From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul  1 13:37:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:37:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
Message-ID: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Guys,

I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL Server
2005:

SELECT * FROM
OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt;
*.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt') 

I get the following error:

OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message
"[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make sure
that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected to the
server on which the file resides.".
Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for
linked server "(null)".

So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 14:08:04 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:08:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707011208i6cd46749g45fd0932e5a76155@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure, JC. But perhaps this might help. It's another approach:
Using the OPENROWSET BULK provider with a format file to retrieve rows from
a text file


Using the OPENROWSET BULK provider with a format file to retrieve rows from
a text file
The following example uses a format file to retrieve rows from a
tab-delimited text file, values.txt that contains the following data:

1     Data Item 1
2     Data Item 2
3     Data Item 3

The format file, values.fmt, describes the columns in values.txt:

9.0
2
1  SQLCHAR  0  10 "\t"        1  ID
SQL_Latin1_General_Cp437_BIN
2  SQLCHAR  0  40 "\r\n"      2  Description
SQL_Latin1_General_Cp437_BIN


This is the query that retrieves that data:

SELECT a.* FROM OPENROWSET( BULK 'c:\test\values.txt',
   FORMATFILE = 'c:\test\values.fmt') AS a;

... which of course demands a format file. I'm not sure what the 9.0 means.
The 2 means column count. The "\t" means tab, I think, and the "\r\n" means
return + newline.
For more info on using format files, see
ms-help://MS.SQLCC.v9/MS.SQLSVR.v9.en/udb9/html/2956df78-
833f-45fa-8a10-41d6522562b9.htm.

hth,
Arthur

On 7/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL Server
> 2005:
>
> SELECT * FROM
> OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt;
> *.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt')
>
> I get the following error:
>
> OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message
> "[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make sure
> that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected to the
> server on which the file resides.".
> Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
> Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for
> linked server "(null)".
>
> So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Jul  1 15:44:58 2007
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:44:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <4688124A.3090003@shaw.ca>

Database Engine Architect InfoCenter

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms175560/(SQL.90/).aspx
then to
About Bulk Import and Bulk Export Operations
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx


SQL Server 2005 Books Online
OPENROWSET (Transact-SQL)
Way at bottom text file import examples

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms190312.aspx

jwcolby wrote:

>Guys,
>
>I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL Server
>2005:
>
>SELECT * FROM
>OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt;
>*.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt') 
>
>I get the following error:
>
>OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message
>"[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make sure
>that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected to the
>server on which the file resides.".
>Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
>Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for
>linked server "(null)".
>
>So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul  1 20:12:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:12:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <4688124A.3090003@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20070702011232.C2EFFBC07@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Marty,

Been there, looked at that, no workee. 

Thanks anyway.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:45 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset

Database Engine Architect InfoCenter

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms175560/(SQL.90/).aspx
then to
About Bulk Import and Bulk Export Operations
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187042.aspx


SQL Server 2005 Books Online
OPENROWSET (Transact-SQL)
Way at bottom text file import examples

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms190312.aspx

jwcolby wrote:

>Guys,
>
>I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL 
>Server
>2005:
>
>SELECT * FROM
>OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt; 
>*.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt')
>
>I get the following error:
>
>OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message 
>"[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make 
>sure that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected 
>to the server on which the file resides.".
>Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
>Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" 
>for linked server "(null)".
>
>So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>  
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul  2 07:59:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:59:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20070702125948.4F905BF56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Folks,

I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.  

Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
"Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
code page.".
 (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
 
Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:06:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:06:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20070702125948.4F905BF56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070702125948.4F905BF56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707020706w3a8cd8d9v2a0440a3229d1487@mail.gmail.com>

Wrap it in single quotes. I think that should do it.

On 7/2/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
> Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
> strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
> message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.
>
> Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
> conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
> "Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
> code page.".
> (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
>
> Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From ebarro at verizon.net  Mon Jul  2 09:23:57 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:23:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20070702125948.4F905BF56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <0JKK00KI72O2T4N8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

John,

I think you asked this question before...

My recommendation is to assign the command to a variable and re-write it
like this...

SET @sql ='BULK INSERT YoueTable FROM ' + CHAR(39) + @DataFileName +
CHAR(39)  

...and then run the command like this...

EXEC (@sql)

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:00 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

Folks,

I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.  

Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
"Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
code page.".
 (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
 
Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Jul  2 09:46:04 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:46:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1183222802.14933.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.3.1183222802.14933.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707021451.l62EpEU0002634@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

I would suggest getting an MSDN subscription, 2800 for 2 years.
It includes all versions of the software.

Since you are using the at "home," there really is not a licensing
issue with them.  Technically, they are for use in a development
environment only.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:45:02 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 64 bit MYSql on 64 bit linux
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,         "'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software
>         issues'"        <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070629204507.1CB9EBF80 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Is anyone using 64 bit database / OS software?  My databases are so large
>that having 2 mb memory constraints are killing me (gut feeling here).  But
>once I start looking at x64 versions of Windows Server and in particular x64
>versions of SQL Server the prices skyrocket.  I will be paying more for the
>licenses for those two things (for EACH processor chip) than I will for the
>entire machine hardware, and it is pretty heavy duty hardware.
>
>Thus I need to at least examine Linux / MySQL assuming that I can get 64 bit
>versions.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul  2 12:25:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:25:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0707011208i6cd46749g45fd0932e5a76155@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070702172517.5E9EABE59@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Thanks for the reply Arthur.  Unfortunately I am working on importing files
where the content is not known to me, thus knowing the format just doesn't
really work long term. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:08 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset

I'm not sure, JC. But perhaps this might help. It's another approach:
Using the OPENROWSET BULK provider with a format file to retrieve rows from
a text file


Using the OPENROWSET BULK provider with a format file to retrieve rows from
a text file The following example uses a format file to retrieve rows from a
tab-delimited text file, values.txt that contains the following data:

1     Data Item 1
2     Data Item 2
3     Data Item 3

The format file, values.fmt, describes the columns in values.txt:

9.0
2
1  SQLCHAR  0  10 "\t"        1  ID
SQL_Latin1_General_Cp437_BIN
2  SQLCHAR  0  40 "\r\n"      2  Description
SQL_Latin1_General_Cp437_BIN


This is the query that retrieves that data:

SELECT a.* FROM OPENROWSET( BULK 'c:\test\values.txt',
   FORMATFILE = 'c:\test\values.fmt') AS a;

... which of course demands a format file. I'm not sure what the 9.0 means.
The 2 means column count. The "\t" means tab, I think, and the "\r\n" means
return + newline.
For more info on using format files, see
ms-help://MS.SQLCC.v9/MS.SQLSVR.v9.en/udb9/html/2956df78-
833f-45fa-8a10-41d6522562b9.htm.

hth,
Arthur

On 7/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL 
> Server
> 2005:
>
> SELECT * FROM
> OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt; 
> *.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt')
>
> I get the following error:
>
> OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message 
> "[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make 
> sure that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are 
> connected to the server on which the file resides.".
> Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
> Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" 
> for linked server "(null)".
>
> So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Jul  2 13:50:12 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:50:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1183395604.20956.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1183395604.20956.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707021851.l62IpCC4031964@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

 From the linked server "null" returned, I would guess
that you did not have a linked server defined for
the file you are looking for.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:37:50 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Guys,
>
>I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL Server
>2005:
>
>SELECT * FROM
>OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt;
>*.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt')
>
>I get the following error:
>
>OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message
>"[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make sure
>that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected to the
>server on which the file resides.".
>Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
>Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for
>linked server "(null)".
>
>So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jul  2 14:02:28 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:02:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20070702125948.4F905BF56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <0JKK00C4VFCJPJL0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

What happens when you remove the extension and period?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:00 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

Folks,

I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.  

Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
"Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
code page.".
 (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
 
Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul  2 14:42:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:42:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <200707021851.l62IpCC4031964@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070702194226.6EDB3BD56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I would take it you are right.  The file is just a (CSV) file.  It is on a
mapped drive.  What is this "linked server" and why do I need one to open a
file?   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:50 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset

John,

 From the linked server "null" returned, I would guess that you did not have
a linked server defined for the file you are looking for.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:37:50 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070701183759.0C4D0BC6C at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Guys,
>
>I am trying to do the following, straight in a query window in SQL 
>Server
>2005:
>
>SELECT * FROM
>OpenRowset('MSDASQL','Driver={Microsoft Text Driver (*.txt; 
>*.csv)};DefaultDir=C:\aTestFTP\;','select * from Infutor1.txt')
>
>I get the following error:
>
>OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" for linked server "(null)" returned message 
>"[Microsoft][ODBC Text Driver] '(unknown)' is not a valid path.  Make 
>sure that the path name is spelled correctly and that you are connected 
>to the server on which the file resides.".
>Msg 7303, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
>Cannot initialize the data source object of OLE DB provider "MSDASQL" 
>for linked server "(null)".
>
>So what did I do wrong this time?  ;-)

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Mon Jul  2 15:10:21 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:10:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <20070702194226.6EDB3BD56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <200707021851.l62IpCC4031964@databaseadvisors.com>
	<20070702194226.6EDB3BD56@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c7bce5$07949860$93b62ad1@SusanOne>

John, a linked server is a permanent connection that's always open if the
database is "open." I just wrote about it for TR. I can send you the article
if you like. 

Susan H. 

I would take it you are right.  The file is just a (CSV) file.  It is on a
mapped drive.  What is this "linked server" and why do I need one to open a
file?   




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul  2 20:20:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:20:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <005f01c7bce5$07949860$93b62ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20070703012052.C0E27BC87@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Sure.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:10 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset

John, a linked server is a permanent connection that's always open if the
database is "open." I just wrote about it for TR. I can send you the article
if you like. 

Susan H. 

I would take it you are right.  The file is just a (CSV) file.  It is on a
mapped drive.  What is this "linked server" and why do I need one to open a
file?   


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul  3 08:03:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:03:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <0JKK00KI72O2T4N8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20070703130322.EAE25BD43@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Eric,

>I think you asked this question before...

No, in fact this is a different situation.  I am trying to load a (CSV, kind
of) text file into a table.  Inside of that text file there is a filespec
column.  THAT COLUMN is being barfed on when SQL Server tries to import it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

John,

I think you asked this question before...

My recommendation is to assign the command to a variable and re-write it
like this...

SET @sql ='BULK INSERT YoueTable FROM ' + CHAR(39) + @DataFileName +
CHAR(39)  

...and then run the command like this...

EXEC (@sql)

Eric

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:00 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

Folks,

I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.  

Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
"Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
code page.".
 (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
 
Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Jul  3 12:19:01 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:19:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1183482003.24180.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1183482003.24180.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707031724.l63HO1Eu001982@databaseadvisors.com>

The openrowset is for linked servers.
Think of it as the same as linking an entire database
at once in Access.

If you go to server object in the object browser, you
will see linked servers.  You can use the text oledb
or (I think odbc drivers to link the text file from
there.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 7/3/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:42:15 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] OpenRowset
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070702194226.6EDB3BD56 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>I would take it you are right.  The file is just a (CSV) file.  It is on a
>mapped drive.  What is this "linked server" and why do I need one to open a
>file?
>
>
>John W. Colby



From nick at frasiervan.com  Tue Jul  3 21:14:02 2007
From: nick at frasiervan.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20070703130322.EAE25BD43@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <0JKK00KI72O2T4N8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20070703130322.EAE25BD43@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c7bde1$0056ac80$6700a8c0@NickLaptop>

If you are using SQL Server 2000 and DTS, you can try attaching an activex
vbscript to handle the "//" which is probably causing the problem as it's a
double escape character.

Check these articles.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa933488(SQL.80).aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa933459(SQL.80).aspx

Inside the wizard it might offer an option to modify the import specs for
certain field mappings in the same way, but I'd need to check against which
version of SQL Server, it's different depending on if you are using EM or
SQL Management Studio.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:03 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

Eric,

>I think you asked this question before...

No, in fact this is a different situation.  I am trying to load a (CSV, kind
of) text file into a table.  Inside of that text file there is a filespec
column.  THAT COLUMN is being barfed on when SQL Server tries to import it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:24 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

John,

I think you asked this question before...

My recommendation is to assign the command to a variable and re-write it
like this...

SET @sql ='BULK INSERT YoueTable FROM ' + CHAR(39) + @DataFileName +
CHAR(39)  

...and then run the command like this...

EXEC (@sql)

Eric

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:00 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] (no subject)

Folks,

I am trying to import (through the wizard) a file path into a field in SQL
Server and am getting the following error.  This is literally one of the
strings:  \\Stonehenge\PSM\Data\infutor\CSVExport\Infutor1.txt . The error
message indicates that SQL Server doesn't like the \ or . character.  

Error 0xc02020a1: Data Flow Task: Data conversion failed. The data
conversion for column "FileSpec" returned status value 4 and status text
"Text was truncated or one or more characters had no match in the target
code page.".
 (SQL Server Import and Export Wizard)
 
Any idea how to make this OK with SQL Server?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Thu Jul  5 22:20:59 2007
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:20:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
In-Reply-To: <008b01c7bde1$0056ac80$6700a8c0@NickLaptop>
Message-ID: <0JKQ00GVTMF08K30@l-daemon>

Hi All:

The following question seems like a simple SQL question but I just can not
find the appropriate answer at this minute... too many long nights.

Given: 

1. A table of many records, with each record having a couple fields called
{section] and [code]. 

2. The content of field [section] has only three possible entries of
"A1","B1" and "C1". The contents of field [code] can be any of a variety of
codes.
   
3. There will always be records for group "A1" and "C1" but not always for
"B1"

What SQL code would find the group where there are no matching "B1" records
and delete all the records in the "C1" group 

An example of data could be;

5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "TTR"
4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "TTR"
30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "TTR"
3 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "CYR"
47 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "CYR"
5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "PIJ"
4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "PIJ"
30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "PIJ"

After the SQL code was run all 47 records with [section] = "C1' and [code] =
"CYR" would be gone.

It does not seem like a difficult process but...

MTIA

Jim



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 07:48:36 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:48:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
In-Reply-To: <0JKQ00GVTMF08K30@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F28C370A1415E0D783C0F80D2010@phx.gbl>

Jim,

Wrote in access...syntax should be similar.  I used a sub query to find ALL 
Codes for Section B1...then deleted all records where section was C1 and 
codes where NOT in my subquery.

Hope it helps,

Mark A. Matte


>From: Jim Lawrence <jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
>Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:20:59 -0700
>
>Hi All:
>
>The following question seems like a simple SQL question but I just can not
>find the appropriate answer at this minute... too many long nights.
>
>Given:
>
>1. A table of many records, with each record having a couple fields called
>{section] and [code].
>
>2. The content of field [section] has only three possible entries of
>"A1","B1" and "C1". The contents of field [code] can be any of a variety of
>codes.
>
>3. There will always be records for group "A1" and "C1" but not always for
>"B1"
>
>What SQL code would find the group where there are no matching "B1" records
>and delete all the records in the "C1" group
>
>An example of data could be;
>
>5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "TTR"
>4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "TTR"
>30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "TTR"
>3 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "CYR"
>47 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "CYR"
>5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "PIJ"
>4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "PIJ"
>30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "PIJ"
>
>After the SQL code was run all 47 records with [section] = "C1' and [code] 
>=
>"CYR" would be gone.
>
>It does not seem like a difficult process but...
>
>MTIA
>
>Jim
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 15:16:18 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:16:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F28C370A1415E0D783C0F80D2010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY127-F338E5120A6C7FA292A89D0D2010@phx.gbl>

Sorry Jim,

Forgot to include SQL...sent to accessD also...Here is the single query 
approach...

**************SQL***************
DELETE tblTest.Section, tblTest.code
FROM tblTest
WHERE (((tblTest.Section)="C1") AND ((tblTest.code) Not In (SELECT 
tblTest1.code
FROM tblTest AS tblTest1
GROUP BY tblTest1.Section, tblTest1.code
HAVING (((tblTest1.Section)="B1"));)));
**************SQL***************

>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:48:36 +0000
>
>Jim,
>
>Wrote in access...syntax should be similar.  I used a sub query to find ALL
>Codes for Section B1...then deleted all records where section was C1 and
>codes where NOT in my subquery.
>
>Hope it helps,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: Jim Lawrence <jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
> >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:20:59 -0700
> >
> >Hi All:
> >
> >The following question seems like a simple SQL question but I just can 
>not
> >find the appropriate answer at this minute... too many long nights.
> >
> >Given:
> >
> >1. A table of many records, with each record having a couple fields 
>called
> >{section] and [code].
> >
> >2. The content of field [section] has only three possible entries of
> >"A1","B1" and "C1". The contents of field [code] can be any of a variety 
>of
> >codes.
> >
> >3. There will always be records for group "A1" and "C1" but not always 
>for
> >"B1"
> >
> >What SQL code would find the group where there are no matching "B1" 
>records
> >and delete all the records in the "C1" group
> >
> >An example of data could be;
> >
> >5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "TTR"
> >4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "TTR"
> >30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "TTR"
> >3 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "CYR"
> >47 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "CYR"
> >5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >
> >After the SQL code was run all 47 records with [section] = "C1' and 
>[code]
> >=
> >"CYR" would be gone.
> >
> >It does not seem like a difficult process but...
> >
> >MTIA
> >
> >Jim
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jul  7 11:09:17 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:09:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F338E5120A6C7FA292A89D0D2010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0JKT00IESGNBV5H0@l-daemon>

Hi Mark:

That looks like the solution. 

Brilliant, Thanks you very much.

Jim 

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
Matte
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:16 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records

Sorry Jim,

Forgot to include SQL...sent to accessD also...Here is the single query 
approach...

**************SQL***************
DELETE tblTest.Section, tblTest.code
FROM tblTest
WHERE (((tblTest.Section)="C1") AND ((tblTest.code) Not In (SELECT 
tblTest1.code
FROM tblTest AS tblTest1
GROUP BY tblTest1.Section, tblTest1.code
HAVING (((tblTest1.Section)="B1"));)));
**************SQL***************

>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:48:36 +0000
>
>Jim,
>
>Wrote in access...syntax should be similar.  I used a sub query to find ALL
>Codes for Section B1...then deleted all records where section was C1 and
>codes where NOT in my subquery.
>
>Hope it helps,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>
>
> >From: Jim Lawrence <jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca>
> >Reply-To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Isolating matching and related records
> >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:20:59 -0700
> >
> >Hi All:
> >
> >The following question seems like a simple SQL question but I just can 
>not
> >find the appropriate answer at this minute... too many long nights.
> >
> >Given:
> >
> >1. A table of many records, with each record having a couple fields 
>called
> >{section] and [code].
> >
> >2. The content of field [section] has only three possible entries of
> >"A1","B1" and "C1". The contents of field [code] can be any of a variety 
>of
> >codes.
> >
> >3. There will always be records for group "A1" and "C1" but not always 
>for
> >"B1"
> >
> >What SQL code would find the group where there are no matching "B1" 
>records
> >and delete all the records in the "C1" group
> >
> >An example of data could be;
> >
> >5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "TTR"
> >4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "TTR"
> >30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "TTR"
> >3 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "CYR"
> >47 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "CYR"
> >5 records of [section] = "A1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >4 records of [section] = "B1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >30 records of [section] = "C1", [code] = "PIJ"
> >
> >After the SQL code was run all 47 records with [section] = "C1' and 
>[code]
> >=
> >"CYR" would be gone.
> >
> >It does not seem like a difficult process but...
> >
> >MTIA
> >
> >Jim
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul  8 17:57:30 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:57:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from a
 table except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-F338E5120A6C7FA292A89D0D2010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0JKV00ITGU7JZSK4@l-daemon>

Hi All:

This is a SQL question. It should be fairly easy but...

How would you delete all records from a table with a field set to a specific
value, all except one matching record?

Given: 
MyTable has 100 records with field MyCode set to either A, B or C. There
just happens, at this time, to be 37 records in the table with field MyCode
set to 'C'. 

Required: 
A SQL statement that when run deletes all matching records with field MyCode
equal to 'C' except for 1 record. (The number of records with field MyCode
set to 'C' varies of course.)

TIA
Jim    



From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Jul  8 18:07:27 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:07:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from a
	table except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <0JKV00ITGU7JZSK4@l-daemon>
References: <BAY127-F338E5120A6C7FA292A89D0D2010@phx.gbl>
	<0JKV00ITGU7JZSK4@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <000601c7c1b4$c1d2a4f0$3532fad1@SusanOne>

How do you determine "which" record doesn't get deleted -- does it even
matter? If not, I'd just temporarily change the MyCode value, run a delete,
and then reset the temp Mycode value. 

Susan H. 

Required: 
A SQL statement that when run deletes all matching records with field MyCode
equal to 'C' except for 1 record. (The number of records with field MyCode
set to 'C' varies of course.)



