From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  3 14:49:09 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:49:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Let's test this out
Message-ID: <BAY2-F447qXLFfJNwPm00002cb0@hotmail.com>

Just a test.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul  3 14:51:35 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:51:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Let's test this out
Message-ID: <20030703195135.JQC20796.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>

> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>

> Just a test.

You Passed.

Bryan

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  3 14:56:18 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:56:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Let's test this out
Message-ID: <BAY2-F12MSi6xzmeWgU00001030@hotmail.com>

Hey, success. Something gone right for the day. I think I'll treat myself 
and go home!

Good job on the adminstration Bryan.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Let's test this out
>Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:51:35 -0400
>
> > From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>
> > Just a test.
>
>You Passed.
>
>Bryan
>
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul  3 14:59:25 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:59:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Let's test this out
Message-ID: <20030703195925.MMIV3524.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>

> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>

> Hey, success. Something gone right for the day. I think I'll treat myself 
> and go home!

> Good job on the adminstration Bryan.

Thanks. ANd just for saying that, you can definately take the rest of the day of. I know I am in about 4 minutes. :)

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 17:03:09 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:03:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.26.1057303640.710.dba-tech@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002801c344d1$b4cd1a60$b274d0d5@andypc>


Actually I now don't think it is a password issue. As I said it reacts
to the correct password differently from ny wrong one. It flashes up
'Loading personal settings' then 'Saving personal settings' and round to
the logon screen again as if I'd logged out.

It actually takes the password. In fact the symptoms are described
exactly in MS article 249321.

"After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
screen is displayed again."

But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I can't
get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk doesn't
even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?). 




Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 07 July 2003 21:59
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Thanks for the reply Lambert but my son's a student. Backups
> are an unknown word, Formatting the disk and starting from 
> there is a nightmare scenario. I'd happily restart the 
> upgrade but can't even get into Windows to do anything, and 
> anyway I don't imagine one can "upgrade" when you're already on W2K.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Heenan, Lambert
> > Sent: 07 July 2003 21:47
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Were it not for the word "upgrading" in your question I'd say just 
> > reinstall W2K again. But it sounds like you were hoping to keep all 
> > the settings for all the other programs already installed under W98,

> > hence the upgrade.
> > 
> > If you have a data backup I'd still go ahead and install W2K again, 
> > as a completely fresh install - letting the setup progie reformat 
> > the C drive - and also set up a D partition for all the data at the 
> > same time. Then install all the other software. Once you've 
> > succeeded I'd suggest going into the passwords policy setting and 
> > allow unlimited password attempts, and never let a P/W expire (zero 
> > days to expiration). Unless there are sound security reasons for
> > doing otherwise.
> > 
> > Having the separate partition for programs (C) and data (D) does 
> > make life simpler the next time you descried to do a fresh install.
> > 
> > All very tedious, but three of four hours should see it completed.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Andy Lacey [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent:	Monday, July 07, 2003 4:03 PM
> > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject:	[AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > > 
> > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how
> many are on
> > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > > 
> > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > so that he
> > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > booted in
> > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > to use for
> > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has 
> > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
> > that now I
> > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is)
> is correct
> > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
> > straight back to
> > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as 
> > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
> > in. Reboot
> > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > earth can I do?
> > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > has a price
> > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > > 
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Jul  7 17:45:43 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:45:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
References: <002801c344d1$b4cd1a60$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <008401c344d9$8037fa10$b615010a@FHTAPIA>

Andy,
   I feel for you really I do.  Win2K when formatted as NTFS does not have
any "dos" underbelly so you won't be able to get at the files, however if
you do have another Win2k or NT machine around you can connect via the
network and see if that helps.  I don't know how to fix that particular
problem you are having since I've never experianced it before.  In fact non
of the Win2k/XP installs I do ever go the upgrade route, mostly because
upgrading per se as the old upgrade from dos 5 > 6 went out the door when
moving from Win95 to Win98.  While it was successful in some cases, many
times it left remnents of old sloppy code or file structures.

If you are able to log in via the network backup all the data files /
favorites and email and restart the install from scratch.  Plus if you have
Symantec Works or the like, check to see if you have a copy of ghost and use
it to backup the drive so you can have a good starting point for if and when
there is a next time.

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

On Monday, July 07, 2003 3:03 PM [GMT-8],
Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

: Actually I now don't think it is a password issue. As I said it reacts
: to the correct password differently from ny wrong one. It flashes up
: 'Loading personal settings' then 'Saving personal settings' and round
: to the logon screen again as if I'd logged out.
:
: It actually takes the password. In fact the symptoms are described
: exactly in MS article 249321.
:
: "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using
: a valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings
: dialog box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog
: box. However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows
: logon screen is displayed again."
:
: But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I
: can't get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk
: doesn't even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?).
:
:
:
:
: Andy Lacey
: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
:
:
:
:: -----Original Message-----
:: From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
:: [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
:: Sent: 07 July 2003 21:59
:: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
:: Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
::
::
:: Thanks for the reply Lambert but my son's a student. Backups
:: are an unknown word, Formatting the disk and starting from
:: there is a nightmare scenario. I'd happily restart the
:: upgrade but can't even get into Windows to do anything, and
:: anyway I don't imagine one can "upgrade" when you're already on W2K.
::
:: Andy Lacey
:: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
::
::
::
::: -----Original Message-----
::: From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
::: [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
::: Heenan, Lambert
::: Sent: 07 July 2003 21:47
::: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
::: Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
:::
:::
::: Were it not for the word "upgrading" in your question I'd say just
::: reinstall W2K again. But it sounds like you were hoping to keep all
::: the settings for all the other programs already installed under W98,
:
::: hence the upgrade.
:::
::: If you have a data backup I'd still go ahead and install W2K again,
::: as a completely fresh install - letting the setup progie reformat
::: the C drive - and also set up a D partition for all the data at the
::: same time. Then install all the other software. Once you've
::: succeeded I'd suggest going into the passwords policy setting and
::: allow unlimited password attempts, and never let a P/W expire (zero
::: days to expiration). Unless there are sound security reasons for
::: doing otherwise.
:::
::: Having the separate partition for programs (C) and data (D) does
::: make life simpler the next time you descried to do a fresh install.
:::
::: All very tedious, but three of four hours should see it completed.
:::
:::: -----Original Message-----
:::: From: Andy Lacey [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
:::: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:03 PM
:::: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
:::: Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
::::
:::: Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how
:: many are on
:::: that yet and this is a bit desperate.
::::
:::: Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
::: so that he
:::: can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it booted
:::: in W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
::: to use for
:::: the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
:::: created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
::: that now I
:::: can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is)
:: is correct
:::: because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
::: straight back to
:::: ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
:::: invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
::: in. Reboot
:::: after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
::: earth can I do?
:::: I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
::: has a price
:::: around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
::::
:::: Andy Lacey
:::: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
::::
::::
:::: _______________________________________________
:::: AccessD mailing list
:::: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
:::: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
:::: Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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::: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From juan at printerrepairdepot.com  Mon Jul  7 18:26:38 2003
From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (juanz)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:26:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT W2K Help
Message-ID: <200307072326.h67NQbUN107090@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

Andy, 

Here is what I would do. Reinstall Windows 2000 Pro but do a parallel
installation. It will ask you if you want to install Windows 2000 in
C:\winnt, say no and install it in C:\\Winnt1. It will do a regular install
without wiping out any of the data in the other directory. After it reboots,
it will appear like your system is dual booted but you should be able to do
a search and pull the data you want. Then decide what you want to do with
it. 

Hope this helps

Juan Zavala


From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Jul  7 18:30:11 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:30:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
Message-ID: <00bf01c344df$b62c2cd0$b615010a@FHTAPIA>

 I just bought a TRV-70 Sony HandyCam and a firewire card during the last
week.  anyone familiar w/ video transfering and editing?


Thanks,
-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Jul  7 18:29:08 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:29:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
References: <002801c344d1$b4cd1a60$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <3F0A0244.1060002@shaw.ca>

Can you boot from CD-rom even a OEM CD should be bootable, just change 
the boot order in your BIOS from hard drive to CD.

Andy Lacey wrote:

>Actually I now don't think it is a password issue. As I said it reacts
>to the correct password differently from ny wrong one. It flashes up
>'Loading personal settings' then 'Saving personal settings' and round to
>the logon screen again as if I'd logged out.
>
>It actually takes the password. In fact the symptoms are described
>exactly in MS article 249321.
>
>"After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
>valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
>box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
>However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
>screen is displayed again."
>
>But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I can't
>get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk doesn't
>even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?). 
>
>
>
>
>Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>>Sent: 07 July 2003 21:59
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the reply Lambert but my son's a student. Backups
>>are an unknown word, Formatting the disk and starting from 
>>there is a nightmare scenario. I'd happily restart the 
>>upgrade but can't even get into Windows to do anything, and 
>>anyway I don't imagine one can "upgrade" when you're already on W2K.
>>
>>Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Heenan, Lambert
>>>Sent: 07 July 2003 21:47
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Were it not for the word "upgrading" in your question I'd say just 
>>>reinstall W2K again. But it sounds like you were hoping to keep all 
>>>the settings for all the other programs already installed under W98,
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>hence the upgrade.
>>>
>>>If you have a data backup I'd still go ahead and install W2K again, 
>>>as a completely fresh install - letting the setup progie reformat 
>>>the C drive - and also set up a D partition for all the data at the 
>>>same time. Then install all the other software. Once you've 
>>>succeeded I'd suggest going into the passwords policy setting and 
>>>allow unlimited password attempts, and never let a P/W expire (zero 
>>>days to expiration). Unless there are sound security reasons for
>>>doing otherwise.
>>>
>>>Having the separate partition for programs (C) and data (D) does 
>>>make life simpler the next time you descried to do a fresh install.
>>>
>>>All very tedious, but three of four hours should see it completed.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From:	Andy Lacey [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
>>>>Sent:	Monday, July 07, 2003 4:03 PM
>>>>To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>>Subject:	[AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how
>>>>        
>>>>
>>many are on
>>    
>>
>>>>that yet and this is a bit desperate.
>>>>
>>>>Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>so that he
>>>      
>>>
>>>>can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>booted in
>>>      
>>>
>>>>W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>to use for
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the existing account and for the new administrator account it has 
>>>>created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>that now I
>>>      
>>>
>>>>can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is)
>>>>        
>>>>
>>is correct
>>    
>>
>>>>because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>straight back to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as 
>>>>invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>in. Reboot
>>>      
>>>
>>>>after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>earth can I do?
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>has a price
>>>      
>>>
>>>>around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
>>>>
>>>>Andy Lacey
>>>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
>>>Website:
>>>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon Jul  7 19:18:21 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:18:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <008401c344d9$8037fa10$b615010a@FHTAPIA>
Message-ID: <003d01c344e6$712bab40$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Andy,

Last chance method! If it doesn't work the disk will be fried.

This has happened to us a couple of times in W2k.  It hasn't happened
with XP.

We take the drive out of the machine and load it in a second drive bay
on another machine.  You get one chance at looking at the drive and
copying all the files you want to save off it.  By this I mean that when
you reboot the new machine adding the second drive it will either work
or it wont - we have had a success rate of 4 out of 6.  The other two
times the data on drive was rendered useless and the disk had to be
reformatted.  So if you try this method - good luck!

On second thought its probably better that you take the drive to a
recovery agency for this one.

Hth
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 8:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem


Andy,
   I feel for you really I do.  Win2K when formatted as NTFS does not
have any "dos" underbelly so you won't be able to get at the files,
however if you do have another Win2k or NT machine around you can
connect via the network and see if that helps.  I don't know how to fix
that particular problem you are having since I've never experianced it
before.  In fact non of the Win2k/XP installs I do ever go the upgrade
route, mostly because upgrading per se as the old upgrade from dos 5 > 6
went out the door when moving from Win95 to Win98.  While it was
successful in some cases, many times it left remnents of old sloppy code
or file structures.

