From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Dec 30 08:59:57 2010
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:59:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Server Upgrade - UPDATE - Dec 30 @
	0955
Message-ID: <AANLkTina-rurFWQdjMv5Lx04F6mga_ANjuXg3JSj5Eem@mail.gmail.com>

Good Morning folks,

I hope you didn't suffer too many withdrawals from not having your
favourite lists yesterday and this morning.

The Server upgrade was a challenge to say the least. A Royal PITA to
say it closer to what it really was.

There are still lots of things to work out, like putting the archives
back online. Have no fear, your words of wisdom are being archived
(for those lists that have archiving turned on), but the archives
aren't available yet.

The main goal was to get the lists back up and running, which it
appears they are.

If you encounter any abnormalities, please let me know ASAP so I can
look into it.

Things will slowly become normal again over the remainder of the week.

Thanks for your patience. during the upgrade.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 30 11:26:54 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:26:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>

Dear List:

A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.

He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.  

This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.

I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
Skype: rocky.smolin
www.e-z-mrp.com
www.bchacc.com
 
 


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 12:26:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:26:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
versions?  I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003
(equivalent to Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL
Server versions are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
> Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
> upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 30 12:46:10 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:46:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>

Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.  He
may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use

Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server versions?
I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent to
Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server 
> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small 
> Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll 
> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
_______________________________________________
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dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 30 13:09:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:09:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
	<E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>

AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per seat license.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.  He
> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>
> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server versions?
> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent to
> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>> Business
>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>
>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>
>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>
>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 13:16:53 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:16:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>
	<4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJSSNASR+yMCQpU2FC3pu=gBJWb-BkJT6gJLEs@mail.gmail.com>

I have a client who is running SBS 2003 along with SQL Server Express 2005.
So I guess the full SS is optional.

FWIW, the SS Express was installed for a Microsoft Outlook addon called
Business Contact Manager.  The database is about 2gigs and supports around
10 users with no problems.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per
> seat license.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.
>>  He
>> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
>> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>> Steele
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>>
>> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
>> versions?
>> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent
>> to
>> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
>> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Dear List:
>>>
>>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>>> Business
>>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>>
>>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>>
>>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>>
>>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>>
>>> MTIA
>>>
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>> www.bchacc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 30 13:31:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:31:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJSSNASR+yMCQpU2FC3pu=gBJWb-BkJT6gJLEs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
	<E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>	<0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>	<4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AANLkTimJSSNASR+yMCQpU2FC3pu=gBJWb-BkJT6gJLEs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D1CDE2F.4080003@colbyconsulting.com>

I have never actually run SBS, my comment is just from something I read somewhere.

I think that SBS *can* provide various roles which you select as you install SBS.  Thus as you 
indicate if you do not select SQL Server as you install, you do not get it.

The other thing that I seem to remember is that SBS is x32 only, i.e. there is no X64 version.  This 
is a pretty extreme limitation if it is true.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/30/2010 2:16 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I have a client who is running SBS 2003 along with SQL Server Express 2005.
> So I guess the full SS is optional.
>
> FWIW, the SS Express was installed for a Microsoft Outlook addon called
> Business Contact Manager.  The database is about 2gigs and supports around
> 10 users with no problems.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per
>> seat license.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.
>>>   He
>>> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
>>> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Steele
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>>>
>>> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
>>> versions?
>>> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent
>>> to
>>> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
>>> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear List:
>>>>
>>>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>>>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>>>> Business
>>>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>>>
>>>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>>>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>>>
>>>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> MTIA
>>>>
>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>> www.bchacc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 05:33:01 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:33:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BCTyozguHdHdr=DOCmFA6z0toNRw91aR54sSs@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky,

There are only rare occasions that you really need the paid for version of
SQL Server.

I would be 99.99% sure you can use the free version.

One thing that the free version is missing is the some of the administration
tools for schedule jobs and other things.  However, the wonderful world of
opensource provides those tools FOC also.

I can think of no reason to use the paid for version at all.  Even when you
have very large db's there are plenty of options to still use the free
version.

Use Express and spend the money saved on handbags and Italian shoes for
ladies.  It will bring you much more happiness than spending it on SQL
Server.

Happy new year to you and your family

Mark




On 30 December 2010 17:26, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
> Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
> upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec 31 10:06:26 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:06:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BCTyozguHdHdr=DOCmFA6z0toNRw91aR54sSs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTi=BCTyozguHdHdr=DOCmFA6z0toNRw91aR54sSs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ADF297DF43D4EF8BCECED9B8A29E953@HAL9005>

Thanks for the reply Mark.  Best to you and the fam for the coming year.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:33 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use

Hi Rocky,

There are only rare occasions that you really need the paid for version of
SQL Server.

I would be 99.99% sure you can use the free version.

One thing that the free version is missing is the some of the administration
tools for schedule jobs and other things.  However, the wonderful world of
opensource provides those tools FOC also.

