From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Dec  1 09:35:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:35:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-OT] List of Reports
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKOFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00aa01c3b820$bee9bf40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

OK. That's two.  It's unanimous.  What we have here is a failure to
communicate.  Mine. And shame on me because this has to do with a fairly
user obvious manual and if I can't explain this to you guys how....well
never mind.

Let me try this again.  I wrote a manual for a product I'm launching next
year and finished it before I committed suicide.  But that's not important
now.

I was careful to use consistent styles for headers and so I used the Insert
Table of Contents thing to create a table of contents and it worked
beautifully.

Since I had a unique style for Figures I was able to insert a list of
figures after the table of contents using the Insert Tables thing again,
specifying the style that I used on the figures.  Beautiful.

So then I used a report capture program to make jpegs out of the reports in
the system so that I could make an appendix of reports both sample reports
and to go with the tutorials in the manual.

There are 31 pages of reports, all of them in landscape.  So in Microsoft
Photo Editor I first rotate the jpeg ninety degrees.  Then save it and then
drop it onto the manual page.

The title of the report has to be inserted vertically on the right side of
the page midway down, because the user will be turning the manual sideways
to look at the report and I want the title at what will be the bottom of the
page.  So I put the report title into a text box and rotated the text box
and that worked out just peachy.

Now, what I need now is list of reports in the table of contents.  If I had
the report title in a unique style I could use that style and the Insert
Table feature and viola! just like the figures, I'd have my TOC for the
reports.  But unfortunately, I can't get the Insert Table thingy to read the
text out of a text box to make its table.

So I've got to put the title of the report on the page with the report which
is very awkward since the report fills the page.  Even when I do it then I
have to make the report title invisible so it doesn't show on the page.  I
did it with two reports using a unique style for the report title, made them
invisible, and it worked.  But if I want to change the report title at that
point, I can't see it because it's invisible so that's awkward.  It was such
a PITA that I was casting about for some slicker way to do it.

And there you have it.  If you want, I'd be glad to send you the manual
off-line so you can see better what I'm talking about.  It's 3MB.

Many Thanks in Advance just for plowing through this explanation,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-OT] List of Reports


> Hi Rocky,
> I've read this a couple of times and I'm not sure what you're asking...
>
> Early Monday morning - confused.
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: ot list; dba-tech
> > Subject: [dba-OT] List of Reports
> >
> >
> > Dear Lists(s):
> >
> > In my manual I have an appendix of reports.  Since the reports
> > are all landscape, the report titles are in text boxes turned vertical.
> >
> > I've figured out how to use the Index and Tables thingy and it's
> > great for inserting my TOC, list of figures, and list of tables.
> > The problem I'm having is getting some text onto the page with
> > each report which won't show on the report page (in a unique
> > style, which I can do) which won't show on the page but will be
> > picked up by the table thingy to make a nice TOC for my reports.
> >
> > I tried the hidden thing, which works except now I can't see the
> > text - don't even know where to find it.  Most of the page is
> > covered by an inserted jpg of a report.
> >
> > Anyway, rather than wrestling this thing into submission, which I
> > can certainly do (I did two reports, made the table, worked fine,
> > lost some hair), does anybody know of a slick way to do this?
> >
> > It would be nice of the table thingy 'saw' the text in the text
> > box.  But I don't think it does.
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 15:11:31 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:11:31 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c3b820$bee9bf40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <02d401c3b84f$b1a47c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old DOS version
of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get Expanded
Memory working.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec  1 17:07:46 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:07:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <02d401c3b84f$b1a47c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <001b01c3b85f$eed5aa90$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...no ...but I've gotta know why?

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old DOS
version
> of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get Expanded
> Memory working.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Dec  1 17:22:51 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:22:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <02d401c3b84f$b1a47c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEKCENAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL!

Or are you serious :o)

Along these lines, I just was working on getting my accountant off of using
Works 3 for her letters. She wanted me to install Works for Windows 3 on her
new PC because she couldn't make it work. She has Word 2000 but didn't think
she could use the files in that program. She did have to save them as RTF
but they worked just fine.

I also got her off of Lotus Symphony for DOS 1.2 last year (she also has
Excel 2000). The spreadsheets came through without a glitch!

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old
> DOS version
> of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get Expanded
> Memory working.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec  1 18:21:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:21:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEKCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3b86a$43968d10$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...holy moses ...Symphony! ...used to hate that all-in-one monstrosity with
such a passion I moved to Windows 2 and Word/Excel 2 ...hadn't heard it
mentioned in ages :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> LOL!
>
> Or are you serious :o)
>
> Along these lines, I just was working on getting my accountant off of
using
> Works 3 for her letters. She wanted me to install Works for Windows 3 on
her
> new PC because she couldn't make it work. She has Word 2000 but didn't
think
> she could use the files in that program. She did have to save them as RTF
> but they worked just fine.
>
> I also got her off of Lotus Symphony for DOS 1.2 last year (she also has
> Excel 2000). The spreadsheets came through without a glitch!
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:12 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old
> > DOS version
> > of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get Expanded
> > Memory working.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec  1 18:31:04 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:31:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <02d401c3b84f$b1a47c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <002801c3b86b$922d4e40$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...run 1-2-3 in compatibility mode

...create a config.sys file

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
DOS=UMB

...that "ought" to do it but then I've not tried anything like that since
W95 :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old DOS
version
> of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get Expanded
> Memory working.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 02:40:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:40:36 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <002801c3b86b$922d4e40$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <034201c3b8af$f5213e50$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

William, thanks but as you say that's under W95 or W98 but it's not enough
under W2K or XP I'm afraid.

To answer your question of why - the boss of my main client was a bit of a
whizz with early 123 macros and developed years ago some pretty impressive
spreadsheets which read production data and provide immediate feedback to
the factory on how the lines are performing. But he's not kept his 123
skills up-to-date and the spreadsheets don't just convert to the latest
versions. (I'm telling you what he's told me cos I wouldn't know one way or
the other.) Now the old version runs fine on W98 but not under W2K or WXP,
and the problem is in getting Expanded Memory. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 






> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 02 December 2003 00:31
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> ...run 1-2-3 in compatibility mode
> 
> ...create a config.sys file
> 
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
> DOS=UMB
> 
> ...that "ought" to do it but then I've not tried anything 
> like that since W95 :(
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, 
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:11 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have any experience of successfully running the old DOS
> version
> > of 1-2-3 (v2.3 in this case) under WXP? Specifically how to get 
> > Expanded Memory working.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec  2 03:15:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:15:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <034201c3b8af$f5213e50$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <034201c3b8af$f5213e50$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <476213624.20031202101503@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Here are a few links that may help you:

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/windowsxp.html#enableems

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/emsxp.html

http://www.cgonline.com/features/020226-f1-f1.html

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-02 09:40

> William, thanks but as you say that's under W95 or W98 but it's not enough
> under W2K or XP I'm afraid.

> To answer your question of why - the boss of my main client was a bit of a
> whizz with early 123 macros and developed years ago some pretty impressive
> spreadsheets which read production data and provide immediate feedback to
> the factory on how the lines are performing. But he's not kept his 123
> skills up-to-date and the spreadsheets don't just convert to the latest
> versions. (I'm telling you what he's told me cos I wouldn't know one way or
> the other.) Now the old version runs fine on W98 but not under W2K or WXP,
> and the problem is in getting Expanded Memory. 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 03:54:12 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:54:12 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <476213624.20031202101503@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <035801c3b8ba$3d963d70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Gustav
I'll pass these on, although to be honest it looks like stuff he's already
tried without success. But you never know, and thanks for the response
anyway.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: 02 December 2003 09:15
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Here are a few links that may help you:
> 
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/windowsxp.html#enableems

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/emsxp.html

http://www.cgonline.com/features/020226-f1-f1.html

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-02 09:40

> William, thanks but as you say that's under W95 or W98 but it's not 
> enough under W2K or XP I'm afraid.

> To answer your question of why - the boss of my main client was a bit 
> of a whizz with early 123 macros and developed years ago some pretty 
> impressive spreadsheets which read production data and provide 
> immediate feedback to the factory on how the lines are performing. But 
> he's not kept his 123 skills up-to-date and the spreadsheets don't 
> just convert to the latest versions. (I'm telling you what he's told 
> me cos I wouldn't know one way or the other.) Now the old version runs 
> fine on W98 but not under W2K or WXP, and the problem is in getting 
> Expanded Memory.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec  2 03:58:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:58:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <035801c3b8ba$3d963d70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <035801c3b8ba$3d963d70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <1178795387.20031202105804@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

I see.
As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
client.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-02 10:54

> Thanks Gustav
> I'll pass these on, although to be honest it looks like stuff he's already
> tried without success. But you never know, and thanks for the response
> anyway.

> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: 02 December 2003 09:15
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> Here are a few links that may help you:
>> 
> http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/windowsxp.html#enableems

> http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/emsxp.html

> http://www.cgonline.com/features/020226-f1-f1.html

> /gustav


>> Date: 2003-12-02 09:40

>> William, thanks but as you say that's under W95 or W98 but it's not 
>> enough under W2K or XP I'm afraid.

>> To answer your question of why - the boss of my main client was a bit 
>> of a whizz with early 123 macros and developed years ago some pretty 
>> impressive spreadsheets which read production data and provide 
>> immediate feedback to the factory on how the lines are performing. But 
>> he's not kept his 123 skills up-to-date and the spreadsheets don't 
>> just convert to the latest versions. (I'm telling you what he's told 
>> me cos I wouldn't know one way or the other.) Now the old version runs 
>> fine on W98 but not under W2K or WXP, and the problem is in getting 
>> Expanded Memory.

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Dec  2 04:20:49 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 05:20:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <1178795387.20031202105804@cactus.dk>
References: <035801c3b8ba$3d963d70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <3FCC2131.25088.115BB1@localhost>

On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:

> As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
> client.

Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual 
DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.



From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Tue Dec  2 04:37:17 2003
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:37:17 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <035801c3b8ba$3d963d70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<3FCC2131.25088.115BB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <00d301c3b8c2$59a2e600$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Hello All,

Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for
nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run it in
a Virtual Session on XP Pro


My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember where he
saw it.

Thanks

Mark


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From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
> > client.
>
> Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual
> DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
>
> --
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> Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 06:07:24 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:07:24 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <3FCC2131.25088.115BB1@localhost>
Message-ID: <036f01c3b8cc$d90c5890$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Bryan, I just took a look at vmware.com. Is that what you mean? Looks like a
network administration system. Am I looking at the wrong thing?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 02 December 2003 10:21
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control 
> > client.
> 
> Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual 
> DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Dec  2 07:41:22 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 8:41:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
Message-ID: <20031202134121.PBSK2867.tomts45-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>

> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Bryan, I just took a look at vmware.com. Is that what you mean? Looks like a
> network administration system. Am I looking at the wrong thing?

I think you were looking at the wrong thing.

The URL is http://www.vmware.com/landing/ws4_home.html

They also have some server software, but I don't know much about it.

VMWare will allow you to create a virtual PC in your PC. It is a great development tool. You can install various OSes into different Virtual PCs so you can test the interaction of your app with the OS.

You can install OSes like DOS, the various flavours of Windows from 3.1 on up including Server versions, Netware, Linux, BSD.

If you have enough physical memory, you can multiple VMs running at the same time.

It's a pretty slick little app.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 08:09:26 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:09:26 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <20031202134121.PBSK2867.tomts45-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
Message-ID: <037801c3b8dd$e5b937f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Bryan. Does look interesting.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 02 December 2003 13:41
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> 
> > Bryan, I just took a look at vmware.com. Is that what you 
> mean? Looks 
> > like a network administration system. Am I looking at the 
> wrong thing?
> 
> I think you were looking at the wrong thing.
> 
> The URL is http://www.vmware.com/landing/ws4_home.html
> 
> They also have some server software, but I don't know much about it.
> 
> VMWare will allow you to create a virtual PC in your PC. It 
> is a great development tool. You can install various OSes 
> into different Virtual PCs so you can test the interaction of 
> your app with the OS.
> 
> You can install OSes like DOS, the various flavours of 
> Windows from 3.1 on up including Server versions, Netware, Linux, BSD.
> 
> If you have enough physical memory, you can multiple VMs 
> running at the same time.
> 
> It's a pretty slick little app.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
> 
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From shamil-users at mns.ru  Tue Dec  2 07:50:55 2003
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:50:55 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] 
	Software reselling and development agreements' samples...
Message-ID: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>

Hi All,

If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail them
to me?
What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions under
which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted to
keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights to
reuse such code IMO.

I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - what
can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on the
market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
another product or...?

If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid to
go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I don't
plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light on
this question?

TIA,
Shamil

--
e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 09:52:20 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:52:20 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech]	Software reselling and development agreements'
	samples...
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
Message-ID: <009201c3b8ec$453bb780$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Shamil:

Not really responsive to your question but this is what I know:

I always work without a contract on a time and materials basis.  But in the
U.S., in the absence of a contract specifying that the rights to the entire
work product belong to the customer, all of the rights to the work stay with
the developer and the customer is granted an implied license to use it.

I (like most of us, I think) include lots of my own code in every product so
we don't want to be giving away the rights to that.

Now this works well for my customers, none of whom are in the software
business, and don't want to own the code, much less resell it.

But if you're going to develop a product for someone who wants to resell it
then they will probably want a clear title to all of it.

So then you have to negotiate.  This is where a boilerplate agreement of
your won, written entirely in your favor, can provide a good starting point.

If you tell them that they can save a lot of money with you by you using
lots of your own code, and on the other hand of they insist on owning all
the code, then you have to write everything from scratch, they might strike
a better deal.  At a minimum, if you are going to incorporate your own
library into a product, you want a contract that leaves you free to re-use
that code.  You don't want title to it to pass to your customer.

As for non-compete clauses, the one time I was involved with that, I learned
that in this country they are almost impossible to enforce.  Since they are
impossible to write with any precision, the buyer has to watch the seller
(or developer) and, if they think the seller is competing with them then
they have to sue and let the court decide if their case has merit - an
approach with its own high initial cost, and in the U.S. anyway, a very high
risk of losing.

So that doesn't answer your question but HTH anyway.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil-users at mns.ru>
To: "dba - Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:50 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development agreements'
samples...


> Hi All,
>
> If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail them
> to me?
> What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions under
> which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted to
> keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
> company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
> the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights to
> reuse such code IMO.
>
> I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - what
> can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on the
> market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> another product or...?
>
> If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
> work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid to
> go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I don't
> plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light on
> this question?
>
> TIA,
> Shamil
>
> --
> e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>


From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru  Tue Dec  2 15:29:39 2003
From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:29:39 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
	agreements'samples...
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
	<009201c3b8ec$453bb780$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001d01c3b91b$66ea6a00$b501010a@PARIS>

Thanks a lot for your answers, Rocky!

> But in the U.S., in the absence of a contract specifying that the
rights to the entire
> work product belong to the customer, all of the rights to the work
stay with
> the developer and the customer is granted an implied license to use
it.
I thought the opposite is true worldwide? May I have a link where I can
read this US law/regulation? Do you think it is the same in the West
Europe?

As far as I know (but now I will have to recheck) the opposite is true
in Russia:

- in the absence of a contract and if the developer was paid for the
work for a software product all the rights belong to the customer.

So the best strategy/tactics to work with your country customers and to
have all my copyrigths preserved is to not sign any copyright
agreements? :) Is that an often story?

> I always work without a contract on a time and materials basis.
You usually don't sign any contract with your customers?
Well, I also often work based on gentlemen agreements but I thought this
isn't that often for the long term projects. Did you have successfull
long term projects without any actual agreements?

TIA for additional information,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
agreements'samples...


> Shamil:
>
> Not really responsive to your question but this is what I know:
>
> I always work without a contract on a time and materials basis.  But
in the
> U.S., in the absence of a contract specifying that the rights to the
entire
> work product belong to the customer, all of the rights to the work
stay with
> the developer and the customer is granted an implied license to use
it.
>
> I (like most of us, I think) include lots of my own code in every
product so
> we don't want to be giving away the rights to that.
>
> Now this works well for my customers, none of whom are in the software
> business, and don't want to own the code, much less resell it.
>
> But if you're going to develop a product for someone who wants to
resell it
> then they will probably want a clear title to all of it.
>
> So then you have to negotiate.  This is where a boilerplate agreement
of
> your won, written entirely in your favor, can provide a good starting
point.
>
> If you tell them that they can save a lot of money with you by you
using
> lots of your own code, and on the other hand of they insist on owning
all
> the code, then you have to write everything from scratch, they might
strike
> a better deal.  At a minimum, if you are going to incorporate your own
> library into a product, you want a contract that leaves you free to
re-use
> that code.  You don't want title to it to pass to your customer.
>
> As for non-compete clauses, the one time I was involved with that, I
learned
> that in this country they are almost impossible to enforce.  Since
they are
> impossible to write with any precision, the buyer has to watch the
seller
> (or developer) and, if they think the seller is competing with them
then
> they have to sue and let the court decide if their case has merit - an
> approach with its own high initial cost, and in the U.S. anyway, a
very high
> risk of losing.
>
> So that doesn't answer your question but HTH anyway.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil-users at mns.ru>
> To: "dba - Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:50 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development agreements'
> samples...
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail
them
> > to me?
> > What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions
under
> > which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> > her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted
to
> > keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by
the
> > company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products -
all
> > the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers'
rights to
> > reuse such code IMO.
> >
> > I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term -
what
> > can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on
the
> > market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> > another product or...?
> >
> > If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company
I
> > work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid
to
> > go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I
don't
> > plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> > competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light
on
> > this question?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Shamil
> >
> > --
> > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> > Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From jonsulli at swbell.net  Tue Dec  2 16:23:08 2003
From: jonsulli at swbell.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:23:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] 	Software reselling and development agreements'
	samples...
In-Reply-To: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
Message-ID: <3FCD10CC.2070709@swbell.net>

Shamil,

Good idea to get this sort of thing settled going in. While I have no 
advice to offer, there is a site that may have some examples you could use.

As a registered member (it is free) of Tech-Republic: 
http://techrepublic.com
you are frequently offered the opportunity to download templates of 
agreements and contracts they and their members create in development 
and consulting.

Also check both their IT Consultant section: 
http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-27-0.html;
and their  IT Manager section: http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-26-0.html.

Both sections have multiple tabs to explore and each have their own 
Downloads. This might be a good place to start looking for examples of 
the type of contract you need.

As an afterthought, www.builder.com may have something to offer as well.

Hope this helps,

John Sullivan

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail them
>to me?
>What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions under
>which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
>her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted to
>keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
>company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
>the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights to
>reuse such code IMO.
>
>I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - what
>can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on the
>market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
>another product or...?
>
>If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
>work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid to
>go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I don't
>plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
>competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light on
>this question?
>
>TIA,
>Shamil
>
>--
>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
>Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec  2 16:40:32 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:40:32 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 	Software reselling and development agreements'
	samples...
In-Reply-To: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
Message-ID: <3FCDA180.23608.16ECF2@localhost>

On 2 Dec 2003 at 16:50, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail them
> to me?
> What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions under
> which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted to
> keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
> company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
> the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights to
> reuse such code IMO.
> 
> I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - what
> can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on the
> market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> another product or...?
> 
> If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
> work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid to
> go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I don't
> plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light on
> this question?
> 

I use something like the following. It's worked so far - although it's never been tested in court.

"The application will have been developed by Lexacorp for your use, but the developed application will incorporate code fragments and ideas that have previously been developed by Lexacorp and all intellectual property rights to the application remains the property of Lexacorp.  

You will receive a copy of the source code for the application and will be granted a non-exclusive licence to use such source code for maintenance and future development of the said application for your own use in such manner as you see fit. 

Lexacorp undertakes not to sell the same application or a substantially similar application to any third party without your express agreement. 

You may not sell or otherwise dispose of the said source code, or any application developed utilising all or part of it to any third party without the express agreement of  Lexacorp.

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec  2 16:46:01 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:46:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 	Software reselling and development
	agreements'samples...
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
	<3FCD10CC.2070709@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <003101c3b926$11c9f5d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...ditto on Tech-Republic ...I used a template from them for all of my
current contracts ...and I do nothing of any substance without a written
contract and spec ...even clients where I have pre-paid consulting
relationships, if the task will exceed 50 billed hours, I go to a written
contract for it ...actually a separate tasking order added to the original
consulting contract so that we don't have to pay lawyers to wrangle over the
critical wording every time a new tasking comes up :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Sullivan" <jonsulli at swbell.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
agreements'samples...


> Shamil,
>
> Good idea to get this sort of thing settled going in. While I have no
> advice to offer, there is a site that may have some examples you could
use.
>
> As a registered member (it is free) of Tech-Republic:
> http://techrepublic.com
> you are frequently offered the opportunity to download templates of
> agreements and contracts they and their members create in development
> and consulting.
>
> Also check both their IT Consultant section:
> http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-27-0.html;
> and their  IT Manager section: http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-26-0.html.
>
> Both sections have multiple tabs to explore and each have their own
> Downloads. This might be a good place to start looking for examples of
> the type of contract you need.
>
> As an afterthought, www.builder.com may have something to offer as well.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John Sullivan
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail them
> >to me?
> >What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions under
> >which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> >her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted to
> >keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
> >company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
> >the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights to
> >reuse such code IMO.
> >
> >I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - what
> >can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on the
> >market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> >another product or...?
> >
> >If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
> >work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid to
> >go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I don't
> >plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> >competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light on
> >this question?
> >
> >TIA,
> >Shamil
> >
> >--
> >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> >Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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>



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Dec  2 17:25:36 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:25:36 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] 	Software reselling and development
	agreements'samples...
In-Reply-To: <27057071.1070404974648.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3b92b$9a6a0ec0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Stuart,

I was caught by this line in your contract:

	Lexacorp undertakes not to sell the same application or a
substantially similar 	application to any third party without your express
agreement. 

First, 'undertakes not to sell the same' - is this a contractual promise to
try?  

Also, by giving one customer control over who else can get the software
gives them some legal control, which might imply ownership, which is the
opposite of what you really want.  You may have an internal conflict in your
document.


