From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 02:57:38 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:57:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  Joining temp tables in SPROC
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Hello Francisco,

I spent an hour or two yesterday morning working on my script, and I have to
avoid temptation this morning to do the same.

However, I cannot wait to try to implement your examples where.

To further extend the exercise, I discovered yesterday that I may have
multiple occurrences of the search string, and I need to capture each
occurrence.  Yesterday morning, I was experimenting with finding a column
where the string exists and then using a while loop to and charindex to
search for all occurrences.  Does that sound right to you?

Thanks for the articles, I will work on them and post back my results when I
have something useful to post.

Mark



On 31 August 2011 17:07, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote up a script that leverages another developer's solution, I co-wrote
> this article with Susan Harkins...
>
> http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954?pf=true
>
> maybe you can extend or improve on what i've done to help leverage, I'm not
> sure if the link will prompt you to have a free login account (i may have
> my
> browser cookies saved, if so I'll re-post the script here)
>
> http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954/1763?supportItem=1
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 10:47:01 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:47:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Joining temp tables in SPROC
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are you trying to find each instance of a string within a field?  if so that
is an interesting approach, let me know how it performs, I'm curious.



-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
>
> I spent an hour or two yesterday morning working on my script, and I have
> to
> avoid temptation this morning to do the same.
>
> However, I cannot wait to try to implement your examples where.
>
> To further extend the exercise, I discovered yesterday that I may have
> multiple occurrences of the search string, and I need to capture each
> occurrence.  Yesterday morning, I was experimenting with finding a column
> where the string exists and then using a while loop to and charindex to
> search for all occurrences.  Does that sound right to you?
>
> Thanks for the articles, I will work on them and post back my results when
> I
> have something useful to post.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 31 August 2011 17:07, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wrote up a script that leverages another developer's solution, I
> co-wrote
> > this article with Susan Harkins...
> >
> > http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954?pf=true
> >
> > maybe you can extend or improve on what i've done to help leverage, I'm
> not
> > sure if the link will prompt you to have a free login account (i may have
> > my
> > browser cookies saved, if so I'll re-post the script here)
> >
> > http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954/1763?supportItem=1
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> >  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  3 10:19:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:19:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
Message-ID: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>

I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template database into another 
database.

I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the resulting tables created in 
the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql 
statement for each one?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 10:44:56 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:44:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>

A little-appreciated feature of SQL Server is the model database. Its name
describes its function. Every database you create is based on model. All the
tables, all the rows, all the sprocs, all the UDFs, all the triggers are
copied from model to your new database.

I have played with this and I love this feature. Of course, I first copied
the vanilla model to a new database called Vanilla_Model, then I imported a
number of common tables (Customers, States, Provinces, etc.) into model and
finally created a new database. Lo and behold, everything I added to model
was automagically present in the new db.

If you don't want to take this approach, you can still generate scripts
including the insert statements. Open Management Studio, open the tables
list and right-click. If you do so on the Tables list, as opposed to a given
table, you can script them all at once, into individual files or one giant
file containing everything.

HTH,
Arthur

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template
> database into another database.
>
> I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the
> resulting tables created in the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that
> or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql statement for each one?
>
>

From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sat Sep  3 11:04:09 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 18:04:09 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E788F3278A464F26A86D3B7F449371F2@abpc>

You can do this using the Generate Scrip tool in SSMS.
This tool has changed slightly for version 2008 R2, which I suppose you use:
In Management Studio right click the database name -> Tasks -> Generate Scripts... Follow the wizard and use the button Advanced (on the 3. step of the wizard) to set "Types of data to script" to "Schema and data".
You can send the result to a file, to the clipboard, or to a new query window.

Asger

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I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template database into another 
database.

I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the resulting tables created in 
the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql 
statement for each one?

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  3 11:11:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:11:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>

That is cool.  Now if they would allow us to create different model databases and specify a model 
when creating a new database...

I have stuff for my Access Presentation level Security System - tables with existing data and so 
forth.  I only use that for Access databases obviously.

The way I have done this in the past was to create a template with all the stuff.  Then do a 
database copy of the template to the BE that I am just starting to develop.

In this case I have existing databases where I need to graft in some more of my PLSS stuff.  IOW I 
had some of it but not all.

I am just using the import data wizard to do them for the one I am working on now.  I just thought I 
wouold build these stored procedures to allow me to create the ones missing "on demand".  the 
creation of the tables was fairly trivial but now I need to do template data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/3/2011 11:44 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> A little-appreciated feature of SQL Server is the model database. Its name
> describes its function. Every database you create is based on model. All the
> tables, all the rows, all the sprocs, all the UDFs, all the triggers are
> copied from model to your new database.
>
> I have played with this and I love this feature. Of course, I first copied
> the vanilla model to a new database called Vanilla_Model, then I imported a
> number of common tables (Customers, States, Provinces, etc.) into model and
> finally created a new database. Lo and behold, everything I added to model
> was automagically present in the new db.
>
> If you don't want to take this approach, you can still generate scripts
> including the insert statements. Open Management Studio, open the tables
> list and right-click. If you do so on the Tables list, as opposed to a given
> table, you can script them all at once, into individual files or one giant
> file containing everything.
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template
>> database into another database.
>>
>> I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the
>> resulting tables created in the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that
>> or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql statement for each one?
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 11:50:55 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iqjUc83PNtOAVFunh59xh6SO00QOLp8TqMA5Ut5fkDgA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that it would be nice to have several model databases. I get around
it by creating several models, each named suitably so I can distinguish
them, then I do a quick rename before creating a db and finally rename it
back when I'm done. Not beautiful, but it works.

A.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> That is cool.  Now if they would allow us to create different model
> databases and specify a model when creating a new database...
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 16:47:19 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>

At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD containing
both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have any SQL Server
clients.

1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case something
comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know?
2. As far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
on. Is it just another name for SQL Express?
3 I'm even thinking of removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can
wait.

TIA,
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  4 17:04:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:04:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of different version concurrently.  

If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create another default one.

CE is not the same as Express.  

CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and is an "in-process", single 
user database.  

Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server family.

It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Sep 2011 at 17:47, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD
> containing both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have
> any SQL Server clients.
> 
> 1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case
> something comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know? 2. As
> far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
> on. Is it just another name for SQL Express? 3 I'm even thinking of
> removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can wait.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 17:22:31 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:22:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. Since I have no plans to write for mobile devices, I'll just remove
that and leave the others and install Denali.

A.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of different
> version concurrently.
>
> If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create another
> default one.
>
> CE is not the same as Express.
>
> CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and is an
> "in-process", single
> user database.
>
> Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server family.
>
> It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  4 17:42:14 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E63FEC6.31906.1D884B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

CE is not just for mobile devices,  It is MS's compeititor to SQLite.  

You can use it for "in process"  data storage/retrieval in any WIndows application.

-- 
Stuart

On 4 Sep 2011 at 18:22, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks. Since I have no plans to write for mobile devices, I'll just
> remove that and leave the others and install Denali.
> 
> A.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of
> > different version concurrently.
> >
> > If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create
> > another default one.
> >
> > CE is not the same as Express.
> >
> > CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and
> > is an "in-process", single user database.
> >
> > Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server
> > family.
> >
> > It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 19:32:12 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:32:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-4946246676171209615@unknownmsgid>

I haven't tried this scenario, is R2 an instance or it's own default instance?

If the latter then you can uninstall it without issues. I haven't read
about Denali, what new features are there?

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD containing
> both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have any SQL Server
> clients.
>
> 1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case something
> comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know?
> 2. As far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
> on. Is it just another name for SQL Express?
> 3 I'm even thinking of removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can
> wait.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 12:30:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:30:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
Message-ID: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>

The other day I populated the second socket of my (AMD) server with another 8 core chip.  With cores 
to spare I decided to give compression a whirl.  I am finding a lot of stuff out there now saying 
that it reduces the I/O a ton and that if you are not cpu limited then it makes the database faster 
because more stuff fits into memory.  Basically the objective is to get as much of the stuff that is 
being actively used to stay resident in memory.

One immediate benefit is that it cuts the total size of my databases on disk roughly in half.  This 
is a good thing because I keep the major players on SSD which is expensive.  Keeping them compressed 
means that I have more room on the SSD.

When I got into this business in October 2004 I had servers with AMD single core 3.8 ghz and 4 gigs 
or RAM running x32 windows and sql server.  I was trying to run count queries on 100 gb databases 
and while it worked, it was... not fast. I would run counts that took a half hour.

Through knowledge acquired on these lists I rebuilt my database tables, learned indexing, and made 
the databases much more efficient.

Seven years later I have 16 cores and 32 gigs RAM running X64 windows and SQL server.  A year ago I 
bought 32 gigs of DDR3 1300 registered ECC ram for $1000.  Today I ordered another 32 gigs for $400.

It is incredible to me that using brute force and ignorance, I can now keep multiple largish 
databases entirely in memory.  While I have no benchmarks recorded to compare yesteryear to today, I 
am doing things in minutes or even seconds that would have taken me a half hour or even hours seven 
years ago.

These are exciting times.

BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine.  It is the only thing I have found 
that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.  My Geekbench number is 
~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server with 1/2 of the memory 
"bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).

I had 4 DIMMS and a single processor.  The processor has a 4 port memory controller.  When I added 
the new processor I redistributed the memory so that each chip had 1/2 of the memory (2 dimms) but 
in doing so I "crippled" the memory controller.  The price of memory is dropping like a rock so now 
seems like a good time to top up.  It will be interesting to see what filling out the memory 
controller does to the numbers.

I "retired" my previous server to be my VM server, and it just occurred to me that I can run 
Geekbench on that to get a comparison of my previous server against my current server.  My previous 
server is an AMD quad core with 16 gigs of RAM and the geekbench on that is 7469.



-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 12:56:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:56:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
Message-ID: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>

In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about 50% empty space in the 
database.  As these are more or less read-only databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am 
doing a dbcc ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.

I am doing something like the following:

ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (FILLFACTOR = 100, 
DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (FILLFACTOR = 100, 
DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL


In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than reorganize.  They also say 
however that the reorganize does not cause re-expansion of the database container whereas the 
rebuild does.  What I am not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.

The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.  When I am finished I get 
0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little empty space in the database.

Am I good to go here or am I missing something?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 13:12:23 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:12:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
In-Reply-To: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good to go.
A.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about
> 50% empty space in the database.  As these are more or less read-only
> databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am doing a dbcc
> ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.
>
> I am doing something like the following:
>
> ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION =
> PAGE)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
> DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>
>
> In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than
> reorganize.  They also say however that the reorganize does not cause
> re-expansion of the database container whereas the rebuild does.  What I am
> not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.
>
> The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.
>  When I am finished I get 0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little
> empty space in the database.
>
> Am I good to go here or am I missing something?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 13:28:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:28:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6514B8.9040204@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Arthur.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/5/2011 2:12 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Good to go.
> A.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about
>> 50% empty space in the database.  As these are more or less read-only
>> databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am doing a dbcc
>> ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.
>>
>> I am doing something like the following:
>>
>> ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION =
>> PAGE)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
>> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
>> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
>> DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>>
>>
>> In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than
>> reorganize.  They also say however that the reorganize does not cause
>> re-expansion of the database container whereas the rebuild does.  What I am
>> not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.
>>
>> The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.
>>   When I am finished I get 0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little
>> empty space in the database.
>>
>> Am I good to go here or am I missing something?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>>
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> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 16:27:12 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:27:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
hoop?


arg!


-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>

From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 02:45:25 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 02:45:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
Message-ID: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
users can work with different application databases with each database
attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
"instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Sep  8 02:50:47 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:50:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Alan

Have a read at

http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different users can work with different application databases with each database attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server "instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              

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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 03:58:33 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 03:58:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>

Martin:

Thanks very much!  This article cleared up a lot of confusion.  (I was
basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same
hardware can drastically curtail performance.)

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:51 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Alan

Have a read at

http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
users can work with different application databases with each database
attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
"instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  8 06:56:52 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:56:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>
Message-ID: <4E68AD84.80509@colbyconsulting.com>

 > (I was basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same hardware can 
drastically curtail performance.)

Maybe not.  Nowadays servers have many cores and gigabytes of memory.  SQL Server can be assigned 
cores and memory specifically for their use.  Assume that you have a report server that runs some 
heavy duty reports that routinely bog down the server.  By creating a server instance just for 
reporting, assigning it cores and memory, you have now isolated the effects of running those reports 
to that server instance.  Your production server is no longer bogged down with reporting duties.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/8/2011 4:58 AM, Alan Lawhon wrote:
> Martin:
>
> Thanks very much!  This article cleared up a lot of confusion.  (I was
> basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same
> hardware can drastically curtail performance.)
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:51 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
>
> Alan
>
> Have a read at
>
> http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29
>
> Martin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
> Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
> To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
>
> Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
> whoever I inadvertently left out .)
>
>
>
> Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
> that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
> time for a Progress Report.
>
>
>
> I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
> Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
> basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
> the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
> exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
> single table.
>
>
>
> So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
> as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
> I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
> that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
> installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
> installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
> installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
> users can work with different application databases with each database
> attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
> can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
> the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
> the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.
>
>
>
> Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
> installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
> you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
> installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
> only one operating system?)
>
>
>
> It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
> users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
> Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
> crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
> machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
> instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.
>
>
>
> Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
> "instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
> same machine or the same server?
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>
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>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 11:36:48 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:36:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server
> editions
> installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
> you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
> installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
> only one operating system?)


A good reason of why to run multiple instances is maintenance, security and
cost.  If you are running for example Sql Server 2005 and Sql Server 2008,
you can apply all OS patches on one machine and have a smaller window of
downtime while the hardware reboots.  if all the instances are of the same
version then patching is even quicker and easier.  Security wise it's nice
to have separate instances because there are times that a particular
software vendor will want sa access and isolating them to their own instance
is nice because they don't have immediate access to the rest of the data.
Another added benefit for our team is that we've created instances that
segment our business so all sales databases run in one instance all service
db's run in another, etc.  if there is a drastic change that is required and
we need to restart the instance (seldom needed, but it happens)  then we
only need to restart the one instance.  Additionally if you are using
instances you save on licensing costs, you don't have to pay extra to have
another named instance, but you do need to watch out for how many cals you
are using (if you are running a per-processor license, then it's even better
as you don't care how many connections there are)

I hope this helps...



-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>

From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 13:27:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:27:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server Business
	Intelligence
Message-ID: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>

In reading this:

 
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/09/06/data-scientist-the-hot-new-gig-in-tec
h/

  http://tinyurl.com/3lppxzn

Fortune magazine article describing the hot new career field of "Data
Scientist," what the article outlines sounds very much like the data
warehousing and data mining topics covered in the SQL Server 70-448
("Business Intelligence") certification exam.  Is that basically what a
"Data Scientist" is - an expert in data warehousing and data mining?

Alan C. Lawhon

         


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 20:39:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:39:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
	<CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Everything Francisco said, plus another good reason, IMO: While the typical
shop (with money) runs DEV, TEST and PROD versions of any given project,
each running on a separate server. In my income bracket, that is simply not
possible. So I fake it with instances. The same reasoning applies to
versioning. I may need a running copy of the previous version as I work on
the current version, if only for comparison.

Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep  8 21:10:30 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:10:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>,
	<CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E697596.20798.32E07672@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In my experience  DEV, TEST, PROD or DEV/TEST,  PROD as separate instances on the 
same server is very common in small/medium enterprises.   Few organisations in that 
bracket, especially at the smaller end, lash out on separate development hardware.

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Sep 2011 at 21:39, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Everything Francisco said, plus another good reason, IMO: While the
> typical shop (with money) runs DEV, TEST and PROD versions of any
> given project, each running on a separate server. In my income
> bracket, that is simply not possible. So I fake it with instances. The
> same reasoning applies to versioning. I may need a running copy of the
> previous version as I work on the current version, if only for
> comparison.
> 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Sep  9 20:59:08 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:59:08 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server
	BusinessIntelligence
In-Reply-To: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>
References: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>
Message-ID: <5BDA4C26E8A1425E9DAC090C2715FE9D@abpc>

Alan,
You hit a very important point.
The crucial sentence in the article is: "They need to find nuggets of truth in data and then explain it to the business leaders."
I don't know what the journalist means by a "data scientist". But let's say it's a person as described above. Then I don't think this describes a BI expert.
A BI expert can provide tools for a data scientist by creating data warehouses and OLAP cubes. But a data scientist needs to analyse the data and communicate the results. This requires a person with business knowledge and rhetorical capabilities. And a 70-448 exam obviously doesn't qualify to that. Just as business knowledge and rhetorical skills won't do for creating an efficient BI system.
Seems simple: two separate jobs. But actually it's not so.
BI experts have a very big control of the data being analysed. That's especially true when it comes to advanced tools like Analysis Services in SQL Server.
If you are used to building pivot tables in Excel on internal data tables in worksheets then you will probably be frustrated when building the pivot table on OLAP cubes from Analysis Services. You just don't have the freedom to pivot and analyse the data the way you are used to - why? because your analysis capabilities has been defined and restricted by the BI expert.
There are plenty of good reasons for this restriction (performance, business rules etc.) but bottom line is: the BI expert rules the Data scientist - unless you establish a serious and ongoing exchange of knowledge between both parts.
Asger


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Alan Lawhon
Sendt: 8. september 2011 20:27
Til: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Emne: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server BusinessIntelligence

In reading this:

 
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/09/06/data-scientist-the-hot-new-gig-in-tec
h/

  http://tinyurl.com/3lppxzn

Fortune magazine article describing the hot new career field of "Data
Scientist," what the article outlines sounds very much like the data
warehousing and data mining topics covered in the SQL Server 70-448
("Business Intelligence") certification exam.  Is that basically what a
"Data Scientist" is - an expert in data warehousing and data mining?

Alan C. Lawhon

         

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 11 07:34:58 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:34:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>

I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ is still saying that my 
memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I have the correct sockets populated per the 
motherboard manual, 4 dimm sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.

In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008 and 13 processors and 56 
gigs assigned to SQL Server.

As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my major databases and while I 
do not know how it all works exactly but I now have enough memory to have the two databases that I 
normally pull data from for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other 
is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it is loaded off od disk 
and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that it is used, the data is uncompressed and any 
resulting data recompressed (if storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my 
readings this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.

In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data which is written back out to 
a different (order) order database.  The business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.

Thank you AMD.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
 > BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is the only thing I have found
 > that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others. My Geekbench number is
 > ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server with 1/2 of the memory
 > "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 03:03:06 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:03:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
install Office ?

Mark




On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
>
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 03:22:36 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:22:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Sproc emailed me to say I am broken
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChnDKVk9nP6T1LOz+QddAjzVFbfvzgbfeWa2hfEOsPPaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I am using a module in DNN named Dynamic Registration.  In that module, I
have a custom written sproc.  I recently deleted a column in the database
that I no longer use.

That night a user attempted to register and when he did my sproc failed, so
guess what, the module emailed me to inform me that it was now broken.

I was astonished, mostly because the notification feature worked, but also
because I had forgotten that such a feature existed.

IMO, software does not work as well as that often enough.

I was very impressed.

thanks
Mark

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 12 03:52:02 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:52:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one Access 97 database in use by third party apps.

The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C# WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I don't delete anything) 

Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio. This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a higher level.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to install Office ?

Mark


On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this hoop?
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:19:55 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:19:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>

very cool indeed!

-Francisco
<http://bit.ly/sqlthis>

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>
> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>
> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>
> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>
> Thank you AMD.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> > BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
> the only thing I have found
> > that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
> My Geekbench number is
> > ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
> with 1/2 of the memory
> > "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
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>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:23:39 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:23:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>

yeah,
  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000 jet
database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster, so I
had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really much
I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers to
show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on Friday
:-/, linking the data was just the beginning...




-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> > hoop?
> >
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:56:52 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:56:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah,
>  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000 jet
> database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster, so
> I
> had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
> but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
> much
> I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers
> to
> show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
> Friday
> :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>
>
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Francisco,
> >
> > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> > that.
> >
> > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> > install Office ?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > > machine
> > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > > Access
> > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> > support
> > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008,
> I
> > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
> this
> > > hoop?
> > >
> > >
> > > arg!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Francisco
> > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 17:19:45 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:19:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>

hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
database drivers via ssis.

I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > yeah,
> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
> jet
> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
> so
> > I
> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
> > much
> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers
> > to
> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
> > Friday
> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Francisco,
> > >
> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
> know
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
> to
> > > install Office ?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > > > machine
> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > > > Access
> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> > > support
> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
> 2008,
> > I
> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
> > this
> > > > hoop?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > arg!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Francisco
> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> > >
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 12 21:06:03 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:06:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6EBA8B.2020502@colbyconsulting.com>

 >However CPUZ is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.

The concensus is that it has to do with the fact that it a multi-chip module.  Essentially each chip 
looks like a dual channel controller.  Each chip controls 1/2 of the dimm sockets.  Each chip gets 
at the memory for the other chip through an interconnect.  Thus there really are 4 channels but...



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/12/2011 5:19 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote:
> very cool indeed!
>
> -Francisco
> <http://bit.ly/sqlthis>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
>> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
>> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
>> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>>
>> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
>> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
>> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
>> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
>> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
>> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
>> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
>> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
>> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
>> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>>
>> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
>> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
>> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>>
>> Thank you AMD.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
>> the only thing I have found
>>> that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
>> My Geekbench number is
>>> ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
>> with 1/2 of the memory
>>> "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 12 21:11:06 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:11:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6EBBBA.2000702@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008 and 13 processors and 
56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.

And of course that is cores, not processors.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/12/2011 5:19 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote:
> very cool indeed!
>
> -Francisco
> <http://bit.ly/sqlthis>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
>> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
>> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
>> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>>
>> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
>> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
>> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
>> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
>> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
>> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
>> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
>> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
>> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
>> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>>
>> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
>> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
>> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>>
>> Thank you AMD.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
>> the only thing I have found
>>> that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
>> My Geekbench number is
>>> ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
>> with 1/2 of the memory
>>> "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 06:20:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:20:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>

I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
no idea what it means or how it works.

<sql>
DECLARE @b INT
SELECT 0 [A]
, B = 1 -- 1
, 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
, 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
, 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
, 1 - - 1 AS [F]

PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
</sql>

Results:

A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
0           1           2           0           2           2

(1 row(s) affected)

Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
certainly curious as to how it works.

TIA,
Arthur

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 11:44:04 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:44:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>

This is part of my error when I was trying to get a link back to jet, as it
turns out my server is windows 2008 R2 (64 bit) along with Sql Server 64bit
and the error I get is: when I try to use SSIS to push out a simple update
table package :-|

The requested OLE DB provider Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 is not registered --
perhaps no 64-bit provider is available.  Error code: 0x00000000.


any ideas?

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
> database drivers via ssis.
>
> I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > yeah,
>> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
>> jet
>> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
>> so
>> > I
>> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on
>> it,
>> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
>> > much
>> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet
>> drivers
>> > to
>> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
>> > Friday
>> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Francisco
>> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Francisco,
>> > >
>> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
>> know
>> > > that.
>> > >
>> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
>> to
>> > > install Office ?
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
>> > > > machine
>> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor
>> specific
>> > > > Access
>> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
>> > > support
>> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
>> 2008,
>> > I
>> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
>> > this
>> > > > hoop?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > arg!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -Francisco
>> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> > >
>>
>

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:29:01 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:29:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmYM5pvp11jaLTscsyrX8uhAbmeEbyPbp__PcubQzAQZMA@mail.gmail.com>

ok,
  there is a project property to set the ssis project to 32bit mode... that
seems to take care of this issue.. thanks guys :)

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is part of my error when I was trying to get a link back to jet, as it
> turns out my server is windows 2008 R2 (64 bit) along with Sql Server 64bit
> and the error I get is: when I try to use SSIS to push out a simple update
> table package :-|
>
> The requested OLE DB provider Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 is not registered --
> perhaps no 64-bit provider is available.  Error code: 0x00000000.
>
>
> any ideas?
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
>> database drivers via ssis.
>>
>> I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!
>>
>>
>> -Francisco
>> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > yeah,
>>> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
>>> jet
>>> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
>>> so
>>> > I
>>> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on
>>> it,
>>> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
>>> > much
>>> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet
>>> drivers
>>> > to
>>> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
>>> > Friday
>>> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Francisco
>>> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>>> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello Francisco,
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
>>> know
>>> > > that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
>>> to
>>> > > install Office ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Mark
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with
>>> my
>>> > > > machine
>>> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor
>>> specific
>>> > > > Access
>>> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
>>> > > support
>>> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
>>> 2008,
>>> > I
>>> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
>>> > this
>>> > > > hoop?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > arg!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -Francisco
>>> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:34:59 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:34:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W1095B8CF965E81A3BE6DA2D2050@phx.gbl>


This 'almost' looks like examples of how to set an 'alias' to a field(A,B,C)...the rest seem to be examples of the '+' sign being used for calculations and concatenation.
 
Just my guess...
 
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 

> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:20:54 -0400
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
> 
> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
> 
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
> 
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
> 
> Results:
> 
> A B C D E F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0 1 2 0 2 2
> 
> (1 row(s) affected)
> 
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
 		 	   		  

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:57:09 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:57:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=, ==, ++
and so on)


The Declaration of @b and the print of the cast do nothing
A is always going to be 0.
I modified it to use a variable, just so it was easier to change the number.
B is always going to be the test number
C will always be 1 more
D will always be 1 less
E&F will always be 1 more

DECLARE @N AS INT SET @N = 4

SELECT
0              AS A,
@N          AS B,
@N ++  1 AS C, --Think of it as: @N + (+1)
@N +-+ 1 AS D, --Think of it as: @N + (-(+1)) or @N + -1
@N -+-  1 AS E, --Think of it as: @N - (+(-1) ) or @N - -1
@N - -   1 AS F  --Think of it as: @N -(-1) same as E

--Results:
--A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
--0           0           1           -1          1           1
--0           1           2           0           2           2
--0           2           3           1           3           3
--0           3           4           2           4           4
--0           4           5           3           5           5


On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I
> have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
>
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
>
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
>
> Results:
>
> A           B           C           D           E           F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0           1           2           0           2           2
>
> (1 row(s) affected)
>
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:38:14 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:38:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>

Wel thanks for your starting pointers, but I remain confused. WTH is -+-, or
+-+? I'm recalling C syntax but even that don't cut it. (for x in y; x++)
etc. WTF is -+-  etc.? I must have fallen asleep in that seminar.
A.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=, ==, ++
> and so on)
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 13 17:28:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:28:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6FD920.19745.9E712F7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Concatenation of operators.

Try variants of this in an immediate window in Access i.e:  "? 1 ++--+ 2"

It works in many programming enviroments including just about any flavour of BASIC. 


-- 
Stuart

On 13 Sep 2011 at 17:38, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Wel thanks for your starting pointers, but I remain confused. WTH is
> -+-, or +-+? I'm recalling C syntax but even that don't cut it. (for x
> in y; x++) etc. WTF is -+-  etc.? I must have fallen asleep in that
> seminar. A.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=,
> > ==, ++ and so on)
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Sep 13 18:29:44 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:29:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
References: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <61D4FB2F07114DFE8826F35CBEC0A8CC@abpc>

Hi Gustav,

>> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively

Don't know if this is applicable in your case. But I've noticed the same behaviour when linking an Access database to Excel: the Access database will be read only as long as Excel holds the connection.
A workaround to this is to edit the connection string in Excel and change the setting "Mode=Share Deny Write" to "Mode=Share Deny None". This will make the db full editable in Access even if it's opened in Excel.
Maybe you can make a similar setting in your app.

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 12. september 2011 10:52
Til: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...

Hi Mark

It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one Access 97 database in use by third party apps.

The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C# WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I don't delete anything) 

Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio. This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a higher level.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to install Office ?

Mark


On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this hoop?
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...


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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Tue Sep 13 18:38:54 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:38:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>

Arthur, et al:

Goodness!  I hope something like this doesn't show up on the 70-432 and
70-433 SQL Server certification exams ...

Alan C. Lawhon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:21 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax

I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
no idea what it means or how it works.

<sql>
DECLARE @b INT
SELECT 0 [A]
, B = 1 -- 1
, 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
, 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
, 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
, 1 - - 1 AS [F]

PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
</sql>

Results:

A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
0           1           2           0           2           2

(1 row(s) affected)

Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
certainly curious as to how it works.

TIA,
Arthur
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 19:27:20 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:27:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>

No. This is very old usage. Pre 7.0.

I've seen it in our old erp system.

My professor would throw stuff like that in some of our tests.

Anybody using that in a newer SQL sproc is just trying to make it look like
he's doing hard work. :)

Sent from my Droid phone.
On Sep 13, 2011 4:39 PM, "Alan Lawhon" <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> Arthur, et al:
>
> Goodness! I hope something like this doesn't show up on the 70-432 and
> 70-433 SQL Server certification exams ...
>
> Alan C. Lawhon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:21 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
>
> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I
have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
>
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
>
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
>
> Results:
>
> A B C D E F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0 1 2 0 2 2
>
> (1 row(s) affected)
>
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 13 20:35:25 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:35:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ioSY62OMDMtmAGdNESJJV38y4RYHxZOnNbek5wMGaBgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. 

Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux,
given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but
each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone
type interface and then there will be Windows7. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/

I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC
and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the
journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support
application. 

Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the
formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They
have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is
dead.

So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the
future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet
protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based
graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming
generations). 

It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC.

Jim  


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 13 21:18:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:18:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ioSY62OMDMtmAGdNESJJV38y4RYHxZOnNbek5wMGaBgw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E700F07.22290.383F13@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Maybe in the US where internet access is fast and bandiwdth is cheap.   It will be many years 
before businesses in much of the world are prepared to go that way.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Sep 2011 at 18:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is
> the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of
> Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the
> PC, as we know it, is dead.
> 
> So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry,
> of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers,
> internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript,
> web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the
> forth-coming generations). 
> 
> It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC.
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 01:32:57 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:32:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please. I still
don't understand why or how this works.

If you have a spare moment, please explain.

A.

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 14 02:48:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:48:04 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Sep 2011 at 2:32, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please. I
> still don't understand why or how this works.
> 
> If you have a spare moment, please explain.
> 

It's actually quite simple once you dig through the obfuscation.

You don't need the DECLARE and PRINT lines at all to return the recordset in question,  
They just returning the string "Result = Null" as an "informational error message" to the 
calling application. (Null because although @b is declared, it is not initialised with a SET @b 
=....."  )

The recordset comes purely from the select part which is just using different ways of 
declaring field aliases and using concatentation of +/- operators..You get exactly the same 
recordset returned with:  

SELECT 0  AS A,
1 - (-1) AS B,
1 + (+1) AS C,
1 + (- (+1)) AS D,
1 - (+ ( -1)) AS E,
1 - (-1) AS  F

or
SELECT A = 0,
B = 1 - (-1),
C = .....

Note the field alias B is not the integer variable @b.  Using the same letter for both is just 
further obfuscation.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 14 03:08:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:08:06 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E7060E6.32163.1780FCF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just noticed another cunning piece of obfuscation in there:

,B = 1 -- 1

The "--" is a comment delimiter so this is the same as

,B = 1  /* 1 */
and not
,B = 1 - (-1)

So the field B returns 1, not 2.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Sep 2011 at 17:48, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 14 Sep 2011 at 2:32, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please.
> > I still don't understand why or how this works.
> > 
> > If you have a spare moment, please explain.
> > 
> 
> It's actually quite simple once you dig through the obfuscation.
> 
> You don't need the DECLARE and PRINT lines at all to return the
> recordset in question,  They just returning the string "Result = Null"
> as an "informational error message" to the calling application. (Null
> because although @b is declared, it is not initialised with a SET @b
> =....."  )
> 
> The recordset comes purely from the select part which is just using
> different ways of declaring field aliases and using concatentation of
> +/- operators..You get exactly the same recordset returned with:  
> 
> SELECT 0  AS A,
> 1 - (-1) AS B,
> 1 + (+1) AS C,
> 1 + (- (+1)) AS D,
> 1 - (+ ( -1)) AS E,
> 1 - (-1) AS  F
> 
> or
> SELECT A = 0,
> B = 1 - (-1),
> C = .....
> 
> Note the field alias B is not the integer variable @b.  Using the same
> letter for both is just further obfuscation.
> 
> 
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 04:28:14 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:28:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
References: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjFfsRt+3LKA9PHjQohBXOqPvKfdu7SdNScg=FdV2=n_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

so when you link them, does that mean tha in SSMS, you can write queries
against the Jet tables ?

If so, why can't you schedule a job to do the update up and down, regardless
of exclusive use.

Also, just a question, I used to use DTS a lot back in SQL 2000 days, I have
not used it too much since 2005 / 2008 / 2008 R2, but did you attempt to get
SSIS to manage the data management, it sounds like it it the type of thing
it should be used for.

thanks
Mark



On 12 September 2011 09:52, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and
> in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one
> Access 97 database in use by third party apps.
>
> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now
> the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big
> deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server
> 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C#
> WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then
> custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I
> don't delete anything)
>
> Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio.
> This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a
> higher level.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 15 05:02:04 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:02:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <se71e946.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Yes, you can see and use the JET tables in SSMS.
However, I don't use DTS for syncing as the sync process is rather complicated and I haven't used DTS previously.
Also, the client are not superusers, thus operation had to be a click of a button which I created in the app itself with a progress bar and decent success/error reporting.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:28 >>>
Hi Gustav,

so when you link them, does that mean tha in SSMS, you can write queries
against the Jet tables ?

If so, why can't you schedule a job to do the update up and down, regardless
of exclusive use.

