From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Mon Oct 15 13:48:30 2018 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:48:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Message-ID: Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re running out of. So we need some. So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 15 13:57:38 2018 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:57:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> Put me down ?50 what even that is in dollars Martin Sent from my Huawei Mobile -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive From: Bryan Carbonnell To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com CC: Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re running out of. So we need some. So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From delam at zyterra.com Mon Oct 15 14:08:31 2018 From: delam at zyterra.com (Zyterra) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:08:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Put me in for $50 Debbie I cannot be perfect, but I can choose to be better than I was yesterday. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > Dear List(s): > > > > The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. > > > > Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re > running out of. So we need some. > > > > So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running > for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. > > > > Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy > details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. > > > > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A > > > > But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real > bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you > need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. > > > > Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to > pull the trigger. > > > > I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis > Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and > suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to > salvage AccessD. > > > > And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and > everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on > the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re > still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} > > > > I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be > that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at > night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or > Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have > been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. > Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have > never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the > drain. > > > > But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the > popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull > my chestnuts out of the fire. > > > > So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can > count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t > want to think about that. > > > > So let us hear from you. > > > > If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each > putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. > > > > OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see > how easy that was?) > > > > You? > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bill_patten at outlook.com Mon Oct 15 14:33:38 2018 From: bill_patten at outlook.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:33:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> References: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> Message-ID: I'm fully retired now, but AccessD has helped me over the years so I'll kick in $25 Bill -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:57 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server ; administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Put me down ?50 what even that is in dollars Martin Sent from my Huawei Mobile -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive From: Bryan Carbonnell To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com CC: Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re running out of. So we need some. So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From David at sierranevada.com Mon Oct 15 14:52:53 2018 From: David at sierranevada.com (David Lewis) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:52:53 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] dba-SQLServer Digest, Vol 159, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm late onto this thread, but without any details on the table structures, the data itself, the indexes, and the udfs, it is hard to give much advice. Tools like idera can give some indication as to issues, but the canned advice they give should be treated very much as 'trust but verify'. Having said all that, udfs are query performance killers. They often seem like a good idea, and when only one or a couple of rows are returned their load is not large, but because they execute FOR EACH ROW EVALUATED, as soon as the data set grows, performance plummets. That is the first place to look. More than that, I can't say without a lot more details. ________________________________ From: J- P Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:27 PM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] sql performance monitoring I don't know if this ok to post here, but would anyone be interested in, or recommend someone or company, to get this fixed? ________________________________ From: dba-SQLServer on behalf of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:28 PM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] sql performance monitoring Absolutely! Poor database and query designs causing multiple table scans (that incudes the "index supression" lines) will make queries very slow. On 25 Apr 2018 at 21:18, J- P wrote: > so i tried IDERA sqldoc for 5 minutes (thanks Francisco) and you > guys hit it on the head, it would appear to me (and please correct me > if I'm wrong) that I now have evidence that it is not > hardware/VM/server config causing poor performance. > > > Missing index on [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleItems] > An implicit conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Inventory].