In my contract I don't allow the customer any right to determine what I can
do, but I do state explicitly that I will never tell one company what I have
done for another company, absent written permission to do so.  This keeps me
in complete control over my software, and gives the customer confidence that
their internal business processes remain confidential.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
agreements'samples...


On 2 Dec 2003 at 16:50, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail 
> them to me? What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining 
> conditions under which a programmer works for a company writing new 
> code and making her/his own code invested in the products of this 
> company. I wanted to keep copyright on my own invested code(which I 
> wasn't paid for by the
> company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all 
> the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights 
> to reuse such code IMO.
> 
> I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term - 
> what can be considered as a direct competition with a software product 
> on the market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features 
> of the another product or...?
> 
> If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I 
> work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid 
> to go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I 
> don't plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what 
> "direct competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some 
> light on this question?
> 

I use something like the following. It's worked so far - although it's never
been tested in court.

"The application will have been developed by Lexacorp for your use, but the
developed application will incorporate code fragments and ideas that have
previously been developed by Lexacorp and all intellectual property rights
to the application remains the property of Lexacorp.  

You will receive a copy of the source code for the application and will be
granted a non-exclusive licence to use such source code for maintenance and
future development of the said application for your own use in such manner
as you see fit. 

Lexacorp undertakes not to sell the same application or a substantially
similar application to any third party without your express agreement. 

You may not sell or otherwise dispose of the said source code, or any
application developed utilising all or part of it to any third party without
the express agreement of  Lexacorp.

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 18:32:37 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:32:37 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
	agreements'samples...
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
	<009201c3b8ec$453bb780$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<001d01c3b91b$66ea6a00$b501010a@PARIS>
Message-ID: <008401c3b934$f40fcce0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
agreements'samples...


> Thanks a lot for your answers, Rocky!
>
> > But in the U.S., in the absence of a contract specifying that the
> rights to the entire
> > work product belong to the customer, all of the rights to the work
> stay with
> > the developer and the customer is granted an implied license to use
> it.
> I thought the opposite is true worldwide? May I have a link where I can
> read this US law/regulation? Do you think it is the same in the West
> Europe?
*** I don't know Shamil.  Law research isn't my forte either.  The stuff I
know I learned directly from my lawyers over time.

>
> As far as I know (but now I will have to recheck) the opposite is true
> in Russia:
>
> - in the absence of a contract and if the developer was paid for the
> work for a software product all the rights belong to the customer.
>
> So the best strategy/tactics to work with your country customers and to
> have all my copyrigths preserved is to not sign any copyright
> agreements? :) Is that an often story?
*** Yes, if the default in Russia is that title to the developer's work
passes to the custoer then yes, you'll need a contract specifying the
opposite.

>
> > I always work without a contract on a time and materials basis.
> You usually don't sign any contract with your customers?
> Well, I also often work based on gentlemen agreements but I thought this
> isn't that often for the long term projects. Did you have successfull
> long term projects without any actual agreements?
*** I have.  But it depends on having a successful personal relationship
since the whole thing is based on trust.  OTOH, I always show the customer
what I've done and how easy it will be for someone else to pick up the work
if I get hit by a truck, or, if for some reason they fall out of love with
me.  So in that sense the risk for them isn't as great as it might appear.

>
> TIA for additional information,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
> agreements'samples...
>
>
> > Shamil:
> >
> > Not really responsive to your question but this is what I know:
> >
> > I always work without a contract on a time and materials basis.  But
> in the
> > U.S., in the absence of a contract specifying that the rights to the
> entire
> > work product belong to the customer, all of the rights to the work
> stay with
> > the developer and the customer is granted an implied license to use
> it.
> >
> > I (like most of us, I think) include lots of my own code in every
> product so
> > we don't want to be giving away the rights to that.
> >
> > Now this works well for my customers, none of whom are in the software
> > business, and don't want to own the code, much less resell it.
> >
> > But if you're going to develop a product for someone who wants to
> resell it
> > then they will probably want a clear title to all of it.
> >
> > So then you have to negotiate.  This is where a boilerplate agreement
> of
> > your won, written entirely in your favor, can provide a good starting
> point.
> >
> > If you tell them that they can save a lot of money with you by you
> using
> > lots of your own code, and on the other hand of they insist on owning
> all
> > the code, then you have to write everything from scratch, they might
> strike
> > a better deal.  At a minimum, if you are going to incorporate your own
> > library into a product, you want a contract that leaves you free to
> re-use
> > that code.  You don't want title to it to pass to your customer.
> >
> > As for non-compete clauses, the one time I was involved with that, I
> learned
> > that in this country they are almost impossible to enforce.  Since
> they are
> > impossible to write with any precision, the buyer has to watch the
> seller
> > (or developer) and, if they think the seller is competing with them
> then
> > they have to sue and let the court decide if their case has merit - an
> > approach with its own high initial cost, and in the U.S. anyway, a
> very high
> > risk of losing.
> >
> > So that doesn't answer your question but HTH anyway.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil-users at mns.ru>
> > To: "dba - Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:50 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development agreements'
> > samples...
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail
> them
> > > to me?
> > > What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions
> under
> > > which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> > > her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted
> to
> > > keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by
> the
> > > company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products -
> all
> > > the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers'
> rights to
> > > reuse such code IMO.
> > >
> > > I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term -
> what
> > > can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on
> the
> > > market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> > > another product or...?
> > >
> > > If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company
> I
> > > work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid
> to
> > > go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I
> don't
> > > plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> > > competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light
> on
> > > this question?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > --
> > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> > > Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
> > >
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Dec  2 19:15:48 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:15:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF75@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Mark

I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English version.
(A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never bothered to keep but
yes I seen and installed it)
I would find it incredible that you could make it run under WXP not to
say totaly pointless from my point of view.
But I supose your're still trying to run Lotus 123?

So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a dip
in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)

I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere with
that EMS/LIM memory?

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP

Hello All,

Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for
nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run
it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro


My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember where
he saw it.

Thanks

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
> > client.
>
> Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual
> DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec  2 21:30:17 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:30:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF75@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEMBENAA.john@winhaven.net>

I downloaded Windows v 1.0 off the internet somewhere - pretty funny stuff.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:16 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English version.
> (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never bothered to keep but
> yes I seen and installed it)
> I would find it incredible that you could make it run under WXP not to
> say totaly pointless from my point of view.
> But I supose your're still trying to run Lotus 123?
> 
> So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a dip
> in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
> 
> I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere with
> that EMS/LIM memory?
> 
> Erwin
> 
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for
> nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run
> it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
> 
> 
> My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember where
> he saw it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> 
> 
> > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> >
> > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
> > > client.
> >
> > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual
> > DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> >
> >
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> 
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From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Wed Dec  3 04:44:27 2003
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:44:27 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF75@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <003601c3b98a$761997c0$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Erwin,

I am not so excited about it, and you need not dig it out.  I was only
wondering for romantic reasons, I have no need for it, but it would remind
me of when I was a young man :)

I still remember the excitement of when I first installed, Windows 3.1 and
Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0

Best Regards



Mark L. Breen
Ireland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:15 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Hi Mark
>
> I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English version.
> (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never bothered to keep but
> yes I seen and installed it)
> I would find it incredible that you could make it run under WXP not to
> say totaly pointless from my point of view.
> But I supose your're still trying to run Lotus 123?
>
> So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a dip
> in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
>
> I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere with
> that EMS/LIM memory?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
> Hello All,
>
> Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for
> nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run
> it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
>
>
> My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember where
> he saw it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> >
> > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
> > > client.
> >
> > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a virtual
> > DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> >
> >
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec  3 07:23:29 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:23:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DDF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha
Getting nostalgic...

Netware 2.2, Xenix, PC-MOS, TBOS, MUMPS, Lan Manager, OS2, Corvus PC-NOS
, DOS 2.x...
Lantastic, Windows 2.x (Great stuf you only had notepad a calculator and
minesweeper (or patience))
Those good old days...
A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes...

And and

I remember the first time I saw a mouse....
What the heel were we suposed to do with a mouse.
With a special mousepad, I believe those first mouses where optical?

And and
The first non-us keyboard 
Aaaahhh great stufff
We had to put small stickers on the keys, but hey, we sure had azerty!!!

And and
The first laserprinter

And and the 
first colorprinter

I'm getting old :-(


Erwin


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Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 11:44
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


Hello Erwin,

I am not so excited about it, and you need not dig it out.  I was only
wondering for romantic reasons, I have no need for it, but it would
remind me of when I was a young man :)

I still remember the excitement of when I first installed, Windows 3.1
and Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0

Best Regards



Mark L. Breen
Ireland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:15 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Hi Mark
>
> I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English version. 
> (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never bothered to keep 
> but yes I seen and installed it) I would find it incredible that you 
> could make it run under WXP not to say totaly pointless from my point 
> of view. But I supose your're still trying to run Lotus 123?
>
> So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a 
> dip in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
>
> I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere with 
> that EMS/LIM memory?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
> Hello All,
>
> Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for

> nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run

> it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
>
>
> My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember 
> where he saw it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> >
> > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control

> > > client.
> >
> > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a 
> > virtual DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec  3 07:37:02 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:37:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DDF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <003101c3b9a2$88d6e0d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

"A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes..." Erwin

...no, no, no ...Windows 2 was NOT an OS at all, it was a GUI shell for DOS
...Win 95 was the first version that didn't require DOS to work ...and even
then... :((((((

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Aha
> Getting nostalgic...
>
> Netware 2.2, Xenix, PC-MOS, TBOS, MUMPS, Lan Manager, OS2, Corvus PC-NOS
> , DOS 2.x...
> Lantastic, Windows 2.x (Great stuf you only had notepad a calculator and
> minesweeper (or patience))
> Those good old days...
> A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes...
>
> And and
>
> I remember the first time I saw a mouse....
> What the heel were we suposed to do with a mouse.
> With a special mousepad, I believe those first mouses where optical?
>
> And and
> The first non-us keyboard
> Aaaahhh great stufff
> We had to put small stickers on the keys, but hey, we sure had azerty!!!
>
> And and
> The first laserprinter
>
> And and the
> first colorprinter
>
> I'm getting old :-(
>
>
> Erwin
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 11:44
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> Hello Erwin,
>
> I am not so excited about it, and you need not dig it out.  I was only
> wondering for romantic reasons, I have no need for it, but it would
> remind me of when I was a young man :)
>
> I still remember the excitement of when I first installed, Windows 3.1
> and Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
> Mark L. Breen
> Ireland
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English version.
> > (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never bothered to keep
> > but yes I seen and installed it) I would find it incredible that you
> > could make it run under WXP not to say totaly pointless from my point
> > of view. But I supose your're still trying to run Lotus 123?
> >
> > So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a
> > dip in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
> >
> > I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere with
> > that EMS/LIM memory?
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just for
>
> > nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to run
>
> > it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
> >
> >
> > My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember
> > where he saw it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> >
> > > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote control
>
> > > > client.
> > >
> > > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a
> > > virtual DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec  3 09:11:35 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:11:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7284@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hold your horses :-)
Wait a minute

DOS is an OS on 1 or 2 360KB 5 1/4" disks.

Windows 95 is no OS. It's still windows based on dos. Same thing for
W98.
Just press F8 and boot in dos type win from dos and you come in W9X.
Windows ME they played around so you could not notice rigth away, I
believe the removed the boot in DOS already in ME.

First real OS windows was NT4 or infact it was OS2 / Lan Manager. Win NT
3.5 is the folow up of Lan Manager (which was based on MS OS/2 which
they developed for IBM).


Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens William Hindman
Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 14:37
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


"A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes..." Erwin

...no, no, no ...Windows 2 was NOT an OS at all, it was a GUI shell for
DOS ...Win 95 was the first version that didn't require DOS to work
...and even then... :((((((

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Aha
> Getting nostalgic...
>
> Netware 2.2, Xenix, PC-MOS, TBOS, MUMPS, Lan Manager, OS2, Corvus 
> PC-NOS , DOS 2.x... Lantastic, Windows 2.x (Great stuf you only had 
> notepad a calculator and minesweeper (or patience))
> Those good old days...
> A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes...
>
> And and
>
> I remember the first time I saw a mouse....
> What the heel were we suposed to do with a mouse.
> With a special mousepad, I believe those first mouses where optical?
>
> And and
> The first non-us keyboard
> Aaaahhh great stufff
> We had to put small stickers on the keys, but hey, we sure had 
> azerty!!!
>
> And and
> The first laserprinter
>
> And and the
> first colorprinter
>
> I'm getting old :-(
>
>
> Erwin
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 11:44
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> Hello Erwin,
>
> I am not so excited about it, and you need not dig it out.  I was only

> wondering for romantic reasons, I have no need for it, but it would 
> remind me of when I was a young man :)
>
> I still remember the excitement of when I first installed, Windows 3.1

> and Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
> Mark L. Breen
> Ireland
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English 
> > version. (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never 
> > bothered to keep but yes I seen and installed it) I would find it 
> > incredible that you could make it run under WXP not to say totaly 
> > pointless from my point of view. But I supose your're still trying 
> > to run Lotus 123?
> >
> > So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a 
> > dip in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
> >
> > I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere 
> > with that EMS/LIM memory?
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just 
> > for
>
> > nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to 
> > run
>
> > it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
> >
> >
> > My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember 
> > where he saw it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> >
> > > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote 
> > > > control
>
> > > > client.
> > >
> > > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a 
> > > virtual DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec  3 09:25:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:25:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7284@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <007d01c3b9b1$bb59f290$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...nope ...W95 was a real OS ...you can run W95 without ever referring to
the DOS as a separate entity, its not a "shell" program as previous versions
of Windows had been ...granted DOS is still there but its no longer the
captain of the ship.

...as for the IBM/MS partnership in OS/2, MS was the lead in that program
and when IBM big wigs tried to put the MS horse back in the IBM barn by
restricting MS development on Win 3x, Gates filed for divorce to the stunned
amazement of the big guns at IBM ...they both walked away with the same code
base ...IBM produced OS/2 and bombed ...MS produced NT and the rest is
history :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP


> Hold your horses :-)
> Wait a minute
>
> DOS is an OS on 1 or 2 360KB 5 1/4" disks.
>
> Windows 95 is no OS. It's still windows based on dos. Same thing for
> W98.
> Just press F8 and boot in dos type win from dos and you come in W9X.
> Windows ME they played around so you could not notice rigth away, I
> believe the removed the boot in DOS already in ME.
>
> First real OS windows was NT4 or infact it was OS2 / Lan Manager. Win NT
> 3.5 is the folow up of Lan Manager (which was based on MS OS/2 which
> they developed for IBM).
>
>
> Erwin
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens William Hindman
> Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 14:37
> Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> "A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes..." Erwin
>
> ...no, no, no ...Windows 2 was NOT an OS at all, it was a GUI shell for
> DOS ...Win 95 was the first version that didn't require DOS to work
> ...and even then... :((((((
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
>
>
> > Aha
> > Getting nostalgic...
> >
> > Netware 2.2, Xenix, PC-MOS, TBOS, MUMPS, Lan Manager, OS2, Corvus
> > PC-NOS , DOS 2.x... Lantastic, Windows 2.x (Great stuf you only had
> > notepad a calculator and minesweeper (or patience))
> > Those good old days...
> > A compleet OS on 1 or 2 360KB diskettes...
> >
> > And and
> >
> > I remember the first time I saw a mouse....
> > What the heel were we suposed to do with a mouse.
> > With a special mousepad, I believe those first mouses where optical?
> >
> > And and
> > The first non-us keyboard
> > Aaaahhh great stufff
> > We had to put small stickers on the keys, but hey, we sure had
> > azerty!!!
> >
> > And and
> > The first laserprinter
> >
> > And and the
> > first colorprinter
> >
> > I'm getting old :-(
> >
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> > Verzonden: woensdag 3 december 2003 11:44
> > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> >
> > Hello Erwin,
> >
> > I am not so excited about it, and you need not dig it out.  I was only
>
> > wondering for romantic reasons, I have no need for it, but it would
> > remind me of when I was a young man :)
> >
> > I still remember the excitement of when I first installed, Windows 3.1
>
> > and Word 2.0 and Excel 4.0
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark L. Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> >
> >
> > > Hi Mark
> > >
> > > I still have somewhere 3.1 and/or WfW 3.11 I believe English
> > > version. (A good change for windows 2.x  also) (V1.x I never
> > > bothered to keep but yes I seen and installed it) I would find it
> > > incredible that you could make it run under WXP not to say totaly
> > > pointless from my point of view. But I supose your're still trying
> > > to run Lotus 123?
> > >
> > > So if your pretty sure and can't find it no where else, I'll take a
> > > dip in my diskette dungeon if you ask me nicely :-)
> > >
> > > I did not folowed the thread completely, are you stuck somewhere
> > > with that EMS/LIM memory?
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen
> > > Verzonden: dinsdag 2 december 2003 11:37
> > > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know where there is a site to download Window 3.1 just
> > > for
> >
> > > nostalgia, I do not want to format a machine, I was just hoping to
> > > run
> >
> > > it in a Virtual Session on XP Pro
> > >
> > >
> > > My brother mentioned such a site some time ago but cannot remember
> > > where he saw it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1-2-3 DOS version under XP
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 2 Dec 2003 at 10:58, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As a last resort you could create a multiboot setup.
> > > > > Or set up a remote Win98 machine and give him a VNC remote
> > > > > control
> >
> > > > > client.
> > > >
> > > > Before going dual boot, I'd suggest using VMWare and create a
> > > > virtual DOS install and install 1-2-3 in the Virtual Machine.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > > > Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru  Wed Dec  3 16:42:15 2003
From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:42:15 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
	agreements'samples...
References: <002701c3b8db$59ce0b50$b501010a@PARIS>
	<3FCD10CC.2070709@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <001301c3b9ee$b5cb2410$b501010a@PARIS>

Thanks a lot everybody who answered my question!
I got good sample docs from TechRepublic and I now preparing my own
documents.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Sullivan" <jonsulli at swbell.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Software reselling and development
agreements'samples...


> Shamil,
>
> Good idea to get this sort of thing settled going in. While I have no
> advice to offer, there is a site that may have some examples you could
use.
>
> As a registered member (it is free) of Tech-Republic:
> http://techrepublic.com
> you are frequently offered the opportunity to download templates of
> agreements and contracts they and their members create in development
> and consulting.
>
> Also check both their IT Consultant section:
> http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-27-0.html;
> and their  IT Manager section:
http://techrepublic.com.com/2001-26-0.html.
>
> Both sections have multiple tabs to explore and each have their own
> Downloads. This might be a good place to start looking for examples of
> the type of contract you need.
>
> As an afterthought, www.builder.com may have something to offer as
well.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John Sullivan
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >If anybody has some typical subject's docs could you please e-mail
them
> >to me?
> >What I need is a kind of contracting agreement defining conditions
under
> >which a programmer works for a company writing new code and making
> >her/his own code invested in the products of this company. I wanted
to
> >keep copyright on my own invested code(which I wasn't paid for by the
> >company) and algorithms  to maybe reuse them in my own products - all
> >the agreements I've seen so far are very limiting programmers' rights
to
> >reuse such code IMO.
> >
> >I wanted also to have clearly defined a "direct competition" term -
what
> >can be considered as a direct competition with a software product on
the
> >market? Should it be the one having, say, 80% of the features of the
> >another product or...?
> >
> >If I use just part of the code of the software of the other company I
> >work for (which I allowed to use in my own products) how can I avoid
to
> >go into direct competition with this company? - I don't want and I
don't
> >plan to compete with it but I'm not sure I understand what "direct
> >competition" term means in details. Could you please shed some light
on
> >this question?
> >
> >TIA,
> >Shamil
> >
> >--
> >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  4 06:51:40 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:51:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue
Message-ID: <3FCF2DDC.2060205@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

Situation:  user of WIN98 box, attempts to set monitor screen resolution 
to 800 x 600.  For some reason, this monitor looks squiggly when that 
selection is made, even though the monitor is SVGA and should easily 
accept it - he clicks Yes in the message box asking if he wants to keep 
the setting.  Now, the screen is fairly scrambled - vertical  rainbow 
sort of effect - I think rather like the rolling of a TV screen when the 
vertical and horizontal holds don't work right.  Waiting a few moments 
for Windows to decide the setting is no good didn't help.  Rebooting 
didn't help.  Is there a way one of you knows about to return the 
resolution setting to one this monitor will accept?  

I'm thinking about dragging a spare monitor that I know works at the 800 
x 600 resolution, plugging that in, resetting the resolution, and 
swapping back his old monitor.  Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Tina


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec  4 07:00:17 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:00:17 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7294@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Boot in safe mode change the resolution.

Probably the refresh rate is to high or not supported for that
resolution by the monitor.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Tina Norris Fields
Verzonden: donderdag 4 december 2003 13:52
Aan: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue


Hi All,

Situation:  user of WIN98 box, attempts to set monitor screen resolution

to 800 x 600.  For some reason, this monitor looks squiggly when that 
selection is made, even though the monitor is SVGA and should easily 
accept it - he clicks Yes in the message box asking if he wants to keep 
the setting.  Now, the screen is fairly scrambled - vertical  rainbow 
sort of effect - I think rather like the rolling of a TV screen when the

vertical and horizontal holds don't work right.  Waiting a few moments 
for Windows to decide the setting is no good didn't help.  Rebooting 
didn't help.  Is there a way one of you knows about to return the 
resolution setting to one this monitor will accept?  

I'm thinking about dragging a spare monitor that I know works at the 800

x 600 resolution, plugging that in, resetting the resolution, and 
swapping back his old monitor.  Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Tina

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  4 07:28:08 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:28:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue
Message-ID: <BAY2-F145imPyianTic00008ce6@hotmail.com>

Hi Tina,

I think Erwin is on the money regarding the refresh rate being the problem - 
there are some combinations of refresh rate and resolutions that each 
monitor can and cannot work with and it sounds like your user picked a bad 
combination.

Safe mode - is the way to go I think.   Here's a site that explains how to 
get into safe mode. I just googled it up, it's an Adobe KB page but it seems 
to cover it well.

