From artful at rogers.com  Tue Jul  5 06:31:50 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:31:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] MS Reports download
In-Reply-To: <42C4367C.2010706@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <200507051131.j65BVvR22724@databaseadvisors.com>

I seem to have misplaced the standalone download of MS Reports. And I cannot
find it at Microsoft.com. Anyone got a lead where to obtain it? Or failing
that, the original download itself? (If it's huge you could ftp it to my
site. Contact me privately for the details.)

TIA,
A.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 12:26:31 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:26:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Sql Job: The System Cannot find the file specified
Message-ID: <b874372a050705102614b2ff11@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Sql Server who's hardware was just upgraded, and I noticed
that all my sql server jobs which were scheduled DTS jobs are failing
(those w/ ActiveX scripts).

Windows 2000 Server SP4
Sql Server 2000 SP3a

Sql Server Agent Login: local admin account

Error:
Executed as User (xxxx). The process could not be created for step 1
of job 0x..... (reason: the system cannot find the file specified).
The step failed



Troubleshooting: I re-created the DTS job and the Sql Job, I can run
the DTS job manuall w/ success but cannot seem to have it run when
scheduled.  what step did I miss?

Thanks for your help
-- 
-Francisco
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:43:43 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:43:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the file
	specified
In-Reply-To: <b874372a050705105930709caa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <LYRIS-9078501-1241440-2005.07.05-12.39.14--fhtapia#gmail.com@ls.sswug.org>
	<b874372a050705105930709caa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0507051143477d1d4d@mail.gmail.com>

I found the solution
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q322746

Because of the upgrade somehow the path was not specefied thus the
bogus error...

On 7/5/05, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I re-created the DTS, then I re-scheduled the DTS, that job failed w/
> the same error I'm looking at the configuration and it all seems
> normal (I suppose).  The sql server agent is a local admin account. :(
> 
> On 7/5/05, Bott, Bruce - SICA <bbott at simpson.com> wrote:
> > Did you create a new schedule for the (new) job?
> >
> > -- bb
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-sql2k-6502234 at ls.sswug.org
> > [mailto:bounce-sql2k-6502234 at ls.sswug.org] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:27 AM
> > To: SQL Server 2k List
> > Subject: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the file specified
> >
> > I have a Sql Server who's hardware was just upgraded, and I noticed that
> > all my sql server jobs which were scheduled DTS jobs are failing (those
> > w/ ActiveX scripts).
> >
> > Windows 2000 Server SP4
> > Sql Server 2000 SP3a
> >
> > Sql Server Agent Login: local admin account
> >
> > Error:
> > Executed as User (xxxx). The process could not be created for step 1 of
> > job 0x..... (reason: the system cannot find the file specified).
> > The step failed
> >
> >
> >
> > Troubleshooting: I re-created the DTS job and the Sql Job, I can run the
> > DTS job manuall w/ success but cannot seem to have it run when
> > scheduled.  what step did I miss?
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> > --
> > -Francisco
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 14:46:29 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:46:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] UPDATE syntax with JOIN
Message-ID: <20050705194630.SYZX6485.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

UPDATE Authors 
INNER JOIN AuthorsPublicationsmm 
ON Authors.AuthorID = AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDFK 
SET AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDGUIDFK = [Authors].[AuthorIDGUID]
WHERE (([Authors].[AuthorID]=[AuthorsPublicationsmm].[AuthorIDFK]))
 
======The above statement runs in Access just fine, but I get an error on
INNER JOIN in SQL Server. I checked bol, but geez... what a mess that was.
:( 
 
I'm trying to update the AuthorIDGUIDFK value in a many to many table based
on the AUthorIDGUID value in Authors.
 
Thanks!
Susan H. 


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 14:53:04 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:53:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sorry, let me try again
Message-ID: <20050705195305.TDKE6485.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

UPDATE AuthorsPublicationsmm 
INNER JOIN Authors 
ON AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDFK = Authors.AuthorID 
SET AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDGUIDFK = [Authors].[AuthorIDGUID]
WHERE (([Authors].[AuthorID]=[AuthorsPublicationsmm].[AuthorIDFK]));
 
Sent the wrong statement, but same problem. 
 
Susan H. 
 
 


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 16:13:18 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:13:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
Message-ID: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store? 
 
Susan H. 


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 16:48:22 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:48:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
References: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <b874372a0507051448744da6f6@mail.gmail.com>

not that I'm aware of., I think the only limitation is hdd size.

On 7/5/05, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store?
> 


-- 
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 16:52:39 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:52:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0507051448744da6f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050705215251.GTXI29052.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

That's what I thought. Thanks!

Susan H. 

not that I'm aware of., I think the only limitation is hdd size.




From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Tue Jul  5 16:53:08 2005
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:53:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
References: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <23786.65.196.182.34.1120600388.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.

> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store?
>
> Susan H.
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 17:03:02 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:03:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <23786.65.196.182.34.1120600388.squirrel@65.196.182.34>
Message-ID: <20050705220302.GXUZ29052.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Anybody know what the limit would be using an identity column -- eventually,
the identity column's going to hit a ceiling, right?

Susan H. 

Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Jul  5 17:26:56 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:26:56 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <20050705211319.UCIJ4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <42CB95D0.12241.F69FE41@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Jul 2005 at 17:13, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store? 
>  
BOL:

SQL Server 2000 has high-speed optimizations that support very large 
database environments. SQL Server version 6.5 and earlier can support 
databases from 200 GB through 300 GB. SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 
version 7.0 can effectively support terabyte-sized databases

-- 
Stuart




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul  5 18:50:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:50:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0507051448744da6f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c581bc$46c864a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Every database has limitations based on the number of bits used in tables to
define the storage.  It may be high, but it will exist.  There will also be
maximums inferable based on container size and data size.  For example if
the max container size is 2gb (personal version) and you want to store a
single long (32 bit) value then you could store ~512 million records minus
overhead.

I am not finding published maximums for number of records.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:48 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?


not that I'm aware of., I think the only limitation is hdd size.

On 7/5/05, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can 
> store?
> 


-- 
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 19:40:37 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:40:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <006f01c581bc$46c864a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050706004046.XSCI4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

 Thanks John -- thanks everyone -- it's been an interesting discussion. 

Susan H. 

Every database has limitations based on the number of bits used in tables to
define the storage.  It may be high, but it will exist.  There will also be
maximums inferable based on container size and data size.  For example if
the max container size is 2gb (personal version) and you want to store a
single long (32 bit) value then you could store ~512 million records minus
overhead.

I am not finding published maximums for number of records.




From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Tue Jul  5 20:05:22 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:05:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] UPDATE syntax with JOIN
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D2A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Hi Susan,

This is the syntax you require.

UPDATE    [Table1]
SET [Field] = [NewValue]
FROM [Table1] INNER JOIN [Table2] ON
[Table1].[Field] = [Table2].[Field]
WHERE [criteria]

Cheers

Michael M


UPDATE Authors
INNER JOIN AuthorsPublicationsmm
ON Authors.AuthorID = AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDFK SET
AuthorsPublicationsmm.AuthorIDGUIDFK = [Authors].[AuthorIDGUID] WHERE
(([Authors].[AuthorID]=[AuthorsPublicationsmm].[AuthorIDFK]))
 
======The above statement runs in Access just fine, but I get an error
on INNER JOIN in SQL Server. I checked bol, but geez... what a mess that
was.
:( 
 
I'm trying to update the AuthorIDGUIDFK value in a many to many table
based on the AUthorIDGUID value in Authors.
 
Thanks!
Susan H. 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Jul  5 22:59:33 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:59:33 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Convert Characters to Number
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706153727.02b4ade0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

SQL2000.

I have a varchar field that stores text.  Sometimes the first 2 characters 
will be a number.  I am looking for an easy way to check if the first two 
characters are a valid number, and then convert them to a number so that I 
can do some comparisons with other numbers.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 23:44:57 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:44:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Convert Characters to Number
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706153727.02b4ade0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706153727.02b4ade0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <b874372a05070521445b9d06ba@mail.gmail.com>

IsNumeric(LEFT(YourField,2)) = 1

On 7/5/05, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> SQL2000.
> 
> I have a varchar field that stores text.  Sometimes the first 2 characters
> will be a number.  I am looking for an easy way to check if the first two
> characters are a valid number, and then convert them to a number so that I
> can do some comparisons with other numbers.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> 25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
> Wellington, New Zealand
> Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
> Mobile 027-280-9348
> 
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> 


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From Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk  Wed Jul  6 02:31:02 2005
From: Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:31:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Convert Characters to Number
Message-ID: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E4A37C6@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>

How about :

	ISNUMERIC(LEFT(FieldName,2)) 


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Sent: 06 July 2005 05:00
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Convert Characters to Number

SQL2000.

I have a varchar field that stores text.  Sometimes the first 2
characters will be a number.  I am looking for an easy way to check if
the first two characters are a valid number, and then convert them to a
number so that I can do some comparisons with other numbers.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348 

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Jul  6 07:48:51 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:48:51 -0500 
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CA88@natexch.jenkens.com>

I believe identity used on a long integer, so there is the theoretical limit
to that value.  Identity itself is not limited though.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?


Anybody know what the limit would be using an identity column -- eventually,
the identity column's going to hit a ceiling, right?

Susan H. 

Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul  6 08:44:22 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:44:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was something like 40 or 48
bits.  Remember that SQL Server Is designed to run on 64 bit machines where
a long int is 64 bits.  For some odd reason they still didn't just use a 64
bit number however (IIRC).

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam,
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:49 AM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?


I believe identity used on a long integer, so there is the theoretical limit
to that value.  Identity itself is not limited though.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?


Anybody know what the limit would be using an identity column -- eventually,
the identity column's going to hit a ceiling, right?

Susan H. 

Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Jul  6 10:21:13 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:21:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] UPDATE syntax with JOIN
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D2A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <20050706152113.LGWA4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Thanks -- that was it. 

Susan H. 

Hi Susan,

This is the syntax you require.

UPDATE    [Table1]
SET [Field] = [NewValue]
FROM [Table1] INNER JOIN [Table2] ON
[Table1].[Field] = [Table2].[Field]
WHERE [criteria]

Cheers

Michael M



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul  6 10:46:48 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:46:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the
	filespecified
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0507051143477d1d4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200507061546.j66FksR28935@databaseadvisors.com>

Just out of curiosity, Francisco, how did you find the reference to your
problem? Search on the text of the error message or what?

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: July 5, 2005 2:44 PM
To: SQL Server 2k List; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the
filespecified

I found the solution
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q322746

Because of the upgrade somehow the path was not specefied thus the
bogus error...




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 11:06:20 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:06:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the
	filespecified
In-Reply-To: <200507061546.j66FksR28935@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <b874372a0507051143477d1d4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200507061546.j66FksR28935@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050706090658a45903@mail.gmail.com>

I had to change around my keywords, I kept the error message "The
System cannot find the specified file" + dts +sql server

I think that was the combination that finally hit on the knowledgebase
article link below.. :) I had to update the path variable (back to the
dos roots) :D, hahahaha...

On 7/6/05, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, Francisco, how did you find the reference to your
> problem? Search on the text of the error message or what?
> 
> A.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: July 5, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: SQL Server 2k List; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Re: Sql Job: The System Cannot find the
> filespecified
> 
> I found the solution
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q322746
> 
> Because of the upgrade somehow the path was not specefied thus the
> bogus error...
> 
> 
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From JKOCHANEK at PARTNERS.ORG  Wed Jul  6 14:32:22 2005
From: JKOCHANEK at PARTNERS.ORG (Kochanek, John )
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:32:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
Message-ID: <1AF23D0AD12E7444A5DB083CA978B734022E1B7B@PHSXMB1.partners.org>

There is information here (notes the total 32TB size).

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_ar_t
s_8dbn.asp

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Moss
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?


Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.

> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store?
>
> Susan H.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Jul  6 16:28:37 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:28:37 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <1AF23D0AD12E7444A5DB083CA978B734022E1B7B@PHSXMB1.partners.org>
Message-ID: <42CCD9A5.18363.21866D9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Jul 2005 at 15:32, Kochanek, John wrote:

> There is information here (notes the total 32TB size).
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_ar_t
> s_8dbn.asp
> 

That info is also in BOL under "Maxmium Capcacity Specifications" 
The 32TB limit is on a single file.  
It also gives: Database Size: 1,048,516 TB !!!!



-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul  6 17:29:40 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:29:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <20050705220302.GXUZ29052.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <200507062229.j66MTcR29194@databaseadvisors.com>

In theory, yes. In practice, if the scope of an Identity column is
insufficient, use a GUID instead.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: July 5, 2005 6:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?

Anybody know what the limit would be using an identity column -- eventually,
the identity column's going to hit a ceiling, right?

Susan H. 

Microsoft says it's only limited by the amount of available storage, but
somewhere else they say that a file can't be larger than 32 tb.

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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul  6 17:31:29 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:31:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
In-Reply-To: <42CB95D0.12241.F69FE41@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200507062231.j66MVRR29466@databaseadvisors.com>

I've read the docs too, and agree that what you say corresponds with what MS
says. But I lack the hardware resources to test this effectively. Does
anyone on this list have sufficient HW resources to create a multi-TB
database and then to test its response time? 

I doubt it but I thought I would ask anyway.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: July 5, 2005 6:27 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?

On 5 Jul 2005 at 17:13, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can store? 
>  
BOL:

SQL Server 2000 has high-speed optimizations that support very large 
database environments. SQL Server version 6.5 and earlier can support 
databases from 200 GB through 300 GB. SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 
version 7.0 can effectively support terabyte-sized databases

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Jul  6 17:37:56 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:37:56 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Convert Characters to Number
In-Reply-To: <b874372a05070521445b9d06ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706153727.02b4ade0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<b874372a05070521445b9d06ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050707103709.031295c0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Francisco and Paul.

