From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon May  1 11:45:05 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:45:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQL
	Server List
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Kath,

Just saw this thread today...

As far as web sites, I'd suggest a visit to
http://www.sqlservercentral.com .  Free registration to get access to
everything, a sprightly daily e-mail newsletter, e-books for cheap,
and lots and lots of articles on SQL Server.

As far as books go, you might want to look into Safari Bookshelf
On-line ( http://www.safaribooksonline.com/ ). For $15 a month you get
up to 10 books on your "bookshelf".  You must keep a book for at least
30 days, at which time you may remove it from your shelf and replace
it with another...or you can hang onto a book forever, taking up a
"slot" on your bookshelf.  About three dozen publishers have their
books in Safari format, which is searchable across ALL books in the
Safari library.  Some publishers are missing from the "stable" of
publishers available, but there are plenty.  The two .NET Framework
books Shamil mentioned are available on Safari, while the ASP.NET
Tips, Tutorials and the Mastering Visual Basic 2005 are not.

I can recommend Scott Mitchell as an author (the book recommended by
Eric Barro is by Mitchell).  Mitchell's web site is the famous 4 Guys
from Rolla: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com .

Regards,

Steve Erbach
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 4/12/06, Kath Pelletti <kp at sdsonline.net> wrote:
> (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
>
> I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
>
> But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
>
> (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
>
> (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
>
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti


From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon May  1 18:51:50 2006
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:51:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences +
	SQLServer List
References: <001e01c65e8a$6452bec0$6601a8c0@office>
	<39cb22f30605010945g497cfb4cqfc0feff104b04ae6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c66d7a$381202e0$6601a8c0@office>

Thanks Steve. I had found SQLServerCentral.com and am getting the daily newsletter. Have you used the Safari site much? Looks interesting.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Erbach 
  To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
  Cc: Access D Normal List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQLServer List


  Kath,

  Just saw this thread today...

  As far as web sites, I'd suggest a visit to
  http://www.sqlservercentral.com .  Free registration to get access to
  everything, a sprightly daily e-mail newsletter, e-books for cheap,
  and lots and lots of articles on SQL Server.

  As far as books go, you might want to look into Safari Bookshelf
  On-line ( http://www.safaribooksonline.com/ ). For $15 a month you get
  up to 10 books on your "bookshelf".  You must keep a book for at least
  30 days, at which time you may remove it from your shelf and replace
  it with another...or you can hang onto a book forever, taking up a
  "slot" on your bookshelf.  About three dozen publishers have their
  books in Safari format, which is searchable across ALL books in the
  Safari library.  Some publishers are missing from the "stable" of
  publishers available, but there are plenty.  The two .NET Framework
  books Shamil mentioned are available on Safari, while the ASP.NET
  Tips, Tutorials and the Mastering Visual Basic 2005 are not.

  I can recommend Scott Mitchell as an author (the book recommended by
  Eric Barro is by Mitchell).  Mitchell's web site is the famous 4 Guys
  from Rolla: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com .

  Regards,

  Steve Erbach
  http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


  On 4/12/06, Kath Pelletti <kp at sdsonline.net> wrote:
  > (Cross posted to SQl Server and AccessD normal list)
  >
  > I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this learning curve....
  >
  > But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic 2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?
  >
  > (I know O'Reilly's are good but I am told by my colleague here that that it is more of a reference book.)
  >
  > (While I am posting - it's very quiet on our SQL list for now - is there another list anyone has been using which they would recommend?
  >
  > ______________________________________
  > Kath Pelletti
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon May  1 18:58:14 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:58:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences +SQLServer
	List
In-Reply-To: <002c01c66d7a$381202e0$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <001301c66d7b$1c7766f0$afb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

 
  > I have been learning SQL Server 2005 and vb.net this year......I have
found Mike Gunderloy's book "Mastering SQL Server 2005" an absolute god
send. I would highly recommend this one to anyone going through this
learning curve....
  >
  > But the book I bought for learning vb.net is not so good - "Visual Basic
2005 - Programmer's reference' by Rod Stephens. It's not too bad - very much
like reading the MS help screens - but I am looking for a book which will
step me through it - a la Mike's style. Any recommendations?

=========The Mastering series probably has a vb.net book -- the format is
the same throughout the series, so you would probably find a Mastering title
helpful. 

Susan H. 



From Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk  Tue May  2 05:31:48 2006
From: Paul.Hartland at orridge.co.uk (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:31:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server - Transactional Replication - Syntax
	Error or Access Violation
Message-ID: <14A7AB003EFD444BBB193A23128DA20E01042671@AL-PRI.Aldridge.local>

To all,

I have had Transactional replication running without a problem now for
at least the last couple of months, however I have came in this morning
to find it has stopped working with the failure message being Syntax
Error or Access Violation.  If a double click the error I get a box up
saying the Publisher name, Agent, Publication & Subscription which are
ok.  Then a last command which says :

{CALL sp_MSdel_tblPre-JobWages (N'A', N'WD', N'Checker',
6.2399998e+000)} 
Transaction sequence number and command ID of last execution batch are
0x000372D500000E79000F00000000 and 1. 

Error Message: Syntax error or access violation.

Error Details: Syntax error or access violation
                    (Source: AL-MAN (ODBC); Error number:  37000)

Anyone any ideas on what could be happening ?

I notice the error occurs with something to do with tblPre-JobWages, but
this table hasn't been changed in anyway for over 7-9 months now (before
I even started the Transactional Replication)....

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue May  2 10:03:04 2006
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:03:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences +
	SQLServer List
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References: <001e01c65e8a$6452bec0$6601a8c0@office>
	<39cb22f30605010945g497cfb4cqfc0feff104b04ae6@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c66d7a$381202e0$6601a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <39cb22f30605020803n4343df58xbe19080b1cee8b6f@mail.gmail.com>

Kath,

Yes, I have used Safari extensively. I've been a subscriber for quite
some time.  I find that, even though it isn't as convenient to read a
book on-line, the code samples that are available right there and the
pertinent links to other pages and sites are very handy features.

If you're an MSDN subscriber, there's a 30-day free trial of Safari.

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
http://TheTownCrank.blogspot.com


On 5/1/06, Kath Pelletti <kp at sdsonline.net> wrote:
> Thanks Steve. I had found SQLServerCentral.com and am getting the daily newsletter. Have you used the Safari site much? Looks interesting.
>
> Kath
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve Erbach
>   To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>   Cc: Access D Normal List
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:45 AM
>   Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] VB.net reference books - experiences + SQLServer List
>
>
>   Kath,
>
>   Just saw this thread today...
>
>   As far as web sites, I'd suggest a visit to
>   http://www.sqlservercentral.com .  Free registration to get access to
>   everything, a sprightly daily e-mail newsletter, e-books for cheap,
>   and lots and lots of articles on SQL Server.
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed May  3 12:33:43 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:33:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sp_OAMethod Timeouts?
Message-ID: <b874372a0605031033s6bdb8f45of383eb0242493908@mail.gmail.com>

I'm making a webservice call using sp_OAMethod.  I've recently been
getting some timeouts because the service may take a little bit longer
than expected.  I searched in BOL and did not find a method for
increasing my timeout wait status?  anybody have this info handy?

--
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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Fri May  5 16:34:38 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:34:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN
Message-ID: <002001c6708b$b70a52f0$e2b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I understand that DELETE won't delete records from the nullable side of a
LEFT JOIN. However, what I'm finding is that I can't use DELETE with any
LEFT JOIN -- can someone clarify this for me? 
 
Susan H. 



From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun May  7 08:50:51 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:50:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
Message-ID: <002701c671dd$417a6810$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I've been experimenting a bit with the DELETE on an OUTER JOIN, and so far,
I've not been able to run a single DELETE on any query that contains an
OUTER JOIN -- I understand the null ability business, but I think what all
that technique mumbo jumbo really means is, you can't use DELETE with an
OUTER JOIN -- anyone know for sure about this? 
 
Susan H. 



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May  7 14:36:01 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:36:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <002701c671dd$417a6810$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
References: <002701c671dd$417a6810$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <445E4C21.1080200@shaw.ca>


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I've been experimenting a bit with the DELETE on an OUTER JOIN, and so far,
>I've not been able to run a single DELETE on any query that contains an
>OUTER JOIN -- I understand the null ability business, but I think what all
>that technique mumbo jumbo really means is, you can't use DELETE with an
>OUTER JOIN -- anyone know for sure about this? 
> 
>Susan H. 
>
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>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun May  7 14:48:35 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:48:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <445E4C21.1080200@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003501c6720f$3b585b40$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

No: 

DELETE 
FROM one LEFT JOIN many 
ON one.column = many.column

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To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I've been experimenting a bit with the DELETE on an OUTER JOIN, and so 
>far, I've not been able to run a single DELETE on any query that 
>contains an OUTER JOIN -- I understand the null ability business, but I 
>think what all that technique mumbo jumbo really means is, you can't 
>use DELETE with an OUTER JOIN -- anyone know for sure about this?
> 
>Susan H. 
>
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>
>
>  
>

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Sun May  7 14:54:08 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:54:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <445E4C21.1080200@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003601c67210$019fa240$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I tried yours -- the only difference seems to be that you specified the
non-nullable table. Using the following statement, I still got an error:

DELETE Customers.*
FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID

I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
issue?

