
> Alternately, assuming my last failed installed didn't trash it, I need the
> INSTALL to find and use the existing database that still exists on another
> directory out on my D: drive.
> 
> Someone please tell me I haven't lost all my billing data.  I'm beginning to
> panic here.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com



-- 
-Francisco



From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Tue Sep 23 10:32:59 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:32:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6A7334C@lbrn12.d20.intra>

John,

>From the BOL -
To restore a backup from a backup device 

Expand a server group, and then expand a server.

Expand Databases, right-click the database, point to All Tasks, and then
click Restore Database.

In the Restore as database box, type or select the name of the database
to restore if different from the default. To restore the database with a
new name, type the new name of the database. 

Note  Specifying a new name for the database determines automatically
the new names for the database files restored from the database backup.

Click From device, and then click Select devices.

Under Restore from, click Tape or Disk, and then select a device from
which to restore. 
If no devices appear, click Add to add an existing backup device or to
create a new one. In the Restore Database dialog box, click View
Contents and select the backup set to restore.

Note  This option scans the backup set for the backup content
information and can be time consuming, especially when using tape
devices. If you already know the backup set to restore, type the backup
set number in Backup number instead.

Under Restore backup set, do one of the following: 
Click Database - complete to restore a database backup.

Click Database - differential to restore a differential database backup.

Click Transaction log to apply a transaction log backup.

Click File or filegroup to restore a file or filegroup backup. Specify
the name of the file or filegroup. 
Optionally, click the Options tab, and then do one of the following: 
Click Leave database operational. No additional transaction logs can be
restored if no further transaction log backups are to be applied.

Click Leave database nonoperational, but able to restore additional
transaction logs if another transaction log backup is to be applied. 
Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com] 
Sent: 23 September 2003 16:01
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups


John,

Here's the restore process I use via SQL Query Analyzer...

RESTORE DATABASE nameofdatabase
FROM DISK = 'F:\BACKUP\nameofbackup'
WITH
REPLACE,
MOVE 'logicalnameofdatafile' TO 'G:\MSSQL\DATA\nameofdatabase.mdf',
MOVE 'logicalnameoflogfile' TO 'G:\MSSQL\DATA\nameofdatabase.ldf'

WAITFOR DELAY '00:00:05'

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:55 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Restoring SQL Backups


If and when I get SQL Server running again (I'm about to re-install it
after going back to Win2KSP3), how do I get the backup files back in to
SQL Server.  It looks like SQL Server keeps the location and names of
the files inside the database or something.  IOW, there's no "browse for
file" function that I can find.  I have the data out in files on my disk
(with NO
extension!!!) so I need SQL Server to ask me where to go to find these
things, display a list of the backup files, and then get the data back
into a new database.

Alternately, assuming my last failed installed didn't trash it, I need
the INSTALL to find and use the existing database that still exists on
another directory out on my D: drive.

Someone please tell me I haven't lost all my billing data.  I'm
beginning to panic here.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 23 10:43:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:43:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEABFCAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I replaced my hard disk in my server and now I am not getting a successful
SQL Server install.  It appears that it runs, I can start the server, but as
soon as I go into Enterprise manager and attempt to drill down to the server
under server group, it stops the SQL Server (the icon in the toolbar goes
red), hangs for a long period (60 seconds or so?) with "Establishing
connection to SQL Server and checking security" in the status bar of
Enterprise manager.  The server eventually displays but there are no
databases at all in the database window, not even the system databases, and
if I attempt to look at some other pieces under there one of them causes a
gpf and EM closes.

Something is seriously wrong, and all my billing data is in a backup waiting
to be restored.

I told it to use an existing directory that already had my old database in
it when I did the install.  Could that be the problem?



John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Sep 23 10:51:13 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEABFCAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEABFCAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3F706BF1.6010006@verizon.net>

John If you want to try later today, give me a hollar on Msn Messenger 
and we can try remote connectivity to your pc. and walk through the problem.

John Colby wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I replaced my hard disk in my server and now I am not getting a successful
> SQL Server install.  It appears that it runs, I can start the server, but as
> soon as I go into Enterprise manager and attempt to drill down to the server
> under server group, it stops the SQL Server (the icon in the toolbar goes
> red), hangs for a long period (60 seconds or so?) with "Establishing
> connection to SQL Server and checking security" in the status bar of
> Enterprise manager.  The server eventually displays but there are no
> databases at all in the database window, not even the system databases, and
> if I attempt to look at some other pieces under there one of them causes a
> gpf and EM closes.
> 
> Something is seriously wrong, and all my billing data is in a backup waiting
> to be restored.
> 
> I told it to use an existing directory that already had my old database in
> it when I did the install.  Could that be the problem?
> 
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco
Leela: "Great. We're two days from earth with no food." 
Bender: "Problem solved. You two fight to the death and I'll cook the 
loser."