At 6/07/2005, Francisco Tapia wrote:
>IsNumeric(LEFT(YourField,2)) = 1
>
>On 7/5/05, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
> > SQL2000.
> >
> > I have a varchar field that stores text.  Sometimes the first 2 characters
> > will be a number.  I am looking for an easy way to check if the first two
> > characters are a valid number, and then convert them to a number so that I
> > can do some comparisons with other numbers.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Emerson
> > Dalyn Software Ltd
> > 25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
> > Wellington, New Zealand
> > Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
> > Mobile 027-280-9348



From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu Jul  7 17:59:11 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:59:11 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D37@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Sadly no...  :-)

cheers

Michael M 


I've read the docs too, and agree that what you say corresponds with
what MS says. But I lack the hardware resources to test this
effectively. Does anyone on this list have sufficient HW resources to
create a multi-TB database and then to test its response time? 

I doubt it but I thought I would ask anyway.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: July 5, 2005 6:27 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?

On 5 Jul 2005 at 17:13, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can
store? 
>  
BOL:

SQL Server 2000 has high-speed optimizations that support very large
database environments. SQL Server version 6.5 and earlier can support
databases from 200 GB through 300 GB. SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server
version 7.0 can effectively support terabyte-sized databases

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Jul  7 19:02:35 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:02:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D37@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <42CDC29B.3000007@shaw.ca>


Here is a online almost terabyte database running on SQL Server you can 
query from Access,
unfortunately you need academic permission to do large queries.
The total amount of data in the two databases is 818 GB,
and the total number of rows exceeds 3.4 billion.

But as of now it only maps 1/10 to 1/5 of sky area of Northern hemisphere

Sloan Digital Sky Survey
http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/

Database Physical and Logical design

http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/sdss/data/data.asp#databases


Microsoft SQL Server Size statement.

Microsoft? SQL Server" 2000 Meta Data Services uses storage provided by 
a DBMS.
SQL Server 2000 imposes no practical limit on logical database size.
However there are probably physical limits with Partioned tables and 
physical disk size.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/reposad/raarchitecture_8flf.asp

There are record limits to OLAP SQL Server databases something like 2^32 
*128 * 65K
If you want to work out dimensions and cubes.

Michael Maddison wrote:

>Sadly no...  :-)
>
>cheers
>
>Michael M 
>
>
>I've read the docs too, and agree that what you say corresponds with
>what MS says. But I lack the hardware resources to test this
>effectively. Does anyone on this list have sufficient HW resources to
>create a multi-TB database and then to test its response time? 
>
>I doubt it but I thought I would ask anyway.
>
>A.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: July 5, 2005 6:27 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] limit to records?
>
>On 5 Jul 2005 at 17:13, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Is there a limit to the number of records a SQL Server table can
>>    
>>
>store? 
>  
>
>> 
>>    
>>
>BOL:
>
>SQL Server 2000 has high-speed optimizations that support very large
>database environments. SQL Server version 6.5 and earlier can support
>databases from 200 GB through 300 GB. SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server
>version 7.0 can effectively support terabyte-sized databases
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
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>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  9 15:48:13 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:48:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
Message-ID: <20050709204812.EBPH4481.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched
FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS
DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
ELSE
 INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser, actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Sat Jul  9 16:35:45 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:35:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050709204812.EBPH4481.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000701c584ce$2d442fe0$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?

Hth
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:48 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched
FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS
DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
ELSE
 INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then,
I decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and
I don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary
key value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  9 16:45:45 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:45:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <000701c584ce$2d442fe0$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>
Message-ID: <20050709214544.KYOV12482.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Sat Jul  9 17:16:39 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:16:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050709214544.KYOV12482.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000801c584d3$e4d494b0$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>


It would go in place of where you have the variable:
IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I',@@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate())


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT,
UPDATE AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then,
I decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and
I don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary
key value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  9 17:20:54 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:20:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <000701c584ce$2d442fe0$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>
Message-ID: <20050709222053.DLPI11957.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Nevermind -- I don't think I can do what I want to do with such a simple
trigger. 

What I've got only records the DML action once. If the action acts upon
multiple records, there's still only one record in the table. So, passing
the record's primary key value isn't valid anyway. 

Is it possible to record each record changed by a DML trigger, as opposed to
what I'm doing? 

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?

Hth
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:48 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  9 17:24:42 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:24:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <000801c584d3$e4d494b0$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>
Message-ID: <20050709222441.DLXL11957.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I didn't ask the question right I'm sure. 

I'm not trying to create a new identity value for the audit record. I was
trying to pass the primary key value from the record being acted upon by the
DML statement to the audit table. 

But, that's not really appropriate in this trigger, as I've already figured
out. 

Thank you for trying to help. 

Susan H. 

It would go in place of where you have the variable:
IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I',@@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate())


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 10 11:26:20 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:26:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050709222441.DLXL11957.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <200507101626.j6AGQQR20606@databaseadvisors.com>

In a trigger, there are two implicit tables hidden to all processes but the
trigger itself. The two tables are called #Inserted and #Deleted. In an
insert trigger the latter table is empty. In a delete trigger the former
table is empty. In an update trigger both tables contain one row (#deleted
contains the old data, #inserted the new data).

Thus, to determine the PK of the row being updated, and using your
column-name RecordID, you would do this:

SELECT RecordID FROM #Deleted

Which you could embed right in the column-list of your INSERT statement,
parenthesized of course.

HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: July 9, 2005 6:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

I didn't ask the question right I'm sure. 

I'm not trying to create a new identity value for the audit record. I was
trying to pass the primary key value from the record being acted upon by the
DML statement to the audit table. 

But, that's not really appropriate in this trigger, as I've already figured
out. 

Thank you for trying to help. 

Susan H. 

It would go in place of where you have the variable:
IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I',@@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate())


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Jul 10 12:11:03 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:11:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Opening a log and keeping it open (cross-posted to
	dba-sql)
In-Reply-To: <200507101407.j6AE7pR22822@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200507101711.j6AHB6R30337@databaseadvisors.com>

I've got a procedure called ExecuteCommand (which perhaps ought to have been
named ExecuteSQLCommand, but anyway). It encapsulates a bunch of stuff like
the current project connection and such, and contains debug code that prints
the SQL it is attempting to execute, and also an error handler that reports
"Problem executing " + the SQL code it received.

This is all very nice and works splendidly. However, the debug window has
decided limitations, so I've been thinking that I should write all this
information to a sort of transaction log. Basically, take what I now print
to the debug window and re-direct it to an ASCII file of a known name, etc. 

I have worked with reading and writing ASCII text files so I'm not a
complete na?f in this regard, but I do have a question. Suppose that I
revise the code such that the first time ExcuteCommand is called it opens
the file, creating it if necessary, and leaves it open. Every subsequent
visit to Execute Command finds the file open and simply appends its SQL
statement, just as it would to the debug window... but with the advantage
that I could have several hours' worth of statements recorded to the file,
rather than merely the last N lines of the debug buffer.

1. Would the app suffer in terms of performance if I did this?
2. Assuming that I opened the file in the usual way (as #1 or whatever), and
assuming that somewhere in the app I also open another text file, should I
protect myself by opening it as #98765 or somesuch, so that if you drop said
module into one of your apps, it would be guaranteed to work even if your
app opens a dozen other text files at various points?
3. Presumably the code would also need a "close the file" chunk, but in the
ideal world I wouldn't want you to have to code any special thing into your
"close app" procedure. So perhaps this might be better dealt with as a
class? But I seem to recall from Shamil's writing on classes that there is
an issue regarding the proper termination and garbage disposal of a class.

Any suggestions, anyone?
Arthur



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Jul 10 14:24:46 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:24:46 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Opening a log and keeping it open (cross-posted
	to dba-sql)
In-Reply-To: <200507101711.j6AHB6R30337@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200507101407.j6AE7pR22822@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <42D2029E.4819.DB72EEA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Jul 2005 at 13:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Suppose that I
> revise the code such that the first time ExcuteCommand is called it opens
> the file, creating it if necessary, and leaves it open. Every subsequent
> visit to Execute Command finds the file open and simply appends its SQL
> statement, just as it would to the debug window... but with the advantage
> that I could have several hours' worth of statements recorded to the file,
> rather than merely the last N lines of the debug buffer.

The problem with leaving the file open is that the OS is likely to keep a 
lock on it if your app crashes. Keeping it open may also prevent you from 
accessing the log info while your app is running.   Depending on how 
frequently you will be logging,  try opening the file, appending the log 
entry and then closing it again.

Although slightly slower,  it is much safer.

> 
> 1. Would the app suffer in terms of performance if I did this?

Writing out to  a text file is pretty fast.  It all depends on how often 
you are expecting ExecuteCommand to Execute.  I wouldn't expect any 
noticable performance drop in normal circumstances.

> 2. Assuming that I opened the file in the usual way (as #1 or whatever), and
> assuming that somewhere in the app I also open another text file, should I
> protect myself by opening it as #98765 or somesuch, 

You have to use file numbers in the range 1?255, inclusive for files not 
accessible to other applications or file numbers in the range 256?511 for 
files accessible from other applications.

> so that if you drop said
> module into one of your apps, it would be guaranteed to work even if your
> app opens a dozen other text files at various points?

Use FreeFile or FreeFile(0) to get the next available handle in the range 1 
- 255 or FreeFile(1) to get the next available handle in the range 256 - 
a511. 

> 3. Presumably the code would also need a "close the file" chunk, but in the
> ideal world I wouldn't want you to have to code any special thing into your
> "close app" procedure. So perhaps this might be better dealt with as a
> class? But I seem to recall from Shamil's writing on classes that there is
> an issue regarding the proper termination and garbage disposal of a class.
> 
> Any suggestions, anyone?

Here's a simple shell for the above ideas without an error handling

Function Log(strLogInfo as String)

Dim intLogFileNunber as Integer
Dim strLogFile as String
strLogFile = "Logfile.txt"

intLogFileNumber = Freefile
Open strLogFile For Append As #intLogFileNumber
Print#1, strLogInfo
Close $intLogFileNumber

End Function


-- 
Stuart




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 10 16:09:31 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:09:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <200507101626.j6AGQQR20606@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050710211039.TCAT9115.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Arthur -- I tried that, but it returned an error -- but I did not include a
# character -- I will try it that way. Thanks!

Susan H. 

In a trigger, there are two implicit tables hidden to all processes but the
trigger itself. The two tables are called #Inserted and #Deleted. In an
insert trigger the latter table is empty. In a delete trigger the former
table is empty. In an update trigger both tables contain one row (#deleted
contains the old data, #inserted the new data).

Thus, to determine the PK of the row being updated, and using your
column-name RecordID, you would do this:

SELECT RecordID FROM #Deleted

Which you could embed right in the column-list of your INSERT statement,
parenthesized of course.

HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: July 9, 2005 6:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

I didn't ask the question right I'm sure. 

I'm not trying to create a new identity value for the audit record. I was
trying to pass the primary key value from the record being acted upon by the
DML statement to the audit table. 

But, that's not really appropriate in this trigger, as I've already figured
out. 

Thank you for trying to help. 

Susan H. 

It would go in place of where you have the variable:
IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I',@@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate())


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT, UPDATE
AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then, I
decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and I
don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary key
value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Sun Jul 10 20:20:43 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:20:43 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D40@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Not sure about the # myseld but I'd like to add that 'inserted' and
'deleted' can in some instances contain multiple rows.
If you think this affects you you could do something like...
Select Count(*) from inserted
or
@@ROWCOUNT may work as well.

cheers

Michael M


Arthur -- I tried that, but it returned an error -- but I did not
include a # character -- I will try it that way. Thanks!

Susan H. 

In a trigger, there are two implicit tables hidden to all processes but
the trigger itself. The two tables are called #Inserted and #Deleted. In
an insert trigger the latter table is empty. In a delete trigger the
former table is empty. In an update trigger both tables contain one row
(#deleted contains the old data, #inserted the new data).

Thus, to determine the PK of the row being updated, and using your
column-name RecordID, you would do this:

SELECT RecordID FROM #Deleted

Which you could embed right in the column-list of your INSERT statement,
parenthesized of course.

HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: July 9, 2005 6:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

I didn't ask the question right I'm sure. 

I'm not trying to create a new identity value for the audit record. I
was trying to pass the primary key value from the record being acted
upon by the DML statement to the audit table. 

But, that's not really appropriate in this trigger, as I've already
figured out. 

Thank you for trying to help. 

Susan H. 

It would go in place of where you have the variable:
IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I',@@IDENTITY, User_Name(), GetDate())


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question


Well, if it works, I couldn't figure it out.  

Susan H. 

Have you tried @@IDENTITY ?



CREATE TRIGGER AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert ON dbo.roysched FOR INSERT,
UPDATE AS DECLARE @precordID varchar(6)

IF UPDATE(royalty)
  INSERT INTO auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('U', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate()) ELSE  INSERT INTO
auditable (actiondescription, recordID, actionuser,
actiondate)
   VALUES ('I', @precordID, User_Name(), GetDate())
 
=========The above trigger started  out as a simple audit trigger. Then,
I decided to add the table's primary key value to the audit record, and
I don't know how to do it -- how do I pass the current record's primary
key value, being dbo.roysched.title_id to the @precordID variable? 
 