I can think of no reason to use the paid for version at all.  Even when you
have very large db's there are plenty of options to still use the free
version.

Use Express and spend the money saved on handbags and Italian shoes for
ladies.  It will bring you much more happiness than spending it on SQL
Server.

Happy new year to you and your family

Mark




On 30 December 2010 17:26, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server 
> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small 
> Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll 
> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 31 20:56:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:56:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Happy new year
Message-ID: <4D1E97C6.3060000@colbyconsulting.com>

To all our members around the world, may the new year be a good one.

I am about to go down stairs and watch a movie with my wife, and ring in the new year with a glass 
of sparkling cider.  If you party, do so with restraint.  This is a particularly dangerous night to 
be out on the roads.

Happy new year.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec  1 07:16:09 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:16:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Why is my view not editable?
Message-ID: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>

I create a view of parent / child, joined on FK etc.  Filter to one specific parent using the 
parent's PKID.  I then try to edit a field in the child and it doesn't do anything, IOW it is locked 
for some reason.  I thought that simple views like this are supposed to be editable.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 07:26:48 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:26:48 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Why is my view not editable?
In-Reply-To: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfr0tgd+w5mrtxFQnF-sRUihzf+nRZuY3_0yr6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

Non-updatable recordsets are a PITA at times.

there are various tricks you can do to overcome it, but one that I found
useful is to use a nested select instead of join, eg

Select *
>From childtable
Where ParentId in
(select ParentId from Parent where FieldToFilterBy = @FieldToFilterBy)

this in effect, gives you a single table returned.  If you need data from
the parent, you may be able to use a different recordset for that other
data.

thanks

Mark


On 1 December 2010 13:16, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I create a view of parent / child, joined on FK etc.  Filter to one
> specific parent using the
> parent's PKID.  I then try to edit a field in the child and it doesn't do
> anything, IOW it is locked
> for some reason.  I thought that simple views like this are supposed to be
> editable.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  2 08:00:25 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:00:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Why is my view not editable?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfr0tgd+w5mrtxFQnF-sRUihzf+nRZuY3_0yr6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<AANLkTinfr0tgd+w5mrtxFQnF-sRUihzf+nRZuY3_0yr6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF7A679.7050104@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks, I will try that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/2/2010 8:26 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> Non-updatable recordsets are a PITA at times.
>
> there are various tricks you can do to overcome it, but one that I found
> useful is to use a nested select instead of join, eg
>
> Select *
>> From childtable
> Where ParentId in
> (select ParentId from Parent where FieldToFilterBy = @FieldToFilterBy)
>
> this in effect, gives you a single table returned.  If you need data from
> the parent, you may be able to use a different recordset for that other
> data.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 1 December 2010 13:16, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> I create a view of parent / child, joined on FK etc.  Filter to one
>> specific parent using the
>> parent's PKID.  I then try to edit a field in the child and it doesn't do
>> anything, IOW it is locked
>> for some reason.  I thought that simple views like this are supposed to be
>> editable.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  3 02:27:49 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:27:49 +1100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Why is my view not editable?
In-Reply-To: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4CF8AA05.9451.199ED30D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Have you included the PK of the child record in the view.  Without it, it will definietly be non-
updateable.

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Dec 2010 at 8:16, jwcolby wrote:

> I create a view of parent / child, joined on FK etc.  Filter to one
> specific parent using the parent's PKID.  I then try to edit a field
> in the child and it doesn't do anything, IOW it is locked for some
> reason.  I thought that simple views like this are supposed to be
> editable.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  3 05:09:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 06:09:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Why is my view not editable?
In-Reply-To: <4CF8AA05.9451.199ED30D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4CF64A99.4070602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4CF8AA05.9451.199ED30D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4CF8CFDB.1060004@colbyconsulting.com>

I do have both PKs in there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/3/2010 3:27 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Have you included the PK of the child record in the view.  Without it, it will definietly be non-
> updateable.
>


From jnatola at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:07:56 2010
From: jnatola at hotmail.com (Jean-Paul natola)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:07:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
Message-ID: <SNT128-W334C5780B7751E762293CFBC2F0@phx.gbl>


Hi all,
 
A many many  months back i added the SearchAllTablesAllColumns sproc to my sql server  and it worked well,
 
I have created a new server and tried to create that same sproc, but now when i try run it i get 
 
Msg 2812, Level 16, State 62, Line 1
Could not find stored procedure 'SearchAllTablesAllColumns'.
 
 
 
one other thing is that when I save it I DONT see the sproc in sql,  i see it in the "my projects" folder.
 
I really need to get this working as i'm running into some issues with our GP migration, and the ability to search all tables/columns is crucial.
 
