From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Jul  1 10:47:42 2004
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:47:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
In-Reply-To: <200407010008.i6108aQ04424@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701104631.01744c30@pop3.highstream.net>

I made the assumption that we were talking about databases that were 
transactional and should be normalized.

At 07:08 PM 30/06/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:37:49 +0000
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <BAY1-F33SDPAJESuTei00017ebb at hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>A database could be not normalized for reporting reasons, isn't that true?
>difference between OLTP and OLAP?
>
>Billy
>
>
> >From: "Robert L. Stewart" <rl_stewart at highstream.net>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:17:41 -0500
> >
> >Francis,
> >
> >Actually the reason most databases are not fully normalized is not
> >laziness, but ignorance.  Most DBA's know nothing about normalization and
> >many developers even less.  And, yes I would make such a blanket statement.
> >
> >Robert
> >




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul  1 15:24:32 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:24:32 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
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	<40E34FE8.2020803@verizon.net>
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Francisco,

I meant mainly metadata-driven (middle-tier) components, which on-the
fly (recursively) build/execute SQL etc.etc. They are generic i.e. once
written for a given meta-model they don't need to be rewritten - just
augmented/extended...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries


> I hear what you're saying Shamil, but coding is coding at any layer.
So
> even with less resources, ie, .net or c# programmers, code must still
be
> altered even if not at the sql server, but at the gui or webservice
> layer.  These statements don't make as much sense to me as just
> modifying the logic at the source.
>
> coding w/ .net components in your sproc doesn't make them dynamic sql,
> it's like coding .COM objects in your sproc you can do it via sp_OAxxx
> but these are limited to sysadmin roles because of the major security
> risk involved.
>
> no offense either to you or to the article you posted, it's a good
> article, I just don't agree that column names justify dynamic sql.
> There are otherways of working output at the gui level if that is
ultra
> imporant.
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote On 6/30/2004 3:56 PM:
>
> >Arthur,
> >
> >Just a philosopical opinion/point of view:
> >
> >Database-centered programming for nowaday businesses are becoming
more
> >and more dynamic and constantly changing....
> >The SPs are like a "chiseled in stone" stuff.
> >And dynamic SQL is an amorphic matter, flexibly and smoothly adapting
to
> >constantly changing businesses and their business rules.
> >Please take into consideration this fact: "chiseled in stone"
DLL-Hell
> >producing COM interfaces are being substituted with .NET Framework
> >flexible architecture...
> >IMHO the similar tendence is starting to appear itself more and more
> >apparently in data(base) layer programming.
> >Here is why Application Roles (see BOL) were introduced.
> >Here is why Youkon will support smooth integration with C#/VB.NET/...
> >extended SPs which in turn will (I guess) work heavily with dynamic
> >SQL...
> >
> >And as far as I see metadata-based data access and data
> >integrity/business rules verification/support are also becoming more
and
> >more popular - and this is what is needed for the modern small and
> >middle size businesses: they urge for the broad automation of their
> >businesses because of economical and other reasons but they don't
have
> >enough resources to finance design and development and then constant
> >redesign and code rewriting/refactoring...
> >
> >And of course I'm not talking about "SPs must die" - as usual
solution
> >is somewhere in between and is a balance of many interests but for
sure
> >dynamic SQL's role isn't that  narrow as described in
>
>http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/rmarda/whendynamicsqlisusefu
l_printversion.asp -
> >the fact is that most of these samples look obsolete because they can
be
> >rewritten IMO using UDFs, XML (OpenXML) - i.e.using SPs but without
EXEC
> >I think! :)
> >
> >Just my pair of roubles,
> >Sorry in advance if I did miss the subject of this thread,
> >Shamil
> >
> >--
> >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> >Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:57 PM
> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Good example, and good reasoning, and I agree that dynamic SQL is
> >>
> >>
> >never
> >
> >
> >>out of the question. What I intended to write is that more often
than
> >>not, dynamic SQL is the lazy way out of thinking carefully about
> >>
> >>
> >sprocs.
> >
> >
> >>Most of the time it is unnecessary and costly in terms of
performance
> >>and front-end code; some of the time, there is no other way.
> >>
> >>Arthur
> >>
>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul  1 15:59:14 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:59:14 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
References: <058801c45f04$ceaa6d40$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <005501c45fae$4700a7b0$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Arthur,

Yes, I also "don't want some "power user" to load Excel and f**k with
the data!"
And in the past SPs were almost the only secure way to defend DB from
these power users.
But now MS SQL have Application Role feature(see BOL), which IMO allows
to write (server side) components in VB/C++/C#/VB.NET, which are as
secure as SPs...

> Ideally, I don't want any code that touches the database in the FE.
Same goal here.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries


> As usual, Shamil, you make excellenmt points. We are not arguing so
much
> as complementing each other's position.
>
> IMO, (and that's all it is), everything the database can do the
database
> should do. In my ideal SQL app, there would be almost no code in the
FE
> except the code that decides which sproc to fire and what to pass as
> arguments. The more code that exists in the FE, the weaker I think the
> app is. Why? Because I don't want some "power user" to load Excel and
> f**k with the data!
>
> So when I build a SQL database, NO ONE (except me and my peers) can
> touch a table. Everyone else using the system hits a sproc or view or
> UDF. End of story. I, as godlike being, can touch tables. Mere mortals
> cannot. Period. No exceptions.
>
> In practice, this means that I examine the human roles, i.e. job
specs,
> to see what the various humans in the organization are allowed to do.
I
> build roles corresponding to job specs. I generate simple sprocs for
> each op (DISU = delete/insert/select/update) on each table. Could be
> that a single form hits a number of tables, but the hits always result
> in some combination of DISU -- there are no other ops. Having built
the
> single-table DISU ops, it becomes trivial to write a sproc that hits
say
> 5 tables, inserting into 2, updating 1, and deleting from 2. Nothing
to
> it, brain-dead simple once you have the atomic pieces in place.
>
> Ideally, I don't want any code that touches the database in the FE.
Why?
> Because if we dump FE#1 (let's call it Access) and replace it with
FE#2
> (let's call it vb.net), I don't want to rewrite any database-hitting
> code. I want to fire sprocs and/or call UDFS and be done with it. So
if
> some "power user" fires up Excel and creates an ODBC hook to the
> database, he can't do anything but select (at most). Can't add, can't
> edit, can't insert, can't delete. Substitute POwerBuilder or Delphi or
> anything you want... If the only available access is via
> sprocs/views/udfs, then I'm confident that you can't trudge in and
stomp
> all over my data.
>
> Every new UI inherits the smarts in the sprocs, and nothing needs to
be
> duplicated except the calls to the sprocs/views/udfs. IMO, this way no
> code needs to be copied from one UI to another; you simply fire the
> sprocs, passing what they require. If there's a bug in the sproc you
fix
> the sproc and all apps inherit the fix -- because the logic resides in
> precisely one place -- the db, where it belongs!
>
> Ok, I stated this a little bit fundamentalist. There are exceptions,
and
> I accept them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:56 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> Just a philosopical opinion/point of view:
>
> Database-centered programming for nowaday businesses are becoming more
> and more dynamic and constantly changing.... The SPs are like a
> "chiseled in stone" stuff. And dynamic SQL is an amorphic matter,
> flexibly and smoothly adapting to constantly changing businesses and
> their business rules. Please take into consideration this fact:
> "chiseled in stone" DLL-Hell producing COM interfaces are being
> substituted with .NET Framework flexible architecture... IMHO the
> similar tendence is starting to appear itself more and more apparently
> in data(base) layer programming. Here is why Application Roles (see
BOL)
> were introduced. Here is why Youkon will support smooth integration
with
> C#/VB.NET/... extended SPs which in turn will (I guess) work heavily
> with dynamic SQL...
>
> And as far as I see metadata-based data access and data
> integrity/business rules verification/support are also becoming more
and
> more popular - and this is what is needed for the modern small and
> middle size businesses: they urge for the broad automation of their
> businesses because of economical and other reasons but they don't have
> enough resources to finance design and development and then constant
> redesign and code rewriting/refactoring...
>
> And of course I'm not talking about "SPs must die" - as usual solution
> is somewhere in between and is a balance of many interests but for
sure
> dynamic SQL's role isn't that  narrow as described in
>
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/rmarda/whendynamicsqlisuseful
> _printversion.asp - the fact is that most of these samples look
obsolete
> because they can be rewritten IMO using UDFs, XML (OpenXML) -
i.e.using
> SPs but without EXEC I think! :)
>
> Just my pair of roubles,
> Sorry in advance if I did miss the subject of this thread, Shamil
>
> --
> e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
>
>
> > Good example, and good reasoning, and I agree that dynamic SQL is
> never
> > out of the question. What I intended to write is that more often
than
> > not, dynamic SQL is the lazy way out of thinking carefully about
> sprocs.
> > Most of the time it is unnecessary and costly in terms of
performance
> > and front-end code; some of the time, there is no other way.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Billy
>
> > Pang
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 AM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> >
> >
> > oh boy, can't wait to get into this discussion :)...there is one
> example
> > I
> > can think of..  the example would be based on the physical storage
of
> > the sproc in a single db.  it is not possible for a sproc to query
> > table
> in
> > another db that the sproc does not reside in.
> >
> > To illustrate, let's say that there are three copies of the
northwind
> db
> > on
> > db server: northwind0, northwind1 and northwind2; all three have
exact
>
> > db schema;
> >
> > Your goal is to develop a report that counts number of records in
the
> > products table in each of the northwind databases.  sometimes you
may
> > only want to count records in northwind0 and northwind1 but not
> > northwind2; sometimes you may only want northwind2 and northwind1
but
> > not northwind0;
> > and sometimes you want all three northwind dbs in your count.  It is
> > possible to create a sp for each of the permutation but if a fourth
> > northwind db is introduced to the system, then the code base is
> doubled.
> >
> > The alternate solution would be to build dynamic sql to piece
together
>
> > select statement referencing tables using the [db].[owner].[table]
> > format; which tables are pieced together is based on what the user
> > selects as criteria for report.  Not elegant solution but it is a
lot
> > less code
> to
> > maintain.
> >
> > With that being said, dynamic sql is not as safe for reporting
> compared
> > to
> > sproc.
> >
> > I think what Francis is trying to get at is that it is not possible
> for
> > a
> > developer to claim that a particular "coding method" is never
needed.
> > Rather, it is more correct to state that it is not likely that a
> > particular "coding method" is ever needed.  Difference between the
> > words "impossible"
> > and "improbable".  Similiar to how a judge cannot hand out a verdict
> to
> > court case before the case is presented no matter obvious it may
seem.
> >
> > Another point of reference on this topic would be look up
"Validating
> > User Input" in BOL for best practices on this issue.
> >
> > Billy
> >
> >
> > >From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:08:54 -0400
> > >
> > >All I want is an example that cannot be coded by one or more
sprocs.
> > >
> > >Arthur
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > >Francis Harvey
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:47 AM
> > >To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
> > >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> > >
> > >
> > >Francisco,
> > >
> > >I would like to consider the opinion of someone who shares my
> namesake
> > >as seriously as possible, but in this case, I believe you suffer
from
>
> > >Arthur's problem of a lack of experience with the very specific
> > >problems I cited. It is fine to talk about not using dynamic SQL in
> > >general when using SQL Server, but just as with normalization,
there
> > >are exceptions and no one should be stating it as an absolute rule
or
>
> > >bad practice until they have reviewed the problems I mentioned.
> Again,
> > >I will state, for those particular problems, dynamic SQL is often
the
>
> > >superior solution.
> > >
> > >Also, the "scaling" issue is teetering awfully close to using FUD.
> You
> > >can always use any programming method incorrectly, but correctly
> > >written dynamic SQL does not suffer from the horrible efficiency
loss
>
> > >that not having a cached query plan would seem to imply. Similarly,
> the
> >
> > >"time spent" argument is bad logic. I don't spend less time on my
> > >dynamic SQL solutions, I spend more time because the problems are
> > >difficult. Adding more time for a static SQL solution will not
result
>
> > >in a better design or even a working design in some cases.
> > >
> > >I don't think you, Arthur or I are in disagreement over security, I
> > >just didn't like the oversimplified way security was described, so
I
> > >chose to emphasize a particular point. I think this is an important
> > >part that should be highlighted.
> > >
> > >Francis R Harvey III
> > >WB 303, (301)294-3952
> > >harveyf1 at westat.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Francisco H Tapia
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:42 PM
> > > > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and
queries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Francis,
> > > >    I respectfully agree w/ Arthur on this.  Dynamic SQL as a
rule,
>
> > > > is bad design.  Many times over you will find that there are
> > > > comparable solutions that often meet the demand much better, and
> > > > "scale" much better than that of dynamic sql.  There is no "ONE"
> > > > right way of doing things, that is the nature of this business.
> > > > However justifying dynamic sql because of some time spent on
> > > > design is imnsho incorrect.  You will
> > > > often find more times that enabling users/roles via Views/Sprocs
> and
> > > > Functions to be far superior solutions than to open wide dynamic
> > sql.
> > > >
> > > > re: security.
> > > > Of course if you deny permissions on any object the take
> precedence
> > > > over allows, this is the nature of security.  That is why you
must
>
> > > > be explicitly "SURE" when making DENY requests on any object.
NOT
> > > > giving rights to an object does not equeal REJECT.
> > > >
> > > > If I do not give a user rights to a view, under Role1, but then
> give
> >
> > > > him rights to that object via Role2.  There will be 0 issues w/
> > > > accessability.  However If by poor planning I had a "REJECT"
> > > > rights in Role1, then I'd have the issues you are stating.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Francis Harvey wrote On 6/25/2004 2:24 PM:
> > > >
> > > > >Arthur,
> > > > >
> > > > >Do some research on the basic solutions for SQL that has to
> > > > adjust for
> > > > >varying databases, conditions (dynamic search), or servers
> > > > >(different
> > >
> > > > >SQL dialects). Some designs also call for encapsulating
> > > > business logic
> > > > >outside of the data tier. In these situations, dynamic SQL is
> often
> >
> > > > >the only logical choice. I have only had to deal with dynamic
> > > > >search myself, but this is enough to convince me of its
> usefulness.
> > > > >
> > > > >Describing permissions solely as additive in nature is
> > > > incorrect. This
> > > > >is the point I was making.
> > > > >
> > > > >Francis R Harvey III
> > > > >WB 303, (301)294-3952
> > > > >harveyf1 at westat.com
> > ><snip>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Jul  1 17:11:45 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:11:45 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040702095935.00b2bb80@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

SQL2000

I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups that users 
belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means that new 
users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access to all 
the databases with permissions for the group).

Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed the SQL 
database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I use 
the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the group 
they have come in by.

EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.  egas\BillingUsers 
is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is using 
a database he has accessed it because he is a member of 
egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was used for 
egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want 
egas\BillingUsers)?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 



From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Thu Jul  1 17:44:37 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:44:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032692@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz] 
	Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM 
	To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
	
	

	SQL2000
	
	I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups that users
	belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means that new
	users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access to all
	the databases with permissions for the group).
	
	Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed the SQL
	database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I use
	the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the group
	they have come in by.
	
	EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.  egas\BillingUsers
	is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is using
	a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
	egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was used for
	egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
	egas\BillingUsers)?
	
	Regards
	
	David Emerson
	Dalyn Software Ltd
	25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
	Wellington, New Zealand
	Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
	Mobile 027-280-9348
	
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Jul  1 18:14:35 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:14:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032692@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032692@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <40E49ADB.2020109@verizon.net>

sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't 
know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is 
to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT 
groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their 
usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.


Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:

>Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz] 
>	Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM 
>	To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com 
>	Cc: 
>	Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>	
>	
>
>	SQL2000
>	
>	I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups that users
>	belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means that new
>	users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access to all
>	the databases with permissions for the group).
>	
>	Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed the SQL
>	database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I use
>	the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the group
>	they have come in by.
>	
>	EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.  egas\BillingUsers
>	is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is using
>	a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>	egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was used for
>	egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>	egas\BillingUsers)?
>	
>  
>
-- 
-Francisco




From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Jul  1 18:47:45 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:47:45 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040702114503.00b46308@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher" 
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be 
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say 200,000 
customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 



From kens.programming at verizon.net  Thu Jul  1 19:04:50 2004
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:04:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <40E49ADB.2020109@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040702000435.IMFA18566.out011.verizon.net@enterprise>

Could you use something like this?

select sg.name 
from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
	inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
where su.name = current_user

When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
member of.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group

sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't 
know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is 
to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT 
groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their 
usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.


Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:

>Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>
>	-----Original Message----- 
>	From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz] 
>	Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM 
>	To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com 
>	Cc: 
>	Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>	
>	
>
>	SQL2000
>	
>	I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
that users
>	belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
that new
>	users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access
to all
>	the databases with permissions for the group).
>	
>	Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
the SQL
>	database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I
use
>	the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
group
>	they have come in by.
>	
>	EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
egas\BillingUsers
>	is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is
using
>	a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>	egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
used for
>	egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>	egas\BillingUsers)?
>	
>  
>
-- 
-Francisco


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul  1 22:20:13 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:20:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040702114503.00b46308@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIECJCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based ones.
There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an applications
with the product yet but if it lives up to current billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is what
type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000, Oracle, MySQL
etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending on the
application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say 200,000
customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Thu Jul  1 23:26:33 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:26:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032695@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Actually, since David stated that he has added the usergroup as an SQL Server user, the sp_who should work for him
 

sp_who provides information about current Microsoft? SQL Server? users and processes (SQL Server Books Online)

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
	Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 6:14 PM 
	To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
	
	

	sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
	know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
	to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
	groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
	usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
	
	
	Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
	
	>Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
	>
	>       -----Original Message-----
	>       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
	>       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
	>       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
	>       Cc:
	>       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
	>      
	>      
	>
	>       SQL2000
	>      
	>       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups that users
	>       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means that new
	>       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access to all
	>       the databases with permissions for the group).
	>      
	>       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed the SQL
	>       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I use
	>       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the group
	>       they have come in by.
	>      
	>       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.  egas\BillingUsers
	>       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is using
	>       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
	>       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was used for
	>       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
	>       egas\BillingUsers)?
	>      
	> 
	>
	--
	-Francisco
	
	
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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Fri Jul  2 07:50:10 2004
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?utf-8?Q?Michael_Br=C3=B6sdorf?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:50:10 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032695@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHAEAKFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Dear group, 


I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL Server 2000

A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an insert-trigger, that creates a record in table B.
Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and B_ID). 

Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either immediately displays #Deleted# in every field,
or displays an old record(!).
However, the new record is created correctly. 

There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It states, that Access tries to re-select the 
new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using the ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the re-select. If it finds a record with that ID it displays that in the new row on the bound form. If it does not find it, the form displays #Deleted#.

Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return the ID of the new record in table B?

Michael



From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Fri Jul  2 08:24:44 2004
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?utf-8?Q?Michael_Br=C3=B6sdorf?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:24:44 +0200
Subject: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHAEAKFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHAEALFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Using SQL Profiler I found that Access indeed uses 'SELECT @@IDENTITY' to get the ID of the newly inserted record.
Unfortunately this will return the new ID-value from table B. 

Using Scope_Identity could solve the problem. Is there a way to tell Access or the ODBC-Driver to use Scope_Identity instead of @@INSERTED?

Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Michael Br?sdorf
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juli 2004 14:50
An: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Dear group, 


I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL Server 2000

A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an insert-trigger, that creates a record in table B.
Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and B_ID). 

Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either immediately displays #Deleted# in every field,
or displays an old record(!).
However, the new record is created correctly. 

There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It states, that Access tries to re-select the 
new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using the ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the re-select. If it finds a record with that ID it displays that in the new row on the bound form. If it does not find it, the form displays #Deleted#.

Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return the ID of the new record in table B?

Michael

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Jul  2 10:03:48 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:03:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIECJCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002d01c46045$c7378150$6601a8c0@rock>

I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Jul  2 10:05:12 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:05:12 -0400
Subject: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHAEALFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <002e01c46045$f967dd00$6601a8c0@rock>

A simple fix for this problem is to requery the form after the insert.

HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Br?sdorf
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:25 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Using SQL Profiler I found that Access indeed uses 'SELECT @@IDENTITY'
to get the ID of the newly inserted record. Unfortunately this will
return the new ID-value from table B. 

Using Scope_Identity could solve the problem. Is there a way to tell
Access or the ODBC-Driver to use Scope_Identity instead of @@INSERTED?

Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Michael Br?sdorf
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juli 2004 14:50
An: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Dear group, 


I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL Server 2000

A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an insert-trigger, that
creates a record in table B. Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and
B_ID). 

Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either immediately
displays #Deleted# in every field, or displays an old record(!).
However, the new record is created correctly. 

There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It states,
that Access tries to re-select the 
new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using the
ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the re-select. If it
finds a record with that ID it displays that in the new row on the bound
form. If it does not find it, the form displays #Deleted#.

Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return the ID of
the new record in table B?

Michael

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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Fri Jul  2 10:08:57 2004
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:08:57 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <74169B16EF9024458197A72AF4643B74045D4666@agoc-pabu-16.agoc_nt5.agoc.com>

A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is great
news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Fri Jul  2 10:30:23 2004
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:30:23 +0200
Subject: AW: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <002e01c46045$f967dd00$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHCEANFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

But that 'moves' the cursor to the first record.
I would need to find out how the user navigated out of the new record (using
the up/down-arrow-keys or by pressing enter etc.) Plus, I don't know the ID
of the new record so I don't even have a starting point??

Right now I am willing to go for an unbound form with a grid control (which
gives me better control of what is going on anyway...)

Looks like a loooong weekend of coding... :-(

Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juli 2004 17:05
An: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: RE: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


A simple fix for this problem is to requery the form after the insert.

HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Br?sdorf
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:25 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Updated: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Using SQL Profiler I found that Access indeed uses 'SELECT @@IDENTITY'
to get the ID of the newly inserted record. Unfortunately this will
return the new ID-value from table B.

Using Scope_Identity could solve the problem. Is there a way to tell
Access or the ODBC-Driver to use Scope_Identity instead of @@INSERTED?

Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Michael Br?sdorf
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juli 2004 14:50
An: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Dear group,


I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL Server 2000

A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an insert-trigger, that
creates a record in table B. Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and
B_ID).

Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either immediately
displays #Deleted# in every field, or displays an old record(!).
However, the new record is created correctly.

There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It states,
that Access tries to re-select the
new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using the
ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the re-select. If it
finds a record with that ID it displays that in the new row on the bound
form. If it does not find it, the form displays #Deleted#.

Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return the ID of
the new record in table B?

Michael

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Jul  2 10:28:42 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:28:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
In-Reply-To: <74169B16EF9024458197A72AF4643B74045D4666@agoc-pabu-16.agoc_nt5.agoc.com>
Message-ID: <003901c46049$41e0b0e0$6601a8c0@rock>

You should see my demos! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is
great news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Fri Jul  2 10:54:16 2004
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:54:16 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <74169B16EF9024458197A72AF4643B74045D46B4@agoc-pabu-16.agoc_nt5.agoc.com>

Do you have a webcam?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:29 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


You should see my demos! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is
great news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Jul  2 11:05:58 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:05:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA863128D6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Complete with ostrich feather fans?  Sally Rand was a fan dancer, not a
stripper.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:29 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


You should see my demos! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is
great news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From knicholson at gpsx.net  Fri Jul  2 11:24:29 2004
From: knicholson at gpsx.net (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:24:29 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <74169B16EF9024458197A72AF4643B74045D46E0@agoc-pabu-16.agoc_nt5.agoc.com>

You have to google her.  She did a wardrobe malfunction in 1933 or something
like that at the World's Fair.  Arthur is showing his age.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:06 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Complete with ostrich feather fans?  Sally Rand was a fan dancer, not a
stripper.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:29 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


You should see my demos! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is
great news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Thu Jul  1 18:53:41 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:53:41 -0600
Subject: Spam: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020A9A@snowmass.quiznos.net>

It's not the .adp that has to deal with the 200,000 customers, it's the SQL Server, assuming you've set it up with each user with their own copy of the FE there is no issue.

The issue that is critical is making sure you're Back End design and implementation is rock solid.

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Spam: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher" 
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be 
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say 200,000 
customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Jul  2 16:28:48 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:28:48 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050032692@outbaksrv1.outbakte
	ch.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703092804.00b3fd20@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I tried this but still got egas\David rather than the group he belongs to.

David

At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>         Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>         To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>         Cc:
>         Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>
>
>         SQL2000
>
>         I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups 
> that users
>         belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means 
> that new
>         users just need to be added to the windows group to be given 
> access to all
>         the databases with permissions for the group).
>
>         Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed 
> the SQL
>         database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
> when I use
>         the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the 
> group
>         they have come in by.
>
>         EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers 
> Group.  egas\BillingUsers
>         is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David 
> is using
>         a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>         egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was 
> used for
>         egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>         egas\BillingUsers)?
>
>         Regards
>
>         David Emerson
>         Dalyn Software Ltd
>         25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Jul  2 16:13:00 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:13:00 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040702114503.00b46308@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703091232.00b2bc90@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

David

At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>Group,
>
>A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher" 
>alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be 
>powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say 200,000 
>customers.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>Mobile 027-280-9348
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Jul  2 16:48:19 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:48:19 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <20040702000435.IMFA18566.out011.verizon.net@enterprise>
References: <40E49ADB.2020109@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703093031.00b98bf8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Ken,

Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group that 
that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).

David

At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>Could you use something like this?
>
>select sg.name
>from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>where su.name = current_user
>
>When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>member of.
>
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco H
>Tapia
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>
>
>Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>
> >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
> >
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
> >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
> >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >       Cc:
> >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
> >
> >
> >       SQL2000
> >
> >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
>that users
> >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
>that new
> >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given access
>to all
> >       the databases with permissions for the group).
> >
> >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
>the SQL
> >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when I
>use
> >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
>group
> >       they have come in by.
> >
> >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>egas\BillingUsers
> >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David is
>using
> >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
> >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
>used for
> >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
> >       egas\BillingUsers)?