Susan H. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 11 00:57:05 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:57:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Opening a log and keeping it open (cross-postedto
	dba-sql)
In-Reply-To: <42D2029E.4819.DB72EEA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200507110557.j6B5v1R09140@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! I think I'll change the number to 254 for safety but nice concise
code.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: July 10, 2005 3:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Opening a log and keeping it open
(cross-postedto dba-sql)

On 10 Jul 2005 at 13:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Suppose that I
> revise the code such that the first time ExcuteCommand is called it opens
> the file, creating it if necessary, and leaves it open. Every subsequent
> visit to Execute Command finds the file open and simply appends its SQL
> statement, just as it would to the debug window... but with the advantage
> that I could have several hours' worth of statements recorded to the file,
> rather than merely the last N lines of the debug buffer.

The problem with leaving the file open is that the OS is likely to keep a 
lock on it if your app crashes. Keeping it open may also prevent you from 
accessing the log info while your app is running.   Depending on how 
frequently you will be logging,  try opening the file, appending the log 
entry and then closing it again.

Although slightly slower,  it is much safer.

> 
> 1. Would the app suffer in terms of performance if I did this?

Writing out to  a text file is pretty fast.  It all depends on how often 
you are expecting ExecuteCommand to Execute.  I wouldn't expect any 
noticable performance drop in normal circumstances.

> 2. Assuming that I opened the file in the usual way (as #1 or whatever),
and
> assuming that somewhere in the app I also open another text file, should I
> protect myself by opening it as #98765 or somesuch, 

You have to use file numbers in the range 1-255, inclusive for files not 
accessible to other applications or file numbers in the range 256-511 for 
files accessible from other applications.

> so that if you drop said
> module into one of your apps, it would be guaranteed to work even if your
> app opens a dozen other text files at various points?

Use FreeFile or FreeFile(0) to get the next available handle in the range 1 
- 255 or FreeFile(1) to get the next available handle in the range 256 - 
a511. 

> 3. Presumably the code would also need a "close the file" chunk, but in
the
> ideal world I wouldn't want you to have to code any special thing into
your
> "close app" procedure. So perhaps this might be better dealt with as a
> class? But I seem to recall from Shamil's writing on classes that there is
> an issue regarding the proper termination and garbage disposal of a class.
> 
> Any suggestions, anyone?

Here's a simple shell for the above ideas without an error handling

Function Log(strLogInfo as String)

Dim intLogFileNunber as Integer
Dim strLogFile as String
strLogFile = "Logfile.txt"

intLogFileNumber = Freefile
Open strLogFile For Append As #intLogFileNumber
Print#1, strLogInfo
Close $intLogFileNumber

End Function


-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 11 00:59:21 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:59:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D40@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <200507110559.j6B5xHR09459@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes you're quite right, Michael. Should the update say "Update * FROM
Customers SET City = 'Los Angeles' WHERE City = 'New York'", then there
could be many rows in both #Inserted and #Deleted.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: July 10, 2005 9:21 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

Not sure about the # myseld but I'd like to add that 'inserted' and
'deleted' can in some instances contain multiple rows.
If you think this affects you you could do something like...
Select Count(*) from inserted
or
@@ROWCOUNT may work as well.

cheers

Michael M




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 07:58:24 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:58:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <200507110559.j6B5xHR09459@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050711125825.CKZK17591.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

It's not working for me. #deleted returns an "invalid object" error. I'm
using an INSTEAD trigger though, so maybe the #deleted table doesn't exist
for that kind of trigger? I could see where that might be the case. 

Susan H. 

Yes you're quite right, Michael. Should the update say "Update * FROM
Customers SET City = 'Los Angeles' WHERE City = 'New York'", then there
could be many rows in both #Inserted and #Deleted.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 08:23:53 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:23:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <200507110559.j6B5xHR09459@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050711132351.CCIA20097.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I get the same error on #insert -- just can't seem to get this to work
Arthur. Is there perhaps some permission or something that I need to flag to
let me view data from these two tables? Or, perhaps it's a question of
timing? 

I have a simple insert/update trigger and at the end I put 

SELECT Count(*) from #insert

And it returned an invalid object error on #insert.

Susan H. 

Yes you're quite right, Michael. Should the update say "Update * FROM
Customers SET City = 'Los Angeles' WHERE City = 'New York'", then there
could be many rows in both #Inserted and #Deleted.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: July 10, 2005 9:21 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

Not sure about the # myseld but I'd like to add that 'inserted' and
'deleted' can in some instances contain multiple rows.
If you think this affects you you could do something like...
Select Count(*) from inserted
or
@@ROWCOUNT may work as well.

cheers

Michael M


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 08:27:36 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:27:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050711132351.CCIA20097.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <20050711132734.CEIW20097.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Should have included the trigger: simple really -- very basic -- same for
the INSTEAD trigger that I'm trying to run to catch DML DELETE. 

CREATE TRIGGER [AuditRoyaltyUpdateInsert] ON dbo.roysched
  FOR INSERT, UPDATE
  AS
  IF UPDATE(royalty)
    INSERT INTO audittable (actiondescription, actionuser, actiondate)
     VALUES ('U', User_Name(), GetDate())
  ELSE
     INSERT INTO audittable (actiondescription, actionuser, actiondate)
      VALUES ('I', User_Name(), GetDate())
  SELECT Count(*) FROM #insert

I tried a PRINT, but couldn't get the syntax right -- I don't really care if
I can "see" the result of the count -- just thought if it didn't return an
error than I was at least talking to it -- know what I mean?

Thanks!
Susan H. 








 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

I get the same error on #insert -- just can't seem to get this to work
Arthur. Is there perhaps some permission or something that I need to flag to
let me view data from these two tables? Or, perhaps it's a question of
timing? 

I have a simple insert/update trigger and at the end I put 

SELECT Count(*) from #insert

And it returned an invalid object error on #insert.

Susan H. 

Yes you're quite right, Michael. Should the update say "Update * FROM
Customers SET City = 'Los Angeles' WHERE City = 'New York'", then there
could be many rows in both #Inserted and #Deleted.

A.

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To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

Not sure about the # myseld but I'd like to add that 'inserted' and
'deleted' can in some instances contain multiple rows.
If you think this affects you you could do something like...
Select Count(*) from inserted
or
@@ROWCOUNT may work as well.

cheers

Michael M


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 10:16:06 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:16:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] more on trigger
Message-ID: <20050711151604.EMFJ4982.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Well, I can get "inserted" -- Arthur, where are you getting the # character?
When I use the # character, I get an error -- but inserted (with ed) works. 
 
Still having trouble with deleted though -- I think it's a question of
timing, I'm just asking for the info at a time when it doesn't exist I'm
sure. 
 
Susan H. 
 



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 14:24:10 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:24:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] trigger -- resolved
Message-ID: <20050711192646.HOWV23762.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

The trigger's working now -- with the implicit tables names of deleted and
inserted. Thanks everyone for your help -- it was my own fault -- I was
using the wrong column names in the UPDATE -- stupid mistake that had
nothing to do with the trigger at all. 
 
Susan H. 



From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 11 19:14:53 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:14:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050711132351.CCIA20097.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <200507120014.j6C0EsR03126@databaseadvisors.com>

It is #Inserted not #Insert.

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Harkins
Sent: July 11, 2005 9:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

I get the same error on #insert -- just can't seem to get this to work
Arthur. Is there perhaps some permission or something that I need to flag to
let me view data from these two tables? Or, perhaps it's a question of
timing? 

I have a simple insert/update trigger and at the end I put 

SELECT Count(*) from #insert

And it returned an invalid object error on #insert.

Susan H. 




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 19:16:19 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:16:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <200507120014.j6C0EsR03126@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050712001621.KZHA17655.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

What version are you using Arthur? I'm using 2000 and inserted works,
#inserted does not. 

Susan H. 

It is #Inserted not #Insert.



From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Jul 11 19:23:55 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:23:55 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D43@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Susan,

I think Arthur got it slightly wrong.  '#' denotes a temp table. 
Just use inserted/deleted.

BTW you can use QA to debug triggers by creating an sp that will trigger
the trigger and
when you debug the sp it will step into the trigger...  HTH

cheers

Michael M



What version are you using Arthur? I'm using 2000 and inserted works,
#inserted does not. 

Susan H. 

It is #Inserted not #Insert.

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 11 19:27:05 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:27:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D43@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <200507120027.j6C0R8R05972@databaseadvisors.com>

Yup. Stoopid me. Trusting the Outlook compiler again.

A.

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: July 11, 2005 8:24 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question

Susan,

I think Arthur got it slightly wrong.  '#' denotes a temp table. 
Just use inserted/deleted.

BTW you can use QA to debug triggers by creating an sp that will trigger
the trigger and
when you debug the sp it will step into the trigger...  HTH

cheers

Michael M




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 20:00:53 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:00:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D43@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <20050712010055.MPLR16323.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Michael -- that's pretty cool. Thanks!

Susan H. 

Susan,

I think Arthur got it slightly wrong.  '#' denotes a temp table. 
Just use inserted/deleted.

BTW you can use QA to debug triggers by creating an sp that will trigger the
trigger and when you debug the sp it will step into the trigger...  HTH

cheers

Michael M



What version are you using Arthur? I'm using 2000 and inserted works,
#inserted does not. 

Susan H. 

It is #Inserted not #Insert.

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 11 20:04:54 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:04:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
In-Reply-To: <20050712010055.MPLR16323.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <20050712010456.MQRF16323.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Um... How would I do that?

Susan H. 

Michael -- that's pretty cool. Thanks!

Susan H. 


BTW you can use QA to debug triggers by creating an sp that will trigger the
trigger and when you debug the sp it will step into the trigger...  HTH



From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Jul 11 21:40:36 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:40:36 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TRIGGER question
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D47@ddi-01.DDI.local>

I'm using SQL 2K.

Create your test SP, something like...

create procedure dbo.testTrigger
as
insert into TestTable
values('a','b')

Open QA, find your new SP, right click on it in the object browser,
select debug.  You SHOULD be able to step
through using F11 IIRC

cheers

Michael M 


Um... How would I do that?

Susan H. 

Michael -- that's pretty cool. Thanks!

Susan H. 


BTW you can use QA to debug triggers by creating an sp that will trigger
the trigger and when you debug the sp it will step into the trigger...
HTH

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From jonathan.guise at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Jul 12 08:16:07 2005
From: jonathan.guise at donnslaw.co.uk (Jonathan Guise)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:16:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server 7 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807503ED2@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I have got a peculiar SQL server 7 bug/issue any ideas would be welcome.
 
Problem: Different logons produce different data results from client
application
 
The application calls a series of view enhanced stored procedures stored on
a SQL Server 7 database that query from a large database that is copied over
from an Informix database back end every night.  After I have built these
base tables, I add indexes to the tables to speed up the queries.  During my
testing today, these base table have been un-touched, I have just selected
from them.  The stored procedures are all re-compiled before being run
(although this should have no impact except on the run speed).
 
Example: A user logs onto the client application and runs a report off.  I
them run the same report after that user and get differing results (more
rows returned).
Then the initial user runs the same report again and gets the new, different
results as I did.  
 
It would appear that records are omitted from the SQL (sproc) results until
another logon 'finds' them....  
 
I have found nothing online that mentions this error, unless I am looking in
the wrong place.
 
The SQL Server instance I am running on is:
Microsoft SQL Server  7.00 - 7.00.1063 (Intel X86) Apr  9 2002 14:18:16
Copyright (c) 1988-2002 Microsoft Corporation  Standard Edition on Windows
NT 5.0 (Build 2195: Service Pack 4) 

 
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Jul 12 10:29:39 2005
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:29:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Progmatic data import
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Hi All,

If I want to import data, say every night, into SQL Server 7 from a comma
delimited text file, what is the best way to achieve this?

Is this where DTS comes in? The text file will be uploaded via FTP to the
server that is running SS7 so it will be local to that server.

Thanks!
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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Tue Jul 12 10:52:22 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:52:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Progmatic data import
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A schedule DTS package is a good way to handle this.

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Hi All,

If I want to import data, say every night, into SQL Server 7 from a comma
delimited text file, what is the best way to achieve this?

Is this where DTS comes in? The text file will be uploaded via FTP to the
server that is running SS7 so it will be local to that server.

Thanks!
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Jul 12 13:46:00 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:46:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3C2@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the last
step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
	Dim fso
	Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
	Set fso = Nothing
	Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control over
these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Jul 12 14:03:02 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:03:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CAE0@natexch.jenkens.com>

Are you sure that e:\ is the same drive you think you are referring to?
This can be tricky with DTS, I always use the UNC path to avoid confusion.

Debbie

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Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS


In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the last
step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
	Dim fso
	Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
	Set fso = Nothing
	Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control over
these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Jul 12 14:11:30 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:11:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3C3@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

The E drive is an actual local drive. I know the path works because I am
importing bom.txt in a previous step with success.

To note, it looks like I can't delete a file from an ActiveX task, which is
part of a move. I can use the CopyFile method from the FileSystemObject but
I can't do a move or delete.
If I run the code below from a .vbs file on the server that is running the
DTS package, the DeleteFile and MoveFile methods work!

I wonder is if this is some kind of limitation for DTS in SS7?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
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Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

Are you sure that e:\ is the same drive you think you are referring to?
This can be tricky with DTS, I always use the UNC path to avoid confusion.

Debbie

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To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS


In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the last
step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
        Dim fso
        Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
        fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
        Set fso = Nothing
        Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control over
these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 12 19:03:10 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:03:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS
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Hi Joe:

Try using the UNC code for naming the source and destination computers.
Remember that the DTS code runs from the relative location where the MS SQL
server resides not from any local client drive. What the server that hosts
the SQL server sees are what drives are available to it, with all the
permissions. The SQL just thinks the C: drive as local to it. Use something
like "\\MyMSSQLServerDrive\ftp\bom.txt" or "\\MyCommonEDrive\ftp\pub\"

Jim

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To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

The E drive is an actual local drive. I know the path works because I am
importing bom.txt in a previous step with success.