Susan H. 


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...




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Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:36:01 -0700
From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN
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 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I've been experimenting a bit with the DELETE on an OUTER JOIN, and so
far,
>I've not been able to run a single DELETE on any query that contains an
>OUTER JOIN -- I understand the null ability business, but I think what
all
>that technique mumbo jumbo really means is, you can't use DELETE with
an
>OUTER JOIN -- anyone know for sure about this? 
> 
>Susan H. 
>
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>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:48:35 -0400
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN
	quirk
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Message-ID: <003501c6720f$3b585b40$9bb3d6d1 at SUSANONE>
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No: 

DELETE 
FROM one LEFT JOIN many 
ON one.column = many.column

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Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:36 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN
quirk


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...

Susan Harkins wrote:

>I've been experimenting a bit with the DELETE on an OUTER JOIN, and so 
>far, I've not been able to run a single DELETE on any query that 
>contains an OUTER JOIN -- I understand the null ability business, but I

>think what all that technique mumbo jumbo really means is, you can't 
>use DELETE with an OUTER JOIN -- anyone know for sure about this?
> 
>Susan H. 
>
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Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:54:08 -0400
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkinsss at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN
	quirk
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I tried yours -- the only difference seems to be that you specified the
non-nullable table. Using the following statement, I still got an error:

DELETE Customers.*
FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID

I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
issue?

Susan H. 


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...




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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May  8 15:06:45 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:06:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <003601c67210$019fa240$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
References: <003601c67210$019fa240$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <445FA4D5.20402@shaw.ca>

Try a Select if that works then it is a problem with an non updateable 
query.
I know Joe Celko addresses a lot of these outerjoin problems between 
different database
SQL Syntax in SQL for Smarties.


Susan Harkins wrote:

>I tried yours -- the only difference seems to be that you specified the
>non-nullable table. Using the following statement, I still got an error:
>
>DELETE Customers.*
>FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
>ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID
>
>I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
>issue?
>
>Susan H. 
>
>
> Are you specifying which table to delete from
>
>DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
>or
>DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
>
>
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>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Mon May  8 15:23:44 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:23:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <445FA4D5.20402@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000a01c672dd$4e85ac80$bab3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Yeah, the SELECT works on them all -- just not DELETE. I have other
solutions, and I understand the nullability business -- just what little
I've found makes it sound like the DELETE won't work on the many table --
the nullable table, and that doesn't appear to be the case -- it won't work
on either side of the join as far as I can tell. 

Susan H. 

Try a Select if that works then it is a problem with an non updateable
query.
I know Joe Celko addresses a lot of these outerjoin problems between
different database SQL Syntax in SQL for Smarties.





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon May  8 19:20:06 2006
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:20:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] sp_OAMethod Timeouts?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0605031033s6bdb8f45of383eb0242493908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a0605031033s6bdb8f45of383eb0242493908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0605081720i126876a7u59f7aeb667646c8d@mail.gmail.com>

If the sp_OAMethod is used in a sproc, is there a way to extend the
timeout for this sproc ?



On 5/3/06, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm making a webservice call using sp_OAMethod.  I've recently been
> getting some timeouts because the service may take a little bit longer
> than expected.  I searched in BOL and did not find a method for
> increasing my timeout wait status?  anybody have this info handy?
>
> --
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 10 00:07:25 2006
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:07:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A5C2@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Susan,

Doing some maint and came across this which I wrote some time ago.

DELETE t_tfm_CLEARFELL
FROM t_tfm_CLEARFELL AS t1, #t AS t2
WHERE t1.Job_Number = t2.Job_Number 
	AND t1.Region = t2.Region
	AND t1.IsCompartment = t2.IsCompartment
	AND t1.Age = t2.Age
	AND t1.Compartment = t2.Compartment

There used to be a way to force outer joins in the where part.  IIRC
Maybe that will work, can't test just now.

cheers

Michael M


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Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 7:35 AM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN

I understand that DELETE won't delete records from the nullable side of
a LEFT JOIN. However, what I'm finding is that I can't use DELETE with
any LEFT JOIN -- can someone clarify this for me? 
 
