From nancy.lytle at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 14:49:00 2005 From: nancy.lytle at gmail.com (worddiva) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:49:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files Message-ID: I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into some settings files and adding the application name to the connection string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My supervisor stated "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I think we should be trying to prevent. Thanks in advance, Nancy From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Feb 4 14:57:47 2005 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files Message-ID: An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any text editor. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" unless you've written software to look for that file name. If the application software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that xml file. We import and export xml files with different names and we store settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml files to store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. None of them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for specific xml file names. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into some settings files and adding the application name to the connection string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My supervisor stated "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I think we should be trying to prevent. Thanks in advance, Nancy _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From nancy.lytle at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:09:54 2005 From: nancy.lytle at gmail.com (worddiva) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:09:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is an example of the type of files I am referring to: 0 240 25 fcmail.xxxxxx.com 30 OpsAlert at xxxxxxxxxc.com Activation errors for Carrier There are %d orders with Activation errors . Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Initial Catalog=xxxxxxxxx;Data Source=xxxxxxxx;User Id=xxxxxxxx;pwd=xxxxxxx;application name=xxxxxxxxxxx Execute dbo.XXsp_MonitorErrors xxxxxxxx at xxxxxx.com;xxxxxx at xxxxxx.com; It would just seem good practice to me to name the files based on something descriptive so that when have have 100's of settings files, we don't make mistakes as to what file goes to what process. By boss still says: > "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind > like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name > settings.xml. If you are not clear, please let me know." I don't want to make a pest of myself but I also don't want at some time in the future have to correct any problems that come up. Any help appreciated. I just need to convince him this is possible and a good idea. Thanks, Nancy On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800, Charlotte Foust wrote: > An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any text editor. It > has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" unless you've > written software to look for that file name. If the application > software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file > named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that xml > file. > > We import and export xml files with different names and we store > settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml files to > store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. None of > them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for specific xml > file names. > > Charlotte Foust > > > -----Original Message----- > From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files > > I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and > I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into > some settings files and adding the application name to the connection > string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of > the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or > in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file > name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that > the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if > we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My > supervisor stated > "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind > like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name > settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where > a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I > think we should be trying to prevent. > > Thanks in advance, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:15:02 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:15:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nancy this topic is right "on-topic" what your boss is describing is a specific attribute to your .exe application. (re: the settings filename). This is a good article on reading xml data right out of a sql server ... the author (Arthur) also will muse over the threads on this list... http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com/2004/10/reading-xml-data-from-sql-server.html On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800, Charlotte Foust wrote: > An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any text editor. It > has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" unless you've > written software to look for that file name. If the application > software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file > named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that xml > file. > > We import and export xml files with different names and we store > settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml files to > store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. None of > them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for specific xml > file names. > > Charlotte Foust > > > -----Original Message----- > From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files > > I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and > I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into > some settings files and adding the application name to the connection > string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of > the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or > in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file > name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that > the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if > we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My > supervisor stated > "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind > like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name > settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where > a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I > think we should be trying to prevent. > > Thanks in advance, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From nancy.lytle at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:22:34 2005 From: nancy.lytle at gmail.com (worddiva) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:22:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, looks like a good article, and Arthur Fuller knows his stuff. I guess maybe I need to spend a fair amount on time on starting to learn XML and it uses. I just see problems in the future and I want to avoid if possible. Thanks, Nancy On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:15:02 -0800, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Nancy this topic is right "on-topic" what your boss is describing is a > specific attribute to your .exe application. (re: the settings > filename). > > This is a good article on reading xml data right out of a sql server > ... the author (Arthur) also will muse over the threads on this > list... > > http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com/2004/10/reading-xml-data-from-sql-server.html > > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > > An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any text editor. It > > has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" unless you've > > written software to look for that file name. If the application > > software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file > > named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that xml > > file. > > > > We import and export xml files with different names and we store > > settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml files to > > store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. None of > > them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for specific xml > > file names. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM > > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files > > > > I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and > > I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into > > some settings files and adding the application name to the connection > > string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of > > the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or > > in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file > > name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that > > the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if > > we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My > > supervisor stated > > "The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind > > like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name > > settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where > > a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I > > think we should be trying to prevent. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Nancy > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-SQLServer mailing list > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-SQLServer mailing list > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From chizotz at mchsi.com Fri Feb 4 15:32:25 2005 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:32:25 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer Message-ID: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does an OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated in many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see the full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. In the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me and can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of the data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in the right direction to how to write one in .NET? Thanks, Ron From nancy.lytle at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 15:39:11 2005 From: nancy.lytle at gmail.com (worddiva) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:39:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer In-Reply-To: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> References: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> Message-ID: You might check out apexsqldoc.exe I used it and love it for getting all the information out of a database. And its really not that expensive, under 200 and it creates a help file of the database that you can search etc, show the dependences for each item. Etc. I just wish I could get my boss to go ahead and buy it. Apex also has some other good looking items. Nancy On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:32:25 +0000, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer > both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does an > OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated in > many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see the > full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. In > the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me and > can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use > Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am > developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of the > data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). > > Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in the > right direction to how to write one in .NET? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From chizotz at mchsi.com Fri Feb 4 15:51:42 2005 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:51:42 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer Message-ID: <020420052151.23543.2566@mchsi.com> Hi Nancy, Thank you, that does look good and under $200 is in the right ball park. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it handles Oracle databases, which is my main problem at the moment. Hmmmm. Ron > You might check out apexsqldoc.exe I used it and love it for getting > all the information out of a database. And its really not that > expensive, under 200 and it creates a help file of the database that > you can search etc, show the dependences for each item. Etc. I just > wish I could get my boss to go ahead and buy it. > Apex also has some other good looking items. > > Nancy > > > On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:32:25 +0000, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > > I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer > > both SQL Server and Oracle databases. From nancy.lytle at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 16:04:04 2005 From: nancy.lytle at gmail.com (worddiva) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:04:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer In-Reply-To: <020420052151.23543.2566@mchsi.com> References: <020420052151.23543.2566@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Sorry I can't help you with Oracle. Never used, and kinda hope I never have to:) Good Luck, let us know what you find. Nancy On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:51:42 +0000, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Nancy, > > Thank you, that does look good and under $200 is in the right ball park. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it handles Oracle databases, which is my > main problem at the moment. > > Hmmmm. > > Ron > > > > You might check out apexsqldoc.exe I used it and love it for getting > > all the information out of a database. And its really not that > > expensive, under 200 and it creates a help file of the database that > > you can search etc, show the dependences for each item. Etc. I just > > wish I could get my boss to go ahead and buy it. > > Apex also has some other good looking items. > > > > Nancy > > > > > > On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:32:25 +0000, chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: > > > I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer > > > both SQL Server and Oracle databases. > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Feb 4 18:23:35 2005 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:23:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer References: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <42041207.6080501@shaw.ca> Here are a couple of reverse engineering tools for data modeling They are in $200 range CaseStudio http://www.casestudio.com/enu/reverse.aspx Enterprise Architect Data Modeling, Forward Database Engineering to DDL and Reverse Database Engineering from ODBC http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/ chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: >I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer >both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does an >OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated in >many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see the >full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. In >the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me and >can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use >Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am >developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of the >data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). > >Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in the >right direction to how to write one in .NET? > >Thanks, > >Ron > >_______________________________________________ >dba-SQLServer mailing list >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Feb 4 20:33:14 2005 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:33:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer In-Reply-To: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <0IBF00HL933AMY@l-daemon> Hi Ron: There is a nice open-source application from www.fabforce.net called DBDesigner: http://www.fabforce.net/downloadfile.php?iddownloadfile=1 Might be just what you need. It works with MySQL, SQLite, Oracle, MSSQL and any ODBC connectable database. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of chizotz at mchsi.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:32 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does an OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated in many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see the full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. In the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me and can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of the data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in the right direction to how to write one in .NET? Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Fri Feb 4 23:42:12 2005 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:42:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer In-Reply-To: <42041207.6080501@shaw.ca> References: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> <42041207.6080501@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <412519567.20050204234212@mchsi.com> Hello Marty, Well, all righty then. Thank you, very much. Ron Friday, February 4, 2005, 6:23:35 PM, you wrote: M> Here are a couple of reverse engineering tools for data modeling M> They are in $200 range M> CaseStudio M> http://www.casestudio.com/enu/reverse.aspx M> Enterprise Architect M> Data Modeling, Forward Database Engineering to DDL and Reverse Database M> Engineering from ODBC M> http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/ M> chizotz at mchsi.com wrote: >>I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer >>both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does an >>OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated in >>many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see the >>full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. In >>the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me and >>can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use >>Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am >>developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of the >>data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). >> >>Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in the >>right direction to how to write one in .NET? From chizotz at mchsi.com Fri Feb 4 23:49:16 2005 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:49:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer In-Reply-To: <0IBF00HL933AMY@l-daemon> References: <020420052132.8600.6025@mchsi.com> <0IBF00HL933AMY@l-daemon> Message-ID: <222448414.20050204234916@mchsi.com> Holy cats Jim, that may be my answer! My boss can hardly argue with 'free'! Thank you! Ron Friday, February 4, 2005, 8:33:14 PM, you wrote: JL> Hi Ron: JL> There is a nice open-source application from www.fabforce.net called JL> DBDesigner: JL> http://www.fabforce.net/downloadfile.php?iddownloadfile=1 JL> Might be just what you need. It works with MySQL, SQLite, Oracle, MSSQL and JL> any ODBC connectable database. JL> HTH JL> Jim JL> -----Original Message----- JL> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com JL> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JL> chizotz at mchsi.com JL> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:32 PM JL> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com JL> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Partially OT: Need to Reverse Engineer JL> I need a program that is free or extremely cheap that can reverse engineer JL> both SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have and use Visio 2003, which does JL> an JL> OK, but not great, job for what I need, but the SQL for views is truncated JL> in JL> many cases, apparently an arbitrary limit of some kind, and I need to see JL> the JL> full and often lengthy SQL behind views on databases that I did not create. JL> In JL> the case of Oracle, I do not have any of