To note, it looks like I can't delete a file from an ActiveX task, which is
part of a move. I can use the CopyFile method from the FileSystemObject but
I can't do a move or delete.
If I run the code below from a .vbs file on the server that is running the
DTS package, the DeleteFile and MoveFile methods work!

I wonder is if this is some kind of limitation for DTS in SS7?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:03 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

Are you sure that e:\ is the same drive you think you are referring to?
This can be tricky with DTS, I always use the UNC path to avoid confusion.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:46 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS


In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the last
step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
        Dim fso
        Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
        fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
        Set fso = Nothing
        Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success
End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control over
these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Jul 13 00:39:49 2005
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:39:49 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D010E4D51@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Joe,

I suspect it's a permissions issue.  What account is DTS (agent) running
under?  If its system then that may be the problem.
We did something similar once and found that creating a job to run the
package where you can set the permissions to
run under fixed the issue we were having.

cheers

Michael M 


The E drive is an actual local drive. I know the path works because I am
importing bom.txt in a previous step with success.

To note, it looks like I can't delete a file from an ActiveX task, which
is part of a move. I can use the CopyFile method from the
FileSystemObject but I can't do a move or delete.
If I run the code below from a .vbs file on the server that is running
the DTS package, the DeleteFile and MoveFile methods work!

I wonder is if this is some kind of limitation for DTS in SS7?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:03 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

Are you sure that e:\ is the same drive you think you are referring to?
This can be tricky with DTS, I always use the UNC path to avoid
confusion.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:46 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS


In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the
last step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
        Dim fso
        Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
        fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
        Set fso = Nothing
        Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control
over these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Jul 13 07:33:05 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:33:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS - SOLVED
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3C4@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

It turns out that the file (bom.txt) that is used in a prior step of my DTS
is still opened by the DTS and therefore cannot be deleted.
If I use a second DTS package that only deletes the file, then it works just
fine.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Maddison [mailto:michael at ddisolutions.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:40 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

Joe,

I suspect it's a permissions issue.  What account is DTS (agent) running
under?  If its system then that may be the problem.
We did something similar once and found that creating a job to run the
package where you can set the permissions to
run under fixed the issue we were having.

cheers

Michael M


The E drive is an actual local drive. I know the path works because I am
importing bom.txt in a previous step with success.

To note, it looks like I can't delete a file from an ActiveX task, which
is part of a move. I can use the CopyFile method from the
FileSystemObject but I can't do a move or delete.
If I run the code below from a .vbs file on the server that is running
the DTS package, the DeleteFile and MoveFile methods work!

I wonder is if this is some kind of limitation for DTS in SS7?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:03 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS

Are you sure that e:\ is the same drive you think you are referring to?
This can be tricky with DTS, I always use the UNC path to avoid
confusion.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:46 PM
To: 'dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Active Script Task in DTS


In DTS designer, I added an Active Script Task to my DTS package as the
last step.
This task is supposed to move a text file from one location to another.
I am trying to do this with the code below but I get a permission denied
error.

Function Main()
        Dim fso
        Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
        fso.MoveFile "E:\ftp\bom.txt", "E:\ftp\pub\"
        Set fso = Nothing
        Main = DTSTaskExecResult_Success End Function

I check the folder permissions and the Everyone group has full control
over these folders.
Any ideas?

Thanks!
JR




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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 13:27:01 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:27:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3C4@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <200507181827.j6IIR5R00408@databaseadvisors.com>

I am doing work for a client, whose current SQL 2000 install is on his
notebook. The real-world app uses MDB format, until we get it shaken down
and all the insects (or most) are purged.

My db-server is called Rock. His has another name. It reduces to (local)
since it is on his notebook.

I build an ADP that talks to the db on Rock. I send it to him. He opens
Enterprise Manager and can see only the actual name of his notebook (some
bizarre name assigned by Dell, consisting of "PC" plus a bunch of digits).

I have two problems.

1. I ship him the latest ADP, which connects to Rock (my server). It won't
work on his box unless and until he re-assigns the database server. That's
as expected.

He can open the server in EM and visit all the tables.

When running the ADP, he can interrupt its open, then choose File |
Connection... but then cannot enter local or (local) as the server name. I
give him a backup of my DB, install it using EM... and still Access cannot
see the server (which is the local box).

2. I renamed one of my boxes that hosts SQL 2000 to the same name as his
box. Strangely enough, I now cannot see this box or its SQL instance from my
development box. Prior to the rename, I could see this box just fine. I have
rebooted several times in hopes that the new electrons might cure the
blindness, but no such luck.

I would like either of the following to work:

a) I devise a recipe for him to change the connection details so the ADP can
talk to his box (local).
b) I revise whatever definitions on my newly-renamed box that I need to
revise, so that i) I can see said box from my development box, and ii) the
resulting ADP can be copied to the client's box with no edits.

I have not suffered this problem before, and I am quite unable to deduce why
I am now suffering it.

Advice appreciated much!
Arthur



From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Jul 18 13:55:43 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:55:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000
In-Reply-To: <200507181827.j6IIR5R00408@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200507181154.AA5404126md50000028199@afsweb.com>

 Open up your hosts file and add a value for the SQL server like this...

Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx	SQLSERVERNAME

Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address

In your ADP reference SQLSERVERNAME instead of just (local).

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:27 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000

I am doing work for a client, whose current SQL 2000 install is on his
notebook. The real-world app uses MDB format, until we get it shaken down
and all the insects (or most) are purged.

My db-server is called Rock. His has another name. It reduces to (local)
since it is on his notebook.

I build an ADP that talks to the db on Rock. I send it to him. He opens
Enterprise Manager and can see only the actual name of his notebook (some
bizarre name assigned by Dell, consisting of "PC" plus a bunch of digits).

I have two problems.

1. I ship him the latest ADP, which connects to Rock (my server). It won't
work on his box unless and until he re-assigns the database server. That's
as expected.

He can open the server in EM and visit all the tables.

When running the ADP, he can interrupt its open, then choose File |
Connection... but then cannot enter local or (local) as the server name. I
give him a backup of my DB, install it using EM... and still Access cannot
see the server (which is the local box).

2. I renamed one of my boxes that hosts SQL 2000 to the same name as his
box. Strangely enough, I now cannot see this box or its SQL instance from my
development box. Prior to the rename, I could see this box just fine. I have
rebooted several times in hopes that the new electrons might cure the
blindness, but no such luck.

I would like either of the following to work:

a) I devise a recipe for him to change the connection details so the ADP can
talk to his box (local).
b) I revise whatever definitions on my newly-renamed box that I need to
revise, so that i) I can see said box from my development box, and ii) the
resulting ADP can be copied to the client's box with no edits.

I have not suffered this problem before, and I am quite unable to deduce why
I am now suffering it.

Advice appreciated much!
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 18 17:31:18 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:31:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200507181154.AA5404126md50000028199@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <200507182231.j6IMVJR00708@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! I will give this a try (or rather my client will, and doubtless yell
if your suggestions fails LOL).

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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: July 18, 2005 2:56 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000

 Open up your hosts file and add a value for the SQL server like this...

Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx	SQLSERVERNAME

Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address

In your ADP reference SQLSERVERNAME instead of just (local).

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:27 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000

I am doing work for a client, whose current SQL 2000 install is on his
notebook. The real-world app uses MDB format, until we get it shaken down
and all the insects (or most) are purged.

My db-server is called Rock. His has another name. It reduces to (local)
since it is on his notebook.

I build an ADP that talks to the db on Rock. I send it to him. He opens
Enterprise Manager and can see only the actual name of his notebook (some
bizarre name assigned by Dell, consisting of "PC" plus a bunch of digits).

I have two problems.

1. I ship him the latest ADP, which connects to Rock (my server). It won't
work on his box unless and until he re-assigns the database server. That's
as expected.

He can open the server in EM and visit all the tables.

When running the ADP, he can interrupt its open, then choose File |
Connection... but then cannot enter local or (local) as the server name. I
give him a backup of my DB, install it using EM... and still Access cannot
see the server (which is the local box).

2. I renamed one of my boxes that hosts SQL 2000 to the same name as his
box. Strangely enough, I now cannot see this box or its SQL instance from my
development box. Prior to the rename, I could see this box just fine. I have
rebooted several times in hopes that the new electrons might cure the
blindness, but no such luck.

I would like either of the following to work:

a) I devise a recipe for him to change the connection details so the ADP can
talk to his box (local).
b) I revise whatever definitions on my newly-renamed box that I need to
revise, so that i) I can see said box from my development box, and ii) the
resulting ADP can be copied to the client's box with no edits.

I have not suffered this problem before, and I am quite unable to deduce why
I am now suffering it.

Advice appreciated much!
Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 19 01:31:39 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:31:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000
In-Reply-To: <200507181827.j6IIR5R00408@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0IJV00G443GO8O@l-daemon>

Hi Arthur:

Not knowing the details of the issues I will have to start asking the basic
question like:

1. The server is named and assuming that a remote the computer on which the
remote SQL resides has a unique ip address/domain name?
2. Your domain server can be pinged?
	Ie. Ping MyAlias.MyDomain.com 
3. Your SQL server is using the default port or/and that is specified in the
connection string? (1433)
4. The connection capabilities has been shut down due to some firewall
(software/hardware) on your client's site?
5. Have him manually enter the connection string in the EM. i.e.
MyAlias.MyDomain.com. He will then need the appropriate Username and
password to complete the connection.
6 The connection string could be something like:
"Provider=SQLOLEDB;Data Source=MyAlias.MyDomain.com,1433; Network
Library=DBMSSOCN;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;User
ID=MyUsername;Password=MyPassword;" (Assuming ADO-OLE and your connection
port is 1433)

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:27 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Weird Issue with SQL 2000

I am doing work for a client, whose current SQL 2000 install is on his
notebook. The real-world app uses MDB format, until we get it shaken down
and all the insects (or most) are purged.

My db-server is called Rock. His has another name. It reduces to (local)
since it is on his notebook.

I build an ADP that talks to the db on Rock. I send it to him. He opens
Enterprise Manager and can see only the actual name of his notebook (some
bizarre name assigned by Dell, consisting of "PC" plus a bunch of digits).

I have two problems.

1. I ship him the latest ADP, which connects to Rock (my server). It won't
work on his box unless and until he re-assigns the database server. That's
as expected.

He can open the server in EM and visit all the tables.

When running the ADP, he can interrupt its open, then choose File |
Connection... but then cannot enter local or (local) as the server name. I
give him a backup of my DB, install it using EM... and still Access cannot
see the server (which is the local box).

2. I renamed one of my boxes that hosts SQL 2000 to the same name as his
box. Strangely enough, I now cannot see this box or its SQL instance from my
development box. Prior to the rename, I could see this box just fine. I have
rebooted several times in hopes that the new electrons might cure the
blindness, but no such luck.

I would like either of the following to work:

a) I devise a recipe for him to change the connection details so the ADP can
talk to his box (local).
b) I revise whatever definitions on my newly-renamed box that I need to
revise, so that i) I can see said box from my development box, and ii) the
resulting ADP can be copied to the client's box with no edits.

I have not suffered this problem before, and I am quite unable to deduce why
I am now suffering it.

Advice appreciated much!
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 18:38:01 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:38:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Calling a Webservice...
Message-ID: <b874372a0507191638126123c6@mail.gmail.com>

In the middle of a design discussion for a system that is in development, it 
was brought up if I could just call a webservice from a stored procedure. 
That's my real question can it? Initially I figured that the website for 
this system would take an order in, and submit the order to sql server, an 
inhouse person would review the order and upon it's approval click the 
approve button and allow the order to be submitted to the enterprise 
database. Because the Sales Order number needs to be stored on the sql 
server for refernce, I figured it would be easiest to have the inhouse 
application call the stored procedure, and let the server go and talk to the 
webservice and retreive the "Sales Order". If this cannot be done, then I'll 
need to take all the data at the client side submit it and take the 
resulting Sales Order and submit it to the sql server, giving it plenty of 
room for errors due to network interuptions (rare I know, but sometimes not 
quite)... Has anyone ever had to do this?

Thanks,

-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 11:18:54 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:18:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sp_OACreate, was Re: Calling a Webservice...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0507191638126123c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a0507191638126123c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050720091830cf2580@mail.gmail.com>

So continuing on the previous thread, I'll need to call a dll that will 
ultimatley handshake w/ the webservice, but then comes the question... since 
sp_OAcreate can only be called by system administrators, how can I give an 
average user rights to call this service? 

any ideas?

On 7/19/05, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In the middle of a design discussion for a system that is in development, 
> it was brought up if I could just call a webservice from a stored procedure. 
> That's my real question can it? Initially I figured that the website for 
> this system would take an order in, and submit the order to sql server, an 
> inhouse person would review the order and upon it's approval click the 
> approve button and allow the order to be submitted to the enterprise 
> database. Because the Sales Order number needs to be stored on the sql 
> server for refernce, I figured it would be easiest to have the inhouse 
> application call the stored procedure, and let the server go and talk to the 
> webservice and retreive the "Sales Order". If this cannot be done, then I'll 
> need to take all the data at the client side submit it and take the 
> resulting Sales Order and submit it to the sql server, giving it plenty of 
> room for errors due to network interuptions (rare I know, but sometimes not 
> quite)... Has anyone ever had to do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> -Francisco
> http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... 
> 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 20 12:29:02 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:29:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Calling a Webservice...
References: <b874372a0507191638126123c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42DE89DE.8060505@shaw.ca>

Well I know it can be done, using WSE 2.0 (3.0 is out) and extended 
stored procedures.
I believe doing it this way may cause security headaches. But if you are 
just returning one variable
from an internal site maybe okay.