[InvenConflict] to data type > "tinyint" may be causing index suppression Duplicate index > found on [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[JobHeader] Duplicate index > found on [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[JobHeader] Single use > Ad-hoc plans are using 92.1 MB of procedure cache > Index [SchedEmpID] on > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees] is disabled > The function "like" on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Contacts].[Company] may be causing a > table scan The function "like" on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleItems].[JFunction] may be > causing a table scan An implicit conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Inventory].[InvenHideOnLoadSheet] to > data type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An > implicit conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Inventory].[InvenDisplayItem] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Driver] to data type > "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Contacts].[Hide] to > data type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An > implicit conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[ScheduleEmployees].[Inactive] to data > type "tinyint" may be causing index suppression An implicit > conversion on column > [CLIENTDB_NAME].[dbo].[Inventory].[InvenObsolete] to data type > "tinyint" may be causing index suppression > > > > > > > > > From: dba-SQLServer on > behalf of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, April 25, > 2018 4:32 PM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: > [dba-SQLServer] sql performance monitoring > > Just a note, and this observation is at least a decade old; UDFs > seemed to slow down performance and for that reason, at one point, I > never used them. OTOH, newer version of MS SQL may have optimized > these functions by loading them in memory. Oracle had that feature > where an admin person could choose to keep certain functions loaded in > memory or just make them sticky... > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com> > To: "Discussion concerning MS SQL Server" databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 10:11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] sql performance monitoring > > One other thing concerning Access functions, including UDFs. Many > Access functions have SQL equivalents, and most UDFs can be ported to > SQL. Performance gains may not be dramatic regarding UDFs, however. > > Also, has it been considered that the big problem might be the VM? It > might be useful to experiment with a dedicated server rather than a > VM, on a weekend or sometime when nobody's using the system. Hardware > is so inexpensive now that the performance penalty incurred by the VM > software may not be worth it. > > From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com Mon Oct 15 14:59:26 2018 From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:59:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> Message-ID: Much the same, far from Access these days but I'll kick in $25 for old times' sake. Liz -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:34 PM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive I'm fully retired now, but AccessD has helped me over the years so I'll kick in $25 Bill -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:57 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server ; administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Put me down ?50 what even that is in dollars Martin Sent from my Huawei Mobile -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive From: Bryan Carbonnell To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com CC: Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we're running out of. So we need some. So here's the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A But what we're really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there's no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I've been a member of DBA before it was DBA - when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they're still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can't count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It's a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can't.well I don't want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we're there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let's get it started. I'm good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:18:44 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:18:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com> We don't need a PayPal account to contribute, correct? Susan H. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A From John.Bartow at live.com Mon Oct 15 17:35:12 2018 From: John.Bartow at live.com (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:35:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com> References: <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: IIRC most any major card can used in leu of an account. -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 5:19 PM To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive We don't need a PayPal account to contribute, correct? Susan H. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 15 18:27:11 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 16:27:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com> References: <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801d464de$99535680$cbfa0380$@bchacc.com> That's my understanding. -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:19 PM To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive We don't need a PayPal account to contribute, correct? Susan H. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87N EVPU9A _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 15 18:35:39 2018 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 16:35:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: , <001b01d464c8$a79fc6d0$f6df5470$@de> Message-ID: <003901d464df$c85debb0$5919c310$@bchacc.com> Thanks Dik. I'll forward your email to Bryan who has the membership lists. The PayPal link will be available for a while. Best, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK Robinson Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Hi Rocky I didn't get your original mail - don't know why - might be worth sending it out again in case others didn't either ... I've effectively been retired for more than ten years, but had great times with Access - SQL Server too. A bit preoccupied recently fighting off two lots of cancer - so far so good. ? Put me down for fifty bucks if you need it - whatever that is in GBP - my pension can stand it! May be a delay while I'm away, but will be around in November. Best of luck, and good wishes to all. John ________________________________ From: AccessD on behalf of Helmut Kotsch Sent: 15 October 2018 20:50 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Hi Rocky, Put me down for $30. Regards Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Bryan Carbonnell Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2018 20:49 An: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Betreff: [AccessD] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re running out of. So we need some. So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484178421&sdata=HFJ%2BvJbDxjvhISY1qEDrJuaf71k8f%2FKKJXrXCX7MQbA%3D&reserved=0 But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.bchacc.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=Ilbi23fji32DVreTRLpULfWeAcS0w%2FVSRfJk4F37s0w%3D&reserved=0 https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.e-z-mrp.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=jJ85uOij45nq6oQEon6GtWkFSxwai3lkKavuRjhob84%3D&reserved=0 Skype: rocky.smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdatabaseadvisors.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faccessd&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=IA9ppw960Jpu7hYNv4%2F9WazfzjXi3MxnWzAXFAJqUyA%3D&reserved=0 Website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.databaseadvisors.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=v5AA0Lqjx5vi3DYsQhqASWqiwD7y%2FTpeX8GxvAokqa0%3D&reserved=0 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdatabaseadvisors.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faccessd&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=IA9ppw960Jpu7hYNv4%2F9WazfzjXi3MxnWzAXFAJqUyA%3D&reserved=0 Website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.databaseadvisors.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc041b25406534b3b35f708d632e01df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636752335484334673&sdata=v5AA0Lqjx5vi3DYsQhqASWqiwD7y%2FTpeX8GxvAokqa0%3D&reserved=0 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 15 18:58:44 2018 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:58:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <003801d464de$99535680$cbfa0380$@bchacc.com> References: , <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com>, <003801d464de$99535680$cbfa0380$@bchacc.com> Message-ID: <5BC529B4.11445.A53CAF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Correct, you just need a Credit or Debit Card. On 15 Oct 2018 at 16:27, Rocky Smolin wrote: > That's my understanding. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-SQLServer > [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:19 PM To: 'Discussion > concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - > Database Advisors Funding Drive > > We don't need a PayPal account to contribute, correct? > > Susan H. > > > > Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the > messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. > > > > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=S > GVT87N EVPU9A > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 20:02:52 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:02:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <5BC529B4.11445.A53CAF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <033c01d464d5$09deb930$1d9c2b90$@gmail.com>, <003801d464de$99535680$cbfa0380$@bchacc.com> <5BC529B4.11445.A53CAF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <036001d464eb$f7721cd0$e6565670$@gmail.com> Thanks! Correct, you just need a Credit or Debit Card. On 15 Oct 2018 at 16:27, Rocky Smolin wrote: > That's my understanding. > > > We don't need a PayPal account to contribute, correct? > > Susan H. From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Tue Oct 16 22:46:10 2018 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:46:10 +1300 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL Message-ID: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi Listers, I have a client with an SQL database in SQL 2014 with an Access accde front end running in Access 2016. A form uses an ADODB.Recordset assigned to the forms Recordset property to get the records for the form. The user can change a record and save it ok the first time but if they try to change the same record again without refreshing the data they get a Write Conflict error "This record has been changed by another user since you started editing it. If you save the record you will overwrite the changes the other user made. Copying the changes to the clipboard will let you look at the values the other user entered, and then paste your changes back in if you decide to make changes." The table for the records contains a timestamp data type field, and doesn't have any bit fields (these are the two main suggestions from other posts I have found). I have used the same Access database in Access 2010 with SQL2008 and it doesn't cause the error. Where should I start looking to work out why the form works on one configuration but not the other? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 07:30:21 2018 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:30:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> I've read about his problem before, but I don't actually have a solution or hint for you, but perhaps this will help: < https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/sqlserver/en-US/ce92437b-da89-47d9- 9bbf-38a84b74ee62/receiving-write-conflict-error-when-trying-to-update-linke d-sql-server-table-that-contains-a?forum=accessdev> Susan H. Hi Listers, I have a client with an SQL database in SQL 2014 with an Access accde front end running in Access 2016. A form uses an ADODB.Recordset assigned to the forms Recordset property to get the records for the form. The user can change a record and save it ok the first time but if they try to change the same record again without refreshing the data they get a Write Conflict error "This record has been changed by another user since you started editing it. If you save the record you will overwrite the changes the other user made. Copying the changes to the clipboard will let you look at the values the other user entered, and then paste your changes back in if you decide to make changes." The table for the records contains a timestamp data type field, and doesn't have any bit fields (these are the two main suggestions from other posts I have found). I have used the same Access database in Access 2010 with SQL2008 and it doesn't cause the error. Where should I start looking to work out why the form works on one configuration but not the other? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 07:40:57 2018 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:40:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - UPDATE Database Advisors Funding Drive Message-ID: Dear List(s): The finance committee (formed just now) would like to express their gratitude at the generosity of the members of Database Advisors. Through your pledges (which I trust will become contributions today) you have guaranteed the continuing presence of the Lists, and valued the help and advice we all receive. If you have not pledged or contributed yet, but are one of those people who are susceptible to moral suasion, don?t fight it. The PayPal site will be waiting for you at https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A . For those of you who can?t or won?t use PayPal, you can send a check to me, made out to Rocky Smolin and I will deposit it and make the corresponding contribution at the PayPal site. Send the check to: Rocky Smolin 1014 Tulip Way Carlsbad, California 92011 Again, to each of you who have pledged and/or paid, you have solved in a day what could have been an awkward problem and assured the uninterrupted presence of Database Advisors. Your Finance Committee (all of whom are finding out at this moment that they are on a Finance Committee)(which will teach them not to miss the meetings), Susan, John, Keith, Bryan, and Rocky -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From djkr at msn.com Wed Oct 17 09:28:18 2018 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK Robinson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:28:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - UPDATE Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Done. Thanks for your efforts in organising this - and everything! John ________________________________ From: dba-SQLServer on behalf of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: 17 October 2018 12:40 To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - UPDATE Database Advisors Funding Drive Dear List(s): The finance committee (formed just now) would like to express their gratitude at the generosity of the members of Database Advisors. Through your pledges (which I trust will become contributions today) you have guaranteed the continuing presence of the Lists, and valued the help and advice we all receive. If you have not pledged or contributed yet, but are one of those people who are susceptible to moral suasion, don?t fight it. The PayPal site will be waiting for you at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DSGVT87NEVPU9A&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cedd8f220cfb74ac1699108d6342eb28a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636753772497984306&sdata=YX2YXBz96cxpJe38BMoQeWGZgfUuum8eQ6qnPbLkmFw%3D&reserved=0 . For those of you who can?t or won?t use PayPal, you can send a check to me, made out to Rocky Smolin and I will deposit it and make the corresponding contribution at the PayPal site. Send the check to: Rocky Smolin 1014 Tulip Way Carlsbad, California 92011 Again, to each of you who have pledged and/or paid, you have solved in a day what could have been an awkward problem and assured the uninterrupted presence of Database Advisors. Your Finance Committee (all of whom are finding out at this moment that they are on a Finance Committee)(which will teach them not to miss the meetings), Susan, John, Keith, Bryan, and Rocky -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdatabaseadvisors.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdba-sqlserver&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cedd8f220cfb74ac1699108d6342eb28a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636753772497984306&sdata=OywnQiqajpouPmAoh66zrgPzo3%2B66nrnp98VNPr2Ue8%3D&reserved=0 https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.databaseadvisors.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cedd8f220cfb74ac1699108d6342eb28a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636753772497984306&sdata=HQFEVITFXdwoY4IeCpbVAykvXZaJaByvLrWKwojgdYc%3D&reserved=0 From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Oct 17 13:41:39 2018 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:41:39 +1300 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> Thanks Susan, I will try removing the timestamp to see if this helps. Since records are almost always only used by one user I may get away with it (famous last words). Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 1:30 a.m. To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL I've read about his problem before, but I don't actually have a solution or hint for you, but perhaps this will help: < https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/sqlserver/en-US/ce92437b-da89-47d9- 9bbf-38a84b74ee62/receiving-write-conflict-error-when-trying-to-update-linke d-sql-server-table-that-contains-a?forum=accessdev> Susan H. Hi Listers, I have a client with an SQL database in SQL 2014 with an Access accde front end running in Access 2016. A form uses an ADODB.Recordset assigned to the forms Recordset property to get the records for the form. The user can change a record and save it ok the first time but if they try to change the same record again without refreshing the data they get a Write Conflict error "This record has been changed by another user since you started editing it. If you save the record you will overwrite the changes the other user made. Copying the changes to the clipboard will let you look at the values the other user entered, and then paste your changes back in if you decide to make changes." The table for the records contains a timestamp data type field, and doesn't have any bit fields (these are the two main suggestions from other posts I have found). I have used the same Access database in Access 2010 with SQL2008 and it doesn't cause the error. Where should I start looking to work out why the form works on one configuration but not the other? Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd Wellington, New Zealand From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:37:01 2018 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:37:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: I didn't follow Susan's link, nor can I provide precise instructions, but my feeling is that this is the responsibility of the database, not the UI or UX. Upon receipt and acceptance of a row-lock. the first user who succeeds in locking a row has control until the update has completed or cancelled. Other users attempting to edit the row of interest should receive a message that someone else has locked the row; please try again in a minute or so. Arthur On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 2:43 PM David Emerson wrote: > Thanks Susan, > > I will try removing the timestamp to see if this helps. Since records are > almost always only used by one user I may get away with it (famous last > words). > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 1:30 a.m. > To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL > > I've read about his problem before, but I don't actually have a solution or > hint for you, but perhaps this will help: > > < > > https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/sqlserver/en-US/ce92437b-da89-47d9- > > 9bbf-38a84b74ee62/receiving-write-conflict-error-when-trying-to-update-linke > d-sql-server-table-that-contains-a?forum=accessdev > > > > > Susan H. > > Hi Listers, > > I have a client with an SQL database in SQL 2014 with an Access accde front > end running in Access 2016. > > A form uses an ADODB.Recordset assigned to the forms Recordset property to > get the records for the form. > > The user can change a record and save it ok the first time but if they try > to change the same record again without refreshing the data they get a > Write > Conflict error "This record has been changed by another user since you > started editing it. If you save the record you will overwrite the changes > the other user made. > > Copying the changes to the clipboard will let you look at the values the > other user entered, and then paste your changes back in if you decide to > make changes." > > The table for the records contains a timestamp data type field, and doesn't > have any bit fields (these are the two main suggestions from other posts I > have found). > > I have used the same Access database in Access 2010 with SQL2008 and it > doesn't cause the error. > > Where should I start looking to work out why the form works on one > configuration but not the other? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Arthur From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Wed Oct 17 17:59:36 2018 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:59:36 +1300 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <002c01d4666d$1397f060$3ac7d120$@dalyn.co.nz> Hi Arthur, The problem is that there is only one user in the database. They get the error when they change a record, move to another record (which saves the first record change), go back to the first record and try to change the same record again without refreshing the data. Regards David Emerson Dalyn Software Ltd 999 Moonshine Rd, RD 1 Judgeford, Porirua? 5381 Phone??? (04) 235-6782 Mob????? (027) 280-9348 -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 11:37 a.m. To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL I didn't follow Susan's link, nor can I provide precise instructions, but my feeling is that this is the responsibility of the database, not the UI or UX. Upon receipt and acceptance of a row-lock. the first user who succeeds in locking a row has control until the update has completed or cancelled. Other users attempting to edit the row of interest should receive a message that someone else has locked the row; please try again in a minute or so. Arthur On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 2:43 PM David Emerson wrote: > Thanks Susan, > > I will try removing the timestamp to see if this helps. Since records are > almost always only used by one user I may get away with it (famous last > words). > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 1:30 a.m. > To: 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' > Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL > > I've read about his problem before, but I don't actually have a solution or > hint for you, but perhaps this will help: > > < > > https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/sqlserver/en-US/ce92437b-da89-47d9- > > 9bbf-38a84b74ee62/receiving-write-conflict-error-when-trying-to-update-linke > d-sql-server-table-that-contains-a?forum=accessdev > > > > > Susan H. > > Hi Listers, > > I have a client with an SQL database in SQL 2014 with an Access accde front > end running in Access 2016. > > A form uses an ADODB.Recordset assigned to the forms Recordset property to > get the records for the form. > > The user can change a record and save it ok the first time but if they try > to change the same record again without refreshing the data they get a > Write > Conflict error "This record has been changed by another user since you > started editing it. If you save the record you will overwrite the changes > the other user made. > > Copying the changes to the clipboard will let you look at the values the > other user entered, and then paste your changes back in if you decide to > make changes." > > The table for the records contains a timestamp data type field, and doesn't > have any bit fields (these are the two main suggestions from other posts I > have found). > > I have used the same Access database in Access 2010 with SQL2008 and it > doesn't cause the error. > > Where should I start looking to work out why the form works on one > configuration but not the other? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 05:11:30 2018 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 06:11:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: <002c01d4666d$1397f060$3ac7d120$@dalyn.co.nz> References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> <002c01d4666d$1397f060$3ac7d120$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: In that case, I'd do a form.Refresh the row is initially saved. You can either call the Refresh explicitly or re-enter the RecordSource (as text). A. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 7:00 PM David Emerson wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > The problem is that there is only one user in the database. They get the > error when they change a record, move to another record (which saves the > first record change), go back to the first record and try to change the > same record again without refreshing the data. > > From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz Thu Oct 18 14:06:05 2018 From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:06:05 +1300 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In-Reply-To: References: <006301d465cb$f1759b50$d460d1f0$@dalyn.co.nz> <00c901d46615$2f45d8c0$8dd18a40$@gmail.com> <000f01d46649$0a82d860$1f888920$@dalyn.co.nz> <002c01d4666d$1397f060$3ac7d120$@dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: <000f01d46715$9f303da0$dd90b8e0$@dalyn.co.nz> That might be a pain for the users as the forms are continuous and the users are updating multiple rows at a time. At this stage we have got around it by removing the timestamp field which has solved the problem. I just need to confirm that this won't cause other problems. David -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2018 11:12 p.m. To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer] Write Conflict Error - Access and SQL In that case, I'd do a form.Refresh the row is initially saved. You can either call the Refresh explicitly or re-enter the RecordSource (as text). A. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 7:00 PM David Emerson wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > The problem is that there is only one user in the database. They get the > error when they change a record, move to another record (which saves the > first record change), go back to the first record and try to change the > same record again without refreshing the data. From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 07:07:45 2018 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:07:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> References: <-dn0pho-5m9pw7-etrizasgryps-yal2z677qvfv-34d7st3ursru-l9w022-ew6hz911bcnc7te4yb1anr3y-b8nlujt4775k-lmzfue-pkz0g0pcydrrsel66-xwodt3-q57eib-kmcqp8jl0aj1t5r44k.1539629857508@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8f21e792-e05e-1ec5-ebfe-4ba98a317fa3@Gmail.com> I just got in with Paypal.? Sent $50. On 10/15/2018 2:57 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Put me down ?50 what even that is in dollars > > Martin > > Sent from my Huawei Mobile > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive > From: Bryan Carbonnell > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com > CC: > > Dear List(s): > > > > The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. > > > > Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re > running out of. So we need some. > > > > So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running > for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. > > > > Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy > details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. > > > > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A > > > > But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real > bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you > need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. > > > > Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to > pull the trigger. > > > > I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis > Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and > suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to > salvage AccessD. > > > > And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and > everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on > the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re > still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} > > > > I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be > that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at > night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or > Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have > been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. > Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have > never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the > drain. > > > > But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the > popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull > my chestnuts out of the fire. > > > > So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can > count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t > want to think about that. > > > > So let us hear from you. > > > > If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each > putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. > > > > OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see > how easy that was?) > > > > You? > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 760-683-5777 > > www.bchacc.com > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > . > -- John W. Colby From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au Mon Oct 22 03:27:09 2018 From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:27:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did $30 USD via Access D. Hope that keeps the lights on. This is a great service that is much appreciated. Cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: dba-SQLServer On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 5:49 AM To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Database Advisors Funding Drive Dear List(s): The time has come to have a serious talk. About money. Domain names and internet hosting costs real actual money. Which we?re running out of. So we need some. So here?s the deal. We need about $500 to keep Database Advisors running for another year. Less than that for the next few years after that. Keith Williamson, who has been a real brick about taking care of the messy details, has set up a PayPal site where we can contribute dough. https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=SGVT87NEVPU9A But what we?re really interested in is your intention to donate some real bread to the cause. After all, there?s no sense in raising $250 when you need $500 and the thing goes down the tubes for lack of a few bucks. Reply to this email and tell us how much you will donate if we decide to pull the trigger. I?ve been a member of DBA before it was DBA ? when it was hosted by Memphis Technologies for free and then one day they decided to pull the plug and suddenly we were all talking to each other through a yahoo group, trying to salvage AccessD. And we did it. DBA is an actual corporation with stock certificates and everything. A bunch of us chipped in and thanks to some tireless work on the part of a few members, DBA was born and AccessD was saved. And they?re still doing it today (Thank you tireless volunteers.