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/307da.htm

Good luck.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues"<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:00:17 +0100
>
>Boot in safe mode change the resolution.
>
>Probably the refresh rate is to high or not supported for that
>resolution by the monitor.
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Tina Norris Fields
>Verzonden: donderdag 4 december 2003 13:52
>Aan: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech
>Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Monitor Resolution Issue
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>Situation:  user of WIN98 box, attempts to set monitor screen resolution
>
>to 800 x 600.  For some reason, this monitor looks squiggly when that
>selection is made, even though the monitor is SVGA and should easily
>accept it - he clicks Yes in the message box asking if he wants to keep
>the setting.  Now, the screen is fairly scrambled - vertical  rainbow
>sort of effect - I think rather like the rolling of a TV screen when the
>
>vertical and horizontal holds don't work right.  Waiting a few moments
>for Windows to decide the setting is no good didn't help.  Rebooting
>didn't help.  Is there a way one of you knows about to return the
>resolution setting to one this monitor will accept?
>
>I'm thinking about dragging a spare monitor that I know works at the 800
>
>x 600 resolution, plugging that in, resetting the resolution, and
>swapping back his old monitor.  Any other ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Tina
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  4 17:57:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:57:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] More revenue for Microsoft
Message-ID: <3FD0568D.4547.504C6@localhost>

Why does this remind me of the drug pusher's technique of supplying 
drugs for free until you  are hooked?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03120403microsoftisfat.asp 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Dec  4 18:21:18 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:21:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] More revenue for Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <3FD0568D.4547.504C6@localhost>
References: <3FD0568D.4547.504C6@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FCFCF7E.8030104@verizon.net>

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>Why does this remind me of the drug pusher's technique of supplying 
>drugs for free until you  are hooked?
>
>http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03120403microsoftisfat.asp 
>  
>
how long is the patent for?, when will expire?

-- 
-Francisco



From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Dec  4 18:40:42 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:40:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] More revenue for Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <3FCFCF7E.8030104@verizon.net>
References: <3FD0568D.4547.504C6@localhost> <3FCFCF7E.8030104@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3FCFD40A.7080808@verizon.net>

Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> Why does this remind me of the drug pusher's technique of supplying 
>> drugs for free until you  are hooked?
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03120403microsoftisfat.asp  
>>
> how long is the patent for?, when will expire?
>
Ok, found out that it's for the next couple of years :(

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm

U.S. Patent #5,579,517
U.S. Patent #5,745,902
U.S. Patent #5,758,352
U.S. Patent #6,286,013

-- 
-Francisco



From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Fri Dec  5 17:35:48 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:35:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] 
	Help with moving files from one hard drive to another (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B07C927@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Everyone,

I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off
his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were do
you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive, etc.
Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his
old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and
the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is
this correct?

Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.

Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just
plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize
each other?

I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I
hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.

Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 


From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Fri Dec  5 18:01:59 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:01:59 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] 
 RE: [AccessD]  Help with moving files from one hard drive to another
 (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B07C928@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Thanks Drew, always a fountain of information.  By the way, I had posted
to dba-Tech as well.  I only got the notice from dba-Tech, not from
AccessD.  If there is more than one dba list in the To line, does it
only use one of those.  I thought I would get two emails and hoped
everyone would then respond to the dba-Tech.

Anyway, again, thank you for confirming and then further explaining the
process.  He is trying to get me to come over and do it for him.  The
bid is currently at free pizza. :-)

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard drive to
anot her (Cross posted)


Okay.  Putting the old hard drive in the new machine is the best idea.
BIG CATCH on that.  The catch is he'll need an open IDE spot.  What I
HIGHLY recommend is that he open his new computer, take the connections
from his CD-ROM and plug them into the old hard drive.  Then boot up.
Your computer should have 2 IDE ports, a primary and secondary.  Off of
those ports are your IDE cables, which have two connections for a master
and a slave.  You need to make sure you have only one master on each
cable, and if there is a second device, that it's configured as a slave.
Typically, a lot of prebuilt computers have the HD as a Master on the
primary IDE, and the CD-Rom as the Master on the secondary IDE.  That's
why I suggested just swapping cables with the CD-ROM.  Of course if
there are two CD-Rom's, you'll need the one that is the master.

As for plugging them 'together', to connect two computer directly
through their NICs, you need a cross-over cable, not a normal Cat-5
cable.

Drew

P.S.--further discussion on this thread should move to the Tech list....

-----Original Message-----
From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:36 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard drive to another
(Cross posted)


Everyone,

I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off
his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were do
you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive, etc.
Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his
old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and
the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is
this correct?

Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.

Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just
plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize
each other?

I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I
hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.

Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Dec  5 21:45:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:45:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech]  RE: [AccessD]  Help with moving files from one hard
	drive to another (Cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B07C928@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>
Message-ID: <013801c3bbab$541463d0$6501a8c0@rock>

Install it as the second drive and up the ante to include at least a
couple of Cokes or (my pref) lattes.... :-)

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stoker,
Kenneth E
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:02 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard
drive to another (Cross posted)


Thanks Drew, always a fountain of information.  By the way, I had posted
to dba-Tech as well.  I only got the notice from dba-Tech, not from
AccessD.  If there is more than one dba list in the To line, does it
only use one of those.  I thought I would get two emails and hoped
everyone would then respond to the dba-Tech.

Anyway, again, thank you for confirming and then further explaining the
process.  He is trying to get me to come over and do it for him.  The
bid is currently at free pizza. :-)

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard drive to
anot her (Cross posted)


Okay.  Putting the old hard drive in the new machine is the best idea.
BIG CATCH on that.  The catch is he'll need an open IDE spot.  What I
HIGHLY recommend is that he open his new computer, take the connections
from his CD-ROM and plug them into the old hard drive.  Then boot up.
Your computer should have 2 IDE ports, a primary and secondary.  Off of
those ports are your IDE cables, which have two connections for a master
and a slave.  You need to make sure you have only one master on each
cable, and if there is a second device, that it's configured as a slave.
Typically, a lot of prebuilt computers have the HD as a Master on the
primary IDE, and the CD-Rom as the Master on the secondary IDE.  That's
why I suggested just swapping cables with the CD-ROM.  Of course if
there are two CD-Rom's, you'll need the one that is the master.

As for plugging them 'together', to connect two computer directly
through their NICs, you need a cross-over cable, not a normal Cat-5
cable.

Drew

P.S.--further discussion on this thread should move to the Tech list....

-----Original Message-----
From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:36 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard drive to another
(Cross posted)


Everyone,

I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off
his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were do
you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive, etc.
Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his
old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and
the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is
this correct?

Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.

Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just
plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize
each other?

I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I
hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.

Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 

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From DBCfour at aol.com  Fri Dec  5 22:42:19 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:42:19 EST
Subject: [dba-Tech]  RE: [AccessD]  Help with moving files from one hard
	drive to ...
Message-ID: <1d2.15a0fc52.2d02b82b@aol.com>


One caveat to this plan.  Make sure he's aware that when you crack the case 
and install the old drive into the new machine, he'll more than likely void his 
warranty.

Donna

> Okay.  Putting the old hard drive in the new machine is the best idea.
> BIG CATCH on that.  The catch is he'll need an open IDE spot.  What I
> HIGHLY recommend is that he open his new computer, take the connections
> from his CD-ROM and plug them into the old hard drive.  Then boot up.
> Your computer should have 2 IDE ports, a primary and secondary.  Off of
> those ports are your IDE cables, which have two connections for a master
> and a slave.  You need to make sure you have only one master on each
> cable, and if there is a second device, that it's configured as a slave.
> Typically, a lot of prebuilt computers have the HD as a Master on the
> primary IDE, and the CD-Rom as the Master on the secondary IDE.  That's
> why I suggested just swapping cables with the CD-ROM.  Of course if
> there are two CD-Rom's, you'll need the one that is the master.
> 
> As for plugging them 'together', to connect two computer directly
> through their NICs, you need a cross-over cable, not a normal Cat-5
> cable.
> 
> Drew
> 
> P.S.--further discussion on this thread should move to the Tech list....
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stoker, Kenneth E [mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov]
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:36 PM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Help with moving files from one hard drive to another
> (Cross posted)
> 
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off
> his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were do
> you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive, etc.
> Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his
> old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and
> the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is
> this correct?
> 
> Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
> New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.
> 
> Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just
> plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize
> each other?
> 
> I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I
> hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.
> 
> Any help offered is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Ken Stoker


From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru  Fri Dec  5 16:42:40 2003
From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:42:40 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] 
	Microsoft Practice Tests, Exam Reviews, and Self Study Tools for IT
	Certification
Message-ID: <005801c3bb81$24015bf0$b501010a@PARIS>

Hi All,

Have anybody tried these Microsoft Practice Tests, Exam Reviews, and
Self Study Tools for IT Certification

http://www.selftestsoftware.com/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=1000

to prepare and pass exams for MCSD.NET or MCDBA?

The courses in auditorium are usually very boring and quite expensive.

Are these above worth to spend money on?

Maybe you know other better options? - the best would be something like
certification exams' questions CDs with or without answers...

TIA for any additional info,
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 00:38:29 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:38:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to another
	(Cross posted)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F227Phnziaf8qn000037d3@hotmail.com>

I'd hook them together via the NIC's. You may need a special crossover type 
of cable or else a hub to connect the two systems, but either of those 
should be pretty cheap. You will also need to put a share on the Win98 
system to allow the WinXP system to see it's hard drive. Windows XP has a 
nice wizard that will walk you through everything you need to do on that 
side.

You also could just move the hard drive if they want to keep the entire 
drive. You may need to set some jumpers on the drives - maybe. I just added 
a new hard drive to my home system and found that the newer drives don't use 
jumpers to designate primary or slave drive anymore, it just goes by the 
position they are plugged into on the cable.  Still is dooable - just have 
to determine what each of the two drives capabilities are as far as being 
primary or slave and how to set them for that mode. If you google on the 
type and model of drives, you will undoubtably find info on how to do it.

Dell has a pretty good section on their site telling you how to do it to 
their systems step by step - with pictures and everything.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" <Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com, AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to another 
>(Cross posted)
>Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:35:48 -0800
>
>Everyone,
>
>I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off
>his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were do
>you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive, etc.
>Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his
>old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and
>the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is
>this correct?
>
>Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
>New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.
>
>Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just
>plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize
>each other?
>
>I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I
>hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.
>
>Any help offered is greatly appreciated.
>
>Ken Stoker
>Technology Commercialization
>Information Systems Administrator
>PH: (509) 375-3758
>FAX: (509) 375-6731
>E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>_______________________________________________
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>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Dec  6 04:25:42 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:25:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to
	another(Cross posted)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF81@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

If files are not that big, u could use a cheap USB memory stick.
I always have one with me and it fare more easyer to use and install
then disk or network (depends on what is already available at the
premisses ofcourse).

USB interface and atleast W98 are needed for a USB memory stick.
Does not work with Windows NT 4, because of lack of USB support.

Comes in multple sizes, 256,512MB and I suspose 1GB should be out there
to.
Copying to or from an USB sticj is ofcourse slower than from disk to
disk or network to network so copying 100GB would not be a good idea.
Working with two sticks could speed up the process.

Erwin 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gary Kjos
Verzonden: zaterdag 6 december 2003 7:38
Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to
another(Cross posted)

I'd hook them together via the NIC's. You may need a special crossover
type of cable or else a hub to connect the two systems, but either of
those should be pretty cheap. You will also need to put a share on the
Win98 system to allow the WinXP system to see it's hard drive. Windows
XP has a nice wizard that will walk you through everything you need to
do on that side.

You also could just move the hard drive if they want to keep the entire
drive. You may need to set some jumpers on the drives - maybe. I just
added a new hard drive to my home system and found that the newer drives
don't use jumpers to designate primary or slave drive anymore, it just
goes by the position they are plugged into on the cable.  Still is
dooable - just have to determine what each of the two drives
capabilities are as far as being primary or slave and how to set them
for that mode. If you google on the type and model of drives, you will
undoubtably find info on how to do it.

Dell has a pretty good section on their site telling you how to do it to
their systems step by step - with pictures and everything.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" <Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com, AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to 
>another (Cross posted)
>Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:35:48 -0800
>
>Everyone,
>
>I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off

>his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were 
>do you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive,
etc.
>Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his 
>old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and 
>the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is 
>this correct?
>
>Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
>New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.
>
>Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just 
>plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize

>each other?
>
>I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I 
>hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.
>
>Any help offered is greatly appreciated.
>
>Ken Stoker
>Technology Commercialization
>Information Systems Administrator
>PH: (509) 375-3758
>FAX: (509) 375-6731
>E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>_______________________________________________
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From shamil-users at mns.ru  Sat Dec  6 07:14:41 2003
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:14:41 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: TEST - IGNORE
Message-ID: <000701c3bbfa$ea4626f0$b501010a@PARIS>


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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Sat Dec  6 07:18:00 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:18:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive
	toanother(Cross posted)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050928D@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Or you could try the File and Settings Transfer Wizard on the Win XP CD.

Jeff Barrows

 

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

Phone: (262) 634-0653

Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com

www.outbaktech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:26 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive
toanother(Cross posted)

If files are not that big, u could use a cheap USB memory stick.
I always have one with me and it fare more easyer to use and install
then disk or network (depends on what is already available at the
premisses ofcourse).

USB interface and atleast W98 are needed for a USB memory stick.
Does not work with Windows NT 4, because of lack of USB support.

Comes in multple sizes, 256,512MB and I suspose 1GB should be out there
to.
Copying to or from an USB sticj is ofcourse slower than from disk to
disk or network to network so copying 100GB would not be a good idea.
Working with two sticks could speed up the process.

Erwin 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gary Kjos
Verzonden: zaterdag 6 december 2003 7:38
Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to
another(Cross posted)

I'd hook them together via the NIC's. You may need a special crossover
type of cable or else a hub to connect the two systems, but either of
those should be pretty cheap. You will also need to put a share on the
Win98 system to allow the WinXP system to see it's hard drive. Windows
XP has a nice wizard that will walk you through everything you need to
do on that side.

You also could just move the hard drive if they want to keep the entire
drive. You may need to set some jumpers on the drives - maybe. I just
added a new hard drive to my home system and found that the newer drives
don't use jumpers to designate primary or slave drive anymore, it just
goes by the position they are plugged into on the cable.  Still is
dooable - just have to determine what each of the two drives
capabilities are as far as being primary or slave and how to set them
for that mode. If you google on the type and model of drives, you will
undoubtably find info on how to do it.

Dell has a pretty good section on their site telling you how to do it to
their systems step by step - with pictures and everything.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" <Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com, AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Help with moving files from one hard drive to 
>another (Cross posted)
>Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:35:48 -0800
>
>Everyone,
>
>I have a co-worker who came to me and asked me how to get the files off

>his old computer onto his new computer.  First questions I asked were 
>do you have any larger capacity media drives, cd burner, zip drive,
etc.
>Answer is no.  So, I thought it should be possible for him to open his 
>old computer, take out the hard drive, put it in his new computer and 
>the new computer on boot up should recognize the older hard drive.  Is 
>this correct?
>
>Old machine:  PII 233MHz running Win98
>New machine:  PIV 2.66 GHz running WinXP Pro.
>
>Another option is that he says both machines have NICs.  Can he just 
>plug the two machines together through the NICs and have them recognize

>each other?
>
>I have to admit that I haven't tried to do things this way myself so I 
>hope that some extra guidance can help us get this right.
>
>Any help offered is greatly appreciated.
>
>Ken Stoker
>Technology Commercialization
>Information Systems Administrator
>PH: (509) 375-3758
>FAX: (509) 375-6731
>E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 12:09:41 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:09:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: TEST - IGNORE
Message-ID: <BAY2-F107wdbWKEVqr400001607@hotmail.com>

Yea!  It works....Thanks Bryan.



Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil-users at mns.ru>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "dba - Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: TEST - IGNORE
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:14:41 +0300
>
>
>--
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>Web:   http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Dec  8 09:56:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:56:22 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF8F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Techies
 
I migrated last week a user from an old to a new notebook.
I'm pretty familiar with Outlook/MSEX server but apparently his contacts
are now missing.
 
>From what I understand from the user they where not stored in his
contacts folder of his Echange Server mailbox.
So normaly (in my experiance) they are in a WAB (Windows Address Book)
or in a seperate PST file.
But gues what, I searched the drive, nothing to find with those
contacts.
 
So now I'm wondering if they could be stored somewhere else.
Like in Outlook Express? I never install O-EX at a customer site, so I
really don't know if the contacts in O-EX can be shared with Outlook (2K
in this case), E-mail can so....
 
I see some other contact management applications coming up that are an
add-in in Outlook, like Plaxo.
Now, I really have no confidence in Plaxo (mostly because it's free) so
I wonder if someone has this add-in and you remove it, do you loose your
contacts? and is reinstalling the Plaxo -add-in the onlyy wy to get them
back in this case?
 
 
Or any other clues would help me.
 

 

Erwin Craps

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 10:03:36 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:03:36 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A042@ALCUXB>

Hi Erwin

The Outlook express mailboxes are found in c:\documents and
settings\(user)\application data\identities\(really long alpha numeric
"word")\ then in one of the sub folders there... I think the address book is
stored there too, else it's part of the windows address book, which is found
in the windows folder? (tha's just a guess though...).

I think the addresses CAN be shared, or at least imported. Although if they
are imported, I'm pretty sure that they should migrate into Outlooks contact
list, as a separate entity.

HTH


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 08 December 2003 15:56
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.


Hi Techies
 
I migrated last week a user from an old to a new notebook.
I'm pretty familiar with Outlook/MSEX server but apparently his contacts
are now missing.
 
>From what I understand from the user they where not stored in his
contacts folder of his Echange Server mailbox.
So normaly (in my experiance) they are in a WAB (Windows Address Book)
or in a seperate PST file.
But gues what, I searched the drive, nothing to find with those
contacts.
 
So now I'm wondering if they could be stored somewhere else.
Like in Outlook Express? I never install O-EX at a customer site, so I
really don't know if the contacts in O-EX can be shared with Outlook (2K
in this case), E-mail can so....
 
I see some other contact management applications coming up that are an
add-in in Outlook, like Plaxo.
Now, I really have no confidence in Plaxo (mostly because it's free) so
I wonder if someone has this add-in and you remove it, do you loose your
contacts? and is reinstalling the Plaxo -add-in the onlyy wy to get them
back in this case?
 
 
Or any other clues would help me.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Dec  8 14:20:41 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:20:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Indirect Synchronization blues
Message-ID: <20031208142041.1893904441.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I thought I'd try here with a limited stab at my overall problem with Indirect Synchronization.

I set up an FTP folder on my web site (hosted by CrystalTech). The folder is protected by a user name and password. I then went to Windows Explorer (I'm using Windows 2000) and added a Network Place. I typed in the following:

    ftp://jobanalysis at www.swerbach.com (jobanalysis is the User Name)

in the Add Network Place Wizard. I then named the folder "JA" and Windows asked me for the password for the jobanalysis User Name. As soon as I did that I saw the JA folder appear under My Network Places. I also saw a folder named www.swerbach.com appear under Internet Explorer. So there are two folders in Windows Explorer that now point to the same FTP folder.

So far so good. Now I wanted to map a network drive letter to the folder...but when I select the new JA FTP folder in the Browse window, the OK button remains unavailable. I can't, apparently, assign a drive letter to that FTP folder.

I'm stymied right out of the starting blocks. I can't select that JA folder when I'm configuring Indirect Synchronization in Replication Manager either. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Regards,
 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Dec  9 12:38:58 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:38:58 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
In-Reply-To: <20031208142041.1893904441.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3be83$b522dd20$6601a8c0@rock>

As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that
embed the non-compliant Java engine:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp

Arthur



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Dec  9 10:48:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:48:19 +0100
Subject: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF96@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Haha 

Found it.

.WAB files changed from extension from a certan windows version on to
.PAB
The thing is I did knew this but seem to have forgot it....

Yeah yeah, I'm getting old....
86 in the morning, 38 during daytime and 21 in the evening.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.

Hi Erwin

The Outlook express mailboxes are found in c:\documents and
settings\(user)\application data\identities\(really long alpha numeric
"word")\ then in one of the sub folders there... I think the address
book is stored there too, else it's part of the windows address book,
which is found in the windows folder? (tha's just a guess though...).

I think the addresses CAN be shared, or at least imported. Although if
they are imported, I'm pretty sure that they should migrate into
Outlooks contact list, as a separate entity.

HTH


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 08 December 2003 15:56
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.


Hi Techies
 
I migrated last week a user from an old to a new notebook.
I'm pretty familiar with Outlook/MSEX server but apparently his contacts
are now missing.
 
>From what I understand from the user they where not stored in his
contacts folder of his Echange Server mailbox.
So normaly (in my experiance) they are in a WAB (Windows Address Book)
or in a seperate PST file.
But gues what, I searched the drive, nothing to find with those
contacts.
 
So now I'm wondering if they could be stored somewhere else.
Like in Outlook Express? I never install O-EX at a customer site, so I
really don't know if the contacts in O-EX can be shared with Outlook (2K
in this case), E-mail can so....
 
I see some other contact management applications coming up that are an
add-in in Outlook, like Plaxo.
Now, I really have no confidence in Plaxo (mostly because it's free) so
I wonder if someone has this add-in and you remove it, do you loose your
contacts? and is reinstalling the Plaxo -add-in the onlyy wy to get them
back in this case?
 
 
Or any other clues would help me.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 11:01:47 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:01:47 +0000
Subject: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Message-ID: <20031209170145.4802F24FB4F@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

:-)
Sounds like you better get a night job.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Date: 09/12/03 15:48


Haha

Found it.

..WAB files changed from extension from a certan windows version on to
..PAB
The thing is I did knew this but seem to have forgot it....

Yeah yeah, I'm getting old....
86 in the morning, 38 during daytime and 21 in the evening.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.

Hi Erwin

The Outlook express mailboxes are found in c:documents and
settings(user)application dataidentities(really long alpha numeric
"word") then in one of the sub folders there... I think the address
book is stored there too, else it's part of the windows address book,
which is found in the windows folder? (tha's just a guess though...).

I think the addresses CAN be shared, or at least imported. Although if
they are imported, I'm pretty sure that they should migrate into
Outlooks contact list, as a separate entity.

HTH


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 08 December 2003 15:56
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.


Hi Techies

I migrated last week a user from an old to a new notebook.
I'm pretty familiar with Outlook/MSEX server but apparently his contacts
are now missing.