These guys have a Beta ESP they are trying to sell, it is attempting to 
be generic and requires a dll
WebService Extended Stored Procedure for SQL Server 2000
http://www.rdlcomponents.com/EXSP/default.aspx

I believe there maybe an easier way in SQL Server 2005 with the CLR

Also you could try using SQLXML and SOAP


: Using Extended Stored Procedures or SP_OA Stored Procedures to Load
CLR in SQL Server Is Not Supported
 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322884


This may work for you.

If you want to hit a webservice, you should use the sp_oa* stored 
procedures
to invoke MSXML2.XMLServerHTTP, and communicate with the webservice that
way.

Make sure MSXML parser version 3 or greater is installed on your SQLServer
server (it's installed with IE6 so if you have that, you're good to go).


In sql create the following stored procedure.


create procedure http_get( @sUrl varchar(200), @response varchar(8000) out)
As


Declare
  @obj   int
 , at hr   int
 , at status int
 , at msg varchar(255)


   exec @hr = sp_OACreate 'MSXML2.ServerXMLHttp', @obj OUT
   if @hr < 0 begin Raiserror('sp_OACreate MSXML2.ServerXMLHttp failed', 
16,
1) return end


   exec @hr = sp_OAMethod @obj, 'Open', NULL, 'GET', @sUrl, false
   if @hr <0 begin set @msg = 'sp_OAMethod Open failed' goto eh end


   exec @hr = sp_OAMethod @obj, 'send'
   if @hr <0 begin  set @msg = 'sp_OAMethod Send failed' goto eh end


   exec @hr = sp_OAGetProperty @obj, 'status', @status OUT
   if @hr <0 begin  set @msg = 'sp_OAMethod read status failed' goto eh end


   if @status <> 200  begin set @msg = 'sp_OAMethod http status ' +
str(@status) goto eh end


   exec @hr = sp_OAGetProperty @obj, 'responseText', @response OUT
   if @hr <0 begin  set @msg = 'sp_OAMethod read response failed' goto eh
end


   exec @hr = sp_OADestroy @obj


   return
eh:
  exec @hr = sp_OADestroy @obj
  Raiserror(@msg, 16, 1)
  return


go


then run this


declare @resp varchar(8000)
exec http_get
  
'http://[webserver]/[virtualDirectory]/HelloWorl?d.asmx/Hello?Name=david',
  @resp out


print @resp




Francisco Tapia wrote:

>In the middle of a design discussion for a system that is in development, it 
>was brought up if I could just call a webservice from a stored procedure. 
>That's my real question can it? Initially I figured that the website for 
>this system would take an order in, and submit the order to sql server, an 
>inhouse person would review the order and upon it's approval click the 
>approve button and allow the order to be submitted to the enterprise 
>database. Because the Sales Order number needs to be stored on the sql 
>server for refernce, I figured it would be easiest to have the inhouse 
>application call the stored procedure, and let the server go and talk to the 
>webservice and retreive the "Sales Order". If this cannot be done, then I'll 
>need to take all the data at the client side submit it and take the 
>resulting Sales Order and submit it to the sql server, giving it plenty of 
>room for errors due to network interuptions (rare I know, but sometimes not 
>quite)... Has anyone ever had to do this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 20 12:44:13 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:44:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sp_OACreate, was Re: Calling a Webservice...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a050720091830cf2580@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0IJX00B0IT9NHX@l-daemon>

Hi Francisco:

Here is a link to a tool kit/white paper directed to MS SQL 2000 and
managing webservices:
 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA1CC72B-6390-4260-
B208-2058C0BFD7DE&displaylang=en

There might be something in this group of data that will help you.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:19 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; SQL Server 2k List
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sp_OACreate, was Re: Calling a Webservice...

So continuing on the previous thread, I'll need to call a dll that will 
ultimatley handshake w/ the webservice, but then comes the question... since

sp_OAcreate can only be called by system administrators, how can I give an 
average user rights to call this service? 

any ideas?

On 7/19/05, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In the middle of a design discussion for a system that is in development, 
> it was brought up if I could just call a webservice from a stored
procedure. 
> That's my real question can it? Initially I figured that the website for 
> this system would take an order in, and submit the order to sql server, an

> inhouse person would review the order and upon it's approval click the 
> approve button and allow the order to be submitted to the enterprise 
> database. Because the Sales Order number needs to be stored on the sql 
> server for refernce, I figured it would be easiest to have the inhouse 
> application call the stored procedure, and let the server go and talk to
the 
> webservice and retreive the "Sales Order". If this cannot be done, then
I'll 
> need to take all the data at the client side submit it and take the 
> resulting Sales Order and submit it to the sql server, giving it plenty of

> room for errors due to network interuptions (rare I know, but sometimes
not 
> quite)... Has anyone ever had to do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> -Francisco
> http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... 
> 



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From Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk  Thu Jul 21 07:47:11 2005
From: Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:47:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server
Message-ID: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E4A3F0C@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>

 To all,

Is it possible to link (Not import) a table into an SQL Server Database,
if so would someone mind telling me how ?

Thanks in advance for any help.


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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Thu Jul 21 10:43:20 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:43:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E4A3F0C@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200507210841.AA4147759md50000086591@afsweb.com>

Using Enterprise Manager you can link to a "server" which can be another SQL
server. 

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To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

 To all,

Is it possible to link (Not import) a table into an SQL Server Database, if
so would someone mind telling me how ?

Thanks in advance for any help.


PAUL HARTLAND
Database Designer/Programmer
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From Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk  Thu Jul 21 10:49:38 2005
From: Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:49:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server
Message-ID: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E4A3F69@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>

Oh sorry didn't explain myself fully the table I need to link in is in
Access format 


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Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

Using Enterprise Manager you can link to a "server" which can be another
SQL server. 

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Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

 To all,

Is it possible to link (Not import) a table into an SQL Server Database,
if so would someone mind telling me how ?

Thanks in advance for any help.


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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Thu Jul 21 10:54:15 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:54:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200507210841.AA4147759md50000086591@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <000201c58e0c$73bb65a0$2f01a8c0@dorismanning>

You can also do it within sprocs and views by referencing the database

DatabaseName.dbo.TableName

Doris Manning
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Hargrove Inc.

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Using Enterprise Manager you can link to a "server" which can be another SQL
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Thu Jul 21 13:10:16 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:10:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E4A3F69@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>
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Yes you can do that by specifying the provider. It's not limited to SQL
server dbs for linked servers.

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Hartland
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:50 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

Oh sorry didn't explain myself fully the table I need to link in is in
Access format 


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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: 21 July 2005 16:43
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

Using Enterprise Manager you can link to a "server" which can be another SQL
server. 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Hartland
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:47 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linked Table In SQL Server

 To all,

Is it possible to link (Not import) a table into an SQL Server Database, if
so would someone mind telling me how ?

Thanks in advance for any help.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 21 14:00:51 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:00:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200507211108.AA0845442md50000091172@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <0IJZ00C03RHCM0@l-daemon>

Hi All:

This is a simple question I am asking. 

For years when backing up MS SQL databases I have either relied on an
external automated server based backup system or backed up to a local tape
drive. 

For the first time I was hoping to use the MS SQL backup system to backup to
a special large capacity drive on the network. When attempting to select the
appropriate backup device from the EM backup options there is only shown
'local' shares? How do I make a backup from the MS SQL that will backup to a
remote drive? (..and subsequently restoring.)

Am I missing something obvious?

TIA
Jim 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Jul 21 14:34:57 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:34:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <0IJZ00C03RHCM0@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAEMBFGAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I wrote a VB.NET app that copies it over between servers:

    Public Shared Sub MoveBackUp()
        Dim path As String = "\\server1\c$\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
        Dim path2 As String = "\\server2\c$\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
        If File.Exists(path) Then
            If File.Exists(path2) Then
                ' Ensure that the target file does not exist, since this is
disallowed.
                File.Delete(path2)
            End If
            ' Copy the file.
            File.Copy(path, path2, True)
        Else
            MsgBox(path + " does not exist.", , "Cannot copy file!")
        End If
    End Sub


I created a job on the live server that backs up a db:

BACKUP DATABASE [MACHINES] TO  DISK = N'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak' WITH  INIT ,  NOUNLOAD ,  NAME =
N'MACHINES backup',  NOSKIP ,  STATS = 10,  NOFORMAT

then a few minutes later a service on my computer runs the VB.Net app which
copies the file from the live server to the dev server

A few minutes after that I runa job on the dev server which restores the db:

(I first clear the users:)
DECLARE @dbname as VARCHAR(50)
SET @dbname = 'MACHINES'

DECLARE @strSQL varchar(255)
PRINT 'Killing Users'
PRINT '-----------------'

CREATE table #tmpUsers(
						spid int,
						eid int,
						status varchar(30),
						loginname varchar(50),
						hostname varchar(50),
						blk int,
						dbname varchar(50),
						cmd varchar(30))

INSERT INTO #tmpUsers EXEC SP_WHO

DECLARE LoginCursor CURSOR
READ_ONLY
FOR SELECT spid, dbname FROM #tmpUsers WHERE dbname = @dbname

DECLARE @spid varchar(10)
DECLARE @dbname2 varchar(40)
OPEN LoginCursor

FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO @spid, @dbname2
WHILE (@@fetch_status <> -1)
BEGIN
	IF (@@fetch_status <> -2)
	BEGIN
		PRINT 'Killing ' + @spid
		SET @strSQL = 'KILL ' + @spid
		EXEC (@strSQL)
	END
FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO  @spid, @dbname2
END

CLOSE LoginCursor
DEALLOCATE LoginCursor
DROP table #tmpUsers
GO


then I restore:
RESTORE DATABASE Machines
   FROM DISK =  'c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak'


If you simply wanted to store or back up the db, you could always zip up the
file and copy that somewhere.

HTH
David McAfee


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:01 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am asking.

For years when backing up MS SQL databases I have either relied on an
external automated server based backup system or backed up to a local tape
drive.

For the first time I was hoping to use the MS SQL backup system to backup to
a special large capacity drive on the network. When attempting to select the
appropriate backup device from the EM backup options there is only shown
'local' shares? How do I make a backup from the MS SQL that will backup to a
remote drive? (..and subsequently restoring.)

Am I missing something obvious?

TIA
Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 21 14:59:03 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:59:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKAEMBFGAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <0IJZ00G1IU6CH8@l-daemon>

Hi David:

Quite brilliant! I will definitely try out your code as I am trying to get
up to speed in .NET....

But the question is can you backup to a remote drive using just the built in
MS SQL backup procedures?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:35 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up

I wrote a VB.NET app that copies it over between servers:

    Public Shared Sub MoveBackUp()
        Dim path As String = "\\server1\c$\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
        Dim path2 As String = "\\server2\c$\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
        If File.Exists(path) Then
            If File.Exists(path2) Then
                ' Ensure that the target file does not exist, since this is
disallowed.
                File.Delete(path2)
            End If
            ' Copy the file.
            File.Copy(path, path2, True)
        Else
            MsgBox(path + " does not exist.", , "Cannot copy file!")
        End If
    End Sub


I created a job on the live server that backs up a db:

BACKUP DATABASE [MACHINES] TO  DISK = N'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak' WITH  INIT ,  NOUNLOAD ,  NAME =
N'MACHINES backup',  NOSKIP ,  STATS = 10,  NOFORMAT

then a few minutes later a service on my computer runs the VB.Net app which
copies the file from the live server to the dev server

A few minutes after that I runa job on the dev server which restores the db:

(I first clear the users:)
DECLARE @dbname as VARCHAR(50)
SET @dbname = 'MACHINES'

DECLARE @strSQL varchar(255)
PRINT 'Killing Users'
PRINT '-----------------'

CREATE table #tmpUsers(
						spid int,
						eid int,
						status varchar(30),
						loginname varchar(50),
						hostname varchar(50),
						blk int,
						dbname varchar(50),
						cmd varchar(30))

INSERT INTO #tmpUsers EXEC SP_WHO

DECLARE LoginCursor CURSOR
READ_ONLY
FOR SELECT spid, dbname FROM #tmpUsers WHERE dbname = @dbname

DECLARE @spid varchar(10)
DECLARE @dbname2 varchar(40)
OPEN LoginCursor

FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO @spid, @dbname2
WHILE (@@fetch_status <> -1)
BEGIN
	IF (@@fetch_status <> -2)
	BEGIN
		PRINT 'Killing ' + @spid
		SET @strSQL = 'KILL ' + @spid
		EXEC (@strSQL)
	END
FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO  @spid, @dbname2
END

CLOSE LoginCursor
DEALLOCATE LoginCursor
DROP table #tmpUsers
GO


then I restore:
RESTORE DATABASE Machines
   FROM DISK =  'c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak'


If you simply wanted to store or back up the db, you could always zip up the
file and copy that somewhere.

HTH
David McAfee


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:01 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am asking.

For years when backing up MS SQL databases I have either relied on an
external automated server based backup system or backed up to a local tape
drive.

For the first time I was hoping to use the MS SQL backup system to backup to
a special large capacity drive on the network. When attempting to select the
appropriate backup device from the EM backup options there is only shown
'local' shares? How do I make a backup from the MS SQL that will backup to a
remote drive? (..and subsequently restoring.)

Am I missing something obvious?

TIA
Jim

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Jul 21 15:06:04 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <0IJZ00G1IU6CH8@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <20050721200604.67158.qmail@web80803.mail.yahoo.com>

Not that I know of, only local drives.

--- Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi David:
> 
> Quite brilliant! I will definitely try out your code
> as I am trying to get
> up to speed in .NET....
> 
> But the question is can you backup to a remote drive
> using just the built in
> MS SQL backup procedures?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
> On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:35 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
> 
> I wrote a VB.NET app that copies it over between
> servers:
> 
>     Public Shared Sub MoveBackUp()
>         Dim path As String = "\\server1\c$\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
>         Dim path2 As String = "\\server2\c$\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
>         If File.Exists(path) Then
>             If File.Exists(path2) Then
>                 ' Ensure that the target file does
> not exist, since this is
> disallowed.
>                 File.Delete(path2)
>             End If
>             ' Copy the file.
>             File.Copy(path, path2, True)
>         Else
>             MsgBox(path + " does not exist.", ,
> "Cannot copy file!")
>         End If
>     End Sub
> 
> 
> I created a job on the live server that backs up a
> db:
> 
> BACKUP DATABASE [MACHINES] TO  DISK = N'C:\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak' WITH  INIT , 
> NOUNLOAD ,  NAME =
> N'MACHINES backup',  NOSKIP ,  STATS = 10,  NOFORMAT
> 
> then a few minutes later a service on my computer
> runs the VB.Net app which
> copies the file from the live server to the dev
> server
> 
> A few minutes after that I runa job on the dev
> server which restores the db:
> 
> (I first clear the users:)
> DECLARE @dbname as VARCHAR(50)
> SET @dbname = 'MACHINES'
> 
> DECLARE @strSQL varchar(255)
> PRINT 'Killing Users'
> PRINT '-----------------'
> 
> CREATE table #tmpUsers(
> 						spid int,
> 						eid int,
> 						status varchar(30),
> 						loginname varchar(50),
> 						hostname varchar(50),
> 						blk int,
> 						dbname varchar(50),
> 						cmd varchar(30))
> 
> INSERT INTO #tmpUsers EXEC SP_WHO
> 
> DECLARE LoginCursor CURSOR
> READ_ONLY
> FOR SELECT spid, dbname FROM #tmpUsers WHERE dbname
> = @dbname
> 
> DECLARE @spid varchar(10)
> DECLARE @dbname2 varchar(40)
> OPEN LoginCursor
> 
> FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO @spid, @dbname2
> WHILE (@@fetch_status <> -1)
> BEGIN
> 	IF (@@fetch_status <> -2)
> 	BEGIN
> 		PRINT 'Killing ' + @spid
> 		SET @strSQL = 'KILL ' + @spid
> 		EXEC (@strSQL)
> 	END
> FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO  @spid, @dbname2
> END
> 
> CLOSE LoginCursor
> DEALLOCATE LoginCursor
> DROP table #tmpUsers
> GO
> 
> 
> then I restore:
> RESTORE DATABASE Machines
>    FROM DISK =  'c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak'
> 
> 
> If you simply wanted to store or back up the db, you
> could always zip up the
> file and copy that somewhere.
> 
> HTH
> David McAfee
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:01 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
> 
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> This is a simple question I am asking.
> 
> For years when backing up MS SQL databases I have
> either relied on an
> external automated server based backup system or
> backed up to a local tape
> drive.
> 
> For the first time I was hoping to use the MS SQL
> backup system to backup to
> a special large capacity drive on the network. When
> attempting to select the
> appropriate backup device from the EM backup options
> there is only shown
> 'local' shares? How do I make a backup from the MS
> SQL that will backup to a
> remote drive? (..and subsequently restoring.)
> 
> Am I missing something obvious?
> 
> TIA
> Jim
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 21 17:57:08 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:57:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <20050721200604.67158.qmail@web80803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200507212257.j6LMv8R23230@databaseadvisors.com>

I second that. It's sad but true, I think. Rather than using .NET (not to
put down David's code, I just took another path), I chose the DTS task
method to move the backup to another machine. Whatever works! Efficiency
comes after correctness!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Mcafee
Sent: July 21, 2005 4:06 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up

 

Not that I know of, only local drives.

 

--- Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Jul 21 18:00:56 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <200507212257.j6LMv8R23230@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20050721230056.37993.qmail@web80808.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, I was new here and my boss wanted me to start
picking up .Net so I thought that it would be a neat
little project. DTS would be much more efficient.

--- Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:

> I second that. It's sad but true, I think. Rather
> than using .NET (not to
> put down David's code, I just took another path), I
> chose the DTS task
> method to move the backup to another machine.
> Whatever works! Efficiency
> comes after correctness!
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
> On Behalf Of David
> Mcafee
> Sent: July 21, 2005 4:06 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
> 
>  
> 
> Not that I know of, only local drives.
> 
>  
> 
> --- Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
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> dba-SQLServer mailing list
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>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 22 04:03:06 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:03:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
In-Reply-To: <20050721200604.67158.qmail@web80803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0IK000M5LUH2S7@l-daemon>

Sort of makes you wish you could attach pseudo drives/directories like in
Unix/Linix.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Mcafee
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:06 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up

Not that I know of, only local drives.

--- Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi David:
> 
> Quite brilliant! I will definitely try out your code
> as I am trying to get
> up to speed in .NET....
> 
> But the question is can you backup to a remote drive
> using just the built in
> MS SQL backup procedures?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
> On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:35 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
> 
> I wrote a VB.NET app that copies it over between
> servers:
> 
>     Public Shared Sub MoveBackUp()
>         Dim path As String = "\\server1\c$\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
>         Dim path2 As String = "\\server2\c$\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak"
>         If File.Exists(path) Then
>             If File.Exists(path2) Then
>                 ' Ensure that the target file does
> not exist, since this is
> disallowed.
>                 File.Delete(path2)
>             End If
>             ' Copy the file.
>             File.Copy(path, path2, True)
>         Else
>             MsgBox(path + " does not exist.", ,
> "Cannot copy file!")
>         End If
>     End Sub
> 
> 
> I created a job on the live server that backs up a
> db:
> 
> BACKUP DATABASE [MACHINES] TO  DISK = N'C:\Program
> Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak' WITH  INIT , 
> NOUNLOAD ,  NAME =
> N'MACHINES backup',  NOSKIP ,  STATS = 10,  NOFORMAT
> 
> then a few minutes later a service on my computer
> runs the VB.Net app which
> copies the file from the live server to the dev
> server
> 
> A few minutes after that I runa job on the dev
> server which restores the db:
> 
> (I first clear the users:)
> DECLARE @dbname as VARCHAR(50)
> SET @dbname = 'MACHINES'
> 
> DECLARE @strSQL varchar(255)
> PRINT 'Killing Users'
> PRINT '-----------------'
> 
> CREATE table #tmpUsers(
> 						spid int,
> 						eid int,
> 						status varchar(30),
> 						loginname varchar(50),
> 						hostname varchar(50),
> 						blk int,
> 						dbname varchar(50),
> 						cmd varchar(30))
> 
> INSERT INTO #tmpUsers EXEC SP_WHO
> 
> DECLARE LoginCursor CURSOR
> READ_ONLY
> FOR SELECT spid, dbname FROM #tmpUsers WHERE dbname
> = @dbname
> 
> DECLARE @spid varchar(10)
> DECLARE @dbname2 varchar(40)
> OPEN LoginCursor
> 
> FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO @spid, @dbname2
> WHILE (@@fetch_status <> -1)
> BEGIN
> 	IF (@@fetch_status <> -2)
> 	BEGIN
> 		PRINT 'Killing ' + @spid
> 		SET @strSQL = 'KILL ' + @spid
> 		EXEC (@strSQL)
> 	END
> FETCH NEXT FROM LoginCursor INTO  @spid, @dbname2
> END
> 
> CLOSE LoginCursor
> DEALLOCATE LoginCursor
> DROP table #tmpUsers
> GO
> 
> 
> then I restore:
> RESTORE DATABASE Machines
>    FROM DISK =  'c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
> Server\MSSQL\BACKUP\MachinesLive.Bak'
> 
> 
> If you simply wanted to store or back up the db, you
> could always zip up the
> file and copy that somewhere.
> 
> HTH
> David McAfee
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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>
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> Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:01 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Backing up
> 
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> This is a simple question I am asking.
> 
> For years when backing up MS SQL databases I have
> either relied on an
> external automated server based backup system or
> backed up to a local tape
> drive.
> 
> For the first time I was hoping to use the MS SQL
> backup system to backup to
> a special large capacity drive on the network. When
> attempting to select the
> appropriate backup device from the EM backup options
> there is only shown
> 'local' shares? How do I make a backup from the MS
> SQL that will backup to a
> remote drive? (..and subsequently restoring.)
> 
> Am I missing something obvious?
> 
> TIA
> Jim
> 
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Fri Jul 22 10:00:16 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:00:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Remotely create DTS package
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3EC@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

I noticed that if I create a DTS package directly from the server running
SS7 that if I try to open or exec this package remotely that it generates an
error message of "The parameter is incorrect"

Is this by design? The only thing that I can think of is that the package
opens a text file that is on a local drive on the server and because this
file does not existed on my remote computer it generates this error...I
don't know...

Any ideas?

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Fri Jul 22 10:08:03 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:08:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Trim text data that comes from a text file import
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I have a DTS package that imports data to SS7 from a text file.
The text file is fixed width.
The destination table has varchar fields.

Is there a way to trim the text data that is coming from the text file
during the import step of the DTS package or should I just add a SQL Task
step at the end of my DTS package to do this?

Thanks!
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul 24 11:44:19 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:44:19 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725042932.030f4eb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

Access XP adp, SQL2000.

I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:

ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan

AS
SET NOCOUNT ON

SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN 
(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name

It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to 
SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has 
the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is 
opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems 
to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes 
and the item is left in the box.

It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other 
database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the 
process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 24 12:35:20 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:35:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725042932.030f4eb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <0IK500E0T7IUN7@l-daemon>

Hi David:

How is the receiving recordset configured? If the recordset is set to
dynamic-linking then the processing is going to be slow. Make sure the
receiving recordset is set to static.

HTH
Jim 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 AM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)

Group,

Access XP adp, SQL2000.

I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:

ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan

AS
SET NOCOUNT ON

SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN 
(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name

It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to 
SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has 
the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is 
opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems 
to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes 
and the item is left in the box.

It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other 
database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the 
process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul 24 12:58:54 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:58:54 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
In-Reply-To: <0IK500E0T7IUN7@l-daemon>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725042932.030f4eb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<0IK500E0T7IUN7@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725055804.030dbd90@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for the response.  Where do I set the stored procedure to Static?

David

At 25/07/2005, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>How is the receiving recordset configured? If the recordset is set to
>dynamic-linking then the processing is going to be slow. Make sure the
>receiving recordset is set to static.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 AM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
>
>Group,
>
>Access XP adp, SQL2000.
>
>I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:
>
>ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan
>
>AS
>SET NOCOUNT ON
>
>SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
>FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN
>(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
>ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name
>
>It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to
>SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has
>the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is
>opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems
>to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes
>and the item is left in the box.
>
>It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other
>database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the
>process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 24 15:19:35 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:19:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725055804.030dbd90@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <0IK50010FF4L0N@l-daemon>

Hi David:

My knowledge of ADP applications is non-existent. I have only worked with
standard Access applications that attach to MS SQL/Oracle DBs. There must be
some place in the ADP model that will allow you to set recordset parameters.

Do you have access to the recordset CursorType?

With rsMyRecordset
 .CursorType = adOpenStatic
End With

I believe that it defaults to 'adOpenDynamic' and that is where your problem
would be.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:59 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)

Thanks for the response.  Where do I set the stored procedure to Static?

David

At 25/07/2005, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>How is the receiving recordset configured? If the recordset is set to
>dynamic-linking then the processing is going to be slow. Make sure the
>receiving recordset is set to static.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 AM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
>
>Group,
>
>Access XP adp, SQL2000.
>
>I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:
>
>ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan
>
>AS
>SET NOCOUNT ON
>
>SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
>FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN
>(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
>ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name
>
>It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to
>SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has
>the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is
>opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems
>to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes
>and the item is left in the box.
>
>It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other
>database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the
>process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Sun Jul 24 16:08:57 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:08:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725042932.030f4eb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200507241407.AA072937md50000130118@afsweb.com>

 Try this...

SELECT 
sr.ServiceRateID,
sp.Name,
spd.District,
sr.CurrentPlan as "Current"

FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates sr (nolock)

INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans sp (nolock)
ON sp.ServicePlanID = sr.SevicePlanIDNo

INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict spd (nolock)
ON spd.ServPlanDistrictID = sr.DistrictIDNo
 
ORDER BY sr.CurrentPlan DESC, spd.District, sp.Name


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
Emerson
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 AM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)

Group,

Access XP adp, SQL2000.

I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:

ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan

AS
SET NOCOUNT ON

SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN
(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID =
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
         (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID =
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC,
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name

It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to
SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has
the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is
opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems
to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes
and the item is left in the box.

It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other
database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the
process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul 24 17:05:59 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:05:59 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
In-Reply-To: <0IK50010FF4L0N@l-daemon>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725055804.030dbd90@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<0IK50010FF4L0N@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725091333.02affeb0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Jim,

I don't think that is available.  The stored procedure is entered in the 
rowsource of the combo box.  Even in VBA there doesn't seem to be any 
settings for the rowsource property apart from the name of the stored 
procedure.

After subsequent testing it doesn't seem to be the combo box at all.  The 
delay now seems to be caused when a new record is inserted into the form 
for the first time.  The form is a continuous one.  Once it has been 
opened, and the first new record is inserted then there is no delay in 
inserting extra records.  There is also no delay in changing existing records.