From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Sun Jul  8 20:14:47 2007
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:14:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from
 atable except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <000601c7c1b4$c1d2a4f0$3532fad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <0JKW0060O0KAP2B1@l-daemon>

Hi Susan:

It may sound funny but I do not care which record is the record left. I was
hoping that another step of adding an 'autoNumber' field was not necessary
but maybe it is...

Jim  

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Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:07 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from
atable except for one copy.

How do you determine "which" record doesn't get deleted -- does it even
matter? If not, I'd just temporarily change the MyCode value, run a delete,
and then reset the temp Mycode value. 

Susan H. 

Required: 
A SQL statement that when run deletes all matching records with field MyCode
equal to 'C' except for 1 record. (The number of records with field MyCode
set to 'C' varies of course.)

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Jul  8 20:32:39 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:32:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from
	atable except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <0JKW0060O0KAP2B1@l-daemon>
References: <000601c7c1b4$c1d2a4f0$3532fad1@SusanOne>
	<0JKW0060O0KAP2B1@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <001501c7c1c9$0e6f7040$93b82ad1@SusanOne>

Why would you need an AutoNumber field? 

Find the records that match MyCode -- grab the top record and change its
MyCode value -- run the first query as a delete, reset  the top record's
MyCode value. 

Or, count the records and grab the count -1 in your delete -- can you do
that? 

Susan H. 

It may sound funny but I do not care which record is the record left. I was
hoping that another step of adding an 'autoNumber' field was not necessary
but maybe it is...




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul  8 21:04:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:04:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type
 fromatable except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c1c9$0e6f7040$93b82ad1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <0JKW006GU2V9X1F4@l-daemon>

Hi Susan:

I am not sure what you mean? I was just noting that the simplest way to
differentiate records is to have a unique field and an autoNumber field
would do... 

How do you build a piece of SQL code that will use the Count aggregate
function to delete records?

Please send an example.

TIA
Jim   

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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Harkins
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:33 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type
fromatable except for one copy.

Why would you need an AutoNumber field? 

Find the records that match MyCode -- grab the top record and change its
MyCode value -- run the first query as a delete, reset  the top record's
MyCode value. 

Or, count the records and grab the count -1 in your delete -- can you do
that? 

Susan H. 

It may sound funny but I do not care which record is the record left. I was
hoping that another step of adding an 'autoNumber' field was not necessary
but maybe it is...


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From ssharkins at setel.com  Sun Jul  8 21:15:15 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:15:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type
	fromatable except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <0JKW006GU2V9X1F4@l-daemon>
References: <001501c7c1c9$0e6f7040$93b82ad1@SusanOne>
	<0JKW006GU2V9X1F4@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <002001c7c1ce$fdc469c0$93b82ad1@SusanOne>

 

How do you build a piece of SQL code that will use the Count aggregate
function to delete records?

=========Not sure you can. That's why I asked. :) I was just thinking -- can
you save the number of matching records to a variable. Also, can you run a
DELETE with TOP? If so, perhaps you could do something like 

countvar = SELECT Count(*) blah, blah, WHERE MyCode = value

DELETE TOP countvar - 1

I don't know if TOP with DELETE is allowed and if you went this route, you'd
need a sp to store countvar. This may be total nonsense in T-SQL. 

Susan H. 




From David at sierranevada.com  Mon Jul  9 12:35:03 2007
From: David at sierranevada.com (David Lewis)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:35:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] deleting an unknown number of duplicates
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1184000402.18376.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3.1184000402.18376.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <FC2717DA07F29A4196BE2A95A50468080262AAF31E@schwarz.sierranevada.corp>



This should get you up and running.  HTH  D. Lewis


/*

Here is an example of the first sql statement that runs to determine how many duplicates there are.  You will need to first build this statement to fit your data.  The table I am working with has a 'somewhat' unique brewnumber (they begin again at 0 each year):

SELECT COUNT(*) AS Amount,
BrewNumber,
StartTimeRest,
StartTimeWhirlEnd
FROM tblRptWhirlpoolAll
GROUP BY BrewNumber,StartTimeRest,Probrewid,STartTimeWhirlEnd
HAVING COUNT(*) > 1
Order by brewnumber, probrewid

Once I have the row count, I subtract 1 from that and delete all the rows.
I build a cursor to loop through because I run this after a batch import each week, and usually there are any number of brews with duplicate records.

*/
-- declare all variables

DECLARE @iErrorVar int,
@iCount int,
@vchBrewid varchar(10),
@vchmalttypeid varchar(2),
@vchsilo varchar(3),
@vchPounds varchar(6),
@chCount char(3),
@nvchCommand nvarchar(4000),
@intCounter int
-- set initial environment
SET @intCounter=0
SET ROWCOUNT 0
SET NOCOUNT ON

--Notice that in declaring the cursor, the data in the select query are all --cast as varchar's.  This is because I later concatenate all these variable --values into one sql string, and t-sql won't concatenate non-characters.

DECLARE DelDupe CURSOR FOR
SELECT COUNT(*) AS Amount,
CONVERT(varchar(10),Brewid),
CONVERT(varchar(2),malttypeid),
CONVERT(varchar(6),pounds),
CONVERT(varchar(3),silo)
FROM tblBrewMalt
GROUP BY Brewid,
malttypeid,pounds,silo
HAVING COUNT(*) > 1


OPEN DelDupe
FETCH NEXT FROM DelDupe INTO @iCount, at vchBrewid,
@vchmalttypeid,
@vchpounds, at vchsilo
WHILE (@@fetch_status = 0)
BEGIN

-- Calculate number of rows to delete for each grouping by subtracting
-- 1 from the total count for a given group.
-- Every iteration through the cursor will generate a delete statement.
-- Often, though, it is deleting '0' rows, because there are no duplicates.
-- It was easier to just have one bit of code than having it branch.
--  Note that the number of rows to delete is set by the "SET ROWCOUNT"


SELECT @iCount = @iCount - 1
SELECT @chCount = CONVERT(char(3), at iCount)
-- now build the rowcount and delete statements.
SELECT @nvchCommand = N'SET ROWCOUNT ' + @chCount +
'DELETE tblBrewMalt ' +
' WHERE Brewid = ' + '''' + @vchBrewid + '''' +
' AND Malttypeid = ' + '''' + @vchmalttypeid + '''' +
' AND pounds = ' + '''' + @vchPounds + '''' +
' AND silo = ' + '''' + @vchsilo + ''''

-- print the statement. For debugging.

PRINT Convert(varchar(5), at intCounter) + ' ' + @nvchCommand
-- execute the statement.
EXEC sp_executesql @nvchCommand
SELECT @intCounter=@intCounter+1
SELECT @iErrorVar = @@Error
IF @iErrorVar <> 0
BEGIN
RETURN
END

FETCH NEXT FROM DelDupe INTO @iCount, at vchBrewid,
@vchmalttypeid,
@vchpounds, at vchsilo


END

CLOSE DelDupe
DEALLOCATE DelDupe

RETURN






From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Mon Jul  9 14:03:08 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:03:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1184000402.18376.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.3.1184000402.18376.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707091908.l69J8ZJT013403@databaseadvisors.com>

What she is saying is change one record to a valuse of D.
Delete all the C's.
change the one record that is D back to C

At 12:00 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:32:39 -0400
>From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at setel.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type
>         from    atable except for one copy.
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001501c7c1c9$0e6f7040$93b82ad1 at SusanOne>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Why would you need an AutoNumber field?
>
>Find the records that match MyCode -- grab the top record and change its
>MyCode value -- run the first query as a delete, reset  the top record's
>MyCode value.
>
>Or, count the records and grab the count -1 in your delete -- can you do
>that?
>
>Susan H.
>
>It may sound funny but I do not care which record is the record left. I was
>hoping that another step of adding an 'autoNumber' field was not necessary
>but maybe it is...



From fkkendrick at cox.net  Mon Jul  9 14:41:46 2007
From: fkkendrick at cox.net (F Kay Kendrick)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:41:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from a
	table except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <0JKV00ITGU7JZSK4@l-daemon>
References: <BAY127-F338E5120A6C7FA292A89D0D2010@phx.gbl>
	<0JKV00ITGU7JZSK4@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <003701c7c261$2f8a7d90$020aa8c0@dragon>

Jim,

You'll want to try this out on a copy of the table, of course, but I believe
it will accomplish what you want to do. I created the @MyCode variable,
thinking perhaps there might be times when you would want to delete all
except one record with MyCode values other than 'C'.

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[sprocDelete_MyCode]
(@MyCode nvarchar(50))
AS Delete FROM MyTable where ID IN(SELECT     ID
FROM         dbo.MyTable
WHERE     (MyCode = @MyCode) AND (NOT (ID IN
                          (SELECT     TOP (1) ID
                            FROM          dbo.MyTable AS t
                            WHERE      (MyCode = @MyCode)))))
Kay


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From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:58 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from a
table except for one copy.

Hi All:

This is a SQL question. It should be fairly easy but...

How would you delete all records from a table with a field set to a specific
value, all except one matching record?

Given: 
MyTable has 100 records with field MyCode set to either A, B or C. There
just happens, at this time, to be 37 records in the table with field MyCode
set to 'C'. 

Required: 
A SQL statement that when run deletes all matching records with field MyCode
equal to 'C' except for 1 record. (The number of records with field MyCode
set to 'C' varies of course.)

TIA
Jim    

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From ssharkins at setel.com  Mon Jul  9 16:52:43 2007
From: ssharkins at setel.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:52:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <200707091908.l69J8ZJT013403@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.3.1184000402.18376.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200707091908.l69J8ZJT013403@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c7c273$7cec7f90$e7b82ad1@SusanOne>

Exactly. ;) 

Susan H. 

What she is saying is change one record to a valuse of D.
Delete all the C's.
change the one record that is D back to C




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Jul  9 18:24:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
Message-ID: <005401c7c280$5949ce00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 


Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more appropriate
here.  

Rocky



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Dear List:
> 
> I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with 
> MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split 
> FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user to 
> select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> 
> What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a rewrite 
> that it would require a separate product?  Or can the current product 
> be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql BE?