>From what I understand from the user they where not stored in his
contacts folder of his Echange Server mailbox.
So normaly (in my experiance) they are in a WAB (Windows Address Book)
or in a seperate PST file.
But gues what, I searched the drive, nothing to find with those
contacts.

So now I'm wondering if they could be stored somewhere else.
Like in Outlook Express? I never install O-EX at a customer site, so I
really don't know if the contacts in O-EX can be shared with Outlook (2K
in this case), E-mail can so....

I see some other contact management applications coming up that are an
add-in in Outlook, like Plaxo.
Now, I really have no confidence in Plaxo (mostly because it's free) so
I wonder if someone has this add-in and you remove it, do you loose your
contacts? and is reinstalling the Plaxo -add-in the onlyy wy to get them
back in this case?


Or any other clues would help me.




Erwin Craps

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec  9 12:10:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:10:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEHGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits his
hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause the
"click".

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Dec  9 12:14:55 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:14:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306CBD59@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB096@ADGSERVER>

The MS mice come with inteelipoint.  With that utility,, you can program the
buttons for whatever you want for a particular program.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:10 PM
To: DBA - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits his
hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause the
"click".

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec  9 12:23:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:23:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEHGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEHGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <10939109686.20031209192338@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-09 19:10

> Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
> 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits his
> hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
> games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause the
> "click".

> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Dec  9 12:37:04 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:37:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEHGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<10939109686.20031209192338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003601c3be83$b5de64f0$1d0b6351@martin1>

You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
> > games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Dec  9 12:38:39 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:38:39 -0500 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB978@nnse14.nns.com>

I'd have to agree with Gustav on this one (except for the Mac part;)).  My
2.5 year old daughter is going through the same learning curve...usually
sitting in the lap of her 6 year old sister who's had her own computer for
nearly 3 years.  Almost time to build another machine...:)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:10 PM
To: DBA - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits his
hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause the
"click".

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Dec  9 13:04:57 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:04:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB978@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB978@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3FD61CD9.70307@verizon.net>

I remember when my son was tapping away on the computer... at about 
18months he  would click both buttons, and eventually learned to simply 
just use the left button... now at age 7 he knows to click the left or 
right button for games such as Simpson's Hit & Run ;o).

-- 
-Francisco


Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote:

>I'd have to agree with Gustav on this one (except for the Mac part;)).  My
>2.5 year old daughter is going through the same learning curve...usually
>sitting in the lap of her 6 year old sister who's had her own computer for
>nearly 3 years.  Almost time to build another machine...:)
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:10 PM
>To: DBA - Tech
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
>
>
>Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
>2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits his
>hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
>games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause the
>"click".
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
>
>  
>




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Dec  9 13:04:18 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:04:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB978@nnse14.nns.com>
	<3FD61CD9.70307@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004501c3be87$3fd74200$1d0b6351@martin1>

LOL
I have one about that age now sitting on my knee saying workie and hitting
the keyboard every so often.

HE loves playing with the mouse and keyboard and says he is working LOL

He just opened the CD tray while a cd was playing, now hes at the USB port
and the on of switch.Now he is taking papers out of the desk. Its amazing
they can get into so much stuff in the space of writing an email (<:

Martin

PS

Now hes trying to get a CD in the FDD




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> I remember when my son was tapping away on the computer... at about
> 18months he  would click both buttons, and eventually learned to simply
> just use the left button... now at age 7 he knows to click the left or
> right button for games such as Simpson's Hit & Run ;o).
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
>
>
> Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote:
>
> >I'd have to agree with Gustav on this one (except for the Mac part;)).
My
> >2.5 year old daughter is going through the same learning curve...usually
> >sitting in the lap of her 6 year old sister who's had her own computer
for
> >nearly 3 years.  Almost time to build another machine...:)
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:10 PM
> >To: DBA - Tech
> >Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
> >2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits
his
> >hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
> >games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause
the
> >"click".
> >
> >John W. Colby
> >www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Dec  9 13:05:14 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:05:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
References: <000901c3be83$b522dd20$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <009401c3be87$6070bf50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I was just thinking about OXP developer edition because I want to launch a
product next year and so far I've decided that the user has to have access,
which avoids all those deployment issues.  But then I thought I could pick
up a few more customers with a run-time install.

I thought that deploying a run time in OXP using MS stuff was supposed to be
much better?  I've got WISE Ver. 9 but would have to buy the Sagekey
scripts.

Anyway, without MS supporting OXP developer, how do we deploy run-times of
our apps?

Any advice?

MTIA

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products


> As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that
> embed the non-compliant Java engine:
>
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp
>
> Arthur
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec  9 14:14:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:14:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <10939109686.20031209192338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEFBGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

He knows that he's supposed to use the left button.  It's just that the
mouse simply doesn't fit him correctly to do that.  When he forgets and his
finger strays off to the right, he clicks and clicks and gets all
frustrated.

I am sure he will eventually learn but it seems obvious to help him out
until he's a little bigger and the mouse fits his hand better.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


Hi John

Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-09 19:10

> Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My son,
> 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits
his
> hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
> games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause
the
> "click".

> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec  9 14:15:44 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:15:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
References: <000901c3be83$b522dd20$6601a8c0@rock>
	<009401c3be87$6070bf50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <005401c3be91$39c08700$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...O2K ODE is on the hit list Rocky, not OXP ODE :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products


> I was just thinking about OXP developer edition because I want to launch a
> product next year and so far I've decided that the user has to have
access,
> which avoids all those deployment issues.  But then I thought I could pick
> up a few more customers with a run-time install.
>
> I thought that deploying a run time in OXP using MS stuff was supposed to
be
> much better?  I've got WISE Ver. 9 but would have to buy the Sagekey
> scripts.
>
> Anyway, without MS supporting OXP developer, how do we deploy run-times of
> our apps?
>
> Any advice?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:38 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
>
>
> > As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that
> > embed the non-compliant Java engine:
> >
> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec  9 14:15:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <003601c3be83$b5de64f0$1d0b6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFBGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  Some
> > games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Dec  9 14:38:29 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:38:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <20626615.1071001030348.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000501c3be94$67889f30$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

I have a small mouse that I like a lot.  It's a Fellowes Mini Web Pro - very
small and light.  I also has a wheel between the two buttons which could be
a 'wall' between the two buttons for your son.  This is not wireless, but
has a USB connection.

It also has a Back button, a Forward button, and the wheel is a button, all
of which can be set up to do whatever.

HTH,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse 
> > fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  
> > Some games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either 
> > button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  9 14:43:37 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:43:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
Message-ID: <BAY2-F148YlDwtfEVPM0001af3f@hotmail.com>

ODE XP is the first one on the list I see...


>In order to give our subscribers more time to download copies of the
content
>scheduled to be removed from MSDN Subscriber Downloads, we have reset the
>revision date to 12:01 AM Pacific Time on December 23.  The following
>products will be removed permanently from MSDN Subscriber Downloads at
that
>time:
>
>Office XP Developer
>Visio 2000
>BackOffice Server 2000
>Office 2000 Developer
>Office 2000 Tools
>Office 2000 Multilingual
>Office 2000 Premium SR-1
>Office 2000 Service Pack 2
>Outlook 2000
>Project 2000
>SQL Server 7
>SQL Server 7 Service Pack 3
>Embedded Visual Tools 3.0
>Visual Studio 6 MSDE
>IE 5.5
>MapPoint 2002
>Visual Studio 6.0 SP3 and SP5
>Windows 98
>Windows 98 Y2K
>Windows 98 Resource Kit
>Windows 98 SP1 (all win98 except SE)
>Windows NT 4.0 (Terminal Server and Option Pack)
>ISA Server 2000
>Visual Basic for (Alpha Systems)
>
>The following products will be updated to versions that do not contain the
>Microsoft Virtual Machine:
>
>Office XP Professional with FrontPage
>Publisher 2002
>Windows NT 4.0 (Workstation, Server, Enterprise Server)
>Small Business Server 2000
>
>Please feel free to ping me directly (don't forget to delete the .nospam)
if
>you have any questions.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues"<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:15:44 -0500
>
>...O2K ODE is on the hit list Rocky, not OXP ODE :)
>
>William Hindman
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>government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
>
>
> > I was just thinking about OXP developer edition because I want to launch 
>a
> > product next year and so far I've decided that the user has to have
>access,
> > which avoids all those deployment issues.  But then I thought I could 
>pick
> > up a few more customers with a run-time install.
> >
> > I thought that deploying a run time in OXP using MS stuff was supposed 
>to
>be
> > much better?  I've got WISE Ver. 9 but would have to buy the Sagekey
> > scripts.
> >
> > Anyway, without MS supporting OXP developer, how do we deploy run-times 
>of
> > our apps?
> >
> > Any advice?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
> >
> >
> > > As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that
> > > embed the non-compliant Java engine:
> > >
> > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Dec  9 14:45:53 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:45:53 -0500 
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB97C@nnse14.nns.com>

I admit I haven't read anything from the horse's mouth yet...but has there
been any mention of ongoing support for those products on the hit list?
Hopefully M$ isn't going to take advantage of this situation by withdrawing
support and forcing users into an earlier upgrade path:(



Mark



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Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products


As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that embed
the non-compliant Java engine:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Dec  9 14:55:26 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:55:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
References: <000501c3be94$67889f30$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <001501c3be96$c9e2c640$1d0b6351@martin1>

John

I remember MS had some sort of ball device for kids to use with PCs. Can
remember excatly but they did sell something for small hands.

Martin


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec  9 15:02:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:02:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <000501c3be94$67889f30$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Dan,

Thanks for that.  I had a wheeled mouse and the wheel just naturally
attracted his fingers and nothing worked because he was constantly playing
with the wheel.  The wheel is rather hard to resist.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


John,

I have a small mouse that I like a lot.  It's a Fellowes Mini Web Pro - very
small and light.  I also has a wheel between the two buttons which could be
a 'wall' between the two buttons for your son.  This is not wireless, but
has a USB connection.

It also has a Back button, a Forward button, and the wheel is a button, all
of which can be set up to do whatever.

HTH,
Dan Waters

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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse
> > fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.
> > Some games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either
> > button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Dec  9 15:29:39 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:29:39 +0100
Subject: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF98@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Huummmm

I still have some DJ vibes in me....
Sounds more fun than those dull VBA code.

OK guys, 1 software development company for sale!

Erwin

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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from
Outlook.

:-)
Sounds like you better get a night job.

--
Andy Lacey
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: SOLVED: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from
Outlook.
Date: 09/12/03 15:48


Haha

Found it.

..WAB files changed from extension from a certan windows version on to
..PAB The thing is I did knew this but seem to have forgot it....

Yeah yeah, I'm getting old....
86 in the morning, 38 during daytime and 21 in the evening.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.

Hi Erwin

The Outlook express mailboxes are found in c:documents and
settings(user)application dataidentities(really long alpha numeric
"word") then in one of the sub folders there... I think the address book
is stored there too, else it's part of the windows address book, which
is found in the windows folder? (tha's just a guess though...).

I think the addresses CAN be shared, or at least imported. Although if
they are imported, I'm pretty sure that they should migrate into
Outlooks contact list, as a separate entity.

HTH


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 08 December 2003 15:56
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] E-mail adress list disapeared from Outlook.


Hi Techies

I migrated last week a user from an old to a new notebook.
I'm pretty familiar with Outlook/MSEX server but apparently his contacts
are now missing.

>From what I understand from the user they where not stored in his
contacts folder of his Echange Server mailbox.
So normaly (in my experiance) they are in a WAB (Windows Address Book)
or in a seperate PST file.
But gues what, I searched the drive, nothing to find with those
contacts.

So now I'm wondering if they could be stored somewhere else.
Like in Outlook Express? I never install O-EX at a customer site, so I
really don't know if the contacts in O-EX can be shared with Outlook (2K
in this case), E-mail can so....

I see some other contact management applications coming up that are an
add-in in Outlook, like Plaxo.
Now, I really have no confidence in Plaxo (mostly because it's free) so
I wonder if someone has this add-in and you remove it, do you loose your
contacts? and is reinstalling the Plaxo -add-in the onlyy wy to get them
back in this case?


Or any other clues would help me.




Erwin Craps

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec  9 15:59:57 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:59:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
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Message-ID: <001401c3be9f$c8e8bfc0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...^%$#*&@# ...blind as a bat and can't read either :(((((

William Hindman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products


> ODE XP is the first one on the list I see...
>
>
> >In order to give our subscribers more time to download copies of the
> content
> >scheduled to be removed from MSDN Subscriber Downloads, we have reset the
> >revision date to 12:01 AM Pacific Time on December 23.  The following
> >products will be removed permanently from MSDN Subscriber Downloads at
> that
> >time:
> >
> >Office XP Developer
> >Visio 2000
> >BackOffice Server 2000
> >Office 2000 Developer
> >Office 2000 Tools
> >Office 2000 Multilingual
> >Office 2000 Premium SR-1
> >Office 2000 Service Pack 2
> >Outlook 2000
> >Project 2000
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> >Embedded Visual Tools 3.0
> >Visual Studio 6 MSDE
> >IE 5.5
> >MapPoint 2002
> >Visual Studio 6.0 SP3 and SP5
> >Windows 98
> >Windows 98 Y2K
> >Windows 98 Resource Kit
> >Windows 98 SP1 (all win98 except SE)
> >Windows NT 4.0 (Terminal Server and Option Pack)
> >ISA Server 2000
> >Visual Basic for (Alpha Systems)
> >
> >The following products will be updated to versions that do not contain
the
> >Microsoft Virtual Machine:
> >
> >Office XP Professional with FrontPage
> >Publisher 2002
> >Windows NT 4.0 (Workstation, Server, Enterprise Server)
> >Small Business Server 2000
> >
> >Please feel free to ping me directly (don't forget to delete the .nospam)
> if
> >you have any questions.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
> >issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software
> >issues"<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
> >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:15:44 -0500
> >
> >...O2K ODE is on the hit list Rocky, not OXP ODE :)
> >
> >William Hindman
> >Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> >government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> ><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
> >
> >
> > > I was just thinking about OXP developer edition because I want to
launch
> >a
> > > product next year and so far I've decided that the user has to have
> >access,
> > > which avoids all those deployment issues.  But then I thought I could
> >pick
> > > up a few more customers with a run-time install.
> > >
> > > I thought that deploying a run time in OXP using MS stuff was supposed
> >to
> >be
> > > much better?  I've got WISE Ver. 9 but would have to buy the Sagekey
> > > scripts.
> > >
> > > Anyway, without MS supporting OXP developer, how do we deploy
run-times
> >of
> > > our apps?
> > >
> > > Any advice?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:38 AM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] MS To Junk Flagship Products
> > >
> > >
> > > > As a side-effect of the Sun lawsuit, MS is junking all products that
> > > > embed the non-compliant Java engine:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405300,00.asp
> > > >
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> > > >
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 10 01:41:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:41:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF9B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You could get NiMh batteries with a larger capacity (same size).
There are 1200, 1800, 2100 mAh (at my knowledge).
Price goes up to :-(

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons

I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse 
> > fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  
> > Some games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either 
> > button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:30:26 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A060@ALCUXB>

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"... I
don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the interests of
upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the desk
drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped all the
drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in. Then I turned
it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned off. So I tried it
again, before it struck me that this new case had a bigger power supply than
my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a Pentium 3. So I swapped the
power supplies over and tried again. At first it didn't work, but I realised
that the power leads were not plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling,
and made it all work. I booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and
proceeded to load Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the
white progress bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the
windows logo and blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually
flickers before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen
goes black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or working
completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then stop...


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 10 03:57:34 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:57:34 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF9F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 04:32:40 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:32:40 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A065@ALCUXB>

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to put
them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on, the
fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the good
clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I only
bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 10 05:42:42 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:42:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFA5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha, the graphics card is new.
Is there also an integrated on the board?

In this case remove the new card and connect your monitor (before
turning the machine on) to the integrated connecter.


Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to
put them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on,
the fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the
good clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I
only bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up
until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 05:47:11 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:47:11 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A066@ALCUXB>

no, no onboard card for precisely that reason :-)

I've been using the new card for a week or so with no problems... but I
suppose anything is worth a try


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 11:43
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Aha, the graphics card is new.
Is there also an integrated on the board?

In this case remove the new card and connect your monitor (before
turning the machine on) to the integrated connecter.


Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to
put them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on,
the fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the
good clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I
only bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up
until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 10 06:29:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:29:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF9B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHHGAAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

AAA at that size?  I have never seen any above about 800mah

John W. Colby 
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could get NiMh batteries with a larger capacity (same size).
There are 1200, 1800, 2100 mAh (at my knowledge).
Price goes up to :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons

I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse 
> > fits
his
> > hand he naturally clicks the right mouse key rather than the left.  
> > Some games allow either, but some don't.  I need to make either 
> > button cause
the
> > "click".
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 10 11:43:02 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:43:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFA8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Indeed, those are AA.
Will check my AAA....

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons

AAA at that size?  I have never seen any above about 800mah

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could get NiMh batteries with a larger capacity (same size).
There are 1200, 1800, 2100 mAh (at my knowledge).
Price goes up to :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons

I got a small notebook mouse (wireless) but it doesn't work well.  Eats
batteries (AAA) way to fast to be useful even with the nimh batteries.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


You could always get him a childs mouse

Something like

http://www.techbuy.com.au/product.asp?prodId=37960


Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


> Hi John
>
> Don't bother. He will have to learn sooner or later.
> Or get a Mac - one button fits it all!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-09 19:10
>
> > Does anyone know how to make both mouse buttons cause the click?  My
son,
> > 2.5 years old, plays games which use the mouse.  The way the mouse 
> > fits
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Dec 11 03:18:46 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:18:46 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A08C@ALCUXB>

Got it all sorted last night - turned out that the video drivers had managed
to corrupt themselves, so I started up in VGA mode and reinstalled the
driver and it worked fine.

Thanks for the all suggestions and help


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 11:43
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Aha, the graphics card is new.
Is there also an integrated on the board?

In this case remove the new card and connect your monitor (before
turning the machine on) to the integrated connecter.


Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to
put them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on,
the fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the
good clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I
only bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up
until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec 11 05:20:42 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:20:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFAD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Glad to hear that.
Tap yourself on the shoulder and say "A job well done Jon,  you may
fetch yourself a drink for this excellent achivement."


Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:19 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Got it all sorted last night - turned out that the video drivers had
managed to corrupt themselves, so I started up in VGA mode and
reinstalled the driver and it worked fine.

Thanks for the all suggestions and help


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 11:43
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Aha, the graphics card is new.
Is there also an integrated on the board?

In this case remove the new card and connect your monitor (before
turning the machine on) to the integrated connecter.


Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to
put them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on,
the fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the
good clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I
only bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up
until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec 11 05:24:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:24:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFAE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word
doucment to fill in.
Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
 
This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I
can't find it anywhere.
 
Any clues?
 

 

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Dec 11 05:29:37 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:29:37 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A08F@ALCUXB>

That's not a bad idea, I might just do that! :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 11 December 2003 11:21
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Glad to hear that.
Tap yourself on the shoulder and say "A job well done Jon,  you may
fetch yourself a drink for this excellent achivement."


Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:19 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Got it all sorted last night - turned out that the video drivers had
managed to corrupt themselves, so I started up in VGA mode and
reinstalled the driver and it worked fine.

Thanks for the all suggestions and help


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 11:43
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Aha, the graphics card is new.
Is there also an integrated on the board?

In this case remove the new card and connect your monitor (before
turning the machine on) to the integrated connecter.


Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

Hi Erwin

Yeah, I thought that the cards might be an issue, so I was careful to
put them back in the same slots, but it might be worth a shot...

The graphics card is an AGP one, not integrated, so I'll take everything
out, try going into safe mode with just that in, and see what happens.

I'm pretty sure that everything is running, as all the lights are on,
the fans are turning, and I can hear the hard drive being accessed (the
good clunky noises). I don't know about a second monitor or TV screen, I
only bought the graphics card last week, but it's been working fine up
until now.

Thanks for the suggestions Erwin


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 December 2003 09:58
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...


Hi Jon
Do I  understand correctly that everything is running normaly, except
that you dont see a thing on your screen and the power safe of the
screen is activated?

How do you know everything is running, can you access your computer from
another computer?
Did you replaced the graphic board or have put it into another slot?
Best is to put all AGP/PCI cards in the same slot as they where.
But it can be to late now.

It looks like your screenresolution or refresh rate has changed to a
setting your monitor does not support. Typicaly a problem with flat
screen.
This is easy to solve by booting into safe mode (press F8 at OS boot)
and setting the resolution and refresh rate to one you know your monitor
supports.

Has this grahic board more then 1 output (tv our or second screen). 
If second monitor or tv attached, check if those are not working....

If your pc appaers not to be working (next to the monitor) than you
probably have a driver issue, could happen if you did not installed the
PCI cards in the same slot as before.
Remove all pci cards boot in safe mode.
Reboot and install the pci cards one by one (install, boot, check if ok,
etc...)

If this does not help, remove all PCI cards, USB equipment and remove
all drivers manualy in the device manager while in safe mode.
You gonna need to install all devices and drivers again....

Hoop this gets you back on the road.

Erwin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] If it ain't broke...

I'm sure you've all heard the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix
it"... I don't know why I didn't pay heed to that last night, but in the
interests of upgrading my pc, I thought I'd ignore it.

I bought myself a new case, smaller than my old one (so I can open the
desk drawer directly above it), and with better ventilation. I swapped
all the drives over, and the motherboard, and plugged everything in.
Then I turned it on, all the lights came one briefly, then it turned
off. So I tried it again, before it struck me that this new case had a
bigger power supply than my old one, as it is a Pentium 4 case, not a
Pentium 3. So I swapped the power supplies over and tried again. At
first it didn't work, but I realised that the power leads were not
plugged in correctly, so I did some fiddling, and made it all work. I
booted up again, the BIOS saw all my drives and proceeded to load
Windows 2000. It went through the black screen with the white progress
bar at the bottom, then onto the white screen with the windows logo and
blue progress bar in the middle. Then the monitor usually flickers
before the blue screen appears and I can log on, but the screen goes
black, and my monitor powers down with everything running... I don't
know where to go from here, as I've never heard of this before.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm completely stumped. I could understand it not working at all, or
working completely, I just don't get why it would work partially, then
stop...


