From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 1 03:45:20 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:45:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495B5@ALCUXB> I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Aug 1 04:04:42 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:04:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495B5@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <002601c3580b$f1dcf4a0$9111758f@aine> RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard driveAFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 1 04:37:28 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:37:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Message-ID: Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 1 04:37:44 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:37:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495B9@ALCUXB> McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [ mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov ] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. 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URL: From jbartow at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 1 09:25:59 2003 From: jbartow at fastbytes.com (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:25:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495B9@ALCUXB> Message-ID: BerichtAs does Norton Utilitie's "Wipe Info" program. I haven't been able to recover the data, but then I'm not a specialist at it either :o) Even if Symantec or McAfee garaunteed that it would be unrecoverable I would question it because they both have to deal with the US govt and I don't know their laws pertaining to this. If they try to control it the wway they have been attempting to control encryption then I think Martin's friend is correct throwing it in a hot fire is the only "for sure" method". I go through this discussion every now and again with my accounting clients. They ask me about "permanently" removing client info from the hard drive of old PCs they are going to discard, I physically remove the hard drive and damage it and then give it back to them. It builds their confidence in my thoroughness (and gives them second thoughts about buying a cheap solution in a box). I don't personally believe that there is no way to destroy the magnetic signatures of files on a hard drive - I just don't know how to do it or how to prove it can be done. :o) I guess the bottom line is that if a particular company wants dirt on someone the employ they can find with less expensive methods than paying a data recovery specialist - they're not cheap! JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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I use to know hardware controllers (SPEED!) that encrypted before writing to disk. You needed to put an electronic diskette in to the drive to start from your hd. I knew a bank that did that for all important pcs... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:jbartow at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive As does Norton Utilitie's "Wipe Info" program. I haven't been able to recover the data, but then I'm not a specialist at it either :o) Even if Symantec or McAfee garaunteed that it would be unrecoverable I would question it because they both have to deal with the US govt and I don't know their laws pertaining to this. If they try to control it the wway they have been attempting to control encryption then I think Martin's friend is correct throwing it in a hot fire is the only "for sure" method". I go through this discussion every now and again with my accounting clients. They ask me about "permanently" removing client info from the hard drive of old PCs they are going to discard, I physically remove the hard drive and damage it and then give it back to them. It builds their confidence in my thoroughness (and gives them second thoughts about buying a cheap solution in a box). I don't personally believe that there is no way to destroy the magnetic signatures of files on a hard drive - I just don't know how to do it or how to prove it can be done. :o) I guess the bottom line is that if a particular company wants dirt on someone the employ they can find with less expensive methods than paying a data recovery specialist - they're not cheap! JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _____ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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I indeed do believe to have read something that when you overwrite a cluster you gonna have a fresh magnetismem and an old magnestismen (you know hard disks are based on magetisme). With superiour equipment they are able to ignore the fresh magnetisme and go 1 or maybe more levels lower to old magnetismens.... I beleive recuperating a crashed disk or accidently formatted disk would cost you around ? 250 (in Belgium). Depends on several factors ofcourse. Encypting the disk would be better... I use to know hardware controllers (SPEED!) that encrypted before writing to disk. You needed to put an electronic diskette in to the drive to start from your hd. I knew a bank that did that for all important pcs... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:jbartow at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive As does Norton Utilitie's "Wipe Info" program. I haven't been able to recover the data, but then I'm not a specialist at it either :o) Even if Symantec or McAfee garaunteed that it would be unrecoverable I would question it because they both have to deal with the US govt and I don't know their laws pertaining to this. If they try to control it the wway they have been attempting to control encryption then I think Martin's friend is correct throwing it in a hot fire is the only "for sure" method". I go through this discussion every now and again with my accounting clients. They ask me about "permanently" removing client info from the hard drive of old PCs they are going to discard, I physically remove the hard drive and damage it and then give it back to them. It builds their confidence in my thoroughness (and gives them second thoughts about buying a cheap solution in a box). I don't personally believe that there is no way to destroy the magnetic signatures of files on a hard drive - I just don't know how to do it or how to prove it can be done. :o) I guess the bottom line is that if a particular company wants dirt on someone the employ they can find with less expensive methods than paying a data recovery specialist - they're not cheap! JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [ mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov ] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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There is a list and I have it somewhere, but it is not of that importance. Clustersize can improve speed and reduce "space loss" if you haver a lot same size files, if you would have a lot of small files (HTML) it is better to set a small cluster size. Large files, large clustersize. For example when using a disk for archiving of faxes..(as I do) most of the file are less than 100K. When mixed just choose default. Setting an appropriate cluster will leave you more dataspace due to the less loss you have per cluster. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive That is a very good question to ask. First of all, there are two things to be aware of when data is stored on a disk. The first is the actual physical data, which is stored in the major portion of the drive, the second is the 'header' or table of contents, where the information about the file is stored. This header stores all sorts of information. Information you may use would be the file size, the name, the path it's in, the various properties such as read only, archive, etc. However, the header also stores the 'sectors' where the file is stored on the disk. If you completely wipe out that table of contents, then the chances of restoring the data is going to be based upon how fragmented the drive is. If a data file is completely scattered across the drive, it would be nearly impossible to determine what goes with what, and in what order. However, those 'segments' are semi large. Fat16 is 8k, Fat32 is 4k, not sure what NTFS is, but I think it's 4k also. What that means, is if you write a tiny little file, say a few words, it is going to get it's own segment of 4k (or 8k for Fat16). If you write a 5k file, it is going to get 2 segments. So a 10 meg file is going to get a LOT of segments, thus, if those segments are scattered, you can see the issue of trying to recover without the 'TOC' on the disk. Of course, your smaller files will recover easily, since you can't fragment a file smaller then the segment size. Next, when you delete a file, from your computer, it doesn't physically write over the data. It simply flags the TOC entry as being deleted. In FAT systems, it just removes the first character in the file name (making it null), which prevents the file from showing up. There are several utilities out there that can 'undelete' a FAT file, by putting the character back into place. This of course is dependant upon the individual segments that the file used. They all need to have been left alone, or you risk retrieving a corrupted file, if some of the segments have been 'reused'. In NTFS systems, there are also recover utilities. I personally have one called Restore 2000 Pro. Great utility. It doesn't do the 'first character' thing, it just shows you want used to be on the drive(full names intact). If it can recover it, it does. Defragging a drive, after you delete data, isn't really going to do anything, because unless you had the deleted data at the start of the drive, then it may not get overwritten as the existing stuff is sorted and pushed to the front. You can write a little routine to fill your drive with 3 or 4k files, so that a defrag little writes over every segment.....that may work. However, in theory, even physically writing over the data, you cannot be absolutely sure that it's gone. Since disks read/write with a magnetic process, there are residual layers of magnetism, and with the right equipment (which would have to be VERY VERY sensitive, and probably costs mucho denaro), you could theoretically retrieve anything that was ever written to the disk. If you are that worried about the data, the only thing you can do is physically destroy the disks within the hard drive. Now, if you are just trying to prevent the average techie from retrieving the data (special hardware aside), then I would recommend the fill the drive with junk method. Formatting only removes the TOC of the disk. It does not write over every segment. Writing over every segment is called a low level format, and unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing with that process, I recommend you stay away from it....because the wrong settings can cause the drive to be unusable. Hopefully that answers some of your question. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" To: "dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive > Everyone, > > I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. > > If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I > would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. > > Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. > > > Ken Stoker > Technology Commercialization > Information Systems Administrator > PH: (509) 375-3758 > FAX: (509) 375-6731 > E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 1 10:38:44 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:38:44 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Message-ID: well it depends on how bad your disk is... (how many time it takes) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive ?250??? I got quoted ?2500 minimum to recover a 4gb drive... that's nearly ?3750!!! I'm obviously looking in the wrong places :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 16:03 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive If pieces of the platters from a disk are intact data can be recuperated from that to.... I indeed do believe to have read something that when you overwrite a cluster you gonna have a fresh magnetismem and an old magnestismen (you know hard disks are based on magetisme). With superiour equipment they are able to ignore the fresh magnetisme and go 1 or maybe more levels lower to old magnetismens.... I beleive recuperating a crashed disk or accidently formatted disk would cost you around ? 250 (in Belgium). Depends on several factors ofcourse. Encypting the disk would be better... I use to know hardware controllers (SPEED!) that encrypted before writing to disk. You needed to put an electronic diskette in to the drive to start from your hd. I knew a bank that did that for all important pcs... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:jbartow at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive As does Norton Utilitie's "Wipe Info" program. I haven't been able to recover the data, but then I'm not a specialist at it either :o) Even if Symantec or McAfee garaunteed that it would be unrecoverable I would question it because they both have to deal with the US govt and I don't know their laws pertaining to this. If they try to control it the wway they have been attempting to control encryption then I think Martin's friend is correct throwing it in a hot fire is the only "for sure" method". I go through this discussion every now and again with my accounting clients. They ask me about "permanently" removing client info from the hard drive of old PCs they are going to discard, I physically remove the hard drive and damage it and then give it back to them. It builds their confidence in my thoroughness (and gives them second thoughts about buying a cheap solution in a box). I don't personally believe that there is no way to destroy the magnetic signatures of files on a hard drive - I just don't know how to do it or how to prove it can be done. :o) I guess the bottom line is that if a particular company wants dirt on someone the employ they can find with less expensive methods than paying a data recovery specialist - they're not cheap! JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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URL: From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 1 13:34:11 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:34:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495C7@ALCUXB> Message-ID: BerichtYes, I would suppose that it would cost even more if the disks had huge dents in them! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive ?250??? I got quoted ?2500 minimum to recover a 4gb drive... that's nearly ?3750!!! I'm obviously looking in the wrong places :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 16:03 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive If pieces of the platters from a disk are intact data can be recuperated from that to.... I indeed do believe to have read something that when you overwrite a cluster you gonna have a fresh magnetismem and an old magnestismen (you know hard disks are based on magetisme). With superiour equipment they are able to ignore the fresh magnetisme and go 1 or maybe more levels lower to old magnetismens.... I beleive recuperating a crashed disk or accidently formatted disk would cost you around ? 250 (in Belgium). Depends on several factors ofcourse. Encypting the disk would be better... I use to know hardware controllers (SPEED!) that encrypted before writing to disk. You needed to put an electronic diskette in to the drive to start from your hd. I knew a bank that did that for all important pcs... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:jbartow at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive As does Norton Utilitie's "Wipe Info" program. I haven't been able to recover the data, but then I'm not a specialist at it either :o) Even if Symantec or McAfee garaunteed that it would be unrecoverable I would question it because they both have to deal with the US govt and I don't know their laws pertaining to this. If they try to control it the wway they have been attempting to control encryption then I think Martin's friend is correct throwing it in a hot fire is the only "for sure" method". I go through this discussion every now and again with my accounting clients. They ask me about "permanently" removing client info from the hard drive of old PCs they are going to discard, I physically remove the hard drive and damage it and then give it back to them. It builds their confidence in my thoroughness (and gives them second thoughts about buying a cheap solution in a box). I don't personally believe that there is no way to destroy the magnetic signatures of files on a hard drive - I just don't know how to do it or how to prove it can be done. :o) I guess the bottom line is that if a particular company wants dirt on someone the employ they can find with less expensive methods than paying a data recovery specialist - they're not cheap! JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive McAfee Shredder does that - passes over the disk 7 times writing junk and erasing it on each pass, making it unrecoverable (they claim). Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 01 August 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Formattting a drive will only remove the FAT (File Allocation Tabe), that the index of where the files are positoned on the drive. Formattig does alos put some positionmakers on the disk (that why you loose useable data on the disk) to find it way on the disk. It like a citymap (simply stated) You have an index saying that stree x is positioned in the square B7. Formatting removes the index (creates an empty one) and puts a new grid (the quares A7) in pace. But the data of the old streets are still there. So it is just a question to put to put the pieces togheter and build a new index (simply stated). Custers that are overwritten by the format or by new data will corruot the old file but the rest of the file is still readable. There are companies that can rebuild your disk, within 30 minutes, depending on the size and fragmentaion. Only way to clrear a disk is to write random data on each cluster thus distroying the old data. there does exesits software to do that. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 11:05 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive AFAIK unless you overwrite the data several time using specific software then its possible to get most things back. One of our guys says the only way to be totally sure is to melt down the HDD. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive I formatted a hard disk with windows 95 on it, then plugged it into a pc running 98. I ran scandisk and all the files came back, so I guess format ain't everything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov] Sent: 31 July 2003 20:50 To: dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive Everyone, I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive. We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use. He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run. I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time. Is this true? The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score. If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk? I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work. Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one. Thanks for your help in settling the discussion. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2003 17:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Lockett Sent: August 4, 2003 7:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Andy I have a client who uses a locally (South African) developed package which is in direct competition to Goldmine. The developer obviously claims that his product is better than Goldmine. The product is called Protrack and uses SQL Server to store all information and interfaces directly to Microsoft Outlook. I think the product is developed in VB, but could be wrong on that one. If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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URL: From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 4 10:12:07 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:12:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management In-Reply-To: <00c701c35a7b$37029820$0101a8c0@office> Message-ID: <00ac01c35a9a$c55373f0$8e01a8c0@Rock> I readily admit that I know next to nothing about LANs; I usually leave all that to the network guys and then come in and work my magic :-) But on the home front there are no network guys, I'm it, and then my ignorance is a problem! I have 4 boxes and a Compaq Proliant dual-CPU server. 2 of the boxes boot wxp. One box boots w2k. One box boots either wxp or mandrake 9.1 depending upon my mood. Plus I have a 5-port mini switch Every single box save the server sees different things. I have no idea how to control what is visible to whom. I've tried creating shares and adding network places and yada^3 with decidedly mixed results. What I want to achieve: As admin I can see everything everywhere. As user A on box A, you can see only one dir on B and all the shared stuff on Server. As user C on box C, you see what A sees only relative to your box. As user D on any box, you can see some dirs on A and B and Server. Eventually I want the world to see one specific directory in IIS. I want to be able to hit my instance of SQL2K remotely, using a known port + uid + pswd. I can hit two clients' databases in this way but the network guys set it up so I don't know the details. I want to open port #### and forward incoming to server and let sql security take care of it after that, so I can hit it from anywhere should I need to -- and all this freedom at the expense of random probers. Ideally, within my LAN I'd like to make the box you log onto irrelevant, so that anywhere you log on you can see your instance of Outlook, your MyFavorites, MyDocuments and MyFiles plus selected server locations (depending upon the rights Admin assigns you). I know it can be done because I've worked at several institutions where it has been done, but I never asked the network guys exactly what steps are required to create this situation. That sounds like a whole bookful of information, but I'm hoping one of you brilliant folks will give me a simple step-by-step recipe. TIA :-) Arthur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Mon Aug 4 11:03:07 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:03:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306D707C8@corp-es00> My brother is a certified ACT consultant. As such he should be able to tell you if ACT can be configured to handle your needs. He can be reached at 925 963-7204, Mobile computing, John Hale. HTH Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Yes please Gary, and thanks for responding. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Gary Lockett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Date: 04/08/03 11:23 Andy I have a client who uses a locally (South African) developed package which is in direct competition to Goldmine. The developer obviously claims that his product is better than Goldmine. The product is called Protrack and uses SQL Server to store all information and interfaces directly to Microsoft Outlook. I think the product is developed in VB, but could be wrong on that one. If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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URL: From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 4 12:19:29 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:19:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306D707C8@corp-es00> Message-ID: <000001c35aac$901a66f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Hi Jim. What's ACT? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: 04 August 2003 17:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management My brother is a certified ACT consultant. As such he should be able to tell you if ACT can be configured to handle your needs. He can be reached at 925 963-7204, Mobile computing, John Hale. HTH Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Yes please Gary, and thanks for responding. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Gary Lockett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Date: 04/08/03 11:23 Andy I have a client who uses a locally (South African) developed package which is in direct competition to Goldmine. The developer obviously claims that his product is better than Goldmine. The product is called Protrack and uses SQL Server to store all information and interfaces directly to Microsoft Outlook. I think the product is developed in VB, but could be wrong on that one. If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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The contact person and developer is a guy by the name of Kobus du Plessis. His email address is kobus.duplessis at icon.co.za. Let me know if you do not hear from him. I speak to him on a weekly basis. Regards Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Yes please Gary, and thanks for responding. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Gary Lockett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Date: 04/08/03 11:23 Andy I have a client who uses a locally (South African) developed package which is in direct competition to Goldmine. The developer obviously claims that his product is better than Goldmine. The product is called Protrack and uses SQL Server to store all information and interfaces directly to Microsoft Outlook. I think the product is developed in VB, but could be wrong on that one. If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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URL: From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Aug 4 12:49:30 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:49:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <000001c35916$9d9b2950$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <3F2E9CAA.8000307@shaw.ca> Well there is this one Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 with Business Contact Manager if you wan't to take a walk on the wild side. http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/editions/contactmanager/overview.asp Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? > Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with > around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any > one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? > > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 4 13:00:19 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:00:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management In-Reply-To: <3F2E9CAA.8000307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000c01c35ab2$44fc4d90$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> That was interesting Marty until I saw the phrase "single user desktop environment". that looks a killer as client has 10 workstations. But I'll look further. Thanks for the response. Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > MartyConnelly > Sent: 04 August 2003 18:50 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management > > > Well there is this one Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 with Business > Contact Manager > if you wan't to take a walk on the wild side. > http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/editions/contactmanager/overview .asp Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? > Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with > around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any > one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? > > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 4 13:18:26 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:18:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <000001c35aac$901a66f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <00fb01c35ab4$d256e8b0$3c06d018@W2k> Andy, Check this link for information on ACT! (the exclamation mark is part of the name, like Hillary!): http://www.act.com/products/index.cfm Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Aug 4 13:39:01 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:39:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <000001c35916$9d9b2950$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <005001c35ab7$acab7a60$1500a8c0@marlow.com> MessageWe sort of use goldmine. I have built an in house one to handle our Web based 'Contact Us' messages...and that will probably turn into a full blown Contact Management system. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Aug 4 13:40:02 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:40:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4495CB@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <006301c35ab7$d13f7de0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> MessageYa, goldmine is 'powerful', the problem is, every business is a little different, thus everyone wants something tailored specifically to their needs. Goldmine can handle a lot of situations, but to do so, it almost becomes overly complex. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Andy We use Goldmine here... I say use... it's on, but no-one seems to have much interest in it. Our MD was quite vociferous in getting the one package standardised accross the group, but the sales & marketing people have refused to use it, so no-one else bothers now. It's not a bad system, it seems quite powerful, but then we don't have 70,000 customers. We've found that a shared address book in exchange/outlook serves our purpose. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2003 17:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Aug 4 13:42:52 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:42:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management References: <00ac01c35a9a$c55373f0$8e01a8c0@Rock> Message-ID: <008c01c35ab8$360f23b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> MessageSounds like you need to setup a domain. That server you spoke of, is it running a Server OS, or have you just 'deemed' it a server? Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management I readily admit that I know next to nothing about LANs; I usually leave all that to the network guys and then come in and work my magic :-) But on the home front there are no network guys, I'm it, and then my ignorance is a problem! I have 4 boxes and a Compaq Proliant dual-CPU server. 2 of the boxes boot wxp. One box boots w2k. One box boots either wxp or mandrake 9.1 depending upon my mood. Plus I have a 5-port mini switch Every single box save the server sees different things. I have no idea how to control what is visible to whom. I've tried creating shares and adding network places and yada^3 with decidedly mixed results. What I want to achieve: As admin I can see everything everywhere. As user A on box A, you can see only one dir on B and all the shared stuff on Server. As user C on box C, you see what A sees only relative to your box. As user D on any box, you can see some dirs on A and B and Server. Eventually I want the world to see one specific directory in IIS. I want to be able to hit my instance of SQL2K remotely, using a known port + uid + pswd. I can hit two clients' databases in this way but the network guys set it up so I don't know the details. I want to open port #### and forward incoming to server and let sql security take care of it after that, so I can hit it from anywhere should I need to -- and all this freedom at the expense of random probers. Ideally, within my LAN I'd like to make the box you log onto irrelevant, so that anywhere you log on you can see your instance of Outlook, your MyFavorites, MyDocuments and MyFiles plus selected server locations (depending upon the rights Admin assigns you). I know it can be done because I've worked at several institutions where it has been done, but I never asked the network guys exactly what steps are required to create this situation. That sounds like a whole bookful of information, but I'm hoping one of you brilliant folks will give me a simple step-by-step recipe. TIA :-) Arthur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Mon Aug 4 13:42:42 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:42:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306D70841@corp-es00> You mentioned that your customer was having trouble using ACT!. I believe some very large companies use it successfully so I suspect that a review of his ACT installation may reveal some fixable bottlenecks. You might be able to suggest fixes that would make you a hero .In any case my brother can give you the straight scoop on how well ACT handles large installations. Good Luck! Jim Hale BTW I forgot to include my brother's email john at johnhale.net and web site http://www.johnhale.net/ Here is the ACT! product site http://www.act.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:19 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi Jim. What's ACT? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: 04 August 2003 17:03 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management My brother is a certified ACT consultant. As such he should be able to tell you if ACT can be configured to handle your needs. He can be reached at 925 963-7204, Mobile computing, John Hale. HTH Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Yes please Gary, and thanks for responding. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Gary Lockett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Date: 04/08/03 11:23 Andy I have a client who uses a locally (South African) developed package which is in direct competition to Goldmine. The developer obviously claims that his product is better than Goldmine. The product is called Protrack and uses SQL Server to store all information and interfaces directly to Microsoft Outlook. I think the product is developed in VB, but could be wrong on that one. If you are interested, I could put you in touch with the developer. Regards Gary Lockett ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management Hi all Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk @lantic I.S. 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URL: From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 13:58:33 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:58:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306D70841@corp-es00> References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306D70841@corp-es00> Message-ID: <143360559.20030804205833@cactus.dk> Hi Andy and Jim Out of curiosity, it could be interesting to get a follow up sometime on this case. /gustav PS: I like the Panic Button of brother John. > Date: 2003-08-04 20:42 > finds it very slow. Looking to change> > You mentioned that your customer was having trouble using ACT!. I believe > some very large companies use it successfully so I suspect that a review of > his ACT installation may reveal some fixable bottlenecks. You might be able > to suggest fixes that would make you a hero .In any case my brother can > give you the straight scoop on how well ACT handles large installations. > Good Luck! > Jim Hale > BTW I forgot to include my brother's email john at johnhale.net > and web site http://www.johnhale.net/ > > Here is the ACT! product site http://www.act.com/ From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 14:11:06 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:11:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C180103C5E601@EXCHMAIL> Message-ID: <00d801c35abc$2866c0c0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> If you will need something tailored it is much more efficient to roll your own or look elsewhere besides Goldmine. Goldmine is a horrible product. We use it here for our call center and it "sucks" -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Monday, August 04, 2003 11:40 AM [GMT-8], Drew Wutka wrote: : Ya, goldmine is 'powerful', the problem is, every business is a little : different, thus everyone wants something tailored specifically to : their needs. Goldmine can handle a lot of situations, but to do so, : it almost becomes overly complex. : : Drew : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Jon Tydda : To: 'Discussion of Hardware and : Software issues' : Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 AM : Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management : : Andy : : We use Goldmine here... I say use... it's on, but no-one seems to have : much interest in it. Our MD was quite vociferous in getting the one : package standardised accross the group, but the sales & marketing : people have refused to use it, so no-one else bothers now. It's not a : bad system, it seems quite powerful, but then we don't have 70,000 : customers. We've found that a shared address book in exchange/outlook : serves our purpose. : : : Jon : -----Original Message----- : From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] : Sent: 02 August 2003 17:54 : To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' : Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management : : : Hi all : Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? : Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with : around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any : one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? : : Andy Lacey : http://www.minstersystems.co.uk : : : : The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally : : privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are : subject : : to the legal notice available on request from : : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk : : ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. : : Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 : 1BZ. : : Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 : : : : _____ : : : : : _______________________________________________ : dba-Tech mailing list : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Aug 4 15:11:34 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:11:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C180103C5E601@EXCHMAIL> <00d801c35abc$2866c0c0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Message-ID: <02a201c35ac4$9a3e7460$1500a8c0@marlow.com> That's what I keep telling the sales folks. They still want to buy something off the shelve though....go figure... Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management > If you will need something tailored it is much more efficient to roll your > own or look elsewhere besides Goldmine. Goldmine is a horrible product. We > use it here for our call center and it "sucks" > > -Francisco > http://rcm.netfirms.com > > On Monday, August 04, 2003 11:40 AM [GMT-8], > Drew Wutka wrote: > > : Ya, goldmine is 'powerful', the problem is, every business is a little > : different, thus everyone wants something tailored specifically to > : their needs. Goldmine can handle a lot of situations, but to do so, > : it almost becomes overly complex. > : > : Drew > : > : ----- Original Message ----- > : From: Jon Tydda > : To: 'Discussion of Hardware and > : Software issues' > : Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 AM > : Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management > : > : Andy > : > : We use Goldmine here... I say use... it's on, but no-one seems to have > : much interest in it. Our MD was quite vociferous in getting the one > : package standardised accross the group, but the sales & marketing > : people have refused to use it, so no-one else bothers now. It's not a > : bad system, it seems quite powerful, but then we don't have 70,000 > : customers. We've found that a shared address book in exchange/outlook > : serves our purpose. > : > : > : Jon > : -----Original Message----- > : From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > : Sent: 02 August 2003 17:54 > : To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > : Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management > : > : > : Hi all > : Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management package? > : Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ACT! but, with > : around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking to change. Any > : one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? > : > : Andy Lacey > : http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > : > : > : > : The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > : > : privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > : subject > : > : to the legal notice available on request from : > : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > : > : ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > : > : Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 > : 1BZ. > : > : Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > : > : > : > : _____ > : > : > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : dba-Tech mailing list > : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 15:52:15 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:52:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C180103C5E601@EXCHMAIL><00d801c35abc$2866c0c0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> <02a201c35ac4$9a3e7460$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c35aca$49c2c260$b615010a@FHTAPIA> In our company's application, they decided to also track customer complaints, well the Goldmine product couldn't keep good track of these notes since it would overwrite them and issuing out a call note to a user was also more problematic than it was worth, for starters once it left a queue it would never return or even worst, it could go into the black hole of lost notes. so I tailor crafted a sql / access solution in which I pick up all the complaints that synch up to our backup server at our office and use it's data to produce tracking for the rest of the company (ie, sales, service, manufacturing, engineering, etc..) this has so far proven to be much more efficient. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Monday, August 04, 2003 1:11 PM [GMT-8], Drew Wutka wrote: : That's what I keep telling the sales folks. They still want to buy : something off the shelve though....go figure... : : Drew : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Francisco H Tapia" : To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" : : Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:11 PM : Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Contact Management : : :: If you will need something tailored it is much more efficient to :: roll your own or look elsewhere besides Goldmine. Goldmine is a :: horrible product. We use it here for our call center and it "sucks" :: :: -Francisco :: http://rcm.netfirms.com :: :: On Monday, August 04, 2003 11:40 AM [GMT-8], :: Drew Wutka wrote: :: ::: Ya, goldmine is 'powerful', the problem is, every business is a ::: little different, thus everyone wants something tailored ::: specifically to ::: their needs. Goldmine can handle a lot of situations, but to do so, ::: it almost becomes overly complex. ::: ::: Drew ::: ::: ----- Original Message ----- ::: From: Jon Tydda ::: To: 'Discussion of Hardware and ::: Software issues' ::: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:36 AM ::: Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Contact Management ::: ::: Andy ::: ::: We use Goldmine here... I say use... it's on, but no-one seems to ::: have much interest in it. Our MD was quite vociferous in getting ::: the one package standardised accross the group, but the sales & ::: marketing people have refused to use it, so no-one else bothers ::: now. It's not a bad system, it seems quite powerful, but then we ::: don't have 70,000 customers. We've found that a shared address book ::: in exchange/outlook serves our purpose. ::: ::: ::: Jon ::: -----Original Message----- ::: From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] ::: Sent: 02 August 2003 17:54 ::: To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' ::: Subject: [dba-Tech] Contact Management ::: ::: ::: Hi all ::: Does anyone use, or have experience of, a contact management ::: package? Any recommendations? I've a (potential) client who uses ::: ACT! but, with around 70,000 customers, finds it very slow. Looking ::: to change. Any ::: one know Goldmine or MS's CRM? Or know another good one? ::: ::: Andy Lacey ::: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ::: ::: ::: ::: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be ::: legally ::: ::: privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are ::: subject ::: ::: to the legal notice available on request from : ::: webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ::: ::: ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK ::: Limited. ::: ::: Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 ::: 1BZ. ::: ::: Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 ::: ::: ::: ::: _____ ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: _______________________________________________ ::: dba-Tech mailing list ::: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com ::: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech ::: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-Tech mailing list :: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: : : : _______________________________________________ : dba-Tech mailing list : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 4 18:03:18 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:03:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management In-Reply-To: <00ac01c35a9a$c55373f0$8e01a8c0@Rock> References: <00c701c35a7b$37029820$0101a8c0@office> Message-ID: <3F2F72D6.26616.2B983A@localhost> On 4 Aug 2003 at 11:12, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I readily admit that I know next to nothing about LANs; I usually leave all > that to the network guys and then come in and work my magic :-) But on the > home front there are no network guys, I'm it, and then my ignorance is a > problem! > > I have 4 boxes and a Compaq Proliant dual-CPU server. Is it configured as a domain server or you in workgroup mode? >2 of the boxes boot > wxp. One box boots w2k. One box boots either wxp or mandrake 9.1 depending > upon my mood. Plus I have a 5-port mini switch > First problem. XP can cause all sorts of strange effects in mixed networks. > Every single box save the server sees different things. I have no idea how > to control what is visible to whom. I've tried creating shares and adding > network places and yada^3 with decidedly mixed results. > How are the network protocols set up? Are they all using TCP/IP with compatible IP addresses and masks? If in workgroup mode, are all PCs in the same workgroup? Are you using any other network protocol on any of the other machines (like NetBEUI)? > What I want to achieve: > > As admin I can see everything everywhere. You need to use admin shares. Look at "Special shared folders" in the main Windows help. > As user A on box A, you can see only one dir on B and all the shared stuff > on Server. > As user C on box C, you see what A sees only relative to your box. > As user D on any box, you can see some dirs on A and B and Server. > Eventually I want the world to see one specific directory in IIS. > I want to be able to hit my instance of SQL2K remotely, using a known port + > uid + pswd. I can hit two clients' databases in this way but the network > guys set it up so I don't know the details. I want to open port #### and > forward incoming to server and let sql security take care of it after that, > so I can hit it from anywhere should I need to -- and all this freedom at > the expense of random probers. > > Ideally, within my LAN I'd like to make the box you log onto irrelevant, so > that anywhere you log on you can see your instance of Outlook, your > MyFavorites, MyDocuments and MyFiles plus selected server locations > (depending upon the rights Admin assigns you). > You can only do these sorts of things if you are using your server as a domain controller, set up share permissions based on domain logins and use "roaming profiles" (look them up in the main Windows Help) You will stilll have some problems with applications if they rely on the Registry for user settings. For Outlook, are they stand alone installations? How do you send/ receive mail. You would probably need Exchange Server if you want to access your email from anywhere on the network. - Alternatively switch to a better email solution such as Mercury + Pegasus Mail :-) > I know it can be done because I've worked at several institutions where it > has been done, but I never asked the network guys exactly what steps are > required to create this situation. > > That sounds like a whole bookful of information, but I'm hoping one of you > brilliant folks will give me a simple step-by-step recipe. > Answer the above , and it will be easier to come up with suitable directions. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 4 18:10:46 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:10:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management In-Reply-To: <008c01c35ab8$360f23b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <00f801c35add$a33fb740$8e01a8c0@Rock> It's running Windows 2000 Advanced Server. It has 2 CPUs and a bunch of RAM and RAID 5 drives. There are substantially faster boxes out there but it is a server. It's connected to a switch which is also connected to two boxes; the switch is connected to my LinkSys router which is connected to the cable modem and two other boxes. I managed to get a few more visible directories today, but I don't like the way that I'm going about it. There is sure to be a much smarter way to configure everything the way I want! I'm so ignorant of this stuff that I don't even know the difference between a domain and a workgroup. I set up a workgroup. I thought to have a domain you needed a web address. I only have a slippery IP; most of the time it stays the same but every once in a while it changes. So what should I change? Step by step, please. I'm a virgin :-) Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: August 4, 2003 2:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP net management Sounds like you need to setup a domain. That server you spoke of, is it running a Server OS, or have you just 'deemed' it a server? Drew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many of them come with wireless built in. SD or CF memory cards give a lot of options as add-ins so you might want to make sure the model you get accepts the type of memory card you need it to. I have the iPaq 1910 (which is the least expensive HP model had last year). It does me fine but it doesn't have wireless and it doesn't accept CF cards which are the less expensive type (and also the type which has the most accessories.). I believe PocketPC 2003 has wireless built into the OS (2002 did not). If it needs to be "out in the field" you might want to check Toshiba's models (or some of the other ruggedized model). There are some mags out devoted to handhelds but I can't remember the names right now. Good Luck John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:22 AM To: dba-Tech; dba-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] PocketPC question Anyone know of the 'best' place to look for a PocketPC 2003 device or have any suggestions or favorites? I would prefer to find something with wireless (802.11b). Jeff Barrows Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI Phone: (262) 634-0653 Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com www.outbaktech.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 5 12:42:16 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:42:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Failure Message-ID: <001601c35b78$eab01fc0$0f0b6351@martin1> Had some problems installing XP Pro on a PC at home. Everytime I try and install it misses files. Says cant install file name xxx.sys Tried to then install Win 2000 Advanced Server to see what would happen. This time I used a brand new HDD. Started the format and the format failed. Anyone any ideas? Controller bust etc? Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Aug 5 13:25:14 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:25:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Failure References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C180103C5E604@EXCHMAIL> Message-ID: <000f01c35b7e$ea431e60$b615010a@FHTAPIA> It sounds like a hardware related issue, have you tried a diffrent IDE cable? sometimes those can have a nick or crack and cause the whole system to go belly up. btw, what are you specs for the pc? -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:42 AM [GMT-8], Martin Reid wrote: : Had some problems installing XP Pro on a PC at home. Everytime I try : and install it misses files. Says cant install file name xxx.sys : : Tried to then install Win 2000 Advanced Server to see what would : happen. This time I used a brand new HDD. Started the format and the : format failed. : : Anyone any ideas? Controller bust etc? : : Martin From todd_5036 at msn.com Tue Aug 5 17:56:15 2003 From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Failure References: <001601c35b78$eab01fc0$0f0b6351@martin1> Message-ID: Have you ever had Win2K or XP on this machine before? If not, is it possible that it is not on the Windows 2000 compatibility list? Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Reid To: dba-Tech Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk Failure Had some problems installing XP Pro on a PC at home. Everytime I try and install it misses files. Says cant install file name xxx.sys Tried to then install Win 2000 Advanced Server to see what would happen. 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URL: From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 6 08:51:48 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:51:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PocketPC question In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050922C@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> Message-ID: Jeff: Thought you might be interested in these articles: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1210370,00.asp http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1208618,00.asp HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:22 AM To: dba-Tech; dba-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] PocketPC question Anyone know of the 'best' place to look for a PocketPC 2003 device or have any suggestions or favorites? I would prefer to find something with wireless (802.11b). 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 6 09:37:49 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:37:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Test Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44963F@ALCUXB> Are you sure that's a virus and not a "feature"? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 06 August 2003 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Test This is a test reply. Sorry. I've been attacked by a very precise and vicious virus. (That's the only explanation I can come up with. Two of my five boxes exhibiting exactly the same behaviour -- nothing in Office XP loads successfully -- and it all happened in one night.) A. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 6 10:10:48 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:10:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP net management References: <00f801c35add$a33fb740$8e01a8c0@Rock> Message-ID: <004901c35c2c$eb0a40e0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> MessageOkay, you need to setup Active Directory. Honestly, the best method would be to use the Windows' help file. It will tell you what you need to do. Once you have Active Directory (or AD) setup, you can create Domain users and groups. You can also setup login scripts (along with a ton of other things) for each user/group, so that when a user logs onto your network, no matter what machine they are on, they get their exact settings. You'll also want to setup roaming profiles, but I personally have never done that. As far as setting up a domain, it has nothing to do with your internet connection, just an FYI. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP net management It's running Windows 2000 Advanced Server. It has 2 CPUs and a bunch of RAM and RAID 5 drives. There are substantially faster boxes out there but it is a server. It's connected to a switch which is also connected to two boxes; the switch is connected to my LinkSys router which is connected to the cable modem and two other boxes. I managed to get a few more visible directories today, but I don't like the way that I'm going about it. There is sure to be a much smarter way to configure everything the way I want! I'm so ignorant of this stuff that I don't even know the difference between a domain and a workgroup. I set up a workgroup. I thought to have a domain you needed a web address. I only have a slippery IP; most of the time it stays the same but every once in a while it changes. So what should I change? Step by step, please. I'm a virgin :-) Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: August 4, 2003 2:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP net management Sounds like you need to setup a domain. That server you spoke of, is it running a Server OS, or have you just 'deemed' it a server? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 7 11:34:15 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: <003c01c35cf1$b33e8ac0$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com> <00da01c35cf4$a10daef0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001c01c35d01$be6338f0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Pop-Up Stopper stops ALL popups, that are encoded in the same manner (ie, launch a window from within a link or site) but it doesnt stop popups generated from a windows API environment from programs such as ad-supported software. I used to use Pop-Up Stopper before I found PopUp Manager (www.endpopups.com). One thing that became increasingly annoying w/ Pop-Up Stopper and other similar software is that you (the user) had to make allowances to make popup windows available. The even more frustrating part was that if you did temorarily disable the popups then surfed to another site you end up seeing all the popups agian untill you re-enable it. PopUp Manager on the other hand blocks all the ads and none of the pop ups it shouldn't. It even does a great job for the ad-supported software. (how does it know? i don't know) But I like visiting forumns and having the popup blocked yet the little similes selector popup comes through just fine and all w/ out extra fiddling or twiddeling from me. I couldn't be happier with PopUpManger.... my 2cents. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM [GMT-8], Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: : I've been using pop-up stopper for quite a while so haven't needed to : evaluate any others. So it gets my vote. It seem perfect and : foolproof. : : Any advantage to these others over pop-up stopper? : : Rocky : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Keith Williamson" : To: : Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:39 AM : Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups : : :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It :: is quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. It's simple and :: works great. :: :: Jarad Huffman :: :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] :: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:16 AM :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'm using Popup Manager -- was it Donna that recommended it I think? :: -- anyway -- works great -- haven't seen a popup yet. :: :: Susan H. :: :: ::: How does this compare to webwasher? ::: ::: Patti ::: ::: :::: www.endpopups.com :::: :::: great program, free, effective, smart!!! From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 7 11:40:11 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:40:11 -0700 Subject: Fw: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Message-ID: <002801c35d02$9226cd00$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Jon, Why have ad-aware and spybot? IMNSHO, spybot catches all and does a better job at it w/o taking your pc hostage while it searches all avenues (registry, memory, and hdd). btw, I've found that sygate personal firewall is a more stable more secure firewall than zonealarm and it's still just as easy to use. Granted it doens't have all that AOL look and feel, but everything is very intuitive. btw, with all the security you've got you never once mentioned that you surf via proxy ;o) -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:32 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : :: I've got a combination of stuff - pop up stopper sthat permanently :: stops the persistent pop up IE windows, Zonealarm and McAfee Security :: Centre that filter out banner ads etc, and spybot that blocks :: downloads and installs of spyware, and ad-aware to clean it up :: afterwards. :: :: Not very paranoid at all, as you can tell :-) :: :: :: Jon :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] :: Sent: 07 August 2003 15:39 :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It is :: quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. It's simple and :: works great. :: :: Jarad Huffman :: :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] :: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:16 AM :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'm using Popup Manager -- was it Donna that recommended it I think? :: -- anyway -- works great -- haven't seen a popup yet. :: :: Susan H. :: :: ::: How does this compare to webwasher? ::: ::: Patti ::: ::: :::: www.endpopups.com :::: :::: great program, free, effective, smart!!! :::: :: :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: :: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be :: legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and :: are :: subject :: to the legal notice available on request from : :: webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading :: division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough :: House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and :: Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 8 03:44:43 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:44:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449673@ALCUXB> Ad-aware finds stuff that spybot doesn't and vice versa... after I've run a spybot scan (typically once a week) I run ad-aware and it always finds more things. Sygate, huh? I'll check that out when my licence for Zonealarm runs out :-) Oh, and I go through an ADSL router too, which is a dhcp server, and has limited protection too :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 07 August 2003 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Fw: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Why have ad-aware and spybot? IMNSHO, spybot catches all and does a better job at it w/o taking your pc hostage while it searches all avenues (registry, memory, and hdd). btw, I've found that sygate personal firewall is a more stable more secure firewall than zonealarm and it's still just as easy to use. Granted it doens't have all that AOL look and feel, but everything is very intuitive. btw, with all the security you've got you never once mentioned that you surf via proxy ;o) -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:32 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : :: I've got a combination of stuff - pop up stopper sthat permanently :: stops the persistent pop up IE windows, Zonealarm and McAfee Security :: Centre that filter out banner ads etc, and spybot that blocks :: downloads and installs of spyware, and ad-aware to clean it up :: afterwards. :: :: Not very paranoid at all, as you can tell :-) :: :: :: Jon :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] :: Sent: 07 August 2003 15:39 :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It is :: quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. It's simple and :: works great. :: :: Jarad Huffman :: :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] :: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:16 AM :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'm using Popup Manager -- was it Donna that recommended it I think? :: -- anyway -- works great -- haven't seen a popup yet. :: :: Susan H. :: :: ::: How does this compare to webwasher? ::: ::: Patti ::: ::: :::: www.endpopups.com :::: :::: great program, free, effective, smart!!! :::: :: :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: :: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be :: legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and :: are :: subject :: to the legal notice available on request from : :: webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading :: division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough :: House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and :: Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 7 08:09:14 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:09:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449673@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-upsJon, Can you be more specific in regards to what Ad-Aware finds that Spybot doesn't? I dropped using Ad-Aware when I started using Spybot because it seemed more thorough. I also use Pest Patrol because it has a memory resident scanner that stops stuff from getting installed in the first place. I have my network setup using windows ICS as my dhcp server - along with NIS(Norton firewall plus NAV, add-blocking, personal info protection, intrusion detection, spam filtering and parentol controls. I also have user level security in place. Do you see any problems with that (other than the cost)? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Ad-aware finds stuff that spybot doesn't and vice versa... after I've run a spybot scan (typically once a week) I run ad-aware and it always finds more things. Sygate, huh? I'll check that out when my licence for Zonealarm runs out :-) Oh, and I go through an ADSL router too, which is a dhcp server, and has limited protection too :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 07 August 2003 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Fw: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Why have ad-aware and spybot? IMNSHO, spybot catches all and does a better job at it w/o taking your pc hostage while it searches all avenues (registry, memory, and hdd). btw, I've found that sygate personal firewall is a more stable more secure firewall than zonealarm and it's still just as easy to use. Granted it doens't have all that AOL look and feel, but everything is very intuitive. btw, with all the security you've got you never once mentioned that you surf via proxy ;o) -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:32 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : :: I've got a combination of stuff - pop up stopper sthat permanently :: stops the persistent pop up IE windows, Zonealarm and McAfee Security :: Centre that filter out banner ads etc, and spybot that blocks :: downloads and installs of spyware, and ad-aware to clean it up :: afterwards. :: :: Not very paranoid at all, as you can tell :-) :: :: :: Jon :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] :: Sent: 07 August 2003 15:39 :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It is :: quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. It's simple and :: works great. :: :: Jarad Huffman :: :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] :: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:16 AM :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'm using Popup Manager -- was it Donna that recommended it I think? :: -- anyway -- works great -- haven't seen a popup yet. :: :: Susan H. :: :: ::: How does this compare to webwasher? ::: ::: Patti ::: ::: :::: www.endpopups.com :::: :::: great program, free, effective, smart!!! :::: :: :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: :: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be :: legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and :: are :: subject :: to the legal notice available on request from : :: webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading :: division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough :: House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and :: Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 8 08:12:45 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:12:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44967F@ALCUXB> Not off the top of my head, sorry John. It's not a great deal of stuff that it finds, more like a couple of little things. Sounds like you've got pretty much everything else covered too. I'm no security admin, but I've got a vague (and I'm talking REALLY vague) idea what's going on on my pc. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 07 August 2003 14:09 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Can you be more specific in regards to what Ad-Aware finds that Spybot doesn't? I dropped using Ad-Aware when I started using Spybot because it seemed more thorough. I also use Pest Patrol because it has a memory resident scanner that stops stuff from getting installed in the first place. I have my network setup using windows ICS as my dhcp server - along with NIS(Norton firewall plus NAV, add-blocking, personal info protection, intrusion detection, spam filtering and parentol controls. I also have user level security in place. Do you see any problems with that (other than the cost)? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Ad-aware finds stuff that spybot doesn't and vice versa... after I've run a spybot scan (typically once a week) I run ad-aware and it always finds more things. Sygate, huh? I'll check that out when my licence for Zonealarm runs out :-) Oh, and I go through an ADSL router too, which is a dhcp server, and has limited protection too :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [ mailto:my.lists at verizon.net ] Sent: 07 August 2003 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Fw: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Why have ad-aware and spybot? IMNSHO, spybot catches all and does a better job at it w/o taking your pc hostage while it searches all avenues (registry, memory, and hdd). btw, I've found that sygate personal firewall is a more stable more secure firewall than zonealarm and it's still just as easy to use. Granted it doens't have all that AOL look and feel, but everything is very intuitive. btw, with all the security you've got you never once mentioned that you surf via proxy ;o) -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:32 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : :: I've got a combination of stuff - pop up stopper sthat permanently :: stops the persistent pop up IE windows, Zonealarm and McAfee Security :: Centre that filter out banner ads etc, and spybot that blocks :: downloads and installs of spyware, and ad-aware to clean it up :: afterwards. :: :: Not very paranoid at all, as you can tell :-) :: :: :: Jon :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Keith Williamson [ mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com ] :: Sent: 07 August 2003 15:39 :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It is :: quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [ mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com ] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. It's simple and :: works great. :: :: Jarad Huffman :: :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Susan Harkins [ mailto:harkins at iglou.com ] :: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:16 AM :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'm using Popup Manager -- was it Donna that recommended it I think? :: -- anyway -- works great -- haven't seen a popup yet. :: :: Susan H. :: :: ::: How does this compare to webwasher? ::: ::: Patti ::: ::: :::: www.endpopups.com :::: :::: great program, free, effective, smart!!! :::: :: :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: _______________________________________________ :: dba-OT mailing list :: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com :: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot :: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com :: :: :: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be :: legally privileged. 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URL: From MPorter at acsalaska.com Fri Aug 8 10:48:58 2003 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:48:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Message-ID: Another one to throw in the mix is Proximotron. It's a proxy between you and the web that is fully scriptable. Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Can you be more specific in regards to what Ad-Aware finds that Spybot doesn't? I dropped using Ad-Aware when I started using Spybot because it seemed more thorough. I also use Pest Patrol because it has a memory resident scanner that stops stuff from getting installed in the first place. I have my network setup using windows ICS as my dhcp server - along with NIS(Norton firewall plus NAV, add-blocking, personal info protection, intrusion detection, spam filtering and parentol controls. I also have user level security in place. Do you see any problems with that (other than the cost)? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Ad-aware finds stuff that spybot doesn't and vice versa... after I've run a spybot scan (typically once a week) I run ad-aware and it always finds more things. Sygate, huh? I'll check that out when my licence for Zonealarm runs out :-) Oh, and I go through an ADSL router too, which is a dhcp server, and has limited protection too :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [ mailto:my.lists at verizon.net ] Sent: 07 August 2003 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Fw: [dba-Tech] Pop-ups Jon, Why have ad-aware and spybot? IMNSHO, spybot catches all and does a better job at it w/o taking your pc hostage while it searches all avenues (registry, memory, and hdd). btw, I've found that sygate personal firewall is a more stable more secure firewall than zonealarm and it's still just as easy to use. Granted it doens't have all that AOL look and feel, but everything is very intuitive. btw, with all the security you've got you never once mentioned that you surf via proxy ;o) -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:32 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : :: I've got a combination of stuff - pop up stopper sthat permanently :: stops the persistent pop up IE windows, Zonealarm and McAfee Security :: Centre that filter out banner ads etc, and spybot that blocks :: downloads and installs of spyware, and ad-aware to clean it up :: afterwards. :: :: Not very paranoid at all, as you can tell :-) :: :: :: Jon :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: Keith Williamson [ mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com ] :: Sent: 07 August 2003 15:39 :: To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: :: I'll throw my hat in for pop-up manager. Couldn't be simpler. It is :: quite funny....you can kind of see that the pop-up tries to :: energize....but the manager (behind the scenes) just squashes it, :: like a bug....automatically. And yet.. it hasn't blocked anything :: that it should not. :: :: Keith E. Williamson :: Ashland Equipment, Inc :: phone # (410) 273-1856 :: fax # (410) 273-1859 :: :: -----Original Message----- :: From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com :: [ mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com ] On Behalf Of Huffman, :: Jarad B. Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:32 AM :: To: 'dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com' :: Subject: RE: [dba-OT] Pop-ups :: :: I've been using Popup Manager as well. I like it. 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Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From artful at rogers.com Sat Aug 9 09:47:32 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:47:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Pop-upsDoes the Win XP install have a repair option? There are a few glitches after my massive attack several days ago. For example, I cannot install a printer. Will I have to do a complete reinstall or will it detect the current install and give me a repair option? I guess I could just proceed and see what happens, but that's a bit worrisome. Arthur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From music at weblnk.net Sat Aug 9 10:00:59 2003 From: music at weblnk.net (Jason Strickland) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:00:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c35e87$111a2d70$090a0a0a@Snappy> XP has the Repair option just like 2000. Hopefully it will work for you, but I've just always format/reinstall after a data backup. Jason -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? Does the Win XP install have a repair option? There are a few glitches after my massive attack several days ago. For example, I cannot install a printer. Will I have to do a complete reinstall or will it detect the current install and give me a repair option? I guess I could just proceed and see what happens, but that's a bit worrisome. Arthur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The recovery console essentially provides you a DOS prompt from which to copy/expand individual files from the .CAB files. It is reached through setup.exe. Of course you need the original installation disk. Here is a link to a brief tutorial with screenshots. http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxprcons.htm Mark Mitsules Senior Designer Department E13 Submarine Electrical Engineering Northrop Grumman Newport News 757.380.3376 -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? Does the Win XP install have a repair option? There are a few glitches after my massive attack several days ago. For example, I cannot install a printer. Will I have to do a complete reinstall or will it detect the current install and give me a repair option? I guess I could just proceed and see what happens, but that's a bit worrisome. Arthur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Aug 11 07:13:40 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:13:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? Message-ID: Additionally... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;314058 Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? Arthur, There is a "recovery console" option available, but not an automatic repair option...that I'm aware of. The recovery console essentially provides you a DOS prompt from which to copy/expand individual files from the .CAB files. It is reached through setup.exe. Of course you need the original installation disk. Here is a link to a brief tutorial with screenshots. http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxprcons.htm Mark Mitsules Senior Designer Department E13 Submarine Electrical Engineering Northrop Grumman Newport News 757.380.3376 -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP Repair? Does the Win XP install have a repair option? There are a few glitches after my massive attack several days ago. For example, I cannot install a printer. Will I have to do a complete reinstall or will it detect the current install and give me a repair option? I guess I could just proceed and see what happens, but that's a bit worrisome. Arthur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 11 09:20:01 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:20:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security Message-ID: <3f8b01c36013$a8ca2110$3c06d018@W2k> Dear Group, Some time back somebody posted an interesting message on AccessD. The message pointed you to a web site that specialized in e-mail security. At the site you entered your e-mail address and the company sent a half-dozen e-mails or so, each one of them probing a different e-mail weakness. For example, one of them caused the Windows calculator to launch, another started a brand new e-mail message, etc. I believe that the web site was www.gfi.com , however my recent visits to that site have come up empty as far as those nifty e-mail tests. Does anyone here recall that message or what the web site was that featured those e-mail tests? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Aug 11 09:24:01 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:24:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security Message-ID: I haven't looked, but the URL you suggested seems similar to a known security site www.grc.com. Perhaps it was there? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:20 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security Dear Group, Some time back somebody posted an interesting message on AccessD. The message pointed you to a web site that specialized in e-mail security. At the site you entered your e-mail address and the company sent a half-dozen e-mails or so, each one of them probing a different e-mail weakness. For example, one of them caused the Windows calculator to launch, another started a brand new e-mail message, etc. I believe that the web site was www.gfi.com , however my recent visits to that site have come up empty as far as those nifty e-mail tests. Does anyone here recall that message or what the web site was that featured those e-mail tests? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 11 15:11:57 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:11:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security References: Message-ID: <003701c36045$2db396a0$3c06d018@W2k> Mark, Thanks for responding. No, I know about Gibson Research. The site that was the topic of the e-mail had a registration page of some kind describing what would happen once the tests began. As I said, several e-mails were then sent to my machine, each one trying to perform some nasty little surprise: run a VB script, send e-mail to somebody else, start a Windows application, etc. Some of these e-mails were de-fanged by Norton AntiVirus and ZoneAlarm, but others weren't. I'm pretty sure it was www.gfi.com ; however, their site has changed and the emphasis is on network mail security products. I guess I'll contact them to see if they were, indeed, the folks that offered that e-mail test suite. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 11 15:17:14 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:17:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security References: Message-ID: <003801c36045$91b36950$3c06d018@W2k> Mark, Hah! I found it! http://www.gfi.com/emailsecuritytest/ I just didn't dig deep enough at the GFI site. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 15:16:26 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:16:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server References: <003701c36045$2db396a0$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: <004501c36045$71f1ae60$0f0b6351@martin1> Been posting to AccessD but may have more luck here Started getting an error svchost.exe was causing a problem and the memory ar location xxx could not be read Reinstalled the OS and no luck still getting it. Stopped all non essential services - no luck Any ideas. THis is the last good machien I have up and running. The other failed and is in for repair. Martin From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Aug 11 16:07:52 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:07:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: <003c01c35cf1$b33e8ac0$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com><00da01c35cf4$a10daef0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><001c01c35d01$be6338f0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> <005701c35dfe$705f5c80$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: <001a01c3604c$a0f64160$b615010a@FHTAPIA> PopUp Manager catches only PopUps windows, not NET Send Messages also commonly known as winPop or the like. I use Sygate Personal Firewall to block popup Messages received in the messenger service from outside my network. I use MsSqlServer 2000 and I don't have any problems receiving messages from it either. Like I said ZoneAlarm is ok, but I prefer Sygate, and I've tried several firewall packages. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Friday, August 08, 2003 3:37 PM [GMT-8], Steven W. Erbach wrote: : Francisco, : : Based on what you and others have said about PopUp Manager I : installed it. I see that it's an Internet ad blocker...but what about : Windows Messaging pop-ups? I don't get as many as I used to since I : re-configured ZoneAlarm to catch as many as I can figure out how to : stop. Does PopUp Manager stop the Windows Messaging popups? I didn't : see any option for that in its settings. : : I don't want to disable Windows Messaging since SQL Server 2000 uses : it. : : Steve Erbach : Scientific Marketing : Neenah, WI : : "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." : -- Lady Margaret Thatcher : : : _______________________________________________ : dba-Tech mailing list : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 11 16:20:40 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:20:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: <003c01c35cf1$b33e8ac0$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com> <00da01c35cf4$a10daef0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <001c01c35d01$be6338f0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> <005701c35dfe$705f5c80$3c06d018@W2k> <001a01c3604c$a0f64160$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Message-ID: <00c601c3604f$13faeb00$3c06d018@W2k> Francisco, >> I use Sygate Personal Firewall to block popup Messages received in the messenger service from outside my network. I use MsSqlServer 2000 and I don't have any problems receiving messages from it either. Like I said ZoneAlarm is ok, but I prefer Sygate, and I've tried several firewall packages. << For now, I used Gibson Research's ShootTheMessenger.exe to turn off Windows Messaging until I can find the magic combination in ZoneAlarm to do what you've done with Sygate. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 11 20:08:18 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:08:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups In-Reply-To: <00c601c3604f$13faeb00$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: Is it free? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:21 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups Francisco, >> I use Sygate Personal Firewall to From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Aug 12 02:58:39 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:58:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4496B7@ALCUXB> Touch wood I've not had any windows messaging windows appear on my system at home... but I don't know if that's because I've got the new version of Zonealarm, and McAfee Security Centre, or cos nobody loves me :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 11 August 2003 22:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups Francisco, >> I use Sygate Personal Firewall to block popup Messages received in the messenger service from outside my network. I use MsSqlServer 2000 and I don't have any problems receiving messages from it either. Like I said ZoneAlarm is ok, but I prefer Sygate, and I've tried several firewall packages. << For now, I used Gibson Research's ShootTheMessenger.exe to turn off Windows Messaging until I can find the magic combination in ZoneAlarm to do what you've done with Sygate. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 12 06:11:49 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:11:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: Message-ID: <006c01c360c2$8f133b30$3c06d018@W2k> Arthur, >> Is it free? << Yes. I downloaded a copy to put on our sons' Win XP Home PC. http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:38:38 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:38:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: Message-ID: <001901c360e7$cd210130$b615010a@FHTAPIA> SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall) is free for personal use. It is IMHO and IMNSHO better than any of the other firewalls I've tested. http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf/spf_ov.htm SPF Pro is the one that costs money and I think that it is worth it. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Monday, August 11, 2003 6:08 PM [GMT-8], Arthur Fuller wrote: : Is it free? : : -----Original Message----- : From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com : [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. : Erbach : Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:21 PM : To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues : Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups : : : Francisco, : ::: I use Sygate Personal Firewall to : : _______________________________________________ : dba-Tech mailing list : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 12 13:34:37 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security References: <3f8b01c36013$a8ca2110$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: <00b201c36100$63ae56d0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Check the AccessD archives.... Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security > Dear Group, > > Some time back somebody posted an interesting message on AccessD. The > message pointed you to a web site that specialized in e-mail security. At > the site you entered your e-mail address and the company sent a half-dozen > e-mails or so, each one of them probing a different e-mail weakness. For > example, one of them caused the Windows calculator to launch, another > started a brand new e-mail message, etc. > > I believe that the web site was www.gfi.com , however my recent visits to > that site have come up empty as far as those nifty e-mail tests. > > Does anyone here recall that message or what the web site was that featured > those e-mail tests? > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 12 13:35:45 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:35:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server References: <003701c36045$2db396a0$3c06d018@W2k> <004501c36045$71f1ae60$0f0b6351@martin1> Message-ID: <00c001c36100$8bec9da0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> I get that all the time on this machine. I honestly haven't bothered to do anything about it, cause every service I need running is running fine. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server > Been posting to AccessD but may have more luck here > > Started getting an error svchost.exe was causing a problem and the memory ar > location xxx could not be read > > Reinstalled the OS and no luck still getting it. Stopped all non essential > services - no luck > > Any ideas. THis is the last good machien I have up and running. The other > failed and is in for repair. > > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From blreische at mdh.org Tue Aug 12 14:03:27 2003 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:03:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612733@NEWMAN_EXC> Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the antivirus sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone heard anything about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Aug 12 14:17:54 2003 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:17:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Message-ID: I found a thread on the dropper.welder.a Trojan, link is below, watch for wrapping http://www.digifriends.com/message_boards/mboards.mv?action=show_message &go_category=EN0000000002&go_msg=0000014469 Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:03 PM To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the antivirus sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone heard anything about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blreische at mdh.org Tue Aug 12 14:23:14 2003 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612734@NEWMAN_EXC> That was the only thread I found as well - the guy who has it looked it over and didn't think it offered any real solutions except to disable system restore... Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? I found a thread on the dropper.welder.a Trojan, link is below, watch for wrapping http://www.digifriends.com/message_boards/mboards.mv?action=show_message &go_category=EN0000000002&go_msg=0000014469 Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:03 PM To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the antivirus sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone heard anything about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Aug 12 14:38:15 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:38:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612733@NEWMAN_EXC> Message-ID: <3F394227.5030602@shaw.ca> Maybe this one http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=BKDR_WELDER.10 Reische, Brenda L. wrote: > Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on > their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the antivirus > sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone heard anything > about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? > > > > Brenda Reische > > Application Support Analyst > > McDonough District Hospital > > www.mdh.org > > (309) 833-4101 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Aug 12 14:47:05 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:47:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612734@NEWMAN_EXC> Message-ID: <3F394439.4010803@shaw.ca> Anti Virus firms use multiple alias names and variants for viruses until they are officially named by CARO Computer Antivirus Research Organization. Mcafee may use one name. TrendMicro another. But it is probably some variant of a Dropper Virus. Check your AV website for aliases. Reische, Brenda L. wrote: > That was the only thread I found as well - the guy who has it looked > it over and didn't think it offered any real solutions except to > disable system restore... > > > > Brenda Reische > > Application Support Analyst > > McDonough District Hospital > > www.mdh.org > > (309) 833-4101 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:18 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? > > > > I found a thread on the dropper.welder.a Trojan, link is below, watch > for wrapping > http://www.digifriends.com/message_boards/mboards.mv?action=show_message&go_category=EN0000000002&go_msg=0000014469 > > > > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:03 PM > To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? > > Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on > their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the > antivirus sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone > heard anything about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? > > > > Brenda Reische > > Application Support Analyst > > McDonough District Hospital > > www.mdh.org > > (309) 833-4101 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From blreische at mdh.org Tue Aug 12 15:00:30 2003 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:00:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612739@NEWMAN_EXC> Thanks to everyone for replying to this thread -- thanks for the quick response and assistance. I have forwarded the responses to the guy with the infection and he will hopefully get it cleaned up. Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? Anti Virus firms use multiple alias names and variants for viruses until they are officially named by CARO Computer Antivirus Research Organization. Mcafee may use one name. TrendMicro another. But it is probably some variant of a Dropper Virus. Check your AV website for aliases. Reische, Brenda L. wrote: > That was the only thread I found as well - the guy who has it looked > it over and didn't think it offered any real solutions except to > disable system restore... > > > > Brenda Reische > > Application Support Analyst > > McDonough District Hospital > > www.mdh.org > > (309) 833-4101 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:18 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? > > > > I found a thread on the dropper.welder.a Trojan, link is below, watch > for wrapping > http://www.digifriends.com/message_boards/mboards.mv?action=show_message&go_ category=EN0000000002&go_msg=0000014469 > > > > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:03 PM > To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Anyone heard of this virus or trojan?? > > Someone here at work says they have a welder.a Trojan detected on > their computer by our antivirus software. I've been to the > antivirus sites and don't find any information on it. Anyone > heard anything about it?? What does it do, how to remove?? > > > > Brenda Reische > > Application Support Analyst > > McDonough District Hospital > > www.mdh.org > > (309) 833-4101 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 12 18:13:02 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:13:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server In-Reply-To: <00c001c36100$8bec9da0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <3F3A011E.15240.3CD283@localhost> On 12 Aug 2003 at 13:35, Drew Wutka wrote: > I get that all the time on this machine. I honestly haven't bothered to do > anything about it, cause every service I need running is running fine. > And you are constantly re-propagating the Trojan to other machines on the Internet? -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 12 18:16:12 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:16:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups In-Reply-To: <001901c360e7$cd210130$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Message-ID: <3F3A01DC.17501.3FB9C5@localhost> On 12 Aug 2003 at 8:38, Francisco H Tapia wrote: > SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall) is free for personal use. It is IMHO and > IMNSHO better than any of the other firewalls I've tested. > > http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf/spf_ov.htm > > SPF Pro is the one that costs money and I think that it is worth it. > > -Francisco > http://rcm.netfirms.com > I've recently started using Kerio Personal Firewall (free for personal use) from http://www.kerio.com. I really like it. It's the most configurable free one I've seen so far. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 12 18:19:38 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:19:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server References: <3F3A011E.15240.3CD283@localhost> Message-ID: <018e01c36128$33604880$1500a8c0@marlow.com> No, no viruses..... Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WIn 2003 Server > On 12 Aug 2003 at 13:35, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > I get that all the time on this machine. I honestly haven't bothered to do > > anything about it, cause every service I need running is running fine. > > > And you are constantly re-propagating the Trojan to other machines on > the Internet? > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 12 20:19:28 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:19:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security References: <3f8b01c36013$a8ca2110$3c06d018@W2k> <00b201c36100$63ae56d0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <001001c36138$f6fb40f0$3c06d018@W2k> Drew, >> Check the AccessD archives.... << Believe it or not, I've saved just about every AccessD message since Sep. 5, 2000 to the present. I couldn't find any message in there that mentioned gfi.com. But I found it anyway. They sent me a series of 15 e-mails to test my e-mail vulnerability. I'm happy to say that it's pretty solid. If you're interested I put the link in my message to Mark Mitsules. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 10:29:45 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:29:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups References: <3F3A01DC.17501.3FB9C5@localhost> Message-ID: <006f01c361af$b9bce000$b615010a@FHTAPIA> visited their site, and saw the screen shots... these look similar to what's available in SPF, have you ever tried it?, I'm only a little skeptical of trying out this new firewall for fear that I'll leave my system open enough time to catch the msBlaster. I'm sure this catches it but I like the configurability and filters that you can add in SPF. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:16 PM [GMT-8], Stuart McLachlan wrote: : On 12 Aug 2003 at 8:38, Francisco H Tapia wrote: : :: SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall) is free for personal use. It is IMHO :: and IMNSHO better than any of the other firewalls I've tested. :: :: http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf/spf_ov.htm :: :: SPF Pro is the one that costs money and I think that it is worth it. :: :: -Francisco :: http://rcm.netfirms.com :: : : I've recently started using Kerio Personal Firewall (free for : personal use) from http://www.kerio.com. : : I really like it. It's the most configurable free one I've seen so : far. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 13 10:25:52 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:25:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449707@ALCUXB> there's a patch available from microsoft to stop msblaster infecting your system. I found it on www.mcafee.com when I clicked on the link for msblaster/lovsan worm. It's towards the bottom of the page, in the removal instructions bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 13 August 2003 16:30 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Pop-ups visited their site, and saw the screen shots... these look similar to what's available in SPF, have you ever tried it?, I'm only a little skeptical of trying out this new firewall for fear that I'll leave my system open enough time to catch the msBlaster. I'm sure this catches it but I like the configurability and filters that you can add in SPF. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:16 PM [GMT-8], Stuart McLachlan wrote: : On 12 Aug 2003 at 8:38, Francisco H Tapia wrote: : :: SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall) is free for personal use. It is IMHO :: and IMNSHO better than any of the other firewalls I've tested. :: :: http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf/spf_ov.htm :: :: SPF Pro is the one that costs money and I think that it is worth it. :: :: -Francisco :: http://rcm.netfirms.com :: : : I've recently started using Kerio Personal Firewall (free for : personal use) from http://www.kerio.com. : : I really like it. It's the most configurable free one I've seen so : far. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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Arthur From artful at rogers.com Wed Aug 13 10:29:55 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:29:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security In-Reply-To: <001001c36138$f6fb40f0$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: I went there and got essentially the same result. Pretty interesting, the way they go about probing your system. Arthur "Behind every great fortune there is a great crime." - Mario Puzo -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail security Drew, >> Check the AccessD archives.... << Believe it or not, I've saved just about every AccessD message since Sep. 5, 2000 to the present. I couldn't find any message in there that mentioned gfi.com. But I found it anyway. They sent me a series of 15 e-mails to test my e-mail vulnerability. I'm happy to say that it's pretty solid. If you're interested I put the link in my message to Mark Mitsules. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 13 10:29:49 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:29:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Personal Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449708@ALCUXB> The amount of OS related stuff that tries to access the internet in win2k is amazing... win98 didn't have anything that NEEDS to see the internet to make it work, but in 2k, I read somewhere that if you deny the wrong thing access, your internet won't work at all. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 13 August 2003 16:30 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Personal Firewall I grabbed the free version and have been using it the last couple of days. Every once in a while a popup appears saying something to the effect of "Application NTOSkernel has tried to access the network (internet?) and has been blocked." What's this about? Should I worry? Should I be relieved? Other than this message, nothing appears broken. I can see the network and the internet, and everything like IE and Outlook seems to work fine. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 11:24:59 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:24:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Personal Firewall References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C180105307C14@EXCHMAIL> Message-ID: <000f01c361b7$7347ca60$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Arthur, at home sygate is set up to block [Services and Controller App], [LSA Executeable and Server DLL (Export Version)], [Generic Host Process for Win32 Services], [Microsoft QMgr] [Sql Server Service Manager], w/ the [NT Kernel & System] set to prompt me which it never does. I can get to the internet just fine. -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:29 AM [GMT-8], Jon Tydda wrote: : The amount of OS related stuff that tries to access the internet in : win2k is amazing... win98 didn't have anything that NEEDS to see the : internet to make it work, but in 2k, I read somewhere that if you deny : the wrong thing access, your internet won't work at all. : : : Jon : : -----Original Message----- : From: Arthur Fuller [ mailto:artful at rogers.com : ] : Sent: 13 August 2003 16:30 : To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues : Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Personal Firewall : : : I grabbed the free version and have been using it the last couple of : days. : Every once in a while a popup appears saying something to the effect : of "Application NTOSkernel has tried to access the network : (internet?) and has : been blocked." What's this about? Should I worry? Should I be : relieved? Other than this message, nothing appears broken. I can see : the network and : the internet, and everything like IE and Outlook seems to work fine. : : Arthur : : _______________________________________________ : dba-Tech mailing list : dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com : http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech : : Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com : : : : The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally : privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are : subject : : to the legal notice available on request from : : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk : ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. : Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 : 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 13 13:59:48 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sygate Personal Firewall References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449708@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <02a301c361cd$ac878b60$3c06d018@W2k> Jon, >> I read somewhere that if you deny the wrong thing access, your internet won't work at all. << I don't suppose you could pummel your brain to recall where you read that, could you? I've been having the devil of a time with our sons' Win XP Home system. It doesn't want to connect to the Internet via our LAN / cable modem anymore, and the LAN connection is seriously slower, too. I'm using Sygate on that PC, but I can't see that anything untoward is being blocked. Any rememberances? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 13 16:42:32 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:42:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail security References: <3f8b01c36013$a8ca2110$3c06d018@W2k><00b201c36100$63ae56d0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <001001c36138$f6fb40f0$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: <006801c361e3$cd3d6850$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Oh, okay, just curious if you searched the archives. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail security > Drew, > > >> Check the AccessD archives.... << > > Believe it or not, I've saved just about every AccessD message since Sep. 5, > 2000 to the present. I couldn't find any message in there that mentioned > gfi.com. But I found it anyway. They sent me a series of 15 e-mails to test > my e-mail vulnerability. I'm happy to say that it's pretty solid. If you're > interested I put the link in my message to Mark Mitsules. > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 13 22:46:15 2003 From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:46:15 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Message-ID: <001901c36216$a9ba7e80$54dd31d2@OfficePC> Just sharing some frustration....today to make sure that I could avoid this new worm which I had not been infected with yet, I went to the site MS has advertised and let MS 'review' my Win 2K Pro version and recommend updates. It then showed alist of updates I could make and after reading through the first one (re: the scurity hole) I went ahead and installed it. I now cannot do all kinds of things, eg. I can;t open a pdf file with Acrobat reader ('Acrobat has generted errors...') and when I tried to just reinstall Acrobat Reader I get errors telling me that the Windows installer file is corrupt and that the installation cannot proceed. I am also having quirky problems in IE - none of which I was having before going near the MS site. If I go back to the MS site and try to re-install that patch or any other it throws and error and chucks me out. I am now faced with reinstalling Windows............sigh. Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It doesn't want to connect to the Internet via our LAN / cable modem anymore, and the LAN connection is seriously slower, too. I'm using Sygate on that PC, but I can't see that anything untoward is being blocked. Any rememberances? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 14 03:07:05 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:07:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449710@ALCUXB> Kath I don't think you can reinstall patches from the windows update site, but if you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads there is a catalogue list of ALL the patches they've ever produced. I downloaded SP4 in it's entirety and stored it on my server so that I could patch all the pc's here without using all my bandwidth. I'd say a reinstall of sp4 was in order. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: 14 August 2003 04:46 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Just sharing some frustration....today to make sure that I could avoid this new worm which I had not been infected with yet, I went to the site MS has advertised and let MS 'review' my Win 2K Pro version and recommend updates. It then showed alist of updates I could make and after reading through the first one (re: the scurity hole) I went ahead and installed it. I now cannot do all kinds of things, eg. I can;t open a pdf file with Acrobat reader ('Acrobat has generted errors...') and when I tried to just reinstall Acrobat Reader I get errors telling me that the Windows installer file is corrupt and that the installation cannot proceed. I am also having quirky problems in IE - none of which I was having before going near the MS site. If I go back to the MS site and try to re-install that patch or any other it throws and error and chucks me out. I am now faced with reinstalling Windows............sigh. Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 10:37:10 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:37:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL Message-ID: <000701c36279$ed85a730$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Just called Verizon DSL and was upgraded to 1500/128 for the same price as the basic 768/128, that's their new price for the 1500/128, :). -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:28:22 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:28:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL Message-ID: That's great. Pity that you have to ASK for it though :-( Is ANYONE not gonna want to be connected at twice the speed? Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Francisco H Tapia" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues", >Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:37:10 -0700 > >Just called Verizon DSL and was upgraded to 1500/128 for the same price as >the basic 768/128, that's their new price for the 1500/128, :). > > > >-Francisco >http://rcm.netfirms.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 14 11:32:29 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:32:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL In-Reply-To: <000701c36279$ed85a730$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Message-ID: Just out of curiosity, what's the cost? John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; hardware at hardwaregroup.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL Just called Verizon DSL and was upgraded to 1500/128 for the same price as the basic 768/128, that's their new price for the 1500/128, :). -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 12:05:45 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:05:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL References: Message-ID: <003301c36286$4db45730$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Yes Really, I only found out about it because a friend of mine was unhappy about his upload and was looking for something better... he got upgraded yesterday and double checked his speed over at www.dslreports.com -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:28 AM [GMT-8], Gary Kjos wrote: : That's great. Pity that you have to ASK for it though :-( : : Is ANYONE not gonna want to be connected at twice the speed? : : Gary Kjos : garykjos at hotmail.com : : : : : :: From: "Francisco H Tapia" :: Just called Verizon DSL and was upgraded to 1500/128 for the same :: price as the basic 768/128, that's their new price for the 1500/128, :: :). From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 12:07:37 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:07:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL References: Message-ID: <003901c36286$9048dda0$b615010a@FHTAPIA> I originally signed up to DSL for 40 bucks a month for a 12 month plan, they dropped their prices and it's been 35 bucks a month for 2 months now... and today I called about the upgrade to 1500/128 :o) (that stays at 35 a month). -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:32 AM [GMT-8], John Colby wrote: : Just out of curiosity, what's the cost? : : John W. Colby : www.colbyconsulting.com : : -----Original Message----- : From: Francisco H Tapia : : Just called Verizon DSL and was upgraded to 1500/128 for the same : price as the basic 768/128, that's their new price for the 1500/128, : :). From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 14 15:27:36 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:27:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL References: <003301c36286$4db45730$b615010a@FHTAPIA> Message-ID: <008001c362a2$82ecb200$3c06d018@W2k> Francisco, How does changing from 768/128 to 1500/128 affect upload speed? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 15:57:35 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:57:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Verizon DSL References: <003301c36286$4db45730$b615010a@FHTAPIA> <008001c362a2$82ecb200$3c06d018@W2k> Message-ID: <001501c362a6$b0483040$b615010a@FHTAPIA> no it doesn't, but I did get a *free* upgrade for download speed -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com On Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:27 PM [GMT-8], Steven W. Erbach wrote: : Francisco, : : How does changing from 768/128 to 1500/128 affect upload speed? From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Aug 14 21:25:32 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:25:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away Message-ID: Have Win2000. Need a way to get rid of folder in Recycle Bin. Won't bore you with the long story, but the condensed version is: During a tech support incident with Macromedia, I was trying to get rid of this folder: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Macromedia\Dreamweaver MX\Configuration\SiteCache\abc and it wouldn't go away. I would get the message: Error deleting file or folder Cannot find the specified file. Make sure you specify the correct path and filename. Bottom line way of getting it to the recycle bin was that I had to go into safe mode command prompt to do delete the entire Configuration\SiteCache\abc folder. I didn't realize that even at safe mode command prompt, it still only put it in the recycle bin. Anyway, now it is stuck in the Recycle Bin and I still can't empty it out of there - get the same message. Here's jpg of all the messages, including what the properties look like. http://ourwebsite.org/misc/recyclebin.jpg How do I get rid of this d**n thing? For the record, on recommendation from Macromedia (on other problem), I downloaded Advanced system optimizer: http://download.com.com/3000-2086-10208645.html and ran 3 tasks using the utility: -Registry defrager and optimizer -System cleaner and optimizer -Registry cleaner and fixer That didn't make a difference for this either. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Aug 15 01:35:08 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:35:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00db01c362f7$5ef40380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Kathryn Just a thought but could you recover it from Recycle Bin then boot with a DOS disk and delete it? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Kathryn Bassett > Sent: 15 August 2003 03:26 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away > > > Have Win2000. Need a way to get rid of folder in Recycle Bin. > Won't bore you with the long story, but the condensed version > is: During a tech support incident with Macromedia, I was > trying to get rid of this folder: C:\Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Application > Data\Macromedia\Dreamweaver MX\Configuration\SiteCache\abc > and it wouldn't go away. I would get the message: Error > deleting file or folder Cannot find the specified file. Make > sure you specify the correct path and filename. > > Bottom line way of getting it to the recycle bin was that I > had to go into safe mode command prompt to do delete the > entire Configuration\SiteCache\abc folder. I didn't realize > that even at safe mode command prompt, it still only put it > in the recycle bin. > > Anyway, now it is stuck in the Recycle Bin and I still can't > empty it out of there - get the same message. Here's jpg of > all the messages, including what the properties look like. > http://ourwebsite.org/misc/recyclebin.jpg > > How do I get rid > of this d**n thing? > > For the record, on recommendation from Macromedia (on other > problem), I downloaded Advanced system optimizer: http://download.com.com/3000-2086-10208645.html and ran 3 tasks using the utility: -Registry defrager and optimizer -System cleaner and optimizer -Registry cleaner and fixer That didn't make a difference for this either. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Aug 15 06:40:01 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:40:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away Message-ID: Kathryn, Another possible work-around... Restore the folder. Right-click Recycle Bin, and then click Properties. Click to select the Do not move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files immediately when deleted check box, and then click OK. ...then try your method of going to safe mode and deleting. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away Kathryn Just a thought but could you recover it from Recycle Bin then boot with a DOS disk and delete it? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Kathryn Bassett > Sent: 15 August 2003 03:26 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away > > > Have Win2000. Need a way to get rid of folder in Recycle Bin. > Won't bore you with the long story, but the condensed version > is: During a tech support incident with Macromedia, I was > trying to get rid of this folder: C:\Documents and > Settings\Administrator\Application > Data\Macromedia\Dreamweaver MX\Configuration\SiteCache\abc > and it wouldn't go away. I would get the message: Error > deleting file or folder Cannot find the specified file. Make > sure you specify the correct path and filename. > > Bottom line way of getting it to the recycle bin was that I > had to go into safe mode command prompt to do delete the > entire Configuration\SiteCache\abc folder. I didn't realize > that even at safe mode command prompt, it still only put it > in the recycle bin. > > Anyway, now it is stuck in the Recycle Bin and I still can't > empty it out of there - get the same message. Here's jpg of > all the messages, including what the properties look like. > http://ourwebsite.org/misc/recyclebin.jpg > > How do I get rid > of this d**n thing? > > For the record, on recommendation from Macromedia (on other > problem), I downloaded Advanced system optimizer: http://download.com.com/3000-2086-10208645.html and ran 3 tasks using the utility: -Registry defrager and optimizer -System cleaner and optimizer -Registry cleaner and fixer That didn't make a difference for this either. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 15 08:23:37 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:23:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44973E@ALCUXB> I've just been handed an object that apparently came from our old building before we moved. Someone's just been over for the final time to get anything we might want. This object is about the size of a cigarette packet/deck of cards, has what looks like an ide 40 pin connection at one end, and a standard 4 way power connection, but with only two (red and black) cables in it. It's covered in a plasticised copper foil case which has holes in it for mounting screws and looks kinda like a hard drive, but I've never seen one like it before. I have no idea how old it is, nor does the packaging give any clues either - it's a standard clear anti-static plastic bag with a piece of foam in it... Does anyone have any ideas??? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Aug 15 08:44:02 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:44:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... Message-ID: ;) Now for the airport security question of the day... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:24 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... I've just been handed an object that apparently came from our old building before we moved. Someone's just been over for the final time to get anything we might want. This object is about the size of a cigarette packet/deck of cards, has what looks like an ide 40 pin connection at one end, and a standard 4 way power connection, but with only two (red and black) cables in it. It's covered in a plasticised copper foil case which has holes in it for mounting screws and looks kinda like a hard drive, but I've never seen one like it before. I have no idea how old it is, nor does the packaging give any clues either - it's a standard clear anti-static plastic bag with a piece of foam in it... Does anyone have any ideas??? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 15 08:44:13 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:44:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449740@ALCUXB> No, I didn't pack it myself :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 15 August 2003 14:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... ;) Now for the airport security question of the day... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:24 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... I've just been handed an object that apparently came from our old building before we moved. Someone's just been over for the final time to get anything we might want. This object is about the size of a cigarette packet/deck of cards, has what looks like an ide 40 pin connection at one end, and a standard 4 way power connection, but with only two (red and black) cables in it. It's covered in a plasticised copper foil case which has holes in it for mounting screws and looks kinda like a hard drive, but I've never seen one like it before. I have no idea how old it is, nor does the packaging give any clues either - it's a standard clear anti-static plastic bag with a piece of foam in it... Does anyone have any ideas??? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 15 09:06:47 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:06:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449741@ALCUXB> Right... with a bit of effort (and some swearing) I've managed to get the copper cover off without completely destroying it. I've discovered that it is in fact a hard drive, albeit a very small one. I have no idea what capacity it is, although I shall be conducting experiments on it as soon as Igor, my assitant, returns with some fresh body parts. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda Sent: 15 August 2003 14:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... No, I didn't pack it myself :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark [ mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com ] Sent: 15 August 2003 14:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... ;) Now for the airport security question of the day... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [ mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk ] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:24 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... I've just been handed an object that apparently came from our old building before we moved. Someone's just been over for the final time to get anything we might want. This object is about the size of a cigarette packet/deck of cards, has what looks like an ide 40 pin connection at one end, and a standard 4 way power connection, but with only two (red and black) cables in it. It's covered in a plasticised copper foil case which has holes in it for mounting screws and looks kinda like a hard drive, but I've never seen one like it before. I have no idea how old it is, nor does the packaging give any clues either - it's a standard clear anti-static plastic bag with a piece of foam in it... Does anyone have any ideas??? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Aug 15 12:38:00 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:38:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away THANKS In-Reply-To: <00db01c362f7$5ef40380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: Andy Lacey suggested: > Just a thought but could you recover it from Recycle Bin then boot with > a DOS disk and delete it? Forgot to mention that the only way I was able to move the folders to the desktop in the first place was by booting up from a Win98 system disk (suggestion by a local guru). While in Win98, I found out that the abc directory was actually abc~1 - have no idea how that happened. Mark Mitsules, suggested: > Restore the folder. Right-click Recycle Bin, and then click Properties. > Click to select the Do not move files to the Recycle Bin. Remove files > immediately when deleted check box, and then click OK. > ...then try your method of going to safe mode and deleting. So, I restored back to the desktop, then changed the properties of the Recycle Bin as Mark suggested. Went into safemode command prompt and went through all the delete processes again (remembering that to delete abc, it had to be abc~1), then booted back up normally. Yeah! nothing in the Recycle Bin! And yes, I remembered to change the properties back. Thanks for the Recycle Bin tip - had never explored the properties for it and didn't know this was a possiblity. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Aug 15 12:45:42 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:45:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away THANKS Message-ID: Kathryn, I'm glad to hear the problem "went away". Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Stubborn file won't go away THANKS Andy Lacey suggested: > Just a thought but could you recover it from Recycle Bin then boot > with a DOS disk and delete it? Forgot to mention that the only way I was able to move the folders to the desktop in the first place was by booting up from a Win98 system disk (suggestion by a local guru). While in Win98, I found out that the abc directory was actually abc~1 - have no idea how that happened. Mark Mitsules, suggested: > Restore the folder. Right-click Recycle Bin, and then click > Properties. Click to select the Do not move files to the Recycle Bin. > Remove files immediately when deleted check box, and then click OK. > ...then try your method of going to safe mode and deleting. So, I restored back to the desktop, then changed the properties of the Recycle Bin as Mark suggested. Went into safemode command prompt and went through all the delete processes again (remembering that to delete abc, it had to be abc~1), then booted back up normally. Yeah! nothing in the Recycle Bin! And yes, I remembered to change the properties back. Thanks for the Recycle Bin tip - had never explored the properties for it and didn't know this was a possiblity. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Aug 15 13:26:36 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:26:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44973E@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <009f01c3635a$c33c6ef0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> unidentified object...sounds a little like the Laptop IDE drive external case we have. Ours uses USB though. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] unidentified object... I've just been handed an object that apparently came from our old building before we moved. Someone's just been over for the final time to get anything we might want. This object is about the size of a cigarette packet/deck of cards, has what looks like an ide 40 pin connection at one end, and a standard 4 way power connection, but with only two (red and black) cables in it. It's covered in a plasticised copper foil case which has holes in it for mounting screws and looks kinda like a hard drive, but I've never seen one like it before. I have no idea how old it is, nor does the packaging give any clues either - it's a standard clear anti-static plastic bag with a piece of foam in it... Does anyone have any ideas??? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Thanks for that. About half an hour after sending that message I shut down the PC and it has taken me 2 days to get back online. I took advantage of the disaster (couldn;t start Windows at all) to upgrade to Win XP Pro and now I'm back online. Thanks for the tip anyway. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Kath I don't think you can reinstall patches from the windows update site, but if you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads there is a catalogue list of ALL the patches they've ever produced. I downloaded SP4 in it's entirety and stored it on my server so that I could patch all the pc's here without using all my bandwidth. I'd say a reinstall of sp4 was in order. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: 14 August 2003 04:46 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Just sharing some frustration....today to make sure that I could avoid this new worm which I had not been infected with yet, I went to the site MS has advertised and let MS 'review' my Win 2K Pro version and recommend updates. It then showed alist of updates I could make and after reading through the first one (re: the scurity hole) I went ahead and installed it. I now cannot do all kinds of things, eg. I can;t open a pdf file with Acrobat reader ('Acrobat has generted errors...') and when I tried to just reinstall Acrobat Reader I get errors telling me that the Windows installer file is corrupt and that the installation cannot proceed. I am also having quirky problems in IE - none of which I was having before going near the MS site. If I go back to the MS site and try to re-install that patch or any other it throws and error and chucks me out. I am now faced with reinstalling Windows............sigh. Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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About half an hour after sending that message I shut down the PC and it has taken me 2 days to get back online. I took advantage of the disaster (couldn;t start Windows at all) to upgrade to Win XP Pro and now I'm back online. Thanks for the tip anyway. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Kath I don't think you can reinstall patches from the windows update site, but if you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads there is a catalogue list of ALL the patches they've ever produced. I downloaded SP4 in it's entirety and stored it on my server so that I could patch all the pc's here without using all my bandwidth. I'd say a reinstall of sp4 was in order. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: 14 August 2003 04:46 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] WIndows update aarrrggh Just sharing some frustration....today to make sure that I could avoid this new worm which I had not been infected with yet, I went to the site MS has advertised and let MS 'review' my Win 2K Pro version and recommend updates. It then showed alist of updates I could make and after reading through the first one (re: the scurity hole) I went ahead and installed it. I now cannot do all kinds of things, eg. I can;t open a pdf file with Acrobat reader ('Acrobat has generted errors...') and when I tried to just reinstall Acrobat Reader I get errors telling me that the Windows installer file is corrupt and that the installation cannot proceed. I am also having quirky problems in IE - none of which I was having before going near the MS site. If I go back to the MS site and try to re-install that patch or any other it throws and error and chucks me out. I am now faced with reinstalling Windows............sigh. Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _____ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sat Aug 16 06:30:20 2003 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:30:20 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... Message-ID: <002f01c363e9$cbe35930$b501010a@DAISY.local> Gentlemen & gentlewomen, and especially the greatest AccessD advisor Mr. Drew Wutka! I wanted to report here that subject problem is on its way to be solved. Having got Drew's advice/hints I did some dirty registry hacking (what MS advises in KB wasn't enough - I needed to manually edit another dozen of registry entries) and voila' the W2K Server loads now and seems to work 80 percent correct... But there are still some annoyning problems, which I wanted to ask your advise here how to solve. Here is the first one - SQL Server Service doesn't want to start now: <<< And error 1069 - (The service did not start due to a logon failure) occured while performing this service operation on the MSSQLServer service) >>> and <<< A connection could not be estableshed to PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS Reason: SQL Server does not exists or access denied. ConnectionOpen (Connect())... Please verify SQL Server is running and check your SQL Server registration properties (by right-clicking on the PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS node) and try again. in the system event log I see for Service Control Manager: Logon attempt with current password failed with the following error: Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at this computer. The MSSQL$SQLSVRONPARIS service failed to start due to the following error: The service did not start due to a logon failure. >>> I probably should better reinstall SQL Server but maybe there exists a quickier solution? Another question - is it possible to make a kind of repair install for W2K Server ? - if this is possible where I can read about it? Reason: there are other messages, which are very cryptic for me to expect I find how to solve the problems behind them - these are the messages from different system logs: <<< NetLogon: Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed with the following error: No DNS servers configured for local system. >>> <<< MRxSmb: The redirector was unable to initialize security context or query context attributes. >>> <<< DHCPServer: The DHCP/BINL service has determined that it is not authorized to service clients on this network for the Windows domain: DAISY.local. >>> <<< NTDS: General, Global Catalog The attempt to communicate with global catalog \\paris.DAISY.local failed with the following status: Could not find the domain controller for this domain. The operation in progress might be unable to continue. The directory service will use the locator to try find an available global catalog server for the next operation that requires one. The record data is the status code. >>> <<< NTDS: General, Global Catalog Unable to establish connection with global catalog. >>> <<< UserEnv: Windows cannot determine the user or computer name. Return value (1908). >>> Despite all that error messages above W2K seems to work rather well and it has some rather stronmg self-repairing facilities... TIA for any help, Shamil P.S. This accident with my system was AFAIU because I installed the second harddrive with jumpers set incorrectly. Because of that during boot-up W2K Server used I: drive as its system drive but there was also C: drive present with W2K server operation system installed on it - so it (W2K) somehow managed to load in this configuration but on shutdown (or even during its working) it MODIFIED registry by writing absolute paths starting from I: for some services, data (including Active Directory) etc. .... And I thought I made full backup before I started my stupid games with hardware but I DIDN'T do backup of system information :( So the only solution was to continue my crazy games - now with registry)... It seems that it worked in general but there are still some problems as above... As in any accident there exists a positive experience - I've never had enough time to look that close on all existing Windows services, registry entries etc. - I think I'm now quite experienced in all that and in back-uping/restoring... ----- Original Message ----- Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Aug 15 23:30:25 CDT 2003 Thanks a lot, Drew, this is what I was looking for! I will read and play with it and will try to apply it! I should have asked my question here yesterday! Many thanks, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > Here ya go Shamil: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321 > > Tell your system engineers that it might help if they took a look at MS's KB > once in a while! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54 AM > To: AccessD > Subject: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > Hi All, > > Here is a tough one - at least the system engineers I know here can't answer > this question/help me: > > - as the result of my hardware upgrade and different (stupid) manipulations > I've got my system disk (W2K) getting I: as drive letter instead of C: > during booting (all the other five disks are OK - D:, E:, F:, G:, H:)... > > Funny? Yes - as the result when I try to logon after booting it accepts > password but then after some time instead of showing desktop icons etc. it > shows "Saving your settings" dialog and returns to Logon dialog... > > I've found that system disk gets I: drive letter instead of C: by connecting > to the problematic PC from another computer and by using Disk Management > system utility. I've also used Event viewer to see that W2K can't start > system programs and services because it expects C:\..... as system drive... > (It's interesting that it works at all... - this W2K is a good software....) > > MS probably never tested such a use case as I managed to create here!... > > Well, the question is how/and where can I set system drive letter back to > C:. I tried to find something in registry but failed. Is that written in a > system file? Which one? > > Of course I've backup and I can try to restore from it but maybe it's > quicker to replace just one(?) file where physical<->logical disk > correspondence is stored? (I've spent quite some time on all that - first > thought was that this is MSBLAST but I run MSBLAST fix and it didn't find > anything... ) > > Does anybody know how is this drive mapping system file called and is it > possible to solve my task by just overwriting this file? (of course I will > boot from another drive and use problematic drive as slave and use backup > copy to overwrite system file keeping drives mappings)... > > TIA for any info, tips and tricks, > I hope there are real NT gurus here, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat Aug 16 17:17:38 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:17:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... References: <002f01c363e9$cbe35930$b501010a@DAISY.local> Message-ID: <004101c36444$3432e410$0f0b6351@martin1> Hope some of this helps - See inline Martin he service did not start due to a logon failure) occured > while performing this service operation on the MSSQLServer service) http://www.techgroup21.com/subpage.asp?subnavID=114 > >>> > > and > > <<< > A connection could not be estableshed to PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS > > Reason: SQL Server does not exists or access denied. > ConnectionOpen (Connect())... > > Please verify SQL Server is running and check your SQL Server registration > properties (by right-clicking on the PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS node) and try > again. > > in the system event log I see for Service Control Manager: > > Logon attempt with current password failed with the following error: > Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at > this computer. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q259/7/33.asp&NoWebContent=1 > > The MSSQL$SQLSVRONPARIS service failed to start due to the following error: > The service did not start due to a logon failure. > >>> > > I probably should better reinstall SQL Server but maybe there exists a > quickier solution? > > Another question - is it possible to make a kind of repair install for W2K > Server ? - if this is possible where I can read about it? > > Reason: there are other messages, which are very cryptic for me to expect I > find how to solve the problems behind them - these are the messages from > different system logs: > > <<< > NetLogon: > Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed > with the following error: > No DNS servers configured for local system. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q259277 > >>> > <<< > MRxSmb: > The redirector was unable to initialize security context or query context > attributes. http://x220.minasi.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=293 > >>> > <<< > DHCPServer: > The DHCP/BINL service has determined that it is not authorized to service > clients on this network for the Windows domain: DAISY.local. http://www.jsiinc.com/SUBH/tip3900/rh3958.htm > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > > The attempt to communicate with global catalog \\paris.DAISY.local failed > with the following status: > Could not find the domain controller for this domain. > The operation in progress might be unable to continue. The directory > service will use the locator to try find an available global catalog server > for the next operation that requires one. > The record data is the status code. http://www.winforums.org/viewthread.php?tid=31 > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > Unable to establish connection with global catalog. > >>> > <<< > UserEnv: > Windows cannot determine the user or computer name. Return value (1908). > >>> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=329708 Martin > Despite all that error messages above W2K seems to work rather well and it > has some rather stronmg self-repairing facilities... > > TIA for any help, > Shamil > > P.S. This accident with my system was AFAIU because I installed the second > harddrive with jumpers set incorrectly. Because of that during boot-up W2K > Server used I: drive as its system drive but there was also C: drive present > with W2K server operation system installed on it - so it (W2K) somehow > managed to load in this configuration but on shutdown (or even during its > working) it MODIFIED registry by writing absolute paths starting from I: for > some services, data (including Active Directory) etc. .... > And I thought I made full backup before I started my stupid games with > hardware but I DIDN'T do backup of system information :( So the only > solution was to continue my crazy games - now with registry)... > It seems that it worked in general but there are still some problems as > above... > > As in any accident there exists a positive experience - I've never had > enough time to look that close on all existing Windows services, registry > entries etc. - I think I'm now quite experienced in all that and in > back-uping/restoring... > > ----- Original Message ----- > Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Fri Aug 15 23:30:25 CDT 2003 > > Thanks a lot, Drew, this is what I was looking for! > > I will read and play with it and will try to apply it! > > I should have asked my question here yesterday! > > Many thanks, > Shamil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > Here ya go Shamil: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321 > > > > Tell your system engineers that it might help if they took a look at MS's > KB > > once in a while! > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54 AM > > To: AccessD > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Here is a tough one - at least the system engineers I know here can't > answer > > this question/help me: > > > > - as the result of my hardware upgrade and different (stupid) > manipulations > > I've got my system disk (W2K) getting I: as drive letter instead of C: > > during booting (all the other five disks are OK - D:, E:, F:, G:, H:)... > > > > Funny? Yes - as the result when I try to logon after booting it accepts > > password but then after some time instead of showing desktop icons etc. it > > shows "Saving your settings" dialog and returns to Logon dialog... > > > > I've found that system disk gets I: drive letter instead of C: by > connecting > > to the problematic PC from another computer and by using Disk Management > > system utility. I've also used Event viewer to see that W2K can't start > > system programs and services because it expects C:\..... as system > drive... > > (It's interesting that it works at all... - this W2K is a good > software....) > > > > MS probably never tested such a use case as I managed to create here!... > > > > Well, the question is how/and where can I set system drive letter back to > > C:. I tried to find something in registry but failed. Is that written in a > > system file? Which one? > > > > Of course I've backup and I can try to restore from it but maybe it's > > quicker to replace just one(?) file where physical<->logical disk > > correspondence is stored? (I've spent quite some time on all that - first > > thought was that this is MSBLAST but I run MSBLAST fix and it didn't find > > anything... ) > > > > Does anybody know how is this drive mapping system file called and is it > > possible to solve my task by just overwriting this file? (of course I will > > boot from another drive and use problematic drive as slave and use backup > > copy to overwrite system file keeping drives mappings)... > > > > TIA for any info, tips and tricks, > > I hope there are real NT gurus here, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Aug 16 11:30:25 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:30:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... In-Reply-To: <002f01c363e9$cbe35930$b501010a@DAISY.local> Message-ID: Shamil, I would HIGHLY recommend a fresh install of Win2K / SQL Server and the rest. I am thinking that you may never the registry straightened out and may therefore have small crazy problems for the rest of the computer's life. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:30 AM To: AccesD - dba-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... Gentlemen & gentlewomen, and especially the greatest AccessD advisor Mr. Drew Wutka! I wanted to report here that subject problem is on its way to be solved. Having got Drew's advice/hints I did some dirty registry hacking (what MS advises in KB wasn't enough - I needed to manually edit another dozen of registry entries) and voila' the W2K Server loads now and seems to work 80 percent correct... But there are still some annoyning problems, which I wanted to ask your advise here how to solve. Here is the first one - SQL Server Service doesn't want to start now: <<< And error 1069 - (The service did not start due to a logon failure) occured while performing this service operation on the MSSQLServer service) >>> and <<< A connection could not be estableshed to PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS Reason: SQL Server does not exists or access denied. ConnectionOpen (Connect())... Please verify SQL Server is running and check your SQL Server registration properties (by right-clicking on the PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS node) and try again. in the system event log I see for Service Control Manager: Logon attempt with current password failed with the following error: Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at this computer. The MSSQL$SQLSVRONPARIS service failed to start due to the following error: The service did not start due to a logon failure. >>> I probably should better reinstall SQL Server but maybe there exists a quickier solution? Another question - is it possible to make a kind of repair install for W2K Server ? - if this is possible where I can read about it? Reason: there are other messages, which are very cryptic for me to expect I find how to solve the problems behind them - these are the messages from different system logs: <<< NetLogon: Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed with the following error: No DNS servers configured for local system. >>> <<< MRxSmb: The redirector was unable to initialize security context or query context attributes. >>> <<< DHCPServer: The DHCP/BINL service has determined that it is not authorized to service clients on this network for the Windows domain: DAISY.local. >>> <<< NTDS: General, Global Catalog The attempt to communicate with global catalog \\paris.DAISY.local failed with the following status: Could not find the domain controller for this domain. The operation in progress might be unable to continue. The directory service will use the locator to try find an available global catalog server for the next operation that requires one. The record data is the status code. >>> <<< NTDS: General, Global Catalog Unable to establish connection with global catalog. >>> <<< UserEnv: Windows cannot determine the user or computer name. Return value (1908). >>> Despite all that error messages above W2K seems to work rather well and it has some rather stronmg self-repairing facilities... TIA for any help, Shamil P.S. This accident with my system was AFAIU because I installed the second harddrive with jumpers set incorrectly. Because of that during boot-up W2K Server used I: drive as its system drive but there was also C: drive present with W2K server operation system installed on it - so it (W2K) somehow managed to load in this configuration but on shutdown (or even during its working) it MODIFIED registry by writing absolute paths starting from I: for some services, data (including Active Directory) etc. .... And I thought I made full backup before I started my stupid games with hardware but I DIDN'T do backup of system information :( So the only solution was to continue my crazy games - now with registry)... It seems that it worked in general but there are still some problems as above... As in any accident there exists a positive experience - I've never had enough time to look that close on all existing Windows services, registry entries etc. - I think I'm now quite experienced in all that and in back-uping/restoring... ----- Original Message ----- Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Aug 15 23:30:25 CDT 2003 Thanks a lot, Drew, this is what I was looking for! I will read and play with it and will try to apply it! I should have asked my question here yesterday! Many thanks, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > Here ya go Shamil: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321 > > Tell your system engineers that it might help if they took a look at MS's KB > once in a while! > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54 AM > To: AccessD > Subject: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > Hi All, > > Here is a tough one - at least the system engineers I know here can't answer > this question/help me: > > - as the result of my hardware upgrade and different (stupid) manipulations > I've got my system disk (W2K) getting I: as drive letter instead of C: > during booting (all the other five disks are OK - D:, E:, F:, G:, H:)... > > Funny? Yes - as the result when I try to logon after booting it accepts > password but then after some time instead of showing desktop icons etc. it > shows "Saving your settings" dialog and returns to Logon dialog... > > I've found that system disk gets I: drive letter instead of C: by connecting > to the problematic PC from another computer and by using Disk Management > system utility. I've also used Event viewer to see that W2K can't start > system programs and services because it expects C:\..... as system drive... > (It's interesting that it works at all... - this W2K is a good software....) > > MS probably never tested such a use case as I managed to create here!... > > Well, the question is how/and where can I set system drive letter back to > C:. I tried to find something in registry but failed. Is that written in a > system file? Which one? > > Of course I've backup and I can try to restore from it but maybe it's > quicker to replace just one(?) file where physical<->logical disk > correspondence is stored? (I've spent quite some time on all that - first > thought was that this is MSBLAST but I run MSBLAST fix and it didn't find > anything... ) > > Does anybody know how is this drive mapping system file called and is it > possible to solve my task by just overwriting this file? (of course I will > boot from another drive and use problematic drive as slave and use backup > copy to overwrite system file keeping drives mappings)... > > TIA for any info, tips and tricks, > I hope there are real NT gurus here, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Sun Aug 17 06:40:05 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:40:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here fromAccessD)... References: Message-ID: <000701c364b4$4fd732a0$b501010a@DAISY.local> John, Yes, I gave up - I spent two days hanging around it and tryng to find a workaround and I learned a lot of things about hardware jumpers, installation and backup and restore and the registry... It (W2K) starts but it takes ages before it allow me to work with it - I'd better reinstall it... I'm now planning my fresh install... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here fromAccessD)... > Shamil, > > I would HIGHLY recommend a fresh install of Win2K / SQL Server and the rest. > I am thinking that you may never the registry straightened out and may > therefore have small crazy problems for the rest of the computer's life. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:30 AM > To: AccesD - dba-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from > AccessD)... > > > Gentlemen & gentlewomen, > > and especially the greatest AccessD advisor Mr. Drew Wutka! > > I wanted to report here that subject problem is on its way to be solved. > Having got Drew's advice/hints I did some dirty registry hacking (what MS > advises in KB wasn't enough - I needed to manually edit another dozen of > registry entries) and voila' the W2K Server loads now and seems to work 80 > percent correct... > > But there are still some annoyning problems, which I wanted to ask your > advise here how to solve. > > Here is the first one - SQL Server Service doesn't want to start now: > > <<< > And error 1069 - (The service did not start due to a logon failure) occured > while performing this service operation on the MSSQLServer service) > >>> > > and > > <<< > A connection could not be estableshed to PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS > > Reason: SQL Server does not exists or access denied. > ConnectionOpen (Connect())... > > Please verify SQL Server is running and check your SQL Server registration > properties (by right-clicking on the PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS node) and try > again. > > in the system event log I see for Service Control Manager: > > Logon attempt with current password failed with the following error: > Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at > this computer. > > The MSSQL$SQLSVRONPARIS service failed to start due to the following error: > The service did not start due to a logon failure. > >>> > > I probably should better reinstall SQL Server but maybe there exists a > quickier solution? > > Another question - is it possible to make a kind of repair install for W2K > Server ? - if this is possible where I can read about it? > > Reason: there are other messages, which are very cryptic for me to expect I > find how to solve the problems behind them - these are the messages from > different system logs: > > <<< > NetLogon: > Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed > with the following error: > No DNS servers configured for local system. > >>> > <<< > MRxSmb: > The redirector was unable to initialize security context or query context > attributes. > >>> > <<< > DHCPServer: > The DHCP/BINL service has determined that it is not authorized to service > clients on this network for the Windows domain: DAISY.local. > >>> > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > > The attempt to communicate with global catalog \\paris.DAISY.local failed > with the following status: > Could not find the domain controller for this domain. > The operation in progress might be unable to continue. The directory > service will use the locator to try find an available global catalog server > for the next operation that requires one. > The record data is the status code. > >>> > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > Unable to establish connection with global catalog. > >>> > > <<< > UserEnv: > Windows cannot determine the user or computer name. Return value (1908). > >>> > > Despite all that error messages above W2K seems to work rather well and it > has some rather stronmg self-repairing facilities... > > TIA for any help, > Shamil > > P.S. This accident with my system was AFAIU because I installed the second > harddrive with jumpers set incorrectly. Because of that during boot-up W2K > Server used I: drive as its system drive but there was also C: drive present > with W2K server operation system installed on it - so it (W2K) somehow > managed to load in this configuration but on shutdown (or even during its > working) it MODIFIED registry by writing absolute paths starting from I: for > some services, data (including Active Directory) etc. .... > And I thought I made full backup before I started my stupid games with > hardware but I DIDN'T do backup of system information :( So the only > solution was to continue my crazy games - now with registry)... > It seems that it worked in general but there are still some problems as > above... > > As in any accident there exists a positive experience - I've never had > enough time to look that close on all existing Windows services, registry > entries etc. - I think I'm now quite experienced in all that and in > back-uping/restoring... > > ----- Original Message ----- > Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Fri Aug 15 23:30:25 CDT 2003 > > Thanks a lot, Drew, this is what I was looking for! > > I will read and play with it and will try to apply it! > > I should have asked my question here yesterday! > > Many thanks, > Shamil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > Here ya go Shamil: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321 > > > > Tell your system engineers that it might help if they took a look at MS's > KB > > once in a while! > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54 AM > > To: AccessD > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Here is a tough one - at least the system engineers I know here can't > answer > > this question/help me: > > > > - as the result of my hardware upgrade and different (stupid) > manipulations > > I've got my system disk (W2K) getting I: as drive letter instead of C: > > during booting (all the other five disks are OK - D:, E:, F:, G:, H:)... > > > > Funny? Yes - as the result when I try to logon after booting it accepts > > password but then after some time instead of showing desktop icons etc. it > > shows "Saving your settings" dialog and returns to Logon dialog... > > > > I've found that system disk gets I: drive letter instead of C: by > connecting > > to the problematic PC from another computer and by using Disk Management > > system utility. I've also used Event viewer to see that W2K can't start > > system programs and services because it expects C:\..... as system > drive... > > (It's interesting that it works at all... - this W2K is a good > software....) > > > > MS probably never tested such a use case as I managed to create here!... > > > > Well, the question is how/and where can I set system drive letter back to > > C:. I tried to find something in registry but failed. Is that written in a > > system file? Which one? > > > > Of course I've backup and I can try to restore from it but maybe it's > > quicker to replace just one(?) file where physical<->logical disk > > correspondence is stored? (I've spent quite some time on all that - first > > thought was that this is MSBLAST but I run MSBLAST fix and it didn't find > > anything... ) > > > > Does anybody know how is this drive mapping system file called and is it > > possible to solve my task by just overwriting this file? (of course I will > > boot from another drive and use problematic drive as slave and use backup > > copy to overwrite system file keeping drives mappings)... > > > > TIA for any info, tips and tricks, > > I hope there are real NT gurus here, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Aug 17 07:36:05 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:36:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c364bc$22009a80$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know the answer. Anyone? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 17 08:45:22 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:45:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall In-Reply-To: <002601c364bc$22009a80$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: Message-ID: <3F3F4EB2.22373.C2207@localhost> On 17 Aug 2003 at 13:36, Andy Lacey wrote: > Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched > from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just > switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know the answer. > Anyone? For starters it only monitors inbound traffic. Whereas Zone Alarm monitors in and out. It doesn't allow you to select apps can or can not access the 'net or come in from the net. Those two reasons are enough for me to never consider the built-in firewall anything more that marketingware. My $0.02 worth -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ From djkr at msn.com Sun Aug 17 09:21:36 2003 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:21:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall In-Reply-To: <3F3F4EB2.22373.C2207@localhost> Message-ID: <020901c364ca$de0d2280$db00a8c0@dabsight> Bryan is spot on, Andy. Trojans 'calling home' go straight through the XP firewall. John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan Carbonnell > Sent: 17 August 2003 14:45 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall > > > On 17 Aug 2003 at 13:36, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched > > from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just > > switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know the answer. > > Anyone? > > For starters it only monitors inbound traffic. Whereas Zone Alarm > monitors in and out. > > It doesn't allow you to select apps can or can not access the 'net or > come in from the net. > > Those two reasons are enough for me to never consider the built-in > firewall anything more that marketingware. > > My $0.02 worth > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend > will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Aug 17 13:49:21 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:49:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall In-Reply-To: <020901c364ca$de0d2280$db00a8c0@dabsight> Message-ID: <002b01c364f0$46197cf0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Many thanks Bryan and John. Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > DJK(John) Robinson > Sent: 17 August 2003 15:22 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall > > > Bryan is spot on, Andy. Trojans 'calling home' go straight > through the XP firewall. > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Bryan Carbonnell > > Sent: 17 August 2003 14:45 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall > > > > > > On 17 Aug 2003 at 13:36, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > > > Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched > > > from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just > > > switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know > the answer. > > > Anyone? > > > > For starters it only monitors inbound traffic. Whereas Zone Alarm > > monitors in and out. > > > > It doesn't allow you to select apps can or can not access > the 'net or > > come in from the net. > > > > Those two reasons are enough for me to never consider the built-in > > firewall anything more that marketingware. > > > > My $0.02 worth > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend > > will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 18 03:03:42 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:03:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449746@ALCUXB> Andy Personally (and it might just be me being paranoid) but if Microsoft ship it then everyone in the world has it, right? So all the hackers have it too and know how to hack it? That's enough reason for me not to consider using it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 17 August 2003 13:36 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know the answer. Anyone? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 18 06:04:21 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:04:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449750@ALCUXB> True, but they're not Microsoft and therefore aren't such a big target :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 18 August 2003 11:10 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall :-) I like the thought. But if you go down that route then can't the same be said of any major Firewall package? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall Date: 18/08/03 08:06 Andy Personally (and it might just be me being paranoid) but if Microsoft ship it then everyone in the world has it, right? So all the hackers have it too and know how to hack it? That's enough reason for me not to consider using it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [ mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk ] Sent: 17 August 2003 13:36 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Inbult Firewall Personally I use ZoneAlarm because I already did before I switched from W98 to WXP. But friends are asking me what's wrong with just switching on XP's inbuilt firewall (ICF). I don't know the answer. Anyone? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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I'm not asking so much for specific advice to follow as to what you cable modem users have done to educate yourselves in the arcana of sharing cable modems on a LAN. My w/s and my wife's w/s connect just fine. I've tried the standard things like taking everybody off-line and shutting down and unplugging the modem for 60 seconds...as well as connecting the modem directly to our sons' PC. No dice. I think I'm at the point where I need to think about re-installing Windows XP home on their confuser...however we upgraded from Windows ME to XP Home. I'd kinda like to go down to the bare metal and install XP Professional instead (my and my wife's workstations are Win 2000 Pro)...but I don't have an extra $130 or whatever it costs to purchase an XP-Pro upgrade. Maybe I'm just looking for a crying towel...it just seems to me like everything is hidden from view in Windows XP Home. There are so many layers "protecting" me, the poor, dumb user, from the intricacies of modern GoreNet communications. I just have never seen a nice book or even a web site that explains any of this stuff. Do any of you turn to a nifty web site that answers your trouble-shooting questions about networks and modems? Or do I need to attend one of those $1,500 classes to earn a certification in modern modem phrenology? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 18 06:50:05 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:50:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449756@ALCUXB> Steve Are the pc's networked? Cos I've got an idea that XP Home can't be networked... or at least that's what I heard somewhere. Could be wrong though. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 18 August 2003 12:53 To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Dear Group, Back in the day I knew quite a lot about Hayes modems. How to use +++ and all of the AT codes. Had 'em nailed. Now, of course, Hayes doesn't appear to make modems anymore, and I've got a cable modem. It's connected to our 3Com OfficeConnect hub so that our home network shares the modem. My problem is that I can't figure out why in tarnation our sons' PC can no longer connect to the GoreNet. There may be multiple problems here, but I've tried to narrow down all of the possibilities. I'm not asking so much for specific advice to follow as to what you cable modem users have done to educate yourselves in the arcana of sharing cable modems on a LAN. My w/s and my wife's w/s connect just fine. I've tried the standard things like taking everybody off-line and shutting down and unplugging the modem for 60 seconds...as well as connecting the modem directly to our sons' PC. No dice. I think I'm at the point where I need to think about re-installing Windows XP home on their confuser...however we upgraded from Windows ME to XP Home. I'd kinda like to go down to the bare metal and install XP Professional instead (my and my wife's workstations are Win 2000 Pro)...but I don't have an extra $130 or whatever it costs to purchase an XP-Pro upgrade. Maybe I'm just looking for a crying towel...it just seems to me like everything is hidden from view in Windows XP Home. There are so many layers "protecting" me, the poor, dumb user, from the intricacies of modern GoreNet communications. I just have never seen a nice book or even a web site that explains any of this stuff. Do any of you turn to a nifty web site that answers your trouble-shooting questions about networks and modems? Or do I need to attend one of those $1,500 classes to earn a certification in modern modem phrenology? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 18 06:57:39 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:57:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449756@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <3F414BD3.19380.48DEF@localhost> On 18 Aug 2003 at 12:50, Jon Tydda wrote: > Steve > > Are the pc's networked? Cos I've got an idea that XP Home can't be > networked... or at least that's what I heard somewhere. Could be wrong > though. > It can be networked , but only peer-peer. XP Home doesn't do domains. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 18 06:57:38 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:57:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449759@ALCUXB> Oh that's what they meant... I thought that'd be shooting themselves in the foot rather, what with everyone having broadband and home networks and the like. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: 18 August 2003 12:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems On 18 Aug 2003 at 12:50, Jon Tydda wrote: > Steve > > Are the pc's networked? Cos I've got an idea that XP Home can't be > networked... or at least that's what I heard somewhere. Could be wrong > though. > It can be networked , but only peer-peer. XP Home doesn't do domains. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 18 07:06:57 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F414E01.13920.D10F7@localhost> On 18 Aug 2003 at 6:52, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > Now, of course, Hayes doesn't appear to make modems anymore, and I've got > a cable modem. It's connected to our 3Com OfficeConnect hub so that our > home network shares the modem. > > My problem is that I can't figure out why in tarnation our sons' PC can no > longer connect to the GoreNet. There may be multiple problems here, but > I've tried to narrow down all of the possibilities. > > I'm not asking so much for specific advice to follow as to what you cable > modem users have done to educate yourselves in the arcana of sharing cable > modems on a LAN. My w/s and my wife's w/s connect just fine. I've tried > the standard things like taking everybody off-line and shutting down and > unplugging the modem for 60 seconds...as well as connecting the modem > directly to our sons' PC. No dice. You need to think about a cable modem on a hub more like a network connection than a traditional modem. Can you ping the othjer two machines from your son's. If not, you need to look at the basic network settings and make sure that it has a compatible network address and mask. If you can, then the first thing I would look at is the gateway configuration. Is the gateway the same on your son's PC as the others. If these don't help, post a bit more info. ie protocols, network addresses, masks and gateways defined for all t three PCs and the Cable modem. > I think I'm at the point where I need to think about re-installing Windows > XP home on their confuser...however we upgraded from Windows ME to XP Home. > I'd kinda like to go down to the bare metal and install XP Professional > instead (my and my wife's workstations are Win 2000 Pro)...but I don't have > an extra $130 or whatever it costs to purchase an XP-Pro upgrade. > Personally I'd install W2K on it instead. I've come across no end of problems with networking XP on mixed OS networks. > Maybe I'm just looking for a crying towel...it just seems to me like > everything is hidden from view in Windows XP Home. There are so many layers > "protecting" me, the poor, dumb user, from the intricacies of modern GoreNet > communications. > Absolutely correct. MS don't want you to use it on a network - they want you to pay extra for the Pro version. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 18 08:27:12 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:27:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449756@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <003901c3658d$6dd3b150$410cd018@W2k> Jon, >> Are the pc's networked? << Some quick details that I should have included in my original message: Novell NetWare 5.1 running on 533 Mhz file server. 10 MBit Ethernet cards in all PCs (666 MHz and 800 MHz Win 2000 Pro, 800 Mhz Win XP Home) 3Com OfficeConnect Ethernet Hub 8C (8 ports; one of them an uplink port for the modem; plus 1 BNC connector) The Win XP Home system sees the NetWare LAN all right. I've been able to access the server's drive to install new software. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Erbach Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:27 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Jon, >> Are the pc's networked? << Some quick details that I should have included in my original message: Novell NetWare 5.1 running on 533 Mhz file server. 10 MBit Ethernet cards in all PCs (666 MHz and 800 MHz Win 2000 Pro, 800 Mhz Win XP Home) 3Com OfficeConnect Ethernet Hub 8C (8 ports; one of them an uplink port for the modem; plus 1 BNC connector) The Win XP Home system sees the NetWare LAN all right. I've been able to access the server's drive to install new software. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 18 08:51:37 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:51:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <3F414E01.13920.D10F7@localhost> Message-ID: <004601c3658f$da4c2d60$410cd018@W2k> Stuart, >> Can you ping the othjer two machines from your son's. << Very good question. No, I can't. I get "Host not reachable" errors. When I try to ping my sons' w/s I get a timeout. I also see that that PC isn't visible in My Network Places. Hmmm. >> make sure that it has a compatible network address and mask. << >> If you can, then the first thing I would look at is the gateway configuration. Is the gateway the same on your son's PC as the others. << I'm not competent to answer that question. In my lurching about I've seen gateway references along with IP addresses. I'm not sure where to look for that info. As far as I can tell there are no specific gateways defined for any of the systems. >> Personally I'd install W2K on it instead. I've come across no end of problems with networking XP on mixed OS networks. << Are you talking about XP Home on those mixed OS networks? This w/s was upgraded from Win ME. It has a Fat32 filesystem. I'd kinda like to do an NTFS. I know that I can do that with Win 2000, but I'm looking for the most reasonable upgrade cost. I think I'm scrod either way. You've given me some extra places to look, at the very least. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Aug 18 08:58:41 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:58:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <004601c3658f$da4c2d60$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: In A2K, My Network Places, Properties, Local Area Connection, Properties - You can see the network adapter and all of it's services and protocols. You need to find that same or similar screen in XP Home. Once you have that, look for the protocols on that machine, as well as on one of the Win2K machines. In my case here at the house, I have 4 Win2K systems. All use ONLY TCP / IP. If I were to use a server that had (for example) TCP/IP AND some other protocol (IPX/SPX is typical for older networking software) then it would be possible for some computers to talk to others using IPX/SPX but not be able to see the WEB because they didn't have TCP/IP installed. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Stuart, >> Can you ping the othjer two machines from your son's. << Very good question. No, I can't. I get "Host not reachable" errors. When I try to ping my sons' w/s I get a timeout. I also see that that PC isn't visible in My Network Places. Hmmm. >> make sure that it has a compatible network address and mask. << >> If you can, then the first thing I would look at is the gateway configuration. Is the gateway the same on your son's PC as the others. << I'm not competent to answer that question. In my lurching about I've seen gateway references along with IP addresses. I'm not sure where to look for that info. As far as I can tell there are no specific gateways defined for any of the systems. >> Personally I'd install W2K on it instead. I've come across no end of problems with networking XP on mixed OS networks. << Are you talking about XP Home on those mixed OS networks? This w/s was upgraded from Win ME. It has a Fat32 filesystem. I'd kinda like to do an NTFS. I know that I can do that with Win 2000, but I'm looking for the most reasonable upgrade cost. I think I'm scrod either way. You've given me some extra places to look, at the very least. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 18 09:02:57 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:02:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: Message-ID: <005c01c36591$6ff8de70$410cd018@W2k> John, >> We can only hope the democrats run out of OPM soon. ;-) << OPM? Translation? >> There are many different protocols that can be used on a LAN, only one that can be used on the web - TCP/IP. You will need to make sure that this computer has TCP/IP installed and functioning. That's the first step. << I'll look into that along with Stuart's suggestions. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Aug 18 09:04:07 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:04:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <005c01c36591$6ff8de70$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: OPM - Other People's Money John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems John, >> We can only hope the democrats run out of OPM soon. ;-) << OPM? Translation? >> There are many different protocols that can be used on a LAN, only one that can be used on the web - TCP/IP. You will need to make sure that this computer has TCP/IP installed and functioning. That's the first step. << I'll look into that along with Stuart's suggestions. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 18 09:09:55 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:09:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44975C@ALCUXB> Steve You should be able to make the disk NTFS without formatting it through the computer management window, looking at the disk management bit Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 18 August 2003 14:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Stuart, >> Can you ping the othjer two machines from your son's. << Very good question. No, I can't. I get "Host not reachable" errors. When I try to ping my sons' w/s I get a timeout. I also see that that PC isn't visible in My Network Places. Hmmm. >> make sure that it has a compatible network address and mask. << >> If you can, then the first thing I would look at is the gateway configuration. Is the gateway the same on your son's PC as the others. << I'm not competent to answer that question. In my lurching about I've seen gateway references along with IP addresses. I'm not sure where to look for that info. As far as I can tell there are no specific gateways defined for any of the systems. >> Personally I'd install W2K on it instead. I've come across no end of problems with networking XP on mixed OS networks. << Are you talking about XP Home on those mixed OS networks? This w/s was upgraded from Win ME. It has a Fat32 filesystem. I'd kinda like to do an NTFS. I know that I can do that with Win 2000, but I'm looking for the most reasonable upgrade cost. I think I'm scrod either way. You've given me some extra places to look, at the very least. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 18 10:00:24 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] wxp + TS Client In-Reply-To: <003901c3658d$6dd3b150$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: After my devastating virus attack last week, I've been slowly piecing together my boxes. I need to install the Terminal Services client and then connect to a remote box. The noHelp gives instructions for w98 and nt4 but not a peep about how to do it in wxp. Can someone tell me how to configure it so I can hit a TS server that is remote? I have all the IP info etc. but cannot connect. You would think that right-clicking on Network Places/bla bla bla would work, but no. TIA. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 18 10:15:38 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:15:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Our Party's Memberships? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems OPM - Other People's Money John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems John, >> We can only hope the democrats run out of OPM soon. ;-) << OPM? Translation? >> There are many different protocols that can be used on a LAN, only one that can be used on the web - TCP/IP. You will need to make sure that this computer has TCP/IP installed and functioning. That's the first step. << I'll look into that along with Stuart's suggestions. Thanks. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From DBCfour at aol.com Mon Aug 18 12:15:04 2003 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:15:04 EDT Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: <103.346cafee.2c726398@aol.com> Here's one: http://www.helmig.com/ Donna In a message dated 8/18/2003 7:49:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, serbach at new.rr.com writes: > just have never seen a nice book or even a web site that explains any of > this stuff. Do any of you turn to a nifty web site that answers your > trouble-shooting questions about networks and modems? Or do I need to attend > one of those $1,500 classes to earn a certification in modern modem > phrenology? > > Steve Erbach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Aug 18 12:15:41 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:15:41 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... Message-ID: <002e01c365ac$5c426020$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, I'm rebuilding my PC here from scratch - so far so good - I need to know where MS Outlook Express keeps Accounts definitions and Mail Filters definition to extract that data from backup if possible... I did get imported AddressBook this way from .wab file... TIA for any help, Shamil From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Aug 18 12:48:43 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:48:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... Message-ID: Shamil, Have you tried here? This site 'may' address some of what you are looking for... http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/ Mark -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:16 PM To: dba - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... Hi All, I'm rebuilding my PC here from scratch - so far so good - I need to know where MS Outlook Express keeps Accounts definitions and Mail Filters definition to extract that data from backup if possible... I did get imported AddressBook this way from .wab file... TIA for any help, Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Aug 18 13:14:29 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:14:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... References: Message-ID: <001501c365b4$96df96a0$b501010a@PARIS> Thank you Mark! Yes, this looks like "what doctor ordered"! Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... > Shamil, > > Have you tried here? This site 'may' address some of what you are looking > for... > > http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/ > > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:16 PM > To: dba - Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Restoring Outlook Express Settings... > > > Hi All, > > I'm rebuilding my PC here from scratch - so far so good - I need to know > where MS Outlook Express keeps Accounts definitions and Mail Filters > definition to extract that data from backup if possible... > > I did get imported AddressBook this way from .wab file... > > TIA for any help, > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 18 14:43:50 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:43:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <103.346cafee.2c726398@aol.com> Message-ID: <005001c365c1$42321da0$410cd018@W2k> Donna, >> http://www.helmig.com/ << Thanks, Donna, quite useful. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 18 17:36:44 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:36:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <004601c3658f$da4c2d60$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F41E19C.26006.178DE1@localhost> On 18 Aug 2003 at 8:51, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > Stuart, > > >> Can you ping the othjer two machines from your son's. << > > Very good question. No, I can't. I get "Host not reachable" errors. When I > try to ping my sons' w/s I get a timeout. > > I also see that that PC isn't visible in My Network Places. Hmmm. > So the problem is mor fundamental that seeing the modem. Go to one of the other machines and check the name of the Workgroup you are using. (Control Panel - System - Network Identification.) On both of the W2K macxhines 1. Got to Control Panel - System - Network Identification and note the computer and Workgroup names. The computer nams should be different, the Workgroup nmae the same. 2. Go to Settings - Network and Dial Up Connections - Local Area Conenction and Click Properties Select Interent Protocol and click on properties Record the IP Address and Mask and Default Gateway They should have different addresses but with the first three groups probably the same. The masks should be the same and the Default Gateway should be the same. Now go to the XP machine. In roughly the same places (I don't have an XP Home here): change the Workgroup name if necessary Install Internet Protocol if necessary Set thte same mask anmd gateway and an appropriate IP address (leave the first three groups the same, make the fourth one another currently unused number in the range 1 - 254.) Then try pinging around again. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 18 17:39:55 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:39:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: References: <003901c3658d$6dd3b150$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F41E25B.5017.1A7523@localhost> On 18 Aug 2003 at 9:45, John Colby wrote: > >"Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > > >> Are the pc's networked? << > > Some quick details that I should have included in my original message: > > Novell NetWare 5.1 running on 533 Mhz file server. > 10 MBit Ethernet cards in all PCs (666 MHz and 800 MHz Win 2000 Pro, 800 > Mhz Win XP Home) > 3Com OfficeConnect Ethernet Hub 8C (8 ports; one of them an uplink port > for the modem; plus 1 BNC connector) > > The Win XP Home system sees the NetWare LAN all right. I've been able to > access the server's drive to install new software. > You didn't say that you had a netware server running :-( That connection will be using IPX/SPX. You will ned to instal IP as per my other message. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 18 21:02:13 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:02:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <003901c3658d$6dd3b150$410cd018@W2k> <3F41E25B.5017.1A7523@localhost> Message-ID: <004b01c365f6$dfbbe8a0$410cd018@W2k> Stuart, I appreciate your replies very much. >> You didn't say that you had a netware server running :-( >> That connection will be using IPX/SPX. You will ned to instal IP as per my other message. << Yup, IP is installed. I haven't tried your technique of actually assigning an IP address because all three systems obtain IP addresses automatically and obtain DNS server addresses automatically. The only difference in the IP properties on the XP machine vs. the 2k machines was in the Advanced settings, on the IP settings tab, the Interface metric was automatic in XP where it's equal to 1 on the 2k machines. The IPX/SPX and IP stuff has been working forever on the W2k machines and up until just recently on the XP Home machine. I set up the XP machine last summer on our Novell LAN with the cable modem. That's the problem. It's just stopped working. I see that there are additional things going on. For example, when I boot the system the Taskbar is inaccessible (can only get the hourglass when the cursor is moved down to the taskbar). The Task Manager shows SVCHOST.EXE Local Service 11% 21 MB of RAM and growing. When I check the Security and System logs on the XP machine I see that every second there are 9 event ID 528 events in the Security log. In the System log there are 9 or 10 pairs of events (Event ID 7035 and 7036) per second. If I end the SVCHOST.EXE Local Service then the task bar becomes accessible. When I check the Security and System logs again, there aren't any more of those 528, 7035, and 7036 events being generated. I subscribed to www.eventid.net to see if I could fill in the gaps in my knowledge about this stuff. We'll see. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 18 22:10:19 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:10:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <004b01c365f6$dfbbe8a0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4221BB.28880.1120685@localhost> On 18 Aug 2003 at 21:02, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > Manager shows SVCHOST.EXE Local Service 11% 21 MB of RAM and growing. When I > check the Security and System logs on the XP machine I see that every second > there are 9 event ID 528 events in the Security log. In the System log there > are 9 or 10 pairs of events (Event ID 7035 and 7036) per second. If I end > the SVCHOST.EXE Local Service then the task bar becomes accessible. When I > check the Security and System logs again, there aren't any more of those > 528, 7035, and 7036 events being generated. > I suspect you may have been hit by a worm. Is there a file called MSBLAST.EXE anywhere on the system? -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 19 07:13:36 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:13:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <3F4221BB.28880.1120685@localhost> Message-ID: <001201c3664b$929192a0$410cd018@W2k> Stuart, >> Is there a file called MSBLAST.EXE anywhere on the system? << This problem appeared about two weeks before Msblast appeared; that is, the PC had no Internet connection well before Msblast started distributing itself...but I'll check that, too. Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 10:21:15 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:21:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems In-Reply-To: <001201c3664b$929192a0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: I can ping localhost but I can't get there using http://localhost. This is winXP, IIS and SQL 2000. Any suggestions, good people? TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Aug 19 10:57:57 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:57:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Message-ID: Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems I can ping localhost but I can't get there using http://localhost. This is winXP, IIS and SQL 2000. Any suggestions, good people? TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 11:20:22 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:20:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No I can't. It goes into DS9 for a while then returns to the command prompt with no messages or anything else useful. So now what should I do? (Idea: forget about this computing stuff and buy a women's shoe store, like my original plan, before I thought programming was cool :-) Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems I can ping localhost but I can't get there using http://localhost. This is winXP, IIS and SQL 2000. Any suggestions, good people? TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 11:23:38 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:23:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly, and if it isn't, then what? A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 19 11:35:37 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:35:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems References: Message-ID: <002201c3666f$efff8810$410cd018@W2k> Arthur, >> More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly << I'll bet that there's an Application or System log entry in Computer Management. I subscribed to www.eventid.net to find out more about Windows event logs. Check this article out: http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2914499,00.html It persuaded me that the $15 might be well-spent. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Aug 19 11:53:52 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:53:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Message-ID: Arthur, What ARE you getting when hitting http://localhost? Here is a link to an IIS FAQ. See the third question down. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/iis/iis_faq.msp x Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly, and if it isn't, then what? A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Tue Aug 19 13:55:19 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:55:19 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus Alert!!! Message-ID: <005001c36683$79273f30$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, I've got alreay about 10 messages with this beast - be careful! Shamil P.S. http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_SOBIG.F In the wild: Yes Language: English Platform: Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP Encrypted: No Size of virus: ~72,295 Bytes Pattern file needed: 617 Scan engine needed: 6.100 Discovered: 9 hours, 46 minutes ago (Aug. 19, 2003 2:07:59 AM GMT -0800) Detection available: 9 hours, 46 minutes ago (Aug. 19, 2003 2:07:58 AM GMT -0800) -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the third question down. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/iis/iis_faq.msp x Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly, and if it isn't, then what? A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Aug 19 14:23:14 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:23:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Message-ID: ...add an "x" to the URL...it wrapped to the next line. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems >From that link I get you are not authorized to view this page. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, What ARE you getting when hitting http://localhost? Here is a link to an IIS FAQ. See the third question down. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/iis/iis_faq.msp x Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly, and if it isn't, then what? A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems Arthur, I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't starting properly? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 19 15:04:46 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:04:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 References: <20030818100944.04F122372FB@smithers.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <003901c3668d$24c55580$d90c6351@martin1> Appears Office 2003 is out of BEta and will be released soon. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 19 17:56:05 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:56:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... References: <002f01c363e9$cbe35930$b501010a@DAISY.local> Message-ID: <010b01c366a5$1276d300$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Wow. Lots to go through. I'm a few days behind on this list, I'm going to read the messages posted so far, and see what's left to be resolved. As for you compliments: Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "AccesD - dba-Tech" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed (moved here from AccessD)... > Gentlemen & gentlewomen, > > and especially the greatest AccessD advisor Mr. Drew Wutka! > > I wanted to report here that subject problem is on its way to be solved. > Having got Drew's advice/hints I did some dirty registry hacking (what MS > advises in KB wasn't enough - I needed to manually edit another dozen of > registry entries) and voila' the W2K Server loads now and seems to work 80 > percent correct... > > But there are still some annoyning problems, which I wanted to ask your > advise here how to solve. > > Here is the first one - SQL Server Service doesn't want to start now: > > <<< > And error 1069 - (The service did not start due to a logon failure) occured > while performing this service operation on the MSSQLServer service) > >>> > > and > > <<< > A connection could not be estableshed to PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS > > Reason: SQL Server does not exists or access denied. > ConnectionOpen (Connect())... > > Please verify SQL Server is running and check your SQL Server registration > properties (by right-clicking on the PARIS\SQLSVRONPARIS node) and try > again. > > in the system event log I see for Service Control Manager: > > Logon attempt with current password failed with the following error: > Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at > this computer. > > The MSSQL$SQLSVRONPARIS service failed to start due to the following error: > The service did not start due to a logon failure. > >>> > > I probably should better reinstall SQL Server but maybe there exists a > quickier solution? > > Another question - is it possible to make a kind of repair install for W2K > Server ? - if this is possible where I can read about it? > > Reason: there are other messages, which are very cryptic for me to expect I > find how to solve the problems behind them - these are the messages from > different system logs: > > <<< > NetLogon: > Dynamic registration or deregistration of one or more DNS records failed > with the following error: > No DNS servers configured for local system. > >>> > <<< > MRxSmb: > The redirector was unable to initialize security context or query context > attributes. > >>> > <<< > DHCPServer: > The DHCP/BINL service has determined that it is not authorized to service > clients on this network for the Windows domain: DAISY.local. > >>> > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > > The attempt to communicate with global catalog \\paris.DAISY.local failed > with the following status: > Could not find the domain controller for this domain. > The operation in progress might be unable to continue. The directory > service will use the locator to try find an available global catalog server > for the next operation that requires one. > The record data is the status code. > >>> > > <<< > NTDS: General, Global Catalog > Unable to establish connection with global catalog. > >>> > > <<< > UserEnv: > Windows cannot determine the user or computer name. Return value (1908). > >>> > > Despite all that error messages above W2K seems to work rather well and it > has some rather stronmg self-repairing facilities... > > TIA for any help, > Shamil > > P.S. This accident with my system was AFAIU because I installed the second > harddrive with jumpers set incorrectly. Because of that during boot-up W2K > Server used I: drive as its system drive but there was also C: drive present > with W2K server operation system installed on it - so it (W2K) somehow > managed to load in this configuration but on shutdown (or even during its > working) it MODIFIED registry by writing absolute paths starting from I: for > some services, data (including Active Directory) etc. .... > And I thought I made full backup before I started my stupid games with > hardware but I DIDN'T do backup of system information :( So the only > solution was to continue my crazy games - now with registry)... > It seems that it worked in general but there are still some problems as > above... > > As in any accident there exists a positive experience - I've never had > enough time to look that close on all existing Windows services, registry > entries etc. - I think I'm now quite experienced in all that and in > back-uping/restoring... > > ----- Original Message ----- > Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Fri Aug 15 23:30:25 CDT 2003 > > Thanks a lot, Drew, this is what I was looking for! > > I will read and play with it and will try to apply it! > > I should have asked my question here yesterday! > > Many thanks, > Shamil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:07 PM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > Here ya go Shamil: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321 > > > > Tell your system engineers that it might help if they took a look at MS's > KB > > once in a while! > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54 AM > > To: AccessD > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: W2K gurus your advice is needed... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Here is a tough one - at least the system engineers I know here can't > answer > > this question/help me: > > > > - as the result of my hardware upgrade and different (stupid) > manipulations > > I've got my system disk (W2K) getting I: as drive letter instead of C: > > during booting (all the other five disks are OK - D:, E:, F:, G:, H:)... > > > > Funny? Yes - as the result when I try to logon after booting it accepts > > password but then after some time instead of showing desktop icons etc. it > > shows "Saving your settings" dialog and returns to Logon dialog... > > > > I've found that system disk gets I: drive letter instead of C: by > connecting > > to the problematic PC from another computer and by using Disk Management > > system utility. I've also used Event viewer to see that W2K can't start > > system programs and services because it expects C:\..... as system > drive... > > (It's interesting that it works at all... - this W2K is a good > software....) > > > > MS probably never tested such a use case as I managed to create here!... > > > > Well, the question is how/and where can I set system drive letter back to > > C:. I tried to find something in registry but failed. Is that written in a > > system file? Which one? > > > > Of course I've backup and I can try to restore from it but maybe it's > > quicker to replace just one(?) file where physical<->logical disk > > correspondence is stored? (I've spent quite some time on all that - first > > thought was that this is MSBLAST but I run MSBLAST fix and it didn't find > > anything... ) > > > > Does anybody know how is this drive mapping system file called and is it > > possible to solve my task by just overwriting this file? (of course I will > > boot from another drive and use problematic drive as slave and use backup > > copy to overwrite system file keeping drives mappings)... > > > > TIA for any info, tips and tricks, > > I hope there are real NT gurus here, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 19 19:52:57 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:52:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Steve, you asked, so I'm gonna learn ya! Okay, first of all, to begin this course, we need to understand the ways of the Internet (or GoreNet as you put it.) Way back in the old days, you had modems that talked to each other. When they talked, the main protocol in use was the speed protocol, so the modems knew how fast to listen. However, the internet needed to be a LOT smarter then your typical BBS, and a LOT dumber at the same time. The primary concern of the Internet is to get the information from point A, to point B, with as little hassle as possible. Back in the BBS days, the issue was more about line noise, then routing, because most BBSers were directly calling their BBS, so the BBS knew exactly where to send the information. Thus, TCP/IP was put into effect. TCP/IP is the Internet Protocol layer. (Transfer Control Protocol/Internet Protocol). There's a lot of internal protocols involved, but there are two key processes you must understand. First, Information/Data is split up into packets. A packet is just like a package you send through the post office. It has a TO and FROM, and has something in it. However, when talking about internet communications (or TCP/IP network communications on a LAN), instead of a data file being one package, it is split up into a bunch of smaller packets. Each packet is received (or asked to be resent), and then reassembled on the other side. This makes for much smoother communication since if a packet gets lost in the shuffle, it is simply resent, instead of scratching the whole process. The next concept is the IP Address. The IP Address is a 4 byte number (32 bits), which is the Unique ID each computer has when using the internet. The IP Address is you phone number on the internet. An example would be 192.168.0.1 . The far left number is like the area code, and the far right number is the more specific. (ie, when a computer reads the IP Address, it looks at the 192 number, and then narrows it further with 168, then 0, then 1.). Now, the dumb part of the internet, is that it does really care what it's sending. It only looks at where the information is supposed to go. Okay, I am going to go through how a computer would pull up a website, step by step, and I'll explain, along the way, on what processes are involved. Okay, let's start with your computer turned off. To begin with, you will probably notice (if you look), that as long as the power is plugged into your computer, that your NIC lights are on (Network card). This is because a NIC's communicate on a very basic level (just like Modems did, where you might transfer a file with the XModem protocol, but the modems themselves are talking with 56k Flex). In todays world, NICs usually use the Ethernet protocol. (One older protocol was called Token Ring). The Ethernet protocol has it's own identification system, which uses your NIC's MAC Address. When you connect your NIC to a hub/switch/router, or even another NIC, they actually talk to each other using the MAC addresses. So let's say, for this example, that you have your machine plugged into an 8 port switch. While your machine is off (but there is still power), the 8 port switch has internally noted that port X (where you are plugged into), is MAC Address xyz (MAC addresses are pretty long....just using xyz for an example). Now, let's turn on your machine. While windows boots, and it creates it's network connections, it needs to assign the NIC an IP Address. There are two ways to do this. The first is to manually set the IP Address. (Thus the information would be stored in the registry.). The second and more common approach is to use DHCP. Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. The way DHCP works, is when the NIC needs an IP Address, it sends out a broadcast message asking for an IP Address. When it does this, it sends the message out it's Cat-5 cable, the 8 port switch gets the packet(s) and says, oh, this is a broadcast message, and it sends it out on every other port. This flies all over the LAN. (Packets are encoded with a TTL setting, (Time To Live) which tell switches and routers if it should keep sending it, or let it die....that prevents lost packets from bouncing around forever). Now don't panic, broadcast packets (like DHCP requests) do not pass through routers. Need a quick router explaination. A switch and a hub are just like a manifold in a fluid system. Fluid can come and go from and to many directions. A router is like a dual manifold, where you have two separate fluid systems that need to cross connect once in a while, but still maintain their separateness. A router will usually have several 'switch like ports', where you can plug several computers of the same LAN into, then one or more ports that go out to another network. These individual networks are called subnets. (Will explain a little more later.) So, a DHCP or another broadcast message will only go out across that machines 'subnet'....any routers on the subnet will only pass the packets along the inside ports. If there is a machine on the subnet that is listening for DHCP packets, it will respond, by returning data back to the requestor, which will include whatever settings the DHCP server has been setup with. There are TONS of settings, but here's the gist. First it will hand out an IP address (to the requesting computer), it gets this from it's list of available IP Addresses. You can have 'reserved' IP Addresses which are handed out based upon the machines MAC Address. (This allows the stability of a static IP Address with the flexibility of having a DHCP server), it also hands out DNS settings, Gateway and subnet settings (these will all be discussed), and it can go even further to hand out mail server settings, domain controller settings, etc. Now we have an IP Address. To make an IP Address work with TCP/IP, you need two other settings, which I already mentioned. Gateway, and Subnet. These are EXTREMELY important. Subnet, this is a term previously mentioned. The best way to describe a subnet, is to look at a city's zoning diagram. That's what a subnet is. It's a computer 'zone'. Here's how the subnet works. It looks like an IP address, but it is really a bit mask. If there is a 1, then the bits have to match, if there is a 0, then the bits don't have to match. For example, if your IP Address is 192.168.0.1, and your subnet is 255.255.255.0, then the computers on your subnet are 192.168.0.0 through 192.168.0.255. That is because 255 is a byte with all of the bits turned on, so the first three quads have to be an exact match. A 0 is a byte with all 0's, so the last number can be anything. However, if you have an IP Address of 192.168.0.1 and your subnet is 255.255.255.254, then only 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.1 are in your subnet. Same IP with a subnet of 255.255.255.252 allows for .0,.1,.2,.3 for the last quad. So, what gives with the subnet, so it's a grouping, how does it affect my network. TCP/IP is setup for two levels of communication, and this is where most 'tutorials' either get way to technical, or they completely gloss over this. You have local subnet communication, and then you have router communication. A subnet is built with switches and hubs. Hubs usually aren't smart. They get a packet, and send it to every port it has active. A switch actually directs 'traffic' a little better. It will build a NAT table (Network Address Translation). What a NAT table stores is information on where to direct specific IP Addresses. If the address is on the switch, it sends it right to that port, if it's not on that switch, it will send it to other switches, and will actually learn what address are on other switches, so in the future it can send it to the right switch. This is why initial communication on a switch may be a little sluggish, but once everything has been connected for a while, communication is very swift. A router is like a JOIN between to sets of NAT tables. This is where your Gateway setting comes into play. The Gateway is the Router on your subnet, that you want to use when you want to go somewhere that's not on your subnet. So, let's say you have an IP of 192.168.0.2, your gateway is 192.168.0.1, and your subnet is 255.255.255.252. You want to get to 192.168.0.3. The gateway is not bothered at all, because you know that 192.168.0.3 is on your subnet, and it's up to your switches and hubs to find the right machine. If you want to go to 192.168.0.100, then the packet is immediately sent to the gateway (192.168.0.1), since you know that 192.168.0.100 is not on your subnet. The packet the gateway(router) gets, says it's from 192.168.0.2, and is going to 192.168.0.100. The gateway/router then looks at it's NAT tables. (A router sits between two subnets, but it can have multiple routers on either end, to pass packets on even further) If the gateway/router sees 192.168.0.100 on it's other subnet, it passes the data to it, if not, it passes it to the other routers on that subnet. And the process continues. Okay, hope I haven't lost anyone yet. We are now running our OS, but before we go on, just a quick note. For all the above to happen, you have to have TCP/IP bound to a NIC. TCP/IP is one of many network protocols. There are other network protocols such as IPX/SPX and NETBEUI. These protocols can be used on a LAN, but only TCP/IP will work on the Internet. When you look at your network settings (through the control panel, you should see what protocols are bound to what. If you use a modem (dialup), you'll see the Dial-up Adapter. The Dial-up adapter acts like a virtual NIC, so that when you dial-up to the interent, DUN (Dialup networking) pretends it's a NIC, so that your OS, and all of your software don't have to worry about talking to a modem, they just 'think' the modem is a NIC. Anyways, make sure that each NIC/adapter has the TCP/IP protocol bound to it. Now we are going to try to connect to a web page. We have an IP address of 192.168.0.3, a gateway of 192.168.0.1, and a subnet of 255.255.255.0. (This is how Internet Connection Sharing sets things up....192.168.0.1 is the adapter which will communicate with the adapter that actually sees the internet, turning that machine into a virtual router.). Now, I'm sure someone may have already asked themselves, 'Hey Drew said you only need the subnet and Gateway settings...what about DNS?'. You do not need a DNS server to communication on the internet. DNS servers are the phone books of the internet. Switches, routers and hubs don't care about Yahoo.com, they care about 66.218.71.198. The DNS setting is only put there for us humans, who remember words better then numbers. So, we open up Internet Explorer, and type in Yahoo.com. Here's what happens. First, IE is going to resolve Yahoo.com to an IP Address (which is currently 66.218.71.198). It is then going to request information from that IP Address. So how does it request this. Okay, here we get a little more involved. Ever notice that you can hit a website, an FTP server, an email server, and all sorts of other communication dependant services off of the same machine? Well that is because TCP/IP has another layer to it, other then the IP Address. Yes, an IP Address will get you to the right machine, but that doesn't do anything, you need to deliver it to the right place on the machine. Thus you have TCP/IP ports. There are 64k ports, the first thousand or so are already 'predefined' for specific purposes. For example, web requests are 80 or 8080, SMTP (Simple Mail Transport Protocol (what you use to send mail)) is 25, POP3 (Post Office Protocol 3, what you use to get email) is 110, port 13 is designated as a Time Protocol port (the atomic clock servers listen to port 13 for time requests, etc. So, Internet Explorer just assumes you are asking for port 80, so it sends bunch of packets out to 66.218.71.198, from 192.168.0.3, going to port 80. Well, that's not on your subnet, so they get sent to the gateway. The gateway then does two things. First, it changes the return address to itself (not 192.168.0.1, but the IP Address it has on it's other subnet), and then internally marks it to be rerouted back to 192.168.0.3 when it comes back. And off your packets go, from router to router, until it finds 66.218.71.198. Those packets are then returned, and your TCP/IP stack then determines which is the best 'route' to take, in order to send your data (based on how many stops and how fast the packets returned). Then your packet is sent to the correct port on 66.218.71.198. Yahoo's web server gets the request on port 80, and says 'aha', you want a webpage, but you didn't ask for anything specific, so I'm going to hand you my default page. It then sends the data back to the ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) NIC (which has a valid Internet IP Address), which in turn routes them back to you, at 192.168.0.3. Whalla, you have now downloaded a web page, and you should understand the basic concepts used to do this. Now let's get into some of the more interesting twists. We know that we use a DNS server to resolve Yahoo.com, but how do we resolve MyComputerA or MyComputerB. Now we are talking about the bane of most home networkers. If there is not a DNS server, or WINS server on the local network (WINS is Windows Internet Naming Server, and it acts much like a DNS server, but it is only used on a local LAN, not the internet), then the computers on your network have to use computer browsing. Computer browsing is a very goofy system of trying to share the phonebook responsibility. Essentially, all the computer on a network hold an election (not kidding), and decide which computer is going to be the Master Browser. The master browser then keeps the official list of who is where and has what IP address. However, if the Master Browser is turned off, then another computer gets elected. Guess what, when the original Master Browser comes back up, it is going to fight the new one. As you can guess, this process is pretty hairy, and can result in the complete demise of your LAN! Most home networkers get around this by using host files, which are local files that tell each machine what the IP Addresses of the other machines on their networks are. Host files work, however, they are not dynamic. If a change is required, you're going to have to reboot. Something else that is frequently overlooked is the workgroup or DNS suffix. The DNS suffix is what is used when you query for a computer name, but not a domain. For example, yahoo.com is a domain. MyComputer is NOT a domain, it's a computer name, so when the DNS server querries for MyComputer, it is going to attach the default suffix to it. So if you have ComputerA with a default suffix of mshome.net, and ComputerB with sbc.com, what will happen when you try to ping ComputerB from ComputerA, is ComputerA will search for ComputerB.mshome.net, which doesn't exist. Now, if you look for ComputerB.sbc.com, then you'll find that, since you are specifying the DNS suffix. Trouble shooting steps. Your best friend is the ping utility. It is going to tell you lots of stuff. However, first, you need to know what your settings are. On 9x operatings systems, you go Start-->Run-->winipcfg and that will give you your IP Address info (Address, subnet, gateway, DNS servers, etc.). You will need to make sure you have the right Adapter selected though (because it will usually default to an internal adapter that you really won't care about.). Don't assume you have an IP Address correctly assigned either. IP addresses starting with 169 are usually card assigned, which means the NIC couldn't find a DHCP server, so it gave itself it's own IP Address. If you have the physical connections made correctly, yet you can't get a DHCP address for a particular computer, try manually setting the address, rebooting, then set it back to dynamic(DHCP) and reboot again. I have seen some 98 machines get a subnet of 255.255.0.0 for some reason, which is a subnet with 64k addresses. What happens is it tries to broadcast the DHCP request across that many addresses, (starting at the top), and it dies out (due to the TTL) before it hits the actual DHCP server. Setting the subnet manually to 255.255.255.0 will usually fix that. Not sure why it gets stuck like that. (It may be a setting on one of our switches). Once you have a valid IP Address from DHCP (or set manually), make sure you can ping local machines. That establishes your network connection is working. Then try to ping external Addresses. For example: C:\>ping yahoo.com should result in something like this: Pinging yahoo.com [66.218.71.198] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 66.218.71.198: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=243 Reply from 66.218.71.198: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=243 Reply from 66.218.71.198: bytes=32 time=111ms TTL=243 Reply from 66.218.71.198: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=243 Ping statistics for 66.218.71.198: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 111ms, Average = 95ms Notice that after 'Pinging yahoo.com', you get an IP Address in brackets. This tells you that the DNS server you have set your settings for is working. If it doesn't resolve the name, then you need to get your DNS settings corrected. Next, you get replies. Don't sweat it if the replies time out. Most sites block ping returns. Yahoo usually doesn't, so that's a good way to determine if you are getting through or not. Now, if you are running W2k or XP, pinging really just tells you if you are resolving through DNS, however, if you are using 9x, try a few pings, and see if you get sporadic returns. You're Winsock .dll's may be corrupt, you'll probably want to replace them. That's your Internet Tutorial from Drew! Personally, I recommend that if you have the money, invest in a small machine, put Windows 2000 server on it, and setup an actual Active Directory Domain, with WINS, DHCP, and DNS running on it. It will probably cost ya about $1500, or so (for the OS and machine....) but you'll have an instant plug in and go setup. I have this setup at home, I have drives automatically mapped when I log in, I can plug a computer into my network and they have immediate internet access, and I can access my network from that new machine too (with a login prompt). I can't tell you how nice it is to have a print server, because while I'm printing documents, the printserver is bogged down, not my desktop. Not too mention the ability to always be able to 'see' other machines on the network. My Dad has a slapshod home network with XP, 98, and W2k. He constantly has problems with sharing drives, connecting to the internet, etc. I get him fixed up, then he changes something, and it all goes in the can again! Hope everyone get's a good read from this! Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems > Dear Group, > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 19 20:10:34 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:10:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems References: Message-ID: <01b801c366b7$db96b040$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Just tossing this out into the fray. Do you have a default page setup? if so, does that page exist? That is a common reason for not authorized or page not founds. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems > >From that link I get you are not authorized to view this page. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, > Mark > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:54 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems > > > Arthur, > > What ARE you getting when hitting http://localhost? Here is a link to an > IIS FAQ. See the third question down. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/iis/iis_faq.msp > x > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems > > > More seriously, how would I verify that IIS is starting properly, and if it > isn't, then what? > > A. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:58 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LocalHost problems > > > Arthur, > > I'm no guru with IIS, but can you telnet localhost 80? Maybe IIS isn't > starting properly? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Aug 19 20:18:47 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:18:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2003 References: <20030818100944.04F122372FB@smithers.nildram.co.uk> <003901c3668d$24c55580$d90c6351@martin1> Message-ID: <3F42CC77.1030209@shaw.ca> Seattle Times says Oct 21 with no price change from Office XP http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2003/08/18/daily14.html?f=et80 Martin Reid wrote: > Appears Office 2003 is out of BEta and will be released soon. > > Martin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Aug 19 22:49:07 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:49:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: Drew said: > Okay, first of all, to begin this course, we need to understand the ways of > the Internet (or GoreNet as you put it.) > Hope everyone get's a good read from this! Well, I didn't follow *everything*, but enough to know this is a keeper for when I finally get the space to set up a server system. And I know how long all that must have taken to write, so want especially to say thanks! -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 20 01:03:14 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:03:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: Message-ID: <01ef01c366e0$be37c7e0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> You're quite welcome. I will admit to took 3 cigarettes to write! It was fun though, I always find that writing stuff out like that reaffirms the knowledge for myself. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems > Drew said: > > Okay, first of all, to begin this course, we need to understand the ways of > > the Internet (or GoreNet as you put it.) > > > > > Hope everyone get's a good read from this! > > Well, I didn't follow *everything*, but enough to know this is a keeper for when I finally get the space to set up a server system. And I know how long all that must have taken to write, so want especially to say thanks! > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 20 01:45:47 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:45:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: <01ef01c366e0$be37c7e0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <000101c366e6$b006e920$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is left Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's Firewall? If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and whether it's ok? Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Wed Aug 20 06:30:25 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:30:25 +0100 Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9AC5@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> A wonderful piece of work Drew, thank you! Could I just enlarge on subnets? Subnets (or subnetworks) are a way of subdividing a Local Area Network (LAN) into smaller "groups". Subnets are formed by "borrowing" some of the "host" part of the IP address. For example: Say you are using the private IP address 172.16.0.0 for your LAN. This would give you useable host addresses from 172.16.0.1 to 172.16.255.254 (you cannot use 172.16.0.0 as a host as this is the network number, and you cannot use 172.16.255.255 as this is the broadcast address). This give you 65023 hosts. If you "borrow" three bits from the host part of the address to form subnets you get the following binary address format: nnnnnnnn.nnnnnnnn.ssshhhhh.hhhhhhhh where "n" are "network number" bits, "s" are subnet number bits, and "h" are host number bits. The subnet mask is used to signify which (if any) bits are used for subnet addressing. In the above example, the default subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0 This shows that only the first 16 bits are used in the network address. If we "borrow" three bits for subnets the subnet mask will be 255.255.224.0, because 224 in binary is 11100000. Best regards! Chris Foote > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > Steve, you asked, so I'm gonna learn ya! > From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 07:53:53 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: Thanks for sharing that Drew. I love reading your explanations of how stuff works. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Wed Aug 20 08:28:44 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:28:44 +0100 Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9AC7@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> A wonderful piece of work Drew, thank you! Could I just enlarge on subnets? Subnets (or subnetworks) are a way of subdividing a Local Area Network (LAN) into smaller "groups". Subnets are formed by "borrowing" some of the "host" part of the IP address. For example: Say you are using the private IP address 172.16.0.0 for your LAN. This would give you useable host addresses from 172.16.0.1 to 172.16.255.254 (you cannot use 172.16.0.0 as a host as this is the network number, and you cannot use 172.16.255.255 as this is the broadcast address). This give you 65023 hosts. If you "borrow" three bits from the host part of the address to form subnets you get the following binary address format: nnnnnnnn.nnnnnnnn.ssshhhhh.hhhhhhhh where "n" are "network number" bits, "s" are subnet number bits, and "h" are host number bits. The subnet mask is used to signify which (if any) bits are used for subnet addressing. In the above example, the default subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0 This shows that only the first 16 bits are used in the network address. If we "borrow" three bits for subnets the subnet mask will be 255.255.224.0, because 224 in binary is 11100000. Best regards! Chris Foote > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > Steve, you asked, so I'm gonna learn ya! > From artful at rogers.com Wed Aug 20 08:42:05 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:42:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Terminal Services client on ME In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9AC7@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how to set up a TS client on Windows ME? TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Aug 20 08:46:48 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:46:48 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Message-ID: <001a01c36721$a0152d70$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting partition contents.... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Aug 20 08:47:32 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:32 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... Message-ID: <001b01c36721$a03845d0$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, I wanted to move IIS default c:\InetPub\ with all subdirectories to say d:\Inetpub. Reason: c: is Fat32 and so it can't be properly secured. There is a good article on managing IIS - http://www.15seconds.com/issue/970828.htm - but it doesn't seem to describe my case. Does anybody know how to do that moving? TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Wed Aug 20 08:57:29 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:57:29 +0100 Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9AC8@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Opps! Sorry! Only meant to send this once! Chris Foote > -----Original Message----- > From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:29 PM > To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) > > > A wonderful piece of work Drew, thank you! > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Wed Aug 20 09:04:04 2003 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:04:04 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... References: <001a01c36721$a0152d70$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <082601c36724$69466310$0200a8c0@S856> Shamil, I have used Partition Magic and I have alseo used some command in I think the Dos window. I was surprised how easy it was. Have to ask for details and let you know Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "dba - Tech" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... > Hi All, > > Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I > remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I > guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? > I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, > what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting > partition contents.... > > TIA, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 20 09:25:05 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:25:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449799@ALCUXB> Shamil, Power Quest Partition Magic is the way forward! Version 6 onward will do that for you, earlier ones might but I've not used them so not sure. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] Sent: 20 August 2003 14:47 To: dba - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Hi All, Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting partition contents.... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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I've used NF since it first came out and am now using Norton Internet Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I can try to make it more clear. BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you update your NF to version 2.55 or higher. John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is left > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's Firewall? > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and whether > it's ok? > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 20 10:15:17 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:15:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497A3@ALCUXB> ooh, have you read www.theregister.co.uk 's opinion of Steve Gibson? He doesn't come out of it too well! Don't think they think very highly of him at all... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 August 2003 16:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Hi Andy, You can add or remove open ports from Norton Firewall (NF). My port 1025 is not open. I checked with ShieldsUp and Leaktest and everything is secure. To check it out, open NF and go to options there should be a list of which ports are open. The way to do this is different in every version so I can't help you beyond that. I've used NF since it first came out and am now using Norton Internet Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I can try to make it more clear. BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you update your NF to version 2.55 or higher. John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is left > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's Firewall? > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and whether > it's ok? > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 20 11:07:00 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:07:00 -0500 Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) References: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9AC5@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <022c01c36735$16c20ed0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Expand away! Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foote, Chris" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: Subnets (was: [dba-Tech] Modems) > A wonderful piece of work Drew, thank you! > > Could I just enlarge on subnets? > > Subnets (or subnetworks) are a way of subdividing a Local Area Network (LAN) > into smaller "groups". Subnets are formed by "borrowing" some of the "host" > part of the IP address. > > For example: > > Say you are using the private IP address 172.16.0.0 for your LAN. This would > give you useable host addresses from 172.16.0.1 to 172.16.255.254 (you > cannot use 172.16.0.0 as a host as this is the network number, and you > cannot use 172.16.255.255 as this is the broadcast address). This give you > 65023 hosts. > > If you "borrow" three bits from the host part of the address to form subnets > you get the following binary address format: > > nnnnnnnn.nnnnnnnn.ssshhhhh.hhhhhhhh > > where "n" are "network number" bits, "s" are subnet number bits, and "h" are > host number bits. > > The subnet mask is used to signify which (if any) bits are used for subnet > addressing. > > In the above example, the default subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0 > This shows that only the first 16 bits are used in the network address. > > If we "borrow" three bits for subnets the subnet mask will be 255.255.224.0, > because 224 in binary is 11100000. > > > Best regards! > Chris Foote > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:53 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > > > > Steve, you asked, so I'm gonna learn ya! > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 20 11:08:18 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:08:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... References: <001b01c36721$a03845d0$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <023a01c36735$452adb30$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Copy the directories. Go into the IIS setup, and select the Home Directory tab in the properties for your default site. In there, change the path to the new location. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "dba - Tech" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > Hi All, > > I wanted to move IIS default c:\InetPub\ with all subdirectories to say > d:\Inetpub. > Reason: c: is Fat32 and so it can't be properly secured. > > There is a good article on managing IIS - > http://www.15seconds.com/issue/970828.htm - but it doesn't seem to describe > my case. Does anybody know how to do that moving? > > TIA, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Aug 20 11:43:01 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:43:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497A3@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallHaving gone to the page and read some of the responses, it certainly sounds like an uneducated piece started the whole thing. Steve Gibson is a nut. Kinda. but a VERY technically astute nut. Last I read (from his own web page) he does ALL of his programming in assembler. That qualifies as a nut in my book. He was the god of DISK stuff way back in 1991 when I was doing testing for Stacker data compression. The most knowledgeable person around on disks, their problems, how to rescue them, etc. It appears he has moved on to internet related stuff. I very much admire the guy. He may be a nut, but he's a smart nut, who knows of what he speaks. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall ooh, have you read www.theregister.co.uk 's opinion of Steve Gibson? He doesn't come out of it too well! Don't think they think very highly of him at all... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 August 2003 16:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Hi Andy, You can add or remove open ports from Norton Firewall (NF). My port 1025 is not open. I checked with ShieldsUp and Leaktest and everything is secure. To check it out, open NF and go to options there should be a list of which ports are open. The way to do this is different in every version so I can't help you beyond that. I've used NF since it first came out and am now using Norton Internet Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I can try to make it more clear. BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you update your NF to version 2.55 or higher. John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is left > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's Firewall? > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and whether > it's ok? > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 20 11:48:36 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:48:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3673a$e6681210$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Thanks John I'll pass that on. I may come back to you if that's ok. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > Sent: 20 August 2003 16:01 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > Hi Andy, > You can add or remove open ports from Norton Firewall (NF). > My port 1025 is not open. I checked with ShieldsUp and > Leaktest and everything is secure. > > To check it out, open NF and go to options there should be a > list of which ports are open. The way to do this is different > in every version so I can't help you beyond that. I've used > NF since it first came out and am now using Norton Internet > Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I can > try to make it more clear. > > BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you > update your NF to version 2.55 or higher. > > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port > 1025 is left > > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use > Norton's Firewall? > > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, > and whether > > it's ok? > > > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Wed Aug 20 12:53:00 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:53:00 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... Message-ID: <002d01c36744$03c14260$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, I wanted to move IIS default c:\InetPub\ with all subdirectories to say d:\Inetpub. Reason: c: is Fat32 and so it can't be properly secured. There is a good article on managing IIS - http://www.15seconds.com/issue/970828.htm - but it doesn't seem to describe my case. Does anybody know how to do that moving? TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Wed Aug 20 12:53:44 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:53:44 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Message-ID: <002e01c36744$03e60870$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting partition contents.... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 20 12:53:34 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallMy take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! I think it boils down to one of two possibilities 1) just a nasty tactic some companies use to push their own products 2) some people overreact to name brands - every company has a dog product - that doesn't qualify the whole lot a bad! JMO John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Having gone to the page and read some of the responses, it certainly sounds like an uneducated piece started the whole thing. Steve Gibson is a nut. Kinda. but a VERY technically astute nut. Last I read (from his own web page) he does ALL of his programming in assembler. That qualifies as a nut in my book. He was the god of DISK stuff way back in 1991 when I was doing testing for Stacker data compression. The most knowledgeable person around on disks, their problems, how to rescue them, etc. It appears he has moved on to internet related stuff. I very much admire the guy. He may be a nut, but he's a smart nut, who knows of what he speaks. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall ooh, have you read www.theregister.co.uk 's opinion of Steve Gibson? He doesn't come out of it too well! Don't think they think very highly of him at all... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 August 2003 16:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Hi Andy, You can add or remove open ports from Norton Firewall (NF). My port 1025 is not open. I checked with ShieldsUp and Leaktest and everything is secure. To check it out, open NF and go to options there should be a list of which ports are open. The way to do this is different in every version so I can't help you beyond that. I've used NF since it first came out and am now using Norton Internet Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I can try to make it more clear. BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you update your NF to version 2.55 or higher. John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is left > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's Firewall? > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and whether > it's ok? > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 13:40:53 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: I used to love the column Steve Gibson wrote for InfoWorld Magazine years ago. It was about the only reason I bothered with the magazine at the time. Certainly a smart guy. I have seen a few places on the web where he's been bashed - for stating an opinion as a fact or something to that effect. Not a reason to ignore everything he ever says or does as wrong from that point onward in my book. As with anything, cross check and confirm with several sources if you can. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "John Bartow" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:34 -0500 > >RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallMy take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much >of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. > >On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch >of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had >a >bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! > >I think it boils down to one of two possibilities 1) just a nasty tactic >some companies use to push their own products 2) some people overreact to >name brands - every company has a dog product - that doesn't qualify the >whole lot a bad! > >JMO > >John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > Having gone to the page and read some of the responses, it certainly >sounds like an uneducated piece started the whole thing. > > Steve Gibson is a nut. Kinda. but a VERY technically astute nut. > > Last I read (from his own web page) he does ALL of his programming in >assembler. That qualifies as a nut in my book. > > He was the god of DISK stuff way back in 1991 when I was doing testing >for >Stacker data compression. The most knowledgeable person around on disks, >their problems, how to rescue them, etc. > > It appears he has moved on to internet related stuff. > > I very much admire the guy. He may be a nut, but he's a smart nut, who >knows of what he speaks. > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:15 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > ooh, have you read www.theregister.co.uk 's opinion of Steve Gibson? >He >doesn't come out of it too well! Don't think they think very highly of him >at all... > > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 20 August 2003 16:01 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > > Hi Andy, > You can add or remove open ports from Norton Firewall (NF). My port >1025 >is > not open. I checked with ShieldsUp and Leaktest and everything is >secure. > > To check it out, open NF and go to options there should be a list of >which > ports are open. The way to do this is different in every version so I >can't > help you beyond that. I've used NF since it first came out and am now >using > Norton Internet Security 2003, so if that's the version you're using I >can > try to make it more clear. > > BTW: Steve Gibson (ShieldsUp author) does recommend you update your NF >to > version 2.55 or higher. > > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy >Lacey > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:46 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > > > > A client advises me that when using Norton Firewall port 1025 is >left > > Open. ShieldsUp confirms that. Does anyone else use Norton's >Firewall? > > If so do you get the same result? Can anyone explain why, and >whether > > it's ok? > > > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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Erbach) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:52:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k> <013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <005b01c36755$7f1ffdf0$410cd018@W2k> Drew, I am impressed and humbled by your effort to educate me. Thank you. I have not had time to apply your analysis to my sons' PC yet, though I've underlined pertinent passages; like, "IP addresses starting with 169 are usually card assigned, which means the NIC couldn't find a DHCP server." I will definitely use that as a starting point. In the end I will figure this out. It just seems as though the amount of knowledge required grows with each new problem...sort of like how auto engines have become so complex that one cannot fix them without diagnostic computers...and if the computer can't find the problem you're scrod. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 20 15:06:37 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k><013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <005b01c36755$7f1ffdf0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <027a01c36756$9024b900$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Yes, networking can get more complex, but the basics are going to remain relatively constant (eventually we will move to a 5 byte IP Address, but I don't see that anytime soon.). My biggest problem is 'user friendly' OSes. I know Macs are good for something (and when I figure that out, I'll let you know ), but they are a shining example as to a system you DON'T want to troubleshoot. We had a fella bring a Mac laptop in, and we had to get it access to parts of our network. While goofing around with his amazingly well hidden settings, I asked him where the ping utility was, and he said that was an 'extra' module he never installed. ARG!!! Anyhow, glad to help, holler if you need more details on anything. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > Drew, > > I am impressed and humbled by your effort to educate me. Thank you. I have > not had time to apply your analysis to my sons' PC yet, though I've > underlined pertinent passages; like, "IP addresses starting with 169 are > usually card assigned, which means the NIC couldn't find a DHCP server." I > will definitely use that as a starting point. > > In the end I will figure this out. It just seems as though the amount of > knowledge required grows with each new problem...sort of like how auto > engines have become so complex that one cannot fix them without diagnostic > computers...and if the computer can't find the problem you're scrod. > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Wed Aug 20 15:22:23 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:22:23 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] CloseCollection g_ccolCollection.Open(collectionname) dwError : 7 Message-ID: <003301c36758$c988e200$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, I wanted to share my findings I'm getting from my "fight" with MS software installation features - the incredibly criptic subject error message HAS solution! This may happen with eveybody when installing/reinstalling MSDN - solution is described here: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspxscid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q198/9/28.asp&NoWebContent=1 Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From artful at rogers.com Wed Aug 20 15:42:16 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:42:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallJust a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 20 17:53:37 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:53:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k> <013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <005b01c36755$7f1ffdf0$410cd018@W2k> <027a01c36756$9024b900$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <002401c3676d$e5ff35f0$410cd018@W2k> Drew, My experience with Macs ended in 1990. I haven't hardly even sniffed a Mac since then. >> holler if you need more details on anything << First, an acronym check: what does MAC stand for, as in MAC address? Second, in your discussion about DHCP I gathered that when a w/s makes a DHCP request, the DHCP server may not actually be on that LAN, correct? We have a Novell NetWare 5.1 LAN and I see that the DHCP server NLM isn't loaded on the server. Thus the cable modem routes the request to the cable company's DHCP server, yes? I've been examining the configuration of an old Windows 98 SE 133 MHz Pentium system that I have set up right next to my main Windows 2000 Pro w/s. This Win98 w/s logs into our NetWare LAN just fine, but the IP address is one of those 169 jobbies--which I used Gibson's IPAgent to determine. Winipcfg shows me the subnet mask (255.255.0.0, just as you said) but I don't see a way to change it with that tool. If I look at the TCP/IP protocol settings in the control panel, it's set to acquire an IP address automagically and DNS is disabled. If I set the IP address, to what should I set it? When I ping my Win2k w/s from the Win98 w/s I get the same error I got when I tried pinging from my sons' WinXP Home system: Host not reachable. When I try to ping the Win98 system from my Win2k w/s I get a timeout. I can't quite discern what this means when I refer to your IP essay, though. Any ideas? Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 20 18:18:21 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:18:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallI highly recommend (fairly exclusively) HP printers to my business clients. I have only had one or two problems with HP printers in my entire life so... Other brands haven't faired so well in my experience but I do keep an open mind on them. I have a Brother MFC in my home office. It was really great for about a year and now it just stinks. I have a client who's had a HP MFC for almost 5 years and its still works great. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. 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Other brands haven't faired so well in my experience but I do keep an open mind on them. I have a Brother MFC in my home office. It was really great for about a year and now it just stinks. I have a client who's had a HP MFC for almost 5 years and its still works great. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? > I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, > what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting > partition contents.... > > TIA, > Shamil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Aug 20 15:17:09 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:17:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... References: <001b01c36721$a03845d0$b501010a@PARIS> <023a01c36735$452adb30$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <003401c36758$c9d3cdb0$b501010a@PARIS> Thanks, Drew, That's is so easy? Did you try it? And of course I should stop IIS services before I will do that? Shamil P.S. Sorry for my duplicate posting... - I've got one message rejected because I used wrong sender's address... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > Copy the directories. Go into the IIS setup, and select the Home Directory > tab in the properties for your default site. In there, change the path to > the new location. > > Drew > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > To: "dba - Tech" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:47 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I wanted to move IIS default c:\InetPub\ with all subdirectories to say > > d:\Inetpub. > > Reason: c: is Fat32 and so it can't be properly secured. > > > > There is a good article on managing IIS - > > http://www.15seconds.com/issue/970828.htm - but it doesn't seem to > describe > > my case. Does anybody know how to do that moving? > > > > TIA, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Aug 20 15:19:00 2003 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:19:00 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449799@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <003501c36758$c9e30ff0$b501010a@PARIS> RE: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS...Thanks Jon and Lembit, And without Partition Magic - no way? TIA for additional info, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Shamil, Power Quest Partition Magic is the way forward! Version 6 onward will do that for you, earlier ones might but I've not used them so not sure. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] Sent: 20 August 2003 14:47 To: dba - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting system FAT32 partition to NTFS... Hi All, Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting partition contents.... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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Hi Shamil, Try here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/proddocs/standard/convert.asp Converts file allocation table (FAT) and FAT32 volumes to the NTFS file system, leaving existing files and folder intact. Volumes converted to the NTFS file system cannot be converted back to FAT or FAT32. Donna In a message dated 8/20/2003 2:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru writes: Hi All, Subj should be easy(?) to do but this isn't my area of expertise - I remember I did convert partitions to NTFS under W2K in its Disk Manager. I guess system partition can't be converted so easily, can it be? I've W2K dieskettes and can boot from them - is that the way to go? If yes, what commands should I use to do conversion of course without deleting partition contents.... 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I stand by my original recommendation of sygate personal firewall.... -Francisco http://rcm.netfirms.com/ From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Thu Aug 21 02:39:24 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:39:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9ACD@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Excuse me butting in here please Drew! Comments in-line. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:54 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > Drew, > > My experience with Macs ended in 1990. I haven't hardly even > sniffed a Mac > since then. > > >> holler if you need more details on anything << > > First, an acronym check: what does MAC stand for, as in MAC address? MAC stands for Media Access Control. It is a globally unique address "burnt-in" to your computer's NIC (Network Address Card). It is effectively the "hardware address". It comprises of 48-bits. The address is usually expressed as six hexadecimal octets separated by dashes. For example: 00-00-0C-EC-B7-93 The first half of the address is used to identify the manufacturer of the NIC, and the second half is a sequential number issued by the NIC manufacturer. In the example above "00-00-0C" indicates Cisco. > Second, in your discussion about DHCP I gathered that when a > w/s makes a > DHCP request, the DHCP server may not actually be on that > LAN, correct? We > have a Novell NetWare 5.1 LAN and I see that the DHCP server NLM isn't > loaded on the server. Thus the cable modem routes the request > to the cable > company's DHCP server, yes? Urm. Not sure about this! AFAIK for DHCP to work the DHCP server _must_ be on the same network (LAN) as the workstation requesting the IP address. Do not confuse this with what happens when you connect to the internet via an ISP. The machines in your LAN have one set of IP addresses, but to the internet you will have a different address. For example. In my BAN (Bedroom Area Network) my PCs and printer server have static IP addresses in the range 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.20, but when I connect to my dial-up ISP the machine CONNECTING TO THE INTERNET will have an address in the 212.69.201.xxx series. I'm not a Novell person. Sorry. > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 21 03:11:19 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:11:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497AF@ALCUXB> Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 21 06:43:11 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:43:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9ACD@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <022f01c367d9$68b62ec0$410cd018@W2k> Chris, >> For example: 00-00-0C-EC-B7-93 << Yeah, I've seen those but I didn't remember ever having seen an explanation of the acronym. Thanks. >> Urm. Not sure about this! AFAIK for DHCP to work the DHCP server _must_ be on the same network (LAN) as the workstation requesting the IP address. Do not confuse this with what happens when you connect to the internet via an ISP. << I'll try not to! My question came about since the cable ISP changes our IP addresses ever once in a while, when the "lease" on that temporary address "expires", I gather. Our Novell LAN uses the old standby IPX/SPX protocol and I never had to worry about IP addresses before. Now that my sons' PC has stopped communicating with the GoreNet I see parallels in their setup with the Win98 PC I use for older application support. All I know is, if I shut down all the PCs on our LAN and shut off the Novell file server and unplug the cable modem, and then plug the modem back in and start up the file server, if the first PCs I turn on are my old Win98 w/s and/or my Win95 laptop, they can both browse the web...but my sons' PC could not (WinXP Home) nor could my wife's w/s (Win 2000 Pro). My w/s could connect as usual. Now, this was all true some months ago. My problems with my sons' w/s started about 3 weeks ago where it couldn't log into the GoreNet. Unplugging the modem doesn't allow my sons' PC to connect any longer. >> For example. In my BAN (Bedroom Area Network) my PCs and printer server have static IP addresses in the range 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.20, but when I connect to my dial-up ISP the machine CONNECTING TO THE INTERNET will have an address in the 212.69.201.xxx series. << All of my PCs are set to fetch an IP address automatically; that is, there are no fixed IP addresses on my LAN, though I'm not sure, now, about the server. Thanks for the extra info. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 21 06:48:39 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:48:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: Message-ID: <024701c367da$2d48e7f0$410cd018@W2k> Arthur, >> Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. << I can only say that about my HP 19B calculator since I haven't owned any HP hardware for that long; that is, I've sold or traded in older model printers for newer over the years. LaserJet IIP, LaserJet IID, DeskJet 890C, and LaserJet 4050T. I bought the IIP in '89 I think. I will say that the two HP Surestore 20e tape drives I bought gave me grief. They worked for about a year each and then died. No possibility of repair. Kinda soured me on tape drives in general. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 21 10:27:06 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:27:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497AF@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallI only stand by the HP "printer" recommendations. HP the company (even before they aquired Compaq) has numerous divisions that could probably stand alone as seperate companies. Their Printing and imaging division is of the highest quality. I used to recommend their (low to mid range) scanners until about 1999/2000 when I concluded that they were resting on their laurels and Epson and some others had passed them by by in both pricing and quality. Servers, PCs, CD drives, tape drives, etc. are products from other divisions. I put no more stock in them than any other companies products. Basically, these days, I look at PCs as being no better than their tech support. Same junk assembled in a different location with different label slapped on it :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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But for Gas Chromatography, HP Agilent are the best in the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) I only stand by the HP "printer" recommendations. HP the company (even before they aquired Compaq) has numerous divisions that could probably stand alone as seperate companies. Their Printing and imaging division is of the highest quality. I used to recommend their (low to mid range) scanners until about 1999/2000 when I concluded that they were resting on their laurels and Epson and some others had passed them by by in both pricing and quality. Servers, PCs, CD drives, tape drives, etc. are products from other divisions. I put no more stock in them than any other companies products. Basically, these days, I look at PCs as being no better than their tech support. Same junk assembled in a different location with different label slapped on it :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 21 11:24:02 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:24:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497DD@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallJon, I have a Compaq EVO W4000, PIV 2.4 GHz w/524 RAM and SCSI architecture running W2KPro. Works quite well :o) I also have a Dell PowerEdge Server that works quite well too. My Sony VAIO laptop has also been quite nice. Eclectic or what? :o) John B. BTW thanks, I'll make a note of that if I run into a Gas Chromatologist :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) We've had lots of Dell's here and we've recently moved over to HP/Compaq boxes for some reason (I had no say in this...). The Dell's are better supported on the net, you can look up your individual pc by using the service tag on it, rather than trying to work out which version of a Deskpro it is (I still don't know exactly which model of pc we have 6 copies of). The drivers etc are there ready to be downloaded with no problems. Also, for some reason my Dell 1.4Ghz P4 with 256 MB RAM seems to out perform the new Compaqs we've got, which are 2.53 P4 with 256 RAM... that's just not right. But for Gas Chromatography, HP Agilent are the best in the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) I only stand by the HP "printer" recommendations. HP the company (even before they aquired Compaq) has numerous divisions that could probably stand alone as seperate companies. Their Printing and imaging division is of the highest quality. I used to recommend their (low to mid range) scanners until about 1999/2000 when I concluded that they were resting on their laurels and Epson and some others had passed them by by in both pricing and quality. Servers, PCs, CD drives, tape drives, etc. are products from other divisions. I put no more stock in them than any other companies products. Basically, these days, I look at PCs as being no better than their tech support. Same junk assembled in a different location with different label slapped on it :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 21 11:25:33 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:25:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewa ll) Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497E2@ALCUXB> John, they'll get upset if you call them that... they like to be known as Chromatographers :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 17:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) Jon, I have a Compaq EVO W4000, PIV 2.4 GHz w/524 RAM and SCSI architecture running W2KPro. Works quite well :o) I also have a Dell PowerEdge Server that works quite well too. My Sony VAIO laptop has also been quite nice. Eclectic or what? :o) John B. BTW thanks, I'll make a note of that if I run into a Gas Chromatologist :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) We've had lots of Dell's here and we've recently moved over to HP/Compaq boxes for some reason (I had no say in this...). The Dell's are better supported on the net, you can look up your individual pc by using the service tag on it, rather than trying to work out which version of a Deskpro it is (I still don't know exactly which model of pc we have 6 copies of). The drivers etc are there ready to be downloaded with no problems. Also, for some reason my Dell 1.4Ghz P4 with 256 MB RAM seems to out perform the new Compaqs we've got, which are 2.53 P4 with 256 RAM... that's just not right. But for Gas Chromatography, HP Agilent are the best in the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) I only stand by the HP "printer" recommendations. HP the company (even before they aquired Compaq) has numerous divisions that could probably stand alone as seperate companies. Their Printing and imaging division is of the highest quality. I used to recommend their (low to mid range) scanners until about 1999/2000 when I concluded that they were resting on their laurels and Epson and some others had passed them by by in both pricing and quality. Servers, PCs, CD drives, tape drives, etc. are products from other divisions. I put no more stock in them than any other companies products. Basically, these days, I look at PCs as being no better than their tech support. Same junk assembled in a different location with different label slapped on it :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 21 12:29:12 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:29:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497E2@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallWho would've guessed?! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) John, they'll get upset if you call them that... they like to be known as Chromatographers :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 17:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) Jon, I have a Compaq EVO W4000, PIV 2.4 GHz w/524 RAM and SCSI architecture running W2KPro. Works quite well :o) I also have a Dell PowerEdge Server that works quite well too. My Sony VAIO laptop has also been quite nice. Eclectic or what? :o) John B. BTW thanks, I'll make a note of that if I run into a Gas Chromatologist :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) We've had lots of Dell's here and we've recently moved over to HP/Compaq boxes for some reason (I had no say in this...). The Dell's are better supported on the net, you can look up your individual pc by using the service tag on it, rather than trying to work out which version of a Deskpro it is (I still don't know exactly which model of pc we have 6 copies of). The drivers etc are there ready to be downloaded with no problems. Also, for some reason my Dell 1.4Ghz P4 with 256 MB RAM seems to out perform the new Compaqs we've got, which are 2.53 P4 with 256 RAM... that's just not right. But for Gas Chromatography, HP Agilent are the best in the world! Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 21 August 2003 16:27 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Products from various companies (was Norton Firewall) I only stand by the HP "printer" recommendations. HP the company (even before they aquired Compaq) has numerous divisions that could probably stand alone as seperate companies. Their Printing and imaging division is of the highest quality. I used to recommend their (low to mid range) scanners until about 1999/2000 when I concluded that they were resting on their laurels and Epson and some others had passed them by by in both pricing and quality. Servers, PCs, CD drives, tape drives, etc. are products from other divisions. I put no more stock in them than any other companies products. Basically, these days, I look at PCs as being no better than their tech support. Same junk assembled in a different location with different label slapped on it :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Absolutely... I won't use any other kind of printers at work. Their pc's however, leave a little be desired compared to Dell's. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 20 August 2003 21:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Just a teensy response to those "some people". I own no shares in said company but I LOVE HP. Everything I have ever bought from them worked flawlessly and for at least a decade. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall My take on him too. Unfortunatley, like much of what you read on the internet, this is pure opinion. On a side note - I followed a link the other day that basically had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use Norton products another one that had a bunch of people saying they would NEVER use HP printers. Give me a break! The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 13:13:56 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:13:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <00d501c3657f$394ac800$410cd018@W2k><013601c366b5$65ce52c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com><005b01c36755$7f1ffdf0$410cd018@W2k><027a01c36756$9024b900$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <002401c3676d$e5ff35f0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <008401c3680f$fc51c000$1500a8c0@marlow.com> MAC in MAC Address stands for Media Access Control. As for your questions. First, no, a DHCP request will not be sent through a router, so it will always stay within a LAN. In your situation, you are probably getting IP Addresses from your cable modem, since it is probably running it's own DHCP server. Are you running ICS (Internet Connection Sharing), or are you just plugging all of your machines into the cable mode? As far as assigning IP Addresses, look at what is being set by the machines that work. They are probably 192.168.0.x with a subnet of 255.255.255.0. To manually set these, you need to go to your network properties, and then go into the properties of the TCP/IP protocols. (The winipcfg just shows the current settings, it doesn't let you change them.). To view the settings in W2k, from a command prompt, type ipconfig. (or ipconfig /all to get more information). As far as the pinging goes, I think this is a name resolution issue. Once you have the IP Addresses for both machines, ping them with the -a command (forgot to include that in my little article!) such as: ping -a 192.168.0.4 When that pings, it will do a reverse resolution, and tell you the computer name AND domain name of the machine at 192.168.0.4. (ie, CompA.SomeDomain.net) Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > Drew, > > My experience with Macs ended in 1990. I haven't hardly even sniffed a Mac > since then. > > >> holler if you need more details on anything << > > First, an acronym check: what does MAC stand for, as in MAC address? > > Second, in your discussion about DHCP I gathered that when a w/s makes a > DHCP request, the DHCP server may not actually be on that LAN, correct? We > have a Novell NetWare 5.1 LAN and I see that the DHCP server NLM isn't > loaded on the server. Thus the cable modem routes the request to the cable > company's DHCP server, yes? > > I've been examining the configuration of an old Windows 98 SE 133 MHz > Pentium system that I have set up right next to my main Windows 2000 Pro > w/s. This Win98 w/s logs into our NetWare LAN just fine, but the IP address > is one of those 169 jobbies--which I used Gibson's IPAgent to determine. > Winipcfg shows me the subnet mask (255.255.0.0, just as you said) but I > don't see a way to change it with that tool. If I look at the TCP/IP > protocol settings in the control panel, it's set to acquire an IP address > automagically and DNS is disabled. > > If I set the IP address, to what should I set it? When I ping my Win2k w/s > from the Win98 w/s I get the same error I got when I tried pinging from my > sons' WinXP Home system: Host not reachable. When I try to ping the Win98 > system from my Win2k w/s I get a timeout. > > I can't quite discern what this means when I refer to your IP essay, though. > Any ideas? > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 13:16:08 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:16:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... References: <001b01c36721$a03845d0$b501010a@PARIS><023a01c36735$452adb30$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <003401c36758$c9d3cdb0$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <009e01c36810$4af017c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Easy. That is dependant upon your perspective and experience with IIS. IIS can be a little overwhelming, but if you look through what all of the settings do, it gets easier to understand. As far as if I have tried it, yes, I have setup and manipulated more web sites then I care to think about! Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > Thanks, Drew, > > That's is so easy? Did you try it? > And of course I should stop IIS services before I will do that? > > Shamil > > P.S. Sorry for my duplicate posting... - I've got one message rejected > because I used wrong sender's address... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > > > > Copy the directories. Go into the IIS setup, and select the Home > Directory > > tab in the properties for your default site. In there, change the path to > > the new location. > > > > Drew > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > To: "dba - Tech" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:47 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Moving IIS data directories to another disk... > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I wanted to move IIS default c:\InetPub\ with all subdirectories to say > > > d:\Inetpub. > > > Reason: c: is Fat32 and so it can't be properly secured. > > > > > > There is a good article on managing IIS - > > > http://www.15seconds.com/issue/970828.htm - but it doesn't seem to > > describe > > > my case. Does anybody know how to do that moving? > > > > > > TIA, > > > Shamil > > > > > > -- > > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 13:19:20 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:19:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9ACD@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <00ac01c36810$bd6f9dc0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> No problem. One minor correction though, what has been explained with DHCP holds true for connecting to the internet too. If you have a broadband connection, your 'LAN' extends to the first router it hits. If you have a DSL modem (not modem/router), the first router you are going to hit is going to be at the ISP. This router will have DHCP capabilities, to send the broadband clients an IP Address. It's much the same for Dialup, the only difference is that you are using DUN to act as the NIC, when connecting to the internet. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foote, Chris" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:39 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems > Excuse me butting in here please Drew! > > Comments in-line. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:54 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > > > > Drew, > > > > My experience with Macs ended in 1990. I haven't hardly even > > sniffed a Mac > > since then. > > > > >> holler if you need more details on anything << > > > > First, an acronym check: what does MAC stand for, as in MAC address? > > MAC stands for Media Access Control. It is a globally unique address > "burnt-in" to your computer's NIC (Network Address Card). It is effectively > the "hardware address". It comprises of 48-bits. > > The address is usually expressed as six hexadecimal octets separated by > dashes. > > For example: 00-00-0C-EC-B7-93 > > The first half of the address is used to identify the manufacturer of the > NIC, and the second half is a sequential number issued by the NIC > manufacturer. In the example above "00-00-0C" indicates Cisco. > > > Second, in your discussion about DHCP I gathered that when a > > w/s makes a > > DHCP request, the DHCP server may not actually be on that > > LAN, correct? We > > have a Novell NetWare 5.1 LAN and I see that the DHCP server NLM isn't > > loaded on the server. Thus the cable modem routes the request > > to the cable > > company's DHCP server, yes? > > Urm. Not sure about this! AFAIK for DHCP to work the DHCP server _must_ be > on the same network (LAN) as the workstation requesting the IP address. Do > not confuse this with what happens when you connect to the internet via an > ISP. > > The machines in your LAN have one set of IP addresses, but to the internet > you will have a different address. > > For example. In my BAN (Bedroom Area Network) my PCs and printer server have > static IP addresses in the range 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.20, but when I connect > to my dial-up ISP the machine CONNECTING TO THE INTERNET will have an > address in the 212.69.201.xxx series. > > I'm not a Novell person. Sorry. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 13:22:40 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:22:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting Nowhere Fast with IIS References: Message-ID: <00e301c36811$34efa840$1500a8c0@marlow.com> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallWe need to setup a teleconference where I can show everyone what settings are what on an IIS server. Arthur, if you want a little lesson 'offline', email me at dwutka at marlow.com, and I'll set something up so you can see my server, and I'll show you what is what. Okay? Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting Nowhere Fast with IIS The saga of rebuilding all my software setup continues. Currently I can't make IIS work. http://localhost goes nowhere. I've examined the IIS settings for default web site and can't see anything amiss. I created a very simple page and put it in wwwroot. Do I have to specifically name it as the default page? If so, how? I thought calling it default.htm was enough. Everything used to work before I nuked the disk and reformatted it and began resinstalling everything. I have two boxes with similar setups, both running winXP. On one of them, typing http://localhost brings up a page called localstart.asp, which says that the web service is running but that I have no default web page. On the other box, http://localhost just gives me Page cannot be opened.. Any suggestions, people? TIA Arthur ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Aug 21 14:00:12 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:00:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting Nowhere Fast with IIS References: Message-ID: <3F4516BC.5090604@shaw.ca> If you are using WinXP Pro maybe this will help; then again maybe not. There is a networking diagnostic that might help on Win XP From Start In the Help Console click "Networking and the Web" ---> "Fixing a Network problem or Web Problem" then ---> "Diagnose network configuration and run automated tests". then scan and check Network Adapters for errors, especially in something like Intel(R) Pro/100 VE NetWork Connection (Passed) or (Failed) and then also WINS Host LookupFile Arthur Fuller wrote: > The saga of rebuilding all my software setup continues. Currently I > can't make IIS work. http://localhost goes nowhere. I've examined the > IIS settings for default web site and can't see anything amiss. I > created a very simple page and put it in wwwroot. Do I have to > specifically name it as the default page? If so, how? I thought > calling it default.htm was enough. > > Everything used to work before I nuked the disk and reformatted it and > began resinstalling everything. I have two boxes with similar setups, > both running winXP. On one of them, typing http://localhost brings up > a page called localstart.asp, which says that the web service is > running but that I have no default web page. On the other box, > http://localhost just gives me Page cannot be opened.. > > Any suggestions, people? > TIA > Arthur > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From artful at rogers.com Thu Aug 21 14:31:47 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:31:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallI just got about the 20th notice today from the company's email provider. A snip: Recipient: afuller at etsys.com Sender: ntbug at microsoft.com Subject: Re: Approved Virus name: W32.Sobig.F at mm Attachment: details.pif Status: Messaged deleted Notified: recipient, administrator Thank you for using our services --- The Electric Mail Company www.electricmail.com My question is, how can people spoof an email address? Look where it allegedly came from. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 14:52:28 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:52:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: Message-ID: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallJust a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I just got about the 20th notice today from the company's email provider. A snip: Recipient: afuller at etsys.com Sender: ntbug at microsoft.com Subject: Re: Approved Virus name: W32.Sobig.F at mm Attachment: details.pif Status: Messaged deleted Notified: recipient, administrator Thank you for using our services --- The Electric Mail Company www.electricmail.com My question is, how can people spoof an email address? Look where it allegedly came from. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 21 16:36:50 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:36:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today In-Reply-To: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallI've been getting deluged by them too this week. Probably 20 a day since I got back from vacation (Sunday). I opened one of them (Outlook 2k) and choose View | Options and copied this info: Received: from DELLY [68.49.121.92] by mail.winhaven.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.01) id A9CB30F0378; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:40:11 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver Does this mean that Stuart Cannon really is the person that sent this or can this be masquraded somehow? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Just a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I just got about the 20th notice today from the company's email provider. A snip: Recipient: afuller at etsys.com Sender: ntbug at microsoft.com Subject: Re: Approved Virus name: W32.Sobig.F at mm Attachment: details.pif Status: Messaged deleted Notified: recipient, administrator Thank you for using our services --- The Electric Mail Company www.electricmail.com My question is, how can people spoof an email address? Look where it allegedly came from. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 21 16:51:03 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:51:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: Message-ID: <016301c3682e$516df1d0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallNo, what it means is that a machine called DELLY, with an IP Address of 68.49.121.92 send you this email. Here is the WhoIS info for that IP Address: OrgName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgID: CMCS Address: 3 Executive Campus Address: 5th Floor City: Cherry Hill StateProv: NJ PostalCode: 08002 Country: US NetRange: 68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255 CIDR: 68.32.0.0/11 NetName: JUMPSTART-1 NetHandle: NET-68-32-0-0-1 Parent: NET-68-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS01.JDC01.PA.COMCAST.NET NameServer: NS02.JDC01.PA.COMCAST.NET Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2001-11-29 Updated: 2002-06-12 TechHandle: IC161-ARIN TechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. TechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 TechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Abuse and Policy Observance OrgAbusePhone: +1-856-317-7272 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at comcast.net OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN OrgTechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgTechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 OrgTechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com CustName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. Address: 3 Executive Campus Address: 5th Floor City: Cherry Hill StateProv: NJ PostalCode: 08002 Country: US RegDate: 2003-03-19 Updated: 2003-03-19 NetRange: 68.48.0.0 - 68.49.255.255 CIDR: 68.48.0.0/15 NetName: DC-3 NetHandle: NET-68-48-0-0-1 Parent: NET-68-32-0-0-1 NetType: Reassigned Comment: NONE RegDate: 2003-03-19 Updated: 2003-03-19 TechHandle: IC161-ARIN TechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. TechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 TechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Abuse and Policy Observance OrgAbusePhone: +1-856-317-7272 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at comcast.net OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN OrgTechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgTechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 OrgTechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-20 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. So it's someone that is using Comcast as their ISP. Sometimes the WhoIs information narrows it down further, but this looks like a home user. (Most businesses register their own information within the WhoIs servers. You could try to contact Comcast with the numbers here, and tell them you are receiving virus emails....they may be able to contact the actual infected person, since they should know which one of their customers is currently using that IP Address. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: John Bartow To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I've been getting deluged by them too this week. Probably 20 a day since I got back from vacation (Sunday). I opened one of them (Outlook 2k) and choose View | Options and copied this info: Received: from DELLY [68.49.121.92] by mail.winhaven.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.01) id A9CB30F0378; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:40:11 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver Does this mean that Stuart Cannon really is the person that sent this or can this be masquraded somehow? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Just a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I just got about the 20th notice today from the company's email provider. A snip: Recipient: afuller at etsys.com Sender: ntbug at microsoft.com Subject: Re: Approved Virus name: W32.Sobig.F at mm Attachment: details.pif Status: Messaged deleted Notified: recipient, administrator Thank you for using our services --- The Electric Mail Company www.electricmail.com My question is, how can people spoof an email address? 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URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 21 17:24:32 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:24:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today In-Reply-To: <016301c3682e$516df1d0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallI'll check the last group I got and lookup them up as you did. If there is a pattern I'll notify the ISP. Thanks a bunch! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today No, what it means is that a machine called DELLY, with an IP Address of 68.49.121.92 send you this email. Here is the WhoIS info for that IP Address: OrgName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgID: CMCS Address: 3 Executive Campus Address: 5th Floor City: Cherry Hill StateProv: NJ PostalCode: 08002 Country: US NetRange: 68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255 CIDR: 68.32.0.0/11 NetName: JUMPSTART-1 NetHandle: NET-68-32-0-0-1 Parent: NET-68-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS01.JDC01.PA.COMCAST.NET NameServer: NS02.JDC01.PA.COMCAST.NET Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2001-11-29 Updated: 2002-06-12 TechHandle: IC161-ARIN TechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. TechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 TechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Abuse and Policy Observance OrgAbusePhone: +1-856-317-7272 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at comcast.net OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN OrgTechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgTechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 OrgTechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com CustName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. Address: 3 Executive Campus Address: 5th Floor City: Cherry Hill StateProv: NJ PostalCode: 08002 Country: US RegDate: 2003-03-19 Updated: 2003-03-19 NetRange: 68.48.0.0 - 68.49.255.255 CIDR: 68.48.0.0/15 NetName: DC-3 NetHandle: NET-68-48-0-0-1 Parent: NET-68-32-0-0-1 NetType: Reassigned Comment: NONE RegDate: 2003-03-19 Updated: 2003-03-19 TechHandle: IC161-ARIN TechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. TechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 TechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Abuse and Policy Observance OrgAbusePhone: +1-856-317-7272 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at comcast.net OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN OrgTechName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgTechPhone: +1-856-317-7300 OrgTechEmail: cips-ip-registration at cable.comcast.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-20 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. So it's someone that is using Comcast as their ISP. Sometimes the WhoIs information narrows it down further, but this looks like a home user. (Most businesses register their own information within the WhoIs servers. You could try to contact Comcast with the numbers here, and tell them you are receiving virus emails....they may be able to contact the actual infected person, since they should know which one of their customers is currently using that IP Address. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: John Bartow To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I've been getting deluged by them too this week. Probably 20 a day since I got back from vacation (Sunday). I opened one of them (Outlook 2k) and choose View | Options and copied this info: Received: from DELLY [68.49.121.92] by mail.winhaven.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.01) id A9CB30F0378; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:40:11 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver Does this mean that Stuart Cannon really is the person that sent this or can this be masquraded somehow? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Just a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today I just got about the 20th notice today from the company's email provider. A snip: Recipient: afuller at etsys.com Sender: ntbug at microsoft.com Subject: Re: Approved Virus name: W32.Sobig.F at mm Attachment: details.pif Status: Messaged deleted Notified: recipient, administrator Thank you for using our services --- The Electric Mail Company www.electricmail.com My question is, how can people spoof an email address? 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If Steven's IP addresses are from the 192.168.0.x block with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.0 to 255 may well not be useable as this is subnet zero. The lowest block of addresses will be 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 Regards! Chris Foote > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > MAC in MAC Address stands for Media Access Control. > > As for your questions. First, no, a DHCP request will not be > sent through a > router, so it will always stay within a LAN. In your > situation, you are > probably getting IP Addresses from your cable modem, since it > is probably > running it's own DHCP server. Are you running ICS (Internet > Connection > Sharing), or are you just plugging all of your machines into > the cable mode? > > As far as assigning IP Addresses, look at what is being set > by the machines > that work. They are probably 192.168.0.x with a subnet of > 255.255.255.0. > To manually set these, you need to go to your network > properties, and then > go into the properties of the TCP/IP protocols. (The > winipcfg just shows > the current settings, it doesn't let you change them.). > > To view the settings in W2k, from a command prompt, type ipconfig. (or > ipconfig /all to get more information). > > As far as the pinging goes, I think this is a name resolution > issue. Once > you have the IP Addresses for both machines, ping them with > the -a command > (forgot to include that in my little article!) > > such as: > > ping -a 192.168.0.4 > > When that pings, it will do a reverse resolution, and tell > you the computer > name AND domain name of the machine at 192.168.0.4. (ie, > CompA.SomeDomain.net) > > Drew > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 22 03:09:11 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:09:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497E4@ALCUXB> I can't remember who asked me what was left over after a Spybot cleanup that Ad-Aware picked up... here's my log file. I downloaded the latest updates for both last night, and ran Spybot, then Ad-Aware. This is Ad-Aware's log file for the scan. If there is anything of a nefarious nature in there, please bear in mind that it's a shared pc ;-) Jon Lavasoft Ad-aware Plus Build 6.181 Logfile created on :21 August 2003 23:10:53 Using reference-file :01R21018.08.2003 ______________________________________________________ Reffile status: ========================= Reference file loaded: Reference Number : 01R21018.08.2003 Internal build : 83 File location : C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-aware 6\reflist.ref Total size : 519162 Bytes Signature data size : 509273 Bytes Reference data size : 9825 Bytes Signatures total : 11716 Target categories : 10 Target families : 243 Memory + processor status: ========================== Number of processors : 1 Processor architecture : Intel Pentium III Memory available:58 % Total physical memory:523764 kb Available physical memory:302404 kb Total page file size:2588168 kb Available on page file:2394592 kb Total virtual memory:2097024 kb Available virtual memory:2052656 kb OS:Windows 2000 Ad-aware Settings ========================= Set : Activate in-depth scan (Recommended) Set : Safe mode (always request confirmation) Set : Scan active processes Set : Scan registry Set : Deep scan registry Set : Scan my IE Favorites for banned URLs Set : Scan within archives Set : Scan my Hosts file 21-08-2003 23:10:53 - Scan started. (Custom mode) Deep scanning and examining files (C:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at ads.specificpop[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at adserving.autotrader[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at bluestreak[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Other Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at cgi-bin[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : RedSherrif Tracking Cookie Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last accessed : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last modified : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at trafficmp[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 18/08/2003 22:31:27 Last accessed : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Last modified : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at tribalfusion[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at www7.paypopup[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at zedo[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last modified : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Disk scan result for C:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (D:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for D:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (E:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for E:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 23:20:21 Scan complete Summary of this scan ?????????????????????????????????????? Total scanning time :00:09:28:247 Objects scanned :132244 Objects identified :8 Objects ignored :0 New objects :8 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Aug 22 09:54:59 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:54:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9ADA@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <025701c368bd$5c1036e0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Why's that? I've used 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 all the time...our network here uses that range. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foote, Chris" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems > One minor correction Drew. > > If Steven's IP addresses are from the 192.168.0.x block with a subnet mask > of 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.0 to 255 may well not be useable as this is > subnet zero. The lowest block of addresses will be 192.168.1.1 to > 192.168.1.254 > > Regards! > Chris Foote > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:14 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > > > > > > MAC in MAC Address stands for Media Access Control. > > > > As for your questions. First, no, a DHCP request will not be > > sent through a > > router, so it will always stay within a LAN. In your > > situation, you are > > probably getting IP Addresses from your cable modem, since it > > is probably > > running it's own DHCP server. Are you running ICS (Internet > > Connection > > Sharing), or are you just plugging all of your machines into > > the cable mode? > > > > As far as assigning IP Addresses, look at what is being set > > by the machines > > that work. They are probably 192.168.0.x with a subnet of > > 255.255.255.0. > > To manually set these, you need to go to your network > > properties, and then > > go into the properties of the TCP/IP protocols. (The > > winipcfg just shows > > the current settings, it doesn't let you change them.). > > > > To view the settings in W2k, from a command prompt, type ipconfig. (or > > ipconfig /all to get more information). > > > > As far as the pinging goes, I think this is a name resolution > > issue. Once > > you have the IP Addresses for both machines, ping them with > > the -a command > > (forgot to include that in my little article!) > > > > such as: > > > > ping -a 192.168.0.4 > > > > When that pings, it will do a reverse resolution, and tell > > you the computer > > name AND domain name of the machine at 192.168.0.4. (ie, > > CompA.SomeDomain.net) > > > > Drew > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 22 10:09:55 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:09:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497E4@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Spybot vs Ad-AwareJon, Thanks for submitting the log file. The entries in it appear to all be add cookies. This is somewhat comforting as there are no "programs" listed that Spybot missed. I can imagine that it would be quite a task for every company to keep up with every cookie deemed addware. It may be a matter of lag time between updates too. I would suspect that if you did it in opposite order (AdAware then Spybot) you would probably have some cookies that AdAware missed. I guess the moral of the story is if you want things really clean run multiple cleaners :o) Thanks again! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:09 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware I can't remember who asked me what was left over after a Spybot cleanup that Ad-Aware picked up... here's my log file. I downloaded the latest updates for both last night, and ran Spybot, then Ad-Aware. This is Ad-Aware's log file for the scan. If there is anything of a nefarious nature in there, please bear in mind that it's a shared pc ;-) Jon Lavasoft Ad-aware Plus Build 6.181 Logfile created on :21 August 2003 23:10:53 Using reference-file :01R21018.08.2003 ______________________________________________________ Reffile status: ========================= Reference file loaded: Reference Number : 01R21018.08.2003 Internal build : 83 File location : C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-aware 6\reflist.ref Total size : 519162 Bytes Signature data size : 509273 Bytes Reference data size : 9825 Bytes Signatures total : 11716 Target categories : 10 Target families : 243 Memory + processor status: ========================== Number of processors : 1 Processor architecture : Intel Pentium III Memory available:58 % Total physical memory:523764 kb Available physical memory:302404 kb Total page file size:2588168 kb Available on page file:2394592 kb Total virtual memory:2097024 kb Available virtual memory:2052656 kb OS:Windows 2000 Ad-aware Settings ========================= Set : Activate in-depth scan (Recommended) Set : Safe mode (always request confirmation) Set : Scan active processes Set : Scan registry Set : Deep scan registry Set : Scan my IE Favorites for banned URLs Set : Scan within archives Set : Scan my Hosts file 21-08-2003 23:10:53 - Scan started. (Custom mode) Deep scanning and examining files (C:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at ads.specificpop[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at adserving.autotrader[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at bluestreak[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Other Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at cgi-bin[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : RedSherrif Tracking Cookie Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last accessed : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last modified : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at trafficmp[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 18/08/2003 22:31:27 Last accessed : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Last modified : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at tribalfusion[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at www7.paypopup[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at zedo[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last modified : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Disk scan result for C:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (D:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for D:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (E:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for E:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 23:20:21 Scan complete Summary of this scan ?????????????????????????????????????? Total scanning time :00:09:28:247 Objects scanned :132244 Objects identified :8 Objects ignored :0 New objects :8 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 22 10:12:26 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:12:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA4497FD@ALCUXB> "The entries in it appear to all be add cookies." phew! ;-) hmmn, good point. I'll try it the other way round next time. I definietely saw somewhere that specifically recommended the Spybot and Ad-Aware combo, and seeing as I had already subscribed to Ad-Aware and Spybot is free, I thought I'd get both. Seems to be working perfectly too. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 22 August 2003 16:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware Jon, Thanks for submitting the log file. The entries in it appear to all be add cookies. This is somewhat comforting as there are no "programs" listed that Spybot missed. I can imagine that it would be quite a task for every company to keep up with every cookie deemed addware. It may be a matter of lag time between updates too. I would suspect that if you did it in opposite order (AdAware then Spybot) you would probably have some cookies that AdAware missed. I guess the moral of the story is if you want things really clean run multiple cleaners :o) Thanks again! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:09 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Spybot vs Ad-Aware I can't remember who asked me what was left over after a Spybot cleanup that Ad-Aware picked up... here's my log file. I downloaded the latest updates for both last night, and ran Spybot, then Ad-Aware. This is Ad-Aware's log file for the scan. If there is anything of a nefarious nature in there, please bear in mind that it's a shared pc ;-) Jon Lavasoft Ad-aware Plus Build 6.181 Logfile created on :21 August 2003 23:10:53 Using reference-file :01R21018.08.2003 ______________________________________________________ Reffile status: ========================= Reference file loaded: Reference Number : 01R21018.08.2003 Internal build : 83 File location : C:\Program Files\Lavasoft\Ad-aware 6\reflist.ref Total size : 519162 Bytes Signature data size : 509273 Bytes Reference data size : 9825 Bytes Signatures total : 11716 Target categories : 10 Target families : 243 Memory + processor status: ========================== Number of processors : 1 Processor architecture : Intel Pentium III Memory available:58 % Total physical memory:523764 kb Available physical memory:302404 kb Total page file size:2588168 kb Available on page file:2394592 kb Total virtual memory:2097024 kb Available virtual memory:2052656 kb OS:Windows 2000 Ad-aware Settings ========================= Set : Activate in-depth scan (Recommended) Set : Safe mode (always request confirmation) Set : Scan active processes Set : Scan registry Set : Deep scan registry Set : Scan my IE Favorites for banned URLs Set : Scan within archives Set : Scan my Hosts file 21-08-2003 23:10:53 - Scan started. (Custom mode) Deep scanning and examining files (C:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at ads.specificpop[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:49:57 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at adserving.autotrader[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:14:36 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at bluestreak[2].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:41:34 Other Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at cgi-bin[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : RedSherrif Tracking Cookie Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last accessed : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Last modified : 13/08/2003 23:42:46 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at trafficmp[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 18/08/2003 22:31:27 Last accessed : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Last modified : 20/08/2003 20:05:59 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at tribalfusion[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Last modified : 12/08/2003 18:48:04 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at www7.paypopup[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Last modified : 12/08/2003 19:19:58 Tracking Cookie Object recognized! Type : File Data : jon tydda at zedo[1].txt Category : Data Miner Comment : Object : C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Tydda\Cookies\ Created on : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last accessed : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Last modified : 12/08/2003 21:00:42 Disk scan result for C:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (D:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for D:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 Deep scanning and examining files (E:) ?????????????????????????????????????? Disk scan result for E:\ ?????????????????????????????????????? New objects : 0 Objects found so far: 8 23:20:21 Scan complete Summary of this scan ?????????????????????????????????????? Total scanning time :00:09:28:247 Objects scanned :132244 Objects identified :8 Objects ignored :0 New objects :8 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 22 17:01:28 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:01:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9ADA@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F471F58.20666.5617EBF@localhost> On 22 Aug 2003 at 7:49, Foote, Chris wrote: > One minor correction Drew. > > If Steven's IP addresses are from the 192.168.0.x block with a subnet mask > of 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.0 to 255 may well not be useable as this is > subnet zero. The lowest block of addresses will be 192.168.1.1 to > 192.168.1.254 > Still doesn't make sense. 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 shouldn't be used, but 192.158.0.1 to 192.168.0.254 are fine. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Aug 22 17:05:09 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:05:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <3F471F58.20666.5617EBF@localhost> Message-ID: <038b01c368f9$73a2cb60$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Oh yes....agreed. Thought you meant all 255 addresses, not just the 0 and 255 ones. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems > On 22 Aug 2003 at 7:49, Foote, Chris wrote: > > > One minor correction Drew. > > > > If Steven's IP addresses are from the 192.168.0.x block with a subnet mask > > of 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.0 to 255 may well not be useable as this is > > subnet zero. The lowest block of addresses will be 192.168.1.1 to > > 192.168.1.254 > > > Still doesn't make sense. > > 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 shouldn't be used, but 192.158.0.1 to > 192.168.0.254 are fine. > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tortise at paradise.net.nz Sat Aug 23 02:03:08 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:03:08 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <002f01c36944$9bfe1b00$0900a8c0@P1200n> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallKewl Can you advise the Whois URL for IP addresses, I can only find it for x.com's etc. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Drew Wutka To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Just a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Aug 24 08:28:48 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:28:48 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: This is getting a long tread... Did you checked that the pc has no firewall activated. Sometimes people forget to disable the firewall on a pc when that pc was first connected directly to the internet and connecting it afterwards to a local area network that has it's on router/firewall. I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). Please also note that your cable modem/router (built in DHCP server) can be limited to a certain number of clients. You can avoid this by using the proxy in your server. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Oh yes....agreed. Thought you meant all 255 addresses, not just the 0 and 255 ones. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Modems > On 22 Aug 2003 at 7:49, Foote, Chris wrote: > > > One minor correction Drew. > > > > If Steven's IP addresses are from the 192.168.0.x block with a > > subnet mask > > of 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.0 to 255 may well not be useable as this > > is subnet zero. The lowest block of addresses will be 192.168.1.1 to > > 192.168.1.254 > > > Still doesn't make sense. > > 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 shouldn't be used, but 192.158.0.1 to > 192.168.0.254 are fine. > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Sun Aug 24 20:00:51 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:00:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: Message-ID: <001a01c36aa4$60c8a990$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, I appreciate your response. >> Did you checked that the pc has no firewall activated. Sometimes people forget to disable the firewall on a pc when that pc was first connected directly to the internet and connecting it afterwards to a local area network that has it's on router/firewall. << Well, our Novell network is about as simple as can be: file server, 2 Windows 2000 Pro workstations, a Windows XP Home workstation (my sons'), and once in a while there's a Windows 98 workstation logged in...and very occasionally a Windows 95 laptop. There is no router nor hardware firewall on the LAN. There are a number of things confusing me about this problem. I had installed the Sygate personal firewall on the XP Home w/s a couple of weeks ago, before the problems began with not getting an Internet connection. I had also installed the 15 day eval edition of Norton AntiVirus in case Blaster wanted to get on board. Then my oldest son restored the XP w/s to a point a few weeks ago to see if maybe a game installation had munged things up. That restore got rid of Sygate...but left the Norton AV eval intact!?!? Also, that Windows 98 workstation has had problems logging onto the Internet, too. I don't mind that so much since it's not a w/s that we use a lot. But yesterday it started to connect just fine to the Internet! Right now it's connected to the Microsoft web site and is checking for Windows 98 updates! >> I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). << Is that really necessary? And when you say "faster", I'm already connected by a cable modem that consistently gives me 1200 kbps download speed. I don't want to sound like I'm whining. I have a good horseback knowledge of Novell, but I've never dinked with anything relating to proxies. I haven't read about them, I don't know what to do to configure it on my server. This doesn't seem to me to be a reasonable option...especially considering that everything was working fine 3-4 weeks ago and had been working fine for over a year. Why should I now consider setting up a proxy server? >> Please also note that your cable modem/router (built in DHCP server) can be limited to a certain number of clients. You can avoid this by using the proxy in your server. << That seems like a positive thing, but I talked to my cable modem supplier sometime back and the tech support guy indicated that there wasn't any limit on the number of workstations I could hook up on our home office network. It looks to me like I'll have to devote some hard study to these issues. Nothing I've read here or found in my searches has given me any hints about what is happening. I know that there are several things happening here but my usual laying-on-of-hands hasn't worked. Time for more skull sweat, I guess. Thanks again for your reply. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Aug 25 01:21:27 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:21:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: Windows 2000 and XP include a mini firewall. If they are activated you can get local/internet communication problems. Like not seeing other computers on your network. I don't know if you use IPX/SPX for netware server Access, but it is posbile and most likely you also use IP for Netware Access. In case of the last, you are in trouble. You can never use any firewall on the local computers. I would strongly de-advice connecting your internet modem directly to your LAN hub so all pc have a direct connection to the internet. Unless you are certain the cable is also a router that has some firewall protection in it (closure of ports). If not, I would strongly advice to install a harware mini firewall/router (like netgear or SMC or whatever) in between your hub and the cable modem. This is pretty easy to do. Or put a second nic in your server and activate the proxy server (firewall) of Netware. All pc connect via the netware server to the internet. This is my preferation but more complex. This can be faster because it has a cache and it collects often visited website page in forehand. Only the server has a public ip, thus (more) securing the local computers. You no longer need any software firewall on the computers. You ALWAYS need a virusscanner on computers, server included. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:01 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Erwin, I appreciate your response. >> Did you checked that the pc has no firewall activated. Sometimes >> people forget to disable the firewall on a pc when that pc was first connected directly to the internet and connecting it afterwards to a local area network that has it's on router/firewall. << Well, our Novell network is about as simple as can be: file server, 2 Windows 2000 Pro workstations, a Windows XP Home workstation (my sons'), and once in a while there's a Windows 98 workstation logged in...and very occasionally a Windows 95 laptop. There is no router nor hardware firewall on the LAN. There are a number of things confusing me about this problem. I had installed the Sygate personal firewall on the XP Home w/s a couple of weeks ago, before the problems began with not getting an Internet connection. I had also installed the 15 day eval edition of Norton AntiVirus in case Blaster wanted to get on board. Then my oldest son restored the XP w/s to a point a few weeks ago to see if maybe a game installation had munged things up. That restore got rid of Sygate...but left the Norton AV eval intact!?!? Also, that Windows 98 workstation has had problems logging onto the Internet, too. I don't mind that so much since it's not a w/s that we use a lot. But yesterday it started to connect just fine to the Internet! Right now it's connected to the Microsoft web site and is checking for Windows 98 updates! >> I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). << Is that really necessary? And when you say "faster", I'm already connected by a cable modem that consistently gives me 1200 kbps download speed. I don't want to sound like I'm whining. I have a good horseback knowledge of Novell, but I've never dinked with anything relating to proxies. I haven't read about them, I don't know what to do to configure it on my server. This doesn't seem to me to be a reasonable option...especially considering that everything was working fine 3-4 weeks ago and had been working fine for over a year. Why should I now consider setting up a proxy server? >> Please also note that your cable modem/router (built in DHCP server) >> can be limited to a certain number of clients. You can avoid this by using the proxy in your server. << That seems like a positive thing, but I talked to my cable modem supplier sometime back and the tech support guy indicated that there wasn't any limit on the number of workstations I could hook up on our home office network. It looks to me like I'll have to devote some hard study to these issues. Nothing I've read here or found in my searches has given me any hints about what is happening. I know that there are several things happening here but my usual laying-on-of-hands hasn't worked. Time for more skull sweat, I guess. Thanks again for your reply. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." -- Lady Margaret Thatcher _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 25 01:24:12 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:24:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems In-Reply-To: <001a01c36aa4$60c8a990$410cd018@W2k> References: <001a01c36aa4$60c8a990$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <1211867224.20030825082412@cactus.dk> Hi Steven >>> I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. > I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this > will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat > faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). << That might very well be BorderManager: http://www.novell.com/products/bordermanager/ > Is that really necessary? And when you say "faster", I'm already connected > by a cable modem that consistently gives me 1200 kbps download > speed. .. It caches retrieved files which sometimes can improve access time, it is an advanced firewall, and it can add a VPN. It will probably be overkill for your setup. /gustav From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Tue Aug 26 13:00:57 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:00:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950A6@corp-es00> I installed all the patches for windows 2000 like a good boy. All is well EXCEPT certain fonts no longer work. Double clicking on them gives the error message that they are not true type font files. As it happens these are all custom made fonts using Becker handwriting font maker. Anyone seen this kind of weirdness? I use these fonts in lots of brochures. I HATE Patches, upgrades, etc. :-( Jim Hale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 26 13:18:51 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:18:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950A6@corp-es00> Message-ID: <004901c36bff$4a50aee0$410cd018@W2k> Jim, Do you have one of the font manager programs like Bitstream Font Navigator? That might help you re-register these handmade fonts properly after having had them kicked out by Windows. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 26 14:23:58 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:23:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950A6@corp-es00> Message-ID: Font weirdness and windows patches.No, but I think Steve had a good suggestion. BTW: how do you like the Becker font maker? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. I installed all the patches for windows 2000 like a good boy. All is well EXCEPT certain fonts no longer work. Double clicking on them gives the error message that they are not true type font files. As it happens these are all custom made fonts using Becker handwriting font maker. Anyone seen this kind of weirdness? I use these fonts in lots of brochures. I HATE Patches, upgrades, etc. :-( Jim Hale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 26 15:49:56 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:49:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <00ba01c36c13$be6def40$410cd018@W2k> Dear Group, Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've been steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web sites, but my own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet security is limited to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my home office. I have two main questions: 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, magazines, web sites, etc.? 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering questions about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm asking you here. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From MPorter at acsalaska.com Tue Aug 26 16:03:14 2003 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:03:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: For me, I stick to the simple basics. -Linksys firewall (just bought a new 4 port + wireless G - very nice for the roaming laptop) -AVG antivirus. Free, and better than the big names in my opinion. Never missed a virus yet. -mlin.net for startup control panel and startup monitor. Very nice tools for cleaning up your startup tray from whatever finds its way in there, and for keeping things out to begin with. -grc.com for the free tools to turn off the security issues with XP and Messenger. -mailwasher. Cleans all email accounts from junk at the server level, before it even gets to your in-box. -Google toolbar 2.0 to block the pop-ups. That's about it. No virus since I caught Nimda while building a server without a firewall. I hooked up to pull the security patch down, and caught it before the patch was even down and applied. I've been sold on firewalls ever since! Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:50 PM To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Dear Group, Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've been steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web sites, but my own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet security is limited to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my home office. I have two main questions: 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, magazines, web sites, etc.? 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering questions about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm asking you here. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 26 16:54:57 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:54:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <00cd01c36c1d$b548bbc0$410cd018@W2k> Mark, This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From MPorter at acsalaska.com Tue Aug 26 19:56:13 2003 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:56:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Mark, This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 26 21:26:50 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:26:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <3F4BDEAA.25949.F1652E@localhost> On 26 Aug 2003 at 15:49, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > magazines, web sites, etc.? There is no one specific place I get my info from. It's kind of a hodge podge of here and there. A few are: MS Security Bulletins (sorry can't find a URL :( Langa List (http://www.langa.com) LockerGnome (http://www.lockergnome.com) Woody's Watches (http://www.woodyswatch.com/) Cert Advisories (http://www.cert.org) Woody's Longe (http://www.wopr.com/lounge) Those are the main places I get my info from. Plus whatever I hear "along the way" (continued in next message. Network problems :( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 26 15:21:41 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:21:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <002f01c36944$9bfe1b00$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: <000001c36c5a$7e281b80$1500a8c0@marlow.com> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallAs long as you don't use it too frequently (because then I'll get blocked), you can use it from my site. http://wolfwares.com/whoistest.asp Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Tortise at Paradise To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Kewl Can you advise the Whois URL for IP addresses, I can only find it for x.com's etc. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Drew Wutka To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Just a little FYI on this virus. It DOES NOT use the email address of the infected machine to send out emails. It sends them out using random email addresses found on the users machine. What does that mean in English? If your anti-virus software sends a notice to the sender of a virus (like yours did here Arthur), you are notifying the wrong person. We have gotten tons of these notices, because our employee's email addresses are being spoofed by this virus! To actually determine what is sending out these emails, look at the header info of the email. That will give you the machine name and IP Address of the computer sending out the viruses. Get the WhoIS information for that IP Address, and notify the Abuse or Tech person for that IP Address. It may help them if you include a copy of the header information. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 27 00:37:47 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:37:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <001a01c36aa4$60c8a990$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <001201c36c5d$590df0b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Just a few answers about your proxy questions. Proxies serve 3 purposes. #1. Security. Using a proxy server removes your users from being physically connected to the internet. This means that the users can see the internet, but the internet cannot see your users. #2. Monitoring. If all web activity goes through your proxy, you can monitor all web activity very easy from a centralized location. #3. Accellaration. When a hundred users access the same page, the proxy only needs to download the information once, and then it can send the data to the users from it's cache. In an environment, where there are a lot of computers, a proxy makes sense simply for #3. In a small office, or home environment, #3 provides little help, since repetitive site hits would be minimalized or non-existant. #2 would probably be unnecessary too. As far as #1 is concerned, if you are behind a router, that is assigning a private IP such as 192.168.0.2, then you have #1 covered. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > Erwin, > > I appreciate your response. > > >> Did you checked that the pc has no firewall activated. Sometimes people > forget to disable the firewall on a pc when that pc was first connected > directly to the internet and connecting it afterwards to a local area > network that has it's on router/firewall. << > > Well, our Novell network is about as simple as can be: file server, 2 > Windows 2000 Pro workstations, a Windows XP Home workstation (my sons'), and > once in a while there's a Windows 98 workstation logged in...and very > occasionally a Windows 95 laptop. There is no router nor hardware firewall > on the LAN. > > There are a number of things confusing me about this problem. I had > installed the Sygate personal firewall on the XP Home w/s a couple of weeks > ago, before the problems began with not getting an Internet connection. I > had also installed the 15 day eval edition of Norton AntiVirus in case > Blaster wanted to get on board. Then my oldest son restored the XP w/s to a > point a few weeks ago to see if maybe a game installation had munged things > up. That restore got rid of Sygate...but left the Norton AV eval intact!?!? > > Also, that Windows 98 workstation has had problems logging onto the > Internet, too. I don't mind that so much since it's not a w/s that we use a > lot. But yesterday it started to connect just fine to the Internet! Right > now it's connected to the Microsoft web site and is checking for Windows 98 > updates! > > >> I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. > I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this > will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat > faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). << > > Is that really necessary? And when you say "faster", I'm already connected > by a cable modem that consistently gives me 1200 kbps download speed. I > don't want to sound like I'm whining. I have a good horseback knowledge > of Novell, but I've never dinked with anything relating to proxies. I > haven't read about them, I don't know what to do to configure it on my > server. This doesn't seem to me to be a reasonable option...especially > considering that everything was working fine 3-4 weeks ago and had been > working fine for over a year. Why should I now consider setting up a proxy > server? > > >> Please also note that your cable modem/router (built in DHCP server) can > be limited to a certain number of clients. You can avoid this by using > the proxy in your server. << > > That seems like a positive thing, but I talked to my cable modem supplier > sometime back and the tech support guy indicated that there wasn't any limit > on the number of workstations I could hook up on our home office network. > > It looks to me like I'll have to devote some hard study to these issues. > Nothing I've read here or found in my searches has given me any hints about > what is happening. I know that there are several things happening here but > my usual laying-on-of-hands hasn't worked. Time for more skull sweat, I > guess. > > Thanks again for your reply. > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 27 01:47:22 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:47:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <171795041.20030827084722@cactus.dk> Hi Mark > Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on > automatic for every 3 days. .. We do - and strongly recommend any client to do so - update virus definitions every day. This has worked well until now. However, the Sobig we caught by eye and manually had to retrieve updated definitions as the antivirus suppliers were left behind the incredible speed of spreading of Sobig. /gustav From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 27 07:08:25 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:08:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4BDEAA.25949.F1652E@localhost> Message-ID: <001c01c36c93$eb397730$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> >MS Security Bulletins (sorry can't find a URL) Steven, for this go to http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/notify.asp and follow the subscribe link Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan Carbonnell > Sent: 27 August 2003 03:27 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > On 26 Aug 2003 at 15:49, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > > magazines, web sites, etc.? > > There is no one specific place I get my info from. It's kind > of a hodge podge of here and there. A few are: MS Security Bulletins > (sorry > can't find a URL :( Langa List (http://www.langa.com) LockerGnome > (http://www.lockergnome.com) Woody's Watches > (http://www.woodyswatch.com/) Cert Advisories > (http://www.cert.org) Woody's Longe (http://www.wopr.com/lounge) Those are the main places I get my info from. Plus whatever I hear "along the way" (continued in next message. Network problems :( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 27 07:11:34 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:11:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44981F@ALCUXB> I've got Zonealarm Pro v4, McAfee VirusScan v7, McAfee Spamkiller & Security Centre, I'm running Windows 2000, with all the permissions tightly set up, and the combination of Spybot and Ad-Aware seems to work well. All runs fine for me, no obvious loss of performance (that a clean up and defrag won't cure), and that's on a P3-500 with 512mb RAM. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 26 August 2003 21:50 To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Dear Group, Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've been steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web sites, but my own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet security is limited to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my home office. I have two main questions: 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, magazines, web sites, etc.? 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering questions about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm asking you here. 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URL: From artful at rogers.com Wed Aug 27 08:08:59 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:08:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c36c9c$61500d00$6501a8c0@rock> My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 27 08:13:36 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 9:13:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <20030827131338.OJCF12074.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> > (continued in next message. Network problems :( Apparently Part II didn't comne through :( So here it is from memory. > 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). I use a Linksys NAT Router, McAffee Virus Scan and Software firewall (Zone Alamrm but right now I'm looking at Sygate) I constanlty update my virus signatures as well as head on over to windows update several times a week. I also do not use Outlook or Outlook Express. I won't even allow Outlook to be installed on any of my personal PCs! I'd say 99% of the virii that I have received have come from a bug that the virii writers take advantage of in one of these two e-mail clients. I use Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for an e-mail client. It will display HTML mail, but it won't run any scripts. No need to worry about VBScripts or Javascripts because they won't run. Period. End of discussion. Not to mention the fact it will handle an enormous amount of e-mail with out any problems. I currently have 90,000+ emails in my message store. I have had arounbd 120,000 e-mails before the "great purge" :-) I also *NEVER* *EVER* open an attachment from someone I don't know. I've even been known to reply to people, that I don't know who have e-mailed me with questions about some of the stuff I have on my website, telling them that I won't respond to them unless they send plain text e-mail only. If they can't figure out how to turn that cr*p off, then I don't have time to waste trying to help them out. Mind you I ask them politely :-) That's what I do to stay safe. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! From artful at rogers.com Wed Aug 27 08:17:22 2003 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:17:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <171795041.20030827084722@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <007d01c36c9d$8cd37740$6501a8c0@rock> How did you catch it by eye? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures However, the Sobig we caught by eye and manually had to retrieve updated definitions as the antivirus suppliers were left behind the incredible speed of spreading of Sobig. /gustav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 27 08:47:39 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:47:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <007d01c36c9d$8cd37740$6501a8c0@rock> References: <007d01c36c9d$8cd37740$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <18327012882.20030827154739@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur This is a non-English language area. No domestic people address me in English, and the sender address I didn't know. The attached file was a pif file with a stupid filename which no one would send me just like that - not even William would send me a "w.i.c.k.e.d screensaver". Further, that e-mail didn't contain any message except a small sentence and with no signature. Under those circumstances you have to be plain stupid to run the attached file. I don't use Outlook so it is safe for me to view any e-mail. For fun I saved the attached file on my desktop for the AV scanner to tell me which virus it contained. That was a surprise because it didn't. And it took three hours before McAffee had a definition file available ... We know have changed our recommended policy for updating intervals of AV signature definition files to one hour for servers and one day for workstations. /gustav > Date: 2003-08-27 15:17 > How did you catch it by eye? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:47 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > However, the Sobig we caught by eye and manually had to retrieve > updated definitions as the antivirus suppliers were left behind the > incredible speed of spreading of Sobig. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 08:56:38 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:56:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: I have a small remark on the AVG update (I supose you mean the Anti Virus update)... Every 3 days is not suffcient... Every hour is more likely the best schedule today. Remember that "I love you" and all those other new virus went around the world in 24 hours... So if you only update once every tree days, and you just had your update when the new virus comes in, you have bad luck. Every 3 days is really not enough, once a day could be suffciant but I install all virusscanners at customers at every hour!!! Ofcourse Mcafee brings out minimal 1 update per week, unless big problem virus come up, 2 or 3 updates a week are not that uncommon. Take my worth, every hour is a necesaty. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Mark, This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 09:06:34 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:06:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems Message-ID: Please not for #3 that you have intelligent proxy too (MS proxy 2 and ISA server, but also bordermanager) that keep statistics of often visited websites and pro-activly (at low user access times like at night) downloads parts of the website. This means the data is already present when the user wants it. This is ofcourse only the case for static websites (not database driven). -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems Just a few answers about your proxy questions. Proxies serve 3 purposes. #1. Security. Using a proxy server removes your users from being physically connected to the internet. This means that the users can see the internet, but the internet cannot see your users. #2. Monitoring. If all web activity goes through your proxy, you can monitor all web activity very easy from a centralized location. #3. Accellaration. When a hundred users access the same page, the proxy only needs to download the information once, and then it can send the data to the users from it's cache. In an environment, where there are a lot of computers, a proxy makes sense simply for #3. In a small office, or home environment, #3 provides little help, since repetitive site hits would be minimalized or non-existant. #2 would probably be unnecessary too. As far as #1 is concerned, if you are behind a router, that is assigning a private IP such as 192.168.0.2, then you have #1 covered. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Modems > Erwin, > > I appreciate your response. > > >> Did you checked that the pc has no firewall activated. Sometimes > >> people > forget to disable the firewall on a pc when that pc was first > connected directly to the internet and connecting it afterwards to a > local area network that has it's on router/firewall. << > > Well, our Novell network is about as simple as can be: file server, 2 > Windows 2000 Pro workstations, a Windows XP Home workstation (my > sons'), and > once in a while there's a Windows 98 workstation logged in...and very > occasionally a Windows 95 laptop. There is no router nor hardware > firewall on the LAN. > > There are a number of things confusing me about this problem. I had > installed the Sygate personal firewall on the XP Home w/s a couple of weeks > ago, before the problems began with not getting an Internet > connection. I had also installed the 15 day eval edition of Norton > AntiVirus in case Blaster wanted to get on board. Then my oldest son > restored the XP w/s to a > point a few weeks ago to see if maybe a game installation had munged things > up. That restore got rid of Sygate...but left the Norton AV eval intact!?!? > > Also, that Windows 98 workstation has had problems logging onto the > Internet, too. I don't mind that so much since it's not a w/s that we > use a > lot. But yesterday it started to connect just fine to the Internet! > Right now it's connected to the Microsoft web site and is checking for > Windows 98 > updates! > > >> I also would advice you to use the proxy server from your server. > I cant recall the name of it (its included in Netware). However, this > will make your environment more complex, but more secure and somewhat > faster (due to active and intelligent proxy). << > > Is that really necessary? And when you say "faster", I'm already > connected by a cable modem that consistently gives me 1200 kbps > download speed. I don't want to sound like I'm whining. I have a good > horseback knowledge of Novell, but I've never dinked with anything > relating to proxies. I haven't read about them, I don't know what to > do to configure it on my server. This doesn't seem to me to be a > reasonable option...especially considering that everything was working > fine 3-4 weeks ago and had been working fine for over a year. Why > should I now consider setting up a proxy server? > > >> Please also note that your cable modem/router (built in DHCP > >> server) can > be limited to a certain number of clients. You can avoid this by using > the proxy in your server. << > > That seems like a positive thing, but I talked to my cable modem > supplier sometime back and the tech support guy indicated that there > wasn't any limit > on the number of workstations I could hook up on our home office > network. > > It looks to me like I'll have to devote some hard study to these > issues. Nothing I've read here or found in my searches has given me > any hints about > what is happening. I know that there are several things happening here > but my usual laying-on-of-hands hasn't worked. Time for more skull > sweat, I guess. > > Thanks again for your reply. > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money." > -- Lady Margaret Thatcher > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Aug 27 09:11:38 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:11:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just checked and according to help, Norton AV is set to check every 4 hours if "automatically update definitions" is set. I see no place to adjust the time interval. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures I have a small remark on the AVG update (I supose you mean the Anti Virus update)... Every 3 days is not suffcient... Every hour is more likely the best schedule today. Remember that "I love you" and all those other new virus went around the world in 24 hours... So if you only update once every tree days, and you just had your update when the new virus comes in, you have bad luck. Every 3 days is really not enough, once a day could be suffciant but I install all virusscanners at customers at every hour!!! Ofcourse Mcafee brings out minimal 1 update per week, unless big problem virus come up, 2 or 3 updates a week are not that uncommon. Take my worth, every hour is a necesaty. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Mark, This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Aug 27 09:22:04 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:22:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Arthur, Just to be clear, are we talking about your personal computers, or clients? Because, with today's prices on hard drive storage, why bother with removable media? Just put your images on another hard drive. For personal use, I would doubt that most people using removable media for backups are using it as it was intended...off-site storage. Unless you are storing your backups off-site, another hard drive serves the same purpose, is faster, and in the long run, a cost efficient alternative. I just purchased 2 160GB disks to go along with my 2 80GB drives. With all the discounts and rebates each 7200 RPM, 160GB drive with 8MB cache cost just $100 USD. That seems like plenty of room for images;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Wed Aug 27 09:19:34 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:19:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950AA@corp-es00> Godd idea. I'll giver it a go. Thanks Jim Hale -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Jim, Do you have one of the font manager programs like Bitstream Font Navigator? That might help you re-register these handmade fonts properly after having had them kicked out by Windows. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Wed Aug 27 09:26:06 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:26:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950AB@corp-es00> The font maker is GREAT. Surprisingly easy to use. We now have distinctive proprietary fonts for our home business. The only other problem has been that FastSigns sign shops software has been unable to read them so they had trouble printing our brochures. Something in the file must just be different enough to give Fastsigns and now windows 2000 problems. bummer Jim -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. No, but I think Steve had a good suggestion. BTW: how do you like the Becker font maker? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. I installed all the patches for windows 2000 like a good boy. All is well EXCEPT certain fonts no longer work. Double clicking on them gives the error message that they are not true type font files. As it happens these are all custom made fonts using Becker handwriting font maker. Anyone seen this kind of weirdness? I use these fonts in lots of brochures. I HATE Patches, upgrades, etc. :-( Jim Hale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 10:30:35 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:30:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> 1. Firewall : Sygate Personal Firewall (the best imho, even compared to kiero) 2. Antivirus: TrendMicro 2003 (best antivirus program on the market (imho) 3. Don't do Automatic Windows update, in fact No Windows update... am signed up for the notification from MS on patches and updates. Carefully guage each update and only apply as needed. ghost images are created BEFORE each patch. (just in case) 4. Signed up to a hardwarelist which other people report back on the success of patches (hardwaregroup.com) Don't use IE, only Mozilla Firebird (.61), and recently moved away from OE to Mozilla Thunderbird (.1), basic email exploits are a thing of the past... oh and I can still read my hotmail email thorugh the client ;o) thanks to this program Hotmail Popper(www.boolean.ca). -- -Francisco Porter, Mark wrote: > Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on > automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while > just incase, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Mark, > > This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. > > Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? > Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? > > Regards, > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 27 10:49:47 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:49:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question In-Reply-To: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000a01c36cb2$d7fcbff0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> This is driving me mad. Not that it's so essential, just that I'm frustrated at not being able to spot it. Have recently moved from W98 to XP. Using Windows Explorer I want to be able, when on a folder, to see its size and the number of files. This displayed along the bottom in W98 but can I find how to get it in XP? Can I hell? Please embarrass me by pointing out the very obvious thing I'm missing. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From blreische at mdh.org Wed Aug 27 10:58:20 2003 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:58:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B480261275C@NEWMAN_EXC> View Status Bar ;-) Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question This is driving me mad. Not that it's so essential, just that I'm frustrated at not being able to spot it. Have recently moved from W98 to XP. Using Windows Explorer I want to be able, when on a folder, to see its size and the number of files. This displayed along the bottom in W98 but can I find how to get it in XP? Can I hell? Please embarrass me by pointing out the very obvious thing I'm missing. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 11:09:01 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:09:01 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Well every 4 hours should be ok to I supose. In McAfee (Viruscan Pro version) you can choose each hour, day, week but not every 4 xx. It should be less than a day because 24 is a long time. Simply stated (very simply stated) if a virus takes 24 hours to go round the world and you update every 4 hours than you got 20% change of getting infected before you have the update. If you update every hour you got 4.1% chance to be infected. That ofcourse is very theoratical... But it can... You should also consider the time Anti Virus Companies take to realise there is a new virus and to create and publish an antidote. Also the country where it start (if you are in that country) and the fact if you have International relations or not. I can confirm that having a lot of International relations does speed up having receiving virusses. AccessD is pretty clean (due to all the pro's whe are, or maybe a scanner on the relay server?!) but I have a distribution list that contains al lot of World wide companies. I see virusses always first in this group and about 1 to 2 days later in my regular SME customers which have only local relations. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures I just checked and according to help, Norton AV is set to check every 4 hours if "automatically update definitions" is set. I see no place to adjust the time interval. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures I have a small remark on the AVG update (I supose you mean the Anti Virus update)... Every 3 days is not suffcient... Every hour is more likely the best schedule today. Remember that "I love you" and all those other new virus went around the world in 24 hours... So if you only update once every tree days, and you just had your update when the new virus comes in, you have bad luck. Every 3 days is really not enough, once a day could be suffciant but I install all virusscanners at customers at every hour!!! Ofcourse Mcafee brings out minimal 1 update per week, unless big problem virus come up, 2 or 3 updates a week are not that uncommon. Take my worth, every hour is a necesaty. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Mark, This is just the kind of thing I've been looking for. Thank you. Do you do anything special to keep up-to-date on Internet and PC security? Or are you now so well protected that nothing fazes you anymore? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 11:12:49 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question Message-ID: Oh yeah That one irritates me enormously... And why the heck does WXP regulary turns the status bar off again??? Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question View Status Bar ;-) Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question This is driving me mad. Not that it's so essential, just that I'm frustrated at not being able to spot it. Have recently moved from W98 to XP. Using Windows Explorer I want to be able, when on a folder, to see its size and the number of files. This displayed along the bottom in W98 but can I find how to get it in XP? Can I hell? Please embarrass me by pointing out the very obvious thing I'm missing. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From blreische at mdh.org Wed Aug 27 11:14:00 2003 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:14:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B480261275D@NEWMAN_EXC> I figured it has something to do with the 'keep the window settings' option, but I haven't messed around with it yet to be sure... Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question Oh yeah That one irritates me enormously... And why the heck does WXP regulary turns the status bar off again??? Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question View Status Bar ;-) Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question This is driving me mad. Not that it's so essential, just that I'm frustrated at not being able to spot it. Have recently moved from W98 to XP. Using Windows Explorer I want to be able, when on a folder, to see its size and the number of files. This displayed along the bottom in W98 but can I find how to get it in XP? Can I hell? Please embarrass me by pointing out the very obvious thing I'm missing. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 11:33:05 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:33:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950AB@corp-es00> Message-ID: Font weirdness and windows patches.Jim Thanks a bunch, I have always wanted to try that program but I've never known anyone who has used it. One of my concerns was print providers, which is what I imagine FastSigns is. Presently, if I need handwriting in a printed product I scan it in and place it as a graphic. Unfortunately to get a realistic handwriting graphic I have to scan at high resolutions (1200 dpi). When I do that I get a lot of "dust and scratches" extraneous markings in the graphic. Then I have to clean the graphic in Photoshop. This is not hard but time consuming. The nice thing about having a font with personalized handwriting is that I could type things into Photoshop and then have it rasterize it (change it from a font to a graphic) for me without going through the scanning and cleanup procedures. If you have Photoshop or Illustrator you could try that procedure with FastSigns. It should work for them because they won't need your fonts. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. The font maker is GREAT. Surprisingly easy to use. We now have distinctive proprietary fonts for our home business. The only other problem has been that FastSigns sign shops software has been unable to read them so they had trouble printing our brochures. Something in the file must just be different enough to give Fastsigns and now windows 2000 problems. bummer Jim -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. No, but I think Steve had a good suggestion. BTW: how do you like the Becker font maker? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hale, Jim Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. I installed all the patches for windows 2000 like a good boy. All is well EXCEPT certain fonts no longer work. Double clicking on them gives the error message that they are not true type font files. As it happens these are all custom made fonts using Becker handwriting font maker. Anyone seen this kind of weirdness? I use these fonts in lots of brochures. I HATE Patches, upgrades, etc. :-( Jim Hale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now red-faced as expected. :-) Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Reische, Brenda L. > Sent: 27 August 2003 16:58 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question > > > View > Status Bar > > ;-) > > Brenda Reische > Application Support Analyst > McDonough District Hospital > www.mdh.org > (309) 833-4101 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:50 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question > > This is driving me mad. Not that it's so essential, just that > I'm frustrated at not being able to spot it. Have recently > moved from W98 to XP. Using Windows Explorer I want to be > able, when on a folder, to see its size and the number of > files. This displayed along the bottom in W98 but can I find > how to get it in XP? Can I hell? Please embarrass me by > pointing out the very obvious thing I'm missing. > > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 27 11:58:51 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:58:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question In-Reply-To: <000001c36cbb$bcf542a0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <000001c36cbb$bcf542a0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <19438484828.20030827185851@cactus.dk> Hi Andy You might prefer to switch from the standard Fisher Price look of WinXP to "Windows Classic" ... /gustav > Aaaaaaaaaagh! From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 12:31:36 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:31:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4CEAF8.8050605@verizon.net> Erwin Craps wrote: > Ofcourse Mcafee brings out minimal 1 update per week, unless big problem > virus come up, 2 or 3 updates a week are not that uncommon. > > Take my worth, every hour is a necesaty. > > > Erwin I did forget to mention spybot and Mailwasher in my list of security that I setup... but every hour seems more than excessive for updates, I mean don't get me wrong... I'm probably just as paranoid as the next guy but by setting up everyone of your customers to Once an hour you're effectively setting up your customers to DDOS attack. hmmm probably not a good idea... I know that any of the antivirus companies probably have a safeguard for such things but I'm just saying that it seems a bit excessive.. my AV for sure updates once a day sometimes twice... but does not try to update every hour... -- -Francisco From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 27 13:35:52 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:35:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question In-Reply-To: <19438484828.20030827185851@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001b01c36cca$0b4c01b0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Gustav I'm in cold turkey from W98 but feel I ought to struggle through and just get used to it. It's the masochistic streak in me. Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Gustav Brock > Sent: 27 August 2003 17:59 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question > > > Hi Andy > > You might prefer to switch from the standard Fisher Price > look of WinXP to "Windows Classic" ... > > /gustav > > > Aaaaaaaaaagh! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 27 13:41:19 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:41:19 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question In-Reply-To: <001b01c36cca$0b4c01b0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <001b01c36cca$0b4c01b0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <13144632117.20030827204119@cactus.dk> Hi Andy If so, get a Mac. Oh, I forgot, nowadays Unix comes with these ... /gustav > Date: 2003-08-27 20:35 > Gustav > I'm in cold turkey from W98 but feel I ought to struggle through and > just get used to it. It's the masochistic streak in me. > Andy >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> Gustav Brock >> Sent: 27 August 2003 17:59 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic XP Question >> >> >> Hi Andy >> >> You might prefer to switch from the standard Fisher Price >> look of WinXP to "Windows Classic" ... >> >> /gustav >> >> > Aaaaaaaaaagh! From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 14:39:57 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:39:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <001901c36cd4$14b10d40$410cd018@W2k> Mark, Again, thanks for the info. I'm going to organize all these responses and see if I've got any additional questions. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 14:47:10 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:47:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Modems References: <001a01c36aa4$60c8a990$410cd018@W2k> <001201c36c5d$590df0b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <001a01c36cd4$14e081b0$410cd018@W2k> Drew, More light is creeping in. I'm watching Ebay for router/firewall deals. I don't I'll go for the wireless solution right away, though. If I knew more about how to set up a proxy server I might attempt it with Novell NetWare 5.1. But I don't, so I won't. Thank you, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 14:55:32 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <001c01c36c93$eb397730$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <003c01c36cd5$48d07240$410cd018@W2k> Andy, Thanks for that link. I just signed up for the Security newsletter. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 15:00:11 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:00:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44981F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <005301c36cd6$b018c3c0$410cd018@W2k> Jon, I have a similar setup to yours except that I use Norton AV with no spam killers. I also don't have Spybot. But ZoneAlarm Pro, Windows 2000, and AdAware. >> I'm running Windows 2000, with all the permissions tightly set up << What do you mean by "tightly set up?" Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 15:09:38 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:09:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <20030827131338.OJCF12074.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> Message-ID: <007601c36cd8$18141190$410cd018@W2k> Bryan, I've bookmarked all of the links you sent me. What you said about finding things out along the way is the only way I've learned anything about the Internet or security or Access or what-have-you. Certification courses just aren't in my budget. >> I use a Linksys NAT Router << This has popped up in quite a few messages I've received both here and on another support forum I subscribe to. I'm checking Ebay for deals on an 8-port router. >> I'd say 99% of the virii that I have received have come from a bug that the virii writers take advantage of in one of these two e-mail clients. << Have you tried the e-mail stress tests available at http://www.gfi.com/emailsecuritytest/ ? My OE was pretty shot through with holes early last year; but this link was posted on one of our forums here and I've used it recently (along with ShieldsUp!!) to test my vulnerability. I'm happy to say that things look pretty tight even without a router/firewall. >> Pegasus Mail << I will certainly look at that. I've gotten very used to OE's features, though, and Norton and ZoneAlarm catch about everything. I have not ever had a virus on any of our office systems, knock on wood. >> I've even been known to reply to people, that I don't know who have e-mailed me with questions about some of the stuff I have on my website << So, what's your web site? >> Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! << "Sense is not common" -- Robert A. Heinlein Thanks, Bryan. Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 15:11:46 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950AA@corp-es00> Message-ID: <007701c36cd8$184051b0$410cd018@W2k> Jim, After I sent you that suggestion, I went to the Bitstream web site and saw that they apparently no longer market their font manager. I got it in the Corel Office 2000 suite. I don't know where else to get it. Sorry. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 15:18:19 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:18:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> Francisco, >> Carefully guage each update and only apply as needed. ghost images are created BEFORE each patch. (just in case) << VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? >> Mozilla Thunderbird << You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 16:04:04 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: <000101c366e6$b006e920$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <013101c36cdf$2156f680$410cd018@W2k> Andy, >> port 1025 << FWIW: http://grc.com/port_1025.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 16:05:56 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:05:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <00ba01c36c13$be6def40$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: Steve, Welcome to the world of paranoia! My Main PC: Norton Internet Security - AV and Firewall w/auto update Pest Patrol, Spybot search and destroy - to detect and remove malware (adware, spyware, etc) iHateSpam for Outlook spam filtering (and assorted other goodies that make life easier when using the big pig) Symantec Ghost for imaging back up working user files to server Server is backed up to tape with an OnStream tape backup. My Other machines: AVG - AV w/daily updates Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) Panda AV and Firewall (has caused me some grief on Win98) w/daily updates Gave up on McAfee - it always seemed to be the problem child of the mix. (I have dozens of NAV installations with clients because it seems to be the most easily understandable by non-techies. I'm not implying it's better than the others though.) Note that some of the free firewalls do not allow for home networking so you can't share files, printers, internet connection, etc. I believe zone alarm and maybe sygate are of this nature although I don't remember which one it was that I tried. You can by a "pro" version that allows for it though. Maybe someone else can answer that? I subscribe to Woody's Windows Watch for advice on updates - he's so cynical it fun to read too :o) I also subscribe to W2kNews and SearchWin2000.com's newsletters which are more technical but give a brief overview of each item. I use Windows ICS for my DHCP because I only have a dial-up so It doesn't really warrant a router but I have client's where I use them. LinkSys routers, etc. seem to be very good for their cost. Belkin and D-link are also some of the less expensive brands but based on my experiences I'm not going to recommend them. I've had problems with D-Link's cable modems and Belkin's Wireless access points - neither of their tech. supports were of any help. Good luck! HTH John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:50 PM > To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Dear Group, > > Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've been > steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web sites, but my > own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet security > is limited > to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my home office. > > I have two main questions: > > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > magazines, web sites, etc.? > > 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of > darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) > or hardware > (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). > 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? > > Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering questions > about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm asking > you here. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the > first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 16:17:13 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:17:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> Steven W. Erbach wrote: > VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never > needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the > primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave > jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks your stable OS. >>>Mozilla Thunderbird << > > > You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook > are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far no false positives. -- -Francisco From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 16:14:36 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:14:36 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Not really All pc update from the server and only the server get the update over the internet. He only checks a number in an ini file on an ftp server. Even in the case you would have the pc go to the internet it will be cached by the proxy server.... It does not generate much of traffice. And by the way, I dont have any other choice in McAfee, its once a day or once an hour... Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 19:32 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Erwin Craps wrote: > Ofcourse Mcafee brings out minimal 1 update per week, unless big > problem virus come up, 2 or 3 updates a week are not that uncommon. > > Take my worth, every hour is a necesaty. > > > Erwin I did forget to mention spybot and Mailwasher in my list of security that I setup... but every hour seems more than excessive for updates, I mean don't get me wrong... I'm probably just as paranoid as the next guy but by setting up everyone of your customers to Once an hour you're effectively setting up your customers to DDOS attack. hmmm probably not a good idea... I know that any of the antivirus companies probably have a safeguard for such things but I'm just saying that it seems a bit excessive.. my AV for sure updates once a day sometimes twice... but does not try to update every hour... -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 16:27:51 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:27:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4D2257.1030602@verizon.net> John Bartow wrote: > Steve, > Welcome to the world of paranoia! > > My Main PC: > Norton Internet Security - AV and Firewall w/auto update > Pest Patrol, Spybot search and destroy - to detect and remove malware > (adware, spyware, etc) > iHateSpam for Outlook spam filtering (and assorted other goodies that make > life easier when using the big pig) I've used iHateSpam, I've found that on some Dell's it just didn't work, maybe some confilct w/ the drivers for Dell's or something.... in anycase you can still get Good or just as good filtering w/ SpamBayes http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ > Panda AV and Firewall (has caused me some grief on Win98) w/daily updates Panda IMNSHO is just plain garbage, I've tried it and it's a large product w/ not much benefit. When run together w/ another Antivirus software I found that Panda would drop in a virus on my hdd then turn around and say it found something (this was on the demo available on their site) my friend would scan his pc w/ Norton and get nothing, mcAfee get nothing, then run Panda, and find that Norton would spot a virus (first) then it (Panda) would claim it found one... it was something to do w/ their copy of virus online scanner.. that's garbage to me. I've even used their full version of the software and have just not liked them.. I prefer Norton and McAfee before Panda. > Gave up on McAfee - it always seemed to be the problem child of the mix. > (I have dozens of NAV installations with clients because it seems to be the > most easily understandable by non-techies. I'm not implying it's better than > the others though.) > > Note that some of the free firewalls do not allow for home networking so you > can't share files, printers, internet connection, etc. I believe zone alarm > and maybe sygate are of this nature although I don't remember which one it > was that I tried. You can by a "pro" version that allows for it though. > Maybe someone else can answer that? I use Sygate and have not tried home networking but you can allow IP's to come through your firewall at your will by setting a filter and that's w/ out the pro. Pro has other neat features... -- -Francisco From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Aug 27 16:25:51 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:25:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: This is a good tool to monitor all in and out gooing UDP/TCP port connections. Whenever I get paranoid, I look in to this... http://www.ntutility.com/freeware.html Its the Active Ports freeware tool. But don't shoot me if it includes a Trojan... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Andy, >> port 1025 << FWIW: http://grc.com/port_1025.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 27 16:27:35 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:27:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: <013101c36cdf$2156f680$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <003401c36ce2$08a11910$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Thanks again Steve. Interesting. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Steven W. Erbach > Sent: 27 August 2003 22:04 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall > > > Andy, > > >> port 1025 << > > FWIW: http://grc.com/port_1025.htm > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built > applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause > the end of civilization. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 16:31:37 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:31:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4D2339.6000907@verizon.net> Erwin Craps wrote: > Not really > > All pc update from the server and only the server get the update over > the internet. > He only checks a number in an ini file on an ftp server. > Even in the case you would have the pc go to the internet it will be > cached by the proxy server.... > > It does not generate much of traffice. > > And by the way, I dont have any other choice in McAfee, its once a day > or once an hour... That is true, I have mine setup to once a day for McAfee and it is set to random checks so sometimes it's earlier or later ... and the pc is on 24/7 so it always runs at least once a day... -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 16:55:50 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:55:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4D28E6.9030707@verizon.net> Erwin Craps wrote: > This is a good tool to monitor all in and out gooing UDP/TCP port > connections. > Whenever I get paranoid, I look in to this... > > http://www.ntutility.com/freeware.html > > Its the Active Ports freeware tool. > But don't shoot me if it includes a Trojan... > > Erwin > > I just use TCPview from Systinterals... (no spyware). http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/tcpview.shtml -- -Francisco From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 16:55:51 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4D2257.1030602@verizon.net> Message-ID: Francisco, Thanks for the info. Does Sygate allow a range of ip addresses in their filter or do you have to enter a specific address? If a specific ip addy is needed that would be a problem for DHCP. John B. > > > I use Sygate and have not tried home networking but you can allow IP's > to come through your firewall at your will by setting a filter and > that's w/ out the pro. Pro has other neat features... > > > > -- > -Francisco From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Aug 27 17:19:46 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:19:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> Message-ID: It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Steven W. Erbach wrote: > VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never > needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the > primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave > jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks your stable OS. >>>Mozilla Thunderbird << > > > You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook > are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far no false positives. -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 17:42:27 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:42:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4D33D3.1050606@verizon.net> You can filter by: All Addresses Mac Address IP Address(es)ie (10.0.0.1, 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.76) Subnet (subnet IP Address, and subnet Mask) yes this is on the SPF not the PRO. -- -Francisco John Bartow wrote: > Francisco, > Thanks for the info. Does Sygate allow a range of ip addresses in their > filter or do you have to enter a specific address? If a specific ip addy is > needed that would be a problem for DHCP. > > John B. > > >> >> >>I use Sygate and have not tried home networking but you can allow IP's >>to come through your firewall at your will by setting a filter and >>that's w/ out the pro. Pro has other neat features... >> >> >> >>-- >>-Francisco From tortise at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 27 17:48:35 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:48:35 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com><002f01c36944$9bfe1b00$0900a8c0@P1200n> <000001c36c5a$7e281b80$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <092601c36ced$599ebc90$0900a8c0@P1200n> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton FirewallKewl Thanks Drew. What would be too many? 10 a day? I have no wish to have you blocked!! Kind regards, David _________________________________________________________________________ Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Drew Wutka To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today As long as you don't use it too frequently (because then I'll get blocked), you can use it from my site. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 17:57:03 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:57:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed, I've never had a problem either. But after reading of all the problems from the various newsletters, mags, etc. it seems to me that most of them occur on specific platforms or with specific and generally rare configurations. I did have an issue back with NT4 and IIRC SP2. But that was before I had an internet connection (and maybe before Windows Update). And I think everybody had that problem! John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:20 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I > have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba > laptop PII > 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - > "homebuilt"). > I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of > them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. > > Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated > their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all > SPs, updates. > Always worked. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > > VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have > never > > needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the > > primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave > > jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? > > I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can > (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more > images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ > nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update > unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks > your stable OS. > > >>>Mozilla Thunderbird << > > > > > > You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE > and Outlook > > are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. > > I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked > Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's > working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I > liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been > introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) > it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your > hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. > I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find > that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use > mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far > no false positives. > -- > -Francisco > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 17:57:04 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:57:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I forgot to mention GoBack (Win98/2k) and System Restore Points (with WinME/XP). Always make a restore point when doing any software installation and you have a quick way out of it. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:06 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steve, > Welcome to the world of paranoia! > > My Main PC: > Norton Internet Security - AV and Firewall w/auto update > Pest Patrol, Spybot search and destroy - to detect and remove malware > (adware, spyware, etc) > iHateSpam for Outlook spam filtering (and assorted other goodies that make > life easier when using the big pig) > Symantec Ghost for imaging > back up working user files to server > Server is backed up to tape with an OnStream tape backup. > > My Other machines: > AVG - AV w/daily updates > Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I > recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) > Panda AV and Firewall (has caused me some grief on Win98) w/daily updates > Gave up on McAfee - it always seemed to be the problem child of the mix. > (I have dozens of NAV installations with clients because it seems > to be the > most easily understandable by non-techies. I'm not implying it's > better than > the others though.) > > Note that some of the free firewalls do not allow for home > networking so you > can't share files, printers, internet connection, etc. I believe > zone alarm > and maybe sygate are of this nature although I don't remember which one it > was that I tried. You can by a "pro" version that allows for it though. > Maybe someone else can answer that? > > I subscribe to Woody's Windows Watch for advice on updates - he's > so cynical > it fun to read too :o) > > I also subscribe to W2kNews and SearchWin2000.com's newsletters which are > more technical but give a brief overview of each item. > > I use Windows ICS for my DHCP because I only have a dial-up so It doesn't > really warrant a router but I have client's where I use them. LinkSys > routers, etc. seem to be very good for their cost. Belkin and D-link are > also some of the less expensive brands but based on my experiences I'm not > going to recommend them. I've had problems with D-Link's cable modems and > Belkin's Wireless access points - neither of their tech. supports were of > any help. > > Good luck! > HTH > John B. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > > Erbach > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:50 PM > > To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two > weeks. I've been > > steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web > sites, but my > > own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet security > > is limited > > to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my home office. > > > > I have two main questions: > > > > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > > magazines, web sites, etc.? > > > > 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of > > darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) > > or hardware > > (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). > > 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? > > > > Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself > answering questions > > about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm asking > > you here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve Erbach > > Scientific Marketing > > Neenah, WI > > > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built > applications, the > > first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From tortise at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 27 18:04:52 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:04:52 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates References: Message-ID: <09ac01c36cef$a2887020$0900a8c0@P1200n> Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 18:10:14 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:10:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <001101c36cf0$6b8205e0$410cd018@W2k> John, >> OnStream tape backup << A bit outside my budget. I tried 2 HP SureStore 20e SCSI backup drives. Both failed within a year. Sheesh! About $450 apiece plus 40 or 50 backup tapes. I'm not real thrilled with tape backups. >> Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) << I have subscribed. Thanks for the tip. Lots of good advice here. I appreciate it. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From tortise at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 27 18:08:16 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:08:16 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <09b101c36cf0$198fc830$0900a8c0@P1200n> From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Steven W. Erbach wrote: > VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never > needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the > primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave > jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. NEW STARTS here! How do you "dump the image" back exactly. Sounds great. What software do you use? Does this work over an existing installation of W2K or XP with other programs installed???? I presume it doesn't and one has to reload all the programs. Is that what you mean? In that case the benefit is saving the chunk of time to recreate the drive back to that level? TIA Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 18:13:01 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:13:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4D3AFD.2090608@verizon.net> You my friend should fly to Vegas... you're lucky beyond your own limits! buy some lotto tickets... gamble on the big game... go down to the track.. do it now while you're still HOT! HOT! HOT!!!! all joking aside, you may either 1) not be running updates as often as you think. 2) not setting the pc's to auto-update. 3) not running that much software as to find the problems from each patch and hotfix. back when I still had my win98 machine (AMD K6-3D) I used to religiously update my system via the windows update, then they updated the program so that you could update w/o sending any info to Microsoft. This was the beginning for me... I downloaded security patch after security patch to find that my system eventually couldn't open IE w/o crashing... then I had to use a 2ndary browser like netscape 4 just to get back on the web. A co-worker of mine mentioned that he was on the windowsupdate bandwagon that was until PRE SP4 was loaded on his machine and he began to get wierd errors and eventually it affected his user profile. now he's not run a windows update since.. he loaded through SP2 for win2k, and all the required hotfixes to keep his system secure but nothing runs through the windowsupdate. Even so much as recently there have been reports of patches not working right like in winXP sp1 and it causing either slowdowns or lockouts... etc. you dont' have to take my word for it just read the problems that creep up continously on TechTV.com or Woodyswatch.com or other web-zines... -- -Francisco John Colby wrote: > It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I > have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII > 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). > I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of > them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. > > Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated > their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. > Always worked. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > >>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have > > never > >>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? > > > I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can > (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more > images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ > nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update > unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks > your stable OS. > > >>>>Mozilla Thunderbird << >> >> >>You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook >>are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. > > > I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked > Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's > working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I > liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been > introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) > it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your > hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. > I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find > that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use > mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far > no false positives. > -- > -Francisco From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Aug 27 18:11:16 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:11:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today References: <011001c3681d$c05c98a0$1500a8c0@marlow.com><002f01c36944$9bfe1b00$0900a8c0@P1200n><000001c36c5a$7e281b80$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <092601c36ced$599ebc90$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: <014401c36cf0$849405b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> RE: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewalltwo or three every hour probably is safe. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Tortise at Paradise To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today Kewl Thanks Drew. What would be too many? 10 a day? I have no wish to have you blocked!! Kind regards, David _________________________________________________________________________ Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Drew Wutka To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lots of Virii attempts today As long as you don't use it too frequently (because then I'll get blocked), you can use it from my site. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 18:13:14 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:13:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> Francisco, >> It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. Granted, you don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of get-up-and-go, a cloned drive wins hands down, I'd say. Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 18:26:14 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:26:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: Message-ID: <002101c36cf3$3a7dedd0$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> http://www.ntutility.com/freeware.html << I downloaded and installed it. It's better than netstat -a, that's for sure! Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 18:35:48 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:35:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: <3F4D28E6.9030707@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003301c36cf4$a1da3c80$410cd018@W2k> Francisco, >> I just use TCPview from Systinterals... (no spyware). << I downloaded and installed it. I notice that it wants to access the Internet whereas ActivePorts doesn't: 24.164.225.35:53. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From tortise at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 27 18:38:33 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:38:33 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k><3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <09e201c36cf4$542f9390$0900a8c0@P1200n> For what its worth a strategy I have employed is to use RAID IDE (mirroring) drives, use 3 drives, make two of them cold swappable, and at intervals swap the drives and copy the image to the "new" drive" Should all hell break loose you reinstall the old drive, and update and run off that one, and resume copying from there. It is very cost effective, although not tested in the sense of being really needed. Still I like these things happening on my terms. LOL Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Francisco, >> It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. Granted, you don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of get-up-and-go, a cloned drive wins hands down, I'd say. Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 27 18:44:16 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:44:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <001101c36cf0$6b8205e0$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: They are costly, a PITA and not really very reliable. I purchased this one back when the programming bucks were good :o) I bought the SCSI model with my Dell server and really can't say I've have any complaints about it. I would probably not go with a tape backup anymore. With the cost of hard drives these days you can set up a RAID system. Another idea would be to install an internal hard drive in a removable case if you want off-site backups. You could then either image your entire harddrive to the removable one do backups to it. I would think it would be less expensive and easier to manage than tape backups. Or there are always CDRs, & DVDs. John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > John, > > >> OnStream tape backup << > > A bit outside my budget. I tried 2 HP SureStore 20e SCSI backup > drives. Both > failed within a year. Sheesh! About $450 apiece plus 40 or 50 > backup tapes. > I'm not real thrilled with tape backups. > > >> Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I > recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) << > > I have subscribed. Thanks for the tip. > > Lots of good advice here. I appreciate it. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the > first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 27 18:58:36 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:58:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <007d01c36cf7$2440bc10$410cd018@W2k> John, >> They are costly, a PITA and not really very reliable. << Lemme hear ya say, "Amen!" >> I would think it would be less expensive and easier to manage than tape backups << At the moment I'm cloning to identical drives inside my PCs. If there's a fire... So, the advice about removable hard drives is very good. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Aug 27 19:40:48 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:40:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates In-Reply-To: <09ac01c36cef$a2887020$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: Yes, that can be done. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tortise at Paradise Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Aug 27 19:51:45 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:51:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4D3AFD.2090608@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, as I've stated before, anyone doing the XP thing.... I have been using 2K for many years and nary a problem. And yes, I run updates virtually weekly. Probably close to a hundred by now. I recently rebuilt one computer when I swapped my main disk, and ran updates for literally a full day (at cable modem speeds) getting them all installed. As for software, I am a developer. I have the .net thing going, Office 97/2k/XP, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Roxio, Streets & Trips, Adobe Photoshop, a slew of camera and digital video apps, several dot matrix printers, SQL Server, IIS, Yahoo / MSN / AOL chats, Chess.net for Windows, NAV and who knows what else. I am not exactly your typical clueless user using his komputr to surf the web. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures You my friend should fly to Vegas... you're lucky beyond your own limits! buy some lotto tickets... gamble on the big game... go down to the track.. do it now while you're still HOT! HOT! HOT!!!! all joking aside, you may either 1) not be running updates as often as you think. 2) not setting the pc's to auto-update. 3) not running that much software as to find the problems from each patch and hotfix. back when I still had my win98 machine (AMD K6-3D) I used to religiously update my system via the windows update, then they updated the program so that you could update w/o sending any info to Microsoft. This was the beginning for me... I downloaded security patch after security patch to find that my system eventually couldn't open IE w/o crashing... then I had to use a 2ndary browser like netscape 4 just to get back on the web. A co-worker of mine mentioned that he was on the windowsupdate bandwagon that was until PRE SP4 was loaded on his machine and he began to get wierd errors and eventually it affected his user profile. now he's not run a windows update since.. he loaded through SP2 for win2k, and all the required hotfixes to keep his system secure but nothing runs through the windowsupdate. Even so much as recently there have been reports of patches not working right like in winXP sp1 and it causing either slowdowns or lockouts... etc. you dont' have to take my word for it just read the problems that creep up continously on TechTV.com or Woodyswatch.com or other web-zines... -- -Francisco John Colby wrote: > It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I > have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII > 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). > I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of > them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. > > Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated > their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. > Always worked. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > >>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have > > never > >>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? > > > I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can > (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more > images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ > nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update > unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks > your stable OS. > > >>>>Mozilla Thunderbird << >> >> >>You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook >>are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. > > > I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked > Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's > working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I > liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been > introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) > it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your > hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. > I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find > that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use > mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far > no false positives. > -- > -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 27 20:24:53 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:24:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <007601c36cd8$18141190$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4D21A5.15659.124CD2@localhost> On 27 Aug 2003 at 15:09, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > I've bookmarked all of the links you sent me. What you said about > finding things out along the way is the only way I've learned anything > about the Internet or security or Access or what-have-you. > Certification courses just aren't in my budget. Sorry, that was kind of vague wasn't it. What I mean by "allong the way" is from the various links I get from the e-zines, emails from friends, casual conversations with folks. That kind of thing. If I hear about something that intrigues me, then I go and "research" it a bit. Just enough to be a Jack of all trades :-)) > Have you tried the e-mail stress tests available at Yep. > http://www.gfi.com/emailsecuritytest/ ? My OE was pretty shot through Yep. Pegasus didn't fail ANY of the tests. > >> I've even been known to reply to people, that I don't know who have > e-mailed me with questions about some of the stuff I have on my > website << > > So, what's your web site? http://www3.sympatico.ca/carbonnb/bryan/index.html > >> Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! << > > "Sense is not common" -- Robert A. Heinlein I think you'll like the sig on this e-mail :-)) > Thanks, Bryan. No problem. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying ^Damn... We ****ed up.^ From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Aug 27 23:58:12 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:58:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4D8BE4.7070405@shaw.ca> Here is a user security checklist for WinXP, on the site are Win2000 etc. http://www.uksecurityonline.com/husdg/wxpp2.php From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 02:35:11 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:35:11 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: I swear with backup tapes. Hard disks and ghosts stuffs backups are not suffuciant, they do not cover all risks. Things change to much to fast for disk or ghost backups. Most problems/corruptions are only noticiable after some time (days weeks,months), same thing for windows updates I must say my experiance lies at server backups and not pc's. My notebook is backupped every day by the server (Veritas) becuase that's the only comuter that contains data. In my experiance DAT tapes are wothless. All DAT tapes from HP above the 4/8GB capacity fail to work withing 1 to 2 years. They need weekly cleaning. TR tape drives or variants (On stream) do tend to work for pc's but I owuld not advice them to use them on a server. To slow to CPU intensive. I'm using/selling AIT drive for more than 3 years now, none of them has been cleaned (not necesary) and none of them failed in that period. AIT drives are (at my knowledge) the cheapest ? per GB and available in large capacities. I have a 35/70 but larger systems do exist now (50/100 for the rest I dont know). But it is a big investment, but I would have no doubt dooing it again. It I use about 13 tapes to backup, a week and month rotation and 4 tapes for off-line backups that are in the safe in the bank... -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:10 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures John, >> OnStream tape backup << A bit outside my budget. I tried 2 HP SureStore 20e SCSI backup drives. Both failed within a year. Sheesh! About $450 apiece plus 40 or 50 backup tapes. I'm not real thrilled with tape backups. >> Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) << I have subscribed. Thanks for the tip. Lots of good advice here. I appreciate it. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 02:37:34 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:37:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: They have some other great tools too... -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Erwin, >> http://www.ntutility.com/freeware.html << I downloaded and installed it. It's better than netstat -a, that's for sure! Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 02:39:54 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:39:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Message-ID: Aha I noticed that to, it normal. Aports does not resolve the IP's into names straightaway (only after clicking on it). TCPview resolves al IP in to names in the list. I did liked that... But it makes it a bit slower loading but htat is not really an issue. Thats why it connects to the internet, to resolve the names. I supose :-) -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:36 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall Francisco, >> I just use TCPview from Systinterals... (no spyware). << I downloaded and installed it. I notice that it wants to access the Internet whereas ActivePorts doesn't: 24.164.225.35:53. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Aug 28 02:22:51 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:22:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates In-Reply-To: <09ac01c36cef$a2887020$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: <006101c36d35$31244260$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> > can one machine download > them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied > to all machines my side of the firewall without being > downloaded by each of em? Yep. Go to the Windows Update page and select Personalise Windows Update. In there tick the box to Display Link to Windows Update Catalog. Once ticked another option (Windows Update Catalog of course) appears. By using that you can get to downloads of patches. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Tortise at Paradise > Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates > > > Hi > I am experimenting with Windows Updates. > What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files > how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download > them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied > to all machines my side of the firewall without being > downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - > Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine > manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried > it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The > home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows > updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a > "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" > computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows > update religiously and have never had a problem on any of > them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. > > Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and > regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. > Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 02:50:48 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:50:48 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: I once knew a power supply putted more than 5/12 volt on both drives... And both death... I use RAID mirrors (hardware) but a disk mirror is only usefull for a disk crash, not a system crash. If your OS crashes your mirror is a mirror of your crashed system :-( Number one rule in good backups is: The backups should be in a other location!!! For reason of -Fire -Water -Accidents (wire trippling) -Terrorists acts.. -Hackers -Virusses -Stupidities For what concerns removable disks. You know that any (ATA) disk above 512MB should be used on the controller/bios that formatted the drive. If you write on a disk formatted by an other system (controller) you risk corrupting the drive. This is due to the sector translating trics controllers use (or something). In my experiance I never had any problem reading a drive (installed as a second disk). Writing does give problems inmediate or after a while (can be months). I don't know the story with USB/Firewire, but I supose the controller is in the disk box and this should not be a problem. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures John, >> They are costly, a PITA and not really very reliable. << Lemme hear ya say, "Amen!" >> I would think it would be less expensive and easier to manage than tape backups << At the moment I'm cloning to identical drives inside my PCs. If there's a fire... So, the advice about removable hard drives is very good. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 02:58:22 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:58:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Message-ID: A sold computer never leaves the company with a full update. Never had any problem. I once a problem (two weeks ago) with a customer that did an windows update. His W2K system would not boot. I found an MSKB article about this and its was due to a wrong sequence of updates. A updates needed an NTKERN form another update that was not installed yet. Replacing the NTKERN by an older solved the issue after which I installed al other updates. I would not recommand automatic updating for a whole computerpark. I believe in, first a trial computer, let it work for a week, and then the rest (at once).... In case of automatice updates or manual (all computers in one time), in case of a problem you have lost all your computers at once... Better 1 contained problem than 1 huge problem :-) Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates > can one machine download > them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied > to all machines my side of the firewall without being > downloaded by each of em? Yep. Go to the Windows Update page and select Personalise Windows Update. In there tick the box to Display Link to Windows Update Catalog. Once ticked another option (Windows Update Catalog of course) appears. By using that you can get to downloads of patches. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Tortise at Paradise > Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates > > > Hi > I am experimenting with Windows Updates. > What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files > how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download > them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied > to all machines my side of the firewall without being > downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - > Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine > manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried > it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The > home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Colby" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows > updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a > "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" > computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows > update religiously and have never had a problem on any of > them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. > > Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and > regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. > Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 04:29:38 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:29:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449822@ALCUXB> I mean setting the permissions on files and folders to only the user accounts on my pc to be allowed access. Also any folders that are shared are shared with a $ after the name, ie \\alcstore\tyddaj$ (which is my network storage folder here) means that it can't even be seen when browsing. you HAVE to know it exists to try and find it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 27 August 2003 21:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Jon, I have a similar setup to yours except that I use Norton AV with no spam killers. I also don't have Spybot. But ZoneAlarm Pro, Windows 2000, and AdAware. >> I'm running Windows 2000, with all the permissions tightly set up << What do you mean by "tightly set up?" Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 04:32:37 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:32:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449824@ALCUXB> "Maybe someone else can answer that?" You can certainly use a home network with Zonealarm pro - I do! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 27 August 2003 22:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Steve, Welcome to the world of paranoia! My Main PC: Norton Internet Security - AV and Firewall w/auto update Pest Patrol, Spybot search and destroy - to detect and remove malware (adware, spyware, etc) iHateSpam for Outlook spam filtering (and assorted other goodies that make life easier when using the big pig) Symantec Ghost for imaging back up working user files to server Server is backed up to tape with an OnStream tape backup. My Other machines: AVG - AV w/daily updates Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) Panda AV and Firewall (has caused me some grief on Win98) w/daily updates Gave up on McAfee - it always seemed to be the problem child of the mix. (I have dozens of NAV installations with clients because it seems to be the most easily understandable by non-techies. I'm not implying it's better than the others though.) Note that some of the free firewalls do not allow for home networking so you can't share files, printers, internet connection, etc. I believe zone alarm and maybe sygate are of this nature although I don't remember which one it was that I tried. You can by a "pro" version that allows for it though. Maybe someone else can answer that? I subscribe to Woody's Windows Watch for advice on updates - he's so cynical it fun to read too :o) I also subscribe to W2kNews and SearchWin2000.com's newsletters which are more technical but give a brief overview of each item. I use Windows ICS for my DHCP because I only have a dial-up so It doesn't really warrant a router but I have client's where I use them. LinkSys routers, etc. seem to be very good for their cost. Belkin and D-link are also some of the less expensive brands but based on my experiences I'm not going to recommend them. I've had problems with D-Link's cable modems and Belkin's Wireless access points - neither of their tech. supports were of any help. Good luck! HTH John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:50 PM > To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Dear Group, > > Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've > been steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web > sites, but my own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet > security is limited to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my > home office. > > I have two main questions: > > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > magazines, web sites, etc.? > > 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of > darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or > hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). > 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? > > Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering > questions about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm > asking you here. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, > the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of > civilization. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 04:39:35 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:39:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449827@ALCUXB> The only problem I've found with a windows update was with win2k SP3 creating DCOM errors on older systems... By older, I mean high end p2's and low end p3's. I had to rebuild a couple of them, so gave up installing it on them at work. I tried SP4 on a pc I was building for my brother at home, and it worked, so they appear to have corrected the error. But that's been it... Although I have noticed that since I installed the Lovsan patch last week, on more than a few pc's the Internet Explorer icon has disappeared from the desktop... Any ideas??? Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 27 August 2003 23:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Steven W. Erbach wrote: > VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never > needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of > the primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the > master/slave jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, > right? I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks your stable OS. >>>Mozilla Thunderbird << > > > You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and > Outlook are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far no false positives. -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 04:43:50 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:43:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449828@ALCUXB> If you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads you can find all the big downloads there. Download them and save them onto a central pc/file server and share them across the network. That's what I do at work... Got SP4, ie6 sp1, directx9.0b etc... I only download the smaller updates and driver files on individual pc's. If you have a windows 2000 server (running the server edition of the software), you might want to look into the SUS (System Updates Service) at microsoft.com. I've been looking at implementing it here, but they seem reluctant to give me a new server just to install updates. I might point out how if I could have got all the lovsan patches on quicker, we might not have lost a couple of days to repatching and virus scanning everything again :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz] Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. 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URL: From tortise at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 28 04:47:54 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:47:54 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <0a7a01c36d49$ac784830$0900a8c0@P1200n> I use RAID mirrors (hardware) but a disk mirror is only usefull for a disk crash, not a system crash. If your OS crashes your mirror is a mirror of your crashed system :-( =>Yep, that's why there is a 3rd drive in the system I described. You just plug in the third, remove the first two and the 3rd will run. (This can be readily tested during drive swaps.) Then overwrite the other two in turn. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures I once knew a power supply putted more than 5/12 volt on both drives... And both death... Number one rule in good backups is: The backups should be in a other location!!! For reason of -Fire -Water -Accidents (wire trippling) -Terrorists acts.. -Hackers -Virusses -Stupidities For what concerns removable disks. You know that any (ATA) disk above 512MB should be used on the controller/bios that formatted the drive. If you write on a disk formatted by an other system (controller) you risk corrupting the drive. This is due to the sector translating trics controllers use (or something). In my experiance I never had any problem reading a drive (installed as a second disk). Writing does give problems inmediate or after a while (can be months). I don't know the story with USB/Firewire, but I supose the controller is in the disk box and this should not be a problem. Erwin From tortise at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 28 05:06:51 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:06:51 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windows 2K Updates References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449828@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <0aa501c36d4c$1a43f830$0900a8c0@P1200n> RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updatesmmm Seems there are two options - control panel / Automatic updates / "Download the updates automatically and notify me again before installing them on my computer" - But where does this save the files??? There is no option given. The beauty of this is it is automatic and does not involve the very manual process of going to the Microsoft download site (2nd option) and selecting stuff to download. But perhaps this is a little ahead of what is available??? (I'd like to select them at this point and copy the files I want to other PC's) I must say the NAV updates seem to work pretty well, need the occasional re-boot, but are pretty reliable. Presumably this model has impressed Microsoft as being workable. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates If you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads you can find all the big downloads there. Download them and save them onto a central pc/file server and share them across the network. That's what I do at work... Got SP4, ie6 sp1, directx9.0b etc... I only download the smaller updates and driver files on individual pc's. If you have a windows 2000 server (running the server edition of the software), you might want to look into the SUS (System Updates Service) at microsoft.com. I've been looking at implementing it here, but they seem reluctant to give me a new server just to install updates. I might point out how if I could have got all the lovsan patches on quicker, we might not have lost a couple of days to repatching and virus scanning everything again :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz] Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:16:53 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:16:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windows 2K Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44982A@ALCUXB> it saves them as temporary files which won't be deleted when you do a disk clean up... if you've got a few pc's to install the upgrades on, or a slow bandwidth connection, I'd recommend downloading the big patches from the catalogue site - win2k sp4 is 130mb!!! I downloaded the big updates and let the individual machines get the smaller ones themselves. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz] Sent: 28 August 2003 11:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windows 2K Updates mmm Seems there are two options - control panel / Automatic updates / "Download the updates automatically and notify me again before installing them on my computer" - But where does this save the files??? There is no option given. The beauty of this is it is automatic and does not involve the very manual process of going to the Microsoft download site (2nd option) and selecting stuff to download. But perhaps this is a little ahead of what is available??? (I'd like to select them at this point and copy the files I want to other PC's) I must say the NAV updates seem to work pretty well, need the occasional re-boot, but are pretty reliable. Presumably this model has impressed Microsoft as being workable. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates If you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads you can find all the big downloads there. Download them and save them onto a central pc/file server and share them across the network. That's what I do at work... Got SP4, ie6 sp1, directx9.0b etc... I only download the smaller updates and driver files on individual pc's. If you have a windows 2000 server (running the server edition of the software), you might want to look into the SUS (System Updates Service) at microsoft.com. I've been looking at implementing it here, but they seem reluctant to give me a new server just to install updates. I might point out how if I could have got all the lovsan patches on quicker, we might not have lost a couple of days to repatching and virus scanning everything again :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz ] Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _____ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 06:55:09 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:55:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D8BE4.7070405@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004101c36d5b$7bb5a820$410cd018@W2k> Marty, Thanks for that link! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 07:01:54 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:01:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <004a01c36d5c$e35ce280$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> AIT << Just found a used SONY SDX-300C STD SE for $149 on Ebay. How much are the tape cartridges? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 07:04:08 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:04:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: Message-ID: <004b01c36d5c$e38949b0$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> Thats why it connects to the internet, to resolve the names. I supose :-) << It seemed to resolve the names all right even if I denied it access to the Internet...provided, of course, that I understand correctly what "resolve the names" means! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 07:08:22 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:08:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <007c01c36d5d$c8b495d0$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> If you write on a disk formatted by an other system (controller) you risk corrupting the drive. This is due to the sector translating trics controllers use (or something). << Is this true for non-removable drives? I ask because I've swapped drives around when assembling new systems using existing drives. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 07:10:12 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:10:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449822@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <007d01c36d5d$c8df7660$410cd018@W2k> Jon, >> you HAVE to know it exists to try and find it. << Thanks, Jon. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 07:36:56 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:36:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, I generated a batch file that copies all of the CHANGED files from a given path to another path. I then run that from my windows scheduler once a day. The batch file looks like: xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy "c:\dOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS" "e:\Backup\documents and settings" /E /Y /C /M /I As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. However there is no reason why it couldn't be a mapped drive on a completely different machine, or for that matter even a ftp up to a directory on the net if I wanted to pay for disk storage out there. I call this "backup on the cheap" John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:22 AM To: '[dba-Tech]' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Arthur, Just to be clear, are we talking about your personal computers, or clients? Because, with today's prices on hard drive storage, why bother with removable media? Just put your images on another hard drive. For personal use, I would doubt that most people using removable media for backups are using it as it was intended...off-site storage. Unless you are storing your backups off-site, another hard drive serves the same purpose, is faster, and in the long run, a cost efficient alternative. I just purchased 2 160GB disks to go along with my 2 80GB drives. With all the discounts and rebates each 7200 RPM, 160GB drive with 8MB cache cost just $100 USD. That seems like plenty of room for images;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 28 07:37:24 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:37:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44982D@ALCUXB> John That's inspired... What do all the individual switches mean? I've only got a vague memory of DOS I'm afraid :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 28 August 2003 13:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures BTW, I generated a batch file that copies all of the CHANGED files from a given path to another path. I then run that from my windows scheduler once a day. The batch file looks like: xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy "c:\dOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS" "e:\Backup\documents and settings" /E /Y /C /M /I As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. However there is no reason why it couldn't be a mapped drive on a completely different machine, or for that matter even a ftp up to a directory on the net if I wanted to pay for disk storage out there. I call this "backup on the cheap" John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:22 AM To: '[dba-Tech]' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Arthur, Just to be clear, are we talking about your personal computers, or clients? Because, with today's prices on hard drive storage, why bother with removable media? Just put your images on another hard drive. For personal use, I would doubt that most people using removable media for backups are using it as it was intended...off-site storage. Unless you are storing your backups off-site, another hard drive serves the same purpose, is faster, and in the long run, a cost efficient alternative. I just purchased 2 160GB disks to go along with my 2 80GB drives. With all the discounts and rebates each 7200 RPM, 160GB drive with 8MB cache cost just $100 USD. That seems like plenty of room for images;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 28 08:32:05 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:32:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44982D@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <3F4E90F5.3251.2308372@localhost> On 28 Aug 2003 at 13:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > John > > That's inspired... What do all the individual switches mean? I've only got a > vague memory of DOS I'm afraid :-) > RTFM :-) >From W2K Help: Xcopy Copies files and directories, including subdirectories. xcopy source [destination] [/w] [/p] [/c] [/v] [/q] [/f] [/l] [/d[:date]] [/u] [/i] [/s [/e]] [/t] [/k] [/r] [/h] [/a|/m] [/n] [/exclude:filename] [/y | /-y] [/z] Parameters source Specifies the location and names of the files you want to copy. This parameter must include either a drive or a path. destination Specifies the destination of the files you want to copy. This parameter can include a drive letter and colon, a directory name, a file name, or a combination. /w Displays the following message and waits for your response before starting to copy files: Press any key to begin copying file(s) /p Prompts you to confirm whether you want to create each destination file. /c Ignores errors. /v Verifies each file as it is written to the destination file to make sure that the destination files are identical to the source files. This switch is ignored because the functionality is inherent to the Windows 2000 operating system. The switch is accepted only for compatibility with previous versions of MS-DOS. /q Suppresses display of xcopy messages. /f Displays source and destination file names while copying. /l Does not copy files, only displays (lists) files that would be copied. /d[:date] Copies only source files changed on or after the specified date. If the date value is missing, xcopy copies all source files that are newer than the time of existing destination files. This option allows you to update only files that have changed. If you specify a date, use a hyphen (-) as the separator rather than a forward slash (/) so that the date is not interpreted as another parameter. /u Copies (updates) only files from source that exist on destination. /i If source is a directory or contains wildcards, and destination does not exist, xcopy assumes destination specifies a directory name and creates a new directory then copies all specified files into the new directory. By default, xcopy will prompt you to specify whether destination is a file or directory. /s Copies directories and subdirectories, unless they are empty. If you omit this switch, xcopy works within a single directory. /e Copies all subdirectories, even if they are empty. Used with the /s and /t switches. /t Copies only subdirectory structure (tree), not files. To copy empty directories, you must include the /e switch. /k Copies files and retains the read-only attribute on destination files if present on the source files. By default, the read-only attribute is removed. /r Copies over read-only files. /h Copies files with the hidden and system file attributes. The xcopy command does not copy hidden or system files by default. /a Copies only source files that have their archive file attributes set. This switch does not modify the archive file attribute of the source file. For information about how to set the archive file attribute, see the attrib command. /m Copies source files that have their archive file attributes set. Unlike the /a switch, the /m switch turns off archive file attributes in the files specified in source. For information about how to set the archive file attribute, click attrib in the Related Topics list[JG1]. /n Copies using NTFS short file or directory names. This switch is required when copying files or directories from an NTFS volume to a FAT volume or when the FAT file system naming convention (8.3) is required on the destination volume. The destination file system may be FAT or NTFS. /exclude:filename Excludes the files listed in the specified file from the copy operation. The exclusion file can have a list of exclusion patterns (one per line, no wildcard characters are supported). If any exclusion pattern in the file matches any part of the path of a subject file, that file is not copied. /y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. The /y switch may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-y on the command line. The default is to prompt on overwrites unless the copy command is being executed from within a batch script. To append files, specify a single file for destination, but multiple files for source (using wildcards or file1+file2+file3 format). /-y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /z Copies over a network in restartable mode. If the connection is lost during the copy phase (for example, if the server going offline severs the connection), it will resume after the connection has been re-established. Using this command switch also displays the percentage of the copy operation completed for each file. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 28 08:33:12 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:33:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4E9138.20079.2318958@localhost> On 28 Aug 2003 at 8:36, John Colby wrote: > As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. > This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the > copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the > xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev > (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the > E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. Great minds think alike. I use exactly the same method :-) -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Aug 28 08:41:10 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:41:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: >RTFM LOL...I use that one quite a bit...so much so, that I've considered adding it to my resume as one of my unique strengths. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures On 28 Aug 2003 at 13:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > John > > That's inspired... What do all the individual switches mean? I've only > got a vague memory of DOS I'm afraid :-) > RTFM :-) >From W2K Help: Xcopy Copies files and directories, including subdirectories. xcopy source [destination] [/w] [/p] [/c] [/v] [/q] [/f] [/l] [/d[:date]] [/u] [/i] [/s [/e]] [/t] [/k] [/r] [/h] [/a|/m] [/n] [/exclude:filename] [/y | /-y] [/z] Parameters source Specifies the location and names of the files you want to copy. This parameter must include either a drive or a path. destination Specifies the destination of the files you want to copy. This parameter can include a drive letter and colon, a directory name, a file name, or a combination. /w Displays the following message and waits for your response before starting to copy files: Press any key to begin copying file(s) /p Prompts you to confirm whether you want to create each destination file. /c Ignores errors. /v Verifies each file as it is written to the destination file to make sure that the destination files are identical to the source files. This switch is ignored because the functionality is inherent to the Windows 2000 operating system. The switch is accepted only for compatibility with previous versions of MS-DOS. /q Suppresses display of xcopy messages. /f Displays source and destination file names while copying. /l Does not copy files, only displays (lists) files that would be copied. /d[:date] Copies only source files changed on or after the specified date. If the date value is missing, xcopy copies all source files that are newer than the time of existing destination files. This option allows you to update only files that have changed. If you specify a date, use a hyphen (-) as the separator rather than a forward slash (/) so that the date is not interpreted as another parameter. /u Copies (updates) only files from source that exist on destination. /i If source is a directory or contains wildcards, and destination does not exist, xcopy assumes destination specifies a directory name and creates a new directory then copies all specified files into the new directory. By default, xcopy will prompt you to specify whether destination is a file or directory. /s Copies directories and subdirectories, unless they are empty. If you omit this switch, xcopy works within a single directory. /e Copies all subdirectories, even if they are empty. Used with the /s and /t switches. /t Copies only subdirectory structure (tree), not files. To copy empty directories, you must include the /e switch. /k Copies files and retains the read-only attribute on destination files if present on the source files. By default, the read-only attribute is removed. /r Copies over read-only files. /h Copies files with the hidden and system file attributes. The xcopy command does not copy hidden or system files by default. /a Copies only source files that have their archive file attributes set. This switch does not modify the archive file attribute of the source file. For information about how to set the archive file attribute, see the attrib command. /m Copies source files that have their archive file attributes set. Unlike the /a switch, the /m switch turns off archive file attributes in the files specified in source. For information about how to set the archive file attribute, click attrib in the Related Topics list[JG1]. /n Copies using NTFS short file or directory names. This switch is required when copying files or directories from an NTFS volume to a FAT volume or when the FAT file system naming convention (8.3) is required on the destination volume. The destination file system may be FAT or NTFS. /exclude:filename Excludes the files listed in the specified file from the copy operation. The exclusion file can have a list of exclusion patterns (one per line, no wildcard characters are supported). If any exclusion pattern in the file matches any part of the path of a subject file, that file is not copied. /y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. The /y switch may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-y on the command line. The default is to prompt on overwrites unless the copy command is being executed from within a batch script. To append files, specify a single file for destination, but multiple files for source (using wildcards or file1+file2+file3 format). /-y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /z Copies over a network in restartable mode. If the connection is lost during the copy phase (for example, if the server going offline severs the connection), it will resume after the connection has been re-established. Using this command switch also displays the percentage of the copy operation completed for each file. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 08:58:43 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:58:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44982D@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measuresJon, Open a dos box. Type in xcopy /? to get a list of all switches. C:\>xcopy /? Copies files and directory trees. XCOPY source [destination] [/A | /M] [/D[:date]] [/P] [/S [/E]] [/V] [/W] [/C] [/I] [/Q] [/F] [/L] [/H] [/R] [/T] [/U] [/K] [/N] [/O] [/X] [/Y] [/-Y] [/Z] [/EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]...] source Specifies the file(s) to copy. destination Specifies the location and/or name of new files. /A Copies only files with the archive attribute set, doesn't change the attribute. /M Copies only files with the archive attribute set, turns off the archive attribute. /D:m-d-y Copies files changed on or after the specified date. If no date is given, copies only those files whose source time is newer than the destination time. /EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]... Specifies a list of files containing strings. When any of the strings match any part of the absolute path of the file to be copied, that file will be excluded from being copied. For example, specifying a string like \obj\ or .obj will exclude all files underneath the directory obj or all files with the .obj extension respectively. /P Prompts you before creating each destination file. /S Copies directories and subdirectories except empty ones. /E Copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones. Same as /S /E. May be used to modify /T. /V Verifies each new file. /W Prompts you to press a key before copying. /C Continues copying even if errors occur. /I If destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assumes that destination must be a directory. /Q Does not display file names while copying. /F Displays full source and destination file names while copying. /L Displays files that would be copied. /H Copies hidden and system files also. /R Overwrites read-only files. /T Creates directory structure, but does not copy files. Does not include empty directories or subdirectories. /T /E includes empty directories and subdirectories. /U Copies only files that already exist in destination. /K Copies attributes. Normal Xcopy will reset read-only attributes. /N Copies using the generated short names. /O Copies file ownership and ACL information. /X Copies file audit settings (implies /O). /Y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /-Y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /Z Copies networked files in restartable mode. The switch /Y may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line. Therefore the switches I use: /E /Y /C /M /I mean: Copy directories and sub directories Suppress prompt to copy over existing file Continue copy even if error occurs (file open for example) *** Copy only files with the archive attribute - turn off attribute THIS is the one that handles copying only the changed files. When any program is opened, Windows sets the archive attribute to denote that it has changed. This switch says only copy the files with the archive attribute set (have changed) and then CLEAR that attribute (say the file has been backed up) *** Assume destination is a directory This process is VERY fast using disk-disk on the same machine. Since only changed files get copied I never have to worry about work being lost. It is fast enough that you could probably even set it up to do it once an hour if you were really paranoid. I have a UPS for every machine with a cable going to the machine and software installed telling the machine that power has failed and the machine needs to close windows gracefully if the power is off for more than about 2 minutes. This works well so I don't need to worry about power outages corrupting things on me. My "Backup on the cheap" handles my DATA backup pretty much without a hitch. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures John That's inspired... What do all the individual switches mean? I've only got a vague memory of DOS I'm afraid :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 28 August 2003 13:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures BTW, I generated a batch file that copies all of the CHANGED files from a given path to another path. I then run that from my windows scheduler once a day. The batch file looks like: xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy "c:\dOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS" "e:\Backup\documents and settings" /E /Y /C /M /I As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. However there is no reason why it couldn't be a mapped drive on a completely different machine, or for that matter even a ftp up to a directory on the net if I wanted to pay for disk storage out there. I call this "backup on the cheap" John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 28 09:28:49 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:28:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449824@ALCUXB> Message-ID: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measuresJon, I was refferring to the free version not "pro". I'm quite sure now that, at least the free version I downloaded about 6 months ago did not allow for home networking. It could have changed but then I'm not going to keep trying something every couple of months. I was not impressed by it in comparison with Norton's firewall - and I know that's not a fair comparison because I was comaparing norton's full pay for product with Zone Alarm's free product. But that's why some companies offer a free download of the full version for trial use? So people don't jump to conclusions about their software based on a crippled version. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with ZoneAlarm Pro, I just simply don't know. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:33 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures "Maybe someone else can answer that?" You can certainly use a home network with Zonealarm pro - I do! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 27 August 2003 22:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Steve, Welcome to the world of paranoia! My Main PC: Norton Internet Security - AV and Firewall w/auto update Pest Patrol, Spybot search and destroy - to detect and remove malware (adware, spyware, etc) iHateSpam for Outlook spam filtering (and assorted other goodies that make life easier when using the big pig) Symantec Ghost for imaging back up working user files to server Server is backed up to tape with an OnStream tape backup. My Other machines: AVG - AV w/daily updates Sophos - AV w/daily updates (by far the best info on new viruses - I recommend you subscribe to their email notification list) Panda AV and Firewall (has caused me some grief on Win98) w/daily updates Gave up on McAfee - it always seemed to be the problem child of the mix. (I have dozens of NAV installations with clients because it seems to be the most easily understandable by non-techies. I'm not implying it's better than the others though.) Note that some of the free firewalls do not allow for home networking so you can't share files, printers, internet connection, etc. I believe zone alarm and maybe sygate are of this nature although I don't remember which one it was that I tried. You can by a "pro" version that allows for it though. Maybe someone else can answer that? I subscribe to Woody's Windows Watch for advice on updates - he's so cynical it fun to read too :o) I also subscribe to W2kNews and SearchWin2000.com's newsletters which are more technical but give a brief overview of each item. I use Windows ICS for my DHCP because I only have a dial-up so It doesn't really warrant a router but I have client's where I use them. LinkSys routers, etc. seem to be very good for their cost. Belkin and D-link are also some of the less expensive brands but based on my experiences I'm not going to recommend them. I've had problems with D-Link's cable modems and Belkin's Wireless access points - neither of their tech. supports were of any help. Good luck! HTH John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:50 PM > To: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Dear Group, > > Computer security grabbed the headlines over the last two weeks. I've > been steadily adding to a Favorites list of security-related web > sites, but my own understanding of the issues in computer and Internet > security is limited to what I read and what I've done on the PCs in my > home office. > > I have two main questions: > > 1) What resources do you turn to for security information -- books, > magazines, web sites, etc.? > > 2) What things have you done on your own PCs to battle the forces of > darkness? Software (anti-virus, password encryption, firewalls) or > hardware (routers, proxy servers, firewalls, etc.). > 2a) What was it about these products that recommended themselves to you? > > Thank you for your input in advance. I've found myself answering > questions about security that I'm not too sure about. That's why I'm > asking you here. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, > the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of > civilization. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 10:25:02 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:25:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Thats same as mine... I supose thats a second hand because thats really cheap... This streamer uses 35/70GB tapes Dont know the price by heart, SONY and Compaq has those tapes. Maybe Imation to (3M). Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 14:02 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Erwin, >> AIT << Just found a used SONY SDX-300C STD SE for $149 on Ebay. How much are the tape cartridges? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 10:32:51 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:32:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Yes, also for some removable types. I seen some removable boxes where you can put your on ATA disk in... As soon when you use the ATA (IDE) controller in the computer you can have this. When the IDE controllers (on the mainboard) uses the same chipset you should not have that problem, but i would not bet on that. There is also a rule that says that you need to format the drive in the position you gonna use it. Some pc the disk is verticaly mounted some horizontaly. If you change the orientation this could lead to troubles. A reformat is advised. Nobody does it, but that something else... But I'm positivly sure mixing controllers (IDE/ATA but not SCSI) can lead to corruptions if not reformatted. I believe (it would be very stuppid if not) that any USB/firewire does not have this prob because the controller is built in the box... Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 14:08 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Erwin, >> If you write on a disk formatted by an other system (controller) you risk corrupting the drive. This is due to the sector translating trics controllers use (or something). << Is this true for non-removable drives? I ask because I've swapped drives around when assembling new systems using existing drives. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 10:34:20 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:34:20 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Yes but this wont deleted removed files!!! Why don't you just use the backup in windows and backup to a file??? Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 14:37 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures BTW, I generated a batch file that copies all of the CHANGED files from a given path to another path. I then run that from my windows scheduler once a day. The batch file looks like: xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy "c:\dOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS" "e:\Backup\documents and settings" /E /Y /C /M /I As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. However there is no reason why it couldn't be a mapped drive on a completely different machine, or for that matter even a ftp up to a directory on the net if I wanted to pay for disk storage out there. I call this "backup on the cheap" John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:22 AM To: '[dba-Tech]' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Arthur, Just to be clear, are we talking about your personal computers, or clients? Because, with today's prices on hard drive storage, why bother with removable media? Just put your images on another hard drive. For personal use, I would doubt that most people using removable media for backups are using it as it was intended...off-site storage. Unless you are storing your backups off-site, another hard drive serves the same purpose, is faster, and in the long run, a cost efficient alternative. I just purchased 2 160GB disks to go along with my 2 80GB drives. With all the discounts and rebates each 7200 RPM, 160GB drive with 8MB cache cost just $100 USD. That seems like plenty of room for images;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 11:12:41 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:12:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <09b101c36cf0$198fc830$0900a8c0@P1200n> References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <09b101c36cf0$198fc830$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: <3F4E29F9.7060107@verizon.net> Tortise at Paradise wrote: > From: "Francisco H Tapia" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > >>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have never >>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? > > > I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can > (depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more > images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ > nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. > > NEW STARTS here! > How do you "dump the image" back exactly. Sounds great. What software do you use? Does this work over an existing installation of > W2K or XP with other programs installed???? I presume it doesn't and one has to reload all the programs. Is that what you mean? > In that case the benefit is saving the chunk of time to recreate the drive back to that level? > TIA > Kind regards, dump the image refers to copying the image of a hdd back to a destination partition or disk. When using Norton Ghost software you are given the choice of mirroring (copying) a disk, or creating an image. You are also given a choice of writing back to the source disk by dumping the image back to the disk. I think the menu calls it copy but I've grown accustom to the command line arguments that I commonly refer to it by it's actual parameter name 'dump' an image is just that... a complete copy of the original, thus if you had office, sql server, iis and the like loaded, you would not have to re-load all the data back.... to write back to the disk does not take too long at all, this of course depends on your hdd setup, It commonly takes me about 15-30 minutes depending on the size of the disk... for anything greater than 40gig I believe it takes about 30 minutes.... i've seen it take longer too, for a 60 gig hdd, the IS took like 2.5 hrs just to get the partition right.. but this of course was also cuz they plugged in the 2 drives off the same channel. something you would not want to do when imaging or mirroring... most commonly you'd want the max output of your drive thus moving it to an isolated channel, unless of course you use SCSI. :) -- -Francisco From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 11:30:42 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <00b201c36d81$d659bd40$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> Thats same as mine... I supose thats a second hand because thats really cheap... << Correct, the drive as listed on Ebay is used. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 11:32:23 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:32:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <00b901c36d82$0aa83e00$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> There is also a rule that says that you need to format the drive in the position you gonna use it. Some pc the disk is verticaly mounted some horizontaly. If you change the orientation this could lead to troubles. A reformat is advised. Nobody does it, but that something else... << I remember that precaution, but I thought that that was only applicable to the old drives that had landing zones on them. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 12:03:42 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4E35EE.7020703@verizon.net> Steven W. Erbach wrote: > Francisco, > > >>>It's quite a bit > > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << > > And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. Granted, you > don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of get-up-and-go, a cloned > drive wins hands down, I'd say. > > Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. > > Regards, you're right about saving time.. hands down you have very little downtime. (I keep a ghost bootable cd just to speed up my rebuild time ;o)). The only issue I see, and it's really MS's fault for doing this, is that when you load win2k or XP for that matter, it collects a guid representation of your hdd and stores it in the registry. One time when I first ghosted w/ win2k I could not for the life of me figure out why the loaded drive was reading 10gig and the backup drive was reading 40... low and behold the problem was attributed to win2k reading this guid and even tho the original drive was jumped as a slave, it became the primary C:... very odd. So to fix this you'd have to first go into the registry and select HKEY_LOCAL_Machine\SYSTEM\MountedDevices and delete the guid for the C: drive... then on a reboot you'll see that they are recognized as jumped. -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 12:18:19 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:18:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall In-Reply-To: <003301c36cf4$a1da3c80$410cd018@W2k> References: <3F4D28E6.9030707@verizon.net> <003301c36cf4$a1da3c80$410cd018@W2k> Message-ID: <3F4E395B.1010009@verizon.net> Steven W. Erbach wrote: > Francisco, > > >>>I just use TCPview from Systinterals... (no spyware). << > > > I downloaded and installed it. I notice that it wants to access the Internet > whereas ActivePorts doesn't: 24.164.225.35:53. > > Regards, I honestly don't know who that is... It's not the sysinternals' site so are you sure this is from TCPView? These are the results for www.sysinternals.com which resolves to... ---------------------------------------------- Search results for: 216.142.16.242 Broadwing Communications, Inc. BROADWING-NET (NET-216-140-0-0-1) 216.140.0.0 - 216.143.255.255 Cincinnati Bell Technology Solutions BRW-11043-CBTS (NET-216-142-16-0-1) 216.142.16.0 - 216.142.31.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-27 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. ----------------------------------------------- Search results for: 24.164.225.35 OrgName: Road Runner OrgID: RRMA Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road City: Herndon StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20171 Country: US NetRange: 24.160.0.0 - 24.170.127.255 CIDR: 24.160.0.0/13, 24.168.0.0/15, 24.170.0.0/17 NetName: ROAD-RUNNER-5 NetHandle: NET-24-160-0-0-1 Parent: NET-24-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: DNS1.RR.COM NameServer: DNS2.RR.COM NameServer: DNS3.RR.COM NameServer: DNS4.RR.COM Comment: RegDate: 2000-06-09 Updated: 2002-08-22 TechHandle: ZS30-ARIN TechName: ServiceCo LLC TechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 TechEmail: abuse at rr.com OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE10-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at rr.com OrgTechHandle: IPTEC-ARIN OrgTechName: IP Tech OrgTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgTechEmail: abuse at rr.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-27 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 12:21:36 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:21:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <09e201c36cf4$542f9390$0900a8c0@P1200n> References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k><3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> <09e201c36cf4$542f9390$0900a8c0@P1200n> Message-ID: <3F4E3A20.5070006@verizon.net> Raid IDE is more for fail safe rather than stability... by that I mean.. you install a patch lets say SP4 on win2k, and your machine begins to act quirky, well your mirrored drives are gonna have that install of sp4... as opposed to having mirrored or ghosted the drive prior to the sp4 install. -- -Francisco Tortise at Paradise wrote: > For what its worth a strategy I have employed is to use RAID IDE (mirroring) drives, use 3 drives, make two of them cold swappable, > and at intervals swap the drives and copy the image to the "new" drive" > Should all hell break loose you reinstall the old drive, and update and run off that one, and resume copying from there. > It is very cost effective, although not tested in the sense of being really needed. Still I like these things happening on my > terms. LOL > Kind regards, > David > Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! > Automated major search engine manager > Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? > http://www.engines2go.com/ > http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven W. Erbach" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Francisco, > > >>>It's quite a bit > > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << > > And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. Granted, you > don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of get-up-and-go, a cloned > drive wins hands down, I'd say. > > Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. > > Regards, > From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 12:20:02 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:20:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mainly because the windows built-in backup is soooooo crappy I could never figure out how to use it? Even when I could, I could never get it to back up to anything except tape. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Yes but this wont deleted removed files!!! Why don't you just use the backup in windows and backup to a file??? Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 14:37 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures BTW, I generated a batch file that copies all of the CHANGED files from a given path to another path. I then run that from my windows scheduler once a day. The batch file looks like: xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I xcopy "c:\dOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS" "e:\Backup\documents and settings" /E /Y /C /M /I As you can see, I am simply doing an XCopy from my D:\Dev to e:\Backup. This copies the entire directory the first time. The switches cause the copy to only copy CHANGED files, thus the second and subsequent times the xcopy is darned fast. However if I create a new client directory in my dev (development) directory, it is automatically backed up. In this case, the E: drive is a second physical drive in the same machine. However there is no reason why it couldn't be a mapped drive on a completely different machine, or for that matter even a ftp up to a directory on the net if I wanted to pay for disk storage out there. I call this "backup on the cheap" John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:22 AM To: '[dba-Tech]' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Arthur, Just to be clear, are we talking about your personal computers, or clients? Because, with today's prices on hard drive storage, why bother with removable media? Just put your images on another hard drive. For personal use, I would doubt that most people using removable media for backups are using it as it was intended...off-site storage. Unless you are storing your backups off-site, another hard drive serves the same purpose, is faster, and in the long run, a cost efficient alternative. I just purchased 2 160GB disks to go along with my 2 80GB drives. With all the discounts and rebates each 7200 RPM, 160GB drive with 8MB cache cost just $100 USD. That seems like plenty of room for images;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:09 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures My chief problem is that the hard disks are so big now (80GB) that I need a DVD burner to put the backups on! It reminds of the bad old days when I used FastBack and about 50 floppies :-) And something would always go wrong at about disk 37. Where do you put your ghosts? Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Not really. I do regular windows updates, and the AVG update is on automatic for every 3 days. I do backups and ghosts every once in a while just incase, though. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 12:31:10 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:31:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4E3C5E.9010909@verizon.net> Like I said John, run out and get yourself into some gambling.. you are just hitting winners, with that luck you won't ever have to work another day in your life ;o) why rebuilt? what happend? -- -Francisco John Colby wrote: > Well, as I've stated before, anyone doing the XP thing.... > > I have been using 2K for many years and nary a problem. And yes, I run > updates virtually weekly. Probably close to a hundred by now. I recently > rebuilt one computer when I swapped my main disk, and ran updates for > literally a full day (at cable modem speeds) getting them all installed. As > for software, I am a developer. I have the .net thing going, Office > 97/2k/XP, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Roxio, Streets & Trips, Adobe Photoshop, a > slew of camera and digital video apps, several dot matrix printers, SQL > Server, IIS, Yahoo / MSN / AOL chats, Chess.net for Windows, NAV and who > knows what else. > > I am not exactly your typical clueless user using his komputr to surf the > web. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:13 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > > You my friend should fly to Vegas... you're lucky beyond your own > limits! buy some lotto tickets... gamble on the big game... go down to > the track.. do it now while you're still HOT! HOT! HOT!!!! > > all joking aside, you may either > 1) not be running updates as often as you think. > 2) not setting the pc's to auto-update. > 3) not running that much software as to find the problems from each > patch and hotfix. > > back when I still had my win98 machine (AMD K6-3D) I used to religiously > update my system via the windows update, then they updated the program > so that you could update w/o sending any info to Microsoft. This was > the beginning for me... I downloaded security patch after security patch > to find that my system eventually couldn't open IE w/o crashing... then > I had to use a 2ndary browser like netscape 4 just to get back on the web. > > A co-worker of mine mentioned that he was on the windowsupdate bandwagon > that was until PRE SP4 was loaded on his machine and he began to get > wierd errors and eventually it affected his user profile. now he's not > run a windows update since.. he loaded through SP2 for win2k, and all > the required hotfixes to keep his system secure but nothing runs through > the windowsupdate. Even so much as recently there have been reports of > patches not working right like in winXP sp1 and it causing either > slowdowns or lockouts... etc. you dont' have to take my word for it > just read the problems that creep up continously on TechTV.com or > Woodyswatch.com or other web-zines... > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > John Colby wrote: > > >>It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I >>have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop > > PII > >>233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - > > "homebuilt"). > >>I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of >>them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. >> >>Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated >>their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, > > updates. > >>Always worked. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.colbyconsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >>Tapia >>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures >> >> >>Steven W. Erbach wrote: >> >> >>>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have >> >>never >> >> >>>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? >> >> >>I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can >>(depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more >>images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ >>nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit >>easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image >>on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update >>unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks >>your stable OS. >> >> >> >>>>>Mozilla Thunderbird << >>> >>> >>>You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook >>>are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. >> >> >>I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked >>Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's >>working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I >>liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been >>introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) >>it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your >>hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. >>I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find >>that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use >>mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far >>no false positives. >>-- >>-Francisco From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 28 12:28:50 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:28:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4E35EE.7020703@verizon.net> Message-ID: IIRC there is a utility that comes with Ghost for changing the GUID. I think you have to dig through the CD or manual to discover it though!?! John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:04 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > > Francisco, > > > > > >>>It's quite a bit > > > > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << > > > > And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. > Granted, you > > don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of > get-up-and-go, a cloned > > drive wins hands down, I'd say. > > > > Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. > > > > Regards, > > you're right about saving time.. hands down you have very little > downtime. (I keep a ghost bootable cd just to speed up my rebuild time > ;o)). The only issue I see, and it's really MS's fault for doing this, > is that when you load win2k or XP for that matter, it collects a guid > representation of your hdd and stores it in the registry. One time when > I first ghosted w/ win2k I could not for the life of me figure out why > the loaded drive was reading 10gig and the backup drive was reading > 40... low and behold the problem was attributed to win2k reading this > guid and even tho the original drive was jumped as a slave, it became > the primary C:... very odd. So to fix this you'd have to first go into > the registry and select HKEY_LOCAL_Machine\SYSTEM\MountedDevices and > delete the guid for the C: drive... then on a reboot you'll see that > they are recognized as jumped. > > > -- > -Francisco > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Thu Aug 28 12:39:06 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:39:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. natural primary keys... Message-ID: <000f01c36d8b$491ffa20$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, AFAIKR a while ago there was posted in AccessD a ref on a very good online article discussing surrogate primary keys approach vs. natural keys - could you please repost here its URL? - I wanted to show it to the customer... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Aug 28 12:38:34 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:38:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: <3F4D28E6.9030707@verizon.net> <003301c36cf4$a1da3c80$410cd018@W2k> <3F4E395B.1010009@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3F4E3E1A.7030000@shaw.ca> I believe this address is the Domain Name Server used by your ISP. Francisco H Tapia wrote: > Steven W. Erbach wrote: > >> Francisco, >> >> >>>> I just use TCPview from Systinterals... (no spyware). << >>> >> >> >> I downloaded and installed it. I notice that it wants to access the >> Internet >> whereas ActivePorts doesn't: 24.164.225.35:53. >> >> Regards, > > > I honestly don't know who that is... It's not the sysinternals' site > so are you sure this is from TCPView? > > These are the results for www.sysinternals.com which resolves to... > ---------------------------------------------- > Search results for: 216.142.16.242 > > Broadwing Communications, Inc. BROADWING-NET (NET-216-140-0-0-1) > 216.140.0.0 - 216.143.255.255 > Cincinnati Bell Technology Solutions BRW-11043-CBTS (NET-216-142-16-0-1) > 216.142.16.0 - 216.142.31.255 > > # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-27 19:15 > # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Search results for: 24.164.225.35 > > > OrgName: Road Runner > OrgID: RRMA > Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road > City: Herndon > StateProv: VA > PostalCode: 20171 > Country: US > > NetRange: 24.160.0.0 - 24.170.127.255 > CIDR: 24.160.0.0/13, 24.168.0.0/15, 24.170.0.0/17 > NetName: ROAD-RUNNER-5 > NetHandle: NET-24-160-0-0-1 > Parent: NET-24-0-0-0-0 > NetType: Direct Allocation > NameServer: DNS1.RR.COM > NameServer: DNS2.RR.COM > NameServer: DNS3.RR.COM > NameServer: DNS4.RR.COM > Comment: > RegDate: 2000-06-09 > Updated: 2002-08-22 > > TechHandle: ZS30-ARIN > TechName: ServiceCo LLC > TechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 > TechEmail: abuse at rr.com > > OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE10-ARIN > OrgAbuseName: Abuse > OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416 > OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at rr.com > > OrgTechHandle: IPTEC-ARIN > OrgTechName: IP Tech > OrgTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 > OrgTechEmail: abuse at rr.com > > # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-08-27 19:15 > # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. > > From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 12:44:23 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:44:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: <3F4E3C5E.9010909@verizon.net> Message-ID: Ran out of room on the disk. Bigger disk = rebuild. Back in the old days, I would get a 40mb disk drive and partition it into two pieces - 15 / 25 or so, so that I had a "data drive" and a "system" drive. Inevitably the "C:" (System) drive would fill up. Now I have a 120g drive, partitioned 40 / 80. With the whole darned world installed I still have 23mb available on the system drive. And I don't buy the luck thing, too long using it on too many computers with no problems. I would buy "flaky computers" on the part of those with problems though. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Like I said John, run out and get yourself into some gambling.. you are just hitting winners, with that luck you won't ever have to work another day in your life ;o) why rebuilt? what happend? -- -Francisco John Colby wrote: > Well, as I've stated before, anyone doing the XP thing.... > > I have been using 2K for many years and nary a problem. And yes, I run > updates virtually weekly. Probably close to a hundred by now. I recently > rebuilt one computer when I swapped my main disk, and ran updates for > literally a full day (at cable modem speeds) getting them all installed. As > for software, I am a developer. I have the .net thing going, Office > 97/2k/XP, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Roxio, Streets & Trips, Adobe Photoshop, a > slew of camera and digital video apps, several dot matrix printers, SQL > Server, IIS, Yahoo / MSN / AOL chats, Chess.net for Windows, NAV and who > knows what else. > > I am not exactly your typical clueless user using his komputr to surf the > web. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:13 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > > You my friend should fly to Vegas... you're lucky beyond your own > limits! buy some lotto tickets... gamble on the big game... go down to > the track.. do it now while you're still HOT! HOT! HOT!!!! > > all joking aside, you may either > 1) not be running updates as often as you think. > 2) not setting the pc's to auto-update. > 3) not running that much software as to find the problems from each > patch and hotfix. > > back when I still had my win98 machine (AMD K6-3D) I used to religiously > update my system via the windows update, then they updated the program > so that you could update w/o sending any info to Microsoft. This was > the beginning for me... I downloaded security patch after security patch > to find that my system eventually couldn't open IE w/o crashing... then > I had to use a 2ndary browser like netscape 4 just to get back on the web. > > A co-worker of mine mentioned that he was on the windowsupdate bandwagon > that was until PRE SP4 was loaded on his machine and he began to get > wierd errors and eventually it affected his user profile. now he's not > run a windows update since.. he loaded through SP2 for win2k, and all > the required hotfixes to keep his system secure but nothing runs through > the windowsupdate. Even so much as recently there have been reports of > patches not working right like in winXP sp1 and it causing either > slowdowns or lockouts... etc. you dont' have to take my word for it > just read the problems that creep up continously on TechTV.com or > Woodyswatch.com or other web-zines... > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > John Colby wrote: > > >>It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I >>have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop > > PII > >>233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - > > "homebuilt"). > >>I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of >>them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. >> >>Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated >>their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, > > updates. > >>Always worked. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.colbyconsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >>Tapia >>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures >> >> >>Steven W. Erbach wrote: >> >> >>>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have >> >>never >> >> >>>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? >> >> >>I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can >>(depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more >>images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ >>nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit >>easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image >>on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update >>unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks >>your stable OS. >> >> >> >>>>>Mozilla Thunderbird << >>> >>> >>>You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook >>>are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. >> >> >>I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked >>Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's >>working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I >>liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been >>introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) >>it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your >>hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. >>I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find >>that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use >>mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far >>no false positives. >>-- >>-Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 12:46:37 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:46:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. natural primary keys... In-Reply-To: <000f01c36d8b$491ffa20$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: http://www.dbpd.com/vault/9805xtra.htm John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:39 PM To: dba - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. natural primary keys... Hi All, AFAIKR a while ago there was posted in AccessD a ref on a very good online article discussing surrogate primary keys approach vs. natural keys - could you please repost here its URL? - I wanted to show it to the customer... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Aug 28 12:55:54 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:55:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: uhhh... that would be 23 gb. 8~) John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures Ran out of room on the disk. Bigger disk = rebuild. Back in the old days, I would get a 40mb disk drive and partition it into two pieces - 15 / 25 or so, so that I had a "data drive" and a "system" drive. Inevitably the "C:" (System) drive would fill up. Now I have a 120g drive, partitioned 40 / 80. With the whole darned world installed I still have 23mb available on the system drive. And I don't buy the luck thing, too long using it on too many computers with no problems. I would buy "flaky computers" on the part of those with problems though. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Like I said John, run out and get yourself into some gambling.. you are just hitting winners, with that luck you won't ever have to work another day in your life ;o) why rebuilt? what happend? -- -Francisco John Colby wrote: > Well, as I've stated before, anyone doing the XP thing.... > > I have been using 2K for many years and nary a problem. And yes, I run > updates virtually weekly. Probably close to a hundred by now. I recently > rebuilt one computer when I swapped my main disk, and ran updates for > literally a full day (at cable modem speeds) getting them all installed. As > for software, I am a developer. I have the .net thing going, Office > 97/2k/XP, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Roxio, Streets & Trips, Adobe Photoshop, a > slew of camera and digital video apps, several dot matrix printers, SQL > Server, IIS, Yahoo / MSN / AOL chats, Chess.net for Windows, NAV and who > knows what else. > > I am not exactly your typical clueless user using his komputr to surf the > web. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:13 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > > You my friend should fly to Vegas... you're lucky beyond your own > limits! buy some lotto tickets... gamble on the big game... go down to > the track.. do it now while you're still HOT! HOT! HOT!!!! > > all joking aside, you may either > 1) not be running updates as often as you think. > 2) not setting the pc's to auto-update. > 3) not running that much software as to find the problems from each > patch and hotfix. > > back when I still had my win98 machine (AMD K6-3D) I used to religiously > update my system via the windows update, then they updated the program > so that you could update w/o sending any info to Microsoft. This was > the beginning for me... I downloaded security patch after security patch > to find that my system eventually couldn't open IE w/o crashing... then > I had to use a 2ndary browser like netscape 4 just to get back on the web. > > A co-worker of mine mentioned that he was on the windowsupdate bandwagon > that was until PRE SP4 was loaded on his machine and he began to get > wierd errors and eventually it affected his user profile. now he's not > run a windows update since.. he loaded through SP2 for win2k, and all > the required hotfixes to keep his system secure but nothing runs through > the windowsupdate. Even so much as recently there have been reports of > patches not working right like in winXP sp1 and it causing either > slowdowns or lockouts... etc. you dont' have to take my word for it > just read the problems that creep up continously on TechTV.com or > Woodyswatch.com or other web-zines... > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > John Colby wrote: > > >>It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I >>have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop > > PII > >>233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - > > "homebuilt"). > >>I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of >>them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. >> >>Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated >>their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, > > updates. > >>Always worked. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.colbyconsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >>Tapia >>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures >> >> >>Steven W. Erbach wrote: >> >> >>>VERY good advice. I use Norton Ghost on a regular basis though I have >> >>never >> >> >>>needed to make the Ghosted drive the main drive due to a failure of the >>>primary. I assume that all that needs to be done is for the master/slave >>>jumpers to be moved around and you're back in business, right? >> >> >>I create images not ghost to a mirror drive... the diffrence is you can >>(depending on the amount of data on your main hdd) have 2-3 or more >>images on one hdd... I've got an old 300mb Original image for win2k w/ >>nothing loaded except the SP2 patch and Office 2000. It's quite a bit >>easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image >>on it placing you back before the patch was installed. Windows Update >>unfortunately loads a whole lotta stuff that more often than not breaks >>your stable OS. >> >> >> >>>>>Mozilla Thunderbird << >>> >>> >>>You're one of quite a number of people that have said that OE and Outlook >>>are to be avoided. Thanks for the input. >> >> >>I was a DIE hard OE user until very recently... I have never liked >>Outlook because it causes system instability and that's when it's >>working right!... The main reason that I always stuck w/OE was because I >>liked the integration between it and Hotmail, but have recently been >>introduced w/ a little program called Hotmail Popper (www.boolean.ca) >>it's very neat... you can now use ANY email program to access your >>hotmail account, and it's free.. and works.. so far so good at least.. >>I've been using ThunderMail full time now for almost a week and find >>that all the features I liked in OE are better in Tbird. PLUS now I use >>mailwasher less because Tbird has built in Junk Mail detection... so far >>no false positives. >>-- >>-Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 13:04:19 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:04:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Norton Firewall References: <3F4D28E6.9030707@verizon.net> <003301c36cf4$a1da3c80$410cd018@W2k> <3F4E395B.1010009@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002401c36d90$96ae2820$410cd018@W2k> Francisco, >> I honestly don't know who that is... It's not the sysinternals' site so are you sure this is from TCPView? << No, ZoneAlarm popped up a warning that TCPView wanted access to the Internet. The Destination IP is listed as 24.164.225.35. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 13:07:16 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:07:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net> <008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k> <3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net> <001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> <3F4E35EE.7020703@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002501c36d90$96da8f50$410cd018@W2k> Francisco, >> One time when I first ghosted w/ win2k I could not for the life of me figure out why the loaded drive was reading 10gig and the backup drive was reading 40... low and behold the problem was attributed to win2k reading this guid and even tho the original drive was jumped as a slave, it became the primary C:... very odd << Thank you very much for that advice. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Thu Aug 28 13:21:15 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:21:15 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. naturalprimary keys... References: Message-ID: <000901c36d91$2e5fed70$b501010a@PARIS> THNX a lot John! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. naturalprimary keys... > http://www.dbpd.com/vault/9805xtra.htm > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:39 PM > To: dba - Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. natural > primary keys... > > > Hi All, > > AFAIKR a while ago there was posted in AccessD a ref on a very good online > article discussing surrogate primary keys approach vs. natural keys - could > you please repost here its URL? - I wanted to show it to the customer... > > TIA, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 14:19:11 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:19:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4E55AF.5060900@verizon.net> John Bartow wrote: > IIRC there is a utility that comes with Ghost for changing the GUID. I think > you have to dig through the CD or manual to discover it though!?! You're think SID (or PID) which is the identification of the workstation on the network... -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 14:26:31 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:26:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Article about surrogate primary keys vs. natural primary keys... In-Reply-To: <000f01c36d8b$491ffa20$b501010a@PARIS> References: <000f01c36d8b$491ffa20$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <3F4E5767.2010008@verizon.net> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Hi All, > > AFAIKR a while ago there was posted in AccessD a ref on a very good online > article discussing surrogate primary keys approach vs. natural keys - could > you please repost here its URL? - I wanted to show it to the customer... > http://www.dbpd.com/vault/9805xtra.htm -- -Francisco From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 28 14:42:38 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:42:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Park zone you mean, A drive has always a park zone. The old drives (very old MFM drive) could not be mounted verticaly due to te mechanical park did not worked. No, this still an issue due to the arm's sligtly different hang and reaction. But is is allowed to mount verticaly, but format need to be done after mounting in the position its gonna be used. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Erwin, >> There is also a rule that says that you need to format the drive in >> the position you gonna use it. Some pc the disk is verticaly mounted some horizontaly. If you change the orientation this could lead to troubles. A reformat is advised. Nobody does it, but that something else... << I remember that precaution, but I thought that that was only applicable to the old drives that had landing zones on them. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 14:47:50 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:47:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4E5C66.9050703@verizon.net> John Colby wrote: > Ran out of room on the disk. Bigger disk = rebuild. Not necessarily... you could have avoided all that w/ Ghost by imaging the partition to the new drive... or if you own Partition Magic it's even easier to resize partitions. > Back in the old days, I would get a 40mb disk drive and partition it into > two pieces - 15 / 25 or so, so that I had a "data drive" and a "system" > drive. Inevitably the "C:" (System) drive would fill up. > > Now I have a 120g drive, partitioned 40 / 80. With the whole darned world > installed I still have 23mb available on the system drive. > > And I don't buy the luck thing, too long using it on too many computers with > no problems. I would buy "flaky computers" on the part of those with > problems though. I would agree with you on that last comment IF the only system it would have happend would have been my old PCchips board. But it's happened on all sorts of systems... it doesn't matter if it was a genuine intel board or something from via w/o all the drivers on it or one of the pre 700series SiS chipsets... ...additionally problems have crept up on Dell, Compaq, HP, and Gateway systems which are you average everyday computer user's pc's. MOST of my side-job, extra $$ has come from people I know who ran the Windows Update religiously until it broke their pc... at which point they brought it to me to rebuild it for them. I run a clean install w/ the critical SP's and hotfixes... ghost to CD, then do another w/ all their basic software and ghost to CD (usually 2). finally when the system is compelte w/ Firewall I run a final ghost and give all cd's back to them and advise them to save their data files to their 2ndary disk (when available). -- -Francisco From tortise at paradise.net.nz Thu Aug 28 16:03:36 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:03:36 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures RAID References: <3F4CCE9B.7040309@verizon.net><008d01c36cd8$7c3e9dc0$410cd018@W2k><3F4D1FD9.40803@verizon.net><001901c36cf1$d2db4750$410cd018@W2k> <09e201c36cf4$542f9390$0900a8c0@P1200n> <3F4E3A20.5070006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006d01c36da7$d98c6a50$0900a8c0@P1200n> I agree. I must be really poor at explaining. The third drive is outside the machine and in this scenario would not receive the SP4. If the two mirrored drives fell over they can be removed and the 3rd run initially on its own...without the SP4 on it. I understood the option for RAID were security or speed. I was not aware stability was related, presuming the RAID setup is "proper". I promote it here solely for security, and for the integrated set of benefits one gets. Certainly one would need, to retrieve a running disc, to plug the disc back into the RAID controller. (Same model, brand may work but there would be an element of risk in that) Forget trying to run the setup disc on a standard IDE controller. And yes I use the xcopy also. My brother wrote a fancy backup script in vb and its clever (http://www.cheqsoft.com/other.html) but I find plain old xcopy does the job. I prefer to see it as smart and quick, but not "cheap". Also there are more options for doing backups to say a day of the week etc. HDD are fast, economic and large. Smart! Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Raid IDE is more for fail safe rather than stability... by that I mean.. you install a patch lets say SP4 on win2k, and your machine begins to act quirky, well your mirrored drives are gonna have that install of sp4... as opposed to having mirrored or ghosted the drive prior to the sp4 install. -- -Francisco Tortise at Paradise wrote: > For what its worth a strategy I have employed is to use RAID IDE (mirroring) drives, use 3 drives, make two of them cold swappable, > and at intervals swap the drives and copy the image to the "new" drive" > Should all hell break loose you reinstall the old drive, and update and run off that one, and resume copying from there. > It is very cost effective, although not tested in the sense of being really needed. Still I like these things happening on my > terms. LOL > Kind regards, > David > Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! > Automated major search engine manager > Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? > http://www.engines2go.com/ > http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven W. Erbach" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Francisco, > > >>>It's quite a bit > > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << > > And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. Granted, you > don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of get-up-and-go, a cloned > drive wins hands down, I'd say. > > Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. > > Regards, > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 28 16:16:56 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:16:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures References: Message-ID: <002901c36daa$565206b0$410cd018@W2k> Erwin, >> No, this still an issue due to the arm's sligtly different hang and reaction. << Well, I'll be. I never thought that that was a problem these days, what with laptops and all. Heck, people practically throw them around. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 18:39:10 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:39:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file Message-ID: <3F4E5A5E.13987.4AA69A@localhost> Is it possible to start and stop IIS froma .bat file? What I am trying to do is be able to stop Apache and start IIS from one .bat file and from another stop IIS and start Apache. I know the Apache commands, but I don't know the IIS commands. Any takers? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca There are two ways to write bug-free code; only the third way works. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 19:06:12 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:06:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file In-Reply-To: <3F4E5A5E.13987.4AA69A@localhost> Message-ID: <3F4E60B4.7150.63659C@localhost> On 28 Aug 2003 at 19:39, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Is it possible to start and stop IIS froma .bat file? Never mind. I found it. Here are my two bat files: 1. Stop Apache / Start IIS # Stop Apache net stop apache #Start IIS net start w3svc 2. Stop IIS / Start Apache #Stop IIS net stop iisadmin /y #Start Apache net start apache -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca We're all here because we're not all there. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 29 01:53:59 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:53:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures RAID Message-ID: Uptime is the key word in RAID. It has speed avantages AND dis-advantages. RAID5 is cheap (per GB) but slow in writing due to the parity bit calculation. It is said not to use RAID 5 for SQL databases... Ghosting al soud good, but in my experience unusable for on-line equipment. You can not put a ghost back to a server running SQL server or a website (active) or a mailsever. You would need both a ghost and a current backup (off or on-line). My self I have dayly dealine at 8h30 in the morning seven days a week. To be able to fast recuperate from a crash I take 5 backups a day.. 1 full (on-line), 2 partial, 2 database only. Of course this is for my server. If you don't have an on-line system (no mail server, database server, no active website). I supose you could use a ghost. A ghost could be a solution to get yur clean working system back working again. But this principle is also covered by a good backup software. Disaster Recovery is the name (the principle) Just boot from the cd and your backup will be compleetly restored... But then you need a fast tape streamer depeding on how fast you want to be back on-line... However eritas now (i goto that but no tested yet) has also an option tu use disks now for backups. Erwin Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 23:04 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures RAID I agree. I must be really poor at explaining. The third drive is outside the machine and in this scenario would not receive the SP4. If the two mirrored drives fell over they can be removed and the 3rd run initially on its own...without the SP4 on it. I understood the option for RAID were security or speed. I was not aware stability was related, presuming the RAID setup is "proper". I promote it here solely for security, and for the integrated set of benefits one gets. Certainly one would need, to retrieve a running disc, to plug the disc back into the RAID controller. (Same model, brand may work but there would be an element of risk in that) Forget trying to run the setup disc on a standard IDE controller. And yes I use the xcopy also. My brother wrote a fancy backup script in vb and its clever (http://www.cheqsoft.com/other.html) but I find plain old xcopy does the job. I prefer to see it as smart and quick, but not "cheap". Also there are more options for doing backups to say a day of the week etc. HDD are fast, economic and large. Smart! Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Raid IDE is more for fail safe rather than stability... by that I mean.. you install a patch lets say SP4 on win2k, and your machine begins to act quirky, well your mirrored drives are gonna have that install of sp4... as opposed to having mirrored or ghosted the drive prior to the sp4 install. -- -Francisco Tortise at Paradise wrote: > For what its worth a strategy I have employed is to use RAID IDE > (mirroring) drives, use 3 drives, make two of them cold swappable, > and at intervals swap the drives and copy the image to the "new" > drive" Should all hell break loose you reinstall the old drive, and > update and run off that one, and resume copying from there. It is very > cost effective, although not tested in the sense of being really > needed. Still I like these things happening on my terms. LOL Kind > regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! > Automated major search engine manager > Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? > http://www.engines2go.com/ > http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven W. Erbach" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures > > > Francisco, > > >>>It's quite a bit > > easier this way cuz you can just take your corrupted OS dump the image > on it placing you back before the patch was installed. << > > And that's where I thought a cloned drive would be simpler yet. > Granted, you don't have multiple image backups. But for ease of > get-up-and-go, a cloned drive wins hands down, I'd say. > > Thanks for the extra details about OE. Very persuasive arguments. > > Regards, > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 29 01:55:39 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:55:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures Message-ID: Thats why they put things like S.M.A.R.T in to drives. Automatic cluster error control and data recovery... Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Verzonden: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 23:17 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures Erwin, >> No, this still an issue due to the arm's sligtly different hang and reaction. << Well, I'll be. I never thought that that was a problem these days, what with laptops and all. Heck, people practically throw them around. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 29 02:01:12 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:01:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file Message-ID: Stopping should work starting IIS admin is not sufficient. FTP WW server etc and even proxy server will not start. Look up the full names of all IIS services in services. If you stop IIS admin hey will give you the dependent services. Use NET STOP "full name of the service" /Y Or NET START "full name of the service" Mind the order that you start the services... Pay attention sometimes you can stop other serices you would not think of. Like a virusscanner or firewall Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Verzonden: vrijdag 29 augustus 2003 2:06 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file On 28 Aug 2003 at 19:39, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Is it possible to start and stop IIS froma .bat file? Never mind. I found it. Here are my two bat files: 1. Stop Apache / Start IIS # Stop Apache net stop apache #Start IIS net start w3svc 2. Stop IIS / Start Apache #Stop IIS net stop iisadmin /y #Start Apache net start apache -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca We're all here because we're not all there. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 29 04:52:55 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:52:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F4EEA37.21140.24EB5D@localhost> On 29 Aug 2003 at 9:01, Erwin Craps wrote: > Stopping should work starting IIS admin is not sufficient. > FTP WW server etc and even proxy server will not start. Actaully, what I posted worked. I didn't start the iisadmin service. I started the w3svc Starting the w3svc starts the World Wide Web Publishing Service, which is what serves up web pages. Stopping iisadmin stops all the running iis services which is what I'm after as well I don't have the need for FTP or SMTP to be running at all, so no need to start or stop them. > Look up the full names of all IIS services in services. If I was so inclined, how do you look up the name of the service? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams From tortise at paradise.net.nz Fri Aug 29 05:26:38 2003 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (Tortise@Paradise) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:26:38 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windows 2K Updates Message-ID: <002701c36e18$08863730$0900a8c0@P1200n> RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows UpdatesWell I found some files: C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\wuaudnld.tmp\cabs These seem to be the downloaded update files, and they are all in *.exe format. I'll try these on another machine and let you know. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tortise at Paradise To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windows 2K Updates mmm Seems there are two options - control panel / Automatic updates / "Download the updates automatically and notify me again before installing them on my computer" - But where does this save the files??? There is no option given. The beauty of this is it is automatic and does not involve the very manual process of going to the Microsoft download site (2nd option) and selecting stuff to download. But perhaps this is a little ahead of what is available??? (I'd like to select them at this point and copy the files I want to other PC's) I must say the NAV updates seem to work pretty well, need the occasional re-boot, but are pretty reliable. Presumably this model has impressed Microsoft as being workable. Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates If you go to www.microsoft.com/downloads you can find all the big downloads there. Download them and save them onto a central pc/file server and share them across the network. That's what I do at work... Got SP4, ie6 sp1, directx9.0b etc... I only download the smaller updates and driver files on individual pc's. If you have a windows 2000 server (running the server edition of the software), you might want to look into the SUS (System Updates Service) at microsoft.com. I've been looking at implementing it here, but they seem reluctant to give me a new server just to install updates. I might point out how if I could have got all the lovsan patches on quicker, we might not have lost a couple of days to repatching and virus scanning everything again :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Tortise at Paradise [mailto:tortise at paradise.net.nz] Sent: 28 August 2003 00:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security measures - Windcows Updates Hi I am experimenting with Windows Updates. What I'd like to know, is, given they can be such HUGE files how do I manage the loading i.e. can one machine download them, hold them, (As is an option) and then they be applied to all machines my side of the firewall without being downloaded by each of em? Kind regards, David Engines2Go - Now THAT's a Search Engine! Automated major search engine manager Makes searching quicker and easier - Have you tried it? http://www.engines2go.com/ http://www.cheqsoft.com/ The home of Clipboard Express, MP3 Detective, TimesOwn and Break Reminder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Security measures It's strange that so many people report problems with Windows updates. I have 4 computers - an OLD dual Pentium II 233, a "newer" Toshiba laptop PII 233, and two ~2 year old "modern" computers (1.4g AMD Athlon - "homebuilt"). I run windows update religiously and have never had a problem on any of them. Win2K Pro, Office 97/2k/XP, NAV, etc. Further I was the Sys Admin for the screw company and regularly updated their ~12 computers - Gateway / Dell. Always just applied all SPs, updates. Always worked. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. 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Problem is to know what the short is.... -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file On 29 Aug 2003 at 9:01, Erwin Craps wrote: > Stopping should work starting IIS admin is not sufficient. FTP WW > server etc and even proxy server will not start. Actaully, what I posted worked. I didn't start the iisadmin service. I started the w3svc Starting the w3svc starts the World Wide Web Publishing Service, which is what serves up web pages. Stopping iisadmin stops all the running iis services which is what I'm after as well I don't have the need for FTP or SMTP to be running at all, so no need to start or stop them. > Look up the full names of all IIS services in services. If I was so inclined, how do you look up the name of the service? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jim.hale at fleetpride.com Fri Aug 29 15:16:46 2003 From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:16:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063950CA@corp-es00> I think I have an old copy. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Font weirdness and windows patches. Jim, After I sent you that suggestion, I went to the Bitstream web site and saw that they apparently no longer market their font manager. I got it in the Corel Office 2000 suite. I don't know where else to get it. Sorry. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI If architects built buildings the way programmers built applications, the first woodpecker to come along would cause the end of civilization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 29 18:58:53 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:58:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F4FB07D.32763.469C2F@localhost> On 29 Aug 2003 at 15:37, Erwin Craps wrote: > In control panel services.... > The names that are uses in this list are the full names. > > "Microsoft bla bla bla" or the short. > Problem is to know what the short is.... Thanks. I didn't know you could use the long name I always assumed (yes, yes, I know never assume :-) that you had to use the short name. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I'm not a complete idiot some parts are missing. From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Aug 29 23:31:44 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time for new computer In-Reply-To: <008401c3680f$fc51c000$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: OK gang, it's time for a new computer for my husband. He's on either a 486 or 1st generation Pentium (Win98), can't remember which. I also can't remember if it's 64 or 128 ram, but whatever it is, I think something doesn't work. It takes about 15 minutes from turning it on, until his mail starts downloading. And then it takes about another 15 minute to download a like amount number of messages. I've got to do something before I leave for Salt Lake the beginning of Oct because we instant message every night when I'm gone. Now, if I was just going to get an ordinary system for him to use, I wouldn't need help. But, I had also planned in the near future to get a machine I could use as my own web server. So, the question is: what do I need minimum for him to use it like a "usual" computer, yet still be usuable like I want in the future? I'd *like* to get it with a hard drive fixed up with what I need (2003 Server???), but then pull that out and put in the existing C drive for now. That way I don't have to spend time now loading it and transfering etc. Instead, he can use it like he currently does, just with faster cpu and more ram, and I can do the loading after I get back. We have cable, but the hookup for my computer in living room. There isn't time to run anything right now, and I was planning on using something like I have available at Gwen's (work). She has a D-Link DWL-1000AP (http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/review/19/1/61.html) and a LinkSys 11 MBPS that looks something like this http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=20 and we've been happy with them. Now, my understanding is that using this type of stuff, I can also make a wireless connection to the new computer, is that correct? Or do I still have to do that through wires? In any case, does my computer have to be in the loop for the combo to work to give Dave cable access in the other room? Remember, my computer will be gone as I'll have it in Salt Lake. So the network cable that usually plugs in to my computer will just be laying there with no connection. I guess that's enough for now, and remember talk grade school to me, not college. Drew, I'm especially trying to pick your brain, since you seem to be such an expert. And if you can give me part numbers etc from http://microcenter.com that would be a bonus as I have a credit card with them, and a zero balance. Oh, another thing, I'm happy with Win2kPro, so if you think I should stick with that, vs 2003 say so; or convince me I should go with 2003. Keep in mind that I will still need to run a couple simple dos programs that work on Win2k. Though when all is said and done, if I can dual boot in order to run the dos program, that's ok too. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Aug 30 01:56:43 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:56:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time for new computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553873349.20030830085643@cactus.dk> Hi Kathryn Leaving the discussion on what to purchase to the domestic listers of yours, you could simplify this decision by reusing the old machine for the web server. There are several low footprint servers around which are much easier to handle than Apache or IIS like: http://www.xitami.com or MS Personal Web Server if you need ASP. /gustav > OK gang, it's time for a new computer for my husband. He's on either > a 486 or 1st generation Pentium (Win98), can't remember which. I > also can't remember if it's 64 or 128 ram .. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sat Aug 30 22:59:51 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:59:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time for new computer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kathryn, sorry for the delay in replying, but I just setup this list to download at home. (I was only getting these at work before, and I've been off since Thursday). I could toss a lot of details at you, but personally I recommend talking to someone that builds machines for a living. My company buys it's computer stuff from Twix, which is a local distributor. They build machines too, and are VERY good. We send all of our employees their way, when they ask us about buying a home computer. Here's a true story about the experience one of our employees (former) had with Twix. The guys name was Tres. Tres asked me about buying a home computer, so I gave him Robert Staples number. He called Robert, and told him what he was looking for. Robert gave him a quote (which he was quite happy with) and when Tres got the machine, and brought it home, he had a problem. The problem was he asked for W2k (which by the way, I definitely recommend, or XP, though I haven't used it much, XP Pro is just as solid as W2k, and is a little more 'flashy'. I hate to say more user friendly, but for a non-techie, it definitely is.), and Tres' wife had a software package she needed for work that didn't work in an NT environment. Tres needed to get ME installed, instead of Win2k. Robert said no problem, Tres dropped the machine off on the way to work, and picked it up that afternoon with the new OS installed. No huss, no fuss. Now, Twix is based in Dallas, TX (it's right by where I work). They WOULD be able to get you a computer, but you may want someone local. There is an advantage to ordering through Twix if you aren't in TX (which I don't think you are), which is there is no Sales tax if it is shipped out of state. You can contact Robert Staples at 214-553-1212 or Robert at twixusa.com. Just let him know that Drew from Marlow sent you his way. (I don't get kick backs, but when Robert knows someone was referred by me, he gives them closer to at cost prices!). Even if you don't want to order through Twix, Robert may know a local distributor that you could contact. I STRONGLY recommend this approach to buying a new machine. Robert is very adept at matching the clients needs to a finished product. Their machines are custom built (and cost the same or less (very rarely more) then your typical boxed machines (though some of the prebuilt Dell ads have beaten his prices), which means that you won't have to make trade off's. You get exactly what you want, and need. If you have more specific questions (and I'll be surprised if you do, after talking with Robert), feel free to give me a holler (either here or offline if you wish). Drew (P.S.--Anyone on this list is welcome to contact Robert, and mention me. I got my Palm from Twix. m515, and at the time, Palm was offering it at $350 (before tax), and I got it for a grand total of $325 from him. Not bad, eh?) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Time for new computer OK gang, it's time for a new computer for my husband. He's on either a 486 or 1st generation Pentium (Win98), can't remember which. I also can't remember if it's 64 or 128 ram, but whatever it is, I think something doesn't work. It takes about 15 minutes from turning it on, until his mail starts downloading. And then it takes about another 15 minute to download a like amount number of messages. I've got to do something before I leave for Salt Lake the beginning of Oct because we instant message every night when I'm gone. Now, if I was just going to get an ordinary system for him to use, I wouldn't need help. But, I had also planned in the near future to get a machine I could use as my own web server. So, the question is: what do I need minimum for him to use it like a "usual" computer, yet still be usuable like I want in the future? I'd *like* to get it with a hard drive fixed up with what I need (2003 Server???), but then pull that out and put in the existing C drive for now. That way I don't have to spend time now loading it and transfering etc. Instead, he can use it like he currently does, just with faster cpu and more ram, and I can do the loading after I get back. We have cable, but the hookup for my computer in living room. There isn't time to run anything right now, and I was planning on using something like I have available at Gwen's (work). She has a D-Link DWL-1000AP (http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/review/19/1/61.html) and a LinkSys 11 MBPS that looks something like this http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=20 and we've been happy with them. Now, my understanding is that using this type of stuff, I can also make a wireless connection to the new computer, is that correct? Or do I still have to do that through wires? In any case, does my computer have to be in the loop for the combo to work to give Dave cable access in the other room? Remember, my computer will be gone as I'll have it in Salt Lake. So the network cable that usually plugs in to my computer will just be laying there with no connection. I guess that's enough for now, and remember talk grade school to me, not college. Drew, I'm especially trying to pick your brain, since you seem to be such an expert. And if you can give me part numbers etc from http://microcenter.com that would be a bonus as I have a credit card with them, and a zero balance. Oh, another thing, I'm happy with Win2kPro, so if you think I should stick with that, vs 2003 say so; or convince me I should go with 2003. Keep in mind that I will still need to run a couple simple dos programs that work on Win2k. Though when all is said and done, if I can dual boot in order to run the dos program, that's ok too. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sat Aug 30 23:12:27 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:12:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file In-Reply-To: <3F4E5A5E.13987.4AA69A@localhost> Message-ID: I've seen other posts about this, using the net stop and net start commands, with the w2svc service. I have a few comments. First, the services for an NT based machine can also be stopped/started from another computer. Here's an example: cscript service.vbs /X /N W3SVC /S YourWebServer pause cscript service.vbs /G /N W3SVC /S YourWebServer The service.vbs script is part of the Microsoft Windows 2000 Resource kit (and probably is included in other versions). This is an EXTREMELY handy thing to have. (If you REALLY need it, let me know, I can email it to you (the script, not the kit). Also, most recently I ran into iisreset. That's a little program you can run, which will restart your IIS 'server' (everything with IIS, not the machine itself). What's REALLY fantastic about this utility, is that it can even be used when you have gotten caught in a continuous loop. I write a lot of .asp stuff, that use VB .dll's. Most of the time, I have a Class that builds a collection of individual classes, which are filled from a recordset. Once in a while, I forget to put the rs.movenext line, in the loop, so the loop just keeps filling the collection with the same data, over and over. It will technically run forever, and REALLY bogs down the IIS server. Up until I discovered the iisreset command, I had to reboot the server itself, to get everything to stop. A tip on that, the iisreset can be run with the Resource Kit utility exec.vbs (which lets you run a program on a remote machine). Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:39 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Control IIS From a .BAT file Is it possible to start and stop IIS froma .bat file? What I am trying to do is be able to stop Apache and start IIS from one .bat file and from another stop IIS and start Apache. I know the Apache commands, but I don't know the IIS commands. Any takers? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca There are two ways to write bug-free code; only the third way works. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com