From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Sep 23 20:59:03 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:29:03 +0930
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A3B4@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Look in Books On Line for the RebuildM utility. This will rebuild your
master databases.  

It may help, although it sounds as if just didn't install properly.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:14 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help


Folks,

I replaced my hard disk in my server and now I am not getting a successful
SQL Server install.  It appears that it runs, I can start the server, but as
soon as I go into Enterprise manager and attempt to drill down to the server
under server group, it stops the SQL Server (the icon in the toolbar goes
red), hangs for a long period (60 seconds or so?) with "Establishing
connection to SQL Server and checking security" in the status bar of
Enterprise manager.  The server eventually displays but there are no
databases at all in the database window, not even the system databases, and
if I attempt to look at some other pieces under there one of them causes a
gpf and EM closes.

Something is seriously wrong, and all my billing data is in a backup waiting
to be restored.

I told it to use an existing directory that already had my old database in
it when I did the install.  Could that be the problem?



John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Sep 23 21:07:16 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:37:16 +0930
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A3B5@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Oops, just saw the last line.  Definitely install into a clean directory.
SQL can't just 'pick' up from existing data files like that.

They need to be restored or attached from a backup using the processes
described in BOL.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 1:14 AM
To: SQLServer
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Can anyone give me personalized help


Folks,

I replaced my hard disk in my server and now I am not getting a successful
SQL Server install.  It appears that it runs, I can start the server, but as
soon as I go into Enterprise manager and attempt to drill down to the server
under server group, it stops the SQL Server (the icon in the toolbar goes
red), hangs for a long period (60 seconds or so?) with "Establishing
connection to SQL Server and checking security" in the status bar of
Enterprise manager.  The server eventually displays but there are no
databases at all in the database window, not even the system databases, and
if I attempt to look at some other pieces under there one of them causes a
gpf and EM closes.

Something is seriously wrong, and all my billing data is in a backup waiting
to be restored.

I told it to use an existing directory that already had my old database in
it when I did the install.  Could that be the problem?



John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Wed Sep 24 09:47:16 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:47:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673ADDD@GUARDIAN_5>

Does anyone have a quick Last Full Month solution in SQL?  I need to run
reports for the prior month, and have about 25 lines of code to get to the
last full month.  Thanks in advance.

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Sep 24 09:02:13 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:02:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <6081747.1064412133356.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

are you doing this entirely in SQL Server or using Access or VB as a front-end ?




Message date : Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 
To : Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail) 
Copy to : 
Subject : [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 
Does anyone have a quick Last Full Month solution in SQL? I need to run 
reports for the prior month, and have about 25 lines of code to get to the 
last full month. Thanks in advance. 
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From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:09:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673ADF9@GUARDIAN_5>

All in SQL.  I just figured out how to get the first day of the year:
 
select DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of year*/
 
So now I am on to trying to figure out how to get the first day of the prior
month and the last day of the prior month.

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:02 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month


are you doing this entirely in SQL Server or using Access or VB as a
front-end ?





Message date : Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 
To : Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail) 
Copy to : 
Subject : [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 
Does anyone have a quick Last Full Month solution in SQL? I need to run 
reports for the prior month, and have about 25 lines of code to get to the 
last full month. Thanks in advance. 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Sep 24 09:24:27 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:24:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <21549984.1064413467799.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

to get the last day of the month use


select DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()), -1) /* last day of month*/

can't believe I can't get the first day of the month yet....

Paul


Message date : Sep 24 2003, 03:06 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 








All in 
SQL.  I just figured out how to get the first day of the 
year:


class=687320314-24092003> 


select 
DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of 
year*/


class=687320314-24092003> 


So now 
I am on to trying to figure out how to get the first day of the prior month and 
the last day of the prior month.




size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
[mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 
2003 10:02 AM
To: 
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL 
Last Full Month


are you doing this entirely in SQL Server 
or using Access or VB as a front-end ?