Susan H. 

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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed May 10 07:25:44 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:25:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A5C2@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <001601c6742c$edf99e20$8fb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

This is one of the solutions I came up with -- but thanks for the
confirmation. 

Yesterday, I learned that when you use DELETE with any JOIN you MUST use the
second FROM clause? Anyone heard of this? 

Susan H. 

Susan,

Doing some maint and came across this which I wrote some time ago.

DELETE t_tfm_CLEARFELL
FROM t_tfm_CLEARFELL AS t1, #t AS t2
WHERE t1.Job_Number = t2.Job_Number 
	AND t1.Region = t2.Region
	AND t1.IsCompartment = t2.IsCompartment
	AND t1.Age = t2.Age
	AND t1.Compartment = t2.Compartment

There used to be a way to force outer joins in the where part.  IIRC Maybe
that will work, can't test just now.

cheers

Michael M


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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 7:35 AM
To: SQLList
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN

I understand that DELETE won't delete records from the nullable side of a
LEFT JOIN. However, what I'm finding is that I can't use DELETE with any
LEFT JOIN -- can someone clarify this for me? 
 
Susan H. 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 10 16:45:10 2006
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:45:10 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN
In-Reply-To: <001601c6742c$edf99e20$8fb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A5C2@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <4462EB86.23370.712C494@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 May 2006 at 8:25, Susan Harkins wrote:

> This is one of the solutions I came up with -- but thanks for the
> confirmation. 
> 
> Yesterday, I learned that when you use DELETE with any JOIN you MUST use the
> second FROM clause? Anyone heard of this? 
> 

True. That is precisely what TSQL Help says under DELETE when you read it 
carefully:

Firstly, you need to part way down the page where a "table_source" is 
defined as  one of the following: table_name", "view_name", 
"rowset_function", "derived_table" or "joined_table" 

Also note the restriction on view_name: "The view referenced by view_name 
must be updatable and reference exactly one base table in the FROM clause 
of the view."

Finally look at the part that says:

FROM <table_source> 
Specifies an additional FROM clause. This Transact-SQL extension to DELETE 
allows you to specify data from <table_sources> and delete corresponding 
rows from the table in the first FROM clause. 

Now look at the actual specification of a DELETE command:

In the first clause, optionally preceded by the word "FROM"  - you can have 
a "table_name", "view_name" or "rowset_function_limited". There is no 
mention here of "table_source" or any specification of the last two types 
of  "table_sources", so they are not permitted.

In the  *additional*  FROM clause -  you can have a "table_source"
so this is the *only* place you can have "derived_table" or "join_table"





-- 
Stuart




From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed May 10 19:56:41 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:56:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] DELETE and LEFT JOIN
In-Reply-To: <4462EB86.23370.712C494@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000501c67495$d0bd3dd0$c4b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

I'm a skimmer -- I admit it -- I skim for what I need. I find it very
difficult to read something word for word -- <blush> 

It's terrible that the information is there and I've never once actually
read it and understood the full intent. :( 

Thanks Stuart!
Susan H. 

True. That is precisely what TSQL Help says under DELETE when you read it
carefully:




From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 16 06:47:32 2006
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <003601c67210$019fa240$9bb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <20060516114732.91280.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure about what is technically possible in this case, but if you meant your query explicitly then I'd say you hit a feature, not a problem. Otherwise you'd be orphaning Orders rows.

Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote: I tried yours -- the only difference seems to be that you specified the
non-nullable table. Using the following statement, I still got an error:

DELETE Customers.*
FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID

I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
issue?

Susan H. 


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...


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From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Tue May 16 07:50:15 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:50:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <20060516114732.91280.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c678e7$5c7f4160$bcb3d6d1@SUSANONE>

That's true Arthur, but unless I'm enabling features that limit my ability
to create orphans, I should be able to do so if I wish -- although I
wouldn't. 

I couldn't delete records on either side was the problem. The documentation
says you couldn't delete records on the nullable table, and I just didn't
think that shouldn't right. The explanation was incomplete. 

Susan H. 

I'm not sure about what is technically possible in this case, but if you
meant your query explicitly then I'd say you hit a feature, not a problem.
Otherwise you'd be orphaning Orders rows.

Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote: I tried yours -- the only
difference seems to be that you specified the non-nullable table. Using the
following statement, I still got an error:

DELETE Customers.*
FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID

I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
issue?

Susan H. 


 Are you specifying which table to delete from

DELETE DISTINCTROW Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...
or
DELETE  Original_Table.* FROM  Original_Table LEFT JOIN ...


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 16 07:59:25 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:59:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Susan: SQL Express
References: <000101c678e7$5c7f4160$bcb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2782340@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Susan
 
Have you any info on XML in Express. Doing some research and figured you migh have done it already.
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
tel: 02890 974477
 
 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 16 14:59:58 2006
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:59:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Susan: SQL Express
In-Reply-To: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2782340@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000101c678e7$5c7f4160$bcb3d6d1@SUSANONE>
	<D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2782340@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <446A2F3E.9070703@shaw.ca>

Are you looking for something like this,  it is a downloadable
addon preview to VB.Net.
Language Integrated Query (LINQ) and its data (DLinq) and XML (XLinq)
libraries transform relational data and XML documents with SQL 2005.

http://www.ftponline.com/vsm/2006_04/magazine/features/rjennings/default.aspx

Martin Reid wrote:

>Susan
> 
>Have you any info on XML in Express. Doing some research and figured you migh have done it already.
> 
>Martin
> 
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
> 
>tel: 02890 974477
> 
> 
>  
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 16 15:13:36 2006
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:13:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Susan: SQL Express
References: <000101c678e7$5c7f4160$bcb3d6d1@SUSANONE><D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE2782340@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<446A2F3E.9070703@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <D0BF9C78D1C45C418541C852C8944FE278234E@qub-xchange-01.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Dind understand much of that but will download and give it a play.
 
Thanks Marty
 
Martin
 
Martin WP Reid
Training and Assessment Unit
Riddle Hall
Belfast
 
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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tue 16/05/2006 20:59
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Susan: SQL Express



Are you looking for something like this,  it is a downloadable
addon preview to VB.Net.
Language Integrated Query (LINQ) and its data (DLinq) and XML (XLinq)
libraries transform relational data and XML documents with SQL 2005.

http://www.ftponline.com/vsm/2006_04/magazine/features/rjennings/default.aspx

Martin Reid wrote:

>Susan
>
>Have you any info on XML in Express. Doing some research and figured you migh have done it already.
>
>Martin
>
>Martin WP Reid
>Training and Assessment Unit
>Riddle Hall
>Belfast
>
>tel: 02890 974477
>
>
> 
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed May 17 06:30:35 2006
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:30:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1147798820.15096.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.5.1147798820.15096.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1147865435.446b095b57bc9@webmail.highstream.net>

Here is what will work:

DELETE
FROM dbo.[threestar-rightangle]
WHERE (InvntryRcncleID
IN (SELECT InvntryRcncleID
    FROM dbo.tblRaInventoryTransactions))

The statement above delete duplicate recorts out of a temp table before an
append of new records.

Robert L. Stewart
The Dyson Group International
Software for the Non-profit Enterprise
Expanding your Sphere of Knowledge


Quoting dba-sqlserver-request at databaseadvisors.com:

> I'm not sure about what is technically possible in this case, but if you
> meant your query explicitly then I'd say you hit a feature, not a problem.
> Otherwise you'd be orphaning Orders rows.
>
> Susan Harkins <harkinsss at bellsouth.net> wrote: I tried yours -- the only
> difference seems to be that you specified the
> non-nullable table. Using the following statement, I still got an error:
>
> DELETE Customers.*
> FROM Customers LEFT JOIN Orders
> ON Customers.CustID = Orders.CustID
>
> I'm using Express -- prehaps the two versions aren't compatiable on this
> issue?
>
> Susan H.
>





From harkinsss at bellsouth.net  Wed May 17 08:31:17 2006
From: harkinsss at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:31:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] another nudge on that DELETE, OUTER JOIN quirk
In-Reply-To: <1147865435.446b095b57bc9@webmail.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <000801c679b6$3b7c04b0$d6b3d6d1@SUSANONE>

Thanks Robert -- this is one of the solutions I can up with. 

Susan H. 

Here is what will work:

DELETE
FROM dbo.[threestar-rightangle]
WHERE (InvntryRcncleID
IN (SELECT InvntryRcncleID
    FROM dbo.tblRaInventoryTransactions))

The statement above delete duplicate recorts out of a temp table before an
append of new records.