 
TIA
 
JP 		 	   		  

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:39:45 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:39:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
In-Reply-To: <SNT128-W334C5780B7751E762293CFBC2F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT128-W334C5780B7751E762293CFBC2F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <-6662613864045441176@unknownmsgid>

Be sure you execute the create Sproc procedure on the target database

Sent from my mobile

On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jean-Paul natola <jnatola at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> A many many  months back i added the SearchAllTablesAllColumns sproc to my sql server  and it worked well,
>
> I have created a new server and tried to create that same sproc, but now when i try run it i get
>
> Msg 2812, Level 16, State 62, Line 1
> Could not find stored procedure 'SearchAllTablesAllColumns'.
>
>
>
> one other thing is that when I save it I DONT see the sproc in sql,  i see it in the "my projects" folder.
>
> I really need to get this working as i'm running into some issues with our GP migration, and the ability to search all tables/columns is crucial.
>
>
> TIA
>
> JP
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jnatola at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 14:12:15 2010
From: jnatola at hotmail.com (Jean-Paul natola)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:12:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
In-Reply-To: <-6662613864045441176@unknownmsgid>
References: <SNT128-W334C5780B7751E762293CFBC2F0@phx.gbl>,
	<-6662613864045441176@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <SNT128-W49BA8A09EA17D375D9985FBC2F0@phx.gbl>


That was it / kind of, 
 
now i'm getting this
 
Msg 102, Level 15, State 1, Procedure SearchAllTablesAllColumns, Line 40
Incorrect syntax near '@TableName'.
 
this is line 40
 
QUOTENAME(C.Table_name) + '.' + QUOTENAME(COLUMN_NAME) @TableName + '.' + @ColumnName )
 
 
 
Jean-Paul Natola
 



 
> From: fhtapia at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:39:45 -0800
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
> 
> Be sure you execute the create Sproc procedure on the target database
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jean-Paul natola <jnatola at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A many many months back i added the SearchAllTablesAllColumns sproc to my sql server and it worked well,
> >
> > I have created a new server and tried to create that same sproc, but now when i try run it i get
> >
> > Msg 2812, Level 16, State 62, Line 1
> > Could not find stored procedure 'SearchAllTablesAllColumns'.
> >
> >
> >
> > one other thing is that when I save it I DONT see the sproc in sql, i see it in the "my projects" folder.
> >
> > I really need to get this working as i'm running into some issues with our GP migration, and the ability to search all tables/columns is crucial.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > JP
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
 		 	   		  

From jnatola at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 14:14:00 2010
From: jnatola at hotmail.com (Jean-Paul natola)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:14:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
In-Reply-To: <SNT128-W49BA8A09EA17D375D9985FBC2F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT128-W334C5780B7751E762293CFBC2F0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<-6662613864045441176@unknownmsgid>,
	<SNT128-W49BA8A09EA17D375D9985FBC2F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT128-W650DC7B52AA03BC4FDCCA7BC2F0@phx.gbl>


found it , was missing the > symbol
 
 
thanks AGAIN!!!!!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jean-Paul Natola
 



 
> From: jnatola at hotmail.com
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:12:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
> 
> 
> That was it / kind of, 
> 
> now i'm getting this
> 
> Msg 102, Level 15, State 1, Procedure SearchAllTablesAllColumns, Line 40
> Incorrect syntax near '@TableName'.
> 
> this is line 40
> 
> QUOTENAME(C.Table_name) + '.' + QUOTENAME(COLUMN_NAME) @TableName + '.' + @ColumnName )
> 
> 
> 
> Jean-Paul Natola
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: fhtapia at gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:39:45 -0800
> > To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SPROC not working
> > 
> > Be sure you execute the create Sproc procedure on the target database
> > 
> > Sent from my mobile
> > 
> > On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jean-Paul natola <jnatola at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > A many many months back i added the SearchAllTablesAllColumns sproc to my sql server and it worked well,
> > >
> > > I have created a new server and tried to create that same sproc, but now when i try run it i get
> > >
> > > Msg 2812, Level 16, State 62, Line 1
> > > Could not find stored procedure 'SearchAllTablesAllColumns'.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > one other thing is that when I save it I DONT see the sproc in sql, i see it in the "my projects" folder.
> > >
> > > I really need to get this working as i'm running into some issues with our GP migration, and the ability to search all tables/columns is crucial.
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > JP
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
 		 	   		  

From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 09:54:55 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:54:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Cross Posted: Medical Practice software
Message-ID: <4d0a365b.4800e70a.730f.062f@mx.google.com>

Has anyone here ever worked with a product called Lytec?  I need to pick
someone's brain if they have, I am having issues at a newer client's site.

TIA

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 



From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 21:14:37 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:14:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Cross Posted: Medical Practice software
Message-ID: <4d0ad5a8.4800e70a.730f.18c3@mx.google.com>

Has anyone here ever worked with a product called Lytec?  I need to pick
someone's brain if they have, I am having issues at a newer client's site.