MTIA,

Rocky



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 23:15:45 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:15:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Temp Tables
In-Reply-To: <20070630132808.2BC00BC79@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <Ace7Gnua9wthESSJS0ugxgi9xoMcqg==>
	<20070630132808.2BC00BC79@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0707092115q3e56154by8b9845b46a7809b8@mail.gmail.com>

As with all tech questions. It depends


Largely in the quantity that you dump over to the temp table, how much
space is available on disk for the tempdb how fast the i/o is for the
tempdb




On 6/30/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> It just occurred to me that perhaps I need to be working with temp tables
> more.
>
> I have queries against 65 million record tables with WHERE clauses with
> anywhere from 4 to 20 fields.  If I broke my queries against my huge tables
> into base query that pulled a data set into a temp table based on one of
> those fields, and then ran the remainder of my where clause against the
> smaller temp table I think I might get a speed bump.
>
> Any thoughts on that?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>


-- 
-Francisco
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jul 10 01:21:54 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:21:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from
 atable except for one copy.
In-Reply-To: <003701c7c261$2f8a7d90$020aa8c0@dragon>
Message-ID: <0JKY00C7E9G1V730@l-daemon>

Hi F. Kay Kendrick:

Thanks for your help. That looks like it will definitely do the job. I did
solve the problem and your version looks very similar.

Thanks again
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of F Kay
Kendrick
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:42 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from
atable except for one copy.

Jim,

You'll want to try this out on a copy of the table, of course, but I believe
it will accomplish what you want to do. I created the @MyCode variable,
thinking perhaps there might be times when you would want to delete all
except one record with MyCode values other than 'C'.

CREATE PROCEDURE [dbo].[sprocDelete_MyCode]
(@MyCode nvarchar(50))
AS Delete FROM MyTable where ID IN(SELECT     ID
FROM         dbo.MyTable
WHERE     (MyCode = @MyCode) AND (NOT (ID IN
                          (SELECT     TOP (1) ID
                            FROM          dbo.MyTable AS t
                            WHERE      (MyCode = @MyCode)))))
Kay


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:58 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Delete all records of a particular type from a
table except for one copy.

Hi All:

This is a SQL question. It should be fairly easy but...

How would you delete all records from a table with a field set to a specific
value, all except one matching record?

Given: 
MyTable has 100 records with field MyCode set to either A, B or C. There
just happens, at this time, to be 37 records in the table with field MyCode
set to 'C'. 

Required: 
A SQL statement that when run deletes all matching records with field MyCode
equal to 'C' except for 1 record. (The number of records with field MyCode
set to 'C' varies of course.)

TIA
Jim    

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Tue Jul 10 13:34:32 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:34:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Converting to MySql
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1184086802.5842.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.c
 om>
References: <mailman.5.1184086802.5842.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707101840.l6AIe7AT010018@databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky,

The only thing you can do to test it is to do just
that.  Create a MySql database and test your app
linked to it.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 7/10/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:50 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <005401c7c280$5949ce00$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>
>
>Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more appropriate
>here.
>
>Rocky
>
>
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with
> > MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split
> > FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user to
> > select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> >
> > What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a rewrite
> > that it would require a separate product?  Or can the current product
> > be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql BE?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky



From fkkendrick at cox.net  Tue Jul 10 14:15:24 2007
From: fkkendrick at cox.net (F Kay Kendrick)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:15:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
In-Reply-To: <005401c7c280$5949ce00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <005401c7c280$5949ce00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000301c7c326$ab260e40$030aa8c0@dragon>

Rocky, 

>From http://www.kitebird.com/articles/access-migrate.html#TOC_2: 
...if you install the MySQL Connector/ODBC driver (formerly known as
MyODBC), Access can make ODBC connections to MySQL servers over the network.
You can still use the contents of your tables through Access, but the tables
themselves are hosted by the MySQL server.

The MySQL Connector/ODBC driver can be downloaded from
http://www.mysql.com/products/connector/odbc/. There is also a migration
toolkit available from
http://www.mysql.com/products/tools/migration-toolkit/.

HTH,

Kay

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql

 


Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more appropriate
here.  

Rocky



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Dear List:
> 
> I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with 
> MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split 
> FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user to 
> select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> 
> What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a rewrite 
> that it would require a separate product?  Or can the current product 
> be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql BE?

MTIA,

Rocky

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul 10 15:05:29 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:05:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Converting to MySql
In-Reply-To: <200707101840.l6AIe7AT010018@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7c32d$aa794f50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'll give it a whirl.  If forced.  :)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:35 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Converting to MySql

Rocky,

The only thing you can do to test it is to do just that.  Create a MySql
database and test your app linked to it.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 7/10/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:50 -0700
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <005401c7c280$5949ce00$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>
>
>Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more 
>appropriate here.
>
>Rocky
>
>
>
>Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with 
> > MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split 
> > FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user 
> > to select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> >
> > What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a 
> > rewrite that it would require a separate product?  Or can the 
> > current product be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql
BE?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jul 10 15:06:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:06:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c326$ab260e40$030aa8c0@dragon>
Message-ID: <002c01c7c32d$d5f9c8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That looks real helpful.  I think that SQL is overkill for my market
segment, but this is coming from a potential distributor in Singapore who
thinks otherwise.  So if the market is there, I guess I'll dive in.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of F Kay
Kendrick
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:15 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql

Rocky, 

>From http://www.kitebird.com/articles/access-migrate.html#TOC_2: 
...if you install the MySQL Connector/ODBC driver (formerly known as
MyODBC), Access can make ODBC connections to MySQL servers over the network.
You can still use the contents of your tables through Access, but the tables
themselves are hosted by the MySQL server.

The MySQL Connector/ODBC driver can be downloaded from
http://www.mysql.com/products/connector/odbc/. There is also a migration
toolkit available from
http://www.mysql.com/products/tools/migration-toolkit/.

HTH,

Kay

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:25 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql

 


Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more appropriate
here.  

Rocky



Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> Dear List:
> 
> I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with 
> MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split 
> FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user to 
> select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> 
> What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a rewrite 
> that it would require a separate product?  Or can the current product 
> be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql BE?

MTIA,

Rocky

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From askolits at ot.com  Tue Jul 10 22:21:48 2007
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:21:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Newer Common Dialog box
In-Reply-To: <002c01c7c32d$d5f9c8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000201c7c36a$9de15b10$0f01a8c0@officexp>

I've been using comdlg32.ocx for years. 

Now I would like to use the newer one I see when I try to open a file using
something like Word 2002.

Anyone have code for the new common dialog?


John Skolits




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 06:40:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:40:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] A weird Access + SQL puzzle
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707110440y2e9f9490wd483ca115611f98c@mail.gmail.com>

I have been developing an app for a client on my own box, using winXP SP2,
Access 2000 SR1, SQL 2005. On my machine it runs just fine. I did a backup
on my machine and restored that to the client's machine, also running the
identical Access and SQL 2005 (as far as I can tell). The app runs ok, and
from inside Management Studio everything looks identical. But from within
the Access app on the client's machine, all the stored procedure names have
an unexplained suffix of ";1". This is not visible in Management Studio.
This problem does not affect the views, only the stored procedures.
Fortunately, lots of the app uses views and not stored procedures.

I've a lot of Access + SQL Server work and never seen this before. I tried
renaming the procedures from within Access, but no go. I tried
re-establishing the connection. No go.

I have no idea what is going on here.

Anyone?

TIA,
Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 09:19:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:19:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
Message-ID: <20070711141940.0F966BE2C@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I am still locked in to the SQL Server help when inside of visual Studio.
If I hit F1 at any time, anywhere, with anything selected, help opens but it
is SQL Server 2005 help.  I need it to be VB.Net help, at least as the
default.  I cannot for the life of me determine where I can select a
different default help file to open when I press F1.

Does anyone out there have a clue?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 10:01:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:01:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database
Message-ID: <20070711150131.2D5FEBD26@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Is there SQL code to programmatically build a database container in SQL
Server?  If not, is it possible at all, i.e. stored procedure etc, and if
so, what would the code for that look like?  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From ebarro at verizon.net  Wed Jul 11 10:05:04 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:05:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database
In-Reply-To: <20070711150131.2D5FEBD26@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <0JL00078JSKPFCC0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

CREATE DATABASE [dbname] ON (NAME = 'dbname_Data', FILENAME = 'C:\Program
Files\Microsoft SQL Server\MSSQL\data\dbname.MDF', SIZE = 21, FILEGROWTH =
10%) LOG ON (NAME = 'dbname_Log', FILENAME = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\data\dbname_Log.LDF' , SIZE = 1, FILEGROWTH = 10%) 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:01 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database

Is there SQL code to programmatically build a database container in SQL
Server?  If not, is it possible at all, i.e. stored procedure etc, and if
so, what would the code for that look like?  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 10:43:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:43:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database
In-Reply-To: <0JL00078JSKPFCC0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20070711154338.E7B31BEDB@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Cool!  I'll give it a try. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:05 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database

CREATE DATABASE [dbname] ON (NAME = 'dbname_Data', FILENAME = 'C:\Program
Files\Microsoft SQL Server\MSSQL\data\dbname.MDF', SIZE = 21, FILEGROWTH =
10%) LOG ON (NAME = 'dbname_Log', FILENAME = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\data\dbname_Log.LDF' , SIZE = 1, FILEGROWTH = 10%) 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:01 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database

Is there SQL code to programmatically build a database container in SQL
Server?  If not, is it possible at all, i.e. stored procedure etc, and if
so, what would the code for that look like?  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 10:51:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA4BA319@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20070711155131.9F8C9BE74@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Yes, but if you hit F1 then it opens a help file of some sort.  I can say
whether it is going to use the local help or the internet help first etc.
As for books online, well... I only know that term in terms of SQL Server.

1) Go into code.  
2) Select some something, keyword, whatever.  
3) Hit F1. 

What do you see?

I see a help window.  On the top blue bar it says "Microsoft Visual Studio
2005 Documentation".  That is a good sign.  

However on the left hand side there is a Pane (or PAIN depending on your
point of view), which has a "filter by" combo.  The ONLY CHOICES (for me)
are:

SQL Server 2005
SQL Server Analysis Service
SQL Server...
SQL Server...
SQL Server...
Etc etc.

I am locked in to filtering on SQL Server help.  I DON'T WANT SQL SERVER
HELP, I WANT VB HELP.

Actually I want to be able to select VB, C#, Java, SQL Server and whatever
else is appropriate in the context I am using.  I am flying Visual Studio
blind, unless all I am interested in is SQL Server help in which case I am
ducky.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:14 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Visual studio help

By SQL Server Help, do you mean BOL, John?  I don't find the F1 especially
usefull in VS 2005 except as a way to open the help window.
I usually wind up doing a search once the help window has come up because it
never seems to locate what I'm looking for otherwise.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-VB] Visual studio help

I am still locked in to the SQL Server help when inside of visual Studio.
If I hit F1 at any time, anywhere, with anything selected, help opens but it
is SQL Server 2005 help.  I need it to be VB.Net help, at least as the
default.  I cannot for the life of me determine where I can select a
different default help file to open when I press F1.

