From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 2 05:03:14 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:03:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <20040802100312.0E8AF254F37@smtp.nildram.co.uk> This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming to it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving this? Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load for All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to achieve this. Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it runs fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that all about? And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To really achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't be difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to do this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 2 05:27:10 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:27:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE3F@ALCUXB> If you install something as the admin, you should be able to see and use it as all other users unless it specifies not to in the set-up, so yes, copying the shortcut will work (usually). Normally the software will install to the "all users" part of documents and settings/start menu, so you won't need to do that. I don't know about Norton, except that I don't use it. I've never had any problem with McAfee and multiple users on the same box though. You can right click on the desktop, turn active desktop on and remove all icons from the screen, or you can do it via Active Directory (don't know where though, I imagine it's part of the security settings). HTH Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2004 11:03 To: Dba Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming to it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving this? Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load for All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to achieve this. Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it runs fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that all about? And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To really achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't be difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to do this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 2 06:12:32 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:12:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <20040802111229.ED0F52556B3@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks Jon So are you saying that the way a piece of software installs (to current user or all users) depends on the authors of that software? That there's nothing I can do at installation time to affect that? Because Office 97 definitely installs only to the current user. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Date: 02/08/04 11:06 > > If you install something as the admin, you should be able to see and use it > as all other users unless it specifies not to in the set-up, so yes, copying > the shortcut will work (usually). Normally the software will install to the > "all users" part of documents and settings/start menu, so you won't need to > do that. > > I don't know about Norton, except that I don't use it. I've never had any > problem with McAfee and multiple users on the same box though. > > You can right click on the desktop, turn active desktop on and remove all > icons from the screen, or you can do it via Active Directory (don't know > where though, I imagine it's part of the security settings). > > HTH > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 02 August 2004 11:03 > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > > This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming to > it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. > > What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level > user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at > setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving this? > Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only > Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load for > All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a > 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All > Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. > There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to > achieve this. > > Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm > going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it runs > fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it > does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to > update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that all > about? > > And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a > user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To really > achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use > TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is > TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? > > Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good > on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't be > difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to do > this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do > anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 2 06:15:41 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:15:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE46@ALCUXB> Yeah, I've seen some where it asks: Install for all users or current user (username)? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2004 12:13 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Thanks Jon So are you saying that the way a piece of software installs (to current user or all users) depends on the authors of that software? That there's nothing I can do at installation time to affect that? Because Office 97 definitely installs only to the current user. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Date: 02/08/04 11:06 > > If you install something as the admin, you should be able to see and use it > as all other users unless it specifies not to in the set-up, so yes, copying > the shortcut will work (usually). Normally the software will install to the > "all users" part of documents and settings/start menu, so you won't need to > do that. > > I don't know about Norton, except that I don't use it. I've never had any > problem with McAfee and multiple users on the same box though. > > You can right click on the desktop, turn active desktop on and remove all > icons from the screen, or you can do it via Active Directory (don't know > where though, I imagine it's part of the security settings). > > HTH > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 02 August 2004 11:03 > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > > This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming to > it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. > > What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level > user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at > setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving this? > Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only > Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load for > All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a > 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All > Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. > There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to > achieve this. > > Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm > going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it runs > fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it > does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to > update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that all > about? > > And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a > user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To really > achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use > TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is > TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? > > Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good > on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't be > difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to do > this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do > anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 2 07:41:08 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:41:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <20040802124105.E5E1B24DF32@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Yes I think I've seen software that does that too, but not any of the main software we use here (Office 97, Outlook 2000, Norton AV, Zetafax) for sure. As W2K was built on NT, and as NT had in-built support for multiple desktops this still doesn't feel like the professional solution to me, but maybe it's as good as W2K gets. And what about Outlook? Having installed it to Admin I can't just copy the shortcut because I need each user to have a different profile, store their PST or OST in different places etc. How do I do that neatly? Is there anything in Group Policies (never been there so just guessing) that addresses all this. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Date: 02/08/04 11:24 > > Yeah, I've seen some where it asks: > > Install for all users or current user (username)? > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 02 August 2004 12:13 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > > Thanks Jon > So are you saying that the way a piece of software installs (to current user > or all users) depends on the authors of that software? That there's nothing > I can do at installation time to affect that? Because Office 97 definitely > installs only to the current user. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > Date: 02/08/04 11:06 > > > > > If you install something as the admin, you should be able to see and use > it > > as all other users unless it specifies not to in the set-up, so yes, > copying > > the shortcut will work (usually). Normally the software will install to > the > > &quot;all users&quot; part of documents and settings/start menu, so you > won't need to > > do that. > > > > I don't know about Norton, except that I don't use it. I've never had any > > problem with McAfee and multiple users on the same box though. > > > > You can right click on the desktop, turn active desktop on and remove all > > icons from the screen, or you can do it via Active Directory (don't know > > where though, I imagine it's part of the security settings). > > > > HTH > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > > Sent: 02 August 2004 11:03 > > To: Dba Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup &amp; Admin Principles > > > > > > This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming > to > > it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. > > > > What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level > > user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at > > setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving > this? > > Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only > > Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load > for > > All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a > > 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All > > Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to > me. > > There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to > > achieve this. > > > > Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm > > going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it > runs > > fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it > > does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to > > update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that > all > > about? > > > > And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a > > user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To > really > > achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use > > TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is > > TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? > > > > Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good > > on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't > be > > difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to > do > > this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do > > anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Aug 2 08:10:00 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:10:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE4B@ALCUXB> you can copy the shortcut for Outlook, it opens differently for each user, that's not a problem. Although we do use Office 2k here, maybe it's different, certainly for exchange... 2k is probably the best version of windows that I've used (Disclaimer: I haven't really played with XP yet so don't know for sure), it's really stable compared to the previous versions. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2004 13:41 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Yes I think I've seen software that does that too, but not any of the main software we use here (Office 97, Outlook 2000, Norton AV, Zetafax) for sure. As W2K was built on NT, and as NT had in-built support for multiple desktops this still doesn't feel like the professional solution to me, but maybe it's as good as W2K gets. And what about Outlook? Having installed it to Admin I can't just copy the shortcut because I need each user to have a different profile, store their PST or OST in different places etc. How do I do that neatly? Is there anything in Group Policies (never been there so just guessing) that addresses all this. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Date: 02/08/04 11:24 > > Yeah, I've seen some where it asks: > > Install for all users or current user (username)? > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 02 August 2004 12:13 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > > Thanks Jon > So are you saying that the way a piece of software installs (to current user > or all users) depends on the authors of that software? That there's nothing > I can do at installation time to affect that? Because Office 97 definitely > installs only to the current user. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > Date: 02/08/04 11:06 > > > > > If you install something as the admin, you should be able to see and use > it > > as all other users unless it specifies not to in the set-up, so yes, > copying > > the shortcut will work (usually). Normally the software will install to > the > > &quot;all users&quot; part of documents and settings/start menu, so you > won't need to > > do that. > > > > I don't know about Norton, except that I don't use it. I've never had any > > problem with McAfee and multiple users on the same box though. > > > > You can right click on the desktop, turn active desktop on and remove all > > icons from the screen, or you can do it via Active Directory (don't know > > where though, I imagine it's part of the security settings). > > > > HTH > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > > Sent: 02 August 2004 11:03 > > To: Dba Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup &amp; Admin Principles > > > > > > This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming > to > > it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. > > > > What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level > > user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at > > setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving > this? > > Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only > > Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load > for > > All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a > > 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All > > Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to > me. > > There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to > > achieve this. > > > > Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm > > going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it > runs > > fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it > > does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to > > update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that > all > > about? > > > > And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a > > user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To > really > > achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use > > TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is > > TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? > > > > Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good > > on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't > be > > difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to > do > > this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do > > anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Aug 3 01:03:03 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:33:03 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2011EBB@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Andy, I'll asume you're using a domain as you've mentioned group policies. Firstly, set up 2 or 3 DOMAIN groups such as: * WorkstationAdministrators * WorkstationPowerUsers * WorkstationUsers You then place these groups into their respective LOCAL groups on each machine (easily done using a standard image which you ghost onto all your wokstations) Once that is done you can place domain users into those DOMAIN groups as you see fit. Ie, place users such as yourself into the WorkstationAdministrators group and you'll automatically have admin privs on any workstation you log into. This makes it easy to alter uses privileges if you come across any applications which have issues with security privileges (which is pretty rare). Secondly, applications usually prompt you whether or not you want to install for 'the current user only' or for 'all users'. All this usually does is place a shortcut into the 'local users' profile or the 'all users' profile / desktop, which you can copy/move as desired. Thirdly, one common method is to setup a common or central 'Start Menu' list of programs (stored on the network somehwhere) and apply this to all users (set in the 'User Shell Folders' section of the registry). Once you work out where all your 'shortcuts' need to go and get them working then it should work for all users. Fourthly, group policy is an excellent method of controlling domain, user or machine based features, such as My Computer or Control Panel visibility. With starting outlook, there is no difference in the shortcut between users. There's only one executable. The profile that is used depends on the user that is logged in, and how you have configured the (Control Panel -> Mail) settings. PST files are commonly stored on the users share (often each users H: drive which is mapped to a directory on the network), however this is usually only for archived files. The primary storage for current emails is within the mail (exchange) server. 2K Pro / XP Pro are both designed with multiple users in mind, and they do a great job of it once you set up your environment correctly. Hope this gets you started. There's a fair bit to cover which is why there is a number of MS courses and certification on the subject... Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 2 August 2004 7:33 PM To: Dba Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, but I'm coming to it for first time so some help would be hugely appreciated. What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an admin level user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run software but not get at setup functionality. Simply put, what is the standard way of achieving this? Let's take our first software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only Admin can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it load for All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin temporarily and load it a 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or do I just copy the shortcut to the All Users desktop? Will that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. There must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct way to achieve this. Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably because I'm going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load that under Admin and it runs fine. I download the latest virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it does the business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try to update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has expired. What's that all about? And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' disappear from a user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear from the start menu? To really achieve a tightly stripped down UI in other words. Do you guys still use TweakUI for things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone recommend good on-line resources where I can read up and improve my knowledge (shouldn't be difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called upon before to do this kind of thing I've sort of muddled through when I've needed to do anything, but now I need to know more. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Aug 3 01:28:00 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:28:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2011EBB@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <003101c47923$061a9c40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Andrew That all sounds great advice. Many thanks for taking the trouble. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Haslett, Andrew > Sent: 03 August 2004 07:03 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > > Andy, I'll asume you're using a domain as you've mentioned > group policies. > > Firstly, set up 2 or 3 DOMAIN groups such as: > * WorkstationAdministrators > * WorkstationPowerUsers > * WorkstationUsers > > You then place these groups into their respective LOCAL > groups on each machine (easily done using a standard image > which you ghost onto all your > wokstations) > > Once that is done you can place domain users into those > DOMAIN groups as you see fit. Ie, place users such as > yourself into the WorkstationAdministrators group and you'll > automatically have admin privs on any workstation you log into. > > This makes it easy to alter uses privileges if you come > across any applications which have issues with security > privileges (which is pretty rare). > > Secondly, applications usually prompt you whether or not you > want to install for 'the current user only' or for 'all > users'. All this usually does is place a shortcut into the > 'local users' profile or the 'all users' profile / desktop, > which you can copy/move as desired. > > Thirdly, one common method is to setup a common or central > 'Start Menu' list of programs (stored on the network > somehwhere) and apply this to all users (set in the 'User > Shell Folders' section of the registry). Once you work out > where all your 'shortcuts' need to go and get them working > then it should work for all users. > > Fourthly, group policy is an excellent method of controlling > domain, user or machine based features, such as My Computer > or Control Panel visibility. > > With starting outlook, there is no difference in the shortcut > between users. There's only one executable. The profile that > is used depends on the user that is logged in, and how you > have configured the (Control Panel -> Mail) settings. PST > files are commonly stored on the users share (often each > users H: drive which is mapped to a directory on the > network), however this is usually only for archived files. > The primary storage for current emails is within the mail > (exchange) server. > > 2K Pro / XP Pro are both designed with multiple users in > mind, and they do a great job of it once you set up your > environment correctly. > > Hope this gets you started. There's a fair bit to cover > which is why there is a number of MS courses and > certification on the subject... > > Cheers, > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, 2 August 2004 7:33 PM > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Setup & Admin Principles > > This must be trivial for anyone with W2K admin experience, > but I'm coming to it for first time so some help would be > hugely appreciated. > > What we want to achieve is commonplace. A workstation with an > admin level user and an ordinary (or power) user who can run > software but not get at setup functionality. Simply put, what > is the standard way of achieving this? Let's take our first > software, Office 97. If I load it as Admin then only Admin > can see it to run it. Is there something I can do to make it > load for All Users? Or do I have to make my user an admin > temporarily and load it a 2nd time for them? Surely not. Or > do I just copy the shortcut to the All Users desktop? Will > that really work? Doesn't sound the 'proper' way to me. There > must be, I'm certain, a straightforward, simple and correct > way to achieve this. > > Certain software throws up specific problems, again probably > because I'm going about this wrong. Take Norton AV. I load > that under Admin and it runs fine. I download the latest > virus defs and run the downloaded EXE and it does the > business. Now I logon as my user account, but if I then try > to update the virus defs I'm told the subscription has > expired. What's that all about? > > And what does one use to make things like 'My Computer' > disappear from a user's desktop, or 'Control Panel' disappear > from the start menu? To really achieve a tightly stripped > down UI in other words. Do you guys still use TweakUI for > things like that, or is there an in-built mechanism? And is > TweakUI ok in a multiple user setting anyway? > > Does anyone have the answers to this lot? And can anyone > recommend good on-line resources where I can read up and > improve my knowledge (shouldn't be > difficult!) of this stuff. Because I've never been called > upon before to do this kind of thing I've sort of muddled > through when I've needed to do anything, but now I need to > know more. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > IMPORTANT > - PLEASE READ ******************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete this email from your system. > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They > are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for > loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from > their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or > not. _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 3 05:19:15 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:19:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <003101c47923$061a9c40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <000201c47943$54a7f680$6601a8c0@rock> Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a .NET example) If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those languages in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is a process not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for IsNot? I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. A. From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Aug 3 05:43:44 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:13:44 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2011EBD@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Think about it... If something is not nothing, how many other possibilities are there? Heaps. Do you think its more efficient to test for each of these other possibilities? -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2004 7:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a .NET example) If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those languages in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is a process not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for IsNot? I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From marcus at tsstech.com Tue Aug 3 06:09:04 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:09:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: I don't like the syntax either. It is harder to read. I would rather see the following... If IsNothing(m_Enter) = False Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If I think it is much easier to understand. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Think about it... If something is not nothing, how many other possibilities are there? Heaps. Do you think its more efficient to test for each of these other possibilities? -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2004 7:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a .NET example) If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those languages in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is a process not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for IsNot? I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Aug 3 06:11:11 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:11:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309288A1@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB703@ADGSERVER> I think IsNot is used because it is comparing an object to Nothing and <> would not work. I myself would prefer Is Not Nothing, but no one asked me. LOL. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a .NET example) If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those languages in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is a process not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for IsNot? I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Aug 3 06:17:25 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:17:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB703@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB703@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <6115176372.20040803131725@cactus.dk> Hi Bobby and Arthur > I think IsNot is used because it is comparing an object to Nothing and <> > would not work. > I myself would prefer Is Not Nothing, but no one asked me. LOL. I would have preferred If Not m_Enter Is Nothing Then m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) End If Can't see what improvement "IsNot" brings ... No one asked me. /gustav > Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a .NET example) > If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then > m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) > End If > What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those languages in > which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne pas)? > Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past and this > syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as "to each their > own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is a process not a static > object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we want to preserve > the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for IsNot? > I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Aug 3 10:04:51 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:04:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <000201c47943$54a7f680$6601a8c0@rock> References: <003101c47923$061a9c40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> <000201c47943$54a7f680$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <20040803100451.467527999.serbach@new.rr.com> >> I realize that language is a process not a static object, but sheesh. << Arthur, the sensitive Candian flower that blooms and fades all too quickly in the tundra spring... Actually, I've just started on a conversion project from Access to .NET, so I haven't run into that particular operator as yet. I suspect that my guts will be clenching and unclenching as this project unfolds while I get used to ADO.NET, ASP.NET, VB.NET, IIS, the .NET platform, and all the rest of the .NET thingies lurking about. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 3 10:37:27 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:37:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Optimal use of multiple ancient boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004401c4796f$c877c640$6601a8c0@rock> Thanks! I'll give all this some careful consideration and start swapping parts :) Incidentally, I just bought an LG dvd+cd burner/player for only $119 CDN. I'm now eyeing the boxes deciding where to plant it. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Optimal use of multiple ancient boxes Arthur, I concur with Gustav. It is the method I use in my office. I have 3 workstations, a mobile unit (laptop) and an older Dell server with 1GB RAM and four hard drives, 3 9GB SCSI and 1 120GB ATA). Tape backup unit is on the server. Printing runs off the server. Files are kept on the big drive on the server. I only use local files when do DTP/Graphics work and when done send it to the server's shred drive. SQL is on the server. Being that are only two users at any given time on my office network the server can handle this. Also backups are scheduled at night so I never see the drag it causes (unless I'm working late). Using the server for printing really makes a difference! My CD burning is done on #2 workstation (which also runs my MusicMatch Jukebox). Burning really drags application performance down and I wouldn't be able to work efficiently on the workstation while burning a CD. I would add that I use a KVM switch so that I only need to have one Keyboard/Monitor/Mouse for the whole lot. I can also share USB devices through my KVM. I have units like zip drives shared off of the server because I think that might get a bit odd trying to switch between them with the KVM. (Inevitably I'd start writing to a zip disk switch workstations and try writing form there too!) When servicing clients PCs and able to bring them offsite I hook them into the KVM also. Once I'm certain they're safe I can add them to the network either via cable or wireless - whichever they have available. HTH John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Optimal use of multiple ancient boxes Hi Arthur Sounds more like a command center than the workplace of ours ... Anyway, if the Compaq server is up to speed, keep it while it is OK. As for the disks, the minimum size today for new install is 36 GB which means that 18 GB drives are pretty cheap and 9 GB are only available as surplus suppliers. As for your setup I would recommend having one or some machines as servers (file and print; and anything else: database, ftp, web) and one or some machines as workstations. The mix is determined by your demand, but the idea is to split the two functions and skip all peer-to-peer connections because that clears up the situation: where is what? It will always be on a server. Further, you can install or reinstall any workstation without interfering with another workstation. As for the setup of server and users I believe tutorials are available around if no list members are at hand (William knows about the Windows server). This is not my area so I don't. It's a good idea to move some specialized functions like cd-burning to another machine than your primary workstation. If you need access to all email for all user accounts from all workstations, you need a mail server. I (and Stuart I'm sure) will recommend Mercury/32 which is extremely modest regarding hardware. /gustav > Date: 2004-07-28 19:54 > As a member of all the dba lists, I'm all too aware that I'm not the > sharpest knife in the drawer :) So in that spirit, I'd like to poll > the members on this question: > Given X PCs (in my case 3), none SOTA (state of the art), how should I > be thinking of distributing tasks and resources (and also users) > across them? So far my tendency has been to put the fancy stuff (such > as dvd+cd > burner) on the fastest box, my development machine. But I'm beginning to > think that this is stupid; that I should move the burner to one of the > slow boxes (they're all quick enough to run wxp), so that I'm not > wasting cycles on my development box doing things like backing up data > to the dvd or violating various music copyrights :) The old boxes don't > do much more than sit there, most of the time. They both run different > versions of Linux as well as wxp, but I only play around with Linux, I'm > far from expert in its use -- it's just a learning experience for me. > I should mention that I also have a pretty ancient Compaq server, with > RAID and twin 400-Mz CPUs, that runs Win Advanced Server 2k. Mostly it > runs nothing but SQL Server 2000 and the 2005 beta. It has mere 18GB > hard disks and that's not likely to change, given the cost of > replacing 5 drives. > 1. I'd like to add Terminal Services to the server so I can > demonstrate to clients how that works when running an Access app. 2. I > want to set up an ftp server (now that I finally understand how to > make it work behind a firewall! Like I said, not the sharpest knife). > Should I put it on the server? There aren't a lot of free GB there, > but I could easily point the server to look for its files on another > machine where there is a big disk available. The ftp server is not > really for public consumption; more like various clients, project > collaborators, colleagues and friends -- passworded entry, no > anonymous login, users profiled to grant and deny various directories > -- that sort of thing. 3. My three boxes are located in a U-shape so > that I just spin 90 degrees and address each one. I try to install > apps "chronologically" according to the abilities of the boxes, i.e., > the oldest apps run on the slowest box (Access 97 is installed only on > the oldest box) and conversely. Some necessary things are installed on > every box (i.e., Office). 4. I built this "notwork" up step by step, > with virtually no knowledge of how to set up a network. The result, as > you might guess, sucks. I could bore you further with the details, but > instead I'd rather ask how I get from this mess to where I want to be: > a) any user can use any machine, and get her/his profile, > directory access, Outlook.pst, etc. > b) currently it's all screwed up; from one particular box I > can see everything I need to see. Every other box sees parts of the > configuration, and none sees all. I think there is a wizard that will > let me copy the good config to all the other boxes, but I forget what > it's called. > c) should the server contain the instances of software such as > Office, so that I update only one instance and every user hits that > single instance using a shortcut? I.e., shortcut to > \\server\folder\msaccess.exe "MDB2hit". I confess that I have no idea > how this stuff is done. I have worked in places where it was already > working when I got there, so I didn't learn the details. What I knew > was that I could log on from any workstation and get my Office menu, > my Outlook file, my database tools and so on. Didn't matter which > station I used. I entered my uid and pswd and that was that. That's > what I want to build here at home. I realize that there's an issue > lurking within: what happens when I open Outlook from Station A, don't > close it, and then open it from Station B? I don't know. Maybe the > rule is that I have to close station A before opening B. In the ideal > world, I wouldn't have to think about this -- each station's instance > would automatically refresh. > 5. I screwed everything up in the various chronological installations. > When Setup asked me for a domain name, I thought that it meant I > needed to have an existing URL. On another box it's registered under > WorkGroup. I want to blow all these definitions away and create domain > "D" and then place all the boxes in said domain, so that any user can > logon to any box and see her stuff, according to her profile (i.e. > users Arthur and Audra administrators and can do anything, while users > Howard and Denny are mere lUsers and cannot shoot themselves in the > foot). > How can I get from here to there? Do I have to nuke everything and > everyone and rebuild from scratch? > Any advice from gurus who can turn "notworks" into "networks" > profoundly appreciated. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From MPorter at acsalaska.com Tue Aug 3 12:52:10 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:52:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4BA9@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> I have seen guidelines for coding style which dictates that the most likely answer of an If...Then statement should be an affirmative. Using that rationale and the example below, the most likely answer for the If statement is that it is not 'Nothing'. That kind of a guideline can produce oddly syntaxed code like this. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:19 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code > > > Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a > .NET example) > > If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then > m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) > End If > > What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those > languages > in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne > pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past > and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as > "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is > a process > not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we > want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for > IsNot? > > I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** 3/8/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Aug 3 15:30:40 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (bchacc at san.rr.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:30:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: <299840-22004823203040951@M2W053.mail2web.com> I use Not Isull an Not IsDate and Not IsNumeric. Same thing? Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: Porter, Mark MPorter at acsalaska.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:52:10 -0800 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code I have seen guidelines for coding style which dictates that the most likely answer of an If...Then statement should be an affirmative. Using that rationale and the example below, the most likely answer for the If statement is that it is not 'Nothing'. That kind of a guideline can produce oddly syntaxed code like this. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:19 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code > > > Does anyone but me find this syntax odious? (Lifted from a > .NET example) > > If m_Enter IsNot Nothing Then > m_Enter.Invoke(sender, e) > End If > > What is this "IsNot Nothing" crap? Have we descended to those > languages > in which any negative requires a pairing (i.e. as in French, ne > pas)? Why not test the positive case instead? I guess my time has past > and this syntax is now considered kewl. But it makes me hurl, just as > "to each their own" makes me hurl. I realize that language is > a process > not a static object, but sheesh. "IsNot Nothing"? Come on! Even if we > want to preserve the negative attitude, can't we substitute "<>" for > IsNot? > > I'm beginning to hate where programming is going. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > **************************************************************************** ******* 3/8/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 3 15:50:05 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:50:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4BA9@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: <009f01c4799b$749db1c0$6601a8c0@rock> Well, while we're bitching (or at least I am bitching) about syntax and semantics, I would prefer to lose the word Nothing in favour of the more classical Void (as distinguished from Null), but I suppose that just makes me a language pedant. So be it. I also despise the unary equals operator, i.e. it's valid to type into an object's event property, "=MyFunction()". Mind you, I despise "to each their own" as well, so I guess I'm a pedant. A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code I have seen guidelines for coding style which dictates that the most likely answer of an If...Then statement should be an affirmative. Using that rationale and the example below, the most likely answer for the If statement is that it is not 'Nothing'. That kind of a guideline can produce oddly syntaxed code like this. Mark From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 3 15:54:55 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:54:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <299840-22004823203040951@M2W053.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <00a901c4799c$2169d6e0$6601a8c0@rock> A la Gustav, they didn't ask me either, but I would frankly prefer these constructs: If Type(myVar) <> "Date" 'or better, <> vbaDate If Value(myVar) <> NULL If Type(myVar) <> "Numeric" 'or better, <> vbaNumeric And while we're on it, would someone kindly provide examples of the correct use of IsEmtpy()? This one has always baffled me. TIA, A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of bchacc at san.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:31 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code I use Not Isull an Not IsDate and Not IsNumeric. Same thing? Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 3 17:00:36 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:00:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <00a901c4799c$2169d6e0$6601a8c0@rock> References: <299840-22004823203040951@M2W053.