Here is a little more information:

I am working with an orthopedic physical therapist who is using Lytec 2007
to 'run' his business.  This product controls his scheduling, billing, and
basically everything.  We have talked about writing a custom app for him,
but he does not know if he is ready to take that big of a step yet.  We just
discovered that former IT people have spent WAY too much of his money on
unnecessary equipment.

We have purchased two new PCs, but his current version of Lytec (Lytec 2007)
does not work on anything after Windows XP partly because Windows 7 and SQL
2003 do not talk.  The upgrade for Lytec is about $3000, something that
needs to be done every year.

I have been trying to get Lytec 2007 to work with Windows 7 but to no avail.

Any suggestions on a less expensive option for my client would be greatly
appreciated.  I am open to almost any suggestion at this point.


TIA  

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 16 22:36:25 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:36:25 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] Cross Posted: Medical Practice
	software
In-Reply-To: <4d0ad5a8.4800e70a.730f.18c3@mx.google.com>
References: <4d0ad5a8.4800e70a.730f.18c3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D960EE929EB04636B60AF3C10B21934E@HAL9005>

Is it a one man band?  Or several docs?  How many users on his network?

$3k a year to keep the license current on WXP is a user abusive  policy.
There's lots of practice management software out there:

http://www.capterra.com/medical-practice-management-software

Give us more details.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:15 PM
To: AccessD; Dba-SQL; dba-OT
Subject: [AccessD] Cross Posted: Medical Practice software

Has anyone here ever worked with a product called Lytec?  I need to pick
someone's brain if they have, I am having issues at a newer client's site.

Here is a little more information:

I am working with an orthopedic physical therapist who is using Lytec 2007
to 'run' his business.  This product controls his scheduling, billing, and
basically everything.  We have talked about writing a custom app for him,
but he does not know if he is ready to take that big of a step yet.  We just
discovered that former IT people have spent WAY too much of his money on
unnecessary equipment.

We have purchased two new PCs, but his current version of Lytec (Lytec 2007)
does not work on anything after Windows XP partly because Windows 7 and SQL
2003 do not talk.  The upgrade for Lytec is about $3000, something that
needs to be done every year.

I have been trying to get Lytec 2007 to work with Windows 7 but to no avail.

Any suggestions on a less expensive option for my client would be greatly
appreciated.  I am open to almost any suggestion at this point.


TIA  

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 18 13:31:39 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:31:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] And the beat goes on...
Message-ID: <4D0D0C1B.8030907@colbyconsulting.com>



http://thessdreview.com/latest-buzz/sandforce-firmware-update-confirmed-great-news-for-new-ssd-buyers/
-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sun Dec 19 13:08:22 2010
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:08:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Server Upgrade - Dec 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHpTp2DpC6QBRCTZ_TYhsK15FArNk2wEEpU1T7@mail.gmail.com>

Good day everyone. I hope your Christmas preparations are going well.

During the last few months the mail server has been having some
problems. So over the Christmas holiday the mail server that all your
favourite lists run on will be undergoing a complete upgrade right
from the OS to the mail server to the mailing list software.

This will mean that there will be some outages of the lists. This
outage will most likely happen on Wednesday Dec 29, 2010 starting
around 8am ET (1pm GMT). I will send out a notice approx. 30 minutes
prior to the server going down. As well, once everything is back up
and running, I will send out another notice.

If you have any concerns, please let me know. I can be reached at
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com.

Thanks,
Your humble list master
Bryan

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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 20 10:15:00 2010
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:15:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]  GeoCode with local MapPoint
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHpTp2DpC6QBRCTZ_TYhsK15FArNk2wEEpU1T7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikHpTp2DpC6QBRCTZ_TYhsK15FArNk2wEEpU1T7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W428C45A3B199AA9A8F76F2D2190@phx.gbl>



Hello All,
 
Anyone have any advise on Using SQL 05 and  a local install of MapPoint 2010 to geocode addresses?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
FYI...I tried searching our archives and got the following:
htdig Archives Access Failure
The requested list cannot be accessed. accessd:dba-sqlserver 
If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. 
If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at databaseadvisors.com:     http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.asp
    /mailman/mmsearch/accessd 		 	   		  

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Dec 20 12:11:50 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:11:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Multiple instances of SQl Server express
Message-ID: <4D0F9C66.6000300@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client using Access BEs which I would like to move to SQL Server Express.  The biggest 
issue in my mind is near term expansion.  One reason we need to move is simply that we have already 
split the BEs a couple of times to keep the size reasonable.  We have a BE at 850 MB, 750MB and 500 
MB.  These are just too big for Access IMHO.

OTOH merging them all back into a single SQL Server express BE would result in a pretty large 
database (by Express standards), although it appears that they did increase the SSE 2008 limitation 
to 10 gigs.