Also, just a question, I used to use DTS a lot back in SQL 2000 days, I have
not used it too much since 2005 / 2008 / 2008 R2, but did you attempt to get
SSIS to manage the data management, it sounds like it it the type of thing
it should be used for.

thanks
Mark



On 12 September 2011 09:52, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and
> in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one
> Access 97 database in use by third party apps.
>
> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now
> the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big
> deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server
> 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C#
> WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then
> custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I
> don't delete anything)
>
> Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio.
> This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a
> higher level.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 08:54:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:54:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
Message-ID: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL Server.  Just as an aside i 
had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the temperature of the cores below 
where it would blue screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows 2008R2), or more correctly 
not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very slowly.  For example I opened 
SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop down.  After that things 
took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some resources for SSMS, or 
basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In this case it is running a 
simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another 
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150 million records, rotating 
media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be 
inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Sat Sep 17 10:39:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:39:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the (un)Secure
	Sockets Layer
Message-ID: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>

 
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-sockets-l
ayer/

   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj

 

This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an out-of-cycle
security patch to eliminate the source of the phony certificates, (i.e.
DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of Internet Explorer and other
browsers.

Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security breach
were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying that this may
be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its citizens; thus
there is little (if any) chance of this breach adversely affecting users
outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his analysis of the "lax process" by
which root certificates are issued is illuminating.

At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider modifying
their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their system and
prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other security-related
vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I want to check with the
experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement that changing your "Hosts"
file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I wonder why Microsoft doesn't make
the "Hosts" file read only by default?)

Alan C. Lawhon

 

 


From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 17 12:36:08 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:36:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
To: Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
Server.  Just as an aside i 
had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
temperature of the cores below 
where it would blue screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
2008R2), or more correctly 
not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
slowly.  For example I opened 
SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
down.  After that things 
took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
resources for SSMS, or 
basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
this case it is running a 
simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
those 7 fields) to another 
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
million records, rotating 
media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
records do have to be 
inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Sep 17 13:03:04 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:03:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>

Ah - Cooling!  I discovered on my box that straight through air flow worked
a lot better.  I originally started with the OEM fan that blew straight down
onto the processor and motherboard, but temps seemed a little high.  Then I
got a CPU cooler that has tubes which are cooled by a 'radiator' assembly
with a fan attached which complemented the airflow I already had going from
front to back.  Temps went down several degrees.  That cooler cost < $50, so
it was a good buy.  You can also get two fans for those coolers which might
help.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
To: Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in
order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue
screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it
took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30
seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is
currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7
fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it
is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order,
sorted on 3 fields.

--
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 13:43:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:43:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid controller, plus two amd 
6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.

Plenty of heat generated there.

After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the motherboard area, changing to 
thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust fans.  They are loud but 
pull tons of air out of the case.

The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a 120mm fan on those.  That 
will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.

I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10 degrees C hotter than the 
other.  Something wrong there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 13:44:23 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:44:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4E74EA87.8040403@colbyconsulting.com>

I have aftermarket heat pipe HSFs but they are just not enough by themselves.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 2:03 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Ah - Cooling!  I discovered on my box that straight through air flow worked
> a lot better.  I originally started with the OEM fan that blew straight down
> onto the processor and motherboard, but temps seemed a little high.  Then I
> got a CPU cooler that has tubes which are cooled by a 'radiator' assembly
> with a fan attached which complemented the airflow I already had going from
> front to back.  Temps went down several degrees.  That cooler cost<  $50, so
> it was a good buy.  You can also get two fans for those coolers which might
> help.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in
> order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue
> screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it
> took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30
> seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is
> currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7
> fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it
> is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order,
> sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 17 16:18:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:18:12 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need special entries 
in it.  

OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit it quite often,

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:

> 
> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> kets-l ayer/
> 
>    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> 
> 
> 
> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> 
> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> illuminating.
> 
> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> default?)
> 
> Alan C. Lawhon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 17 16:22:23 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:22:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating issue:
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can send
you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
motherboards and circuitry.

Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
controller, plus two amd 
6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.

Plenty of heat generated there.

After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
motherboard area, changing to 
thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust
fans.  They are loud but 
pull tons of air out of the case.

The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
120mm fan on those.  That 
will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.

I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
degrees C hotter than the 
other.  Something wrong there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 16:50:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:50:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E751624.6030908@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the envelope.  It is OK but not 
great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies 
in the MCM that is the AMD processor.

 > Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.

No, I really don't want to go there.

I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both sides) but for this socket 
they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a last resort.

I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.  There is no other explanation 
for a 10 degree C difference between the sockets at idle.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating issue:
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>
> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can send
> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
> motherboards and circuitry.
>
> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
> controller, plus two amd
> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>
> Plenty of heat generated there.
>
> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
> motherboard area, changing to
> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust
> fans.  They are loud but
> pull tons of air out of the case.
>
> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
> 120mm fan on those.  That
> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>
> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
> degrees C hotter than the
> other.  Something wrong there.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>
>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>> temperature of the cores below
>> where it would blue screen.
>>
>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>> slowly.  For example I opened
>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
>> down.  After that things
>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>
>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>> resources for SSMS, or
>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>> this case it is running a
>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>> those 7 fields) to another
>> database / table.
>>
>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>> million records, rotating
>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>> records do have to be
>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 18:24:13 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:24:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] MySQL
Message-ID: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>

Today I built a Windows XP SP3 VM (x32) and installed MySQL Community Edition.  I installed all the 
prereqs, the database and the ODBC connector.  The .Net connector refused to install due to missing 
.net 2.0 or 4.0.

I also installed the workbench.

It looks very foreign.  It is very foreign.  This is the part of new technology I hate, that first 
look - "I don't recognize a thing" feeling.

Being a vm, I have a boot drive and a data drive.  The boot is 30 gigs and the data is 60 gigs. 
Let's hope that is enough, though one would think so for small databases.

I am trying to learn enough to assist a client with evaluating MySQL for replacing his Access MDB 
data store.

For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same concept as SQL Server?  A 
file or set of files where tables, indexes, views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some 
visual designer that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like that stuff is 
in "SQL Development".

This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 17 18:51:42 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:51:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our FreeBSD servers.

I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive interface.

It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.

-- 
Stuart


On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:

> For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> 
> This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> 



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 19:05:47 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:05:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <-6782676553490107073@unknownmsgid>

If your sorting the order and the recordset is large, you may need to
ensure your tempdb is also on fast disks, what would also help on the
insert would be if there are no indexes on the target table, at least
during the insert routine.



Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:55 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows 2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150 million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 19:06:19 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:06:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>

Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Jim Lawrence <jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 19:53:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:53:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
Message-ID: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>

I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server ports (and mysql as well I 
assume).

If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to the outside world 
correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to directly get to the open 
port?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:40:45 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:40:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <-7682953151152115108@unknownmsgid>

Correct... In fact I'd double check your firewalls port forwarding and
triggering configs along with your upnp setup just to be sure your SQL
doesn't have any direct ports from it...



Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:54 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server ports (and mysql as well I assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to the outside world correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to directly get to the open port?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:52:34 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:52:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> FreeBSD servers.
>
> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> interface.
>
> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>
> > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> >
> > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 21:04:45 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:04:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>

Am I way too far out of the trendy loop, or has dry ice been forgotten as an
approach to such?

A.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 01:01:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:01:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise database.
Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.

Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
s-advanced-server

There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.

Jim
  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> FreeBSD servers.
>
> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> interface.
>
> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>
> > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> >
> > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
_______________________________________________
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dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 01:33:20 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:33:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security

I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
ports (and mysql as well I 
assume).

If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
the outside world 
correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
directly get to the open 
port?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:17:33 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
	<CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D34D.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Dry ice eh?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 10:04 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Am I way too far out of the trendy loop, or has dry ice been forgotten as an
> approach to such?
>
> A.
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Francisco Tapia<fhtapia at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:29:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D634.4050307@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

My point is that I have not established port forwarding at the router so while the port is there to 
probe, it is not routed on to any machine, and therefore my SQL Server will not answer up.  The SQL 
Server only answers up on it's specific 5.x.x.x IP address which is assigned to specific Hamachi 
networks belonging to me.  Thus the hacker needs to have physical access to one of the handful of 
machines in the world which have Hamachi installed, and have been set up to belong to my networks.

Thanks for pointing out this OpenVPN though.  I am always looking for alternatives.  In particular 
the Wikipedia article discusses routers running Tomato or DD-Wrt which opens up the alternative of 
having my end handled by my router, though I do not currently have a router able to run those 
firmware.  But I could go get one.

I have to say that Hamachi has really built out their administrative software nicely, with a web 
based interface allowing me to set up various kinds of networks - hub and spoke etc.  It allows me 
to assign and unassign machines to the created networks and create new networks.  Really quite nice.

I imagine if I go to something like this I am back on my own doing that stuff.  OTOH it is probably 
more secure since there is no central server to hack to worm your way into my networks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:39:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:39:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Are you using OpenVM?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 09:54:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:54:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <872EB9CF759047E893D605FA61F3DAD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

John:

Yes... 

We will be doing some travelling at the end of the week and we would like to
have access to the extended network. My daughters and Son-in-Law (systems
supports, animator and web-site designer (and doll maker)) will be coming
along later and they will need access to their systems as well. 

As soon as I turn on the VPN the extended network appears as if we never
left home, it becomes one ...all the ip and loggins are the same. The only
difference is speed of course. One day we will have fiber-optic cabling but
until then...

I have not purchased the full LogMeIn version but use the free version and
of course their Hamachi, for backup.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:39 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security

Jim,

Are you using OpenVM?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection
which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/
and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port
to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order
to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>
_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:19:06 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:19:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Stuart

Is this your command on your shortcut

C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

Me too.

Hello Alan,

you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
like hell.

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
> special entries
> in it.
>
> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit it
> quite often,
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>
> >
> > http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> > kets-l ayer/
> >
> >    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> > certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> > out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> > certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> > Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >
> > Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> > breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> > that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> > citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> > adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> > analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> > illuminating.
> >
> > At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> > modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> > system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> > security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> > want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> > that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> > wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> > default?)
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:24:09 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:24:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Hello Jim / Arthur

Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.

Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
does give you SSMS)

Mark


On 18 September 2011 07:01, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
> MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise database.
> Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.
>
> Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
>
> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
> s-advanced-server
>
> There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
> There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:46:00 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:46:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
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Hi John,

I use coretemp and I like it because I can set it to shut down when my temps
go above a certain temp.
BTW, I run my i7 at 50(idle)  70(busy) degrees C, what do you run your AMD's
at (idle and busy)

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:50, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the
> envelope.  It is OK but not great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of
> the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies in the MCM that is the
> AMD processor.
>
>
> > Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>
> No, I really don't want to go there.
>
> I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both
> sides) but for this socket they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a
> last resort.
>
> I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.
>  There is no other explanation for a 10 degree C difference between the
> sockets at idle.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating
>> issue:
>> http://www.almico.com/**speedfan.php <http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php>
>>
>> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can
>> send
>> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
>> motherboards and circuitry.
>>
>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>
>> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
>> controller, plus two amd
>> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>>
>> Plenty of heat generated there.
>>
>> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
>> motherboard area, changing to
>> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine
>> exhaust
>> fans.  They are loud but
>> pull tons of air out of the case.
>>
>> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
>> 120mm fan on those.  That
>> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>>
>> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
>> degrees C hotter than the
>> other.  Something wrong there.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>
>>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>>> temperature of the cores below
>>> where it would blue screen.
>>>
>>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>>
>>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>>> slowly.  For example I opened
>>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to
>>> drop
>>> down.  After that things
>>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>>
>>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>>> resources for SSMS, or
>>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>>> this case it is running a
>>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>>> those 7 fields) to another
>>> database / table.
>>>
>>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>>> million records, rotating
>>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>>> records do have to be
>>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:49:42 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:49:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
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Hello All,

I have to install a checkpoint client to gain access to a customers network.

Unfortunately, when the checkpoint client is installed, it blocks all
incoming traffic to my main machine.  Even stopping the service is no help.

Does anyone have any idea how I can work around that?  I presume Checkpoint
are clever guys and there is not an easy way to open my machine up.

Even on My Lan, I cannot access files, or RDP or SQL server.

thanks
Mark


On 18 September 2011 15:54, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> John:
>
> Yes...
>
> We will be doing some travelling at the end of the week and we would like
> to
> have access to the extended network. My daughters and Son-in-Law (systems
> supports, animator and web-site designer (and doll maker)) will be coming
> along later and they will need access to their systems as well.
>
> As soon as I turn on the VPN the extended network appears as if we never
> left home, it becomes one ...all the ip and loggins are the same. The only
> difference is speed of course. One day we will have fiber-optic cabling but
> until then...
>
> I have not purchased the full LogMeIn version but use the free version and
> of course their Hamachi, for backup.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:39 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> Jim,
>
> Are you using OpenVM?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal
> connect
> > may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection
> which
> > protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/
> and
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
> >
> > I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> > ports (and mysql as well I
> > assume).
> >
> > If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port
> to
> > the outside world
> > correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order
> to
> > directly get to the open
> > port?
> >
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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Sun Sep 18 15:25:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:25:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Mark:

I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for sure,
but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I also
have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I refuse
them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
ultra cautious about downloads.

I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
intensified my security awareness.

I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer, the
better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at least]
99:1 against.

Alan C. Lawhon
    
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
(un)Secure Sockets Layer

Hello Stuart

Is this your command on your shortcut

C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

Me too.

Hello Alan,

you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
like hell.

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
> special entries
> in it.
>
> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
it
> quite often,
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>
> >
> > http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> > kets-l ayer/
> >
> >    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> > certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> > out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> > certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> > Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >
> > Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> > breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> > that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> > citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> > adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> > analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> > illuminating.
> >
> > At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> > modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> > system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> > security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> > want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> > that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> > wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> > default?)
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 15:49:29 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:49:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hi Mark:

The old 4GB to 10GB data limit depending on which version you have access
to; only uses one of GB of RAM max and one CPU. 

If the client is not using a application that is data or user heavy then MS
SQL Express is an excellent choice. Otherwise it is either the serious
options like MS SQL or Oracle (I personally like these beast but not many
smaller businesses seem willing to anti-up) or some of the low cost
alternatives which can support all the way up to heavy load enterprises.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:24 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

Hello Jim / Arthur

Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.

Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
does give you SSMS)

Mark


On 18 September 2011 07:01, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
> MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise
database.
> Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.
>
> Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
>
>
http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
> s-advanced-server
>
> There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
> There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 16:27:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:27:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>,
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E76623A.12009.18ED5553@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Similar, but  I use Crimson Editor for working with text files. 

-- 
Stuart


On 18 Sep 2011 at 16:19, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello Stuart
> 
> Is this your command on your shortcut
> 
> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
> 
> Me too.
> 



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 18:09:40 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:09:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
Message-ID: <2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>

  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
much direct contact as possible...

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Mark:
>
> I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
> ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
> features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
> AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for sure,
> but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
> which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
> case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I also
> have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
> makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
> careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I refuse
> them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
> ultra cautious about downloads.
>
> I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
> foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
> was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
> intensified my security awareness.
>
> I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
> other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
> overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer, the
> better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at least]
> 99:1 against.
>
> Alan C. Lawhon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
> (un)Secure Sockets Layer
>
> Hello Stuart
>
> Is this your command on your shortcut
>
> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
>
> Me too.
>
> Hello Alan,
>
> you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
> and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
> RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
> like hell.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
>> special entries
>> in it.
>>
>> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
> it
>> quite often,
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
>>> kets-l ayer/
>>>
>>>   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
>>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
>>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
>>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
>>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
>>>
>>> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
>>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
>>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
>>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
>>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
>>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
>>> illuminating.
>>>
>>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
>>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
>>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
>>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
>>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
>>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
>>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
>>> default?)
>>>
>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 19:00:17 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:00:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>

Mark,

The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has around 5 gigs of data, or at 
least their mdb containers are around that size.

The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:

1) 10 gb file size
2) 1 core maximum
3) 1 gig ram maximum

And the client has:

4) Serious money constraints today.

SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full of users but this is a 
fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the database all the time.  It just feels like a 
single core and a single gig is starting with serious limitations.

He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him into the future.  I 
proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid 
controller and 3X 120g hard drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 
5X 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have always had old ebay Dell 
servers with too little memory and too little storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to 
free up room.

We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this (otherwise) entirely 
modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If 
we can use MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for 
the database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.

Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around $10K just for those two 
things.  While we may go there next year or the year after, I want to get him moving now.  We have 
been stuck in neutral and rolling backwards for too long.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Jim / Arthur
>
> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>
> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
> does give you SSMS)
>
> Mark

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 19:29:33 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:29:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

John,

In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you MySQL and the 
phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 20:00, jwcolby wrote:

> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
> this (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of
> the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use
> MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig
> SSD partition for the database files he could have a fairly serious
> system for his company size.
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 19:47:53 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:47:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I second that.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

John,

In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
MySQL and the 
phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 20:00, jwcolby wrote:

> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
> this (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of
> the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use
> MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig
> SSD partition for the database files he could have a fairly serious
> system for his company size.
> 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 21:34:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:34:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E76AA1A.8060402@colbyconsulting.com>

I am positioning him to add another 8 cores for $250 and $100 / 8 gig DIMM.  He can add power if/as 
he needs.  He already has a 3rd part check payment database running sql server on an xp 
"workstation" box.  If we could migrate that onto this box he could turn off that other xp box.  It 
appears that SQL Server and MySQL can run on the same box.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:47 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I second that.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
> MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 21:36:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:36:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E76AABE.1070905@colbyconsulting.com>

Am I missing something?  Oracle definitely is charging for their versions but it seems that a 
"community edition" is available, still maintained and updated by the community.  With that and a 
gui it looks like I am good to go, or at least good to try.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 9:52 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
>> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
>> FreeBSD servers.
>>
>> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
>> interface.
>>
>> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
>>> concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
>>> views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
>>> that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
>>> that stuff is in "SQL Development".
>>>
>>> This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 22:17:34 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:17:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Well you make a huge assumption here, that I know squat about PHP and a web server.

I installed wampserver just fine (I guess).  At least I can click it.  But phpMyAdmin... we're 
talking right into Linux / php gobbledygeek.  untar into your webserver document root....

Yea right.  ;)


This weekend I got an XP VM up, all SPs applied.  Hamachi installed and joined to one of my 
networks.  MySQL installed and poked it with a stick.  WampServer installed and running (doing what 
I know not).  phpMyAdmin downloaded and unzipped.  And there we sit...

I'm going to bed.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 23:14:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:14:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

phpMyAdmin is part of the WAMP bundle.  There is no need to instal it separately.

Once WAMP server is running, it just sits and listens on Port 80 on your localhost (127.0.0.1) 
ready to server up pages.   Just open a browser window and type in "localhost" - you should 
see the WAMP configuration page with a link to phpMyAdmin.

Alternatively, you should also see phpMyAdmin as one of items under the WAMP icon in your 
taskbar.  Clicking on it opens a browser window pointing to the same link.

Once your browser is pointing at localhost/phpmyadmin,  you don't need to know anything 
about PHP or web servers, you just get a simple interface which lets you enter the name of a 
database and click "Create", followed by another screen which lets you add a table with fields 
which you define in the much the same  way that as you would in SQL Server Management 
Studio.  A row of buttons along the top of the browser window lets you select databases, 
modify them, run SQL commands, import/export data etc, etc.

With your knowledge of SQL Server, it should only take a couple of minutes to get the hang 
of it.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 23:17, jwcolby wrote:

> LOL.  Well you make a huge assumption here, that I know squat about
> PHP and a web server.
> 
> I installed wampserver just fine (I guess).  At least I can click it. 
> But phpMyAdmin... we're talking right into Linux / php gobbledygeek. 
> untar into your webserver document root....
> 
> Yea right.  ;)
> 
> 
> This weekend I got an XP VM up, all SPs applied.  Hamachi installed
> and joined to one of my networks.  MySQL installed and poked it with a
> stick.  WampServer installed and running (doing what I know not). 
> phpMyAdmin downloaded and unzipped.  And there we sit...
> 
> I'm going to bed.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> On 9/18/2011 8:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to
> > give you MySQL and the phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:28:11 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:28:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linux and Firefox
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjA4A4Wsupz-w55KVbo7ZkXTxRsiFTZ66wXEHeOTx5GDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion.

Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux.  Over the weekend, I
tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF.
 However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone
browser and to try a regular PC.

Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was
disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine.

To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows
desktop and set it as the desktop on the  linux installation.  Their heads
were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were
on linux :)

Mark


On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
> much direct contact as possible...
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:37:04 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:37:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind.

Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing
sums like 11 + 7 etc.

Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add
111+111

I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333.  Of course, the answer
is Six Hundred and Sixty Six
We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out
Eight hundred and Eighty Eight.  There was glee in their voices at
that stratospheric heights they were now capable of.

So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realised it
was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve
Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"

Hope you like it,

Mark

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:55:53 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:55:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The nines
are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to 9:
18, 27. 36. 45, etc.

Arthur

From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 04:19:21 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:19:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
factoring RO into their code.

Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
what I do.

But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
my opinion.



Hans-Christian




On 18 September 2011 16:09, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
> much direct contact as possible...
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
> > Mark:
> >
> > I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
> > ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
> > features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
> > AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for
> sure,
> > but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
> > which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
> > case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I
> also
> > have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
> > makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
> > careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I
> refuse
> > them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
> > ultra cautious about downloads.
> >
> > I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
> > foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
> > was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
> > intensified my security awareness.
> >
> > I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
> > other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
> > overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer,
> the
> > better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at
> least]
> > 99:1 against.
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Breen
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
> > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
> > (un)Secure Sockets Layer
> >
> > Hello Stuart
> >
> > Is this your command on your shortcut
> >
> > C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
> >
> > Me too.
> >
> > Hello Alan,
> >
> > you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts
> file
> > and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file
> being
> > RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to
> run
> > like hell.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> >
> >> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever
> need
> >> special entries
> >> in it.
> >>
> >> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
> > it
> >> quite often,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> >>> kets-l ayer/
> >>>
> >>>   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> >>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> >>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> >>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> >>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >>>
> >>> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> >>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> >>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> >>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> >>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> >>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> >>> illuminating.
> >>>
> >>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> >>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> >>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> >>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> >>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> >>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> >>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> >>> default?)
> >>>
> >>> Alan C. Lawhon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 04:31:56 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:31:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Arthur,

Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
maintained and developed by Monty & co and, quite frankly, is better in many
ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.


Hans-Christian





On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 05:24:33 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:24:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Hello All,

there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.

Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.

What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.

I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
balance security with practicalities.

With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
also acknowledges what I suggest.

Thanks
Mark




On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 05:32:36 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:32:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Hi Arthur,

Nice, I will have to show that to them this evening

thanks
Mark


On 19 September 2011 09:55, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> nines
> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> 9:
> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:42:59 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:42:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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 > So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realized it was not so simple, but 
without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"

Well isn't it?

Gotta love the young mind.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 4:37 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind.
>
> Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing
> sums like 11 + 7 etc.
>
> Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add
> 111+111
>
> I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333.  Of course, the answer
> is Six Hundred and Sixty Six
> We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out
> Eight hundred and Eighty Eight.  There was glee in their voices at
> that stratospheric heights they were now capable of.
>
> So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realised it
> was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve
> Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"
>
> Hope you like it,
>
> Mark
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>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:45:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:45:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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I run firefox and my email programs inside of a sandbox called DropMyRights.  Nothing can install 
without my intentionally going to a version not under the sandbox.  And what does run only has 
regular user privileges.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:19 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
> On 18 September 2011 16:09, Francisco Tapia<fhtapia at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>   Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
>> much direct contact as possible...
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon<lawhonac at hiwaay.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> Mark:
>>>
>>> I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
>>> ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
>>> features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
>>> AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for
>> sure,
>>> but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
>>> which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
>>> case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I
>> also
>>> have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
>>> makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
>>> careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I
>> refuse
>>> them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
>>> ultra cautious about downloads.
>>>
>>> I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
>>> foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
>>> was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
>>> intensified my security awareness.
>>>
>>> I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
>>> other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
>>> overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer,
>> the
>>> better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at
>> least]
>>> 99:1 against.
>>>
>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Breen
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
>>> (un)Secure Sockets Layer
>>>
>>> Hello Stuart
>>>
>>> Is this your command on your shortcut
>>>
>>> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> Hello Alan,
>>>
>>> you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts
>> file
>>> and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file
>> being
>>> RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to
>> run
>>> like hell.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever
>> need
>>>> special entries
>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
>>> it
>>>> quite often,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
>>>>> kets-l ayer/
>>>>>
>>>>>    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
>>>>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
>>>>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
>>>>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
>>>>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since>  than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
>>>>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
>>>>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
>>>>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
>>>>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
>>>>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
>>>>> illuminating.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
>>>>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
>>>>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
>>>>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
>>>>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
>>>>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
>>>>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
>>>>> default?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>>>
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:48:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:48:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E771DEF.9040207@colbyconsulting.com>

The problem with that is that these are average figures.  The actual loss could be in the hundreds 
of thousands of dollars, assuming you are rich enough to have that much money in a savings or stock 
account.  You lose a half million siphoned out of your stock account, but that is then averaged over 
all the people that are never hit with a loss.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>  wrote:
>
>> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
>> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
>> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
>> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
>> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
>> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
>> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
>> factoring RO into their code.
>>
>> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
>> would
>> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
>> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
>> VM,
>> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
>> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
>> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
>> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
>> and
>> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
>> environment
>> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
>> It's
>> what I do.
>>
>> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
>> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
>> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
>> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
>> too
>> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
>> my opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 19 07:29:03 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:29:03 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of	the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
Message-ID: <se7751c0.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Same here. I think some have a paranoid approach to this.

We have two major (standard) protections here: A hardware firewall and Microsoft Security Essentials.
For the last  many years I've come across one (1) incident where "something" tried to install something and MSE popped a message if I really wanted that. No thanks.
All machines including servers run with NAT and port forwarding where needed.
That is complemented with timely updates of Windows and Office. 

One additional thing is done, however, and I can highly recommend that: Advertising filters on browsers. These cost a little yearly fee per client but the advantage is huge as banners and adds are removed which is a relief (which you have to experience to grasp) for the users and removes the risk of clicking some nasty banner add ("Your computer is at risk! Press here" and a full-stop sign).

Our VOIP server was hacked once and some Middle East uglies consumed our credit calling Arabic numbers. That was a loss of about USD 60. Not much work can be done for this, indeed as it seems our admin password had been cracked by brute force. Our splendid VOIP supplier changed the account and in half an hour we were back on-air with a longer password.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 19-09-2011 12:24 >>>
Hello All,

there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.

Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.

What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.

I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
balance security with practicalities.

With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
also acknowledges what I suggest.

Thanks
Mark




On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 08:24:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:24:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E774293.9030100@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, so basically I had to click the MySQL Console (the typical black console window) which then 
asked for a password, and once entered the phpMyAdmin is a menu choice.

Thanks for you help in all this!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 12:14 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> phpMyAdmin is part of the WAMP bundle.  There is no need to instal it separately.
>
> Once WAMP server is running, it just sits and listens on Port 80 on your localhost (127.0.0.1)
> ready to server up pages.   Just open a browser window and type in "localhost" - you should
> see the WAMP configuration page with a link to phpMyAdmin.
>
> Alternatively, you should also see phpMyAdmin as one of items under the WAMP icon in your
> taskbar.  Clicking on it opens a browser window pointing to the same link.
>
> Once your browser is pointing at localhost/phpmyadmin,  you don't need to know anything
> about PHP or web servers, you just get a simple interface which lets you enter the name of a
> database and click "Create", followed by another screen which lets you add a table with fields
> which you define in the much the same  way that as you would in SQL Server Management
> Studio.  A row of buttons along the top of the browser window lets you select databases,
> modify them, run SQL commands, import/export data etc, etc.
>
> With your knowledge of SQL Server, it should only take a couple of minutes to get the hang
> of it.
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 09:28:25 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:28:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>

So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still maintained and advanced by the 
open source development community?  Is it a dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Arthur,
>
> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in many
> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
>> do
>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
>> of
>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>> vision of this product.
>>
>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>
>> Arthur

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 10:34:54 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:34:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa8YBqaerEnvKsX_ftzWJ1U7=K2dyMHtaRLqcBF9k06KA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget the 9's hand trick:

Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.

for example, 9x4

Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)

The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.

It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.

:)

David


My kids loved showing their friends this trick.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> nines
> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> 9:
> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>
> Arthur
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>
>

From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 10:36:19 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:36:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAw0-wDRRK_cYDpkm52XriT9kjSjEWJF2b=Li9pCfhHgTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.

Hans-Christian




On 19 September 2011 03:24, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> > default it should already be set to read-only and require admin
> privileges.
> > But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> > malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole
> in
> > which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for
> them
> > to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since
> this
> > is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> > factoring RO into their code.
> >
> > Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> > would
> > be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> > flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> > VM,
> > so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that
> anything
> > you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut
> it
> > down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> > from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> > and
> > run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> > environment
> > prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> > It's
> > what I do.
> >
> > But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> > appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> > have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> > don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> > too
> > many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust,
> in
> > my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans-Christian
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 10:38:54 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:38:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwmKvbz7AOApkDSNuCWjoU_JEeLD3shjXKb_L0CKtKvCw@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
the momentum these days are in nosql databases.

Hans-Christian



On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it a
> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in
>> many
>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
>>> do
>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
>>> Sun
>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>> developments,
>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
>>> of
>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>>> vision of this product.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
>>> and
>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>> have
>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 10:41:29 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:41:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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I'm stuck on 9x11...

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:34 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> > like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> > nines
> > are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> > 9:
> > 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
> >
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 10:49:20 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:49:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Does index field order matter?
Message-ID: <4E776480.5070503@colbyconsulting.com>

I have three hash fields, person, family and address.  The hashes are a datatype VarBinary(200)  I 
then inner join one table to the next on the hash person.

I have a cover index on just those three fields.  So the question is, if I am primarily joining on 
let's say the person, does it help to have the person hash be the first column in the index?  Does 
the order of the fields in the index make any difference to performance getting at the data?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 11:23:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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 > Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of the momentum these 
days are in nosql databases.

Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a good thing because the 
environment that requires those kinds of databases was under served.

Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they replace sql based 
databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases don't do a good job of handling their 
requirements.

I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases but from my reading they 
are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it a
>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better in
>>> many
>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans-Christian

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 11:30:55 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:30:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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:) Use your toes

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm stuck on 9x11...
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:34 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
> >
> > Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
> >
> > for example, 9x4
> >
> > Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> > put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
> >
> > The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> > first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
> >
> > It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication.
> I
> > > like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> > > nines
> > > are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up
> to
> > > 9:
> > > 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 11:56:23 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:56:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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When I was in high school I read a book written by a guy who spent years in a prison in some third 
world country.  With nothing to do all day he did mental math and discovered just tons of these 
kinds of tricks.  He claimed (and I was too lazy to actually learn it all) that you could multiply 
and divide huge numbers in your head using his tricks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:34 AM, David McAfee wrote:
> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
>> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
>> nines
>> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
>> 9:
>> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>>
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 12:01:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:01:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachtenberg_system


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:34 AM, David McAfee wrote:
> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
>> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
>> nines
>> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
>> 9:
>> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>>
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 12:38:09 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:38:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
= 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.

Kewl, eh?

Arthur

P.S.
This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
returned it to me.

If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 12:59:20 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:59:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Oh, I forgot to mention the notions of "number shapes". This has nothing to
do with the way we write numbers, but rather the geometric layouts of said
numbers. I'll sketch a few examples and allow you to walk the series.

1 - a dot
2 - a line
3 - a triangle
4 - a square (2*2)
5 - a pentangle
6 - a rectangle (2*3)
7 - a septangle
8 - numerous shapes including 2*4, 2*2*2 (uh oh, here comes 3D math!), 2*6

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
> Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
> = 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
> remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
> to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
> iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.
>
> Kewl, eh?
>
> Arthur
>
> P.S.
> This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
> called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
> Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
> currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
> taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
> into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
> assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
> 0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
> missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
> was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
> returned it to me.
>
> If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
> It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.
>
>

From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 13:20:54 2011
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:20:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Message-ID: <002d01cc76f8$e05cd910$a1168b30$@gmail.com>

I found:

Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes
of Nature, Art, and Science 
by Michael S. Schneider

?Pub. Date: January 1900
?Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers
?Format: Paperback , 384pp 
?Sales Rank: 85,255
?Series: Harper Perennial 
?ISBN-13: 9780060926717
?ISBN: 0060926716
..

Is this the book you are talking about?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:38 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?

I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
= 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.

Kewl, eh?

Arthur

P.S.
This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
returned it to me.

If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.
_______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 15:35:08 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:35:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Yup. This is a book both for you and your progeny. This, IMO, is a most
beautiful book, for both you and your kids.

Arthur

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found:
>
> Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes
> of Nature, Art, and Science
> by Michael S. Schneider
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 19 16:12:29 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:12:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Not in some third world country,    WW2 concentration camps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakow_Trachtenberg

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Sep 2011 at 12:56, jwcolby wrote:

> When I was in high school I read a book written by a guy who spent
> years in a prison in some third world country.  With nothing to do all
> day he did mental math and discovered just tons of these kinds of
> tricks.  He claimed (and I was too lazy to actually learn it all) that
> you could multiply and divide huge numbers in your head using his
> tricks.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 16:32:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:32:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
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Mark,

I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)

I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to get the noise and heat 
out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns 
out that by taking the end piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps 
by several degrees,

So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I managed to assign another two 
cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps up to the blue screen point.

At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a 16 core server, with 35.6 
gigs of Ram in use.

BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had built two "temp" databases 
on rotating media and was doing a process which carves out 1 million records and writes them to 
file.  It was taking about 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those 
databases to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to build 157 of 
these files for this particular job, that makes a huge difference.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I use coretemp and I like it because I can set it to shut down when my temps
> go above a certain temp.
> BTW, I run my i7 at 50(idle)  70(busy) degrees C, what do you run your AMD's
> at (idle and busy)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 22:50, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the
>> envelope.  It is OK but not great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of
>> the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies in the MCM that is the
>> AMD processor.
>>
>>
>>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>
>> No, I really don't want to go there.
>>
>> I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both
>> sides) but for this socket they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a
>> last resort.
>>
>> I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.
>>   There is no other explanation for a 10 degree C difference between the
>> sockets at idle.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John:
>>>
>>> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating
>>> issue:
>>> http://www.almico.com/**speedfan.php<http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php>
>>>
>>> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can
>>> send
>>> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
>>> motherboards and circuitry.
>>>
>>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>
>>> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
>>> controller, plus two amd
>>> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>>>
>>> Plenty of heat generated there.
>>>
>>> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
>>> motherboard area, changing to
>>> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine
>>> exhaust
>>> fans.  They are loud but
>>> pull tons of air out of the case.
>>>
>>> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
>>> 120mm fan on those.  That
>>> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>>>
>>> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
>>> degrees C hotter than the
>>> other.  Something wrong there.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>>>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>>>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>>
>>>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>>>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>>>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>>>> temperature of the cores below
>>>> where it would blue screen.
>>>>
>>>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>>>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>>>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>>>
>>>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>>>> slowly.  For example I opened
>>>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to
>>>> drop
>>>> down.  After that things
>>>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>>>> resources for SSMS, or
>>>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>>>> this case it is running a
>>>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>>>> those 7 fields) to another
>>>> database / table.
>>>>
>>>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>>>> million records, rotating
>>>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>>>> records do have to be
>>>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 16:36:34 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:36:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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LOL, I was working from a high school memory, although I should have known it was not "3rd world" 
since back in those days I didn't even know the third world existed.

And I sent that link first!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Not in some third world country,    WW2 concentration camps
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakow_Trachtenberg
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:28:35 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:28:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Hello Hans-Christian,

I am not religious about this, and I suppose I cannot disagree with most of
what you have mentioned - there are unknown costs.

The only bit that I disagree with is the "little bit".  The efforts we have
all spent over the last 20 years to protect ourselves is enormous.  It is
billions and billions of Euro.

The only real point that I was throwing out is to remind ourselves of that
and to attempt to balance the reward for that investment.

John's comments about average values are of course correct, but the message
is still valid - billions and tens or hundreds of billions spent to protect
what sometimes is only millions and tens of millions.

I just thought it was an interesting take on things.

Mark




On 19 September 2011 16:36, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
Hi Mark,

You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.

Hans-Christian

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:37:49 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:37:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Hi Gustav,

You have described exactly what I am talking about.

Basically a padlock on the door is enough to deter a casual attacker and if
it is a dedicated attacker, nothing will deter them.

When I see what Stephen (my brother) can do in minutes to most systems, I am
sure that we can never be secure and still exist in modern society.  So I do
what you do, just the basics and I KISS.

Of course, Cisco, checkpoint, McAfee, Norton will not agree with this
approach.

What they are selling is FUD

And MS are no better, the User Access Control (In my very humble opinion)
protects nobody.  The pro's turn it off and the Mom and Pop user struggle
with it for years, yet they have nothing to steal.

It is the same in the airport, millions of people inconvenienced, daily, yet
the people that they are protecting us from now seek alternate places to
wreak havoc, but poor ol' Mom and Pop are still standing inline.

My argument with my brother is not to have no security - of course not, but
to have the minimum required that is reasonably safe.

(yet he can hardly bare to contemplate what I consider minimum)

Mark






On 19 September 2011 13:29, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Same here. I think some have a paranoid approach to this.
>
> We have two major (standard) protections here: A hardware firewall and
> Microsoft Security Essentials.
> For the last  many years I've come across one (1) incident where
> "something" tried to install something and MSE popped a message if I really
> wanted that. No thanks.
> All machines including servers run with NAT and port forwarding where
> needed.
> That is complemented with timely updates of Windows and Office.
>
> One additional thing is done, however, and I can highly recommend that:
> Advertising filters on browsers. These cost a little yearly fee per client
> but the advantage is huge as banners and adds are removed which is a relief
> (which you have to experience to grasp) for the users and removes the risk
> of clicking some nasty banner add ("Your computer is at risk! Press here"
> and a full-stop sign).
>
> Our VOIP server was hacked once and some Middle East uglies consumed our
> credit calling Arabic numbers. That was a loss of about USD 60. Not much
> work can be done for this, indeed as it seems our admin password had been
> cracked by brute force. Our splendid VOIP supplier changed the account and
> in half an hour we were back on-air with a longer password.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 19-09-2011 12:24 >>>
> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> > default it should already be set to read-only and require admin
> privileges.
> > But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> > malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole
> in
> > which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for
> them
> > to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since
> this
> > is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> > factoring RO into their code.
> >
> > Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> would
> > be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> > flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> VM,
> > so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that
> anything
> > you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut
> it
> > down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> > from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> and
> > run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> environment
> > prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> It's
> > what I do.
> >
> > But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> > appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> > have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> > don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> too
> > many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust,
> in
> > my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans-Christian
>
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:49:02 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:49:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]  SSMS priority
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Hi John,

thanks for the reply,

I was working on an AMD Phenom II x4 840 for the last few days and it never
went above 19 degrees C on idle and 32 degrees C on 100% Prime95 torture
test.  Your temps are more like what I experience.

Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.

Mark


On 19 September 2011 22:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)
>
> I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to
> get the noise and heat out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood
> wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns out that by taking the end
> piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps by
> several degrees,
>
> So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I
> managed to assign another two cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps
> up to the blue screen point.
>
> At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a
> 16 core server, with 35.6 gigs of Ram in use.
>
> BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had
> built two "temp" databases on rotating media and was doing a process which
> carves out 1 million records and writes them to file.  It was taking about
> 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those databases
> to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to
> build 157 of these files for this particular job, that makes a huge
> difference.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:57:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:57:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,

Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
big.

Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?

1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
as your FE and mySQL as your BE.

Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
(need I go on) can never be.

Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
and mySQL

Mark



On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
> size.
>
> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>
> 1) 10 gb file size
> 2) 1 core maximum
> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>
> And the client has:
>
> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>
> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
> starting with serious limitations.
>
> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>
> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>
> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
> rolling backwards for too long.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>
>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>
>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>> is
>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>> version
>> does give you SSMS)
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 18:02:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:02:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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And if we would just hunt down and execute the criminals, publicly, with lots of gore, and a note 
pinned to their chest, it would come to a screeching halt.

Way cheaper than protections.

;)

The other consideration is how many infected computers would be bot-nets without such protections? 
And with the additional billion plus cpus in the bot-net how much more damage could they be doing?

Have you ever heard of Blue Frog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Frog

I was part of that solution, and it in fact worked swimmingly.  Notice what happened to the company 
and the solution.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:28 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Hans-Christian,
>
> I am not religious about this, and I suppose I cannot disagree with most of
> what you have mentioned - there are unknown costs.
>
> The only bit that I disagree with is the "little bit".  The efforts we have
> all spent over the last 20 years to protect ourselves is enormous.  It is
> billions and billions of Euro.
>
> The only real point that I was throwing out is to remind ourselves of that
> and to attempt to balance the reward for that investment.
>
> John's comments about average values are of course correct, but the message
> is still valid - billions and tens or hundreds of billions spent to protect
> what sometimes is only millions and tens of millions.
>
> I just thought it was an interesting take on things.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 16:36, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
> security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
> loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
> analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
> yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
> benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
> industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
> stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
> organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
> often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
> more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
> cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.
>
> Hans-Christian
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 18:05:20 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:05:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hello John

I 100% agree with you.

NoSql databases (Azure for eg) are so far removed from relational databases,
that they do not belong in the same comparison, even the same discussion.

I know they give you enormous scalablity, reliability and performance, but
the engineering in such an app cannot compare to what we do.  Even your
monster db's are pip squeaks compared so these beasts typically do.

In my mind, they are just stinkin' lists, and I am sticking with Ansi 92
SQL.

Mark


On 19 September 2011 17:23, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
> of the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a
> good thing because the environment that requires those kinds of databases
> was under served.
>
> Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they
> replace sql based databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases
> don't do a good job of handling their requirements.
>
> I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases
> but from my reading they are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I
> do.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>> of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 18:43:26 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
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 > Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.

Thanks Mark.  It is amazing and amazingly fun to do.  It is also very difficult.  I have a manager 
and three different supervisor classes all running threads to perform all of the pieces so that 
these records can be exported, processed through Accuzip (third party software) on a virtual 
machine, and re-imported "in parallel".  Trying to synchronize all of that is difficult, and took a 
lot of debugging to get working as well as I have.

That many threads all working at essentially the same task can be daunting especially when it comes 
time to step through code.  Each thread gets a step, in rotation which is just confusing to watch / 
step through!  It turns out you can stop threads manually to work around that but then if they are 
supposed to be doing something...

But it is fun.

Until SQl Server blue screens and all of those threads lose contact with the server.  Incredibly we 
are working through this scenario as well and causing the software to pick back up when SQl Server 
comes back up.  But in the end, with software this complex there is always something to deal with.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:49 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the reply,
>
> I was working on an AMD Phenom II x4 840 for the last few days and it never
> went above 19 degrees C on idle and 32 degrees C on 100% Prime95 torture
> test.  Your temps are more like what I experience.
>
> Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 22:32, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)
>>
>> I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to
>> get the noise and heat out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood
>> wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns out that by taking the end
>> piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps by
>> several degrees,
>>
>> So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I
>> managed to assign another two cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps
>> up to the blue screen point.
>>
>> At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a
>> 16 core server, with 35.6 gigs of Ram in use.
>>
>> BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had
>> built two "temp" databases on rotating media and was doing a process which
>> carves out 1 million records and writes them to file.  It was taking about
>> 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those databases
>> to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to
>> build 157 of these files for this particular job, that makes a huge
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 21:31:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:31:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

If I ever needed them then I would of course look much harder.  But my databases are relational, 
that is just what I do.

MySQl or a derivative is looking interesting.  I went with SQL Server because Microsoft gave me the 
tools for free.  However they did so for a reason, so that I would develop in them and then promote 
them.  I do develop in them, and I will certainly promote them when appropriate.  I think SQl Server 
is a powerful solution, and relative to oracle quite inexpensive.  But I also think that there is a 
class of company (about the size that I work with) where even SQL Server and Windows 2008 is too 
expensive.

Of course SBS is the MS answer and it is an awesome answer.  I tried to promote it in this situation 
but the requirement to be the center of their universe (the domain server) kind of killed the deal. 
  They are already set up there and are rightly reluctant to mess with something that is working.

So here we are looking for something truly cheap.  I would love to build a Linux box on their new 
hardware and run MySQL on top of that.  Unfortunately I have had bad experiences with Linux in the 
past and I just don't have the time to battle it out when the inevitable something goes wrong.

I actually tried to install to build a Linux VM using SuSE but the install on the VM failed and... 
well... I just don't have the time to battle with it.  I installed Windows XP, then MySQL community 
edition, then WampServer and I am up in a VM.

I did not try to build an Ubuntu VM.  I suppose I should try that before I fold.  I fantisized that 
I was going to go find an existing Linux VM all zipped up and ready to unzip and mount under 
Hyper-V.  So far that hasn't happened.  I am convinced they are out there, and I can find them under 
VMWare but I am wedded to Hyper-V at the moment.

Anyway I have MySQL up and running under Windows XP.  If anyone is interested I can let folks in on 
a private Hamachi network to play with it.  I am setting up to have it be the MySQL Server and I 
will try to manipulate it remotely from another machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 7:05 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John
>
> I 100% agree with you.
>
> NoSql databases (Azure for eg) are so far removed from relational databases,
> that they do not belong in the same comparison, even the same discussion.
>
> I know they give you enormous scalablity, reliability and performance, but
> the engineering in such an app cannot compare to what we do.  Even your
> monster db's are pip squeaks compared so these beasts typically do.
>
> In my mind, they are just stinkin' lists, and I am sticking with Ansi 92
> SQL.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 17:23, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>> of the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a
>> good thing because the environment that requires those kinds of databases
>> was under served.
>>
>> Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they
>> replace sql based databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases
>> don't do a good job of handling their requirements.
>>
>> I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases
>> but from my reading they are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I
>> do.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>>> of
>>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>>
>>> Hans-Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 19 22:14:27 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:14:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Excellent...Jim

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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:34 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

I am positioning him to add another 8 cores for $250 and $100 / 8 gig DIMM.
He can add power if/as 
he needs.  He already has a 3rd part check payment database running sql
server on an xp 
"workstation" box.  If we could migrate that onto this box he could turn off
that other xp box.  It 
appears that SQL Server and MySQL can run on the same box.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:47 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I second that.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
> MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 02:01:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:01:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and while
not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
investigation. My conclusions:

1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages, and
potentially millions of simultaneous hits

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com>wrote:

> John,
>
> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> > So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
> > maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
> a
> > dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> >
> >> Arthur,
> >>
> >> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
> >> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in
> >> many
> >> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
> >> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hans-Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
> definitely
> >>> do
> >>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
> >>> Sun
> >>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
> >>> developments,
> >>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
> transmutations
> >>> of
> >>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> >>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> >>> vision of this product.
> >>>
> >>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
> and
> >>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> >>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
> >>> and
> >>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
> >>> have
> >>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
> >>>
> >>> Arthur
> >>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 20 02:24:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:24:55 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL)
Message-ID: <se785c04.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur et al

Also Oracle sports a free Express version, Oracle 11g XE with these limitations: 

* Maximum database size is 11 GB  
* Maximum RAM it will use is 1 GB
* Only one instance can be installed on a single computer
* Uses only a single CPU

Here is a guide for the Windows installation (for people like JC encountering the unknown!):

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/database/InstallOracle11gXE.aspx 

Not that I have used it or intend to do so. The last time I tried (Oracle 8i?) it installed a monster suite of tools and yet you had to deal with manual editing of ora files etc. ... I felt much like JC does now facing the WAMP package. Things may have changed, I know, I'm just not ready to meet the challenge (= have no purpose for it).

/gustav


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 05:40:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:40:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Yep and yep.  The point really is that there are different problems and these NoSQL databases solve 
a specific set of problems.  Just not my set.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 3:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and while
> not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
> investigation. My conclusions:
>
> 1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
> 2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages, and
> potentially millions of simultaneous hits
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
>> a
>>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arthur,
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better in
>>>> many
>>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans-Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
>> definitely
>>>>> do
>>>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
>>>>> Sun
>>>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>>>> developments,
>>>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
>> transmutations
>>>>> of
>>>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>>>>> vision of this product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
>> and
>>>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
>>>>> and
>>>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>>>> have
>>>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 06:40:59 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:40:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

 > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.

I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't succeeded yet).  The SuSE 
install mostly just went, although in the end I was unable to get the tools installed for the 
virtual machine.  Ubuntu must have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately 
when you are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward sequence of tabs and 
enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the cursor in the right place, select text boxes 
etc.  Even then, after I managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use 
the first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or something like that.

<rant mode>

*JUST DO IT*

It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying to get the big picture 
done, not set partitions to system.

</rant mode>

So I still have no linux vm to play with.

I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just the added complexity of 
the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.

Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
> big.
>
> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>
> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>
> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
> (need I go on) can never be.
>
> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
> and mySQL
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>> size.
>>
>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>
>> 1) 10 gb file size
>> 2) 1 core maximum
>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>
>> And the client has:
>>
>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>
>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
>> starting with serious limitations.
>>
>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>
>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>>
>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 06:49:45 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

 > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL and mySQL

I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my big server where I could 
do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for 
testing but then you are restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.

Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I will not hose my server I 
will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
> big.
>
> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>
> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>
> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
> (need I go on) can never be.
>
> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
> and mySQL
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>> size.
>>
>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>
>> 1) 10 gb file size
>> 2) 1 core maximum
>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>
>> And the client has:
>>
>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>
>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
>> starting with serious limitations.
>>
>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>
>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>>
>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
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>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 07:02:05 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:02:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.  I just wanted to tell 
you that.

Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from databases to philosophy. 
  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. 
You were a most gracious host, putting up with me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Jim / Arthur
>
> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>
> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
> does give you SSMS)
>
> Mark

From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 20 13:10:37 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:10:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hi John:

The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
learning from square one, with little help or documentation.

Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old techs
with more time on their hands than money. ;-)

Jim


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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:40 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

Yep and yep.  The point really is that there are different problems and
these NoSQL databases solve 
a specific set of problems.  Just not my set.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 3:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and
while
> not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
> investigation. My conclusions:
>
> 1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
> 2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages,
and
> potentially millions of simultaneous hits
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian
Andersen<ha at phulse.com>wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
>> a
>>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arthur,
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better
in
>>>> many
>>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans-Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
>> definitely
>>>>> do
>>>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition
of
>>>>> Sun
>>>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>>>> developments,
>>>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
>> transmutations
>>>>> of
>>>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the
guiding
>>>>> vision of this product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
>> and
>>>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at
Oracle
>>>>> and
>>>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>>>> have
>>>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>
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>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 15:02:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:02:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Jim,

 > The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your data, memory and resource 
problems with effortless ease.

I have never seen anything to support that.  I also don't see anybody moving their relational 
databases to these things?  Where are you seeing this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 2:10 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
> data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
> said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
> learning from square one, with little help or documentation.
>
> Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old techs
> with more time on their hands than money. ;-)
>
> Jim

From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 20 19:23:49 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:23:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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You are living out of stream John. 

I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as it
is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
products. 

Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land
database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the old
hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.

A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.

There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields for
partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of data
filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore less
hardware.

There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.

" ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop presently
can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
 
http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/
  
Jim
   

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Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

Jim,

 > The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
data, memory and resource 
problems with effortless ease.

I have never seen anything to support that.  I also don't see anybody moving
their relational 
databases to these things?  Where are you seeing this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 2:10 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
> data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
> said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
> learning from square one, with little help or documentation.
>
> Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old
techs
> with more time on their hands than money. ;-)
>
> Jim
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 20:28:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:28:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created several years ago by then-Yahoo 
employee Doug Cutting. It has become a critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and 
Facebook ? to process their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way 
into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of commercial distributions 
and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC  and IBM.

My data is not unstructured.

Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round the last time and all they 
discussed was data captured from and displayed in web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child 
relations 12 levels deep, no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their 
data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web data) face book (web data) 
yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.

The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did doesn't make it fit everything 
out there.

 > Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land database and the 
results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. 
Before, running with the traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.

IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.

OK.

 > A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at the legislator. The 
box was supposed to take all the comments from the sessions, translate them into text and then allow 
anyone to pull the comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had been 
tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.

IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.

OK.

Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a poor fit for any task?

Hmmmm.....

I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have a programming staff of 
hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I 
am not a provincial government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many notes 
to keep track of.

So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.

OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of hours of work and it will be 
a million times faster on my same system I will pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.

I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await your delivered system.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You are living out of stream John.
>
> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as it
> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
> products.
>
> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land
> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the old
> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>
> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>
> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields for
> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of data
> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore less
> hardware.
>
> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>
> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop presently
> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>
> http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/
>
> Jim

From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 01:10:37 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:10:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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John,

At my company, we have implemented Cassandra (a NoSQL database) partitioned
under 3 nodes. Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling
that you get with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is the
sort of thing that small and large web companies look to these days.
Something that has been some what of a difficulty for RDBMS's. We do also
keep a subset if our data within a traditional RDBMS, because thats what
makes sense for that data.

It really comes down to your requirements and knowing the tools you work
with.

Hans-Christian



On 20 September 2011 18:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created
> several years ago by then-Yahoo employee Doug Cutting. It has become a
> critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and Facebook ? to process
> their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way
> into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of
> commercial distributions and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC
>  and IBM.
>
> My data is not unstructured.
>
> Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round
> the last time and all they discussed was data captured from and displayed in
> web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child relations 12 levels deep,
> no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their
> data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web
> data) face book (web data) yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.
>
> The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did
> doesn't make it fit everything out there.
>
>
> > Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
> land database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on
> any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>
> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>
> OK.
>
>
> > A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
> at the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>
> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>
> OK.
>
> Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a
> poor fit for any task?
>
> Hmmmm.....
>
> I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have
> a programming staff of hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms
> with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I am not a provincial
> government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many
> notes to keep track of.
>
> So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.
>
> OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of
> hours of work and it will be a million times faster on my same system I will
> pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.
>
> I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await
> your delivered system.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> You are living out of stream John.
>>
>> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
>> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as
>> it
>> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
>> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
>> products.
>>
>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>> land
>> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
>> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
>> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
>> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the
>> old
>> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>>
>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
>> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>
>> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
>> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
>> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
>> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields
>> for
>> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of
>> data
>> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore
>> less
>> hardware.
>>
>> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
>> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>>
>> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
>> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop
>> presently
>> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>>
>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/**lexisnexis-open-sources-its-**hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/>
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 01:29:25 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:29:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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John,

My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
the different terminology and so forth at first.

Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
"Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).

IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
present you that option during the installation process. For
instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.

But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
enough.

Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
from the command line:
# apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.

It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.

Hans-Christian




On 20 September 2011 04:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 02:05:55 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 03:05:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Well, you're way ahead of me on the experience-curve, Hans, but in general
my experience is similar. I've used Sun's VirtualBox for a while now, and
installing and running Ubuntu was a no-brainer. So far I have not followed
your advice about moving things, but I shall look into that soon. Thanks for
the tips!

Arthur

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:27:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Thanks for that Hans.

I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just 
makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.

The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging 
"what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in 
Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It 
just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning 
enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.

The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows 
network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 2:29 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
> minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
> installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
> anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
> the different terminology and so forth at first.
>
> Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
> "Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
> obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
> drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).
>
> IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
> good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
> present you that option during the installation process. For
> instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
> swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
> is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
> selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
> quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.
>
> But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
> well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
> enough.
>
> Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
> from the command line:
> # apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
> and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.
>
> It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
> know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
> infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
> 50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 04:40, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>
>> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
>> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
>> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
>> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
>> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
>> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
>> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
>> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
>> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
>> something like that.
>>
>> <rant mode>
>>
>> *JUST DO IT*
>>
>> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
>> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>>
>> </rant mode>
>>
>> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>>
>> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
>> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
>> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>>
>> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>>> big.
>>>
>>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>>> software.
>>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>>> VS2010
>>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>>
>>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>>> SQL
>>> and mySQL
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>
>>>> And the client has:
>>>>
>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>
>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>> full
>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>> the
>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>>> is
>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>
>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>>> and
>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>>> 5X
>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>
>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>> with
>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>> year
>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>> all
>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>>> is
>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>> version
>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep 21 05:41:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:41:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hans,

 >Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling that you get with NoSQL databases can 
far outweigh the cons and this is the sort of thing that *small and large web companies* look to 
these days.

So this is the company database?  The books, the clients, the invoices etc?  The kinds of things 
that you used to put in Access or SQL Server?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 2:10 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> At my company, we have implemented Cassandra (a NoSQL database) partitioned
> under 3 nodes. Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling
> that you get with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is the
> sort of thing that small and large web companies look to these days.
> Something that has been some what of a difficulty for RDBMS's. We do also
> keep a subset if our data within a traditional RDBMS, because thats what
> makes sense for that data.
>
> It really comes down to your requirements and knowing the tools you work
> with.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 18:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created
>> several years ago by then-Yahoo employee Doug Cutting. It has become a
>> critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and Facebook ? to process
>> their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way
>> into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of
>> commercial distributions and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC
>>   and IBM.
>>
>> My data is not unstructured.
>>
>> Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round
>> the last time and all they discussed was data captured from and displayed in
>> web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child relations 12 levels deep,
>> no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their
>> data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web
>> data) face book (web data) yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.
>>
>> The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did
>> doesn't make it fit everything out there.
>>
>>
>>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>> land database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on
>> any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>>
>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
>> at the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>
>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a
>> poor fit for any task?
>>
>> Hmmmm.....
>>
>> I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have
>> a programming staff of hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms
>> with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I am not a provincial
>> government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many
>> notes to keep track of.
>>
>> So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.
>>
>> OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of
>> hours of work and it will be a million times faster on my same system I will
>> pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.
>>
>> I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await
>> your delivered system.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> You are living out of stream John.
>>>
>>> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
>>> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as
>>> it
>>> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
>>> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
>>> products.
>>>
>>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>>> land
>>> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
>>> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>>> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
>>> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
>>> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the
>>> old
>>> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>>>
>>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
>>> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>>
>>> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
>>> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
>>> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
>>> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields
>>> for
>>> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of
>>> data
>>> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore
>>> less
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
>>> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>>>
>>> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
>>> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop
>>> presently
>>> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>>>
>>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/**lexisnexis-open-sources-its-**hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 12:40:43 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:40:43 -0400
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Stick with what you know, until and unless you have learned something new. I
love Linux and  more specifically Ubuntu 11.04, and on this VM I run this
baby and OpenOffice and Base (not quite an Access clone but not bad).

VMs are the safe way to play, IMO. Have tried lots of them and have
succeeded in protecting my main squeeze, which is what it's all about.

I can't help experimenting. That's just my nature. But I also like to wear
a jock-strap just in case. Hence my preference for VMs, safe sandboxes that
cannot fork with my main squeeze,

Call me a pussy but over lo these many years I have learned that you cannot,
cannot, cannot, fork with my home-baby. Sandboxes are us, as it were. If and
when it proves interesting, I might promote you to home, but not unless and
until.  Too much acid on my face for me to choose any other alternative.

Arthur

> ing.com <http://colbyconsulting.com><jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> >>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Mark,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>>> size.
>>>>>
>>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>>
>>>>> And the client has:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>>
>>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>>> full
>>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>>> the
>>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single
>>>>> gig
>>>>> is
>>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take
>>>>> him
>>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD
>>>>> 6128
>>>>> and
>>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he
>>>>> added
>>>>> 5X
>>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
>>>>> this
>>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the
>>>>> "$X
>>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>>> with
>>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>>> size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>>> year
>>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.
>>>>>>  That
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 21 16:32:00 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:32:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
Message-ID: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>

Hi John

In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory, well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es - you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control. If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of Windows.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27 >>>
Thanks for that Hans.

I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just 
makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.

The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging 
"what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in 
Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It 
just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning 
enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.

The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows 
network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

On 9/21/2011 2:29 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
> minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
> installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
> anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
> the different terminology and so forth at first.
>
> Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
> "Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
> obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
> drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).
>
> IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
> good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
> present you that option during the installation process. For
> instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
> swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
> is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
> selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
> quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.
>
> But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
> well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
> enough.
>
> Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
> from the command line:
> # apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
> and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.
>
> It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
> know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
> infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
> 50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.
>
> Hans-Christian



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep 21 17:26:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:26:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Good advice I think.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 5:32 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory, well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es - you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control. If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of Windows.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27>>>
> Thanks for that Hans.
>
> I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just
> makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.
>
> The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging
> "what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in
> Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It
> just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning
> enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.
>
> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows
> network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 20:38:33 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:38:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk> <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAyW5y-eTKnB8oAnZXOdD5zPjkh-RdLjDJN3Z3yte_+01w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.

If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you are
asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps in
the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.

I can tell you this much in advance:

MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark to
see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following link
in the meantime: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.

Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is dead
simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
you want to do, of course).

On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this), but,
typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
(especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you are
a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.

All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
that investment.

Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be a
better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
it a frustrating experience.

Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.

If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.

Good luck.


PS.
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
play with it?

Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it plays
well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how well
it integrates with AD and such?


- Hans


On 21 September 2011 15:26, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Good advice I think.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/21/2011 5:32 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you
>> have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory,
>> well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es -
>> you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time
>> necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control.
>> If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of
>> Windows.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>  jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that Hans.
>>
>> I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that
>> to this client.  It just
>> makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and
>> run MySQL and be a file server.
>>
>> The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.
>>  So there is that nagging
>> "what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows,
>> we are comfortable in
>> Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing
>> with Windows problems.  It
>> just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we
>> could spend a fortune learning
>> enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.
>>
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an
>> otherwise all windows
>> network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>  ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>

From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 21:11:13 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:11:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrJREX3yhqkN0K5c_RMmB7H=+XN_51aEo939X9BucALg@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur,

I fully endorse VirtualBox. There is nothing more gratifying than being able
to mock up a complex network of virtual machines to test something before
actually doing a real deployment. :)

I typically use Debian for the real server deployments, but Ubuntu Server
11.04 is quite a joy to use and I run it on my own personal server.

Hans-Christian




On 21 September 2011 00:05, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, you're way ahead of me on the experience-curve, Hans, but in general
> my experience is similar. I've used Sun's VirtualBox for a while now, and
> installing and running Ubuntu was a no-brainer. So far I have not followed
> your advice about moving things, but I shall look into that soon. Thanks
> for
> the tips!
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 21:30:25 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:30:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk> <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwBxBTGiAf1fEkFZ44D2fcxBYnOAhnFKcFpY_SrtgkD-w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.

If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you are
asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps in
the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.

I can tell you this much in advance:

MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark to
see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following link
in the meantime: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.

Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is dead
simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
you want to do, of course).

On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this), but,
typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
(especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you are
a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.

All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
that investment.

Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be a
better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
it a frustrating experience.

Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.

If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.

Good luck.


PS.
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
play with it?

Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it plays
well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how well
it integrates with AD and such?

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 24 14:10:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] interesting ssd SQL Server testing
Message-ID: <4E7E2B32.60008@colbyconsulting.com>


http://sqlblog.com/blogs/joe_chang/archive/2011/09/17/consumer-grade-ssds-with-sql-server.aspx

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 04:44:27 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:44:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Just thought I would share an experience with you.

My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was working,
building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.  He asked if he
could check his email.  I said work away.

Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use
for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of them overlap and are
the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did it?

In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords.
in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords
probably IE has it also, but who uses that !

No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.

So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have
saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be 100% sure you
did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure
you will not do so in the future.  remember to check all browsers on your
machine.

It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like
that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.

Mark

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 04:51:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:51:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E787DD9.9040606@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,

Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
that box.

Mark


On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
> SQL and mySQL
>
> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my
> big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I
> can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>
> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadviso**rs.com <http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **>
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
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>>
>>
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>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:23:57 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:23:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadviso**rs.com <http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **>
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:47:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:47:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,

Yes, it was a great experience for me also.

Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with someone
in real life about the technologies.

But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
experience.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 13:02, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.
>  I just wanted to tell you that.
>
> Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from
> databases to philosophy.  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland
> for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. You were a most gracious host,
> putting up with me.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>
>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>
>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>> is
>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>> version
>> does give you SSMS)
>>
>> Mark
>>
> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:51:18 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:51:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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On 26 September 2011 10:51, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
> that box.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>> > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL and mySQL
>>
>> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on
>> my big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.
>>  I can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
>> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>>
>> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
>> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:52:15 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:52:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiWm7EjgKw4_hCBc_b9=4JFtXOxusrgeKkQy6VRoKVnhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Hans-Christian,

Thank you for your detailed and interesting response to John's questions.

I have been reading on my kindle a few of the PDF's on ubuntu over the last
week or two.

One additional reason that I want to play with Linux is simply because it is
there.  I want to be part of the evolution of the linux world.  I make my
living on SQL Server and do not see a time in the near future that I can
switch, but I am enjoying learning a new technology.  It makes me feel like
in 1988 when I was learning what DIR, CD\ and Copy *.* did.

I purchased a new HP all in one office jet last Friday to replace my aging
noisy A3 laser printer.  Of course it comes with Windows software.  On the
family computer that I recently switched to Ubuntu 11.04, I sat down to
install it, wondering whether it would be possible.  I was quite surprised
when an hour later, I was scanning and printing wirelessly from Ubuntu to a
shiny new HP scanner.

Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few
ultra cheap pc's?  AMD Dual Core Athlon, 1 GB Ram, smallest disk I can buy,
cheap and nasty case with integrated PSU and then installed Ubuntu.  The
whole machine costs approx ?130 - ?150.  I am imaging the saving on hardware
and software a company could make with 10 or 20 non-power users.  The
performance was absolutely perfect BTW, as good as my i7 with Win7 that cost
well over ?1000.


Mark



On 22 September 2011 02:38, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
> Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.
>
> If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you
> are
> asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
> distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
> straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps
> in
> the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
> take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
> you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
> in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
> experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.
>
> I can tell you this much in advance:
>
> MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
> Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
> don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
> interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark
> to
> see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following
> link
> in the meantime:
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
> If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
> decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
> recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
> XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
> alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
> you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
> contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
> and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
> balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
> only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.
>
> Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
> sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
> simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
> Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
> and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
> complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
> joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
> respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
> advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
> different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is
> dead
> simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
> you want to do, of course).
>
> On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this),
> but,
> typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
> have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
> down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
> of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
> more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
> principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
> background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
> Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
> (especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
> more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
> networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
> catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
> keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
> then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you
> are
> a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
> very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
> forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
> for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.
>
> All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
> need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
> that investment.
>
> Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
> a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
> Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be
> a
> better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
> with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
> Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
> or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
> as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
> sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
> don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
> hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
> Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
> thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
> easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
> but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
> always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
> are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
> it a frustrating experience.
>
> Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
> Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.
>
> If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
> questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
> who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
> returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
> with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> PS.
> >> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
> an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
> play with it?
>
> Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it
> plays
> well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how
> well
> it integrates with AD and such?
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:53:07 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:53:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
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Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Sep 26 05:58:02 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:58:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
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	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
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http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html


Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 26 September 2011 11:53
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL

Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 06:07:02 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:07:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL
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That's the main reason why Monty has started  a new fork of the original
MySQL. I think that I'm going to drop MySQL and stick with Monty. He is
determined to keep his fork open, and also promises to stay abreast of MySQL
version to version. His new version is called Mariadb (he likes to name his
software after his daughters). You can get everything from askmonty.org.