If you are able to log in via the network backup all the data files /
favorites and email and restart the install from scratch.  Plus if you
have Symantec Works or the like, check to see if you have a copy of
ghost and use it to backup the drive so you can have a good starting
point for if and when there is a next time.

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

On Monday, July 07, 2003 3:03 PM [GMT-8],
Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

: Actually I now don't think it is a password issue. As I said it reacts
: to the correct password differently from ny wrong one. It flashes up
: 'Loading personal settings' then 'Saving personal settings' and round
: to the logon screen again as if I'd logged out.
:
: It actually takes the password. In fact the symptoms are described
: exactly in MS article 249321.
:
: "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using
: a valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings
: dialog box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog
: box. However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows
: logon screen is displayed again."
:
: But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I
: can't get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk
: doesn't even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?).
:
:
:
:
: Andy Lacey
: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
:
:
:
:: -----Original Message-----
:: From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
:: [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
:: Sent: 07 July 2003 21:59
:: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
:: Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
::
::
:: Thanks for the reply Lambert but my son's a student. Backups
:: are an unknown word, Formatting the disk and starting from
:: there is a nightmare scenario. I'd happily restart the
:: upgrade but can't even get into Windows to do anything, and
:: anyway I don't imagine one can "upgrade" when you're already on W2K.
::
:: Andy Lacey
:: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
::
::
::
::: -----Original Message-----
::: From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
::: [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
::: Heenan, Lambert
::: Sent: 07 July 2003 21:47
::: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
::: Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
:::
:::
::: Were it not for the word "upgrading" in your question I'd say just
::: reinstall W2K again. But it sounds like you were hoping to keep all
::: the settings for all the other programs already installed under W98,
:
::: hence the upgrade.
:::
::: If you have a data backup I'd still go ahead and install W2K again,
::: as a completely fresh install - letting the setup progie reformat
::: the C drive - and also set up a D partition for all the data at the
::: same time. Then install all the other software. Once you've
::: succeeded I'd suggest going into the passwords policy setting and
::: allow unlimited password attempts, and never let a P/W expire (zero
::: days to expiration). Unless there are sound security reasons for
::: doing otherwise.
:::
::: Having the separate partition for programs (C) and data (D) does
::: make life simpler the next time you descried to do a fresh install.
:::
::: All very tedious, but three of four hours should see it completed.
:::
:::: -----Original Message-----
:::: From: Andy Lacey [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
:::: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:03 PM
:::: To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
:::: Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
::::
:::: Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how
:: many are on
:::: that yet and this is a bit desperate.
::::
:::: Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
::: so that he
:::: can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it booted
:::: in W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
::: to use for
:::: the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
:::: created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
::: that now I
:::: can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is)
:: is correct
:::: because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
::: straight back to
:::: ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
:::: invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
::: in. Reboot
:::: after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
::: earth can I do?
:::: I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
::: has a price
:::: around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
::::
:::: Andy Lacey
:::: http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
::::
::::
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  7 21:53:01 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:53:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
Message-ID: <BAY2-F139xPCFj2AhGw0000b4a1@hotmail.com>

Could you try logging in as a completely new user? Just to get in and copy 
off files?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
>Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:03:09 +0100
>
>
>Actually I now don't think it is a password issue. As I said it reacts
>to the correct password differently from ny wrong one. It flashes up
>'Loading personal settings' then 'Saving personal settings' and round to
>the logon screen again as if I'd logged out.
>
>It actually takes the password. In fact the symptoms are described
>exactly in MS article 249321.
>
>"After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
>valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
>box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
>However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
>screen is displayed again."
>
>But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I can't
>get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk doesn't
>even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?).
>
>
>
>
>Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> > Sent: 07 July 2003 21:59
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the reply Lambert but my son's a student. Backups
> > are an unknown word, Formatting the disk and starting from
> > there is a nightmare scenario. I'd happily restart the
> > upgrade but can't even get into Windows to do anything, and
> > anyway I don't imagine one can "upgrade" when you're already on W2K.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Heenan, Lambert
> > > Sent: 07 July 2003 21:47
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Were it not for the word "upgrading" in your question I'd say just
> > > reinstall W2K again. But it sounds like you were hoping to keep all
> > > the settings for all the other programs already installed under W98,
>
> > > hence the upgrade.
> > >
> > > If you have a data backup I'd still go ahead and install W2K again,
> > > as a completely fresh install - letting the setup progie reformat
> > > the C drive - and also set up a D partition for all the data at the
> > > same time. Then install all the other software. Once you've
> > > succeeded I'd suggest going into the passwords policy setting and
> > > allow unlimited password attempts, and never let a P/W expire (zero
> > > days to expiration). Unless there are sound security reasons for
> > > doing otherwise.
> > >
> > > Having the separate partition for programs (C) and data (D) does
> > > make life simpler the next time you descried to do a fresh install.
> > >
> > > All very tedious, but three of four hours should see it completed.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Andy Lacey [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent:	Monday, July 07, 2003 4:03 PM
> > > > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject:	[AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how
> > many are on
> > > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > > >
> > > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > > so that he
> > > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > > booted in
> > > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > > to use for
> > > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
> > > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
> > > that now I
> > > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is)
> > is correct
> > > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
> > > straight back to
> > > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
> > > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
> > > in. Reboot
> > > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > > earth can I do?
> > > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > > has a price
> > > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul  7 21:53:32 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:53:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <002801c344d1$b4cd1a60$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <mailman.26.1057303640.710.dba-tech@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <3F09F9EC.11181.273F98D@localhost>

On 7 Jul 2003 at 23:03, Andy Lacey wrote:

> But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I
> can't get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk
> doesn't even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?). 

Easy. With Linux :)

Have a look at: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/

This is a Linux boot disk with NTFS support. It is usually used to 
reset forgotten passwords, but there is a BASIC registry editor.

"This release features full basic registry edit with add/del keys and 
values and resizing values."

There are limitiation to is, but it may give you what you need to at 
least get in a little bit.

I have never used this, but I've heard good things about it.

--
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mistake when you make it again.



From DBCfour at aol.com  Mon Jul  7 22:54:45 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:54:45 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
Message-ID: <189.1c0d9daf.2c3b9a85@aol.com>


Boot to a Windows 9X Start-up disk and run the following command: FDISK /MBR, 
or boot to the win2k CD and choose recovery console and type FIXMBR at the 
prompt.

Donna

In a message dated 7/7/2003 6:05:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
andy at minstersystems.co.uk writes:


> But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I can't
> get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk doesn't
> even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?). 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From DBCfour at aol.com  Mon Jul  7 23:09:22 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:09:22 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
Message-ID: <1c7.c47767f.2c3b9df2@aol.com>


What kind of s/w came w/the camera?  

Donna

In a message dated 7/7/2003 7:27:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
my.lists at verizon.net writes:


I just bought a TRV-70 Sony HandyCam and a firewire card during the last
week.  anyone familiar w/ video transfering and editing?


Thanks,



From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  8 01:05:46 2003
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:05:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
Message-ID: <BAY1-F57yRLVbNDN4Cx00000537@hotmail.com>

Andy:

Check out this link. It allows you to access NTFS drives from DOS (assuming 
the upgrade converted your file system from FAT to NTFS).  (note: I have not 
used this utility before so proceed with caution).

http://www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm

Also, a couple shots in the dark.... when you try to log in, have you tried 
a 'blank-password'?  Just hit enter when you see logon screen.  Plus, when 
you try to redo the upgrade, can you reset the administrator password?

HTH,
Billy

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 01:30:56 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:30:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F57yRLVbNDN4Cx00000537@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c3451a$7cde1020$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks to everyone for their support. Have had some sleep and now about
to try again, and will work my way through these suggestions. Expect to
hear from me again :-(

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Billy Pang
> Sent: 08 July 2003 07:06
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
> 
> 
> Andy:
> 
> Check out this link. It allows you to access NTFS drives from 
> DOS (assuming 
> the upgrade converted your file system from FAT to NTFS).  
> (note: I have not 
> used this utility before so proceed with caution).
> 
http://www.ntfs.com/boot-disk.htm

Also, a couple shots in the dark.... when you try to log in, have you
tried 
a 'blank-password'?  Just hit enter when you see logon screen.  Plus,
when 
you try to redo the upgrade, can you reset the administrator password?

HTH,
Billy

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Jul  8 04:11:52 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:11:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
References: <00bf01c344df$b62c2cd0$b615010a@FHTAPIA>
Message-ID: <03f801c34530$f8d85620$0300a8c0@S856>

Francisco,
I do some video editing. I have however expensive SW (Fast Studio DV3). It lets
me run the tape and mark which scens I want to save on HD, then it does the
transfer from tape to HD by itself.
I have also tried WinXP MovieMaker but was not really happy with that.
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco H Tapia" <my.lists at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:30 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing


> I just bought a TRV-70 Sony HandyCam and a firewire card during the last
> week.  anyone familiar w/ video transfering and editing?
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Francisco
> http://rcm.netfirms.com
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 04:18:10 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:18:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <3F09F9EC.11181.273F98D@localhost>
Message-ID: <000e01c34531$da1921a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Bryan
This is interesting. I've got access to my C: drive now via a newer DOS
disk. The UserInit.EXE is where I'd expect it to be
(C:\Windows\System32) except that all the articles on this subject talk
of it being in c;\winnt\system32. I wonder if this is the difference
between an upgrade from W98 (my scenario) and a fresh install. Anyway
userinit.exe is there so it may be the registry is pointing to the wrong
place for it. The link you gave to this linux registry editor looks
hairy (warnings about disk instability etc) but unless I get a better
idea I may have to try it. Ouch.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 08 July 2003 03:54
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
> 
> 
> On 7 Jul 2003 at 23:03, Andy Lacey wrote:
> 
> > But how can I resolve this (or even see if it's the issue) when I
> > can't get into Windows to run Regedit. And booting from a dos disk 
> > doesn't even show me a c: drive (can't you do this with W2k?).
> 
> Easy. With Linux :)
> 
> Have a look at: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/
> 
> This is a Linux boot disk with NTFS support. It is usually used to
> reset forgotten passwords, but there is a BASIC registry editor.
> 
> "This release features full basic registry edit with add/del keys and
> values and resizing values."
> 
> There are limitiation to is, but it may give you what you need to at
> least get in a little bit.
> 
> I have never used this, but I've heard good things about it.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a
> mistake when you make it again.
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 04:23:54 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:23:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <011c01c34530$db9c34a0$115b2d3e@jester>
Message-ID: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>

Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech

Hi Bert-Jan
Thanks for your help.

Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. And I now
know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are exactly as described in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
"After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
screen is displayed again"

Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in one place
but the registry is pointing to it in a different place. I can now
access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a newer DOS disk, and the
userinit.exe file is in c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the
question of how to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k
started. And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. Any
of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> just some suggestions:
> 
> - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> 
> Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS? 
> (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had 
> soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because 
> they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus 
> could not log in..... And administrator could
> 
> - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows, 
> Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> 
> Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i 
> had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC 
> anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled 
> there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the 
> same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed 
> after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering 
> the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and 
> all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work 
> for you aswell... ;-)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Bert-Jan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how many are on 
> > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> >
> > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K 
> so that he 
> > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it 
> booted in 
> > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password 
> to use for 
> > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has 
> > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except 
> that now I 
> > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) is correct 
> > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes 
> straight back to 
> > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as 
> > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get 
> in. Reboot 
> > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on 
> earth can I do? 
> > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords 
> has a price 
> > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 04:23:54 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:23:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <011c01c34530$db9c34a0$115b2d3e@jester>
Message-ID: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>

Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech

Hi Bert-Jan
Thanks for your help.

Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. And I now
know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are exactly as described in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
"After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
screen is displayed again"

Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in one place
but the registry is pointing to it in a different place. I can now
access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a newer DOS disk, and the
userinit.exe file is in c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the
question of how to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k
started. And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. Any
of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> just some suggestions:
> 
> - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> 
> Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS? 
> (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had 
> soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because 
> they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus 
> could not log in..... And administrator could
> 
> - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows, 
> Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> 
> Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i 
> had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC 
> anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled 
> there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the 
> same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed 
> after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering 
> the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and 
> all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work 
> for you aswell... ;-)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Bert-Jan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how many are on 
> > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> >
> > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K 
> so that he 
> > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it 
> booted in 
> > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password 
> to use for 
> > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has 
> > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except 
> that now I 
> > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) is correct 
> > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes 
> straight back to 
> > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as 
> > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get 
> in. Reboot 
> > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on 
> earth can I do? 
> > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords 
> has a price 
> > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul  8 04:43:14 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:43:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <189.1c0d9daf.2c3b9a85@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F0A59F2.10959.1F4940@localhost>

On 7 Jul 2003 at 23:54, DBCfour at aol.com wrote:

> Boot to a Windows 9X Start-up disk and run the following command:
> FDISK /MBR, or boot to the win2k CD and choose recovery console and
> type FIXMBR at the prompt.

Be careful with the 9x startup disk. If the HD is formatted with 
NTFS, this will completely hose your data.

However the recovery console is a good idea.
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Failure is not an option. It is a privilege reserved only for  those 
who try.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul  8 04:43:14 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:43:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] My W2K problem
In-Reply-To: <000e01c34531$da1921a0$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <3F09F9EC.11181.273F98D@localhost>
Message-ID: <3F0A59F2.10710.1F4972@localhost>

On 8 Jul 2003 at 10:18, Andy Lacey wrote:

> difference between an upgrade from W98 (my scenario) and a fresh
> install. Anyway userinit.exe is there so it may be the registry is
> pointing to the wrong place for it. The link you gave to this linux
> registry editor looks hairy (warnings about disk instability etc) but
> unless I get a better idea I may have to try it. Ouch.

Yea, but are those warnings any more hairy that any that are out 
there for running regedit?

If you are comfortable using a command line, then just work step by 
step and you should get there.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Welcome to Hell. Here's your copy of Windows.



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Jul  8 04:48:37 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:48:37 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
References: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <043401c34536$1ac87080$0300a8c0@S856>

Andy,
on my win2k the userinit.exe is in two places:
c:\WINNT\system32
and
c:\WINNT\system32\dllcache
you may try to create these directories and copy it there
Lembit
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!


> Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech
>
> Hi Bert-Jan
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. And I now
> know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are exactly as described in
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
> "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer by using a
> valid user name and password, the Loading your personal settings dialog
> box is displayed, followed by the Saving your settings dialog box.
> However, the desktop does not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon
> screen is displayed again"
>
> Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in one place
> but the registry is pointing to it in a different place. I can now
> access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a newer DOS disk, and the
> userinit.exe file is in c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the
> question of how to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k
> started. And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. Any
> of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> > Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > just some suggestions:
> >
> > - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> >
> > Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS?
> > (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had
> > soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because
> > they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus
> > could not log in..... And administrator could
> >
> > - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows,
> > Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> >
> > Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i
> > had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC
> > anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled
> > there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the
> > same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed
> > after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering
> > the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and
> > all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work
> > for you aswell... ;-)
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Bert-Jan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how many are on
> > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > >
> > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > so that he
> > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > booted in
> > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > to use for
> > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
> > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except
> > that now I
> > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) is correct
> > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes
> > straight back to
> > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
> > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get
> > in. Reboot
> > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > earth can I do?
> > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > has a price
> > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul  8 04:46:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 05:46:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <011c01c34530$db9c34a0$115b2d3e@jester>
Message-ID: <3F0A5AA0.30748.21EE0B@localhost>

On 8 Jul 2003 at 10:23, Andy Lacey wrote:
> 
> Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in one place
> but the registry is pointing to it in a different place. I can now
> access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a newer DOS disk, and the
> userinit.exe file is in c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the
> question of how to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k
> started. And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network.
> Any of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?

Here's a though.

If you think it's the registry that is pointing to the wrong spot, 
copy the file to where the W2K want's it to be.

Make a c:\winnt directory and copy the userinit file to the 
directory. That may get you in long enough to edit the registry to 
point back to the right spot.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Change is inevitable; progress is optional.



From DBCfour at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 05:31:48 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 06:31:48 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
Message-ID: <1e1.cdfab2e.2c3bf794@aol.com>


Well I like it, because it takes a HUGE .avi file and with a few clicks of 
the mouse creates a wmv file that's small enough to email. 

I'd rather have a less than perfect file, than no file. :-)

Donna

In a message dated 7/8/2003 5:09:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de writes:


I do some video editing. I have however expensive SW (Fast Studio DV3). It 
lets
me run the tape and mark which scens I want to save on HD, then it does the
transfer from tape to HD by itself.
I have also tried WinXP MovieMaker but was not really happy with that.
Lembit Soobik


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 05:33:40 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:33:40 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!! - SOLVED Yippee
In-Reply-To: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001201c3453c$6634da80$b274d0d5@andypc>

Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech

Thanks to Bryan Carbonnell I have a working PC again. I and my son
(whose machine it is) are eternally grateful not just to Bryan but to
all who helped or lent moral support. The DBA community strikes again.

For anyone interested in what it was please strt by reading my reply to
Bert-Jan below. This describes it but the problem was how to resolve it
as I needed to get at the registry but with no Windows to do so. Bryan
had the answer. He pointed me to a Linux  boot disk and command-line reg
editor that I could download. It scared me to death at first but what
did I have to lose? Even then I nearly missed the error. I managed to
read the registry hive and get to the appropriate key but it looked
correct. Then I spotted it. Userinit.exe is in c:\windows\system32. The
registry pointed to c:\windows\system. Rather than risk editing the
registry with this utility I simply copied userint.exe into
c:\windows\system, restarted and joy-of-joys, I'm in. Hallelujah!

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

PS Sorry to have generated so much OT on the list, but I hope you can
understand why.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 08 July 2003 10:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech
> 
> Hi Bert-Jan
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. 
> And I now know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are 
> exactly as described in 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
> "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer 
> by using a valid user name and password, the Loading your 
> personal settings dialog box is displayed, followed by the 
> Saving your settings dialog box. However, the desktop does 
> not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon screen is 
> displayed again"
> 
> Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in 
> one place but the registry is pointing to it in a different 
> place. I can now access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a 
> newer DOS disk, and the userinit.exe file is in 
> c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the question of how 
> to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k started. 
> And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. 
> Any of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> > Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Andy,
> > 
> > just some suggestions:
> > 
> > - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> > 
> > Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS?
> > (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had 
> > soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because 
> > they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus 
> > could not log in..... And administrator could
> > 
> > - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows,
> > Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> > 
> > Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i
> > had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC 
> > anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled 
> > there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the 
> > same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed 
> > after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering 
> > the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and 
> > all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work 
> > for you aswell... ;-)
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Bert-Jan
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how 
> many are on
> > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > >
> > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > so that he
> > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > booted in
> > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > to use for
> > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
> > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except 
> > that now I
> > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) 
> is correct
> > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes 
> > straight back to
> > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
> > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get 
> > in. Reboot
> > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > earth can I do?
> > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > has a price
> > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech
> 
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 05:36:37 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:36:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <3F0A5AA0.30748.21EE0B@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c3453c$cfb05520$b274d0d5@andypc>

As you'll see you were on the right lines. I'd already tried copying it
to c:\winnt\system32 and c:\nt4\system32. When I got that Linux reg
editor going I discovered it was pointing to c:\windows\system. Copying
it there has cracked it. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 08 July 2003 10:46
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> On 8 Jul 2003 at 10:23, Andy Lacey wrote:
> > 
> > Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in 
> one place 
> > but the registry is pointing to it in a different place. I can now 
> > access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a newer DOS disk, and the 
> > userinit.exe file is in c:\windows\system32. That leaves me 
> with the 
> > question of how to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k 
> > started. And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. 
> > Any of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?
> 
> Here's a though.
> 
> If you think it's the registry that is pointing to the wrong spot, 
> copy the file to where the W2K want's it to be.
> 
> Make a c:\winnt directory and copy the userinit file to the 
> directory. That may get you in long enough to edit the registry to 
> point back to the right spot.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Change is inevitable; progress is optional.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech
> 
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Jul  8 05:33:40 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:33:40 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!! - SOLVED Yippee
In-Reply-To: <000f01c34532$a721d700$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001201c3453c$6634da80$b274d0d5@andypc>

Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech

Thanks to Bryan Carbonnell I have a working PC again. I and my son
(whose machine it is) are eternally grateful not just to Bryan but to
all who helped or lent moral support. The DBA community strikes again.

For anyone interested in what it was please strt by reading my reply to
Bert-Jan below. This describes it but the problem was how to resolve it
as I needed to get at the registry but with no Windows to do so. Bryan
had the answer. He pointed me to a Linux  boot disk and command-line reg
editor that I could download. It scared me to death at first but what
did I have to lose? Even then I nearly missed the error. I managed to
read the registry hive and get to the appropriate key but it looked
correct. Then I spotted it. Userinit.exe is in c:\windows\system32. The
registry pointed to c:\windows\system. Rather than risk editing the
registry with this utility I simply copied userint.exe into
c:\windows\system, restarted and joy-of-joys, I'm in. Hallelujah!

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

PS Sorry to have generated so much OT on the list, but I hope you can
understand why.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 08 July 2003 10:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech
> 
> Hi Bert-Jan
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. 
> And I now know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are 
> exactly as described in 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
> "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer 
> by using a valid user name and password, the Loading your 
> personal settings dialog box is displayed, followed by the 
> Saving your settings dialog box. However, the desktop does 
> not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon screen is 
> displayed again"
> 
> Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in 
> one place but the registry is pointing to it in a different 
> place. I can now access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a 
> newer DOS disk, and the userinit.exe file is in 
> c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the question of how 
> to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k started. 
> And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. 
> Any of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> > Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Andy,
> > 
> > just some suggestions:
> > 
> > - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> > 
> > Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS?
> > (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had 
> > soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because 
> > they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus 
> > could not log in..... And administrator could
> > 
> > - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows,
> > Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> > 
> > Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i
> > had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC 
> > anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled 
> > there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the 
> > same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed 
> > after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering 
> > the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and 
> > all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work 
> > for you aswell... ;-)
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Bert-Jan
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how 
> many are on
> > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > >
> > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > so that he
> > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > booted in
> > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > to use for
> > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
> > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except 
> > that now I
> > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) 
> is correct
> > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes 
> > straight back to
> > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
> > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get 
> > in. Reboot
> > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > earth can I do?
> > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > has a price
> > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > 
> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul  8 06:54:15 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 7:54:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
Message-ID: <20030708115415.YZSK24417.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.22]>

Francisco,

Avid, the broadcasting industry standard for video editing, is releasing a free "lite" version of their video editing software.

Depending on what you read, it is supposed to be released Q2 2003 or mid-2003.

You can sign up for a mailing list that will send you updates on Avid Free DV at http://www.avid.com/avidfreedv or you can read their press relesae at http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2003/030107_AvidFreeDV_prod.html

Our editors, here at the CBC, use Avid Media Composer and Avid DS. Most seem to be able to pick it up fairly quickly.