Does anyone out there have a clue?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Jul 11 10:59:57 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:59:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5197.1184169090.5399.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisor s.com>
References: <mailman.5197.1184169090.5399.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707111605.l6BG50a6018086@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

The help files for Visual Studio are not installed automatically.
You have to run the install on the MSDN disk(s) that came with it
to get help of any kind.

Robert


At 10:51 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] Visual studio help
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>,  "'Access Developers discussion and
>         problem solving'"       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070711155131.9F8C9BE74 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Yes, but if you hit F1 then it opens a help file of some sort.  I can say
>whether it is going to use the local help or the internet help first etc.
>As for books online, well... I only know that term in terms of SQL Server.
>
>1) Go into code.
>2) Select some something, keyword, whatever.
>3) Hit F1.
>
>What do you see?
>
>I see a help window.  On the top blue bar it says "Microsoft Visual Studio
>2005 Documentation".  That is a good sign.
>
>However on the left hand side there is a Pane (or PAIN depending on your
>point of view), which has a "filter by" combo.  The ONLY CHOICES (for me)
>are:
>
>SQL Server 2005
>SQL Server Analysis Service
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>Etc etc.
>
>I am locked in to filtering on SQL Server help.  I DON'T WANT SQL SERVER
>HELP, I WANT VB HELP.
>
>Actually I want to be able to select VB, C#, Java, SQL Server and whatever
>else is appropriate in the context I am using.  I am flying Visual Studio
>blind, unless all I am interested in is SQL Server help in which case I am
>ducky.
>
>John W. Colby



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 11:05:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:05:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database
In-Reply-To: <0JL00078JSKPFCC0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20070711160547.58469BD72@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Worked great.  I discovered that it can only create databases on the machine
that is running the server instance used to execute the command, and the
path has to already exist.  After discovering these two things it works
GREAT.  

Thanks!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:05 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database

CREATE DATABASE [dbname] ON (NAME = 'dbname_Data', FILENAME = 'C:\Program
Files\Microsoft SQL Server\MSSQL\data\dbname.MDF', SIZE = 21, FILEGROWTH =
10%) LOG ON (NAME = 'dbname_Log', FILENAME = 'C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL
Server\MSSQL\data\dbname_Log.LDF' , SIZE = 1, FILEGROWTH = 10%) 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:01 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Build a database

Is there SQL code to programmatically build a database container in SQL
Server?  If not, is it possible at all, i.e. stored procedure etc, and if
so, what would the code for that look like?  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 11:15:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:15:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <200707111605.l6BG50a6018086@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070711161553.0FA69BCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

LOL, OF COURSE, who could possibly need help with visual Studio?

Silly me!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:00 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help

John,

The help files for Visual Studio are not installed automatically.
You have to run the install on the MSDN disk(s) that came with it to get
help of any kind.

Robert


At 10:51 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] Visual studio help
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>,  "'Access Developers discussion and
>         problem solving'"       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070711155131.9F8C9BE74 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Yes, but if you hit F1 then it opens a help file of some sort.  I can 
>say whether it is going to use the local help or the internet help first
etc.
>As for books online, well... I only know that term in terms of SQL Server.
>
>1) Go into code.
>2) Select some something, keyword, whatever.
>3) Hit F1.
>
>What do you see?
>
>I see a help window.  On the top blue bar it says "Microsoft Visual 
>Studio
>2005 Documentation".  That is a good sign.
>
>However on the left hand side there is a Pane (or PAIN depending on 
>your point of view), which has a "filter by" combo.  The ONLY CHOICES 
>(for me)
>are:
>
>SQL Server 2005
>SQL Server Analysis Service
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>Etc etc.
>
>I am locked in to filtering on SQL Server help.  I DON'T WANT SQL 
>SERVER HELP, I WANT VB HELP.
>
>Actually I want to be able to select VB, C#, Java, SQL Server and 
>whatever else is appropriate in the context I am using.  I am flying 
>Visual Studio blind, unless all I am interested in is SQL Server help 
>in which case I am ducky.
>
>John W. Colby

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From ridermark at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 11:20:21 2007
From: ridermark at gmail.com (Mark Rider)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <20070711161553.0FA69BCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <200707111605.l6BG50a6018086@databaseadvisors.com>
	<20070711161553.0FA69BCD9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <a74f31780707110920n5863ab1ep7e647f19196c7bd2@mail.gmail.com>

You might try reinstalling  MSDN  again and see if that helps.

-- 
Mark Rider
http://dfwmdug.org

Don't anthropomorphize computers.
They don't like it.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 11:29:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:29:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <200707111605.l6BG50a6018086@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070711162907.4016CBE1D@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Robert,

Yep, a reinstall of MSDN fixed the problem.  Thanks for the heads up 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:00 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help

John,

The help files for Visual Studio are not installed automatically.
You have to run the install on the MSDN disk(s) that came with it to get
help of any kind.

Robert


At 10:51 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] Visual studio help
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>,  "'Access Developers discussion and
>         problem solving'"       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070711155131.9F8C9BE74 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Yes, but if you hit F1 then it opens a help file of some sort.  I can 
>say whether it is going to use the local help or the internet help first
etc.
>As for books online, well... I only know that term in terms of SQL Server.
>
>1) Go into code.
>2) Select some something, keyword, whatever.
>3) Hit F1.
>
>What do you see?
>
>I see a help window.  On the top blue bar it says "Microsoft Visual 
>Studio
>2005 Documentation".  That is a good sign.
>
>However on the left hand side there is a Pane (or PAIN depending on 
>your point of view), which has a "filter by" combo.  The ONLY CHOICES 
>(for me)
>are:
>
>SQL Server 2005
>SQL Server Analysis Service
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>SQL Server...
>Etc etc.
>
>I am locked in to filtering on SQL Server help.  I DON'T WANT SQL 
>SERVER HELP, I WANT VB HELP.
>
>Actually I want to be able to select VB, C#, Java, SQL Server and 
>whatever else is appropriate in the context I am using.  I am flying 
>Visual Studio blind, unless all I am interested in is SQL Server help 
>in which case I am ducky.
>
>John W. Colby

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Jul 11 14:01:02 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:01:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1184173209.3991.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.c
 om>
References: <mailman.5.1184173209.3991.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707111904.l6BJ4eFM008484@databaseadvisors.com>

Great

At 12:00 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:29:03 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Visual studio help
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>,       "'Access Developers
>         discussion and problem 
> solving'"        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070711162907.4016CBE1D at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert,
>
>Yep, a reinstall of MSDN fixed the problem.  Thanks for the heads up



From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 18:37:31 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:37:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] A weird Access + SQL puzzle
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0707110440y2e9f9490wd483ca115611f98c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0707110440y2e9f9490wd483ca115611f98c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c8826480707111637t65b2a7f9s47fe9230fac1348c@mail.gmail.com>

were the stored procedure created with 1; suffix on it?

i think i've read about it somewhere where you can created two stored
procedures with the same name but different parameters as long as an integer
suffix is attached to it (but i've never had the need to implement it).

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/En-US/library/aa258259(SQL.80).aspx


On 7/11/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been developing an app for a client on my own box, using winXP SP2,
> Access 2000 SR1, SQL 2005. On my machine it runs just fine. I did a backup
> on my machine and restored that to the client's machine, also running the
> identical Access and SQL 2005 (as far as I can tell). The app runs ok, and
> from inside Management Studio everything looks identical. But from within
> the Access app on the client's machine, all the stored procedure names
> have
> an unexplained suffix of ";1". This is not visible in Management Studio.
> This problem does not affect the views, only the stored procedures.
> Fortunately, lots of the app uses views and not stored procedures.
>
> I've a lot of Access + SQL Server work and never seen this before. I tried
> renaming the procedures from within Access, but no go. I tried
> re-establishing the connection. No go.
>
> I have no idea what is going on here.
>
> Anyone?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


-- 
Billy Pang
http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
"Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
Italian proverb


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 19:16:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:16:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
In-Reply-To: <002c01c7c32d$d5f9c8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000301c7c326$ab260e40$030aa8c0@dragon>
	<002c01c7c32d$d5f9c8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707111716h4ea77c6fl3b1a4dfc6c2cdf86@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth, anyone interested in MySQL is invited to visit my
co-authored e-book at www.artfulsoftware.com.

Arthur


On 7/10/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> That looks real helpful.  I think that SQL is overkill for my market
> segment, but this is coming from a potential distributor in Singapore who
> thinks otherwise.  So if the market is there, I guess I'll dive in.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of F Kay
> Kendrick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:15 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
>
> Rocky,
>
> >From http://www.kitebird.com/articles/access-migrate.html#TOC_2:
> ...if you install the MySQL Connector/ODBC driver (formerly known as
> MyODBC), Access can make ODBC connections to MySQL servers over the
> network.
> You can still use the contents of your tables through Access, but the
> tables
> themselves are hosted by the MySQL server.
>
> The MySQL Connector/ODBC driver can be downloaded from
> http://www.mysql.com/products/connector/odbc/. There is also a migration
> toolkit available from
> http://www.mysql.com/products/tools/migration-toolkit/.
>
> HTH,
>
> Kay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:25 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] FW: [AccessD] Converting to MySql
>
>
>
>
> Copied from the AccessD list.  I think this question is more appropriate
> here.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a request to make my manufacturing package compatible with
> > MySql.  I use some bound forms, and a lot of DAO.  The app is split
> > FE/BE with linked tables pointing to the BE.  I also allow the user to
> > select the BE they want so they can run multiple BEs if desired.
> >
> > What would be involved in doing this?  Would it be enough of a rewrite
> > that it would require a separate product?  Or can the current product
> > be made 'switchable' between an Access BE and a MySql BE?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 19:21:20 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:21:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] A weird Access + SQL puzzle
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480707111637t65b2a7f9s47fe9230fac1348c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0707110440y2e9f9490wd483ca115611f98c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c8826480707111637t65b2a7f9s47fe9230fac1348c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707111721m7617b6d5x5a8b961f885a0a70@mail.gmail.com>

Good leads, Billy, but in this case I believe, off the mark. I re-restored
the database and then ran it from A2K and A2K3 and guess what? It turns out
for some odd reason to be A2K-specific. A2K3 has no issue, and therefore
ultimately neither do I. The only reason I devolved in this case was I
dislike the native colour scheme in A2K3 -- tabls coloured white -- bloddy
L. Ghostly and ghastly. There must be some way out of here, said the coder
to the thief.

A.