From kens.programming at verizon.net  Fri Jul  2 19:50:34 2004
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:50:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703093031.00b98bf8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20040703005017.FVVQ28276.out007.verizon.net@enterprise>

David,

Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or many, I
don't know how you managed that.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group

Ken,

Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group that 
that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).

David

At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>Could you use something like this?
>
>select sg.name
>from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>where su.name = current_user
>
>When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>member of.
>
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
H
>Tapia
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>
>
>Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>
> >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
> >
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
> >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
> >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >       Cc:
> >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
> >
> >
> >       SQL2000
> >
> >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
>that users
> >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
>that new
> >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
access
>to all
> >       the databases with permissions for the group).
> >
> >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
>the SQL
> >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when
I
>use
> >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
>group
> >       they have come in by.
> >
> >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>egas\BillingUsers
> >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David
is
>using
> >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
> >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
>used for
> >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
> >       egas\BillingUsers)?

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Jul  2 21:34:45 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <20040703005017.FVVQ28276.out007.verizon.net@enterprise>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703093031.00b98bf8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040703142940.00b2b420@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Ken,

The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, the 
SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL because he 
is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login in 
SQL.  Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with 
Current_User (which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).

David

At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or many, I
>don't know how you managed that.
>
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>Ken,
>
>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group that
>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>
>David
>
>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
> >Could you use something like this?
> >
> >select sg.name
> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
> >where su.name = current_user
> >
> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
> >member of.
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
>H
> >Tapia
> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
> >
> >
> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
> >
> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
> > >
> > >       -----Original Message-----
> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > >       Cc:
> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       SQL2000
> > >
> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
> >that users
> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
> >that new
> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>access
> >to all
> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
> > >
> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
> >the SQL
> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, when
>I
> >use
> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
> >group
> > >       they have come in by.
> > >
> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
> >egas\BillingUsers
> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David
>is
> >using
> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
> >used for
> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>
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>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  3 04:31:35 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:31:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <BAY1-F32xl8z1MYQGaQ000252f4@hotmail.com>

"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?

see below..

/* -- cut here */
DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
SELECT @sys_usr
EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
/* -- cut here */

HTH
Billy


>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>
>Ken,
>
>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, the 
>SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL because he 
>is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login in SQL.  
>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with Current_User 
>(which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>
>David
>
>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>David,
>>
>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or many, 
>>I
>>don't know how you managed that.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>Emerson
>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group 
>>that
>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>> >Could you use something like this?
>> >
>> >select sg.name
>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>> >where su.name = current_user
>> >
>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>> >member of.
>> >
>> >Ken
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Francisco
>>H
>> >Tapia
>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>> >
>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>> >
>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>> > >
>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> > >       Cc:
>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >       SQL2000
>> > >
>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows 
>>groups
>> >that users
>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this 
>>means
>> >that new
>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>>access
>> >to all
>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>> > >
>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has 
>>accessed
>> >the SQL
>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
>>when
>>I
>> >use
>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not 
>>the
>> >group
>> > >       they have come in by.
>> > >
>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>> >egas\BillingUsers
>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When 
>>egas\David
>>is
>> >using
>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that 
>>was
>> >used for
>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul  4 02:50:47 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:50:47 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F32xl8z1MYQGaQ000252f4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040704194713.00b2b5d0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Tried running this in Query Analyzer.  Received error - couldn't find 
xp_logininfo. What am I missing?

David

At 3/07/2004, you wrote:
>"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?
>
>see below..
>
>/* -- cut here */
>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>SELECT @sys_usr
>EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>/* -- cut here */
>
>HTH
>Billy
>
>
>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, 
>>the SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL 
>>because he is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login 
>>in SQL.
>>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with Current_User 
>>(which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>David,
>>>
>>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
>>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
>>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or many, I
>>>don't know how you managed that.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>Emerson
>>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>
>>>Ken,
>>>
>>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group that
>>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>>> >Could you use something like this?
>>> >
>>> >select sg.name
>>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>>> >where su.name = current_user
>>> >
>>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>>> >member of.
>>> >
>>> >Ken
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
>>>H
>>> >Tapia
>>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>> >
>>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>>> >
>>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>>> > >
>>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> > >       Cc:
>>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >       SQL2000
>>> > >
>>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
>>> >that users
>>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
>>> >that new
>>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>>>access
>>> >to all
>>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>>> > >
>>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
>>> >the SQL
>>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
>>> when
>>>I
>>> >use
>>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
>>> >group
>>> > >       they have come in by.
>>> > >
>>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>>> >egas\BillingUsers
>>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David
>>>is
>>> >using
>>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
>>> >used for
>>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 03:25:21 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 08:25:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <BAY1-F293C0l8qdU0DR0006957d@hotmail.com>

xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...

/* -- cut here */
DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
SELECT @sys_usr
EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
/* -- cut here */

be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it reads:

Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the db_owner 
fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin fixed 
server role, but can be granted to other users.

HTH

Billy


>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:50:47 +1200
>
>Tried running this in Query Analyzer.  Received error - couldn't find 
>xp_logininfo. What am I missing?
>
>David
>
>At 3/07/2004, you wrote:
>>"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?
>>
>>see below..
>>
>>/* -- cut here */
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>/* -- cut here */
>>
>>HTH
>>Billy
>>
>>
>>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>>>
>>>Ken,
>>>
>>>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, 
>>>the SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL 
>>>because he is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login 
>>>in SQL.
>>>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with Current_User 
>>>(which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>David,
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers 
>>>>to
>>>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent 
>>>>roles,
>>>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or 
>>>>many, I
>>>>don't know how you managed that.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>Emerson
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>
>>>>Ken,
>>>>
>>>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group 
>>>>that
>>>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>>>
>>>>David
>>>>
>>>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>> >Could you use something like this?
>>>> >
>>>> >select sg.name
>>>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>>>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>>>> >where su.name = current_user
>>>> >
>>>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>>>> >member of.
>>>> >
>>>> >Ken
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>Francisco
>>>>H
>>>> >Tapia
>>>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>>>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>> >
>>>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I 
>>>>don't
>>>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround 
>>>>is
>>>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>>>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on 
>>>>their
>>>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are 
>>>>seeking.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>>>> >
>>>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>>>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>>>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> > >       Cc:
>>>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >       SQL2000
>>>> > >
>>>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows 
>>>>groups
>>>> >that users
>>>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this 
>>>>means
>>>> >that new
>>>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>>>>access
>>>> >to all
>>>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>>>> > >
>>>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has 
>>>>accessed
>>>> >the SQL
>>>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
>>>>when
>>>>I
>>>> >use
>>>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not 
>>>>the
>>>> >group
>>>> > >       they have come in by.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>>>> >egas\BillingUsers
>>>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When 
>>>>egas\David
>>>>is
>>>> >using
>>>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that 
>>>>was
>>>> >used for
>>>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul  4 03:00:06 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:00:06 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040704195835.00b48140@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

OK, I have found it referred to in BOL and found it in the Master 
database.  I will need to go into the client's office to set the 
permissions to enable it to be run but I think we are getting somewhere.

Thanks.

David

At 3/07/2004, you wrote:
>"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?
>
>see below..
>
>/* -- cut here */
>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>SELECT @sys_usr
>EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>/* -- cut here */
>
>HTH
>Billy
>
>
>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, 
>>the SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL 
>>because he is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login 
>>in SQL.
>>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with Current_User 
>>(which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>David,
>>>
>>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
>>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
>>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or many, I
>>>don't know how you managed that.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>Emerson
>>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>
>>>Ken,
>>>
>>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group that
>>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>>> >Could you use something like this?
>>> >
>>> >select sg.name
>>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>>> >where su.name = current_user
>>> >
>>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>>> >member of.
>>> >
>>> >Ken
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
>>>H
>>> >Tapia
>>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>> >
>>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>>> >
>>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>>> > >
>>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> > >       Cc:
>>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >       SQL2000
>>> > >
>>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows groups
>>> >that users
>>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this means
>>> >that new
>>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>>>access
>>> >to all
>>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>>> > >
>>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has accessed
>>> >the SQL
>>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
>>> when
>>>I
>>> >use
>>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not the
>>> >group
>>> > >       they have come in by.
>>> > >
>>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>>> >egas\BillingUsers
>>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When egas\David
>>>is
>>> >using
>>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that was
>>> >used for
>>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul  4 03:29:41 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:29:41 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F293C0l8qdU0DR0006957d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040704202846.00b2b5d0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks - finally found it.  Will test it out tomorrow.  Much appreciated.

Why working so late?  and on a Saturday!

David

At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
>
>/* -- cut here */
>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>SELECT @sys_usr
>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>/* -- cut here */
>
>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it reads:
>
>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the db_owner 
>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin 
>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
>
>HTH
>
>Billy
>
>
>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:50:47 +1200
>>
>>Tried running this in Query Analyzer.  Received error - couldn't find 
>>xp_logininfo. What am I missing?
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 3/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?
>>>
>>>see below..
>>>
>>>/* -- cut here */
>>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>>EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>>/* -- cut here */
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>Billy
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>>>>
>>>>Ken,
>>>>
>>>>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, 
>>>>the SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL 
>>>>because he is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login in SQL.
>>>>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with 
>>>>Current_User (which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>>>>
>>>>David
>>>>
>>>>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>David,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers to
>>>>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent roles,
>>>>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or 
>>>>>many, I
>>>>>don't know how you managed that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>Emerson
>>>>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group 
>>>>>that
>>>>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>>>>
>>>>>David
>>>>>
>>>>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>> >Could you use something like this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >select sg.name
>>>>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>>>>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>>>>> >where su.name = current_user
>>>>> >
>>>>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is a
>>>>> >member of.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Ken
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Francisco
>>>>>H
>>>>> >Tapia
>>>>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>>>>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>> >
>>>>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I don't
>>>>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround is
>>>>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>>>>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on their
>>>>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are seeking.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query Analyser?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>>>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>>>>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> > >       Cc:
>>>>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >       SQL2000
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows 
>>>>> groups
>>>>> >that users
>>>>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this 
>>>>> means
>>>>> >that new
>>>>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
>>>>>access
>>>>> >to all
>>>>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has 
>>>>> accessed
>>>>> >the SQL
>>>>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls 
>>>>> etc.  However, when
>>>>>I
>>>>> >use
>>>>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, 
>>>>> not the
>>>>> >group
>>>>> > >       they have come in by.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>>>>> >egas\BillingUsers
>>>>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When 
>>>>> egas\David
>>>>>is
>>>>> >using
>>>>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login 
>>>>> that was
>>>>> >used for
>>>>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
>>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>>>>
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>>>>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  4 04:08:23 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 09:08:23 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <BAY1-F7GVtOkncXlrme00047a70@hotmail.com>

not really working.. I am currently trying to resuscitate an old toshiba 
4005CDT laptop.  it has served me well in university 6 years ago.  now it 
won't boot up.  when it powers up, I see Toshiba welcome screen and then 
blank screen.  I won't let it go out on me.. not on my watch :)




>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:29:41 +1200
>
>Thanks - finally found it.  Will test it out tomorrow.  Much appreciated.
>
>Why working so late?  and on a Saturday!
>
>David
>
>At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
>>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
>>
>>/* -- cut here */
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>/* -- cut here */
>>
>>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it reads:
>>
>>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the db_owner 
>>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin 
>>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Billy
>>
>>
>>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:50:47 +1200
>>>
>>>Tried running this in Query Analyzer.  Received error - couldn't find 
>>>xp_logininfo. What am I missing?
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>At 3/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>"permission path" column of xp_logininfo?
>>>>
>>>>see below..
>>>>
>>>>/* -- cut here */
>>>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>>>EXEC xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>>>/* -- cut here */
>>>>
>>>>HTH
>>>>Billy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>>>>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:34:45 +1200
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem is that while egas\David is the windows login for the user, 
>>>>>the SQL login is egas\BillingUsers.  That is, the user accessed SQL 
>>>>>because he is a member of egas\BillingUsers.  egas\David is not a login 
>>>>>in SQL.
>>>>>Because egas\David is not in sysusers there is no match with 
>>>>>Current_User (which returns the windows login, not the SQL login).
>>>>>
>>>>>David
>>>>>
>>>>>At 2/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but that is only the criteria for the query.  By joining sysusers 
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>sysmembers, once to represent users and a second time to represent 
>>>>>>roles,
>>>>>>you can determine which roles a user belongs to, which may be one or 
>>>>>>many, I
>>>>>>don't know how you managed that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>Emerson
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:48 PM
>>>>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Current_user gives me the name of the user (egas\David), not the group 
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>that they were logged in as (egas\BillingUsers).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 1/07/2004, you wrote:
>>>>>> >Could you use something like this?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >select sg.name
>>>>>> >from sysusers su inner join sysmembers sm on su.uid = sm.memberuid
>>>>>> >         inner join sysusers sg on sm.groupuid = sg.uid
>>>>>> >where su.name = current_user
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >When I run this, it returns all the groups that a particular user is 
>>>>>>a
>>>>>> >member of.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Ken
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> >[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>Francisco
>>>>>>H
>>>>>> >Tapia
>>>>>> >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:15 PM
>>>>>> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >sp_who returns domain and userid not the usergroup, and in fact I 
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>> >know how to get he usergroup name within a sproc, but one workaround 
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> >to create seperate functions and assign them rights based on the NT
>>>>>> >groups, you can have the sprocs return some type of value based on 
>>>>>>their
>>>>>> >usergroup name and this will provide you with the info you are 
>>>>>>seeking.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Jeff Barrows wrote On 7/1/2004 3:44 PM:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >Have you tried:      EXECUTE sp_who       in the SQL Query 
>>>>>>Analyser?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >       -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > >       From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>>>>> > >       Sent: Thu 7/1/2004 5:11 PM
>>>>>> > >       To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> > >       Cc:
>>>>>> > >       Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >       SQL2000
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >       I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows 
>>>>>>groups
>>>>>> >that users
>>>>>> > >       belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this 
>>>>>>means
>>>>>> >that new
>>>>>> > >       users just need to be added to the windows group to be 
>>>>>>given
>>>>>>access
>>>>>> >to all
>>>>>> > >       the databases with permissions for the group).
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >       Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has 
>>>>>>accessed
>>>>>> >the SQL
>>>>>> > >       database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  
>>>>>>However, when
>>>>>>I
>>>>>> >use
>>>>>> > >       the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, 
>>>>>>not the
>>>>>> >group
>>>>>> > >       they have come in by.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >       EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
>>>>>> >egas\BillingUsers
>>>>>> > >       is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When 
>>>>>>egas\David
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> >using
>>>>>> > >       a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
>>>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login 
>>>>>>that was
>>>>>> >used for
>>>>>> > >       egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I 
>>>>>>want
>>>>>> > >       egas\BillingUsers)?
>>>>>>
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From mark at markkaren.com  Sun Jul  4 08:28:57 2004
From: mark at markkaren.com (Mark Rider)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:28:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F7GVtOkncXlrme00047a70@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200407041329.i64DTGQ29904@databaseadvisors.com>

I have a database that crunches a bunch of data and the boss wants to crunch
the data based on a totally different set of criteria.  Can't do it all on
the same DB since it takes about 6 hours to run and we need the two sets of
results as close to the same time as possible.

I have set up SQL Server on a new machine and have copied the tables I want
to use from the old SQL Server using DTS.  Permissions have been set as they
were on the old machine and the new criteria is in place.  The VB.NET
program that runs the numbers through the DB is the same as on the old one,
pointing to the local machine's database to get the data.

About halfway through the program SQL Server throws an error indicating that
there is a problem with Locking and the SQL server process has terminated.
I have tried running this from other PCs, pointing to the new SQL Server and
get the same error. Tables get created as they are supposed to, and sometime
during the Update statement the failure occurs.  The table that is getting
Updated is getting updated at first, so there does not seem to be a
permission issue there.

The main difference between the 'old' SQL Server and the 'new' one is that
the new one has 1 processor and 1 Gb RAM, while the 'old' SQL Server has 2
processors and 3 Gb RAM.   The new SQL Server runs at just about 100%
processor use for several minutes just before the error. Is the lack of
'power' causing the Lock? I have the Physical memory reserved for SQL
Server, Priority Boosted, 32 Worker threads, and dynamic memory allocation
all set up.

Is there a way to get around this locking problem?  BOL seems to indicate
that it is a memory issue, but I cannot find a way to get SQL to slow down
enough to make this work.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!

Mark Rider





From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul  4 17:12:43 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:12:43 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F293C0l8qdU0DR0006957d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040705094320.00b2b6f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

OK - getting closer.

I have a procedure in my FE like this -

     Dim cmd As ADODB.Command, strCurrentUser As String, rst As ADODB.Recordset

     'This returns the user (eg egas\david)
    Set cmd = basGetCommand("dbo.spGetCurrentUser", adCmdStoredProc)
     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@CurrUser", adVarChar, 
adParamOutput, 100)
     cmd.Execute
     strCurrentUser = cmd.Parameters("@CurrUser")

     Set cmd = basGetCommand("master..xp_logininfo", adCmdStoredProc)
     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@acctname", adVarChar, 
adParamInput, 100, strCurrentUser)
     Set rst = cmd.Execute
     basGetCurrentRole = ""
     If Not (rst.BOF Or rst.EOF) Then 'Record exist        <=  Error occurs 
here
         rst.MoveFirst
         While Not rst.EOF
             'Users should only belong to 1 login group
             If Not IsNull(rst![Permission Path]) Then basGetCurrentRole = 
rst![Permission Path]
             rst.MoveNext
         Wend
     End If

When this is run I get an error on the line above where indicated.  The 
number is 3704 - Operation is not allowed when object is closed.  Why 
should it be closed when I have just opened it?

Billy's code below works ok if run from Query Analyzer.  I have given the 
users permissions to execute master..xp_logininfo.

David

At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
>
>/* -- cut here */
>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>SELECT @sys_usr
>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>/* -- cut here */
>
>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it reads:
>
>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the db_owner 
>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin 
>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
>
>HTH
>
>Billy



From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul  4 18:26:28 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:26:28 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040705094320.00b2b6f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <BAY1-F293C0l8qdU0DR0006957d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040705112218.00b4ce58@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

More testing - I have written the following sproc -

         declare @qs nvarchar(4000)

         DELETE FROM ttmpTemporary

         SELECT @qs = '  INSERT INTO ttmpTemporary (F1)
                 SELECT Privilege
                 FROM openquery(localServer, ''exec master..xp_logininfo'')'

         EXEC (@qs)

When run from query analyzer I get the following message -

Server: Msg 7357, Level 16, State 2, Line 1
Could not process object 'exec master..xp_logininfo'. The OLE DB provider 
'SQLOLEDB' indicates that the object has no columns.
OLE DB error trace [Non-interface error:  OLE DB provider unable to process 
object, since the object has no columnsProviderName='SQLOLEDB', Query=exec 
master..xp_logininfo'].

Yet when I run "EXEC master..xp_logininfo" in Query Analyzer I get a result 
set with the columns expected in BOL.

This is starting to get urgent.

David


At 5/07/2004, you wrote:
>OK - getting closer.
>
>I have a procedure in my FE like this -
>
>     Dim cmd As ADODB.Command, strCurrentUser As String, rst As 
> ADODB.Recordset
>
>     'This returns the user (eg egas\david)
>    Set cmd = basGetCommand("dbo.spGetCurrentUser", adCmdStoredProc)
>     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@CurrUser", adVarChar, 
> adParamOutput, 100)
>     cmd.Execute
>     strCurrentUser = cmd.Parameters("@CurrUser")
>
>     Set cmd = basGetCommand("master..xp_logininfo", adCmdStoredProc)
>     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@acctname", adVarChar, 
> adParamInput, 100, strCurrentUser)
>     Set rst = cmd.Execute
>     basGetCurrentRole = ""
>     If Not (rst.BOF Or rst.EOF) Then 'Record exist        <=  Error 
> occurs here
>         rst.MoveFirst
>         While Not rst.EOF
>             'Users should only belong to 1 login group
>             If Not IsNull(rst![Permission Path]) Then basGetCurrentRole = 
> rst![Permission Path]
>             rst.MoveNext
>         Wend
>     End If
>
>When this is run I get an error on the line above where indicated.  The 
>number is 3704 - Operation is not allowed when object is closed.  Why 
>should it be closed when I have just opened it?
>
>Billy's code below works ok if run from Query Analyzer.  I have given the 
>users permissions to execute master..xp_logininfo.
>
>David
>
>At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
>>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
>>
>>/* -- cut here */
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>/* -- cut here */
>>
>>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it reads:
>>
>>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the db_owner 
>>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin 
>>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Billy
>
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>
>


From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul  5 10:00:30 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:00:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040705112218.00b4ce58@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <02a401c462a0$d0f345f0$6601a8c0@rock>

Why do you have pairs of quotes around the 'exec master..xp_logininfo'
argument? That may be the problem.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:26 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group


More testing - I have written the following sproc -

         declare @qs nvarchar(4000)

         DELETE FROM ttmpTemporary

         SELECT @qs = '  INSERT INTO ttmpTemporary (F1)
                 SELECT Privilege
                 FROM openquery(localServer, ''exec
master..xp_logininfo'')'

         EXEC (@qs)

When run from query analyzer I get the following message -

Server: Msg 7357, Level 16, State 2, Line 1
Could not process object 'exec master..xp_logininfo'. The OLE DB
provider 
'SQLOLEDB' indicates that the object has no columns.
OLE DB error trace [Non-interface error:  OLE DB provider unable to
process 
object, since the object has no columnsProviderName='SQLOLEDB',
Query=exec 
master..xp_logininfo'].

Yet when I run "EXEC master..xp_logininfo" in Query Analyzer I get a
result 
set with the columns expected in BOL.

This is starting to get urgent.

David


At 5/07/2004, you wrote:
>OK - getting closer.
>
>I have a procedure in my FE like this -
>
>     Dim cmd As ADODB.Command, strCurrentUser As String, rst As
> ADODB.Recordset
>
>     'This returns the user (eg egas\david)
>    Set cmd = basGetCommand("dbo.spGetCurrentUser", adCmdStoredProc)
>     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@CurrUser", adVarChar,
> adParamOutput, 100)
>     cmd.Execute
>     strCurrentUser = cmd.Parameters("@CurrUser")
>
>     Set cmd = basGetCommand("master..xp_logininfo", adCmdStoredProc)
>     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@acctname", adVarChar,
> adParamInput, 100, strCurrentUser)
>     Set rst = cmd.Execute
>     basGetCurrentRole = ""
>     If Not (rst.BOF Or rst.EOF) Then 'Record exist        <=  Error 
> occurs here
>         rst.MoveFirst
>         While Not rst.EOF
>             'Users should only belong to 1 login group
>             If Not IsNull(rst![Permission Path]) Then
basGetCurrentRole = 
> rst![Permission Path]
>             rst.MoveNext
>         Wend
>     End If
>
>When this is run I get an error on the line above where indicated.  The
>number is 3704 - Operation is not allowed when object is closed.  Why 
>should it be closed when I have just opened it?
>
>Billy's code below works ok if run from Query Analyzer.  I have given 
>the
>users permissions to execute master..xp_logininfo.
>
>David
>
>At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
>>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
>>
>>/* -- cut here */
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>SELECT @sys_usr
>>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>/* -- cut here */
>>
>>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it 
>>reads:
>>
>>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the 
>>db_owner
>>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin

>>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Billy
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Jul  5 14:43:36 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:43:36 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <02a401c462a0$d0f345f0$6601a8c0@rock>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040705112218.00b4ce58@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040706074225.00b2bc58@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Because openquery requires a string (see BOL).