Arthur

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>
> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html
>
>
> Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?
>
> Martin
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 06:40:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:40:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
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LOL, yea Firefox does the same thing.  Not only that but each password is associated with the 
username and web site.  so the list says Website, Username, password.  Pretty much a shopping list 
of where to go and how to get in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 5:44 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Just thought I would share an experience with you.
>
> My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was working,
> building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.  He asked if he
> could check his email.  I said work away.
>
> Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use
> for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of them overlap and are
> the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did it?
>
> In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords.
> in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords
> probably IE has it also, but who uses that !
>
> No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.
>
> So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have
> saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be 100% sure you
> did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure
> you will not do so in the future.  remember to check all browsers on your
> machine.
>
> It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like
> that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.
>
> Mark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 06:59:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:59:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Cheap computers
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 > Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few ultra cheap pc's?

AMD's new generation of integrated CPU/GPU will give even more power for cheap.  The cores are 
essentially the same as the current gen AMD cores but the graphics processors are extremely powerful.

BTW I have just ordered a pair of seagate momentus xt hybrids and a Windows 7 family pack to upgrade 
my wife's and my laptops.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST95005620AS-Bare/dp/B
003NSBF32/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1316863239&sr=1-1

These specific disks have a long history of problems but Seagate appears to be aggressively 
addressing the issues trying to work the kinks out.  It seems that they are now generally problem 
free and they seem to work well for what they do - speeding up system and program startup.

I am hoping that between the disk and Windows 7, I can get a couple of more years out of these laptops.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 6:52 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Hans-Christian,
>
> Thank you for your detailed and interesting response to John's questions.
>
> I have been reading on my kindle a few of the PDF's on ubuntu over the last
> week or two.
>
> One additional reason that I want to play with Linux is simply because it is
> there.  I want to be part of the evolution of the linux world.  I make my
> living on SQL Server and do not see a time in the near future that I can
> switch, but I am enjoying learning a new technology.  It makes me feel like
> in 1988 when I was learning what DIR, CD\ and Copy *.* did.
>
> I purchased a new HP all in one office jet last Friday to replace my aging
> noisy A3 laser printer.  Of course it comes with Windows software.  On the
> family computer that I recently switched to Ubuntu 11.04, I sat down to
> install it, wondering whether it would be possible.  I was quite surprised
> when an hour later, I was scanning and printing wirelessly from Ubuntu to a
> shiny new HP scanner.
>
> Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few
> ultra cheap pc's?  AMD Dual Core Athlon, 1 GB Ram, smallest disk I can buy,
> cheap and nasty case with integrated PSU and then installed Ubuntu.  The
> whole machine costs approx ?130 - ?150.  I am imaging the saving on hardware
> and software a company could make with 10 or 20 non-power users.  The
> performance was absolutely perfect BTW, as good as my i7 with Win7 that cost
> well over ?1000.
>
>
> Mark

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 07:01:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:01:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

 > Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on that box.

At this point I would not either. My understanding is that they will play together but it would be 
purely play (benchmarks), no business reason to do so.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 5:51 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
> that box.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL and mySQL
>>
>> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my
>> big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I
>> can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
>> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>>
>> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
>> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>>> big.
>>>
>>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>>> software.
>>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>>> VS2010
>>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>>
>>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>>> SQL
>>> and mySQL
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>
>>>> And the client has:
>>>>
>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>
>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>> full
>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>> the
>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>>> is
>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>
>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>>> and
>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>>> 5X
>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>
>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>> with
>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>> year
>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>> all
>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>>> is
>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>> version
>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>   ______________________________****_________________
>>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadviso**rs.com<http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>>> **>
>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   ______________________________**_________________
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 07:03:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:03:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
In-Reply-To: <4E8064C8.7010006@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E8064C8.7010006@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E806A0D.20908.1B82AA33@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Which is why I never save bank etc logins in my browser.

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Sep 2011 at 7:40, jwcolby wrote:

> LOL, yea Firefox does the same thing.  Not only that but each password
> is associated with the username and web site.  so the list says
> Website, Username, password.  Pretty much a shopping list of where to
> go and how to get in.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> On 9/26/2011 5:44 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Just thought I would share an experience with you.
> >
> > My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was
> > working, building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.
> >  He asked if he could check his email.  I said work away.
> >
> > Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords
> > that I use for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of
> > them overlap and are the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did
> > it?
> >
> > In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved
> > passwords. in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved
> > passwords probably IE has it also, but who uses that !
> >
> > No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.
> >
> > So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only
> > have saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be
> > 100% sure you did not accidentally save one of your important
> > passwords? Can you be sure you will not do so in the future. 
> > remember to check all browsers on your machine.
> >
> > It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my
> > passwords like that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 07:04:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:04:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqVpWVwdWczMscBYhL6hVNK0cYNAF6gS8vF8j8qN+KNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<CAEPJO1hqVpWVwdWczMscBYhL6hVNK0cYNAF6gS8vF8j8qN+KNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E806A4F.7090703@colbyconsulting.com>

If I go there I will probably do likewise.  I kind of assumed that the community version would 
continue development but perhaps MariaDb has become that development track.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 7:07 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> That's the main reason why Monty has started  a new fork of the original
> MySQL. I think that I'm going to drop MySQL and stick with Monty. He is
> determined to keep his fork open, and also promises to stay abreast of MySQL
> version to version. His new version is called Mariadb (he likes to name his
> software after his daughters). You can get everything from askmonty.org.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Martin Reid<mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html
>>
>>
>> Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?
>>
>> Martin
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 13:44:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:44:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we drove up the the Grand 
Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.

ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...

I can see how that might be a life changing experience!

;)

The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.

It was a good time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>
> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with someone
> in real life about the technologies.
>
> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
> experience.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 13:02, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.
>>   I just wanted to tell you that.
>>
>> Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from
>> databases to philosophy.  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland
>> for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. You were a most gracious host,
>> putting up with me.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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> dba-SQLServer mailing list
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 15:12:35 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:12:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>

Pictures available here...

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/myfamilyphotos.asp

GK

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.
>
> ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...
>
> I can see how that might be a life changing experience!
>
> ;)
>
> The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.
>
> It was a good time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>>
>> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with
>> someone
>> in real life about the technologies.
>>
>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference. ?For me, that was a life changing
>> experience.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 15:39:30 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:39:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>	<4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E80E302.3000600@colbyconsulting.com>

OMG I was a young man then.  Well.. younger... ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 4:12 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
> Pictures available here...
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/myfamilyphotos.asp
>
> GK
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.
>>
>> ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...
>>
>> I can see how that might be a life changing experience!
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.
>>
>> It was a good time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>>>
>>> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with
>>> someone
>>> in real life about the technologies.
>>>
>>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 19:32:25 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8A94BC1EFFDF4FBEAF0CCD0CFB9F7FC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very sad...but not unexpected.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:58 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL


http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions
.html


Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 26 September 2011 11:53
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL

Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu
must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when
you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use
the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 02:57:38 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:57:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  Joining temp tables in SPROC
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChTHM8wAxkmXV8C49fJr2hZ9gOrywd65KEh9vqWdMKQKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110830084330.FOET6405.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAP+kXmaw7W17cZE3vGu5ZEJZD7e7xfDR-gAjADkrrb6rdV-4xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110830194439.XYME13922.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAGXtTCjGrCgVks7JrG2gCR=jK+Dwtiwhdq2RFmzytp7aghJwxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmZ8WmfWoeYN=-H=-b69DjfmCD99-nodr-7uCt2YJZWhAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCh13jaXc4c9rHVA2bfZRHyoBwoxG2yCVpzam=cKqR4Oqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaPJ_1O1LnaHL=orXAwQwKjUCpfBmSSoRZrSqKzBQAzXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTChTHM8wAxkmXV8C49fJr2hZ9gOrywd65KEh9vqWdMKQKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgoLMyVtOXFZn-VkEieEc8Z3Ac=SJLxCnLSm0WsCgk4RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Francisco,

I spent an hour or two yesterday morning working on my script, and I have to
avoid temptation this morning to do the same.

However, I cannot wait to try to implement your examples where.

To further extend the exercise, I discovered yesterday that I may have
multiple occurrences of the search string, and I need to capture each
occurrence.  Yesterday morning, I was experimenting with finding a column
where the string exists and then using a while loop to and charindex to
search for all occurrences.  Does that sound right to you?

Thanks for the articles, I will work on them and post back my results when I
have something useful to post.

Mark



On 31 August 2011 17:07, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote up a script that leverages another developer's solution, I co-wrote
> this article with Susan Harkins...
>
> http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954?pf=true
>
> maybe you can extend or improve on what i've done to help leverage, I'm not
> sure if the link will prompt you to have a free login account (i may have
> my
> browser cookies saved, if so I'll re-post the script here)
>
> http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954/1763?supportItem=1
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 10:47:01 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:47:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Joining temp tables in SPROC
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgoLMyVtOXFZn-VkEieEc8Z3Ac=SJLxCnLSm0WsCgk4RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110830084330.FOET6405.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAP+kXmaw7W17cZE3vGu5ZEJZD7e7xfDR-gAjADkrrb6rdV-4xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110830194439.XYME13922.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
	<CAGXtTCjGrCgVks7JrG2gCR=jK+Dwtiwhdq2RFmzytp7aghJwxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmZ8WmfWoeYN=-H=-b69DjfmCD99-nodr-7uCt2YJZWhAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCh13jaXc4c9rHVA2bfZRHyoBwoxG2yCVpzam=cKqR4Oqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaPJ_1O1LnaHL=orXAwQwKjUCpfBmSSoRZrSqKzBQAzXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTChTHM8wAxkmXV8C49fJr2hZ9gOrywd65KEh9vqWdMKQKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCgoLMyVtOXFZn-VkEieEc8Z3Ac=SJLxCnLSm0WsCgk4RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmb4Zasv6KOT1xAmY5RQtkS8XVgBUVyYM8=-eFu0a9At=Q@mail.gmail.com>

are you trying to find each instance of a string within a field?  if so that
is an interesting approach, let me know how it performs, I'm curious.



-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
>
> I spent an hour or two yesterday morning working on my script, and I have
> to
> avoid temptation this morning to do the same.
>
> However, I cannot wait to try to implement your examples where.
>
> To further extend the exercise, I discovered yesterday that I may have
> multiple occurrences of the search string, and I need to capture each
> occurrence.  Yesterday morning, I was experimenting with finding a column
> where the string exists and then using a while loop to and charindex to
> search for all occurrences.  Does that sound right to you?
>
> Thanks for the articles, I will work on them and post back my results when
> I
> have something useful to post.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 31 August 2011 17:07, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wrote up a script that leverages another developer's solution, I
> co-wrote
> > this article with Susan Harkins...
> >
> > http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954?pf=true
> >
> > maybe you can extend or improve on what i've done to help leverage, I'm
> not
> > sure if the link will prompt you to have a free login account (i may have
> > my
> > browser cookies saved, if so I'll re-post the script here)
> >
> > http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/42340/1954/1763?supportItem=1
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> >  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  3 10:19:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:19:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
Message-ID: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>

I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template database into another 
database.

I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the resulting tables created in 
the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql 
statement for each one?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 10:44:56 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:44:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>

A little-appreciated feature of SQL Server is the model database. Its name
describes its function. Every database you create is based on model. All the
tables, all the rows, all the sprocs, all the UDFs, all the triggers are
copied from model to your new database.

I have played with this and I love this feature. Of course, I first copied
the vanilla model to a new database called Vanilla_Model, then I imported a
number of common tables (Customers, States, Provinces, etc.) into model and
finally created a new database. Lo and behold, everything I added to model
was automagically present in the new db.

If you don't want to take this approach, you can still generate scripts
including the insert statements. Open Management Studio, open the tables
list and right-click. If you do so on the Tables list, as opposed to a given
table, you can script them all at once, into individual files or one giant
file containing everything.

HTH,
Arthur

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template
> database into another database.
>
> I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the
> resulting tables created in the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that
> or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql statement for each one?
>
>


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sat Sep  3 11:04:09 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 18:04:09 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E788F3278A464F26A86D3B7F449371F2@abpc>

You can do this using the Generate Scrip tool in SSMS.
This tool has changed slightly for version 2008 R2, which I suppose you use:
In Management Studio right click the database name -> Tasks -> Generate Scripts... Follow the wizard and use the button Advanced (on the 3. step of the wizard) to set "Types of data to script" to "Schema and data".
You can send the result to a file, to the clipboard, or to a new query window.

Asger

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I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template database into another 
database.

I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the resulting tables created in 
the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql 
statement for each one?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  3 11:11:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:11:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>

That is cool.  Now if they would allow us to create different model databases and specify a model 
when creating a new database...

I have stuff for my Access Presentation level Security System - tables with existing data and so 
forth.  I only use that for Access databases obviously.

The way I have done this in the past was to create a template with all the stuff.  Then do a 
database copy of the template to the BE that I am just starting to develop.

In this case I have existing databases where I need to graft in some more of my PLSS stuff.  IOW I 
had some of it but not all.

I am just using the import data wizard to do them for the one I am working on now.  I just thought I 
wouold build these stored procedures to allow me to create the ones missing "on demand".  the 
creation of the tables was fairly trivial but now I need to do template data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/3/2011 11:44 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> A little-appreciated feature of SQL Server is the model database. Its name
> describes its function. Every database you create is based on model. All the
> tables, all the rows, all the sprocs, all the UDFs, all the triggers are
> copied from model to your new database.
>
> I have played with this and I love this feature. Of course, I first copied
> the vanilla model to a new database called Vanilla_Model, then I imported a
> number of common tables (Customers, States, Provinces, etc.) into model and
> finally created a new database. Lo and behold, everything I added to model
> was automagically present in the new db.
>
> If you don't want to take this approach, you can still generate scripts
> including the insert statements. Open Management Studio, open the tables
> list and right-click. If you do so on the Tables list, as opposed to a given
> table, you can script them all at once, into individual files or one giant
> file containing everything.
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am building scripts (stored procedures) to create tables from a template
>> database into another database.
>>
>> I have data in these table that I need to script to be inserted into the
>> resulting tables created in the first .  Is there generic syntax to do that
>> or do I need to build a hard coded insert sql statement for each one?
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 11:50:55 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Scripting data transfers
In-Reply-To: <4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E624570.8030700@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1jbmCKnwGWEy1azFW5u=yg+DLrioURRbDHMKEEknzZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E62519E.6060404@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iqjUc83PNtOAVFunh59xh6SO00QOLp8TqMA5Ut5fkDgA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that it would be nice to have several model databases. I get around
it by creating several models, each named suitably so I can distinguish
them, then I do a quick rename before creating a db and finally rename it
back when I'm done. Not beautiful, but it works.

A.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> That is cool.  Now if they would allow us to create different model
> databases and specify a model when creating a new database...
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 16:47:19 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>

At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD containing
both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have any SQL Server
clients.

1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case something
comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know?
2. As far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
on. Is it just another name for SQL Express?
3 I'm even thinking of removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can
wait.

TIA,
Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  4 17:04:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:04:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of different version concurrently.  

If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create another default one.

CE is not the same as Express.  

CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and is an "in-process", single 
user database.  

Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server family.

It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Sep 2011 at 17:47, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD
> containing both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have
> any SQL Server clients.
> 
> 1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case
> something comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know? 2. As
> far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
> on. Is it just another name for SQL Express? 3 I'm even thinking of
> removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can wait.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 17:22:31 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:22:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. Since I have no plans to write for mobile devices, I'll just remove
that and leave the others and install Denali.

A.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of different
> version concurrently.
>
> If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create another
> default one.
>
> CE is not the same as Express.
>
> CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and is an
> "in-process", single
> user database.
>
> Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server family.
>
> It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  4 17:42:14 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E63F60A.24781.1D662C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1jFTt02_Ovcu8W+qzmmXYH2=8uyKOKo-GtXmYs_i+=J3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E63FEC6.31906.1D884B8B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

CE is not just for mobile devices,  It is MS's compeititor to SQLite.  

You can use it for "in process"  data storage/retrieval in any WIndows application.

-- 
Stuart

On 4 Sep 2011 at 18:22, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks. Since I have no plans to write for mobile devices, I'll just
> remove that and leave the others and install Denali.
> 
> A.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > SQL Server is capable of running running multiple instances of
> > different version concurrently.
> >
> > If you remove the Default Instance,  make sure that you create
> > another default one.
> >
> > CE is not the same as Express.
> >
> > CE is designed to run in a small footprint on mobile devices etc and
> > is an "in-process", single user database.
> >
> > Express is client/server the same as the rest of the SQL Server
> > family.
> >
> > It's the same as the difference beteen SQLite and MySQL.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 19:32:12 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:32:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL 2008, SQL 2008 R2, SQL Server Denali CTP3.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g0=HB=erOwSOtKwiOP105x+4Dg3xkJ31-nBd7D_rb7yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-4946246676171209615@unknownmsgid>

I haven't tried this scenario, is R2 an instance or it's own default instance?

If the latter then you can uninstall it without issues. I haven't read
about Denali, what new features are there?

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> At the moment I have the first two installed, and I burned a DVD containing
> both 32-and 64-bit Denali CTP3. At the moment I don't have any SQL Server
> clients.
>
> 1. Can I safely remove SQL 2008 and leave R2 in place, in case something
> comes up, or is R2 dependent on SQL 2008? Anyone know?
> 2. As far as I know, I have no need for SQL Compact Edition but may leave it
> on. Is it just another name for SQL Express?
> 3 I'm even thinking of removing R2 and just diving into Denali, but that can
> wait.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 12:30:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:30:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
Message-ID: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>

The other day I populated the second socket of my (AMD) server with another 8 core chip.  With cores 
to spare I decided to give compression a whirl.  I am finding a lot of stuff out there now saying 
that it reduces the I/O a ton and that if you are not cpu limited then it makes the database faster 
because more stuff fits into memory.  Basically the objective is to get as much of the stuff that is 
being actively used to stay resident in memory.

One immediate benefit is that it cuts the total size of my databases on disk roughly in half.  This 
is a good thing because I keep the major players on SSD which is expensive.  Keeping them compressed 
means that I have more room on the SSD.

When I got into this business in October 2004 I had servers with AMD single core 3.8 ghz and 4 gigs 
or RAM running x32 windows and sql server.  I was trying to run count queries on 100 gb databases 
and while it worked, it was... not fast. I would run counts that took a half hour.

Through knowledge acquired on these lists I rebuilt my database tables, learned indexing, and made 
the databases much more efficient.

Seven years later I have 16 cores and 32 gigs RAM running X64 windows and SQL server.  A year ago I 
bought 32 gigs of DDR3 1300 registered ECC ram for $1000.  Today I ordered another 32 gigs for $400.

It is incredible to me that using brute force and ignorance, I can now keep multiple largish 
databases entirely in memory.  While I have no benchmarks recorded to compare yesteryear to today, I 
am doing things in minutes or even seconds that would have taken me a half hour or even hours seven 
years ago.

These are exciting times.

BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine.  It is the only thing I have found 
that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.  My Geekbench number is 
~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server with 1/2 of the memory 
"bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).

I had 4 DIMMS and a single processor.  The processor has a 4 port memory controller.  When I added 
the new processor I redistributed the memory so that each chip had 1/2 of the memory (2 dimms) but 
in doing so I "crippled" the memory controller.  The price of memory is dropping like a rock so now 
seems like a good time to top up.  It will be interesting to see what filling out the memory 
controller does to the numbers.

I "retired" my previous server to be my VM server, and it just occurred to me that I can run 
Geekbench on that to get a comparison of my previous server against my current server.  My previous 
server is an AMD quad core with 16 gigs of RAM and the geekbench on that is 7469.



-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 12:56:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:56:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
Message-ID: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>

In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about 50% empty space in the 
database.  As these are more or less read-only databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am 
doing a dbcc ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.

I am doing something like the following:

ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (FILLFACTOR = 100, 
DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (FILLFACTOR = 100, 
DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL


In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than reorganize.  They also say 
however that the reorganize does not cause re-expansion of the database container whereas the 
rebuild does.  What I am not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.

The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.  When I am finished I get 
0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little empty space in the database.

Am I good to go here or am I missing something?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 13:12:23 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:12:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
In-Reply-To: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good to go.
A.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about
> 50% empty space in the database.  As these are more or less read-only
> databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am doing a dbcc
> ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.
>
> I am doing something like the following:
>
> ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION =
> PAGE)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
> DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>
>
> In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than
> reorganize.  They also say however that the reorganize does not cause
> re-expansion of the database container whereas the rebuild does.  What I am
> not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.
>
> The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.
>  When I am finished I get 0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little
> empty space in the database.
>
> Am I good to go here or am I missing something?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  5 13:28:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:28:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Rebuild as opposed to reorganize
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650D5C.3020208@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1iDtMCLZ52iy8=8d6ia9hv9bbtmztETMWGbiEDO-=eW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6514B8.9040204@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Arthur.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/5/2011 2:12 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Good to go.
> A.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> In the process of compressing the indexes on my tables, I end up with about
>> 50% empty space in the database.  As these are more or less read-only
>> databases, large, and reside on expensive SSD, I am doing a dbcc
>> ShrinkDatabase and then reorganizing the indexes.
>>
>> I am doing something like the following:
>>
>> ALTER TABLE [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH (DATA_COMPRESSION =
>> PAGE)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
>> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REBUILD PARTITION = ALL WITH
>> (FILLFACTOR = 100, DATA_COMPRESSION = PAGE)
>> DBCC SHRINKDATABASE (0)
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_Clustered] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>> ALTER INDEX [IX_AZUpdated] ON [dbo].[AZData] REORGANIZE PARTITION = ALL
>>
>>
>> In my reading I see people say that a rebuild is "more efficient" than
>> reorganize.  They also say however that the reorganize does not cause
>> re-expansion of the database container whereas the rebuild does.  What I am
>> not finding is whether the rebuild leaves a faster index than a reorganize.
>>
>> The tables all have a clustered index as well as any other cover indexes.
>>   When I am finished I get 0.01% fragmentation on the indexes and very little
>> empty space in the database.
>>
>> Am I good to go here or am I missing something?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>>
>>
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>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 16:27:12 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:27:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
hoop?


arg!


-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>


From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 02:45:25 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 02:45:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
Message-ID: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
users can work with different application databases with each database
attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
"instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Sep  8 02:50:47 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:50:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Alan

Have a read at

http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different users can work with different application databases with each database attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server "instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              

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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 03:58:33 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 03:58:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>

Martin:

Thanks very much!  This article cleared up a lot of confusion.  (I was
basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same
hardware can drastically curtail performance.)

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:51 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Alan

Have a read at

http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...

Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
whoever I inadvertently left out .)

 

Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
time for a Progress Report.

 

I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
single table.

 

So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
users can work with different application databases with each database
attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.

 

Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
only one operating system?)

 

It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.

 

Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
"instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
same machine or the same server?

 

Alan

              

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  8 06:56:52 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 07:56:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D4ED@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<000101cc6e05$7cbd89f0$76389dd0$@net>
Message-ID: <4E68AD84.80509@colbyconsulting.com>

 > (I was basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same hardware can 
drastically curtail performance.)

Maybe not.  Nowadays servers have many cores and gigabytes of memory.  SQL Server can be assigned 
cores and memory specifically for their use.  Assume that you have a report server that runs some 
heavy duty reports that routinely bog down the server.  By creating a server instance just for 
reporting, assigning it cores and memory, you have now isolated the effects of running those reports 
to that server instance.  Your production server is no longer bogged down with reporting duties.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/8/2011 4:58 AM, Alan Lawhon wrote:
> Martin:
>
> Thanks very much!  This article cleared up a lot of confusion.  (I was
> basically correct in surmising that running multiple instances on the same
> hardware can drastically curtail performance.)
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:51 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
>
> Alan
>
> Have a read at
>
> http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=sqlserver&seqNum=29
>
> Martin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lawhon
> Sent: 08 September 2011 08:45
> To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
>
> Stuart, Susan, Gary, John, Arthur, Francisco, Mark, Rocky, Jim, Steve (and
> whoever I inadvertently left out .)
>
>
>
> Since you guys (and Susan) will be my primary "go to" experts in the event
> that I run into a serious SQL Server problem, I thought now would be a good
> time for a Progress Report.
>
>
>
> I have just completed Section 1 (i.e. the first 80 pages) of the "Murach SQL
> Server 2008 for Developers" book.  The primary thrust of Chapter 2 was a
> basic introduction to the Management Studio and Books Online.  Chapter 3 of
> the book will begin exploring T-SQL with approximately 40 pages devoted
> exclusively to the SELECT statement and its syntax for data retrieval from a
> single table.
>
>
>
> So far, so good - no major problems - although I'm still not totally clear
> as to what (exactly) constitutes a SQL Server instance.  From the references
> I keep running across in the book (as well as in BOL), I get the impression
> that an "instance" of SQL Server implies a separate full up SQL Server
> installation on the same server or the same computer.  (This is like
> installing SQL Server twice on the same machine and assigning each
> installation its own "named instance".)  If this is correct, then different
> users can work with different application databases with each database
> attached to its own copy (or "instance") of SQL Server.  So, in theory, you
> can have two (or more) instances of SQL Server installed (and running) on
> the same machine/server with each instance attaching a different database to
> the database engine (for a specific named instance) of SQL Server.
>
>
>
> Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server editions
> installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
> you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
> installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
> only one operating system?)
>
>
>
> It must be related to overall system performance.  If you have too many
> users simultaneously accessing multiple databases attached to the same SQL
> Server database engine, response time [for all the users] will slow to a
> crawl.  By installing multiple copies (instances) of SQL Server on the same
> machine, you can attach multiple (large) databases to their own SQL Server
> instance and greatly reduce the "strain" on any one database engine.
>
>
>
> Is that what the book is talking about when it refers to SQL Server
> "instances" - multiple editions of SQL Server installed (and running) on the
> same machine or the same server?
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
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>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 11:36:48 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:36:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Why in the world you would want to have multiple full up SQL Server
> editions
> installed on the same machine is beyond me.  (It's kind of like: "Why would
> you want to have three copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
> installed on drives C:, D:, and E: of your hard disk when you really need
> only one operating system?)


A good reason of why to run multiple instances is maintenance, security and
cost.  If you are running for example Sql Server 2005 and Sql Server 2008,
you can apply all OS patches on one machine and have a smaller window of
downtime while the hardware reboots.  if all the instances are of the same
version then patching is even quicker and easier.  Security wise it's nice
to have separate instances because there are times that a particular
software vendor will want sa access and isolating them to their own instance
is nice because they don't have immediate access to the rest of the data.
Another added benefit for our team is that we've created instances that
segment our business so all sales databases run in one instance all service
db's run in another, etc.  if there is a drastic change that is required and
we need to restart the instance (seldom needed, but it happens)  then we
only need to restart the one instance.  Additionally if you are using
instances you save on licensing costs, you don't have to pay extra to have
another named instance, but you do need to watch out for how many cals you
are using (if you are running a per-processor license, then it's even better
as you don't care how many connections there are)

I hope this helps...



-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>


From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Thu Sep  8 13:27:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:27:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server Business
	Intelligence
Message-ID: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>

In reading this:

 
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/09/06/data-scientist-the-hot-new-gig-in-tec
h/

  http://tinyurl.com/3lppxzn

Fortune magazine article describing the hot new career field of "Data
Scientist," what the article outlines sounds very much like the data
warehousing and data mining topics covered in the SQL Server 70-448
("Business Intelligence") certification exam.  Is that basically what a
"Data Scientist" is - an expert in data warehousing and data mining?

Alan C. Lawhon

         



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 20:39:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:39:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>
	<CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Everything Francisco said, plus another good reason, IMO: While the typical
shop (with money) runs DEV, TEST and PROD versions of any given project,
each running on a separate server. In my income bracket, that is simply not
possible. So I fake it with instances. The same reasoning applies to
versioning. I may need a running copy of the previous version as I work on
the current version, if only for comparison.

Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep  8 21:10:30 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:10:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] So Far, So Good ...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501cc6dfb$45adf8f0$d109ead0$@net>,
	<CAP+kXmaLY6yo_XvbiR+vDDAgnBfq6gMrigL11vP6Jj+uDFCyrA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1hRFDUiab1GWL6iG-xEqoW7tWpoR2UDcOkYvn2L9tw6YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E697596.20798.32E07672@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In my experience  DEV, TEST, PROD or DEV/TEST,  PROD as separate instances on the 
same server is very common in small/medium enterprises.   Few organisations in that 
bracket, especially at the smaller end, lash out on separate development hardware.

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Sep 2011 at 21:39, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Everything Francisco said, plus another good reason, IMO: While the
> typical shop (with money) runs DEV, TEST and PROD versions of any
> given project, each running on a separate server. In my income
> bracket, that is simply not possible. So I fake it with instances. The
> same reasoning applies to versioning. I may need a running copy of the
> previous version as I work on the current version, if only for
> comparison.
> 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Sep  9 20:59:08 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:59:08 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server
	BusinessIntelligence
In-Reply-To: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>
References: <000c01cc6e54$eac21d40$c04657c0$@net>
Message-ID: <5BDA4C26E8A1425E9DAC090C2715FE9D@abpc>

Alan,
You hit a very important point.
The crucial sentence in the article is: "They need to find nuggets of truth in data and then explain it to the business leaders."
I don't know what the journalist means by a "data scientist". But let's say it's a person as described above. Then I don't think this describes a BI expert.
A BI expert can provide tools for a data scientist by creating data warehouses and OLAP cubes. But a data scientist needs to analyse the data and communicate the results. This requires a person with business knowledge and rhetorical capabilities. And a 70-448 exam obviously doesn't qualify to that. Just as business knowledge and rhetorical skills won't do for creating an efficient BI system.
Seems simple: two separate jobs. But actually it's not so.
BI experts have a very big control of the data being analysed. That's especially true when it comes to advanced tools like Analysis Services in SQL Server.
If you are used to building pivot tables in Excel on internal data tables in worksheets then you will probably be frustrated when building the pivot table on OLAP cubes from Analysis Services. You just don't have the freedom to pivot and analyse the data the way you are used to - why? because your analysis capabilities has been defined and restricted by the BI expert.
There are plenty of good reasons for this restriction (performance, business rules etc.) but bottom line is: the BI expert rules the Data scientist - unless you establish a serious and ongoing exchange of knowledge between both parts.
Asger


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Alan Lawhon
Sendt: 8. september 2011 20:27
Til: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Emne: [dba-SQLServer] Data Scientist Versus SQL Server BusinessIntelligence

In reading this:

 
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/09/06/data-scientist-the-hot-new-gig-in-tec
h/

  http://tinyurl.com/3lppxzn

Fortune magazine article describing the hot new career field of "Data
Scientist," what the article outlines sounds very much like the data
warehousing and data mining topics covered in the SQL Server 70-448
("Business Intelligence") certification exam.  Is that basically what a
"Data Scientist" is - an expert in data warehousing and data mining?

Alan C. Lawhon

         

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 11 07:34:58 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:34:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>

I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ is still saying that my 
memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I have the correct sockets populated per the 
motherboard manual, 4 dimm sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.

In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008 and 13 processors and 56 
gigs assigned to SQL Server.

As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my major databases and while I 
do not know how it all works exactly but I now have enough memory to have the two databases that I 
normally pull data from for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other 
is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it is loaded off od disk 
and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that it is used, the data is uncompressed and any 
resulting data recompressed (if storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my 
readings this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.

In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data which is written back out to 
a different (order) order database.  The business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.

Thank you AMD.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
 > BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is the only thing I have found
 > that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others. My Geekbench number is
 > ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server with 1/2 of the memory
 > "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 03:03:06 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:03:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
install Office ?

Mark




On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
>
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 03:22:36 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:22:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Sproc emailed me to say I am broken
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChnDKVk9nP6T1LOz+QddAjzVFbfvzgbfeWa2hfEOsPPaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I am using a module in DNN named Dynamic Registration.  In that module, I
have a custom written sproc.  I recently deleted a column in the database
that I no longer use.

That night a user attempted to register and when he did my sproc failed, so
guess what, the module emailed me to inform me that it was now broken.

I was astonished, mostly because the notification feature worked, but also
because I had forgotten that such a feature existed.

IMO, software does not work as well as that often enough.

I was very impressed.

thanks
Mark


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 12 03:52:02 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:52:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one Access 97 database in use by third party apps.

The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C# WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I don't delete anything) 

Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio. This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a higher level.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to install Office ?

Mark


On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this hoop?
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:19:55 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:19:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>

very cool indeed!

-Francisco
<http://bit.ly/sqlthis>

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>
> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>
> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>
> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>
> Thank you AMD.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> > BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
> the only thing I have found
> > that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
> My Geekbench number is
> > ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
> with 1/2 of the memory
> > "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:23:39 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:23:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>

yeah,
  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000 jet
database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster, so I
had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really much
I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers to
show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on Friday
:-/, linking the data was just the beginning...




-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> > hoop?
> >
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:56:52 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:56:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah,
>  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000 jet
> database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster, so
> I
> had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
> but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
> much
> I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers
> to
> show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
> Friday
> :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>
>
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Francisco,
> >
> > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> > that.
> >
> > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> > install Office ?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > > machine
> > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > > Access
> > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> > support
> > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008,
> I
> > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
> this
> > > hoop?
> > >
> > >
> > > arg!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Francisco
> > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 17:19:45 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:19:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>

hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
database drivers via ssis.

I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
<http://db.tt/JeXURAx>


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > yeah,
> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
> jet
> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
> so
> > I
> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on it,
> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
> > much
> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet drivers
> > to
> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
> > Friday
> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Francisco,
> > >
> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
> know
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
> to
> > > install Office ?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> > > > machine
> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> > > > Access
> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> > > support
> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
> 2008,
> > I
> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
> > this
> > > > hoop?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > arg!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Francisco
> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> > >
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 12 21:06:03 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:06:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6EBA8B.2020502@colbyconsulting.com>

 >However CPUZ is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.

The concensus is that it has to do with the fact that it a multi-chip module.  Essentially each chip 
looks like a dual channel controller.  Each chip controls 1/2 of the dimm sockets.  Each chip gets 
at the memory for the other chip through an interconnect.  Thus there really are 4 channels but...