Is anyone using SS Express to try to run a small business - under 50 employees, ~25 users in the db 
most of the day?  Any insights, gotchas, words of wisdom?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 21 09:07:17 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:07:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
Message-ID: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to understand the CAL requirements of Microsoft's Windows 2008 Server and SQL Server 
2008.  The way I understand it, you buy CALs for each simultaneous connection. Server software gets 
rather expensive once you buy the software itself and then 30 or more CALs for the OS as well as for 
SQL Server.

Do any of you spend time worrying about how to minimize the effect of the database on CAL 
utilization?  For example do linked tables count differently than ado disconnected recordsets? 
Linked tables are connected from the time the person opens access to the time they close it as 
opposed to disconnected recordsets where a connection is made just long enough to get the data. 
Would the user be legally "connected" even though the application used disconnected recordsets?

Any thoughts on how all this applies to CAL requirements.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Dec 21 09:11:02 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:11:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
In-Reply-To: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954706AEC6DD@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

John

It was my understanding that CALs are per user not per connection. We use processor licences instead. You need one per processor.

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 21 December 2010 15:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software

I am trying to understand the CAL requirements of Microsoft's Windows 2008 Server and SQL Server 2008.  The way I understand it, you buy CALs for each simultaneous connection. Server software gets rather expensive once you buy the software itself and then 30 or more CALs for the OS as well as for SQL Server.

Do any of you spend time worrying about how to minimize the effect of the database on CAL utilization?  For example do linked tables count differently than ado disconnected recordsets? 
Linked tables are connected from the time the person opens access to the time they close it as opposed to disconnected recordsets where a connection is made just long enough to get the data. 
Would the user be legally "connected" even though the application used disconnected recordsets?

Any thoughts on how all this applies to CAL requirements.

--
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
_______________________________________________
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 10:36:02 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:36:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954706AEC6DD@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954706AEC6DD@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3aTeFwHYg_CenmjeS6hJdqtfAZ8RbTep0YuVv@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

I am really curious what feature of MS SQL Server you need that would force
you to have to use the pay editions.  I know that there are lots of
features, but to date, I usually find that Express version works fine.
 There are plenty of utilities available to assist with administration
functions including backs etc.

thanks

Mark



On 21 December 2010 15:11, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> John
>
> It was my understanding that CALs are per user not per connection. We use
> processor licences instead. You need one per processor.
>
> Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 21 December 2010 15:07
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
>
> I am trying to understand the CAL requirements of Microsoft's Windows 2008
> Server and SQL Server 2008.  The way I understand it, you buy CALs for each
> simultaneous connection. Server software gets rather expensive once you buy
> the software itself and then 30 or more CALs for the OS as well as for SQL
> Server.
>
> Do any of you spend time worrying about how to minimize the effect of the
> database on CAL utilization?  For example do linked tables count differently
> than ado disconnected recordsets?
> Linked tables are connected from the time the person opens access to the
> time they close it as opposed to disconnected recordsets where a connection
> is made just long enough to get the data.
> Would the user be legally "connected" even though the application used
> disconnected recordsets?
>
> Any thoughts on how all this applies to CAL requirements.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 21 10:49:07 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:49:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin3aTeFwHYg_CenmjeS6hJdqtfAZ8RbTep0YuVv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954706AEC6DD@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<AANLkTin3aTeFwHYg_CenmjeS6hJdqtfAZ8RbTep0YuVv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D10DA83.9090305@colbyconsulting.com>

Mark,

To be honest I think that the express version will work fine.  This client is very cost conscious. 
they are using windows 2000 x32 on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram hosting the Access database BEs. 
I have had to split the BEs into a handful of files because the total file size is pushing 2.5 gigs 
of data.  IOW this is pretty much beyond Access' ability to be the data store.

So, I want to go to SQL Server.  Express is fine however I just get the feeling that running it on a 
Windows 2K x32 machine with only 4 gigs is going to cause headaches.  So I am trying to discover 
what the deal is for moving him to Windows 2003 or 2008 x64 so that we can get more memory in there.

I seriously doubt that full on SQL Server Standard is required however I am dubious about running 
even a single instance of express on the existing hardware / OS, and I really don't want to go there 
only to find it makes things even slower.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/21/2010 11:36 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> I am really curious what feature of MS SQL Server you need that would force
> you to have to use the pay editions.  I know that there are lots of
> features, but to date, I usually find that Express version works fine.
>   There are plenty of utilities available to assist with administration
> functions including backs etc.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 21 11:12:22 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:12:22 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
Message-ID: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>

Hi John

>  This client is very cost conscious. 

Then MySQL 5.5 could be an option. Runs fine on Windows, zero cost, modest on ram, and with the ODBC driver it is close to a plug-and-play replacement for the Access BEs.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-12-2010 17:49 >>>
Mark,

To be honest I think that the express version will work fine.  This client is very cost conscious. 
they are using windows 2000 x32 on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram hosting the Access database BEs. 
I have had to split the BEs into a handful of files because the total file size is pushing 2.5 gigs 
of data.  IOW this is pretty much beyond Access' ability to be the data store.