It's something to keep in mind for the future, if you want to go beyond basic editing.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 10:57:15 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:57:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [H] OT: DV editing...
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030708105122.026ed1d8@bluesmoke.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c34569$9b9287e0$0000fea9@amd2k>

ultra cool, this looks like what I've been thinking as far as quick d/l ing
from my video cam :) many thanks

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Monday, July 07, 2003 7:56 PM [GMT -8],
Jin-Wei Tioh <hwg at bluesmoke.net> wrote:

: Hello Francisco,
:
: If you're using Adobe Premiere and your FireWire card is OCHI
: compliant (which it most likely is), it should be smooth sailing for
: you. Just File --> Capture,
: and you would be able to control your MiniDV camcorder.
:
: As far as simpler methods of transferring your video to your HDD, try
: DVIO : http://www.carr-engineering.com/dvio.htm
:
: HTH
:
:
: At 02:56 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
::  Hi gang,
:: a short time ago I bough the Sony TRV70 handycam.  I played lightly
:: with the USB exporting but wanted to get more into firewire
:: transfers so I went out and bought a firewire card.  I don't know
:: *anything* about firewire nor how the transfers work or even how to
:: use the software yet.  What list would any of you who are doing
:: video editing recommend?  I know about converting to DivX or
:: VCD/SVCD (haven't played w/ DVD yet) so that part is not as
:: necessary.  I'd like to do special effects like wipes/transitions/
:: chroma key (sp?) bumpers and even like those super imposed text
:: blocks for the 6 o'clock news.
::
:: Thanks for the pointers.
::
:: -Francisco
:: http://rcm.netfirms.com



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Jul  8 11:00:38 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:00:38 +0200 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [H] OT: DV editing...
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A982199FB@AARDBEI>

I use Premiere 6.5 or later can remember but i recently updated.
Goes very well on firewire with my Sony PC-100.

My son (3 years) love's to see his own stupidities over and over and over
and over again on pc disk...

Premiere is GREAT. Dont use it enough, bit overkill for me and not that
cheap.
But the upgrades are affordable, I'm upgrading since version 4.x that was
included with with Miro DC30 MPEG card.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Francisco Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 juli 2003 17:57
Aan: The Hardware List ***High Volume, Up to 200+ a day***;
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Re: [H] OT: DV editing...


ultra cool, this looks like what I've been thinking as far as quick d/l ing
from my video cam :) many thanks

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Monday, July 07, 2003 7:56 PM [GMT -8],
Jin-Wei Tioh <hwg at bluesmoke.net> wrote:

: Hello Francisco,
:
: If you're using Adobe Premiere and your FireWire card is OCHI
: compliant (which it most likely is), it should be smooth sailing for
: you. Just File --> Capture,
: and you would be able to control your MiniDV camcorder.
:
: As far as simpler methods of transferring your video to your HDD, try
: DVIO : http://www.carr-engineering.com/dvio.htm
:
: HTH
:
:
: At 02:56 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
::  Hi gang,
:: a short time ago I bough the Sony TRV70 handycam.  I played lightly
:: with the USB exporting but wanted to get more into firewire
:: transfers so I went out and bought a firewire card.  I don't know
:: *anything* about firewire nor how the transfers work or even how to
:: use the software yet.  What list would any of you who are doing
:: video editing recommend?  I know about converting to DivX or
:: VCD/SVCD (haven't played w/ DVD yet) so that part is not as
:: necessary.  I'd like to do special effects like wipes/transitions/
:: chroma key (sp?) bumpers and even like those super imposed text
:: blocks for the 6 o'clock news.
::
:: Thanks for the pointers.
::
:: -Francisco
:: http://rcm.netfirms.com


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 11:17:52 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:17:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
References: <1c7.c47767f.2c3b9df2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c3456c$7c71e790$0000fea9@amd2k>

the camera came with sony's imagemixer
http://www.imagemixer.com/E/imx/sony/index.htm

and the firewire card has pinacle studio 8 (a redux version i'm sure).
someone on another list forwarded this link to me
http://www.carr-engineering.com/dvio.htm
which looks like software to direct transfer a file instead of playback
recording like the USB streaming option does.


-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Monday, July 07, 2003 9:09 PM [GMT -8],
DBCfour at aol.com <DBCfour at aol.com> wrote:

: What kind of s/w came w/the camera?
:
: Donna
:
: In a message dated 7/7/2003 7:27:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
: my.lists at verizon.net writes:
:
:
: I just bought a TRV-70 Sony HandyCam and a firewire card during the
: last week.  anyone familiar w/ video transfering and editing?
:
:
: Thanks,
:
:
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 11:52:53 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:52:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
References: <1e1.cdfab2e.2c3bf794@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c34571$613c2b20$0000fea9@amd2k>

Microsoft has the encoder for wmv's for free off their site, I forget what
the url was, but I've used that before to re-encode some movies etc in the
past.

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:31 AM [GMT -8],
DBCfour at aol.com <DBCfour at aol.com> wrote:

: Well I like it, because it takes a HUGE .avi file and with a few
: clicks of the mouse creates a wmv file that's small enough to email.
:
: I'd rather have a less than perfect file, than no file. :-)
:
: Donna
:
: In a message dated 7/8/2003 5:09:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de writes:
:
:
: I do some video editing. I have however expensive SW (Fast Studio
: DV3). It lets
: me run the tape and mark which scens I want to save on HD, then it
: does the transfer from tape to HD by itself.
: I have also tried WinXP MovieMaker but was not really happy with that.
: Lembit Soobik
:
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Jul  8 12:00:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:00:11 +0200 
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A982199FC@AARDBEI>

www.microsoft.com/windowsmedia

Should find it from there
Downloads...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Francisco Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 juli 2003 18:53
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] DV Editing


Microsoft has the encoder for wmv's for free off their site, I forget what
the url was, but I've used that before to re-encode some movies etc in the
past.

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:31 AM [GMT -8],
DBCfour at aol.com <DBCfour at aol.com> wrote:

: Well I like it, because it takes a HUGE .avi file and with a few
: clicks of the mouse creates a wmv file that's small enough to email.
:
: I'd rather have a less than perfect file, than no file. :-)
:
: Donna
:
: In a message dated 7/8/2003 5:09:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de writes:
:
:
: I do some video editing. I have however expensive SW (Fast Studio
: DV3). It lets
: me run the tape and mark which scens I want to save on HD, then it
: does the transfer from tape to HD by itself.
: I have also tried WinXP MovieMaker but was not really happy with that.
: Lembit Soobik
:
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 12:07:34 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:07:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DV Editing
References: <20030708115415.YZSK24417.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.22]>
Message-ID: <00f501c34573$70e187d0$0000fea9@amd2k>

Thanks Bryan, I'm gonna check it out.

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:54 AM [GMT -8],
Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at sympatico.ca> wrote:

: Francisco,
:
: Avid, the broadcasting industry standard for video editing, is
: releasing a free "lite" version of their video editing software.
:
: Depending on what you read, it is supposed to be released Q2 2003 or
: mid-2003.
:
: You can sign up for a mailing list that will send you updates on Avid
: Free DV at http://www.avid.com/avidfreedv or you can read their press
: relesae at
: http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2003/030107_AvidFreeDV_prod.html
:
: Our editors, here at the CBC, use Avid Media Composer and Avid DS.
: Most seem to be able to pick it up fairly quickly.
:
: It's something to keep in mind for the future, if you want to go
: beyond basic editing.



From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Jul  8 13:26:05 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:26:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [H] OT: DV editing...
References: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A982199FB@AARDBEI>
Message-ID: <01c401c3457e$655c27c0$0000fea9@amd2k>

I'll look around for it, I remember it was like $1000 or so initially but
sometimes the stores do put up sales and I get a discount at compUSA w/ my
company so I'll stop by later this week to check how much of a discount.


-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/

On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:00 AM [GMT -8],
Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:

: I use Premiere 6.5 or later can remember but i recently updated.
: Goes very well on firewire with my Sony PC-100.
:
: My son (3 years) love's to see his own stupidities over and over and
: over and over again on pc disk...
:
: Premiere is GREAT. Dont use it enough, bit overkill for me and not
: that cheap.
: But the upgrades are affordable, I'm upgrading since version 4.x that
: was included with with Miro DC30 MPEG card.
:
:
:
: -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
: Van: Francisco Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
: Verzonden: dinsdag 8 juli 2003 17:57
: Aan: The Hardware List ***High Volume, Up to 200+ a day***;
: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
: Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Re: [H] OT: DV editing...
:
:
: ultra cool, this looks like what I've been thinking as far as quick
: d/l ing from my video cam :) many thanks
:
: -Francisco
: http://rcm.netfirms.com/
:
: On Monday, July 07, 2003 7:56 PM [GMT -8],
: Jin-Wei Tioh <hwg at bluesmoke.net> wrote:
:
:: Hello Francisco,
::
:: If you're using Adobe Premiere and your FireWire card is OCHI
:: compliant (which it most likely is), it should be smooth sailing for
:: you. Just File --> Capture,
:: and you would be able to control your MiniDV camcorder.
::
:: As far as simpler methods of transferring your video to your HDD, try
:: DVIO : http://www.carr-engineering.com/dvio.htm
::
:: HTH
::
::
:: At 02:56 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
:::  Hi gang,
::: a short time ago I bough the Sony TRV70 handycam.  I played lightly
::: with the USB exporting but wanted to get more into firewire
::: transfers so I went out and bought a firewire card.  I don't know
::: *anything* about firewire nor how the transfers work or even how to
::: use the software yet.  What list would any of you who are doing
::: video editing recommend?  I know about converting to DivX or
::: VCD/SVCD (haven't played w/ DVD yet) so that part is not as
::: necessary.  I'd like to do special effects like wipes/transitions/
::: chroma key (sp?) bumpers and even like those super imposed text
::: blocks for the 6 o'clock news.
:::
::: Thanks for the pointers.
:::
::: -Francisco
::: http://rcm.netfirms.com
:
:
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: dba-Tech mailing list
: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Jul  9 03:54:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:54:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226FA1@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c345f7$acfe6e20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Drew
Thanks for suggestion but see the entry with the SOLVED subject line.
The article surmised that the userint.exe should be in winnt\system32.
Alas it was not so simple. I've explained in the "SOLVED" entry. But
thanks again for looking.

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 08 July 2003 21:29
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Just read the article, if you have booted to DOS, just do this step:
> 
> Create a "fake" Winnt\System32 folder structure on the drive 
> that is suspected as being assigned the original boot 
> partition drive letter, and then expand and copy the 
> Userinit.exe file from the Windows 2000 CD-ROM into the 
> Winnt\System32 folder on that drive.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> 
> 
> Cross-posted to AccessD and dba-tech
> 
> Hi Bert-Jan
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Yes I tried to login as administrator, but the same occurs. 
> And I now know it's not a password issue. The symptoms are 
> exactly as described in 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;249321
> "After you try to log on to your Windows 2000-based computer 
> by using a valid user name and password, the Loading your 
> personal settings dialog box is displayed, followed by the 
> Saving your settings dialog box. However, the desktop does 
> not appear, and the Welcome to Windows logon screen is 
> displayed again"
> 
> Essentially it seems to be that the file userinit.exe is in 
> one place but the registry is pointing to it in a different 
> place. I can now access the C: drive (it is fat32) via a 
> newer DOS disk, and the userinit.exe file is in 
> c:\windows\system32. That leaves me with the question of how 
> to interrorgate a W2K registry when I can't get W2k started. 
> And I have no other W2K machines and I'm not on a network. 
> Any of you kind and wonderful people any idea on that one?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Bert-Jan Brinkhuis
> > Sent: 08 July 2003 10:11
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Andy,
> > 
> > just some suggestions:
> > 
> > - did you try loggin in as administrator?
> > 
> > Are you using any security policies? Is C formatted as NTFS?
> > (i think so when your dos boot disk doesn't see C:) We had 
> > soemthing of the same and the users couldn't log in because 
> > they were not granted access to 'personal settings' and thus 
> > could not log in..... And administrator could
> > 
> > - Is any of the data in the windows system folders? (Windows,
> > Winnt, my documents. My ...)?
> > 
> > Because if it isn't you might consider the reinstall.... i
> > had a problem reinstalling once, couldn't even startup the PC 
> > anymore. Someone asked me the same and said if i reinstalled 
> > there might be the possiblilty windows will instal over the 
> > same folders as it did before and the data might be accessed 
> > after reinstalling. Since that was my only option (recovering 
> > the data was far too expensive for a home pc) i tried it and 
> > all my data was accessable...! No guarantee this will work 
> > for you aswell... ;-)
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Bert-Jan
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT W2K Help!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > > Would have posted to the new tech list but not sure how 
> many are on
> > > that yet and this is a bit desperate.
> > >
> > > Have just finished upgrading my son's PC from W98SE to W2K
> > so that he
> > > can attach the iPod I just bought him. Fairly easy until it
> > booted in
> > > W2K for the first time. It asked me for a single password
> > to use for
> > > the existing account and for the new administrator account it has
> > > created. I used my son's name and it took it fine, except 
> > that now I
> > > can't log on at all. It kinda knows 'tom' (for so it is) 
> is correct
> > > because when I enter that it takes it but just comes 
> > straight back to
> > > ask for it again, whereas anything else I type gets rejected as
> > > invalid. But a lot of b****y good that is when I can't get 
> > in. Reboot
> > > after reboot, still no joy. Caps on, caps off. What on
> > earth can I do?
> > > I've scanned the web but software to crack W2K passwords
> > has a price
> > > around $2-300!!!! Help!!!!
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Jul  9 17:32:40 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:32:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] PC Health tunning 
Message-ID: <033001c3466a$023d37f0$0000fea9@amd2k>

hey I saw this on TechTV the other day (Call for Help) it's acctually a
pretty through check for your pc.  my overall score for my PC was 824
http://www.pcpitstop.com

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/



From keysolns at lantic.net  Thu Jul 10 04:16:29 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:16:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <018901c346c3$f30899a0$0101a8c0@office>

Hi all.

