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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have all
the material for MCDBA…except it’s 2 years old.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>Never bothered to take the time and take the tests, because
was too busy helping MCSE’s with their code and stored procedures </span></font></span><span
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mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:
Wingdings'>J</span></span></font></span><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In between
those sessions did take a 30-minute Brainbench test (3 of them) and got my
certificates for free (now they actually charge for SQL-related stuff, don’t
know about VB).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I guess I got
envious seeing those MCSE’s signatures, some even made with MS official stamp…don’t
know where they got those fancy ones…But as I mentioned earlier, I was and
still am helping those MCSE’s with their stuff..<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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href="http://web.usaa.com/profiles/profile.asp?EmplNum=52541"><span
style='mso-ascii-font-family:"Bernard MT Condensed";mso-hansi-font-family:"Bernard MT Condensed"'>Robert
Djabarov</span></a></span></font><font color=navy face="Bernard MT Condensed"><span
style='font-family:"Bernard MT Condensed";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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MS SQL Server DBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=blue face="Baskerville Old Face"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face";color:blue'>Certified
MS SQL Server Programmer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=blue face="Baskerville Old Face"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face";color:blue'>Certified
MS VB Programmer</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Allan Mitchell
[mailto:AMMitchell@cmpinformation.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 25, 2003
11:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
'dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I have always thought
that MCDBA and MCSE et al get you through a papersift that little bit
easier. If you are a "paper" one of these i.e used the
braindumps then you will be found out quite quickly.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I have not looked but is
it really a requirement that you take the courses.?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I doubt it</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I do not think they are
designed for people using big databases either. I have no databases over
300 GB (But I do have 500 of them).</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I think they are an
excellent learning aid and can never harm you. Do not get me started on
degrees. I think it so out of order and outdated that companies
want/demand degrees for some positions. The amount of people I see in I.T
with a non IT related degree is amazing.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>[Allan Mitchell] </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> -----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 25 February 2003 16:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Steve,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Some bureaucracies look very favorably on
degrees and certificates. Some look very favorably on your past
performance. Which type are you now at and which type are you
looking at for a better paying job?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Charles
Wortz</span></font></b><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>Software Development
Division</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>Texas Education Agency</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>1701 N. Congress Ave</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>Austin, TX 78701-1494</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>512-463-9493</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
(SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0) </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Steven W. Erbach
[mailto:serbach@new.rr.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday 2003 Feb 25 10:56<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
dba-sqlserver@databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [dba-SQLServer]MCDBA</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Allan,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I can appreciate the structured learning
bit. I was wondering because I had a conversation with a good friend who, in
the past, always kept up the certifications that he had. He seems to be
despairing of the cost and bother. Unless one is focused very clearly on one
skill these days, certification can become very expensive very quickly.
Some--Cisco, for example--require re-certification every two years. I just
wonder what that buys you once you get it. Continued advancement? Better-paying
jobs?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I looked up MCDBA certification classes
in my area and found some being offered by another old friend of mine in the
Chicago area. The certification tests apparently cannot be taken unless one
also takes the courses. I found that a bit of a put-off.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I was also curious that, on the Microsoft
site, the MCDBA is geared for those with big company experience and big servers
and big databases. Somehow I doubt that these required courses offer anything
in the way of simulation of huge databases or multiple platform connections...or
do they?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I've worked with PCs since 1982 and on
mainframes for a bit before that, back to 1975. It seems demeaning somehow that
I cannot take a certification test without going through an approved set of
courses for which I pay a large sum of money. I'm perfectly capable of learning
SQL Server--or anything else, for that matter--just fine on my own or in
connection with my client experiences. I guess I'm whining about having to take
those courses. If I do and if I get an MCDBA, what does it mean?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Regards,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Steve Erbach<br>
Scientific Marketing<br>
Neenah, WI</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>"Nothing so needs reforming as other
people's habits." - Mark Twain</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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