Jon


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 11 08:43:38 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:43:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFAE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FD8829A.7040501@torchlake.com>

Hi Erwin,

Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.

Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word
>doucment to fill in.
>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
> 
>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I
>can't find it anywhere.
> 
>Any clues?
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder 
>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
>
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><http://www.stadleuven.be/> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec 11 08:59:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:59:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thank you Tina

But....

It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
the form toolbar.
Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
document.
There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?

I have put the document here.
www.ithelps.be/temp/formulier1vzw.doc

There "should be" no virusses in it (NAI Virus def 4308 of 10 dec 2003).

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word

Hi Erwin,

Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.

Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word 
>doucment to fill in.
>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
> 
>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I 
>can't find it anywhere.
> 
>Any clues?
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder
>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
>
>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the 
>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or 
>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a 
>criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail 
>confirmation to the sender.
>
>IT Helps - I.T. Help Center  ***  Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg
>
>www.ithelps.be <http://www.ithelps.be/>   *  www.boxoffice.be
><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
><http://www.stadleuven.be/>
>
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>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 11 09:11:28 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:11:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FD88920.10803@torchlake.com>

Erwin,

I will go get a copy and see what I find.  ? bient?t

Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Thank you Tina
>
>But....
>
>It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
>the form toolbar.
>Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
>Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
>document.
>There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
>Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?
>
>I have put the document here.
>www.ithelps.be/temp/formulier1vzw.doc
>
>There "should be" no virusses in it (NAI Virus def 4308 of 10 dec 2003).
>
>Erwin
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>Fields
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
>
>Hi Erwin,
>
>Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.
>
>Tina
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word 
>>doucment to fill in.
>>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
>>
>>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I 
>>can't find it anywhere.
>>
>>Any clues?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>>
>>Zaakvoerder
>>
>>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the 
>>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or 
>>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a 
>>criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail 
>>confirmation to the sender.
>>
>>IT Helps - I.T. Help Center  ***  Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg
>>
>>www.ithelps.be <http://www.ithelps.be/>   *  www.boxoffice.be
>><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
>><http://www.stadleuven.be/>
>>
>>IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 **  3000 Leuven
>>
>>IT Helps  *  Phone: +32 16 296 404  *  Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail:
>>Info at ithelps.be
>>
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>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 11 09:16:03 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:16:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FD88A33.1010907@torchlake.com>

Erwin,
Okay, I got my first look - can your user unprotect the document?  
Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Thank you Tina
>
>But....
>
>It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
>the form toolbar.
>Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
>Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
>document.
>There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
>Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?
>
>I have put the document here.
>www.ithelps.be/temp/formulier1vzw.doc
>
>There "should be" no virusses in it (NAI Virus def 4308 of 10 dec 2003).
>
>Erwin
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>Fields
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
>
>Hi Erwin,
>
>Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.
>
>Tina
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word 
>>doucment to fill in.
>>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
>>
>>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I 
>>can't find it anywhere.
>>
>>Any clues?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>>
>>Zaakvoerder
>>
>>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the 
>>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or 
>>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a 
>>criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail 
>>confirmation to the sender.
>>
>>IT Helps - I.T. Help Center  ***  Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg
>>
>>www.ithelps.be <http://www.ithelps.be/>   *  www.boxoffice.be
>><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
>><http://www.stadleuven.be/>
>>
>>IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 **  3000 Leuven
>>
>>IT Helps  *  Phone: +32 16 296 404  *  Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail:
>>Info at ithelps.be
>>
>>Box Office **  Fax: +32 16 296 406 **  Box Office E-mail:
>>Staff at boxoffice.be <mailto:figures at boxoffice.be>
>>
>>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Dec 11 09:25:20 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:25:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
Message-ID: <20031211152524.LODP13528.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>

> From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>

> It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
> the form toolbar.
> Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
> Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
> document.
> There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
> Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?

Nope.

Open a blank New document.

Select Tools|Options... |View Tab

Make sure that the Field Codes check box isn't checked.

OK your way out and reopen the offending document.


--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec 11 09:33:56 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:33:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFB8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Noop, is an offical government document.

The thing is that on another computer and/or the same computer but other
user, the FORMTEXT does not show. So there must be some default setting
somewhere stored but not in the document itself...

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word

Erwin,
Okay, I got my first look - can your user unprotect the document?  
Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Thank you Tina
>
>But....
>
>It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in

>the form toolbar.
>Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
>Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original 
>document.
>There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
>Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?
>
>I have put the document here.
>www.ithelps.be/temp/formulier1vzw.doc
>
>There "should be" no virusses in it (NAI Virus def 4308 of 10 dec
2003).
>
>Erwin
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris

>Fields
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
>
>Hi Erwin,
>
>Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.
>
>Tina
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word 
>>doucment to fill in.
>>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
>>
>>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I 
>>can't find it anywhere.
>>
>>Any clues?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>>
>>Zaakvoerder
>>
>>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the

>>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or

>>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a 
>>criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail 
>>confirmation to the sender.
>>
>>IT Helps - I.T. Help Center  ***  Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg
>>
>>www.ithelps.be <http://www.ithelps.be/>   *  www.boxoffice.be
>><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
>><http://www.stadleuven.be/>
>>
>>IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 **  3000 Leuven
>>
>>IT Helps  *  Phone: +32 16 296 404  *  Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail:
>>Info at ithelps.be
>>
>>Box Office **  Fax: +32 16 296 406 **  Box Office E-mail:
>>Staff at boxoffice.be <mailto:figures at boxoffice.be>
>>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 11 09:25:08 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:25:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFB6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FD88C54.9070008@torchlake.com>

Hi again Erwin,

When I opened your document, the form fields looked as they should. 
 ALT+F9 gave no results, as you mentioned.  I created a fresh blank 
document, then inserted the protected document into my blank document. 
 In the new document, the FORMTEXT did appear.  Here, I used the ALT+F9, 
and the toggle worked.  I wonder if your user can unprotect the document 
and then use the ALT+F9 switch.  

Tina

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Thank you Tina
>
>But....
>
>It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
>the form toolbar.
>Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
>Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
>document.
>There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
>Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?
>
>I have put the document here.
>www.ithelps.be/temp/formulier1vzw.doc
>
>There "should be" no virusses in it (NAI Virus def 4308 of 10 dec 2003).
>
>Erwin
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>Fields
>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
>
>Hi Erwin,
>
>Press ALT+F9 to toggle the field codes back off.
>
>Tina
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who is getting FORM TEXT code in a official word 
>>doucment to fill in.
>>Its a kind of form document to fill in, only in the specific fields.
>>
>>This FORM TEXT codes only appears at his computer/user profile.
>>This must be a setting somewhere in word to see the form codes but I 
>>can't find it anywhere.
>>
>>Any clues?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps
>>
>>Zaakvoerder
>>
>>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>>This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the 
>>intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or 
>>reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a 
>>criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail 
>>confirmation to the sender.
>>
>>IT Helps - I.T. Help Center  ***  Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg
>>
>>www.ithelps.be <http://www.ithelps.be/>   *  www.boxoffice.be
>><http://www.boxoffice.be/>   *  www.stadleuven.be
>><http://www.stadleuven.be/>
>>
>>IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 **  3000 Leuven
>>
>>IT Helps  *  Phone: +32 16 296 404  *  Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail:
>>Info at ithelps.be
>>
>>Box Office **  Fax: +32 16 296 406 **  Box Office E-mail:
>>Staff at boxoffice.be <mailto:figures at boxoffice.be>
>>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 11 09:45:07 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:45:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
References: <20031211152524.LODP13528.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
Message-ID: <3FD89103.4080209@torchlake.com>

Hi Bryan and Erwin,

In the locked document, the Tools|Options. . .|View Tab the Field Codes 
check box is not checked.  It appears empty and grayed.
In the imported locked document - that is the one I inserted into a 
fresh blank document - the FORMTEXT did appear, and, of course the Field 
Codes check box is checked.

My standard setting is to have the Field Codes check box checked - yet, 
when I open Erwin's locked document, I do not see FORMTEXT, I see the 
expected series of little cirlce place holders.  When I insert the 
locked document into a fresh document, the FORMTEXT does appear.

I will be very interested to know your user's result after following 
Bryan's excellent suggestion.

Tina

Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

>>From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>It works with a new document, but the download document is protected in
>>the form toolbar.
>>Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
>>Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original
>>document.
>>There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
>>Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?
>>    
>>
>
>Nope.
>
>Open a blank New document.
>
>Select Tools|Options... |View Tab
>
>Make sure that the Field Codes check box isn't checked.
>
>OK your way out and reopen the offending document.
>
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Dec 11 09:51:04 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:51:04 +0100
Subject: SOLVED [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFBA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Bryan
First thing I tried, but with the document already open in the
background
So now I tried it your way (on my computer to simulate) and it works.
Just called the customer, and its ok now.

Infact with the document open if you look into options>fieldcodes the
choice is disabled due to the security. Closing the document and setting
the fieldcodes off in a blanc doucment did the tric...

Thank you very much Bryan and Tina...
Give yourself a tap on the shoulder and say out loud  "I am second to
none".

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:25 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] FORM TEXT codes in word

> From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>

> It works with a new document, but the download document is protected 
> in the form toolbar.
> Pressing ALT+F9 just beeps and does not change a thing.
> Dooing this in a new document does not reset the other original 
> document.
> There must be some" higher doucment-not-independent setting somewhere.
> Maybe I need to do this in the normal.dot document?

Nope.

Open a blank New document.

Select Tools|Options... |View Tab

Make sure that the Field Codes check box isn't checked.

OK your way out and reopen the offending document.


--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense
isn't so common!

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Dec 11 20:09:56 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:09:56 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <3FC245E8.8030701@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHAEJECMAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

No problem.  I like pushing software that I approve of.  The only software I
don't particulary like, is their eManager for ScanMail, which is the 'spam'
filtering.....but then again, haven't seen a spam filter that really blew my
socks off yet.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


Drew, thanks for pushing Trend.  I've been using Trend Micro since 1997, I
had PcCillin bundeled w/ my Pcchips board.  while the board was crap, the
antivirus software never was, I later bought a product for my former win98
machine called FixIt Utilities, which had a newere copy of TrendMicro
bundled in, I used that software for ages until it became obsolelte.  Now
i'm running TrendMicro PcCillin 2003 on my home PC, and I love it' speed
reliability and stability.  This copy came bundled w/ a firewall, which I
must admit I don't use.  I'm using Sygate Personal Firewall and it's done an
awesome job, no need to stray w/ something that is working efficiently :D


--
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of eManager, which
>is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  Don't get me wrong, it works, as
>well as most of the stuff I've seen out there, but that's the problem.
It's
>not stellar! <grin>
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
>Drew,
>Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.
>
>jb
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>>
>>
>>Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
>>deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
>>levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
>>starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
>>.exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
>>new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
>>(which they do
>>pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
>>of zip files.
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>>
>>
>>That's a shame.
>>
>>I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
>>priority in the work place :o)
>>
>>For true security to ever happen the email security people are
>>going to have
>>to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
>>zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
>>that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
>>attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
>>assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
>>pulled the email
>>aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
>>clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
>>
>>Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
>>
>>Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
>>either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
>>If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
>>eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
>>attachments. (Of
>>course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
>>back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
>>:o)
>>
>>What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
>>writers?
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>>>
>>>
>>>Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
>>>
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
>>>>beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Then
>>>
>>>
>>>>of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>your
>>>
>>>
>>>>zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>change it
>>>
>>>
>>>>back. That's good covenient security.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>MartyConnelly
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
>>>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>server. I keep
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>ldb and mdb
>>>
>>>
>>>>>file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
>>>>>things to a grinding halt.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stuart,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>unfortunate
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>by individuals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>virus checkers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>they only screw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>no place in a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>business where they should be running AV software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
>>>>>>client.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
>>>>>>servers?
>>>>>>(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
>>>>>>workstations)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note:
>>>>>>X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>>All follow ups to that list only. Please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Marty Connelly
>>>>>Victoria, B.C.
>>>>>Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Dec 11 20:15:24 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:15:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS different port
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEJNFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHKEJECMAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Just going through a HUGE backlog of posts.  Two things to keep in mind.
First of all, when using a different port, you MUST prefix the URL with
http:// otherwise the browser won't know what it's connecting too.  So it
would be http://192.168.1.100:54637 .  Also, if you are doing this with a
firewall in between, you need to make sure that port is open.  Sometimes
ISPs block ports they don't think are used, so you may have an ISP issue if
you are trying to access it through the net.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:28 PM
To: DBA - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS different port


I am trying to get IIS set up again on my computer.  I had it running once
using an odd TCP Port (54637) instead of the normal 80.  I have IIS running,
and if I just use 80 I get the web site served up, the same data as my real
web site - just so I know it's working.  However if I go in to the
properties for the site and enter 54637 as the tcp port, I can't see the
site, even locally.

Am I correct that if you use anything other than 80 you have to put in the
workstation name or local IP address colon tcp port?  Ie 192.168.1.100:54637
?



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Dec 11 20:20:10 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:20:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons
In-Reply-To: <001501c3be96$c9e2c640$1d0b6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEJFCMAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

I got Hannah a BIG track ball.  Crayola.  Way bigger then any kids hands,
but that's the point.  The ball is a little smaller then a softball, and the
buttons are BIG red buttons, about 1.5 inches in diameter.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mouse buttons


John

I remember MS had some sort of ball device for kids to use with PCs. Can
remember excatly but they did sell something for small hands.

Martin

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 12 16:54:58 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:54:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOLFHAA.john@winhaven.net>

I had a firewall alert today that I've never had before and I was hoping one
of you network gurus could shed some light on it for me. On W2k.
Here are the Details:
the user has chosen to "block" communications
Inbound UDP packet
Local address,service is <snipped>
Remote address,service is (219.234.228.245,isakmp(500))
Process name is "C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe"

Does lsass.exe have something to do with login security?

JB



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 12 17:22:38 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:22:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] CA Anti-virus
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOMFHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Does anyone here use Computer Associates AV software? Any comments on it?

TIA
JB


From ralph at inweb.co.uk  Sat Dec 13 01:39:34 2003
From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:39:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOLFHAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEOLFHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031213073326.02400348@pop3.inweb.co.uk>

John

At 22:54 12/12/2003, you wrote:

>Process name is "C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe"
>
>Does lsass.exe have something to do with login security?

LSASS is Win2K's Local Security Authentication Server. Don't remove it...

There are many sites that will provide details of the processes listed by 
Task Manager
and whether you can remove them safely .

Here's one ?

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_l.htm

HTH

Ralph Bryce 



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Dec 13 05:33:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:33:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFC9@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thank you Ralph
Needed that...
I'm pretty confident with legimited tasks, but the lists is getting long
to remind...

Erwin
 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Ralph Bryce
Verzonden: zaterdag 13 december 2003 8:40
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe

John

At 22:54 12/12/2003, you wrote:

>Process name is "C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe"
>
>Does lsass.exe have something to do with login security?

LSASS is Win2K's Local Security Authentication Server. Don't remove
it...

There are many sites that will provide details of the processes listed
by Task Manager and whether you can remove them safely .

Here's one -

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_l.htm

HTH

Ralph Bryce 


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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 13 09:50:35 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:50:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031213073326.02400348@pop3.inweb.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEFEOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks Ralph, I wasn't going it remove it as I know it is part of W2k.

But I wanted to know is what specific functions it performed that someone
could be attempting to use it to break into my computer.

So by "local" security authentication server does it mean that it is used
only for my internal network or does it have some bearing on internet
communications also? Just thinking that my firewall should be completely
masking any internal functions and if it isn't used by internet
communications I have a hole. I have a dialup connection to the internet.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:40 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
>
>
> John
>
> At 22:54 12/12/2003, you wrote:
>
> >Process name is "C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe"
> >
> >Does lsass.exe have something to do with login security?
>
> LSASS is Win2K's Local Security Authentication Server. Don't remove it...
>
> There are many sites that will provide details of the processes listed by
> Task Manager
> and whether you can remove them safely .
>
> Here's one ?
>
> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_l.htm
>
> HTH
>
> Ralph Bryce
>
>
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From ralph at inweb.co.uk  Sun Dec 14 06:49:24 2003
From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:49:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEFEOAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031213073326.02400348@pop3.inweb.co.uk>
 <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEFEOAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031214124915.038a7e00@pop3.inweb.co.uk>

John

At 15:50 13/12/2003, you wrote:

>But I wanted to know is what specific functions it performed that someone
>could be attempting to use it to break into my computer.
>
>So by "local" security authentication server does it mean that it is used
>only for my internal network or does it have some bearing on internet
>communications also? Just thinking that my firewall should be completely
>masking any internal functions and if it isn't used by internet
>communications I have a hole. I have a dialup connection to the internet.

I'm no expert, but I think it refers to the local machine ? here's a bit 
more on the subject...

LSASS.EXE is the Local Security Administration Subsystem and it does a lot 
more.
As the Local Security Authority component of the Windows NT Security Subsystem,
it handles all aspects of security administration on the local computer,
including access and permissions, and also works with the domain 
controllers for validation when and if needed.

Validation in Windows is performed by a protected subsystem called the 
Local Security Authority (LSA)
which maintains information about all aspects of local operating system 
security.
In addition to providing interactive user authentication services, the LSA
does the following:
* Manages local security policy.
* Manages audit policy and settings.
* Generates tokens that contain user and group information as well as
information about the security permissions for the user.
The LSA validates your identity based on which entity issued your account.
If it was issued by:
* LSA. The LSA can validate your information by checking its own
Security Accounts Manager (SAM) database. Any workstation or member server
can store local user accounts and information about local groups. However,
these accounts can only be used for accessing that workstation or computer.
* Security authority for the local domain
</technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/gloss_rk_pro.asp?frame=true> or for a
trusted domain. The LSA contacts the entity that issued your account and
asks it to verify that the account is valid and that you are the account
holder.


 From KB Article 308356:

The Lsass.exe process is responsible for management of local security 
authority domain authentication and Active Directory management.
This process handles authentication for both the client and the server, and 
it also governs the Active Directory engine.
The Lsass.exe process is responsible for the following components:
Local Security Authority
Net Logon service
Security Accounts Manager service
LSA Server service
Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)
Kerberos v5 authentication protocol
NTLM authentication protocol

Hope this is of some help. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable might chip in...

Regards,

Ralph Bryce 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Dec 14 07:49:42 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:49:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] CA Anti-virus
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEOMFHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3FDC2426.2044.188711@localhost>

On 12 Dec 2003 at 17:22, John Bartow wrote:

> Does anyone here use Computer Associates AV software? Any comments on
> it?

I use it at work. CA's eTrust Anti Virus. I quite like it.

It doesn't seem to bog down the system like McAfee does.

The company I work for struck a  deal with CA to allow their 
employees to installl the Anti-Virus on their home PCs. I unistalled 
McAfee and installed eTrust AV.

All I can say is WOW!! MY boot times are considerably faster now. My 
system even seems more "pepier" since I got rid of McAfee.

I have tried McAfee, AVG, I installed Norton on someone elses PC and 
have heard complaints ever since.

I would recommend CA's eTrust AV.

BTW, these comments are based on running it on Win2K and XPP

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Standards are like a toothbrush * everyone wants one but no one wants 
to use yours!



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Dec 14 12:08:31 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:08:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IQ Test
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031214124915.038a7e00@pop3.inweb.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c3c26d$4ff92e20$6701a8c0@rock>

You can take a free IQ test at:

http://www.emode.com/tests/uiq/




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 09:40:40 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] CA Anti-virus
In-Reply-To: <3FDC2426.2044.188711@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEFFEOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks Bryan.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:50 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] CA Anti-virus
> 
> 
> On 12 Dec 2003 at 17:22, John Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone here use Computer Associates AV software? Any comments on
> > it?
> 
> I use it at work. CA's eTrust Anti Virus. I quite like it.
> 
> It doesn't seem to bog down the system like McAfee does.
> 
> The company I work for struck a  deal with CA to allow their 
> employees to installl the Anti-Virus on their home PCs. I unistalled 
> McAfee and installed eTrust AV.
> 
> All I can say is WOW!! MY boot times are considerably faster now. My 
> system even seems more "pepier" since I got rid of McAfee.
> 
> I have tried McAfee, AVG, I installed Norton on someone elses PC and 
> have heard complaints ever since.
> 
> I would recommend CA's eTrust AV.
> 
> BTW, these comments are based on running it on Win2K and XPP
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Standards are like a toothbrush * everyone wants one but no one wants 
> to use yours!
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 15 09:40:41 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:40:41 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031214124915.038a7e00@pop3.inweb.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEFFEOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks Ralph, I'm still digesting all of this :o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firewall alert - lsass.exe
>
>
> John
>
> At 15:50 13/12/2003, you wrote:
>
> >But I wanted to know is what specific functions it performed that someone
> >could be attempting to use it to break into my computer.
> >
> >So by "local" security authentication server does it mean that it is used
> >only for my internal network or does it have some bearing on internet
> >communications also? Just thinking that my firewall should be completely
> >masking any internal functions and if it isn't used by internet
> >communications I have a hole. I have a dialup connection to the internet.
>
> I'm no expert, but I think it refers to the local machine ? here's a bit
> more on the subject...
>
> LSASS.EXE is the Local Security Administration Subsystem and it
> does a lot
> more.
> As the Local Security Authority component of the Windows NT
> Security Subsystem,
> it handles all aspects of security administration on the local computer,
> including access and permissions, and also works with the domain
> controllers for validation when and if needed.
>
> Validation in Windows is performed by a protected subsystem called the
> Local Security Authority (LSA)
> which maintains information about all aspects of local operating system
> security.
> In addition to providing interactive user authentication services, the LSA
> does the following:
> * Manages local security policy.
> * Manages audit policy and settings.
> * Generates tokens that contain user and group information as well as
> information about the security permissions for the user.
> The LSA validates your identity based on which entity issued your account.
> If it was issued by:
> * LSA. The LSA can validate your information by checking its own
> Security Accounts Manager (SAM) database. Any workstation or member server
> can store local user accounts and information about local groups. However,
> these accounts can only be used for accessing that workstation or
> computer.
> * Security authority for the local domain
> </technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/gloss_rk_pro.asp?frame=true>
>  or for a
> trusted domain. The LSA contacts the entity that issued your account and
> asks it to verify that the account is valid and that you are the account
> holder.
>
>
>  From KB Article 308356:
>
> The Lsass.exe process is responsible for management of local security
> authority domain authentication and Active Directory management.
> This process handles authentication for both the client and the
> server, and
> it also governs the Active Directory engine.
> The Lsass.exe process is responsible for the following components:
> Local Security Authority
> Net Logon service
> Security Accounts Manager service
> LSA Server service
> Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)
> Kerberos v5 authentication protocol
> NTLM authentication protocol
>
> Hope this is of some help. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable
> might chip in...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ralph Bryce
>
>
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>



From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 15:55:07 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:55:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
Message-ID: <3FDE2DBB.1090809@verizon.net>

my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip 
part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes to 
get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have to 
go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this info and 
have it autoapplied? 

btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)


-- 
-Francisco



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 15 19:08:56 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:08:56 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
References: <3FDE2DBB.1090809@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3FDE5B28.8090804@shaw.ca>

OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002

OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your personal 
folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the following 
Microsoft Web site:


http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx

For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility, 
click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft 
Knowledge Base:
238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File


Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip 
> part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes 
> to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have 
> to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this 
> info and have it autoapplied?
> btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
> settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 16 08:35:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:35:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] X Server (X11) for Windows
Message-ID: <19124155143.20031216153508@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I need an X Server for Windows. For Macs you can download one from
Apple for free:

  http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/

but I cannot find a free one for Windows.
However, MI/X:

  http://www.microimages.com/mix/

is available for USD 25, so we are not talking about big
money, but perhaps someone knows a free alternative?