I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts for
incoming and outgoing email.

When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the other.
How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Gary Lockett



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Jul 10 04:15:33 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:15:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219A1A@AARDBEI>

Probably the order in the list of accounts...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2003 11:16
Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Hi all.

I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts for
incoming and outgoing email.

When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the other.
How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Gary Lockett


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From keysolns at lantic.net  Thu Jul 10 07:02:19 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:02:19 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
References: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219A1A@AARDBEI>
Message-ID: <01a201c346db$1e1b65c0$0101a8c0@office>

Erwin

Thats what I initially thought, but it is not that

Thanks anyway


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To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Probably the order in the list of accounts...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2003 11:16
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Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Hi all.

I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts for
incoming and outgoing email.

When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the other.
How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Gary Lockett


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Jul 10 07:17:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:17:59 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219A24@AARDBEI>

Even not reversed order?

>From a program point of view it is sometimes better to reverse the order
(from 10 to 1 instead of 1 to 10).



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2003 14:02
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Erwin

Thats what I initially thought, but it is not that

Thanks anyway


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Probably the order in the list of accounts...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary Lockett [mailto:keysolns at lantic.net]
Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2003 11:16
Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Hi all.

I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts for
incoming and outgoing email.

When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the other.
How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Gary Lockett


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 10 07:29:07 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:29:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
Message-ID: <BAY2-F50pgXVWz1jUwO00007557@hotmail.com>

Perhaps in the order the accounts were set up? First defined, first checked?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Gary Lockett" <keysolns at lantic.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:16:29 +0200
>
>Hi all.
>
>I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
>who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts 
>for
>incoming and outgoing email.
>
>When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the 
>other.
>How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
>tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
>order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
>obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
>anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.
>
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Gary Lockett
>
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 08:01:52 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:01:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
Message-ID: <004901c346e3$73cfbae0$3c06d018@W2k>

Dear Group,

I don't have an answer for the other OE question that Gary L. posed, but I
have one of my own. In OE 6, which is what I use, I can select Request Read
Receipt from the Tools menu while I'm composing a message to have a message
pop up on the addressee's computer asking permission to send a Read Receipt
back to me. I have a client that uses OE 5, but I didn't see such a menu
option. Is there a way to request a Read Receipt in OE 5?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain



From DBCfour at aol.com  Thu Jul 10 08:31:08 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:31:08 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
Message-ID: <127.2d1b34e2.2c3ec49c@aol.com>



I think Outlook Express only supports the read receipt feature in version 
5.01 and later.

Donna

In a message dated 7/10/2003 8:59:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
serbach at new.rr.com writes:


> I don't have an answer for the other OE question that Gary L. posed, but I
> have one of my own. In OE 6, which is what I use, I can select Request Read
> Receipt from the Tools menu while I'm composing a message to have a message
> pop up on the addressee's computer asking permission to send a Read Receipt
> back to me. I have a client that uses OE 5, but I didn't see such a menu
> option. Is there a way to request a Read Receipt in OE 5?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Erbach
> 







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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 08:37:56 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:37:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
References: <127.2d1b34e2.2c3ec49c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c346e9$22e47e30$3c06d018@W2k>

Donna,

>> I think Outlook Express only supports the read receipt feature in version 5.01 and later. <<

Thank you. That sounds logical. I'll see if I can get my client to contact the MS web site for an O/S upgrade. He's 85 and rather set in his ways.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From keysolns at lantic.net  Thu Jul 10 09:25:00 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:25:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
References: <BAY2-F50pgXVWz1jUwO00007557@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01ea01c346ef$0d535900$0101a8c0@office>

Not that either! I did a bit of a test on my side, and cannot understand the
sequence. I have set up 5 different addresses on my OE and clicked on send
and receive. The one that was my original single address gets checked thrd
in the list. Although the accounts are listed alphabetically, they do not
download in that order.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express


Perhaps in the order the accounts were set up? First defined, first checked?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Gary Lockett" <keysolns at lantic.net>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:16:29 +0200
>
>Hi all.
>
>I am sure that someone on this list can help with this one. I have a client
>who is using Outlook Express v5.0 for email. He has defined two accounts
>for
>incoming and outgoing email.
>
>When receiving email, he wants to check a specific account before the
>other.
>How does Outlook Express decide which order to send and receive? I have
>tried changing the default accounts, but that does not seem to change the
>order, just who the email is defaulted to come from when sending. I am
>obviously looking in the wrong places for info, because I cannot find
>anything anywhere that tells me how to do this.
>
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Gary Lockett
>
>
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From keysolns at lantic.net  Thu Jul 10 09:29:53 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:29:53 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
References: <127.2d1b34e2.2c3ec49c@aol.com>
	<002b01c346e9$22e47e30$3c06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <021a01c346ef$bb3beaa0$0101a8c0@office>

I have OE 5.00 and can set read receipts.

In the new message window select Tools/Read Receipt.
If you want to set it for all mails, Tools/Options and under the Receipt tab is an option "Request a read receipt for all sent messages"

Regards

Gary

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven W. Erbach 
  To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
  Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt


  Donna,
   
  >> I think Outlook Express only supports the read receipt feature in version 5.01 and later. <<

  Thank you. That sounds logical. I'll see if I can get my client to contact the MS web site for an O/S upgrade. He's 85 and rather set in his ways.

  Regards,

  Steve Erbach
  Scientific Marketing
  Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 11:19:22 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:19:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
References: <127.2d1b34e2.2c3ec49c@aol.com>
	<002b01c346e9$22e47e30$3c06d018@W2k> <021a01c346ef$bb3beaa0$0101a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <005801c346ff$0889f6d0$3c06d018@W2k>

Gary,

>> I have OE 5.00 and can set read receipts.

>> In the new message window select Tools/Read Receipt. <<

Hmmm. I will definitely check this out tomorrow as I'm going to see my client. Is this a case of enabling the read receipt for every message and then disabling it for a selected message? I didn't find the Tools | Read Receipt option on my client's OE 5.0.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From DBCfour at aol.com  Thu Jul 10 13:06:03 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:06:03 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] OE 5 Request Read Receipt
Message-ID: <141.153548d7.2c3f050b@aol.com>


While you're there, you might want to hint (or allude to the fact) that not 
everybody appreciates read receipts.  Especially people on a list.  I think 
Rocky had a time w/that on OT once.

Donna

In a message dated 7/10/2003 12:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
serbach at new.rr.com writes:

Hmmm. I will definitely check this out tomorrow as I'm going to see my 
client. Is this a case of enabling the read receipt for every message and then 
disabling it for a selected message? I didn't find the Tools | Read Receipt option 
on my client's OE 5.0.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Jul 14 10:18:46 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:18:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour
Message-ID: <001d01c34a1b$3919a420$b615010a@FHTAPIA>



-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

On Monday, July 14, 2003 4:28 AM [GMT-8],
Thane Sherrington <tsherr at auracom.com> wrote:

: Go to Google:
: Type: french military victories
: Click:  I Feel Lucky.
:
: :)
:
: T
:



From DBCfour at aol.com  Mon Jul 14 10:31:47 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:31:47 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour
Message-ID: <1d8.dd4f253.2c4426e3@aol.com>


Oh that's bad. LOL

Donna

In a message dated 7/14/2003 11:16:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
my.lists at verizon.net writes:


> : Go to Google:
> : Type: french military victories
> : Click:  I Feel Lucky.

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 10:34:52 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:34:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour
Message-ID: <BAY2-F48lrwAnekVgKM00001a70@hotmail.com>

Adult content blocked for me. Busted by the Net police.

:-(

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: DBCfour at aol.com
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>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour
>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:31:47 EDT
>
>
>Oh that's bad. LOL
>
>Donna
>
>In a message dated 7/14/2003 11:16:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>my.lists at verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > : Go to Google:
> > : Type: french military victories
> > : Click:  I Feel Lucky.
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Jul 14 10:42:26 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:42:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E239424@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

TOO FUNNY!!!!


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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: [H] More Google humour


-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

On Monday, July 14, 2003 4:28 AM [GMT-8],
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: Go to Google:
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:
: :)
:
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Jul 14 14:05:58 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:05:58 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] MP3 duration
References: <141.153548d7.2c3f050b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <05f301c34a3b$036ce560$0300a8c0@S856>

So far I had only found information in the header to calculate the duration of an MP3 song.
This becomes a bit timeconsuming with the VBR (variable bitrate) MP3s. there you have to read each frame and identify the bitrate and calculate the duration of that frame.
Now I have seen in WinXP that the property of MP3 files shows the duration.
I cannot beleive that they each time calculate it. 
does anybody know where it is stored? probably in the part where the title, Author etc is, but anybody have more info?

thanks

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Jul 14 17:20:29 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:20:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MP3 duration
In-Reply-To: <05f301c34a3b$036ce560$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <3F13B94D.6647.13A0C3@localhost>

On 14 Jul 2003 at 21:05, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> So far I had only found information in the header to calculate the duration of an MP3 song.
> This becomes a bit timeconsuming with the VBR (variable bitrate) MP3s. there you have to read each frame and identify the bitrate and calculate the duration of that frame.
> Now I have seen in WinXP that the property of MP3 files shows the duration.
> I cannot beleive that they each time calculate it. 
> does anybody know where it is stored? probably in the part where the title, Author etc is, but anybody have more info?
> 
Have you tried "Wotsit's Format"  http://www.wotsit.org

They've got full specs plus  a few other resources for MP3s
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Jul 15 07:16:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jcolby at colbyconsulting.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:16:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: SAProxy
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECCEGAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Guys,

I have discovered a mail server proxy that allows you to locally (on your
desktop) apply spamassassin spam filtering to incoming email.  the idea is
that SAProxy sits between your email POP server and your email client.  The
email client (Outlook etc) then asks SAProxy for mail, which retrieves the
mail from the given email address.  SAProxy processes each email and applies
Spamassassin's rules to it.  It determines the email to be spam, it places
the text ***SPAM*** in the subject, allowing you to use a rule to filter
this email out to a spam inbox (or just delete it if you trust SAProxy
enough).

SpamAssassin is a VERY good spam filter which is used by an email server
that I get some email through.  In my experience it is virtually dead on,
although that could be simply because I get very little real email through
that server anyway.

So, I would like to use this SAProxy.  However the setup is not well
documented for Outlook, i.e. the instructions for doing it don't correctly
map to the actual controls I see in Outlook2K.  I managed to get the
filtering happening on incoming email but doing so broke outgoing email.