David

At 5/07/2004, you wrote:
>Why do you have pairs of quotes around the 'exec master..xp_logininfo'
>argument? That may be the problem.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:26 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>
>More testing - I have written the following sproc -
>
>          declare @qs nvarchar(4000)
>
>          DELETE FROM ttmpTemporary
>
>          SELECT @qs = '  INSERT INTO ttmpTemporary (F1)
>                  SELECT Privilege
>                  FROM openquery(localServer, ''exec
>master..xp_logininfo'')'
>
>          EXEC (@qs)
>
>When run from query analyzer I get the following message -
>
>Server: Msg 7357, Level 16, State 2, Line 1
>Could not process object 'exec master..xp_logininfo'. The OLE DB
>provider
>'SQLOLEDB' indicates that the object has no columns.
>OLE DB error trace [Non-interface error:  OLE DB provider unable to
>process
>object, since the object has no columnsProviderName='SQLOLEDB',
>Query=exec
>master..xp_logininfo'].
>
>Yet when I run "EXEC master..xp_logininfo" in Query Analyzer I get a
>result
>set with the columns expected in BOL.
>
>This is starting to get urgent.
>
>David
>
>
>At 5/07/2004, you wrote:
> >OK - getting closer.
> >
> >I have a procedure in my FE like this -
> >
> >     Dim cmd As ADODB.Command, strCurrentUser As String, rst As
> > ADODB.Recordset
> >
> >     'This returns the user (eg egas\david)
> >    Set cmd = basGetCommand("dbo.spGetCurrentUser", adCmdStoredProc)
> >     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@CurrUser", adVarChar,
> > adParamOutput, 100)
> >     cmd.Execute
> >     strCurrentUser = cmd.Parameters("@CurrUser")
> >
> >     Set cmd = basGetCommand("master..xp_logininfo", adCmdStoredProc)
> >     cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter("@acctname", adVarChar,
> > adParamInput, 100, strCurrentUser)
> >     Set rst = cmd.Execute
> >     basGetCurrentRole = ""
> >     If Not (rst.BOF Or rst.EOF) Then 'Record exist        <=  Error
> > occurs here
> >         rst.MoveFirst
> >         While Not rst.EOF
> >             'Users should only belong to 1 login group
> >             If Not IsNull(rst![Permission Path]) Then
>basGetCurrentRole =
> > rst![Permission Path]
> >             rst.MoveNext
> >         Wend
> >     End If
> >
> >When this is run I get an error on the line above where indicated.  The
> >number is 3704 - Operation is not allowed when object is closed.  Why
> >should it be closed when I have just opened it?
> >
> >Billy's code below works ok if run from Query Analyzer.  I have given
> >the
> >users permissions to execute master..xp_logininfo.
> >
> >David
> >
> >At 4/07/2004, you wrote:
> >>xp_logininfo sproc is in master db... so try...
> >>
> >>/* -- cut here */
> >>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
> >>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
> >>SELECT @sys_usr
> >>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
> >>/* -- cut here */
> >>
> >>be aware of the execute permissions of this sproc...from bol, it
> >>reads:
> >>
> >>Execute permissions for xp_logininfo default to members of the
> >>db_owner
> >>fixed database role in the master database and members of the sysadmin
>
> >>fixed server role, but can be granted to other users.
> >>
> >>HTH
> >>
> >>Billy
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul  6 08:55:19 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:55:19 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E941@remail2.westat.com>

David,

I am catching-up after my holiday, so I probably missed something.
You tried CURRENT_USER and didn't like that, so what happened when you
tried SUSER_SNAME instead? I'm just working my way through the BOL
"Functions That Return User Names and User IDs" article which I 
assumed was your starting reference. I can setup an account to mimic
your conditions if necessary, but I was hoping you could just let us
know what the results of this function with your actual account were.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Emerson
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:12 PM
> To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> 
> 
> SQL2000
> 
> I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows 
> groups that users 
> belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this 
> means that new 
> users just need to be added to the windows group to be given 
> access to all 
> the databases with permissions for the group).
> 
> Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has 
> accessed the SQL 
> database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However, 
> when I use 
> the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not 
> the group 
> they have come in by.
> 
> EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.  
> egas\BillingUsers 
> is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When 
> egas\David is using 
> a database he has accessed it because he is a member of 
> egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that 
> was used for 
> egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want 
> egas\BillingUsers)?
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul  6 09:18:11 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:18:11 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E942@remail2.westat.com>

Michael,

I hope you didn't spend all weekend on this as there must be a better
answer then going unbound. I am guessing the KB was 275090? It would
help if we could read exactly what Microsoft wrote about the problem.
Working from that, I did a Google search and ended up with this (WFW),

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=275090+access&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=elcr
f%23VVEHA.384%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl&rnum=1

which suggests a method for recoding triggers to ensure @@IDENTITY.
Since I am just getting back to speed after the holiday, I don't
trust myself to think through whether this solves your problem. Does
this seem like a workable approach?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Michael Br?sdorf
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:50 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
> 
> 
> Dear group, 
> 
> 
> I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL 
> Server 2000
> 
> A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an 
> insert-trigger, that creates a record in table B.
> Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and B_ID). 
> 
> Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either 
> immediately displays #Deleted# in every field,
> or displays an old record(!).
> However, the new record is created correctly. 
> 
> There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It 
> states, that Access tries to re-select the 
> new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using 
> the ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the 
> re-select. If it finds a record with that ID it displays that 
> in the new row on the bound form. If it does not find it, the 
> form displays #Deleted#.
> 
> Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return 
> the ID of the new record in table B?
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul  6 09:31:46 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:31:46 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E943@remail2.westat.com>

Mark,

Since the problem seems to be the update, perhaps it would be best to
explain how this is being performed. Are you using batch, stored
procedures, ...?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Tue Jul  6 09:39:26 2004
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:39:26 +0200
Subject: AW: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E942@remail2.westat.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEDAFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Francis, THAAAANK YOU!!!

Unfortunately I already started to go unbound, but guess what: it's pain in
the.. and I am more than willing to
stay 'bound'.
That solution is so simple! However, do you have any information regarding
performance implications (a new (temp) table is created every time the
trigger fires)?


Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Francis Harvey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2004 16:18
An: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Betreff: RE: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Michael,

I hope you didn't spend all weekend on this as there must be a better
answer then going unbound. I am guessing the KB was 275090? It would
help if we could read exactly what Microsoft wrote about the problem.
Working from that, I did a Google search and ended up with this (WFW),

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=275090+access&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=elcr
f%23VVEHA.384%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl&rnum=1

which suggests a method for recoding triggers to ensure @@IDENTITY.
Since I am just getting back to speed after the holiday, I don't
trust myself to think through whether this solves your problem. Does
this seem like a workable approach?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Michael Br?sdorf
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:50 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
>
>
> Dear group,
>
>
> I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL
> Server 2000
>
> A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an
> insert-trigger, that creates a record in table B.
> Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and B_ID).
>
> Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either
> immediately displays #Deleted# in every field,
> or displays an old record(!).
> However, the new record is created correctly.
>
> There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It
> states, that Access tries to re-select the
> new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using
> the ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the
> re-select. If it finds a record with that ID it displays that
> in the new row on the bound form. If it does not find it, the
> form displays #Deleted#.
>
> Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return
> the ID of the new record in table B?
<snip>
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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Tue Jul  6 09:54:17 2004
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:54:17 +0200
Subject: AW: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEDAFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHEEDBFKAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

A little update:

I modified the stored proc a little:


CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[SP_Reset_IDENTITY]
(@intID as int)

AS

DECLARE  @strSQL varchar(50)

set nocount on --not doing this can confuse Access ADPs as well

SET @strSQL=N'SELECT Identity (Int, ' + Cast(@intID As
Varchar(20)) + ',
1) AS id INTO #Tmp'

EXECUTE (@strSQL)
GO

The trigger would then look like this:
...
Declare @intSPT_ID int

-- Remember SPT_ID
select @intSPT_ID=SPT_ID from inserted

--All the processing affecting @@INSERTED is done here
...

--Reset @@IDENTITY
exec imisSP_Reset_IDENTITY @intSPT_ID
...

The reason is that the processing of the trigger can take some time and
other users
might insert new records in between, messing up the values in
IDENT_CURRENT()

Michael



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Michael Br?sdorf
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2004 16:39
An: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: AW: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Francis, THAAAANK YOU!!!

Unfortunately I already started to go unbound, but guess what: it's pain in
the.. and I am more than willing to
stay 'bound'.
That solution is so simple! However, do you have any information regarding
performance implications (a new (temp) table is created every time the
trigger fires)?


Michael

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Francis Harvey
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2004 16:18
An: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Betreff: RE: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)


Michael,

I hope you didn't spend all weekend on this as there must be a better
answer then going unbound. I am guessing the KB was 275090? It would
help if we could read exactly what Microsoft wrote about the problem.
Working from that, I did a Google search and ended up with this (WFW),

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=275090+access&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=elcr
f%23VVEHA.384%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl&rnum=1

which suggests a method for recoding triggers to ensure @@IDENTITY.
Since I am just getting back to speed after the holiday, I don't
trust myself to think through whether this solves your problem. Does
this seem like a workable approach?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Michael Br?sdorf
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:50 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
>
>
> Dear group,
>
>
> I have a problem with my Access2000-App. The Backend is SQL
> Server 2000
>
> A bound form is linked to Table A. Table A has an
> insert-trigger, that creates a record in table B.
> Both tables have an ID-Field (A_ID and B_ID).
>
> Whenever I save a new record in the bound form, it either
> immediately displays #Deleted# in every field,
> or displays an old record(!).
> However, the new record is created correctly.
>
> There's a knowledgebase article, describing that problem. It
> states, that Access tries to re-select the
> new record using the ID value. It looks like that it is using
> the ID-value of table B instead that of table A to do the
> re-select. If it finds a record with that ID it displays that
> in the new row on the bound form. If it does not find it, the
> form displays #Deleted#.
>
> Is there any way to tell the trigger on table A not to return
> the ID of the new record in table B?
<snip>
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From mark at markkaren.com  Tue Jul  6 10:05:27 2004
From: mark at markkaren.com (Mark Rider)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:05:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E943@remail2.westat.com>
Message-ID: <200407061505.i66F5mQ03909@databaseadvisors.com>

The Update is being done in a SQL statement from VB.Net.  The basic
procedure is as follows:

1) Import the raw Stock data from a text file (DTS Import)
2) Loop through the raw data and create a temp table for each Stock,
including Time, Stock Name and Price
3) Create a Master table with a column for each stock and one for the Time
4) Update the Master Table to hold the Price for each Time for each Stock

This gives me a table that I can then manipulate as needed to get the values
for any given Stock and Time.  All tables are created from within the VB.NET
program, so I am pretty sure it is not a permissions issue.  The actual
update statement is:

UPDATE TempMaster  SET
MarketArray(i) =  tmpi.AveragePrice FROM tmpi , TempMaster
WHERE tmpi.quoteDate = TempMaster.quoteDate

The variable "i" is set in the program, and the necessary punctuation has
been removed for ease of reading. quoteDate is a smalldatetime in all
tables. MarketArray(i) is the Stock Symbol - varchar(5). AveragePrice id a
decimal.

This same program runs fine when I point to the original database - it is
only on the 'new' DB Server that it has problems.

Thanks for the help!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francis
Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue

Mark,

Since the problem seems to be the update, perhaps it would be best to
explain how this is being performed. Are you using batch, stored procedures,
...?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul  6 11:58:32 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:58:32 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E941@remail2.westat.co m>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040707042050.00b2baf0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Francis,

This also returns egas\david which is the Windows user.  I am after 
egas\BillingManager which is the windows group that egas\david belongs to 
which is the login.

I am close.  Here is the latest -

Billy Pang provided me with the following:

DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr

When this is run in Query Analyser I get the correct recordset with a 
column called Permission Path.  This has the data in it (in this case 
'egas\BillingManager').

I want to turn this into a sproc which returns the value of Permission 
Path.  What I have so far is -

ALTER PROCEDURE dbo.spGetCurrentUser

DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100), @qs nvarchar(4000)
SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr

When run the sproc from query analyzer I get the recordset.  Now, how do I 
change the sproc so that it returns the value of the permission path column?

David


At 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>I am catching-up after my holiday, so I probably missed something.
>You tried CURRENT_USER and didn't like that, so what happened when you
>tried SUSER_SNAME instead? I'm just working my way through the BOL
>"Functions That Return User Names and User IDs" article which I
>assumed was your starting reference. I can setup an account to mimic
>your conditions if necessary, but I was hoping you could just let us
>know what the results of this function with your actual account were.
>
>Francis R Harvey III
>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>harveyf1 at westat.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Emerson
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:12 PM
> > To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
> >
> > SQL2000
> >
> > I am using Windows Authentication.  I have set up Windows
> > groups that users
> > belong to.  These groups are set up in SQL as logins (this
> > means that new
> > users just need to be added to the windows group to be given
> > access to all
> > the databases with permissions for the group).
> >
> > Within my ADP I need to find out what login the user has
> > accessed the SQL
> > database from so that I can show/hide controls etc.  However,
> > when I use
> > the CURRENT_USER variable in a Sproc it returns the user, not
> > the group
> > they have come in by.
> >
> > EG - egas\David is a member of egas\BillingUsers Group.
> > egas\BillingUsers
> > is set up as a login in SQL (egas\David is not).  When
> > egas\David is using
> > a database he has accessed it because he is a member of
> > egas\BillingUsers.  Is there a way to find out the login that
> > was used for
> > egas\David to get in (CURRENT_USER returns egas\David, I want
> > egas\BillingUsers)?
><snip>
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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul  6 15:15:30 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:15:30 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E947@remail2.westat.com>

David,

Anything wrong with the normal method of creating a temporary table
to hold the stored procedure results and then selecting what you want?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Emerson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:59 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> 
<snip>
> Now, how do I 
> change the sproc so that it returns the value of the 
> permission path column?
> 
> David
<snip>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Jul  6 15:38:44 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:38:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OT-Alternative Front Ends
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C6F9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I don't have to google her.  Billy Rose mounted  (you should pardon the
expression) the production and there was a naughty rhyme at the time
about the two of them, perhaps a Dorothy Parker gem.  I wasn't born yet
but I've read a lot about that era and I've seen publicity pictures of
Sally, complete with huge ostrich feather fans which she used to more or
less cover herself during her dance.  Janet Jackson could have learned a
lot from Sally. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:knicholson at gpsx.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


You have to google her.  She did a wardrobe malfunction in 1933 or
something like that at the World's Fair.  Arthur is showing his age.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:06 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Complete with ostrich feather fans?  Sally Rand was a fan dancer, not a
stripper.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:29 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


You should see my demos! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


A Stripper?  Your programming theory is based on a stripper?  This is
great news, not the stripper, the performance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:04 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


I have an ADP that hits a SQL database with approximately 50K customers,
most of which have only a few orders, while most of the orders have
about 5 details. No problems. Granted, I rely heavily on sprocs to
deliver the data, as well as what I call the Sally Rand principle.
(Sally was a famous stripper way back when, who coined the phrase, "Show
them just enough to maintain their interest." I try to emulate that
principle in my designs. I.e., I show one form displaying only a list of
company names; select one and then I make visible the subform that shows
the details of said customer. Many examples like this; the point is,
read in as little data as possible, then wait for a user action.)

Strictly for testing purposes, I have created a db called BIG that
contains 1M parent rows, 10M child rows and 100M grandchild rows.
Relationships are declared and autoForm was used to generate the forms
that talk to these tables. I then modified the parent form to include a
"finder" on the header that accepts a few letters of the company name,
then executes a sproc that performs a LIKE command. The performance is
excellent.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence (AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:20 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Hi David:

There are FEs that are designed to handle more clients like web based
ones. There is a trade off as they are slower and do not have as many
features.

The new vb.net have the capability to be the FE, data web connection and
sever side database interface. I have not actually created an
applications with the product yet but if it lives up to current
billing...

An Access FE will work with hundreds of customers. The main issue is
what type of BE do you have. It would have to be a SQL DB; SQL2000,
Oracle, MySQL etc. on a server or severs of significant power, depending
on the application. That volume of data is far beyond an Access MDB.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:48 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Alternative Front Ends


Group,

A company I am contracting to what to know if there are any "higher"
alternatives to Access adp's.  They are concerned that Access may not be
powerful enough to handle databases with monthly accounts for say
200,000 customers.

Any comments?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul  6 16:57:33 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:57:33 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E94A@remail2.westat.com>

Michael,

I can't really add anything to the caveats about temporary tables from
sql-server-performance.com. I use temporary tables all the time, but
in a trigger... If you do decide to use it, let us know how your
performance turns out.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Michael Br?sdorf
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:39 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: AW: [dba-SQLServer] #Deleted-Problem (Cross-posted)
> 
> 
> Francis, THAAAANK YOU!!!
> 
> Unfortunately I already started to go unbound, but guess 
> what: it's pain in
> the.. and I am more than willing to
> stay 'bound'.
> That solution is so simple! However, do you have any 
> information regarding
> performance implications (a new (temp) table is created every time the
> trigger fires)?
<snip>


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul  6 16:58:49 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E947@remail2.westat.co m>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040707094927.00b2bbe0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Francis,

That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the sproc.  The 
following doesn't work -

SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo

Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."

David

At 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Anything wrong with the normal method of creating a temporary table
>to hold the stored procedure results and then selecting what you want?
>
>Francis R Harvey III
>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>harveyf1 at westat.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Emerson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:59 PM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
><snip>
> > Now, how do I
> > change the sproc so that it returns the value of the
> > permission path column?
> >
> > David
><snip>
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 20:31:58 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:31:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <BAY1-F18pmk29qFAUiJ00086251@hotmail.com>

perhaps sql server thinks that xp_logininfo is a table in the select 
statement quoted in your email.

if you want to store results from sproc, create a temp table and then put 
sproc after the insert statement..

using the sp_who as an example...

/* cut here */
CREATE TABLE #TT
(
spid varchar(100),
ecid varchar(100),status varchar(100), loginame varchar(100),
hostname varchar(100), blk varchar(100),dbname varchar(100),
cmd varchar(100)
)
go
insert into #TT
EXEC sp_who
go
select spid from #tt
go
DROP TABLE #TT
go

/* cut here */


>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
>
>Francis,
>
>That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the sproc.  The 
>following doesn't work -
>
>SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo
>
>Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."
>
>David
>
>At 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>>David,
>>
>>Anything wrong with the normal method of creating a temporary table
>>to hold the stored procedure results and then selecting what you want?
>>
>>Francis R Harvey III
>>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>>harveyf1 at westat.com
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> > Of David Emerson
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:59 PM
>> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>> >
>><snip>
>> > Now, how do I
>> > change the sproc so that it returns the value of the
>> > permission path column?
>> >
>> > David
>><snip>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Jul  7 13:49:57 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:49:57 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040707121311.017f1690@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200407071700.i67H0sQ19349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040708064908.00b2b870@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Robert but that produces "Incorrect syntax near the keyword 'exec'." 
error

David

At 7/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Just a WAG here, but I think you might be able to do this...
>
>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100), @qs nvarchar(4000)
>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>SELECT @qs = (exec master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr)
>
>At 12:00 PM 07/07/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:58:32 +1200
>>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040707042050.00b2baf0 at mail.dalyn.co.nz>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Thanks Francis,
>>
>>This also returns egas\david which is the Windows user.  I am after
>>egas\BillingManager which is the windows group that egas\david belongs to
>>which is the login.
>>
>>I am close.  Here is the latest -
>>
>>Billy Pang provided me with the following:
>>
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>
>>When this is run in Query Analyser I get the correct recordset with a
>>column called Permission Path.  This has the data in it (in this case
>>'egas\BillingManager').
>>
>>I want to turn this into a sproc which returns the value of Permission
>>Path.  What I have so far is -
>>
>>ALTER PROCEDURE dbo.spGetCurrentUser
>>
>>DECLARE @sys_usr varchar(100), @qs nvarchar(4000)
>>SET @sys_usr = SYSTEM_USER
>>EXEC master..xp_logininfo @sys_usr
>>
>>When run the sproc from query analyzer I get the recordset.  Now, how do I
>>change the sproc so that it returns the value of the permission path column?
>>
>>David
>
>
>



From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Wed Jul  7 14:13:22 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:13:22 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E952@remail2.westat.com>

David,

Sorry, I hope you weren't waiting for a better approach from me.
Billy's example is exactly what I had in mind for you to use
with xp_logininfo.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Billy Pang
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:32 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> 
> 
> perhaps sql server thinks that xp_logininfo is a table in the select 
> statement quoted in your email.
> 
> if you want to store results from sproc, create a temp table 
> and then put 
> sproc after the insert statement..
> 
> using the sp_who as an example...
> 
> /* cut here */
> CREATE TABLE #TT
> (
> spid varchar(100),
> ecid varchar(100),status varchar(100), loginame varchar(100),
> hostname varchar(100), blk varchar(100),dbname varchar(100),
> cmd varchar(100)
> )
> go
> insert into #TT
> EXEC sp_who
> go
> select spid from #tt
> go
> DROP TABLE #TT
> go
> 
> /* cut here */
> 
> 
> >From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
> >
> >Francis,
> >
> >That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the 
> sproc.  The 
> >following doesn't work -
> >
> >SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo
> >
> >Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."
> >
> >David
<snip>


From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Jul  7 14:16:27 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:16:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
In-Reply-To: <200407041329.i64DTGQ29904@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200407041329.i64DTGQ29904@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <40EC4C0B.3040601@verizon.net>

Locking issues are generated due to a table or set of rows being 
reserved for a previous purpose.  If in your report you are creating 
temp databases then it is very possible that the temp DB is locked 
during the attempt to create a new temp table.

This happens mostly when you have a long query such as


SELECT * INTO #TempTable FROM SomeTable WHERE blah = @variable

To avoid this try creating the temp table first

CREATE TABLE #TempTable (Field1 Varchar(25), Field2 INT, Field3 DateTIME)

INSERT INTO #TempTable (Field1, Feild2, Field3)
   SELECT Field1, Field2, Field3 From Some Table Where blah = @variable

This should aliviate the problem w/ a locking tempdb, if you problem 
stems from some other set of code, perhaps providing some generalities 
of your code so we can disect and inspect what is happening under the hood.


BTW, you can open up EM and see which process is doing the locking too. 
look under your current activity icon in the Management folder.


Mark Rider wrote On 7/4/2004 6:28 AM:

>I have a database that crunches a bunch of data and the boss wants to crunch
>the data based on a totally different set of criteria.  Can't do it all on
>the same DB since it takes about 6 hours to run and we need the two sets of
>results as close to the same time as possible.
>
>I have set up SQL Server on a new machine and have copied the tables I want
>to use from the old SQL Server using DTS.  Permissions have been set as they
>were on the old machine and the new criteria is in place.  The VB.NET
>program that runs the numbers through the DB is the same as on the old one,
>pointing to the local machine's database to get the data.
>
>About halfway through the program SQL Server throws an error indicating that
>there is a problem with Locking and the SQL server process has terminated.
>I have tried running this from other PCs, pointing to the new SQL Server and
>get the same error. Tables get created as they are supposed to, and sometime
>during the Update statement the failure occurs.  The table that is getting
>Updated is getting updated at first, so there does not seem to be a
>permission issue there.
>
>The main difference between the 'old' SQL Server and the 'new' one is that
>the new one has 1 processor and 1 Gb RAM, while the 'old' SQL Server has 2
>processors and 3 Gb RAM.   The new SQL Server runs at just about 100%
>processor use for several minutes just before the error. Is the lack of
>'power' causing the Lock? I have the Physical memory reserved for SQL
>Server, Priority Boosted, 32 Worker threads, and dynamic memory allocation
>all set up.
>
>Is there a way to get around this locking problem?  BOL seems to indicate
>that it is a memory issue, but I cannot find a way to get SQL to slow down
>enough to make this work.
>
>Any ideas will be greatly appreciated!
>
>Mark Rider
>
>  
>


-- 
-Francisco




From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul  7 18:33:33 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:33:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F18pmk29qFAUiJ00086251@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <010a01c4647a$d1b05b00$6601a8c0@rock>

You could also rewrite the sproc as a table UDF, which might be a little
cleaner. Just a matter of opinion, I suppose.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
Pang
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:32 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group


perhaps sql server thinks that xp_logininfo is a table in the select 
statement quoted in your email.

if you want to store results from sproc, create a temp table and then
put 
sproc after the insert statement..

using the sp_who as an example...

/* cut here */
CREATE TABLE #TT
(
spid varchar(100),
ecid varchar(100),status varchar(100), loginame varchar(100), hostname
varchar(100), blk varchar(100),dbname varchar(100), cmd varchar(100)
)
go
insert into #TT
EXEC sp_who
go
select spid from #tt
go
DROP TABLE #TT
go

/* cut here */


>From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
>
>Francis,
>
>That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the sproc.  
>The
>following doesn't work -
>
>SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo
>
>Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."
>
>David
>
>At 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>>David,
>>
>>Anything wrong with the normal method of creating a temporary table to

>>hold the stored procedure results and then selecting what you want?
>>
>>Francis R Harvey III
>>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>>harveyf1 at westat.com
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> > David Emerson
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:59 PM
>> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>> >
>><snip>
>> > Now, how do I
>> > change the sproc so that it returns the value of the permission 
>> > path column?
>> >
>> > David
>><snip>
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 22:30:46 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:30:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
Message-ID: <BAY1-F19Q0Puz63Bma40000151a@hotmail.com>

it is true that it would be cleaner but it is not possible to use "exec 
sproc" as source when inserting a table variable nor will they let you use 
temporary tables within functions.

Billy

>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:33:33 -0400
>
>You could also rewrite the sproc as a table UDF, which might be a little
>cleaner. Just a matter of opinion, I suppose.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:32 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
>
>
>perhaps sql server thinks that xp_logininfo is a table in the select
>statement quoted in your email.
>
>if you want to store results from sproc, create a temp table and then
>put
>sproc after the insert statement..
>
>using the sp_who as an example...
>
>/* cut here */
>CREATE TABLE #TT
>(
>spid varchar(100),
>ecid varchar(100),status varchar(100), loginame varchar(100), hostname
>varchar(100), blk varchar(100),dbname varchar(100), cmd varchar(100)
>)
>go
>insert into #TT
>EXEC sp_who
>go
>select spid from #tt
>go
>DROP TABLE #TT
>go
>
>/* cut here */
>
>
> >From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
> >
> >Francis,
> >
> >That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the sproc.
> >The
> >following doesn't work -
> >
> >SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo
> >
> >Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."
> >
> >David
> >
> >At 6/07/2004, you wrote:
> >>David,
> >>
> >>Anything wrong with the normal method of creating a temporary table to
>
> >>hold the stored procedure results and then selecting what you want?
> >>
> >>Francis R Harvey III
> >>WB 303, (301)294-3952
> >>harveyf1 at westat.com
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> >> > David Emerson
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:59 PM
> >> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >> >
> >><snip>
> >> > Now, how do I
> >> > change the sproc so that it returns the value of the permission
> >> > path column?
> >> >
> >> > David
> >><snip>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Jul  8 18:45:46 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:45:46 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E952@remail2.westat.co m>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040709114257.00b4c008@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Billy and Francis (any anyone else who helped).  I finally got it 
working using Billy's code below.