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date : Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 

To : Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail) 

Copy to : 
Subject : 
[dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 
Does anyone have a quick Last Full 
Month solution in SQL? I need to run 
reports for the prior month, and 
have about 25 lines of code to get to the 
last full month. Thanks in 
advance. 
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Wed Sep 24 10:38:37 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:38:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673AE0A@GUARDIAN_5>

First day of prior month:
select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)/*first
day of prior month*/     

 
Here are the other ones I tripped over while trying to get to my answer, if
anyone else finds them useful.

select CAST(DATEPART(m, getdate())-1 AS int(2)) /*last month*/
select CAST(DATEPART(yyyy, getdate())AS int(2)) /*current year*/
select CAST(DATEPART(dd, getdate())AS int(2))    /*current day*/
select DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of current
year*/
select DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()), 0) /*first day of current
month*/
select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()  ), 0)) /*last day
of prior month*/
select DATEADD(qq, DATEDIFF(qq,0,getdate()), 0) /*first day of the quarter*/
select DATEADD(dd, DATEDIFF(dd,0,getdate()), 0) /*midnight for current day*/
select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(m,0,getdate()  )+1, 0)) /*last day
of current month*/
select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()  ), 0)) /*last day
of prior year*/
select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()  )+1, 0))/*last day
of current year*/
select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)/*first
day of prior month*/     


-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month


to get the last day of the month use


select DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()), -1) /* last day of month*/


can't believe I can't get the first day of the month yet....

 

Paul



Message date : Sep 24 2003, 03:06 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 








All in 
SQL.  I just figured out how to get the first day of the 
year:


class=687320314-24092003> 

select 
DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of 
year*/


class=687320314-24092003> 

So now 
I am on to trying to figure out how to get the first day of the prior month
and 
the last day of the prior month.




size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net 
[mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 
2003 10:02 AM
To: 
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL 
Last Full Month


are you doing this entirely in SQL Server 
or using Access or VB as a front-end ?







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5px">Message 
date : Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM 
>From : Nicholson, Karen 

To : Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail) 

Copy to : 
Subject : 
[dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month 
Does anyone have a quick Last Full 
Month solution in SQL? I need to run 
reports for the prior month, and 
have about 25 lines of code to get to the 
last full month. Thanks in 
advance. 
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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Sep 24 13:28:53 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:28:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923131547.00b43d30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000001c382c9$b67bf440$6501a8c0@rock>

I just wrote a UDF that takes a comma delimited string (which would
normally be passed as the argument to IN(), but instead it breaks the
string apart into its components and creates a temporary table, which
can then be joined to the table(s) of interest.

Unfortunately I can't show it to you yet because it's part of one of my
forthcoming SQL Tips columns :-)

The point of the exercise was, lots of arguments to IN() results in very
slow execution. Joining a temp table is WAY faster.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:17 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long


Thanks Stuart.  Since the database is likely to start running into
several 
thousand customers it looks like I will need to run the table way.

David

At 23/09/2003, you wrote:
>On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in

> > a where clause to filter out customers.
> >
> > The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the 
> > customers that have been selected:
> >
> > strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & 
> > ")"
> >
>
>
>You will build a much smaller string if you use
>
>'initialise the string
>strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
>......
>'build the list
>strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
>........
>
>'strip trailing comma and close the expression
>strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"
>
> > This goes into a statement which starts like this:
> >
> > DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
> >
> > SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, 
> > TradingName,
> ... etc
> >
> > However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and 
> > this means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs

> > length (without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
> >
> > Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text' 
> > but
> the
> > sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
> >
>Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000 
>characters.
>
>If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're 
>SOOL with that approach.
>
> > Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to

> > the rest of the sproc?
> >
>
>That's one option.
>Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which 
>you set somehow rather than building the where string. If this is 
>likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of building a

>temp table of selected IDs and joining it.
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart McLachlan
>Lexacorp Ltd
>Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Wed Sep 24 11:36:34 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:36:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673AE4D@GUARDIAN_5>

What part of this is telling it to extract the year 2001 instead of 2003?

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)

From Christopher.Brophy at GDC4S.Com  Wed Sep 24 10:42:42 2003
From: Christopher.Brophy at GDC4S.Com (Brophy, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:42:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?
Message-ID: <F7C61BD3FA400749B8BD78BFA1B2B1AA95A6D6@ndhmex01.ndhm.gd-ns.com>

You are using the datepart result (today is the day 24) and subtracting that
many months from now (2003/09) less one more to get a date in 2001/08.

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


What part of this is telling it to extract the year 2001 instead of 2003?