I'm wondering if anyone in the group uses SAProxy?  If so can you tell me
what to do to get it working with Outlook2K?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Jul 15 08:17:15 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:17:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Excel2K2 - Window Anomalies
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29500@nnse14.nns.com>

Periodically, Excel will get in a cycle where it will open showing only the
toolbars and window border, and the worksheet area is transparent.
Currently, the only way I've found to "see" the worksheet when this happens,
is to first toggle the Excel sheet to 'Full Screen' and then toggle 'Full
Screen' off.  I'm looking for comments as to what may be causing this, and
what step(s) may prevent this from occurring.


TIA,

Mark

From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 17 10:14:16 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:14:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
Message-ID: <000b01c34c76$18b78c80$3c06d018@W2k>

Dear Group,

In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
certain days and certain times of the day.

Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my sons
(almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
on the confuser.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain



From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Jul 17 11:07:17 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:07:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
References: <000b01c34c76$18b78c80$3c06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <004301c34c7d$7ed977b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>

You can set user accounts on a domain to be available during specific times,
but I don't think you can do it with a stand alone Windows XP home machine.
You could write a little script that runs on boot, to determine if it's an
available time, or not, then have the script either close or shutdown the
machine if necessary.

Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security


> Dear Group,
>
> In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
> certain days and certain times of the day.
>
> Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my
sons
> (almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
> on the confuser.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain
>
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Jul 17 11:35:33 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:35:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Upload a File, Go to Prison 
Message-ID: <000701c34c81$72390ee0$b615010a@FHTAPIA>

 http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html

<snip>
The bill, called the Author, Consumer and Computer Owner Protection and
Security Act of 2003, or ACCOPS, would allocate more money to the justice
department to investigate copyright crimes: up to $15 million a year,
compared with the current budget of $10 million. The bill would also enable
information sharing between countries to help in copyright enforcement
abroad. ...

..."The content industry is asking the public to fund this kind of an effort
against themselves."
<snip>


biggest problem I have with this proposal is that it's re-directing money or
allocating more money to copyright infringement protection, while schools
are suffering budget cuts.


-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 17 19:55:46 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:55:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
References: <000b01c34c76$18b78c80$3c06d018@W2k>
	<004301c34c7d$7ed977b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001901c34cc7$6361e9f0$3c06d018@W2k>

Drew,

>> You can set user accounts on a domain to be available during specific
times,
but I don't think you can do it with a stand alone Windows XP home machine.
You could write a little script that runs on boot, to determine if it's an
available time, or not, then have the script either close or shutdown the
machine if necessary. <<

Thanks for the reply. I found the syntax for the net send command and a way
to use it for this purpose, possibly:

NET USER [username [password | *] [options] [/DOMAIN]
NET USER username {password | *} /ADD [options] [/DOMAIN]
NET USER username [/DELETE] [/DOMAIN]

The suggestion I saw was:

net user username /times:M-F,5pm-9pm;Sa,6am-9pm;Su,6am-7pm

I'm going to give it a try on our XP Home system this evening.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain



From DBCfour at aol.com  Thu Jul 17 20:27:09 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:27:09 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
Message-ID: <103.32a99ff6.2c48a6ed@aol.com>


Windows Tip: Restrict User Logon Hours in Windows XP and 2K
Control when people can access your machine.
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,24330,3399440,00.html

Donna

In a message dated 7/17/2003 11:12:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
serbach at new.rr.com writes:


> Dear Group,
> 
> In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
> certain days and certain times of the day.
> 
> Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my sons
> (almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
> on the confuser.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Erbach

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 17 21:08:07 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
References: <000b01c34c76$18b78c80$3c06d018@W2k>
	<004301c34c7d$7ed977b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c34cd1$d9974070$3c06d018@W2k>

Drew,

So far so good. I created a new account with Administrator privileges. Then
I used the NET USER command to restrict the login time. I restarted the PC
and tried to log in with the new user name and Windows prevented the login.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Jul 17 21:10:18 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:10:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
References: <103.32a99ff6.2c48a6ed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c34cd1$d9c38090$3c06d018@W2k>

Donna,

Yup. That's the stuff all right. I wasn't sure about NET USER until I tried it on XP Home since I'd seen some discussions in other places that indicated that it wasn't possible without XP Pro.

Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Jul 17 21:15:18 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:15:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
References: 	<000b01c34c76$18b78c80$3c06d018@W2k><004301c34c7d$7ed977b0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>
	<001c01c34cd1$d9974070$3c06d018@W2k>
Message-ID: <009d01c34cd2$6f1312f0$1500a8c0@marlow.com>

Way to go.

That's one plus for XP Home! <grin> (Don't care for XP much, but like Pro
better then home! <grin>)

Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP Home security


> Drew,
>
> So far so good. I created a new account with Administrator privileges.
Then
> I used the NET USER command to restrict the login time. I restarted the PC
> and tried to log in with the new user name and Windows prevented the
login.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain
>
>
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From allcop.pc at t-online.de  Fri Jul 18 01:06:14 2003
From: allcop.pc at t-online.de (Bettina Giehr)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:06:14 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
In-Reply-To: <200307171700.h6HH0AQ05784@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <JJEKKADOJHCGFEKDENILMEKNCAAA.allcop.pc@t-online.de>

Steven,

this is an idea worth checking. If you have some code, please let me know. I
have a 14 year old son and I am about to create a BIOS password for his
computer that only I know. He is not a tech freak so that should be enough
but requires my input every time he wants to start the computer. That means
I have to enter his room...
I will check the Microsoft KB for date/time restrictions on user accounts.
If I find something I'll send it to the list.

Regards
Bettina

Steven wrote :

Dear Group,

In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
certain days and certain times of the day.

Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my sons
(almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
on the confuser.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." - Mark Twain




From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri Jul 18 02:14:36 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:14:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Humor - Stamp out Spam
Message-ID: <011501c34cfc$402e46b0$fd512304@amd2k>

http://www.smilepop.com/index.cfm?action=viewcard&content_id=8407&page_id=8407

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/



From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri Jul 18 16:08:26 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:08:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306978420@corp-es00>

Can the time/date be changed in the bios at bootup? This might be a way
around  your time check.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: DBCfour at aol.com [mailto:DBCfour at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:27 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP Home security



Windows Tip: Restrict User Logon Hours in Windows XP and 2K
Control when people can access your machine.
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,24330,3399440,00.html

Donna

In a message dated 7/17/2003 11:12:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
serbach at new.rr.com writes:




Dear Group,

In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
certain days and certain times of the day.

Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my sons
(almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
on the confuser.

Regards,

Steve Erbach



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From DBCfour at aol.com  Sat Jul 19 10:12:56 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:12:56 EDT
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Home security
Message-ID: <181.1e2cce00.2c4ab9f8@aol.com>


The page states that a person can't be forced off when their hours expire,
however you can set it up where a certain script is run when a certain user 
logs on.
Using the internal clock, you can have the script execute either
a regular shutdown (preferred), or a forced shutdown (possible lost of data)
when that user time expires.

You can schedule a run for one of these shortcuts,
http://www.peterszaro.com/downloads/XP-Shutdown-Shortcuts/

Donna

In a message dated 7/17/2003 11:12:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
serbach at new.rr.com writes:


> Dear Group,
> 
> In Novell NetWare I can restrict the login times of any and all users to
> certain days and certain times of the day.
> 
> Is it possible to do the same in Windows XP Home? I'm trying to get my sons
> (almost 13 and 16) to get out of the house more and not spend so much time
> on the confuser.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Erbach
> 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Jul 21 09:40:06 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:40:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Terminal Services question
Message-ID: <004801c34f95$fa82bfa0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Something has gone haywire with our TS box. It's kicking everyone out after
maybe 5 minutes of connect-time. Is there some setting that controls the
timeout period?

TIA,
Arthur


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Jul 21 09:57:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:57:59 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Terminal Services question
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B23C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes there is.

The admin can set a max time...

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Verzonden: maandag 21 juli 2003 16:40
Aan: dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Terminal Services question


Something has gone haywire with our TS box. It's kicking everyone out
after maybe 5 minutes of connect-time. Is there some setting that
controls the timeout period?

TIA,
Arthur

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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Jul 23 12:54:47 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:54:47 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A7F@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


Has anyone used Zope for anything?

I've been browsing the site and thumbing through a few books on the couch in
Barnes and Noble on it.  It looks like a pretty simple, quick and
interesting way to put together web applications.

Does anyone have any practical experience with it, and be willing to share
their thoughts?

Mark


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From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:32:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A84@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in a
directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of opening
the connection and moving the files.

I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.  

Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was successful
or not?

Thanks,

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Jul 23 13:55:14 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:55:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29515@nnse14.nns.com>

Mark,

This level of DOS scripting is past mine, but I found a forum conversation
via Google that may help.  There are several iterations of this script that
they discuss, be sure to at least glance through all the comments.
http://beta.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/MSDOS/Q_20539980.html

Mark


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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:32 PM
To: 'dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP



I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in a
directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of opening
the connection and moving the files.

I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.  

Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was successful
or not?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Jul 23 14:21:11 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:21:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A86@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

you're right - that's a whole 'nother level!

I'll study it for a few days and see if I can adapt it to my use.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP


Mark,

This level of DOS scripting is past mine, but I found a forum conversation
via Google that may help.  There are several iterations of this script that
they discuss, be sure to at least glance through all the comments.
http://beta.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/MSDOS/Q_20539980.html

Mark


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From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:32 PM
To: 'dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP



I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in a
directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of opening
the connection and moving the files.

I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.  

Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was successful
or not?

Thanks,

Mark


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Jul 23 15:13:31 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:13:31 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
Message-ID: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B25A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Why don't u use a control to FTP.

You can use the one included in VB6 or purchase one.
I bought myself two years ago a complete IP set of controls which I'm
still using today
FTP, UDP, TCP, HTTP etc controls.

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Verzonden: woensdag 23 juli 2003 21:21
Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP


you're right - that's a whole 'nother level!

I'll study it for a few days and see if I can adapt it to my use.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:55 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP


Mark,

This level of DOS scripting is past mine, but I found a forum
conversation via Google that may help.  There are several iterations of
this script that they discuss, be sure to at least glance through all
the comments.
http://beta.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/MSDOS/Q_20539980.html

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:32 PM
To: 'dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP



I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in
a directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of
opening the connection and moving the files.

I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.  

Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was
successful or not?

Thanks,

Mark


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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 23 15:36:17 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:36:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone
In-Reply-To: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A7F@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3515a$119093a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

As I recall Shamil is a big fan of Zope.



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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark
Sent: July 23, 2003 1:55 PM
To: 'dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone



Has anyone used Zope for anything?

I've been browsing the site and thumbing through a few books on the couch in
Barnes and Noble on it.  It looks like a pretty simple, quick and
interesting way to put together web applications.

Does anyone have any practical experience with it, and be willing to share
their thoughts?

Mark


From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed Jul 23 15:40:20 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:40:20 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A89@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Good enough for me!  I'll take some time and dig a little deeper then.

Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:36 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone


As I recall Shamil is a big fan of Zope.



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To: 'dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zope anyone



Has anyone used Zope for anything?

I've been browsing the site and thumbing through a few books on the couch in
Barnes and Noble on it.  It looks like a pretty simple, quick and
interesting way to put together web applications.

Does anyone have any practical experience with it, and be willing to share
their thoughts?

Mark

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Jul 23 16:36:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jcolby at colbyconsulting.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:36:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
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Mark,

I found a VBA class out there to do this (ftp uploads) by Dev Ashish and
Terry Kraft.  Given that it runs in VB, it can support error handling and
such.

Given that it all just worked (for my application) I have never tried to mod
it or anything.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP



I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in a
directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of opening
the connection and moving the files.

I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.

Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was successful
or not?

Thanks,

Mark


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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Jul 23 16:59:11 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:59:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Publisher Save as Web Page
In-Reply-To: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B25A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <000001c35165$a615f730$8e01a8c0@Rock>

My friend does his basic classic motorcycle sales thing in Publisher. He
wants to be able to send the current catalog to email correspondents.
Sending the .pub file requires Publisher. Saving as a web page results in
None of the images are sent, so you have a lot of markers and a little text.
I didn't see Acrobat in the Save As list. Is there an add-in that will let
you save .pubs as .pdfs?