David

At 7/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Sorry, I hope you weren't waiting for a better approach from me.
>Billy's example is exactly what I had in mind for you to use
>with xp_logininfo.
>
>Francis R Harvey III
>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>harveyf1 at westat.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of Billy Pang
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:32 PM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> >
> >
> > perhaps sql server thinks that xp_logininfo is a table in the select
> > statement quoted in your email.
> >
> > if you want to store results from sproc, create a temp table
> > and then put
> > sproc after the insert statement..
> >
> > using the sp_who as an example...
> >
> > /* cut here */
> > CREATE TABLE #TT
> > (
> > spid varchar(100),
> > ecid varchar(100),status varchar(100), loginame varchar(100),
> > hostname varchar(100), blk varchar(100),dbname varchar(100),
> > cmd varchar(100)
> > )
> > go
> > insert into #TT
> > EXEC sp_who
> > go
> > select spid from #tt
> > go
> > DROP TABLE #TT
> > go
> >
> > /* cut here */
> >
> >
> > >From: David Emerson <davide at dalyn.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Finding current login group
> > >Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:58:49 +1200
> > >
> > >Francis,
> > >
> > >That is my intention but how do I get the recordset from the
> > sproc.  The
> > >following doesn't work -
> > >
> > >SELECT Permission_Path FROM master..xp_logininfo
> > >
> > >Error message is "Invalid object name 'master..xp_logininfo'."
> > >
> > >David
><snip>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Jul  9 03:56:03 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri,  9 Jul 2004 10:56:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Installing SQL Server 7.0
Message-ID: <1960719.1089363363693.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
 
I have a development server on which I used to run SQL Server 7.0 the server has Windows 2000 on it and was recently re-installed.  I re-installed SQL Server 7.0 and now can?t connect to it.  I?m sure I have installed as I have done before but must be missing something.  Has anyone any ideas what it could be, or a site which can guide me through the whole setup process again.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Paul Hartland

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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Fri Jul  9 10:04:04 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:04:04 -0400 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E964@remail2.westat.com>

Mark,

My first inclination is to suggest a redesign of the Master table. I
can't imagine how assigning each stock its own column could provide
enough of a performance improvement over just creating a single
properly indexed stock column to identify the stock for the current
row. Then, you would only need to append your individual stock
tables to this single master table. If you need the flattened table
for reporting, this would then be done by running a pivot on the
master table to create a reporting table. I use this approach in one
of my databases.

Ignoring this, I have to assume that the temp table for each stock is
excessively large. Rather than do a whole temp table in a single
update, I would break up the temp tables into smaller updates 
(perhaps using a criteria on time to divide updates into smaller
pieces) to reduce the number of locks that would be needed for each
update.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Mark Rider
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Locking Issue
> 
> 
> The Update is being done in a SQL statement from VB.Net.  The basic
> procedure is as follows:
> 
> 1) Import the raw Stock data from a text file (DTS Import)
> 2) Loop through the raw data and create a temp table for each Stock,
> including Time, Stock Name and Price
> 3) Create a Master table with a column for each stock and one 
> for the Time
> 4) Update the Master Table to hold the Price for each Time 
> for each Stock
> 
> This gives me a table that I can then manipulate as needed to 
> get the values
> for any given Stock and Time.  All tables are created from 
> within the VB.NET
> program, so I am pretty sure it is not a permissions issue.  
> The actual
> update statement is:
> 
> UPDATE TempMaster  SET
> MarketArray(i) =  tmpi.AveragePrice FROM tmpi , TempMaster
> WHERE tmpi.quoteDate = TempMaster.quoteDate
> 
> The variable "i" is set in the program, and the necessary 
> punctuation has
> been removed for ease of reading. quoteDate is a smalldatetime in all
> tables. MarketArray(i) is the Stock Symbol - varchar(5). 
> AveragePrice id a
> decimal.
> 
> This same program runs fine when I point to the original 
> database - it is
> only on the 'new' DB Server that it has problems.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 13:26:03 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:26:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E96E@remail2.westat.com>

Billy,

As you suggest, you could do a stored procedure for each permutation
in your example, but this is unrealistic. However, you could have one
stored procedure which would fill a temporary table with the necessary
counts based on a parameter value list using IF statements.

Your summary isn't quite right. I am not stating that one should not
say certain "coding methods" are never needed. I am sure there are
techniques that you would never get to agree to use. I am stating
that there are a known group of problems for which dynamic sql is
often, but not always, the best solution.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Billy Pang
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:57 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> 
> 
> oh boy, can't wait to get into this discussion :)...there is 
> one example I 
> can think of..  the example would be based on the physical 
> storage of the 
> sproc in a single db.  it is not possible for a sproc to 
> query table in 
> another db that the sproc does not reside in.
> 
> To illustrate, let's say that there are three copies of the 
> northwind db on 
> db server: northwind0, northwind1 and northwind2; all three 
> have exact db 
> schema;
> 
> Your goal is to develop a report that counts number of records in the 
> products table in each of the northwind databases.  sometimes 
> you may only 
> want to count records in northwind0 and northwind1 but not 
> northwind2; 
> sometimes you may only want northwind2 and northwind1 but not 
> northwind0; 
> and sometimes you want all three northwind dbs in your count.  It is 
> possible to create a sp for each of the permutation but if a fourth 
> northwind db is introduced to the system, then the code base 
> is doubled.
> 
> The alternate solution would be to build dynamic sql to piece 
> together 
> select statement referencing tables using the 
> [db].[owner].[table] format; 
> which tables are pieced together is based on what the user selects as 
> criteria for report.  Not elegant solution but it is a lot 
> less code to 
> maintain.
> 
> With that being said, dynamic sql is not as safe for 
> reporting compared to 
> sproc.
> 
> I think what Francis is trying to get at is that it is not 
> possible for a 
> developer to claim that a particular "coding method" is never 
> needed.  
> Rather, it is more correct to state that it is not likely 
> that a particular 
> "coding method" is ever needed.  Difference between the words 
> "impossible" 
> and "improbable".  Similiar to how a judge cannot hand out a 
> verdict to 
> court case before the case is presented no matter obvious it may seem.
> 
> Another point of reference on this topic would be look up 
> "Validating User 
> Input" in BOL for best practices on this issue.
> 
> Billy
<snip>


From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 11 13:53:19 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:53:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <BAY1-F1NF44VEm0Gcr80000c9f6@hotmail.com>

See below:

>Your summary isn't quite right. I am not stating that one should not
>say certain "coding methods" are never needed. I am sure there are
>techniques that you would never get to agree to use.

Oops, sorry about that.  Didn't mean to put your words in your mouth :) My 
apologies.

Billy

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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 14:19:48 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:19:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E96F@remail2.westat.com>

Arthur,

Your opinion is not the issue, the way in which you present it is.
Whether you are personally ignorant or not, your posts on this topic
have failed to display much evidence of being aware of the subtleties
of the issue although you have not shied from making bold sweeping
statements without suitable caveats. Reviewing some of your posts,

"Dynamic SQL is NOT the way to go once you port to SQL Server. You
need to rethink all these parts of your app and replace them with
sprocs that can handle all the parms you might pass to your
SQL-construction code."

"NO users except sa (and possibly developers) should have access to
any SQL table. Everything should be done with views or sprocs or
UDFs. No exceptions."

"I haven't yet seen a case where dynamic SQL is necessary. All it
takes to avoid it is one or more well-constructed sprocs, IMO."

Given your most recent comment to Billy,

"Good example, and good reasoning, and I agree that dynamic SQL is
never out of the question."

should I assume that you were never ignorant of an example of a good
use for dynamic SQL but just decided to post your claims as if there
were no reasonable uses anyway or should I assume as you state in
your last post that you were ignorant. Note, I do not care in whether
reading the posts from David Lewis or myself on how Billy's problem
could be done without using dynamic sql changes your opinion back
to no dynamic sql usage again. I just challenge you to question
whether you really think you have sufficiently researched this topic
to make the kind of claims you originally made. At the least, for
those who read your statements to gain knowledge of the subject, if
you truly are aware of the issues as you state, you might consider
mentioning them in your post. BTW, feel free to requote yourself
in more detail if you think you are taken out of context, but I
think you will fail to find any qualifications you added to your
statements.

Your example for different problems with different SQL dialects is
actually rather interesting. You present the problems with insisting
on no dynamic sql quite well but don't state this is another valid
example where dynamic sql may be the only choice. As you have proved
the case for usage, I am certainly not going to argue with you.

I have no real way of knowing whether you understand dynamic search
from your example, but I will be fair and state my references, so you
can be sure I do. Working with Sommarskog's dynamic sql summary,
http://www.sommarskog.se/dyn-search.html#dynsql, I move to section
"Using Static SQL" and try to find your example. You seem to be
referring to "Using IF statements" which is cute, but I immediately
class myself out of this problem as I do not have just a few primary
search parameters. Wrapping the alternatives is, as he says an
acceptable variation, but it doesn't change the fact that I can't
use this approach.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:09 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> 
> 
> You have a backhanded way of calling me ignorant. In many ways and in
> many areas I am ignorant, but just because I hold an opinion that
> differs from yours, that's no reason for you to assume that I 
> am unaware
> of the issues you raise. I worked on a project for ABB which 
> relied on a
> database comprising over 400 tables and ran in both Oracle and SQL
> Server. Both versions used sprocs of the same name. Where there were
> differences in syntax, they were encapsulated in the sprocs. From the
> viewpoint of the various Front End modules, it didn't matter which
> database you were talking to. The FE had virtually no knowledge of the
> back end flavour, other than the connection. Now, granted, should ABB
> decide suddenly to support MySQL, and given MySQL's limited support of
> sprocs, well then there is a problem. Any fool can recognize 
> that -- but
> substitute Access for MySQL and you have the same problem. This is
> beneath discussion.
> 
> Regarding dynamic search, I have done at least one form that 
> presents 25
> controls and invokes one sproc that in turn invokes others, 
> depending on
> which parameters are null. No problem there. Add a control later in
> development, I change a sproc and maybe add another few. No problem
> there either.
> 
> Does this constitute research into the issues involved?
> 
> Arthur
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 14:33:49 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:33:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] RE: Difference between views and queries (Bil
	ly Pang)
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E970@remail2.westat.com>

David,

Okay, let's make this example a little more difficult and see if we
can't find something outside a system table. Let's say the table is
now the order details table, and Billy needs quartile values of unit
price from each Northwind database.  I didn't say it would be a good
example. Anyway, I'm still stuck appending things to my temp table if
I want to keep static SQL. As I didn't even think of your approach
when Billy first suggested his example, I am really curious what your
approach would be.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:26 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Cc: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] RE: Difference between views and 
> queries (Billy Pang)
> 
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> Regarding Billy Pang's comment:
> 
> > .  it is not possible for a sproc to 
> > query table in 
> > another db that the sproc does not reside in.
> 
> you note later in your comment that the syntax 
> [db].[objectowner].[objectname] will make the above possible.
> So, to avoid dynamic sql for the problem you've posed one 
> could do the following:
> 
> 1) if the number/names of the databases is not static, the 
> user interface (let's assume it is web based) could query the 
> server or servers and build a list of all available databases.
> 
> 2) if the tables to be examined are another variable, the 
> next step would be to present a list of [db]..[tablename] 
> from each database selected.
> 
> 3)a comma delimited string of 
> [database].[objectowner].[tablename] could be delivered to a 
> sproc, which would then parse it (a udf can accomplish this, 
> or it could be done directly in the sproc), after which  the 
> appropriate system tables could be queried.
> 
> This is not to say that dynamic sql is never necessary, but I 
> think the above approach would allow one to avoid it (if that 
> was the goal) for the problem you've posed.
> 
> P.S. I think Billy's question has made the dynamic sql vs. 
> stored procedures topic practical.  It was beginning to get a 
> touch dogmatic, and, dare I say it, personal ...  :)
> 
> 
> Kind regards to all.  D. Lewis
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 15:07:51 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:07:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E971@remail2.westat.com>

Francisco,

This is almost scary, "terms that have nothing to do w/ SQL Server". I
don't know whether to feel pity or just despair. Seriously Francisco,
you've moved from accusing me of never posting my search terms despite
having requoted them in your own post, having had two initial reposts
and then a final third just for you, to classifying them as having
nothing to do with SQL Server. Seeing as how others have not had
any problem relating these concepts to SQL Server, I guess I will
just assume it's you.

Francisco, you still don't get the point of a straw man argument. Read
your own comments. As you say, my opinion on dynamic sql was made,

"w/o any backing and then expecting everyone else to look it up"

Exactly, up till that point, you could certainly accuse me of
laziness or making unsupported claims but not of distorting the
other side's position because I didn't bother to make any arguments
at all for either side. Your attempts to get me to defend your 
pathetic example of a suitable sproc for dynamic sql certainly is a
straw man argument. I doubt you even felt that was the best example
for debate. If you did, well, hence the research suggestion.

Okay, I'll agree this latest example isn't a straw man example,
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/rmarda/whendynamics
qlisuseful_printversion.asp

although I don't agree with all the justifications either. However,
I know what my objections are and to be fair here is my reference
http://www.sommarskog.se/dynamic_sql.html, specifically, the 
"Common Cases when to (Not) Use Dynamic SQL" sections that
correspond to each example. What do you find to be a far stretch
exactly? I myself am having trouble with example #1; I know
there is something wrong with it, but I am so used to having
Sommarskog's article to rely on for all the bad examples that I
can't quite get it yet. I guess I'd still be willing to defend
it, for now, but you have to be a little more specific with your
objections.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Francisco H Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:56 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
> 
> 
> Yet you keep arguing that it is possible for a need for 
> Dynamic SQL. :), 
> w/o any backing and then expecting everyone else to look it up, 
> including terms that have nothing to do w/ SQL Server, 
> perhaps you need 
> a link for strawman.  It's sad really, but here's the link if 
> you need one.
> 
> Straw Man
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
> Dynamic vs Static
> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/rmarda/whendynamics
qlisuseful_printversion.asp

in this basic argument (you may need a free registration w/ Sql Server 
Central to read the article).
it is a far stretch just to justify the use of dynamic sql.
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 15:15:40 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:15:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E972@remail2.westat.com>

Robert,

Fine, I'll restrict myself to the members of this list, as these posts
in fact are. If someone posted a problem where it was obvious there
database was non-normalized, would you just issue a blanket statement
accusing them of being lazy or would you ask why? As we have just had
a locking issue post illustrating this situation, this is not just a
possible  scenario. I did suggest Mark might normalize his database,
but I didn't just assume it wasn't done because of laziness nor did I
issue a blanket condemnation. I find that to be the true laziness.
Just ask why, or if providing guidelines on proper database creation,
suggest there may be exceptions even if you don't list them.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Robert L. Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
> 
> 
> Francis,
> 
> Actually the reason most databases are not fully normalized is not 
> laziness, but ignorance.  Most DBA's know nothing about 
> normalization and 
> many developers even less.  And, yes I would make such a 
> blanket statement.
> 
> Robert
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Sun Jul 11 15:21:10 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:21:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E973@remail2.westat.com>

Robert,

Before I start another topic, let's be clear. Are you saying that
there is no usage for denormalized design in a transcationsal database
or are you just saying it is unlikely in general? Again, I would take
exception to the "should be normalized" if you are making a blanket
statement for all transactional database, but not if you were to say
in general or with possible exceptions.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Robert L. Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:48 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Difference between views and queries
> 
> 
> I made the assumption that we were talking about databases that were 
> transactional and should be normalized.
<snip>


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 11 15:42:41 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:42:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
References: <001c01c44f08$a5d922a0$7e01a8c0@colbyws>
Message-ID: <40F1A641.1020506@shaw.ca>

jwcolby wrote:

>Can anyone explain the difference between a view and a query?  Views use a
>query, plus the view keyword.  I have a couple of books that I have read the
>chapter on Views, but I so far haven't managed to "get" why you wouldn't
>just use the query itself instead of turning it into a view.
>
>  
>
Interestingly ADOX catalogs describes Access queries as Type  VIEW

Sub testa()
'Declare a reference to an ADOX Catalog Object
Dim cat1 As New ADOX.Catalog
Dim cnn1 As ADODB.Connection
Dim c As Object
Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
Set cnn1 = New ADODB.Connection

cnn1.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
           "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
          
'cnn1.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
'           "Data Source=(local);" & _
'           "Initial Catalog=Pubs;" & _
'           "User Id=sa;" & _
'           "Password="

'Open an ADO Connection Object
'Assign the connection to the catalog
cat1.ActiveConnection = cnn1

'Loop through the tables in the catalog
Dim str1 As String
Dim tbl1 As ADOX.Table
For Each tbl1 In cat1.Tables
Debug.Print tbl1.Type & "-"; tbl1.Name
  If tbl1.Type = "TABLE" Then
     str1 = str1 & tbl1.Name & vbCr
    
  End If
Next
Debug.Print str1

End Sub
 

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Jul 12 13:56:08 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:56:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
References: <001c01c44f08$a5d922a0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> <40F1A641.1020506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001901c46841$e6cfaf70$0201a8c0@PARIS>

> jwcolby wrote:
>Can anyone explain the difference between a view and a query?
Are you talking about MS SQL 2000 views?
If yes, then here is what you can do with views and cannot with just
T-SQL queries:

- views can be indexed - these indexes use statistics, these statistics
could be updated - so with views you can fine tune performance of the
data querying;
- views may have triggers - you can use such (instead of insert/update)
triggers to insert into/update very tricky views, which can't be updated
using plain update queries;
- views can use WITH CHECK OPTION to prevernt inconsistent updates;
- views can use SCHEMABINDING option by thus preventing deletion of the
veiws/tables they are defined on before deletion of these queries;
- views can be partitioned within one of several data files/servers -
this allows advanced perfomance tuning...
....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries


> jwcolby wrote:
>
> >Can anyone explain the difference between a view and a query?  Views
use a
> >query, plus the view keyword.  I have a couple of books that I have
read the
> >chapter on Views, but I so far haven't managed to "get" why you
wouldn't
> >just use the query itself instead of turning it into a view.
> >
> >
> >
> Interestingly ADOX catalogs describes Access queries as Type  VIEW
>
> Sub testa()
> 'Declare a reference to an ADOX Catalog Object
> Dim cat1 As New ADOX.Catalog
> Dim cnn1 As ADODB.Connection
> Dim c As Object
> Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
> Set cnn1 = New ADODB.Connection
>
> cnn1.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
>            "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft
> Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
>
> 'cnn1.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
> '           "Data Source=(local);" & _
> '           "Initial Catalog=Pubs;" & _
> '           "User Id=sa;" & _
> '           "Password="
>
> 'Open an ADO Connection Object
> 'Assign the connection to the catalog
> cat1.ActiveConnection = cnn1
>
> 'Loop through the tables in the catalog
> Dim str1 As String
> Dim tbl1 As ADOX.Table
> For Each tbl1 In cat1.Tables
> Debug.Print tbl1.Type & "-"; tbl1.Name
>   If tbl1.Type = "TABLE" Then
>      str1 = str1 & tbl1.Name & vbCr
>
>   End If
> Next
> Debug.Print str1
>
> End Sub
>
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Mon Jul 12 18:36:55 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:36:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020AE6@snowmass.quiznos.net>

Hi,

I have a daily fixed width text file that I need to produce and I am currently generating it via VBA code, but am trying to post it to a SQL Job.  I have it set up to output to the proper file, the problem is that at the top of the file there is header info that I need to eliminate.  It looks like the following:

Job 'VPP' : Step 1, 'Create File' : Began Executing 2114-17-12 17:31:31

OutputLine                                                                      
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  813             212111132122111119987 111446349317132114                      
  813             212111132122111119988 111619832817132114  

Starting with the 813 is the data that I need in there, everything above needs to go, does anyone know how to do this?

Also, what other methods are people using to generate Text files from T-SQL?

Thanks,
Chris Mackin


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Jul 13 03:06:56 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:06:56 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File
References: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020AE6@snowmass.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <000701c468b0$5f57aa10$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Christopher,

You can use bcp - here is a sample(watch line wraps) of one step T-SQL
job:

-- dropping temp table
if exists (select * from tempdb.dbo.sysobjects where name = '##T1')
   drop table [dbo].[##T1]
go
-- creating temp table
CREATE TABLE ##T1 ( column_1 int, column_2 nvarchar(30))
INSERT ##T1 VALUES (1, 'Row #1')
INSERT ##T1 VALUES (2, 'Row #2')
INSERT ##T1 VALUES (3, 'Row #3')
go
-- bcp-ing temp table data
master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp ##T1 out
d:\temp\export\temp_T1.txt -c -C850 -SYOUR_SERVER_NAME -T'
go

HTH,
Shamil

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From: "Mackin, Christopher" <CMackin at Quiznos.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:36 AM
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File


> Hi,
>
> I have a daily fixed width text file that I need to produce and I am
currently generating it via VBA code, but am trying to post it to a SQL
Job.  I have it set up to output to the proper file, the problem is that
at the top of the file there is header info that I need to eliminate.
It looks like the following:
>
> Job 'VPP' : Step 1, 'Create File' : Began Executing 2114-17-12
17:31:31
>
> OutputLine
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>   813             212111132122111119987 111446349317132114
>   813             212111132122111119988 111619832817132114
>
> Starting with the 813 is the data that I need in there, everything
above needs to go, does anyone know how to do this?
>
> Also, what other methods are people using to generate Text files from
T-SQL?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Mackin
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 12:38:41 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:38:41 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File
Message-ID: <BAY1-F24NKpuQZmq9Lw0002cb36@hotmail.com>

Also, not sure if this is useful to you but QA can output results to text 
file on local machine without column headers... from QA, press CTNL+SHFT+F 
all at once when you execute a query and it will prompt for file name.

Billy


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:06:56 +0400
>
>Christopher,
>
>You can use bcp - here is a sample(watch line wraps) of one step T-SQL
>job:
>
>-- dropping temp table
>if exists (select * from tempdb.dbo.sysobjects where name = '##T1')
>    drop table [dbo].[##T1]
>go
>-- creating temp table
>CREATE TABLE ##T1 ( column_1 int, column_2 nvarchar(30))
>INSERT ##T1 VALUES (1, 'Row #1')
>INSERT ##T1 VALUES (2, 'Row #2')
>INSERT ##T1 VALUES (3, 'Row #3')
>go
>-- bcp-ing temp table data
>master..xp_cmdshell 'bcp ##T1 out
>d:\temp\export\temp_T1.txt -c -C850 -SYOUR_SERVER_NAME -T'
>go
>
>HTH,
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mackin, Christopher" <CMackin at Quiznos.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:36 AM
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Output to Text File
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a daily fixed width text file that I need to produce and I am
>currently generating it via VBA code, but am trying to post it to a SQL
>Job.  I have it set up to output to the proper file, the problem is that
>at the top of the file there is header info that I need to eliminate.
>It looks like the following:
> >
> > Job 'VPP' : Step 1, 'Create File' : Began Executing 2114-17-12
>17:31:31
> >
> > OutputLine
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------
> >   813             212111132122111119987 111446349317132114
> >   813             212111132122111119988 111619832817132114
> >
> > Starting with the 813 is the data that I need in there, everything
>above needs to go, does anyone know how to do this?
> >
> > Also, what other methods are people using to generate Text files from
>T-SQL?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris Mackin
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 13 22:34:38 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:34:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F23WNWxBwQZcdp00014e43@hotmail.com>

Hello:

I am wondering, is possible to propogate the values of primary key into a 
foreign key of another table from a view insert.

To illustrate, please see following illustration:

/* ---- cut here ---- */

use tempdb
go
begin tran
set nocount on
go
create table tablea(tablea_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
tablea_value varchar(50)
);
go

create table tableb(tableb_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
tableb_tablea_id int constraint fk_tableb_tablea_id foreign key references 
tablea(tablea_id),
tableb_value varchar(50)
);
go
create view dd1 as
select tablea_id, tablea_value, tableb_id, tableb_value from tablea inner 
join tableb on tablea_id = tableb_tablea_id
go
insert into dd1(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('eee1b','eee1b');

/* above insert results with "Server: Msg 4405, Level 16, State 2, Line 1" 
*/

/* View or function 'dd1' is not updatable because the modification affects 
multiple base tables. */
go
rollback;
/* ---- cut here ---- */

In the above example, tableb has tablea_id fk.  I have a view that joins 
those two tables together.  When a record is insert into the view, I would 
like it to automatically populate both tablea and tableb (yes, that includes 
having the tableb_table_id column populated with the value of the tablea_id 
column that was just created).  Sometimes, the insert statement that 
populates the view might use a SELECT as a source.  Can this be done 
(without using a db cursor)?

thanks in advance

Billy

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Jul 14 03:04:51 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
Message-ID: <16440074.1089792291431.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

To all,
 
Hope someone can come up with a solution, I have SQL Server 7.0 running on a Windows 2000 server I also have two of my own database?s that I have just finished transferring to SQL Server.  But before I start any front-end work I decided to use a maintenance plan using the wizard, have just checked the backup directory where the backups should be and nothing there at all and the backups don?t seem to be anywhere else.
 
Why would a maintenance plan not run, anything I can do to check what happening. 
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 03:58:01 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:58:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
Message-ID: <BAY1-F17rrKJ0gfZe5c0000c0a7@hotmail.com>

perhaps the security login context does not allow the maintenance plans to 
execute. not sure about ss7.0 but check the sql server agent job history 
logs to find anything suspicous.


>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 +0200 (CEST)
>
>To all,
>
>Hope someone can come up with a solution, I have SQL Server 7.0 running on 
>a Windows 2000 server I also have two of my own database?s that I have just 
>finished transferring to SQL Server.  But before I start any front-end work 
>I decided to use a maintenance plan using the wizard, have just checked the 
>backup directory where the backups should be and nothing there at all and 
>the backups don?t seem to be anywhere else.
>
>Why would a maintenance plan not run, anything I can do to check what 
>happening.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Paul Hartland
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Jul 14 04:33:12 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:33:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
Message-ID: <5883147.1089797592192.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Thanks, will have a look at that.
Paul





Message date : Jul 14 2004, 10:00 AM
>From : "Billy Pang" 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
perhaps the security login context does not allow the maintenance plans to 
execute. not sure about ss7.0 but check the sql server agent job history 
logs to find anything suspicous.