On 7/11/07, Billy Pang <tuxedoman888 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> were the stored procedure created with 1; suffix on it?
>
> i think i've read about it somewhere where you can created two stored
> procedures with the same name but different parameters as long as an
> integer
> suffix is attached to it (but i've never had the need to implement it).
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/En-US/library/aa258259(SQL.80).aspx
>
>
> On 7/11/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been developing an app for a client on my own box, using winXP
> SP2,
> > Access 2000 SR1, SQL 2005. On my machine it runs just fine. I did a
> backup
> > on my machine and restored that to the client's machine, also running
> the
> > identical Access and SQL 2005 (as far as I can tell). The app runs ok,
> and
> > from inside Management Studio everything looks identical. But from
> within
> > the Access app on the client's machine, all the stored procedure names
> > have
> > an unexplained suffix of ";1". This is not visible in Management Studio.
> > This problem does not affect the views, only the stored procedures.
> > Fortunately, lots of the app uses views and not stored procedures.
> >
> > I've a lot of Access + SQL Server work and never seen this before. I
> tried
> > renaming the procedures from within Access, but no go. I tried
> > re-establishing the connection. No go.
> >
> > I have no idea what is going on here.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Billy Pang
> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
> Italian proverb
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 11 22:03:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
Message-ID: <20070712030347.0B7E8BDA9@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Is anyone out there running Windows 2003 X64?  If so would you care to
comment on what was involved in getting it to happen, drivers, getting the
software etc.

Same question for SQl Server 2005 X64.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Jul 12 12:34:05 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:34:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] A weird Access + SQL puzzle
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1184259603.16887.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1184259603.16887.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707121737.l6CHbdcA028173@databaseadvisors.com>

Change the schema on your machine to Windows standard.
You are seeing the XP schema.

At 12:00 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:21:20 -0400
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] A weird Access + SQL puzzle
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID:
>         <29f585dd0707111721m7617b6d5x5a8b961f885a0a70 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Good leads, Billy, but in this case I believe, off the mark. I re-restored
>the database and then ran it from A2K and A2K3 and guess what? It turns out
>for some odd reason to be A2K-specific. A2K3 has no issue, and therefore
>ultimately neither do I. The only reason I devolved in this case was I
>dislike the native colour scheme in A2K3 -- tabls coloured white -- bloddy
>L. Ghostly and ghastly. There must be some way out of here, said the coder
>to the thief.
>
>A.



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Jul 12 12:36:54 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:36:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1184259603.16887.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1184259603.16887.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707121742.l6CHggOW030049@databaseadvisors.com>

We just upgraded from Win x32, SQL 2000 x32
to Win 2003 x64 and SQL 2005 x64.

Nothing special was involved. We are using a Dell
dual/dual core processor machine with 8gb of ram.

Since it is the primary SQL server, no other
software is running on it.

At 12:00 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:42 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,         "'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software
>         issues'"        <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>, <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070712030347.0B7E8BDA9 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Is anyone out there running Windows 2003 X64?  If so would you care to
>comment on what was involved in getting it to happen, drivers, getting the
>software etc.
>
>Same question for SQl Server 2005 X64.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 12 13:36:22 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
In-Reply-To: <200707121742.l6CHggOW030049@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070712183623.419D1BFB2@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Robert,

Have you done any timing testing for large data sets?  
Any "gut feelings" for speed differences?  
Did you have to purchase a different version of SQL Server or does the 64
bit come with the 32 bit and "just start working"?  
Or did you get brand new machines with preinstalled software?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:37 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64

We just upgraded from Win x32, SQL 2000 x32 to Win 2003 x64 and SQL 2005
x64.

Nothing special was involved. We are using a Dell dual/dual core processor
machine with 8gb of ram.

Since it is the primary SQL server, no other software is running on it.

At 12:00 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:42 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>,         "'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software
>         issues'"        <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>,
>         <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>, 
><dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070712030347.0B7E8BDA9 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Is anyone out there running Windows 2003 X64?  If so would you care to 
>comment on what was involved in getting it to happen, drivers, getting 
>the software etc.
>
>Same question for SQl Server 2005 X64.
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com

_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Fri Jul 13 12:17:45 2007
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:17:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1184346004.24580.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors. com>
References: <mailman.5.1184346004.24580.dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200707131721.l6DHLtPI031526@databaseadvisors.com>

John,

See answers below...

Old server was
Dual PIII 1 ghz, 4 GIG ram

At 12:00 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:22 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070712183623.419D1BFB2 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert,
>
>Have you done any timing testing for large data sets?

Our largest query is against a current and archive table of Logins.
It has over 32 million records in a union query. on the new server,
it took about 1/10 the time.

>Any "gut feelings" for speed differences?

The first comment was that the Access app that was running
against it was so fast the users might complain. (smile)
I would say overall, about 4 times faster.

>
>Did you have to purchase a different version of SQL Server or does the 64
>bit come with the 32 bit and "just start working"?

You have to have both x64 Windows and x64 SQL.
They are separate, not just the x32.  Although,
you can install x32 SQL on a x64 OS.

>
>Or did you get brand new machines with preinstalled software?

We got the software ourselves because we could get it cheaper.


>John W. Colby



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Jul 13 16:51:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:51:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
In-Reply-To: <200707131721.l6DHLtPI031526@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070713215149.8B44DBD49@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Robert,

So it is really tough to say how much comes from 64 bit software and how
much from new hardware.  Moving from a PIII 1 GHz 4 gig ram to a modern dual
core, probably close to 4 or 5 GHz equivalent, plus 8 gig memory, it might
ALL be from the better hardware.

I am going to have to try myself though.  I am waiting (impatiently) for AMD
to release their "true quad core" processor to try to get a feel for how it
competes with the currently available quad core from Intel.  Once I can get
that sense I will be making a purchase decision on a new server to run x64
bit OS and SQL Server.  I am running queries on 50 million record tables
with anywhere from 2 to 20 or more fields in where clauses, joined to
similar sized tables doing wheres on (typically) a zip field.  The result
sets are then often counted, and sometimes address data is pulled into
result sets for export.  My query run times are just horrendous.  I can't
help but feel that if I could run x64 and 32 GByte of ram vs. x32 and 4 GB
ram (current config) that the difference would be worth the expense.  I
simply cannot do that though without the x64 OS / SQL Server.  

To some extent I am going to be in the same boat re hardware vs. software
speed increase though.  I can possibly run Windows Server x64 on my current
hardware, but that hardware is a dual core AMD limited to 8 gb of RAM.  So
while even that (moving to 8 gb) would no doubt make a difference it would
probably not be enough difference to be worth doing all by itself,
especially given the cost of the software.  OTOH if I could go to a dual
processor quad core with 32 GB (or even 64 gb), THAT should open things up
for me.  

And interestingly, the cost of the hardware to do that is reasonable, at
least "build it yourself".  I can build a system for about $4500 for a dual
processor quad core Intel with 32 gb of RAM (no disks / raid controller -
which I already have) and around $7000 with 64 gb of ram.  Of course that is
WITHOUT the X64 OS and SQL Server.

Do you know how much you paid for the X64 software?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:18 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64

John,

See answers below...

Old server was
Dual PIII 1 ghz, 4 GIG ram

At 12:00 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:22 -0400
>From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
>To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <20070712183623.419D1BFB2 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert,
>
>Have you done any timing testing for large data sets?

Our largest query is against a current and archive table of Logins.
It has over 32 million records in a union query. on the new server, it took
about 1/10 the time.

>Any "gut feelings" for speed differences?

The first comment was that the Access app that was running against it was so
fast the users might complain. (smile) I would say overall, about 4 times
faster.

>
>Did you have to purchase a different version of SQL Server or does the 
>64 bit come with the 32 bit and "just start working"?

You have to have both x64 Windows and x64 SQL.
They are separate, not just the x32.  Although, you can install x32 SQL on a
x64 OS.

>
>Or did you get brand new machines with preinstalled software?

We got the software ourselves because we could get it cheaper.


>John W. Colby

_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 08:02:20 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:02:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
In-Reply-To: <20070713215149.8B44DBD49@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <200707131721.l6DHLtPI031526@databaseadvisors.com>
	<20070713215149.8B44DBD49@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0707140602l5ddbf3b3v52090dabdf76732d@mail.gmail.com>

John,

I think that the biggest performance increased you will find will be
from the hardware.  Although some is related to the 64
Bit environment, such as the ability to address the upper memory above
3gb without having to go through /pae.  In our situation we have hp
servers on opterons.  We're on sap now so we get triplicate servers
for all environments, such as dev/test/prod. In the prod and test
environment things just zip along (and they should) we have 4 cpus
(dual core) and the system is plugged into our high performance san.
The dev boxes have only 2 (dual core) and local disk high performance
raid 5 with dedicated buses for the tlogs.  The result our test and
prod servers scream performance while our dev server struggles to keep
up.







On 7/13/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> So it is really tough to say how much comes from 64 bit software and how
> much from new hardware.  Moving from a PIII 1 GHz 4 gig ram to a modern dual
> core, probably close to 4 or 5 GHz equivalent, plus 8 gig memory, it might
> ALL be from the better hardware.
>
> I am going to have to try myself though.  I am waiting (impatiently) for AMD
> to release their "true quad core" processor to try to get a feel for how it
> competes with the currently available quad core from Intel.  Once I can get
> that sense I will be making a purchase decision on a new server to run x64
> bit OS and SQL Server.  I am running queries on 50 million record tables
> with anywhere from 2 to 20 or more fields in where clauses, joined to
> similar sized tables doing wheres on (typically) a zip field.  The result
> sets are then often counted, and sometimes address data is pulled into
> result sets for export.  My query run times are just horrendous.  I can't
> help but feel that if I could run x64 and 32 GByte of ram vs. x32 and 4 GB
> ram (current config) that the difference would be worth the expense.  I
> simply cannot do that though without the x64 OS / SQL Server.
>
> To some extent I am going to be in the same boat re hardware vs. software
> speed increase though.  I can possibly run Windows Server x64 on my current
> hardware, but that hardware is a dual core AMD limited to 8 gb of RAM.  So
> while even that (moving to 8 gb) would no doubt make a difference it would
> probably not be enough difference to be worth doing all by itself,
> especially given the cost of the software.  OTOH if I could go to a dual
> processor quad core with 32 GB (or even 64 gb), THAT should open things up
> for me.
>
> And interestingly, the cost of the hardware to do that is reasonable, at
> least "build it yourself".  I can build a system for about $4500 for a dual
> processor quad core Intel with 32 gb of RAM (no disks / raid controller -
> which I already have) and around $7000 with 64 gb of ram.  Of course that is
> WITHOUT the X64 OS and SQL Server.
>
> Do you know how much you paid for the X64 software?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:18 PM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
>
> John,
>
> See answers below...
>
> Old server was
> Dual PIII 1 ghz, 4 GIG ram
>
> At 12:00 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote:
> >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:22 -0400
> >From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows 2003 x64; SQL Server 2005 X64
> >To: <dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Message-ID: <20070712183623.419D1BFB2 at smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >Robert,
> >
> >Have you done any timing testing for large data sets?
>
> Our largest query is against a current and archive table of Logins.
> It has over 32 million records in a union query. on the new server, it took
> about 1/10 the time.
>
> >Any "gut feelings" for speed differences?
>
> The first comment was that the Access app that was running against it was so
> fast the users might complain. (smile) I would say overall, about 4 times
> faster.
>
> >
> >Did you have to purchase a different version of SQL Server or does the
> >64 bit come with the 32 bit and "just start working"?
>
> You have to have both x64 Windows and x64 SQL.
> They are separate, not just the x32.  Although, you can install x32 SQL on a
> x64 OS.
>
> >
> >Or did you get brand new machines with preinstalled software?
>
> We got the software ourselves because we could get it cheaper.
>
>
> >John W. Colby
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 12:02:55 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:02:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Renaming the database / files
Message-ID: <20070719170257.DD00CBD21@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I want to rename a database, both at the file level and at the name level
(what SQL Server sees it as).  I am afraid to just rename the files
themselves lest there be some something somewhere that causes it to fail to
reattach.