the Oracle tools available to me JL> and JL> can only connect to the database using the MS tools (EM, QA, .NET). I use JL> Enterprise Manager to test queries against the Oracle database and am JL> developing methods similar to data warehousing techniques to bring some of JL> the JL> data over to SQL Server (where I have full unrestricted access). JL> Failing a free or really cheap program to do this, can anyone point me in JL> the JL> right direction to how to write one in .NET? From artful at rogers.com Sat Feb 5 11:13:48 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:13:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4204FECC.7040401@rogers.com> Thanks for the plug, Francisco. But there's NO chance I'll get to the thread before about Tuesday. I've got 4 alligators left to kill. Francisco Tapia wrote: >Nancy this topic is right "on-topic" what your boss is describing is a >specific attribute to your .exe application. (re: the settings >filename). > >This is a good article on reading xml data right out of a sql server >... the author (Arthur) also will muse over the threads on this >list... > >http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com/2004/10/reading-xml-data-from-sql-server.html > > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800, Charlotte Foust > wrote: > > >>An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any text editor. It >>has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" unless you've >>written software to look for that file name. If the application >>software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file >>named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that xml >>file. >> >>We import and export xml files with different names and we store >>settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml files to >>store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. None of >>them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for specific xml >>file names. >> >>Charlotte Foust >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM >>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com >>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files >> >>I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML and >>I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with going into >>some settings files and adding the application name to the connection >>string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored procedure. All of >>the files are named 'settings.xml' no matter what they are used for or >>in, it is always settings. I suggested we might want to change the file >>name to something more descriptive than settings, but my boss says that >>the file must be named 'settings.xml'. Is that true? Or is it that if >>we rename the file, we must also rename in the application .exe? My >>supervisor stated >>"The settings file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind >>like the .ini file. However the XML software looks for a file name >>settings.xml" Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where >>a settings file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I >>think we should be trying to prevent. >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Nancy >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-SQLServer mailing list >>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-SQLServer mailing list >>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Feb 6 16:51:02 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:51:02 -0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: <4204FECC.7040401@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000d01c50c9e$55304500$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> >I've got 4 alligators left to kill. ??????????????????????????? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf > Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 05 February 2005 17:14 > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files > > > Thanks for the plug, Francisco. But there's NO chance I'll get to the > thread before about Tuesday. I've got 4 alligators left to kill. > > Francisco Tapia wrote: > > >Nancy this topic is right "on-topic" what your boss is > describing is a > >specific attribute to your .exe application. (re: the settings > >filename). > > > >This is a good article on reading xml data right out of a sql server > >... the author (Arthur) also will muse over the threads on > this list... > > > >http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com/2004/10/reading-xml-data- > from-sql-s > >erver.html > > > > > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:57:47 -0800, Charlotte Foust > > wrote: > > > > > >>An XML file is a text file and you can read it with any > text editor. > >>It has nothing whatsoever to do with any XML "software" > unless you've > >>written software to look for that file name. If the application > >>software is in .Net, it may be using typed datasets based on a file > >>named Settings.xml and/or it may contain a class to manipulate that > >>xml file. > >> > >>We import and export xml files with different names and we store > >>settings in xml files with specific names. We also use xml > files to > >>store lookup values that are not part of the back end data. > None of > >>them is named Settings.xml but we do have to program for > specific xml > >>file names. > >> > >>Charlotte Foust > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: worddiva [mailto:nancy.lytle at gmail.com] > >>Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:49 PM > >>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > >>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files > >> > >>I know this is a little off topic but we do use SQL Server with XML > >>and I know next to nothing about XML, but I have been tasked with > >>going into some settings files and adding the application > name to the > >>connection string, and replacing the in line SQL with a stored > >>procedure. All of the files are named 'settings.xml' no > matter what > >>they are used for or in, it is always settings. I > suggested we might > >>want to change the file name to something more descriptive than > >>settings, but my boss says that the file must be named > 'settings.xml'. > >>Is that true? Or is it that if we rename the file, we must also > >>rename in the application .exe? My supervisor stated "The settings > >>file is use as input into the XML process, it works kind > like the .ini > >>file. However the XML software looks for a file name settings.xml" > >>Already I have run across a situation in SourceSafe where a > settings > >>file was listed under the wrong process, which is what I think we > >>should be trying to prevent. > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >>Nancy > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-SQLServer mailing list > >>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-SQLServer mailing list > >>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > >>http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Feb 6 20:18:32 2005 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:18:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XML setting files In-Reply-To: <000d01c50c9e$55304500$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <4204FECC.7040401@rogers.com> <000d01c50c9e$55304500$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:51:02 -0000, Andy Lacey wrote: > >I've got 4 alligators left to kill. > > ??????????????????????????? Was up to his a** in aligators and is now down to only 4 ???? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:35:55 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:35:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] List to Table... Message-ID: Last week (or so) I posted a function that can be used to convert a list to a table... I was creating an audit log that would have used concactecated a list into a single column, but broke away from that as it's not a normalized design instead I went w/ a standard parent table, child table design which joined data approrpately... the reason to considering the former, is because the web ui will be passing me a string list of id's for me to check against... I just finished making the 2ndary part to the listToTable function which handles a quick conversion and it's all cursorless... I expect that the solution will be faster than a cursor but I've only tested it w/ less than 3000 records... http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! From artful at rogers.com Wed Feb 9 16:36:32 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:36:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] View existing jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420A9070.2000803@rogers.com> I can't find the place in EM that will allow me to view existing jobs. Help! TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 From CMackin at quiznos.com Wed Feb 9 16:46:59 2005 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:46:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] View existing jobs Message-ID: SQLServer Name -> Management -> SQL Server Agent -> Jobs should take care of it. -Chris Mackin -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:37 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] View existing jobs I can't find the place in EM that will allow me to view existing jobs. Help! TIA, Arthur > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 18:33:22 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:33:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] View existing jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's listed under the Sql Server Agent (Management, SqlSrvAgent, Jobs) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:36:32 -0500 > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] View existing jobs > I can't find the place in EM that will allow me to view existing jobs. Help! > > TIA, > Arthur > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Sat Feb 12 07:53:43 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:53:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - List Down Temporarily Message-ID: <420DC417.16251.564D22@localhost> Sorry for the short notice folks, but the lists are going down at approx. 9am ET for an upgrade. There was a security vulnerability found late this week in the software that runs our lists. This upgrade will take care of that. We should be down for a couple of hours. Sorry for the inconvenience. Bryan -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind - Dr.Seuss From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Sat Feb 12 09:12:07 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Lists Back Up Message-ID: <420DD677.6783.9E167F@localhost> The lists are back up and now patched. We are no longer vulnerable. I hope this didn't cause too much inconvinience. If you notice *ANYTHING* unusual in the next few days with the list(s), please let me know right away. Thanks for your patience. -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 10:32:23 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:32:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation Message-ID: <39cb22f30502130832460fd5df@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, I downloaded the DB Designer 4 from FabForce to check it out. I thought I'd see what it could do with a database I've got on my workstation's copy of SQL Server 2000. It has helped me in my development of a .NET application. Anyway, my SQL Server uses Windows authentication and I change my workstation password every 60 days. Imagine my surprise today when I looked at the Logins under Security for my server...and I found 459 logins!!!!!!!????? What the heck, over? I looked at the properties for a bunch of these bogus logins and I see that all the Authentication options are disabled, but there's a password listed and the radio button for SQL Server Authentication is selected. None of these users (at least the ones I've checked so far) have no Server roles selected nor do they have permissions for any of the databases I've got. Now this is creeping me out because: 1) I have a Router 2) I use ZoneAlarm Pro Looking at my ZoneAlarm Pro settings, I see that the settings I used to have for blocking incoming UDP and TCP requests on the SQL Server ports are gone. Does this mean that, since I have my SQL Server running all the time on my workstation, that SQL Server requests have been made hundreds of times and neither my router's firewall nor ZoneAlarm has raised a red flag? Any thoughts on this? My period of alarm is past since it appears that none of these Logins have access to anything...but how did they get into my server? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI www.swerbach.com Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 13 12:33:51 2005 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:33:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30502130832460fd5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0IBV0041V4WEF8@l-daemon> Hi Steve: Is you port 1433 open. That, by default is the port that your SQL listens. In many commercial application the SQL port is changed so hackers will not be able to find it as easily over the web. See (http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/servers/0,39020445,2111369,00.htm) You should change MS SQL listen port. I have only worked on closed network SQL applications so am unfamiliar with method of setting up the host and clients. Some of the list gurus know all the paticulars. I do not know how your 'friends' are getting but check router settings. (I am assuming you have a configurable or firewall router. If not get one; firewall software can be compromised but it is much more difficult to compromise hardware, it is a heck of a lot faster, the processing is not actually running on the computer being hacked and the last thing a development computer needs is another process stealing cycles. Oh yes, if you do have a router, change the login password to anything other than 'admin'.) Directed to my main server I only have 3 ports open. If I scan the router logs I can see a steady pinging of about once every 20 seconds... I think this is fairly standard web traffic. A few months ago, it appeared that from the logs the router was been hit every 2 seconds from a particular location. After checking the IP location (Sam Spade) it turned out to be from some place in Isreal. Though the specific person could not be located just sending an abuse request to the hackers ISP resulted in an almost immediate termination of the scanning. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:32 AM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation Dear Group, I downloaded the DB Designer 4 from FabForce to check it out. I thought I'd see what it could do with a database I've got on my workstation's copy of SQL Server 2000. It has helped me in my development of a .NET application. Anyway, my SQL Server uses Windows authentication and I change my workstation password every 60 days. Imagine my surprise today when I looked at the Logins under Security for my server...and I found 459 logins!!!!!!!????? What the heck, over? I looked at the properties for a bunch of these bogus logins and I see that all the Authentication options are disabled, but there's a password listed and the radio button for SQL Server Authentication is selected. None of these users (at least the ones I've checked so far) have no Server roles selected nor do they have permissions for any of the databases I've got. Now this is creeping me out because: 1) I have a Router 2) I use ZoneAlarm Pro Looking at my ZoneAlarm Pro settings, I see that the settings I used to have for blocking incoming UDP and TCP requests on the SQL Server ports are gone. Does this mean that, since I have my SQL Server running all the time on my workstation, that SQL Server requests have been made hundreds of times and neither my router's firewall nor ZoneAlarm has raised a red flag? Any thoughts on this? My period of alarm is past since it appears that none of these Logins have access to anything...but how did they get into my server? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI www.swerbach.com Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com Sun Feb 13 13:09:31 2005 From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:09:31 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30502130832460fd5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure how those logins got there in first place. first thing I'd check is syslogins table to see when they were created. (ie. SELECT crdate,* FROM master.dbo.SYSLOGINS). maybe that provides some insight. what is an example of the bogus logins that are created? do they follow some sort of naming convention? maybe it was created during some sort of app install. HTH Billy >From: Steve Erbach >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:32:23 -0600 > >Dear Group, > >I downloaded the DB Designer 4 from FabForce to check it out. I >thought I'd see what it could do with a database I've got on my >workstation's copy of SQL Server 2000. It has helped me in my >development of a .NET application. > >Anyway, my SQL Server uses Windows authentication and I change my >workstation password every 60 days. Imagine my surprise today when I >looked at the Logins under Security for my server...and I found 459 >logins!!!!!!!????? > >What the heck, over? I looked at the properties for a bunch of these >bogus logins and I see that all the Authentication options are >disabled, but there's a password listed and the radio button for SQL >Server Authentication is selected. None of these users (at least the >ones I've checked so far) have no Server roles selected nor do they >have permissions for any of the databases I've got. > >Now this is creeping me out because: > >1) I have a Router >2) I use ZoneAlarm Pro > >Looking at my ZoneAlarm Pro settings, I see that the settings I used >to have for blocking incoming UDP and TCP requests on the SQL Server >ports are gone. Does this mean that, since I have my SQL Server >running all the time on my workstation, that SQL Server requests have >been made hundreds of times and neither my router's firewall nor >ZoneAlarm has raised a red flag? > >Any thoughts on this? My period of alarm is past since it appears that >none of these Logins have access to anything...but how did they get >into my server? > >Regards, > >Steve Erbach >Scientific Marketing >Neenah, WI >www.swerbach.com >Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security >_______________________________________________ >dba-SQLServer mailing list >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 21:22:29 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:22:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f30502130832460fd5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30502131922412017af@mail.gmail.com> Billy and Jim, I have the answer. I've been working on an ASP.NET application that uses a SQL Server backend. The SQL Server database is hosted on a shared SQL Server by CrystalTech. There are 401 databases on this particular SQL Server. On Jan. 17th I backed up my client's database to my local server. For some reason my backup brought in all the various syslogins for all the rest of the databases on that CrystalTech server. None of them can get at the data on my own server, of course; I just somehow copied the login definitions for all 450+ users of that CrystalTech server. Beats the tar out of me. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:09:31 +0000, Billy Pang wrote: > Not sure how those logins got there in first place. first thing I'd check > is syslogins table to see when they were created. (ie. SELECT crdate,* FROM > master.dbo.SYSLOGINS). maybe that provides some insight. what is an > example of the bogus logins that are created? do they follow some sort of > naming convention? maybe it was created during some sort of app install. > > HTH > > Billy From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Sun Feb 13 22:00:38 2005 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:30:38 +1030 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC42A@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Are you talking about a DTS data transfer for your backup? From memory there's an option to 'transfer logins' or something similar, so maybe this was what grabbed them?? -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 1:52 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation Billy and Jim, I have the answer. I've been working on an ASP.NET application that uses a SQL Server backend. The SQL Server database is hosted on a shared SQL Server by CrystalTech. There are 401 databases on this particular SQL Server. On Jan. 17th I backed up my client's database to my local server. For some reason my backup brought in all the various syslogins for all the rest of the databases on that CrystalTech server. None of them can get at the data on my own server, of course; I just somehow copied the login definitions for all 450+ users of that CrystalTech server. Beats the tar out of me. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:09:31 +0000, Billy Pang wrote: > Not sure how those logins got there in first place. first thing I'd > check is syslogins table to see when they were created. (ie. SELECT > crdate,* FROM master.dbo.SYSLOGINS). maybe that provides some > insight. what is an example of the bogus logins that are created? do > they follow some sort of naming convention? maybe it was created during some sort of app install. > > HTH > > Billy _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ *** This email any any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Feb 13 23:02:43 2005 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:02:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30502131922412017af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0IBV00A4ZY0H5J@l-daemon> Steve: It was good to hear you got the problem solved. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:22 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation Billy and Jim, I have the answer. I've been working on an ASP.NET application that uses a SQL Server backend. The SQL Server database is hosted on a shared SQL Server by CrystalTech. There are 401 databases on this particular SQL Server. On Jan. 17th I backed up my client's database to my local server. For some reason my backup brought in all the various syslogins for all the rest of the databases on that CrystalTech server. None of them can get at the data on my own server, of course; I just somehow copied the login definitions for all 450+ users of that CrystalTech server. Beats the tar out of me. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:09:31 +0000, Billy Pang wrote: > Not sure how those logins got there in first place. first thing I'd check > is syslogins table to see when they were created. (ie. SELECT crdate,* FROM > master.dbo.SYSLOGINS). maybe that provides some insight. what is an > example of the bogus logins that are created? do they follow some sort of > naming convention? maybe it was created during some sort of app install. > > HTH > > Billy _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jeff at outbaktech.com Mon Feb 14 13:24:03 2005 From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:24:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline Message-ID: Does anyone have experience trying to transfer data from Access (SQL backend) into Timberline? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff at outbaktech.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 14 13:57:14 2005 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:57:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0IBX00J4R3FC01@l-daemon> Hi Jeff: Wow that's a blast from the past...construction estimating isn't it? No import tools? I remember getting it connected to Bedford accounting (the forerunner of a couple of CA product and even QuickBooks....but that is another story.) a number of years ago. Is TimberLine using a proprietary BE? (It use to be just a flatbase file system but, again, a while ago.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:24 AM To: AccessD; Dba-SQL Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline Does anyone have experience trying to transfer data from Access (SQL backend) into Timberline? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff at outbaktech.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org Mon Feb 14 14:07:54 2005 From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:07:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline Message-ID: <01B619CB8F6C8C478EDAC39191AEC51E0415136E@doesefpeml02.eus.fldoe.int> My son's network consulting firm works with a lot of construction companies in Southeast Florida who use Timberline. I am in the process of creating an Access database that will update Outlook contacts from Timberline. He says he can export from Timberline through ODBC but can not import into Timberline at all. I don't yet know what the BE is like. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:57 PM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline Hi Jeff: Wow that's a blast from the past...construction estimating isn't it? No import tools? I remember getting it connected to Bedford accounting (the forerunner of a couple of CA product and even QuickBooks....but that is another story.) a number of years ago. Is TimberLine using a proprietary BE? (It use to be just a flatbase file system but, again, a while ago.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:24 AM To: AccessD; Dba-SQL Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Access and Timberline Does anyone have experience trying to transfer data from Access (SQL backend) into Timberline? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff at outbaktech.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:15:18 2005 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:15:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Logins on workstation In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC42A@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20BC42A@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <39cb22f30502150715784fa7ef@mail.gmail.com> Andrew, That could very well have been the case. It's an option I wasn't aware of, though, actually, I don't remember using DTS. It seems odd, though, since I got ALL the logins for EVERY database on that SQL Server even though I only backed up my client's database. Steve Erbach On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:30:38 +1030, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > Are you talking about a DTS data transfer for your backup? From memory > there's an option to 'transfer logins' or something similar, so maybe > this was what grabbed them?? From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:35:54 2005 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:35:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administration script... Message-ID: generally this info is sufficient USE master EXEC sp_configure 'show advanced option', '1' but other times it is useful to pickup some extra information about "YOUR" current configuration. One idea is to loop through each of the db's given by the master system tables to locate each database name and gain the info by running it against something like DBCC SHOWFILESTATS. I'm curious to know what kind of monitoring or scripting you do for your enterprise / soho. -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...