From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Feb  1 00:57:42 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:57:42 -0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] For Susan / Martin
Message-ID: <011501c626fc$d5a34e72$1b0e758f@ads.qub.ac.uk>

Sql remains the same tbe only things we could add is .net. I am working with Access 12 and SharePoint 3 at the moment with a view to a book on that.


Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins"<harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
Sent: 2/1/06 3:21:02 AM
To: "dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com"<dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] For Susan / Martin

No, I think most of the information -- if going from Access to SQL Server
2000 is probably still the same -- Martin? 

There may be subtle changes between Jet SQL and T-SQL that I don't know
about, but I wouldn't expect much. Martin will know better than me -- I
haven't done much with 2005 -- been busy with SQL Server Express, but
they're still just as similar as they always have been. 

Susan H. 

Just wondering whether you have a new version of your access to sql book for
Sql Server 2005?


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From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Wed Feb  1 10:06:24 2006
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:06:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS Connections and performance
In-Reply-To: <00b501c5e4b6$3a1f5580$1a00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <OF975FDDC3.9205E3E9-ON86257108.0057709D-86257108.00586282@protective.com>

In a DTS I have multiple simultaneous data pumps from the same connection. 
 Is there any performance difference in having them all reference the same 
connection, or in creating a new connection for each pump, with the same 
connection info.  As I set all connection info from an ini in a Dynamic 
Properties Task, managing a few connections is a lot easier than having 
50.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  1 13:59:34 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:59:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
References: <001201c6244b$d97294b0$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <43E11326.8090907@shaw.ca>

Jay Schmelzer shows you how to install and administer the database with 
the Express Manager, design and implement DataSet-bound forms, and 
generate reports with SQL Server Reporting Services.
Database Dev With SQL Server Express, VB 2005  60 minute video
http://www.ftponline.com/channels/net/reports/vslivesf/2006/schmelzer/

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi John:
>
>I am not sure what your problem could be with 2005 Express. Sorry I can not
>help you with that.
>
>For binding a SP recordset to a form check out this link:
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281998
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: January 28, 2006 7:16 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>
>Build a SP in 2005 (express for me).  It is read-only, regardless of whether
>I try and edit the data it inside of SMSE or in a pass-through out in
>Access.
>
>I am trying to bind a form to a SP recordset.
>
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
>Stewart
>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:37 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>
>I am already going that way and have been for over a year.  The problem is
>that I essentially have wasted the last year because the difference between
>VS 2003 and 2005 is so radical.  Now I am relearning.
>
>John,
>
>What is the SPs read-only problem?  Can you explain what you are trying to
>do again?
>
>Robert
>
>At 12:00 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:19:34 -0500
>>From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <002a01c62365$e41183e0$aeb3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>To be honest, once I get over the learning curve I am leaning towards 
>>abandoning the MDB as a BE.
>>
>>========John, if I stay in this market, I am seriously considering the 
>>same thing.
>>
>>Susan H.
>>    
>>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Feb  2 13:21:48 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:21:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
References: <000801c6234b$0315af70$aeb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <43E25BCC.9070702@shaw.ca>

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made 
via the windows installer,
Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and 
Visio without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I feel the Express is just 'cripple-ware' and would recommend MySQL for
>small low cost jobs.
>
>===I had to reformat to get Management Studio to work, but now that I have
>all the pieces working, including VB Express, I have to tell you -- it is
>working great and I love it. The entire package brings a level of
>development to the little guy that I've never seen before. They can do a
>whole lot and never write a line of code -- VB Express does it all for them.
>
>
>I have to say I disagree unless MySQL has changed a lot. I haven't looked at
>it in a long time, so that's possible, but it was terribly difficult to use,
>just a few years ago. 
>
>Management Studio makes Express easy to manage. VB Express makes it easy to
>develop. 
>
>It's a winner even though I'm still mad at MS for putting us all through so
>much installation crap to get here. 
>
>Susan H. 
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb  2 15:00:46 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:00:46 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <43E25BCC.9070702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000f01c6283b$bd043970$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Thanks for that information Marty.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: February 2, 2006 11:22 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made 
via the windows installer,
Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and 
Visio without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I feel the Express is just 'cripple-ware' and would recommend MySQL for
>small low cost jobs.
>
>===I had to reformat to get Management Studio to work, but now that I have
>all the pieces working, including VB Express, I have to tell you -- it is
>working great and I love it. The entire package brings a level of
>development to the little guy that I've never seen before. They can do a
>whole lot and never write a line of code -- VB Express does it all for
them.
>
>
>I have to say I disagree unless MySQL has changed a lot. I haven't looked
at
>it in a long time, so that's possible, but it was terribly difficult to
use,
>just a few years ago. 
>
>Management Studio makes Express easy to manage. VB Express makes it easy to
>develop. 
>
>It's a winner even though I'm still mad at MS for putting us all through so
>much installation crap to get here. 
>
>Susan H. 
>
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>
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb  2 16:12:09 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:12:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <43E25BCC.9070702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c62845$b6d20730$a7b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Too  late for me Marty -- reformatted and started over. I know Karen was
having a similar problem -- is Karen on this list too? 

Susan H. 

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made via
the windows installer, Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp
Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and Visio
without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I feel the Express is just 'cripple-ware' and would recommend MySQL for 
>small low cost jobs.
>
>===I had to reformat to get Management Studio to work, but now that I 
>have all the pieces working, including VB Express, I have to tell you 
>-- it is working great and I love it. The entire package brings a level 
>of development to the little guy that I've never seen before. They can 
>do a whole lot and never write a line of code -- VB Express does it all for
them.
>
>
>I have to say I disagree unless MySQL has changed a lot. I haven't 
>looked at it in a long time, so that's possible, but it was terribly 
>difficult to use, just a few years ago.
>
>Management Studio makes Express easy to manage. VB Express makes it 
>easy to develop.
>
>It's a winner even though I'm still mad at MS for putting us all 
>through so much installation crap to get here.
>
>Susan H. 
>
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>
>  
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb  2 19:05:42 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:05:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <000501c62845$b6d20730$a7b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <001c01c6285d$f4f19360$017ba8c0@xpserver>

A little OT

Is it just my imagination or does a Windows install slowly depreciate in
performance as soon as it starts being used, in a Work-Station capacity?
(Servers seem to be, for the most part, immune to this slow death.)

Just a question.
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: February 2, 2006 2:12 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: 'Karen Rosenstiel'
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

Too  late for me Marty -- reformatted and started over. I know Karen was
having a similar problem -- is Karen on this list too? 

Susan H. 

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made via
the windows installer, Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp
Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and Visio
without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I feel the Express is just 'cripple-ware' and would recommend MySQL for 
>small low cost jobs.
>
>===I had to reformat to get Management Studio to work, but now that I 
>have all the pieces working, including VB Express, I have to tell you 
>-- it is working great and I love it. The entire package brings a level 
>of development to the little guy that I've never seen before. They can 
>do a whole lot and never write a line of code -- VB Express does it all for
them.
>
>
>I have to say I disagree unless MySQL has changed a lot. I haven't 
>looked at it in a long time, so that's possible, but it was terribly 
>difficult to use, just a few years ago.
>
>Management Studio makes Express easy to manage. VB Express makes it 
>easy to develop.
>
>It's a winner even though I'm still mad at MS for putting us all 
>through so much installation crap to get here.
>
>Susan H. 
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sat Feb  4 18:20:04 2006
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:20:04 +1300
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BDB8@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Something really simple - SQL S 2000.  In EM I have done a RMC on a database, then View>TaskPad (never tried it before).  Now I want to put it back to the view it was.  Help!
 
Stephen Bond 

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun Feb  5 23:42:15 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:12:15 +1030
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE37A2@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

View -> Large Icons

Cheers,
A 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Bond
Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:50 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM

Something really simple - SQL S 2000.  In EM I have done a RMC on a
database, then View>TaskPad (never tried it before).  Now I want to put
it back to the view it was.  Help!
 
Stephen Bond 


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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Feb  6 00:26:20 2006
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:26:20 +1300
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BDBB@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Ta.  I thought it must be something simple.

Stephen 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
> Sent: Monday, 6 February 2006 6:42 p.m.
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM
> 
> 
> View -> Large Icons
> 
> Cheers,
> A 
> 
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> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Stephen
> Bond
> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:50 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] TaskPad view in EM
> 
> Something really simple - SQL S 2000.  In EM I have done a RMC on a
> database, then View>TaskPad (never tried it before).  Now I 
> want to put
> it back to the view it was.  Help!
>  
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 10:54:50 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:54:50 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Arthur's article in Redgate Journal
Message-ID: <39cb22f30602060854s62fe4e72v8a36d442b3cf135@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, Arthur!  I saw your Redgate "Canned SQL" article referenced in
SQL Server Central this morning.  Keep up the good work!

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Feb  6 13:10:01 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:10:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A4E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

But good database design is harder to learn than VB.Net, John!

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
Colby
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:15 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


Uhhh yep.  Perhaps to a smaller extent though since VB.Net itself is a
bitch to learn, whereas Access is easy to learn. 


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:26 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

Lovely!  So now that development is so easy, we can expect to see
horrible database design in VBExpress and not just in Access. :o{

Charlotte Foust


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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:56 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


I feel the Express is just 'cripple-ware' and would recommend MySQL for
small low cost jobs.

===I had to reformat to get Management Studio to work, but now that I
have all the pieces working, including VB Express, I have to tell you --
it is working great and I love it. The entire package brings a level of
development to the little guy that I've never seen before. They can do a
whole lot and never write a line of code -- VB Express does it all for
them.


I have to say I disagree unless MySQL has changed a lot. I haven't
looked at it in a long time, so that's possible, but it was terribly
difficult to use, just a few years ago. 

Management Studio makes Express easy to manage. VB Express makes it easy
to develop. 

It's a winner even though I'm still mad at MS for putting us all through
so much installation crap to get here. 

Susan H. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Feb  6 13:14:28 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:14:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Well, color me skeptical, but any time a vendor reassures me that some
capability will continue in the next version, I start having serious
concerns about the longer term viability of the product.  Otherwise,
they would have just said that development capability would continue.
They've also stated that Jet won't be updated; and they're trying to
move everyone to SQL Express.  There's an old saying about the
handwriting on the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:45 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


Charlotte - MS has said that development capability will continue with
Access 12.  Why to you say we'll have to abandon the .mdb anyhow?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:27 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

By Office 12, you're pretty much going to have to abandon the mdb
anyhow, John.  Might as well start early!

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Feb  6 13:16:47 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:16:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A50@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Ooooohh, are you trying to start an argument, Robert?? <G>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
L. Stewart
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:26 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Cc: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29


John,

Now I see.  The trick is that you cannot bind the form to the 
SP.  You are going to have to do it as an unbound form.  Then use 
additional SPs to do the updates and deletes.

Robert

At 10:09 AM 1/28/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:16:23 -0500
>From: "John Colby" <jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <002601c6241d$cd9ce1a0$657aa8c0 at ColbyM6805>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Build a SP in 2005 (express for me).  It is read-only, regardless of 
>whether I try and edit the data it inside of SMSE or in a pass-through 
>out in Access.
>
>I am trying to bind a form to a SP recordset.
>
>
>John W. Colby


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  6 14:20:34 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:20:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c62b5a$c9d22000$dbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Charlotte, the good news is that SQL Server Express and VB Express are great
together. :) I honestly don't think I'd use Access for a small project again
-- unless forced to. 

Susan H. 

Well, color me skeptical, but any time a vendor reassures me that some
capability will continue in the next version, I start having serious
concerns about the longer term viability of the product.  Otherwise, they
would have just said that development capability would continue.
They've also stated that Jet won't be updated; and they're trying to move
everyone to SQL Express.  There's an old saying about the handwriting on the
wall ....




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Feb  7 13:16:12 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:16:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060207131527.0318ac50@pop3.highstream.net>

Charlotte,

When did that stop anyone from "trying" to develop a
Database in Access?  :-)

Robert

At 12:00 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:10:01 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A4E at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>But good database design is harder to learn than VB.Net, John!
>
>Charlotte




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Feb  7 13:17:47 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:17:47 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060207131703.0314d740@pop3.highstream.net>

Only if you disagree.  :-)



At 12:00 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:16:47 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A50 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Ooooohh, are you trying to start an argument, Robert?? <G>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>L. Stewart
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:26 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Cc: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
>
>
>John,
>
>Now I see.  The trick is that you cannot bind the form to the
>SP.  You are going to have to do it as an unbound form.  Then use
>additional SPs to do the updates and deletes.
>
>Robert




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Feb  7 13:19:08 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:19:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139335206.30232.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060207131807.03149878@pop3.highstream.net>

And, SQL Express linked to Access works great also.
I stopped using Access as a database 4 years ago.
It does make a great GUI.


At 12:00 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:20:34 -0500
>From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <003601c62b5a$c9d22000$dbb3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Charlotte, the good news is that SQL Server Express and VB Express are great
>together. :) I honestly don't think I'd use Access for a small project again
>-- unless forced to.
>
>Susan H.
>
>Well, color me skeptical, but any time a vendor reassures me that some
>capability will continue in the next version, I start having serious
>concerns about the longer term viability of the product.  Otherwise, they
>would have just said that development capability would continue.
>They've also stated that Jet won't be updated; and they're trying to move
>everyone to SQL Express.  There's an old saying about the handwriting on the
>wall ....
>
>
>




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  7 14:30:41 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:30:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060207131807.03149878@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <001801c62c25$5dbedf40$a7b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I haven't tried this -- I didn't even know you could. Have I been asleep? 

Susan H. 

And, SQL Express linked to Access works great also.
I stopped using Access as a database 4 years ago.
It does make a great GUI.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Feb  8 10:09:13 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:09:13 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A53@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Oh, I agree, but there are "bounders" in this list who will resist to
the death!! ;o>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:18 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


Only if you disagree.  :-)



At 12:00 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:16:47 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A50 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Ooooohh, are you trying to start an argument, Robert?? <G>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert

>L. Stewart
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:26 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Cc: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
>
>
>John,
>
>Now I see.  The trick is that you cannot bind the form to the SP.  You 
>are going to have to do it as an unbound form.  Then use additional SPs

>to do the updates and deletes.
>
>Robert


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Feb  8 10:10:08 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:10:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A54@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Nothing stops them from trying, believe me!  It just makes them trying.
;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:16 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


Charlotte,

When did that stop anyone from "trying" to develop a
Database in Access?  :-)

Robert

At 12:00 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:10:01 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A4E at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>But good database design is harder to learn than VB.Net, John!
>
>Charlotte


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Feb  8 12:13:53 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:13:53 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139421608.13874.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139421608.13874.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060208121300.032fd1c0@pop3.highstream.net>

I am working on one now prior to upgrading the back-end to a full 
version of SQL Server 2005.  It is working very well.