It if for accessing an app running on the NeTraverse Win4Lin Terminal
Server: 

  http://www.netraverse.com/products/wts/

/gustav


From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Dec 16 10:53:07 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:53:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] OT Outlook mail
In-Reply-To: <000301c3c3ef$43b65a10$5373a8c0@local>
References: <000301c3c3ef$43b65a10$5373a8c0@local>
Message-ID: <3FDF3873.9050505@verizon.net>

Please continue the rest of the thread on the dba-Tech list :)  Thanks.
-- 
-Francisco


Robin Lawrence wrote:

>Jim,
>Well I did have an Uncle Eddie who disappeared off to the States in 1950
>or so before I was born, 
>but have no idea wether he went North ...
>Lets just say the chances are probably small !!!
>Rgds
>Robin
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: 16 December 2003 15:52
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Outlook mail
>
>
>Hi Robin:
>
>Thank very much, I will check this out and get back with the results.
>
>Jim
>PS are we related?...(same last names)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robin Lawrence
>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:49 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Outlook mail
>
>
>Jim,
>I have used OnTrack data recovery with success in the past to recover
>corrupted PST file that scanpst would not mend.
>You can get a trial version of EasyRecovery Pro at
>http://www.ontrack.com/easyrecoveryprofessional/ - this will tell you if
>your file is repairable - unfortunately if it is you have to fork out
>for rhe full product.
>HTH
>Rgds
>Robin Lawrence
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: 16 December 2003 01:44
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook mail
>
>
>Hi folks:
>
>This is an off topic Outlook mail request but it is a real pain. Left
>the
>mail receiving on over-night, apparently there must have been some kind
>of
>power bounce; not enough to shut the computer down but the end result
>was
>that the pst file totally corrupted.
>
>The PST file is not yet to th 2GB maximum but it is getting up. Ran the
>scanpst against a copy and the end results was a couple of directory
>headers
>with nothing in them. There are dozens of directories and hundreds of
>files
>gone but the file size remains the same.
>
>I was wondering if the version of the scanpst file was some older
>version or
>if there is another fix program out there.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Jim
>
>
>  
>



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Dec 16 12:13:28 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:13:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
In-Reply-To: <3FDE5B28.8090804@shaw.ca>
References: <3FDE2DBB.1090809@verizon.net> <3FDE5B28.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FDF4B48.3030406@verizon.net>

THANKS this helped tremendously :)

-- 
-Francisco


MartyConnelly wrote:

> OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002
>
> OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail Folders
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1 
>
>
> Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your 
> personal folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the 
> following Microsoft Web site:
>
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx
>
> For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility, 
> click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft 
> Knowledge Base:
> 238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File
>
>
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>
>> my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip 
>> part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes 
>> to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I 
>> have to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get 
>> this info and have it autoapplied?
>> btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
>> settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>>
>>
>



From artful at rogers.com  Tue Dec 16 23:39:43 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:39:43 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
In-Reply-To: <3FDE5B28.8090804@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000501c3c460$2c2d80f0$6701a8c0@rock>

I asked this question once before but I'm not sure I got the answer I
needed. Situation: 3 Win boxes plus a Win 2000 server. I want to put the
Outlook db on the server (which is RAID) so I can hit it from the 3
boxes no matter which one I'm using. At the moment the pst file is on
one box, not the server. I want to move it to the server then point the
other two instances of Outlook at that file. How do I do this?

TIA,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(


OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002

OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your personal

folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the following 
Microsoft Web site:


http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx

For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility, 
click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft 
Knowledge Base:
238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File


Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip
> part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes 
> to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have

> to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this 
> info and have it autoapplied?
> btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
> settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 16 20:51:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:51:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
In-Reply-To: <000501c3c460$2c2d80f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDPGBAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

AFAIK you don't.  There are locking issues.  I THINK that if only one of
them is in it at a time it may work, but definitely won't if more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:40 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(


I asked this question once before but I'm not sure I got the answer I
needed. Situation: 3 Win boxes plus a Win 2000 server. I want to put the
Outlook db on the server (which is RAID) so I can hit it from the 3
boxes no matter which one I'm using. At the moment the pst file is on
one box, not the server. I want to move it to the server then point the
other two instances of Outlook at that file. How do I do this?

TIA,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(


OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002

OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your personal

folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the following
Microsoft Web site:


http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx

For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility,
click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft
Knowledge Base:
238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File


Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip
> part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes
> to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have

> to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this
> info and have it autoapplied?
> btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and
> settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>
>

--
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Dec 17 01:26:45 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:26:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
In-Reply-To: <000501c3c460$2c2d80f0$6701a8c0@rock>
References: <000501c3c460$2c2d80f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <3FE00535.8000204@verizon.net>

You will want to follow the first link, this way you can locate the .pst 
and simply copy it to the server, next add a personal folders protocol 
and point it to the server, and remove the previous entry for personal 
folders.  Next if you continue down the first document, you'll find the 
necessary files to copy over the settings including tool bar placement.

hth's...

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I asked this question once before but I'm not sure I got the answer I
> needed. Situation: 3 Win boxes plus a Win 2000 server. I want to put the
> Outlook db on the server (which is RAID) so I can hit it from the 3
> boxes no matter which one I'm using. At the moment the pst file is on
> one box, not the server. I want to move it to the server then point the
> other two instances of Outlook at that file. How do I do this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> MartyConnelly
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:09 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
> 
> 
> OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002
> 
> OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail Folders
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
> com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your personal
> 
> folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the following 
> Microsoft Web site:
> 
> 
> http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx
> 
> For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility, 
> click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft 
> Knowledge Base:
> 238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File
> 
> 
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
> 
> 
>>my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip
>>part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes 
>>to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have
> 
> 
>>to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this 
>>info and have it autoapplied?
>>btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
>>settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 17 01:46:38 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:46:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CFF6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe if you move the PST file, opening Outlook will warn it's
missing and you can simply point to it...
Makes it a bit easyer...

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:27 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(

You will want to follow the first link, this way you can locate the .pst
and simply copy it to the server, next add a personal folders protocol
and point it to the server, and remove the previous entry for personal
folders.  Next if you continue down the first document, you'll find the
necessary files to copy over the settings including tool bar placement.

hth's...

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I asked this question once before but I'm not sure I got the answer I 
> needed. Situation: 3 Win boxes plus a Win 2000 server. I want to put 
> the Outlook db on the server (which is RAID) so I can hit it from the 
> 3 boxes no matter which one I'm using. At the moment the pst file is 
> on one box, not the server. I want to move it to the server then point

> the other two instances of Outlook at that file. How do I do this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> MartyConnelly
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:09 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] I hate outlook :(
> 
> 
> OL2002: How to Back Up, Restore, or Move Outlook Data
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=287070&product=ol2002
> 
> OLEXP: How to Back Up the Outlook Express Address Book and Mail 
> Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
> com:80/support/kb/articles/Q188/8/54.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Microsoft has released a utility to automate the backup of your 
> personal
> 
> folders (.pst) file. The utility can be downloaded from the following 
> Microsoft Web site:
> 
> 
> http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/pfbackup.aspx
> 
> For additional information about the Personal Folder Backup utility, 
> click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft 
> Knowledge Base:
> 238782 OL2000: How to Automatically Backup Your Personal Folders File
> 
> 
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
> 
> 
>>my system stopped working the other day..  by that I mean, the tcp/ip 
>>part would not see the network, on boot it would take over 20 minutes 
>>to get to the log on prompt... so IS rebuilt my PC. :(  but now I have
> 
> 
>>to go to my old hdd to get my psts, is there anyway to go get this 
>>info and have it autoapplied?
>>btw, yes my thunderbird client works flawlessly and all folders and 
>>settings were a simple copy and paste ;o)
>>
>>
> 
> 


--
-Francisco

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 17 08:10:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:10:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: <3FDFEE5B.12572.17CEA9@localhost>
Message-ID: <000b01c3c4a7$915e8860$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

"(I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)" Bryan

...lol ...once a moderator ...always a moderator :)

...btw ...what do you find in Belarc that Aida won't turn up? ...I'm curious
why you think you need both ...its not that I have anything against Belarc
...but I found Aida did more and its free to use on my client's systems as
well ...just wondering if I need to look at Belarc again, eh?

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:53, William Hindman wrote:
>
> > ...hhhhmmm ...I've used both ...I prefer aida now but I never saw any
> > problems with belarc ...are you by any chance using it on a Novell
> > client?
>
> As much as you love bugging Gustav about Novell, I have run Belarc on
> PCs with the Novell client on 'em with no noticable issues.
>
> P.S. Paul, I usually rely on more than 1 tools to get me the info I
> need. I use both Belarc and Aida32.
>
> They both return different result sets.
>
> (I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat
> you with experience.
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 17 08:20:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:20:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 He guys

Sorry to come in.
Now you are on the dba tech list I'm joining to.
I'm trying to educate myself not to answer to wrongly posted/or grown
into, threads.
I got caught a few times :-)

I just installed aida, looks very good.
I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
database over here of all my clients networks?

Just knowing if it can is sufficiant,just to save me some time finding
out.

Greetz
Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc

"(I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)" Bryan

...lol ...once a moderator ...always a moderator :)

...btw ...what do you find in Belarc that Aida won't turn up? ...I'm
curious why you think you need both ...its not that I have anything
against Belarc ...but I found Aida did more and its free to use on my
client's systems as well ...just wondering if I need to look at Belarc
again, eh?

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:53, William Hindman wrote:
>
> > ...hhhhmmm ...I've used both ...I prefer aida now but I never saw
any
> > problems with belarc ...are you by any chance using it on a Novell
> > client?
>
> As much as you love bugging Gustav about Novell, I have run Belarc on
> PCs with the Novell client on 'em with no noticable issues.
>
> P.S. Paul, I usually rely on more than 1 tools to get me the info I
> need. I use both Belarc and Aida32.
>
> They both return different result sets.
>
> (I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat
> you with experience.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 17 08:39:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:39:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4123608857.20031217153920@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> I just installed aida, looks very good.

> I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
> script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
> could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
> database over here of all my clients networks?

No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
after a while it times out with an error that the database report
could not be created. So what to do?

/gustav


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 17 09:08:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:08:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<4123608857.20031217153920@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

gustav

...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
...and are you using ADO?

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Hi Erwin
>
> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
>
> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
> > database over here of all my clients networks?
>
> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
> from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
> after a while it times out with an error that the database report
> could not be created. So what to do?
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 17 09:27:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:27:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D00B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


The thing is I'm having big plans for next year.
I wanna spend some time in writing a tool to perform a better job and to
bind my customers to me.

As you know or may not kown, I'm mainly specialized in IT services
(network management, tailor made apps (access), security) day-by-day IT
stuff for SME's up to 50 users.
Well thats mainly between 0 and 25 users. Mainly in companies where no
IT staff is present or just a guy take does it half-time.

I deliberate want a small quantity of clients to provide deep services.
I prefer 100 faithfull clients than 500 more-or-less clients.

So I believe I can improves the updatime of ther computerparc by dooing
more pre-active jobs instead of post-active.
I want to have a database at my premisses of all computers, servers,
printers etc of al my customers. Every problem is logged in my database
linked with the appropriate device.
This database can be consulted by me and the customer over the internet.
Problems can be reported this way to. A mini KB is present to solved
re-occuring issues and specifi stuff for a customer.

This way I have more arguments if they need to move over to a new OS,
computer printer etc. Further more I do no business in supplies. I Loose
some money on that. So If a user could login, he can click on his own
printer and order directly some supplies for it.
My supplier (Techdata) has an XML system which I can use to check stock
and order directly and let it deliver directly at the customer site
(without any intervention of my side).

To commercialy startup this application, I need to do a large scale deep
inveterisation of all equipment (software) at all client premisses. I
have remote access to all of them.
So if I could automise the inventarisation from here saying that the
client  only needs to login once to start on every computer I can pick
up those files to start my database.
If this can be automised (scheduled every two weeks or so), I would spot
when users installed forbiddden software, etc.
I would have an exact idea of how many licenses of office are running
and urge my client to buy adequate licenses.
Or if a user changes his hardware (theft).
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

So the inventorisation of a pc should be automatic and without the user
can disable or ignore it.

Thats why...








 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc

Hi Erwin

> I just installed aida, looks very good.

> I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon 
> script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I 
> could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a 
> general database over here of all my clients networks?

No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button from
AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But after a
while it times out with an error that the database report could not be
created. So what to do?

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 17 09:31:28 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:31:28 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <15226737376.20031217163128@cactus.dk>

Hi William

> ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
> ...and are you using ADO?

"I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
However, I read:

> .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> AIDA32 report process.

Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
check for the existence of the necessary tables ...

It works now. Thanks!

/gustav


>> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
>>
>> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
>> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
>> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
>> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
>> > database over here of all my clients networks?
>>
>> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
>> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
>> from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
>> after a while it times out with an error that the database report
>> could not be created. So what to do?


From tim at irwingreenhouses.com  Wed Dec 17 09:31:14 2003
From: tim at irwingreenhouses.com (Tim Thiessen)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:31:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2000 with Windows XP
Message-ID: <000701c3c4b2$d0cca080$6600a8c0@tim>

Hi Group!
I recently installed Outlook 2000 on a new machine with Windows XP.  It
works fine under the orginal user profile but when I added another user to
the computer, I get the message "Unable to open your default Mail folder.
You do not have permission to log on."  I searched MS Kowledge Base and
found #170637 but it doesn't relate to Windows XP.  I went through the steps
anyway and ended up with the message "The information store could not be
opened".
This message relate to article 222440 concerning the Secur32.dll file but it
looks like a very new version of this file.  Anybody have any information on
how to get Outlook to work with a new user on Windows XP?

Tim Thiessen


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 17 09:40:03 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:40:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D00B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <003501c3c4b4$0a17dfc0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...hhhmmm ...sounds too much like me :)

...aida will definitely feed an Access mdb and you can run it as a service
so no user intervention scheduling is easy ...and there's no reason why the
Access mdb can't in-turn, either e you the file or ftp to your site on a
regular schedule.

...note that while I've done each of the pieces separately I've not married
them and Aida myself ...but it seems like such a good idea that I think I'll
add it to my "to do" list :)

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


>
> The thing is I'm having big plans for next year.
> I wanna spend some time in writing a tool to perform a better job and to
> bind my customers to me.
>
> As you know or may not kown, I'm mainly specialized in IT services
> (network management, tailor made apps (access), security) day-by-day IT
> stuff for SME's up to 50 users.
> Well thats mainly between 0 and 25 users. Mainly in companies where no
> IT staff is present or just a guy take does it half-time.
>
> I deliberate want a small quantity of clients to provide deep services.
> I prefer 100 faithfull clients than 500 more-or-less clients.
>
> So I believe I can improves the updatime of ther computerparc by dooing
> more pre-active jobs instead of post-active.
> I want to have a database at my premisses of all computers, servers,
> printers etc of al my customers. Every problem is logged in my database
> linked with the appropriate device.
> This database can be consulted by me and the customer over the internet.
> Problems can be reported this way to. A mini KB is present to solved
> re-occuring issues and specifi stuff for a customer.
>
> This way I have more arguments if they need to move over to a new OS,
> computer printer etc. Further more I do no business in supplies. I Loose
> some money on that. So If a user could login, he can click on his own
> printer and order directly some supplies for it.
> My supplier (Techdata) has an XML system which I can use to check stock
> and order directly and let it deliver directly at the customer site
> (without any intervention of my side).
>
> To commercialy startup this application, I need to do a large scale deep
> inveterisation of all equipment (software) at all client premisses. I
> have remote access to all of them.
> So if I could automise the inventarisation from here saying that the
> client  only needs to login once to start on every computer I can pick
> up those files to start my database.
> If this can be automised (scheduled every two weeks or so), I would spot
> when users installed forbiddden software, etc.
> I would have an exact idea of how many licenses of office are running
> and urge my client to buy adequate licenses.
> Or if a user changes his hardware (theft).
> Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
>
> So the inventorisation of a pc should be automatic and without the user
> can disable or ignore it.
>
> Thats why...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
> Hi Erwin
>
> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
>
> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a
> > general database over here of all my clients networks?
>
> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button from
> AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But after a
> while it times out with an error that the database report could not be
> created. So what to do?
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 17 09:42:22 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:42:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<15226737376.20031217163128@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003a01c3c4b4$5cc249e0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...de nada ...I think it was you who put me on to aida a while back anyway
:)

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Hi William
>
> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
> > ...and are you using ADO?
>
> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> However, I read:
>
> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> > AIDA32 report process.
>
> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
>
> It works now. Thanks!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
> >>
> >> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
> >> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> >> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
> >> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a
general
> >> > database over here of all my clients networks?
> >>
> >> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
> >> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
> >> from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
> >> after a while it times out with an error that the database report
> >> could not be created. So what to do?
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 17 11:24:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:24:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FE09142.8090207@shaw.ca>

Here is another tool to monitor networks from basics using MS WMI and ADSI
that you can run from Access. WMI has to be installed below Win2000
This would take some time to learn and become familar with
but might get you info not available through various packages.

There are a lot of sample calls here
http://www.activxperts.com/activmonitor/windowsmanagement/wmisamples/

Two functions to list MS hotfixes and msi installed software on local or 
remote macines

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'needs reference set  to WMI extension library and WMI cntl library
'List all hotfixes on Computer Name
Function hotfix(Optional strComputerName = "Local") As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colItems As Object
Dim objItem As Object
Dim colQuickFixes As Object
Dim objQuickFix As Object
Dim strcomputer As String
Dim strMsg As String
' Check command line parameters
Select Case strComputerName
    Case "Local"
        ' Default if none specified is local computer (".")
        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts://./root/cimv2")
        Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_ComputerSystem", , 48)
        For Each objItem In colItems
            strcomputer = objItem.Name
        Next
    Case Else
        ' Command line parameter can either be a computer name
        ' or "/?" to request online help
        strcomputer = strComputerName
        If InStr(strcomputer, "?") > 0 Then Syntax
  
End Select

' Header line for screen output
strMsg = vbCrLf & "Hotfixes installed on " & strcomputer & ":" & vbCrLf 
& vbCrLf

' Enable error handling
On Error Resume Next

' Connect to specified computer
Set objWMIService = 
GetObject("winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!//" & strcomputer & 
"/root/cimv2")
' Display error number and description if applicable
If Err Then ShowError

' Query hotfixes
Set colQuickFixes = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_QuickFixEngineering")
' Display error number and description if applicable
If Err Then ShowError

' Prepare display of results
For Each objQuickFix In colQuickFixes
    strMsg = strMsg _
           & "    Description:       " _
           & objQuickFix.Description & vbCrLf _
           & "    Hot Fix ID:        " _
           & objQuickFix.HotFixID _
           & "    Installation Date: " _
           & objQuickFix.InstallDate _
           & "    Installed By:      " _
           & objQuickFix.InstalledBy & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
Next

' Display results
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & strMsg
hotfix = strMsg
Set objWMIService = Nothing
Set colItems = Nothing
Set objItem = Nothing
Set colQuickFixes = Nothing
Set objQuickFix = Nothing
'Done
End Function


Sub ShowError()
Dim strMsg As String
    strMsg = vbCrLf & "Error # " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & _
             Err.Description & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
     Debug.Print strMsg
     MsgBox strMsg
    Syntax
End Sub


Sub Syntax()
Dim strMsg As String

    strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf _
           & "HotFixes.vbs,  Version 1.00" & vbCrLf _
           & "List installed hotfixes for any computer on the network" _
           & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
           & "Usage:  CSCRIPT  //NOLOGO  HOTFIXES.VBS  [ computer_name ]" _
           & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
           & "Where:  " & Chr(34) & "computer_name" & Chr(34) _
           & " is the optional name of a remote computer" & vbCrLf _
           & "                        (default is local computer name)" _
           & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
           & "Based entirely on Microsoft TechNet Script " _
           & "Center's sample script:" & vbCrLf _
           & "http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?" _
           & "url=/technet/scriptcenter/compmgmt/ScrCM15.asp" _
           & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
           & "Modified by Rob van der Woude" & vbCrLf _
           & "http://www.robvanderwoude.com"
    Debug.Print strMsg
    MsgBox strMsg
End Sub