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/12/2011 5:19 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote:
> very cool indeed!
>
> -Francisco
> <http://bit.ly/sqlthis>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
>> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
>> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
>> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>>
>> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
>> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
>> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
>> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
>> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
>> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
>> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
>> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
>> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
>> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>>
>> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
>> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
>> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>>
>> Thank you AMD.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
>> the only thing I have found
>>> that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
>> My Geekbench number is
>>> ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
>> with 1/2 of the memory
>>> "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 12 21:11:06 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:11:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server compression
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E650719.7020301@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E6CAAF2.2090706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDAvrOHVk_i=S9e3pELk+Jt_7OrAmh1u=fkR9CwXGBdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6EBBBA.2000702@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008 and 13 processors and 
56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.

And of course that is cores, not processors.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/12/2011 5:19 PM, Francisco Tapia wrote:
> very cool indeed!
>
> -Francisco
> <http://bit.ly/sqlthis>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:34 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I dropped in 4 more dimms and my GeekBench score is now 15K.  However CPUZ
>> is still saying that my memory is dual channel instead of quad channel.  I
>> have the correct sockets populated per the motherboard manual, 4 dimm
>> sockets per cpu sockets.  I sure would like to figure that one out.
>>
>> In any event I now have 3 processors and 8 gigs assigned to Windows 2008
>> and 13 processors and 56 gigs assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> As I mentioned the other day I moved to page compression for all of my
>> major databases and while I do not know how it all works exactly but I now
>> have enough memory to have the two databases that I normally pull data from
>> for orders fit entirely into memory.  One database is 35 gigs and the other
>> is 15 gigs.  Supposedly the data is compressed and stored on disk.  Then it
>> is loaded off od disk and stored in memory compressed.  At the instant that
>> it is used, the data is uncompressed and any resulting data recompressed (if
>> storing) back into memory and from there back to disk.  From my readings
>> this requires more cpu power but less memory and less disk I/O.
>>
>> In my case I link these two databases by a KP/FK and pull sets of data
>> which is written back out to a different (order) order database.  The
>> business is very very different with cheap powerful hardware.
>>
>> Thank you AMD.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/5/2011 1:30 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> BTW I found something called GeekBench which I ran on my machine. It is
>> the only thing I have found
>>> that is a reasonable cost ($13) to give me numbers to compare to others.
>> My Geekbench number is
>>> ~13,500, and it pointed out to me that I am currently running the server
>> with 1/2 of the memory
>>> "bandwidth" I could be getting (the biggest reason I am adding more).
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 06:20:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:20:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>

I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
no idea what it means or how it works.

<sql>
DECLARE @b INT
SELECT 0 [A]
, B = 1 -- 1
, 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
, 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
, 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
, 1 - - 1 AS [F]

PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
</sql>

Results:

A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
0           1           2           0           2           2

(1 row(s) affected)

Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
certainly curious as to how it works.

TIA,
Arthur


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 11:44:04 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:44:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>

This is part of my error when I was trying to get a link back to jet, as it
turns out my server is windows 2008 R2 (64 bit) along with Sql Server 64bit
and the error I get is: when I try to use SSIS to push out a simple update
table package :-|

The requested OLE DB provider Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 is not registered --
perhaps no 64-bit provider is available.  Error code: 0x00000000.


any ideas?

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
> database drivers via ssis.
>
> I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > yeah,
>> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
>> jet
>> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
>> so
>> > I
>> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on
>> it,
>> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
>> > much
>> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet
>> drivers
>> > to
>> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
>> > Friday
>> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Francisco
>> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Francisco,
>> > >
>> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
>> know
>> > > that.
>> > >
>> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
>> to
>> > > install Office ?
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
>> > > > machine
>> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor
>> specific
>> > > > Access
>> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
>> > > support
>> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
>> 2008,
>> > I
>> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
>> > this
>> > > > hoop?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > arg!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -Francisco
>> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> > >
>>
>


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:29:01 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:29:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP+kXmZ=xgwz0s2qqP24fJSHrFwWrrA4-=RJbDzOcvfmm2BFPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiMnii10YPJyKvE0sT8=_7vZrRk4Ssk7h0jqo1Y-D=RZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmbDj+RcOJ7mUNVYgoggfSJBn7aavi0notXg+S4PJdPp6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZmydFa8rqi2FYjAtkNj=px0ecT=wqXaj4bsWM5_fT3-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmaLLBgXwivarvzG+cfbXKwp48BhbTo9Arz91LwCncNtnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP+kXmZ230v_s4AmiEZLXTPw6EbDxLY-E_EJ8jM_wVBwKfhYbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP+kXmYM5pvp11jaLTscsyrX8uhAbmeEbyPbp__PcubQzAQZMA@mail.gmail.com>

ok,
  there is a project property to set the ssis project to 32bit mode... that
seems to take care of this issue.. thanks guys :)

-Francisco
http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
 <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>




On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is part of my error when I was trying to get a link back to jet, as it
> turns out my server is windows 2008 R2 (64 bit) along with Sql Server 64bit
> and the error I get is: when I try to use SSIS to push out a simple update
> table package :-|
>
> The requested OLE DB provider Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 is not registered --
> perhaps no 64-bit provider is available.  Error code: 0x00000000.
>
>
> any ideas?
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>  <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> hmm, I hadn't thought of doing that, I certainly have access to the jet
>> database drivers via ssis.
>>
>> I'll re-work my solution to run off a ssis package instead... Thanks Dave!
>>
>>
>> -Francisco
>> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>> <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Why not SSIS/DTS once per night/hour from the MDB into the SQL DB?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > yeah,
>>> >  I meant that i'm trying to create a linked database to an Access 2000
>>> jet
>>> > database.  I wasn't able to do it from our new windows 2008 r2 cluster,
>>> so
>>> > I
>>> > had to use our 2005 system instead which does have the jet drivers on
>>> it,
>>> > but then that's a windows 2003 server as well :|,   There is not really
>>> > much
>>> > I can do but to use it this way and figure out how to get the jet
>>> drivers
>>> > to
>>> > show up in windows 2008r2, but maybe later as this project was due on
>>> > Friday
>>> > :-/, linking the data was just the beginning...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Francisco
>>> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>>> > <http://db.tt/JeXURAx>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello Francisco,
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not
>>> know
>>> > > that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want
>>> to
>>> > > install Office ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Mark
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with
>>> my
>>> > > > machine
>>> > > > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor
>>> specific
>>> > > > Access
>>> > > > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
>>> > > support
>>> > > > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on
>>> 2008,
>>> > I
>>> > > > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through
>>> > this
>>> > > > hoop?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > arg!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -Francisco
>>> > > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:34:59 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:34:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W1095B8CF965E81A3BE6DA2D2050@phx.gbl>


This 'almost' looks like examples of how to set an 'alias' to a field(A,B,C)...the rest seem to be examples of the '+' sign being used for calculations and concatenation.
 
Just my guess...
 
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 

> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:20:54 -0400
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
> 
> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
> 
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
> 
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
> 
> Results:
> 
> A B C D E F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0 1 2 0 2 2
> 
> (1 row(s) affected)
> 
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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> 
 		 	   		  

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:57:09 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:57:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=, ==, ++
and so on)


The Declaration of @b and the print of the cast do nothing
A is always going to be 0.
I modified it to use a variable, just so it was easier to change the number.
B is always going to be the test number
C will always be 1 more
D will always be 1 less
E&F will always be 1 more

DECLARE @N AS INT SET @N = 4

SELECT
0              AS A,
@N          AS B,
@N ++  1 AS C, --Think of it as: @N + (+1)
@N +-+ 1 AS D, --Think of it as: @N + (-(+1)) or @N + -1
@N -+-  1 AS E, --Think of it as: @N - (+(-1) ) or @N - -1
@N - -   1 AS F  --Think of it as: @N -(-1) same as E

--Results:
--A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
--0           0           1           -1          1           1
--0           1           2           0           2           2
--0           2           3           1           3           3
--0           3           4           2           4           4
--0           4           5           3           5           5


On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I
> have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
>
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
>
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
>
> Results:
>
> A           B           C           D           E           F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0           1           2           0           2           2
>
> (1 row(s) affected)
>
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:38:14 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:38:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>

Wel thanks for your starting pointers, but I remain confused. WTH is -+-, or
+-+? I'm recalling C syntax but even that don't cut it. (for x in y; x++)
etc. WTF is -+-  etc.? I must have fallen asleep in that seminar.
A.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=, ==, ++
> and so on)
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 13 17:28:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:28:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMhYZWadA1R-KYudbYJrGssJ0CtVypgPZxMg4C6+jYz0nreHRg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gnCHPKg_gOgZ-0PNhaFKk5Pb+S3xJUDZth9NDRGxAo-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6FD920.19745.9E712F7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Concatenation of operators.

Try variants of this in an immediate window in Access i.e:  "? 1 ++--+ 2"

It works in many programming enviroments including just about any flavour of BASIC. 


-- 
Stuart

On 13 Sep 2011 at 17:38, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Wel thanks for your starting pointers, but I remain confused. WTH is
> -+-, or +-+? I'm recalling C syntax but even that don't cut it. (for x
> in y; x++) etc. WTF is -+-  etc.? I must have fallen asleep in that
> seminar. A.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > It looks like C or Very Early SQL, which is similar to C (used !=,
> > ==, ++ and so on)
> >
> >
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Sep 13 18:29:44 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:29:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
References: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <61D4FB2F07114DFE8826F35CBEC0A8CC@abpc>

Hi Gustav,

>> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively

Don't know if this is applicable in your case. But I've noticed the same behaviour when linking an Access database to Excel: the Access database will be read only as long as Excel holds the connection.
A workaround to this is to edit the connection string in Excel and change the setting "Mode=Share Deny Write" to "Mode=Share Deny None". This will make the db full editable in Access even if it's opened in Excel.
Maybe you can make a similar setting in your app.

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 12. september 2011 10:52
Til: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...

Hi Mark

It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one Access 97 database in use by third party apps.

The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C# WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I don't delete anything) 

Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio. This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a higher level.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
Hello Francisco,

Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know that.

Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to install Office ?

Mark


On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my machine
> and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific Access
> Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't support
> the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this hoop?
>
> arg!
>
>
> -Francisco
> http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...


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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Tue Sep 13 18:38:54 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:38:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>

Arthur, et al:

Goodness!  I hope something like this doesn't show up on the 70-432 and
70-433 SQL Server certification exams ...

Alan C. Lawhon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:21 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax

I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I have
no idea what it means or how it works.

<sql>
DECLARE @b INT
SELECT 0 [A]
, B = 1 -- 1
, 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
, 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
, 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
, 1 - - 1 AS [F]

PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
</sql>

Results:

A           B           C           D           E           F
----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
0           1           2           0           2           2

(1 row(s) affected)

Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
certainly curious as to how it works.

TIA,
Arthur
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 19:27:20 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:27:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>

No. This is very old usage. Pre 7.0.

I've seen it in our old erp system.

My professor would throw stuff like that in some of our tests.

Anybody using that in a newer SQL sproc is just trying to make it look like
he's doing hard work. :)

Sent from my Droid phone.
On Sep 13, 2011 4:39 PM, "Alan Lawhon" <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> Arthur, et al:
>
> Goodness! I hope something like this doesn't show up on the 70-432 and
> 70-433 SQL Server certification exams ...
>
> Alan C. Lawhon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:21 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
>
> I just came across some T-SQL syntax that I've never seen before, and I
have
> no idea what it means or how it works.
>
> <sql>
> DECLARE @b INT
> SELECT 0 [A]
> , B = 1 -- 1
> , 1 ++ 1 AS [C]
> , 1 +-+ 1 AS [D]
> , 1 -+- 1 AS [E]
> , 1 - - 1 AS [F]
>
> PRINT 'Result: ' + CAST(@b AS VARCHAR(10))
> </sql>
>
> Results:
>
> A B C D E F
> ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
> 0 1 2 0 2 2
>
> (1 row(s) affected)
>
> Can anyone explain this? I can't think of a use for it offhand, but I'm
> certainly curious as to how it works.
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 13 20:35:25 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:35:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ioSY62OMDMtmAGdNESJJV38y4RYHxZOnNbek5wMGaBgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. 

Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux,
given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but
each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone
type interface and then there will be Windows7. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/

I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC
and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the
journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support
application. 

Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the
formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They
have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is
dead.

So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the
future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet
protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based
graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming
generations). 

It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC.

Jim  



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 13 21:18:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:18:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ioSY62OMDMtmAGdNESJJV38y4RYHxZOnNbek5wMGaBgw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<F5E34BB384684B229D40C494DED83818@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E700F07.22290.383F13@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Maybe in the US where internet access is fast and bandiwdth is cheap.   It will be many years 
before businesses in much of the world are prepared to go that way.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Sep 2011 at 18:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is
> the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of
> Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the
> PC, as we know it, is dead.
> 
> So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry,
> of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers,
> internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript,
> web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the
> forth-coming generations). 
> 
> It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC.
> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 01:32:57 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:32:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301cc726e$4cceebe0$e66cc3a0$@net>
	<CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please. I still
don't understand why or how this works.

If you have a spare moment, please explain.

A.


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 14 02:48:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:48:04 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAMhYZWZJK-nr1GpP1j2GgO8GrKX_hvYyVDDP8nx_4-09tXd=Ag@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Sep 2011 at 2:32, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please. I
> still don't understand why or how this works.
> 
> If you have a spare moment, please explain.
> 

It's actually quite simple once you dig through the obfuscation.

You don't need the DECLARE and PRINT lines at all to return the recordset in question,  
They just returning the string "Result = Null" as an "informational error message" to the 
calling application. (Null because although @b is declared, it is not initialised with a SET @b 
=....."  )

The recordset comes purely from the select part which is just using different ways of 
declaring field aliases and using concatentation of +/- operators..You get exactly the same 
recordset returned with:  

SELECT 0  AS A,
1 - (-1) AS B,
1 + (+1) AS C,
1 + (- (+1)) AS D,
1 - (+ ( -1)) AS E,
1 - (-1) AS  F

or
SELECT A = 0,
B = 1 - (-1),
C = .....

Note the field alias B is not the integer variable @b.  Using the same letter for both is just 
further obfuscation.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 14 03:08:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:08:06 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Strange syntax
In-Reply-To: <4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1hYfVuH-VXBdXWRaAwqoz_vNAH1bkfLVfO_SP+h+wCBTg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1ix_AzSeCsHx8yRx=q-iS-xO=8vcX2SS8LXBf+EBgrYMw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E705C34.3926.165B928@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E7060E6.32163.1780FCF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just noticed another cunning piece of obfuscation in there:

,B = 1 -- 1

The "--" is a comment delimiter so this is the same as

,B = 1  /* 1 */
and not
,B = 1 - (-1)

So the field B returns 1, not 2.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Sep 2011 at 17:48, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> On 14 Sep 2011 at 2:32, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > Yeah OK I get it, I'm way out of the loop. But catch me up, please.
> > I still don't understand why or how this works.
> > 
> > If you have a spare moment, please explain.
> > 
> 
> It's actually quite simple once you dig through the obfuscation.
> 
> You don't need the DECLARE and PRINT lines at all to return the
> recordset in question,  They just returning the string "Result = Null"
> as an "informational error message" to the calling application. (Null
> because although @b is declared, it is not initialised with a SET @b
> =....."  )
> 
> The recordset comes purely from the select part which is just using
> different ways of declaring field aliases and using concatentation of
> +/- operators..You get exactly the same recordset returned with:  
> 
> SELECT 0  AS A,
> 1 - (-1) AS B,
> 1 + (+1) AS C,
> 1 + (- (+1)) AS D,
> 1 - (+ ( -1)) AS E,
> 1 - (-1) AS  F
> 
> or
> SELECT A = 0,
> B = 1 - (-1),
> C = .....
> 
> Note the field alias B is not the integer variable @b.  Using the same
> letter for both is just further obfuscation.
> 
> 
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 04:28:14 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:28:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
In-Reply-To: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
References: <se6de479.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjFfsRt+3LKA9PHjQohBXOqPvKfdu7SdNScg=FdV2=n_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

so when you link them, does that mean tha in SSMS, you can write queries
against the Jet tables ?

If so, why can't you schedule a job to do the update up and down, regardless
of exclusive use.

Also, just a question, I used to use DTS a lot back in SQL 2000 days, I have
not used it too much since 2005 / 2008 / 2008 R2, but did you attempt to get
SSIS to manage the data management, it sounds like it it the type of thing
it should be used for.

thanks
Mark



On 12 September 2011 09:52, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and
> in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one
> Access 97 database in use by third party apps.
>
> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now
> the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big
> deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server
> 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C#
> WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then
> custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I
> don't delete anything)
>
> Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio.
> This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a
> higher level.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 15 05:02:04 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:02:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] linking back...
Message-ID: <se71e946.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Yes, you can see and use the JET tables in SSMS.
However, I don't use DTS for syncing as the sync process is rather complicated and I haven't used DTS previously.
Also, the client are not superusers, thus operation had to be a click of a button which I created in the app itself with a progress bar and decent success/error reporting.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:28 >>>
Hi Gustav,

so when you link them, does that mean tha in SSMS, you can write queries
against the Jet tables ?

If so, why can't you schedule a job to do the update up and down, regardless
of exclusive use.

Also, just a question, I used to use DTS a lot back in SQL 2000 days, I have
not used it too much since 2005 / 2008 / 2008 R2, but did you attempt to get
SSIS to manage the data management, it sounds like it it the type of thing
it should be used for.

thanks
Mark



On 12 September 2011 09:52, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> It certainly can, both for read and write. It is explained in the BOL and
> in daily use at one of our clients linking two Access 2.0 database and one
> Access 97 database in use by third party apps.
>
> The only thing I miss is how to open those links non-exclusively; right now
> the users have to step out of the apps using the Access databases (no big
> deal, three users only) before transfer can take place between SQL Server
> 2005 and the linked databases. The transfer is controlled from my C#
> WinForms app which uses DataTableAdapters to connect to the databases, then
> custom code performs one-way or two-way appending or updating of records (I
> don't delete anything)
>
> Another option I have yet to test is the Sync Framework of Visual Studio.
> This should take care of the table plumbing to enable you to code on a
> higher level.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 12-09-2011 10:03 >>>
> Hello Francisco,
>
> Do you mean that SQL Server can link to a Jet db?  If so, I did not know
> that.
>
> Or are you attempting something else?  I presume that you do not want to
> install Office ?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6 September 2011 22:27, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I had a grasp of this but there is something wrong with my
> machine
> > and the new sql server 2008 r2 cluster :-|.  I have a vendor specific
> Access
> > Database which I must link down to vs Upsizing, the vendor doesn't
> support
> > the upsize, but being that I'm on a new OS and the culster is on 2008, I
> > don't see the drivers for the jet engine... :-| anyone been through this
> hoop?
> >
> > arg!
> >
> >
> > -Francisco
> > http://bit.ly/sqlthis   | Tsql and More...
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 08:54:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:54:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
Message-ID: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL Server.  Just as an aside i 
had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the temperature of the cores below 
where it would blue screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows 2008R2), or more correctly 
not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very slowly.  For example I opened 
SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop down.  After that things 
took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some resources for SSMS, or 
basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In this case it is running a 
simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another 
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150 million records, rotating 
media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be 
inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Sat Sep 17 10:39:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:39:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the (un)Secure
	Sockets Layer
Message-ID: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>

 
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-sockets-l
ayer/

   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj

 

This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an out-of-cycle
security patch to eliminate the source of the phony certificates, (i.e.
DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of Internet Explorer and other
browsers.

Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security breach
were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying that this may
be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its citizens; thus
there is little (if any) chance of this breach adversely affecting users
outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his analysis of the "lax process" by
which root certificates are issued is illuminating.

At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider modifying
their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their system and
prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other security-related
vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I want to check with the
experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement that changing your "Hosts"
file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I wonder why Microsoft doesn't make
the "Hosts" file read only by default?)

Alan C. Lawhon

 

 



From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 17 12:36:08 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:36:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
To: Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
Server.  Just as an aside i 
had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
temperature of the cores below 
where it would blue screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
2008R2), or more correctly 
not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
slowly.  For example I opened 
SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
down.  After that things 
took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
resources for SSMS, or 
basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
this case it is running a 
simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
those 7 fields) to another 
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
million records, rotating 
media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
records do have to be 
inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Sep 17 13:03:04 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:03:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>

Ah - Cooling!  I discovered on my box that straight through air flow worked
a lot better.  I originally started with the OEM fan that blew straight down
onto the processor and motherboard, but temps seemed a little high.  Then I
got a CPU cooler that has tubes which are cooled by a 'radiator' assembly
with a fan attached which complemented the airflow I already had going from
front to back.  Temps went down several degrees.  That cooler cost < $50, so
it was a good buy.  You can also get two fans for those coolers which might
help.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
To: Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in
order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue
screen.

In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.

My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it
took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30
seconds which normally take a second.

Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is
currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7
fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another
database / table.

In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it
is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order,
sorted on 3 fields.

--
John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 13:43:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:43:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid controller, plus two amd 
6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.

Plenty of heat generated there.

After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the motherboard area, changing to 
thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust fans.  They are loud but 
pull tons of air out of the case.

The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a 120mm fan on those.  That 
will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.

I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10 degrees C hotter than the 
other.  Something wrong there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 13:44:23 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:44:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<000601cc7564$0c169e10$2443da30$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4E74EA87.8040403@colbyconsulting.com>

I have aftermarket heat pipe HSFs but they are just not enough by themselves.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 2:03 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Ah - Cooling!  I discovered on my box that straight through air flow worked
> a lot better.  I originally started with the OEM fan that blew straight down
> onto the processor and motherboard, but temps seemed a little high.  Then I
> got a CPU cooler that has tubes which are cooled by a 'radiator' assembly
> with a fan attached which complemented the airflow I already had going from
> front to back.  Temps went down several degrees.  That cooler cost<  $50, so
> it was a good buy.  You can also get two fans for those coolers which might
> help.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server'
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in
> order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue
> screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it
> took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30
> seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is
> currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7
> fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it
> is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order,
> sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 17 16:18:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:18:12 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need special entries 
in it.  

OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit it quite often,

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:

> 
> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> kets-l ayer/
> 
>    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> 
> 
> 
> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> 
> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> illuminating.
> 
> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> default?)
> 
> Alan C. Lawhon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 17 16:22:23 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:22:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating issue:
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can send
you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
motherboards and circuitry.

Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority

LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
controller, plus two amd 
6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.

Plenty of heat generated there.

After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
motherboard area, changing to 
thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust
fans.  They are loud but 
pull tons of air out of the case.

The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
120mm fan on those.  That 
will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.

I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
degrees C hotter than the 
other.  Something wrong there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 16:50:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:50:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E751624.6030908@colbyconsulting.com>

I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the envelope.  It is OK but not 
great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies 
in the MCM that is the AMD processor.

 > Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.

No, I really don't want to go there.

I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both sides) but for this socket 
they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a last resort.

I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.  There is no other explanation 
for a 10 degree C difference between the sockets at idle.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating issue:
> http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>
> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can send
> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
> motherboards and circuitry.
>
> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
> controller, plus two amd
> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>
> Plenty of heat generated there.
>
> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
> motherboard area, changing to
> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine exhaust
> fans.  They are loud but
> pull tons of air out of the case.
>
> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
> 120mm fan on those.  That
> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>
> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
> degrees C hotter than the
> other.  Something wrong there.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>
>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>> temperature of the cores below
>> where it would blue screen.
>>
>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>
>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>> slowly.  For example I opened
>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
>> down.  After that things
>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>
>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>> resources for SSMS, or
>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>> this case it is running a
>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>> those 7 fields) to another
>> database / table.
>>
>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>> million records, rotating
>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>> records do have to be
>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 18:24:13 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:24:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] MySQL
Message-ID: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>

Today I built a Windows XP SP3 VM (x32) and installed MySQL Community Edition.  I installed all the 
prereqs, the database and the ODBC connector.  The .Net connector refused to install due to missing 
.net 2.0 or 4.0.

I also installed the workbench.

It looks very foreign.  It is very foreign.  This is the part of new technology I hate, that first 
look - "I don't recognize a thing" feeling.

Being a vm, I have a boot drive and a data drive.  The boot is 30 gigs and the data is 60 gigs. 
Let's hope that is enough, though one would think so for small databases.

I am trying to learn enough to assist a client with evaluating MySQL for replacing his Access MDB 
data store.

For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same concept as SQL Server?  A 
file or set of files where tables, indexes, views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some 
visual designer that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like that stuff is 
in "SQL Development".

This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 17 18:51:42 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:51:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our FreeBSD servers.

I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive interface.

It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.

-- 
Stuart


On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:

> For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> 
> This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 19:05:47 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:05:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <-6782676553490107073@unknownmsgid>

If your sorting the order and the recordset is large, you may need to
ensure your tempdb is also on fast disks, what would also help on the
insert would be if there are no indexes on the target table, at least
during the insert routine.



Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:55 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL Server.  Just as an aside i had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the temperature of the cores below where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows 2008R2), or more correctly not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very slowly.  For example I opened SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop down.  After that things took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some resources for SSMS, or basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In this case it is running a simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on those 7 fields) to another database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150 million records, rotating media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The records do have to be inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 19:06:19 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:06:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>

Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Jim Lawrence <jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>
> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
> Server.  Just as an aside i
> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
> temperature of the cores below
> where it would blue screen.
>
> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
> 2008R2), or more correctly
> not assigned to SQL Server.
>
> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
> slowly.  For example I opened
> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to drop
> down.  After that things
> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>
> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
> resources for SSMS, or
> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
> this case it is running a
> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
> those 7 fields) to another
> database / table.
>
> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
> million records, rotating
> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
> records do have to be
> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 19:53:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:53:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
Message-ID: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>

I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server ports (and mysql as well I 
assume).

If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to the outside world 
correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to directly get to the open 
port?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:40:45 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:40:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <-7682953151152115108@unknownmsgid>

Correct... In fact I'd double check your firewalls port forwarding and
triggering configs along with your upnp setup just to be sure your SQL
doesn't have any direct ports from it...



Sent from my mobile

On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:54 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server ports (and mysql as well I assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to the outside world correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to directly get to the open port?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:52:34 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:52:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> FreeBSD servers.
>
> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> interface.
>
> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>
> > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> >
> > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 21:04:45 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:04:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>

Am I way too far out of the trendy loop, or has dry ice been forgotten as an
approach to such?

A.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 01:01:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:01:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise database.
Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.

Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
s-advanced-server

There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.

Jim
  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> FreeBSD servers.
>
> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> interface.
>
> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>
> > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> >
> > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
_______________________________________________
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dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 01:33:20 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:33:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security

I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
ports (and mysql as well I 
assume).

If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
the outside world 
correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
directly get to the open 
port?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:17:33 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<-881329034588461910@unknownmsgid>
	<CAEPJO1hTB_XP525oar6U_rBM7r1jyULQJakT_JJrGh3auM8x+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D34D.7090701@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Dry ice eh?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 10:04 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Am I way too far out of the trendy loop, or has dry ice been forgotten as an
> approach to such?
>
> A.
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Francisco Tapia<fhtapia at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Or a room ac unit that blows cold air at the server.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:29:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:29:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D634.4050307@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

My point is that I have not established port forwarding at the router so while the port is there to 
probe, it is not routed on to any machine, and therefore my SQL Server will not answer up.  The SQL 
Server only answers up on it's specific 5.x.x.x IP address which is assigned to specific Hamachi 
networks belonging to me.  Thus the hacker needs to have physical access to one of the handful of 
machines in the world which have Hamachi installed, and have been set up to belong to my networks.

Thanks for pointing out this OpenVPN though.  I am always looking for alternatives.  In particular 
the Wikipedia article discusses routers running Tomato or DD-Wrt which opens up the alternative of 
having my end handled by my router, though I do not currently have a router able to run those 
firmware.  But I could go get one.

I have to say that Hamachi has really built out their administrative software nicely, with a web 
based interface allowing me to set up various kinds of networks - hub and spoke etc.  It allows me 
to assign and unassign machines to the created networks and create new networks.  Really quite nice.

I imagine if I go to something like this I am back on my own doing that stuff.  OTOH it is probably 
more secure since there is no central server to hack to worm your way into my networks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 06:39:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:39:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

Are you using OpenVM?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/ and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 09:54:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:54:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <872EB9CF759047E893D605FA61F3DAD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

John:

Yes... 

We will be doing some travelling at the end of the week and we would like to
have access to the extended network. My daughters and Son-in-Law (systems
supports, animator and web-site designer (and doll maker)) will be coming
along later and they will need access to their systems as well. 

As soon as I turn on the VPN the extended network appears as if we never
left home, it becomes one ...all the ip and loggins are the same. The only
difference is speed of course. One day we will have fiber-optic cabling but
until then...

I have not purchased the full LogMeIn version but use the free version and
of course their Hamachi, for backup.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:39 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security

Jim,

Are you using OpenVM?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal connect
> may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection
which
> protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/
and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> ports (and mysql as well I
> assume).
>
> If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port
to
> the outside world
> correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order
to
> directly get to the open
> port?
>
_______________________________________________
dba-SQLServer mailing list
dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:19:06 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:19:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Stuart

Is this your command on your shortcut

C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

Me too.

Hello Alan,

you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
like hell.

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
> special entries
> in it.
>
> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit it
> quite often,
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>
> >
> > http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> > kets-l ayer/
> >
> >    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> > certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> > out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> > certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> > Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >
> > Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> > breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> > that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> > citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> > adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> > analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> > illuminating.
> >
> > At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> > modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> > system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> > security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> > want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> > that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> > wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> > default?)
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:24:09 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:24:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim / Arthur

Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.

Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
does give you SSMS)

Mark


On 18 September 2011 07:01, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
> MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise database.
> Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.
>
> Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
>
> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
> s-advanced-server
>
> There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
> There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:46:00 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:46:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <4E751624.6030908@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E77F884950C24BA49EC037337B1AC1BD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E74EA50.6040808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<17D76B4B16D548F5AA84566377A3AFF3@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E751624.6030908@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjJYq703PLxvBJufj4bHPi3vqn4EePUkXsmHnE3cRiK2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

I use coretemp and I like it because I can set it to shut down when my temps
go above a certain temp.
BTW, I run my i7 at 50(idle)  70(busy) degrees C, what do you run your AMD's
at (idle and busy)

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:50, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the
> envelope.  It is OK but not great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of
> the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies in the MCM that is the
> AMD processor.
>
>
> > Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>
> No, I really don't want to go there.
>
> I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both
> sides) but for this socket they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a
> last resort.
>
> I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.
>  There is no other explanation for a 10 degree C difference between the
> sockets at idle.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating
>> issue:
>> http://www.almico.com/**speedfan.php <http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php>
>>
>> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can
>> send
>> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
>> motherboards and circuitry.
>>
>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>
>> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
>> controller, plus two amd
>> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>>
>> Plenty of heat generated there.
>>
>> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
>> motherboard area, changing to
>> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine
>> exhaust
>> fans.  They are loud but
>> pull tons of air out of the case.
>>
>> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
>> 120mm fan on those.  That
>> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>>
>> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
>> degrees C hotter than the
>> other.  Something wrong there.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>
>>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>>> temperature of the cores below
>>> where it would blue screen.
>>>
>>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>>
>>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>>> slowly.  For example I opened
>>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to
>>> drop
>>> down.  After that things
>>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>>
>>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>>> resources for SSMS, or
>>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>>> this case it is running a
>>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>>> those 7 fields) to another
>>> database / table.
>>>
>>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>>> million records, rotating
>>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>>> records do have to be
>>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 10:49:42 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:49:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
In-Reply-To: <872EB9CF759047E893D605FA61F3DAD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E75410B.1080607@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5EB2965A83467A9F34798ADB9937FD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4E75D864.8040404@colbyconsulting.com>
	<872EB9CF759047E893D605FA61F3DAD8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgt8m0HfX0OeHi_-0ib3yd3pTCKUyzbgrcAf4xc8cjThw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have to install a checkpoint client to gain access to a customers network.

Unfortunately, when the checkpoint client is installed, it blocks all
incoming traffic to my main machine.  Even stopping the service is no help.

Does anyone have any idea how I can work around that?  I presume Checkpoint
are clever guys and there is not an easy way to open my machine up.

Even on My Lan, I cannot access files, or RDP or SQL server.

thanks
Mark


On 18 September 2011 15:54, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> John:
>
> Yes...
>
> We will be doing some travelling at the end of the week and we would like
> to
> have access to the extended network. My daughters and Son-in-Law (systems
> supports, animator and web-site designer (and doll maker)) will be coming
> along later and they will need access to their systems as well.
>
> As soon as I turn on the VPN the extended network appears as if we never
> left home, it becomes one ...all the ip and loggins are the same. The only
> difference is speed of course. One day we will have fiber-optic cabling but
> until then...
>
> I have not purchased the full LogMeIn version but use the free version and
> of course their Hamachi, for backup.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:39 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
>
> Jim,
>
> Are you using OpenVM?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 2:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > No not really...Your address that you are using for your principal
> connect
> > may be protected but Himachi but it is not like a full VPN connection
> which
> > protects all ports in and out. Check out OpenVPN at: http://openvpn.net/
> and
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:54 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Sqlserver-Dba
> > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SQL Server security
> >
> > I see logs of references to people probing ports looking for SQL Server
> > ports (and mysql as well I
> > assume).
> >
> > If I come in through a Hamachi VPN then I do not directly expose the port
> to
> > the outside world
> > correct?  IOW the hacker would need to belong to my VPN network in order
> to
> > directly get to the open
> > port?
> >
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From lawhonac at hiwaay.net  Sun Sep 18 15:25:08 2011
From: lawhonac at hiwaay.net (Alan Lawhon)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:25:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>

Mark:

I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for sure,
but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I also
have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I refuse
them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
ultra cautious about downloads.

I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
intensified my security awareness.

I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer, the
better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at least]
99:1 against.

Alan C. Lawhon
    
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
(un)Secure Sockets Layer

Hello Stuart

Is this your command on your shortcut

C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

Me too.

Hello Alan,

you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
like hell.