} I can?t count the number of times over the last 20 years or so (could it be that long?) AccessD saved my bacon; that I sent in a question at 10:30 at night and woke up in the morning to find that some lister in Germany or Australia had answered my question. And those of us on the OT list have been communing for what? 20 years? Births. Deaths. Weddings. Divorces. Job changes. Happy time. Sad times. It?s a cyber family (most of us have never met each other in person). And we would hate to see that circling the drain. But I digress. Certainly the traffic on the list has diminished as the popularity of Access has waned. But every couple of months they still pull my chestnuts out of the fire. So write back. If we send out a request for money, tell us how much we can count on from you. I think we can get to $500. If we can?t?well I don?t want to think about that. So let us hear from you. If just 10 of you chip in $50 bucks, we?re there! Or 50 of you each putting in a sawbuck. That works too. Or anything in between. OK let?s get it started. I?m good for $50. So we only need $450 more (see how easy that was?) You? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Oct 22 23:47:57 2018 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:47:57 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Thank you! Message-ID: Dear List(s): On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA. In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years. I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us. But it is gratifying nonetheless. Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 http://www.bchacc.com http://www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 23 11:59:16 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Thank you! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1296262339.120448109.1540313956772.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Excellent. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-administrivia (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com)" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 9:47:57 PM Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - Thank you! Dear List(s): On behalf of those who administer the Database Advisors lists, I would like to express my appreciation and gratitude for the support and generosity of the members of DBA. In just one week we have had enough money contributed - in excess of $1200 - to fund DBA for three years. I can't say I was totally surprised by this, as the generosity of the list members in contributing their time and knowledge to help others is well known by all of us. But it is gratifying nonetheless. Once again, thanks to all who contributed money, and thanks again to all who contribute their time and knowledge, without which the lists would have no purpose. Best, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 760-683-5777 http://www.bchacc.com http://www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Oct 27 15:49:15 2018 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 20:49:15 +0000 Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - List posting size limits Message-ID: We encourage snipping of posts to that which matters for the post to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce post sizes. Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB per post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about it. I think that has happened once in 10 years. We maintain this limit because there are active members who have extremely poor speeds in their part of the world. Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the years in regards to how to do it in Outlook. Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts through - IF you contact them. Best Regards, John B From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 27 20:05:42 2018 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - List posting size limits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <833905793.147611215.1540688742500.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> I apologise right away...but it is so easy to prattle on. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-administrivia" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:49:15 PM Subject: [dba-SQLServer] Administrivia - List posting size limits We encourage snipping of posts to that which matters for the post to make sense in order to increase readability, reduce noise and reduce post sizes. Usually the size limit is hit because the email is sent in a format other than plain text. Rich formatted email (MS or HTML) is almost always too large for the limit. We increased the size limit of the lists to 20 KB per post some years ago. 20kb is a _lot_ of plain text. We would certainly allow a post that needed more than that to get through if contacted about it. I think that has happened once in 10 years. We maintain this limit because there are active members who have extremely poor speeds in their part of the world. Unfortunately the rich formatting gets stripped after the limit is determined rather than before or most posts would go right through. There are settings in almost all email systems to set the appropriate DBA list address to use always plain text. I have made numerous posts over the years in regards to how to do it in Outlook. Note: our volunteer moderators are very accommodating in allowing posts through - IF you contact them. Best Regards, John B _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com