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Wed Sep 24 11:52:30 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:52:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673AE56@GUARDIAN_5>

I am trying to get day 1 of the prior month, or August 1, 2003

-----Original Message-----
From: Brophy, Christopher [mailto:Christopher.Brophy at GDC4S.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:43 AM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


You are using the datepart result (today is the day 24) and subtracting that
many months from now (2003/09) less one more to get a date in 2001/08.

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


What part of this is telling it to extract the year 2001 instead of 2003?

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Wed Sep 24 12:01:46 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:01:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673AE58@GUARDIAN_5>

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-0-datepart(day,0),getdate())),0)

I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


I am trying to get day 1 of the prior month, or August 1, 2003

-----Original Message-----
From: Brophy, Christopher [mailto:Christopher.Brophy at GDC4S.Com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:43 AM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


You are using the datepart result (today is the day 24) and subtracting that
many months from now (2003/09) less one more to get a date in 2001/08.

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


What part of this is telling it to extract the year 2001 instead of 2003?

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)
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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Wed Sep 24 11:17:08 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEEBE7@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

This part:

dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())

The result is -25 months

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM
To: Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Why Year 2001?


What part of this is telling it to extract the year 2001 instead of
2003?

select DATEADD(mm,
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 24 11:43:04 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:43:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
Message-ID: <BAY1-F18UIdMFmd9O5f0000f60f@hotmail.com>

To get first day of prior month, use this:

SELECT CONVERT(SMALLDATETIME, CONVERT(VARCHAR(4), DATEADD(MM,-1,GETDATE()), 
12) + '01', 112)

Not sure why 
DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0) returns 
'2001-08-01 00:00:00.000'

HTH
Billy


>From: "Nicholson, Karen" <knicholson at gpsx.net>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:38:37 -0500
>
>First day of prior month:
>select DATEADD(mm,
>DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)/*first
>day of prior month*/
>
>
>Here are the other ones I tripped over while trying to get to my answer, if
>anyone else finds them useful.
>
>select CAST(DATEPART(m, getdate())-1 AS int(2)) /*last month*/
>select CAST(DATEPART(yyyy, getdate())AS int(2)) /*current year*/
>select CAST(DATEPART(dd, getdate())AS int(2))    /*current day*/
>select DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of current
>year*/
>select DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()), 0) /*first day of current
>month*/
>select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()  ), 0)) /*last day
>of prior month*/
>select DATEADD(qq, DATEDIFF(qq,0,getdate()), 0) /*first day of the 
>quarter*/
>select DATEADD(dd, DATEDIFF(dd,0,getdate()), 0) /*midnight for current 
>day*/
>select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(m,0,getdate()  )+1, 0)) /*last 
>day
>of current month*/
>select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()  ), 0)) /*last day
>of prior year*/
>select dateadd(ms,-3,DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()  )+1, 0))/*last 
>day
>of current year*/
>select DATEADD(mm,
>DATEDIFF(mm,0,dateadd(mm,-1-datepart(day,getdate()),getdate())),0)/*first
>day of prior month*/
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:24 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
>
>
>to get the last day of the month use
>
>
>select DATEADD(mm, DATEDIFF(mm,0,getdate()), -1) /* last day of month*/
>
>
>can't believe I can't get the first day of the month yet....
>
>
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>Message date : Sep 24 2003, 03:06 PM
> >From : Nicholson, Karen
>To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Copy to :
>Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>All in
>SQL.  I just figured out how to get the first day of the
>year:
>
>
>class=687320314-24092003>
>
>select
>DATEADD(yy, DATEDIFF(yy,0,getdate()), 0) /* first day of
>year*/
>
>
>class=687320314-24092003>
>
>So now
>I am on to trying to figure out how to get the first day of the prior month
>and
>the last day of the prior month.
>
>
>
>
>size=2>-----Original Message-----
>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>[mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 24,
>2003 10:02 AM
>To:
>dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]SQL
>Last Full Month
>
>
>are you doing this entirely in SQL Server
>or using Access or VB as a front-end ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>style="BORDER-LEFT: #ff0000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT:
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>date : Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM
> >From : Nicholson, Karen
>
>To : Dba-Sqlserver (E-mail)
>
>Copy to :
>Subject :
>[dba-SQLServer]SQL Last Full Month
>Does anyone have a quick Last Full
>Month solution in SQL? I need to run
>reports for the prior month, and
>have about 25 lines of code to get to the
>last full month. Thanks in
>advance.
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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Sep 24 13:13:50 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:13:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]CHAT: Advanced SQL Server Administration
In-Reply-To: <3F71B52E.6080106@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <014b01c382c7$9b0429f0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Thanks for the 'heads-up', Francisco.  Busy, wasn't it?