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Jul 23 18:29:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:29:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Publisher Save as Web Page
In-Reply-To: <000001c35165$a615f730$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <DB69D82D6AE69846A9CCC120057388C008B25A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3F1FA6EE.30836.41FB79@localhost>

On 23 Jul 2003 at 17:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> My friend does his basic classic motorcycle sales thing in Publisher. He
> wants to be able to send the current catalog to email correspondents.
> Sending the .pub file requires Publisher. Saving as a web page results in
> None of the images are sent, so you have a lot of markers and a little text.
> I didn't see Acrobat in the Save As list. Is there an add-in that will let
> you save .pubs as .pdfs?
> 

You would probably need a PDF writer of some sort, either   Adobe or 
a free tool.  You could try my free MakePDF ( uses Ghostscript as the 
backend). If you use that, it's just a case of printing the .pub file 
to a postscript file and running it through the MakePDF FE.




--  
Check out my free software at: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg



From DBCfour at aol.com  Wed Jul 23 20:11:02 2003
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:11:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Publisher Save as Web Page
Message-ID: <210CF085.30FD508B.00143F01@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/23/2003 6:29:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, stuart at lexacorp.com.pg writes:

Try Publishers "pack and go" feature. It embeds the fonts and graphics.

Donna

> 
> 
> On 23 Jul 2003 at 17:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > My friend does his basic classic motorcycle sales thing in Publisher. He
> > wants to be able to send the current catalog to email correspondents.
> > Sending the .pub file requires Publisher. Saving as a web page results in
> > None of the images are sent, so you have a lot of markers and a little text.
> > I didn't see Acrobat in the Save As list. Is there an add-in that will let
> > you save .pubs as .pdfs?
> > 
> 
> You would probably need a PDF writer of some sort, either   Adobe or 
> a free tool.  You could try my free MakePDF ( uses Ghostscript as the 
> backend). If you use that, it's just a case of printing the 
> .pub file 
> to a postscript file and running it through the MakePDF FE.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --  
> Check out my free software at: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jul 24 01:58:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:58:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS FTP
In-Reply-To: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A84@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
References:  <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120A84@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <1692956310.20030724085840@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

The major advantage of DOS FTP is that is present on most Windows
machines; that is, at any machine you can sit down and get/send a file
from/to your FTP server back home.

For sending a single file or so, I use WCL_FTP (free) for which you
can get a module for Access - it's nearly a plug-in and go:

  http://www.pacific.net/~ken/software/

Instead of a DOS box the user has a small status windows to watch.

For sending thousands of files (I have an app sending a library of
pictures to a web site) nothing beats automation and 3D-FTP (USD 40):

  http://www.3dftp.com/

It runs at an incredible speed because it is multi-threaded, has all
features, error handling and a nice status window which is needed for
long up/downloads.

/gustav


> I have a batch file which references an .ftp file to upload all files in a
> directory to an FTP point on a nightly job.  It's a simple script of opening
> the connection and moving the files.

> I'm having a problem where the FTP point may be down.  The job does not
> error out, it just continues on as if it succeeded.  

> Does anyone have a way to log wether or not a DOS FTP script was successful
> or not?


From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 24 10:43:10 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:43:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Publisher Save as Web Page
In-Reply-To: <3F1FA6EE.30836.41FB79@localhost>
Message-ID: <000501c351fa$490a6e00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I'm such a dunce sometimes. I even have the full version of Acrobat, but
forgot that I could just print to a PDF. Doh!

Arthur

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: July 23, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Publisher Save as Web Page


You would probably need a PDF writer of some sort, either   Adobe or 
a free tool.  You could try my free MakePDF ( uses Ghostscript as the 
backend). If you use that, it's just a case of printing the .pub file 
to a postscript file and running it through the MakePDF FE.

--  
Check out my free software at: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 24 15:49:38 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:49:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming two box
In-Reply-To: <000501c351fa$490a6e00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <003601c35225$1951e190$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I finally got myself a genuine server (compaq proliant 2 cpus raid yada yada
yada. For simplicity's sake I would like to rename said server to X, but
another box on the network is currently called X, so I need to rename it to
Y and then move all the databases from there to the genuine server. With any
luck, after the renaming all the Access ADPs and .NET solutions will not
notice that X and Y have traded names. How can I go about this?

Server = w2k Advanced Server, currently called Y.
MyDev = wxp Pro, housing a default instance of SQL2k (whose databases I want
to move to Server)
2 other boxes have apps that point to X, which after the clever rename will
automatically point to Y.

I'm not going to to anything without a backup and a plan. Advice?

TIA,
Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jul 24 20:55:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:55:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming two box
In-Reply-To: <003601c35225$1951e190$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEBHENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Arthur,
I'm not sure if this what you're asking but generally when you set up a new
server in the domain that you want to take over as primary controller you
set it up as a backup server and then promote it. Is the original X a domain
controller or just a DB server?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming two box
>
>
> I finally got myself a genuine server (compaq proliant 2 cpus
> raid yada yada
> yada. For simplicity's sake I would like to rename said server to X, but
> another box on the network is currently called X, so I need to
> rename it to
> Y and then move all the databases from there to the genuine
> server. With any
> luck, after the renaming all the Access ADPs and .NET solutions will not
> notice that X and Y have traded names. How can I go about this?
>
> Server = w2k Advanced Server, currently called Y.
> MyDev = wxp Pro, housing a default instance of SQL2k (whose
> databases I want
> to move to Server)
> 2 other boxes have apps that point to X, which after the clever
> rename will
> automatically point to Y.
>
> I'm not going to to anything without a backup and a plan. Advice?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Jul 24 21:16:23 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:16:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS amd Theory Questions
In-Reply-To: <003601c35225$1951e190$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <005301c35252$beebdbb0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

What is Sharepoint Server all about?
What is an Application Server?

A.


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu Jul 24 22:04:39 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:04:39 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS amd Theory Questions
In-Reply-To: <005301c35252$beebdbb0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000501c35259$7e9e81f0$a100a8c0@bbb888>

Very loosely speaking Sharepoint is M$'s internet based Domino
counterpoint product.  Like everything else it has some very good
(quicker (?) utility development) and some bad points (more structured
than Domino). 
An Application Server can be many,many different things to different
people, Captain.  Under Sharepoint, it is the sort of an equivalent to
Novel NAS (or whatever they call it now).

B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 12:16 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS amd Theory Questions


What is Sharepoint Server all about?
What is an Application Server?

A.

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Jul 25 01:55:12 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 25 Jul 2003 07:55:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS amd Theory Questions
Message-ID: <200307250655.HAA16041@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

SharePoint allows you to build interactive sites which can be used to store 
document libraries, contactslists etc which can then be shared by a team. 
However the new version when working with FrintPage differs as it acts as 
the application server to permit you to build very interactive data driven 
web sites based on XML.

I will end you some info of list on this area. In order to use this you 
need FP 2003, Win Server 2003 and Windows SharePoint Services.

We use Sharepoint in work to store all our training materials and share 
them between group members in our Unit. We cna track document changes using 
Sharepoint, build discussion lists etc

Martin



On Jul 25 2003, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> What is Sharepoint Server all about?
> What is an Application Server?
> 
> A.
> 
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-- 
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Analyst
Information Services
Queens University Belfast


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 25 13:19:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:19:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS amd Theory Questions
References: <200307250655.HAA16041@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3F2174C0.60501@shaw.ca>

I have used TrueArc Foremost on top of  SharePoint for use in Records 
Mangement. TrueArc was recently purchased by Documentum. Classifies 
documents, among other things, according to model requirements for the 
Management of Electronic Records (MoReq) by the European Commission, ISO 
15489 ,US Department of Defense electronic record-keeping standard (DoD 
5015.2) and approved by the United Kingdom Public Record Office to meet 
the functional requirements for electronic records management systems. 
Very pricey.

http://www.documentum.com/news_events/news/pr2001/q4/111901.htm
http://www.documentum.com/products/glossary/records_manager.htm

Martin Reid wrote:

> Arthur
>
> SharePoint allows you to build interactive sites which can be used to 
> store document libraries, contactslists etc which can then be shared 
> by a team. However the new version when working with FrintPage differs 
> as it acts as the application server to permit you to build very 
> interactive data driven web sites based on XML.
>
> I will end you some info of list on this area. In order to use this 
> you need FP 2003, Win Server 2003 and Windows SharePoint Services.
>
> We use Sharepoint in work to store all our training materials and 
> share them between group members in our Unit. We cna track document 
> changes using Sharepoint, build discussion lists etc
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Jul 25 2003, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> What is Sharepoint Server all about?
>> What is an Application Server?
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Jul 28 12:12:22 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:12:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Disc Copying Service
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1760707E@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
We distribute manuals to about 1,300 programs a year, 6 times a year.
We are exploring the possibility of putting the manual on a CD as a PDF
file, manual is a little over 200 pages.  BTW, we will put it on the WEB
for download but a lot of programs are still using using dial-up.  Has
anyone had experience using a service to duplicate CDs?  Turnaround
time, cost, etc.
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Jul 28 12:58:13 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:58:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Disc Copying Service
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29525@nnse14.nns.com>

Ed,

http://www.discmakers.com/rom/product_pages/cdrom_services.php

Although they were too pricey for my limited runs, I was impressed with
their full service capabilities.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:12 PM
To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Disc Copying Service


Hi All,
We distribute manuals to about 1,300 programs a year, 6 times a year.  We
are exploring the possibility of putting the manual on a CD as a PDF file,
manual is a little over 200 pages.  BTW, we will put it on the WEB for
download but a lot of programs are still using using dial-up.  Has anyone
had experience using a service to duplicate CDs?  Turnaround time, cost,
etc.
MTIA
Ed

Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Jul 31 14:49:47 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:49:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B69B994@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Everyone,

I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of retrieving deleted files off a hard drive.  We got on the subject because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff may have at home for business use.  He claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run.  I thought that once a disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time.  Is this true?  The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this score.  

If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk?  I would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work.  Which would cause some serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a new machine and excessing the old one.

Thanks for your help in settling the discussion.


Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 



From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Jul 31 15:35:56 2003
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:35:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
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That is a very good question to ask.  First of all, there are two things to
be aware of when data is stored on a disk.  The first is the actual physical
data, which is stored in the major portion of the drive, the second is the
'header' or table of contents, where the information about the file is
stored.  This header stores all sorts of information.  Information you may
use would be the file size, the name, the path it's in, the various
properties such as read only, archive, etc.  However, the header also stores
the 'sectors' where the file is stored on the disk.

If you completely wipe out that table of contents, then the chances of
restoring the data is going to be based upon how fragmented the drive is.
If a data file is completely scattered across the drive, it would be nearly
impossible to determine what goes with what, and in what order.  However,
those 'segments' are semi large.  Fat16 is 8k, Fat32 is 4k, not sure what
NTFS is, but I think it's 4k also.  What that means, is if you write a tiny
little file, say a few words, it is going to get it's own segment of 4k (or
8k for Fat16).  If you write a 5k file, it is going to get 2 segments.  So a
10 meg file is going to get a LOT of segments, thus, if those segments are
scattered, you can see the issue of trying to recover without the 'TOC' on
the disk.  Of course, your smaller files will recover easily, since you
can't fragment a file smaller then the segment size.

Next, when you delete a file, from your computer, it doesn't physically
write over the data.  It simply flags the TOC entry as being deleted.  In
FAT systems, it just removes the first character in the file name (making it
null), which prevents the file from showing up.  There are several utilities
out there that can 'undelete' a FAT file, by putting the character back into
place.  This of course is dependant upon the individual segments that the
file used.  They all need to have been left alone, or you risk retrieving a
corrupted file, if some of the segments have been 'reused'.