How is this done "the right way"?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 12:32:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:32:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Renaming the database / files
In-Reply-To: <20070719170257.DD00CBD21@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <20070719173226.64410BF6B@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Never mind.  I tried just renaming the files and reattaching them which
(once I "found them" with file find) worked just fine.  It set it up in the
database tree as the old name.  I then just renamed the file and voila.

Sorry for the ring.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:03 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Renaming the database / files

I want to rename a database, both at the file level and at the name level
(what SQL Server sees it as).  I am afraid to just rename the files
themselves lest there be some something somewhere that causes it to fail to
reattach.

How is this done "the right way"?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 14:15:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:15:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases
Message-ID: <20070719191556.95C2BBCCB@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I have a situation where I import tens of millions of records of raw data
(as I call it) into SQL Server.  I turn right around and send the name /
address out for processing and when I get that back I import that back into
SQL Server in a separate table.  Is there any advantage to bringing that
second table (addresses) back in to the same database that I have the raw
data in?

The way I use the data is that I add a PK long autoincrement to the raw data
table and export that with the name / address.  Thus when the data comes
back in from address processing each record coming back has a PKID that
matches a record in the raw data table.  When I build queries I often do a
join on PKID between raw and address and then select fields from both.  

It appears to me that having them in separate database files is actually an
advantage in many ways.  For one, the data in the raw data file can be
archived once and never touched again as far as backup is concerned.  The
data in that table never changes.  Also it seems that I might be able to
place the two files (raw and address) on separate machines and get some
parallelism going in processing where clauses etc.  It may in fact be
exactly the opposite and I would NOT want to set the two databases on
separate machines though, I am certainly no expert on anything SQL Server
related.

Any thoughts on the pros and cons here?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From ebarro at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 14:52:30 2007
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:52:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases
In-Reply-To: <20070719191556.95C2BBCCB@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <0JLF006L4Z70KLDA@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

If you set up the database to be on two different machines or instances of
SQL server you will need to use linked servers and will need to reference
objects in this manner...

Server.database.dbo.object

You won't be able to use nolock hints when you use linked servers. If you
use separate databases on the same SQL server instance then you can
reference objects in this manner...

Database.dbo.object

You will be able to use nolock hints in your queries, sprocs, udfs, etc...


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:16 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases

I have a situation where I import tens of millions of records of raw data
(as I call it) into SQL Server.  I turn right around and send the name /
address out for processing and when I get that back I import that back into
SQL Server in a separate table.  Is there any advantage to bringing that
second table (addresses) back in to the same database that I have the raw
data in?

The way I use the data is that I add a PK long autoincrement to the raw data
table and export that with the name / address.  Thus when the data comes
back in from address processing each record coming back has a PKID that
matches a record in the raw data table.  When I build queries I often do a
join on PKID between raw and address and then select fields from both.  

It appears to me that having them in separate database files is actually an
advantage in many ways.  For one, the data in the raw data file can be
archived once and never touched again as far as backup is concerned.  The
data in that table never changes.  Also it seems that I might be able to
place the two files (raw and address) on separate machines and get some
parallelism going in processing where clauses etc.  It may in fact be
exactly the opposite and I would NOT want to set the two databases on
separate machines though, I am certainly no expert on anything SQL Server
related.

Any thoughts on the pros and cons here?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

_______________________________________________
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dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 19 15:00:07 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:00:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases
In-Reply-To: <0JLF006L4Z70KLDA@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20070719200009.7EDAEBF78@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

OK.  Thanks for that.  Now, do I get any processing power from the remote
server if the two tables are on separate machines?  I often run queries on
my laptop.  I build a database (if none exists) into which I build views
(just for ease of use and storage of the SQL).  I currently have all of the
databases on a single machine but I have considered trying to place various
databases on different servers simply to see if I could get each server to
perform some part of the processing of the query.  Distribution of
processing load. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:53 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases

If you set up the database to be on two different machines or instances of
SQL server you will need to use linked servers and will need to reference
objects in this manner...

Server.database.dbo.object

You won't be able to use nolock hints when you use linked servers. If you
use separate databases on the same SQL server instance then you can
reference objects in this manner...

Database.dbo.object

You will be able to use nolock hints in your queries, sprocs, udfs, etc...


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:16 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Advantages to separate databases

I have a situation where I import tens of millions of records of raw data
(as I call it) into SQL Server.  I turn right around and send the name /
address out for processing and when I get that back I import that back into
SQL Server in a separate table.  Is there any advantage to bringing that
second table (addresses) back in to the same database that I have the raw
data in?

The way I use the data is that I add a PK long autoincrement to the raw data
table and export that with the name / address.  Thus when the data comes
back in from address processing each record coming back has a PKID that
matches a record in the raw data table.  When I build queries I often do a
join on PKID between raw and address and then select fields from both.  

It appears to me that having them in separate database files is actually an
advantage in many ways.  For one, the data in the raw data file can be
archived once and never touched again as far as backup is concerned.  The
data in that table never changes.  Also it seems that I might be able to
place the two files (raw and address) on separate machines and get some
parallelism going in processing where clauses etc.  It may in fact be
exactly the opposite and I would NOT want to set the two databases on
separate machines though, I am certainly no expert on anything SQL Server
related.

Any thoughts on the pros and cons here?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Jul 20 10:01:37 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:01:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Request for new DBA List to discuss specific
	subjects
Message-ID: <00fe01c7cade$e0dae1e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

If anyone has a request for a new DBA list to discuss a specific subject
please email me directly.

Also, please leave this subject line in tact so I can sort these messages
into a new email folder.

Thanks,

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 24 11:10:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:10:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] How I'm approaching the problem
In-Reply-To: <001101c7cd63$a3ae3d30$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <20070724161047.DA2F0BC81@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

One issue I am running into is that I really want to be able to log the
start / stop PKID of each record imported.  I use an autoincrement in SQL
Server, but I do not know how to get at the last PKID in these values "live"
as the SQLBulkInsert runs.  Is it possible to pull the value of a field back
out of the SQLBulkInsert object?  Do I have to execute a sql statement to
"get" the value of the PKID of the last record before the import and the
last record after the import?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:57 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] How I'm approaching the problem

<<<
I am doing tables of 50 to 100 million records so the total process can
still run 60 to 90 minutes but it was taking 2 days.
>>>
Yes, that's speedy!

Do you use any special hardware?

Here are some results of using SQLDMO.BulkCopy under C#/VB.NET:

SQLDMO.BulkCopy
================

BCP export - 141 seconds 1,216,138 reported rows

BCP Import - 174 seconds 1,256,819 reported rows

Extrapolating to 100 million records:

BCP Export: 141*100,000,000/1,216,138 = 11594,17 seconds = 3.22 hours ~=
3h10m

BCP Import: 173*1000,000,000/1,256,819 = 12844,48 seconds = 3,85 hours ~=
3h50min

Well performance will probably degrade and total time will be higher...

These results are not that quick as on your system for SQLBulkCopy but this
my test PC is "pretty simple" for these days Dual Core Pentium 3GHz and 2GB
RAM and simple 7400 rpm harddisk....


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:38 PM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] How I'm approaching the problem

Shamil,

I am likewise using SQLBulkCopy to import data from CSV files using a third
party library to handle the conversion of the file to a stream and vv.  I am
quite impressed.  Using my hand written code for doing something similar I
was getting between around 1k records / second loading "row by row" whereas
using SQLBulkCopy and this third party lib I am getting about 16K records /
second = about 60 seconds for 1 million records.  That is quite usable.

I am doing tables of 50 to 100 million records so the total process can
still run 60 to 90 minutes but it was taking 2 days.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 24 12:35:56 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:35:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] The command object exception
Message-ID: <20070724173606.D7354BCD1@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

I am trying to execute queries that build databases, build tables etc.  When
I executed the ExecuteNonQuery method with a query that built a database and
the database already exists, I got an error returned of -2147217900.  When I
tried to execute a sql statement with a general error I got the same error
returned.  How do I get meaningful error codes back from ExecuteNonQuery?

        Try
            mobjCmd.ExecuteNonQuery()
        Catch ex As OleDbException
            Select Case ex.ErrorCode
                Case -2147217900    'database already exists so ignore the
error
                Case Else
                    MessageBox.Show(ex.Message)
                    Return -3
            End Select
        End Try

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 12:23:32 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:23:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [dba-VB] How I'm approaching the problem
In-Reply-To: <20070724161047.DA2F0BC81@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <001101c7cd63$a3ae3d30$6401a8c0@nant>
	<20070724161047.DA2F0BC81@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707251023hb9f9d4emf36c646da322b2b2@mail.gmail.com>

My computer is a bit wonky currently, not to mention my memory, but I think
that you need to investigate SET IDENTITY INSERT on/off in BOL. It's
something like your theory about the zero'th row. You can force identity
keys in using this. If my exact syntax was wrong, I apologize, but I'm
currently rebuilding this box so only certain things work at the moment.
Hopefully, this will lead you toward a solution.