At 12:00 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:30:41 -0500
>From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001801c62c25$5dbedf40$a7b3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I haven't tried this -- I didn't even know you could. Have I been asleep?
>
>Susan H.
>
>And, SQL Express linked to Access works great also.
>I stopped using Access as a database 4 years ago.
>It does make a great GUI.




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Feb  8 12:15:15 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:15:15 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139421608.13874.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139421608.13874.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060208121430.03301b38@pop3.highstream.net>

But think of all the work real Access programmers have had over the 
years "fixing" what a "want-to-be" did.

At 12:00 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:10:08 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A54 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Nothing stops them from trying, believe me!  It just makes them trying.
>;-}
>
>Charlotte Foust




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 12:27:42 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:27:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Quest Sql Spotlight
Message-ID: <b874372a0602081027k488e1f09i39ec99d0dd402ad3@mail.gmail.com>

We had a demo on the Sql Spotlight product last night and it left me with
some questions.  First, the product runs on my sql server, but if my server
where to bomb out... it couldn't alert me that it had died.  "IF" the system
is running tho and only sql server died it seems that the Spotlight on
Windows would alert me (or so I hope).  Altho it had a very startrek look to
it, I was not as impressed as it's really just a container for some "EM"
screens, and the task manager.  Log history is nicer tho, but just another
shell for what's available.  plus they wouldn't tell me the pricing until
after I test drive the product... I have a development server where we are
actively putting new products on, while we test applications so it might be
useful there but the calibration mode will be of little use there since
demand changes every few weeks.  Additionally there is no interface to
overview all your servers, you have to do it one at a time.  That makes
things tough.

I've asked before if anyone else uses these types of tools, but am hoping of
the spotlight users out there, how many of you are "truly" satisfied w/ this
product?

--
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Feb  8 13:39:45 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:39:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's exactly what I AM thinking of!  I shudder to remember how much of
that I've done in the past!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
L. Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:15 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


But think of all the work real Access programmers have had over the 
years "fixing" what a "want-to-be" did.

At 12:00 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:10:08 -0800
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>
<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A54 at INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Nothing stops them from trying, believe me!  It just makes them trying.

>;-}
>
>Charlotte Foust


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  8 14:06:44 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:06:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060208121300.032fd1c0@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F8E8B03D443A5E91A2DA079A000@phx.gbl>

I downloaded and installed sql express, and am lost as to how to create a 
database.  Is there a link that will help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Feb  8 14:43:30 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:43:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F8E8B03D443A5E91A2DA079A000@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c62cf0$53009c80$dfb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Julie, did you also download Management Studio?

Susan H. 

I downloaded and installed sql express, and am lost as to how to create a
database.  Is there a link that will help me?



From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  8 15:10:55 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:10:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <002f01c62cf0$53009c80$dfb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F37A3D5C7E9184442E0C9DD9A000@phx.gbl>

No I haven't.  Will that allow me to interact with the sql engine?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed Feb  8 15:37:27 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:37:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F37A3D5C7E9184442E0C9DD9A000@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003001c62cf7$dc5e2720$dfb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Management Studio Express is the tool you'll use
to interact with SQL Server Express. 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=82AFBD59-57A4-455E-
A2D6-1D4C98D40F6E&displaylang=en

I have to warn you -- installation can be a real pia. If this is your first
Express download, you might get lucky. :) 

Susan H. 

No I haven't.  Will that allow me to interact with the sql engine?



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Feb  8 21:09:09 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:09:09 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
References: <001801c62c25$5dbedf40$a7b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <43EAB255.8020406@shaw.ca>

Just when you thought it safe to snooze , part of VB 9.0 has been 
released in Beta or Community Technology Preview.
You are probably using VB 8.0 Net with SQL Express
Available here
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/future/
Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2006/01/23/516545.aspx

VB 9.0  brings in  XLINQ (Language Integrated Query)  a type of 
integrated SQL query for XML and SQL Server
supposed to replace T-SQL. Well maybe;)
VB9 covers three main areas: Simplifying querying data by integrating 
query operations into VB and unifying the querying of object, relational 
and XML data; simplifying working with dynamic data, by accessing 
dynamic members easily and imposing structure on dynamic objects; and 
simplifying working with XML, by producing XML documents quickly.


looks like this


Dim R As { Total As Integer, Density As Double } = _
  Select New { .Total = Count(Country), _
               .Density = Avg(Country.Population/Country.Area) } _
  From Country In Countries _
  Where Country.Population < 1000000


Susan Harkins wrote:

>I haven't tried this -- I didn't even know you could. Have I been asleep? 
>
>Susan H. 
>
>And, SQL Express linked to Access works great also.
>I stopped using Access as a database 4 years ago.
>It does make a great GUI.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb  9 01:27:13 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:27:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <43EAB255.8020406@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000a01c62d4a$3fefd570$98b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

 
VB 9.0  brings in  XLINQ (Language Integrated Query)  a type of integrated
SQL query for XML and SQL Server supposed to replace T-SQL. Well maybe;)

============That's it -- someone hand me a pitchfork, I'm headed for
Washington. :( 

Susan H. 



From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  9 07:31:56 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:31:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <003001c62cf7$dc5e2720$dfb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1DFE2D5F60DBB3B51EB749A030@phx.gbl>

Thank you.  I really was confused about how to go about it.  The 2000 
version seemed so much simpler.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Feb  9 11:43:14 2006
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:43:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA0A1A60@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

LOL  I'll go along and hold your coat!!

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:27 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio


 
VB 9.0  brings in  XLINQ (Language Integrated Query)  a type of
integrated SQL query for XML and SQL Server supposed to replace T-SQL.
Well maybe;)

============That's it -- someone hand me a pitchfork, I'm headed for
Washington. :( 

Susan H. 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Feb  9 12:51:39 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:51:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1139508008.22996.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1139508008.22996.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060209125022.033c6388@pop3.highstream.net>

Just wait until you try the new DTS (SSIS).  You have to use Visual 
Studio to design them and there are effectively 4 layers.  They are 
making it work more like Informatica.


At 12:00 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:31:56 -0500
>From: "Julie Reardon-Taylor" <prosoft6 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <BAY114-F1DFE2D5F60DBB3B51EB749A030 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Thank you.  I really was confused about how to go about it.  The 2000
>version seemed so much simpler.
>
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
>Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
>www.pro-soft.net
>NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
>NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From artful at rogers.com  Thu Feb  9 19:49:09 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:49:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060209125022.033c6388@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <011601c62de4$2fdaf530$8e01a8c0@rock>

I just peeked and there are numerous unread messages from this group in my
inbox. I do try to pay attention to this list, but I just got a new gig and
subsequently got tossed into a situation where there are serious deadlines
impending, serious enough that I have been given permission to work Saturday
and Sunday too. The database is what is known as large rather than rich: a
rich database has many hundreds of tables containing relatively few rows; a
large database has many millions of rows in relatively few tables. This one
is medium-rich (200+ tables) and fairly large (some tables contain 50
million rows). To further complicate matters, "the database" is actually
comprised of about a dozen databases, each residing on its own server, so
all joins typically contain a reference to the server as well as the
table(s) of interest. 
I am charged with double-checking the Erwin PDM model against the Data
Modeller's LDM and comments on the last printout. 779 comments and one week
to do it. 
When I got the gig, I received a file containing 279 issues, and I expressed
confidence that I could do it in a week, though overtime might be required.
Several days later, I was informed that I had been sent an old version of
the Issues file; the current version contains 779 issues.
I replied, "I can tell you with 100% confidence that I will not meet the
deadline. 779 issues / 40 hours = 19.475 issues resolved per hour; each
issue resolved in 3.15 minutes, on average. Many issues (i.e. are the
indexes on this table enough, or redundant, or incorrectly designed?) will
require a meeting, which will consume a minimum of 10 minutes, if we are
lucky and there are no politics. Some will require an hour or two to settle.
So my confidence in my inability to meet the one-week deadline is 100%. You
have two chances: a fat one and a slim one."
They said, "Monday?"
I said, "Maybe. No guarantees, but I will work overtime and do my best to
make it happen. Think Tuesday or maybe Wednesday and maybe even next Friday.
There are consequences to failing to meet the deadline: not for me
personally, but for the whole team. So I am trying my best. I have to read
the critique, then modify the Erwin physical model to suit, then inform the
DD (Database Design) guys that column X has become NOT NULL, etc., or that
index Y has been removed due to redundancy, or that it's time for another
meeting with the DM (Data Modellers) and this time let's not come to blows.
All this, and I have to commute and dress business-casual, too. If it wasn't
for the filthy lucre, I'd rather be doing something else. That isn't true! I
love this kind of thing! Thrown off the pier and expected to swim
immediately. It's a thrill.
I am on a team of very smart people, each of whom has an expertise in a SQL
area that pales my own knowledge of that area. The data architect guy is
brilliant and has written a book about SQL that proves it (Google Dejan
Sunderic for a list of his books). The DTS guy is brilliant. The sprocs guy
is brilliant. The manager guy is brilliant. The Data Modeller guy is
brilliant, and to make it more interesting, he and the Data Architect have
frequent arguments.
I'm neck deep in intelligence. As poker players say, "Look around the table
and if you don't see the fool, you're it." I look around the table and
conclude that I am the dumb guy. This week alone I learned about 10 really
cool things, some about SQL Server itself, some about Erwin, some about pure
database design.
I just hope that I am able to demonstrate enough intelligence to keep up
with these boys. They KNOW their stuff. And I hope to come close enough to
the arbitrarily imposed deadline to retain the gig and not be fired for
incompetence. The opposite of the poker player's perspective is, "What a
pleasure it is to be surrounded by brilliant players."
---------------------
So that, in short, is why I haven't been paying my usual attention to this
list. I have a TON of work to do in a very short time, and it requires a lot
more concentration than I have been accustomed to shelling out of late:)
Most important is to complete the task at hand. By that time, I may have 100
emails to visit on this thread alone.
All I wanted to say, I guess, is that I still consider myself a member of
this list, and I will catch up next week, maybe even as soon as Monday.
Arthur



From KP at sdsonline.net  Thu Feb  9 20:17:28 2006
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:17:28 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server 2005 book
Message-ID: <000e01c62de8$2509ce20$6501a8c0@user>

Is Mike Gunderloy still on this list? 

I am getting a bit frustrated finding any decent resources to help me learn SQL Server 2005. I know Mike has a new book coming out "Mastering Microsoft SQL Server 2005" but I can't get it here (Australia)  until July. I would love to find an early copy - it's just too hard to use the SQL 2000 books when so much terminology has changed and it's all new.

Meanwhile I am using the new Books Online feature but I am one of those people who like to have a book. 

Or does anyone have any other books they would recommend?

Kath

From darrend at nimble.com.au  Thu Feb  9 20:35:05 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:35:05 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here
In-Reply-To: <011601c62de4$2fdaf530$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <20060210023507.LIEL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Arthur

Exciting and Scary at the same time

Do well Arthur - Do well

Darren
------------------------------
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, 10 February 2006 12:49 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here

I just peeked and there are numerous unread messages from this group in my
inbox. I do try to pay attention to this list, but I just got a new gig and
subsequently got tossed into a situation where there are serious deadlines
impending, serious enough that I have been given permission to work Saturday and
Sunday too. The database is what is known as large rather than rich: a rich
database has many hundreds of tables containing relatively few rows; a large
database has many millions of rows in relatively few tables. This one is
medium-rich (200+ tables) and fairly large (some tables contain 50 million
rows). To further complicate matters, "the database" is actually comprised of
about a dozen databases, each residing on its own server, so all joins typically
contain a reference to the server as well as the
table(s) of interest. 
I am charged with double-checking the Erwin PDM model against the Data
Modeller's LDM and comments on the last printout. 779 comments and one week to
do it. 
When I got the gig, I received a file containing 279 issues, and I expressed
confidence that I could do it in a week, though overtime might be required.
Several days later, I was informed that I had been sent an old version of the
Issues file; the current version contains 779 issues.
I replied, "I can tell you with 100% confidence that I will not meet the
deadline. 779 issues / 40 hours = 19.475 issues resolved per hour; each issue
resolved in 3.15 minutes, on average. Many issues (i.e. are the indexes on this
table enough, or redundant, or incorrectly designed?) will require a meeting,
which will consume a minimum of 10 minutes, if we are lucky and there are no
politics. Some will require an hour or two to settle.
So my confidence in my inability to meet the one-week deadline is 100%. You have
two chances: a fat one and a slim one."
They said, "Monday?"
I said, "Maybe. No guarantees, but I will work overtime and do my best to make
it happen. Think Tuesday or maybe Wednesday and maybe even next Friday.
There are consequences to failing to meet the deadline: not for me personally,
but for the whole team. So I am trying my best. I have to read the critique,
then modify the Erwin physical model to suit, then inform the DD (Database
Design) guys that column X has become NOT NULL, etc., or that index Y has been
removed due to redundancy, or that it's time for another meeting with the DM
(Data Modellers) and this time let's not come to blows.
All this, and I have to commute and dress business-casual, too. If it wasn't for
the filthy lucre, I'd rather be doing something else. That isn't true! I love
this kind of thing! Thrown off the pier and expected to swim immediately. It's a
thrill.
I am on a team of very smart people, each of whom has an expertise in a SQL area
that pales my own knowledge of that area. The data architect guy is brilliant
and has written a book about SQL that proves it (Google Dejan Sunderic for a
list of his books). The DTS guy is brilliant. The sprocs guy is brilliant. The
manager guy is brilliant. The Data Modeller guy is brilliant, and to make it
more interesting, he and the Data Architect have frequent arguments.
I'm neck deep in intelligence. As poker players say, "Look around the table and
if you don't see the fool, you're it." I look around the table and conclude that
I am the dumb guy. This week alone I learned about 10 really cool things, some
about SQL Server itself, some about Erwin, some about pure database design.
I just hope that I am able to demonstrate enough intelligence to keep up with
these boys. They KNOW their stuff. And I hope to come close enough to the
arbitrarily imposed deadline to retain the gig and not be fired for
incompetence. The opposite of the poker player's perspective is, "What a
pleasure it is to be surrounded by brilliant players."
---------------------
So that, in short, is why I haven't been paying my usual attention to this list.
I have a TON of work to do in a very short time, and it requires a lot more
concentration than I have been accustomed to shelling out of late:) Most
important is to complete the task at hand. By that time, I may have 100 emails
to visit on this thread alone.
All I wanted to say, I guess, is that I still consider myself a member of this
list, and I will catch up next week, maybe even as soon as Monday.
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Feb  9 20:51:41 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:51:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XLINQ: A Solution for No Problem, or a Doonboggle?
In-Reply-To: <43EAB255.8020406@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <011b01c62dec$eba022b0$8e01a8c0@rock>