The form is opened from another form and is filtered based on a field on 
the main form.  The stored procedure for the form is:

ALTER PROCEDURE spfrmCustServicePlans
         (
                 @txtMeterID Int
         )
AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

SELECT tblCustServicePlans.PlanID, tblCustServicePlans.MeterIDNo, 
tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo,
         tblCustServicePlans.ConnectionDate, 
tblCustServicePlans.DailyDiscRate, tblCustServicePlans.Term,
         tblCustServicePlans.ExpiryDate, tblCustServicePlans.Inactive, 
tblCustServicePlans.DisconnectionDate,
         tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate1, 
tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate2, tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate3,
         tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate4, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DailyRate, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
         tblCustServicePlans.Gap
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates INNER JOIN tblCustServicePlans ON
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID = 
tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo
WHERE tblCustServicePlans.MeterIDNo = @txtMeterID
ORDER BY tblCustServicePlans.Inactive, tblCustServicePlans.ConnectionDate DESC;

The Unique Table property of the form = tblCustServicePlans

The Resynch Command property is:

SELECT tblCustServicePlans.*, SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.SortOrder, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DailyRate,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo INNER JOIN
         tblCustServicePlans ON SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID 
= tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo
WHERE tblCustServicePlans.PlanID = ?


The spfrmCustServicePlans stored procedure is also in the SQLLtdbe 
database.  When the front end is connected to this database there is no 
(well, comparatively very little) delay in adding the first new record.

Is it something to do with combining tables from different databases?

David

At 25/07/2005, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>My knowledge of ADP applications is non-existent. I have only worked with
>standard Access applications that attach to MS SQL/Oracle DBs. There must be
>some place in the ADP model that will allow you to set recordset parameters.
>
>Do you have access to the recordset CursorType?
>
>With rsMyRecordset
>  .CursorType = adOpenStatic
>End With
>
>I believe that it defaults to 'adOpenDynamic' and that is where your problem
>would be.
>
>HTH
>Jim


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sun Jul 24 16:52:45 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:52:45 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
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Thanks Eric.  That didn't fix the problem as I think the combo box was a 
white herring.  See my other post.

David

At 25/07/2005, you wrote:
>  Try this...
>
>SELECT
>sr.ServiceRateID,
>sp.Name,
>spd.District,
>sr.CurrentPlan as "Current"
>
>FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates sr (nolock)
>
>INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans sp (nolock)
>ON sp.ServicePlanID = sr.SevicePlanIDNo
>
>INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict spd (nolock)
>ON spd.ServPlanDistrictID = sr.DistrictIDNo
>
>ORDER BY sr.CurrentPlan DESC, spd.District, sp.Name
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:44 AM
>To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
>
>Group,
>
>Access XP adp, SQL2000.
>
>I have a stored procedure which is the rowsource for a combo box thus:
>
>ALTER PROCEDURE spcbofrmCustServicePlansServicePlan
>
>AS
>SET NOCOUNT ON
>
>SELECT SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan as "Current"
>FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict INNER JOIN
>(SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo)) ON
>          (SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.ServPlanDistrictID =
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DisctrictIDNo)
>ORDER BY SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.CurrentPlan DESC,
>SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlanDistrict.District,
>          SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.Name
>
>It returns about 3600 records.  This runs ok when the adp is connected to
>SQLLtdbe.  However, when I connect to another SQL database which also has
>the same sproc, it takes over 1/2 a minute from when the drop down list is
>opened to when a selected item appears in the combo box.  The screen seems
>to freeze between selecting the item and when the list automatically closes
>and the item is left in the box.
>
>It seems to be an issue of time taken to get all the data from the other
>database to populate the combobox.  Are there any tips in speeding up the
>process (apart from reducing the number of items in the list)?
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Jul 25 00:37:24 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:37:24 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Getting Data from another Database (Speed)
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725172528.030eecd0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

Further testing has come up with the actual(?) problem.  If the subform 
already has records in it then a new record can be added.  However, if 
there are no records in the pop up form for the record on the main form, 
then an error 0 (reserved error) pops up when the record in the pop up form 
is saved.  The entered data then disappears.  When the form is closed and 
opened again then the record appears and extra records can be added no problem.

The pop up form is opened from another form and is filtered based on a 
field on the main form.  The stored procedure for the pop up form is:

ALTER PROCEDURE spfrmCustServicePlans
         (
                 @txtMeterID Int
         )
AS

SET NOCOUNT ON

SELECT tblCustServicePlans.PlanID, tblCustServicePlans.MeterIDNo, 
tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo,
         tblCustServicePlans.ConnectionDate, 
tblCustServicePlans.DailyDiscRate, tblCustServicePlans.Term,
         tblCustServicePlans.ExpiryDate, tblCustServicePlans.Inactive, 
tblCustServicePlans.DisconnectionDate,
         tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate1, 
tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate2, tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate3,
         tblCustServicePlans.kWhDiscRate4, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DailyRate, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID,
         tblCustServicePlans.Gap
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates INNER JOIN tblCustServicePlans ON
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID = 
tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo
WHERE tblCustServicePlans.MeterIDNo = @txtMeterID
ORDER BY tblCustServicePlans.Inactive, tblCustServicePlans.ConnectionDate DESC;

The Unique Table property of the pop up form = tblCustServicePlans.  This 
was entered when all the tables belonged in the same database.  I have 
moved all of the tables into another database except for the unique 
table.  Now if I look at the dropdown list in the unique table property it 
is empty.  However, deleting this property value means that I am not able 
to add any records at all.

The Resynch Command property is:

SELECT tblCustServicePlans.*, SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.SortOrder, 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.DailyRate,
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID
FROM SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans INNER JOIN SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates ON
         SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServicePlans.ServicePlanID = 
SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServicePlanIDNo INNER JOIN
         tblCustServicePlans ON SQLLtdbe.dbo.tblServiceRates.ServiceRateID 
= tblCustServicePlans.ServiceRateIDNo
WHERE tblCustServicePlans.PlanID = ?


The issue seems to be with resynching the records after the first on has 
been entered.  If I open the form on my development computer having 
connected to the SQL database remotely on the server then I can add records 
but I get the problem mentioned at the beginning of this message.  Trying 
to run the same programme in a runtime environment directly on the server 
doesn't even let me add a first record.

Any thoughts?

David




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 11:23:21 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:23:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Trim text data that comes from a text file import
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3ED@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
References: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A3ED@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a05072509232c63e65a@mail.gmail.com>

Within the DTS package you can make this modification, on the transformation 
object you can specify an ActiveX script for your import, you'll then be 
able to add code such as "dtstarget("field1") = trim(dtssource("field1"))

see books online for detailed info on this :)

On 7/22/05, Joe Rojas <JRojas at tnco-inc.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a DTS package that imports data to SS7 from a text file.
> The text file is fixed width.
> The destination table has varchar fields.
> 
> Is there a way to trim the text data that is coming from the text file
> during the import step of the DTS package or should I just add a SQL Task
> step at the end of my DTS package to do this?
> 
> Thanks!
> JR
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From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Wed Jul 27 10:36:43 2005
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:36:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
Message-ID: <OF43AFE461.D2CC393F-ON8625704B.00555D42-8625704B.0055C204@protective.com>

Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jul 27 12:48:59 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:48:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
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Hi Mark, welcome back.

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> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>   I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to 
> lurker, then 
> moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL 
> Server data 
> warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube 
> creation.  It's a 
> good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place 
> to work. 
> Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional 
> Access dbs I 
> spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
> learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.
> 
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 13:34:19 2005
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:34:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
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Hi Mark:

Welcome back.  I am hoping to make a similiar transition as you did (going 
from OLTP to data warehousing).  Do you have any recommendations for someone 
hoping to make the same transition? 99% of my work experience comes from 
OLTP; not sure how that can help me look for a job in the DW world.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  I am currently going through a few books I 
bought on DW and data mining.  Some of the DW books I read (published in 
late 90s) I am not sure if the DW principles are still relevant today since 
the introduction chapter would say something about how the DW market is 
still maturing (eg. the last paragraph of the introduction chapter in a book 
called "the data warehouse toolkit").

Billy


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>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:36:43 -0500
>
>Hi folks,
>
>   I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then
>moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server data
>warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's a
>good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work.
>Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I
>spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and
>learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.
>
>Mark Whittinghill
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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Wed Jul 27 13:48:41 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:48:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC082FE7@dewey.Symphony.local>

Mark,

A good job at a stable place is worth a lot.  Hope you enjoy it, and
glad to see you back.

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server
data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's
a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

Mark Whittinghill









From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed Jul 27 13:45:16 2005
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:45:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9AC4@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

Background:
SQL 2000, have 2 procedures.  Both run fine on their own.  
Next step is to execute them on a scheduled basis, however one needs to
run and finish before the other starts.

What I want to happen:
First procedure simply deletes all records in a DataMart table.  Second
procedure runs an insert query that pulls data out of many tables in our
ERP and denormalizes it into a single table structure for quick
processing (37 minute query)

Can I combine both procedures into one?  If so how, when I tried this
the second procedure disappeared.  I had the Delete statement followed
by GO, then the Insert statement followed by GO.  It seemed to save it,
but when I opened it back up it was gone (happened more then once).  
Would it be easier to look for changes and only apply the changes and
new records, if so how would I go about doing this?  I didn't think this
would matter in my case as the table is strictly a reference table and
the 37 minute query will take 37 minutes to run no matter what.  

Looking for some guidance as I am teaching myself all I can about MS SQL
SERVER.. I have done some simple procedures that only do Selects, no
cursors.  Did some dynamic sql stuff but that's about as deep as I have
gotten into Procedures so if anyone could help and excuse my ignorance I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Rich 


From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Wed Jul 27 14:00:16 2005
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:00:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F14356E1CBFA561DF2F6F12E5CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OFDF292C67.2BC26E3F-ON8625704B.0066A221-8625704B.006864EE@protective.com>

Billy,

  I see, sir, that you are mistaken.  You have the impression that I know 
what I am doing :-)

I'll tell you how I got this job, but it may not be representative.  I saw 
this advertised almost under the radar, so I wasn't competing against 
monster.com or recruiting agencies.  I sent my resume, but they originally 
refused to give me an interview, as most of my work was in Access, and 
they didn't think I had the SQL Server experience.  I wrote back with a 
two page defense of my abilities and the reasons I did most of my work in 
Access, and they liked my perserverance and interviewed me.  I was able to 
convince them that even though I didn't have data warehousing experience, 
I had the abilities to learn quickly and would be a good addition to the 
company.

I still know very little data warehousing theory, beyond knowing what 
things like a star schema is.  I am still getting used to the tables here. 
 Fortunately, I am being eased into this, and though I am being given 
primary responsiblity for the data warehouse, there are others here with 
experience to help.  On a very basic oversimplified level, you can think 
of OLAP as just denormalizing and archiving your OLTP tables.  Previous to 
this job, I didn't have much experience with large data sets, and I am 
still getting used to the issues in working with those.  It helps that 
much of the framework of the warehouse is already built.  As far as 
building cubes, Cognos takes care of that itself.  One of the other 
programmers here says I should learn the theory, but it's something I can 
do over time and I'm not going to be handicapped in my day to day work 
right now not knowing much OLAP theory.

Even though you don't have OLAP experience, you may also be able to find a 
job in the field.  There's also a lot of theory for Relational dbs, but 
how much of it do you use or even recall?  You may study a lot in the 
beginning, but over time you just find yourself doing it.

Good luck.   Hope this helps.

dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com wrote on 07/27/2005 01:34:19 
PM:

> Hi Mark:
> 
> Welcome back.  I am hoping to make a similiar transition as you did 
(going 
> from OLTP to data warehousing).  Do you have any recommendations for 
someone 
> hoping to make the same transition? 99% of my work experience comes from 

> OLTP; not sure how that can help me look for a job in the DW world.
> 
> I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  I am currently going through a few 
books I 
> bought on DW and data mining.  Some of the DW books I read (published in 

> late 90s) I am not sure if the DW principles are still relevant today 
since 
> the introduction chapter would say something about how the DW market is 
> still maturing (eg. the last paragraph of the introduction chapter in a 
book 
> called "the data warehouse toolkit").
> 
> Billy
> 
> 



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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Wed Jul 27 14:13:57 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:13:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice
In-Reply-To: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9AC4@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>
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Rich,

You can combine both sprocs into one.

Create your first sproc and then your second sproc and then create the
"master sproc" that has the following lines...

Exec sproc1
Exec sproc2
Go

Save that sproc and then run a scheduled job based on that master sproc.
Anything after GO is ignored so don't put the word GO after each step.

Eric 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice

Background:
SQL 2000, have 2 procedures.  Both run fine on their own.  
Next step is to execute them on a scheduled basis, however one needs to run
and finish before the other starts.

What I want to happen:
First procedure simply deletes all records in a DataMart table.  Second
procedure runs an insert query that pulls data out of many tables in our ERP
and denormalizes it into a single table structure for quick processing (37
minute query)

Can I combine both procedures into one?  If so how, when I tried this the
second procedure disappeared.  I had the Delete statement followed by GO,
then the Insert statement followed by GO.  It seemed to save it, but when I
opened it back up it was gone (happened more then once).  
Would it be easier to look for changes and only apply the changes and new
records, if so how would I go about doing this?  I didn't think this would
matter in my case as the table is strictly a reference table and the 37
minute query will take 37 minutes to run no matter what.  