Mark


On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
> special entries
> in it.
>
> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
it
> quite often,
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>
> >
> > http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> > kets-l ayer/
> >
> >    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> > certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> > out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> > certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> > Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >
> > Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> > breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> > that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> > citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> > adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> > analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> > illuminating.
> >
> > At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> > modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> > system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> > security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> > want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> > that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> > wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> > default?)
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 15:49:29 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:49:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8F3742749954699A4888F2895B35A76@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Mark:

The old 4GB to 10GB data limit depending on which version you have access
to; only uses one of GB of RAM max and one CPU. 

If the client is not using a application that is data or user heavy then MS
SQL Express is an excellent choice. Otherwise it is either the serious
options like MS SQL or Oracle (I personally like these beast but not many
smaller businesses seem willing to anti-up) or some of the low cost
alternatives which can support all the way up to heavy load enterprises.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:24 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

Hello Jim / Arthur

Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.

Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
does give you SSMS)

Mark


On 18 September 2011 07:01, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
> MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise
database.
> Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.
>
> Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
>
>
http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
> s-advanced-server
>
> There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
> There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 16:27:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:27:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>,
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E76623A.12009.18ED5553@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Similar, but  I use Crimson Editor for working with text files. 

-- 
Stuart


On 18 Sep 2011 at 16:19, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello Stuart
> 
> Is this your command on your shortcut
> 
> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
> 
> Me too.
> 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 18:09:40 2011
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:09:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
Message-ID: <2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>

  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
much direct contact as possible...

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Mark:
>
> I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
> ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
> features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
> AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for sure,
> but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
> which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
> case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I also
> have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
> makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
> careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I refuse
> them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
> ultra cautious about downloads.
>
> I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
> foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
> was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
> intensified my security awareness.
>
> I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
> other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
> overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer, the
> better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at least]
> 99:1 against.
>
> Alan C. Lawhon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
> (un)Secure Sockets Layer
>
> Hello Stuart
>
> Is this your command on your shortcut
>
> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
>
> Me too.
>
> Hello Alan,
>
> you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts file
> and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file being
> RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to run
> like hell.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
>
>> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever need
>> special entries
>> in it.
>>
>> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
> it
>> quite often,
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
>>> kets-l ayer/
>>>
>>>   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
>>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
>>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
>>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
>>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
>>>
>>> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
>>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
>>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
>>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
>>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
>>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
>>> illuminating.
>>>
>>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
>>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
>>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
>>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
>>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
>>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
>>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
>>> default?)
>>>
>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 19:00:17 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:00:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>

Mark,

The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has around 5 gigs of data, or at 
least their mdb containers are around that size.

The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:

1) 10 gb file size
2) 1 core maximum
3) 1 gig ram maximum

And the client has:

4) Serious money constraints today.

SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full of users but this is a 
fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the database all the time.  It just feels like a 
single core and a single gig is starting with serious limitations.

He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him into the future.  I 
proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid 
controller and 3X 120g hard drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 
5X 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have always had old ebay Dell 
servers with too little memory and too little storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to 
free up room.

We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this (otherwise) entirely 
modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If 
we can use MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for 
the database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.

Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around $10K just for those two 
things.  While we may go there next year or the year after, I want to get him moving now.  We have 
been stuck in neutral and rolling backwards for too long.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Jim / Arthur
>
> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>
> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
> does give you SSMS)
>
> Mark


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 19:29:33 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:29:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

John,

In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you MySQL and the 
phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 20:00, jwcolby wrote:

> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
> this (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of
> the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use
> MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig
> SSD partition for the database files he could have a fairly serious
> system for his company size.
> 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 18 19:47:53 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:47:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I second that.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

John,

In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
MySQL and the 
phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 20:00, jwcolby wrote:

> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
> this (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of
> the "$X per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use
> MySQL on that with let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig
> SSD partition for the database files he could have a fairly serious
> system for his company size.
> 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 21:34:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:34:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<5DA1A7AED37B40FBB972ED3C9553EB30@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4E76AA1A.8060402@colbyconsulting.com>

I am positioning him to add another 8 cores for $250 and $100 / 8 gig DIMM.  He can add power if/as 
he needs.  He already has a 3rd part check payment database running sql server on an xp 
"workstation" box.  If we could migrate that onto this box he could turn off that other xp box.  It 
appears that SQL Server and MySQL can run on the same box.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:47 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I second that.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
> MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 21:36:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:36:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E76AABE.1070905@colbyconsulting.com>

Am I missing something?  Oracle definitely is charging for their versions but it seems that a 
"community edition" is available, still maintained and updated by the community.  With that and a 
gui it looks like I am good to go, or at least good to try.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/17/2011 9:52 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
>> I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
>> FreeBSD servers.
>>
>> I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
>> interface.
>>
>> It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
>>> concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
>>> views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
>>> that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
>>> that stuff is in "SQL Development".
>>>
>>> This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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>>
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>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 18 22:17:34 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:17:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.  Well you make a huge assumption here, that I know squat about PHP and a web server.

I installed wampserver just fine (I guess).  At least I can click it.  But phpMyAdmin... we're 
talking right into Linux / php gobbledygeek.  untar into your webserver document root....

Yea right.  ;)


This weekend I got an XP VM up, all SPs applied.  Hamachi installed and joined to one of my 
networks.  MySQL installed and poked it with a stick.  WampServer installed and running (doing what 
I know not).  phpMyAdmin downloaded and unzipped.  And there we sit...

I'm going to bed.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 18 23:14:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:14:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

phpMyAdmin is part of the WAMP bundle.  There is no need to instal it separately.

Once WAMP server is running, it just sits and listens on Port 80 on your localhost (127.0.0.1) 
ready to server up pages.   Just open a browser window and type in "localhost" - you should 
see the WAMP configuration page with a link to phpMyAdmin.

Alternatively, you should also see phpMyAdmin as one of items under the WAMP icon in your 
taskbar.  Clicking on it opens a browser window pointing to the same link.

Once your browser is pointing at localhost/phpmyadmin,  you don't need to know anything 
about PHP or web servers, you just get a simple interface which lets you enter the name of a 
database and click "Create", followed by another screen which lets you add a table with fields 
which you define in the much the same  way that as you would in SQL Server Management 
Studio.  A row of buttons along the top of the browser window lets you select databases, 
modify them, run SQL commands, import/export data etc, etc.

With your knowledge of SQL Server, it should only take a couple of minutes to get the hang 
of it.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Sep 2011 at 23:17, jwcolby wrote:

> LOL.  Well you make a huge assumption here, that I know squat about
> PHP and a web server.
> 
> I installed wampserver just fine (I guess).  At least I can click it. 
> But phpMyAdmin... we're talking right into Linux / php gobbledygeek. 
> untar into your webserver document root....
> 
> Yea right.  ;)
> 
> 
> This weekend I got an XP VM up, all SPs applied.  Hamachi installed
> and joined to one of my networks.  MySQL installed and poked it with a
> stick.  WampServer installed and running (doing what I know not). 
> phpMyAdmin downloaded and unzipped.  And there we sit...
> 
> I'm going to bed.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> On 9/18/2011 8:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to
> > give you MySQL and the phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 





From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:28:11 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:28:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Linux and Firefox
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjA4A4Wsupz-w55KVbo7ZkXTxRsiFTZ66wXEHeOTx5GDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion.

Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux.  Over the weekend, I
tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF.
 However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone
browser and to try a regular PC.

Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was
disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine.

To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows
desktop and set it as the desktop on the  linux installation.  Their heads
were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were
on linux :)

Mark


On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
> much direct contact as possible...
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:37:04 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:37:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind.

Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing
sums like 11 + 7 etc.

Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add
111+111

I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333.  Of course, the answer
is Six Hundred and Sixty Six
We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out
Eight hundred and Eighty Eight.  There was glee in their voices at
that stratospheric heights they were now capable of.

So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realised it
was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve
Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"

Hope you like it,

Mark


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 03:55:53 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:55:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The nines
are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to 9:
18, 27. 36. 45, etc.

Arthur


From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 04:19:21 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:19:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
factoring RO into their code.

Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
what I do.

But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
my opinion.



Hans-Christian




On 18 September 2011 16:09, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
> much direct contact as possible...
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon <lawhonac at hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
> > Mark:
> >
> > I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
> > ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
> > features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
> > AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for
> sure,
> > but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
> > which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
> > case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I
> also
> > have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
> > makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
> > careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I
> refuse
> > them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
> > ultra cautious about downloads.
> >
> > I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
> > foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
> > was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
> > intensified my security awareness.
> >
> > I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
> > other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
> > overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer,
> the
> > better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at
> least]
> > 99:1 against.
> >
> > Alan C. Lawhon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Breen
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
> > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
> > (un)Secure Sockets Layer
> >
> > Hello Stuart
> >
> > Is this your command on your shortcut
> >
> > C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
> >
> > Me too.
> >
> > Hello Alan,
> >
> > you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts
> file
> > and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file
> being
> > RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to
> run
> > like hell.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> >
> >> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever
> need
> >> special entries
> >> in it.
> >>
> >> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
> > it
> >> quite often,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
> >>> kets-l ayer/
> >>>
> >>>   http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
> >>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
> >>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
> >>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
> >>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
> >>>
> >>> Since > than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
> >>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
> >>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
> >>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
> >>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
> >>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
> >>> illuminating.
> >>>
> >>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
> >>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
> >>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
> >>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
> >>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
> >>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
> >>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
> >>> default?)
> >>>
> >>> Alan C. Lawhon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
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> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
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From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 04:31:56 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:31:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
maintained and developed by Monty & co and, quite frankly, is better in many
ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.


Hans-Christian





On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 05:24:33 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:24:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.

Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.

What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.

I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
balance security with practicalities.

With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
also acknowledges what I suggest.

Thanks
Mark




On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 05:32:36 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:32:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChOxxJF9s_bGpZrFNcYZYbeVhSUcRiSbaBKCG=GV3AmBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arthur,

Nice, I will have to show that to them this evening

thanks
Mark


On 19 September 2011 09:55, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> nines
> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> 9:
> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:42:59 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:42:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E771CB3.7040502@colbyconsulting.com>

 > So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realized it was not so simple, but 
without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"

Well isn't it?

Gotta love the young mind.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 4:37 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind.
>
> Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing
> sums like 11 + 7 etc.
>
> Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add
> 111+111
>
> I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333.  Of course, the answer
> is Six Hundred and Sixty Six
> We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out
> Eight hundred and Eighty Eight.  There was glee in their voices at
> that stratospheric heights they were now capable of.
>
> So next I said "OK, whats 666+666".  Rowena was silent as she realised it
> was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve
> Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth"
>
> Hope you like it,
>
> Mark
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:45:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:45:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E771D3E.7080805@colbyconsulting.com>

I run firefox and my email programs inside of a sandbox called DropMyRights.  Nothing can install 
without my intentionally going to a version not under the sandbox.  And what does run only has 
regular user privileges.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:19 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
> On 18 September 2011 16:09, Francisco Tapia<fhtapia at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>   Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine
>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly.
>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only
>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as
>> much direct contact as possible...
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lawhon<lawhonac at hiwaay.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> Mark:
>>>
>>> I have a hardware router, (the "Zoom X5" Model 5654 ADSL supplied by my
>>> ISP), AVG Internet Security, (including AVG firewall and all the other
>>> features that come with the AVG Internet Security Suite), along with
>>> AnteSpam email filtering provided by my ISP.  (I don't know this for
>> sure,
>>> but I think there might be a hardware firewall implemented in my router
>>> which blocks any "bad stuff" before it gets to my browser.  If that's the
>>> case, then I actually have two [separate] firewalls protecting me.)  I
>> also
>>> have automatic updates enabled for Windows Update.  (I suppose all this
>>> makes me very "security conscious" with my PC.)  In addition, I'm very
>>> careful about downloading "ActiveX" components - most of the time I
>> refuse
>>> them when I'm prompted.  Not sure if that's "smart" or not, but I'm being
>>> ultra cautious about downloads.
>>>
>>> I recall getting some type of virus from an email attachment that I
>>> foolishly clicked on many years ago.  Getting that virus (or whatever it
>>> was) was a nightmare getting off of my system.  That experience greatly
>>> intensified my security awareness.
>>>
>>> I have gone ahead and changed my Hosts file to read only.  With all the
>>> other security I have implemented, setting the Hosts file to RO may be
>>> overkill, but the harder I make it for a hacker to get into my computer,
>> the
>>> better.  I hope the odds of me being the victim of a hacker are [at
>> least]
>>> 99:1 against.
>>>
>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Breen
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:19 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
>>> (un)Secure Sockets Layer
>>>
>>> Hello Stuart
>>>
>>> Is this your command on your shortcut
>>>
>>> C:\Windows\system32\notepad.exe C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> Hello Alan,
>>>
>>> you could do that, but my opinion is that if someone gets to your hosts
>> file
>>> and wants to change it you have so many problems that your hosts file
>> being
>>> RO is not going to make a difference anyway.  I would suggest instead to
>> run
>>> like hell.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 September 2011 22:18, Stuart McLachlan<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a general rule, an RO hosts file makes sense. Very few people ever
>> need
>>>> special entries
>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, I have a shortcut to mine in a folder on my desktop because I edit
>>> it
>>>> quite often,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep 2011 at 10:39, Alan Lawhon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/the-sorry-tale-of-the-unsecure-soc
>>>>> kets-l ayer/
>>>>>
>>>>>    http://tinyurl.com/3z9awxj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a follow-up article to the story concerning corrupted root
>>>>> certificates which I posted last week.  Microsoft issued an
>>>>> out-of-cycle security patch to eliminate the source of the phony
>>>>> certificates, (i.e. DigiNotar), and remove the threat to users of
>>>>> Internet Explorer and other browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since>  than 99 percent of the potential "victims" of this security
>>>>> breach were located over in Iran, Woody Leonhard seems to be implying
>>>>> that this may be a case of the Government of Iran eavesdropping on its
>>>>> citizens; thus there is little (if any) chance of this breach
>>>>> adversely affecting users outside of Iran - like us.  Still, his
>>>>> analysis of the "lax process" by which root certificates are issued is
>>>>> illuminating.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of his article, Woody recommends that users consider
>>>>> modifying their "Hosts" file (to read only) in order to "lock" their
>>>>> system and prevent man-in-the-middle attacks and other
>>>>> security-related vulnerabilities.  Before I modify a system file, I
>>>>> want to check with the experts on here.  Are most of you in agreement
>>>>> that changing your "Hosts" file (to read only) is a good idea?  (I
>>>>> wonder why Microsoft doesn't make the "Hosts" file read only by
>>>>> default?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan C. Lawhon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>>>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 05:48:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:48:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E771DEF.9040207@colbyconsulting.com>

The problem with that is that these are average figures.  The actual loss could be in the hundreds 
of thousands of dollars, assuming you are rich enough to have that much money in a savings or stock 
account.  You lose a half million siphoned out of your stock account, but that is then averaged over 
all the people that are never hit with a loss.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>  wrote:
>
>> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
>> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
>> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
>> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
>> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
>> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
>> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
>> factoring RO into their code.
>>
>> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
>> would
>> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
>> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
>> VM,
>> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
>> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
>> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
>> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
>> and
>> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
>> environment
>> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
>> It's
>> what I do.
>>
>> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
>> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
>> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
>> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
>> too
>> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
>> my opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep 19 07:29:03 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:29:03 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of	the
	(un)Secure Sockets Layer
Message-ID: <se7751c0.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Same here. I think some have a paranoid approach to this.

We have two major (standard) protections here: A hardware firewall and Microsoft Security Essentials.
For the last  many years I've come across one (1) incident where "something" tried to install something and MSE popped a message if I really wanted that. No thanks.
All machines including servers run with NAT and port forwarding where needed.
That is complemented with timely updates of Windows and Office. 

One additional thing is done, however, and I can highly recommend that: Advertising filters on browsers. These cost a little yearly fee per client but the advantage is huge as banners and adds are removed which is a relief (which you have to experience to grasp) for the users and removes the risk of clicking some nasty banner add ("Your computer is at risk! Press here" and a full-stop sign).

Our VOIP server was hacked once and some Middle East uglies consumed our credit calling Arabic numbers. That was a loss of about USD 60. Not much work can be done for this, indeed as it seems our admin password had been cracked by brute force. Our splendid VOIP supplier changed the account and in half an hour we were back on-air with a longer password.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 19-09-2011 12:24 >>>
Hello All,

there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.

Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.

What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.

I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
balance security with practicalities.

With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
also acknowledges what I suggest.

Thanks
Mark




On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> default it should already be set to read-only and require admin privileges.
> But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole in
> which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for them
> to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since this
> is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> factoring RO into their code.
>
> Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment would
> be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your VM,
> so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that anything
> you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut it
> down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript and
> run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the environment
> prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking. It's
> what I do.
>
> But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far too
> many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust, in
> my opinion.
>
>
>
> Hans-Christian




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 08:24:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:24:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4E768CED.28723.19942071@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4E76B44E.1010301@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E76C19E.1556.1A61F60B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4E774293.9030100@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, so basically I had to click the MySQL Console (the typical black console window) which then 
asked for a password, and once entered the phpMyAdmin is a menu choice.

Thanks for you help in all this!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 12:14 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> phpMyAdmin is part of the WAMP bundle.  There is no need to instal it separately.
>
> Once WAMP server is running, it just sits and listens on Port 80 on your localhost (127.0.0.1)
> ready to server up pages.   Just open a browser window and type in "localhost" - you should
> see the WAMP configuration page with a link to phpMyAdmin.
>
> Alternatively, you should also see phpMyAdmin as one of items under the WAMP icon in your
> taskbar.  Clicking on it opens a browser window pointing to the same link.
>
> Once your browser is pointing at localhost/phpmyadmin,  you don't need to know anything
> about PHP or web servers, you just get a simple interface which lets you enter the name of a
> database and click "Create", followed by another screen which lets you add a table with fields
> which you define in the much the same  way that as you would in SQL Server Management
> Studio.  A row of buttons along the top of the browser window lets you select databases,
> modify them, run SQL commands, import/export data etc, etc.
>
> With your knowledge of SQL Server, it should only take a couple of minutes to get the hang
> of it.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 09:28:25 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:28:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>

So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still maintained and advanced by the 
open source development community?  Is it a dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Arthur,
>
> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in many
> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
>> do
>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
>> of
>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>> vision of this product.
>>
>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>
>> Arthur


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 10:34:54 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:34:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa8YBqaerEnvKsX_ftzWJ1U7=K2dyMHtaRLqcBF9k06KA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget the 9's hand trick:

Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.

for example, 9x4

Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)

The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.

It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.

:)

David


My kids loved showing their friends this trick.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> nines
> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> 9:
> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 10:36:19 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:36:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601cc754f$f0c76f90$d2564eb0$@net>
	<4E750E94.28810.13BE90B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTCjnn-TRRChpbS9pVCFK2YzwSMTOjQfZck-e4814vU4PNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101cc7641$0f2e8300$2d8b8900$@net>
	<2999072439124655585@unknownmsgid>
	<CAFj0BAwq_xNhr24N6iiViaSbfHo-g14dbdhAgaMLBNFcQZT4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCg5Fw4YGb89supomtCWM-aeM1pS0oF_WpM8kJ7ufZtz1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCiczx7iSb=zdrkfeLwqcktLeZJzo9sz5bZd-Aa2YK2=3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAw0-wDRRK_cYDpkm52XriT9kjSjEWJF2b=Li9pCfhHgTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.

Hans-Christian




On 19 September 2011 03:24, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> > default it should already be set to read-only and require admin
> privileges.
> > But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> > malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole
> in
> > which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for
> them
> > to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since
> this
> > is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> > factoring RO into their code.
> >
> > Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> > would
> > be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> > flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> > VM,
> > so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that
> anything
> > you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut
> it
> > down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> > from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> > and
> > run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> > environment
> > prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> > It's
> > what I do.
> >
> > But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> > appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> > have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> > don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> > too
> > many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust,
> in
> > my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans-Christian
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From ha at phulse.com  Mon Sep 19 10:38:54 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:38:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwmKvbz7AOApkDSNuCWjoU_JEeLD3shjXKb_L0CKtKvCw@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
the momentum these days are in nosql databases.

Hans-Christian



On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it a
> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in
>> many
>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
>>> do
>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
>>> Sun
>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>> developments,
>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
>>> of
>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>>> vision of this product.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
>>> and
>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>> have
>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>
>>> Arthur
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 10:41:29 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:41:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa8YBqaerEnvKsX_ftzWJ1U7=K2dyMHtaRLqcBF9k06KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjdrR2hbkFN3eB=MuKJfLwSuVW2OjEJ0ATH-y9hgn8v+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iE2KyV2RehxiMhAiAdFS=99449ic-sYsGoD2Lbyy=jxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa8YBqaerEnvKsX_ftzWJ1U7=K2dyMHtaRLqcBF9k06KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkjd37yXUY81DdwWc+PMSoVb-9HzsaHBt0GRN33VAo1VoA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm stuck on 9x11...

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:34 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
> > like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> > nines
> > are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
> > 9:
> > 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
> >
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 10:49:20 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:49:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Does index field order matter?
Message-ID: <4E776480.5070503@colbyconsulting.com>

I have three hash fields, person, family and address.  The hashes are a datatype VarBinary(200)  I 
then inner join one table to the next on the hash person.

I have a cover index on just those three fields.  So the question is, if I am primarily joining on 
let's say the person, does it help to have the person hash be the first column in the index?  Does 
the order of the fields in the index make any difference to performance getting at the data?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 11:23:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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 > Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of the momentum these 
days are in nosql databases.

Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a good thing because the 
environment that requires those kinds of databases was under served.

Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they replace sql based 
databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases don't do a good job of handling their 
requirements.

I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases but from my reading they 
are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it a
>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better in
>>> many
>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans-Christian


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 11:30:55 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:30:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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:) Use your toes

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm stuck on 9x11...
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:34 AM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
> >
> > Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
> >
> > for example, 9x4
> >
> > Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> > put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
> >
> > The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> > first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
> >
> > It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication.
> I
> > > like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
> > > nines
> > > are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up
> to
> > > 9:
> > > 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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> > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 11:56:23 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:56:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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When I was in high school I read a book written by a guy who spent years in a prison in some third 
world country.  With nothing to do all day he did mental math and discovered just tons of these 
kinds of tricks.  He claimed (and I was too lazy to actually learn it all) that you could multiply 
and divide huge numbers in your head using his tricks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:34 AM, David McAfee wrote:
> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
>> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
>> nines
>> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
>> 9:
>> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>>
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 12:01:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:01:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachtenberg_system


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 11:34 AM, David McAfee wrote:
> Don't forget the 9's hand trick:
>
> Put down the finger of the number that you are multiplying with 9.
>
> for example, 9x4
>
> Hold you hands out with the backs of your hands facing you.
> put down your left index finger (or 4th from the left)
>
> The number of fingers to the left of the finger (3) that is down is your
> first digit, those to the right (6) add up to your right digit.
>
> It's so awesome to watch children light up when they learn something new.
>
> :)
>
> David
>
>
> My kids loved showing their friends this trick.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can they multiply yet? There are some cool things about multiplication. I
>> like the elevens especially. 11*11=121. 11*11*11=12121, and so on. The
>> nines
>> are cool, too: take the digits in any multiple of nine and they add up to
>> 9:
>> 18, 27. 36. 45, etc.
>>
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 12:38:09 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:38:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
= 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.

Kewl, eh?

Arthur

P.S.
This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
returned it to me.

If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 12:59:20 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:59:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Oh, I forgot to mention the notions of "number shapes". This has nothing to
do with the way we write numbers, but rather the geometric layouts of said
numbers. I'll sketch a few examples and allow you to walk the series.

1 - a dot
2 - a line
3 - a triangle
4 - a square (2*2)
5 - a pentangle
6 - a rectangle (2*3)
7 - a septangle
8 - numerous shapes including 2*4, 2*2*2 (uh oh, here comes 3D math!), 2*6

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
> Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
> = 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
> remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
> to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
> iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.
>
> Kewl, eh?
>
> Arthur
>
> P.S.
> This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
> called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
> Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
> currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
> taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
> into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
> assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
> 0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
> missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
> was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
> returned it to me.
>
> If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
> It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.
>
>


From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 13:20:54 2011
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:20:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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I found:

Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes
of Nature, Art, and Science 
by Michael S. Schneider

?Pub. Date: January 1900
?Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers
?Format: Paperback , 384pp 
?Sales Rank: 85,255
?Series: Harper Perennial 
?ISBN-13: 9780060926717
?ISBN: 0060926716
..

Is this the book you are talking about?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:38 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?

I guess I forgot to mention the "resolution" aspect. 9*9=81. Add those = 9.
Let's go a step further: ? 9*9*9 = 729. Add those digits = 18. add those and
= 9, and this pattern continues for a long time (forever is a concept
remaining unproved; I have a small temporal window left and I shall leave it
to younger minds to take it further. But it works for at least the next
iteration: 9*9*9*9 = 6561; add these digits = 6+5+6+1 = 18, add those = 9.

Kewl, eh?

Arthur

P.S.
This thread would go unforgiven lest I mention an absolutely fantastic book
called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", by Michael S.
Scheirder. Among other things, this book made me appreciate that math is
currently taught ass-backwards in contemporary schools. It ought to be
taught geometry-first, and only after that has been accomplished, venture
into arithmetic (which will follow naturally) and then algebra, and then,
assuming they are all still on the current page, trigonometry. ISBN:
0-06-016939-7. I have a first edition, which when I thought it had gone
missing due to some unrecorded loan, I priced on eBay and at that time it
was going for $130. Fortunately, my friend David stepped up to the plate and
returned it to me.

If you love math and doubly so if you have kids, you must get this book.
It's available in paperback so you won't have to spend the big bucks.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 15:35:08 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:35:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Yup. This is a book both for you and your progeny. This, IMO, is a most
beautiful book, for both you and your kids.

Arthur

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found:
>
> Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes
> of Nature, Art, and Science
> by Michael S. Schneider
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 19 16:12:29 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:12:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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Not in some third world country,    WW2 concentration camps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakow_Trachtenberg

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Sep 2011 at 12:56, jwcolby wrote:

> When I was in high school I read a book written by a guy who spent
> years in a prison in some third world country.  With nothing to do all
> day he did mental math and discovered just tons of these kinds of
> tricks.  He claimed (and I was too lazy to actually learn it all) that
> you could multiply and divide huge numbers in your head using his
> tricks.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 16:32:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:32:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
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Mark,

I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)

I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to get the noise and heat 
out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns 
out that by taking the end piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps 
by several degrees,

So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I managed to assign another two 
cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps up to the blue screen point.

At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a 16 core server, with 35.6 
gigs of Ram in use.

BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had built two "temp" databases 
on rotating media and was doing a process which carves out 1 million records and writes them to 
file.  It was taking about 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those 
databases to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to build 157 of 
these files for this particular job, that makes a huge difference.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:46 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I use coretemp and I like it because I can set it to shut down when my temps
> go above a certain temp.
> BTW, I run my i7 at 50(idle)  70(busy) degrees C, what do you run your AMD's
> at (idle and busy)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 17 September 2011 22:50, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> I am using speedfan.  That is how I determined that I was pushing the
>> envelope.  It is OK but not great, it does the job.  It doesn't see all of
>> the cores, but it does return the temps of both dies in the MCM that is the
>> AMD processor.
>>
>>
>>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>
>> No, I really don't want to go there.
>>
>> I am using a 4U cabinet and could use a push/pull cooler (fan on both
>> sides) but for this socket they are about $90 each.  I will do that as a
>> last resort.
>>
>> I really get the feeling that one of the HSFs is not seated properly.
>>   There is no other explanation for a 10 degree C difference between the
>> sockets at idle.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 5:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John:
>>>
>>> Here is a little program that might help you with monitoring heating
>>> issue:
>>> http://www.almico.com/**speedfan.php<http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php>
>>>
>>> It is a free download and can monitor fan speeds, CPU temperatures, can
>>> send
>>> you an email if a threshold is exceeded and is customizable for specific
>>> motherboards and circuitry.
>>>
>>> Also, it may be time to go to refrigerated liquid cooling.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:43 AM
>>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>
>>> LOL, yep.  I have a server with about 16 hard drives, plus a 16 port raid
>>> controller, plus two amd
>>> 6128 processors plus eight 8 gb dimms.
>>>
>>> Plenty of heat generated there.
>>>
>>> After the blue screen i changed the fan wall between the disks and the
>>> motherboard area, changing to
>>> thhree 120 mm fans.  That helped a lot.  Went back to my jet engine
>>> exhaust
>>> fans.  They are loud but
>>> pull tons of air out of the case.
>>>
>>> The processor hsf is the real issue.  I have ordered an adapter to use a
>>> 120mm fan on those.  That
>>> will get as much air blowing on them as I am ever going to get.
>>>
>>> I think I need to remove and reinstall the hsf on both sockets.  One is 10
>>> degrees C hotter than the
>>> other.  Something wrong there.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2011 1:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>> You need a cooling kit and a few more fans. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
>>>> To: Sqlserver-Dba
>>>> Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
>>>>
>>>> I am running a query which is maxing out all 12 cores assigned to SQL
>>>> Server.  Just as an aside i
>>>> had to reduce the number of cores assigned in order to reduce the
>>>> temperature of the cores below
>>>> where it would blue screen.
>>>>
>>>> In any event I now have 4 cores and 8 gigs assigned to the OS (Windows
>>>> 2008R2), or more correctly
>>>> not assigned to SQL Server.
>>>>
>>>> My issue is that when all the resources are in use, SSMS responds very
>>>> slowly.  For example I opened
>>>> SSMS and clicked on the databases tree and it took several minutes to
>>>> drop
>>>> down.  After that things
>>>> took 10 seconds to 30 seconds which normally take a second.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a setting somewhere which will tell sql server to leave some
>>>> resources for SSMS, or
>>>> basically for any process other than the thing it is currently doing.  In
>>>> this case it is running a
>>>> simple append query, about 7 fields, from one database / table (index on
>>>> those 7 fields) to another
>>>> database / table.
>>>>
>>>> In this specific case I am trying to copy these 7 fields for about 150
>>>> million records, rotating
>>>> media for both databases, and for some reason it is incredibly slow.  The
>>>> records do have to be
>>>> inserted in sorted order, sorted on 3 fields.
>>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 16:36:34 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:36:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] 666+666=?
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LOL, I was working from a high school memory, although I should have known it was not "3rd world" 
since back in those days I didn't even know the third world existed.

And I sent that link first!  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 5:12 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Not in some third world country,    WW2 concentration camps
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakow_Trachtenberg
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:28:35 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:28:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
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Hello Hans-Christian,

I am not religious about this, and I suppose I cannot disagree with most of
what you have mentioned - there are unknown costs.

The only bit that I disagree with is the "little bit".  The efforts we have
all spent over the last 20 years to protect ourselves is enormous.  It is
billions and billions of Euro.

The only real point that I was throwing out is to remind ourselves of that
and to attempt to balance the reward for that investment.

John's comments about average values are of course correct, but the message
is still valid - billions and tens or hundreds of billions spent to protect
what sometimes is only millions and tens of millions.

I just thought it was an interesting take on things.

Mark




On 19 September 2011 16:36, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
Hi Mark,

You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.

Hans-Christian


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:37:49 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:37:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <se7751c0.014@cactus.dk>
References: <se7751c0.014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCi9HK11HN50+5oBKo9bYqOLooDdhGqN5C-aGch3Cb_D3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

You have described exactly what I am talking about.

Basically a padlock on the door is enough to deter a casual attacker and if
it is a dedicated attacker, nothing will deter them.

When I see what Stephen (my brother) can do in minutes to most systems, I am
sure that we can never be secure and still exist in modern society.  So I do
what you do, just the basics and I KISS.

Of course, Cisco, checkpoint, McAfee, Norton will not agree with this
approach.

What they are selling is FUD

And MS are no better, the User Access Control (In my very humble opinion)
protects nobody.  The pro's turn it off and the Mom and Pop user struggle
with it for years, yet they have nothing to steal.

It is the same in the airport, millions of people inconvenienced, daily, yet
the people that they are protecting us from now seek alternate places to
wreak havoc, but poor ol' Mom and Pop are still standing inline.

My argument with my brother is not to have no security - of course not, but
to have the minimum required that is reasonably safe.