'list all software installed via control panel or MSI, I forget which
'this may produce 1000 items on one machine
Function software() As String
Dim strcomputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colFeatures As Object
Dim objFeature As Object
Dim strMsg As String
Dim lFeatureCount As Long
strcomputer = "." 'set to local machine name
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _
& "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strcomputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colFeatures = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
             ("Select * from Win32_SoftwareFeature")
strMsg = ""
lFeatureCount = 0
For Each objFeature In colFeatures
lFeatureCount = lFeatureCount + 1
Debug.Print "Accesses: " & objFeature.Accesses
Debug.Print "Attributes: " & objFeature.Attributes
Debug.Print "Caption: " & objFeature.Caption
Debug.Print "Description: " & objFeature.Description
Debug.Print "Identifying Number: " & objFeature.IdentifyingNumber
Debug.Print "Install Date: " & objFeature.InstallDate
Debug.Print "Install State: " & objFeature.InstallState
Debug.Print "LastUse: " & objFeature.LastUse
Debug.Print "Name: " & objFeature.Name
Debug.Print "ProductName: " & objFeature.ProductName
Debug.Print "Vendor: " & objFeature.Vendor
Debug.Print "Version: " & objFeature.Version

strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Accesses: " & objFeature.Accesses
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Attributes: " & objFeature.Attributes
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Caption: " & objFeature.Caption
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Description: " & objFeature.Description
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Identifying Number: " & 
objFeature.IdentifyingNumber
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Install Date: " & objFeature.InstallDate
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Install State: " & objFeature.InstallState
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "LastUse: " & objFeature.LastUse
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Name: " & objFeature.Name
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "ProductName: " & objFeature.ProductName
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Vendor: " & objFeature.Vendor
strMsg = strMsg & vbCrLf & "Version: " & objFeature.Version

Next
software = strMsg
MsgBox "Software features=" & lFeatureCount
End Function


Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> He guys
>
>Sorry to come in.
>Now you are on the dba tech list I'm joining to.
>I'm trying to educate myself not to answer to wrongly posted/or grown
>into, threads.
>I got caught a few times :-)
>
>I just installed aida, looks very good.
>I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
>script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
>whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
>could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
>database over here of all my clients networks?
>
>Just knowing if it can is sufficiant,just to save me some time finding
>out.
>
>Greetz
>Erwin
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>Hindman
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>"(I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)" Bryan
>
>...lol ...once a moderator ...always a moderator :)
>
>...btw ...what do you find in Belarc that Aida won't turn up? ...I'm
>curious why you think you need both ...its not that I have anything
>against Belarc ...but I found Aida did more and its free to use on my
>client's systems as well ...just wondering if I need to look at Belarc
>again, eh?
>
>William Hindman
>There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
>the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>
>  
>
>>On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:53, William Hindman wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>...hhhhmmm ...I've used both ...I prefer aida now but I never saw
>>>      
>>>
>any
>  
>
>>>problems with belarc ...are you by any chance using it on a Novell
>>>client?
>>>      
>>>
>>As much as you love bugging Gustav about Novell, I have run Belarc on
>>PCs with the Novell client on 'em with no noticable issues.
>>
>>P.S. Paul, I usually rely on more than 1 tools to get me the info I
>>need. I use both Belarc and Aida32.
>>
>>They both return different result sets.
>>
>>(I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)
>>
>>--
>>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>>Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat
>>you with experience.
>>
>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
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>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 17 11:41:51 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:41:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D00B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D00B@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <2234560305.20031217184151@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

If you really wish to push this to the limits, have a look at Novell
ZenWorks (for Desktops):

  http://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/

A different approach - but closer to your initial specs - is Nettalk
from Tekk. Here's a demo:

  http://www.tekk.dk:8080/nettalk/

I should note that I'm affiliated to this as the company is managed
and partly owned by my son in law. Even though, I have no practical
experience with Nettalk, so I can't help you much. It's aimed as an
inventory tool for large organisations (80+ workstations) and features
no help desk, but "that could be easily added" whatever that means.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-17 16:27


> The thing is I'm having big plans for next year.
> I wanna spend some time in writing a tool to perform a better job and to
> bind my customers to me.

> As you know or may not kown, I'm mainly specialized in IT services
> (network management, tailor made apps (access), security) day-by-day IT
> stuff for SME's up to 50 users.
> Well thats mainly between 0 and 25 users. Mainly in companies where no
> IT staff is present or just a guy take does it half-time.

> I deliberate want a small quantity of clients to provide deep services.
> I prefer 100 faithfull clients than 500 more-or-less clients.

> So I believe I can improves the updatime of ther computerparc by dooing
> more pre-active jobs instead of post-active.
> I want to have a database at my premisses of all computers, servers,
> printers etc of al my customers. Every problem is logged in my database
> linked with the appropriate device.
> This database can be consulted by me and the customer over the internet.
> Problems can be reported this way to. A mini KB is present to solved
> re-occuring issues and specifi stuff for a customer.

> This way I have more arguments if they need to move over to a new OS,
> computer printer etc. Further more I do no business in supplies. I Loose
> some money on that. So If a user could login, he can click on his own
> printer and order directly some supplies for it.
> My supplier (Techdata) has an XML system which I can use to check stock
> and order directly and let it deliver directly at the customer site
> (without any intervention of my side).

> To commercialy startup this application, I need to do a large scale deep
> inveterisation of all equipment (software) at all client premisses. I
> have remote access to all of them.
> So if I could automise the inventarisation from here saying that the
> client  only needs to login once to start on every computer I can pick
> up those files to start my database.
> If this can be automised (scheduled every two weeks or so), I would spot
> when users installed forbiddden software, etc.
> I would have an exact idea of how many licenses of office are running
> and urge my client to buy adequate licenses.
> Or if a user changes his hardware (theft).
> Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

> So the inventorisation of a pc should be automatic and without the user
> can disable or ignore it.

> Thats why...


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 17 14:32:14 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:32:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D013@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thx

I'll take a look at it... 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock
Verzonden: woensdag 17 december 2003 18:42
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc

Hi Erwin

If you really wish to push this to the limits, have a look at Novell
ZenWorks (for Desktops):

  http://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/

A different approach - but closer to your initial specs - is Nettalk
from Tekk. Here's a demo:

  http://www.tekk.dk:8080/nettalk/

I should note that I'm affiliated to this as the company is managed and
partly owned by my son in law. Even though, I have no practical
experience with Nettalk, so I can't help you much. It's aimed as an
inventory tool for large organisations (80+ workstations) and features
no help desk, but "that could be easily added" whatever that means.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-17 16:27


> The thing is I'm having big plans for next year.
> I wanna spend some time in writing a tool to perform a better job and 
> to bind my customers to me.

> As you know or may not kown, I'm mainly specialized in IT services 
> (network management, tailor made apps (access), security) day-by-day 
> IT stuff for SME's up to 50 users.
> Well thats mainly between 0 and 25 users. Mainly in companies where no

> IT staff is present or just a guy take does it half-time.

> I deliberate want a small quantity of clients to provide deep
services.
> I prefer 100 faithfull clients than 500 more-or-less clients.

> So I believe I can improves the updatime of ther computerparc by 
> dooing more pre-active jobs instead of post-active.
> I want to have a database at my premisses of all computers, servers, 
> printers etc of al my customers. Every problem is logged in my 
> database linked with the appropriate device.
> This database can be consulted by me and the customer over the
internet.
> Problems can be reported this way to. A mini KB is present to solved 
> re-occuring issues and specifi stuff for a customer.

> This way I have more arguments if they need to move over to a new OS, 
> computer printer etc. Further more I do no business in supplies. I 
> Loose some money on that. So If a user could login, he can click on 
> his own printer and order directly some supplies for it.
> My supplier (Techdata) has an XML system which I can use to check 
> stock and order directly and let it deliver directly at the customer 
> site (without any intervention of my side).

> To commercialy startup this application, I need to do a large scale 
> deep inveterisation of all equipment (software) at all client 
> premisses. I have remote access to all of them.
> So if I could automise the inventarisation from here saying that the 
> client  only needs to login once to start on every computer I can pick

> up those files to start my database.
> If this can be automised (scheduled every two weeks or so), I would 
> spot when users installed forbiddden software, etc.
> I would have an exact idea of how many licenses of office are running 
> and urge my client to buy adequate licenses.
> Or if a user changes his hardware (theft).
> Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

> So the inventorisation of a pc should be automatic and without the 
> user can disable or ignore it.

> Thats why...

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Dec 17 20:19:36 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:19:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3c4a7$915e8860$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3FE0C868.18894.1357C38@localhost>

On 17 Dec 2003 at 9:10, William Hindman wrote:

> "(I wonder if we shouldn't continue over on dba-Tech :)" Bryan
> 
> ...lol ...once a moderator ...always a moderator :)

Yea, something like that :-))

> ...btw ...what do you find in Belarc that Aida won't turn up? ...I'm
> curious why you think you need both ...its not that I have anything
> against Belarc ...but I found Aida did more and its free to use on my
> client's systems as well ...just wondering if I need to look at Belarc
> again, eh?

It's been a while since I have used them (about a year), so I am 
going on a foggy memory.

They each found different "installed" apps and different patches and 
updates.

IIRC, Belarc gave more info on apps that didn't have an entry in 
Add/Remove Programs. BUt it didn't get all of them. While AIda got 
most of the apps in the Add/Remove, it got some that Belarc knew 
nothing about.

Belarc seemed to give more version info. V5.05.32434.3425435 of app A 
while Aida gave V 5.05 and not all the revision numbers.

When I last used them I *THINK* Belarc missed a couple of Win2K 
updates, while Aida saw them, maybe it was the other way around. I 
don't remember, that part is a bit fuzzier than the rest. There was 
something about patches that one gave that the other didn't.

Now, please remember that I am trying to recall resoning from over a 
year ago, and these days I forget what I was doing 5 minutes ago let 
alone last year :(

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
cease to be amused.



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Dec 18 03:13:07 2003
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:13:07 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A0F6@ALCUXB>

Thought you might all be interested in this...

Jon
Internet Explorer to block pop-ups by default
[PC Pro] 12:45
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=51384
Microsoft has outlined its security strategy over the next year and
confirmed that Windows XP Service Pack 2 will block pop-ups by default. 
Service Pack 2 will be out in beta before the end of the year, with a final
release in the first half of 2004. It will also contain an improved
Firewall, which will be turned on by default and will boast an improved user
interface to allow finer tweaking. It can also be administered centrally
from within corporate networks. 
The pack will block HTML email from downloading images by default and
attachments in email and Windows Messenger will have limited permissions
when run. 
In a bid to tackle some of the security holes that have been taken advantage
of by virus writers, Microsoft will also reduce the permission associated
with RPC and beef up the DCOM infrastructure. Viruses such as Blaster made
full use of weaknesses in these technologies when it rampaged across the
Internet last August. 
Similarly the buffer overruns which are the frequent subject of critical
updates from Microsoft will be better defended, using technologies such as
'No Execute' where certain processors are able to distinguish between
application code and data and can choose not to execute code that a virus
inserts. 
Microsoft has also outlined the first service pack for Windows Servr 2003,
which will contain security templates based on the role to which the server
is put ie an email server will have different security requirements than a
print server. Further tools will allow the scanning of remote computers that
connect over VPN or wireless routes before letting them on to the network. 
By the end of next year, Microsoft says it will made a number of
improvements to its patching systems. Firstly, there will be just two patch
installer: one for the Windows system and legacy apps and one for the
current generation of applications. There will also be only one patch
scanning engine so that users won't get inconsistent results. 
Patches will be smaller: only the changes to files will be included, not the
entire file that needs fixing. Reboots will be reduced, with Windows Server
2003 getting hot patching - allowing it to update server components on the
fly. However, the monthly patch releases may well include one that requires
a reboot, so the difference here may be less noticeable. 
Microsoft says it has extended the internal testing mechanisms to improve
the quality of patches and by mid 2004 promises that nearly all patches will
be able to be rolled back after installation. 
Finally, Microsoft will host all its patches at a single point: Microsoft
update. Corporates will also be able to 'mirror' the content of Microsoft
Update inside the company network. 
Microsoft will also focus on providing further resources such as step by
step guides, security seminars and monthly security webcasts.


The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally
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to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
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Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ.
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Dec 18 06:16:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<15226737376.20031217163128@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>

Gustav,
sorry, I must have missed something here.
does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb tables?
I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost somehow
can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
thank you very much
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Hi William
>
> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
> > ...and are you using ADO?
>
> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> However, I read:
>
> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> > AIDA32 report process.
>
> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
>
> It works now. Thanks!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
> >>
> >> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server logon
> >> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> >> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so I
> >> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a general
> >> > database over here of all my clients networks?
> >>
> >> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder how
> >> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
> >> from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
> >> after a while it times out with an error that the database report
> >> could not be created. So what to do?
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 18 06:26:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:26:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><15226737376.20031217163128@cactus.dk>
	<027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <001801c3c562$29dbe690$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

Lembit

...dl the manual :)

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Gustav,
> sorry, I must have missed something here.
> does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb tables?
> I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost somehow
> can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
> thank you very much
> Lembit
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>
> > Hi William
> >
> > > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida
site?
> > > ...and are you using ADO?
> >
> > "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> > However, I read:
> >
> > > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> > > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> > > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> > > AIDA32 report process.
> >
> > Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> > check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
> >
> > It works now. Thanks!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >> > I just installed aida, looks very good.
> > >>
> > >> > I wonder if you could tell me if this can be put into a server
logon
> > >> > script that would inventorise the networked pc's each x weeks (or
> > >> > whatever) to put it's file somewhere on the server of my client, so
I
> > >> > could collect it on a regulary base (with FTP or so) and keep a
general
> > >> > database over here of all my clients networks?
> > >>
> > >> No, but why not put the result into a database file? I just wonder
how
> > >> to do it though; if I create an mdb with A2000, and the test button
> > >> from AIDA reports OK it should deliver a report in that file. But
> > >> after a while it times out with an error that the database report
> > >> could not be created. So what to do?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 18 06:32:15 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:32:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A0F6@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <001d01c3c562$f86c7470$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...interesting ...the blocking of pop-ups is almost certain to get them sued
by some lawyers looking for a buck ...it'll be "interfering" with some
client's business :(((((

...actually, other than the porn sites, the worst pop-up offender now is
Drudge ...if he keeps it up I'm going to find my news elsewhere :((((

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Tydda" <Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>
To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:13 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2


> Thought you might all be interested in this...
>
> Jon
> Internet Explorer to block pop-ups by default
> [PC Pro] 12:45
> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=51384
> Microsoft has outlined its security strategy over the next year and
> confirmed that Windows XP Service Pack 2 will block pop-ups by default.
> Service Pack 2 will be out in beta before the end of the year, with a
final
> release in the first half of 2004. It will also contain an improved
> Firewall, which will be turned on by default and will boast an improved
user
> interface to allow finer tweaking. It can also be administered centrally
> from within corporate networks.
> The pack will block HTML email from downloading images by default and
> attachments in email and Windows Messenger will have limited permissions
> when run.
> In a bid to tackle some of the security holes that have been taken
advantage
> of by virus writers, Microsoft will also reduce the permission associated
> with RPC and beef up the DCOM infrastructure. Viruses such as Blaster made
> full use of weaknesses in these technologies when it rampaged across the
> Internet last August.
> Similarly the buffer overruns which are the frequent subject of critical
> updates from Microsoft will be better defended, using technologies such as
> 'No Execute' where certain processors are able to distinguish between
> application code and data and can choose not to execute code that a virus
> inserts.
> Microsoft has also outlined the first service pack for Windows Servr 2003,
> which will contain security templates based on the role to which the
server
> is put ie an email server will have different security requirements than a
> print server. Further tools will allow the scanning of remote computers
that
> connect over VPN or wireless routes before letting them on to the network.
> By the end of next year, Microsoft says it will made a number of
> improvements to its patching systems. Firstly, there will be just two
patch
> installer: one for the Windows system and legacy apps and one for the
> current generation of applications. There will also be only one patch
> scanning engine so that users won't get inconsistent results.
> Patches will be smaller: only the changes to files will be included, not
the
> entire file that needs fixing. Reboots will be reduced, with Windows
Server
> 2003 getting hot patching - allowing it to update server components on the
> fly. However, the monthly patch releases may well include one that
requires
> a reboot, so the difference here may be less noticeable.
> Microsoft says it has extended the internal testing mechanisms to improve
> the quality of patches and by mid 2004 promises that nearly all patches
will
> be able to be rolled back after installation.
> Finally, Microsoft will host all its patches at a single point: Microsoft
> update. Corporates will also be able to 'mirror' the content of Microsoft
> Update inside the company network.
> Microsoft will also focus on providing further resources such as step by
> step guides, security seminars and monthly security webcasts.
>
>
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally
> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject
> to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited.
> Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ.
> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 18 06:38:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:38:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <1417336718.20031218133820@cactus.dk>

Hi Lembit

Yes, in the AIDA folder you can locate some template database and SQL
files. One is named "DB - Access.mdb". Copy this to the folder of your
choice.
In AIDA, open Files, Setup and select ADO. The ADO pane opens.
Mark MS.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 and pick your database copy under Database.
Click Test to check that AIDA can connect to the file.

That's it!

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-18 13:16

> Gustav,
> sorry, I must have missed something here.
> does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb tables?
> I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost somehow
> can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
> thank you very much
> Lembit

> Lembit Soobik

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


>> Hi William
>>
>> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
>> > ...and are you using ADO?
>>
>> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
>> However, I read:
>>
>> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
>> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
>> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
>> > AIDA32 report process.
>>
>> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
>> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
>>
>> It works now. Thanks!


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Dec 18 07:13:25 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:13:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306F61BC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB0D2@ADGSERVER>

I use cookie cop to help manage pop-ups.  Funny thing is, when selecting
something on the MSDN site, it activates the stopper.  But there is not a
new window opened.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2


...interesting ...the blocking of pop-ups is almost certain to get them sued
by some lawyers looking for a buck ...it'll be "interfering" with some
client's business :(((((

...actually, other than the porn sites, the worst pop-up offender now is
Drudge ...if he keeps it up I'm going to find my news elsewhere :((((

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have  the
courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Dec 18 07:22:24 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:22:24 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>
	<1417336718.20031218133820@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <029101c3c569$fa0f71e0$0200a8c0@S856>

Gustav, William,
ooh, I see, you guys have the Enterprise version installed. I dont have these
files nor the ADO menue item. ok, I will install the Enterprise vesion then
thank you :)
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Hi Lembit
>
> Yes, in the AIDA folder you can locate some template database and SQL
> files. One is named "DB - Access.mdb". Copy this to the folder of your
> choice.
> In AIDA, open Files, Setup and select ADO. The ADO pane opens.
> Mark MS.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 and pick your database copy under Database.
> Click Test to check that AIDA can connect to the file.
>
> That's it!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2003-12-18 13:16
>
> > Gustav,
> > sorry, I must have missed something here.
> > does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb tables?
> > I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost somehow
> > can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
> > thank you very much
> > Lembit
>
> > Lembit Soobik
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>
> >> Hi William
> >>
> >> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida site?
> >> > ...and are you using ADO?
> >>
> >> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> >> However, I read:
> >>
> >> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> >> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> >> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> >> > AIDA32 report process.
> >>
> >> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> >> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
> >>
> >> It works now. Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 18 07:27:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:27:26 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
In-Reply-To: <029101c3c569$fa0f71e0$0200a8c0@S856>
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856>
	<029101c3c569$fa0f71e0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <020282895.20031218142726@cactus.dk>

Hi Lembit

Arh, that explains. Didn't think of that, sorry.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-12-18 14:22

> Gustav, William,
> ooh, I see, you guys have the Enterprise version installed. I dont have these
> files nor the ADO menue item. ok, I will install the Enterprise vesion then
> thank you :)
> Lembit


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 18 07:50:34 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:50:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856><1417336718.20031218133820@cactus.dk>
	<029101c3c569$fa0f71e0$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <000d01c3c56d$e9121790$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...never even thought about that ...we were talking monitoring
networks and that requires blah blah so I assumed ...:((((((

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
 the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> Gustav, William,
> ooh, I see, you guys have the Enterprise version installed. I dont have
these
> files nor the ADO menue item. ok, I will install the Enterprise vesion
then
> thank you :)
> Lembit
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>
> > Hi Lembit
> >
> > Yes, in the AIDA folder you can locate some template database and SQL
> > files. One is named "DB - Access.mdb". Copy this to the folder of your
> > choice.
> > In AIDA, open Files, Setup and select ADO. The ADO pane opens.
> > Mark MS.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 and pick your database copy under Database.
> > Click Test to check that AIDA can connect to the file.
> >
> > That's it!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Date: 2003-12-18 13:16
> >
> > > Gustav,
> > > sorry, I must have missed something here.
> > > does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb
tables?
> > > I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost
somehow
> > > can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
> > > thank you very much
> > > Lembit
> >
> > > Lembit Soobik
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
> >
> >
> > >> Hi William
> > >>
> > >> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida
site?
> > >> > ...and are you using ADO?
> > >>
> > >> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> > >> However, I read:
> > >>
> > >> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> > >> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> > >> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> > >> > AIDA32 report process.
> > >>
> > >> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> > >> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
> > >>
> > >> It works now. Thanks!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu Dec 18 08:33:13 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:33:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
References: 	<46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D007@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000601c3c4af$abdec490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><027901c3c560$c2ce5420$0200a8c0@S856><1417336718.20031218133820@cactus.dk><029101c3c569$fa0f71e0$0200a8c0@S856>
	<000d01c3c56d$e9121790$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <02a901c3c573$de5aa820$0200a8c0@S856>

well, I should have asked which version since I dint find ADO in hte menue
but thanks for the help :)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc


> ...lol ...never even thought about that ...we were talking monitoring
> networks and that requires blah blah so I assumed ...:((((((
>
> William Hindman
> There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have
>  the courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
>
>
> > Gustav, William,
> > ooh, I see, you guys have the Enterprise version installed. I dont have
> these
> > files nor the ADO menue item. ok, I will install the Enterprise vesion
> then
> > thank you :)
> > Lembit
> >
> > Lembit Soobik
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
> >
> >
> > > Hi Lembit
> > >
> > > Yes, in the AIDA folder you can locate some template database and SQL
> > > files. One is named "DB - Access.mdb". Copy this to the folder of your
> > > choice.
> > > In AIDA, open Files, Setup and select ADO. The ADO pane opens.
> > > Mark MS.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 and pick your database copy under Database.
> > > Click Test to check that AIDA can connect to the file.
> > >
> > > That's it!
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: 2003-12-18 13:16
> > >
> > > > Gustav,
> > > > sorry, I must have missed something here.
> > > > does it mean you can have AIDA32 output the report into Access mdb
> tables?
> > > > I have tried to find info about it in the AIDA FAQ, but got lost
> somehow
> > > > can you please explain it so that an old man like me undesrstands?
> > > > thank you very much
> > > > Lembit
> > >
> > > > Lembit Soobik
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:31 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] System Settings Etc
> > >
> > >
> > > >> Hi William
> > > >>
> > > >> > ...have you run through the FAQ's section on databases on the Aida
> site?
> > > >> > ...and are you using ADO?
> > > >>
> > > >> "I" use ADO? It should be AIDA.
> > > >> However, I read:
> > > >>
> > > >> > .. make sure you haven't created an empty database,
> > > >> > but that you use a copy of the file "DB - Access.mdb" as your
> > > >> > database.  This file contains the predefined tables required for
> > > >> > AIDA32 report process.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course I used an empty database. Strange that the test doesn't
> > > >> check for the existence of the necessary tables ...
> > > >>
> > > >> It works now. Thanks!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Dec 19 09:38:53 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:38:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] X-Posted: AccessD / dba-Tech : ASP
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB9A3@nnse14.nns.com>

Quick question...