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <411097A4.31833.192E32BE@lexacorp.com.pg> On 3 Aug 2004 at 16:54, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A la Gustav, they didn't ask me either, but I would frankly prefer these > constructs: > > If Type(myVar) <> "Date" 'or better, <> vbaDate > If Value(myVar) <> NULL > If Type(myVar) <> "Numeric" 'or better, <> vbaNumeric > > And while we're on it, would someone kindly provide examples of the > correct use of IsEmtpy()? This one has always baffled me. > Here's one. Without the "If IsEmpty()..." line, this function returns an error if called for the first time with no varInput: Static Function StoredVariable(Optional varInput As Variant) As Variant Dim varStore As Variant 'Initialise the variant if the function is called 'the first time with no Input If IsEmpty(varStore) Then varStore = Null 'Update the store if the Input is present If Not IsMissing(varInput) Then varStore = varInput 'return the stored value StoredVariable = varStore End Function -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 4 02:20:14 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:20:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <009f01c4799b$749db1c0$6601a8c0@rock> References: <009f01c4799b$749db1c0$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <581121572.20040804092014@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur > .. so I guess I'm a pedant. You are. But take it as a positive label - there is too much sloppiness around. /gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Aug 4 03:18:10 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:18:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code In-Reply-To: <411097A4.31833.192E32BE@lexacorp.com.pg> References: <299840-22004823203040951@M2W053.mail2web.com> <411097A4.31833.192E32BE@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <334597621.20040804101810@cactus.dk> Hi Stuart At least in Access 97 it doesn't fail, it just returns VarType 0 which is - surprise - Empty. And who say Null is the requested return value for an unknown value? Further, you can easily deal with an empty if you have to: varEmpty & Null => Empty varEmpty + Null => Null varEmpty & "xy" => "xy" varEmpty + "xy" => "xy" varEmpty & 6789 => "6789" varEmpty + 6789 => 6789 (number) Thus, as you probably wish to have a return value of a specific type, the use of the plus sign will be the general approach: varValue = varEmpty + Null strValue = varEmpty + vbNullString lngValue = varEmpty + 0 intValue = varEmpty + 0 curValue = varEmpty + 0 booValue = varEmpty + False and so on for the remaining numeric types. For date/time there is no "neutral" value; you will have to decide yourself, for example: datValue = varEmpty + Now() For your function, you can check if you have a stored value: If IsEmpty(StoredVariable) = True Then ' No stored value End If This also answers Arthur's question: IsEmpty() checks if a variable of type Variant has not been assigned any value including Null. This is useful as a variant carries no default value as variables of other types do. For a variable, varValue, of type Variant the general test is: If IsEmpty(varValue) = True Then ' No value including Null has yet been assigned to varValue. End If /gustav >> And while we're on it, would someone kindly provide examples of the >> correct use of IsEmtpy()? This one has always baffled me. > Here's one. Without the "If IsEmpty()..." line, this function returns an error > if called for the first time with no varInput: > Static Function StoredVariable(Optional varInput As Variant) As Variant > Dim varStore As Variant > 'Initialise the variant if the function is called > 'the first time with no Input > If IsEmpty(varStore) Then varStore = Null > 'Update the store if the Input is present > If Not IsMissing(varInput) Then varStore = varInput > 'return the stored value > StoredVariable = varStore > End Function From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 4 05:57:58 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:57:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Message-ID: <20040804105755.BE01C24D5F4@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Another W2K question. W2K Pro on NT4 Server network. If we have a network policy of allowing any user to log on at any w/s, but on a specific group of w/s's want to restrict who can login, how do we do that? We've added our allowed users to the w/s as user profiles but can't see how to stop other domain users just walking up and logging-on. Guest is already disabled by the way cos I thought that did it. If it's a Local Policy we need to set then which one? Anyone? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 4 06:14:24 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:14:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> Dear Group, I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: 1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. 2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. 3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Message created with Bloomba Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 4 06:34:07 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:34:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, You wouldn't happen to have an old vga video card to pop into the system and see if that works, would you? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Dear Group, I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: 1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. 2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. 3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Message created with Bloomba Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 4 06:54:55 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (=?utf-8?B?Sm9uIFR5ZGRh?=) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:54:55 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IFtkYmEtVGVjaF0gRmxha3kgc3lzdGVt?= Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE7D@ALCUXB> or an old PCI video card? that might be worth a try. It'd tell you if the agp slot was dead at least. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 04 August 2004 12:34 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Steve, You wouldn't happen to have an old vga video card to pop into the system and see if that works, would you? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Dear Group, I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: 1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. 2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. 3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Message created with Bloomba Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 4 07:18:41 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:18:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Message-ID: <20040804121838.A947E257562@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Sorry, cracked it myself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Dba Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Date: 04/08/04 10:59 > > Another W2K question. > > W2K Pro on NT4 Server network. > > If we have a network policy of allowing any user to log on at any w/s, but > on a specific group of w/s's want to restrict who can login, how do we do > that? We've added our allowed users to the w/s as user profiles but can't > see how to stop other domain users just walking up and logging-on. Guest is > already disabled by the way cos I thought that did it. If it's a Local > Policy we need to set then which one? > > Anyone? > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From pharold at proftesting.com Wed Aug 4 07:49:43 2004 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:49:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <001101c47a21$83b76440$082da8c0@D58BT131> With the power supply bad it would be helpful if you knew what caused it to die. Maybe a surge, etc? With that, about any component could be affected. You mentioned you changed the video card - how about a different monitor? Or a combination of the two? Perry Harold -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Dear Group, I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: 1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. 2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. 3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Message created with Bloomba Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Aug 4 08:11:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:11:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE7F@ALCUXB> ooh, how did you do it? I was looking for it myself after you asked, but I got held up with actual work :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 04 August 2004 13:19 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Sorry, cracked it myself. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Dba Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Date: 04/08/04 10:59 > > Another W2K question. > > W2K Pro on NT4 Server network. > > If we have a network policy of allowing any user to log on at any w/s, but > on a specific group of w/s's want to restrict who can login, how do we do > that? We've added our allowed users to the w/s as user profiles but can't > see how to stop other domain users just walking up and logging-on. Guest is > already disabled by the way cos I thought that did it. If it's a Local > Policy we need to set then which one? > > Anyone? > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 4 08:58:01 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:58:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <001101c47a21$83b76440$082da8c0@D58BT131> References: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> <001101c47a21$83b76440$082da8c0@D58BT131> Message-ID: <20040804085801.1067900096.serbach@new.rr.com> Perry, Yes, I can try a different monitor. I might dig up another video card as Jon and Jim suggested. Thanks! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) From marcus at tsstech.com Wed Aug 4 10:18:32 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:18:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: Does this card have a dual monitor option(even if you aren't using it), if so the computer may be confused about which output to use for display. I can give your more details if you need them. Scott Marcus -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Dear Group, I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: 1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. 2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. 3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Message created with Bloomba Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Aug 4 12:05:09 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:05:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040804120509.947538408.serbach@new.rr.com> Scott, The video card does, indeed, have a dual monitor option. I use it myself on my workstation. Great for development. I have one of those DVI-to-VGA gender blenders for my second monitor. Works champion. However, my wife's workstation has only one monitor and the DVI output on the card wasn't used. No problem up till now. When I installed my card in her system the funky behavior didn't change, at least as far as I could tell. I'm going to try a different monitor later today. Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Aug 4 13:52:14 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:52:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE7F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <006801c47a54$28b81250$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Erm, sorry Jon. Not at m/c now, but I think it was: -Local Security Policy -User Rights Assignments -Log On Locally Remove Everyone etc and add specific users -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 04 August 2004 14:11 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > > > ooh, how did you do it? I was looking for it myself after you > asked, but I got held up with actual work :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 04 August 2004 13:19 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > > > Sorry, cracked it myself. > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > Date: 04/08/04 10:59 > > > > > Another W2K question. > > > > W2K Pro on NT4 Server network. > > > > If we have a network policy of allowing any user to log on > at any w/s, > > but on a specific group of w/s's want to restrict who can > login, how > > do we do that? We've added our allowed users to the w/s as user > > profiles but can't see how to stop other domain users just > walking up > > and logging-on. Guest > is > > already disabled by the way cos I thought that did it. If > it's a Local > > Policy we need to set then which one? > > > > Anyone? > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The > information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient > only and are subject to the legal notice available on request > from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a > trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: > Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From marcus at tsstech.com Wed Aug 4 14:12:48 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:12:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: Steve, Instead of trying a different monitor, hook up the additional monitor and see if you get the login screen on the second monitor. You could then go to the screen properties and turn off the "extend desktop" option. You could also just switch which plug the monitor is in on the back of the card. I've seen this happen before. The best I could pin it down to was a piece of software that turned on the "extend my desktop to the second monitor" option. I had to uninstall that software to permanently fix it. Maybe this is what is happening, maybe not. Scott Marcus -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Scott, The video card does, indeed, have a dual monitor option. I use it myself on my workstation. Great for development. I have one of those DVI-to-VGA gender blenders for my second monitor. Works champion. However, my wife's workstation has only one monitor and the DVI output on the card wasn't used. No problem up till now. When I installed my card in her system the funky behavior didn't change, at least as far as I could tell. I'm going to try a different monitor later today. Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Thu Aug 5 04:40:01 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:10:01 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201393F@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Bit confused as to this issue.. So its just the syntax we're discussing, not not the logic? I still don't see an issue with testing for nothing... The original post suggested we t'est for the positive' instead, wihich I disagree with. Consider: If Ralph IS NOT 'AtHome' Then 'Ring Ralph on Mobile' End If as oppsoed to: If Ralph IS 'InCar' OR Ralph IS 'AtWork' OR Ralph IS 'AtTheShop' OR Ralph IS 'AtTheFooty' etc... .. Its obviously better to test for the negative in some cases... Cheers, A _____ From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: Wed 4/08/2004 4:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Hi Arthur > .. so I guess I'm a pedant. You are. But take it as a positive label - there is too much sloppiness around. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 5 04:44:46 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:44:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AE97@ALCUXB> Thanks Andy, have stopped some unwanted logins now.... Muahahahaha! *Borrows Drew's EVILGRIN* Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 04 August 2004 19:52 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question Erm, sorry Jon. Not at m/c now, but I think it was: -Local Security Policy -User Rights Assignments -Log On Locally Remove Everyone etc and add specific users -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 04 August 2004 14:11 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > > > ooh, how did you do it? I was looking for it myself after you > asked, but I got held up with actual work :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 04 August 2004 13:19 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > > > Sorry, cracked it myself. > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] W2K Security Question > Date: 04/08/04 10:59 > > > > > Another W2K question. > > > > W2K Pro on NT4 Server network. > > > > If we have a network policy of allowing any user to log on > at any w/s, > > but on a specific group of w/s's want to restrict who can > login, how > > do we do that? We've added our allowed users to the w/s as user > > profiles but can't see how to stop other domain users just > walking up > > and logging-on. Guest > is > > already disabled by the way cos I thought that did it. If > it's a Local > > Policy we need to set then which one? > > > > Anyone? > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The > information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient > only and are subject to the legal notice available on request > from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a > trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: > Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Thu Aug 5 04:46:28 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:16:28 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2013940@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> This may sound strange but test your memory sticks. Its amazing what faulty memory can do. I had similar issues to yourself - spent about a week trying different video cards / slots/ monitors, and it ended up being a faulty memory stick. If you've got a couple, pull one out and see if you still have problems. Swap them over one at a time and repeat. There's also memory testing software out these that you can set to run overnight. Good luck! A _____ From: Scott Marcus [mailto:marcus at tsstech.com] Sent: Thu 5/08/2004 4:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Steve, Instead of trying a different monitor, hook up the additional monitor and see if you get the login screen on the second monitor. You could then go to the screen properties and turn off the "extend desktop" option. You could also just switch which plug the monitor is in on the back of the card. I've seen this happen before. The best I could pin it down to was a piece of software that turned on the "extend my desktop to the second monitor" option. I had to uninstall that software to permanently fix it. Maybe this is what is happening, maybe not. Scott Marcus -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com ]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Scott, The video card does, indeed, have a dual monitor option. I use it myself on my workstation. Great for development. I have one of those DVI-to-VGA gender blenders for my second monitor. Works champion. However, my wife's workstation has only one monitor and the DVI output on the card wasn't used. No problem up till now. When I installed my card in her system the funky behavior didn't change, at least as far as I could tell. I'm going to try a different monitor later today. Thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 5 07:15:16 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:15:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system References: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <411224D4.1020501@torchlake.com> Wow, Steve, That's a real pain alright. The only time I had similar behavior was on my laptop after I upgraded from the WinME operating system to WinXP. The driver for my display screen fought somehow with WinXP. I did keep losing the mouse and finally got the infamous "white screen." Only by F8-ing my way into the menu system and using the Safe Mode and the VGA mode could I get anywhere at all. The solution ended up being sequential upgrades in the BIOS and the video drivers (some had to be done in a certain order). It took me about a week, but it got the thing fixed. The system has remained stable for the last two and a half years. Don't know if there is anything in my experience that might be relevant to yours. Sure hope you get it resolved soon. Best regards, Tina Steven W. Erbach wrote: >Dear Group, > >I've had trouble with my wife, Janet's, workstation over the past few days and I wonder if anyone here has any ideas. > >Started with the power supply. That's kaput. So I cannibalized our NetWare server for its p/s, which turned out to be beefier. So far so good. > >But when the system (Windows 2000, 800 MHz AMD Duron, 512 MB) starts it goes to a black screen with a mouse cursor. That is, once past the big Windows 2000 white splash screen, the screen goes black but I see the mouse pointer. The keyboard is disabled (NumLock, CapsLock, Ctrl-Alt-Del -- nothing) and there are just tiny bits of disk activity; nothing like the normal boot up sequence where both CD drives and the diskette drive are polled, or whatever you call it, while Windows gets going. > >It will start up in Safe Mode. I used that to perform a Trend Micro Housecall on-line virus check on all four drives. Clean. > >In Safe Mode I downloaded an updated driver for the video card, a Radeon 7500. I was able to install the driver and the accompanying ATI graphics control software package. But when I rebooted I again got the black screen and cursor after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. > >I then tried the "Enable VGA" option on the F8 menu. That got me to a "normal" login, except at 640x480 16 color resolution. Everything works but for the resolution and color depth. > >Somehow I managed to increase the screen resolution to 800 x 600 and I could restart the system normally and get to the Windows login prompt at 800 x 600. But: > >1) the first time through the keyboard locked while I was typing the password. Power off. >2) the second time through I got past the password stage (I logged in as Administrator) but I lost the mouse the first time I tried to right-click on the desktop to change the resolution. Power off. >3) the third time through I was able to get the Display properties dialog box and I attempted to change the color depth to 32-bit. The changes were accepted and the display reset itself; but while the desktop icons looked normal, there were other items on the desktop that didn't look like they were at the normal color depth. Then I lost the keyboard and mouse. > >During all of this there were no error messages of any kind. > >I finally went back to "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu and I un-installed the video drivers completely to get the PC to detect the video card as new hardware. So I went back to the original video drivers off the CD; and when I started the machine normally I was back to the black screen with mouse right after the white Windows 2000 splash screen. > >I went into Safe Mode again and re-tried installing the latest video drivers, but now I got my first error message in all of this: "Setup was unable to find components that can be installed on your current hardware or software configuration. Please make sure you have the required hardware or software." > >Then I tried another video card. My own workstation has the identical card. The only difference now (since I apparently didn't have the complete set of video drivers installed) was that when I chose "Enable VGA" from the F8 menu, I got a completely black screen with no mouse cursor. However, I could tell that the normal boot operation was being performed because the CDs and the diskette drive were polled. I then figured I could use Ctrl-Alt-Del and type in the Administrator password. Sure enough, I heard the normal Windows startup sound and the little "woof" sound that WinPatrol makes, and there was all the usual disk activity -- but a black screen. The monitor is one of the usual power-saving sort and I could see that it was acting normally: the power light was green, not yellow. So I just pressed the Windows key, U for Shutdown and pressed Enter to restart. That, too, worked and the computer shut down normally. > >Sorry for the length of this message. Does any of this suggest anything to you? All of the above was stretched over a couple of days and some hours of trying and re-trying and making note of behaviors. Is the AGP slot dead? I put my video card back into my workstation and everything's fine on my system. Is this motherboard related? I'm at a loss. > > >Regards, > >Steve Erbach >Scientific Marketing >Neenah, WI >920-969-0504 > >Message created with Bloomba > >Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Aug 5 07:37:25 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:37:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A DELL TECH Support Story References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2011EA6@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> <1863330208.20040729093909@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <41122A05.9000502@torchlake.com> Hmmm - I've had absolutely excellent service and support from Dell. They have directed me to the particular drivers I might need, and they have recommended bits of hardward from other vendors to solve data retrieval issues (as in when my father spilled his coffee with Bailey's Irish Cream into my laptop keyboard, killing the vulnerable motherboard below), they have delivered my computers on time and shipped my peripherals promptly. Actually, I buy only Dell or locally built by a craftsman I know well. Different experiences. Tina Gustav Brock wrote: >Hi Andrew > >We had a client with a notebook. Some drivers were needed and we had >to fight our way through the Dell "support" using all our "pro" power. > >If the client had been a user on his own, I'm not sure he could have >managed. That's one of the reason we recommend not buying Dell. >The unreliable delivery times is another. > >/gustav > > > > >>Date: 2004-07-29 04:10 >> >> > > > >>Well they're not going to support downloading drivers off the net are they? >>It would be stupid if they did. >> >> > > > >>That's why they provide the CD. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 5 08:28:13 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:28:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040805082813.680865105.serbach@new.rr.com> Scott, >> Instead of trying a different monitor, hook up the additional monitor and see if you get the login screen on the second monitor. << Well, I hooked up the second monitor using the DVI-VGA gender blender (just as I do on my own system) and, whaddaya know, BOTH monitors came up displaying the same desktop on both. I went into the ATI software control panel and disabled the second monitor (the one I'd added), then shut down and disconnected the 2nd monitor and started back up and, voil?! Ze moniteur originale, she works! Beats my pair of jacks. Thanks for steering me onto something that worked, Scott. Steve Erbach "IBM had every chance to end the Windows monopoly with OS/2 but shot itself in the foot, ankle, shin, knee, and hip, reloading each time, before giving up." - Jerry Pournelle From marcus at tsstech.com Thu Aug 5 08:47:24 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:47:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: That's good news. Your problem just sounded similar to a problem I had several weeks ago. Mine kept switching when a certain (older)DVD software player was started. We weren't using this software regularly, I had something newer installed and by accident another user was running the older software. I just uninstalled the older software and haven't had the problem since. Scott -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Scott, >> Instead of trying a different monitor, hook up the additional monitor and see if you get the login screen on the second monitor. << Well, I hooked up the second monitor using the DVI-VGA gender blender (just as I do on my own system) and, whaddaya know, BOTH monitors came up displaying the same desktop on both. I went into the ATI software control panel and disabled the second monitor (the one I'd added), then shut down and disconnected the 2nd monitor and started back up and, voil?! Ze moniteur originale, she works! Beats my pair of jacks. Thanks for steering me onto something that worked, Scott. Steve Erbach "IBM had every chance to end the Windows monopoly with OS/2 but shot itself in the foot, ankle, shin, knee, and hip, reloading each time, before giving up." - Jerry Pournelle _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 5 08:51:49 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <411224D4.1020501@torchlake.com> References: <20040804061424.2099932262.serbach@new.rr.com> <411224D4.1020501@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <20040805085149.439175112.serbach@new.rr.com> Tina, Thank you for your good wishes. Things, indeed, seem back to normal with the tip I got from Scott. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things." - John Kerry ( http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html ) From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Aug 5 08:57:41 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:57:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2013940@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2013940@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <20040805085741.1786798511.serbach@new.rr.com> Andrew, >> There's also memory testing software out these that you can set to run overnight. << Do you mean something different, say, from Norton Utilities? I found a web site, www.pcpitstop.com , that has on-line tests of your PC; but nothing along the lines of an overnight test of memory. I just purchased Gibson's latest, SpinRite 6. Just before all of my video problems occured (and just before the power supply went phhfftt!) I ran SpinRite 6 on my wife's C: drive. Took 16 hours to do the most thorough test! I also discovered that the on-board IDE controller only has a sustained throughput of about 2.5 MB per second. Yuck! Anyway, the video problem has resolved itself, thanks to Scott's suggestion. But I'd appreciate anything you've got to say about PC hardware testing software suites in general. What do you use? What's available? Thanks, Steve Erbach From marcus at tsstech.com Thu Aug 5 09:03:38 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Message-ID: Steve, Here is a site with some great FREE software tools (this one saved my brothers bacon for a crashed hard drive)... http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/UK/welcome.htm Also for checking memory... http://www.memtest86.com/ Scott From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Aug 5 09:04:24 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:04:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Flaky system In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30928F13@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB71C@ADGSERVER> Microsoft has a RAM tester at http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp A popular tester is Memtest 86+ at: http://www.memtest.org/ Memtest found some errors in my RAM that the MS product missed (assuming it was not a false positive). Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Flaky system Andrew, >> There's also memory testing software out these that you can set to >> run overnight. << Do you mean something different, say, from Norton Utilities? I found a web site, www.pcpitstop.com , that has on-line tests of your PC; but nothing along the lines of an overnight test of memory. I just purchased Gibson's latest, SpinRite 6. Just before all of my video problems occured (and just before the power supply went phhfftt!) I ran SpinRite 6 on my wife's C: drive. Took 16 hours to do the most thorough test! I also discovered that the on-board IDE controller only has a sustained throughput of about 2.5 MB per second. Yuck! Anyway, the video problem has resolved itself, thanks to Scott's suggestion. But I'd appreciate anything you've got to say about PC hardware testing software suites in general. What do you use? What's available? Thanks, Steve Erbach _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Aug 5 11:49:52 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:49:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30928F13@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB71F@ADGSERVER> Hi all, About 6 months ago, I built my current home pc. It consists of a P4 3.0Ghz, 1GB Corsair TwinX 3200 RAM, Asus P4C800-E Deluxe MB, Creative Audigy 2 ZS sound card, and an Antec True Power 480 PS. All the above were new. I used the HDs, Nic, and TI 4200 GPU from my old system. At the time, I could not get Memtest86+ v1.1 to run, it would lock up. I was trying to dual boot XP Pro with 98 (and eventually Linux), and while I got 98 installed, it would lock up. Norton ghost 2004 would also lock up. After I got XP up and running, there seemed to be no problems. I would occasionally (1-2 times/month) get a blue screen, but I figured that it was something that the kids did. Well, I went on to Corsair's forums the other day and started looking around. They recommended that someone running pretty much what I have to try testing their RAM at 2-3-3-5. So I switched from SPD to manual and set my memory at 2-3-3-5. MemTest86+ 1.2 did not lock up! But it did give a few errors. So I changed to 2-3-3-6 and let memtest run all night. It got through the full 12 tests 5 or 6 times with no errors. I also ran it once through Microsoft's RAM testing program without any errors (also no errors in one pass at 2-3-3-5). Is this a good setting for the RAM? If not, what should I be setting it at? I am not currently doing any over clocking. On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? Thanks, Bobby From chizotz at mchsi.com Thu Aug 5 12:44:00 2004 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:44:00 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Message-ID: <080520041744.19189.46cc@mchsi.com> I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But this one > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and it will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) Ron From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Aug 5 12:49:04 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:49:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30928F9F@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB720@ADGSERVER> Thanks Ron! Just what I wanted to hear. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of chizotz at mchsi.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But this one > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and it will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) Ron From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Aug 5 14:05:39 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:05:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. References: <080520041744.19189.46cc@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006501c47b1f$32b34ab0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these developers want, blood??? Doom was one of the best (and most important) games ever written. I wonder if they'll keep the same feature whereby you didn't need the installation CD to play it from on the new version? :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But this one > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and it will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) Ron _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Aug 5 14:32:44 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:32:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Message-ID: >> Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these developers want, blood??? << The computer gaming industry has always pushed the hardware development to the edge. It has been highly publicized (in certain circles) that the combined releases of DoomIII and the upcoming Half-Life2 are poised to create one of the biggest upgrade cycles in recent years. Based on my system specs which include a Geforce FX 5900, I have decided to forego an upgrade until the integration of PCI Express gets further into its release cycle. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these developers want, blood??? Doom was one of the best (and most important) games ever written. I wonder if they'll keep the same feature whereby you didn't need the installation CD to play it from on the new version? :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But this one > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and it will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) Ron _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Thu Aug 5 16:02:27 2004 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:02:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Message-ID: <080520042102.21333.115e@mchsi.com> CD is required for play :( However, if id is true to form, about a year from now they'll release a patch that will remove the requirement, unlike other game companies. Ron > Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these > developers want, blood??? > > Doom was one of the best (and most important) games ever written. I wonder > if they'll keep the same feature whereby you didn't need the installation CD > to play it from on the new version? :-) > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. > > > I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But > this > one > > > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? > > Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) > > It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and > vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and > it > will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Aug 5 16:04:36 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:04:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4BBE@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Actually, if it is my post you are mentioning, I said I ran across standards which suggested testing for the affirmative, not the 'positive' (and if I said 'positive', I really meant 'affirmative' and do apologize). For your first example below, it would be correct in this viewpoint if Ralph is usually out of the house. Again, it's not my convention. Rather one I've seen around which would sometimes explain odd double-negative logic. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, > Andrew > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:40 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code > > > Bit confused as to this issue.. > > So its just the syntax we're discussing, not not the logic? > > I still don't see an issue with testing for nothing... The > original post > suggested we t'est for the positive' instead, wihich I disagree with. > > Consider: > > If Ralph IS NOT 'AtHome' Then > 'Ring Ralph on Mobile' > End If > > as oppsoed to: > > If Ralph IS 'InCar' OR Ralph IS 'AtWork' OR Ralph IS > 'AtTheShop' OR Ralph IS > 'AtTheFooty' etc... > > .. Its obviously better to test for the negative in some cases... > > Cheers, > A > > _____ > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] > Sent: Wed 4/08/2004 4:50 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] On Odious Code > > > > Hi Arthur > > > .. so I guess I'm a pedant. > > You are. But take it as a positive label - there is too much > sloppiness around. > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete this email from your system. > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. 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ACS From chizotz at mchsi.com Thu Aug 5 16:10:46 2004 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:10:46 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Message-ID: <080520042110.24790.435c@mchsi.com> Oops, missed this first time. The real problem/bottleneck is the video card. The rest of the system is much more than adequate, but the game is so incredibly graphics-intense that it really needs one of the new cards with 256 MB video RAM and one of the latest graphics processors to run well. In fact, I understand that the "ultimate" mode in Doom 3 *requires* a video card with 512 MB video RAM, and those haven't even come out yet. But the system specs for Doom 3 are pretty wild too: nothing less than a P4 1.5 MHz, at least 384 MB RAM, and 2.2 GB of uncompressed drive space, and it does not run on anything less than Windows 2000. Ron > Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these > developers want, blood??? > > Doom was one of the best (and most important) games ever written. I wonder > if they'll keep the same feature whereby you didn't need the installation CD > to play it from on the new version? :-) > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. > > > I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But > this > one > > > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? > > Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) > > It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and > vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and > it > will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Aug 5 18:21:22 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:21:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. References: <080520042110.24790.435c@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001a01c47b42$ebc46070$0200a8c0@upstairs> wow, so I'd better hold off on that Alienware Area 51 for another few months then? :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. Oops, missed this first time. The real problem/bottleneck is the video card. The rest of the system is much more than adequate, but the game is so incredibly graphics-intense that it really needs one of the new cards with 256 MB video RAM and one of the latest graphics processors to run well. In fact, I understand that the "ultimate" mode in Doom 3 *requires* a video card with 512 MB video RAM, and those haven't even come out yet. But the system specs for Doom 3 are pretty wild too: nothing less than a P4 1.5 MHz, at least 384 MB RAM, and 2.2 GB of uncompressed drive space, and it does not run on anything less than Windows 2000. Ron > Eek, a 3ghz with 1gb of ram and it'll be a slide show??? What do these > developers want, blood??? > > Doom was one of the best (and most important) games ever written. I wonder > if they'll keep the same feature whereby you didn't need the installation CD > to play it from on the new version? :-) > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM timings question. > > > I don't know enough about RAM timing to address your other questions. But > this > one > > > On a side note, how do ya'll think that the 4200 might do on Doom 3? > > Ahhh, that one is more up my alley :) > > It will run just fine, at "high" quality settings at 800x600, decals on and > vsync enabled. Go any higher on the resolution or try ultimate quality and > it > will be a slideshow at best. This from direct experience last night :) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Aug 6 02:16:05 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:16:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Registry question In-Reply-To: <001a01c47b42$ebc46070$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <001601c47b85$3d6bac70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> W2K as usual. I want to edit the registry to lock down some functionality for a specific user on a machine. I feel, howeverr, that I'm in a tricky situation. AFAIK I can only edit a user's settings whilst logged on as them (i.e. via HKCU). So I have to make sure that that user can do a regedit. One of the reg changes I want is to remove the Run from the Start Menu. I can do that but once I do that how will I ever be able to get back in to change that user's reg settings? By definition if they can't edit the registry then neither can I when logged on as them. But neither can I edit HKCU for THEM when logged on as ME. Any ideas? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 6 07:53:47 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:53:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Registry question In-Reply-To: <001601c47b85$3d6bac70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <001a01c47b42$ebc46070$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <41140BFB.27455.4C19A4C@lexacorp.com.pg> On 6 Aug 2004 at 8:16, Andy Lacey wrote: > W2K as usual. I want to edit the registry to lock down some functionality > for a specific user on a machine. I feel, howeverr, that I'm in a tricky > situation. AFAIK I can only edit a user's settings whilst logged on as them > (i.e. via HKCU). So I have to make sure that that user can do a regedit. One > of the reg changes I want is to remove the Run from the Start Menu. I can do > that but once I do that how will I ever be able to get back in to change > that user's reg settings? By definition if they can't edit the registry then > neither can I when logged on as them. But neither can I edit HKCU for THEM > when logged on as ME. Any ideas? > Removing the ability to run regedit doesn't remove the ability to edit the registry. Export the appropriate key as a .reg file and store it somewhere safely. If you want to restore it, retrieve the .reg file and "Merge" it. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Aug 8 16:07:17 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:07:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question In-Reply-To: <41140BFB.27455.4C19A4C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <005401c47d8b$b016b1e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> If HKEY_USERS contains all the reg info for all users I assume that I can edit any user's settings without being logged on as them (ie without them being HKCU). Pls correct me if I'm wrong. So the qusetion then is how do I identify, from the id's under HKEY_USERS, whose reg info belongs to each user? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 8 17:09:40 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:09:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question In-Reply-To: <005401c47d8b$b016b1e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <41140BFB.27455.4C19A4C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41173144.5691.110B2F09@lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Aug 2004 at 22:07, Andy Lacey wrote: > If HKEY_USERS contains all the reg info for all users It doesn't If you want to work with another users reg info, you need to explicitly load it (their %SYSTEMROOT\Documents and Settings\Username\NTUSER.DAT file) into REGEDT32 using the "Load Hive" menu item. -- Stuart From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Aug 8 17:49:59 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:49:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox SavePwd extentions References: <41094D23.8060400@verizon.net> Message-ID: <012801c47d9a$089e6390$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Are you certain that this extension is only saving your password on your computer and not someone else's as well? I'm getting real paranoid in my old age about spyware. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox SavePwd extentions > John, > I've been keeping my eye open for something that would always save > your pwd so you didn't have to re-type it if you re-loaded a page and I > ran into these extentions for Firefox... > http://extensions.roachfiend.com/ > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 8 18:40:23 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:40:23 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox SavePwd extentions In-Reply-To: <012801c47d9a$089e6390$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <41174687.17775.115E3ACD@lexacorp.com.pg> On 8 Aug 2004 at 15:49, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > Are you certain that this extension is only saving your password on your > computer and not someone else's as well? I'm getting real paranoid in my > old age about spyware. > Certain. If you are in any doubt, save the "Always Save Password" to disk. It's actually called "password.xpi". Open it with Winzip or similar. Examine all of the files except password.jar with a text viewer. Then open "password.jar" inside the archive with Winzip. Examine the included files in the same way. As you can see, there's no hidden payload anywhere. Apart from two jpegs, it's all plain XML or JavaScript in a couple of layers of zip wrapping. -- Stuart From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 9 01:39:55 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:39:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question In-Reply-To: <41173144.5691.110B2F09@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <005701c47ddb$ae942230$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> I did wonder, but answers to previous question conflicted on that point. Thanks Stuart. I presume that if I use Regedt32 from another W2K machine I can still navigate to a user's folder and load their hive. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 08 August 2004 23:10 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question > > > On 8 Aug 2004 at 22:07, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > If HKEY_USERS contains all the reg info for all users > > It doesn't > > If you want to work with another users reg info, you need to > explicitly > load it (their %SYSTEMROOT\Documents and > Settings\Username\NTUSER.DAT file) > into REGEDT32 using the "Load Hive" menu item. > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Aug 9 03:50:52 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:50:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADACA@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Yes you can, if you are admin and the user is not logged on. Pay attention if you are using roaming profiles. The user may not be logged on to any computer. I'm also not sure if roaming profiles will overwrite the localy stored ntuser.dat when you change it on the server profile folder only. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question I did wonder, but answers to previous question conflicted on that point. Thanks Stuart. I presume that if I use Regedt32 from another W2K machine I can still navigate to a user's folder and load their hive. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: 08 August 2004 23:10 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question > > > On 8 Aug 2004 at 22:07, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > If HKEY_USERS contains all the reg info for all users > > It doesn't > > If you want to work with another users reg info, you need to > explicitly load it (their %SYSTEMROOT\Documents and > Settings\Username\NTUSER.DAT file) into REGEDT32 using the "Load > Hive" menu item. > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Aug 9 06:03:14 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:03:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question Message-ID: <20040809110312.39F33250E28@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Done it! Success. Glad you mentioned that the user must not be logged-on. It had failed before but that was the reason (doh!). Many thanks esp to Stuart, Erwin and Drew on this. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question Date: 09/08/04 08:51 > > Yes you can, if you are admin and the user is not logged on. > > Pay attention if you are using roaming profiles. > The user may not be logged on to any computer. > I'm also not sure if roaming profiles will overwrite the localy stored > ntuser.dat when you change it on the server profile folder only. > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:40 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question > > I did wonder, but answers to previous question conflicted on that point. > Thanks Stuart. I presume that if I use Regedt32 from another W2K machine > I can still navigate to a user's folder and load their hive. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan > > Sent: 08 August 2004 23:10 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Another Registry question > > > > > > On 8 Aug 2004 at 22:07, Andy Lacey wrote: > > > > > If HKEY_USERS contains all the reg info for all users > > > > It doesn't > > > > If you want to work with another users reg info, you need to > > explicitly load it (their %SYSTEMROOTDocuments and > > SettingsUsernameNTUSER.DAT file) into REGEDT32 using the "Load > > Hive" menu item. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Aug 9 08:33:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:33:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox SavePwd extentions References: <41174687.17775.115E3ACD@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002a01c47e15$71179380$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Well, yeah, YOU can do that. I wouldn't know what I was looking for. But I'll take your word for it. Thanks and regards, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FireFox SavePwd extentions > On 8 Aug 2004 at 15:49, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Are you certain that this extension is only saving your password on your > > computer and not someone else's as well? I'm getting real paranoid in my > > old age about spyware. > > > Certain. If you are in any doubt, save the "Always Save Password" to disk. > It's actually called "password.xpi". Open it with Winzip or similar. > Examine all of the files except password.jar with a text viewer. Then > open "password.jar" inside the archive with Winzip. Examine the included > files in the same way. > > As you can see, there's no hidden payload anywhere. Apart from two jpegs, > it's all plain XML or JavaScript in a couple of layers of zip wrapping. > > > > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Aug 10 10:05:36 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:05:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Message-ID: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Any opinions on WinXP SP2? Rocky From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 10:09:05 2004 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:09:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Any opinions on WinXP SP2? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Aug 10 10:30:17 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:30:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <00a401c47eee$f0c56100$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Roger that. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 > Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our > Help Desk. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "dba-tech" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > > Any opinions on WinXP SP2? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Aug 10 10:48:02 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:48:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AECC@ALCUXB> Same here. We're not to touch it until head office has tested every little last detail on it (by which time SP3 will probably be out). We did have a problem with SP2 for 2k, in that we had loads of DCOM errors, but SP3 fixed them. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Sent: 10 August 2004 16:09 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Any opinions on WinXP SP2? 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 10:52:30 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:52:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 In-Reply-To: <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <4118EF3E.8000403@verizon.net> Martin Reid wrote On 8/10/2004 8:09 AM: >Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our >Help Desk. > >Martin > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >To: "dba-tech" >Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > >Any opinions on WinXP SP2? > >Rocky > Yeah, visit Microsoft.com/downloads and pick up their white paper on properly configuring the firewall as it is now ON by default, the rest of the SP2, is so far considered to be a good product, however if you're using IBM software, IBM has disclosed that their users should NOT upgrade to SP2 because there are known connectivity problems in SP2. I've also read on other tech news sites that SP2 is possibly one of the best tested SP's from Microsoft to come in a loooong time. so it sounds as if it's good, just remember to cross your t's and dot your i's before installing (and backup backup backup) and don't forget to backup. -- -Francisco From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Tue Aug 10 11:05:03 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:05:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: <004801c47ef3$d135c050$0c0110ac@toshnb> >Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. >Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. Thanks. How will I persuade myself to trust it then, I wonder? P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Reid To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Any opinions on WinXP SP2? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 12:40:59 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:40:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 In-Reply-To: <004801c47ef3$d135c050$0c0110ac@toshnb> References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <000701c47eeb$fa4f93b0$9111758f@aine> <004801c47ef3$d135c050$0c0110ac@toshnb> Message-ID: <411908AB.8020106@verizon.net> System administrators will hand out blanket advise like this because they are responsible for testing such patches. If you are not in this environment then the added security patched holes in SP2 will be a positive product for you. just don't forget to read on how to configure the firewall. Peter Brawley wrote On 8/10/2004 9:05 AM: >>Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. >>Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. >> >> > >Thanks. How will I persuade myself to trust it then, I wonder? > >P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Reid > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > > Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from our > Help Desk. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "dba-tech" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > > Any opinions on WinXP SP2? > > Rocky > > -- -Francisco From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Aug 10 19:19:30 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:49:30 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201E7B0@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Yep - firewall is an issue for corporations. Should be easy to turn off in GPO's if required. Increased DCOM security (access permissions) may affect some applications as well. As with any updates, they should be thoroughly tested before rolling out. Apart from that, no other issues as yet. Looks like a good'un... Cheers, A -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2004 3:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 System administrators will hand out blanket advise like this because they are responsible for testing such patches. If you are not in this environment then the added security patched holes in SP2 will be a positive product for you. just don't forget to read on how to configure the firewall. Peter Brawley wrote On 8/10/2004 9:05 AM: >>Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. >>Tahts the advise from our Help Desk. >> >> > >Thanks. How will I persuade myself to trust it then, I wonder? > >P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Reid > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > > Yeah dont touch it til at least late September. Tahts the advise from > our Help Desk. > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "dba-tech" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:05 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 > > > Any opinions on WinXP SP2? > > Rocky > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Aug 11 10:12:32 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:12:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run-time error '91' Message-ID: Hi All, When I'm in Outlook and "strange " things happen, e.g. click on one message and 15 get highlighted; reply to a msg and as I'm typing, the meeting request window opens and then the Notes window opens?? Then I get this other pop-up warning window IEHost with the msg: Run-time error'91':Object variable or With block variable not set. You click OK and it goes away. Can anyone shed some light on this, Google wasn't very helpful. Thanks Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 11 15:53:05 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:53:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run-time