So, I want to go to SQL Server.  Express is fine however I just get the feeling that running it on a 
Windows 2K x32 machine with only 4 gigs is going to cause headaches.  So I am trying to discover 
what the deal is for moving him to Windows 2003 or 2008 x64 so that we can get more memory in there.

I seriously doubt that full on SQL Server Standard is required however I am dubious about running 
even a single instance of express on the existing hardware / OS, and I really don't want to go there 
only to find it makes things even slower.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

On 12/21/2010 11:36 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> I am really curious what feature of MS SQL Server you need that would force
> you to have to use the pay editions.  I know that there are lots of
> features, but to date, I usually find that Express version works fine.
>   There are plenty of utilities available to assist with administration
> functions including backs etc.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 21 11:20:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:20:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
In-Reply-To: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4D10E1CD.8060005@colbyconsulting.com>

My problem there is that I have no experience with it.  If I use SQL Server I would most likely be 
doing things like stored procedures returning recordsets etc and I haven't a clue how to do that (or 
anything else) in MySQL.

The client already said "we don't have anyone that even knows how to spell SQL Server"...

Of course MySQL is easier to spell.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/21/2010 12:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
>>   This client is very cost conscious.
>
> Then MySQL 5.5 could be an option. Runs fine on Windows, zero cost, modest on ram, and with the ODBC driver it is close to a plug-and-play replacement for the Access BEs.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-12-2010 17:49>>>
> Mark,
>
> To be honest I think that the express version will work fine.  This client is very cost conscious.
> they are using windows 2000 x32 on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram hosting the Access database BEs.
> I have had to split the BEs into a handful of files because the total file size is pushing 2.5 gigs
> of data.  IOW this is pretty much beyond Access' ability to be the data store.
>
> So, I want to go to SQL Server.  Express is fine however I just get the feeling that running it on a
> Windows 2K x32 machine with only 4 gigs is going to cause headaches.  So I am trying to discover
> what the deal is for moving him to Windows 2003 or 2008 x64 so that we can get more memory in there.
>
> I seriously doubt that full on SQL Server Standard is required however I am dubious about running
> even a single instance of express on the existing hardware / OS, and I really don't want to go there
> only to find it makes things even slower.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 12/21/2010 11:36 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I am really curious what feature of MS SQL Server you need that would force
>> you to have to use the pay editions.  I know that there are lots of
>> features, but to date, I usually find that Express version works fine.
>>    There are plenty of utilities available to assist with administration
>> functions including backs etc.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 21 11:40:15 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:40:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
Message-ID: <sd10f4b4.086@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, I know that feeling. However, at zero or microscopic cost the client can't expect much, indeed not a reprogramming of parts of the frontend as would be needed if SPs etc. were to be implemented. My point is, that with ODBC very little has to be changed in the frontend, it will probably run at a speed that will surprise you, and installation of MySQL is quite easy - and should you run into problems, several of our fellow list members are quite experienced in this area; Arthur even wrote a book on the topic.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-12-2010 18:20 >>>
My problem there is that I have no experience with it.  If I use SQL Server I would most likely be 
doing things like stored procedures returning recordsets etc and I haven't a clue how to do that (or 
anything else) in MySQL.

The client already said "we don't have anyone that even knows how to spell SQL Server"...

Of course MySQL is easier to spell.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

On 12/21/2010 12:12 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
>>   This client is very cost conscious.
>
> Then MySQL 5.5 could be an option. Runs fine on Windows, zero cost, modest on ram, and with the ODBC driver it is close to a plug-and-play replacement for the Access BEs.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-12-2010 17:49>>>
> Mark,
>
> To be honest I think that the express version will work fine.  This client is very cost conscious.
> they are using windows 2000 x32 on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram hosting the Access database BEs.
> I have had to split the BEs into a handful of files because the total file size is pushing 2.5 gigs
> of data.  IOW this is pretty much beyond Access' ability to be the data store.
>
> So, I want to go to SQL Server.  Express is fine however I just get the feeling that running it on a
> Windows 2K x32 machine with only 4 gigs is going to cause headaches.  So I am trying to discover
> what the deal is for moving him to Windows 2003 or 2008 x64 so that we can get more memory in there.
>
> I seriously doubt that full on SQL Server Standard is required however I am dubious about running
> even a single instance of express on the existing hardware / OS, and I really don't want to go there
> only to find it makes things even slower.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
> On 12/21/2010 11:36 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I am really curious what feature of MS SQL Server you need that would force
>> you to have to use the pay editions.  I know that there are lots of
>> features, but to date, I usually find that Express version works fine.
>>    There are plenty of utilities available to assist with administration
>> functions including backs etc.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mark




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 13:00:08 2010
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:00:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] CAL aware software
In-Reply-To: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4D10C2A5.8060007@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgpL3wj_4PHJKEo5XLkT9GVN0VH8M3XWfNyrtG@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/2008/en/us/licensing-faq.aspx

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...