AFAIK this is a layer to pacify the VB.NET developers who cannot handle
T-SQL. IT is NOT NOT NOT intended to replace T-SQL! It is for those oddball
situations where you must declare a recordset and then do some bizarre and
kinky things within it. Do NOT NOT NOT attempt to replace your current
working sprocs/udfs/views with .NET code. That was not MS's intention and
they say so. The addition of .NET language(s) to SQL is intended for bizarre
situations, NOT standard situations.
The overhead-hit is significant, as you could demonstrate to yourself with
any number of easily written tests. I have attended a number of seminars on
this topic, and the standard opinion is "Don't go there unless you need to."
Maybe if all your tables contain fewer than 50K rows, you could go there
without noticing a performance penalty. But realize that you are building
scalability OUT of your database in going there.
The XLINQ language, IMO, is for people VB.NET developers who can't handle
T-SQL. Admittedly, it brings some new tricks to the party. And that is
exactly how you should view it, IMO. Above all DO NOT think about replacing
T-SQL that works with XLINQ! Regard XLINQ as a tool to do only those things
that are particularly a hassle in T-SQL.
Do not take this as a statement that T-SQL is the finest language ever
invented. It most certainly is not. But it will do what you need to do very
often, and the difference in performance between solution A written in T-SQL
and solution B written in XLINQ is dramatic.
At this point, the best you can say about XLINQ is that it works. You pay a
serious price for using it, however.
I view it as a marketing ploy that attempts to reduce relating to SQL Server
to a non-problem. It may appeal to university students and other newbies to
SQL, but it will not work in the trenches of serious development. The
performance hit is excruciating, unless perhaps you have MAJOR hardware. You
can even compare the performance on such a tiny db as AdventureWorks - which
we must all agree is a tiny database. Even there the difference is obvious:
you don't need tools to measure seconds -- just open your eyes and watch.
Arthur



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Feb  9 20:52:37 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:52:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here
In-Reply-To: <20060210023507.LIEL16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <011c01c62ded$0dc485c0$8e01a8c0@rock>

Thanks for the encouragement, Darren. I am trying!
A.
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: February 9, 2006 9:35 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here

Hi Arthur
Exciting and Scary at the same time
Do well Arthur - Do well
Darren



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 10 02:55:58 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:55:58 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here
In-Reply-To: <011601c62de4$2fdaf530$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <001e01c62e1f$cfb1aeb0$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Arthur, I have every confidence in you.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: February 9, 2006 5:49 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] My Relative Absence Here

I just peeked and there are numerous unread messages from this group in my
inbox. I do try to pay attention to this list, but I just got a new gig and
subsequently got tossed into a situation where there are serious deadlines
impending, serious enough that I have been given permission to work Saturday
and Sunday too. The database is what is known as large rather than rich: a
rich database has many hundreds of tables containing relatively few rows; a
large database has many millions of rows in relatively few tables. This one
is medium-rich (200+ tables) and fairly large (some tables contain 50
million rows). To further complicate matters, "the database" is actually
comprised of about a dozen databases, each residing on its own server, so
all joins typically contain a reference to the server as well as the
table(s) of interest. 
I am charged with double-checking the Erwin PDM model against the Data
Modeller's LDM and comments on the last printout. 779 comments and one week
to do it. 
When I got the gig, I received a file containing 279 issues, and I expressed
confidence that I could do it in a week, though overtime might be required.
Several days later, I was informed that I had been sent an old version of
the Issues file; the current version contains 779 issues.
I replied, "I can tell you with 100% confidence that I will not meet the
deadline. 779 issues / 40 hours = 19.475 issues resolved per hour; each
issue resolved in 3.15 minutes, on average. Many issues (i.e. are the
indexes on this table enough, or redundant, or incorrectly designed?) will
require a meeting, which will consume a minimum of 10 minutes, if we are
lucky and there are no politics. Some will require an hour or two to settle.
So my confidence in my inability to meet the one-week deadline is 100%. You
have two chances: a fat one and a slim one."
They said, "Monday?"
I said, "Maybe. No guarantees, but I will work overtime and do my best to
make it happen. Think Tuesday or maybe Wednesday and maybe even next Friday.
There are consequences to failing to meet the deadline: not for me
personally, but for the whole team. So I am trying my best. I have to read
the critique, then modify the Erwin physical model to suit, then inform the
DD (Database Design) guys that column X has become NOT NULL, etc., or that
index Y has been removed due to redundancy, or that it's time for another
meeting with the DM (Data Modellers) and this time let's not come to blows.
All this, and I have to commute and dress business-casual, too. If it wasn't
for the filthy lucre, I'd rather be doing something else. That isn't true! I
love this kind of thing! Thrown off the pier and expected to swim
immediately. It's a thrill.
I am on a team of very smart people, each of whom has an expertise in a SQL
area that pales my own knowledge of that area. The data architect guy is
brilliant and has written a book about SQL that proves it (Google Dejan
Sunderic for a list of his books). The DTS guy is brilliant. The sprocs guy
is brilliant. The manager guy is brilliant. The Data Modeller guy is
brilliant, and to make it more interesting, he and the Data Architect have
frequent arguments.
I'm neck deep in intelligence. As poker players say, "Look around the table
and if you don't see the fool, you're it." I look around the table and
conclude that I am the dumb guy. This week alone I learned about 10 really
cool things, some about SQL Server itself, some about Erwin, some about pure
database design.
I just hope that I am able to demonstrate enough intelligence to keep up
with these boys. They KNOW their stuff. And I hope to come close enough to
the arbitrarily imposed deadline to retain the gig and not be fired for
incompetence. The opposite of the poker player's perspective is, "What a
pleasure it is to be surrounded by brilliant players."
---------------------
So that, in short, is why I haven't been paying my usual attention to this
list. I have a TON of work to do in a very short time, and it requires a lot
more concentration than I have been accustomed to shelling out of late:)
Most important is to complete the task at hand. By that time, I may have 100
emails to visit on this thread alone.
All I wanted to say, I guess, is that I still consider myself a member of
this list, and I will catch up next week, maybe even as soon as Monday.
Arthur

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 10 07:34:10 2006
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:34:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XLINQ: A Solution for No Problem,
	or a Doonboggle?
In-Reply-To: <011b01c62dec$eba022b0$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F28164B0261F55D0546F48E9A020@phx.gbl>

What an honor to have such a master on this list!  Serously, Arthur, you 
rock!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business




From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Fri Feb 10 09:24:43 2006
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:24:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file
Message-ID: <OFB4B7A329.73B2A981-ON86257111.00549368-86257111.005492AE@protective.com>

Is there any way to decrease the size allocated for a log file?  I know 
how to shrink it, but I can't decrease the allocated size.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb 10 10:17:38 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:17:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] XLINQ: A Solution for No Problem,
	or a Doonboggle?
In-Reply-To: <011b01c62dec$eba022b0$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000f01c62e5d$8e6ca980$ccb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thanks Arthur. :)

Susan H. 

AFAIK this is a layer to pacify the VB.NET developers who cannot handle
T-SQL. IT is NOT NOT NOT intended to replace T-SQL! It is for those oddball
situations where you must declare a recordset and then do some bizarre and
kinky things within it. Do NOT 



From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Feb 10 13:15:12 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:15:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file
In-Reply-To: <OFB4B7A329.73B2A981-ON86257111.00549368-86257111.005492AE@protective.com>
Message-ID: <0IUH00E6XK5AXMT8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

Mark,

You can do that using EM. Go into the properties and look for the log file
and specify a log file size. You will need to schedule a job that will
shrink the log file periodically because once you set a limit it will
complain when it reaches that limit and all your SQL operations will come to
a standstill.

Basically the drill is...

1. Set your tlog filesize to something you are comfortable with.
2. Create a backup job that backs up the tlog.
3. Create a shrink job that shrinks the tlog right after it is backed up.

This will ensure that your tlog is optimized.

Eric 

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Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:25 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file

Is there any way to decrease the size allocated for a log file?  I know how
to shrink it, but I can't decrease the allocated size.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com


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From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Fri Feb 10 13:40:07 2006
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:40:07 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file
In-Reply-To: <0IUH00E6XK5AXMT8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OF0B9F5C84.5BA8DBA8-ON86257111.006BB662-86257111.006BF4DF@protective.com>

Thanks, but is there a way to decrease the allocated size of an existing 
log?

For example, say my log has 200MB allocated.  Perhaps I can shrink it to 
20MB, but it still has 200 allocated.  I am so far unable to decrease the 
size allocated.

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com



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Mark,

You can do that using EM. Go into the properties and look for the log file
and specify a log file size. You will need to schedule a job that will
shrink the log file periodically because once you set a limit it will
complain when it reaches that limit and all your SQL operations will come 
to
a standstill.

Basically the drill is...

1. Set your tlog filesize to something you are comfortable with.
2. Create a backup job that backs up the tlog.
3. Create a shrink job that shrinks the tlog right after it is backed up.

This will ensure that your tlog is optimized.

Eric 










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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Feb 10 15:59:50 2006
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:59:50 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file
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Yes you can do that as well. Go into EM and then right click the database
and then select Shrink Database. When the dialog comes up click Files and
select the transaction log file and keep repeating the shrink operation
until it no longer shrinks. If this is the first time you will probably need
to backup the tlog file. Create a backup device and back up the tlog file
first and then go the shrink operation. 

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Thanks, but is there a way to decrease the allocated size of an existing
log?

For example, say my log has 200MB allocated.  Perhaps I can shrink it to
20MB, but it still has 200 allocated.  I am so far unable to decrease the
size allocated.

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com



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Mark,

You can do that using EM. Go into the properties and look for the log file
and specify a log file size. You will need to schedule a job that will
shrink the log file periodically because once you set a limit it will
complain when it reaches that limit and all your SQL operations will come 
to
a standstill.

Basically the drill is...

1. Set your tlog filesize to something you are comfortable with.
2. Create a backup job that backs up the tlog.
3. Create a shrink job that shrinks the tlog right after it is backed up.

This will ensure that your tlog is optimized.

Eric 










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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 04:00:35 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:00:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS Connections and performance
In-Reply-To: <OF975FDDC3.9205E3E9-ON86257108.0057709D-86257108.00586282@protective.com>
References: <00b501c5e4b6$3a1f5580$1a00a8c0@dabsight>
	<OF975FDDC3.9205E3E9-ON86257108.0057709D-86257108.00586282@protective.com>
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With DTS IME if i have more than a single connection I can get data pumped
over xNumber Of Connections, that is, if I have several tables I may create
2 or 3 connections... this makes it so I have data traveling accross x3
instead of each at a time... Depending on what you are doing in the
datapump, you can increase the performance ie, throughput on how much data
gets processed.

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Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com> wrote:
>
> In a DTS I have multiple simultaneous data pumps from the same connection.
> Is there any performance difference in having them all reference the same
> connection, or in creating a new connection for each pump, with the same
> connection info.  As I set all connection info from an ini in a Dynamic
> Properties Task, managing a few connections is a lot easier than having
> 50.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Whittinghill
>
>


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Feb 11 08:54:45 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:54:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
Message-ID: <002201c62f1b$19969800$b5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Someone was trying to get a copy of Mike's latest SQL Server book --
"Mastering SQL Server 2005" -- by Sybex (Wiley). It is out as far as I know.
Have you checked Amazon? If this is a foreign shipment problem, I doubt Mike
can do anything to help you out with that. If you can't get the book through
Amazon, you might convince someone in the US to purchase one on your behalf
and then ship it to you -- will cost you a small fortune, but might be worth
it to you. 
 
Mike and I have one on Express -- "Mastering SQL Server 2005 Express" -- It
will be out in March. 
 
I hope this is the right list. 
 
Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Feb 11 09:47:03 2006
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:47:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
In-Reply-To: <23220251.1139669813100.JavaMail.root@sniper16>
Message-ID: <000001c62f22$67f34eb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

"Mastering SQL Server 2005" is on Amazon.  It was published 1/31/06, and
ships in 1 to 3 weeks.  They must not have copies on the shelf yet.  Price
is good at $37.79.

The Express book is not listed on Amazon, but is listed on Sybex.  

In fact, if you search for 'SQL Server 2005' on the Sybex site, these books
are #1 and #2 on the list!

Dan 
 

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Harkins
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:55 AM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book

Someone was trying to get a copy of Mike's latest SQL Server book --
"Mastering SQL Server 2005" -- by Sybex (Wiley). It is out as far as I know.
Have you checked Amazon? If this is a foreign shipment problem, I doubt Mike
can do anything to help you out with that. If you can't get the book through
Amazon, you might convince someone in the US to purchase one on your behalf
and then ship it to you -- will cost you a small fortune, but might be worth
it to you. 
 
Mike and I have one on Express -- "Mastering SQL Server 2005 Express" -- It
will be out in March. 
 
I hope this is the right list. 
 
Susan H. 

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From KP at sdsonline.net  Sat Feb 11 20:59:23 2006
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:59:23 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
References: <002201c62f1b$19969800$b5b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <001d01c62f80$549220e0$6501a8c0@user>

Hi Susan - it was me looking for it.

After checking all the major technical bookshops here with no luck - I will order from Amazon. I wanted it sooner but I guess I will have to wait the 2 weeks. sigh

BTW - I have read a lot of your other book "From Access to SQL Server" and it was interesting to see how much I learnt on basic SQL syntax. There are always so many gaps when you teach yourself and I learnt quite a lot. 

