From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 1 11:43:46 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:43:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Long Directory names on a CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <3F79D838.2060409@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Marty, If this helps: Windows 2000 won't allow me to have a file name of over 205 characters. My UDF (InCD version 3.38.1) won't copy a file name of over 127 characters. jb > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Long Directory names on a CD-ROM > > > I was just wondering if any anyone has had problems storing data to > CD-ROM's with long directory and filenames like > "c:\documents\academic\texts\journal articles\in progress...[etc > etc]..\my new article.doc". > I know that Microsoft uses the Joliet format which is the ISO-9660 > level-3 with extensions. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > This has the following limits. > On Joliet compliant media, however, > the length of a directory identifier shall not exceed 128, to allow for > longer directory identifiers. > the length of a filename identifier shall not exceed 128 > > Joliet compliant media shall comply with the remainder of ISO 9660 > Section 6.8.2.1, so that for each file recorded, the sum of the > following shall not exceed 240: > > the length of the file identifier; > the length of the directory identifiers of all relevant directories; > the number of relevant directories. > The above lengths shall be expressed as a number of bytes. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The articles on Microsoft does not explicitly explain if this is unicode > lengths or not.. > or not . Has anyone seen any articles explaining this or its > ramifications for CD storage.? > Or anyway around this limit for CD storage with Joliet because otherwise > the total file names > are truncated. > > I know there is a UDF format based on ISO/IEC 13346 (which is closely > related to ECMA-167) > but this writes in packets and requires specialized drivers. > I have heard of a Mount Rainier format for CD's that maybe incorporated > in future MS OSes > I have even heard of BlueRay from phillips with error correction and 25 > Gb formats > but I an stuck with Joliet for archiving at present. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Oct 1 15:14:18 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:14:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows group References: <000c01c386eb$2a8e9610$1b06d018@W2k> <1061667487.20030930085056@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001b01c38858$9b879740$1b06d018@W2k> Gustav, Thanks for the pointers on Novell. I think I'll check out that Small Business Server thing. I was really looking for an explanation of the NET ACCOUNTS /FORCELOGOFF function and why it doesn't seem to work on a plain old Windows PC. The details for the command seem to suggest that if there are users set up on that PC whose logon times have been restricted, then the /FORCELOGOFF command will give them X minutes to get the heck out of Dodge. That doesn't seem to be the case on my Windows 2000 Pro w/s. If there were just something clearcut like the Novell user login times capability...that's what I meant. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "The press must learn that misguided use of a computer is no more amazing than drunk driving of an automobile." - Ken Thompson (co-inventor of UNIX), 1984 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Oct 10 04:09:21 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:09:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <20031010090918.4FD7C24E827@smithers.nildram.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:17:30 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:17:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: What concerns WXP, you need to install a English international verison. You can buy that in any country. You can not update from one language to another. A new install is necesary resulting in installing all applications all over again. What Concerns Office 2K and XP. You can install the Multinational language kit. This will allow you to change the language of office (menu's toolbars etc). I tought I read somewhere that this is now build in to the OXP by default but I have seen no prove of that (I can't cahnge mine overhere). Posibly only in the multinational company licenses. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Andy Lacey Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:09 Aan: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Oct 10 04:19:06 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:19:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449BF6@ALCUXB> Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:23:07 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:23:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:27:33 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:27:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Oct 10 04:30:57 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:30:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449BF8@ALCUXB> I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:36:32 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:36:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: :-) Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as many different keyboards too... I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:31 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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A new install is needed. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Andy Lacey Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:38 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Thanks to Erwin and Jon for responding. And the debate actually helped to clarify what the language settings do and do not do. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:31 I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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URL: From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Oct 10 04:40:02 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:40:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449BF9@ALCUXB> Some of my users can barely speak English... let alone a "second" language! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings :-) Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as many different keyboards too... I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:31 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:43:09 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:43:09 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: Ah Andy This can be helpfull. Some brand deliver their computers preinstalled with three languages (in Belgium that is, don't know for Germany). When starting the computer the very first time it ask you which language you wish to use, it a one time choice. But, If the computer a restore back to factory cd (like HP) you can make that choice all over again. I believe Dell does not do this. Dell ships only with one language. HP does ship with more than one language depending on the type. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Andy Lacey Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:38 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Thanks to Erwin and Jon for responding. And the debate actually helped to clarify what the language settings do and do not do. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:31 I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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If I watch UK soaps, I sometimes wonder what language they are speaking :-) (the Londen accent) Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:40 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Some of my users can barely speak English... let alone a "second" language! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings :-) Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as many different keyboards too... I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:31 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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URL: From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 10 04:46:08 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:46:08 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1159663675.20031010114608@cactus.dk> Hi Erwin So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your non-French language used Belgium)? By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. /gustav > Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > :-) > Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages > and the EC in Brussels... > I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many > languages as the EC exists of countries..... > My job was to prepare them... > And not to forget as many different keyboards too... > I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, > French and 1 German... > I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when > giving suport by phone... From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Oct 10 04:47:58 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:47:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449BFB@ALCUXB> Yep :-) I never watch soaps... they're awful... Please don't think that everyone sounds like that over here! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I'm gonna ask an naughty question.... Is that in the UK? If I watch UK soaps, I sometimes wonder what language they are speaking :-) (the Londen accent) Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:40 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Some of my users can barely speak English... let alone a "second" language! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings :-) Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as many different keyboards too... I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:31 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:54:43 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:54:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: Gustav.... Its Flemish.... And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom speak German and not Dutch... So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of Belgium. But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not French-French... Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on myself here.... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Hi Erwin So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your non-French language used Belgium)? By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. /gustav > Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > :-) > Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages > and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped > computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of > countries..... My job was to prepare them... > And not to forget as many different keyboards too... > I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, > French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in > 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 04:56:24 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:56:24 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: I know, used to work for a UK company. Racal-Milgo/Datacom. Was a very nice experiance for me. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:48 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Yep :-) I never watch soaps... they're awful... Please don't think that everyone sounds like that over here! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I'm gonna ask an naughty question.... Is that in the UK? If I watch UK soaps, I sometimes wonder what language they are speaking :-) (the Londen accent) Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:40 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Some of my users can barely speak English... let alone a "second" language! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings :-) Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as many different keyboards too... I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:31 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I stand (or rather sit) corrected then... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I must say I thought it was as Erwin describes. The language setting dictates keyboard entry but not the display of Windows itself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 09:28 No, read the text above.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:25 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings You can change the language settings in there, I'm sure - the first tab is "Language"... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings No no Thats only for country specific things like date number format, GMT time offset etc.... Forgot something. English international is not the same as American English. I believe US version is more lightweighted and has less international support. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a US version will permit you to set the regional settings to Germany for example? Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:19 Aan: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Andy Is it not in the default language settings? Control Panels/Regional settings? I've not got much experience of XP, but you can certainly do that in 2K. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. 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But is sounds the same... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Erwin Craps Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:55 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Gustav.... Its Flemish.... And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom speak German and not Dutch... So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of Belgium. But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not French-French... Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on myself here.... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Hi Erwin So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your non-French language used Belgium)? By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. /gustav > Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > :-) > Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages > and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped > computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of > countries..... My job was to prepare them... > And not to forget as many different keyboards too... > I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, > French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in > 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 10 05:04:19 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:04:19 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10510754954.20031010120419@cactus.dk> Hi Erwin I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so I caught that. Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so learnt something new today! /gustav > Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 > Gustav.... > Its Flemish.... > And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... > Flemish people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The > Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom > speak German and not Dutch... > So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of > Belgium. > But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used > than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but > they are not. > Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... > Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... > Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not > French-French... > Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on myself > here.... > Erwin > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > Hi Erwin > So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your non-French > language used Belgium)? > By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) > machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, > oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. > /gustav >> Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 >> :-) >> Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical languages >> and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped >> computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of >> countries..... My job was to prepare them... >> And not to forget as many different keyboards too... >> I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), Dutch, >> French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart in >> 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 05:21:38 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:21:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings Message-ID: NO ARCHIVE Well I must say Flemish people tend to say they speak Flemish but this is to make clear they are from Belgium and not from The Netherlands. And if we say we are from Belgium, people often think we are French speaking.... It's sometimes funny because they start speaking to us in French straightaway and we answer in French so they really believe we are Belgian-French... You sometimes should hear a Belgian conversation between collegue's... The French one is speaking Dutch to the Dutch person so he can improve his Dutch This Dutch person reponds to this French person in French because he wants to improve his French. When there is a second French speaking person, the first French speaks French to the second French and both French speak Dutch to the Dutch Person and the Dutch person responds to both in French. And when a second Dutch person arrives.... You get the idea.... So the whole conversations switches constantly from one language to another (there is no translating done) depending on whom you are taking to... And if a English persons get in, well, they all speak English... Really, it very amusing to watch a group of people talking like that... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 12:04 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Hi Erwin I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so I caught that. Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so learnt something new today! /gustav > Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 > Gustav.... > Its Flemish.... > And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish > people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The > Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom > speak German and not Dutch... > So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of > Belgium. > But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used > than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but > they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... > Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... > Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not > French-French... > Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on > myself here.... > Erwin > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > Hi Erwin > So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your > non-French language used Belgium)? > By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) > machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, > oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. > /gustav >> Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 >> :-) >> Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical >> languages >> and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped >> computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of >> countries..... My job was to prepare them... >> And not to forget as many different keyboards too... >> I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), >> Dutch, >> French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart >> in >> 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Oct 10 05:28:52 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:28:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <20031010102849.2418E24D4E5@smithers.nildram.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Fri Oct 10 05:31:12 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:31:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9B9A@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> It depend what part of the UK the soaps are set! Regards! Chris Foote (Half way between 'East Enders' and 'Emmerdale Farm' ) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Yep :-) I never watch soaps... they're awful... Please don't think that everyone sounds like that over here! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 10 October 2003 10:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I'm gonna ask an naughty question.... Is that in the UK? If I watch UK soaps, I sometimes wonder what language they are speaking :-) (the Londen accent) Erwin From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Oct 10 05:31:14 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:31:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <20031010103111.2FFAF24ED7B@smithers.nildram.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 10 09:35:50 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:35:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There was a recent news item in this area about an area of Wisconsin where the Belgian immigrants were the last people in the world to speak a particular dialect of (I believe they said) Flemish. They were afraid that it would become a dead language because the kids aren't bothering to use it anymore. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:22 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > > NO ARCHIVE > > Well I must say Flemish people tend to say they speak Flemish but this > is to make clear they are from Belgium and not from The Netherlands. > > And if we say we are from Belgium, people often think we are French > speaking.... > It's sometimes funny because they start speaking to us in French > straightaway and we answer in French so they really believe we are > Belgian-French... > > You sometimes should hear a Belgian conversation between collegue's... > The French one is speaking Dutch to the Dutch person so he can improve > his Dutch > This Dutch person reponds to this French person in French because he > wants to improve his French. When there is a second French speaking > person, the first French speaks French to the second French and both > French speak Dutch to the Dutch Person and the Dutch person responds to > both in French. > > And when a second Dutch person arrives.... You get the idea.... > > So the whole conversations switches constantly from one language to > another (there is no translating done) depending on whom you are taking > to... > > And if a English persons get in, well, they all speak English... > > Really, it very amusing to watch a group of people talking like that... > > > > > > Erwin > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 12:04 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > Hi Erwin > > I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so I > caught that. > > Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so learnt > something new today! > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 > > > Gustav.... > > > Its Flemish.... > > And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish > > people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The > > Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom > > speak German and not Dutch... > > > So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of > > Belgium. > > > But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used > > than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but > > > they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... > > Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... > > > Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not > > > French-French... > > > Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on > > myself here.... > > > Erwin > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 > > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > > Hi Erwin > > > So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your > > non-French language used Belgium)? > > > By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) > > machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, > > oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. > > > /gustav > > > >> Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > > >> :-) > > >> Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical > >> languages > > >> and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped > >> computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of > >> countries..... My job was to prepare them... > >> And not to forget as many different keyboards too... > > >> I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), > >> Dutch, > > >> French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart > >> in > > >> 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 10 09:35:51 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:35:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: <20031010090918.4FD7C24E827@smithers.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability to switch between English(US) and Spanish? (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work but they only speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with them. Because most of what I would be doing wouldn't involve any discussions if I could switch between languages on the computers I could do most of it without an interpreter.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:09 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? 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My Spanish has disintegrated into courteous greetings and such. I am no longer capable of a real conversation. My German has gone to that same lost area of my brain. I guess the old saying of "use it or lose it" is quite true! jb -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I think not John. I believe the upshot of this discussion is that Windows will only display in one language, that for which it was installed. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 14:36 A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability to switch between English(US) and Spanish? (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work but they only speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with them. Because most of what I would be doing wouldn't involve any discussions if I could switch between languages on the computers I could do most of it without an interpreter.) From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 10:18:55 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:18:55 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Message-ID: No, OS are language specific. Only thing you can do is a dual boot and install all apps twice.. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John B. Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 16:36 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability to switch between English(US) and Spanish? (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work but they only speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with them. Because most of what I would be doing wouldn't involve any discussions if I could switch between languages on the computers I could do most of it without an interpreter.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:09 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings A question for one of you continental European guys. If one was to buy a WXP laptop from,say, a German seller and give that to an English speaker, is there any way of changing the display of system messages, option names etc to all be in English? Or would one have to buy and install a UK copy of WXP? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 10 10:20:28 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:20:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings Message-ID: Thats correct... Flemisch people are very (correct use of)language minded and indeed there is an issue for dialects. I don't know how many dialects we have I supose somewhere between 40 an 80 (for 6 Million people). IT is a fact most parents raise thee children in correct language use and don't bother to learn a dialect. Myself I was raisen in dialect (I'm 38 now) at my parents home, but I supose I was one of the last... Often parents talk to each other in dalect when the kid is not around but to their child always in correct Dutch. So thats why dialect is dying a silent dead. TV station are anticpating on that and we have soap in some artificial dialect mixture and local stations have some real authentic guy telling some jokes in plain local dialect. There are some movements to keep the dialect gooing, but I supose dialect is gooing to be a touristick thing in x years. Probably the whole world is gooing to have this in a couple of thousends years. Dutch, German, Italian all gonna be some local dialect in our globalised world. Probably English gonna be the world language, or Chinees or Spanisch, Spanisch is still the most used native language. Or maybe the EC will be pushing esperanto? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John B. Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 16:36 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings There was a recent news item in this area about an area of Wisconsin where the Belgian immigrants were the last people in the world to speak a particular dialect of (I believe they said) Flemish. They were afraid that it would become a dead language because the kids aren't bothering to use it anymore. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:22 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > > NO ARCHIVE > > Well I must say Flemish people tend to say they speak Flemish but this > is to make clear they are from Belgium and not from The Netherlands. > > And if we say we are from Belgium, people often think we are French > speaking.... It's sometimes funny because they start speaking to us in > French straightaway and we answer in French so they really believe we > are Belgian-French... > > You sometimes should hear a Belgian conversation between collegue's... > The French one is speaking Dutch to the Dutch person so he can improve > his Dutch This Dutch person reponds to this French person in French > because he wants to improve his French. When there is a second French > speaking person, the first French speaks French to the second French > and both French speak Dutch to the Dutch Person and the Dutch person > responds to both in French. > > And when a second Dutch person arrives.... You get the idea.... > > So the whole conversations switches constantly from one language to > another (there is no translating done) depending on whom you are > taking to... > > And if a English persons get in, well, they all speak English... > > Really, it very amusing to watch a group of people talking like > that... > > > > > > Erwin > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 12:04 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > Hi Erwin > > I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so > I caught that. > > Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so > learnt something new today! > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 > > > Gustav.... > > > Its Flemish.... > > And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish > > people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The > > Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) > > whom speak German and not Dutch... > > > So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of > > Belgium. > > > But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used > > than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages > > but > > > they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, > > etc... Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... > > > Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and > > not > > > French-French... > > > Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on > > myself here.... > > > Erwin > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 > > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > > Hi Erwin > > > So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your > > non-French language used Belgium)? > > > By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) > > machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, > > oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. > > > /gustav > > > >> Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > > >> :-) > > >> Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical > >> languages > > >> and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped > >> computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of > >> countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as > >> many different keyboards too... > > >> I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), > >> Dutch, > > >> French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart > >> in > > >> 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Oct 10 10:33:44 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:33:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings Message-ID: <20031010153340.1FA2D250DA3@smithers.nildram.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 10 10:52:38 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Esperanto, I would guess. Once you all use the same currency and have the EU government thing down they will have to do something to keep the cost of official document publication down. But it will take awhile! The US has been around over 200 years now and we can't seem to agree on that issue. We have our official government publications printed in many languages. I liked being able to communicate in multiple languages and am jealous of you europeans that can! I am trying to get my wife to take up Spanish with me. We have a lot of spanish speaking people coming into this area and she is an elementary school teacher, so it would be of good value to her line of work. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > > Thats correct... > > Flemisch people are very (correct use of)language minded and indeed > there is an issue for dialects. > I don't know how many dialects we have I supose somewhere between 40 an > 80 (for 6 Million people). > IT is a fact most parents raise thee children in correct language use > and don't bother to learn a dialect. > Myself I was raisen in dialect (I'm 38 now) at my parents home, but I > supose I was one of the last... > > Often parents talk to each other in dalect when the kid is not around > but to their child always in correct Dutch. > > So thats why dialect is dying a silent dead. > > TV station are anticpating on that and we have soap in some artificial > dialect mixture and local stations have some real authentic guy telling > some jokes in plain local dialect. > > There are some movements to keep the dialect gooing, but I supose > dialect is gooing to be a touristick thing in x years. > > Probably the whole world is gooing to have this in a couple of thousends > years. > Dutch, German, Italian all gonna be some local dialect in our globalised > world. > Probably English gonna be the world language, or Chinees or Spanisch, > Spanisch is still the most used native language. > > Or maybe the EC will be pushing esperanto? > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John B. > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 16:36 > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > > There was a recent news item in this area about an area of Wisconsin > where the Belgian immigrants were the last people in the world to speak > a particular dialect of (I believe they said) Flemish. They were afraid > that it would become a dead language because the kids aren't bothering > to use it anymore. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:22 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > > > > > NO ARCHIVE > > > > Well I must say Flemish people tend to say they speak Flemish but this > > > is to make clear they are from Belgium and not from The Netherlands. > > > > And if we say we are from Belgium, people often think we are French > > speaking.... It's sometimes funny because they start speaking to us in > > > French straightaway and we answer in French so they really believe we > > are Belgian-French... > > > > You sometimes should hear a Belgian conversation between collegue's... > > > The French one is speaking Dutch to the Dutch person so he can improve > > > his Dutch This Dutch person reponds to this French person in French > > because he wants to improve his French. When there is a second French > > speaking person, the first French speaks French to the second French > > and both French speak Dutch to the Dutch Person and the Dutch person > > responds to both in French. > > > > And when a second Dutch person arrives.... You get the idea.... > > > > So the whole conversations switches constantly from one language to > > another (there is no translating done) depending on whom you are > > taking to... > > > > And if a English persons get in, well, they all speak English... > > > > Really, it very amusing to watch a group of people talking like > > that... > > > > > > > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 12:04 > > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > > > > Hi Erwin > > > > I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so > > I caught that. > > > > Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so > > learnt something new today! > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 > > > > > Gustav.... > > > > > Its Flemish.... > > > And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish > > > people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The > > > Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) > > > whom speak German and not Dutch... > > > > > So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of > > > Belgium. > > > > > But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used > > > > than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages > > > but > > > > > they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, > > > etc... Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... > > > > > Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and > > > not > > > > > French-French... > > > > > Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on > > > myself here.... > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 > > > Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > > > > > Hi Erwin > > > > > So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your > > > non-French language used Belgium)? > > > > > By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) > > > machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, > > > oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >> Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 > > > > >> :-) > > > > >> Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical > > >> languages > > > > >> and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped > > > >> computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of > > >> countries..... My job was to prepare them... And not to forget as > > >> many different keyboards too... > > > > >> I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), > > >> Dutch, > > > > >> French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart > > > >> in > > > > >> 3 languages....when giving suport by phone... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 10 10:52:38 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:52:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings In-Reply-To: <20031010153340.1FA2D250DA3@smithers.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: I do use the online services from time to time but as you say, the literal translations can wreak havoc! One could also use those little hand held translaters but the time put into that would be considerable and the literal translations would still be a problem. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings Do it on-line John! http://dictionary.reference.com/translate translated "use it or lose it" as "util?celo o pi?rdalo", which is pretty good. On the downside it rendered "cool as a cucumber" into "Refresq?ese como pepino" (which I make "refresh yourself like a cucumber does"). Still, it could lead to some interesting meetings :-))))) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 14:59 Isn't it odd that most of the applications can be switched to another language but not the OS?! OK, well, interpreter time then. My Spanish has disintegrated into courteous greetings and such. I am no longer capable of a real conversation. My German has gone to that same lost area of my brain. I guess the old saying of "use it or lose it" is quite true! jb -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I think not John. I believe the upshot of this discussion is that Windows will only display in one language, that for which it was installed. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 14:36 A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability to switch between English(US) and Spanish? (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work but they only speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with them. Because most of what I would be doing wouldn't involve any discussions if I could switch between languages on the computers I could do most of it without an interpreter.) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Oct 10 13:37:29 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:37:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings References: Message-ID: <3F86FC69.7020806@shaw.ca> I went to a bilingual French-English university in Ottawa and used to see the same thing in the university pubs. Erwin Craps wrote: >NO ARCHIVE > >Well I must say Flemish people tend to say they speak Flemish but this >is to make clear they are from Belgium and not from The Netherlands. > >And if we say we are from Belgium, people often think we are French >speaking.... >It's sometimes funny because they start speaking to us in French >straightaway and we answer in French so they really believe we are >Belgian-French... > >You sometimes should hear a Belgian conversation between collegue's... >The French one is speaking Dutch to the Dutch person so he can improve >his Dutch >This Dutch person reponds to this French person in French because he >wants to improve his French. When there is a second French speaking >person, the first French speaks French to the second French and both >French speak Dutch to the Dutch Person and the Dutch person responds to >both in French. > >And when a second Dutch person arrives.... You get the idea.... > >So the whole conversations switches constantly from one language to >another (there is no translating done) depending on whom you are taking >to... > >And if a English persons get in, well, they all speak English... > >Really, it very amusing to watch a group of people talking like that... > > > > > >Erwin > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock >Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 12:04 >Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > >Hi Erwin > >I'm with you, all right, and it's Friday. And I know about deutsch so I >caught that. > >Never knew about the connection between the Flemish and Dutch, so learnt >something new today! > >/gustav > > > > >>Date: 2003-10-10 11:54 >> >> > > > >>Gustav.... >> >> > > > >>Its Flemish.... >>And its very confusion because Flemish is not a language... Flemish >>people speak Dutch. Dutch is Nederlands (like they speak in The >>Netherlands (Holland)) and not Dutch as in Deutschland (Germany) whom >>speak German and not Dutch... >> >> > > > >>So Flemish is a person from Vlaanderen which is the north side of >>Belgium. >> >> > > > >>But, because in The Netherlands (Holland) other Dutch words are used >>than in Vlaanderen (Flemisch) it sounds like a different languages but >> >> > > > >>they are not. Its like English USA and English UK or Australia, etc... >>Same language but different use of words and pronanciation... >> >> > > > >>Same thing for the south side of Belgium but in Belgian-French and not >> >> > > > >>French-French... >> >> > > > >>Is anyone still with me on this, because I'm starting to doubt on >>myself here.... >> >> > > > >>Erwin >> >> > > > > > > > >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock >>Verzonden: vrijdag 10 oktober 2003 11:46 >>Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings >> >> > > > > >>Hi Erwin >> >> > > > >>So how about Flamish (if this is how to spell in English your >>non-French language used Belgium)? >> >> > > > >>By the way, Andy, we have here a broker who can supply (mostly IBM) >>machines localized for many European countries. These machines are, >>oddly, very hard to obtain at the normal broadline distributors. >> >> > > > >>/gustav >> >> > > > > >>>Date: 2003-10-10 11:36 >>> >>> > > > >>>:-) >>> >>> > > > >>>Thats the advantage of beeing in a country with tree offical >>>languages >>> >>> > > > >>>and the EC in Brussels... I used to work for a company whom shipped >>>computers/terminal in as many languages as the EC exists of >>>countries..... My job was to prepare them... >>>And not to forget as many different keyboards too... >>> >>> > > > >>>I now have customers working in 4 languages.... English (Int), >>>Dutch, >>> >>> > > > >>>French and 1 German... I know most of the menu's in office by heart >>>in >>> >>> > > > >>>3 languages....when giving suport by phone... >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Oct 10 13:55:52 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings References: Message-ID: <3F8700B8.6040009@shaw.ca> Some people are moving towards a universal translator but don't hold your breath. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/community/experto/authors/voxtec.asp John B. wrote: > I do use the online services from time to time but as you say, the > literal translations can wreak havoc! > > One could also use those little hand held translaters but the time put > into that would be considerable and the literal translations would > still be a problem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings > > Do it on-line John! > http://dictionary.reference.com/translate translated "use it or > lose it" as "util?celo o pi?rdalo", which is pretty good. On the > downside it rendered "cool as a cucumber" into "Refresq?ese como > pepino" (which I make "refresh yourself like a cucumber does"). > Still, it could lead to some interesting meetings :-))))) > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > Date: 10/10/03 14:59 > > > Isn't it odd that most of the applications can be switched to > another > language but not the OS?! > > OK, well, interpreter time then. My Spanish has disintegrated > into courteous > greetings and such. I am no longer capable of a real > conversation. My German > has gone to that same lost area of my brain. I guess the old > saying of "use > it or lose it" is quite true! > > jb > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > > > I think not John. I believe the upshot of this discussion is > that Windows > will only display in one language, that for which it was > installed. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings > Date: 10/10/03 14:36 > > > A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability > to switch > between English(US) and Spanish? > > (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work > but they only > speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with > them. Because > most of what I would be doing wouldn't involve any discussions > if I could > switch between languages on the computers I could do most of > it without an > interpreter.) > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 10 18:50:26 2003 From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:50:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings References: <20031010153340.1FA2D250DA3@smithers.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <005001c38f89$47cc51d0$6501a8c0@user> Ha - this site is a hoot! I love the way it translated 'Dear Sir' as 'Sir Querido'. :))) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:33 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Windows Language Settings Do it on-line John! http://dictionary.reference.com/translate translated "use it or lose it" as "util?celo o pi?rdalo", which is pretty good. On the downside it rendered "cool as a cucumber" into "Refresq?ese como pepino" (which I make "refresh yourself like a cucumber does"). Still, it could lead to some interesting meetings :-))))) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 14:59 Isn't it odd that most of the applications can be switched to another language but not the OS?! OK, well, interpreter time then. My Spanish has disintegrated into courteous greetings and such. I am no longer capable of a real conversation. My German has gone to that same lost area of my brain. I guess the old saying of "use it or lose it" is quite true! jb -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings I think not John. I believe the upshot of this discussion is that Windows will only display in one language, that for which it was installed. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Language Settings Date: 10/10/03 14:36 A follow-up to this for anyone - Does WinXP have the ability to switch between English(US) and Spanish? (I have possible customers lined up for some sys-admin work but they only speak Spanish and I would need an interpreter to work with them. 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Private Sub CommandButton1_Click() 'TRANSPOSE Range("AA1:AL208").Select Selection.Copy Sheets("DATA_OUTPUT").Select Range("A6").Select Selection.PasteSpecial Paste:=xlValues, operation:=xlNone, skipblanks:=False, Transpose:=True Range("A6").Select Application.CutCopyMode = False ActiveWorkbook.Save End Sub Private Sub CommandButton2_Click() 'CLEAR Range("a6:K211").Select Selection.ClearContents Sheets("DATA_OUTPUT").Select Range("A4:IV17").Select Selection.ClearContents Sheets("DATA_EDIT").Select Range("A6:l211").Select Selection.ClearContents Sheets("DATA_INPUT").Select Range("A6").Select ActiveWorkbook.Save End Sub Jon Tydda IT Support Technician ALcontrol Technichem FAQ: Where do I find the "Any" key on my keyboard? (FAQ2859) The term "any key" does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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I think I'm good to go, anything I missed? Oh yeah, should I buy the 3 year service contract? Ed Edward P. Tesiny New York State OASAS Evaluation and Program Monitoring 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Tue Oct 14 20:46:20 2003 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:46:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AdministriviaList Configuration Changes Message-ID: <3F8C6EAC.17687.2BF2AA3@localhost> On Saturday October 18th, 2003 between 09:00 - 12:00 EDT (13:00 - 16:00 GMT) the lists hosted by Database Advisors will be making a small configuration change. This change will strip all HTML formatting from the posts sent to the lists. You should not have to do anything different at your end, the mailing list server will take care of it. Currently the DBA-OT list has been run this way for quite some time with no ill effects. 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If you have problems posting, PLEASE forward the entire rejection notice to listmaster at databaseadvisors.com *as an attachment*. If you don't forward it as an attachemnt, you will be inadvertently be removing the information I need to determine why your post was rejected. Thank You, -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Never let a computer see you hurry. _______________________________________________ Administrivia mailing list Administrivia at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/administrivia From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 20 09:55:41 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:55:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules yet though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for false negatives. I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things I subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes the subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it very high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of them or anything (who has the time?) HTH jb > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > HI Rocky, > I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC > and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or > both. It's $19.95. > > They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > > HTH > JB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > > spam filter. Ironic, no? > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Mon Oct 20 16:04:15 2003 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:04:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker References: Message-ID: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Hello John B, Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think that you are referring to iHateSpam. Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology the Bayesian filters ? It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been mark at mydomainname.ie I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell them that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname or do they just have my email address. Thanks in advance for any comments Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John B." To: "Dba-Tech" ; Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The > are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. > > The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules yet > though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your > deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for > false negatives. > > I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book > into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things I > subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes the > subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. > > They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me > but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it very > high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops > or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of > them or anything (who has the time?) > > HTH > jb > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > HI Rocky, > > I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC > > and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or > > both. It's $19.95. > > > > They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > > > > HTH > > JB > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > > > spam filter. Ironic, no? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 16:34:15 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:34:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> References: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <3F9454D7.8090303@verizon.net> If anyone is using Outlook express it would be more worth it to move to Thunderbird as it provides this JunkMail detection natively and is more secure and is just as fast. Of course you can import your address books email and settings. I dumpped OutlookExpress the moment I learned I could use hotmail popper to get my hotmail email. Since then I've never looked back. http://www.boolean.ca/ http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/index.html Mark L. Breen wrote: > Hello John B, > > Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different > to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? > > I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think that > you are referring to iHateSpam. > > Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology > the Bayesian filters ? > > It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. > > One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been > mark at mydomainname.ie > > I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell them > that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my > spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? > > In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname or do > they just have my email address. > > Thanks in advance for any comments > > Mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John B." > To: "Dba-Tech" ; > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > >>The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The >>are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. >> >>The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules > > yet > >>though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your >>deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for >>false negatives. >> >>I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book >>into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things > > I > >>subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes > > the > >>subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. >> >>They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me >>but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it > > very > >>high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops >>or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of >>them or anything (who has the time?) >> >>HTH >>jb >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. >>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM >>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker >>> >>> >>>HI Rocky, >>>I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your > > PC > >>>and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express > > or > >>>both. It's $19.95. >>> >>>They also have a server based version for Exchange users. >>> >>>http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 >>> >>>HTH >>>JB >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - > >>>>Beach Access Software >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM >>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker >>>> >>>> >>>>Dear List: >>>> >>>>It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all >>>>use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block >>>>Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on >>>>whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are >>>>contained in the message and/or heading? >>>> >>>>MTIA, >>>> >>>>Rocky Smolin >>>>Beach Access Software >>>> >>>>P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their >>>>spam filter. Ironic, no? -- -Francisco From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 20 16:39:46 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:39:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: Mark, AFAIK if you change your email as you mention, and get rid of the other one, your spam sill drop instantly. I have likewise considered doing that. I was stupid enough to put my email address in bare form on my web site long ago. :-( John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark L. Breen Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker Hello John B, Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think that you are referring to iHateSpam. Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology the Bayesian filters ? It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been mark at mydomainname.ie I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell them that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname or do they just have my email address. Thanks in advance for any comments Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John B." To: "Dba-Tech" ; Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The > are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. > > The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules yet > though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your > deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for > false negatives. > > I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book > into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things I > subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes the > subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. > > They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me > but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it very > high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops > or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of > them or anything (who has the time?) > > HTH > jb > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > HI Rocky, > > I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your PC > > and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express or > > both. It's $19.95. > > > > They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > > > > HTH > > JB > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > > > spam filter. Ironic, no? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Mon Oct 20 16:52:11 2003 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:52:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker References: Message-ID: <00e701c39754$7272d080$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Hello John, Yea I guess I have to face the music and do it, but to be frank, I really, really do not want to have to trawl through my contacts list and inform everyone. But I guess I have to at some stage. 'Cause then I will have to monitor the old address for a year or so, in case someone doesn't change their contacts list, which most will not do I am sure. Hmm. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > Mark, > > AFAIK if you change your email as you mention, and get rid of the other one, > your spam sill drop instantly. I have likewise considered doing that. I > was stupid enough to put my email address in bare form on my web site long > ago. > > :-( > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark L. Breen > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:04 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > Hello John B, > > Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different > to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? > > I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think that > you are referring to iHateSpam. > > Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology > the Bayesian filters ? > > It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. > > One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been > mark at mydomainname.ie > > I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell them > that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my > spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? > > In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname or do > they just have my email address. > > Thanks in advance for any comments > > Mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John B." > To: "Dba-Tech" ; > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The > > are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. > > > > The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules > yet > > though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your > > deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for > > false negatives. > > > > I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book > > into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things > I > > subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes > the > > subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. > > > > They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me > > but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it > very > > high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops > > or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of > > them or anything (who has the time?) > > > > HTH > > jb > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > HI Rocky, > > > I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your > PC > > > and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express > or > > > both. It's $19.95. > > > > > > They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > > > > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > > > > > > HTH > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > > > > spam filter. Ironic, no? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Mon Oct 20 16:58:39 2003 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:58:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker References: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> <3F9454D7.8090303@verizon.net> Message-ID: <012e01c39755$58723580$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Hello Francisco, I just went online to download it, but I noticed that the version is .3 and they are talking about RC's. Are you working on Beta's or have you a newer version, Thanks Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > If anyone is using Outlook express it would be more worth it to move to > Thunderbird as it provides this JunkMail detection natively and is more > secure and is just as fast. Of course you can import your address books > email and settings. > > I dumpped OutlookExpress the moment I learned I could use hotmail popper > to get my hotmail email. Since then I've never looked back. > > http://www.boolean.ca/ > http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/index.html > > Mark L. Breen wrote: > > > Hello John B, > > > > Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different > > to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? > > > > I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think that > > you are referring to iHateSpam. > > > > Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology > > the Bayesian filters ? > > > > It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. > > > > One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been > > mark at mydomainname.ie > > > > I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell them > > that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my > > spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? > > > > In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname or do > > they just have my email address. > > > > Thanks in advance for any comments > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John B." > > To: "Dba-Tech" ; > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > >>The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. The > >>are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. > >> > >>The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules > > > > yet > > > >>though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your > >>deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for > >>false negatives. > >> > >>I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address book > >>into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of things > > > > I > > > >>subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes > > > > the > > > >>subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY low. > >> > >>They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for me > >>but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it > > > > very > > > >>high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that develops > >>or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of > >>them or anything (who has the time?) > >> > >>HTH > >>jb > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > >>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > >>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > >>> > >>> > >>>HI Rocky, > >>>I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your > > > > PC > > > >>>and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express > > > > or > > > >>>both. It's $19.95. > >>> > >>>They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > >>> > >>>http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > >>> > >>>HTH > >>>JB > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > Smolin - > > > >>>>Beach Access Software > >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > >>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Dear List: > >>>> > >>>>It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > >>>>use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > >>>>Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > >>>>whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > >>>>contained in the message and/or heading? > >>>> > >>>>MTIA, > >>>> > >>>>Rocky Smolin > >>>>Beach Access Software > >>>> > >>>>P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > >>>>spam filter. Ironic, no? > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 20 16:59:33 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John B.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:59:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Yes, I am referring to iHateSpam but I have no idea what technology it uses. If you change your email address your Spam will drop enormously. However, it will increase exponentially from there :o) I just didn't have the time to figure out what free alternatives would work. If you have the time I'm sure there are some good ones out there. Unfortunately, many times the free software needs to be paid for if using commercially or other than "at home" and I like to evaluate things I can recommend to my clients. I've started to get some questions from my small business clients on what to do with SPAM lately so I will have to start checking into these free alternatives to see if the have limitations on when they can be used for free. Good luck! John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark L. Breen > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:04 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > Hello John B, > > Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely different > to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? > > I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I > think that > you are referring to iHateSpam. > > Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same technology > the Bayesian filters ? > > It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. > > One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has been > mark at mydomainname.ie > > I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted > and tell them > that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would my > spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? > > In other words, do the bots just send spam to > christianname at domainname or do > they just have my email address. > > Thanks in advance for any comments > > Mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John B." > To: "Dba-Tech" ; > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a > folder. The > > are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. > > > > The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules > yet > > though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your > > deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for > > false negatives. > > > > I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my > address book > > into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains > of things > I > > subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes > the > > subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are > VERY low. > > > > They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works > fine for me > > but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it > very > > high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company > that develops > > or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of > > them or anything (who has the time?) > > > > HTH > > jb > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > HI Rocky, > > > I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your > PC > > > and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express > or > > > both. It's $19.95. > > > > > > They also have a server based version for Exchange users. > > > > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 > > > > > > HTH > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > > > P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their > > > > spam filter. Ironic, no? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 20 17:09:30 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:09:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: References: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <3F94E9BA.8932.38DADF@localhost> On 20 Oct 2003 at 16:59, John B. wrote: > > I just didn't have the time to figure out what free alternatives would work. > If you have the time I'm sure there are some good ones out there. > Unfortunately, many times the free software needs to be paid for if using > commercially or other than "at home" and I like to evaluate things I can > recommend to my clients. I've started to get some questions from my small > business clients on what to do with SPAM lately so I will have to start > checking into these free alternatives to see if the have limitations on when > they can be used for free. > K9 is freeware and as John has also found, does an excellent job. >From www.keir.net: "I've received comments from users of my software expressing interest in offering some kind of payment in recognition of the usefulness and quality of the programs. Whilst all of my software is freeware and there is absolutely no obligation to offer anything in return for its use, if you feel you would like to make a donation in the amount of your choice to inspire me to create new software and enhance current versions then by all means feel free to do so! I have chosen to provide two means to send in donations - the Amazon Honor System and Paypal. You may choose either one, but Amazon is limited to U.S. customers only right now. Please click on an image below to find out more and to send in donations. " -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 20 17:17:47 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:17:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: References: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <3F94EBAB.21645.407024@localhost> On 20 Oct 2003 at 17:39, John Colby wrote: > Mark, > > AFAIK if you change your email as you mention, and get rid of the other one, > your spam sill drop instantly. For a while - until spammers get it on a new list :-( For ways to avoid getting back on spam lists see http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml But note Conclusion 8 :-( -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 17:26:12 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:26:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <012e01c39755$58723580$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> References: <003b01c3974d$bcc8d460$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> <3F9454D7.8090303@verizon.net> <012e01c39755$58723580$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <3F946104.4000704@verizon.net> yes, I forgot to mention that, it is RC, RC 3 is great. I've not experienced bugs with the software and in fact use it day to day for all my email needs. w/ the ability to tell it to choose who you want text only emails, a great spell checker (built-in, non MS). and the ability to add-in security w/ PGP or digitally sign email and the before mentioned built-in JunkMail filters. and as I mentioned before, you no longer have to worry about auto-executing email. Mark L. Breen wrote: > Hello Francisco, > > I just went online to download it, but I noticed that the version is .3 and > they are talking about RC's. > > Are you working on Beta's or have you a newer version, > > Thanks > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco H Tapia" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > >>If anyone is using Outlook express it would be more worth it to move to >>Thunderbird as it provides this JunkMail detection natively and is more >>secure and is just as fast. Of course you can import your address books >>email and settings. >> >>I dumpped OutlookExpress the moment I learned I could use hotmail popper >>to get my hotmail email. Since then I've never looked back. >> >>http://www.boolean.ca/ >>http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/index.html >> >>Mark L. Breen wrote: >> >> >>>Hello John B, >>> >>>Do you believe that this Outlook Express spam tool is completely > > different > >>>to the Outlook one that Mr Colby referred to recently? >>> >>>I think that you are suggesting that it is different. In fact, I think > > that > >>>you are referring to iHateSpam. >>> >>>Would you just confirm that for me, If so, does it use the same > > technology > >>>the Bayesian filters ? >>> >>>It is high time from me to do something about my own spam. >>> >>>One problem I think I created for myself is that my email address has > > been > >>>mark at mydomainname.ie >>> >>>I wonder if I notify all my friends that I have ever contacted and tell > > them > >>>that I am changing my email address to mark.breen at mydomainname.ie would > > my > >>>spam levels instantly drop to almost nothing? >>> >>>In other words, do the bots just send spam to christianname at domainname > > or do > >>>they just have my email address. >>> >>>Thanks in advance for any comments >>> >>>Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "John B." >>>To: "Dba-Tech" ; >>>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:55 PM >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The Outlook product is a COM addin and the SPAM is moved to a folder. > > The > >>>>are numerous option for that as there are with the entire product. >>>> >>>>The Outlook Express uses the rules to do it. You can add your own rules >>> >>>yet >>> >>> >>>>though. The SPAM is placed in the deleted folder. If you don't have your >>>>deleted folder automatically emptied you can still browse through it for >>>>false negatives. >>>> >>>>I set it up so that it never put any email from someone in my address > > book > >>>>into the SPAM folder. I also have it set up so that the domains of > > things > >>>I >>> >>> >>>>subscribe to (like @databaseadvisors.com) cannot be filtered. (Sometimes >>> >>>the >>> >>> >>>>subject matter could be mis-intepreted). My false negatives are VERY > > low. > >>>>They have a free trial download, which is what I did. It works fine for > > me > >>>>but I'm not claiming its the best or anything. Some mags have rated it >>> >>>very >>> >>> >>>>high. It is made by Sunbelt software which is a good company that > > develops > >>>>or finds niche software to sell. I haven't tried a whole slew of them of >>>>them or anything (who has the time?) >>>> >>>>HTH >>>>jb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John B. >>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:57 PM >>>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>HI Rocky, >>>>>I use iHateSpam when you purchase it you get 2 licenses - one for your >>> >>>PC >>> >>> >>>>>and one for your laptop. You can use either Outlook or Outlook Express >>> >>>or >>> >>> >>>>>both. It's $19.95. >>>>> >>>>>They also have a server based version for Exchange users. >>>>> >>>>>http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=930 >>>>> >>>>>HTH >>>>>JB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky >>> >>>Smolin - >>> >>> >>>>>>Beach Access Software >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:57 AM >>>>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dear List: >>>>>> >>>>>>It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all >>>>>>use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block >>>>>>Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on >>>>>>whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are >>>>>>contained in the message and/or heading? >>>>>> >>>>>>MTIA, >>>>>> >>>>>>Rocky Smolin >>>>>>Beach Access Software >>>>>> >>>>>>P.S. I am now being spammed by people who want me to buy their >>>>>>spam filter. Ironic, no? >> >> >> >>-- >>-Francisco -- -Francisco From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 20 18:02:21 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:02:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <3F94E9BA.8932.38DADF@localhost> Message-ID: I highly recommend K9. It is a Bayesian filter and it is a POP mail proxy, meaning it actually loads the email from your email server, works through it looking for Spam, and if found places the text [SPAM] or something similar in the subject. You can then use the rules of your email client to sort that email out to a Spam folder. Since it is a proxy it is usable with many different email clients including Outlook and Outlook Express. I used it for both until I found Spambayes which I now use for Outlook. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker On 20 Oct 2003 at 16:59, John B. wrote: > > I just didn't have the time to figure out what free alternatives would work. > If you have the time I'm sure there are some good ones out there. > Unfortunately, many times the free software needs to be paid for if using > commercially or other than "at home" and I like to evaluate things I can > recommend to my clients. I've started to get some questions from my small > business clients on what to do with SPAM lately so I will have to start > checking into these free alternatives to see if the have limitations on when > they can be used for free. > K9 is freeware and as John has also found, does an excellent job. >From www.keir.net: "I've received comments from users of my software expressing interest in offering some kind of payment in recognition of the usefulness and quality of the programs. Whilst all of my software is freeware and there is absolutely no obligation to offer anything in return for its use, if you feel you would like to make a donation in the amount of your choice to inspire me to create new software and enhance current versions then by all means feel free to do so! I have chosen to provide two means to send in donations - the Amazon Honor System and Paypal. You may choose either one, but Amazon is limited to U.S. customers only right now. Please click on an image below to find out more and to send in donations. " -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 20 18:45:44 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:45:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker In-Reply-To: <3F94EBAB.21645.407024@localhost> Message-ID: and note http://www.wbwip.com/wbw/emailencoder.html Works great. I used it to replace my clear code email address with the encoded one. Now let's see if they are correct about the spam dropping after removing the email addresses from web pages! John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker On 20 Oct 2003 at 17:39, John Colby wrote: > Mark, > > AFAIK if you change your email as you mention, and get rid of the other one, > your spam sill drop instantly. For a while - until spammers get it on a new list :-( For ways to avoid getting back on spam lists see http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml But note Conclusion 8 :-( -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From allcop.pc at t-online.de Tue Oct 21 02:06:59 2003 From: allcop.pc at t-online.de (Bettina Giehr) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:06:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities In-Reply-To: <200307181700.h6IH06Q11458@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi techies, we are having problems with different ZIPs : We receive about 20 ZIPs a day ranging from ZIP 100 to ZIP 250, various manufacturers. We have Iomega and Fuji ZIP drives. The problem is that suddenly a ZIP that has been processed many days without errors is no longer readable. The message that pops up is something like 'ZIP is not formatted, do you want to format Y/N?'