On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:07 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am trying to understand the CAL requirements of Microsoft's Windows 2008
> Server and SQL Server
> 2008.  The way I understand it, you buy CALs for each simultaneous
> connection. Server software gets
> rather expensive once you buy the software itself and then 30 or more CALs
> for the OS as well as for
> SQL Server.
>
 From the FAQ:

A device CAL allows a device and all the users on that device to gain access
to licensed server software. A user CAL enables a specific user to gain
access to licensed server software from any number of devices. In other
words, a user CAL covers a particular user's access to the server software
from work computers and laptops, as well as from home computers, handheld
computers, Internet kiosks, and other devices. A device CAL covers access by
multiple users to server software from a single, shared device.

Do any of you spend time worrying about how to minimize the effect of the
> database on CAL
> utilization?  For example do linked tables count differently than ado
> disconnected recordsets?
>

No,  we use per processor licenses because the servers are often accessed by
iis servers.


> Linked tables are connected from the time the person opens access to the
> time they close it as
> opposed to disconnected recordsets where a connection is made just long
> enough to get the data.
> Would the user be legally "connected" even though the application used
> disconnected recordsets?
>
> Any thoughts on how all this applies to CAL requirements.
>

A connection CAL is licensed by Device or User, (there are also workgroup
CALs, but that info is in the link I posted above.

by Device, any number of users can access the server through that device.
by User, the user can access the server in any number of devices.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 21 15:52:48 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:52:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Microsoft: Bringing Supercomputing To The Masses -
	Network Computing
Message-ID: <4D1121B0.3020101@colbyconsulting.com>

Need to model an atomic bomb?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
http://www.networkcomputing.com/cloud-computing/microsoft-bringing-supercomputing-to-the-masses.php


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 23 10:22:25 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:22:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] OCZ's RevoDrive Preview: An Affordable PCIe SSD -
 AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News
Message-ID: <4D137741.1020907@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3788/oczs-revodrive-pcie-ssd-preview-an-affordable-pcie-ssd/8

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%2050001550%20600038468&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI-E
-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Wed Dec 29 07:19:58 2010
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:19:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Server Upgrade
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+LHHDyHfonxeNRgcu-KnJ4BrabnoqNhKGaSiK@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning folks,

The server will be going down in half an hour, at approx 845 ET

It will be down for approx 4-6 hours for a complete upgrade.

I will send out another email, once we are all back up and running again.

If you have any questions while the server is done, please get in
touch with me at carbonnb at gmail.com

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - list master at databaseadvisors.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Dec 30 08:59:57 2010
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:59:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Server Upgrade - UPDATE - Dec 30 @
	0955
Message-ID: <AANLkTina-rurFWQdjMv5Lx04F6mga_ANjuXg3JSj5Eem@mail.gmail.com>

Good Morning folks,

I hope you didn't suffer too many withdrawals from not having your
favourite lists yesterday and this morning.

The Server upgrade was a challenge to say the least. A Royal PITA to
say it closer to what it really was.

There are still lots of things to work out, like putting the archives
back online. Have no fear, your words of wisdom are being archived
(for those lists that have archiving turned on), but the archives
aren't available yet.

The main goal was to get the lists back up and running, which it
appears they are.

If you encounter any abnormalities, please let me know ASAP so I can
look into it.

Things will slowly become normal again over the remainder of the week.

Thanks for your patience. during the upgrade.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 30 11:26:54 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:26:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>

Dear List:

A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.

He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.  

This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.

I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
Skype: rocky.smolin
www.e-z-mrp.com
www.bchacc.com
 
 



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 12:26:19 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:26:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
versions?  I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003
(equivalent to Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL
Server versions are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
> Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
> upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 30 12:46:10 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:46:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>

Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.  He
may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use

Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server versions?
I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent to
Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server 
> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small 
> Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll 
> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 30 13:09:21 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:09:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
	<E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B07FAE785CB42E28E737C47E22549DF@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>

AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per seat license.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.  He
> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>
> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server versions?
> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent to
> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>> Business
>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>
>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>
>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>
>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>> www.bchacc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 13:16:53 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:16:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <4D1CD8E1.3060109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTimEwkXFbaQw3Om0tGpQ_quASQXc0w1tktnwNJ+S@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a client who is running SBS 2003 along with SQL Server Express 2005.
So I guess the full SS is optional.