>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver 
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 +0200 (CEST)
>
>To all,
>
>Hope someone can come up with a solution, I have SQL Server 7.0 running on 
>a Windows 2000 server I also have two of my own database?s that I have just 
>finished transferring to SQL Server. But before I start any front-end work 
>I decided to use a maintenance plan using the wizard, have just checked the 
>backup directory where the backups should be and nothing there at all and 
>the backups don?t seem to be anywhere else.
>
>Why would a maintenance plan not run, anything I can do to check what 
>happening.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Paul Hartland
>
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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Wed Jul 14 08:55:24 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:55:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020AF8@snowmass.quiznos.net>

You can look at the Jobs and verify the schedule the parts of the plan should be running on and some other info you can verify.

-Chris Mackin

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:33 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans


Thanks, will have a look at that.
Paul





Message date : Jul 14 2004, 10:00 AM
>From : "Billy Pang" 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
perhaps the security login context does not allow the maintenance plans to 
execute. not sure about ss7.0 but check the sql server agent job history 
logs to find anything suspicous.


>From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver 
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Maintenance Plans
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:04:51 +0200 (CEST)
>
>To all,
>
>Hope someone can come up with a solution, I have SQL Server 7.0 running on 
>a Windows 2000 server I also have two of my own database's that I have just 
>finished transferring to SQL Server. But before I start any front-end work 
>I decided to use a maintenance plan using the wizard, have just checked the 
>backup directory where the backups should be and nothing there at all and 
>the backups don't seem to be anywhere else.
>
>Why would a maintenance plan not run, anything I can do to check what 
>happening.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Paul Hartland
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 14 10:30:20 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:30:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries
In-Reply-To: <001901c46841$e6cfaf70$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <012201c469b7$799c3af0$6601a8c0@rock>

Just a followup to Shamil's concise list of cool things about views.
Indexed views provide pretty dramatic performance increases, but not
without cost. Inserts and updates are slower, so they are best used with
tables that are updated/added to relatively rarely. This does not mean
that they should be used only with lookup tables. Some transaction
applications rarely update data once it's in, and don't do huge volumes
of inserts either. Best to check performance on a copy of the real
database first, just to see what the cost is going to be.

I just wrote a piece about using Instead Of triggers to make
un-updatable views updatable. It should appear soon in a e-zine near you
:)

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:56 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries


> jwcolby wrote:
>Can anyone explain the difference between a view and a query?
Are you talking about MS SQL 2000 views?
If yes, then here is what you can do with views and cannot with just
T-SQL queries:

- views can be indexed - these indexes use statistics, these statistics
could be updated - so with views you can fine tune performance of the
data querying;
- views may have triggers - you can use such (instead of insert/update)
triggers to insert into/update very tricky views, which can't be updated
using plain update queries;
- views can use WITH CHECK OPTION to prevernt inconsistent updates;
- views can use SCHEMABINDING option by thus preventing deletion of the
veiws/tables they are defined on before deletion of these queries;
- views can be partitioned within one of several data files/servers -
this allows advanced perfomance tuning... ....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Difference between views and queries


> jwcolby wrote:
>
> >Can anyone explain the difference between a view and a query?  Views
use a
> >query, plus the view keyword.  I have a couple of books that I have
read the
> >chapter on Views, but I so far haven't managed to "get" why you
wouldn't
> >just use the query itself instead of turning it into a view.
> >
> >
> >
> Interestingly ADOX catalogs describes Access queries as Type  VIEW
>
> Sub testa()
> 'Declare a reference to an ADOX Catalog Object
> Dim cat1 As New ADOX.Catalog
> Dim cnn1 As ADODB.Connection
> Dim c As Object
> Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
> Set cnn1 = New ADODB.Connection
>
> cnn1.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
>            "Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft 
> Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb;"
>
> 'cnn1.Open "Provider=sqloledb;" & _
> '           "Data Source=(local);" & _
> '           "Initial Catalog=Pubs;" & _
> '           "User Id=sa;" & _
> '           "Password="
>
> 'Open an ADO Connection Object
> 'Assign the connection to the catalog
> cat1.ActiveConnection = cnn1
>
> 'Loop through the tables in the catalog
> Dim str1 As String
> Dim tbl1 As ADOX.Table
> For Each tbl1 In cat1.Tables
> Debug.Print tbl1.Type & "-"; tbl1.Name
>   If tbl1.Type = "TABLE" Then
>      str1 = str1 & tbl1.Name & vbCr
>
>   End If
> Next
> Debug.Print str1
>
> End Sub
>
>
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Jul 14 14:15:55 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:15:55 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
References: <BAY1-F23WNWxBwQZcdp00014e43@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c469d6$fe934a40$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Billy,

I think that "Instead of Insert" trigger should help you to do the
trick.

Shamil

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From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:34 AM
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


> Hello:
>
> I am wondering, is possible to propogate the values of primary key
into a
> foreign key of another table from a view insert.
>
> To illustrate, please see following illustration:
>
> /* ---- cut here ---- */
>
> use tempdb
> go
> begin tran
> set nocount on
> go
> create table tablea(tablea_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
> tablea_value varchar(50)
> );
> go
>
> create table tableb(tableb_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
> tableb_tablea_id int constraint fk_tableb_tablea_id foreign key
references
> tablea(tablea_id),
> tableb_value varchar(50)
> );
> go
> create view dd1 as
> select tablea_id, tablea_value, tableb_id, tableb_value from tablea
inner
> join tableb on tablea_id = tableb_tablea_id
> go
> insert into dd1(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('eee1b','eee1b');
>
> /* above insert results with "Server: Msg 4405, Level 16, State 2,
Line 1"
> */
>
> /* View or function 'dd1' is not updatable because the modification
affects
> multiple base tables. */
> go
> rollback;
> /* ---- cut here ---- */
>
> In the above example, tableb has tablea_id fk.  I have a view that
joins
> those two tables together.  When a record is insert into the view, I
would
> like it to automatically populate both tablea and tableb (yes, that
includes
> having the tableb_table_id column populated with the value of the
tablea_id
> column that was just created).  Sometimes, the insert statement that
> populates the view might use a SELECT as a source.  Can this be done
> (without using a db cursor)?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Billy
>
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Jul 14 14:22:10 2004
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
Message-ID: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C0DCC57@MAIL1.cce.local>

In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that
field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I want
dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax
convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, when
I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a date, so I
have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's together.  Can I
have this format and still keep it as a date field so it will sort
correctly?  

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568




From kens.programming at verizon.net  Wed Jul 14 14:49:33 2004
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:49:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
In-Reply-To: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C0DCC57@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <20040714194855.SUS27801.out008.verizon.net@enterprise>

Susan,

Someone on here once gave me this option (sorry I don't remember who it was,
but he/she was someone smarter than me).

	CONVERT(datetime, FLOOR(CONVERT(REAL, YourDate)))

Hope this helps.

Ken

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Geller
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:22 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type

In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that
field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I want
dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax
convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, when
I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a date, so I
have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's together.  Can I
have this format and still keep it as a date field so it will sort
correctly?  

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Wed Jul 14 14:54:24 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:54:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020B00@snowmass.quiznos.net>

If you do all your formatting on the report or form that your users use you can avoid that problem.
Alternatively, add another field that has the real date in it and sort by that.

-Chris Mackin

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Geller
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:22 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type


In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that
field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I want
dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax
convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, when
I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a date, so I
have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's together.  Can I
have this format and still keep it as a date field so it will sort
correctly?  

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 14 16:24:14 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:24:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F27bttyDE8IqpF0003d080@hotmail.com>

how?  the "instead of insert" trigger can insert a record into tablea first 
but how can I get the tablea_id of the records just inserted and insert 
those values into tableb_tablea_id column?

thanks in advance,
Billy


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:15:55 +0400
>
>Billy,
>
>I think that "Instead of Insert" trigger should help you to do the
>trick.
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:34 AM
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am wondering, is possible to propogate the values of primary key
>into a
> > foreign key of another table from a view insert.
> >
> > To illustrate, please see following illustration:
> >
> > /* ---- cut here ---- */
> >
> > use tempdb
> > go
> > begin tran
> > set nocount on
> > go
> > create table tablea(tablea_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
> > tablea_value varchar(50)
> > );
> > go
> >
> > create table tableb(tableb_id int not null identity(1,1) primary key,
> > tableb_tablea_id int constraint fk_tableb_tablea_id foreign key
>references
> > tablea(tablea_id),
> > tableb_value varchar(50)
> > );
> > go
> > create view dd1 as
> > select tablea_id, tablea_value, tableb_id, tableb_value from tablea
>inner
> > join tableb on tablea_id = tableb_tablea_id
> > go
> > insert into dd1(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('eee1b','eee1b');
> >
> > /* above insert results with "Server: Msg 4405, Level 16, State 2,
>Line 1"
> > */
> >
> > /* View or function 'dd1' is not updatable because the modification
>affects
> > multiple base tables. */
> > go
> > rollback;
> > /* ---- cut here ---- */
> >
> > In the above example, tableb has tablea_id fk.  I have a view that
>joins
> > those two tables together.  When a record is insert into the view, I
>would
> > like it to automatically populate both tablea and tableb (yes, that
>includes
> > having the tableb_table_id column populated with the value of the
>tablea_id
> > column that was just created).  Sometimes, the insert statement that
> > populates the view might use a SELECT as a source.  Can this be done
> > (without using a db cursor)?
> >
> > thanks in advance
> >
> > Billy
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Jul 14 17:07:52 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:07:52 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
In-Reply-To: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C0DCC57@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <40F63B58.9639.E47A3@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Jul 2004 at 14:22, Susan Geller wrote:

> In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that
> field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I want
> dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax
> convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, when
> I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a date, so I
> have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's together.  Can I
> have this format and still keep it as a date field so it will sort
> correctly?  
> 

What sort of a query?  If it's an Access query, draw the field as a date from 
the table  and set the Format property of the field in the query design grid.

If you don't need to sort dynamically,  select the converted date but sort on 
the actual date field.



 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.





From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Jul 15 02:22:39 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:52:39 +0930
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Crosstabs - Pivots
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3ADA1@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Greetings all.  The infamous crosstab question!

I've managed to get the data I require in the following format

JOB     LEDGER   BALANCE
0862	04PRA	    68444.85
0862	04PRB	    44783.0
0915	04PRA	    5092.0
0915	04PRB	    46000.0
1045	04PRA	    5400.0
1045	04PRB	    5400.0

How can I transform it to this:
JOB      04PRA        04PRB
0862     68444.85   44783.0
0915     5092.0       46000.0
1045     54000.0     5400.0


A few samples on the net show you how to do it, but they all require a
numeric value to pivot on so you can use an aggregate function.

I don't want to aggregate anything - just transform (pivot) them...

Thanks in advance

Andrew

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 15 03:40:36 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:40:36 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Crosstabs - Pivots
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3ADA1@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <40F6CFA4.26499.205C0AD@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Jul 2004 at 16:52, Haslett, Andrew wrote:

> Greetings all.  The infamous crosstab question!
> 
> A few samples on the net show you how to do it, but they all require a
> numeric value to pivot on so you can use an aggregate function.
> 

Must use an aggregate function, but it doesn't have to be numeric,  just use  
Min().

 
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Thu Jul 15 13:28:16 2004
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:28:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
Message-ID: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C0DCC74@MAIL1.cce.local>

Actually, what I'm doing is trying to make data easier for users to work
with.  I have built an application with a very complex normalized data
model which people are using. They want to be able to get at the data,
do their own queries.  They have LOW level Access skills.  In general, a
table join is above their skill level.  So, I am writing a bunch of
views that denormalize the data.  The views are in SQL Server.  I then
have an Access database mdb file that links to those views.  Users can
create their own queries based on these views.  I wanted to get rid of
the timestamp on the date field values because that is not useful to
them, but I want them to be able to sort by any of the many date fields
that are in a single view.  I didn't want them to have to use functions
to display the dates correctly.  I realize I could give them each date
field twice -- once in a nice format and once to use for sorting, but
the views already have so many fields in them that I hate to duplicate
data just for this purpose.  But, so far I haven't come up with an
alternative.

--Susan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:08 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type

On 14 Jul 2004 at 14:22, Susan Geller wrote:

> In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that

> field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I 
> want dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax 
> convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, 
> when I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a 
> date, so I have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's 
> together.  Can I have this format and still keep it as a date field so

> it will sort correctly?
> 

What sort of a query?  If it's an Access query, draw the field as a date
from the table  and set the Format property of the field in the query
design grid.

If you don't need to sort dynamically,  select the converted date but
sort on the actual date field.



 
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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Thu Jul 15 13:44:12 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:44:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020B07@snowmass.quiznos.net>

You can just create an Access query with the SQL view as the data source and format the date fields to m/d/yyy in that query and let the users hit that one to roll their own.

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Geller
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:28 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type


Actually, what I'm doing is trying to make data easier for users to work
with.  I have built an application with a very complex normalized data
model which people are using. They want to be able to get at the data,
do their own queries.  They have LOW level Access skills.  In general, a
table join is above their skill level.  So, I am writing a bunch of
views that denormalize the data.  The views are in SQL Server.  I then
have an Access database mdb file that links to those views.  Users can
create their own queries based on these views.  I wanted to get rid of
the timestamp on the date field values because that is not useful to
them, but I want them to be able to sort by any of the many date fields
that are in a single view.  I didn't want them to have to use functions
to display the dates correctly.  I realize I could give them each date
field twice -- once in a nice format and once to use for sorting, but
the views already have so many fields in them that I hate to duplicate
data just for this purpose.  But, so far I haven't come up with an
alternative.

--Susan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:08 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type

On 14 Jul 2004 at 14:22, Susan Geller wrote:

> In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that

> field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I 
> want dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax 
> convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, 
> when I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a 
> date, so I have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's 
> together.  Can I have this format and still keep it as a date field so

> it will sort correctly?
> 

What sort of a query?  If it's an Access query, draw the field as a date
from the table  and set the Format property of the field in the query
design grid.

If you don't need to sort dynamically,  select the converted date but
sort on the actual date field.



 
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Jul 15 14:52:23 2004
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Date field type
In-Reply-To: <200407151712.i6FHCgQ23991@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040715145136.0181c208@pop3.highstream.net>

Susan,

Why not sort on the unconverted column and not include it in the result set?

Robert

At 12:12 PM 15/07/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:22:10 -0500
>From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Date field type
>To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C0DCC57 at MAIL1.cce.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>In my sql server 2000 table, I have a date field.  When I display that
>field in a query it displays as yyyy-mm-dd and then a timestamp.  I want
>dd/mm/yyyy and no time.  I converted it using this syntax
>convert(varchar, milestone_dt, 101)  and I get what I want, EXCEPT, when
>I try to sort by that field, it sorts as a varchar, not as a date, so I
>have all my January's together instead of all my 2004's together.  Can I
>have this format and still keep it as a date field so it will sort
>correctly?
>
>--Susan




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul 15 15:04:28 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:04:28 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
References: <BAY1-F27bttyDE8IqpF0003d080@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c46aa6$f38a50a0$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Here is a sample, Billy:

/// tables
CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblOrder] (
 [ordID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
 [ordDate] [datetime] NOT NULL ,
 [custId] [int] NOT NULL ,
 [ordCurTotal] [money] NULL
) ON [PRIMARY]
GO

CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblOrderItem] (
 [oitID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
 [ordId] [int] NOT NULL ,
 [prodId] [int] NOT NULL ,
 [oitAmount] [int] NOT NULL
) ON [PRIMARY]
GO

CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblProduct] (
 [prodID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
 [prodName] [varchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT
NULL ,
 [prodCurPrice] [money] NOT NULL ,
 [prodCategoryID] [int] NULL
) ON [PRIMARY]
GO

/// view
CREATE VIEW dbo.qselOrder
AS
SELECT     o.ordDate, o.custId, o.ordCurTotal, p.prodName,
p.prodCurPrice, i.oitAmount
FROM         dbo.tblOrder o INNER JOIN
                      dbo.tblOrderItem i ON o.ordID = i.ordId INNER JOIN
                      dbo.tblProduct p ON i.prodId = p.prodID

// instead of insert trigger

-- 
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
///////

CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
INSTEAD OF INSERT
AS
declare @ordID int, @prodId int

Set NoCount On

-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
(
   [prodName]
 , [prodCurPrice]
)
select
   prodName
 , prodCurPrice
from inserted

Set @prodID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
(
   [ordDate]
 , [custId]
 , [ordCurTotal]
)
select
   ordDate
 , custId
 , ordCurTotal
from inserted

Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
(
   [ordId]
 , [prodId]
 , [oitAmount]
)
select
   @ordId
 , @prodId
 , oitAmount
from inserted
-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////

Set NoCount Off

HTH,
Shamil

P.S. See BOL for more details...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


> how?  the "instead of insert" trigger can insert a record into tablea
first
> but how can I get the tablea_id of the records just inserted and
insert
> those values into tableb_tablea_id column?
>
> thanks in advance,
> Billy
>



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 16:18:36 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:18:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F37O6y5e1y5zGo0004c168@hotmail.com>

Hi Shamil:

Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based on the 
assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one at a time; if 
insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then the 
tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.

Using below example as example, execute the following insert statements:

<--- cut here --->
insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, 
oitAmount)
values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)

insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, 
oitAmount)
select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount from 
qselOrder

insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, 
oitAmount)
select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount from 
qselOrder
<--- cut here --->

assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will insert four 
records into tblorder table as expected and four records into tblorderitems 
table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table does not 
have any related records in tblorderitems.

One way around this problem is to load the values within the "inserted" 
pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary table and 
loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am wondering if there 
is another way.

sincerely,
Billy


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:04:28 +0400
>
>Here is a sample, Billy:
>
>/// tables
>CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblOrder] (
>  [ordID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
>  [ordDate] [datetime] NOT NULL ,
>  [custId] [int] NOT NULL ,
>  [ordCurTotal] [money] NULL
>) ON [PRIMARY]
>GO
>
>CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblOrderItem] (
>  [oitID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
>  [ordId] [int] NOT NULL ,
>  [prodId] [int] NOT NULL ,
>  [oitAmount] [int] NOT NULL
>) ON [PRIMARY]
>GO
>
>CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblProduct] (
>  [prodID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
>  [prodName] [varchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NOT
>NULL ,
>  [prodCurPrice] [money] NOT NULL ,
>  [prodCategoryID] [int] NULL
>) ON [PRIMARY]
>GO
>
>/// view
>CREATE VIEW dbo.qselOrder
>AS
>SELECT     o.ordDate, o.custId, o.ordCurTotal, p.prodName,
>p.prodCurPrice, i.oitAmount
>FROM         dbo.tblOrder o INNER JOIN
>                       dbo.tblOrderItem i ON o.ordID = i.ordId INNER JOIN
>                       dbo.tblProduct p ON i.prodId = p.prodID
>
>// instead of insert trigger
>
>--
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>///////
>
>CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
>INSTEAD OF INSERT
>AS
>declare @ordID int, @prodId int
>
>Set NoCount On
>
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
>(
>    [prodName]
>  , [prodCurPrice]
>)
>select
>    prodName
>  , prodCurPrice
>from inserted
>
>Set @prodID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
>(
>    [ordDate]
>  , [custId]
>  , [ordCurTotal]
>)
>select
>    ordDate
>  , custId
>  , ordCurTotal
>from inserted
>
>Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
>(
>    [ordId]
>  , [prodId]
>  , [oitAmount]
>)
>select
>    @ordId
>  , @prodId
>  , oitAmount
>from inserted
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>Set NoCount Off
>
>HTH,
>Shamil
>
>P.S. See BOL for more details...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > how?  the "instead of insert" trigger can insert a record into tablea
>first
> > but how can I get the tablea_id of the records just inserted and
>insert
> > those values into tableb_tablea_id column?
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > Billy
> >
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Jul 15 17:32:23 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
References: <BAY1-F37O6y5e1y5zGo0004c168@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c46abb$9ac2e8f0$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Hi Billy,

You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert
trigger, did you? :)

Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume that
there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for each
certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers could
have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:

So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my sample
view then this means that:

1. they all belong to one order
2. product name is unique

Then one of the the solutons is:

- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet such
product,
- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to tblProduct on
ProdName

See SQL script in P.S. of this message.

If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several orders
against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by all
means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do that and
other tricky work! :)

HTH,
Shamil

P.S. Solution:


CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
INSTEAD OF INSERT
AS
declare @ordID int

Set NoCount On

-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
(
   [prodName]
 , [prodCurPrice]
)
select
   prodName
 , prodCurPrice
from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from tblProduct))

-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
(
   [ordDate]
 , [custId]
 , [ordCurTotal]
)
select top 1
   ordDate
 , custId
 , ordCurTotal
from inserted

Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
(
   [ordId]
 , [prodId]
 , [oitAmount]
)
select
   @ordId
 , p.prodId
 , oitAmount
from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////

Set NoCount Off
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


> Hi Shamil:
>
> Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based on the
> assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one at a
time; if
> insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then the
> tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
>
> Using below example as example, execute the following insert
statements:
>
> <--- cut here --->
> insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
prodCurPrice,
> oitAmount)
> values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
>
> insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
prodCurPrice,
> oitAmount)
> select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount
from
> qselOrder
>
> insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
prodCurPrice,
> oitAmount)
> select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount
from
> qselOrder
> <--- cut here --->
>
> assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will insert
four
> records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
tblorderitems
> table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table does
not
> have any related records in tblorderitems.
>
> One way around this problem is to load the values within the
"inserted"
> pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary table
and
> loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am wondering if
there
> is another way.
>
> sincerely,
> Billy
>



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 15 18:18:59 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:18:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F11TgzW2hSsKAf00026e71@hotmail.com>

Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution that is 
quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).  I thought 
that there was a more simple solution because the view insert (where it 
affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in Sql 
Server.

Regards,
Billy




>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
>
>Hi Billy,
>
>You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert
>trigger, did you? :)
>
>Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume that
>there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for each
>certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers could
>have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
>"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:
>
>So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my sample
>view then this means that:
>
>1. they all belong to one order
>2. product name is unique
>
>Then one of the the solutons is:
>
>- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet such
>product,
>- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
>- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to tblProduct on
>ProdName
>
>See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
>
>If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several orders
>against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by all
>means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do that and
>other tricky work! :)
>
>HTH,
>Shamil
>
>P.S. Solution:
>
>
>CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
>INSTEAD OF INSERT
>AS
>declare @ordID int
>
>Set NoCount On
>
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
>(
>    [prodName]
>  , [prodCurPrice]
>)
>select
>    prodName
>  , prodCurPrice
>from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from tblProduct))
>
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
>(
>    [ordDate]
>  , [custId]
>  , [ordCurTotal]
>)
>select top 1
>    ordDate
>  , custId
>  , ordCurTotal
>from inserted
>
>Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
>(
>    [ordId]
>  , [prodId]
>  , [oitAmount]
>)
>select
>    @ordId
>  , p.prodId
>  , oitAmount
>from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
>-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>Set NoCount Off
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > Hi Shamil:
> >
> > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based on the
> > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one at a
>time; if
> > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then the
> > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
> >
> > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
>statements:
> >
> > <--- cut here --->
> > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
>prodCurPrice,
> > oitAmount)
> > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> >
> > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
>prodCurPrice,
> > oitAmount)
> > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount
>from
> > qselOrder
> >
> > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
>prodCurPrice,
> > oitAmount)
> > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice, oitAmount
>from
> > qselOrder
> > <--- cut here --->
> >
> > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will insert
>four
> > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
>tblorderitems
> > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table does
>not
> > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> >
> > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
>"inserted"
> > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary table
>and
> > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am wondering if
>there
> > is another way.
> >
> > sincerely,
> > Billy
> >
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Jul 16 13:22:25 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
References: <BAY1-F11TgzW2hSsKAf00026e71@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c46b61$dc1d8b60$0201a8c0@PARIS>

Billy,

What about that sentence from BOL?:

"SQL Server 2000
Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view. The
DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long as
SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to
updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition.
Expect differences in behavior when working with updatable views with
more than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE
statements."

> I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> quite simple
For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because it's
not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers.
You can also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...

> the view insert (where it
> affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in Sql
> Server.
Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question is
not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


> Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
that is
> quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).  I
thought
> that there was a more simple solution because the view insert (where
it
> affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in Sql
> Server.
>
> Regards,
> Billy
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> >
> >Hi Billy,
> >
> >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert
> >trigger, did you? :)
> >
> >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume
that
> >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for each
> >certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers could
> >have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
> >"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:
> >
> >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my sample
> >view then this means that:
> >
> >1. they all belong to one order
> >2. product name is unique
> >
> >Then one of the the solutons is:
> >
> >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet
such
> >product,
> >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to tblProduct
on
> >ProdName
> >
> >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> >
> >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
orders
> >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by
all
> >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do that
and
> >other tricky work! :)
> >
> >HTH,
> >Shamil
> >
> >P.S. Solution:
> >
> >
> >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> >AS
> >declare @ordID int
> >
> >Set NoCount On
> >
> >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> >(
> >    [prodName]
> >  , [prodCurPrice]
> >)
> >select
> >    prodName
> >  , prodCurPrice
> >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
tblProduct))
> >
> >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> >(
> >    [ordDate]
> >  , [custId]
> >  , [ordCurTotal]
> >)
> >select top 1
> >    ordDate
> >  , custId
> >  , ordCurTotal
> >from inserted
> >
> >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> >(
> >    [ordId]
> >  , [prodId]
> >  , [oitAmount]
> >)
> >select
> >    @ordId
> >  , p.prodId
> >  , oitAmount
> >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
> >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >
> >Set NoCount Off
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shamil:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based on
the
> > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one at
a
> >time; if
> > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then
the
> > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
> > >
> > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> >statements:
> > >
> > > <--- cut here --->
> > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> >prodCurPrice,
> > > oitAmount)
> > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > >
> > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> >prodCurPrice,
> > > oitAmount)
> > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
oitAmount
> >from
> > > qselOrder
> > >
> > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> >prodCurPrice,
> > > oitAmount)
> > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
oitAmount
> >from
> > > qselOrder
> > > <--- cut here --->
> > >
> > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
insert
> >four
> > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> >tblorderitems
> > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table
does
> >not
> > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > >
> > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> >"inserted"
> > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary
table
> >and
> > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am wondering
if
> >there
> > > is another way.
> > >
> > > sincerely,
> > > Billy
> > >
> >
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 15:05:02 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:05:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F9ZRO4XlnoAToX00055728@hotmail.com>

Hi Shamil:

The sentence from BOL is absolutely correct.  But it does not give me what I 
want; I need to have "identity" values moved from one table to another after 
a view insert.  There is no doubt that a view can update multiple base 
tables; there is no question about that; and it is possible to reference 
them unambigiously; however, the fact that it is an "instead of insert", it 
is not possible to reference any identity values generated from the view 
(without using scope_identity()).  This would not be a problem if it was 
possible to create an "After" trigger on a view.