I remember someone on the list once saying (was it Drew?) that it's only when you stop copying and pasting and start writing your statements from scratch that you get the hang of it.

Anyway - well done on the book. 

rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: SQLList 
  Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:54 AM
  Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book


  Someone was trying to get a copy of Mike's latest SQL Server book --
  "Mastering SQL Server 2005" -- by Sybex (Wiley). It is out as far as I know.
  Have you checked Amazon? If this is a foreign shipment problem, I doubt Mike
  can do anything to help you out with that. If you can't get the book through
  Amazon, you might convince someone in the US to purchase one on your behalf
  and then ship it to you -- will cost you a small fortune, but might be worth
  it to you. 
   
  Mike and I have one on Express -- "Mastering SQL Server 2005 Express" -- It
  will be out in March. 
   
  I hope this is the right list. 
   
  Susan H. 

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 12 08:49:38 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:49:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
In-Reply-To: <001d01c62f80$549220e0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <003301c62fe3$9482f590$d0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thanks Kath -- glad to be of help. 

I'm not sure I agree with Drew though -- I still copy -- that's why I write
my own books! ;) However, knowing how they works is great when it doesn't
work. :) I think that's the biggest problem -- most folks are smart enough
to find the pieces they need, but when they don't work, they don't know how
to fix the error. I'd say that 80% of the time, it's just syntax. 

Susan H. 

Hi Susan - it was me looking for it.

After checking all the major technical bookshops here with no luck - I will
order from Amazon. I wanted it sooner but I guess I will have to wait the 2
weeks. sigh

BTW - I have read a lot of your other book "From Access to SQL Server" and
it was interesting to see how much I learnt on basic SQL syntax. There are
always so many gaps when you teach yourself and I learnt quite a lot. 

I remember someone on the list once saying (was it Drew?) that it's only
when you stop copying and pasting and start writing your statements from
scratch that you get the hang of it.

Anyway - well done on the book. 

rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Harkins
  To: SQLList
  Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:54 AM
  Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book


  Someone was trying to get a copy of Mike's latest SQL Server book --
  "Mastering SQL Server 2005" -- by Sybex (Wiley). It is out as far as I
know.
  Have you checked Amazon? If this is a foreign shipment problem, I doubt
Mike
  can do anything to help you out with that. If you can't get the book
through
  Amazon, you might convince someone in the US to purchase one on your
behalf
  and then ship it to you -- will cost you a small fortune, but might be
worth
  it to you. 
   
  Mike and I have one on Express -- "Mastering SQL Server 2005 Express" --
It
  will be out in March. 
   
  I hope this is the right list. 
   
  Susan H. 

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From Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com  Mon Feb 13 09:24:00 2006
From: Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com (Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:24:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file
In-Reply-To: <0IUH00GFPRROB9B8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <OFDCC65FAA.AD6133A6-ON86257114.00549576-86257114.00548215@protective.com>

OK, thanks, we'll try that.

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
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Yes you can do that as well. Go into EM and then right click the database
and then select Shrink Database. When the dialog comes up click Files and
select the transaction log file and keep repeating the shrink operation
until it no longer shrinks. If this is the first time you will probably 
need
to backup the tlog file. Create a backup device and back up the tlog file
first and then go the shrink operation. 

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Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:40 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Shrinking log file

Thanks, but is there a way to decrease the allocated size of an existing
log?

For example, say my log has 200MB allocated.  Perhaps I can shrink it to
20MB, but it still has 200 allocated.  I am so far unable to decrease the
size allocated.

Mark Whittinghill
Sr. Programmer Analyst
Protective - Asset Protection Division
636.536.5720
Mark.Whittinghill at protective.com



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Mark,

You can do that using EM. Go into the properties and look for the log file
and specify a log file size. You will need to schedule a job that will
shrink the log file periodically because once you set a limit it will
complain when it reaches that limit and all your SQL operations will come 
to
a standstill.

Basically the drill is...

1. Set your tlog filesize to something you are comfortable with.
2. Create a backup job that backs up the tlog.
3. Create a shrink job that shrinks the tlog right after it is backed up.

This will ensure that your tlog is optimized.

Eric 










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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Feb 13 14:39:32 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:39:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1139767205.4346.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.7.1139767205.4346.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1139863172.43f0ee84ee8a6@webmail.highstream.net>

According to Bookpool.com, it is not due to be published until 3/2006.  That is
why Amazon has a 1 - 3 week delay for shipping.

Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:49:38 -0500
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <003301c62fe3$9482f590$d0b3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Thanks Kath -- glad to be of help.
>
> I'm not sure I agree with Drew though -- I still copy -- that's why I write
> my own books! ;) However, knowing how they works is great when it doesn't
> work. :) I think that's the biggest problem -- most folks are smart enough
> to find the pieces they need, but when they don't work, they don't know how
> to fix the error. I'd say that 80% of the time, it's just syntax.
>
> Susan H.
>
> Hi Susan - it was me looking for it.
>
> After checking all the major technical bookshops here with no luck - I will
> order from Amazon. I wanted it sooner but I guess I will have to wait the 2
> weeks. sigh
>
> BTW - I have read a lot of your other book "From Access to SQL Server" and
> it was interesting to see how much I learnt on basic SQL syntax. There are
> always so many gaps when you teach yourself and I learnt quite a lot.
>
> I remember someone on the list once saying (was it Drew?) that it's only
> when you stop copying and pasting and start writing your statements from
> scratch that you get the hang of it.
>
> Anyway - well done on the book.
>
> rgds
> Kath





From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Feb 13 16:31:54 2006
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:31:54 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
References: <mailman.7.1139767205.4346.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
	<1139863172.43f0ee84ee8a6@webmail.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c630ed$4bc03d30$6501a8c0@user>

Robert - I think that may be just that there are 2 difft. editions - the one on full SQL server has been published in the States already (just not here on shelves in Australia yet).  But there is another one on the SQL Express edition which is for later publication (the one Susan is writing with Mike Gunderloy)

Right Susan?

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert L. Stewart 
  To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book


  According to Bookpool.com, it is not due to be published until 3/2006.  That is
  why Amazon has a 1 - 3 week delay for shipping.

  Robert L. Stewart
  The Dyson Group International
  Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
  Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


  > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:49:38 -0500
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
  > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
  > To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Message-ID: <003301c62fe3$9482f590$d0b3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
  >
  > Thanks Kath -- glad to be of help.
  >
  > I'm not sure I agree with Drew though -- I still copy -- that's why I write
  > my own books! ;) However, knowing how they works is great when it doesn't
  > work. :) I think that's the biggest problem -- most folks are smart enough
  > to find the pieces they need, but when they don't work, they don't know how
  > to fix the error. I'd say that 80% of the time, it's just syntax.
  >
  > Susan H.
  >
  > Hi Susan - it was me looking for it.
  >
  > After checking all the major technical bookshops here with no luck - I will
  > order from Amazon. I wanted it sooner but I guess I will have to wait the 2
  > weeks. sigh
  >
  > BTW - I have read a lot of your other book "From Access to SQL Server" and
  > it was interesting to see how much I learnt on basic SQL syntax. There are
  > always so many gaps when you teach yourself and I learnt quite a lot.
  >
  > I remember someone on the list once saying (was it Drew?) that it's only
  > when you stop copying and pasting and start writing your statements from
  > scratch that you get the hang of it.
  >
  > Anyway - well done on the book.
  >
  > rgds
  > Kath



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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 13 17:12:26 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:12:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
In-Reply-To: <002a01c630ed$4bc03d30$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <000a01c630f2$f74b8ba0$a6b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Right Kath -- the SQL Server 2005 book is already out. The Express book will
be out in March (if I live through the author reviews!) :)  

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:32 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book

Robert - I think that may be just that there are 2 difft. editions - the one
on full SQL server has been published in the States already (just not here
on shelves in Australia yet).  But there is another one on the SQL Express
edition which is for later publication (the one Susan is writing with Mike
Gunderloy)

Right Susan?

Kath


----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert L. Stewart
  To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book


  According to Bookpool.com, it is not due to be published until 3/2006.
That is
  why Amazon has a 1 - 3 week delay for shipping.

  Robert L. Stewart
  The Dyson Group International
  Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
  Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


  > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:49:38 -0500
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
  > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] About Mike's SQL Server book
  > To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Message-ID: <003301c62fe3$9482f590$d0b3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
  >
  > Thanks Kath -- glad to be of help.
  >
  > I'm not sure I agree with Drew though -- I still copy -- that's why I
write
  > my own books! ;) However, knowing how they works is great when it
doesn't
  > work. :) I think that's the biggest problem -- most folks are smart
enough
  > to find the pieces they need, but when they don't work, they don't know
how
  > to fix the error. I'd say that 80% of the time, it's just syntax.
  >
  > Susan H.
  >
  > Hi Susan - it was me looking for it.
  >
  > After checking all the major technical bookshops here with no luck - I
will
  > order from Amazon. I wanted it sooner but I guess I will have to wait
the 2
  > weeks. sigh
  >
  > BTW - I have read a lot of your other book "From Access to SQL Server"
and
  > it was interesting to see how much I learnt on basic SQL syntax. There
are
  > always so many gaps when you teach yourself and I learnt quite a lot.
  >
  > I remember someone on the list once saying (was it Drew?) that it's only
  > when you stop copying and pasting and start writing your statements from
  > scratch that you get the hang of it.
  >
  > Anyway - well done on the book.
  >
  > rgds
  > Kath



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 16 17:04:24 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:04:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
In-Reply-To: <0IUH00GFPRROB9B8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <00be01c6334d$56e67500$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Hi All:

I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a major
problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.

The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to re-create
the process again the results seem to disappear(?)

There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
obvious.

Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
coffee.)

Jim  



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 16 22:14:56 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:14:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
References: <00be01c6334d$56e67500$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <43F54DC0.2050903@shaw.ca>

 You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
 SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a major
>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>
>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to re-create
>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>
>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>obvious.
>
>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>coffee.)
>
>Jim  
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 16 23:13:13 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:13:13 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
In-Reply-To: <43F54DC0.2050903@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000a01c63380$da43ba60$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
type little powerful SQL 2000.)

Jim

Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS

 You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
 SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi All:
>
>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
major
>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>
>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
re-create
>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>
>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>obvious.
>
>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>coffee.)
>
>Jim  
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Feb 16 23:22:41 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:22:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
References: <000a01c63380$da43ba60$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <43F55DA1.4020406@shaw.ca>

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made
via the windows installer,
Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and
Visio without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

or have a look through MSDN SQL Express Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
>Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
>opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
>functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
>type little powerful SQL 2000.)
>
>Jim
>
>Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
>from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
>Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
>carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>
> You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
>Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
> SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
>>    
>>
>major
>  
>
>>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>>
>>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
>>    
>>
>re-create
>  
>
>>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>>
>>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>>obvious.
>>
>>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>>coffee.)
>>
>>Jim  
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 18 10:28:52 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:28:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
In-Reply-To: <43F55DA1.4020406@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c634a8$67c45cf0$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Hi Marty:

Well that utility sure did the trick. There were no references for the
Express SQL, in the 'Add/Remove' file section, any directories and no
obvious references in the registry but the utility pulled up at least 6
items/references. 

Thanks for the heads up.

The installation went a lot further this time (an hour and a half later,
approximately) but it finally hung up saying:

<error>
Failed to install and configure assemblies C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.dll in the COM+ catalog.
Error: -2146233087
Error message: Unknown error 0x80131501
Error description: Failed to generate type library 'C:\Program
Files\Microsoft SQL Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.tlb'
for 'Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask, Version=9.0.242.0, Culture=neutral,
PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91'.
</error>

It is fortunate that I have the rest of the weekend to get installation
completed so now it is back to the web for answers. I am nearly at the point
of formatting this server and starting again... a task of last resort; set
aside for Sunday evening.

Again, thank you for your help as the process would not have got this far.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: February 16, 2006 9:23 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS

If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made
via the windows installer,
Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and
Visio without a necessary CD.
Here is a brief article on it and download URL
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064

or have a look through MSDN SQL Express Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
>Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
>opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
>functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
>type little powerful SQL 2000.)
>
>Jim
>
>Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
>from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
>Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
>carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>
> You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
>Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
> SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi All:
>>
>>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
>>    
>>
>major
>  
>
>>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>>
>>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
>>    
>>
>re-create
>  
>
>>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>>
>>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>>obvious.
>>
>>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>>coffee.)
>>
>>Jim  
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 18 12:55:34 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:55:34 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
References: <000801c634a8$67c45cf0$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <43F76DA6.2060205@shaw.ca>

Are you doing an upgrade or a side by side install of SQL 2000 and 2005? 
side by side is supposed to require named instances or installs
what ever that is?

Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=6107C27A-662C-4319-AFE7-B52D1568C30A&displaylang=en
Do you have most recent version Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 installed

The most stable version of SQL 2005 might be the  Developer Edition 
rather than Standard or Enterprise.
At least it is the only version that will install on WinXP Home aside 
from SQL Express.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Well that utility sure did the trick. There were no references for the
>Express SQL, in the 'Add/Remove' file section, any directories and no
>obvious references in the registry but the utility pulled up at least 6
>items/references. 
>
>Thanks for the heads up.
>
>The installation went a lot further this time (an hour and a half later,
>approximately) but it finally hung up saying:
>
><error>
>Failed to install and configure assemblies C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.dll in the COM+ catalog.
>Error: -2146233087
>Error message: Unknown error 0x80131501
>Error description: Failed to generate type library 'C:\Program
>Files\Microsoft SQL Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.tlb'
>for 'Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask, Version=9.0.242.0, Culture=neutral,
>PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91'.
></error>
>
>It is fortunate that I have the rest of the weekend to get installation
>completed so now it is back to the web for answers. I am nearly at the point
>of formatting this server and starting again... a task of last resort; set
>aside for Sunday evening.
>
>Again, thank you for your help as the process would not have got this far.
>
>Jim  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: February 16, 2006 9:23 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>
>If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made
>via the windows installer,
>Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
>Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and
>Visio without a necessary CD.
>Here is a brief article on it and download URL
>http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064
>
>or have a look through MSDN SQL Express Blog
>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
>>Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
>>opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
>>functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
>>type little powerful SQL 2000.)
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
>>    
>>
>>from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
>  
>
>>Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
>>carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>MartyConnelly
>>Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>>
>>You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
>>Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
>>SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>>>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>major
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>>>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>>>
>>>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>re-create
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>>>
>>>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>>>obvious.
>>>
>>>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>>>coffee.)
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 18 18:06:16 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:06:16 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
In-Reply-To: <43F76DA6.2060205@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000901c634e8$4df47040$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Hi Marty:

Thanks for the info on named instances but I had already reviewed that and
felt it would be better to only have one version on line.