John


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> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Sep 24 14:14:47 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:14:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]CHAT: Advanced SQL Server Administration
In-Reply-To: <014b01c382c7$9b0429f0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
References: <014b01c382c7$9b0429f0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <3F71ED27.2000604@verizon.net>

I think it was very good. I took good info from it :)
DJK(John) Robinson wrote:

> Thanks for the 'heads-up', Francisco.  Busy, wasn't it?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
>>Of Francisco H Tapia
>>Sent: 24 September 2003 16:16
>>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]CHAT: Advanced SQL Server Administration
>>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 24 17:03:53 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:03:53 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <000001c382c9$b67bf440$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923131547.00b43d30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030925100150.00bcd8a0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Arthur,

I found that I had used a temp table in another (programmed later) part of 
the FE.  I seemed to have come to the same conclusion but hadn't gone back 
and updated old code.

David

At 24/09/2003, you wrote:
>I just wrote a UDF that takes a comma delimited string (which would
>normally be passed as the argument to IN(), but instead it breaks the
>string apart into its components and creates a temporary table, which
>can then be joined to the table(s) of interest.
>
>Unfortunately I can't show it to you yet because it's part of one of my
>forthcoming SQL Tips columns :-)
>
>The point of the exercise was, lots of arguments to IN() results in very
>slow execution. Joining a temp table is WAY faster.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:17 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
>
>
>Thanks Stuart.  Since the database is likely to start running into
>several
>thousand customers it looks like I will need to run the table way.
>
>David
>
>At 23/09/2003, you wrote:
> >On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:
> >
> > > I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used in
>
> > > a where clause to filter out customers.
> > >
> > > The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the
> > > customers that have been selected:
> > >
> > > strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) &
> > > ")"
> > >
> >
> >
> >You will build a much smaller string if you use
> >
> >'initialise the string
> >strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
> >......
> >'build the list
> >strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
> >........
> >
> >'strip trailing comma and close the expression
> >strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"
> >
> > > This goes into a statement which starts like this:
> > >
> > > DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
> > >
> > > SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName,
> > > TradingName,
> > ... etc
> > >
> > > However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and
> > > this means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the @qs
>
> > > length (without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
> > >
> > > Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 'text'
> > > but
> > the
> > > sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
> > >
> >Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000
> >characters.
> >
> >If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're
> >SOOL with that approach.
> >
> > > Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it to
>
> > > the rest of the sproc?
> > >
> >
> >That's one option.
> >Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which
> >you set somehow rather than building the where string. If this is
> >likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of building a
>
> >temp table of selected IDs and joining it.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Stuart McLachlan
> >Lexacorp Ltd
> >Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Thu Sep 25 12:55:31 2003
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:55:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030925100150.00bcd8a0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCKEEJFEAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Does anyone here have any experience with optimizing a SQL server box with 2 processors?

We installed a second processor on our SQL server box and we are getting more timeouts than ever.

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From Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com  Thu Sep 25 13:17:35 2003
From: Robert.Djabarov at usaa.com (Djabarov, Robert)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:17:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
Message-ID: <3CCEA32DFF043C4CB99B835557E11B30BEED98@ex02.eagle.usaa.com>

Well, since I'm not writing any articles, here's the function that
Arthur may have:

create function dbo.fn_ParseStringToIntValues (
   @str varchar(8000) ) returns @tbl table (IntValue int not null)
as begin
   declare @pos int
   
   while charindex(',', @str, 1) > 0 begin
      set @pos = charindex(',', @str, 1)
      insert @tbl values (cast(substring(@str, 1, @pos-1) as int))
      set @str = substring(@str, @pos+1, datalength(@str)- at pos)
   end
   insert @tbl values (cast(@str as int))
   return
end
go
select * from dbo.fn_ParseStringToIntValues
('123,432,456,4356,43234,1,2,3') order by 1

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:04 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long


Thanks Arthur,

I found that I had used a temp table in another (programmed later) part
of 
the FE.  I seemed to have come to the same conclusion but hadn't gone
back 
and updated old code.