And yes, it works eloquently in Access.  For demonstration purposes, within 
Access, create two tables with following schema:

tablea
tablea_id autonumber
tablea_value text(50)

tableb
tableb_id autonumber
tableb_tablea_id number long
tableb_value text(50)

then create a query called qryInsert with the following source:

SELECT tablea.tablea_id, tableb.tableb_id, tablea.tablea_value, 
tableb.tableb_value, tableb.tableb_tablea_id, tablea.tablea_id
FROM tablea INNER JOIN tableb ON tablea.tablea_id = tableb.tableb_tablea_id;

then create and execute the following query:

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('a','b')

followed by:

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
select tablea_value, tableb_value
from qryInsert

and again..

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
select tablea_value, tableb_value
from qryInsert

and you will find four records in tablea as expected, four records in tableb 
as expected and all four records in tablea have related records in tableb.

Access was able to do this without any database triggers.  And Access was 
able to accommodate "view inserts" that have SELECT as source.  If SQL 
Server is able to immitate this behavior (without using scope_identity(), of 
course :) ), then I am would like to know.

Kindest regards,
Billy

>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
>
>Billy,
>
>What about that sentence from BOL?:
>
>"SQL Server 2000
>Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view. The
>DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long as
>SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to
>updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition.
>Expect differences in behavior when working with updatable views with
>more than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE
>statements."
>
> > I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> > quite simple
>For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because it's
>not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers.
>You can also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...
>
> > the view insert (where it
> > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in Sql
> > Server.
>Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question is
>not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
>that is
> > quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).  I
>thought
> > that there was a more simple solution because the view insert (where
>it
> > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in Sql
> > Server.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Billy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> > >
> > >Hi Billy,
> > >
> > >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert
> > >trigger, did you? :)
> > >
> > >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume
>that
> > >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for each
> > >certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers could
> > >have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
> > >"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:
> > >
> > >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my sample
> > >view then this means that:
> > >
> > >1. they all belong to one order
> > >2. product name is unique
> > >
> > >Then one of the the solutons is:
> > >
> > >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet
>such
> > >product,
> > >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> > >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to tblProduct
>on
> > >ProdName
> > >
> > >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> > >
> > >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
>orders
> > >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by
>all
> > >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do that
>and
> > >other tricky work! :)
> > >
> > >HTH,
> > >Shamil
> > >
> > >P.S. Solution:
> > >
> > >
> > >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> > >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> > >AS
> > >declare @ordID int
> > >
> > >Set NoCount On
> > >
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> > >(
> > >    [prodName]
> > >  , [prodCurPrice]
> > >)
> > >select
> > >    prodName
> > >  , prodCurPrice
> > >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
>tblProduct))
> > >
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> > >(
> > >    [ordDate]
> > >  , [custId]
> > >  , [ordCurTotal]
> > >)
> > >select top 1
> > >    ordDate
> > >  , custId
> > >  , ordCurTotal
> > >from inserted
> > >
> > >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> > >(
> > >    [ordId]
> > >  , [prodId]
> > >  , [oitAmount]
> > >)
> > >select
> > >    @ordId
> > >  , p.prodId
> > >  , oitAmount
> > >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >
> > >Set NoCount Off
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Shamil:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based on
>the
> > > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one at
>a
> > >time; if
> > > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then
>the
> > > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
> > > >
> > > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> > >statements:
> > > >
> > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > > >
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
>oitAmount
> > >from
> > > > qselOrder
> > > >
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
>oitAmount
> > >from
> > > > qselOrder
> > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > >
> > > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
>insert
> > >four
> > > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> > >tblorderitems
> > > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table
>does
> > >not
> > > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > > >
> > > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> > >"inserted"
> > > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary
>table
> > >and
> > > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am wondering
>if
> > >there
> > > > is another way.
> > > >
> > > > sincerely,
> > > > Billy
> > > >
> > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Jul 16 15:23:32 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:23:32 +0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
References: <BAY1-F9ZRO4XlnoAToX00055728@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c46b72$c55a26c0$0201a8c0@PARIS>

> If SQL  Server is able to immitate this behavior (without
> using scope_identity(), of course :) ), then I am would
> like to know.
Billy,

I think it can't - sorry I can't help here.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


> Hi Shamil:
>
> The sentence from BOL is absolutely correct.  But it does not give me
what I
> want; I need to have "identity" values moved from one table to another
after
> a view insert.  There is no doubt that a view can update multiple base
> tables; there is no question about that; and it is possible to
reference
> them unambigiously; however, the fact that it is an "instead of
insert", it
> is not possible to reference any identity values generated from the
view
> (without using scope_identity()).  This would not be a problem if it
was
> possible to create an "After" trigger on a view.
>
> And yes, it works eloquently in Access.  For demonstration purposes,
within
> Access, create two tables with following schema:
>
> tablea
> tablea_id autonumber
> tablea_value text(50)
>
> tableb
> tableb_id autonumber
> tableb_tablea_id number long
> tableb_value text(50)
>
> then create a query called qryInsert with the following source:
>
> SELECT tablea.tablea_id, tableb.tableb_id, tablea.tablea_value,
> tableb.tableb_value, tableb.tableb_tablea_id, tablea.tablea_id
> FROM tablea INNER JOIN tableb ON tablea.tablea_id =
tableb.tableb_tablea_id;
>
> then create and execute the following query:
>
> insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('a','b')
>
> followed by:
>
> insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
> select tablea_value, tableb_value
> from qryInsert
>
> and again..
>
> insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
> select tablea_value, tableb_value
> from qryInsert
>
> and you will find four records in tablea as expected, four records in
tableb
> as expected and all four records in tablea have related records in
tableb.
>
> Access was able to do this without any database triggers.  And Access
was
> able to accommodate "view inserts" that have SELECT as source.  If SQL
> Server is able to immitate this behavior (without using
scope_identity(), of
> course :) ), then I am would like to know.
>
> Kindest regards,
> Billy
>
> >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
> >
> >Billy,
> >
> >What about that sentence from BOL?:
> >
> >"SQL Server 2000
> >Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view.
The
> >DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long as
> >SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to
> >updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition.
> >Expect differences in behavior when working with updatable views with
> >more than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE
> >statements."
> >
> > > I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> > > quite simple
> >For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because
it's
> >not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers.
> >You can also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...
> >
> > > the view insert (where it
> > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
Sql
> > > Server.
> >Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question
is
> >not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)
> >
> >Shamil
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
> >that is
> > > quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).
I
> >thought
> > > that there was a more simple solution because the view insert
(where
> >it
> > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
Sql
> > > Server.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Billy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> > > >
> > > >Hi Billy,
> > > >
> > > >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of
insert
> > > >trigger, did you? :)
> > > >
> > > >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to
assume
> >that
> > > >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for
each
> > > >certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers
could
> > > >have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
> > > >"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:
> > > >
> > > >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my
sample
> > > >view then this means that:
> > > >
> > > >1. they all belong to one order
> > > >2. product name is unique
> > > >
> > > >Then one of the the solutons is:
> > > >
> > > >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no
yet
> >such
> > > >product,
> > > >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> > > >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to
tblProduct
> >on
> > > >ProdName
> > > >
> > > >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> > > >
> > > >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
> >orders
> > > >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage
by
> >all
> > > >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do
that
> >and
> > > >other tricky work! :)
> > > >
> > > >HTH,
> > > >Shamil
> > > >
> > > >P.S. Solution:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> > > >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> > > >AS
> > > >declare @ordID int
> > > >
> > > >Set NoCount On
> > > >
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> > > >(
> > > >    [prodName]
> > > >  , [prodCurPrice]
> > > >)
> > > >select
> > > >    prodName
> > > >  , prodCurPrice
> > > >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
> >tblProduct))
> > > >
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> > > >(
> > > >    [ordDate]
> > > >  , [custId]
> > > >  , [ordCurTotal]
> > > >)
> > > >select top 1
> > > >    ordDate
> > > >  , custId
> > > >  , ordCurTotal
> > > >from inserted
> > > >
> > > >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> > > >(
> > > >    [ordId]
> > > >  , [prodId]
> > > >  , [oitAmount]
> > > >)
> > > >select
> > > >    @ordId
> > > >  , p.prodId
> > > >  , oitAmount
> > > >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName =
p.prodName
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >
> > > >Set NoCount Off
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Shamil:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work
based on
> >the
> > > > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one
at
> >a
> > > >time; if
> > > > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source,
then
> >the
> > > > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect
value.
> > > > >
> > > > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> > > >statements:
> > > > >
> > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > > > >
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> >oitAmount
> > > >from
> > > > > qselOrder
> > > > >
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> >oitAmount
> > > >from
> > > > > qselOrder
> > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > >
> > > > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
> >insert
> > > >four
> > > > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> > > >tblorderitems
> > > > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder
table
> >does
> > > >not
> > > > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > > > >
> > > > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> > > >"inserted"
> > > > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or
temporary
> >table
> > > >and
> > > > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am
wondering
> >if
> > > >there
> > > > > is another way.
> > > > >
> > > > > sincerely,
> > > > > Billy
> > > > >
> > > >
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 16:24:58 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:24:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F4slx0fQ3DaE5900055f86@hotmail.com>

Hi Shamil:
I didn't think it was possible anyways.
I was really racking my brain trying to figure out it out.
I had first concluded it was not possible.
However, it is always more prudent to ask peers in same field of work for 
second opinion.
This was a good thread :)

Sincerely,
Billy


>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:23:32 +0400
>
> > If SQL  Server is able to immitate this behavior (without
> > using scope_identity(), of course :) ), then I am would
> > like to know.
>Billy,
>
>I think it can't - sorry I can't help here.
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > Hi Shamil:
> >
> > The sentence from BOL is absolutely correct.  But it does not give me
>what I
> > want; I need to have "identity" values moved from one table to another
>after
> > a view insert.  There is no doubt that a view can update multiple base
> > tables; there is no question about that; and it is possible to
>reference
> > them unambigiously; however, the fact that it is an "instead of
>insert", it
> > is not possible to reference any identity values generated from the
>view
> > (without using scope_identity()).  This would not be a problem if it
>was
> > possible to create an "After" trigger on a view.
> >
> > And yes, it works eloquently in Access.  For demonstration purposes,
>within
> > Access, create two tables with following schema:
> >
> > tablea
> > tablea_id autonumber
> > tablea_value text(50)
> >
> > tableb
> > tableb_id autonumber
> > tableb_tablea_id number long
> > tableb_value text(50)
> >
> > then create a query called qryInsert with the following source:
> >
> > SELECT tablea.tablea_id, tableb.tableb_id, tablea.tablea_value,
> > tableb.tableb_value, tableb.tableb_tablea_id, tablea.tablea_id
> > FROM tablea INNER JOIN tableb ON tablea.tablea_id =
>tableb.tableb_tablea_id;
> >
> > then create and execute the following query:
> >
> > insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('a','b')
> >
> > followed by:
> >
> > insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
> > select tablea_value, tableb_value
> > from qryInsert
> >
> > and again..
> >
> > insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
> > select tablea_value, tableb_value
> > from qryInsert
> >
> > and you will find four records in tablea as expected, four records in
>tableb
> > as expected and all four records in tablea have related records in
>tableb.
> >
> > Access was able to do this without any database triggers.  And Access
>was
> > able to accommodate "view inserts" that have SELECT as source.  If SQL
> > Server is able to immitate this behavior (without using
>scope_identity(), of
> > course :) ), then I am would like to know.
> >
> > Kindest regards,
> > Billy
> >
> > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
> > >
> > >Billy,
> > >
> > >What about that sentence from BOL?:
> > >
> > >"SQL Server 2000
> > >Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view.
>The
> > >DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long as
> > >SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to
> > >updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition.
> > >Expect differences in behavior when working with updatable views with
> > >more than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE
> > >statements."
> > >
> > > > I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> > > > quite simple
> > >For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because
>it's
> > >not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers.
> > >You can also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...
> > >
> > > > the view insert (where it
> > > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
>Sql
> > > > Server.
> > >Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question
>is
> > >not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)
> > >
> > >Shamil
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
> > >that is
> > > > quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).
>I
> > >thought
> > > > that there was a more simple solution because the view insert
>(where
> > >it
> > > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
>Sql
> > > > Server.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Billy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Billy,
> > > > >
> > > > >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of
>insert
> > > > >trigger, did you? :)
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to
>assume
> > >that
> > > > >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for
>each
> > > > >certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers
>could
> > > > >have quite different implementation - as always in programming an
> > > > >"optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a compromise:
> > > > >
> > > > >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my
>sample
> > > > >view then this means that:
> > > > >
> > > > >1. they all belong to one order
> > > > >2. product name is unique
> > > > >
> > > > >Then one of the the solutons is:
> > > > >
> > > > >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no
>yet
> > >such
> > > > >product,
> > > > >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> > > > >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to
>tblProduct
> > >on
> > > > >ProdName
> > > > >
> > > > >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> > > > >
> > > > >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
> > >orders
> > > > >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage
>by
> > >all
> > > > >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do
>that
> > >and
> > > > >other tricky work! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >HTH,
> > > > >Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > >P.S. Solution:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> > > > >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> > > > >AS
> > > > >declare @ordID int
> > > > >
> > > > >Set NoCount On
> > > > >
> > > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> > > > >(
> > > > >    [prodName]
> > > > >  , [prodCurPrice]
> > > > >)
> > > > >select
> > > > >    prodName
> > > > >  , prodCurPrice
> > > > >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
> > >tblProduct))
> > > > >
> > > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> > > > >(
> > > > >    [ordDate]
> > > > >  , [custId]
> > > > >  , [ordCurTotal]
> > > > >)
> > > > >select top 1
> > > > >    ordDate
> > > > >  , custId
> > > > >  , ordCurTotal
> > > > >from inserted
> > > > >
> > > > >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> > > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> > > > >(
> > > > >    [ordId]
> > > > >  , [prodId]
> > > > >  , [oitAmount]
> > > > >)
> > > > >select
> > > > >    @ordId
> > > > >  , p.prodId
> > > > >  , oitAmount
> > > > >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName =
>p.prodName
> > > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > >
> > > > >Set NoCount Off
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Shamil:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work
>based on
> > >the
> > > > > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one
>at
> > >a
> > > > >time; if
> > > > > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source,
>then
> > >the
> > > > > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect
>value.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> > > > >statements:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> > >oitAmount
> > > > >from
> > > > > > qselOrder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> > >oitAmount
> > > > >from
> > > > > > qselOrder
> > > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > > >
> > > > > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
> > >insert
> > > > >four
> > > > > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> > > > >tblorderitems
> > > > > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder
>table
> > >does
> > > > >not
> > > > > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> > > > >"inserted"
> > > > > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or
>temporary
> > >table
> > > > >and
> > > > > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am
>wondering
> > >if
> > > > >there
> > > > > > is another way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sincerely,
> > > > > > Billy
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 10:48:23 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:48:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL Express
	2005
References: <BAY1-F4slx0fQ3DaE5900055f86@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F94A47.1010006@shaw.ca>

SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like MSDE, SQL Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the installed documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.

Some notes I have picked up that may help.

1-------------------------------------------------
 SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?

One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with 
applications instead of JET. Now the software companies  
involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro???? 
Arrrghhhh!

There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.
  
System Requirements for Express

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/

2  --------------------------------------------------
FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise Manager seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express. SQLDMO9 is culprit.

http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx

3 -------------------------------------------
 I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you get the DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be available in Access? 

Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at ISPs. It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data from the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I would hate to see that go away. 

4 -------------------------------------------------
SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs database script install from download pages.
I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM

5.--------------------------------------------------
 SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server 2005 
Fix here
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided Tour

http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx

Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems
  
microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express

http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&slcid=us


Express overview
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/sseoverview.asp


-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 11:31:37 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:31:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
	Express2005
In-Reply-To: <40F94A47.1010006@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKHCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marty:

Fine piece of investigation.

I was just about to install SQL Empress on my 2003XP server, one with SQL
2000/EM and would have lost the manager. I wondering if there is a work
around as I was hoping to have an application put together using Access2003
or VB.Net and SQL Express, by the end of the summer.

Looks like that will not be possible for a while.

I guess if the application is assembled, using SQL2000, the table
structure/SP etc.. should be portable to SQL Express, on a XP box and
Express.

A little off topic:

I have been trying to find some info on reporting capabilities of
VB.Net...does it have any or does it require a third-party product like VB6?
Has anyone worked or found a good site with code related to extending VB.Net
grid capabilities?

Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
Express2005


SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like MSDE, SQL
Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the installed
documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are
supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.

Some notes I have picked up that may help.

1-------------------------------------------------
 SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?

One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with
applications instead of JET. Now the software companies
involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro????
Arrrghhhh!

There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.

System Requirements for Express

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/

2  --------------------------------------------------
FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise Manager
seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express. SQLDMO9 is
culprit.

http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx

3 -------------------------------------------
 I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you get the
DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be
available in Access?

Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at ISPs.
It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data from
the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I would
hate to see that go away.

4 -------------------------------------------------
SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs database
script install from download pages.
I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM

5.--------------------------------------------------
 SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server 2005
Fix here
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided Tour

http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx

Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems

microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express

http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&sl
cid=us


Express overview
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/
sseoverview.asp


--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 13:11:19 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:11:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
	Express2005
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKHCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <40F96BC7.9080007@shaw.ca>

There is a new data grid control with vb.net express.

You could use SQL Reporting Services, there is a wizard to upgrade 
Access reports to SQL Service.

Or if you want just local reporting with vb.net and you have Access 
installed you can use Access Reports.
Here is some code that should run under vb.net to print locally, preview 
or email report.

You will need the Access mdb to test against.
You may have to modify the Access database and play with to get print 
menu selection
working properly.
It has a menu toolbar to direct to various printers or email

'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:

And here is the method to call it.
I tested this with another Access program but should work with VB.

You can even remove the Access Key Icon or set to your own
in the upper corner, can't remember how but have done it.



Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private Const SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED = 3
Private Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
Private Const SW_HIDE = 0
Private Declare Function apiSetForegroundWindow Lib "user32" _
        Alias "SetForegroundWindow" _
        (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function apiShowWindow Lib "user32" _
        Alias "ShowWindow" _
        (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
Sub test()
'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
 Dim accRpt As Access.Application
Set accRpt = CreateObject("Access.Application")
With accRpt
.Application.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\WordVBA\Kallal Word Merge Easy 
Samples\WordMerge22\WordMerge22.mdb")
.Application.DoCmd.Maximize
.Application.Visible = True
 Call apiSetForegroundWindow(.hWndAccessApp)
 'Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWNORMAL)
 Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED)
' Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
' .Application.DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDefaultPrinterList"
'displays the custom toolbar named CustomToolbar in all Microsoft Access 
windows that become active:

.Application.DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Rides Print", acToolbarYes
'DoCmd.ShowToolbar
.Application.DoCmd.OpenReport "Contacts", Access.AcView.acViewPreview
 'Set the focus to MSACCESS
'alternate method
 'Dim lngAcc As Long
 '  lngVal = FindWindow("OMain", ByVal 0&)
  '  lngAcc = SetFocusAPI(lngVal)
'must close form to exit second app 'acReport=3;acObjStateOpen=1
 
      Do While .SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acReport, "Contacts") = 
acObjStateOpen
            DoEvents
      Loop
.Quit acQuitSaveNone

'MsgBox "Print"
End With
Set accRpt = Nothing
End Sub




Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Fine piece of investigation.
>
>I was just about to install SQL Empress on my 2003XP server, one with SQL
>2000/EM and would have lost the manager. I wondering if there is a work
>around as I was hoping to have an application put together using Access2003
>or VB.Net and SQL Express, by the end of the summer.
>
>Looks like that will not be possible for a while.
>
>I guess if the application is assembled, using SQL2000, the table
>structure/SP etc.. should be portable to SQL Express, on a XP box and
>Express.
>
>A little off topic:
>
>I have been trying to find some info on reporting capabilities of
>VB.Net...does it have any or does it require a third-party product like VB6?
>Has anyone worked or found a good site with code related to extending VB.Net
>grid capabilities?
>
>Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
>Express2005
>
>
>SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like MSDE, SQL
>Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the installed
>documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are
>supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.
>
>Some notes I have picked up that may help.
>
>1-------------------------------------------------
> SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?
>
>One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with
>applications instead of JET. Now the software companies
>involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro????
>Arrrghhhh!
>
>There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.
>
>System Requirements for Express
>
>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/
>
>2  --------------------------------------------------
>FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise Manager
>seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express. SQLDMO9 is
>culprit.
>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx
>
>3 -------------------------------------------
> I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you get the
>DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be
>available in Access?
>
>Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at ISPs.
>It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data from
>the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I would
>hate to see that go away.
>
>4 -------------------------------------------------
>SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
>It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs database
>script install from download pages.
>I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM
>
>5.--------------------------------------------------
> SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server 2005
>Fix here
>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided Tour
>
>http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx
>
>Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems
>
>microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express
>
>http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&sl
>cid=us
>
>
>Express overview
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/
>sseoverview.asp
>
>
>--
>Marty Connelly
>Victoria, B.C.
>Canada
>
>
>
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>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 15:16:10 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:16:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
	Express2005
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKHCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<40F96BC7.9080007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <40F9890A.5080607@shaw.ca>

 
Two non-Crystal Reports or Accutate alternatives:
Latest version of crystal 9.0 is server based and consequentially pricey

1. ActiveReports (DataDynamics): VB people rave about this report 
writer. The designer is incredibly intuititive (if you've used Access 
you will be right at home in this designer). Imports Access Reports 
Price $499 or $1299 Pro

http://www.datadynamics.com/Products/ProductOverview.aspx?Product=ARNET

2. XtraReports (DevExpress): This product is pretty new, and is still 
rough around the edges, but it is less expensive than ActiveReports 
(especially considering that you get an End User Designer with the basic 
product, while you have to buy the Pro version of ActiveReports for the 
same feature). I have found the designer not quite as nice/intuitive as 
ActiveReports, but still very nice, and one can be productive with it 
once getting the hang of how the product is put together.
Price $199 or $399 with source code

http://www.devexpress.com/?section=/products/NET/XtraReports
 


MartyConnelly wrote:

> There is a new data grid control with vb.net express.
>
> You could use SQL Reporting Services, there is a wizard to upgrade 
> Access reports to SQL Service.
>
> Or if you want just local reporting with vb.net and you have Access 
> installed you can use Access Reports.
> Here is some code that should run under vb.net to print locally, 
> preview or email report.
>
> You will need the Access mdb to test against.
> You may have to modify the Access database and play with to get print 
> menu selection
> working properly.
> It has a menu toolbar to direct to various printers or email
>
> 'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
> ' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
>
> And here is the method to call it.
> I tested this with another Access program but should work with VB.
>
> You can even remove the Access Key Icon or set to your own
> in the upper corner, can't remember how but have done it.
>
>
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Private Const SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED = 3
> Private Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
> Private Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Private Declare Function apiSetForegroundWindow Lib "user32" _
>        Alias "SetForegroundWindow" _
>        (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function apiShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>        Alias "ShowWindow" _
>        (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> Sub test()
> 'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
> ' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
> Dim accRpt As Access.Application
> Set accRpt = CreateObject("Access.Application")
> With accRpt
> .Application.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\WordVBA\Kallal Word Merge Easy 
> Samples\WordMerge22\WordMerge22.mdb")
> .Application.DoCmd.Maximize
> .Application.Visible = True
> Call apiSetForegroundWindow(.hWndAccessApp)
> 'Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWNORMAL)
> Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED)
> ' Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> ' .Application.DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDefaultPrinterList"
> 'displays the custom toolbar named CustomToolbar in all Microsoft 
> Access windows that become active:
>
> .Application.DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Rides Print", acToolbarYes
> 'DoCmd.ShowToolbar
> .Application.DoCmd.OpenReport "Contacts", Access.AcView.acViewPreview
> 'Set the focus to MSACCESS
> 'alternate method
> 'Dim lngAcc As Long
> '  lngVal = FindWindow("OMain", ByVal 0&)
>  '  lngAcc = SetFocusAPI(lngVal)
> 'must close form to exit second app 'acReport=3;acObjStateOpen=1
>
>      Do While .SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acReport, "Contacts") = 
> acObjStateOpen
>            DoEvents
>      Loop
> .Quit acQuitSaveNone
>
> 'MsgBox "Print"
> End With
> Set accRpt = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
>
>
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:
>
>> Hi Marty:
>>
>> Fine piece of investigation.
>>
>> I was just about to install SQL Empress on my 2003XP server, one with 
>> SQL
>> 2000/EM and would have lost the manager. I wondering if there is a work
>> around as I was hoping to have an application put together using 
>> Access2003
>> or VB.Net and SQL Express, by the end of the summer.
>>
>> Looks like that will not be possible for a while.
>>
>> I guess if the application is assembled, using SQL2000, the table
>> structure/SP etc.. should be portable to SQL Express, on a XP box and
>> Express.
>>
>> A little off topic:
>>
>> I have been trying to find some info on reporting capabilities of
>> VB.Net...does it have any or does it require a third-party product 
>> like VB6?
>> Has anyone worked or found a good site with code related to extending 
>> VB.Net
>> grid capabilities?
>>
>> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>> MartyConnelly
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 AM
>> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
>> Express2005
>>
>>
>> SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like 
>> MSDE, SQL
>> Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the 
>> installed
>> documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are
>> supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.
>>
>> Some notes I have picked up that may help.
>>
>> 1-------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?
>>
>> One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with
>> applications instead of JET. Now the software companies
>> involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro????
>> Arrrghhhh!
>>
>> There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.
>>
>> System Requirements for Express
>>
>> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/
>>
>> 2  --------------------------------------------------
>> FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise 
>> Manager
>> seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express. 
>> SQLDMO9 is
>> culprit.
>>
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx
>>
>> 3 -------------------------------------------
>> I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you 
>> get the
>> DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be
>> available in Access?
>>
>> Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at 
>> ISPs.
>> It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data 
>> from
>> the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I 
>> would
>> hate to see that go away.
>>
>> 4 -------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
>> It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs 
>> database
>> script install from download pages.
>> I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM
>>
>> 5.--------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server 
>> 2005
>> Fix here
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided 
>> Tour
>>
>> http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx
>>
>> Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems
>>
>> microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express
>>
>> http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&sl 
>>
>> cid=us
>>
>>
>> Express overview
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/ 
>>
>> sseoverview.asp
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul 17 20:13:28 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:13:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on
	SQLExpress2005
In-Reply-To: <40F9890A.5080607@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKKCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Thanks for all the information.