There is supposed to be the latest version of .Net Framework 2.0 on the SQL
Server 2005 installation DVD. The pre-install went through the process of
installing all foundation code and .Net framework installed without
incident.

I am trying to install this MS SQL Standard edition onto a Windows standard
server 2003 SP1, so there should be no incompatible issues. 

I have also attempted to re-register a couple of related .Net plug-in
assemblies and a library on the chance that their setting may not have taken
properly:

regasm extensibility.dll
regasm vslangproj.dll
regtlb vslangproj.tlb  

...the above was successful but the overall prognosis was not.

Here is something that other individuals have attempted when a very similar
error had occurred:

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&SiteID=1&PostID=1
36467

...and...

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=134853&SiteID=1

...that does not work in this situation.

Even though stated otherwise there appears to be no solid resolution other
than a gloomy OS re-install.

These types of problems have been following along where ever an Express
version has preceded an upgrade. I have learned my lesson and will only
recommend the use of Express versions within their own virtual PC or request
an OS install package solution. It is sad but I believe MS has rushed these
products to market and have basically out-smarted themselves.

Thanks so much for your help. I can not help but feel that I have missed
some obvious fix so if you have any revelations or insights I will be happy
to entertain them.

Jim   


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: February 18, 2006 10:56 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS

Are you doing an upgrade or a side by side install of SQL 2000 and 2005? 
side by side is supposed to require named instances or installs
what ever that is?

Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=6107C27A-662C-4319-
AFE7-B52D1568C30A&displaylang=en
Do you have most recent version Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 installed

The most stable version of SQL 2005 might be the  Developer Edition 
rather than Standard or Enterprise.
At least it is the only version that will install on WinXP Home aside 
from SQL Express.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Well that utility sure did the trick. There were no references for the
>Express SQL, in the 'Add/Remove' file section, any directories and no
>obvious references in the registry but the utility pulled up at least 6
>items/references. 
>
>Thanks for the heads up.
>
>The installation went a lot further this time (an hour and a half later,
>approximately) but it finally hung up saying:
>
><error>
>Failed to install and configure assemblies C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.dll in the COM+ catalog.
>Error: -2146233087
>Error message: Unknown error 0x80131501
>Error description: Failed to generate type library 'C:\Program
>Files\Microsoft SQL Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.tlb'
>for 'Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask, Version=9.0.242.0, Culture=neutral,
>PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91'.
></error>
>
>It is fortunate that I have the rest of the weekend to get installation
>completed so now it is back to the web for answers. I am nearly at the
point
>of formatting this server and starting again... a task of last resort; set
>aside for Sunday evening.
>
>Again, thank you for your help as the process would not have got this far.
>
>Jim  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: February 16, 2006 9:23 PM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>
>If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made
>via the windows installer,
>Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
>Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and
>Visio without a necessary CD.
>Here is a brief article on it and download URL
>http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064
>
>or have a look through MSDN SQL Express Blog
>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
>>Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
>>opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
>>functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
>>type little powerful SQL 2000.)
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
>>    
>>
>>from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
>  
>
>>Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
>>carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>MartyConnelly
>>Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>>
>>You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
>>Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
>>SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi All:
>>>
>>>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>>>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>major
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>>>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>>>
>>>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>re-create
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>>>
>>>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>>>obvious.
>>>
>>>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>>>coffee.)
>>>
>>>Jim  
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 18 19:38:56 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:38:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
References: <000901c634e8$4df47040$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <43F7CC30.6090700@shaw.ca>

Installing SQL Server 2005  from BOL
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143516.aspx
You couuld try initially installing only the basic components like the 
database engine.
Then add the other bits.
You could try to install the Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Enterprise 
Evaluation Edition 180 day  rather than the standard one
But it is a 1 gig download,  gag...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=6931fa7f-c094-49a2-a050-2d07993566ec&displaylang=en

Sounds like you may have to get the win server 2003 SP1 CD.

These problems generally crop up with a previous Beta installation  and 
occured  between  Beta 1 and 2 of SQL Express.
reguiring a rigamorole uninstall.



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Thanks for the info on named instances but I had already reviewed that and
>felt it would be better to only have one version on line.
>
>There is supposed to be the latest version of .Net Framework 2.0 on the SQL
>Server 2005 installation DVD. The pre-install went through the process of
>installing all foundation code and .Net framework installed without
>incident.
>
>I am trying to install this MS SQL Standard edition onto a Windows standard
>server 2003 SP1, so there should be no incompatible issues. 
>
>I have also attempted to re-register a couple of related .Net plug-in
>assemblies and a library on the chance that their setting may not have taken
>properly:
>
>regasm extensibility.dll
>regasm vslangproj.dll
>regtlb vslangproj.tlb  
>
>...the above was successful but the overall prognosis was not.
>
>Here is something that other individuals have attempted when a very similar
>error had occurred:
>
>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&SiteID=1&PostID=1
>36467
>
>...and...
>
>http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=134853&SiteID=1
>
>...that does not work in this situation.
>
>Even though stated otherwise there appears to be no solid resolution other
>than a gloomy OS re-install.
>
>These types of problems have been following along where ever an Express
>version has preceded an upgrade. I have learned my lesson and will only
>recommend the use of Express versions within their own virtual PC or request
>an OS install package solution. It is sad but I believe MS has rushed these
>products to market and have basically out-smarted themselves.
>
>Thanks so much for your help. I can not help but feel that I have missed
>some obvious fix so if you have any revelations or insights I will be happy
>to entertain them.
>
>Jim   
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: February 18, 2006 10:56 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>
>Are you doing an upgrade or a side by side install of SQL 2000 and 2005? 
>side by side is supposed to require named instances or installs
>what ever that is?
>
>Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Upgrade Advisor
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=6107C27A-662C-4319-
>AFE7-B52D1568C30A&displaylang=en
>Do you have most recent version Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 installed
>
>The most stable version of SQL 2005 might be the  Developer Edition 
>rather than Standard or Enterprise.
>At least it is the only version that will install on WinXP Home aside 
>from SQL Express.
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Well that utility sure did the trick. There were no references for the
>>Express SQL, in the 'Add/Remove' file section, any directories and no
>>obvious references in the registry but the utility pulled up at least 6
>>items/references. 
>>
>>Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>>The installation went a lot further this time (an hour and a half later,
>>approximately) but it finally hung up saying:
>>
>><error>
>>Failed to install and configure assemblies C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
>>Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.dll in the COM+ catalog.
>>Error: -2146233087
>>Error message: Unknown error 0x80131501
>>Error description: Failed to generate type library 'C:\Program
>>Files\Microsoft SQL Server\90\DTS\Tasks\Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask.tlb'
>>for 'Microsoft.SqlServer.MSMQTask, Version=9.0.242.0, Culture=neutral,
>>PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91'.
>></error>
>>
>>It is fortunate that I have the rest of the weekend to get installation
>>completed so now it is back to the web for answers. I am nearly at the
>>    
>>
>point
>  
>
>>of formatting this server and starting again... a task of last resort; set
>>aside for Sunday evening.
>>
>>Again, thank you for your help as the process would not have got this far.
>>
>>Jim  
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>MartyConnelly
>>Sent: February 16, 2006 9:23 PM
>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>>
>>If you are having trouble removing bits and pieces of an install made
>>via the windows installer,
>>Locate and run the MS Windows Installer CleanUp Utility msicuu2.exe.
>>Some users have said they removed Symantec after faulty install and
>>Visio without a necessary CD.
>>Here is a brief article on it and download URL
>>http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6030075.html?tag=nl.e064
>>
>>or have a look through MSDN SQL Express Blog
>>http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/04/172956.aspx
>>
>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Marty:
>>>
>>>Thanks for the heads up on that. I had found the new SSIS Integration
>>>Services but had not yet discovered the section legacy folder. (In my
>>>opinion MS SQL has gone a little over the top with features and
>>>functionality... it is starting to look like Enterprise Oracle and not the
>>>type little powerful SQL 2000.)
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Now I have a heck of a problem removing some old versions of SQL Express
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>from a client's server. (Wished the beta stuff had been installed in a
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Virtual PC.) I have just re-run VS-uninstall-betas after everything was
>>>carefully removed through the Control Panel. (twice??)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>MartyConnelly
>>>Sent: February 16, 2006 8:15 PM
>>>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] DTS
>>>
>>>You can run DTS (SS2000) from SS2005.
>>>Under 2005 Mgt Studio is a folder called Legacy under Management folder.
>>>SSIS Integration Services is the new name for the DTS
>>>
>>>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi All:
>>>>
>>>>I have just upgraded a client's SQL 2000 DB to SQL 2005 and a number of
>>>>objects have been changed, modified or 'wandered'. One issue that is a
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>major
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>problem is the original (2000) had a number of DTS executable files that
>>>>were used to import some raw data through various function and SP calls.
>>>>
>>>>The DTS files have disappeared or when it is manually attempted to
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>re-create
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the process again the results seem to disappear(?)
>>>>
>>>>There must be so obvious reason for this but at this late hour it is not
>>>>obvious.
>>>>
>>>>Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated... (I am going for a
>>>>coffee.)
>>>>
>>>>Jim  
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 19 15:51:17 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:51:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working
Message-ID: <000001c6359e$a5431660$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Would someone please run this in Express and see if you get the same error I
do? The Tech Editor says it works for him, but I'm getting an error that
there's no DepartmentID column in the Employee table. I checked, and it
isn't there. I don't know whether the TE's goofy or I'm just doing something
wrong. 
 
Thanks!
Susan H. 
 
DECLARE @departmentid int, @name nvarchar(50)

DECLARE @nemployees int

DECLARE department_cursor CURSOR

 LOCAL SCROLL STATIC

 FOR

  SELECT DepartmentID, Name 

  FROM HumanResources.Department

OPEN department_cursor

PRINT 'Results for ' + CAST(@@CURSOR_ROWS AS varchar) +

  ' departments'

Print '-------------'

FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

 INTO @departmentid, @name

SELECT @nemployees = (

 SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee 

  WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

PRINT @name + ' has ' +

 CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

WHILE @@FETCH_STATUS = 0

 BEGIN

  FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

   INTO @departmentid, @name

  SELECT @nemployees = (

   SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee

   WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

  PRINT @name + ' has ' + 

   CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

 END

CLOSE department_cursor

DEALLOCATE department_cursor




From word_diva at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 19 17:10:06 2006
From: word_diva at hotmail.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working
In-Reply-To: <000001c6359e$a5431660$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV26EC4E08E7CC72019CAF284FE0@phx.gbl>

I ran it in SQL2005 (not express) and got the same error:
Msg 207, Level 16, State 1, Line 32
Invalid column name 'DepartmentID'.
Msg 207, Level 16, State 1, Line 50
Invalid column name 'DepartmentID'

Nancy 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:51 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working

Would someone please run this in Express and see if you get the same error I
do? The Tech Editor says it works for him, but I'm getting an error that
there's no DepartmentID column in the Employee table. I checked, and it
isn't there. I don't know whether the TE's goofy or I'm just doing something
wrong. 
 
Thanks!
Susan H. 
 
DECLARE @departmentid int, @name nvarchar(50)

DECLARE @nemployees int

DECLARE department_cursor CURSOR

 LOCAL SCROLL STATIC

 FOR

  SELECT DepartmentID, Name 

  FROM HumanResources.Department

OPEN department_cursor

PRINT 'Results for ' + CAST(@@CURSOR_ROWS AS varchar) +

  ' departments'

Print '-------------'

FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

 INTO @departmentid, @name

SELECT @nemployees = (

 SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee 

  WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

PRINT @name + ' has ' +

 CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

WHILE @@FETCH_STATUS = 0

 BEGIN

  FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

   INTO @departmentid, @name

  SELECT @nemployees = (

   SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee

   WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

  PRINT @name + ' has ' + 

   CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

 END

CLOSE department_cursor

DEALLOCATE department_cursor


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Feb 19 19:42:32 2006
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:42:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working
In-Reply-To: <000001c6359e$a5431660$c0b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <000e01c635be$eafbb2a0$017ba8c0@xpserver>

Susan, just off the top; are the setting set to case sensitive?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: February 19, 2006 1:51 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working

Would someone please run this in Express and see if you get the same error I
do? The Tech Editor says it works for him, but I'm getting an error that
there's no DepartmentID column in the Employee table. I checked, and it
isn't there. I don't know whether the TE's goofy or I'm just doing something
wrong. 
 
Thanks!
Susan H. 
 
DECLARE @departmentid int, @name nvarchar(50)

DECLARE @nemployees int

DECLARE department_cursor CURSOR

 LOCAL SCROLL STATIC

 FOR

  SELECT DepartmentID, Name 

  FROM HumanResources.Department

OPEN department_cursor

PRINT 'Results for ' + CAST(@@CURSOR_ROWS AS varchar) +

  ' departments'

Print '-------------'

FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

 INTO @departmentid, @name

SELECT @nemployees = (

 SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee 

  WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

PRINT @name + ' has ' +

 CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

WHILE @@FETCH_STATUS = 0

 BEGIN

  FETCH NEXT FROM department_cursor

   INTO @departmentid, @name

  SELECT @nemployees = (

   SELECT COUNT(*) FROM HumanResources.Employee

   WHERE DepartmentID = @departmentid)

  PRINT @name + ' has ' + 

   CAST(@nemployees AS varchar) + ' employees'

 END

CLOSE department_cursor

DEALLOCATE department_cursor


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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Feb 19 21:55:54 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:55:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <000901c62381$74bca030$e1b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <001101c635d1$8d1af930$8e01a8c0@rock>

Susan, 
I agree if you have only one machine -- never risk your bread-and-butter --
but my approach is to have several boxes, only one of which is critical. The
others I can toast at will with no loss of code or data. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: January 27, 2006 3:37 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

The only real advice there is Jim -- don't install betas. :) 

As for MS, SS Express, and VB Express, the kinks finally seem to be worked
out. 

Susan H. 