Looking for some guidance as I am teaching myself all I can about MS SQL
SERVER.. I have done some simple procedures that only do Selects, no
cursors.  Did some dynamic sql stuff but that's about as deep as I have
gotten into Procedures so if anyone could help and excuse my ignorance I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Rich
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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Wed Jul 27 14:21:29 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:21:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice
In-Reply-To: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9AC4@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c592e0$648710b0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

I would create a DTS package to take care of the execution.  You set up the
first procedure to run and then you create a workflow that runs the second
on completion of the first.  Once you have your package built, you schedule
it to run at the time desired and you can also have it notify you of
success/failure.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:45 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice

Background:
SQL 2000, have 2 procedures.  Both run fine on their own.  
Next step is to execute them on a scheduled basis, however one needs to
run and finish before the other starts.

What I want to happen:
First procedure simply deletes all records in a DataMart table.  Second
procedure runs an insert query that pulls data out of many tables in our
ERP and denormalizes it into a single table structure for quick
processing (37 minute query)

Can I combine both procedures into one?  If so how, when I tried this
the second procedure disappeared.  I had the Delete statement followed
by GO, then the Insert statement followed by GO.  It seemed to save it,
but when I opened it back up it was gone (happened more then once).  
Would it be easier to look for changes and only apply the changes and
new records, if so how would I go about doing this?  I didn't think this
would matter in my case as the table is strictly a reference table and
the 37 minute query will take 37 minutes to run no matter what.  

Looking for some guidance as I am teaching myself all I can about MS SQL
SERVER.. I have done some simple procedures that only do Selects, no
cursors.  Did some dynamic sql stuff but that's about as deep as I have
gotten into Procedures so if anyone could help and excuse my ignorance I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Rich 
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed Jul 27 15:03:29 2005
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:03:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9AE2@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

Eric & Mike,

Thanks for your response.  

I wanted to stay away from DTS as it doesn't seem logical to use DTS if
you are trying to keep everything in one place.  Every DTS from all
databases on the server go in the same place.  Even with appropriate
naming conventions things can get lost in there so if I can I stay away
from DTS, not that I have been doing this for all that long.  We have a
consultant SQL developer uses them a lot but her processes are very very
complex and doing it in a DTS package makes it very easy to follow.  For
that I can see value, but not something as simple as I am doing.  Then
again maybe I am not seeing the whole picture of SQL Server yet... 

I tried the "Master SPROC" it worked beautifully.  Thank you Eric for
the suggestion.  I know my question probably seemed simple to most if
not all of you but I came to a point where I needed to stop butting my
head against the wall and ask a question.. 

Thanks Again,

Rich 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Barro
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice


Rich,

You can combine both sprocs into one.

Create your first sproc and then your second sproc and then create the
"master sproc" that has the following lines...

Exec sproc1
Exec sproc2
Go

Save that sproc and then run a scheduled job based on that master sproc.
Anything after GO is ignored so don't put the word GO after each step.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa,
Rich
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:45 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice

Background:
SQL 2000, have 2 procedures.  Both run fine on their own.  
Next step is to execute them on a scheduled basis, however one needs to
run and finish before the other starts.

What I want to happen:
First procedure simply deletes all records in a DataMart table.  Second
procedure runs an insert query that pulls data out of many tables in our
ERP and denormalizes it into a single table structure for quick
processing (37 minute query)

Can I combine both procedures into one?  If so how, when I tried this
the second procedure disappeared.  I had the Delete statement followed
by GO, then the Insert statement followed by GO.  It seemed to save it,
but when I opened it back up it was gone (happened more then once).  
Would it be easier to look for changes and only apply the changes and
new records, if so how would I go about doing this?  I didn't think this
would matter in my case as the table is strictly a reference table and
the 37 minute query will take 37 minutes to run no matter what.  

Looking for some guidance as I am teaching myself all I can about MS SQL
SERVER.. I have done some simple procedures that only do Selects, no
cursors.  Did some dynamic sql stuff but that's about as deep as I have
gotten into Procedures so if anyone could help and excuse my ignorance I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Rich
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From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Wed Jul 27 15:56:22 2005
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:56:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations
Message-ID: <OF2681AC57.7298201A-ON8625704B.0072DE26-8625704B.007305C4@protective.com>

We have a bit of a budget to get some new SQL Server 2000 books.  What 
books would you recommend for administrators, and for developers?

Thanks


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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 27 22:58:09 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:58:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC082FE7@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <200507280358.j6S3w4R28808@databaseadvisors.com>

Two questions:

1. What is a good job?
2. What is a stable company?

I am unacquainted with these terms.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Liz Doering
Sent: July 27, 2005 2:49 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Mark,

A good job at a stable place is worth a lot.  Hope you enjoy it, and
glad to see you back.

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server
data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's
a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

Mark Whittinghill







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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 27 23:01:43 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:01:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations
In-Reply-To: <OF2681AC57.7298201A-ON8625704B.0072DE26-8625704B.007305C4@protective.com>
Message-ID: <200507280401.j6S41cR29700@databaseadvisors.com>

I would highly recommend Dejan Sunderic. I left his book at the home of a
colleague today but google him and you will get there instantly. I have read
a LOT of SQL booka and I recommend Dejan over all others.

IMO, of course. He writes assuming that you know at least the basics, then
he shows you the really cool stuff. My kind of writer!

A.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: July 27, 2005 4:56 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations

We have a bit of a budget to get some new SQL Server 2000 books.  What 
books would you recommend for administrators, and for developers?

Thanks




From lyle.hannum at co.wake.nc.us  Thu Jul 28 08:06:33 2005
From: lyle.hannum at co.wake.nc.us (lyle.hannum at co.wake.nc.us)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:06:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations
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Message-ID: <OF097B78F7.70A2A4F4-ON8525704C.0047A930-8525704C.0048031E@co.wake.nc.us>

I recently used
                                                                            
 Professional SQL Server 2000 Programming (Programmer to Programmer)        
 by Robert Vieira as a study guide for the 70-229 exam. I found it to be    
 very comprehensive but written in a down to earth style.                   
                                                                            
                                                                            
                                                                            




                                                                                                                                                     
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We have a bit of a budget to get some new SQL Server 2000 books.  What
books would you recommend for administrators, and for developers?

Thanks


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jul 28 11:03:07 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:03:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <200507280358.j6S3w4R28808@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0IKC0071QHX53J@l-daemon>

Hi Arthur:

A good job: One that is challenging, has variety, a client/employer who
respects your hard work and accomplishments and willing pays a reasonable
amount.

A Stable Company: One that is growing, has a solid client base and a proven
track record that extends for at least ten years.
(Medical/Financial/Oil/Government.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:58 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Two questions:

1. What is a good job?
2. What is a stable company?

I am unacquainted with these terms.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Liz Doering
Sent: July 27, 2005 2:49 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Mark,

A good job at a stable place is worth a lot.  Hope you enjoy it, and
glad to see you back.

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server
data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's
a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

Mark Whittinghill







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From fahooper at trapo.com  Thu Jul 28 14:00:59 2005
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:00:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <0IKC0071QHX53J@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <002601c593a6$b1f47790$2e01a8c0@fredxp>

Would the person who was interested in moving to BI work (e.g. Cognos)
please email me offline at fahooper at trapo.com -- particularly if you are
close to Rhode Island (or want to be).

The Cognos specialty firm I work for is looking for people. I found the
transition of Access --> SQL Server --> Cognos --> Cognos + Oracle to be an
interesting one.

Fred Hooper



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 28 14:29:32 2005
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:29:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations
In-Reply-To: <OF2681AC57.7298201A-ON8625704B.0072DE26-8625704B.007305C4@protective.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F230675AE5CA87F2B012688E5CF0@phx.gbl>

I recommend "SQL Server Query Performance Tuning Distilled" by Sajal Dam.  
It is written for experienced SQL Server developers; this book is definitely 
worth the look.

Billy

>From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Book recommendations
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:56:22 -0500
>
>We have a bit of a budget to get some new SQL Server 2000 books.  What
>books would you recommend for administrators, and for developers?
>
>Thanks
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Jul 28 15:29:53 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:29:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B5F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

1.  The one you can get and keep without going broke or to the asylum.
2.  One that deals with equine housing. ;-}

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:58 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again


Two questions:

1. What is a good job?
2. What is a stable company?

I am unacquainted with these terms.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Liz
Doering
Sent: July 27, 2005 2:49 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Mark,

A good job at a stable place is worth a lot.  Hope you enjoy it, and
glad to see you back.

Liz 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server
data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's
a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

Mark Whittinghill







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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Jul 28 17:32:25 2005
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:32:25 +1200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088B2B@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Does this mean a stable wine has the same genesis?    

Stephen Bond 





> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 8:30 a.m.

> 2.  One that deals with equine housing. ;-}
> 
> Charlotte
> 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Jul 28 18:39:01 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:39:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B60@infoserver01.infostat.local>

All right, I'm jumping the gun on Friday.  But I'm not going to be here
tomorrow ... <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:32 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again


Does this mean a stable wine has the same genesis?    

Stephen Bond 





> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 8:30 a.m.

> 2.  One that deals with equine housing. ;-}
> 
> Charlotte
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 02:08:48 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:08:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088B2B@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001601c5940c$5dee64b0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Yuck

And I always thought being from a stable family background was a good thing.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stephen Bond
> Sent: 28 July 2005 23:32
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
> 
> 
> Does this mean a stable wine has the same genesis?    
> 
> Stephen Bond 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 8:30 a.m.
> 
> > 2.  One that deals with equine housing. ;-}
> > 
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From ridermark at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 08:13:31 2005
From: ridermark at gmail.com (Mark Rider)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:13:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <001601c5940c$5dee64b0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088B2B@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
	<001601c5940c$5dee64b0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <a74f317805072906131bc7e4b7@mail.gmail.com>

If your family home has a stable in the background, that is a good
thing.  If your family home has a stable AS the background, that can
be messy.

And smelly.

> And I always thought being from a stable family background was a good thing.


-- 
Mark Rider
http://commonsensesecurity.info

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Fri Jul 29 10:00:00 2005
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:00:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9BE7@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

Just wanted to post an alternative solution.

When I went to schedule the procedure, I realized I could schedule each
procedure on its own, and then on success of the first, I could start
the second procedure.  Making a 2 step schedule, on success of step 1,
start step 2.  Doing it this way gives a little more control in my mind
anyway of what gets fired and when it starts even though the MASTER
procedure approach worked just fine.

Thanks again,
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike &
Doris Manning
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:21 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice


I would create a DTS package to take care of the execution.  You set up
the first procedure to run and then you create a workflow that runs the
second on completion of the first.  Once you have your package built,
you schedule it to run at the time desired and you can also have it
notify you of success/failure.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa,
Rich
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:45 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Procedures - Need some advice

Background:
SQL 2000, have 2 procedures.  Both run fine on their own.  
Next step is to execute them on a scheduled basis, however one needs to
run and finish before the other starts.

What I want to happen:
First procedure simply deletes all records in a DataMart table.  Second
procedure runs an insert query that pulls data out of many tables in our
ERP and denormalizes it into a single table structure for quick
processing (37 minute query)

Can I combine both procedures into one?  If so how, when I tried this
the second procedure disappeared.  I had the Delete statement followed
by GO, then the Insert statement followed by GO.  It seemed to save it,
but when I opened it back up it was gone (happened more then once).  
Would it be easier to look for changes and only apply the changes and
new records, if so how would I go about doing this?  I didn't think this
would matter in my case as the table is strictly a reference table and
the 37 minute query will take 37 minutes to run no matter what.  

Looking for some guidance as I am teaching myself all I can about MS SQL
SERVER.. I have done some simple procedures that only do Selects, no
cursors.  Did some dynamic sql stuff but that's about as deep as I have
gotten into Procedures so if anyone could help and excuse my ignorance I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Rich 
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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Jul 30 23:04:51 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:04:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <0IKC0071QHX53J@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <200507310404.j6V44mR02750@databaseadvisors.com>

I am sick with envy.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: July 28, 2005 12:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi Arthur:

A good job: One that is challenging, has variety, a client/employer who
respects your hard work and accomplishments and willing pays a reasonable
amount.

A Stable Company: One that is growing, has a solid client base and a proven
track record that extends for at least ten years.
(Medical/Financial/Oil/Government.)

Jim



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Jul 30 23:25:28 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:25:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <OF43AFE461.D2CC393F-ON8625704B.00555D42-8625704B.0055C204@protective.com>
Message-ID: <000801c59587$e521ac40$0300a8c0@ColbyM6805>

Hey, welcome back.  It's good to hear about that rarity.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:37 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again


Hi folks,

  I used to be active on the AccessD list, then dropped to lurker, then 
moved to St. Louis and got a new job.  I'm working with a SQL Server data 
warehouse, and using Cognos tools for reporting and cube creation.  It's a 
good job at a stable insurance company, and it's a good place to work. 
Data warehousing is a lot different than the transactional Access dbs I 
spent most of my last 5 1/2 years building, but I am working hard and 
learning fast.  Hello to all, and I'll be seeing you on the list.

Mark Whittinghill


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 31 12:52:02 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:52:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again
In-Reply-To: <200507310404.j6V44mR02750@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0IKI0012G6YPSF@l-daemon>

Hi Arthur:

Don't be as it is merely a fantasy of mine.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

I am sick with envy.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: July 28, 2005 12:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-SQLServer] Hello Again

Hi Arthur:

A good job: One that is challenging, has variety, a client/employer who
respects your hard work and accomplishments and willing pays a reasonable
amount.

A Stable Company: One that is growing, has a solid client base and a proven
track record that extends for at least ten years.
(Medical/Financial/Oil/Government.)

Jim

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