David

At 24/09/2003, you wrote:
>I just wrote a UDF that takes a comma delimited string (which would 
>normally be passed as the argument to IN(), but instead it breaks the 
>string apart into its components and creates a temporary table, which 
>can then be joined to the table(s) of interest.
>
>Unfortunately I can't show it to you yet because it's part of one of my

>forthcoming SQL Tips columns :-)
>
>The point of the exercise was, lots of arguments to IN() results in 
>very slow execution. Joining a temp table is WAY faster.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David 
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:17 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Creating Sproc over 8000 chars long
>
>
>Thanks Stuart.  Since the database is likely to start running into 
>several thousand customers it looks like I will need to run the table 
>way.
>
>David
>
>At 23/09/2003, you wrote:
> >On 23 Sep 2003 at 12:16, David Emerson wrote:
> >
> > > I have a sproc that accepts a string as a parameter which is used 
> > > in
>
> > > a where clause to filter out customers.
> > >
> > > The string is created by looping through a list box and adding the

> > > customers that have been selected:
> > >
> > > strList = strList & " or ((CustomerID) = " & .ItemData(varItem) & 
> > > ")"
> > >
> >
> >
> >You will build a much smaller string if you use
> >
> >'initialise the string
> >strList  = "CustomerID IN ("
> >......
> >'build the list
> >strList = strList & ItemData(varItem) & ","
> >........
> >
> >'strip trailing comma and close the expression
> >strList = left$(strList,Len(strList)-1) & ")"
> >
> > > This goes into a statement which starts like this:
> > >
> > > DECLARE @qs varchar (8000)
> > >
> > > SELECT @qs = 'INSERT INTO ttmpExportMerge (CustomerName, 
> > > TradingName,
> > ... etc
> > >
> > > However the problem is that there could be over 1600 customers and

> > > this means that strList is over 8000 character which exceeds the 
> > > @qs
>
> > > length (without even allowing for the rest of the sproc).
> > >
> > > Is there a data type that can handle these numbers?  I tried 
> > > 'text' but
> > the
> > > sproc errors with "text is invalid for local variables"
> > >
> >Nope, your stuck with data types which can have a maximum of 8000 
> >characters.
> >
> >If the IN construct still gives you more than 8000 characters you're 
> >SOOL with that approach.
> >
> > > Is my only option to write the customer ID to a table and join it 
> > > to
>
> > > the rest of the sproc?
> > >
> >
> >That's one option.
> >Another may be to have a "Selected" field in the customer table which

> >you set somehow rather than building the where string. If this is 
> >likely to be multi user, I'd probably go with your option of building

> >a
>
> >temp table of selected IDs and joining it.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Stuart McLachlan
> >Lexacorp Ltd
> >Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> >
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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Mon Sep 29 08:15:44 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:15:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Prompting for Value
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673B30E@GUARDIAN_5>

Need hints, please.  I need to ask the user for a value for filtering
records in an sql statement.  Just a simple, what promo_id that I have
underlined in the select statement below.  Looking everywhere, must not be
asking the correct question.  I assume a variable is declared and then the
variable pops in the place of the underline?  Thanks in advance.  Happy
Monday.

SELECT prospect.prospect_no, prospect.prospect_name, 
    prospect.prospect_addr1, prospect.prospect_addr2, 
    prospect.city_name, prospect.state_id, prospect.zip_code, 
    prospect.branch_no, prospect.mktsrc_id, prospect.phone1, 
    prospect.prospstat_id, prospect.sales_emp_no, prospect.udf9, 
    prospect.udf10, prospect.promo_id, 
    prospect.referring_cust_no, prospect.udf7, 
    prospect_archive.prospstat_id AS prospstat_id_archive, 
    customer.cust_name, customer.cust_addr1, 
    customer.cust_addr2, customer.city_name AS Expr1, 
    customer.state_id AS Expr2, customer.zip_code AS Expr3, 
    customer.phone1 AS Expr4
FROM dbo.prospect INNER JOIN
    dbo.prospect_archive ON 
    dbo.prospect.prospect_no = dbo.prospect_archive.prospect_no LEFT
     OUTER JOIN
    dbo.customer ON 
    dbo.prospect.referring_cust_no = dbo.customer.cust_no
WHERE (dbo.prospect.promo_id = ____________________ )

From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Sep 29 12:13:45 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:13:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Prompting for Value
In-Reply-To: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673B30E@GUARDIAN_5>
References: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673B30E@GUARDIAN_5>
Message-ID: <3F786849.9070802@verizon.net>

In a sproc this would look like this...