Can you insert ASP code into an HTML page that does not have the .asp
extension?

I have a requirement in our corporate intranet to maintain our pages using
server-side-includes.  This means that all pages have a .stm extension.  How
can I insert the following snippet (many thanks to Drew) into my pages?  It
works perfectly in my "Test.asp" page but hasn't yet worked on a .stm page.
Any suggestions?

Mark

*** BEGIN CODE ***
<%
strPageName="Test.asp"
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
dim strPageName
dim strIP_Address
strIP_Address=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "\\NNSI1\Corp\PROJECTS\E13\WebLog\Statistics.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT tblHitCounter.PageName, tblHitCounter.IP_Address FROM
tblHitCounter;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=strPageName
rs.Fields(1).value=strIP_Address
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
*** END CODE ***

From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri Dec 19 15:55:53 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:25:53 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] X-Posted: AccessD / dba-Tech : ASP
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A654@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

You'd need to tell IIS to send pages with a .stm extension to the ASP
parser.

However, .stm files are already being sent to the ssinc.dll by default.

(IIS -> Website Properties >Home Directory -> Configuration)

Can't have both I'm afraid, that's why asp files have a different extension.

If your network admins are being anal about it, suggest a new type of
extensions (say .sts) to parse ASP files - maybe they're that stupid that
they'll think this is different/safer than .asp files.

PS. You can <include> files from within an ASP file, which is almost
identical to SSI includes.

Cheers,
Andrew


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 20 December 2003 2:09 AM
To: '[AccessD]'; '[dba-Tech]'
Subject: [dba-Tech] X-Posted: AccessD / dba-Tech : ASP

Quick question...

Can you insert ASP code into an HTML page that does not have the .asp
extension?

I have a requirement in our corporate intranet to maintain our pages using
server-side-includes.  This means that all pages have a .stm extension.  How
can I insert the following snippet (many thanks to Drew) into my pages?  It
works perfectly in my "Test.asp" page but hasn't yet worked on a .stm page.
Any suggestions?

Mark

*** BEGIN CODE ***
<%
strPageName="Test.asp"
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
dim strPageName
dim strIP_Address
strIP_Address=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "\\NNSI1\Corp\PROJECTS\E13\WebLog\Statistics.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT tblHitCounter.PageName, tblHitCounter.IP_Address FROM
tblHitCounter;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=strPageName
rs.Fields(1).value=strIP_Address
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
*** END CODE ***
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri Dec 19 15:58:23 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:28:23 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A655@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Google one work well enough for me 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 11:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2

I use cookie cop to help manage pop-ups.  Funny thing is, when selecting
something on the MSDN site, it activates the stopper.  But there is not a
new window opened.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Service Pack 2


...interesting ...the blocking of pop-ups is almost certain to get them sued
by some lawyers looking for a buck ...it'll be "interfering" with some
client's business :(((((

...actually, other than the porn sites, the worst pop-up offender now is
Drudge ...if he keeps it up I'm going to find my news elsewhere :((((

William Hindman
There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have  the
courage to do what we know is morally right." --Ronald Reagan


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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 24 15:07:30 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:07:30 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEBNFJAA.john@winhaven.net>

Wishing you all the best in life from Winneconne, USA.

John Bartow


From kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 14:02:36 2003
From: kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com (KathrynAtGwens)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:02:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
Message-ID: <NEBBLNGCAJLGIOMMCMBJAELDCMAA.kathrynatgwens@socal.rr.com>

Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and offsite backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?

A much simplified file server
http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200

Online backup
http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp


--
Kathryn Bassett (at work address)
kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
kathryn at bassett.net (home) 


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 30 16:04:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:04:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
References: <NEBBLNGCAJLGIOMMCMBJAELDCMAA.kathrynatgwens@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3cf20$e2061b60$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...not a file server :(

...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster than
on-line bu :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


> Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and offsite
backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
>
> A much simplified file server
> http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
>
> Online backup
> http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Bassett (at work address)
> kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
> kathryn at bassett.net (home)
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Dec 30 17:41:34 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:41:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
In-Reply-To: <22648469.1072821913404.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3cf2e$78c02750$de1811d8@DanWaters>

William,

Can you talk a little more about a mirrored hard drive for backup?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


...not a file server :(

...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster than
on-line bu :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


> Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and offsite
backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
>
> A much simplified file server 
> http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
>
> Online backup 
> http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
>
>
> --
> Kathryn Bassett (at work address)
> kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
> kathryn at bassett.net (home)
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Dec 30 17:58:52 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:58:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
References: <000001c3cf2e$78c02750$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <016f01c3cf30$e03f98f0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>

You need special software, a raid controller, or a server OS to do that.
Windows 2000 SERVER allows mirroring, on 'dynamic disks' (A 2000 and up
setup.....older OSes won't recognize anythign on a dynamic disk, but they
can be converted back to basic disks if needed.

What a mirror does, is make an exact copy of a drive (or partition...and on
dynamic disks their called volumes), on another hard drive.  When you read
that drive, it will read twice as fast, because it can pull the data from 2
drives simultaneously, but it writes at normal speed.  Mirroring actually
only protects your data from hardware failure.  Lose one drive, the mirror
picks up (or the original keeps going), however, it can be a very handy data
backup, if you get into the habit of mirroring a partition, then 'breaking'
the mirror.  The copy is then a snapshot of that exact moment, so it can be
used when needed.

I have 'transfered' root drives like that a few times.  I needed to put in a
larger drive on my server, so I put in the drive, mirrored the OS, broke the
mirror, removed the original smaller drive, and booted off of the mirror.
Took about 25 minutes in total (95% of which was the mirroring process).

Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


> William,
>
> Can you talk a little more about a mirrored hard drive for backup?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> ...not a file server :(
>
> ...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster than
> on-line bu :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
> To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> > Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and offsite
> backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
> >
> > A much simplified file server
> > http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
> >
> > Online backup
> > http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Bassett (at work address)
> > kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
> > kathryn at bassett.net (home)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 30 21:02:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
References: <000001c3cf2e$78c02750$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <000601c3cf4a$83496260$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

Dan

...assumes you have a MB which supports RAID which more and more do these
days (one of the reasons I still build my own) ...or you buy mirroring
software or a RAID card neither of which I've used except on servers ...its
a physical duplication of your master drive onto a slave as every write
occurs ...you pay a performance price for the second access and write of
course but its marginalized by the RAID read speedup ...and with a current
processor you won't notice it anyway.

...as Drew noted, its physical protection only since software corruptions
would occur on both ...but still, its cheap and once in play you hardly
realize its there doing its thing in the background ...if you've ever had a
HD crash, a mirror is a godsend since the hardware automatically defaults to
using the mirror and you just get a warning pop-up ...life and work go on
and you have time to address the problem at your convenience.

...since I now use XP Pro only and have System Restore automated, I don't
sweat the system software corruption problems ...but make damn sure your
System Restore is really working by actually testing it ...XP can be
misleading in the setup and leave you unprotected ...but it does work quite
well ...a recent bug in a Symantec auto-update kept giving me blue screens
...I stepped back through the restore points until they went away.

...I also use the built-in Backup scheduling facility to automate protecting
my critical data files ...its there, easy to use, and disk space is cheap
...I do it to a directory on the mirrored drive since that covers me both
ways from Sunday.

...a bit more trouble but the ultimate failsafe is "imaging" the data onto a
3rd HD using Drive Image which is cheap (I don't like Norton Ghost) ...when
you initially set this up, make sure the image drive is on a separate cable
and, after doing the first image, swap your bios boot sequence to that drive
and boot from it using the image ...then swap your bios back ...from that
point on, assuming your bios doesn't fail, you have the best of all worlds
...a mirrored HD that takes over immediately if the master HD fails, a bu of
your critical data that can be restored selectively, and a full software
image available with a simple bios change if all else fails
...this of course doesn't address off-site storage but I don't worry about
that anyway ...since I have fire sprinklers and only a hurricane could do
the place in ...my computers are on my evac list right after Lai and the
pets.

...needless to say I didn't do this overnight ...its evolved over time ...if
you really want the best info available on securing your data, I use
www.langa.com as my bible ...his archives have really solid info and he
gives you all of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


> William,
>
> Can you talk a little more about a mirrored hard drive for backup?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> ...not a file server :(
>
> ...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster than
> on-line bu :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
> To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> > Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and offsite
> backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
> >
> > A much simplified file server
> > http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
> >
> > Online backup
> > http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Bassett (at work address)
> > kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
> > kathryn at bassett.net (home)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 30 22:02:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:02:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECAGDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am looking again at the MS action pack subscription.

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

My reading of the license indicates you are purchasing the right to use all
the products for a period of 1 year, which for $299 is pretty cheap I think.
Of course when the year is up you must purchase another subscription, which
assumes that it is available etc.

Still... it provides a year's exposure to all this stuff for peanuts.

It is all 2003 however.  Does anyone have experience with this stuff?  Is it
ready for prime time?  I have a server machine pretty much sitting idle - I
wanted to set up IIS and publish web sites from my office but am terrified
of being hacked and the learning curve for security looks like a time suck
on my daily business.  So there it sits.

Has anyone purchased this package?  Comments?  Observations?  Warnings?
Recommendations?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Tue Dec 30 22:10:09 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:10:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECAGDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPMEMADGAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

John,

  Very well worth it!! I will renew my sub for sure...

Robert Gracie


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:02 PM
To: DBA - Tech; AccessD
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?


I am looking again at the MS action pack subscription.

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

My reading of the license indicates you are purchasing the right to use all
the products for a period of 1 year, which for $299 is pretty cheap I think.
Of course when the year is up you must purchase another subscription, which
assumes that it is available etc.

Still... it provides a year's exposure to all this stuff for peanuts.

It is all 2003 however.  Does anyone have experience with this stuff?  Is it
ready for prime time?  I have a server machine pretty much sitting idle - I
wanted to set up IIS and publish web sites from my office but am terrified
of being hacked and the learning curve for security looks like a time suck
on my daily business.  So there it sits.

Has anyone purchased this package?  Comments?  Observations?  Warnings?
Recommendations?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Dec 31 04:45:31 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:45:31 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D070@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

There is a serious problem with SBS 2003.

1) There is a dll register problem but that is solved wit a MS fix.

2) and very importantant. The Exchange server 2003 included with SBS
2003 no longer supports connectors other than the basic ones (for
example SMTP). Even the MS notes connector is not supported.
In my case this is problematic (glad I did not upgraded yet) my GFI
faxmaker fax software that installs a connector in Exchange 2003 no
longer works due this.
According to GFI this is a bug or deliberate limitatation from MS in
Exchange 2003 (version in SBS 2003), and is true for all third party
cnnectors. MS has not responded to this yet.

I also strongly advise you to verify every software (Like backup
software) you wanna use on Windows 2003 that is is supported



Erwin

 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John W. Colby
Verzonden: woensdag 31 december 2003 5:02
Aan: DBA - Tech; AccessD
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?

I am looking again at the MS action pack subscription.

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

My reading of the license indicates you are purchasing the right to use
all the products for a period of 1 year, which for $299 is pretty cheap
I think.
Of course when the year is up you must purchase another subscription,
which assumes that it is available etc.

Still... it provides a year's exposure to all this stuff for peanuts.

It is all 2003 however.  Does anyone have experience with this stuff?
Is it ready for prime time?  I have a server machine pretty much sitting
idle - I wanted to set up IIS and publish web sites from my office but
am terrified of being hacked and the learning curve for security looks
like a time suck on my daily business.  So there it sits.

Has anyone purchased this package?  Comments?  Observations?  Warnings?
Recommendations?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 31 08:19:55 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:19:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F124Vv7NHsV7KL0005aee8@hotmail.com>

I bought it and received it a couple weeks ago it but haven't installed 
anything yet. It seemed like such a good deal though that I couldn't pass it 
up. I was most interested in Visio and Frontpage - the rest was just a bonus 
for me. But I want to build a system to load it on and just haven't had 
time..... there's a couple more things to add to my 2004 to do list 1) build 
new machine 2) load Action Pack stuff on it.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "DBA - Tech" <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>,   "AccessD" 
><AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:02:00 -0500
>
>I am looking again at the MS action pack subscription.
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>/actionpackus.aspx
>
>My reading of the license indicates you are purchasing the right to use all
>the products for a period of 1 year, which for $299 is pretty cheap I 
>think.
>Of course when the year is up you must purchase another subscription, which
>assumes that it is available etc.
>
>Still... it provides a year's exposure to all this stuff for peanuts.
>
>It is all 2003 however.  Does anyone have experience with this stuff?  Is 
>it
>ready for prime time?  I have a server machine pretty much sitting idle - I
>wanted to set up IIS and publish web sites from my office but am terrified
>of being hacked and the learning curve for security looks like a time suck
>on my daily business.  So there it sits.
>
>Has anyone purchased this package?  Comments?  Observations?  Warnings?
>Recommendations?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Dec 31 10:03:13 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:03:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
In-Reply-To: <6112185.1072839779179.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3cfb7$982dd090$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Drew and William,

Thanks for the training!

There was a lot more to this than I had guessed.  What I do now is simply
backup selected data files to a CD every 3 days using Disk-to-Disk.  So, if
my HD did crash I would still have critical files but my recovery time could
be a few days - so having a mirrored HD that would let me 'keep on truckin'
would be pretty handy!

Thanks for all this information,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


Dan

...assumes you have a MB which supports RAID which more and more do these
days (one of the reasons I still build my own) ...or you buy mirroring
software or a RAID card neither of which I've used except on servers ...its
a physical duplication of your master drive onto a slave as every write
occurs ...you pay a performance price for the second access and write of
course but its marginalized by the RAID read speedup ...and with a current
processor you won't notice it anyway.

...as Drew noted, its physical protection only since software corruptions
would occur on both ...but still, its cheap and once in play you hardly
realize its there doing its thing in the background ...if you've ever had a
HD crash, a mirror is a godsend since the hardware automatically defaults to
using the mirror and you just get a warning pop-up ...life and work go on
and you have time to address the problem at your convenience.

...since I now use XP Pro only and have System Restore automated, I don't
sweat the system software corruption problems ...but make damn sure your
System Restore is really working by actually testing it ...XP can be
misleading in the setup and leave you unprotected ...but it does work quite
well ...a recent bug in a Symantec auto-update kept giving me blue screens
...I stepped back through the restore points until they went away.

...I also use the built-in Backup scheduling facility to automate protecting
my critical data files ...its there, easy to use, and disk space is cheap
...I do it to a directory on the mirrored drive since that covers me both
ways from Sunday.

...a bit more trouble but the ultimate failsafe is "imaging" the data onto a
3rd HD using Drive Image which is cheap (I don't like Norton Ghost) ...when
you initially set this up, make sure the image drive is on a separate cable
and, after doing the first image, swap your bios boot sequence to that drive
and boot from it using the image ...then swap your bios back ...from that
point on, assuming your bios doesn't fail, you have the best of all worlds
...a mirrored HD that takes over immediately if the master HD fails, a bu of
your critical data that can be restored selectively, and a full software
image available with a simple bios change if all else fails ...this of
course doesn't address off-site storage but I don't worry about that anyway
...since I have fire sprinklers and only a hurricane could do the place in
...my computers are on my evac list right after Lai and the pets.

...needless to say I didn't do this overnight ...its evolved over time ...if
you really want the best info available on securing your data, I use
www.langa.com as my bible ...his archives have really solid info and he
gives you all of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly ...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Opinions please


> William,
>
> Can you talk a little more about a mirrored hard drive for backup?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> ...not a file server :(
>
> ...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster 
> than on-line bu :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
> To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
> > Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and 
> > offsite
> backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
> >
> > A much simplified file server 
> > http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
> >
> > Online backup 
> > http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Bassett (at work address) kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
> > kathryn at bassett.net (home)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 31 12:07:09 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:07:09 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted: Is 2003 ready for prime time?
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMECAGDAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FF3104D.3090400@shaw.ca>

I have been running Office 2003 since last March and no major problems, 
only really running Excel Word and Access
haven't touched Outlook.. You will probably have to switch the macro 
security on first use and get used to Internet Help.
One thing I found useful was ability to machine translate documents via 
webservice. I only played around with MS Info and XML
To test a lot of this stuff I really need to have installed it on Win XP 
Pro rather than Home.

John W. Colby wrote:

>I am looking again at the MS action pack subscription.
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>/actionpackus.aspx
>
>My reading of the license indicates you are purchasing the right to use all
>the products for a period of 1 year, which for $299 is pretty cheap I think.
>Of course when the year is up you must purchase another subscription, which
>assumes that it is available etc.
>
>Still... it provides a year's exposure to all this stuff for peanuts.
>
>It is all 2003 however.  Does anyone have experience with this stuff?  Is it
>ready for prime time?  I have a server machine pretty much sitting idle - I
>wanted to set up IIS and publish web sites from my office but am terrified
>of being hacked and the learning curve for security looks like a time suck
>on my daily business.  So there it sits.
>
>Has anyone purchased this package?  Comments?  Observations?  Warnings?
>Recommendations?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 31 12:14:45 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:14:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
References: <000001c3cfb7$982dd090$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <3FF31215.1000807@shaw.ca>

Another method is a Ghost Image Backup to a portable BackPack 60 Gig 
drive via a USB 2 port.
You would have to restore to original machine I think but would handle a 
drive failure. Cost about
$300 for drive and Software.

Dan Waters wrote:

>Drew and William,
>
>Thanks for the training!
>
>There was a lot more to this than I had guessed.  What I do now is simply
>backup selected data files to a CD every 3 days using Disk-to-Disk.  So, if
>my HD did crash I would still have critical files but my recovery time could
>be a few days - so having a mirrored HD that would let me 'keep on truckin'
>would be pretty handy!
>
>Thanks for all this information,
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:02 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
>Dan
>
>...assumes you have a MB which supports RAID which more and more do these
>days (one of the reasons I still build my own) ...or you buy mirroring
>software or a RAID card neither of which I've used except on servers ...its
>a physical duplication of your master drive onto a slave as every write
>occurs ...you pay a performance price for the second access and write of
>course but its marginalized by the RAID read speedup ...and with a current
>processor you won't notice it anyway.
>
>...as Drew noted, its physical protection only since software corruptions
>would occur on both ...but still, its cheap and once in play you hardly
>realize its there doing its thing in the background ...if you've ever had a
>HD crash, a mirror is a godsend since the hardware automatically defaults to
>using the mirror and you just get a warning pop-up ...life and work go on
>and you have time to address the problem at your convenience.
>
>...since I now use XP Pro only and have System Restore automated, I don't
>sweat the system software corruption problems ...but make damn sure your
>System Restore is really working by actually testing it ...XP can be
>misleading in the setup and leave you unprotected ...but it does work quite
>well ...a recent bug in a Symantec auto-update kept giving me blue screens
>...I stepped back through the restore points until they went away.
>
>...I also use the built-in Backup scheduling facility to automate protecting
>my critical data files ...its there, easy to use, and disk space is cheap
>...I do it to a directory on the mirrored drive since that covers me both
>ways from Sunday.
>
>...a bit more trouble but the ultimate failsafe is "imaging" the data onto a
>3rd HD using Drive Image which is cheap (I don't like Norton Ghost) ...when
>you initially set this up, make sure the image drive is on a separate cable
>and, after doing the first image, swap your bios boot sequence to that drive
>and boot from it using the image ...then swap your bios back ...from that
>point on, assuming your bios doesn't fail, you have the best of all worlds
>...a mirrored HD that takes over immediately if the master HD fails, a bu of
>your critical data that can be restored selectively, and a full software
>image available with a simple bios change if all else fails ...this of
>course doesn't address off-site storage but I don't worry about that anyway
>...since I have fire sprinklers and only a hurricane could do the place in
>...my computers are on my evac list right after Lai and the pets.
>
>...needless to say I didn't do this overnight ...its evolved over time ...if
>you really want the best info available on securing your data, I use
>www.langa.com as my bible ...his archives have really solid info and he
>gives you all of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly ...HTH :)
>
>William Hindman
><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:41 PM
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>
>
>  
>
>>William,
>>
>>Can you talk a little more about a mirrored hard drive for backup?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>    
>>
>Hindman
>  
>
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:04 PM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>>
>>
>>...not a file server :(
>>
>>...mirrored HD costs less, is more reliable, and incomparably faster 
>>than on-line bu :(
>>
>>William Hindman
>><http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "KathrynAtGwens" <kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com>
>>To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:02 PM
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Opinions please
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Gwen's son is going to fix her up with a new data server, and 
>>>offsite
>>>      
>>>
>>backup. Here's what he has in mind. Any issues that you know of?
>>    
>>
>>>A much simplified file server 
>>>http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200Main&nav=2200
>>>
>>>Online backup 
>>>http://www.connected.com/solution/Home_User/Home_Getting_Started.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Kathryn Bassett (at work address) kathrynatgwens at socal.rr.com
>>>kathryn at bassett.net (home)
>>>
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