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Feb 19 22:08:56 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:08:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
In-Reply-To: <002601c6241d$cd9ce1a0$657aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001801c635d3$5eac7590$8e01a8c0@rock>

In my experience, this is best achieved with either a view or a table UDF
that returns a recordset. This works very nicely in a master-detail form as
well, since Access automatically sets up the params to pass to the child.
Master DataSource: CustomersByCompanyName_qs (query select)
Child DataSource: OrdersByCustomerID_qs (query select)
Each of these is a view:
SELECT * FROM Customers ORDER BY CompanyName
SELECT * FROM Orders ORDER BY CustomerID, OrderID DESC
(The last part of the second view I like because it places the most recent
orders -- the ones of most interest -- at the top of the list.)
I played around for some time with sprocs and stubbed my toes on the same
difficulties you are having. Then I discovered that views do the work
beautifully, and that Access automatically sets up the params for you when
dealing with a master-detail form.
I further refined this strategy to deal with situations such as an Orders
form in continuous mode that by default shows the orders of the past 30
days, but also has buttons for "Last 60", "Last 90", "Last 120" and "All".
My first crack at this used separate views, and all my OnClick code did was
swap a new view name into the DataSource attribute. Later I refined this
approach, making the DataSource a UDF that accepted a parameter, and
changing the parameter (NumberOfDays) to suit.
I have had decidedly limited success with calling sprocs from Access forms,
and expecting insert-update-delete capabilities. With views and UDFs, this
is a cinch. So I tended to go with what worked.
HTH,
Arthur


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: January 28, 2006 10:16 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

Build a SP in 2005 (express for me).  It is read-only, regardless of whether
I try and edit the data it inside of SMSE or in a pass-through out in
Access.

I am trying to bind a form to a SP recordset.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:37 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio

I am already going that way and have been for over a year.  The problem is
that I essentially have wasted the last year because the difference between
VS 2003 and 2005 is so radical.  Now I am relearning.

John,

What is the SPs read-only problem?  Can you explain what you are trying to
do again?

Robert

At 12:00 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:19:34 -0500
>From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2005 Server Management Studio
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <002a01c62365$e41183e0$aeb3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>To be honest, once I get over the learning curve I am leaning towards 
>abandoning the MDB as a BE.
>
>========John, if I stay in this market, I am seriously considering the 
>same thing.
>
>Susan H.


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 20 07:48:06 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:48:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working
In-Reply-To: <000e01c635be$eafbb2a0$017ba8c0@xpserver>
Message-ID: <000401c63624$508f02b0$ddb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Jim, I think so -- is there a setting for that, because I've looked, but not
found anything. But, the Employee table still won't have a DepartmentID
column. 

Susan H. 

Susan, just off the top; are the setting set to case sensitive?




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 20 07:48:07 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:48:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] code not working
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV26EC4E08E7CC72019CAF284FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01c63624$568028c0$ddb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thanks Nancy -- I appreciate that. 

Susan H. 

I ran it in SQL2005 (not express) and got the same error:
Msg 207, Level 16, State 1, Line 32
Invalid column name 'DepartmentID'.
Msg 207, Level 16, State 1, Line 50
Invalid column name 'DepartmentID'


Would someone please run this in Express and see if you get the same error I
do? The Tech Editor says it works for him, but I'm getting an error that
there's no DepartmentID column in the Employee table. I checked, and it
isn't there. I don't know whether the TE's goofy or I'm just doing something
wrong. 
 



From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Mon Feb 20 13:08:19 2006
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:08:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Determine if a database is no longer in use?
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE044D8092@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

 Hello all,

We have SQL Server 2000 sp3a running just to please some small off the
shelf solutions we purchased, and to develop some small in house
applications.  WE also let this SQL install open to all Administrators
as they should use this to log data if their application allows it to be
logged to a SQL Server database, such as Insight Manager.  Which is
where my problem begins.

For instance there are 2 databases set up on the server for Insight
Manager.  I know who installed them, however they do not remember if
they pointed the latest install to the SQL server.  So without confusing
him and making him figure out what he had done, or if the installations
on the server are valid or not I'd rather answer my own questions.  What
I want to do is delete them if they are not being used for anything.
Then once I clean this up, I want to lock the SQL server down so that
only I can create databases there, and if they need one built they need
to ask me first as I am responsible for this server.

Is there an easy way to determine if a database is no longer in use?


Rich


From darrend at nimble.com.au  Mon Feb 20 15:08:19 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:08:19 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Determine if a database is no longer in use?
In-Reply-To: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE044D8092@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <20060220210825.XIPS10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Try adding or editing some data that is easy to verify - something in an obvious
table
Then compare the results of the 'old' table and the 'new'

HTH 


Darren
------------------------------
T: 0424 696 433
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 6:08 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Determine if a database is no longer in use?

 Hello all,

We have SQL Server 2000 sp3a running just to please some small off the shelf
solutions we purchased, and to develop some small in house applications.  WE
also let this SQL install open to all Administrators as they should use this to
log data if their application allows it to be logged to a SQL Server database,
such as Insight Manager.  Which is where my problem begins.

For instance there are 2 databases set up on the server for Insight Manager.  I
know who installed them, however they do not remember if they pointed the latest
install to the SQL server.  So without confusing him and making him figure out
what he had done, or if the installations on the server are valid or not I'd
rather answer my own questions.  What I want to do is delete them if they are
not being used for anything.
Then once I clean this up, I want to lock the SQL server down so that only I can
create databases there, and if they need one built they need to ask me first as
I am responsible for this server.

Is there an easy way to determine if a database is no longer in use?


Rich
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Mon Feb 20 22:14:11 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:14:11 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] RepServices: Binding a table to a StoredProc
Message-ID: <20060221041438.PGTM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi All
I have a table on an RS report

When the table is bound to a simple Select statement EG select * from
Customers
I can then further bind each control on the report to a field in the
recordset.

EG I select the relevant text box - then from the property sheet I select
from the list of available fields
in the 'Value' combo box on the property sheet

EG txtCustomer value in the property sheet = Fields!CustomerName.Value
Cool

But when I change the recordset for the table to a Stored Proc
I see no available fields when I select a Text box and try to bind it to a
value in the propertyy sheet
Infact rather than a list of available fields, all I can see is <Expression> 

Don't know where to go from here - any suggestions appreciated

Many thanks

Darren


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 22:21:11 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:21:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] RepServices: Binding a table to a StoredProc
In-Reply-To: <20060221041438.PGTM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
References: <20060221041438.PGTM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602202021g68bedb01g48aab844f5c097df@mail.gmail.com>

is this RS 2000 or 2005?  in your sproc is it a select from a table or temp?
or cursor?... i've had the best luck on sprocs declaring a variable dummy
table up front to get the fields I need...

ie,

declare @dummy Table (Field1 int, field2 varchar(8), ...)



On 2/20/06, Darren DICK <darrend at nimble.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi All
> I have a table on an RS report
>
> When the table is bound to a simple Select statement EG select * from
> Customers
> I can then further bind each control on the report to a field in the
> recordset.
>
> EG I select the relevant text box - then from the property sheet I select
> from the list of available fields
> in the 'Value' combo box on the property sheet
>
> EG txtCustomer value in the property sheet = Fields!CustomerName.Value
> Cool
>
> But when I change the recordset for the table to a Stored Proc
> I see no available fields when I select a Text box and try to bind it to a
> value in the propertyy sheet
> Infact rather than a list of available fields, all I can see is
> <Expression>
>
> Don't know where to go from here - any suggestions appreciated
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Mon Feb 20 22:33:14 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:33:14 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] RepServices: Binding a table to a StoredProc
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0602202021g68bedb01g48aab844f5c097df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060221043334.XJXG1358.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hi Francisco
Microsoft SQL Server Report Designer 
Version 8.00.1038.00 - Dunno if that is RS 2000 or RS 2005

The SPROC returns various SQL statements depending on what is passed to it
So I think it is a select from aTable - Dunno what a Cursor is - apart from a
mouse cursor

Thanks 


Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 3:21 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] RepServices: Binding a table to a StoredProc

is this RS 2000 or 2005?  in your sproc is it a select from a table or temp?
or cursor?... i've had the best luck on sprocs declaring a variable dummy table
up front to get the fields I need...

ie,

declare @dummy Table (Field1 int, field2 varchar(8), ...)



On 2/20/06, Darren DICK <darrend at nimble.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi All
> I have a table on an RS report
>
> When the table is bound to a simple Select statement EG select * from 
> Customers I can then further bind each control on the report to a 
> field in the recordset.
>
> EG I select the relevant text box - then from the property sheet I 
> select from the list of available fields in the 'Value' combo box on 
> the property sheet
>
> EG txtCustomer value in the property sheet = Fields!CustomerName.Value 
> Cool
>
> But when I change the recordset for the table to a Stored Proc I see 
> no available fields when I select a Text box and try to bind it to a 
> value in the propertyy sheet Infact rather than a list of available 
> fields, all I can see is <Expression>
>
> Don't know where to go from here - any suggestions appreciated
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Feb 22 00:58:11 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:28:11 +1030
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Determine if a database is no longer in use?
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE389F@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

In EM:  Management -> Security -> Process Info (sort by database)

OR

Take the database offline (All tasks -> take off-line) and see if the
application falls over.

A
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa,
Rich
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2006 5:38 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Determine if a database is no longer in use?

 Hello all,

We have SQL Server 2000 sp3a running just to please some small off the
shelf solutions we purchased, and to develop some small in house
applications.  WE also let this SQL install open to all Administrators
as they should use this to log data if their application allows it to be
logged to a SQL Server database, such as Insight Manager.  Which is
where my problem begins.

For instance there are 2 databases set up on the server for Insight
Manager.  I know who installed them, however they do not remember if
they pointed the latest install to the SQL server.  So without confusing
him and making him figure out what he had done, or if the installations
on the server are valid or not I'd rather answer my own questions.  What
I want to do is delete them if they are not being used for anything.
Then once I clean this up, I want to lock the SQL server down so that
only I can create databases there, and if they need one built they need
to ask me first as I am responsible for this server.

Is there an easy way to determine if a database is no longer in use?


Rich
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Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:48:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Service Outage Announcement
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Feb 24 18:56:17 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:56:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Please Visit
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060130135538.03048618@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <055701c639a6$492c9250$8e01a8c0@rock>

Self-Serving Note: my latest SQL thing is available at
http://www.simple-talk.com/2006/02/17/intelligent-database-design-using-hash
-keys/
The more visits, the better I look, so please visit, and please comment.
Besides the self-serving aspect of this column, I think that this idea might
prove useful to more than one of you. But truth be told, they measure their
ROI on number-of-hits, so the more the better, from my point of view :)
TIA,
Arthur



From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sat Feb 25 15:56:44 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:56:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
Message-ID: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
applications. 
 
Susan H. 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Feb 26 03:31:39 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:31:39 -0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
Message-ID: <044501c63ab7$80496699$1b0e758f@ads.qub.ac.uk>

If its a quick edit u need  gimme a shout

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins"<harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
Sent: 2/25/06 9:59:49 PM
To: "SQLList"<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET

Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
applications. 
 
Susan H. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Feb 26 07:35:49 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:35:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Include data in Generate SQL Script
In-Reply-To: <20060131010816.JOHD19070.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <013201c63ad9$8e7f9d00$8e01a8c0@rock>

For this sort of thing, I use dbScripter. Google that or "DKS Advanced
Solutions, Inc." This product will let you script out any database in a
variety of ways, including selective tables. It will write both the DDL and
the Insert statements. And you can target the receiving DB, so that certain
data types will be converted to the types expected by the receiver.
I have been using it for years, and it is rock-solid.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: January 30, 2006 8:08 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Include data in Generate SQL Script

Hi all
When I use "Generate SQL script" to create a 'blank' dB of tables etc,
is there an option, a tool (even 3rd party tool) that will allow me to
say...
Select certain tables in the original dB and to to have the data in those
tables
included in the "Generate SQL script"?
 
Make sense?
 
Many thanks
 
Darren



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Feb 26 07:40:50 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:40:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between Two
	Servers
In-Reply-To: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20EC035A1@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>
Message-ID: <013301c63ada$41df1ba0$8e01a8c0@rock>

I've been a bit tardy replying to messages on this list due to work-load,
but if you haven't already had a satisfactory answer, try using a trigger.
You will have to reference the other database explicitly of course, using
the standard dot notation: ServerName.DatabaseName.TableName.
HTH,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Hartland
Sent: January 31, 2006 7:07 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between Two Servers
Importance: High

To all,
We have two servers (for the purpose of security lets call them SRV_1
and SRV_2) which both have a copy of SQL Server 2000 on them, onto which
I have placed a test database (Dbase_Rep).  When a user updates the
database on SRV_1 I need the changes to also be made on SRV_2 either
instantly or at a desired time interval.  I know this can be done and
have had a quick play and almost got it there.
Does anyone have an idiot proof step by step guide starting from scratch
or know where I can get one from.
Thanks in advance for any help on this. 

PAUL HARTLAND



From darrend at nimble.com.au  Sun Feb 26 07:49:14 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:49:14 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Include data in Generate SQL Script
In-Reply-To: <013201c63ad9$8e7f9d00$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <20060226134919.GYTW17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Brilliant Arthur
I will give it a go and pass it on to our resident SQL guru


Darren
------------------------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 12:36 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Include data in Generate SQL Script

For this sort of thing, I use dbScripter. Google that or "DKS Advanced
Solutions, Inc." This product will let you script out any database in a variety
of ways, including selective tables. It will write both the DDL and the Insert
statements. And you can target the receiving DB, so that certain data types will
be converted to the types expected by the receiver.
I have been using it for years, and it is rock-solid.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: January 30, 2006 8:08 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Include data in Generate SQL Script

Hi all
When I use "Generate SQL script" to create a 'blank' dB of tables etc, is there
an option, a tool (even 3rd party tool) that will allow me to say...
Select certain tables in the original dB and to to have the data in those tables
included in the "Generate SQL script"?
 
Make sense?
 
Many thanks
 
Darren

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 26 07:52:04 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:52:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <044501c63ab7$80496699$1b0e758f@ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000701c63adb$daaa98e0$dcb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

No, not even written yet. Don't know whether to accept the assignment or
turn it to down. 

Susan H. 