CREATE PROCEDURE sproc_MyPromoID (@Promo_ID AS Integer)
AS
SELECT prospect.prospect_no, prospect.prospect_name,
     prospect.prospect_addr1, prospect.prospect_addr2,
     prospect.city_name, prospect.state_id, prospect.zip_code,
     prospect.branch_no, prospect.mktsrc_id, prospect.phone1,
     prospect.prospstat_id, prospect.sales_emp_no, prospect.udf9,
     prospect.udf10, prospect.promo_id,
     prospect.referring_cust_no, prospect.udf7,
     prospect_archive.prospstat_id AS prospstat_id_archive,
     customer.cust_name, customer.cust_addr1,
     customer.cust_addr2, customer.city_name AS Expr1,
     customer.state_id AS Expr2, customer.zip_code AS Expr3,
     customer.phone1 AS Expr4
FROM dbo.prospect INNER JOIN
     dbo.prospect_archive ON
     dbo.prospect.prospect_no = dbo.prospect_archive.prospect_no LEFT
      OUTER JOIN
     dbo.customer ON
     dbo.prospect.referring_cust_no = dbo.customer.cust_no
WHERE (dbo.prospect.promo_id = @Promo_ID)

note, if you're trying to prompt for this value you'll need to have your 
gui acctually ask from an input box or if in Access create a form that 
would ask for this information.

to execute the command would be

exec sproc_MyPromoId 1234

if 1234 was the promoid.

Nicholson, Karen wrote:
> Need hints, please.  I need to ask the user for a value for filtering
> records in an sql statement.  Just a simple, what promo_id that I have
> underlined in the select statement below.  Looking everywhere, must not be
> asking the correct question.  I assume a variable is declared and then the
> variable pops in the place of the underline?  Thanks in advance.  Happy
> Monday.
> 
> SELECT prospect.prospect_no, prospect.prospect_name, 
>     prospect.prospect_addr1, prospect.prospect_addr2, 
>     prospect.city_name, prospect.state_id, prospect.zip_code, 
>     prospect.branch_no, prospect.mktsrc_id, prospect.phone1, 
>     prospect.prospstat_id, prospect.sales_emp_no, prospect.udf9, 
>     prospect.udf10, prospect.promo_id, 
>     prospect.referring_cust_no, prospect.udf7, 
>     prospect_archive.prospstat_id AS prospstat_id_archive, 
>     customer.cust_name, customer.cust_addr1, 
>     customer.cust_addr2, customer.city_name AS Expr1, 
>     customer.state_id AS Expr2, customer.zip_code AS Expr3, 
>     customer.phone1 AS Expr4
> FROM dbo.prospect INNER JOIN
>     dbo.prospect_archive ON 
>     dbo.prospect.prospect_no = dbo.prospect_archive.prospect_no LEFT
>      OUTER JOIN
>     dbo.customer ON 
>     dbo.prospect.referring_cust_no = dbo.customer.cust_no
> WHERE (dbo.prospect.promo_id = ____________________ )
> _______________________________________________



-- 
-Francisco



From knicholson at gpsx.net  Mon Sep 29 13:15:23 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:15:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Prompting for Value
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673B45A@GUARDIAN_5>

Great, this should get me started.  I am using C++ as my GUI.  Getting
documentation on C++ Builder is very difficult.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:14 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Prompting for Value


In a sproc this would look like this...

CREATE PROCEDURE sproc_MyPromoID (@Promo_ID AS Integer)
AS
SELECT prospect.prospect_no, prospect.prospect_name,
     prospect.prospect_addr1, prospect.prospect_addr2,
     prospect.city_name, prospect.state_id, prospect.zip_code,
     prospect.branch_no, prospect.mktsrc_id, prospect.phone1,
     prospect.prospstat_id, prospect.sales_emp_no, prospect.udf9,
     prospect.udf10, prospect.promo_id,
     prospect.referring_cust_no, prospect.udf7,
     prospect_archive.prospstat_id AS prospstat_id_archive,
     customer.cust_name, customer.cust_addr1,
     customer.cust_addr2, customer.city_name AS Expr1,
     customer.state_id AS Expr2, customer.zip_code AS Expr3,
     customer.phone1 AS Expr4
FROM dbo.prospect INNER JOIN
     dbo.prospect_archive ON
     dbo.prospect.prospect_no = dbo.prospect_archive.prospect_no LEFT
      OUTER JOIN
     dbo.customer ON
     dbo.prospect.referring_cust_no = dbo.customer.cust_no
WHERE (dbo.prospect.promo_id = @Promo_ID)

note, if you're trying to prompt for this value you'll need to have your 
gui acctually ask from an input box or if in Access create a form that 
would ask for this information.

to execute the command would be

exec sproc_MyPromoId 1234

if 1234 was the promoid.