A.

On 7/24/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> One issue I am running into is that I really want to be able to log the
> start / stop PKID of each record imported.  I use an autoincrement in SQL
> Server, but I do not know how to get at the last PKID in these values
> "live"
> as the SQLBulkInsert runs.  Is it possible to pull the value of a field
> back
> out of the SQLBulkInsert object?  Do I have to execute a sql statement to
> "get" the value of the PKID of the last record before the import and the
> last record after the import?
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Jul 26 10:09:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:09:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Temp db
Message-ID: <20070726150944.5BB49BBF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Under what condition is a tempdb created?  How can I predict the size?

I am looking at using a hardware ram disk to store the tempdb but I don't
want to get into this only to find out that the tempdb is larger than the
available ram disk (4 or possibly 8 gbytes max).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From tuxedoman888 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 11:22:27 2007
From: tuxedoman888 at gmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:22:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Temp db
In-Reply-To: <20070726150944.5BB49BBF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070726150944.5BB49BBF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <7c8826480707260922h6d4f023dw37bc7294f556412b@mail.gmail.com>

tempdb is created when sql server service starts (old one is dropped)
tempdb is copied from the model db

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sql/2005/workingwithtempdb.mspx


On 7/26/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Under what condition is a tempdb created?  How can I predict the size?
>
> I am looking at using a hardware ram disk to store the tempdb but I don't
> want to get into this only to find out that the tempdb is larger than the
> available ram disk (4 or possibly 8 gbytes max).
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


-- 
Billy Pang
http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
"Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
Italian proverb


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 22:18:38 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:18:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Temp db
In-Reply-To: <7c8826480707260922h6d4f023dw37bc7294f556412b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070726150944.5BB49BBF5@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
	<7c8826480707260922h6d4f023dw37bc7294f556412b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0707262018p792846d4v2f2d759ed6bcf049@mail.gmail.com>

Quite right, Billy. I meant to say a temp table. Sorry for any confusion
there.

On 7/26/07, Billy Pang <tuxedoman888 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> tempdb is created when sql server service starts (old one is dropped)
> tempdb is copied from the model db
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sql/2005/workingwithtempdb.mspx
>
>
> On 7/26/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > Under what condition is a tempdb created?  How can I predict the size?
> >
> > I am looking at using a hardware ram disk to store the tempdb but I
> don't
> > want to get into this only to find out that the tempdb is larger than
> the
> > available ram disk (4 or possibly 8 gbytes max).
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Billy Pang
> http://dbnotes.blogspot.com/
> "Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." -
> Italian proverb
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 29 00:46:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:46:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Accessing SQL Server over the internet
Message-ID: <20070729054701.DCF13BDDF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Is it possible to connect to a SQL Server database over a HAMACHI VPN
connection?  If so how?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 29 00:53:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:53:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown
Message-ID: <20070729055333.7F146BD63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

It appears that once SQL Server is accessed from another computer, it hangs
windows attempting to shut down.  IOW the server shuts down just fine until
I access SQL Server - look at data, try to design a table etc.  After that
point Windows 2003 simply refuses to shut down / restart.  Often it will
completely clear the screen, explorer itself will shut down (and not reopen)
but the server simply will not reboot and a hard reboot (push the power
button is the only way to get it to reboot.  Furthermore, while it is in
this state, you can get back in to SQL Server from another machine which
again indicates that SQL Server services are refusing to shut down.

Any thoughts or suggestions on how to force the shutdown / reboot?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 01:33:14 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:33:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown
In-Reply-To: <20070729055333.7F146BD63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070729055333.7F146BD63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <46AC34AA.1070905@tenbus.co.uk>

Hi John!

This is WAY outside of my field of experience! But I wonder if the SQL 
Server is stopping the OS shutting down if it thinks someone (your other 
computer) is still connected. Maybe your other machine needs to 
positivly disconnect - a bit like the recordset=none (or whatever) we 
use in Access.

Just a total WAG John!

Regards
Chris Foote

 jwcolby wrote:
> It appears that once SQL Server is accessed from another computer, it hangs
> windows attempting to shut down.  IOW the server shuts down just fine until
> I access SQL Server - look at data, try to design a table etc.  After that
> point Windows 2003 simply refuses to shut down / restart.  Often it will
> completely clear the screen, explorer itself will shut down (and not reopen)
> but the server simply will not reboot and a hard reboot (push the power
> button is the only way to get it to reboot.  Furthermore, while it is in
> this state, you can get back in to SQL Server from another machine which
> again indicates that SQL Server services are refusing to shut down.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on how to force the shutdown / reboot?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
>   




From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 01:45:45 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:45:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown
In-Reply-To: <46AC34AA.1070905@tenbus.co.uk>
References: <20070729055333.7F146BD63@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
	<46AC34AA.1070905@tenbus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46AC3799.7060100@tenbus.co.uk>

Sorry - I did not express that very well!

What I was trying to suggest is that (probably correctly for a server) 
the OS will not shut down if the SQL Server is still running and 
(possibly) serving data.

I think you need to stop the SQL Server before you shut down the OS. I'm 
not a server guy, and it is Sunday morning in England but that's what 
I'd look at in your situation.

Regards!
Chris Foote

Webadmin - Tenbus wrote:
> Hi John!
>
> This is WAY outside of my field of experience! But I wonder if the SQL 
> Server is stopping the OS shutting down if it thinks someone (your other 
> computer) is still connected. Maybe your other machine needs to 
> positivly disconnect - a bit like the recordset=none (or whatever) we 
> use in Access.
>
> Just a total WAG John!
>
> Regards
> Chris Foote
>
>  jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> It appears that once SQL Server is accessed from another computer, it hangs
>> windows attempting to shut down.  IOW the server shuts down just fine until
>> I access SQL Server - look at data, try to design a table etc.  After that
>> point Windows 2003 simply refuses to shut down / restart.  Often it will
>> completely clear the screen, explorer itself will shut down (and not reopen)
>> but the server simply will not reboot and a hard reboot (push the power
>> button is the only way to get it to reboot.  Furthermore, while it is in
>> this state, you can get back in to SQL Server from another machine which
>> again indicates that SQL Server services are refusing to shut down.
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on how to force the shutdown / reboot?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 29 02:23:55 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:23:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Accessing SQL Server over the internet
In-Reply-To: <20070729054701.DCF13BDDF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <0JLX00KSBJ0FVNC2@l-daemon>

Hi John:

An interesting question; I am working on a similar project since June but
have been delayed due to immediate projects. 

The simplest way would be to create a share on the remote site to the SQL
DB, install Hamachi on the remote computer and then you could link from the
local SQL server, through the EM to the remote DB. Or connect to the remote
DB through a connection string could look like: 

"Provider=SQLOLEDB;
Initial Catalog=Registration;
Data Source=\\5.24.64.128\MsDB;
Integrated Security=SSPI".

Do this all the time for remote backup but have not had a chance to test all
the variations for MS SQL.

HTH
Jim    

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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:47 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Accessing SQL Server over the internet

Is it possible to connect to a SQL Server database over a HAMACHI VPN
connection?  If so how?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 09:40:19 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:40:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Accessing SQL Server over the internet
In-Reply-To: <20070729054701.DCF13BDDF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
References: <20070729054701.DCF13BDDF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0707290740k4059eb4eo59cd39425f000ab9@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

On 7/28/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to connect to a SQL Server database over a HAMACHI VPN
> connection?  If so how?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 09:40:50 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:40:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Accessing SQL Server over the internet
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0707290740k4059eb4eo59cd39425f000ab9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070729054701.DCF13BDDF@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
	<b874372a0707290740k4059eb4eo59cd39425f000ab9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0707290740n650d8415u3d14d17811722648@mail.gmail.com>

by using tcp/ip connectivity, check your ip and connection string.

On 7/29/07, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> On 7/28/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to connect to a SQL Server database over a HAMACHI VPN
> > connection?  If so how?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -Francisco
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...




-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Jul 29 21:51:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:51:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown
In-Reply-To: <46AC3799.7060100@tenbus.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070730025132.54690BD27@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Well, you win the WAG award!  I found something somewhere that says to
prevent hanging, shut down all application services before shutting down the
server. I will give that a try and see what happens.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Webadmin -
Tenbus
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown

Sorry - I did not express that very well!

What I was trying to suggest is that (probably correctly for a server) the
OS will not shut down if the SQL Server is still running and
(possibly) serving data.

I think you need to stop the SQL Server before you shut down the OS. I'm not
a server guy, and it is Sunday morning in England but that's what I'd look
at in your situation.

Regards!
Chris Foote

Webadmin - Tenbus wrote:
> Hi John!
>
> This is WAY outside of my field of experience! But I wonder if the SQL 
> Server is stopping the OS shutting down if it thinks someone (your 
> other
> computer) is still connected. Maybe your other machine needs to 
> positivly disconnect - a bit like the recordset=none (or whatever) we 
> use in Access.
>
> Just a total WAG John!
>
> Regards
> Chris Foote
>
>  jwcolby wrote:
>   
>> It appears that once SQL Server is accessed from another computer, it 
>> hangs windows attempting to shut down.  IOW the server shuts down 
>> just fine until I access SQL Server - look at data, try to design a 
>> table etc.  After that point Windows 2003 simply refuses to shut down 
>> / restart.  Often it will completely clear the screen, explorer 
>> itself will shut down (and not reopen) but the server simply will not 
>> reboot and a hard reboot (push the power button is the only way to 
>> get it to reboot.  Furthermore, while it is in this state, you can 
>> get back in to SQL Server from another machine which again indicates that
SQL Server services are refusing to shut down.
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on how to force the shutdown / reboot?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Jul 30 00:46:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:46:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown
In-Reply-To: <20070730025132.54690BD27@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>
Message-ID: <20070730054657.735DCBC71@smtp-auth.no-ip.com>

Well I have discovered that shutting down two SQL Server services before
shutdown appears to prevent the hang at reboot so there ya are.  I built a
cmd batch file to do the service shutdown and then a reboot and all appears
to be well.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:51 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown

Well, you win the WAG award!  I found something somewhere that says to
prevent hanging, shut down all application services before shutting down the
server. I will give that a try and see what happens.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Webadmin -
Tenbus
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:46 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows shutdown

Sorry - I did not express that very well!

What I was trying to suggest is that (probably correctly for a server) the
OS will not shut down if the SQL Server is still running and
(possibly) serving data.

I think you need to stop the SQL Server before you shut down the OS. I'm not
a server guy, and it is Sunday morning in England but that's what I'd look
at in your situation.

Regards!
Chris Foote