If its a quick edit u need  gimme a shout


Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
applications. 
 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Feb 26 09:29:11 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:29:11 -0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
Message-ID: <044601c63ae9$733f4b64$1b0e758f@ads.qub.ac.uk>

What is it

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins"<harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
Sent: 2/26/06 1:56:24 PM
To: "dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com"<dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET

No, not even written yet. Don't know whether to accept the assignment or
turn it to down. 

Susan H. 

If its a quick edit u need  gimme a shout


Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
applications. 
 

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dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Feb 26 09:42:03 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:42:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060208121300.032fd1c0@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c63aeb$31430840$8e01a8c0@rock>

I want to walk the list of stored procedures and UDFs within a given
database, using TSQL, and let's say print their names. Anyone know how to do
that?
Once I figure out how to do that, I then want to grab the source code for
each sproc/udf and apply a Regex to it.
TIA,
Arthur



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 23:34:38 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:34:38 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs
In-Reply-To: <013d01c63aeb$31430840$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060208121300.032fd1c0@pop3.highstream.net>
	<013d01c63aeb$31430840$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602262134x13ebe901v880049605b09a082@mail.gmail.com>

I typically just use the object browser (F4) in QA to find the sprocs /
functions I need.

On 2/26/06, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> I want to walk the list of stored procedures and UDFs within a given
> database, using TSQL, and let's say print their names. Anyone know how to
> do
> that?
> Once I figure out how to do that, I then want to grab the source code for
> each sproc/udf and apply a Regex to it.
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun Feb 26 23:47:46 2006
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:17:46 +1030
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2BE38E0@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

You should be able to query the INFORMATION_SCHEMA views for that type
of info. 

Google should give you a few hits.

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 2:12 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs

I want to walk the list of stored procedures and UDFs within a given
database, using TSQL, and let's say print their names. Anyone know how
to do that?
Once I figure out how to do that, I then want to grab the source code
for each sproc/udf and apply a Regex to it.
TIA,
Arthur

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 08:48:55 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:48:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
References: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30602270648m63443723oddc3836be39d0c0c@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

I've used SQL Server 2000 with ASP.NET in an application I did about a
year ago.  More recently I've used SQL Server with ASP.  I think that
Charlotte would have some good things to offer, but I'll give it a go,
too.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 2/25/06, Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
> who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
> applications.
>
> Susan H.
>
> ______


From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 08:48:55 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:48:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
References: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30602270648m63443723oddc3836be39d0c0c@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

I've used SQL Server 2000 with ASP.NET in an application I did about a
year ago.  More recently I've used SQL Server with ASP.  I think that
Charlotte would have some good things to offer, but I'll give it a go,
too.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 2/25/06, Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
> who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
> applications.
>
> Susan H.
>
> ______


From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 27 09:13:34 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:13:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30602270648m63443723oddc3836be39d0c0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c63bb0$6175c9b0$a4b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I appreciate the offer. I've already turned it down. They've already run an
intro -- a very good and thorough one -- and they want something more
in-depth than I think I'd want to tackle, even with someone that really
knows what they're doing. Having experts to help is great, but if I don't
know enough to ask the right questions, it can be a disaster. :( 

However, any good ideas, I'll be glad to pass along. :) 

Susan H. 

Susan,

I've used SQL Server 2000 with ASP.NET in an application I did about a year
ago.  More recently I've used SQL Server with ASP.  I think that Charlotte
would have some good things to offer, but I'll give it a go, too.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Feb 27 09:16:05 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:16:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1140976802.23792.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.5.1140976802.23792.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1141053365.440317b51ab53@webmail.highstream.net>

Arthur,

No UDFs, so I cannot answer that for you.

SQL 2005:

SELECT * FROM sys.all_objects WHERE [type] = 'p'

SQL 2000:

SELECT * FROM sysobjects WHERE xtype = 'p'

This will give you all of the information for the stored procs so you can use
that list to walk through.  I am not sure where the souce code for them resides
yet.


Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge

> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:42:03 -0500
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Walk the lists of sprocs and udfs
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <013d01c63aeb$31430840$8e01a8c0 at rock>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I want to walk the list of stored procedures and UDFs within a given
> database, using TSQL, and let's say print their names. Anyone know how to do
> that?
> Once I figure out how to do that, I then want to grab the source code for
> each sproc/udf and apply a Regex to it.
> TIA,
> Arthur




From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Feb 27 09:17:02 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:17:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 36, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1140976802.23792.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.5.1140976802.23792.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1141053422.440317eea1a41@webmail.highstream.net>

I am.  Do you have a specific question?

Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


Quoting dba-sqlserver-request at databaseadvisors.com:

> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:56:44 -0500
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
> To: "SQLList" <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <000601c63a56$6cadb640$d3b3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
> who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
> applications.
>
> Susan H.





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 27 11:51:48 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:51:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] ASP.NET
References: <000701c63adb$daaa98e0$dcb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <44033C34.2010302@shaw.ca>

It gets a little messy handling session states over multiple servers and 
there are different methods
used between ASP.NET 2.0 and ASP.NET 1.x


Jeff Prosise's blog entry on session state partitioning in ASP.NET 2.0.
Related: Mike Volodarsky's article on session state management.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/09/SessionState/default.aspx

http://wintellect.com/WEBLOGS/wintellect/archive/2005/12/06/2400.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/08/WickedCode/


Susan Harkins wrote:

>No, not even written yet. Don't know whether to accept the assignment or
>turn it to down. 
>
>Susan H. 
>
>If its a quick edit u need  gimme a shout
>
>
>Anyone using SQL SErver with ASP.NET? Specifically, I'm looking for someone
>who knows the ins and outs of managing session state for ASP.NET
>applications. 
> 
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 27 16:39:49 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:39:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
Message-ID: <003a01c63bee$b9ce0620$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?
 
Susan H. 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 27 16:51:08 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:51:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <003a01c63bee$b9ce0620$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNMEBNCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From James at fcidms.com  Mon Feb 27 16:53:07 2006
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:53:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <003a01c63bee$b9ce0620$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <008901c63bf0$93a6f4a0$800101df@fci.local>

SQL Server 2000 also fails with an error. I don't have SQL Server 2005 so I
can't test that.

James Barash 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question

In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?
 
Susan H. 

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 27 16:57:36 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:57:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <008901c63bf0$93a6f4a0$800101df@fci.local>
Message-ID: <003c01c63bf1$347b97f0$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

OK, you guys seem to disagree. :) Who's right????? ;) 

Susan H. 


SQL Server 2000 also fails with an error. I don't have SQL Server 2005 so I
can't test that.

James Barash 


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?
 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 27 17:02:32 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:02:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNMEBNCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNEEBPCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:


INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
char(10) )


If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
referring to in my last post).

If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
types don't match, then the user will get an error.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 27 17:06:44 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:06:44 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNEEBPCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNKEBPCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Nope, I take that back. My third statement was wrong. James was right.

<going to hide in corner>

D

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:


INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
char(10) )


If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
referring to in my last post).

If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
types don't match, then the user will get an error.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 27 17:06:42 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:06:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNEEBPCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c63bf2$79a9bf90$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Not INSERT INTO, SELECT INTO... 

SELECT INTO creates a new table:

SELECT * INTO newtable
FROM sourcetable

In Jet, if newtable exists, the statement writes over the existing instance
of newtable. In SQL Server Express, the statement fails with an error that
newtable already exists. I'm wondering which way SQL Server goes. 

Susan H. 

Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:


INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
char(10) )


If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
referring to in my last post).

If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
types don't match, then the user will get an error.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 27 17:18:07 2006
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:18:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <004d01c63bf2$79a9bf90$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNGECACJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

>From SQL Help

INTO Clause
Creates a new table and inserts the resulting rows from the query into it.

The user executing a SELECT statement with the INTO clause must have CREATE
TABLE permission in the destination database. SELECT...INTO cannot be used
with the COMPUTE. For more information, see Transactions and Explicit
Transactions.

You can use SELECT...INTO to create an identical table definition (different
table name) with no data by having a FALSE condition in the WHERE clause.


But it seems to error each time for me, no matter how I use it.

D


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:07 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


Not INSERT INTO, SELECT INTO...

SELECT INTO creates a new table:

SELECT * INTO newtable
FROM sourcetable

In Jet, if newtable exists, the statement writes over the existing instance
of newtable. In SQL Server Express, the statement fails with an error that
newtable already exists. I'm wondering which way SQL Server goes.

Susan H.

Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:


INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
char(10) )


If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
referring to in my last post).

If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
types don't match, then the user will get an error.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 27 17:26:39 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:26:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNKEBPCJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c63bf5$4361d870$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Oh please come out of the corner. :) 

Thanks for trying to help!

Susan H. 

Nope, I take that back. My third statement was wrong. James was right.

<going to hide in corner>



Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:


INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
char(10) )


If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
referring to in my last post).

If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
types don't match, then the user will get an error.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method. I
don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question


In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error. I
uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody tell
me how SQL Server responds?

Susan H.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 23:27:40 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:27:40 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
In-Reply-To: <MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNGECACJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
References: <004d01c63bf2$79a9bf90$bbb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
	<MAELJIKADABIDLHFDKKNGECACJAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602272127m1d52ddf3h794c8d37a8f144a3@mail.gmail.com>

Typically you'd use it by saying something like,

SELECT * INTO tblNewTableName From tblOldTableName where 1 = 0.  This copies
everything but the indexes....

This method works great for the lazy typist out there who don't like to
Write out the fields of their Temp Tables, as you know writing to a temp
table w/ the where clause instead of explcitly defining it first or the
method above, can cause a temporary lock while the table is created as it
waits for the data to be retreived....



On 2/27/06, David McAfee <dmcafee at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >From SQL Help
>
> INTO Clause
> Creates a new table and inserts the resulting rows from the query into it.
>
> The user executing a SELECT statement with the INTO clause must have
> CREATE
> TABLE permission in the destination database. SELECT...INTO cannot be used
> with the COMPUTE. For more information, see Transactions and Explicit
> Transactions.
>
> You can use SELECT...INTO to create an identical table definition
> (different
> table name) with no data by having a FALSE condition in the WHERE clause.
>
>
> But it seems to error each time for me, no matter how I use it.
>
> D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:07 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
>
>
> Not INSERT INTO, SELECT INTO...
>
> SELECT INTO creates a new table:
>
> SELECT * INTO newtable
> FROM sourcetable
>
> In Jet, if newtable exists, the statement writes over the existing
> instance
> of newtable. In SQL Server Express, the statement fails with an error that
> newtable already exists. I'm wondering which way SQL Server goes.
>
> Susan H.
>
> Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
> selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:
>
>
> INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
> char(10) )
>
>
> If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
> referring to in my last post).
>
> If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
> types don't match, then the user will get an error.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
> McAfee
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
>
>
> SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method.
> I
> don't.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
> To: SQLList
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
>
>
> In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
> the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
> did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error.
> I
> uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody
> tell
> me how SQL Server responds?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Feb 28 03:14:03 2006
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:14:03 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
Message-ID: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0@user>

Anyone help with this error?

I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL Server 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an error which prevents the install going through successfully.

Error is:

- COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)

Messages

? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
 

If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but may not remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files and then rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+ Check Failure in SQL Server Setup."





I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there (to reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done evrything suggested..



But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to get this again.





Kath Pelletti


From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Feb 28 07:22:00 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren HALL)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:22:00 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
Message-ID: <20060228132205.DLBH16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Hello all
In reporting services if I run the code below (from Lambert over at AccessD) I
get the error message...
"Wend statements are no longer supported . Use "End While" statements instead
 
So If I replace wend with End while  I don't get the desired result
 
The desired result is 
From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll
I want.....some cool file.dll
But
I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some Folder
 
any suggestions??
Many thanks
 
Darren
 
 
Code Start>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Function GetPath(aPath) As String
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    end while
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
    Else
        GetPath = aPath
    End If
End Function


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 11:14:58 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:14:58 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
In-Reply-To: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0@user>
References: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602280914pcfe5d7fjd98c0547b816f4b0@mail.gmail.com>

the following may not help a lot, but...
visit vmware.com and download their "free" vmserver, next install a clean OS
and retry your VS2005/SS2005.  There may be other conflicts with your
exisiting environment.  are you doing the full version or the express?

--
Francisco

On 2/28/06, Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:
>
> Anyone help with this error?
>
> I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL
> Server 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an error
> which prevents the install going through successfully.
>
> Error is:
>
> - COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)
>
> Messages
>
> ? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
>
>
> If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but may
> not remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files and
> then rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+ Check
> Failure in SQL Server Setup."
>
>
>
>
>
> I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there (to
> reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done
> evrything suggested..
>
>
>
> But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even
> restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to get this
> again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kath Pelletti
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 11:17:48 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:17:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
In-Reply-To: <20060228132205.DLBH16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
References: <20060228132205.DLBH16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602280917r2038f8c2v534ea27ecb515991@mail.gmail.com>

in RS where are you placing this code?

On 2/28/06, Darren HALL <darrend at nimble.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> In reporting services if I run the code below (from Lambert over at
> AccessD) I
> get the error message...
> "Wend statements are no longer supported . Use "End While" statements
> instead
>
> So If I replace wend with End while  I don't get the desired result
>
> The desired result is
> From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll
> I want.....some cool file.dll
> But
> I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some Folder
>
> any suggestions??
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
>
>
> Code Start>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
>     aSlash = 0
>     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
>     While (foo > 0)
>         aSlash = foo
>         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
>     end while
>     If aSlash > 0 Then
>         GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
>     Else
>         GetPath = aPath
>     End If
> End Function
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 11:20:21 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:20:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between Two
	Servers
In-Reply-To: <013301c63ada$41df1ba0$8e01a8c0@rock>
References: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20EC035A1@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>
	<013301c63ada$41df1ba0$8e01a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602280920j7b4386f2ga7fb33e193b22f32@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
  If you can upgrade the servers to 2005 (do this first in dev), then you
can utilize database mirroring wich is much easier to setup than replication
and seems to handle collisions a lot better.