Nicholson, Karen wrote:
> Need hints, please.  I need to ask the user for a value for filtering
> records in an sql statement.  Just a simple, what promo_id that I have
> underlined in the select statement below.  Looking everywhere, must not be
> asking the correct question.  I assume a variable is declared and then the
> variable pops in the place of the underline?  Thanks in advance.  Happy
> Monday.
> 
> SELECT prospect.prospect_no, prospect.prospect_name, 
>     prospect.prospect_addr1, prospect.prospect_addr2, 
>     prospect.city_name, prospect.state_id, prospect.zip_code, 
>     prospect.branch_no, prospect.mktsrc_id, prospect.phone1, 
>     prospect.prospstat_id, prospect.sales_emp_no, prospect.udf9, 
>     prospect.udf10, prospect.promo_id, 
>     prospect.referring_cust_no, prospect.udf7, 
>     prospect_archive.prospstat_id AS prospstat_id_archive, 
>     customer.cust_name, customer.cust_addr1, 
>     customer.cust_addr2, customer.city_name AS Expr1, 
>     customer.state_id AS Expr2, customer.zip_code AS Expr3, 
>     customer.phone1 AS Expr4
> FROM dbo.prospect INNER JOIN
>     dbo.prospect_archive ON 
>     dbo.prospect.prospect_no = dbo.prospect_archive.prospect_no LEFT
>      OUTER JOIN
>     dbo.customer ON 
>     dbo.prospect.referring_cust_no = dbo.customer.cust_no
> WHERE (dbo.prospect.promo_id = ____________________ )
> _______________________________________________



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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Tue Sep 30 13:09:02 2003
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Unworking Cursor
Message-ID: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D068DF4C9@GUARDIAN_5>

CREATE PROCEDURE gps_american_site_no AS
 create table #tmp_site (site_no int)
insert #tmp_site(site_no)
select max(site_no)
from site
Does anyone know anything about cursors?  I have a table that I have
imported from Access to SQL 7.  Table is named tblAmerican.  The unique ID
is named ID, the field I want to populated is named siteno.

I get the maximum value of the site_no from my site table (another SQL
table).  That works.  Then I think I am telling Herman (that is my computer)
to update the values of the site_no field in tblAmerican by one as it loopdy
doops through my first attempt at a cursor.  The only thing I get is the
first number in tblAmerican.  Says it is doing something one by one, but
only row one gets updated.

Why am I lost?


declare @tmp_site_no int, @tmp_id_no int

declare auto_site_cursor cursor for
select  id
from tblamerican

open auto_site_cursor

fetch next from auto_site_cursor into @tmp_id_no

while @@fetch_status = 0
begin

   update tblamerican
   set siteno =  #tmp_site.site_no + 1
   from  #tmp_site,
        tblamerican
   where  tblamerican.id=@tmp_id_no
        
   update  #tmp_site
   set site_no = site_no + 1

  
   fetch next from auto_site_cursor into @tmp_site_no
                                                              

end

close auto_site_cursor

deallocate auto_site_cursor

drop table #tmp_site


From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep 30 14:58:56 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:58:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Questions about columns in sysobjects
In-Reply-To: <E9B1A11A598ED411B00E00508BDC9C3D0673B45A@GUARDIAN_5>
Message-ID: <000101c3878d$4dcc29b0$6501a8c0@rock>

In my database, the category column in the sysobjects table contains
these values:

0
514
2569
521
513
2050
2568
2560
3074
3
2561
512
2
516
2048
2573
2565
1
2563
517

I've looked through BOL for an explanation but can't find one.	

TIA
Arthur

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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 30 12:48:53 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:48:53 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Questions about columns in sysobjects
Message-ID: <BAY1-F1366hm8Ua8d9E0000024a@hotmail.com>

"Used for publication, constraints, and identity."

Check out:

http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/productdoc/2000/systables.asp

HTH
Billy


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Questions about columns in sysobjects
>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:58:56 -0700
>
>In my database, the category column in the sysobjects table contains
>these values:
>
>0
>514
>2569
>521
>513
>2050
>2568
>2560
>3074
>3
>2561
>512
>2
>516
>2048
>2573
>2565
>1
>2563
>517
>
>I've looked through BOL for an explanation but can't find one.
>
>TIA
>Arthur
>
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>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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>
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