. We send the ZIP back to the customer marked as unprocessed and he yells that of course he can read the data, what's happening ? He swears he did not format the ZIP or do any other weird thing. By the way this is happening with many customers, not just one. Does anybody know about incompatibilities or maybe patches or servicepacks or anything that can help ? This is really a big problem for us. TIA Bettina From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Tue Oct 21 03:20:11 2003 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:20:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities References: Message-ID: <000901c397ac$2e620250$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Hello Bettina, The only immediate suggestion is are you cleaning the heads? Is it happening with all the drives or just one Is there a trend that for eg, the ZIP 250's do not tend to like ZIP 100 disks? Is the customer using a different drive to your's? Have you sent your questions along with the above answers to the manufacturers, although I know that they can be slow sometimes. I do not know if this is any help, but it is the line of questioning that you need to be making. Let us know, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettina Giehr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities > Hi techies, > > we are having problems with different ZIPs : We receive about 20 ZIPs a day > ranging from ZIP 100 to ZIP 250, various manufacturers. We have Iomega and > Fuji ZIP drives. The problem is that suddenly a ZIP that has been processed > many days without errors is no longer readable. The message that pops up is > something like 'ZIP is not formatted, do you want to format Y/N?'. We send > the ZIP back to the customer marked as unprocessed and he yells that of > course he can read the data, what's happening ? He swears he did not format > the ZIP or do any other weird thing. By the way this is happening with many > customers, not just one. > Does anybody know about incompatibilities or maybe patches or servicepacks > or anything that can help ? This is really a big problem for us. > TIA > > Bettina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Oct 21 04:16:44 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:16:44 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities Message-ID: This a floppy thing coming back. These kind of incombatibilities can also exist with classic 1.44 Floppies. It can be due to a drive head aligment thats wrong or getting wrong. Typical is that when the disk is formatted and used in the same drive everything works fine. Using this disk in another drive does not work, unless you format it in that drive and it will work in that drive... But if you take it back to the first one it can become unreadable again. You need to pinpoint the drive which is giving you the trouble... This is still even true 12 years ago and today for floppies. Read does often works but as soon as you write one bit, it becomes corrupted... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Mark L. Breen Verzonden: dinsdag 21 oktober 2003 10:20 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities Hello Bettina, The only immediate suggestion is are you cleaning the heads? Is it happening with all the drives or just one Is there a trend that for eg, the ZIP 250's do not tend to like ZIP 100 disks? Is the customer using a different drive to your's? Have you sent your questions along with the above answers to the manufacturers, although I know that they can be slow sometimes. I do not know if this is any help, but it is the line of questioning that you need to be making. Let us know, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettina Giehr" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities > Hi techies, > > we are having problems with different ZIPs : We receive about 20 ZIPs > a day > ranging from ZIP 100 to ZIP 250, various manufacturers. We have Iomega > and Fuji ZIP drives. The problem is that suddenly a ZIP that has been processed > many days without errors is no longer readable. The message that pops > up is > something like 'ZIP is not formatted, do you want to format Y/N?'. We > send the ZIP back to the customer marked as unprocessed and he yells > that of course he can read the data, what's happening ? He swears he > did not format > the ZIP or do any other weird thing. By the way this is happening with many > customers, not just one. > Does anybody know about incompatibilities or maybe patches or > servicepacks or anything that can help ? This is really a big problem > for us. TIA > > Bettina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Tue Oct 21 05:06:54 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:06:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE7055C9BC3@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Here's a bit of cunning Javascript that I picked up somewhere: ------------------ ------------------ If you change 'user', 'site1', and 'site2' to suit your own requirements, drop this into your html, it will work like a normal tag (assuming user has Javascript enabled) but cannot be understood (probably) by spambots! To see this in action, have a look at http://www.garyfoot.com/8-contact/index8.htm Regards! Chris Foote > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:40 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker > > > Mark, > > AFAIK if you change your email as you mention, and get rid of > the other one, > your spam sill drop instantly. I have likewise considered > doing that. I > was stupid enough to put my email address in bare form on my > web site long > ago. > > :-( > > John W. Colby From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Oct 21 07:34:47 2003 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:34:47 EDT Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities Message-ID: Doesn't answer your question, but can you set up an ftp server and have them upload the files rather than submit data via the zips? Donna In a message dated 10/21/2003 3:04:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, allcop.pc at t-online.de writes: > We send > the ZIP back to the customer marked as unprocessed and he yells that of > course he can read the data, what's happening ? He swears he did not format > the ZIP or do any other weird thing. By the way this is happening with many > customers, not just one. > Does anybody know about incompatibilities or maybe patches or servicepacks > or anything that can help ? This is really a big problem for us. > TIA > > Bettina > From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Oct 21 07:57:21 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:57:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ZIP drive incompatibilities References: Message-ID: <00d201c397d2$e29cf790$680dd018@W2k> Bettina, I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but Steve Gibson has some interesting things to say about -- and a utility for -- Zip drives at: http://grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Bureaucrats count the day as wasted in which they have not, in the name of adherence to rules, blighted a life." - Jerry Pournelle From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Oct 21 09:23:43 2003 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:23:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] OT - Spam Blocker Message-ID: Rocky, Maybe Outlook 2003 is your answer, see http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4520-7297_16-5093279.html Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > It's time to get a Spam Filter I guess (sigh). What do you all > > > use and do they really save more time than outlook's "Block > > > Sender" and mail rules to route mail to a spam folder based on > > > whether or not he words Viagra, debt, breast or penis are > > > contained in the message and/or heading? > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Oct 21 09:32:08 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:32:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas References: Message-ID: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Anyone have any ideas re the following? I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but I have used a P733 with the same results. When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably well spread across 60 seconds. On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to authenticate. When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be lost. That can be seen from the input files. During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. The difference is the number of active network connections. As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably the former. I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 21 09:47:02 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:47:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas In-Reply-To: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> References: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <7229479719.20031021164702@cactus.dk> Hi Martin You could let the single PC read the line it has written. If it is not found, write it again. Limit this to, say, ten times. I would let each PC write a file, then on the minute concatenate these files into a single file. /gustav > Date: 2003-10-21 16:32 > Anyone have any ideas re the following? > I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per > minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, > date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but > I have used a P733 with the same results. > When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the > central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same > second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by > chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably > well spread across 60 seconds. > On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input > file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent > to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to > authenticate. > When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there > is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be > lost. That can be seen from the input files. > During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with > the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none > would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when > multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. > The difference is the number of active network connections. > As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have > monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being > lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably > the former. > I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this > asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 21 09:49:09 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:49:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas In-Reply-To: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: Uhhh... use a database? ;-) John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas Anyone have any ideas re the following? I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but I have used a P733 with the same results. When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably well spread across 60 seconds. On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to authenticate. When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be lost. That can be seen from the input files. During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. The difference is the number of active network connections. As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably the former. I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Oct 21 09:52:08 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas Message-ID: LOL...I thought I was the only one allowed to be "Captain Obvious":( Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Any ideas Uhhh... use a database? ;-) John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas Anyone have any ideas re the following? I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but I have used a P733 with the same results. When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably well spread across 60 seconds. On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to authenticate. When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be lost. That can be seen from the input files. During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. The difference is the number of active network connections. As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably the former. I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Oct 21 10:23:11 2003 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:23:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas References: Message-ID: <002b01c397e7$3ce2ec50$9111758f@aine> LOL The "I" in this case isnt me. Its our head of IT services. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Any ideas > LOL...I thought I was the only one allowed to be "Captain Obvious":( > > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:49 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Any ideas > > > Uhhh... use a database? ;-) > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:32 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas > > > Anyone have any ideas re the following? > > I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per > minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, > date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but I > have used a P733 with the same results. > > When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the > central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same second > each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by chance, > basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably well spread > across 60 seconds. > > On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input file, > thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent to it. The > central file is held on a share to which each PC has to authenticate. > > When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there is a > threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be lost. That > can be seen from the input files. > > During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with the > server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none would be > lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when multiple PCs send > in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. The difference is the > number of active network connections. > > As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have monitored > this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being lost through > the networking code/file system combination, and probably the former. > > I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this > asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Oct 21 11:20:01 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:20:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas In-Reply-To: <002b01c397e7$3ce2ec50$9111758f@aine> References: <002b01c397e7$3ce2ec50$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <3F955CB1.6080901@verizon.net> Martin, I will concur, a database would be the ideal solution, preferably a record locking mdb (2000 or up) or MSDE, or if SQL Server is available then that. The problem I'm afraid does arise from multiple pc's writing at the same time, This problem would not be so problematic if each pc wrote to a *new* file either. Martin Reid wrote: > LOL > > The "I" in this case isnt me. Its our head of IT services. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitsules, Mark" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:52 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Any ideas > > > >>LOL...I thought I was the only one allowed to be "Captain Obvious":( >> >> >> >>Mark >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:49 AM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Any ideas >> >> >>Uhhh... use a database? ;-) >> >>John W. Colby >>www.colbyconsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid >>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:32 AM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas >> >> >>Anyone have any ideas re the following? >> >>I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per >>minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, >>date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but I >>have used a P733 with the same results. >> >>When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the >>central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same > > second > >>each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by chance, >>basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably well spread >>across 60 seconds. >> >>On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input file, >>thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent to it. > > The > >>central file is held on a share to which each PC has to authenticate. >> >>When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there is > > a > >>threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be lost. > > That > >>can be seen from the input files. >> >>During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with the >>server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none would be >>lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when multiple PCs > > send > >>in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. The difference is > > the > >>number of active network connections. >> >>As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have monitored >>this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being lost > > through > >>the networking code/file system combination, and probably the former. >> >>I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this >>asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. -- -Francisco From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Oct 21 13:21:16 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:21:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas References: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <3F95791C.7050406@shaw.ca> Are you writing to a sequential file with an append? How about writing 1 record to a random file. The disadvantage to a sequential file is that it must always be read from the beginning every time you read or append to it. There is probably a threshold for this method too. You could also check, your sequential method is using For Append Shared rather than Output Open "G:\ReportLog.txt" For Append Shared As #1 Some sample code for random access. Private Type MyPasswordData password as string * 15 description as string * 30 location as string * 30 expiry as date End Type Dim MPD as MyPasswordData Private Sub Command3_Click() 'WRITE A RANDOM ACCESS RECORD TO DISK Dim fileNo As Integer Dim totalRecords As Integer Dim newRecordNo As Integer Dim sfileName As String 'retrieve the typed-in values, this time 'assigning them to the appropriate 'MyPasswordData member (MPD) MPD.password = txtPassword MPD.description = txtDescription MPD.location = txtLocation MPD.expiry = CDate(txtExpiry) sfileName = "d:\password.dat" 'get the next free file handle fileNo = FreeFile 'save to disk using Random Access Write Open sfileName For Random Access Write As #fileNo Len = Len(MPD) 'determine how many records exist 'in the file right now, so none are overwritten totalRecords = LOF(fileNo) \ Len(MPD) 'the new record will be total records + 1 newRecordNo = totalRecords + 1 Put #fileNo, newRecordNo, MPD Close #fileNo End Sub Private Sub Command4_Click() 'READ A RANDOM ACCESS RECORD FROM DISK Dim fileNo As Integer Dim recordToGet As Integer Dim sfileName As String sfileName = "d:\password.dat" 'get the next free file handle fileNo = FreeFile 'read the first record from disk Open sfileName For Random Access Read As #fileNo Len = Len(MPD) recordToGet = 1 'load the record indicated by recordToGet 'into the MPD data Get #fileNo, recordToGet, MPD Close #fileNo 'show the retrieved values txtPassword = MPD.password txtDescription = MPD.description txtLocation = MPD.location txtExpiry = Format$(MPD.expiry, "general date") End Sub Private Sub Command5_Click() 'READ ALL RECORDS FROM DISK INTO A COMBO Dim fileNo As Integer Dim recordToGet As Integer Dim totalRecords As Integer Dim sfileName As String sfileName = "d:\password.dat" 'get the next free file handle fileNo = FreeFile 'read the first record from disk '(all on 1 line!) Open sfileName For Random Access Read As #fileNo Len = Len(MPD) 'determine how many records exist 'in the file totalRecords = LOF(fileNo) \ Len(MPD) 'if none, abort If totalRecords > 0 Then 'there must be some, so get them all Do 'set the record number to retrieve 'and Get the record recordToGet = recordToGet + 1 Get #fileNo, recordToGet, MPD 'add the description to the combo 'and in the combo items ItemData 'property, save the record number 'of the item retrieved for use later Combo1.AddItem MPD.description Combo1.ItemData(Combo1.NewIndex) = recordToGet Loop While recordToGet < totalRecords End If Close #fileNo End Sub Private Sub Combo1_Click() 'READ THE SELECTED RANDOM ACCESS RECORD FROM DISK Dim recordToGet As Integer Dim fileNo As Integer Dim sfileName As String sfileName = "d:\password.dat" 'bail out if nothing is selected If Combo1.ListIndex > -1 Then 'retrieve the record associated with 'the description from the info stored 'in the ItemData property recordToGet = Combo1.ItemData(Combo1.ListIndex) 'bail out if its 0 - an error If recordToGet > 0 Then 'get the next free file handle fileNo = FreeFile 'read the specified record from disk Open sfileName For Random Access Read As #fileNo Len = Len(MPD) Get #fileNo, recordToGet, MPD Close #fileNo 'display the data for the record txtPassword = MPD.password txtDescription = MPD.description txtLocation = MPD.location txtExpiry = Format$(MPD.expiry, "general date") End If End If End Sub Martin Reid wrote: >Anyone have any ideas re the following? > >I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per >minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, >date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but >I have used a P733 with the same results. > >When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the >central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same >second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by >chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably >well spread across 60 seconds. > >On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input >file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent >to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to >authenticate. > >When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there >is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be >lost. That can be seen from the input files. > >During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with >the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none >would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when >multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. >The difference is the number of active network connections. > >As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have >monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being >lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably >the former. > >I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this >asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Oct 21 14:05:18 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:05:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas References: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <009201c39806$44eb8fa0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Why not use an Access .mdb? Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas > Anyone have any ideas re the following? > > I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per > minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, > date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but > I have used a P733 with the same results. > > When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the > central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same > second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by > chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably > well spread across 60 seconds. > > On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input > file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent > to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to > authenticate. > > When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there > is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be > lost. That can be seen from the input files. > > During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with > the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none > would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when > multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. > The difference is the number of active network connections. > > As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have > monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being > lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably > the former. > > I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this > asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 21 16:42:53 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:42:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Any ideas In-Reply-To: <001d01c397e0$1b2d54d0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <3F9634FD.21403.D6670@localhost> I know we don't use ithem very often these days, but there are still such things as Random Access files :-) OPEN "myfile" FOR RANDOM SHARED AS #1 LEN = xxx where xxx = the max length ot the line you will be writing Then have each PC write to a different record number On 21 Oct 2003 at 15:32, Martin Reid wrote: > Anyone have any ideas re the following? > > I have a system whereby each PC in the SCCs sends in one short line per > minute to a central server. Each line is of the form IP address, time, > date[, user id]. The central server is only a P450 with 256Mb memory but > I have used a P733 with the same results. > > When a user logs in to a PC, it writes a line to the same file on the > central server as all the other used PCs. Each PC writes at the same > second each minute, but the PCs determine their second to write by > chance, basically. Thus the incoming data for the file is reasonably > well spread across 60 seconds. > > On the minute, the software on the central server renames the input > file, thereby causing a new one to be created with the next record sent > to it. The central file is held on a share to which each PC has to > authenticate. > > When enough PCs are active, and I have not been able to deduce if there > is a threshold figure for that number, some or most of a record may be > lost. That can be seen from the input files. > > During stress tests, when my PC was the only system communicating with > the server, My PC could send in about 630 lines per minute and none > would be lost. And this over a period of say an hour. However, when > multiple PCs send in lines, the data loss may arise with 50 PCs active. > The difference is the number of active network connections. > > As I don't believe the data is being lost on the network (I have > monitored this and have not seen losses so far), it is most likely being > lost through the networking code/file system combination, and probably > the former. > > I was wondering if anyone had a better method for collecting this > asynchronous auditing information, one which did not lose data. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Oct 21 16:55:25 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:55:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings Message-ID: <001601c3981e$0d3231a0$680dd018@W2k> Dear Group, I've lost about 3 1/2 days of e-mail and a number of settings have been reverted back to what they were last Friday on my Win 2000 Pro workstation. For example, there's a gap in the messages I've received from the OT forum. The messages end at 7:55 pm Friday and start up at 12:39 pm today. I'm missing all the messages between those two dates. I changed my signature yesterday to a quote from Jerry Pournelle. But now the default signature is back to what it was last week...and the new signature isn't included on the list of signatures any more under Options in Outlook Express. It's just gone. I installed Office XP Developer either Thursday or Friday last week including the voice-activated features. So when I opened Word, Outlook Express, or IE the MS voice activated toolbar thingie would pop up on screen. That's gone, too. Some of my ZoneAlarm settings seem to have been forgotten. My suspicion is this: before I installed the Office XP Developer suite late last week I made a backup of the registry. It looks to me as if something has re-activated that backup registry. But why would I be missing all of those e-mail messages? It isn't just OT messages, it's everything in that 3 1/2 day period. And if the registry was somehow restored to what it was, then why do I still see the XP applications on the Start | Programs menu? Any idea of what might have happened to me? Regards... `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 From garykjos at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 22:32:42 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:32:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings Message-ID: The Start menu is like a directory list of shortcuts in that folder isn't it? I don't tihink it's a registry thing. Can't explain the e-mail situation though. Do you maybe have another mail file lurking someplace? Were you signed on as a different user at any time? Doesn't it store a lot of those settings on a per user basis? Mail too. I'd do a file search for any files modified or created since last week and see if something is hiding in another folder someplace - be sure to search hidden folders too. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Steven W. Erbach" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: >Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:55:25 -0500 > >Dear Group, > >I've lost about 3 1/2 days of e-mail and a number of settings have been >reverted back to what they were last Friday on my Win 2000 Pro workstation. >For example, there's a gap in the messages I've received from the OT forum. >The messages end at 7:55 pm Friday and start up at 12:39 pm today. I'm >missing all the messages between those two dates. > >I changed my signature yesterday to a quote from Jerry Pournelle. But now >the default signature is back to what it was last week...and the new >signature isn't included on the list of signatures any more under Options >in >Outlook Express. It's just gone. > >I installed Office XP Developer either Thursday or Friday last week >including the voice-activated features. So when I opened Word, Outlook >Express, or IE the MS voice activated toolbar thingie would pop up on >screen. That's gone, too. > >Some of my ZoneAlarm settings seem to have been forgotten. > >My suspicion is this: before I installed the Office XP Developer suite late >last week I made a backup of the registry. It looks to me as if something >has re-activated that backup registry. > >But why would I be missing all of those e-mail messages? It isn't just OT >messages, it's everything in that 3 1/2 day period. And if the registry was >somehow restored to what it was, then why do I still see the XP >applications >on the Start | Programs menu? > >Any idea of what might have happened to me? > >Regards... > `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Oct 21 22:44:56 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:44:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings References: <001601c3981e$0d3231a0$680dd018@W2k> Message-ID: <000401c3984e$ddebe040$680dd018@W2k> Dear Group, I think I found the trouble...but I can't figure out why it happened. First I went to the folder where the Outlook Express .dbx files are stored in Windows 2000. I saw that the most recent changes were made at 12:33 pm today. That was the last time I sent a message before I shut the system down and left for a client's site. When I came back around 5:00 pm is when I noticed that all the messages from the last 3 1/2 days were gone. I then figured that, since the modified dates for my .dbx files weren't changing when I sent and received new messages, a different set of .dbx files were being used. Sure enough I found in the Maintenance tab of the Options dialog box a button to change the "Store Folder". There I saw that the .dbx files on drive D: were being used instead of those on drive C:. I use Norton Ghost as a backup system and clone everything from C: to D: on a regular basis. The last time I did it was late Friday, just before I installed Office XP. I changed the location of the Store Folder and there were all my messages from the last 3 1/2 days. Now, how did that Store Folder setting get changed in the first place, that's what I wanna know. Any ideas? Regards... `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Oct 21 22:46:16 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:46:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings References: Message-ID: <000701c3984f$0deb2b20$680dd018@W2k> Gary, Thanks for your reply. Your guess about a different folder turned out to be correct. However, I can't figure out why Outlook Express 6 decided to change the location on me between 12:33 and 5:00 today. Regards... `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Oct 21 23:16:19 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:16:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, in Windows 2000 it's in Documents And Settings. Each user has a 'profile'. Of course, you can having 'roaming' profiles, where the profile is stored on the network. The profile is a little more then just the folders in there, it also has it's own registry. There is a Current User registry key, that contains all of the registry settings specific for that user. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:33 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings The Start menu is like a directory list of shortcuts in that folder isn't it? I don't tihink it's a registry thing. Can't explain the e-mail situation though. Do you maybe have another mail file lurking someplace? Were you signed on as a different user at any time? Doesn't it store a lot of those settings on a per user basis? Mail too. I'd do a file search for any files modified or created since last week and see if something is hiding in another folder someplace - be sure to search hidden folders too. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Steven W. Erbach" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: >Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:55:25 -0500 > >Dear Group, > >I've lost about 3 1/2 days of e-mail and a number of settings have been >reverted back to what they were last Friday on my Win 2000 Pro workstation. >For example, there's a gap in the messages I've received from the OT forum. >The messages end at 7:55 pm Friday and start up at 12:39 pm today. I'm >missing all the messages between those two dates. > >I changed my signature yesterday to a quote from Jerry Pournelle. But now >the default signature is back to what it was last week...and the new >signature isn't included on the list of signatures any more under Options >in >Outlook Express. It's just gone. > >I installed Office XP Developer either Thursday or Friday last week >including the voice-activated features. So when I opened Word, Outlook >Express, or IE the MS voice activated toolbar thingie would pop up on >screen. That's gone, too. > >Some of my ZoneAlarm settings seem to have been forgotten. > >My suspicion is this: before I installed the Office XP Developer suite late >last week I made a backup of the registry. It looks to me as if something >has re-activated that backup registry. > >But why would I be missing all of those e-mail messages? It isn't just OT >messages, it's everything in that 3 1/2 day period. And if the registry was >somehow restored to what it was, then why do I still see the XP >applications >on the Start | Programs menu? > >Any idea of what might have happened to me? > >Regards... > `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Oct 21 23:17:24 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:17:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings In-Reply-To: <000401c3984e$ddebe040$680dd018@W2k> Message-ID: You didn't accidentally log in as a different user, did you? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings Dear Group, I think I found the trouble...but I can't figure out why it happened. First I went to the folder where the Outlook Express .dbx files are stored in Windows 2000. I saw that the most recent changes were made at 12:33 pm today. That was the last time I sent a message before I shut the system down and left for a client's site. When I came back around 5:00 pm is when I noticed that all the messages from the last 3 1/2 days were gone. I then figured that, since the modified dates for my .dbx files weren't changing when I sent and received new messages, a different set of .dbx files were being used. Sure enough I found in the Maintenance tab of the Options dialog box a button to change the "Store Folder". There I saw that the .dbx files on drive D: were being used instead of those on drive C:. I use Norton Ghost as a backup system and clone everything from C: to D: on a regular basis. The last time I did it was late Friday, just before I installed Office XP. I changed the location of the Store Folder and there were all my messages from the last 3 1/2 days. Now, how did that Store Folder setting get changed in the first place, that's what I wanna know. Any ideas? Regards... `?.??.???`?.??.???`?-> Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:15:59 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:15:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings Message-ID: Glad to hear you found the missing stuff. It will maybe have to happen again a time or two before you come up with an answer for why or how. ;-) Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Oct 22 15:34:55 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:34:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WebTrends Report Message-ID: I have a rather unique situation. I would like to track the use of an ".hta" that I have created. For those not familiar with .hta, they are "HTML Applications"...a plain text file that is interpreted by the web browser and run like a program. They are stand alone files and are either "Opened" (ran) or "Saved" (for later use). I would like to track how often this file is accessed. Our IT people use WebTrends reports, but that seems to track only regular web pages or file downloads. Normal usage is to "open"...not save for later use, therefore, thankfully, no one has downloaded this .hta enough to rank among the top downloads. Can anyone think of an approach which can track how many times this .hta is ran from the server? Mark From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Oct 22 17:09:39 2003 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:09:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Lost messages and settings References: Message-ID: <002f01c398e9$7c1e7a80$680dd018@W2k> Drew, No, I didn't log in as a different user, though your explanation of the "roaming" profile got me wondering whether the registry has "roamed," too, to the copy on drive D:. When I logged in yesterday and found that my OE messages were missing, I put in my normal Novell password (which is the same as my Windows 2000 password). But then the little dialog appeared asking for the Windows password for the Administrator user. On Friday when I ran Norton Ghost to clone the C: drive I had to log in as Aministrator because my normal login is set to Power User. Thus I cloned the drive before I installed Office XP Developer. I've seen roaming profiles in action at a couple of my client sites...but can this happen on a workstation? That is, the registry is normally on drive C:, but since OE decided to look at the .dbx files on drive D:, I wonder if the registry location was changed, too. Hmmm. How could that happen? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "Bureaucrats count the day as wasted in which they have not, in the name of adherence to rules, blighted a life." - Jerry Pournelle From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Oct 22 17:10:43 2003 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:10:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WebTrends Report Message-ID: Never mind. I figured out a way. Thank you anyway. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:35 PM To: '[dba-Tech]' Subject: [dba-Tech] WebTrends Report I have a rather unique situation. I would like to track the use of an ".hta" that I have created. For those not familiar with .hta, they are "HTML Applications"...a plain text file that is interpreted by the web browser and run like a program. They are stand alone files and are either "Opened" (ran) or "Saved" (for later use). I would like to track how often this file is accessed. Our IT people use WebTrends reports, but that seems to track only regular web pages or file downloads. Normal usage is to "open"...not save for later use, therefore, thankfully, no one has downloaded this .hta enough to rank among the top downloads. Can anyone think of an approach which can track how many times this .hta is ran from the server? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From allcop.pc at t-online.de Thu Oct 23 01:06:25 2003 From: allcop.pc at t-online.de (Bettina Giehr) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:06:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: ZIP drive incompatibilities In-Reply-To: <200310211432.h9LEWn615618@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who responded. We are buying the tool mentioned on Steve Gibson's website, so at least we can find out if our drives are involved in writing bad ZIPs. Have a nice day Bettina From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 23 07:16:48 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:16:48 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] PageMaker im-/export Message-ID: <11819963616.20031023141648@cactus.dk> Hi all Anyone having experience with this subject? A client wish to read data from Access into PM, modify and export back. Text only. PM is an old boy and doesn't know anything about XML but can read and write rtf files which you can populate with tags or marks to identify "records" but I find it very clumsy. PM7 has a "data merge" facility for importing CSV files but it is seems to be close to useless: http://www.macworld.com/2001/11/reviews/pagemaker7/ Any ideas? /gustav From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Thu Oct 23 09:11:47 2003 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:47 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856> Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists was well prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of the announcement, the change went unnoticed. This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful preparation and documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. Thank you very much for this great work. Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA Donna Cook, VP DBA From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Oct 23 09:14:19 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:14:19 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71BD@stekelbes.ithelps.local> You're the best Bryan... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Lembit Soobik Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2003 16:12 Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Board Of Directors of DBA; DBA Executive Team; ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists was well prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of the announcement, the change went unnoticed. This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful preparation and documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. Thank you very much for this great work. Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA Donna Cook, VP DBA _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Thu Oct 23 09:17:19 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:17:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE60@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Hear, hear! Chris F > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > > > You're the best Bryan... > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Lembit Soobik > Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2003 16:12 > Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; Board Of Directors of DBA; DBA Executive > Team; ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; > dba-owners at databaseadvisors.com > Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > > > Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of > our lists to From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Thu Oct 23 17:48:59 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:48:59 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... Message-ID: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples from Infragistics?: http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx to see how good/bad they look&feel... TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 18:04:08 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:04:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F985E68.9040501@verizon.net> Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may be having the same problem, or offer a solution :) Charlotte Foust wrote: > Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing > emails? I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" > type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type. I > only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in > the office that's getting them. Am I the only sufferer? > > Charlotte Foust > _______________________________________________ -- -Francisco From garykjos at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 18:58:04 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:58:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] Virus mail Message-ID: NO- me either - Hotmail could be filtering though or tossing it into Junk and I delete from there????haven't had any notifications from anyplace though.... Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Francisco H Tapia >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: Access Developers discussion and problem >solving, >Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] Virus mail >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:04:08 -0700 > >Nope, never did... I'm ccing the dba-Tech list in case anyone else may be >having the same problem, or offer a solution > >:) > >Charlotte Foust wrote: > >>Is anyone else on the list still getting pounded with virus-bearing >>emails? I'm getting at least 50 per DAY, both the "Security Update" >>type and the SWEN-bearing "your email could not be delivered" type. I >>only get them at work (my address for this list) and I'm the only one in >>the office that's getting them. Am I the only sufferer? >> >>Charlotte Foust >>_______________________________________________ > > >-- >-Francisco > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 23 20:14:35 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:14:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes In-Reply-To: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE60@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F9844BB.20178.115A5E8@localhost> On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:17, Foote, Chris wrote: > Hear, hear! > > Chris F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > > You're the best Bryan... Thanks. You guys can give someone an ego -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 24 03:13:32 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:13:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... In-Reply-To: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil For what it worth, the first link doesn't even display in the Opera 7 browser on Win2000. /gustav > Date: 2003-10-24 00:48 > Hi All, > If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > from Infragistics?: > http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > to see how good/bad they look&feel... > TIA, > Shamil > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From DBCfour at aol.com Fri Oct 24 04:09:47 2003 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:09:47 EDT Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... Message-ID: <1ed.11fa2676.2cca465b@aol.com> The first link doesn't show in Off By One either. Donna In a message dated 10/24/2003 4:18:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gustav at cactus.dk writes: > Hi Shamil > > For what it worth, the first link doesn't even display in the Opera 7 > browser on Win2000. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-24 00:48 > > > Hi All, > > > If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > > and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > > from Infragistics?: > > > http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > > http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > > > to see how good/bad they look&feel... > > > TIA, > > Shamil > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Oct 24 09:37:58 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:37:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <3F993946.9060500@shaw.ca> Looks generally okay in Netscape 7.0 On New Expense Screen . There is a line across the screen through the combo boxes and the font identifying the user, is washed out. Font size changes okay in OverView of documentation Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Hi All, > >If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes >and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples >from Infragistics?: > >http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx >http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > >to see how good/bad they look&feel... > >TIA, >Shamil > >-- >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 24 11:09:08 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:09:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... References: <1ed.11fa2676.2cca465b@aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c39a4a$678d5980$b501010a@PARIS> Donna, I downloaded and installed "Off By One" browser. It's incredibly fast! Unfortunately it doesn't support full HTML 4 and it doesn't support Javascript, which is widely used in Infragistics ASP.NET controls when generating HTML: <<< An invalid browser has been detected We were unable to complete your request. The version of your browser does not appear to be compatable with this application. While the Infragistics Net Advantage Suite support both up and down level browsers this applications demostrated features of ASP.Net that are only available with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 and higher or Netscape Navigator 7.0 or higher. >>> Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... > > The first link doesn't show in Off By One either. > > Donna > > In a message dated 10/24/2003 4:18:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gustav at cactus.dk writes: > > > > Hi Shamil > > > > For what it worth, the first link doesn't even display in the Opera 7 > > browser on Win2000. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2003-10-24 00:48 > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > > > and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > > > from Infragistics?: > > > > > http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > > > http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > > > > > to see how good/bad they look&feel... > > > > > TIA, > > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 24 10:47:58 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:47:58 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <004301c39a4a$675e0c20$b501010a@PARIS> Thanks, Gustav! Could you please check this URL: http://devcenter.infragistics.com/productsamples/webgrid/hierarchicalgrid/webform1.aspx TIA, Shamil P.S. I'm not working for Infragistics and the referred URLs aren't my work - I'm looking for the way to represent hierarchical DataSets in ASP.NET apps and Infragistics' software seems to be the best candidate but I still to check how good/bad their ASP.NET controls can be viewed in different browsers and in different OSes... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... > Hi Shamil > > For what it worth, the first link doesn't even display in the Opera 7 > browser on Win2000. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-24 00:48 > > > Hi All, > > > If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > > and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > > from Infragistics?: > > > http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > > http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > > > to see how good/bad they look&feel... > > > TIA, > > Shamil > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 24 11:17:49 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:17:49 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <3F993946.9060500@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004501c39a4a$67b21f90$b501010a@PARIS> Thanks for your testing, Marty! Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... > Looks generally okay in Netscape 7.0 > On New Expense Screen . There is a line across the screen through the > combo boxes and the font identifying the user, is washed out. Font size > changes okay in OverView of documentation > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > >and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > >from Infragistics?: > > > >http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > >http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > > > >to see how good/bad they look&feel... > > > >TIA, > >Shamil > > > >-- > >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 24 11:27:05 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:27:05 +0400 Subject: Opera 7 & IE 6 Was: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <004f01c39a4b$aaf31d30$b501010a@PARIS> Gustav, I downloaded Opera 7 installation (with Java). I haven't yet installed it - is its installation with Java safe for IE6.x? - I mean do you know what Java support they install? - it may happen IE 6.x uses extended(?) Java VM from MS and if Opera 7 replaces it with something else (standard Java VM) it may result in IE6.x operating improperly. Should I install Opera 7 without Java (and then it uses already installed Java VM)? TIA for any clarifications, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... > Hi Shamil > > For what it worth, the first link doesn't even display in the Opera 7 > browser on Win2000. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-24 00:48 > > > Hi All, > > > If anybody here uses not IE5.x and above browsers and not MS Windows OSes > > and not PCs (Mac, PDAs...) could you please browse the following samples > > from Infragistics?: > > > http://www.infragistics.com/expense/Default.aspx > > http://devcenter.infragistics.com/ProductSamples/OnlineSamples.Aspx > > > to see how good/bad they look&feel... > > > TIA, > > Shamil > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 24 11:45:43 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:45:43 +0200 Subject: Opera 7 & IE 6 Was: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples on not MS Software.... In-Reply-To: <004f01c39a4b$aaf31d30$b501010a@PARIS> References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> <004f01c39a4b$aaf31d30$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <7634810965.20031024184543@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil I don't know as I don't use IE that much and stick to version 5.5. This and Opera 7 and my old Netscape 4.79 live happily side by side. But you could install Opera without Java and test that. As far as I know there's nothing special about the Java installation accompanying Opera. This is my version information: Version 7.20 Build 3144 Platform Win32 System Windows 2000 Java Sun Java Runtime Environment version 1.2 /gustav > Date: 2003-10-24 18:27 > Gustav, > I downloaded Opera 7 installation (with Java). > I haven't yet installed it - is its installation with Java safe for IE6.x? - > I mean do you know what Java support they install? - it may happen IE 6.x > uses extended(?) Java VM from MS and if Opera 7 replaces it with something > else (standard Java VM) it may result in IE6.x operating improperly. Should > I install Opera 7 without Java (and then it uses already installed Java VM)? From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 24 12:04:14 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers Message-ID: Hi all, Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am looking for a free one for my clients. John From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 24 12:22:07 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:22:07 +0400 Subject: Opera 7 & IE 6 Was: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples onnot MS Software.... References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> <004f01c39a4b$aaf31d30$b501010a@PARIS> <7634810965.20031024184543@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001f01c39a53$5c7d8980$b501010a@PARIS> Gustav, JFYI: I downloaded and installed Opera 7.21 (without Java) - it works well and doesn't break IE6.x functioning. But Infragistics' software doesn't work with Opera 7.21 :( Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Opera 7 & IE 6 Was: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples onnot MS Software.... > Hi Shamil > > I don't know as I don't use IE that much and stick to version 5.5. > This and Opera 7 and my old Netscape 4.79 live happily side by side. > > But you could install Opera without Java and test that. As far as I > know there's nothing special about the Java installation accompanying > Opera. > > This is my version information: > > Version 7.20 > Build 3144 > Platform Win32 > System Windows 2000 > Java Sun Java Runtime Environment version 1.2 > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2003-10-24 18:27 > > > Gustav, > > > I downloaded Opera 7 installation (with Java). > > I haven't yet installed it - is its installation with Java safe for IE6.x? - > > I mean do you know what Java support they install? - it may happen IE 6.x > > uses extended(?) Java VM from MS and if Opera 7 replaces it with something > > else (standard Java VM) it may result in IE6.x operating improperly. Should > > I install Opera 7 without Java (and then it uses already installed Java VM)? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 24 12:27:31 2003 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:27:31 +0200 Subject: Opera 7 & IE 6 Was: Re: [dba-Tech] View Infragistics samples onnot MS Software.... In-Reply-To: <001f01c39a53$5c7d8980$b501010a@PARIS> References: <003201c399b8$89404a70$b501010a@PARIS> <1024079345.20031024101332@cactus.dk> <004f01c39a4b$aaf31d30$b501010a@PARIS> <7634810965.20031024184543@cactus.dk> <001f01c39a53$5c7d8980$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <15237318290.20031024192731@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil OK. Looks like Infragistics is pretty IE centric ... /gustav > Date: 2003-10-24 19:22 > Gustav, > JFYI: I downloaded and installed Opera 7.21 (without Java) - it works well > and doesn't break IE6.x functioning. > But Infragistics' software doesn't work with Opera 7.21 :( > Shamil From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 12:59:23 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:59:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F99687B.2010202@verizon.net> It depends on the firewall. I've used ZoneAlarm and TPF before it was bought out and renamed as keiro. I currently have been using Sygate Personal Firewall. It is rarely mentioned in many reviews and I'd say it's the unsung hero. It of course is FREE for personal use and also provide a PRO version for 40 bucks IIRC. In my experiance, Sygate has consumed less resources and been more effective than the common firewalls everyone else hears about, ZoneAlarm, Symantec, McAfee, Kiero, Outpost (firewall not Fry's the store). John Bartow wrote: > > The only downside to using a software firewall is the memory use and it > usually make startups a little slower. > -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 13:01:55 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:01:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F996913.9010900@verizon.net> because of .net project IIS needed to be installed on my PC, and I immediately installed Sygate Personal Firewall, a 5 user license will cost your company 110 bucks and it's worth every penny. How many people are at your company that they won't justify buying a firewall? Charlotte Foust wrote: > I've never gotten a virus at home. My DSL provider does a good job. > It's my office where I'm having problems and no, we don't have a > firewall in spite of my loud protests. > > Charlotte Foust -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 13:08:39 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:08:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F996AA7.3080507@verizon.net> Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system there. Reuben Cummings wrote: > I've been reading this thread and cannot belive the trouble everyone faces. > I have 6 PC's behind a Linksys DSL router and have NEVER received a popup or > anything. In two years I would bet that Norton has caught maybe 10 virus > infected emails total for all 6 machines. > -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 13:11:18 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:11:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re:Virus mail In-Reply-To: <00a301c39a46$0a44dfe0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> References: <00a301c39a46$0a44dfe0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <3F996B46.6030208@verizon.net> Because it causes an administration overhead that users will need to pay for and them maintain. I have verizon (of course) and my email is primarly filtered for spam through the ISP, then through Thunderbird (Mozilla email client). Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Here, Road Runner is cleaning a lot of the viruses from email before sending > them on. Which raises the question of why the ISPs aren't our first line of > defense against viruses. > > And spam as well. Can't they detect an when a sender's email address isn't > legitimate and give us the option to block those emails? > > Rocky > -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 13:12:29 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:12:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F996B8D.7030302@verizon.net> Currently I use Mozilla Firebird, and it has a built in popup stopper, but before I switched I was using Pop Up Manager (avail at www.endpopups.com ) It is the best IE pop up stopper I've seen yet for IE. John Bartow wrote: > Hi all, > Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? > > I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am looking for a free one > for my clients. > > John -- -Francisco From MPorter at acsalaska.com Fri Oct 24 13:54:25 2003 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:54:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers Message-ID: Google search bar works great also > -----Original Message----- > From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:12 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers > > > Currently I use Mozilla Firebird, and it has a built in popup > stopper, > but before I switched I was using Pop Up Manager (avail at > www.endpopups.com ) It is the best IE pop up stopper I've > seen yet for IE. > > John Bartow wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? > > > > I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am > looking for a free one > > for my clients. > > > > John > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. 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For one they get less clutter in IE, and 2nd it doesn't distract w/ a bunch of useless buttons etc. If you really like searching from your browser directly into Google, try Mozilla Firebird, it's one of the default plug-ins. I use a series of plugins to date. Google, alltheweb, Ebay even IMDB and dictionary and thesaurus.com :) you select type your word and you're off, it doesn't call home or run statistics off your bandwidth like the googlebar and the browser kills the popups ... I've mentioned before on the list Mozilla Firebird is my default browser and I RARELY ever need to use IE for anything, in fact I would argue that I possibly use it than 5 times a month (IE that is). Porter, Mark wrote: > Google search bar works great also > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:12 AM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers >> >> >>Currently I use Mozilla Firebird, and it has a built in popup >>stopper, >>but before I switched I was using Pop Up Manager (avail at >>www.endpopups.com ) It is the best IE pop up stopper I've >>seen yet for IE. >> >>John Bartow wrote: >> >> >>>Hi all, >>>Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? >>> >>>I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am >> >>looking for a free one >> >>>for my clients. >>> >>>John >> >> >>-- >>-Francisco -- -Francisco From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 24 15:14:37 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:14:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers In-Reply-To: <3F997B60.7030807@verizon.net> Message-ID: how did firebird work with Shamil's link? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:20 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers > > > I hate that thing. whenever I troubleshoot anyone's pc here at work and > I find that thing I immediatly uninstall it and replace it with > popupmanager. For one they get less clutter in IE, and 2nd it doesn't > distract w/ a bunch of useless buttons etc. If you really like > searching from your browser directly into Google, try Mozilla Firebird, > it's one of the default plug-ins. I use a series of plugins to date. > Google, alltheweb, Ebay even IMDB and dictionary and thesaurus.com :) > you select type your word and you're off, it doesn't call home or run > statistics off your bandwidth like the googlebar and the browser kills > the popups ... I've mentioned before on the list Mozilla Firebird is my > default browser and I RARELY ever need to use IE for anything, in fact I > would argue that I possibly use it than 5 times a month (IE that is). > > > > > Porter, Mark wrote: > > > Google search bar works great also > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] > >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:12 AM > >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers > >> > >> > >>Currently I use Mozilla Firebird, and it has a built in popup > >>stopper, > >>but before I switched I was using Pop Up Manager (avail at > >>www.endpopups.com ) It is the best IE pop up stopper I've > >>seen yet for IE. > >> > >>John Bartow wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>>Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? > >>> > >>>I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am > >> > >>looking for a free one > >> > >>>for my clients. > >>> > >>>John > >> > >> > >>-- > >>-Francisco > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 16:13:30 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:13:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9995FA.6080102@verizon.net> Shamil's Link works absolutly 100% with Firebird, it does not get the incompatible browser as when using Opera. The rendering of the page is a tad bit diffrent, for instance drawing distances in the menu, but are so close that unless you have both browsers open you'd never notice. And Firebird loads faster too. John Bartow wrote: > how did firebird work with Shamil's link? > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >>Tapia >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:20 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers >> >> >>I hate that thing. whenever I troubleshoot anyone's pc here at work and >>I find that thing I immediatly uninstall it and replace it with >>popupmanager. For one they get less clutter in IE, and 2nd it doesn't >>distract w/ a bunch of useless buttons etc. If you really like >>searching from your browser directly into Google, try Mozilla Firebird, >>it's one of the default plug-ins. I use a series of plugins to date. >>Google, alltheweb, Ebay even IMDB and dictionary and thesaurus.com :) >>you select type your word and you're off, it doesn't call home or run >>statistics off your bandwidth like the googlebar and the browser kills >>the popups ... I've mentioned before on the list Mozilla Firebird is my >>default browser and I RARELY ever need to use IE for anything, in fact I >>would argue that I possibly use it than 5 times a month (IE that is). >> >> >> >> >>Porter, Mark wrote: >> >> >>>Google search bar works great also >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] >>>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:12 AM >>>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pop-up stoppers >>>> >>>> >>>>Currently I use Mozilla Firebird, and it has a built in popup >>>>stopper, >>>>but before I switched I was using Pop Up Manager (avail at >>>>www.endpopups.com ) It is the best IE pop up stopper I've >>>>seen yet for IE. >>>> >>>>John Bartow wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi all, >>>>>Which free pop-up stoppers do you use? >>>>> >>>>>I use Norton's (included in Internet Security) but am >>>> >>>>looking for a free one >>>> >>>> >>>>>for my clients. >>>>> >>>>>John >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>-Francisco >> >> >> >>-- >>-Francisco -- -Francisco From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 24 18:13:34 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:13:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: <3F996AA7.3080507@verizon.net> References: Message-ID: <3F9979DE.13851.3EE199@localhost> On 24 Oct 2003 at 11:08, Francisco H Tapia wrote: > Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most > if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will > probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so > if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system > there. Depends on which type of pop up you are talking about. If you are talking about the Windows Messenger popups, then yes a router with a firewall should block it. If you are talking about Web popups, then firewalled router probably won't do a thing about them. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 18:27:46 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:27:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Linksys wpc11 v2.5 wireless pc card for laptop In-Reply-To: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20031024225944.7BF037270@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3F99B572.4080104@verizon.net> Hello, there have been a few threads already spinning around that really don't have anything to do w/ Access but are welcomed threads due to information on computers or the like. I'd like to remind everyone that we do have a "TECH" list which is available at www.databaseadvisors.com if you are a member youc can easily post by sending mail to dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com This really will help us continue some traffic to this list where these topics are very much ON TOPIC rather than OT. Thanks for following along, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > JC, I think when I installed mine, I had to download the latest firmware. > > Kathryn Bassett, writing from the genealogy library in Salt Lake > > > --- "John Colby" wrote: > Is anyone familiar with this thing. I have one but can't get it to install > on my laptop. If anyone could help me get this running I'd be eternally > grateful. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 18:31:03 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:31:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: <3F9979DE.13851.3EE199@localhost> References: <3F9979DE.13851.3EE199@localhost> Message-ID: <3F99B637.6000905@verizon.net> If in fact he is talking about the latter (IE popups from websites) then a simple visit to www.endpopups.com will clean that problem up. For better results I recommend Firebird. Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 24 Oct 2003 at 11:08, Francisco H Tapia wrote: > > >>Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most >>if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will >>probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so >>if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system >>there. > > > Depends on which type of pop up you are talking about. > > If you are talking about the Windows Messenger popups, then yes a > router with a firewall should block it. If you are talking about Web > popups, then firewalled router probably won't do a thing about them. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and > taste good with ketchup. -- -Francisco From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Oct 24 22:48:10 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:48:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: <3F99B637.6000905@verizon.net> Message-ID: Are there any free (or low cost) popup stoppers that will stop those &^%*&^% Messenger popups? I get tons of those and they really are annoying. *Especially* since 90% of them are advertising Messenger popup stoppers. Why would I want to support someone who is doing the very thing I want stopped!!! -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > Tapia > Sent: 24 Oct 2003 4:31:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail > > > If in fact he is talking about the latter (IE popups from websites) then > a simple visit to www.endpopups.com will clean that problem up. For > better results I recommend Firebird. > > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > > On 24 Oct 2003 at 11:08, Francisco H Tapia wrote: > > > > > >>Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most > >>if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will > >>probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so > >>if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system > >>there. > > > > > > Depends on which type of pop up you are talking about. > > > > If you are talking about the Windows Messenger popups, then yes a > > router with a firewall should block it. If you are talking about Web > > popups, then firewalled router probably won't do a thing about them. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and > > taste good with ketchup. > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sat Oct 25 01:07:45 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:07:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail References: Message-ID: <002701c39abe$4f2d04c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Ya, the free method is to stop the messenger service on your machine. Or, if you need the messenger service, install Zone Alarm. (Though I had stuff like that get through Zone Alarm before, had to tweak the settings a bit. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail > Are there any free (or low cost) popup stoppers that will stop those &^%*&^% Messenger popups? I get tons of those and they really are annoying. *Especially* since 90% of them are advertising Messenger popup stoppers. Why would I want to support someone who is doing the very thing I want stopped!!! > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H > > Tapia > > Sent: 24 Oct 2003 4:31:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail > > > > > > If in fact he is talking about the latter (IE popups from websites) then > > a simple visit to www.endpopups.com will clean that problem up. For > > better results I recommend Firebird. > > > > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > > > > On 24 Oct 2003 at 11:08, Francisco H Tapia wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most > > >>if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will > > >>probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so > > >>if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system > > >>there. > > > > > > > > > Depends on which type of pop up you are talking about. > > > > > > If you are talking about the Windows Messenger popups, then yes a > > > router with a firewall should block it. If you are talking about Web > > > popups, then firewalled router probably won't do a thing about them. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and > > > taste good with ketchup. > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 21:20:19 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:20:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9B2F63.3010003@verizon.net> Sygate Personal Firewall will stop those for you. and for personal use it IS free. http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Are there any free (or low cost) popup stoppers that will stop those &^%*&^% Messenger popups? I get tons of those and they really are annoying. *Especially* since 90% of them are advertising Messenger popup stoppers. Why would I want to support someone who is doing the very thing I want stopped!!! > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >>Tapia >>Sent: 24 Oct 2003 4:31:PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail >> >> >>If in fact he is talking about the latter (IE popups from websites) then >>a simple visit to www.endpopups.com will clean that problem up. For >>better results I recommend Firebird. >> >>Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >> >> >>>On 24 Oct 2003 at 11:08, Francisco H Tapia wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ruben you said it best "Linksys DSL router", keyword, ROUTER... most >>>>if not all DSL routers have built in Firewalls in them. You will >>>>probably never see a Pop up (net send) message on you pc, even more so >>>>if you are running Win95/98 because it's a diffrent messaging system >>>>there. >>> >>> >>>Depends on which type of pop up you are talking about. >>> >>>If you are talking about the Windows Messenger popups, then yes a >>>router with a firewall should block it. If you are talking about Web >>>popups, then firewalled router probably won't do a thing about them. >>> >>>-- >>>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca >>>Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and >>>taste good with ketchup. >> >>-- >>-Francisco >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Oct 25 22:44:09 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:44:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: <002701c39abe$4f2d04c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: Drew said: > Ya, the free method is to stop the messenger service on your machine. Or, > if you need the messenger service, install Zone Alarm. (Though I had stuff > like that get through Zone Alarm before, had to tweak the settings a bit. I do have ZA (the free version). Francisco said: > Sygate Personal Firewall will stop those for you. > and for personal use it IS free. Will there be a problem if both are installed? ZA works for everything else except those blasted gray popups, I don't want to mess it up. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 26 03:03:56 2003 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:03:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: <002701c39abe$4f2d04c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> Message-ID: <3F9C1A9C.14216.64050F@localhost> On 25 Oct 2003 at 20:44, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Drew said: > > Ya, the free method is to stop the messenger service on your machine. Or, > > if you need the messenger service, install Zone Alarm. (Though I had stuff > > like that get through Zone Alarm before, had to tweak the settings a bit. > > I do have ZA (the free version). > > Francisco said: > > Sygate Personal Firewall will stop those for you. > > and for personal use it IS free. > > Will there be a problem if both are installed? ZA works for everything else except those blasted gray popups, I don't want to mess it up. > There's no point in running more than one firewall if it is capable of doing the job. I switched from ZA to Kerio Personal Firewall (free for home and personal use) some time ago because I found it much more configurable and also easy to use. First time *anything* tries to get through either way, it will tell you exactly what it is and prompt you to "create a rule" to either perimt or deny that particular application/port etc in future. http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Oct 26 03:11:09 2003 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:11:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You need to look at the settings for the Messenger service in ZA. They are probably set to let it act as a server on the Internet. It only needs to act as a server on the LAN. Of course, it only needs to do that if you are actually using it. There are a few things that use the Messenger service. The two I know of, off the top of my head are Active Directory, and Microsoft Exchange Server. If you don't use either of these, and don't have anything special that uses the messenger service, just turn it off. I don't know what kind of network you have setup. I am running Active Directory (so I keep that service running), but if you just have a stand alone machine connected to the internet, then just disable that service. In the control panel, under Administrative Tools, is the 'Services' option. That will list all of the services on your machine. The service you want will be listed as 'Messenger'. Just double click on it, and you'll see the startup options. Automatic (which means it starts as soon as windows does, Manual, which means it starts either manually, or if another service is dependant upon it, and Disabled, which means it won't start EVER. (Unless you switch it back to Automatic or Manual)). Just set it to disabled, and you'll be back in business. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail Drew said: > Ya, the free method is to stop the messenger service on your machine. Or, > if you need the messenger service, install Zone Alarm. (Though I had stuff > like that get through Zone Alarm before, had to tweak the settings a bit. I do have ZA (the free version). Francisco said: > Sygate Personal Firewall will stop those for you. > and for personal use it IS free. Will there be a problem if both are installed? ZA works for everything else except those blasted gray popups, I don't want to mess it up. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 26 05:48:06 2003 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:48:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> <010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <3F9BB476.1010606@torchlake.com> Dear Lembit and all other friends on these lists, First - thank you for acknowledging Bryan's excellent work, which resulted in an important change being made without any disruption. Often, good work like that goes unnoticed, just because it didn't make any trouble. Thank you for giving it the proper recognition. And thank you, Bryan, for your careful planning and thorough implementation. Second - thank you for existing. So far, I am only a subscriber (on three lists). I spend a great deal of time "lurking" and learning great things from the several really well-informed guru-types found on these lists. Soon, I will find a few more pennies in my pocket than I have now, and I will become a real live "supporter." Your value to me is great even though my ability to demonstrate that has been small. I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. I look forward to many years of learning and sharing with you. Is there a beginner's level standard contribution? Thanks, Tina Lembit Soobik wrote: >Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to >provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists was >well >prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change >were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We >experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of the >announcement, the change went unnoticed. > >This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes >implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful preparation >and >documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. > >Thank you very much for this great work. > >Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA >Donna Cook, VP DBA > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 26 09:05:17 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:05:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes In-Reply-To: <3F9BB476.1010606@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina, Glad to have you on the list. Sometimes a great contribution is just saying "hi, this list is great". We all need to hear that sometimes. I found this list in about August, 1997. Newly unemployed, and living down in Mexico, I needed someplace where I could go get help getting back into Access after a couple of years doing C controller stuff. I learned a ton, and met a slew of great people including a certain Mr. Mark Breen of Clane Ireland who hired me to come over to Ireland and help one of his clients for a couple of months. Six years later I'm still learning something every day from this list, and meeting new people that I can call friends. This list is the best! John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes Dear Lembit and all other friends on these lists, First - thank you for acknowledging Bryan's excellent work, which resulted in an important change being made without any disruption. Often, good work like that goes unnoticed, just because it didn't make any trouble. Thank you for giving it the proper recognition. And thank you, Bryan, for your careful planning and thorough implementation. Second - thank you for existing. So far, I am only a subscriber (on three lists). I spend a great deal of time "lurking" and learning great things from the several really well-informed guru-types found on these lists. Soon, I will find a few more pennies in my pocket than I have now, and I will become a real live "supporter." Your value to me is great even though my ability to demonstrate that has been small. I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. I look forward to many years of learning and sharing with you. Is there a beginner's level standard contribution? Thanks, Tina Lembit Soobik wrote: >Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to >provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists was >well >prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change >were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We >experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of the >announcement, the change went unnoticed. > >This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes >implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful preparation >and >documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. > >Thank you very much for this great work. > >Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA >Donna Cook, VP DBA > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Oct 26 13:00:58 2003 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:00:58 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <015101c39bf3$7da9bce0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Hear hear to JC's comments. Great to hear from you Tina and to know you're around. You contribute as and when and if you feel like it. Never feel embarrassed. Your contributions will always be appreciated. Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby > Sent: 26 October 2003 15:05 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > > > Tina, > > Glad to have you on the list. Sometimes a great contribution > is just saying "hi, this list is great". We all need to hear > that sometimes. > > I found this list in about August, 1997. Newly unemployed, > and living down in Mexico, I needed someplace where I could > go get help getting back into Access after a couple of years > doing C controller stuff. I learned a ton, and met a slew of > great people including a certain Mr. Mark Breen of Clane > Ireland who hired me to come over to Ireland and help one of > his clients for a couple of months. > > Six years later I'm still learning something every day from > this list, and meeting new people that I can call friends. > > This list is the best! > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Tina Norris Fields > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:48 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > > > Dear Lembit and all other friends on these lists, > > First - thank you for acknowledging Bryan's excellent work, > which resulted in an important change being made without any > disruption. Often, good work like that goes unnoticed, just > because it didn't make any trouble. Thank you for giving it > the proper recognition. And thank you, Bryan, for your > careful planning and thorough implementation. > > Second - thank you for existing. So far, I am only a > subscriber (on three lists). I spend a great deal of time > "lurking" and learning great things from the several really > well-informed guru-types found on these lists. Soon, I will > find a few more pennies in my pocket than I have now, and I > will become a real live "supporter." Your value to me is > great even though my ability to demonstrate that has been small. > > I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. > I look forward to many years of learning and sharing with > you. Is there a beginner's level standard contribution? > > Thanks, > Tina > > Lembit Soobik wrote: > > >Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of > our lists to > >provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 > >lists > was > >well > >prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the > nature of the > change > >were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the > website. We > >experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the > exception > >of > the > >announcement, the change went unnoticed. > > > >This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see > all changes > >implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful > preparation > >and > >documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. > > > >Thank you very much for this great work. > > > >Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA > >Donna Cook, VP DBA > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Sun Oct 26 13:56:03 2003 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:56:03 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes References: Message-ID: <043201c39bfb$fc650000$026da8c0@D8TZHN0J> Thanks John, The pleasure was mutual, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > Tina, > > Glad to have you on the list. Sometimes a great contribution is just saying > "hi, this list is great". We all need to hear that sometimes. > > I found this list in about August, 1997. Newly unemployed, and living down > in Mexico, I needed someplace where I could go get help getting back into > Access after a couple of years doing C controller stuff. I learned a ton, > and met a slew of great people including a certain Mr. Mark Breen of Clane > Ireland who hired me to come over to Ireland and help one of his clients for > a couple of months. > > Six years later I'm still learning something every day from this list, and > meeting new people that I can call friends. > > This list is the best! > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:48 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > > > Dear Lembit and all other friends on these lists, > > First - thank you for acknowledging Bryan's excellent work, which > resulted in an important change being made without any disruption. > Often, good work like that goes unnoticed, just because it didn't make > any trouble. Thank you for giving it the proper recognition. And thank > you, Bryan, for your careful planning and thorough implementation. > > Second - thank you for existing. So far, I am only a subscriber (on > three lists). I spend a great deal of time "lurking" and learning great > things from the several really well-informed guru-types found on these > lists. Soon, I will find a few more pennies in my pocket than I have > now, and I will become a real live "supporter." Your value to me is > great even though my ability to demonstrate that has been small. > > I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. I look > forward to many years of learning and sharing with you. Is there a > beginner's level standard contribution? > > Thanks, > Tina > > Lembit Soobik wrote: > > >Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to > >provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists > was > >well > >prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the > change > >were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We > >experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of > the > >announcement, the change went unnoticed. > > > >This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes > >implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful > preparation > >and > >documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. > > > >Thank you very much for this great work. > > > >Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA > >Donna Cook, VP DBA > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Sun Oct 26 14:54:03 2003 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:54:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes In-Reply-To: <3F9BB476.1010606@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hi Tina, I think you just made the most important contribution - being a part of the list and letting people know you're here. Welcome, John B. > I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. I look > forward to many years of learning and sharing with you. Is there a > beginner's level standard contribution? > > Thanks, > Tina From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Mon Oct 27 09:53:15 2003 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:53:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes References: <20031023124352.79934.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com><010801c3996f$98e1f2b0$0200a8c0@S856> <3F9BB476.1010606@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <055201c39ca2$6f4195b0$0200a8c0@S856> Thank you, Tina, for this friendly message. :-) I remember having seen your name several times on the list. As for contributions, this is a free list and it exists thanks to the generosity of it's members. From monetary contributions of any size, to volunteer work, to the friendly family-like helping of each other. We dont have a standard contribution, and we dont distinguish between beginners and advanced users. We have had large contributions by people who say very little on list, we have many people working hard behind the scenes for the benefit of all of us, we have people who consistently and reliably answer the most difficult questions every day, and we have beginners that bring up very important subjects that lead to long in-depth discussions. So, whatever you want to contribute, in whatever way that you can, you are sure welcome to do so. Thanks again Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Recent List Changes > Dear Lembit and all other friends on these lists, > > First - thank you for acknowledging Bryan's excellent work, which > resulted in an important change being made without any disruption. > Often, good work like that goes unnoticed, just because it didn't make > any trouble. Thank you for giving it the proper recognition. And thank > you, Bryan, for your careful planning and thorough implementation. > > Second - thank you for existing. So far, I am only a subscriber (on > three lists). I spend a great deal of time "lurking" and learning great > things from the several really well-informed guru-types found on these > lists. Soon, I will find a few more pennies in my pocket than I have > now, and I will become a real live "supporter." Your value to me is > great even though my ability to demonstrate that has been small. > > I wanted you all to know you are important and appreciated. I look > forward to many years of learning and sharing with you. Is there a > beginner's level standard contribution? > > Thanks, > Tina > > Lembit Soobik wrote: > > >Last weekend Bryan Carbonell implemented changes to all of our lists to > >provide for text only messages. This change, implemented on over 25 lists was > >well > >prepared, and flawless. The time and date as well as the nature of the change > >were announced in advance on the lists, as well as on the website. We > >experienced no surprises and no problems resulted. With the exception of the > >announcement, the change went unnoticed. > > > >This is a great achievement. Really, the way we like to see all changes > >implemented. This great success was only possible with the careful preparation > >and > >documentation done by our fellow lister, Bryan Carbonell. > > > >Thank you very much for this great work. > > > >Lembit Soobik, Pres. DBA > >Donna Cook, VP DBA > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Oct 27 12:18:02 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:18:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F9D615A.2000903@verizon.net> Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Drew said: > >>Ya, the free method is to stop the messenger service on your machine. Or, >>if you need the messenger service, install Zone Alarm. (Though I had stuff >>like that get through Zone Alarm before, had to tweak the settings a bit. > > > I do have ZA (the free version). > > Francisco said: > >>Sygate Personal Firewall will stop those for you. >>and for personal use it IS free. > > > Will there be a problem if both are installed? ZA works for everything else except those blasted gray popups, I don't want to mess it up. > > -- THERE is no NEED to keep ZA installed on your system if you go w/ Sygate, I know that the Free ZA has limitations on how much it lets you configure. I found Sygate to be more powerful as a free free firewall than any of the others. -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Oct 27 12:19:55 2003 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:19:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Virus mail In-Reply-To: <3F9C1A9C.14216.64050F@localhost> References: <002701c39abe$4f2d04c0$1500a8c0@marlow.com> <3F9C1A9C.14216.64050F@localhost> Message-ID: <3F9D61CB.4040200@verizon.net> Stuart McLachlan wrote: > First time *anything* tries to get through either way, it will tell > you exactly what it is and prompt you to "create a rule" to either > perimt or deny that particular application/port etc in future. That is why I like Sygate, because it works everytime. I used Kiero before when It was called Tiny's Personal Firewall. It was a great firewall but I like Sygate more now, and It's 100% stealth in any of the Shield's up or other firewall tests. -- -Francisco From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com Tue Oct 28 05:10:54 2003 From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:10:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win XP "Partition Manager" Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BE70@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk> Morning all Anyone aware of any issues or "gotchas" with the Partition Manager that comes with WinXP? Thanks! Chris Foote From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 29 08:50:06 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:50:06 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449CA5@ALCUXB> Fixing a friends pc last night, I made a rather startling discovery... I've got a wireless LAN at home, so I didn't have to drill any holes to pass cables from my bedroom into the sitting room below, where the Router and hub are. I bought two wireless cards - one is in my pc the other is a spare, which I install in every pc that I fix, so I can use the internet to download drivers and update things etc. So I installed this card into my friends pc, and spent an hour or so looking for the aerial, which had mysteriously vanished from the plastic box. Upon not finding it, I gave up looking and temporarily removed the aerial from my pc's card and started to work on the other one. I didn't bother setting Zonealarm's button to "Stop all internet activity" as I reasoned that not having an aerial would be a sufficient barrier to hackers... Not so apparently. Imagine my surprise when an e-mail arrived... So I looked at the signal strength... 6% quality and strength on my pc. I removed the aerial from the other pc and found that sitting in the centre of the room (rather than in the corner as mine is) it had a signal strength and quality of over 50%... to say I was completely dumbfounded was an understatement... it never occurred to me that it would be able to work without the aerial. Jon Tydda IT Support Technician ALcontrol Technichem FAQ: Where do I find the "Any" key on my keyboard? (FAQ2859) The term "any key" does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Oct 29 09:10:25 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:10:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71D9@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I would not do that often. Your transmit power get reflected (SWR) back to the poweramp transistor which could get defect due to no antenna... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: woensdag 29 oktober 2003 15:50 Aan: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery Fixing a friends pc last night, I made a rather startling discovery... I've got a wireless LAN at home, so I didn't have to drill any holes to pass cables from my bedroom into the sitting room below, where the Router and hub are. I bought two wireless cards - one is in my pc the other is a spare, which I install in every pc that I fix, so I can use the internet to download drivers and update things etc. So I installed this card into my friends pc, and spent an hour or so looking for the aerial, which had mysteriously vanished from the plastic box. Upon not finding it, I gave up looking and temporarily removed the aerial from my pc's card and started to work on the other one. I didn't bother setting Zonealarm's button to "Stop all internet activity" as I reasoned that not having an aerial would be a sufficient barrier to hackers... Not so apparently. Imagine my surprise when an e-mail arrived... So I looked at the signal strength... 6% quality and strength on my pc. I removed the aerial from the other pc and found that sitting in the centre of the room (rather than in the corner as mine is) it had a signal strength and quality of over 50%... to say I was completely dumbfounded was an understatement... it never occurred to me that it would be able to work without the aerial. Jon Tydda IT Support Technician ALcontrol Technichem FAQ: Where do I find the "Any" key on my keyboard? (FAQ2859) The term "any key" does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 29 09:13:46 2003 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:13:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA449CAB@ALCUXB> so it could damage it? right... better have another look for that aerial :-( Thanks for the warning! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 29 October 2003 15:10 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery I would not do that often. Your transmit power get reflected (SWR) back to the poweramp transistor which could get defect due to no antenna... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: woensdag 29 oktober 2003 15:50 Aan: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Wireless discovery Fixing a friends pc last night, I made a rather startling discovery... I've got a wireless LAN at home, so I didn't have to drill any holes to pass cables from my bedroom into the sitting room below, where the Router and hub are. I bought two wireless cards - one is in my pc the other is a spare, which I install in every pc that I fix, so I can use the internet to download drivers and update things etc. So I installed this card into my friends pc, and spent an hour or so looking for the aerial, which had mysteriously vanished from the plastic box. Upon not finding it, I gave up looking and temporarily removed the aerial from my pc's card and started to work on the other one. I didn't bother setting Zonealarm's button to "Stop all internet activity" as I reasoned that not having an aerial would be a sufficient barrier to hackers... Not so apparently. Imagine my surprise when an e-mail arrived... So I looked at the signal strength... 6% quality and strength on my pc. I removed the aerial from the other pc and found that sitting in the centre of the room (rather than in the corner as mine is) it had a signal strength and quality of over 50%... to say I was completely dumbfounded was an understatement... it never occurred to me that it would be able to work without the aerial. Jon Tydda IT Support Technician ALcontrol Technichem FAQ: Where do I find the "Any" key on my keyboard? (FAQ2859) The term "any key" does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 29 16:18:48 2003 From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:18:48 +1100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Message-ID: <002701c39e6a$a04def90$6401a8c0@user> Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old home and that incorporates my office. I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it so easily. But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all think? Rgds Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 29 19:56:09 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:56:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired In-Reply-To: <002701c39e6a$a04def90$6401a8c0@user> Message-ID: <3FA02969.31385.426CE1@localhost> On 30 Oct 2003 at 9:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old > home and that incorporates my office. > > I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 > points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it > so easily. > > But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all > think? If the cost isn't a concern, then I would wire it. Like you said, you will never be able to do it so easily again. You may not end up using it, but it's there. Although you may use it if you want higher transfer speeds. 802.11b has a transfer speed of about 11Mbps (IIRC) whereas with a wired network you can get at least 100 Mbps. Then again, I'm not a big fan of wireless at the moment. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 29 20:18:42 2003 From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:18:42 +1100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired References: <3FA02969.31385.426CE1@localhost> Message-ID: <000901c39e8c$24042f90$6401a8c0@user> Thanks Bryan. PMI (have I invented this new abbreviation? - Pardon My Ignorance)...but what is 802.11b?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired On 30 Oct 2003 at 9:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old > home and that incorporates my office. > > I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 > points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it > so easily. > > But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all > think? If the cost isn't a concern, then I would wire it. Like you said, you will never be able to do it so easily again. You may not end up using it, but it's there. Although you may use it if you want higher transfer speeds. 802.11b has a transfer speed of about 11Mbps (IIRC) whereas with a wired network you can get at least 100 Mbps. Then again, I'm not a big fan of wireless at the moment. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 29 20:24:26 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:24:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired In-Reply-To: <000901c39e8c$24042f90$6401a8c0@user> Message-ID: <3FA0300A.28631.5C5197@localhost> On 30 Oct 2003 at 13:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > Thanks Bryan. PMI (have I invented this new abbreviation? - Pardon My > Ignorance)...but what is 802.11b?? One of the wireless standards. The main ones are 802.11a 802.11b and 802.11g These are actual IEEE standards. I just did a quick search on wireless standards and the newest standard, 802.11g, can get rates of 54 Mbps. http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/80211gapp2.html -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I DON'T HAVE AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A PERCEPTION PROBLEM. From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 29 20:32:00 2003 From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:32:00 +1100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired References: <3FA0300A.28631.5C5197@localhost> Message-ID: <001701c39e8d$ffcbf5c0$6401a8c0@user> OK - Thanks for the link....I guess that that limit can only grow as time goes by though..... Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Carbonnell To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired On 30 Oct 2003 at 13:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > Thanks Bryan. PMI (have I invented this new abbreviation? - Pardon My > Ignorance)...but what is 802.11b?? One of the wireless standards. The main ones are 802.11a 802.11b and 802.11g These are actual IEEE standards. I just did a quick search on wireless standards and the newest standard, 802.11g, can get rates of 54 Mbps. http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/80211gapp2.html -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I DON'T HAVE AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A PERCEPTION PROBLEM. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 29 20:37:38 2003 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:37:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired In-Reply-To: <001701c39e8d$ffcbf5c0$6401a8c0@user> Message-ID: <3FA03322.19273.6866F2@localhost> On 30 Oct 2003 at 13:32, Kath Pelletti wrote: > OK - Thanks for the link....I guess that that limit can only grow as > time goes by though..... Kath Yep. It will only get faster. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, and professionals built the Titanic. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Oct 30 01:50:35 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:50:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71DB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Please note that with structured cabling (cat 5 or 6) you can use that cables for other things to. 1) Phone, Fax and modem lines 2) USB over UTP 3) RS232 (Serial) over UTP 4) KVM (over UTP 5) Connect networkprinter 6) all the old network stuff like twinax over utp Speeds over utp is now max 1Gb... Is more secure than wireless. I do'nt know nut I do'nt want every thing beeing wireless, I do't wanna turn my house into a giant microwave... And my experiances with Wireless are pretty disapointing. They get a lot of interference from other devices like wireless phones, bluetooth etc.. I have tested SMC, D-link, Netgear boxes with always the same result. More than 10 meters away (in house) the connections are bad and at 1Mb. For internet that still fine, but if Am synchronising my Music files it takes several hours instead of several minutes.... The SMC box with encryption I have resets every 5 minutes when having heavy trafic trasnfered (1 user only)!!! I'm hoping th boxes that work on the 5GHz freq will be working better. They are not allowed yet in Belgium.. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bryan Carbonnell Verzonden: donderdag 30 oktober 2003 2:56 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired On 30 Oct 2003 at 9:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old > home and that incorporates my office. > > I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 > points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it > so easily. > > But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all > think? If the cost isn't a concern, then I would wire it. Like you said, you will never be able to do it so easily again. You may not end up using it, but it's there. Although you may use it if you want higher transfer speeds. 802.11b has a transfer speed of about 11Mbps (IIRC) whereas with a wired network you can get at least 100 Mbps. Then again, I'm not a big fan of wireless at the moment. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Oct 30 09:49:31 2003 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:49:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Message-ID: Kath, I just put in a wireless network last week, as I finally convinced my wife I needed a laptop. Bought a LinkSys WRT54G Router with a firewall that has NAT Technology and SPI, see www.linksys.com for an explanation. Laptop has built-in wireless 802.11g. Right out of the box and connected to my desktop upstairs, the LinkSys router signal was picked up by my laptop on the first floor opposite side of the house and was cruising at 54Mb/sec. Cruising the WEB and the phone rings,Uh Oh, it's a 2.4Ghz Siemens phone. Didn't interfere with the wireless connection at all. Also I have a 900 MHz signal constantly being sent to the kitchen TV, also no problem. I love it! Wife is upstairs doing her thing and I'm downstairs on the sofa doin mine. The LinkSys web site also has easy to follow instructions on how to secure your router from hackers. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:19 PM To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old home and that incorporates my office. I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it so easily. But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all think? Rgds Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Oct 30 10:54:49 2003 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:54:49 -0900 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Message-ID: I'm sure the Project Management Institute will love this use of 'PMI' - heh > -----Original Message----- > From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:19 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired > > > Thanks Bryan. PMI (have I invented this new abbreviation? - > Pardon My Ignorance)...but what is 802.11b?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryan Carbonnell > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired > > > On 30 Oct 2003 at 9:18, Kath Pelletti wrote: > > > Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old > > home and that incorporates my office. > > > > I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house > to say 6 or 7 > > points for a network, given that we will never again be > able to do it > > so easily. > > > > But is this really necessary given wireless networks? > What do you all > > think? > > If the cost isn't a concern, then I would wire it. Like you > said, you > will never be able to do it so easily again. > > You may not end up using it, but it's there. Although you > may use it > if you want higher transfer speeds. 802.11b has a transfer speed of > about 11Mbps (IIRC) whereas with a wired network you can get at > least 100 Mbps. > > Then again, I'm not a big fan of wireless at the moment. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. 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I then tried and failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com. Long story short, it didn't work. Long story a little longer, a very long call to dlink tech support, did not solve the problem. Or maaaaaybe it did. After failing to figure anything out, they recommended that I upgrade my laptop bios. It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work for Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997? Getting a bit long in the tooth, truth be told. The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc. And "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor. So I uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV, reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card. Still no joy. The site survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if there was a transmitter I would see it regardless. Ignorant liars! Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of other things and boom, I see a transmitter. Went in to the router config page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the laptop changes to match! Still no connection though. Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web. Yeaaaaa. Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit, and eventually the gods will reward you. Or not. Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others can't see my network. I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really know what I did to finally get it running. Can anyone walk me through tightening this up? John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 20:35:32 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:35:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) Message-ID: So you think some hacker's gpnna go through all that hassle like you did just to get into your network? They don't have time for that ! Have a look at; http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101191.asp You want to set it to only allow your wireless device to connect. Not sure how you do that on your router. See Item #2 under Basic Security Practices in the linked page. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "John Colby" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Database Advisors Inc. \(Tech\)" , >"AccessD" >Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:39:45 -0500 > >I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago. I >needed >to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and >the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time. I then tried and >failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a >dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com. Long story >short, it didn't work. Long story a little longer, a very long call to >dlink tech support, did not solve the problem. > >Or maaaaaybe it did. After failing to figure anything out, they >recommended >that I upgrade my laptop bios. It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba >Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work >for >Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997? Getting a bit >long in the tooth, truth be told. > >The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc. And >"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor. So I >uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV, >reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card. Still no joy. The site >survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if >there was a transmitter I would see it regardless. > >Ignorant liars! > >Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it >defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of >other things and boom, I see a transmitter. Went in to the router config >page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the >laptop >changes to match! Still no connection though. > >Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a >wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web. Yeaaaaa. > >Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit, >and eventually the gods will reward you. Or not. > >Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others >can't >see my network. I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really >know what I did to finally get it running. > >Can anyone walk me through tightening this up? > >John W. Colby >www.colbyconsulting.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 30 20:52:16 2003 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:52:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmmm... is that all that is required? I set the router to only accept the mac address of my laptop. Does that mean that NO other traffic is visible to the outside world? I'm really more worried about clear transmission of data than anything. Being ignorant of how it all works, what I don't want is to have all the data going back and forth across my network being transmitted out into the ether for anyone with the right gear to look at. Not that I'm any big fish, and not that it is even remotely likely, but paranoia is the better part of valor (or some such). John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:36 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) So you think some hacker's gpnna go through all that hassle like you did just to get into your network? They don't have time for that ! Have a look at; http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101191.asp You want to set it to only allow your wireless device to connect. Not sure how you do that on your router. See Item #2 under Basic Security Practices in the linked page. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "John Colby" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Database Advisors Inc. \(Tech\)" , >"AccessD" >Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:39:45 -0500 > >I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago. I >needed >to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and >the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time. I then tried and >failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a >dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com. Long story >short, it didn't work. Long story a little longer, a very long call to >dlink tech support, did not solve the problem. > >Or maaaaaybe it did. After failing to figure anything out, they >recommended >that I upgrade my laptop bios. It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba >Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work >for >Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997? Getting a bit >long in the tooth, truth be told. > >The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc. And >"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor. So I >uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV, >reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card. Still no joy. The site >survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if >there was a transmitter I would see it regardless. > >Ignorant liars! > >Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it >defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of >other things and boom, I see a transmitter. Went in to the router config >page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the >laptop >changes to match! Still no connection though. > >Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have a >wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web. Yeaaaaa. > >Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't quit, >and eventually the gods will reward you. Or not. > >Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others >can't >see my network. I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really >know what I did to finally get it running. > >Can anyone walk me through tightening this up? > >John W. Colby >www.colbyconsulting.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 30 21:11:51 2003 From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:11:51 +1100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired References: Message-ID: <001d01c39f5c$bba0a1a0$6401a8c0@user> Thanks everyone for the feedback. Much appreciated Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Tesiny, Ed To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:49 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Kath, I just put in a wireless network last week, as I finally convinced my wife I needed a laptop. Bought a LinkSys WRT54G Router with a firewall that has NAT Technology and SPI, see www.linksys.com for an explanation. Laptop has built-in wireless 802.11g. Right out of the box and connected to my desktop upstairs, the LinkSys router signal was picked up by my laptop on the first floor opposite side of the house and was cruising at 54Mb/sec. Cruising the WEB and the phone rings,Uh Oh, it's a 2.4Ghz Siemens phone. Didn't interfere with the wireless connection at all. Also I have a 900 MHz signal constantly being sent to the kitchen TV, also no problem. I love it! Wife is upstairs doing her thing and I'm downstairs on the sofa doin mine. The LinkSys web site also has easy to follow instructions on how to secure your router from hackers. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:19 PM To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old home and that incorporates my office. I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it so easily. But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all think? Rgds Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 31 07:31:25 2003 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:31:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71EB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I read an article from Woody Watch stating that in his experiance the 802.11g (54Mbps) has no trouble penetrating walls for some reason. I can only say I tested several brands (but not Linksys and I hear Linksys is good) at 11Mbps (thats 802.11 a or b) and I don'nt get no further than 10 meters in house. Infact my bluetooth connection goes further in my house than my Wifi connection (11Mbps). Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Kath, I just put in a wireless network last week, as I finally convinced my wife I needed a laptop. Bought a LinkSys WRT54G Router with a firewall that has NAT Technology and SPI, see www.linksys.com for an explanation. Laptop has built-in wireless 802.11g. Right out of the box and connected to my desktop upstairs, the LinkSys router signal was picked up by my laptop on the first floor opposite side of the house and was cruising at 54Mb/sec. Cruising the WEB and the phone rings,Uh Oh, it's a 2.4Ghz Siemens phone. Didn't interfere with the wireless connection at all. Also I have a 900 MHz signal constantly being sent to the kitchen TV, also no problem. I love it! Wife is upstairs doing her thing and I'm downstairs on the sofa doin mine. The LinkSys web site also has easy to follow instructions on how to secure your router from hackers. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:19 PM To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old home and that incorporates my office. I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it so easily. But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all think? Rgds Kath Pelletti Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru Fri Oct 31 08:01:28 2003 From: shamil at SMSConsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:01:28 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71EB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <000b01c39fb7$7c9de520$b501010a@PARIS> > I read an article from Woody Watch stating that in his experiance the > 802.11g (54Mbps) has no trouble penetrating walls for some reason Does it penetrate well also through ~20cm of reinforced concrete? Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired > I read an article from Woody Watch stating that in his experiance the > 802.11g (54Mbps) has no trouble penetrating walls for some reason. > > I can only say I tested several brands (but not Linksys and I hear > Linksys is good) at 11Mbps (thats 802.11 a or b) and I don'nt get no > further than 10 meters in house. > Infact my bluetooth connection goes further in my house than my Wifi > connection (11Mbps). > > Erwin > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:50 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired > > > Kath, > I just put in a wireless network last week, as I finally convinced my > wife I needed a laptop. Bought a LinkSys WRT54G Router with a firewall > that has NAT Technology and SPI, see www.linksys.com for an explanation. > Laptop has built-in wireless 802.11g. Right out of the box and > connected to my desktop upstairs, the LinkSys router signal was picked > up by my laptop on the first floor opposite side of the house and was > cruising at 54Mb/sec. Cruising the WEB and the phone rings,Uh Oh, it's > a 2.4Ghz Siemens phone. Didn't interfere with the wireless connection > at all. Also I have a 900 MHz signal constantly being sent to the > kitchen TV, also no problem. I love it! Wife is upstairs doing her > thing and I'm downstairs on the sofa doin mine. The LinkSys web site > also has easy to follow instructions on how to secure your router from > hackers. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:19 PM > To: AccessD Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless or wired > > > Can I ask - we are about to rewire (as part of a re-build) our old home > and that incorporates my office. > > I had planned to ask for Cat5 cable throughout the house to say 6 or 7 > points for a network, given that we will never again be able to do it so > easily. > > But is this really necessary given wireless networks? What do you all > think? > > Rgds > Kath Pelletti > Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 08:21:21 2003 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:21:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) Message-ID: I saw on the Linksys site in the Knowledge base after searching for "Secure wireless network" they talked about turning off "SSID" and that would not allow other people to see your access points. Supposedly "WEP" encryption is easily hackable It will keep most people out but not true hackers http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,46187,00.html The more improved standard is "WPA" Have a look here.... Keeping your wireless network secure; http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1309268,00.asp Exploiting and Protecting Wireless Networks http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,11388,00.asp Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "John Colby" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:52:16 -0500 > >Hmmm... is that all that is required? I set the router to only accept the >mac address of my laptop. Does that mean that NO other traffic is visible >to the outside world? I'm really more worried about clear transmission of >data than anything. Being ignorant of how it all works, what I don't want >is to have all the data going back and forth across my network being >transmitted out into the ether for anyone with the right gear to look at. > >Not that I'm any big fish, and not that it is even remotely likely, but >paranoia is the better part of valor (or some such). > >John W. Colby >www.colbyconsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:36 PM >To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) > > >So you think some hacker's gpnna go through all that hassle like you did >just to get into your network? They don't have time for that ! > > > >Have a look at; > >http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101191.asp > >You want to set it to only allow your wireless device to connect. Not sure >how you do that on your router. > >See Item #2 under Basic Security Practices in the linked page. > >Gary Kjos >garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "John Colby" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Database Advisors Inc. \(Tech\)" , > >"AccessD" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Wireless network (sort of) > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:39:45 -0500 > > > >I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a couple of weeks ago. I > >needed > >to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept needing to plug in) and > >the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the time. I then tried and > >failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying around, so I ordered a > >dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at www.newegg.com. Long story > >short, it didn't work. Long story a little longer, a very long call to > >dlink tech support, did not solve the problem. > > > >Or maaaaaybe it did. After failing to figure anything out, they > >recommended > >that I upgrade my laptop bios. It's an ancient (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba > >Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first paycheck from my trip to work > >for > >Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm..... November 1997? Getting a >bit > >long in the tooth, truth be told. > > > >The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV before installing etc. >And > >"oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300 mhz processor. So I > >uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May 2000?), turned off NAV, > >reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card. Still no joy. The >site > >survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech support assured me that if > >there was a transmitter I would see it regardless. > > > >Ignorant liars! > > > >Went back in and reconfigured the card in the laptop for channel 11 (it > >defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played around with a couple of > >other things and boom, I see a transmitter. Went in to the router config > >page and changed the SSID and sure enough the thing I'm seeing on the > >laptop > >changes to match! Still no connection though. > > > >Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no clear idea why) I have >a > >wireless connection, can browse my network and see the web. Yeaaaaa. > > > >Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks, play around, don't >quit, > >and eventually the gods will reward you. Or not. > > > >Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this thing up so that others > >can't > >see my network. I'm a bit afraid to touch anything since I don't really > >know what I did to finally get it running. > > > >Can anyone walk me through tightening this up? > > > >John W. 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Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov Fri Oct 31 10:55:29 2003 From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:55:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0221@pnlmse28.pnl.gov> Everyone, Somehow, there is an item in the context menu in IE on a laptop I recently received that I want to remove. I have no idea how it got there and it isn't one of the standard options, so I want to remove it. Does anyone know how to do this? Where are the context menu options stored/maintained? Thanks. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Oct 31 11:20:02 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:20:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu References: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0221@pnlmse28.pnl.gov> Message-ID: <3FA299C2.3010406@shaw.ca> If the context menu is the bar with history and refresh icons just go to a clear area on the right and right click. There is a then a menu to remove icons or alter position. Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: >Everyone, > >Somehow, there is an item in the context menu in IE on a laptop I >recently received that I want to remove. I have no idea how it got >there and it isn't one of the standard options, so I want to remove it. >Does anyone know how to do this? Where are the context menu options >stored/maintained? > >Thanks. > >Ken Stoker >Technology Commercialization >Information Systems Administrator >PH: (509) 375-3758 >FAX: (509) 375-6731 >E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov Fri Oct 31 11:23:26 2003 From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:23:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0224@pnlmse28.pnl.gov> Sorry, I'm talking about when you right click within a web page, you get a menu that contains options like Back, Forward, View Source, Print, Refresh, Copy Background, Save Background, etc. There is an option in there that I don't want, that I want to remove. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu If the context menu is the bar with history and refresh icons just go to a clear area on the right and right click. There is a then a menu to remove icons or alter position. Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: >Everyone, > >Somehow, there is an item in the context menu in IE on a laptop I >recently received that I want to remove. I have no idea how it got >there and it isn't one of the standard options, so I want to remove it. >Does anyone know how to do this? Where are the context menu options >stored/maintained? > >Thanks. > >Ken Stoker >Technology Commercialization >Information Systems Administrator >PH: (509) 375-3758 >FAX: (509) 375-6731 >E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Oct 31 11:58:36 2003 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:58:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu References: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0224@pnlmse28.pnl.gov> Message-ID: <3FA2A2CC.5010704@shaw.ca> Oh that one. I am not sure but scan around on google for some variation on this method. This changes the registry so take care. There are freeware tools to do it. If you have something odd there, try running AdAware to pinpoint it and remove it first. This may be your best bet. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/ Manual Procedure: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Click [Start] [Run] type [REGEDIT] 2. Navigate to the key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt. Each subkey of this key represents one menu item. Many will include an ampersand (&) to define the underlined key associated with the command. Highlight the key you want to delete (for example, HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt\Zoom &In). Choose Export from the Registry menu and export that branch to a file. Now delete the key. Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: >Sorry, I'm talking about when you right click within a web page, you get >a menu that contains options like Back, Forward, View Source, Print, >Refresh, Copy Background, Save Background, etc. There is an option in >there that I don't want, that I want to remove. > >Ken Stoker >Technology Commercialization >Information Systems Administrator >PH: (509) 375-3758 >FAX: (509) 375-6731 >E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] >Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu > > >If the context menu is the bar with history and refresh icons just go to > >a clear area on the right and right click. There is a then a menu to >remove icons or alter position. > >Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: > > > >>Everyone, >> >>Somehow, there is an item in the context menu in IE on a laptop I >>recently received that I want to remove. I have no idea how it got >>there and it isn't one of the standard options, so I want to remove it. >> >> > > > >>Does anyone know how to do this? Where are the context menu options >>stored/maintained? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Ken Stoker >>Technology Commercialization >>Information Systems Administrator >>PH: (509) 375-3758 >>FAX: (509) 375-6731 >>E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov Fri Oct 31 12:14:16 2003 From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:14:16 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0225@pnlmse28.pnl.gov> Great!!! Worked like a charm. Thanks. Ken Stoker Technology Commercialization Information Systems Administrator PH: (509) 375-3758 FAX: (509) 375-6731 E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu Oh that one. I am not sure but scan around on google for some variation on this method. This changes the registry so take care. There are freeware tools to do it. If you have something odd there, try running AdAware to pinpoint it and remove it first. This may be your best bet. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/ Manual Procedure: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Click [Start] [Run] type [REGEDIT] 2. Navigate to the key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt. Each subkey of this key represents one menu item. Many will include an ampersand (&) to define the underlined key associated with the command. Highlight the key you want to delete (for example, HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt\Zoom &In). Choose Export from the Registry menu and export that branch to a file. Now delete the key. Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: >Sorry, I'm talking about when you right click within a web page, you >get a menu that contains options like Back, Forward, View Source, >Print, Refresh, Copy Background, Save Background, etc. There is an >option in there that I don't want, that I want to remove. > >Ken Stoker >Technology Commercialization >Information Systems Administrator >PH: (509) 375-3758 >FAX: (509) 375-6731 >E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] >Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Pop-up Context Menu > > >If the context menu is the bar with history and refresh icons just go >to > >a clear area on the right and right click. There is a then a menu to >remove icons or alter position. > >Stoker, Kenneth E wrote: > > > >>Everyone, >> >>Somehow, there is an item in the context menu in IE on a laptop I >>recently received that I want to remove. I have no idea how it got >>there and it isn't one of the standard options, so I want to remove it. >> >> > > > >>Does anyone know how to do this? Where are the context menu options >>stored/maintained? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Ken Stoker >>Technology Commercialization >>Information Systems Administrator >>PH: (509) 375-3758 >>FAX: (509) 375-6731 >>E-mail: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com