FWIW, the SS Express was installed for a Microsoft Outlook addon called
Business Contact Manager.  The database is about 2gigs and supports around
10 users with no problems.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per
> seat license.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.
>>  He
>> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
>> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>> Steele
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>>
>> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
>> versions?
>> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent
>> to
>> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
>> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Dear List:
>>>
>>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>>> Business
>>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>>
>>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>>
>>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>>
>>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>>
>>> MTIA
>>>
>>> Rocky Smolin
>>> Beach Access Software
>>> 858-259-4334
>>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>> www.bchacc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 30 13:31:59 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:31:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJSSNASR+yMCQpU2FC3pu=gBJWb-BkJT6gJLEs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk>
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I have never actually run SBS, my comment is just from something I read somewhere.

I think that SBS *can* provide various roles which you select as you install SBS.  Thus as you 
indicate if you do not select SQL Server as you install, you do not get it.

The other thing that I seem to remember is that SBS is x32 only, i.e. there is no X64 version.  This 
is a pretty extreme limitation if it is true.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 12/30/2010 2:16 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I have a client who is running SBS 2003 along with SQL Server Express 2005.
> So I guess the full SS is optional.
>
> FWIW, the SS Express was installed for a Microsoft Outlook addon called
> Business Contact Manager.  The database is about 2gigs and supports around
> 10 users with no problems.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> AFAIK Small Business Server includes SQL Server.  But you have to pay a per
>> seat license.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/2010 1:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>
>>> Impossible for me to confuse them since I'm totally ignorant about SQL.
>>>   He
>>> may have meant upgrade to SQL Server 2008 instead of SQL Server Small
>>> Business 2008.  Let's assume that's the case.
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Steele
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:26 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
>>>
>>> Are you sure you're not confusing Windows versions with SQL Server
>>> versions?
>>> I believe the Windows Small Business Server versions are 2003 (equivalent
>>> to
>>> Windows XP) and 2008 (equivalent to Windows 7/Vista).  SQL Server versions
>>> are 2000 then 2005 then 2008.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear List:
>>>>
>>>> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server
>>>> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small
>>>> Business
>>>> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>>>>
>>>> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll
>>>> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>>>>
>>>> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> MTIA
>>>>
>>>> Rocky Smolin
>>>> Beach Access Software
>>>> 858-259-4334
>>>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>>> www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>> www.bchacc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 05:33:01 2010
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:33:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
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Hi Rocky,

There are only rare occasions that you really need the paid for version of
SQL Server.

I would be 99.99% sure you can use the free version.

One thing that the free version is missing is the some of the administration
tools for schedule jobs and other things.  However, the wonderful world of
opensource provides those tools FOC also.

I can think of no reason to use the paid for version at all.  Even when you
have very large db's there are plenty of options to still use the free
version.

Use Express and spend the money saved on handbags and Italian shoes for
ladies.  It will bring you much more happiness than spending it on SQL
Server.

Happy new year to you and your family

Mark




On 30 December 2010 17:26, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server Small
> Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll have to
> upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec 31 10:06:26 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:06:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BCTyozguHdHdr=DOCmFA6z0toNRw91aR54sSs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sd10ee22.080@cactus.dk> <E8262A5797EF4128B9C2EFC7BEFDD10A@HAL9005>
	<AANLkTi=BCTyozguHdHdr=DOCmFA6z0toNRw91aR54sSs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ADF297DF43D4EF8BCECED9B8A29E953@HAL9005>

Thanks for the reply Mark.  Best to you and the fam for the coming year.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:33 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] What SQL To Use

Hi Rocky,

There are only rare occasions that you really need the paid for version of
SQL Server.

I would be 99.99% sure you can use the free version.

One thing that the free version is missing is the some of the administration
tools for schedule jobs and other things.  However, the wonderful world of
opensource provides those tools FOC also.

I can think of no reason to use the paid for version at all.  Even when you
have very large db's there are plenty of options to still use the free
version.

Use Express and spend the money saved on handbags and Italian shoes for
ladies.  It will bring you much more happiness than spending it on SQL
Server.

Happy new year to you and your family

Mark




On 30 December 2010 17:26, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> A client is upgrading his server.  Currently he is using SQL Server 
> Small Business 2003.  He is looking at an upgrade to SQL Server Small 
> Business
> 2008 but is also looking at a hefty license fee.
>
> He wants to know if SQL Server Express will do the job or if he'll 
> have to upgrade to SQL Server Small Business 2008.
>
> This is a law firm with a max of 20 users - typical on-line is 13.
>
> I'm not SQL savvy.  Does anyone know?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> www.e-z-mrp.com
> www.bchacc.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 31 20:56:06 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:56:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Happy new year
Message-ID: <4D1E97C6.3060000@colbyconsulting.com>

To all our members around the world, may the new year be a good one.

I am about to go down stairs and watch a movie with my wife, and ring in the new year with a glass 
of sparkling cider.  If you party, do so with restraint.  This is a particularly dangerous night to 
be out on the roads.

Happy new year.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com