(yet he can hardly bare to contemplate what I consider minimum)

Mark






On 19 September 2011 13:29, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Same here. I think some have a paranoid approach to this.
>
> We have two major (standard) protections here: A hardware firewall and
> Microsoft Security Essentials.
> For the last  many years I've come across one (1) incident where
> "something" tried to install something and MSE popped a message if I really
> wanted that. No thanks.
> All machines including servers run with NAT and port forwarding where
> needed.
> That is complemented with timely updates of Windows and Office.
>
> One additional thing is done, however, and I can highly recommend that:
> Advertising filters on browsers. These cost a little yearly fee per client
> but the advantage is huge as banners and adds are removed which is a relief
> (which you have to experience to grasp) for the users and removes the risk
> of clicking some nasty banner add ("Your computer is at risk! Press here"
> and a full-stop sign).
>
> Our VOIP server was hacked once and some Middle East uglies consumed our
> credit calling Arabic numbers. That was a loss of about USD 60. Not much
> work can be done for this, indeed as it seems our admin password had been
> cracked by brute force. Our splendid VOIP supplier changed the account and
> in half an hour we were back on-air with a longer password.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 19-09-2011 12:24 >>>
> Hello All,
>
> there was a very interesting article recently, I cannot recall if it was in
> MSDN magazine, Code magazine or HBR magazine.
>
> Basically they did some financial analysis on the cost in the US of
> implementing security, vs the cost of a loss.
>
> What was not surprising to (to me anyway) was that the cost of implementing
> security (at a macro level) is higher than the potential loss.
>
> I adhere to this philosophy.  In my house I lock my doors at night, but a
> robber can still get in if he really want to.  To make my house totally
> secure would be to make it impractical and unpleasant to live in.  So I
> balance security with practicalities.
>
> With my IT security I try to adopt the same approach.  My brother is an IT
> security professional, and he sometimes disagrees with me, but sometimes he
> also acknowledges what I suggest.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 10:19, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding locking down the hosts file on Windows, if I'm not mistaken, by
> > default it should already be set to read-only and require admin
> privileges.
> > But, even if you set it to read-only, if you have mistakenly given a
> > malicious attacker admin privileges (or they have found some other hole
> in
> > which to escalate their privileges), wouldn't it be rather trivial for
> them
> > to add code to remove the read-only lock from the file? In fact, since
> this
> > is the default in Windows, I would imagine attackers probably already
> > factoring RO into their code.
> >
> > Francisco has the right idea in the sense that a very safe environment
> would
> > be to have a virtual machine set up to boot a live CD of your favorite
> > flavour of Linux (or Windows, if possible?) from a virtual drive in your
> VM,
> > so that the environment is completely clean and that you know that
> anything
> > you have done within that instance of the VM is discarded when you shut
> it
> > down. In fact, if you are really paranoid, don't run it through a VM but
> > from the bare metal of a machine. Then, before surfing, install NoScript
> and
> > run a full update of Firefox. It takes a little while to get the
> environment
> > prepared, but it might be all worth it if you are doing online banking.
> It's
> > what I do.
> >
> > But, regarding this specific issue with Komodo, DigiNotar (and more, it
> > appears), it's probably worth looking into managing what certificates you
> > have within your trusted root store and consider removing ones that you
> > don't feel comfortable having your computer trust implicitly. (
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc754841.aspx ) There are far
> too
> > many in there, which kind of wrecks havoc with the whole chain of trust,
> in
> > my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans-Christian
>
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:49:02 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:49:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]  SSMS priority
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjdXfL9BXi7qJFbhFfZUpwBOvmBEQLX3TiD_khiPPfWHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E74A69F.6000706@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,

thanks for the reply,

I was working on an AMD Phenom II x4 840 for the last few days and it never
went above 19 degrees C on idle and 32 degrees C on 100% Prime95 torture
test.  Your temps are more like what I experience.

Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.

Mark


On 19 September 2011 22:32, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)
>
> I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to
> get the noise and heat out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood
> wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns out that by taking the end
> piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps by
> several degrees,
>
> So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I
> managed to assign another two cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps
> up to the blue screen point.
>
> At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a
> 16 core server, with 35.6 gigs of Ram in use.
>
> BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had
> built two "temp" databases on rotating media and was doing a process which
> carves out 1 million records and writes them to file.  It was taking about
> 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those databases
> to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to
> build 157 of these files for this particular job, that makes a huge
> difference.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 17:57:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:57:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Hi John,

Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
big.

Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?

1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
as your FE and mySQL as your BE.

Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
(need I go on) can never be.

Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
and mySQL

Mark



On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
> size.
>
> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>
> 1) 10 gb file size
> 2) 1 core maximum
> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>
> And the client has:
>
> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>
> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
> starting with serious limitations.
>
> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>
> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>
> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
> rolling backwards for too long.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>
>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>
>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>> is
>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>> version
>> does give you SSMS)
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 18:02:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:02:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: Windows Secrets: The Sorry Tale of the
 (un)Secure Sockets Layer
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCi50pSvfdNOoKHn9PhttZiR8A=mwfvO=VTWRXSKZBWYEA@mail.gmail.com>
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And if we would just hunt down and execute the criminals, publicly, with lots of gore, and a note 
pinned to their chest, it would come to a screeching halt.

Way cheaper than protections.

;)

The other consideration is how many infected computers would be bot-nets without such protections? 
And with the additional billion plus cpus in the bot-net how much more damage could they be doing?

Have you ever heard of Blue Frog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Frog

I was part of that solution, and it in fact worked swimmingly.  Notice what happened to the company 
and the solution.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:28 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Hans-Christian,
>
> I am not religious about this, and I suppose I cannot disagree with most of
> what you have mentioned - there are unknown costs.
>
> The only bit that I disagree with is the "little bit".  The efforts we have
> all spent over the last 20 years to protect ourselves is enormous.  It is
> billions and billions of Euro.
>
> The only real point that I was throwing out is to remind ourselves of that
> and to attempt to balance the reward for that investment.
>
> John's comments about average values are of course correct, but the message
> is still valid - billions and tens or hundreds of billions spent to protect
> what sometimes is only millions and tens of millions.
>
> I just thought it was an interesting take on things.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 16:36, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> You are correct in the sense that it is not feasible to have perfect
> security. However, I take issue with how financial systems quietly write off
> loses, even if, to them, it's just a fraction of their profits. Their
> analysis of cost/benefit often leaves out the true cost. You have to ask
> yourself: wheres does the money go, who benefits from it and how do they
> benefit from it. In much the same way that the true cost of
> industrialization to the environment was not known or was ignored, money
> stolen from bank accounts and so forth typically go to criminal
> organizations and whatnot, which then leads to problems in the world that
> often leads to taxes and other social resources being wasted. A little bit
> more effort would go a long way and it is very hard to calculate the true
> cost of not fixing things; especially when the solution already exists.
>
> Hans-Christian
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 18:05:20 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:05:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hello John

I 100% agree with you.

NoSql databases (Azure for eg) are so far removed from relational databases,
that they do not belong in the same comparison, even the same discussion.

I know they give you enormous scalablity, reliability and performance, but
the engineering in such an app cannot compare to what we do.  Even your
monster db's are pip squeaks compared so these beasts typically do.

In my mind, they are just stinkin' lists, and I am sticking with Ansi 92
SQL.

Mark


On 19 September 2011 17:23, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
> of the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a
> good thing because the environment that requires those kinds of databases
> was under served.
>
> Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they
> replace sql based databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases
> don't do a good job of handling their requirements.
>
> I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases
> but from my reading they are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I
> do.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>> of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 18:43:26 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] SSMS priority
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 > Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.

Thanks Mark.  It is amazing and amazingly fun to do.  It is also very difficult.  I have a manager 
and three different supervisor classes all running threads to perform all of the pieces so that 
these records can be exported, processed through Accuzip (third party software) on a virtual 
machine, and re-imported "in parallel".  Trying to synchronize all of that is difficult, and took a 
lot of debugging to get working as well as I have.

That many threads all working at essentially the same task can be daunting especially when it comes 
time to step through code.  Each thread gets a step, in rotation which is just confusing to watch / 
step through!  It turns out you can stop threads manually to work around that but then if they are 
supposed to be doing something...

But it is fun.

Until SQl Server blue screens and all of those threads lose contact with the server.  Incredibly we 
are working through this scenario as well and causing the software to pick back up when SQl Server 
comes back up.  But in the end, with software this complex there is always something to deal with.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:49 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> thanks for the reply,
>
> I was working on an AMD Phenom II x4 840 for the last few days and it never
> went above 19 degrees C on idle and 32 degrees C on 100% Prime95 torture
> test.  Your temps are more like what I experience.
>
> Your app and your automation of that work is really amazing.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 22:32, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I run it at whatever temp it runs at.  ;)
>>
>> I had moved the main server as well as my UnRaid server to the basement to
>> get the noise and heat out of my office.  I surrounded it with a plywood
>> wall to keep inquisitive fingers out.  It turns out that by taking the end
>> piece of plywood off (the hot exhaust side) I managed to drop the temps by
>> several degrees,
>>
>> So now it is running at 52C idle and about 61C under full load.  And I
>> managed to assign another two cores to SQL Server without pushing the temps
>> up to the blue screen point.
>>
>> At this moment I have 14 cores maxed out.  88% processor utilization of a
>> 16 core server, with 35.6 gigs of Ram in use.
>>
>> BTW I was just checking the times to perform some of my process.  I had
>> built two "temp" databases on rotating media and was doing a process which
>> carves out 1 million records and writes them to file.  It was taking about
>> 10-15 minutes per file to do that.  This afternoon I moved those databases
>> to my SSD and the times are down to about 4-5 minutes.  Given that I have to
>> build 157 of these files for this particular job, that makes a huge
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 19 21:31:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:31:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

If I ever needed them then I would of course look much harder.  But my databases are relational, 
that is just what I do.

MySQl or a derivative is looking interesting.  I went with SQL Server because Microsoft gave me the 
tools for free.  However they did so for a reason, so that I would develop in them and then promote 
them.  I do develop in them, and I will certainly promote them when appropriate.  I think SQl Server 
is a powerful solution, and relative to oracle quite inexpensive.  But I also think that there is a 
class of company (about the size that I work with) where even SQL Server and Windows 2008 is too 
expensive.

Of course SBS is the MS answer and it is an awesome answer.  I tried to promote it in this situation 
but the requirement to be the center of their universe (the domain server) kind of killed the deal. 
  They are already set up there and are rightly reluctant to mess with something that is working.

So here we are looking for something truly cheap.  I would love to build a Linux box on their new 
hardware and run MySQL on top of that.  Unfortunately I have had bad experiences with Linux in the 
past and I just don't have the time to battle it out when the inevitable something goes wrong.

I actually tried to install to build a Linux VM using SuSE but the install on the VM failed and... 
well... I just don't have the time to battle with it.  I installed Windows XP, then MySQL community 
edition, then WampServer and I am up in a VM.

I did not try to build an Ubuntu VM.  I suppose I should try that before I fold.  I fantisized that 
I was going to go find an existing Linux VM all zipped up and ready to unzip and mount under 
Hyper-V.  So far that hasn't happened.  I am convinced they are out there, and I can find them under 
VMWare but I am wedded to Hyper-V at the moment.

Anyway I have MySQL up and running under Windows XP.  If anyone is interested I can let folks in on 
a private Hamachi network to play with it.  I am setting up to have it be the MySQL Server and I 
will try to manipulate it remotely from another machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 7:05 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John
>
> I 100% agree with you.
>
> NoSql databases (Azure for eg) are so far removed from relational databases,
> that they do not belong in the same comparison, even the same discussion.
>
> I know they give you enormous scalablity, reliability and performance, but
> the engineering in such an app cannot compare to what we do.  Even your
> monster db's are pip squeaks compared so these beasts typically do.
>
> In my mind, they are just stinkin' lists, and I am sticking with Ansi 92
> SQL.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 17:23, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>> of the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Well, let's say most of the *noise* is in those databases.  And that is a
>> good thing because the environment that requires those kinds of databases
>> was under served.
>>
>> Notice however that the makers of those databases make no claim that they
>> replace sql based databases.  What they always say is that SQL databases
>> don't do a good job of handling their requirements.
>>
>> I don't have the time to do a thorough evaluation of the nosql databases
>> but from my reading they are a poor or even nonexistent fit for the things I
>> do.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
>>> of
>>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>>
>>> Hans-Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 19 22:14:27 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:14:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Excellent...Jim

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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

I am positioning him to add another 8 cores for $250 and $100 / 8 gig DIMM.
He can add power if/as 
he needs.  He already has a 3rd part check payment database running sql
server on an xp 
"workstation" box.  If we could migrate that onto this box he could turn off
that other xp box.  It 
appears that SQL Server and MySQL can run on the same box.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 8:47 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I second that.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:30 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> John,
>
> In that scenario, it would certainly make sense to instal WAMP to give you
> MySQL and the
> phpMyAdmin interface on the XP machine.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 02:01:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:01:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and while
not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
investigation. My conclusions:

1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages, and
potentially millions of simultaneous hits

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com>wrote:

> John,
>
> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> > So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
> > maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
> a
> > dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> >
> >> Arthur,
> >>
> >> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
> >> maintained and developed by Monty&  co and, quite frankly, is better in
> >> many
> >> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
> >> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hans-Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
> definitely
> >>> do
> >>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
> >>> Sun
> >>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
> >>> developments,
> >>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
> transmutations
> >>> of
> >>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> >>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> >>> vision of this product.
> >>>
> >>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
> and
> >>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> >>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
> >>> and
> >>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
> >>> have
> >>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
> >>>
> >>> Arthur
> >>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 20 02:24:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:24:55 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL)
Message-ID: <se785c04.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur et al

Also Oracle sports a free Express version, Oracle 11g XE with these limitations: 

* Maximum database size is 11 GB  
* Maximum RAM it will use is 1 GB
* Only one instance can be installed on a single computer
* Uses only a single CPU

Here is a guide for the Windows installation (for people like JC encountering the unknown!):

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/database/InstallOracle11gXE.aspx 

Not that I have used it or intend to do so. The last time I tried (Oracle 8i?) it installed a monster suite of tools and yet you had to deal with manual editing of ora files etc. ... I felt much like JC does now facing the WAMP package. Things may have changed, I know, I'm just not ready to meet the challenge (= have no purpose for it).

/gustav


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely do
not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations of
what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
vision of this product.

Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.

Arthur




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 05:40:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:40:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iY8ohPPYeHyzhsQRsYwYgsf1i12m-=jbHz6BnnpChkog@mail.gmail.com>
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Yep and yep.  The point really is that there are different problems and these NoSQL databases solve 
a specific set of problems.  Just not my set.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 3:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and while
> not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
> investigation. My conclusions:
>
> 1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
> 2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages, and
> potentially millions of simultaneous hits
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen<ha at phulse.com>wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
>> a
>>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arthur,
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better in
>>>> many
>>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans-Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
>> definitely
>>>>> do
>>>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of
>>>>> Sun
>>>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>>>> developments,
>>>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
>> transmutations
>>>>> of
>>>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
>>>>> vision of this product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
>> and
>>>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle
>>>>> and
>>>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>>>> have
>>>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 06:40:59 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:40:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

 > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.

I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't succeeded yet).  The SuSE 
install mostly just went, although in the end I was unable to get the tools installed for the 
virtual machine.  Ubuntu must have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately 
when you are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward sequence of tabs and 
enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the cursor in the right place, select text boxes 
etc.  Even then, after I managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use 
the first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or something like that.

<rant mode>

*JUST DO IT*

It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying to get the big picture 
done, not set partitions to system.

</rant mode>

So I still have no linux vm to play with.

I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just the added complexity of 
the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.

Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
> big.
>
> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>
> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>
> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
> (need I go on) can never be.
>
> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
> and mySQL
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>> size.
>>
>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>
>> 1) 10 gb file size
>> 2) 1 core maximum
>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>
>> And the client has:
>>
>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>
>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
>> starting with serious limitations.
>>
>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>
>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>>
>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 06:49:45 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
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Mark,

 > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL and mySQL

I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my big server where I could 
do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for 
testing but then you are restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.

Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I will not hose my server I 
will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
> big.
>
> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>
> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good software.
> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use VS2010
> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>
> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
> (need I go on) can never be.
>
> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS SQL
> and mySQL
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>> size.
>>
>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>
>> 1) 10 gb file size
>> 2) 1 core maximum
>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>
>> And the client has:
>>
>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>
>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand full
>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in the
>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig is
>> starting with serious limitations.
>>
>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128 and
>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added 5X
>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>
>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that with
>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company size.
>>
>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the year
>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 07:02:05 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:02:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Mark,

One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.  I just wanted to tell 
you that.

Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from databases to philosophy. 
  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. 
You were a most gracious host, putting up with me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Jim / Arthur
>
> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>
> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That is
> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free version
> does give you SSMS)
>
> Mark


From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 20 13:10:37 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:10:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hi John:

The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
learning from square one, with little help or documentation.

Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old techs
with more time on their hands than money. ;-)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:40 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL

Yep and yep.  The point really is that there are different problems and
these NoSQL databases solve 
a specific set of problems.  Just not my set.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 3:01 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> As a semi-retired person, I have time to investigate such things, and
while
> not claiming expertise in this particular (NoSQL) area, I have done some
> investigation. My conclusions:
>
> 1) this is NOT for transactional databases (with ACID etc.)
> 2) this is a superb solution for Web-based dbs (i.e. lots of text-pages,
and
> potentially millions of simultaneous hits
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Hans-Christian
Andersen<ha at phulse.com>wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Good question. I don't know, to be honest, but I get the sense that most
of
>> the momentum these days are in nosql databases.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 07:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is the real deal with MySQL community version?  Is it still
>>> maintained and advanced by the open source development community?  Is it
>> a
>>> dead end?  Is MariaDB the replacement going forward?
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2011 5:31 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arthur,
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at MariaDB. It's basically a version of MySQL which is
>>>> maintained and developed by Monty&   co and, quite frankly, is better
in
>>>> many
>>>> ways, as they have the freedom to advance the database in ways that the
>>>> MySQL devs at Oracle are just not able to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans-Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 September 2011 18:52, Arthur Fuller<fuller.artful at gmail.com**>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I
>> definitely
>>>>> do
>>>>> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition
of
>>>>> Sun
>>>>> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these
>>>>> developments,
>>>>> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these
>> transmutations
>>>>> of
>>>>> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
>>>>> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the
guiding
>>>>> vision of this product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo
>> and
>>>>> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
>>>>> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at
Oracle
>>>>> and
>>>>> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not
>>>>> have
>>>>> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>
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>>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 15:02:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:02:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <F19FB14CE8F44E92888B9E12401F5EB1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFj0BAxyohV1UtLCWcB_kgt1tfMRCCUTp4OV+4kfTZLEXYm2gw@mail.gmail.com>	<4E775189.9040106@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAFj0BAwmKvbz7AOApkDSNuCWjoU_JEeLD3shjXKb_L0CKtKvCw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1iY8ohPPYeHyzhsQRsYwYgsf1i12m-=jbHz6BnnpChkog@mail.gmail.com>	<4E786D82.80801@colbyconsulting.com>
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Jim,

 > The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your data, memory and resource 
problems with effortless ease.

I have never seen anything to support that.  I also don't see anybody moving their relational 
databases to these things?  Where are you seeing this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 2:10 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
> data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
> said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
> learning from square one, with little help or documentation.
>
> Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old techs
> with more time on their hands than money. ;-)
>
> Jim


From jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 20 19:23:49 2011
From: jlawrenc1 at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:23:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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You are living out of stream John. 

I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as it
is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
products. 

Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land
database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the old
hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.

A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.

There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields for
partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of data
filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore less
hardware.

There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.

" ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop presently
can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
 
http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/
  
Jim
   

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Jim,

 > The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
data, memory and resource 
problems with effortless ease.

I have never seen anything to support that.  I also don't see anybody moving
their relational 
databases to these things?  Where are you seeing this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 2:10 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi John:
>
> The truth be known, NOSQL or Reduce data-set databases would solve your
> data, memory and resource problems with effortless ease. That could not be
> said for the support tech, yourself; who would would virtually have start
> learning from square one, with little help or documentation.
>
> Getting skilled in the new frontier is for bright young techs and old
techs
> with more time on their hands than money. ;-)
>
> Jim
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 20 20:28:02 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:28:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created several years ago by then-Yahoo 
employee Doug Cutting. It has become a critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and 
Facebook ? to process their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way 
into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of commercial distributions 
and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC  and IBM.

My data is not unstructured.

Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round the last time and all they 
discussed was data captured from and displayed in web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child 
relations 12 levels deep, no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their 
data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web data) face book (web data) 
yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.

The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did doesn't make it fit everything 
out there.

 > Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land database and the 
results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. 
Before, running with the traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.

IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.

OK.

 > A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at the legislator. The 
box was supposed to take all the comments from the sessions, translate them into text and then allow 
anyone to pull the comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had been 
tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.

IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.

OK.

Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a poor fit for any task?

Hmmmm.....

I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have a programming staff of 
hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I 
am not a provincial government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many notes 
to keep track of.

So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.

OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of hours of work and it will be 
a million times faster on my same system I will pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.

I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await your delivered system.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You are living out of stream John.
>
> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as it
> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
> products.
>
> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge land
> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the old
> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>
> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>
> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields for
> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of data
> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore less
> hardware.
>
> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>
> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop presently
> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>
> http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/
>
> Jim


From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 01:10:37 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:10:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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John,

At my company, we have implemented Cassandra (a NoSQL database) partitioned
under 3 nodes. Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling
that you get with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is the
sort of thing that small and large web companies look to these days.
Something that has been some what of a difficulty for RDBMS's. We do also
keep a subset if our data within a traditional RDBMS, because thats what
makes sense for that data.

It really comes down to your requirements and knowing the tools you work
with.

Hans-Christian



On 20 September 2011 18:28, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created
> several years ago by then-Yahoo employee Doug Cutting. It has become a
> critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and Facebook ? to process
> their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way
> into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of
> commercial distributions and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC
>  and IBM.
>
> My data is not unstructured.
>
> Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round
> the last time and all they discussed was data captured from and displayed in
> web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child relations 12 levels deep,
> no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their
> data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web
> data) face book (web data) yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.
>
> The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did
> doesn't make it fit everything out there.
>
>
> > Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
> land database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on
> any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>
> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>
> OK.
>
>
> > A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
> at the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>
> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>
> OK.
>
> Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a
> poor fit for any task?
>
> Hmmmm.....
>
> I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have
> a programming staff of hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms
> with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I am not a provincial
> government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many
> notes to keep track of.
>
> So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.
>
> OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of
> hours of work and it will be a million times faster on my same system I will
> pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.
>
> I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await
> your delivered system.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> You are living out of stream John.
>>
>> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
>> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as
>> it
>> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
>> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
>> products.
>>
>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>> land
>> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
>> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
>> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
>> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the
>> old
>> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>>
>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
>> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>
>> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
>> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
>> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
>> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields
>> for
>> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of
>> data
>> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore
>> less
>> hardware.
>>
>> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
>> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>>
>> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
>> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop
>> presently
>> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>>
>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/**lexisnexis-open-sources-its-**hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/>
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 01:29:25 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:29:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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John,

My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
the different terminology and so forth at first.

Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
"Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).

IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
present you that option during the installation process. For
instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.

But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
enough.

Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
from the command line:
# apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.

It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.

Hans-Christian




On 20 September 2011 04:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 02:05:55 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 03:05:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Well, you're way ahead of me on the experience-curve, Hans, but in general
my experience is similar. I've used Sun's VirtualBox for a while now, and
installing and running Ubuntu was a no-brainer. So far I have not followed
your advice about moving things, but I shall look into that soon. Thanks for
the tips!

Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep 21 05:27:22 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:27:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Thanks for that Hans.

I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just 
makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.

The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging 
"what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in 
Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It 
just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning 
enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.

The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows 
network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 2:29 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
> minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
> installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
> anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
> the different terminology and so forth at first.
>
> Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
> "Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
> obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
> drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).
>
> IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
> good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
> present you that option during the installation process. For
> instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
> swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
> is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
> selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
> quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.
>
> But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
> well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
> enough.
>
> Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
> from the command line:
> # apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
> and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.
>
> It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
> know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
> infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
> 50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 04:40, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>
>> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
>> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
>> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
>> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
>> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
>> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
>> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
>> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
>> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
>> something like that.
>>
>> <rant mode>
>>
>> *JUST DO IT*
>>
>> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
>> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>>
>> </rant mode>
>>
>> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>>
>> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
>> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
>> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>>
>> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>>> big.
>>>
>>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>>> software.
>>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>>> VS2010
>>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>>
>>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>>> SQL
>>> and mySQL
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>
>>>> And the client has:
>>>>
>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>
>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>> full
>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>> the
>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>>> is
>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>
>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>>> and
>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>>> 5X
>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>
>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>> with
>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>> year
>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>> all
>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>>> is
>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>> version
>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep 21 05:41:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:41:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Hans,

 >Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling that you get with NoSQL databases can 
far outweigh the cons and this is the sort of thing that *small and large web companies* look to 
these days.

So this is the company database?  The books, the clients, the invoices etc?  The kinds of things 
that you used to put in Access or SQL Server?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 2:10 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> At my company, we have implemented Cassandra (a NoSQL database) partitioned
> under 3 nodes. Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling
> that you get with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is the
> sort of thing that small and large web companies look to these days.
> Something that has been some what of a difficulty for RDBMS's. We do also
> keep a subset if our data within a traditional RDBMS, because thats what
> makes sense for that data.
>
> It really comes down to your requirements and knowing the tools you work
> with.
>
> Hans-Christian
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 18:28, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created
>> several years ago by then-Yahoo employee Doug Cutting. It has become a
>> critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and Facebook ? to process
>> their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its way
>> into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of
>> commercial distributions and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC
>>   and IBM.
>>
>> My data is not unstructured.
>>
>> Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round
>> the last time and all they discussed was data captured from and displayed in
>> web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child relations 12 levels deep,
>> no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out their
>> data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web
>> data) face book (web data) yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.
>>
>> The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did
>> doesn't make it fit everything out there.
>>
>>
>>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>> land database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on
>> any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>>
>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
>> at the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>
>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a
>> poor fit for any task?
>>
>> Hmmmm.....
>>
>> I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't have
>> a programming staff of hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms
>> with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I am not a provincial
>> government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too many
>> notes to keep track of.
>>
>> So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost me.
>>
>> OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of
>> hours of work and it will be a million times faster on my same system I will
>> pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.
>>
>> I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I await
>> your delivered system.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> You are living out of stream John.
>>>
>>> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology and
>>> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street, as
>>> it
>>> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
>>> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
>>> products.
>>>
>>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>>> land
>>> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on any
>>> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>>> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
>>> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
>>> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the
>>> old
>>> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>>>
>>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google, at
>>> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>>
>>> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
>>> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need to
>>> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for someone
>>> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields
>>> for
>>> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of
>>> data
>>> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore
>>> less
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map Reduce
>>> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>>>
>>> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
>>> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop
>>> presently
>>> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems... "
>>>
>>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/**lexisnexis-open-sources-its-**hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 12:40:43 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:40:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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Stick with what you know, until and unless you have learned something new. I
love Linux and  more specifically Ubuntu 11.04, and on this VM I run this
baby and OpenOffice and Base (not quite an Access clone but not bad).

VMs are the safe way to play, IMO. Have tried lots of them and have
succeeded in protecting my main squeeze, which is what it's all about.

I can't help experimenting. That's just my nature. But I also like to wear
a jock-strap just in case. Hence my preference for VMs, safe sandboxes that
cannot fork with my main squeeze,

Call me a pussy but over lo these many years I have learned that you cannot,
cannot, cannot, fork with my home-baby. Sandboxes are us, as it were. If and
when it proves interesting, I might promote you to home, but not unless and
until.  Too much acid on my face for me to choose any other alternative.

Arthur

> ing.com <http://colbyconsulting.com><jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> >>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Mark,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>>> size.
>>>>>
>>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>>
>>>>> And the client has:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>>
>>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>>> full
>>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>>> the
>>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single
>>>>> gig
>>>>> is
>>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take
>>>>> him
>>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD
>>>>> 6128
>>>>> and
>>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he
>>>>> added
>>>>> 5X
>>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on
>>>>> this
>>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the
>>>>> "$X
>>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>>> with
>>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>>> size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>>> year
>>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.
>>>>>>  That
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 21 16:32:00 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:32:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
Message-ID: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>

Hi John

In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory, well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es - you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control. If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of Windows.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27 >>>
Thanks for that Hans.

I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just 
makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.

The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging 
"what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in 
Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It 
just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning 
enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.

The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows 
network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

On 9/21/2011 2:29 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> John,
>
> My best recommendation is to use either Ubuntu or Debian (for an even more
> minimalist experience). I work daily with these systems and their
> installation is fairly trivial. But, I suppose, if you've never dealt with
> anything outside the Windows eco-system, it could be a bit daunting with all
> the different terminology and so forth at first.
>
> Regarding partitioning, if you want to keep it simple, just always select
> "Guided partitioning". This means the system will just go with the most
> obvious, simplest choice (which is usually to install the system onto one
> drive using as much disk space as possible and only using one partition).
>
> IT professionals and experienced Linux users will know that there are very
> good reasons to plan how to lay out your partitions, so the system will
> present you that option during the installation process. For
> instance, separating your home partition is often a good plan. Moving your
> swap partition to another physical drive is another good idea... Then there
> is drive encryption or logical volume management and so forth. Sometimes,
> selecting a filesystem type is very important as well (when plain ext3 isn't
> quite what you need for performance reasons). etc etc.
>
> But if you want a plain old vanilla system, which will be enough to perform
> well as a server, then using the defaults with "Guided partitioning" is good
> enough.
>
> Once you set up your basic Debian/Ubuntu install, all you have to do is run
> from the command line:
> # apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
> and then mysql will install and be prepared for you.
>
> It doesn't get simpler than that. If you continue to have issues, let me
> know. This is my bread and butter and I've built an entire companies
> infrastructure around Debian Linux, with over 20 1/2 U servers, hosting over
> 50-60 vm's, so I know a thing or two about this sort of thing.
>
> Hans-Christian




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep 21 17:26:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:26:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>

Good advice I think.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/21/2011 5:32 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory, well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es - you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control. If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of Windows.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27>>>
> Thanks for that Hans.
>
> I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that to this client.  It just
> makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and run MySQL and be a file server.
>
> The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.  So there is that nagging
> "what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows, we are comfortable in
> Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing with Windows problems.  It
> just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we could spend a fortune learning
> enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.
>
> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an otherwise all windows
> network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 20:38:33 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:38:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk> <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAyW5y-eTKnB8oAnZXOdD5zPjkh-RdLjDJN3Z3yte_+01w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.

If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you are
asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps in
the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.

I can tell you this much in advance:

MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark to
see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following link
in the meantime: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.

Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is dead
simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
you want to do, of course).

On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this), but,
typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
(especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you are
a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.

All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
that investment.

Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be a
better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
it a frustrating experience.

Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.

If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.

Good luck.


PS.
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
play with it?

Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it plays
well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how well
it integrates with AD and such?


- Hans


On 21 September 2011 15:26, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Good advice I think.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/21/2011 5:32 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> In that case, run MySql on Windows. It works great, and underneath you
>> have a platform you are familiar with - with RDP access, Active Directory,
>> well-known tools, etc. I've given up on the Linux and Solaris server OS'es -
>> you always "miss something" and it just doesn't pay off to spend the time
>> necessary to learn these reaching a level where you feel you are in control.
>> If you really need it, team up with a Linux guy who is not afraid of
>> Windows.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>  jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 21-09-2011 12:27>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that Hans.
>>
>> I have zero experience with Linux but my inclination is to recommend that
>> to this client.  It just
>> makes sense for a vanilla server that is going to sit in the corner and
>> run MySQL and be a file server.
>>
>> The biggest problem is very simply that they and I have zero experience.
>>  So there is that nagging
>> "what if something goes wrong" in the back of our heads.  We know Windows,
>> we are comfortable in
>> Windows, we have tons of experience recognizing, categorizing and dealing
>> with Windows problems.  It
>> just *feels like* if we have a problem, even a year down the road, we
>> could spend a fortune learning
>> enough to figure out what is wrong and fixing it.
>>
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in an
>> otherwise all windows
>> network.  And how well does the windows network play with it?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>  ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 21:11:13 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:11:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrJREX3yhqkN0K5c_RMmB7H=+XN_51aEo939X9BucALg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAFj0BAz8eq5+QL43Z7-PpisOwkgiw+3m3TUtFB4EpkfCFTokag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrJREX3yhqkN0K5c_RMmB7H=+XN_51aEo939X9BucALg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAyeX6oXg939T7boR4kJwe5R4+6wsYFPT=GGYxVyDryTCw@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

I fully endorse VirtualBox. There is nothing more gratifying than being able
to mock up a complex network of virtual machines to test something before
actually doing a real deployment. :)

I typically use Debian for the real server deployments, but Ubuntu Server
11.04 is quite a joy to use and I run it on my own personal server.

Hans-Christian




On 21 September 2011 00:05, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, you're way ahead of me on the experience-curve, Hans, but in general
> my experience is similar. I've used Sun's VirtualBox for a while now, and
> installing and running Ubuntu was a no-brainer. So far I have not followed
> your advice about moving things, but I shall look into that soon. Thanks
> for
> the tips!
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 21:30:25 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:30:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk> <4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwBxBTGiAf1fEkFZ44D2fcxBYnOAhnFKcFpY_SrtgkD-w@mail.gmail.com>

John,

The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.

If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you are
asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps in
the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.

I can tell you this much in advance:

MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark to
see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following link
in the meantime: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.

Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is dead
simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
you want to do, of course).

On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this), but,
typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
(especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you are
a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.

All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
that investment.

Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be a
better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
it a frustrating experience.

Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.

If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.

Good luck.


PS.
>> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
play with it?

Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it plays
well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how well
it integrates with AD and such?


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 24 14:10:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:10:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] interesting ssd SQL Server testing
Message-ID: <4E7E2B32.60008@colbyconsulting.com>


http://sqlblog.com/blogs/joe_chang/archive/2011/09/17/consumer-grade-ssds-with-sql-server.aspx

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 04:44:27 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:44:27 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Just thought I would share an experience with you.

My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was working,
building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.  He asked if he
could check his email.  I said work away.

Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use
for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of them overlap and are
the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did it?

In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords.
in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords
probably IE has it also, but who uses that !

No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.

So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have
saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be 100% sure you
did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure
you will not do so in the future.  remember to check all browsers on your
machine.

It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like
that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.

Mark


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 04:51:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:51:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E787DD9.9040606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787DD9.9040606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCixDe=2xtDj+vriT-2kC3RqOFSv++MMCnEttyHmAhMZ=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
that box.

Mark


On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
> SQL and mySQL
>
> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my
> big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I
> can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>
> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadviso**rs.com <http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
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>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **>
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:23:57 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:23:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>> big.
>>
>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>
>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>> software.
>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>> VS2010
>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>
>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>
>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL
>> and mySQL
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Mark,
>>>
>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>> size.
>>>
>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>
>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>
>>> And the client has:
>>>
>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>
>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>> full
>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>> the
>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>> is
>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>
>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>> and
>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>> 5X
>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>
>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>> with
>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>> year
>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>> the
>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>> all
>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>> is
>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>> version
>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________****_________________
>>> dba-SQLServer mailing list
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadviso**rs.com <http://databaseadvisors.com><
>>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>>> **>
>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
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>> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:47:29 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:47:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,

Yes, it was a great experience for me also.

Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with someone
in real life about the technologies.

But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
experience.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 13:02, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.
>  I just wanted to tell you that.
>
> Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from
> databases to philosophy.  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland
> for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. You were a most gracious host,
> putting up with me.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>
>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>
>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>> is
>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>> version
>> does give you SSMS)
>>
>> Mark
>>
> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-SQLServer mailing list
> dba-SQLServer@**databaseadvisors.com <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:51:18 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:51:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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On 26 September 2011 10:51, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
> that box.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>> > Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL and mySQL
>>
>> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on
>> my big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.
>>  I can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
>> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>>
>> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
>> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:52:15 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:52:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiWm7EjgKw4_hCBc_b9=4JFtXOxusrgeKkQy6VRoKVnhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Hans-Christian,

Thank you for your detailed and interesting response to John's questions.

I have been reading on my kindle a few of the PDF's on ubuntu over the last
week or two.

One additional reason that I want to play with Linux is simply because it is
there.  I want to be part of the evolution of the linux world.  I make my
living on SQL Server and do not see a time in the near future that I can
switch, but I am enjoying learning a new technology.  It makes me feel like
in 1988 when I was learning what DIR, CD\ and Copy *.* did.

I purchased a new HP all in one office jet last Friday to replace my aging
noisy A3 laser printer.  Of course it comes with Windows software.  On the
family computer that I recently switched to Ubuntu 11.04, I sat down to
install it, wondering whether it would be possible.  I was quite surprised
when an hour later, I was scanning and printing wirelessly from Ubuntu to a
shiny new HP scanner.

Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few
ultra cheap pc's?  AMD Dual Core Athlon, 1 GB Ram, smallest disk I can buy,
cheap and nasty case with integrated PSU and then installed Ubuntu.  The
whole machine costs approx ?130 - ?150.  I am imaging the saving on hardware
and software a company could make with 10 or 20 non-power users.  The
performance was absolutely perfect BTW, as good as my i7 with Win7 that cost
well over ?1000.


Mark



On 22 September 2011 02:38, Hans-Christian Andersen <ha at phulse.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> The easiest thing to do, of course, is to stick with what you know.
> Especially if it's something you are going to have to support over time.
>
> If you don't feel comfortable with a Linux environment (even if what you
> are
> asking for would be pretty trivial to set up for someone like myself and
> distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, CentOS, etc are pretty
> straightforward these days), there is always a chance there will be bumps
> in
> the road somewhere down the line that requires you to open the the hood and
> take a deeper look. Same applies to Windows as well as Linux. That's where
> you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to make a bit of an investment
> in terms of learning how Linux works and also being prepared to have an
> experienced Linux admin to go to, if you are in way over your head.
>
> I can tell you this much in advance:
>
> MySQL + Linux/*BSD is the most natural fit and will perform the best.
> Optimisations for the Windows platform only came as an afterthought and I
> don't know if there is yet any parity performance-wise. This is an
> interesting question and perhaps I will try and do some sort of benchmark
> to
> see what the difference is, but I recommend you check out the following
> link
> in the meantime:
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/limits-windows.html
> If high performance isn't a requirement but just something that works
> decently, then I wouldn't worry too much about what platform to use and I'd
> recommend using those packaged Apache/PHP/MySQL stacks, such as WAMP or
> XAMPP (which is my personal recommendation), rather than installing MySQL
> alone. XAMPP is cross platform as well, so this makes things easier should
> you decide somewhere down the line to switch platforms. Everything is
> contained within a single directory, so migration is also trivial (on Linux
> and OS X, in my experience, anyways). It's just a matter of zipping (tar
> balling) up the XAMPP directory and dropping onto the new machine. Again, I
> only know for sure that this is the case on Linux and OS X.
>
> Regarding file sharing, SAMBA (the application on Linux that does SMB file
> sharing) is very powerful and flexible. It's pretty easy to knock up a
> simple setup that plays well in a Windows workgroup and many distros, like
> Ubuntu and OpenSuse, have made it as easy as simply right click on a folder
> and selection the option to share that directory. Things get more
> complicated, however, when you want it to do more advanced stuff, such as
> joining an Active Directory setup. I know that OpenSuse has a lead in this
> respect what with having user friendly GUI configuration of the more
> advanced SAMBA setups, but it is still worth considering that SAMBA is a
> different beast than what you are used to. Setting up MySQL on Linux is
> dead
> simple, but there's more of a learning curve with SAMBA (depending on what
> you want to do, of course).
>
> On the other hand (and I don't want to sound religious in saying this),
> but,
> typically with Linux, once you get a configuration nailed down, you should
> have a system that will be able to run pretty solid without many problems
> down the road. And the reason I believe this is because Linux is much more
> of a "static" system than Windows is, based more on configuration files and
> more of a separation of data, software and configuration as a matter of
> principle rather than complex software installations and registries and
> background processes doing x, y and z, etc that I often see for software on
> Windows. A distribution like Debian tends to be rather minimalist
> (especially if you install from the net boot iso), so you won't have a lot
> more stuff running in the background than is necessary for a shell to run,
> networking and whatever software you have selected to install, etc, if you
> catch my drift. From a security point of view, this is also great. If you
> keep your system setup to a minimum (OpenSSH server, MySQL server, Samba),
> then you will get less hassle with security updates. Saying that, if you
> are
> a competent Windows admin, then it is of course also possible to achieve a
> very robust system like that. I just think it takes a bit more effort and
> forethought. Perhaps that is debatable and may seem counterintuitive, but
> for the things that I deal with professionally, this is my experience.
>
> All in all, there is no reason you can't achieve exactly what you want and
> need with Linux. The question is, however, whether you are willing to make
> that investment.
>
> Think of it this way: Imagine an all Linux company which decides to install
> a Windows server, although they have little experience in doing so. While
> Windows is perfectly capable of doing what they need it to and may even be
> a
> better solution than the Linux one, it is still at a disadvantage. Problems
> with the Windows server may eventually translate into the perception that
> Windows is an inferior product that isn't capable of doing things correctly
> or is just difficult to maintain. It wouldn't be fair to say that, because,
> as you all know, Windows is anything but that. But I often deal with that
> sort of attitude from other people with regards to Linux, because they just
> don't understand it or are more suspicious of things that are different and
> hence more critical of it. So I've learnt to be careful when suggesting
> Linux to someone who, as you admit, has zero experience with it and is
> thinking of deploying it for a client who also has zero experience. It's
> easy for me to say something is simple to do, because I do it all the time,
> but thats not always going to be someone else's experience. Linux doesn't
> always offer the best solution, depending on what you want to do, and there
> are of course times where some piece of complex or buggy software may make
> it a frustrating experience.
>
> Finally, there is, of course, also the matter of the cost of buying a
> Windows Server license, which is another factor to take into account.
>
> If you do decide to go ahead with Linux, I will be happy to answer any
> questions. Relating to what Gustav suggested, I also know of another admin
> who I have worked with professionally and can vouch for who might be
> returning from the UK to Vancouver in the new year and also has experience
> with both Windows and Linux, so may be interested in consulting as well.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> PS.
> >> The other nagging, back of the head issue is, "how well does it play in
> an otherwise all windows network.  And how well does the windows network
> play with it?
>
> Incidentally, what exactly did you mean when you said you wonder if it
> plays
> well in an all windows network? On a networking level? Or regarding how
> well
> it integrates with AD and such?
>
>
> - Hans
>
>
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 05:53:07 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:53:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Sep 26 05:58:02 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:58:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>


http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html


Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 26 September 2011 11:53
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL

Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 06:07:02 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:07:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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That's the main reason why Monty has started  a new fork of the original
MySQL. I think that I'm going to drop MySQL and stick with Monty. He is
determined to keep his fork open, and also promises to stay abreast of MySQL
version to version. His new version is called Mariadb (he likes to name his
software after his daughters). You can get everything from askmonty.org.

Arthur

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>
> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html
>
>
> Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?
>
> Martin
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 06:40:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:40:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E8064C8.7010006@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yea Firefox does the same thing.  Not only that but each password is associated with the 
username and web site.  so the list says Website, Username, password.  Pretty much a shopping list 
of where to go and how to get in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 5:44 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Just thought I would share an experience with you.
>
> My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was working,
> building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.  He asked if he
> could check his email.  I said work away.
>
> Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use
> for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of them overlap and are
> the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did it?
>
> In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords.
> in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords
> probably IE has it also, but who uses that !
>
> No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.
>
> So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have
> saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be 100% sure you
> did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure
> you will not do so in the future.  remember to check all browsers on your
> machine.
>
> It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like
> that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.
>
> Mark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 06:59:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:59:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Cheap computers
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg4OyU4Y8jySn+ETtCNsGwP6KZ1syiPzzpnBR2jnB0i3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <se7a7416.066@cactus.dk>
	<4E7A6487.7020708@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAFj0BAyW5y-eTKnB8oAnZXOdD5zPjkh-RdLjDJN3Z3yte_+01w@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGXtTCiWm7EjgKw4_hCBc_b9=4JFtXOxusrgeKkQy6VRoKVnhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 > Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few ultra cheap pc's?

AMD's new generation of integrated CPU/GPU will give even more power for cheap.  The cores are 
essentially the same as the current gen AMD cores but the graphics processors are extremely powerful.

BTW I have just ordered a pair of seagate momentus xt hybrids and a Windows 7 family pack to upgrade 
my wife's and my laptops.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST95005620AS-Bare/dp/B
003NSBF32/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1316863239&sr=1-1

These specific disks have a long history of problems but Seagate appears to be aggressively 
addressing the issues trying to work the kinks out.  It seems that they are now generally problem 
free and they seem to work well for what they do - speeding up system and program startup.

I am hoping that between the disk and Windows 7, I can get a couple of more years out of these laptops.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 6:52 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Hans-Christian,
>
> Thank you for your detailed and interesting response to John's questions.
>
> I have been reading on my kindle a few of the PDF's on ubuntu over the last
> week or two.
>
> One additional reason that I want to play with Linux is simply because it is
> there.  I want to be part of the evolution of the linux world.  I make my
> living on SQL Server and do not see a time in the near future that I can
> switch, but I am enjoying learning a new technology.  It makes me feel like
> in 1988 when I was learning what DIR, CD\ and Copy *.* did.
>
> I purchased a new HP all in one office jet last Friday to replace my aging
> noisy A3 laser printer.  Of course it comes with Windows software.  On the
> family computer that I recently switched to Ubuntu 11.04, I sat down to
> install it, wondering whether it would be possible.  I was quite surprised
> when an hour later, I was scanning and printing wirelessly from Ubuntu to a
> shiny new HP scanner.
>
> Did I mention already here on the list that I have recently built a few
> ultra cheap pc's?  AMD Dual Core Athlon, 1 GB Ram, smallest disk I can buy,
> cheap and nasty case with integrated PSU and then installed Ubuntu.  The
> whole machine costs approx ?130 - ?150.  I am imaging the saving on hardware
> and software a company could make with 10 or 20 non-power users.  The
> performance was absolutely perfect BTW, as good as my i7 with Win7 that cost
> well over ?1000.
>
>
> Mark


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 07:01:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:01:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCixDe=2xtDj+vriT-2kC3RqOFSv++MMCnEttyHmAhMZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>	<4E787DD9.9040606@colbyconsulting.com>
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Mark,

 > Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on that box.

At this point I would not either. My understanding is that they will play together but it would be 
purely play (benchmarks), no business reason to do so.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 5:51 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Only one comment here, I would not dream of messing around with mySQL on
> that box.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 12:49, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>> SQL and mySQL
>>
>> I don't know how to do this.  I am a little hesitant to install MySQL on my
>> big server where I could do an A/B comparison with the big SQL database.  I
>> can install SQL server on the VMs with MySQL for testing but then you are
>> restricted to one core, x32 OS etc.
>>
>> Maybe some day, when I have tons of MySQL experience and am confident I
>> will not hose my server I will go ahead and install MySQL on that machine.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2011 6:57 PM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Ok, sorry, when you mentioned Access I assumed that the db's were not too
>>> big.
>>>
>>> Can I throw a few things out, just in case they are useful for you?
>>>
>>> 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>>> 2) I successfully installed mySQL on Ubuntu over the weekend - I have more
>>> testing to do but for your client, that's all free and it is good
>>> software.
>>> 3) Once you get your mySql server up, you can do all the rest of your work
>>> in MS world, just use mySQL as your data store.  No reason not to use
>>> VS2010
>>> as your FE and mySQL as your BE.
>>>
>>> Do not be afraid of Ubuntu, it is not that difficult and weirdly, it is
>>> satisfying in a way that Win 98, Millennium , Vista, Office 97, VS 2003
>>> (need I go on) can never be.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would adore to hear some results comparing your db between MS
>>> SQL
>>> and mySQL
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 September 2011 01:00, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The reasons are exactly what Jim mentioned.  The client currently has
>>>> around 5 gigs of data, or at least their mdb containers are around that
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> The free SQL Server express has the following limitations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) 10 gb file size
>>>> 2) 1 core maximum
>>>> 3) 1 gig ram maximum
>>>>
>>>> And the client has:
>>>>
>>>> 4) Serious money constraints today.
>>>>
>>>> SQL Server Express 2008 is just fine for a small database with a hand
>>>> full
>>>> of users but this is a fairly serious call center app, with 25 users in
>>>> the
>>>> database all the time.  It just feels like a single core and a single gig
>>>> is
>>>> starting with serious limitations.
>>>>
>>>> He was "written a check" for $2K for purchasing a new server to take him
>>>> into the future.  I proposed $2400 for a "roll your own" 8 core AMD 6128
>>>> and
>>>> 16 gigs of ram, a modern 8 port Areca raid controller and 3X 120g hard
>>>> drives.  He went back to the controller and got $3K.  With that he added
>>>> 5X
>>>> 1 tb drives to build out some real storage for the company.  They have
>>>> always had old ebay Dell servers with too little memory and too little
>>>> storage.  Always trying to shuffle things around to free up room.
>>>>
>>>> We are actually looking at starting with Windows XP X64 as the OS on this
>>>> (otherwise) entirely modern system.  If it works that gets rid of the "$X
>>>> per seat" for something like Windows 2008.  If we can use MySQL on that
>>>> with
>>>> let's say 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and a 60 gig SSD partition for the
>>>> database files he could have a fairly serious system for his company
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 2008 and SQL Server 2008 together were going to cost him around
>>>> $10K just for those two things.  While we may go there next year or the
>>>> year
>>>> after, I want to get him moving now.  We have been stuck in neutral and
>>>> rolling backwards for too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on
>>>>> all
>>>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>>>> is
>>>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>>>> version
>>>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 26 07:03:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:03:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Stored passwords
In-Reply-To: <4E8064C8.7010006@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAGXtTChHsUmcmc3MQorWTzJPyuE=9B_apbc1REq9gnnJk1=_qQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4E8064C8.7010006@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4E806A0D.20908.1B82AA33@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Which is why I never save bank etc logins in my browser.

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Sep 2011 at 7:40, jwcolby wrote:

> LOL, yea Firefox does the same thing.  Not only that but each password
> is associated with the username and web site.  so the list says
> Website, Username, password.  Pretty much a shopping list of where to
> go and how to get in.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> On 9/26/2011 5:44 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Just thought I would share an experience with you.
> >
> > My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning.  I was
> > working, building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine.
> >  He asked if he could check his email.  I said work away.
> >
> > Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords
> > that I use for various services, websites etc.  Of course some of
> > them overlap and are the same passwords.  Can you guess how he did
> > it?
> >
> > In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved
> > passwords. in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved
> > passwords probably IE has it also, but who uses that !
> >
> > No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text.
> >
> > So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only
> > have saved your low security passwords in your browser.  Can you be
> > 100% sure you did not accidentally save one of your important
> > passwords? Can you be sure you will not do so in the future. 
> > remember to check all browsers on your machine.
> >
> > It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my
> > passwords like that, within 10 seconds of sitting down.
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 07:04:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:04:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqVpWVwdWczMscBYhL6hVNK0cYNAF6gS8vF8j8qN+KNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEPJO1hqVpWVwdWczMscBYhL6hVNK0cYNAF6gS8vF8j8qN+KNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E806A4F.7090703@colbyconsulting.com>

If I go there I will probably do likewise.  I kind of assumed that the community version would 
continue development but perhaps MariaDb has become that development track.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 7:07 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> That's the main reason why Monty has started  a new fork of the original
> MySQL. I think that I'm going to drop MySQL and stick with Monty. He is
> determined to keep his fork open, and also promises to stay abreast of MySQL
> version to version. His new version is called Mariadb (he likes to name his
> software after his daughters). You can get everything from askmonty.org.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Martin Reid<mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions.html
>>
>>
>> Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?
>>
>> Martin
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 13:44:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:44:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we drove up the the Grand 
Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.

ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...

I can see how that might be a life changing experience!

;)

The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.

It was a good time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>
> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with someone
> in real life about the technologies.
>
> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
> experience.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 13:02, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> One of my "memories of a lifetime" was coming to Ireland to work with you.
>>   I just wanted to tell you that.
>>
>> Driving in to and from work with you every day, discussing everything from
>> databases to philosophy.  Mary came over and she and I got to travel Ireland
>> for two weeks.  Quite a wonderful experience. You were a most gracious host,
>> putting up with me.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 11:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim / Arthur
>>>
>>> Thanks for that analysis, quite accurate.
>>>
>>> Mr Colby, just a question, why are you not advising your client to use the
>>> free MS SQL express R2.  I use it all the time and PowerDNN use it on all
>>> there servers that host 100,000 DNN installations.  All free db's.  That
>>> is
>>> not to be sniffed it.  And there are loads of tools to help with the
>>> enterprise tools that Express does not ship with.  (Note:  the free
>>> version
>>> does give you SSMS)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 15:12:35 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:12:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>

Pictures available here...

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/myfamilyphotos.asp

GK

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.
>
> ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...
>
> I can see how that might be a life changing experience!
>
> ;)
>
> The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.
>
> It was a good time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>>
>> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with
>> someone
>> in real life about the technologies.
>>
>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference. ?For me, that was a life changing
>> experience.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 26 15:39:30 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:39:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>	<4E7880BD.2070001@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAGXtTCjYHoJ5wtd-4VVYLdHPac0TB=T6ne5eYhpYVua-kYrK3g@mail.gmail.com>	<4E80C7FB.6000408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJeKWhnHnKqycUzrefD01_QqKqVPA-dk5yqUTMMXTuWxg@mail.gmail.com>
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OMG I was a young man then.  Well.. younger... ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

On 9/26/2011 4:12 PM, Gary Kjos wrote:
> Pictures available here...
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/aboutus/myfamilyphotos.asp
>
> GK
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.
>>
>> ahh yes, Arizona in the middle of summer, a broken air conditioner...
>>
>> I can see how that might be a life changing experience!
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> The AccessD conference at Rocky's, burritos at the beach.
>>
>> It was a good time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 9/26/2011 6:47 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Yes, it was a great experience for me also.
>>>
>>> Still today, I miss the opportunity to chat on a regular basis with
>>> someone
>>> in real life about the technologies.
>>>
>>> But I wonder did the list also know that you invited me to Phoenix and we
>>> drove up the the Grand Canyon in your RV and the visited then visited Mr
>>> Smolin for the 1st AccessD conference.  For me, that was a life changing
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 26 19:32:25 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd:  [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAGXtTChgX27DaQ+RvVRi28Qzc7g7jM090XbYCg=ZLXjqijsCQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E768611.9070802@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCg34scQM=-POAqCDWL0odVzou7YftCOSKpjJmPCndtGpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E787BCB.9090006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGXtTCiLgJEeCHYvaGzsdBFz86fnWhQhvezCmhhrWVmXskPTmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGXtTCgpr7CixEJwiBUU60ZMU2R16AnkGao10DJi5XzqDU1EJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082956A2EE42B04@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8A94BC1EFFDF4FBEAF0CCD0CFB9F7FC0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very sad...but not unexpected.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:58 AM
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL


http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2011/09/oracle-adding-close-source-extensions
.html


Seems MySQL is no longer true open source?

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 26 September 2011 11:53
To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Fwd: [AccessD] MySQL

Hi John,


>Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
I am definitely not.  I can muddle through the same as you, but I am only a
few hours in to really playing with Ubuntu.  Since I have been working on
DNN and thinking about Open source concepts, I have come to like the
concept.  I hope I can learn more of Linux.  I do not think it is too late
for us.  In fact, an earlier might have been too early.

Mark




On 20 September 2011 12:40, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
> > 1) I have been playing with Ubuntu recently and it is fun.
>
> I am trying to install Ubuntu on a VM and it is not fun (and I haven't
> succeeded yet).  The SuSE install mostly just went, although in the end I
> was unable to get the tools installed for the virtual machine.  Ubuntu
must
> have asked a dozen questions in the first 2 minutes.  Unfortunately when
you
> are installing on a VM trying to answer those questions is an awkward
> sequence of tabs and enters and more tabs and enters etc to position the
> cursor in the right place, select text boxes etc.  Even then, after I
> managed to break the virtual disk into two partitions and tell it to use
the
> first, it told me I had to go make one of them the system partition or
> something like that.
>
> <rant mode>
>
> *JUST DO IT*
>
> It is precisely this geeky stuff that drives us nubees away.  I am trying
> to get the big picture done, not set partitions to system.
>
> </rant mode>
>
> So I still have no linux vm to play with.
>
> I assume I could probably set up Linux on a real physical box, it is just
> the added complexity of the vm that stops me dead.  And I have built at
> least a dozen Windows VM guests, truly click click done.
>
> Are you experienced enough you could do this for me?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 02:03:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:03:59 -0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
In-Reply-To: <3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4E752C1D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4E75328E.20690.144B1BE3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1iJ6Q7LmhO=5t7WDg2ORY5Kk5HO+pQD7gCbbH0WAvdetw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3795F6EA32CD42CE87963D4F3266D45E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1imPiGCezOgSe9UJbGuPS0kv90SAJFnGX7oyz_aUc147w@mail.gmail.com>

I think you lost me there, JC. Which product do you think looks pretty nice?


I think that you're ultimately right about Larry's intentions. No sense in
killing the cash cow for the NGOs etc.

But to be fair, insofar as I can be, why would Oracle buy Sun and by
inheritance MySQL? Perhaps these are separate questions, perhaps not. In
what sense is it in Larry's interest to crush MySQL? Granted, they have lots
of heavyweight customers and granted, it's easy enough to extract from them
some annual fee, but is that Larry's intention? To throttle the free
versions until the only customers might be a mom'n'pop donut shop with a
daughter in first year CS? Frankly, I don't get it.

So there are two big choices, depending on your needs:

a) relational, transactional, ACID etc..... go PostGreSQL
b) massive scalability (100K hits a minute) and principle task is to
retrieve text to fill a web page.

These are radically different demands, and I don't think it possible for one
product to satisfy both. For the former situation, something like Oracle or
MS SQL Server or Sybase or PostGreSQL or MySQL is appropriate. For the
latter category, all the former fall dismally short of the requirements.

Category b makes no bones about its demands, in terms of hardware. Be
prepared to throw lots and lots of hardware at this zapproach, because the
whole idea is that the entire database lives in RAM. In many situations,
that is impossible, but if so, think instead that all the indexes and the
most popular hits live in RAM, with the rest available within a second --
and this applies to 100,000 or 1,000,000 simultaneous users.

That's the crucial difference. Actually, there are two differences. The
first case involves a lot more data-entry than the second. or to put it
another way, the second case wants a lot more foreplay before concluding the
transaction.

In the first case, a customer phones or emails or faxes a purchase order,
however casual. "I want that set of lawn chairs and the circular table and
the umbrella. Delivered, please."

In the second case, the login is searching for information. It could
ultimately lead to a purchase, as in the case of Amazon or eBay, but it
could also be a pure search for information, as in the case of most
wikiPedia hits.

Many sites have combined these two scenarios, Google and Amazon and Netflix
notably. So, the design question becomes, do we use two different databases,
one for page retrieval and the other for transactions, or try to do it all
in one? The all-in-RAM approach is dangerous for transactional integrity, so
if we do the all-in-one approach, then it's got to be one of the relational
database solutions mentioned above. But the performance hit is astronomical,
so there we are. Perhaps the correct solution is two databases rather than
one -- the first delivers all the content, and the second kicks in at
transaction-time.

The benchmarks of such products as Mongo and similar NoSQL implementations
are phenomenal, given their preferred domain, retrieving mostly text for
vast numbers of users at once. Yes, there are hardware demands, but given
abundant RAM and thousands of hits per minute, this is clearly the way to
go. And then at some point, the given views may or may not turn into a
transaction, at which point the NoSQL front end could hand off a couple of
IDs to the transactional engine, which would complete the transaction.

I haven't yet worked out the transport mechanism for the hand-off from the
"Mongo" (I use that term because it was the first such db I encountered, and
not because I think it's the best) to the relational/transactional db.
Several approaches come to mind, mitigated by external variables such as
fixed-quantity vs. unlimited quantity (concert tickets vs. shirts), and that
would have to be sorted out business by business. That does not refute the
argument I am presenting here, which is that there are two requirements in
operations such as Amazon, NetFlix, eBay and even wikiPedia. The first is to
grab textual data as quickly as possible for a vast number of simultaneous
users. The second is to undertake transactions once the users have made
their selections. My conclusion is that the first task is better handled by
an in-RAM database such as Mongo, and that the latter is better handled by a
traditional relational database such as Oracle or SQL Server or Sybase or
MySQL or PostGreSQL

One hand-off method would be a queue such as one might implement in MSMQ, or
simply write oneself. That only works in the world of unlimited quantities,
however. In the world of fixed-inventory (400 tickets to a soccer match, and
no more can be acquired), simple queues won't work, because people want to
know *now* whether they've got their tickets. Between these extremes are
many other situations wherein supply versus demand figures in various subtle
ways. But I digress.

The question I want to raise is, What do you think of the distinction I am
trying to make, and my proposition that in situations like these, two dbs
(and implementation styles) are better than one?

A.
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Postgesql and Postgres Plus are the heirs apparent. They can now do what
> MySQL will ever be allowed to do and that is become an enterprise database.
> Oracle has no intention of building a free competitor.
>
> Read more: http://www.postgresql.org/,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL and
>
> http://www.enterprisedb.com/products-services-training/products/postgres-plu
> s-advanced-server
>
> There are lots of documents and samples and the product is very stable.
> There has been a lot of excitement with the latest versions.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server
> Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
>
> There are some nice things about MySQL but on the other hand I definitely
> do
> not like where Oracle is going with this puppy since its acquisition of Sun
> and by inheritance MySQL. I'm still on the fence about these developments,
> but quite frankly I am leaning against Oracle on all these transmutations
> of
> what was originally a simple, straightforward approach. At last
> recollection, Monty has departed, and with him, I fear, has the guiding
> vision of this product.
>
> Frankly, I am all over the place on where next to go: I look at Mongo and
> see it exquisite for web-apps but not for OLTP situations. I look at
> PostGreSQL and think it's got a bunch of things right. I look at Oracle and
> MS-SQL and think they have some things right as well. I frankly do not have
> any clue into which basket to toss my next eggs.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > I run MySQL locally as part of a WAMP installation and remotely on our
> > FreeBSD servers.
> >
> > I use phpMyAdmin for all the administration.   It's a very intuitive
> > interface.
> >
> > It's possibly worth installing WAMP just for the phpMyAdmin.
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 17 Sep 2011 at 19:24, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > > For now I have to figure out how to create a database.  Is it the same
> > > concept as SQL Server?  A file or set of files where tables, indexes,
> > > views etc are stored?  I assumed there would be some visual designer
> > > that would allow me to create the db, then tables etc.  It looks like
> > > that stuff is in "SQL Development".
> > >
> > > This thing looks pretty nice, but very different on the surface.
> > >
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From ha at phulse.com  Wed Sep 21 20:58:43 2011
From: ha at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:58:43 -0000
Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] MySQL
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John,

>> So this is the company database?  The books, the clients, the invoices
etc?  The kinds of things that you used to put in Access or SQL Server?

Regarding clients, we still retain this sort of data in a relational
database, as it makes most sense for us. Stuff like invoices and all that
sort of thing, we use accounting software for that. The nature of our
business doesn't require any integration between our online services and
accounting, which vastly simplifies things. The sort of thing we tend to
store in our NoSQL databases are things that don't really require it to be
in a relational db but fits well into an MVC type application. Things like
website user data, lookup/reference tables, blob type data, I've even
implemented an abstract file interface, so we use it as a distributed file
server instead of using a file server for that sort of thing (for the sake
of redundancy, which is very difficult to do with traditional file servers).
Admittedly, we have only just implemented it, so we are still in the process
of migrating data when it makes sense to, but I don't think I ever want to
discard our RDBMS. It will always have an importance role, but we are moving
things across that don't need to be in a relational database for all the
benefits that NoSQL databases provide.

Hans-Christian




On 21 September 2011 03:41, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Hans,
>
>
> >Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling that you get
> with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is the sort of thing
> that *small and large web companies* look to these days.
>
> So this is the company database?  The books, the clients, the invoices etc?
>  The kinds of things that you used to put in Access or SQL Server?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 9/21/2011 2:10 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> At my company, we have implemented Cassandra (a NoSQL database)
>> partitioned
>> under 3 nodes. Yes, there are pros and cons, but the simplicity of scaling
>> that you get with NoSQL databases can far outweigh the cons and this is
>> the
>> sort of thing that small and large web companies look to these days.
>> Something that has been some what of a difficulty for RDBMS's. We do also
>> keep a subset if our data within a traditional RDBMS, because thats what
>> makes sense for that data.
>>
>> It really comes down to your requirements and knowing the tools you work
>> with.
>>
>> Hans-Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 September 2011 18:28, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hadoop, of course, is the Apache Software Foundation project created
>>> several years ago by then-Yahoo employee Doug Cutting. It has become a
>>> critical tool for web companies ? including Yahoo and Facebook ? to
>>> process
>>> their ever-growing volumes of unstructured data, and is fast making its
>>> way
>>> into organizations of all types and sizes. Hadoop has spawned a number of
>>> commercial distributions and products, too, including from Cloudera, EMC
>>>  and IBM.
>>>
>>> My data is not unstructured.
>>>
>>> Do you actually read this stuff?  I did actually read what you sent round
>>> the last time and all they discussed was data captured from and displayed
>>> in
>>> web pages.  Not a single mention of parent child relations 12 levels
>>> deep,
>>> no mention at all of BofA tearing down their systems, flattening out
>>> their
>>> data and storing it on one of these things.  Lots of talk of Google (web
>>> data) face book (web data) yahoo (web data) etc ad nauseum.
>>>
>>> The fact that this thing worked for some specific thing that you did
>>> doesn't make it fit everything out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>>>>
>>> land database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data
>>> on
>>> any encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same results.
>>>
>>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>  A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
>>>>
>>> at the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>>
>>> IOW a relational database was a poor fit for this particular task.
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> Are you generalizing from those examples that a relational database is a
>>> poor fit for any task?
>>>
>>> Hmmmm.....
>>>
>>> I don't work with Google.  I don't have a budget of millions.  I don't
>>> have
>>> a programming staff of hundreds or thousands.  I don't have server farms
>>> with a thousand nodes and a billion documents.  I am not a provincial
>>> government with a huge land database, nor am I a legislature with too
>>> many
>>> notes to keep track of.
>>>
>>> So how exactly again does any of this fit what I do?  Sorry but ya lost
>>> me.
>>>
>>> OTOH if you say you can reproduce my system for a couple of hundred of
>>> hours of work and it will be a million times faster on my same system I
>>> will
>>> pay you to do that.  Delivered results of course.
>>>
>>> I kinda get that I should keep on with my development effort while I
>>> await
>>> your delivered system.  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> On 9/20/2011 8:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>  You are living out of stream John.
>>>>
>>>> I know of a number of people now who are working with such technology
>>>> and
>>>> very successfully, I might add, but the technology is not Main Street,
>>>> as
>>>> it
>>>> is not advertised similar to Linux. It will take longer to be common
>>>> knowledge, as there is no huge advertising machine behind Open Source
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Our provincial government has been working with Google to build a huge
>>>> land
>>>> database and the results are stellar. Milliseconds to pull all data on
>>>> any
>>>> encumbrances on a lot or parcels of lots. Before, running with the
>>>> traditional SQL technologies it would take hours to get the same
>>>> results.
>>>> People working with the new system thought it was broken at first as the
>>>> results were so fast...now they have become use to instantaneous
>>>> gratification. The interesting thing is that the new system is using the
>>>> old
>>>> hardware as the project was supposed to be just a test...some test.
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago, I installed a blade, painted indigo and marked Google,
>>>> at
>>>> the legislator. The box was supposed to take all the comments from the
>>>> sessions, translate them into text and then allow anyone to pull the
>>>> comments back from any time within that session. Again, standard SQL had
>>>> been tried and had failed...and again instantaneous gratification.
>>>>
>>>> There are many other instananeous of this type Reduces map technology is
>>>> being used but it is only for situations where huge chunks of data need
>>>> to
>>>> pull results from very complex queries and quickly. It is also for
>>>> someone
>>>> with a limited budget as NOSQL databases do not need place holder fields
>>>> for
>>>> partially filled rows. This generally translates into a complex set of
>>>> data
>>>> filling less than half the space of a traditional SQL DB and therefore
>>>> less
>>>> hardware.
>>>>
>>>> There are even new hybred data solutions coming out where both Map
>>>> Reduce
>>>> and traditional SQL are being used to extract data.
>>>>
>>>> " ...LexisNexis is releasing a set of open-source, data-processing tools
>>>> that it says outperforms Hadoop and even handles workloads Hadoop
>>>> presently
>>>> can't. The technology (and new business line) is called HPCC Systems...
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>> http://gigaom.com/cloud/****lexisnexis-open-sources-its-****
>>>> hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/**lexisnexis-open-sources-its-**hadoop-killer/>
>>>> <http://gigaom.**com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-**sources-its-hadoop-killer/<http://gigaom.com/cloud/lexisnexis-open-sources-its-hadoop-killer/>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
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