In NTFS systems, there are also recover utilities.  I personally have one
called Restore 2000 Pro.  Great utility.  It doesn't do the 'first
character' thing, it just shows you want used to be on the drive(full names
intact).  If it can recover it, it does.

Defragging a drive, after you delete data, isn't really going to do
anything, because unless you had the deleted data at the start of the drive,
then it may not get overwritten as the existing stuff is sorted and pushed
to the front.  You can write a little routine to fill your drive with 3 or
4k files, so that a defrag little writes over every segment.....that may
work.

However, in theory, even physically writing over the data, you cannot be
absolutely sure that it's gone.  Since disks read/write with a magnetic
process, there are residual layers of magnetism, and with the right
equipment (which would have to be VERY VERY sensitive, and probably costs
mucho denaro), you could theoretically retrieve anything that was ever
written to the disk.  If you are that worried about the data, the only thing
you can do is physically destroy the disks within the hard drive.

Now, if you are just trying to prevent the average techie from retrieving
the data (special hardware aside), then I would recommend the fill the drive
with junk method.  Formatting only removes the TOC of the disk.  It does not
write over every segment.  Writing over every segment is called a low level
format, and unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing with that process, I
recommend you stay away from it....because the wrong settings can cause the
drive to be unusable.

Hopefully that answers some of your question.

Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" <Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov>
To: "dba-Tech (E-mail)" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive


> Everyone,
>
> I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of
retrieving deleted files off a hard drive.  We got on the subject because we
are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff
may have at home for business use.  He claims that any file can be
reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run.  I thought that once a
disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone
defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time.  Is
this true?  The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't
let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this
score.
>
> If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk?  I would
think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would
have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work.  Which would cause some
serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is
very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying
a new machine and excessing the old one.
>
> Thanks for your help in settling the discussion.
>
>
> Ken Stoker
> Technology Commercialization
> Information Systems Administrator
> PH: (509) 375-3758
> FAX: (509) 375-6731
> E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Jul 31 16:23:35 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:23:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B69B99A@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Thanks, Drew.  I think I have had this explained before but not as well and not as detailed.  Appreciate it.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator

PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov <mailto:Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov> 



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive


That is a very good question to ask.  First of all, there are two things to
be aware of when data is stored on a disk.  The first is the actual physical
data, which is stored in the major portion of the drive, the second is the
'header' or table of contents, where the information about the file is
stored.  This header stores all sorts of information.  Information you may
use would be the file size, the name, the path it's in, the various
properties such as read only, archive, etc.  However, the header also stores
the 'sectors' where the file is stored on the disk.

If you completely wipe out that table of contents, then the chances of
restoring the data is going to be based upon how fragmented the drive is.
If a data file is completely scattered across the drive, it would be nearly
impossible to determine what goes with what, and in what order.  However,
those 'segments' are semi large.  Fat16 is 8k, Fat32 is 4k, not sure what
NTFS is, but I think it's 4k also.  What that means, is if you write a tiny
little file, say a few words, it is going to get it's own segment of 4k (or
8k for Fat16).  If you write a 5k file, it is going to get 2 segments.  So a
10 meg file is going to get a LOT of segments, thus, if those segments are
scattered, you can see the issue of trying to recover without the 'TOC' on
the disk.  Of course, your smaller files will recover easily, since you
can't fragment a file smaller then the segment size.

Next, when you delete a file, from your computer, it doesn't physically
write over the data.  It simply flags the TOC entry as being deleted.  In
FAT systems, it just removes the first character in the file name (making it
null), which prevents the file from showing up.  There are several utilities
out there that can 'undelete' a FAT file, by putting the character back into
place.  This of course is dependant upon the individual segments that the
file used.  They all need to have been left alone, or you risk retrieving a
corrupted file, if some of the segments have been 'reused'.

In NTFS systems, there are also recover utilities.  I personally have one
called Restore 2000 Pro.  Great utility.  It doesn't do the 'first
character' thing, it just shows you want used to be on the drive(full names
intact).  If it can recover it, it does.

Defragging a drive, after you delete data, isn't really going to do
anything, because unless you had the deleted data at the start of the drive,
then it may not get overwritten as the existing stuff is sorted and pushed
to the front.  You can write a little routine to fill your drive with 3 or
4k files, so that a defrag little writes over every segment.....that may
work.

However, in theory, even physically writing over the data, you cannot be
absolutely sure that it's gone.  Since disks read/write with a magnetic
process, there are residual layers of magnetism, and with the right
equipment (which would have to be VERY VERY sensitive, and probably costs
mucho denaro), you could theoretically retrieve anything that was ever
written to the disk.  If you are that worried about the data, the only thing
you can do is physically destroy the disks within the hard drive.

Now, if you are just trying to prevent the average techie from retrieving
the data (special hardware aside), then I would recommend the fill the drive
with junk method.  Formatting only removes the TOC of the disk.  It does not
write over every segment.  Writing over every segment is called a low level
format, and unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing with that process, I
recommend you stay away from it....because the wrong settings can cause the
drive to be unusable.

Hopefully that answers some of your question.

Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stoker, Kenneth E" <Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov>
To: "dba-Tech (E-mail)" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive


> Everyone,
>
> I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of
retrieving deleted files off a hard drive.  We got on the subject because we
are having an audit on those company-owned computers systems that some staff
may have at home for business use.  He claims that any file can be
reclaimed, even if a defragmentation has been run.  I thought that once a
disk has been defragmented, those files were truly gone, if the anyone
defragmented the disk, the audit would basically be a waste of time.  Is
this true?  The computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't
let any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle this
score.
>
> If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk?  I would
think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate cleanup, but that would
have me wondering now if a defragment doesn't work.  Which would cause some
serious concerns at this location as much of the stuff that I work with is
very sensitive and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying
a new machine and excessing the old one.
>
> Thanks for your help in settling the discussion.
>
>
> Ken Stoker
> Technology Commercialization
> Information Systems Administrator
> PH: (509) 375-3758
> FAX: (509) 375-6731
> E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jul 31 17:43:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:43:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
In-Reply-To: <003401c357a3$585dbd90$1500a8c0@marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3F2A284E.20916.49B9E5@localhost>

On 31 Jul 2003 at 15:35, Drew Wutka wrote:

>  The first is the actual physical
> data, which is stored in the major portion of the drive, the second is the
> 'header' or table of contents, where the information about the file is
> stored.  This header stores all sorts of information.  Information you may
> use would be the file size, the name, the path it's in, the various
> properties such as read only, archive, etc.  However, the header also
> stores the 'sectors' where the file is stored on the disk.
> 

You are talking about two different things here as your "header".

The File allocation Table which stores the "clusters" where the file 
is stored on disk is the "Header".  

The  various directory entries stores the other info including the 
address of the first cluster used. These are stored all over the disk 
in FAT32. In FAT16 , the root directory is stored straight after the 
File Allocation Table all other directory entry will be scattered 
over the disk. 
(The fixed size and location of the Root directory entry is the cause 
of the limit in the number of files that can be stored in the root 
directory of a Fat16 disk)

Note it's not "sectors", it's clusters.  

A sector is the drives smallest storage unit. The number of sectors 
on a disk is the factor of th physical structure of the disk and is 
independent of the way the disk is formatted It is the smallest unit 
that can be read/written to. A sector is always 512Bytes in size
 
A cluster is a group of sectors which the OS treats as a single unit. 
That is the smallest unit that the OS will use for storage.

(Low level disk read/write programs and recovery utilities can work 
with individual sectors)

> those 'segments' are semi large.  Fat16 is 8k,Fat32 is 4KB

Fat16 is  
512B - 64KB depending on disk size

Fat32 is 512B - 16KB dpending on disk size

257MB - 8GB are 4KB, 
8 - 16MB is 8KB
16 - 32MB is 16KB

>not sure what  NTFS is, but I think it's 4k also. 

It's user defineable (up to 64KB) , but the defaults are:

Up to 512MB- 512B
513-1024MB - 1KB
1025-2046MB - 2KB
2GB - 2TB - 4KB

> 
> Next, when you delete a file, from your computer, it doesn't physically
> write over the data.  It simply flags the TOC entry as being deleted.  In
> FAT systems, it just removes the first character in the file name (making it
> null), which prevents the file from showing up. 

No it doesn't make it a NULL  (actually, the term Null is meaningless 
when you talk about bytes), it makes it  &HE5 .

It also changes the entry in the File Allocation Table for the first 
cluster used by the file and makes it a  0 to show that the cluster 
is available to be written to.


> There are several utilities
> out there that can 'undelete' a FAT file, by putting the character back into
> place.  This of course is dependant upon the individual segments that the
> file used.  They all need to have been left alone, or you risk retrieving a
> corrupted file, if some of the segments have been 'reused'.
> 
> In NTFS systems, there are also recover utilities.  I personally have one
> called Restore 2000 Pro.  Great utility.  It doesn't do the 'first
> character' thing, it just shows you want used to be on the drive(full names
> intact).  If it can recover it, it does.
> 

That's because NTFS doesn't change the first character when it flags 
a file as deleted, it uses a flag in the file header information 

.... snip....

> 
> Now, if you are just trying to prevent the average techie from retrieving
> the data (special hardware aside), then I would recommend the fill the drive
> with junk method.  Formatting only removes the TOC of the disk.  It does not
> write over every segment.  Writing over every segment is called a low level
> format, and unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing with that process, I
> recommend you stay away from it....because the wrong settings can cause the
> drive to be unusable.
> 

No writing over every sector  has nothing to do with a "low level 
format"  A low level format actually creates the tracks and sectors 
on the disk. 

There are  a number of utilities which will overwrite every sector 
(multiple times if you wish) and do a VERY good job of making the 
data unrecoverable.

Take a look at 
http://www.thefreecountry.com/security/securedelete.shtml


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Jul 31 18:36:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:36:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
In-Reply-To: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B69B994@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKIENAA.john@winhaven.net>

The hard drive can be cleaned beyond most attempts by several utilites that
are available that basically write 1 & 0s to any unused portion of the disk
(as noted by the File Allocation Table) a certain number of times. IIRC 7
writes is US govt spec for security. It erases the magnetic memory that
allows the gurus to "see" what used to be there.

However,
I would think an audit would first look through the various folder/files
that windows doesn't expose to the average (sometimes even power) user. That
would be the most obvious way to go about it - registry, internet history
folders, cache folders, temporary files, email, etc.

I think it would take along time and some effort to actually erase all of
your tracks from a windows computer if an expert was looking for something.
Easier to start from scratch.

Norton SystemWorks has quite a few of the tools to do this but many if not
all can be found for free on the internet. If someone has run NSW and not
manually cleaned the registry afterwards you can find tracks that NSW was
used :o)

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stoker,
> Kenneth E
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:50 PM
> To: dba-Tech (E-mail)
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Retrieving Deleted Files off a hard drive
>
>
> Everyone,
>
> I recently had a discussion with a coworker about the subject of
> retrieving deleted files off a hard drive.  We got on the subject
> because we are having an audit on those company-owned computers
> systems that some staff may have at home for business use.  He
> claims that any file can be reclaimed, even if a defragmentation
> has been run.  I thought that once a disk has been defragmented,
> those files were truly gone, if the anyone defragmented the disk,
> the audit would basically be a waste of time.  Is this true?  The
> computer security group here is, I'm sure, quite good, don't let
> any limitations be considered in any advise returned to settle
> this score.
>
> If it is possible, does that also apply to a reformatted disk?  I
> would think that a reformatted disk would be the ultimate
> cleanup, but that would have me wondering now if a defragment
> doesn't work.  Which would cause some serious concerns at this
> location as much of the stuff that I work with is very sensitive
> and would make me wonder about correct processes when buying a
> new machine and excessing the old one.
>
> Thanks for your help in settling the discussion.
>
>
> Ken Stoker
> Technology Commercialization
> Information Systems Administrator
> PH: (509) 375-3758
> FAX: (509) 375-6731
> E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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