I was hoping to go around the third-party printer options. VBxxx lack of
report support has been the principle reason why I have had to avoid many
applications designs in this environment. Many client bulk at the extra
costs and we end up settling for Access.

Does SQL Reporting server work with SQL Express?

That code snippet is just great...I will try it out soon.

I owe you a beer; we should get together sometime as you are a local yokel,
from Gods-Country and partake in a few brew.

Thanks again
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:16 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on
SQLExpress2005



Two non-Crystal Reports or Accutate alternatives:
Latest version of crystal 9.0 is server based and consequentially pricey

1. ActiveReports (DataDynamics): VB people rave about this report
writer. The designer is incredibly intuititive (if you've used Access
you will be right at home in this designer). Imports Access Reports
Price $499 or $1299 Pro

http://www.datadynamics.com/Products/ProductOverview.aspx?Product=ARNET

2. XtraReports (DevExpress): This product is pretty new, and is still
rough around the edges, but it is less expensive than ActiveReports
(especially considering that you get an End User Designer with the basic
product, while you have to buy the Pro version of ActiveReports for the
same feature). I have found the designer not quite as nice/intuitive as
ActiveReports, but still very nice, and one can be productive with it
once getting the hang of how the product is put together.
Price $199 or $399 with source code

http://www.devexpress.com/?section=/products/NET/XtraReports



MartyConnelly wrote:

> There is a new data grid control with vb.net express.
>
> You could use SQL Reporting Services, there is a wizard to upgrade
> Access reports to SQL Service.
>
> Or if you want just local reporting with vb.net and you have Access
> installed you can use Access Reports.
> Here is some code that should run under vb.net to print locally,
> preview or email report.
>
> You will need the Access mdb to test against.
> You may have to modify the Access database and play with to get print
> menu selection
> working properly.
> It has a menu toolbar to direct to various printers or email
>
> 'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
> ' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
>
> And here is the method to call it.
> I tested this with another Access program but should work with VB.
>
> You can even remove the Access Key Icon or set to your own
> in the upper corner, can't remember how but have done it.
>
>
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Private Const SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED = 3
> Private Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
> Private Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Private Declare Function apiSetForegroundWindow Lib "user32" _
>        Alias "SetForegroundWindow" _
>        (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
> Private Declare Function apiShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>        Alias "ShowWindow" _
>        (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> Sub test()
> 'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
> ' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
> Dim accRpt As Access.Application
> Set accRpt = CreateObject("Access.Application")
> With accRpt
> .Application.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\WordVBA\Kallal Word Merge Easy
> Samples\WordMerge22\WordMerge22.mdb")
> .Application.DoCmd.Maximize
> .Application.Visible = True
> Call apiSetForegroundWindow(.hWndAccessApp)
> 'Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWNORMAL)
> Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED)
> ' Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> ' .Application.DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDefaultPrinterList"
> 'displays the custom toolbar named CustomToolbar in all Microsoft
> Access windows that become active:
>
> .Application.DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Rides Print", acToolbarYes
> 'DoCmd.ShowToolbar
> .Application.DoCmd.OpenReport "Contacts", Access.AcView.acViewPreview
> 'Set the focus to MSACCESS
> 'alternate method
> 'Dim lngAcc As Long
> '  lngVal = FindWindow("OMain", ByVal 0&)
>  '  lngAcc = SetFocusAPI(lngVal)
> 'must close form to exit second app 'acReport=3;acObjStateOpen=1
>
>      Do While .SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acReport, "Contacts") =
> acObjStateOpen
>            DoEvents
>      Loop
> .Quit acQuitSaveNone
>
> 'MsgBox "Print"
> End With
> Set accRpt = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
>
>
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:
>
>> Hi Marty:
>>
>> Fine piece of investigation.
>>
>> I was just about to install SQL Empress on my 2003XP server, one with
>> SQL
>> 2000/EM and would have lost the manager. I wondering if there is a work
>> around as I was hoping to have an application put together using
>> Access2003
>> or VB.Net and SQL Express, by the end of the summer.
>>
>> Looks like that will not be possible for a while.
>>
>> I guess if the application is assembled, using SQL2000, the table
>> structure/SP etc.. should be portable to SQL Express, on a XP box and
>> Express.
>>
>> A little off topic:
>>
>> I have been trying to find some info on reporting capabilities of
>> VB.Net...does it have any or does it require a third-party product
>> like VB6?
>> Has anyone worked or found a good site with code related to extending
>> VB.Net
>> grid capabilities?
>>
>> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>> MartyConnelly
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 AM
>> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
>> Express2005
>>
>>
>> SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like
>> MSDE, SQL
>> Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the
>> installed
>> documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are
>> supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.
>>
>> Some notes I have picked up that may help.
>>
>> 1-------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?
>>
>> One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with
>> applications instead of JET. Now the software companies
>> involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro????
>> Arrrghhhh!
>>
>> There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.
>>
>> System Requirements for Express
>>
>> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/
>>
>> 2  --------------------------------------------------
>> FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise
>> Manager
>> seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express.
>> SQLDMO9 is
>> culprit.
>>
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx
>>
>> 3 -------------------------------------------
>> I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you
>> get the
>> DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be
>> available in Access?
>>
>> Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at
>> ISPs.
>> It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data
>> from
>> the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I
>> would
>> hate to see that go away.
>>
>> 4 -------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
>> It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs
>> database
>> script install from download pages.
>> I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM
>>
>> 5.--------------------------------------------------
>> SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server
>> 2005
>> Fix here
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided
>> Tour
>>
>> http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx
>>
>> Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems
>>
>> microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express
>>
>>
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&sl
>>
>> cid=us
>>
>>
>> Express overview
>>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/
>>
>> sseoverview.asp
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul 18 21:29:41 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:29:41 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040719142057.00b41e68@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a number.  The number 
relates to all days from the date until the next record when the new date 
provides a new number.  EG

7/1/04     10
7/5/04     12
7/8/04     15
7/15/04    18

The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 * 4 days = 40)
The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 * 3 days = 36)
The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15 * 7 days = 105)

I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days between each 
date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can only think of 
using a cursor and looping through the records recording the start and end 
dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into actual code I 
thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it 
(apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 18 21:39:45 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:39:45 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040719142057.00b41e68@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <40FBC111.7550.8B3D198@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 19 Jul 2004 at 14:29, David Emerson wrote:

> Group,
> 
> I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a number.  The number 
> relates to all days from the date until the next record when the new date 
> provides a new number.  EG
> 
> 7/1/04     10
> 7/5/04     12
> 7/8/04     15
> 7/15/04    18
> 
> The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 * 4 days = 40)
> The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 * 3 days = 36)
> The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15 * 7 days = 105)
> 
> I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days between each 
> date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can only think of 
> using a cursor and looping through the records recording the start and end 
> dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into actual code I 
> thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it 
> (apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).
> 

Haven't got time now to do the whole thiing, I'm flying out in an hour or so to 
do so work for a client on site but....

In pseudocode, I would try something like

Sum(numbers *  datediff (currentrecorddate, (select max(date) from table where 
date < currentrecorddate)))


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.





From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Mon Jul 19 09:07:06 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E998@remail2.westat.com>

David,

I'd be tempted to put the data into a table with an identity and then
self-link the current and next rows. Any estimate on the size of the table
you're working with?

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Emerson
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:30 PM
> To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
> 
> 
> Group,
> 
> I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a 
> number.  The number 
> relates to all days from the date until the next record when 
> the new date 
> provides a new number.  EG
> 
> 7/1/04     10
> 7/5/04     12
> 7/8/04     15
> 7/15/04    18
> 
> The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 
> * 4 days = 40)
> The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 
> * 3 days = 36)
> The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15 
> * 7 days = 105)
> 
> I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days 
> between each 
> date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can 
> only think of 
> using a cursor and looping through the records recording the 
> start and end 
> dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into 
> actual code I 
> thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it 
> (apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> 25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
> Mobile 027-280-9348 
<snip>


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 19 13:41:20 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:41:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on
	SQLExpress2005
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKKCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <40FC15D0.4020309@shaw.ca>

SQL Reporting Services works with SQL Express Beta with some known bugs 
using encrypted data.

Microsoft has a few 1 hour webcasts
TechNet Webcast: Microsoft SQL Server Reporting Services Technical 
Overview - Level
Part 1
http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/EventDetail.aspx?EventID=1032255670&Culture=en-US
Part 2
http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/EventDetail.aspx?EventID=1032255691&Culture=en-US
Overview Architecture
http://msevents.microsoft.com/CUI/EventDetail.aspx?EventID=1032255609&Culture=en-US

There is a new book out that covers SQL 2005 may not be printed yet
Hitchhikers Guide to SQL Reporting Services by Addison

How to import reports from Microsoft Access to Reporting Services
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834306

You could try this limited freeware ASP report tool works with SQL 2000
http://www.apexsql.com/index_asprpt.htm

Introduction to SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services
By Mike Gunderloy
http://www.developer.com/db/article.php/3323401


I tried to get into my local "Honest John's" downtown last week couldn't 
get near the bar. We had been invaded by
half the ship's crew from the "Abraham Lincoln" carrier.


Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

>Thanks for all the information.
>
>I was hoping to go around the third-party printer options. VBxxx lack of
>report support has been the principle reason why I have had to avoid many
>applications designs in this environment. Many client bulk at the extra
>costs and we end up settling for Access.
>
>Does SQL Reporting server work with SQL Express?
>
>That code snippet is just great...I will try it out soon.
>
>I owe you a beer; we should get together sometime as you are a local yokel,
>from Gods-Country and partake in a few brew.
>
>Thanks again
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on
>SQLExpress2005
>
>
>
>Two non-Crystal Reports or Accutate alternatives:
>Latest version of crystal 9.0 is server based and consequentially pricey
>
>1. ActiveReports (DataDynamics): VB people rave about this report
>writer. The designer is incredibly intuititive (if you've used Access
>you will be right at home in this designer). Imports Access Reports
>Price $499 or $1299 Pro
>
>http://www.datadynamics.com/Products/ProductOverview.aspx?Product=ARNET
>
>2. XtraReports (DevExpress): This product is pretty new, and is still
>rough around the edges, but it is less expensive than ActiveReports
>(especially considering that you get an End User Designer with the basic
>product, while you have to buy the Pro version of ActiveReports for the
>same feature). I have found the designer not quite as nice/intuitive as
>ActiveReports, but still very nice, and one can be productive with it
>once getting the hang of how the product is put together.
>Price $199 or $399 with source code
>
>http://www.devexpress.com/?section=/products/NET/XtraReports
>
>
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:
>
>  
>
>>There is a new data grid control with vb.net express.
>>
>>You could use SQL Reporting Services, there is a wizard to upgrade
>>Access reports to SQL Service.
>>
>>Or if you want just local reporting with vb.net and you have Access
>>installed you can use Access Reports.
>>Here is some code that should run under vb.net to print locally,
>>preview or email report.
>>
>>You will need the Access mdb to test against.
>>You may have to modify the Access database and play with to get print
>>menu selection
>>working properly.
>>It has a menu toolbar to direct to various printers or email
>>
>>'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
>>' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
>>
>>And here is the method to call it.
>>I tested this with another Access program but should work with VB.
>>
>>You can even remove the Access Key Icon or set to your own
>>in the upper corner, can't remember how but have done it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>Private Const SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED = 3
>>Private Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
>>Private Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>Private Declare Function apiSetForegroundWindow Lib "user32" _
>>       Alias "SetForegroundWindow" _
>>       (ByVal hWnd As Long) As Long
>>Private Declare Function apiShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>       Alias "ShowWindow" _
>>       (ByVal hWnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>Sub test()
>>'http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/msaccess/DownLoad.htm
>>' Acesss97 example With ms-access interface hidden:
>>Dim accRpt As Access.Application
>>Set accRpt = CreateObject("Access.Application")
>>With accRpt
>>.Application.OpenCurrentDatabase ("C:\WordVBA\Kallal Word Merge Easy
>>Samples\WordMerge22\WordMerge22.mdb")
>>.Application.DoCmd.Maximize
>>.Application.Visible = True
>>Call apiSetForegroundWindow(.hWndAccessApp)
>>'Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWNORMAL)
>>Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_SHOWMAXIMIZED)
>>' Call apiShowWindow(.hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>' .Application.DoCmd.OpenForm "frmDefaultPrinterList"
>>'displays the custom toolbar named CustomToolbar in all Microsoft
>>Access windows that become active:
>>
>>.Application.DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Rides Print", acToolbarYes
>>'DoCmd.ShowToolbar
>>.Application.DoCmd.OpenReport "Contacts", Access.AcView.acViewPreview
>>'Set the focus to MSACCESS
>>'alternate method
>>'Dim lngAcc As Long
>>'  lngVal = FindWindow("OMain", ByVal 0&)
>> '  lngAcc = SetFocusAPI(lngVal)
>>'must close form to exit second app 'acReport=3;acObjStateOpen=1
>>
>>     Do While .SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acReport, "Contacts") =
>>acObjStateOpen
>>           DoEvents
>>     Loop
>>.Quit acQuitSaveNone
>>
>>'MsgBox "Print"
>>End With
>>Set accRpt = Nothing
>>End Sub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Marty:
>>>
>>>Fine piece of investigation.
>>>
>>>I was just about to install SQL Empress on my 2003XP server, one with
>>>SQL
>>>2000/EM and would have lost the manager. I wondering if there is a work
>>>around as I was hoping to have an application put together using
>>>Access2003
>>>or VB.Net and SQL Express, by the end of the summer.
>>>
>>>Looks like that will not be possible for a while.
>>>
>>>I guess if the application is assembled, using SQL2000, the table
>>>structure/SP etc.. should be portable to SQL Express, on a XP box and
>>>Express.
>>>
>>>A little off topic:
>>>
>>>I have been trying to find some info on reporting capabilities of
>>>VB.Net...does it have any or does it require a third-party product
>>>like VB6?
>>>Has anyone worked or found a good site with code related to extending
>>>VB.Net
>>>grid capabilities?
>>>
>>>Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>>>MartyConnelly
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:48 AM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Some quick install notes and warnings on SQL
>>>Express2005
>>>
>>>
>>>SQL Express 2005 is Yukon and replacement for MSDE.  However, like
>>>MSDE, SQL
>>>Express does not have any administrative interfaces.  Review the
>>>installed
>>>documentation and its own BOL to learn more about SQL Express. They are
>>>supposed to bring out a Beta EM, backward compatible with MSDE.
>>>
>>>Some notes I have picked up that may help.
>>>
>>>1-------------------------------------------------
>>>SQL Express can't run on XP Home, so what is the purpose?
>>>
>>>One of the purposes for SQL Express is deployment with
>>>applications instead of JET. Now the software companies
>>>involved have to force their clients to buy XP Pro????
>>>Arrrghhhh!
>>>
>>>There are rumors you may be able to modify TCP ports to get around this.
>>>
>>>System Requirements for Express
>>>
>>>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/sysreqs/
>>>
>>>2  --------------------------------------------------
>>>FAQ: Installing SQL Express side by side with SQL 2000 Enterprise
>>>Manager
>>>seems to break EM. It is still broken when You uninstall Express.
>>>SQLDMO9 is
>>>culprit.
>>>
>>>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>>>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07.aspx
>>>
>>>3 -------------------------------------------
>>>I noticed that the DTS Runtime will not be included. In Access, you
>>>get the
>>>DTS Runtime when you install MSDE. Does this mean that DTS will not be
>>>available in Access?
>>>
>>>Currently, I use DTS to interact with SQL Server databases hosted at
>>>ISPs.
>>>It is a quick and easy solution to use the DTS Wizard to upload data
>>>from
>>>the Access database to the SQL Server database using bulk insert. I
>>>would
>>>hate to see that go away.
>>>
>>>4 -------------------------------------------------
>>>SQL Server Express does not have any connection limits.  4GB max size
>>>It doesn't install any test databases but there is a sample pubs
>>>database
>>>script install from download pages.
>>>I think you can install side by side with MSDE but you will break EM
>>>
>>>5.--------------------------------------------------
>>>SQL Server 2000 Reporting Services fails after installing SQL Server
>>>2005
>>>Fix here
>>>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/07/175820.aspx
>>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Welcome to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition Beta Guided
>>>Tour
>>>
>>>http://beta.asp.net/GuidedTour/s2.aspx
>>>
>>>Beta Private newsgroup -- good for problems
>>>
>>>microsoft.private.sqlserver2005.express
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=sqlserver2005&sl
>  
>
>>>cid=us
>>>
>>>
>>>Express overview
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/
>  
>
>>>sseoverview.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>--
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>>>Victoria, B.C.
>>>Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul 20 01:16:10 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:16:10 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <40FBC111.7550.8B3D198@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040719142057.00b41e68@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040720180106.00b92970@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Stuart.  I am having trouble converting your pseudocode into SQL.

>Sum(numbers *  datediff (currentrecorddate, (select max(date) from table 
>where
>date < currentrecorddate)))

How can I reference currentrecorddate in the Select part when it is not 
part of the select statement?

David

At 19/07/2004, you wrote:
>On 19 Jul 2004 at 14:29, David Emerson wrote:
>
> > Group,
> >
> > I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a number.  The 
> number
> > relates to all days from the date until the next record when the new date
> > provides a new number.  EG
> >
> > 7/1/04     10
> > 7/5/04     12
> > 7/8/04     15
> > 7/15/04    18
> >
> > The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 * 4 days = 40)
> > The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 * 3 days = 36)
> > The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15 * 7 days 
> = 105)
> >
> > I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days between each
> > date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can only think of
> > using a cursor and looping through the records recording the start and end
> > dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into actual code I
> > thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it
> > (apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).
> >
>
>Haven't got time now to do the whole thiing, I'm flying out in an hour or 
>so to
>do so work for a client on site but....
>
>In pseudocode, I would try something like
>
>Sum(numbers *  datediff (currentrecorddate, (select max(date) from table 
>where
>date < currentrecorddate)))
>
>
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul 20 01:15:57 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:15:57 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E998@remail2.westat.co m>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040720181414.00bbd810@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Francis,

The table is not large at this stage (only 700 records with about 60 added 
each month).

I think that what you are suggesting is what I envisaged I need to do - 
just looking to see if there were any easy tricks.

David

At 19/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>I'd be tempted to put the data into a table with an identity and then
>self-link the current and next rows. Any estimate on the size of the table
>you're working with?
>
>Francis R Harvey III
>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>harveyf1 at westat.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Emerson
> > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:30 PM
> > To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a
> > number.  The number
> > relates to all days from the date until the next record when
> > the new date
> > provides a new number.  EG
> >
> > 7/1/04     10
> > 7/5/04     12
> > 7/8/04     15
> > 7/15/04    18
> >
> > The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10
> > * 4 days = 40)
> > The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12
> > * 3 days = 36)
> > The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15
> > * 7 days = 105)
> >
> > I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days
> > between each
> > date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can
> > only think of
> > using a cursor and looping through the records recording the
> > start and end
> > dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into
> > actual code I
> > thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it
> > (apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > 25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
> > Mobile 027-280-9348
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From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul 20 06:48:54 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:48:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E9A2@remail2.westat.com>

David,

Yeah, that would get too big for it to be practical to load it into a
new table with the necessary identity each time. I would not suggest
adding the identity to your table as you might delete rows leading to
gaps in the row numbers.

I would be interested in a comparison of your cursor and Stuart's
method if you try both. I am not absolutely convinced that a cursor
approach would lose out here.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Emerson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
> 
> 
> Francis,
> 
> The table is not large at this stage (only 700 records with 
> about 60 added 
> each month).
> 
> I think that what you are suggesting is what I envisaged I 
> need to do - 
> just looking to see if there were any easy tricks.
> 
> David
<snip>


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Tue Jul 20 07:24:41 2004
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:24:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E9A3@remail2.westat.com>

David,

Maybe:

SELECT SUM(PeriodSum) AS PeriodTotalSum
FROM
    (
    SELECT 
        t2.PeriodValue *
        DateDiff
            (day,t2.PeriodStart, 
                (
                SELECT MIN(t1.PeriodStart)
                FROM dbo.Period as t1
                WHERE t1.PeriodStart > t2.PeriodStart
                )
            ) AS PeriodSum
    FROM dbo.Period as t2
    WHERE
        (
        SELECT MIN(t1.PeriodStart)
        FROM dbo.Period as t1
        WHERE t1.PeriodStart > t2.PeriodStart
        ) IS NOT NULL
    ) as t3

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of David Emerson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
> 
> 
> Thanks Stuart.  I am having trouble converting your 
> pseudocode into SQL.
> 
> >Sum(numbers *  datediff (currentrecorddate, (select 
> max(date) from table 
> >where
> >date < currentrecorddate)))
> 
> How can I reference currentrecorddate in the Select part when 
> it is not 
> part of the select statement?
> 
> David
<snip>


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul 20 14:21:49 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:21:49 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0481E9A3@remail2.westat.co m>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040721071943.00b2ddb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Stuart and Francis once again.  I have decided to go the way of the 
cursors because there are extra steps needed such as setting the first and 
last dates (each could be between records).

David

At 20/07/2004, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Maybe:
>
>SELECT SUM(PeriodSum) AS PeriodTotalSum
>FROM
>     (
>     SELECT
>         t2.PeriodValue *
>         DateDiff
>             (day,t2.PeriodStart,
>                 (
>                 SELECT MIN(t1.PeriodStart)
>                 FROM dbo.Period as t1
>                 WHERE t1.PeriodStart > t2.PeriodStart
>                 )
>             ) AS PeriodSum
>     FROM dbo.Period as t2
>     WHERE
>         (
>         SELECT MIN(t1.PeriodStart)
>         FROM dbo.Period as t1
>         WHERE t1.PeriodStart > t2.PeriodStart
>         ) IS NOT NULL
>     ) as t3
>
>Francis R Harvey III
>WB 303, (301)294-3952
>harveyf1 at westat.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> > Of David Emerson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:16 AM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
> >
> >
> > Thanks Stuart.  I am having trouble converting your
> > pseudocode into SQL.
> >
> > >Sum(numbers *  datediff (currentrecorddate, (select
> > max(date) from table
> > >where
> > >date < currentrecorddate)))
> >
> > How can I reference currentrecorddate in the Select part when
> > it is not
> > part of the select statement?
> >
> > David
><snip>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Jul 21 06:59:15 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:59:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?
Message-ID: <13975403.1090411155251.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
Is it possible to create a parameter type view in SQL Server 7.0, which I can then call from Visual Basic 6.  Something like SELECT * FROM tblPersonnel WHERE tblPersonnel.PayrollNo = ?   and then in VB something like rsPerson.Open("Query '" & Me.PayrollNo & "'"),OpenSQLConn   etc etc
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 21 07:23:32 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:23:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?
In-Reply-To: <13975403.1090411155251.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <000001c46f1d$8a103830$cc0aa845@hargrove.internal>

To my knowledge, views don't take parameters...only Stored Procedures do...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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To: dba-sqlserver
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?


To all,
Is it possible to create a parameter type view in SQL Server 7.0, which I
can then call from Visual Basic 6.  Something like SELECT * FROM
tblPersonnel WHERE tblPersonnel.PayrollNo = ?   and then in VB something
like rsPerson.Open("Query '" & Me.PayrollNo & "'"),OpenSQLConn   etc etc
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Jul 21 07:27:49 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:27:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?
Message-ID: <10485429.1090412869654.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Thought as much, thank you.





Message date : Jul 21 2004, 01:22 PM
>From : "Mike & Doris Manning" 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?
To my knowledge, views don't take parameters...only Stored Procedures do...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:59 AM
To: dba-sqlserver
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Views With Parameters ?