On 2/26/06, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> I've been a bit tardy replying to messages on this list due to work-load,
> but if you haven't already had a satisfactory answer, try using a trigger.
> You will have to reference the other database explicitly of course, using
> the standard dot notation: ServerName.DatabaseName.TableName.
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Hartland
> Sent: January 31, 2006 7:07 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between Two
> Servers
> Importance: High
>
> To all,
> We have two servers (for the purpose of security lets call them SRV_1
> and SRV_2) which both have a copy of SQL Server 2000 on them, onto which
> I have placed a test database (Dbase_Rep).  When a user updates the
> database on SRV_1 I need the changes to also be made on SRV_2 either
> instantly or at a desired time interval.  I know this can be done and
> have had a quick play and almost got it there.
> Does anyone have an idiot proof step by step guide starting from scratch
> or know where I can get one from.
> Thanks in advance for any help on this.
>
> PAUL HARTLAND
>
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>


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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Feb 28 13:09:10 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:09:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored Procs and Functions in SQL 2005
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1141149603.5560.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.5.1141149603.5560.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1141153750.44049fd6dba85@webmail.highstream.net>

Arthur,

To answer a little more of your question the other day, here is the SQl
statement that will give you all the stored proces and functions in SQL 2005. 
Sorry, not ime for it in 2000.  It will also give you the text of the
proc/function.


SELECT     SPECIFIC_CATALOG, SPECIFIC_SCHEMA,
           SPECIFIC_NAME, ROUTINE_CATALOG,
           ROUTINE_SCHEMA, ROUTINE_NAME,
           ROUTINE_TYPE, DATA_TYPE,
           CHARACTER_SET_NAME, NUMERIC_PRECISION,
           NUMERIC_PRECISION_RADIX, NUMERIC_SCALE,
           DATETIME_PRECISION, ROUTINE_BODY,
           ROUTINE_DEFINITION, IS_DETERMINISTIC,
           SQL_DATA_ACCESS, IS_NULL_CALL,
           SCHEMA_LEVEL_ROUTINE, MAX_DYNAMIC_RESULT_SETS,
           IS_USER_DEFINED_CAST, IS_IMPLICITLY_INVOCABLE,
           CREATED, LAST_ALTERED
FROM       INFORMATION_SCHEMA.ROUTINES


Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


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>    3.  Wend Statement Not Allowed (Darren HALL)
>    4. Re:  HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL (Francisco Tapia)
>    5. Re:  Wend Statement Not Allowed (Francisco Tapia)
>    6. Re:  SQL Server Database Replication Between Two	Servers
>       (Francisco Tapia)
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:27:40 -0800
> From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b874372a0602272127m1d52ddf3h794c8d37a8f144a3 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Typically you'd use it by saying something like,
>
> SELECT * INTO tblNewTableName From tblOldTableName where 1 = 0.  This copies
> everything but the indexes....
>
> This method works great for the lazy typist out there who don't like to
> Write out the fields of their Temp Tables, as you know writing to a temp
> table w/ the where clause instead of explcitly defining it first or the
> method above, can cause a temporary lock while the table is created as it
> waits for the data to be retreived....
>
>
>
> On 2/27/06, David McAfee <dmcafee at pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >From SQL Help
> >
> > INTO Clause
> > Creates a new table and inserts the resulting rows from the query into it.
> >
> > The user executing a SELECT statement with the INTO clause must have
> > CREATE
> > TABLE permission in the destination database. SELECT...INTO cannot be used
> > with the COMPUTE. For more information, see Transactions and Explicit
> > Transactions.
> >
> > You can use SELECT...INTO to create an identical table definition
> > (different
> > table name) with no data by having a FALSE condition in the WHERE clause.
> >
> >
> > But it seems to error each time for me, no matter how I use it.
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:07 PM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
> >
> >
> > Not INSERT INTO, SELECT INTO...
> >
> > SELECT INTO creates a new table:
> >
> > SELECT * INTO newtable
> > FROM sourcetable
> >
> > In Jet, if newtable exists, the statement writes over the existing
> > instance
> > of newtable. In SQL Server Express, the statement fails with an error that
> > newtable already exists. I'm wondering which way SQL Server goes.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > Sorry I read that wrong. In SQL 2000, if the correct data types are
> > selected, it will simply insert the values as new records:
> >
> >
> > INSERT INTO tblTest SELECT 'Test3'    (table tblTest only has one field, a
> > char(10) )
> >
> >
> > If the table does not exist, the table will be created (this is what I was
> > referring to in my last post).
> >
> > If the table already exists but the number or columns are different or the
> > types don't match, then the user will get an error.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
> > McAfee
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:51 PM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
> >
> >
> > SQL Server 2000 works like access. Some coworkers like using this method.
> > I
> > don't.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:40 PM
> > To: SQLList
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SELECT INTO question
> >
> >
> > In Jet SQL, the SELECT INTO statement will overwrite an existing table if
> > the target table already exists. I just checked SQL Server Express and it
> > did NOT overwrite an existing table -- the statement failed with an error.
> > I
> > uninstalled SQL Server awhile back, so I can't check it -- can anybody
> > tell
> > me how SQL Server responds?
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:14:03 +1100
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
> To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0 at user>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Anyone help with this error?
>
> I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL Server
> 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an error which
> prevents the install going through successfully.
>
> Error is:
>
> - COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)
>
> Messages
>
> ? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
>
>
> If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but may not
> remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files and then
> rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+ Check Failure
> in SQL Server Setup."
>
>
>
>
>
> I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there (to
> reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done
> evrything suggested..
>
>
>
> But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even
> restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to get this
> again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kath Pelletti
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:22:00 +1100
> From: "Darren HALL" <darrend at nimble.com.au>
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
> To: "dba-SQL Server" <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<20060228132205.DLBH16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com at DENZILLAP>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello all
> In reporting services if I run the code below (from Lambert over at AccessD)
> I
> get the error message...
> "Wend statements are no longer supported . Use "End While" statements instead
>
> So If I replace wend with End while  I don't get the desired result
>
> The desired result is
> From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll
> I want.....some cool file.dll
> But
> I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some Folder
>
> any suggestions??
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
>
>
> Code Start>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
>     aSlash = 0
>     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
>     While (foo > 0)
>         aSlash = foo
>         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
>     end while
>     If aSlash > 0 Then
>         GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
>     Else
>         GetPath = aPath
>     End If
> End Function
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:14:58 -0800
> From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b874372a0602280914pcfe5d7fjd98c0547b816f4b0 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> the following may not help a lot, but...
> visit vmware.com and download their "free" vmserver, next install a clean OS
> and retry your VS2005/SS2005.  There may be other conflicts with your
> exisiting environment.  are you doing the full version or the express?
>
> --
> Francisco
>
> On 2/28/06, Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone help with this error?
> >
> > I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL
> > Server 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an error
> > which prevents the install going through successfully.
> >
> > Error is:
> >
> > - COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)
> >
> > Messages
> >
> > ? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
> >
> >
> > If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but may
> > not remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files and
> > then rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+ Check
> > Failure in SQL Server Setup."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there (to
> > reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done
> > evrything suggested..
> >
> >
> >
> > But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even
> > restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to get
> this
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kath Pelletti
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -Francisco
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> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:17:48 -0800
> From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b874372a0602280917r2038f8c2v534ea27ecb515991 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> in RS where are you placing this code?
>
> On 2/28/06, Darren HALL <darrend at nimble.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all
> > In reporting services if I run the code below (from Lambert over at
> > AccessD) I
> > get the error message...
> > "Wend statements are no longer supported . Use "End While" statements
> > instead
> >
> > So If I replace wend with End while  I don't get the desired result
> >
> > The desired result is
> > From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll
> > I want.....some cool file.dll
> > But
> > I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some Folder
> >
> > any suggestions??
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
> > Code Start>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Function GetPath(aPath) As String
> > Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
> >     aSlash = 0
> >     foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
> >     While (foo > 0)
> >         aSlash = foo
> >         foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
> >     end while
> >     If aSlash > 0 Then
> >         GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
> >     Else
> >         GetPath = aPath
> >     End If
> > End Function
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:20:21 -0800
> From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between
> 	Two	Servers
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Message-ID:
> 	<b874372a0602280920j7b4386f2ga7fb33e193b22f32 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Paul,
>   If you can upgrade the servers to 2005 (do this first in dev), then you
> can utilize database mirroring wich is much easier to setup than replication
> and seems to handle collisions a lot better.
>
>
> On 2/26/06, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been a bit tardy replying to messages on this list due to work-load,
> > but if you haven't already had a satisfactory answer, try using a trigger.
> > You will have to reference the other database explicitly of course, using
> > the standard dot notation: ServerName.DatabaseName.TableName.
> > HTH,
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Hartland
> > Sent: January 31, 2006 7:07 AM
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server Database Replication Between Two
> > Servers
> > Importance: High
> >
> > To all,
> > We have two servers (for the purpose of security lets call them SRV_1
> > and SRV_2) which both have a copy of SQL Server 2000 on them, onto which
> > I have placed a test database (Dbase_Rep).  When a user updates the
> > database on SRV_1 I need the changes to also be made on SRV_2 either
> > instantly or at a desired time interval.  I know this can be done and
> > have had a quick play and almost got it there.
> > Does anyone have an idiot proof step by step guide starting from scratch
> > or know where I can get one from.
> > Thanks in advance for any help on this.
> >
> > PAUL HARTLAND
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
> -Francisco
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Feb 28 15:20:27 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:20:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
In-Reply-To: <20060228132205.DLBH16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>
Message-ID: <44054B3B.13224.1CDA611@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:22, Darren HALL wrote:
> The desired result is 
> From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll
> I want.....some cool file.dll
> But
> I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some Folder

That's what I would expect from a function named "GetPath" <g>
.....
>GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)

Left$ is returning everything in aPath *up to* the last "\".
If you want everything *after* this, change this line to read :
 = Right$(aPath,Len(aPath) - aSlash)

I would also change the name of the function to GetFilename() or something 
similar.


-- 
Stuart




From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Feb 28 15:26:55 2006
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:26:55 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
References: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0@user>
	<b874372a0602280914pcfe5d7fjd98c0547b816f4b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c63cad$b3d33550$6401a8c0@user>

Reload the OS? So you think this is a Windows setup problem? (I am loading full SQL Server 2005). 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL


  the following may not help a lot, but...
  visit vmware.com and download their "free" vmserver, next install a clean OS
  and retry your VS2005/SS2005.  There may be other conflicts with your
  exisiting environment.  are you doing the full version or the express?

  --
  Francisco

  On 2/28/06, Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:
  >
  > Anyone help with this error?
  >
  > I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL
  > Server 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an error
  > which prevents the install going through successfully.
  >
  > Error is:
  >
  > - COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)
  >
  > Messages
  >
  > ? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
  >
  >
  > If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but may
  > not remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files and
  > then rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+ Check
  > Failure in SQL Server Setup."
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there (to
  > reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done
  > evrything suggested..
  >
  >
  >
  > But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even
  > restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to get this
  > again.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Kath Pelletti
  > _______________________________________________
  > dba-SQLServer mailing list
  > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
  > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
  > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
  >
  >


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From darrend at nimble.com.au  Tue Feb 28 16:23:00 2006
From: darrend at nimble.com.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:23:00 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed
In-Reply-To: <44054B3B.13224.1CDA611@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20060228222306.DNGG5565.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@DENZILLAP>

Howdy

<Hangs head in embarrassed shame> 
Sigh - Yes I realised about 1 am this am
The code was doing exactly what it was designed to do - return a path - not a
file name

Many thanks Stuart

I copy and pasted your mod and it works brilliantly

And yes - I now have 2 functions

1 returning the path the other returning the FileName

Many many thanks....again

How'd the conference go??

Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 8:20 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Wend Statement Not Allowed

On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:22, Darren HALL wrote:
> The desired result is
> From..... .C:\Program Files\Some Folder\some cool file.dll I 
> want.....some cool file.dll But I am getting.....C:\Program Files\Some 
> Folder

That's what I would expect from a function named "GetPath" <g> .....
>GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)

Left$ is returning everything in aPath *up to* the last "\".
If you want everything *after* this, change this line to read :
 = Right$(aPath,Len(aPath) - aSlash)

I would also change the name of the function to GetFilename() or something
similar.


-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 16:27:04 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:27:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
In-Reply-To: <003401c63cad$b3d33550$6401a8c0@user>
References: <001001c63c47$52d4a510$6401a8c0@user>
	<b874372a0602280914pcfe5d7fjd98c0547b816f4b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<003401c63cad$b3d33550$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <b874372a0602281427y11cb6b9dp5f87873003b9673a@mail.gmail.com>

No, but it could be a conflicting software problem.  That's why I've
recently adopted to creating VM's(Virtual Machines) for first installs of
software, it gets me running on that platform, w/o affectign existing
software already loaded on my machine.

On 2/28/06, Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:
>
> Reload the OS? So you think this is a Windows setup problem? (I am loading
> full SQL Server 2005).
>
> Kath
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Francisco Tapia
>   To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:14 AM
>   Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] HELP!!! sQL SERVER WON'T INSTALL
>
>
>   the following may not help a lot, but...
>   visit vmware.com and download their "free" vmserver, next install a
> clean OS
>   and retry your VS2005/SS2005.  There may be other conflicts with your
>   exisiting environment.  are you doing the full version or the express?
>
>   --
>   Francisco
>
>   On 2/28/06, Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:
>   >
>   > Anyone help with this error?
>   >
>   > I have installed MS Visual Studio and then when trying top install SQL
>   > Server 2005, it does a system configuration check and gives me an
> error
>   > which prevents the install going through successfully.
>   >
>   > Error is:
>   >
>   > - COM Plus Catalog Requirement (Warning)
>   >
>   > Messages
>   >
>   > ? COM Plus Catalog Requirement
>   >
>   >
>   > If SQL Server Setup fails, Setup will roll back the installation but
> may
>   > not remove all .manifest files. The workaround is to rename the files
> and
>   > then rerun Setup. For more information, see How to: Work Around COM+
> Check
>   > Failure in SQL Server Setup."
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > I have looked thru help (and googled) and followed instructions there
> (to
>   > reinstall Component services snap in, and reinstall com) and I've done
>   > evrything suggested..
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > But no luck - - getting desperate after 8 hours of this today. I even
>   > restored to a ghosted image and re-installed everything new only to
> get this
>   > again.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Kath Pelletti
>   > _______________________________________________
>   > dba-SQLServer mailing list
>   > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>   > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>   > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>   >
>   >
>
>
>   --
>   -Francisco
>   http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
>   http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
>   _______________________________________________
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>


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