To all,
Is it possible to create a parameter type view in SQL Server 7.0, which I
can then call from Visual Basic 6. Something like SELECT * FROM
tblPersonnel WHERE tblPersonnel.PayrollNo = ? and then in VB something
like rsPerson.Open("Query '" & Me.PayrollNo & "'"),OpenSQLConn etc etc
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Jul 21 10:35:21 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:35:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Update Data From Same Table In Different Database
Message-ID: <1495094.1090424121734.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
 
I have two database?s in SQL Server 7.0, Genesis and GenesisTest.  Genesis contains all tables that have been directly exported from a live Access database, and GenesisTest contains some of the tables from Genesis which I am modifying (field names, lengths, datatypes etc).  I have a table called tblPersonnel in both SQL databases, what I want is a query to link the two tables by PayrollNo and update data in certain fields in the GenesisTest database. 
 
Whats the best way to do this, I am such a novice at SQL that I first thought about linking them both into an Access database and doing the query in there, but I?m sure there must be a better way.
 
Thanks for any help in advance.
 
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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Wed Jul 21 10:41:17 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:41:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Update Data From Same Table In Different Database
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020B36@snowmass.quiznos.net>

To reference any SQL table the syntax is ServerName.DatabaseName.CreatedByName.TableName

The majority of times you'll see just the last one or two, so dbo.tblPersonnel, but to reference a table in another database you just use:

GenesisTest.dbo.tblPersonnel

So you scan set up a stright update query using the two tables:
GenesisTest.dbo.tblPersonnel and Genesis.dbo.tblPersonnel

-Chris Mackin

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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:35 AM
To: dba-sqlserver
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Update Data From Same Table In Different
Database


To all,
 
I have two database's in SQL Server 7.0, Genesis and GenesisTest.  Genesis contains all tables that have been directly exported from a live Access database, and GenesisTest contains some of the tables from Genesis which I am modifying (field names, lengths, datatypes etc).  I have a table called tblPersonnel in both SQL databases, what I want is a query to link the two tables by PayrollNo and update data in certain fields in the GenesisTest database. 
 
Whats the best way to do this, I am such a novice at SQL that I first thought about linking them both into an Access database and doing the query in there, but I'm sure there must be a better way.
 
Thanks for any help in advance.
 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Jul 22 04:51:45 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:51:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Update Data From Same Table In Different
	Database
Message-ID: <31672489.1090489905926.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

Thanks for help, I tried the following stored procedure:
CREATE PROCEDURE [genesis_update_PersonnelRightToWork]
AS 
SET NOCOUNT ON
UPDATE [GenesisTest].[dbo].[tblPersonnel] 
SET   
  [RightToWorkID] =  [Genesis].[dbo].[tblPersonnel].[RightToWorkID]
WHERE 
 (  [PayrollNo]  =  [Genesis].[dbo].[tblPersonnel].[PayrollNo] )
SET NOCOUNT OFF
Something like the column prefix [Genesis].[dbo].[tblPersonnel] does not match with a table name or alias
Any help anyone ?
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland





Message date : Jul 21 2004, 04:42 PM
>From : "Mackin, Christopher" 
To : dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-SQLServer] Update Data From Same Table In Different Database
To reference any SQL table the syntax is ServerName.DatabaseName.CreatedByName.TableName

The majority of times you'll see just the last one or two, so dbo.tblPersonnel, but to reference a table in another database you just use:

GenesisTest.dbo.tblPersonnel

So you scan set up a stright update query using the two tables:
GenesisTest.dbo.tblPersonnel and Genesis.dbo.tblPersonnel

-Chris Mackin

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To all,

I have two database's in SQL Server 7.0, Genesis and GenesisTest. Genesis contains all tables that have been directly exported from a live Access database, and GenesisTest contains some of the tables from Genesis which I am modifying (field names, lengths, datatypes etc). I have a table called tblPersonnel in both SQL databases, what I want is a query to link the two tables by PayrollNo and update data in certain fields in the GenesisTest database. 

Whats the best way to do this, I am such a novice at SQL that I first thought about linking them both into an Access database and doing the query in there, but I'm sure there must be a better way.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Paul Hartland

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 22 10:00:54 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:00:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F9ZRO4XlnoAToX00055728@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02b701c46ffc$b05eefb0$6601a8c0@rock>

Have you considered using an "Instead Of" trigger, Billy? That might
give you everything you need. I just wrote a SQL Tip for Builder.com on
how and when to use "Instead Of" triggers, but since it hasn't been
published yet I can't attach it to a public list like this. However, I
encourage you to look up "Instead Of Triggers" in BOL, and go from
there. From what I have gathered, an Instead Of trigger will let you
accomplish exactly what you need.

Arthur

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
Pang
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk


Hi Shamil:

The sentence from BOL is absolutely correct.  But it does not give me
what I 
want; I need to have "identity" values moved from one table to another
after 
a view insert.  There is no doubt that a view can update multiple base 
tables; there is no question about that; and it is possible to reference

them unambigiously; however, the fact that it is an "instead of insert",
it 
is not possible to reference any identity values generated from the view

(without using scope_identity()).  This would not be a problem if it was

possible to create an "After" trigger on a view.

And yes, it works eloquently in Access.  For demonstration purposes,
within 
Access, create two tables with following schema:

tablea
tablea_id autonumber
tablea_value text(50)

tableb
tableb_id autonumber
tableb_tablea_id number long
tableb_value text(50)

then create a query called qryInsert with the following source:

SELECT tablea.tablea_id, tableb.tableb_id, tablea.tablea_value, 
tableb.tableb_value, tableb.tableb_tablea_id, tablea.tablea_id FROM
tablea INNER JOIN tableb ON tablea.tablea_id = tableb.tableb_tablea_id;

then create and execute the following query:

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('a','b')

followed by:

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
select tablea_value, tableb_value
from qryInsert

and again..

insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
select tablea_value, tableb_value
from qryInsert

and you will find four records in tablea as expected, four records in
tableb 
as expected and all four records in tablea have related records in
tableb.

Access was able to do this without any database triggers.  And Access
was 
able to accommodate "view inserts" that have SELECT as source.  If SQL 
Server is able to immitate this behavior (without using
scope_identity(), of 
course :) ), then I am would like to know.

Kindest regards,
Billy

>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
>
>Billy,
>
>What about that sentence from BOL?:
>
>"SQL Server 2000
>Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view. 
>The DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long 
>as SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to 
>updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition. Expect 
>differences in behavior when working with updatable views with more 
>than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE statements."
>
> > I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> > quite simple
>For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because it's 
>not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers. You can 
>also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...
>
> > the view insert (where it
> > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in 
> > Sql Server.
>Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question 
>is not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
> > Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
>that is
> > quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).  I
>thought
> > that there was a more simple solution because the view insert (where
>it
> > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in 
> > Sql Server.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Billy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> > >
> > >Hi Billy,
> > >
> > >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert

> > >trigger, did you? :)
> > >
> > >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume
>that
> > >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for 
> > >each certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers

> > >could have quite different implementation - as always in 
> > >programming an "optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a 
> > >compromise:
> > >
> > >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my 
> > >sample view then this means that:
> > >
> > >1. they all belong to one order
> > >2. product name is unique
> > >
> > >Then one of the the solutons is:
> > >
> > >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet
>such
> > >product,
> > >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> > >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to 
> > >tblProduct
>on
> > >ProdName
> > >
> > >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> > >
> > >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
>orders
> > >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by
>all
> > >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do 
> > >that
>and
> > >other tricky work! :)
> > >
> > >HTH,
> > >Shamil
> > >
> > >P.S. Solution:
> > >
> > >
> > >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> > >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> > >AS
> > >declare @ordID int
> > >
> > >Set NoCount On
> > >
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> > >(
> > >    [prodName]
> > >  , [prodCurPrice]
> > >)
> > >select
> > >    prodName
> > >  , prodCurPrice
> > >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
>tblProduct))
> > >
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> > >(
> > >    [ordDate]
> > >  , [custId]
> > >  , [ordCurTotal]
> > >)
> > >select top 1
> > >    ordDate
> > >  , custId
> > >  , ordCurTotal
> > >from inserted
> > >
> > >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> > >(
> > >    [ordId]
> > >  , [prodId]
> > >  , [oitAmount]
> > >)
> > >select
> > >    @ordId
> > >  , p.prodId
> > >  , oitAmount
> > >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
> > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >
> > >Set NoCount Off
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Shamil:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based 
> > > > on
>the
> > > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one 
> > > > at
>a
> > >time; if
> > > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then
>the
> > > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
> > > >
> > > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> > >statements:
> > > >
> > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > > >
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
>oitAmount
> > >from
> > > > qselOrder
> > > >
> > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > oitAmount)
> > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
>oitAmount
> > >from
> > > > qselOrder
> > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > >
> > > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
>insert
> > >four
> > > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> > >tblorderitems
> > > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table
>does
> > >not
> > > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > > >
> > > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> > >"inserted"
> > > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary
>table
> > >and
> > > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am 
> > > > wondering
>if
> > >there
> > > > is another way.
> > > >
> > > > sincerely,
> > > > Billy
> > > >
> > >
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 22 10:08:18 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:08:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040719142057.00b41e68@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <02bd01c46ffd$b8b07e80$6601a8c0@rock>

Just improvising here, so this is not genuine SQL, but....

Join the table to itself, but the second instance is something like
SELECT TOP 1 WHERE Date > MyCurrentDate (and of course the join occurs
on the PK), so that the joined data looks something like this (you
didn't mention the PK so I've added it in parens):

(pk)	7/1/04     10	(pk)	7/5/04     12

Assuming that you can join the tables like this, then it's trivial to
subtract the first date from the second to give you the number of days.

Does this help?
Arthur

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:30 PM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges


Group,

I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a number.  The
number 
relates to all days from the date until the next record when the new
date 
provides a new number.  EG

7/1/04     10
7/5/04     12
7/8/04     15
7/15/04    18

The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 * 4 days =
40) The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 * 3
days = 36) The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15
* 7 days = 105)

I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days between each 
date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can only think
of 
using a cursor and looping through the records recording the start and
end 
dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into actual code I 
thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it 
(apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
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From kens.programming at verizon.net  Thu Jul 22 12:15:08 2004
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:15:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Crosstabs - Pivots
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3ADA1@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20040722171416.OTOZ1464.out001.verizon.net@enterprise>

Someone may have something better, but something like the following is the
way I get a crosstab-like query in SQL Server:

SELECT JOB, CASE WHEN LEDGER = '04PRA' THEN BALANCE END AS '04PRA',
	CASE WHEN LEDGER = '04PRB' THEN BALANCE END AS '04PRB'
FROM ...

This assumes that you know the number of columns that you are
'transforming'.  Hope this helps.

Ken

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Andrew
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:23 AM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Crosstabs - Pivots

Greetings all.  The infamous crosstab question!

I've managed to get the data I require in the following format

JOB     LEDGER   BALANCE
0862	04PRA	    68444.85
0862	04PRB	    44783.0
0915	04PRA	    5092.0
0915	04PRB	    46000.0
1045	04PRA	    5400.0
1045	04PRB	    5400.0

How can I transform it to this:
JOB      04PRA        04PRB
0862     68444.85   44783.0
0915     5092.0       46000.0
1045     54000.0     5400.0


A few samples on the net show you how to do it, but they all require a
numeric value to pivot on so you can use an aggregate function.

I don't want to aggregate anything - just transform (pivot) them...

Thanks in advance

Andrew

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Jul 22 14:16:23 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:16:23 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
In-Reply-To: <02bd01c46ffd$b8b07e80$6601a8c0@rock>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040719142057.00b41e68@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040723071335.00b2db28@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Arthur,

I ended up needing to us a cursor in the end because there were other 
factors like needing to select records for a range of dates and changing 
the first and last dates if they were not exactly on the range.  I also 
needed to make sure that if there was only one record that it was included 
if it fell within the range.

The ideas everyone gave me will certainly be able to be used in the future.

David

At 22/07/2004, you wrote:
>Just improvising here, so this is not genuine SQL, but....
>
>Join the table to itself, but the second instance is something like
>SELECT TOP 1 WHERE Date > MyCurrentDate (and of course the join occurs
>on the PK), so that the joined data looks something like this (you
>didn't mention the PK so I've added it in parens):
>
>(pk)    7/1/04     10   (pk)    7/5/04     12
>
>Assuming that you can join the tables like this, then it's trivial to
>subtract the first date from the second to give you the number of days.
>
>Does this help?
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:30 PM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Values for date ranges
>
>
>Group,
>
>I have a table with a field for date, and a field for a number.  The
>number
>relates to all days from the date until the next record when the new
>date
>provides a new number.  EG
>
>7/1/04     10
>7/5/04     12
>7/8/04     15
>7/15/04    18
>
>The number 10 applies to 7/1 to 7/4 (providing a total of 10 * 4 days =
>40) The number 12 applies to 7/5 to 7/7 (providing a total of 12 * 3
>days = 36) The number 15 applies to 7/8 to 7/14 (providing a total of 15
>* 7 days = 105)
>
>I need to write a sproc that calculates the number of days between each
>date and adds up the numbers applying to those dates.  I can only think
>of
>using a cursor and looping through the records recording the start and
>end
>dates, and making the calculations.  Before I launch into actual code I
>thought I would check to see if there was any quicker way of doing it
>(apart from changing the table to record first and last dates).
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>Mobile 027-280-9348
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 22 19:41:39 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:41:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
Message-ID: <BAY1-F9bRa9KzxvgGqB0008fa67@hotmail.com>

Thanks Arthur for the tip.  The instead of trigger will help me for single 
inserts into the view because I can use scope_identity value from first 
insert to populate the child record.  Then the instead of trigger may need 
to incorporate a database cursor to loop through all records in inserted 
psuedo table to find the scope_identity value and insert the record into the 
child tables.

Sincerely,
Billy

>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:00:54 -0400
>
>Have you considered using an "Instead Of" trigger, Billy? That might
>give you everything you need. I just wrote a SQL Tip for Builder.com on
>how and when to use "Instead Of" triggers, but since it hasn't been
>published yet I can't attach it to a public list like this. However, I
>encourage you to look up "Instead Of Triggers" in BOL, and go from
>there. From what I have gathered, an Instead Of trigger will let you
>accomplish exactly what you need.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy
>Pang
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:05 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
>
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>The sentence from BOL is absolutely correct.  But it does not give me
>what I
>want; I need to have "identity" values moved from one table to another
>after
>a view insert.  There is no doubt that a view can update multiple base
>tables; there is no question about that; and it is possible to reference
>
>them unambigiously; however, the fact that it is an "instead of insert",
>it
>is not possible to reference any identity values generated from the view
>
>(without using scope_identity()).  This would not be a problem if it was
>
>possible to create an "After" trigger on a view.
>
>And yes, it works eloquently in Access.  For demonstration purposes,
>within
>Access, create two tables with following schema:
>
>tablea
>tablea_id autonumber
>tablea_value text(50)
>
>tableb
>tableb_id autonumber
>tableb_tablea_id number long
>tableb_value text(50)
>
>then create a query called qryInsert with the following source:
>
>SELECT tablea.tablea_id, tableb.tableb_id, tablea.tablea_value,
>tableb.tableb_value, tableb.tableb_tablea_id, tablea.tablea_id FROM
>tablea INNER JOIN tableb ON tablea.tablea_id = tableb.tableb_tablea_id;
>
>then create and execute the following query:
>
>insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value) values('a','b')
>
>followed by:
>
>insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
>select tablea_value, tableb_value
>from qryInsert
>
>and again..
>
>insert into qryInsert(tablea_value, tableb_value)
>select tablea_value, tableb_value
>from qryInsert
>
>and you will find four records in tablea as expected, four records in
>tableb
>as expected and all four records in tablea have related records in
>tableb.
>
>Access was able to do this without any database triggers.  And Access
>was
>able to accommodate "view inserts" that have SELECT as source.  If SQL
>Server is able to immitate this behavior (without using
>scope_identity(), of
>course :) ), then I am would like to know.
>
>Kindest regards,
>Billy
>
> >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:22:25 +0400
> >
> >Billy,
> >
> >What about that sentence from BOL?:
> >
> >"SQL Server 2000
> >Updatable views can modify more than one table involved in the view.
> >The DELETE, INSERT, and UPDATE statements can reference a view as long
> >as SQL Server can translate the user's update request unambiguously to
> >updates in the base tables referenced in the view's definition. Expect
> >differences in behavior when working with updatable views with more
> >than one table involved in the DELETE, INSERT, or UPDATE statements."
> >
> > > I was actually hoping for a solution that is
> > > quite simple
> >For me the solution looks simple. I called it tricky only because it's
> >not obvious when starting to work with instead of triggers. You can
> >also use a simple stored procedure to fullfill your task...
> >
> > > the view insert (where it
> > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
> > > Sql Server.
> >Are you sure it will work in MS Access for your task?  (This question
> >is not an invitation to MS Access vs. MS SQL2000 discussion)
> >
> >Shamil
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Shamil for your time.  I was actually hoping for a solution
> >that is
> > > quite simple (perhaps I was overlooking something very obvious).  I
> >thought
> > > that there was a more simple solution because the view insert (where
> >it
> > > affects multiple tables) works eloquently in MS Access but not in
> > > Sql Server.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Billy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >To: "dba-SQLServer" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:23 +0400
> > > >
> > > >Hi Billy,
> > > >
> > > >You didn't ask about inserting several rows using instead of insert
>
> > > >trigger, did you? :)
> > > >
> > > >Well, I think it can be done without cursors but we have to assume
> >that
> > > >there is no UNIVERSAL solution for such a case - I mean that for
> > > >each certain case the cursor-less solution with instead of triggers
>
> > > >could have quite different implementation - as always in
> > > >programming an "optimal" solution is a balance of interests, a
> > > >compromise:
> > > >
> > > >So if we assume that when several rows are inserted against my
> > > >sample view then this means that:
> > > >
> > > >1. they all belong to one order
> > > >2. product name is unique
> > > >
> > > >Then one of the the solutons is:
> > > >
> > > >- insert all rows into tblProduct from inserted if there is no yet
> >such
> > > >product,
> > > >- insert one row into tblOrder from inserted,
> > > >- insert all rows into tblOrdItem from inserted joined to
> > > >tblProduct
> >on
> > > >ProdName
> > > >
> > > >See SQL script in P.S. of this message.
> > > >
> > > >If you need something more complicated - e.g. inserting several
> >orders
> > > >against view like in the current sample avoiding cursors' usage by
> >all
> > > >means - if you need that - then you're welcome to hire me to do
> > > >that
> >and
> > > >other tricky work! :)
> > > >
> > > >HTH,
> > > >Shamil
> > > >
> > > >P.S. Solution:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >CREATE TRIGGER [qselInsert] ON [dbo].[qselOrder]
> > > >INSTEAD OF INSERT
> > > >AS
> > > >declare @ordID int
> > > >
> > > >Set NoCount On
> > > >
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblProduct]
> > > >(
> > > >    [prodName]
> > > >  , [prodCurPrice]
> > > >)
> > > >select
> > > >    prodName
> > > >  , prodCurPrice
> > > >from inserted where (prodName not in (select prodName from
> >tblProduct))
> > > >
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrder]
> > > >(
> > > >    [ordDate]
> > > >  , [custId]
> > > >  , [ordCurTotal]
> > > >)
> > > >select top 1
> > > >    ordDate
> > > >  , custId
> > > >  , ordCurTotal
> > > >from inserted
> > > >
> > > >Set @ordID = Cast(SCOPE_IDENTITY() As [int])
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >Insert Into [dbo].[tblOrderItem]
> > > >(
> > > >    [ordId]
> > > >  , [prodId]
> > > >  , [oitAmount]
> > > >)
> > > >select
> > > >    @ordId
> > > >  , p.prodId
> > > >  , oitAmount
> > > >from inserted i inner join tblProduct p on i.prodName = p.prodName
> > > >-- /////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >
> > > >Set NoCount Off
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Billy Pang" <tuxedo_man at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:18 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] tsql help - propogate that pk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Shamil:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your assistance.  Your solution will only work based
> > > > > on
> >the
> > > > > assumption that records can only be inserted into tblOrder one
> > > > > at
> >a
> > > >time; if
> > > > > insert statement for tblOrder table has "select" as source, then
> >the
> > > > > tblorderid fk in tblorderitem table may contain incorrect value.
> > > > >
> > > > > Using below example as example, execute the following insert
> > > >statements:
> > > > >
> > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > values(getdate(),1,2,'product name',4,5)
> > > > >
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> >oitAmount
> > > >from
> > > > > qselOrder
> > > > >
> > > > > insert into qselOrder(ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName,
> > > >prodCurPrice,
> > > > > oitAmount)
> > > > > select ordDate, custId, ordCurTotal, prodName, prodCurPrice,
> >oitAmount
> > > >from
> > > > > qselOrder
> > > > > <--- cut here --->
> > > > >
> > > > > assuming tblorder table is empty from very beginning, it will
> >insert
> > > >four
> > > > > records into tblorder table as expected and four records into
> > > >tblorderitems
> > > > > table as expected.  however, the fourth record in tblorder table
> >does
> > > >not
> > > > > have any related records in tblorderitems.
> > > > >
> > > > > One way around this problem is to load the values within the
> > > >"inserted"
> > > > > pseudo table into a table variable (assuming ss2k) or temporary
> >table
> > > >and
> > > > > loop through them using database cursor.  However, I am
> > > > > wondering
> >if
> > > >there
> > > > > is another way.
> > > > >
> > > > > sincerely,
> > > > > Billy
> > > > >
> > > >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 24 10:43:11 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:43:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What happens when
In-Reply-To: <003c01c46aa6$f38a50a0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <000701c47194$f007fb90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

What happens in SQL Server when a specific statement fails?

I am looking at a process of building a table, then inserting data into that
table, building another table, placing related data into that table.  All
using SQL.  The statements that place data in the first table require thaqt
the build table statement work of course, and the statements that place data
into the second table should not occur unless the entire first sequence
occurs since the second table is related to the first.

I understand the concept of transactions but what really happens?

Psuedo code

Start transaction
	Build table1
	Insert Row2
	Insert Row3
	Insert Row4

	Build Table2
	Insert row5
	Insert row6
	Insert Row7
Commit 

1) First, can statements that alter the database design be included inside
of transaction statements?  Whould I need to rearrange that to:

	Build table1
	Build Table2

Start transaction
	Insert Row2
	Insert Row3
	Insert Row4

	Insert row5
	Insert row6
	Insert Row7
Commit 
2) Suppose that Build Table1 fails?  Do the rest of the statements attempt
to execute?  Does the process fail immediately and report an error, refusing
to execute any subsequent statements?

3) Suppose that Insert Row3 fails?  Do the rest of the statements attempt to
execute or does the process fail and rollback automatically?

4) Is my process that is executng the code responsible for checking for
errors after each statement?

5) I have discovered how to create a script for creating the table
structure, but how do I create a script for creating the data in the table,
given a table with data in it?

6) Can scripts be executed directly (from windows explorer)?  I can take a
script and paste it into enterprise manager (query analyzer) and execute all
statements at one time.

John W. Colby




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Jul 24 12:14:11 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:14:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What happens when
References: <000701c47194$f007fb90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001d01c471a1$a4739c90$1b02a8c0@MARTINREID>

John

As far as I know with a transaction either it all suceeds or it all fails.
SO if Build Table 1 fails then the transaction fails totally.

The Begin Trans statement makes SQL Server treat everythig that follows as a
single statement hence the "all fail" if one fails.

RE statements (MSDN) all TSQL Statements with the exception of the following
can be useed inside a transaction

      ALTER DATABASE LOAD DATABASE
      BACKUP LOG LOAD TRANSACTION
      CREATE DATABASE RECONFIGURE
      DISK INIT RESTORE DATABASE
      DROP DATABASE RESTORE LOG
      DUMP TRANSACTION UPDATE STATISTICS


You should check for errors if your using an SP by testing @@Error if an
error occurs and branch out to the error handler. Put this directly
following any INSERT statement as its value is subject to change between
statement execution.

Use DTS for the data task.

I am sure you could execute the script from windows but at the command
prompt using ISQL. Never tried it via Win Explorer but bet soemone will show
a way. How about a little Bat file??

Martin










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What happens when


> What happens in SQL Server when a specific statement fails?
>
> I am looking at a process of building a table, then inserting data into
that
> table, building another table, placing related data into that table.  All
> using SQL.  The statements that place data in the first table require
thaqt
> the build table statement work of course, and the statements that place
data
> into the second table should not occur unless the entire first sequence
> occurs since the second table is related to the first.
>
> I understand the concept of transactions but what really happens?
>
> Psuedo code
>
> Start transaction
> Build table1
> Insert Row2
> Insert Row3
> Insert Row4
>
> Build Table2
> Insert row5
> Insert row6
> Insert Row7
> Commit
>
> 1) First, can statements that alter the database design be included inside
> of transaction statements?  Whould I need to rearrange that to:
>
> Build table1
> Build Table2
>
> Start transaction
> Insert Row2
> Insert Row3
> Insert Row4
>
> Insert row5
> Insert row6
> Insert Row7
> Commit
> 2) Suppose that Build Table1 fails?  Do the rest of the statements attempt
> to execute?  Does the process fail immediately and report an error,
refusing
> to execute any subsequent statements?
>
> 3) Suppose that Insert Row3 fails?  Do the rest of the statements attempt
to
> execute or does the process fail and rollback automatically?
>
> 4) Is my process that is executng the code responsible for checking for
> errors after each statement?
>
> 5) I have discovered how to create a script for creating the table
> structure, but how do I create a script for creating the data in the
table,
> given a table with data in it?
>
> 6) Can scripts be executed directly (from windows explorer)?  I can take a
> script and paste it into enterprise manager (query analyzer) and execute
all
> statements at one time.
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
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