error '91' References: Message-ID: <003901c47fe5$330fd350$0200a8c0@upstairs> Firstly the obvious things - run spybot and a virus scan, just to make sure. If they come up blank, and you have the original installation cd's, go to help/detect and repair and fix the problem... might also be worth downloading the latest service pack for office (sp3 for both 2k and 2003), and the latest extra fixes too. I've found that running diskclean and defragging the drive cures a hell of a lot of office problems too. HTH Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:12 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Run-time error '91' Hi All, When I'm in Outlook and "strange " things happen, e.g. click on one message and 15 get highlighted; reply to a msg and as I'm typing, the meeting request window opens and then the Notes window opens?? Then I get this other pop-up warning window IEHost with the msg: Run-time error'91':Object variable or With block variable not set. You click OK and it goes away. Can anyone shed some light on this, Google wasn't very helpful. Thanks Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 11 17:08:22 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:08:22 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Run-time error '91' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <411B2576.18846.207D10B3@lexacorp.com.pg> On 11 Aug 2004 at 11:12, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Hi All, > When I'm in Outlook and "strange " things happen, e.g. click on one > message and 15 get highlighted; reply to a msg and as I'm typing, the > meeting request window opens and then the Notes window opens?? I've seen this sort of behaviour where a wire was loose in the mouse. >Then I > get this other pop-up warning window IEHost with the msg: Run-time > error'91':Object variable or With block variable not set. That sounds more like a spyware/trojan script trying to run. -- Stuart From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 11 17:21:11 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:21:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Message-ID: <007701c47ff1$8268ab00$0200a8c0@upstairs> Does anyone have a URL for me to download SP2 for XP from? I can't find it on the Microsoft site, and I want to download it on a nice fast connection at home, rather than when they tell me to do it at work on my 128k ISDN :-( Jon From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 11 17:32:44 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:32:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 References: <007701c47ff1$8268ab00$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <008201c47ff3$20890e50$0200a8c0@upstairs> Actually, don't panic, I found it :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Does anyone have a URL for me to download SP2 for XP from? I can't find it on the Microsoft site, and I want to download it on a nice fast connection at home, rather than when they tell me to do it at work on my 128k ISDN :-( Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Aug 12 15:53:22 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:53:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 References: <007701c47ff1$8268ab00$0200a8c0@upstairs> <008201c47ff3$20890e50$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <411BD8C2.1000007@shaw.ca> That is the network install, the single pc install won't be out until the 16'th. That is why it is so large. Jon Tydda wrote: >Actually, don't panic, I found it :-) > > >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Tydda" >To: "dba-tech" >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:21 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 > > >Does anyone have a URL for me to download SP2 for XP from? I can't find it >on the Microsoft site, and I want to download it on a nice fast connection >at home, rather than when they tell me to do it at work on my 128k ISDN :-( > > >Jon > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Aug 12 16:09:27 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:09:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 References: <007701c47ff1$8268ab00$0200a8c0@upstairs><008201c47ff3$20890e50$0200a8c0@upstairs> <411BD8C2.1000007@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <010101c480b0$a75966b0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Yeah, I needed that one for work eventually... I'm also burning a CD for some people without broadband, who are going to be my guinea pigs :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 That is the network install, the single pc install won't be out until the 16'th. That is why it is so large. Jon Tydda wrote: >Actually, don't panic, I found it :-) > > >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Tydda" >To: "dba-tech" >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:21 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 > > >Does anyone have a URL for me to download SP2 for XP from? I can't find it >on the Microsoft site, and I want to download it on a nice fast connection >at home, rather than when they tell me to do it at work on my 128k ISDN :-( > > >Jon > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 13 04:35:29 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:35:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AEEA@ALCUXB> Sorry for the cross post, but I thought both sets of readers would benefit from this... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/12/winxp_sp2_stop_moaning/ WinXP SP2: stop moaning and get downloading By Tim Mullen, SecurityFocus Published Thursday 12th August 2004 09:35 GMT Opinion At long last, Service Pack 2 for XP has arrived. Like many in the security community, I'm excited about this, as it represents real, true progress for Microsoft and their commitment to security. This is not just a Service Pack - it really includes functionality, usability, and core changes in the underlying code extensive enough to be called "XP2". In fact, I think I'll just call it that from here on out. In addition to code changes, XP2 also represents a tangible shift in the way Microsoft is embracing security: they are putting security concerns before functionality, and in some cases, this will actually break existing applications. Though it will make some developers out there continue to work overtime, this too is a very, very good thing. XP2's feature set is a veritable laundry-list of security enhancements, as well as new functionality: Windows Firewall, new IE security features, wireless provisioning, memory protection schemes, and even new peer-to-peer functionality... The list goes on and on. With that in mind, it is important for you to deploy XP2 with a plan. While no one should ever deploy a service pack without planning and testing, some IT folks do it all the time. In the case of XP2, that will probably cause some problems. For instance, in our shop we use Remote Desktop all the time as a secure means of remotely administering clients and troubleshooting issues. By default, Windows Firewall blocks remote desktop (TCP 3389) connections, even if the system was configured to allow remote desktop connections when SP2 was applied. While WF is very easily (and extensively) customizable both through Group Policy and via the Netfw.inf file during install, one should know this type of thing going in. Another example is the difference between the default WF settings on domain members versus workgroup systems: File and Printer Sharing is enabled by default on domain members (allowing TCP 139, TCP 445, UDP 137, and UDP 138 from other IP's in the same subnet), while it is not on non-domain systems belonging to a workgroup. While these options may be intuitive, they are far more intuitive when you know them up front. If you are part of the IT staff, it is highly recommended that you spend time at the XP2 site. If you manage the IT staff, then give your people the time and resources they need to deploy XP2 correctly. You'll be happy you did. More importantly, you'll be really put out if you don't. Everyone's a critic Now, even with these tremendous advancements in XP, some people are going out of there way to find fault with it, as they seem to do with all things Microsoft. In fact, some of this is just downright hypocritical. Security researchers and analysts continually blast Microsoft for security issues, and have done so forever (I've even done it.) But now that the company has responded in a significant way, it gets bad press for releasing a Service Pack that might break ISV applications. The truth here is that if an application breaks, it really did need fixing anyway. And it's not like XP2 snuck up on us, either: most development documentation has been around since last year. Its just that some are waiting until now to get on board. We as a security community have to embrace and support XP2 if we want to continue to make headway in this space. And for heaven's sake, stop with the "Microsoft should backport XP SP2 into SP's for earlier OSes". Even if you still consider Windows 2000 "current," the fact is that it began development over 9 years ago, and there is no way any backport of a Service Pack will ever bring Win2k to the level of XP/2003. People who think it can clearly don't understand the development model or the code base. Fortunately, there is a front-port for Win2k: it's called "XP." If you care about security, and want a powerful platform that is easily to manage while maintaining extremely granular controls from an administrative standpoint, then upgrade to XP. XP2 really makes this the way to go. In an earlier column I identified old software as a contributing factor to security issues, prompting a flood of "Who the hell do you think you are telling me I have to upgrade?" emails. Well, I'm someone who cares about computer security. I'm not telling anyone they "have" to upgrade, but I will say that if you make the choice (or your company does for you) to maintain older, less secure software when you know something far better is out there, then you must take responsibility for your security posture. Not withstanding that rant, XP2 is really worth the upgrade. The firestorm of debate among security professionals over whether Microsoft should withhold XP SP2 from users with pirated copies of XP demonstrates the importance of this upgrade. Regardless of your views of this from a policy standpoint, if we are to accept that the Internet as a whole will be in dire peril from worm and virus attacks launched by systems without SP2, then we must also accept that XP/SP2 is an absolute requirement for everyone else. It's somewhat ironic that the more outspoken against Microsoft on this issue actually ended up making a rather compelling argument for upgrading. But my point here is not to bust on other people. (Did I really say that? I must be getting old.) My point is to bring to your attention the vast improvements that XP2 offers, even in the face of some continued bad press. It really is "all that," and you should take a serious look at what benefits your company can gain from its deployment. Copyright ? 2004, 0 SecurityFocus columnist Timothy M. Mullen is CIO and Chief Software Architect for AnchorIS.Com, a developer of secure, enterprise-based accounting software. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Fri Aug 13 14:14:37 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:14:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] winamp, real References: <007701c47ff1$8268ab00$0200a8c0@upstairs><008201c47ff3$20890e50$0200a8c0@upstairs><411BD8C2.1000007@shaw.ca> <010101c480b0$a75966b0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <002901c48169$ccfae380$0c0110ac@toshnb> Now that my fave 'net radio station (KUSC) broadcasts a 96k stream, it's screamingly obvious that ol' WinAmp makes Real look sick. Is there another one I should try that's even better? P. From john at winhaven.net Tue Aug 17 10:51:22 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:51:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] hanging processes on server Message-ID: I need to kill Access processes that are hanging on the server after an app closes on a workstation. This happens from all workstations. (VB app, A97 BE, Windows Server) I?d like to do this from the workstation session that has the process hanging. So that if the issue arises the user can click a shortcut icon to run a script, batch, etc. to accomplish this task. Any ideas on the best way to accomplish this? John B. BTW: The company that wrote the VB app is not responsive to correcting this problem and the hanging process is causing problems for backups, printing, etc. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 17 20:35:37 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:35:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201E7B0@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <41233F09.1289.44B1403@lexacorp.com.pg> On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:49, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > > Apart from that, no other issues as yet. Looks like a good'un... > Firewall problems: Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242 Here's a list of other possible issues: "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2" http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130 -- Stuart From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Aug 17 21:25:48 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:55:48 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201E7E8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Good info.. Thanks for that. Most of these are due to the firewall but that's really what a firewall is meant to do... so I guess techinically its not really a problem. The problem MS have is that many who've never used a firewall before probably understand the concept of port forwarding so they'll probably believe it's a bug.. A -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:06 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SP2 On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:49, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > > Apart from that, no other issues as yet. Looks like a good'un... > Firewall problems: Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242 Here's a list of other possible issues: "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2" http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130 -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Aug 18 16:28:40 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:28:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook 2K2 - Inline Scripting - Intranet Message-ID: I would be most appreciative if someone could describe a possible combination of Outlook settings (both mine as sender and the recipients) that would allow me to run JavaScript in the background of HTML formatted messages sent over my intranet...preferably with no user intervention, such as switching to "Internet Zone" or something like that. I am listing the script at the end of the message. Currently, I am using it as an active desktop item, but wish to use it as an email template if possible. There are two extremely small .gif files that are used in conjunction with this script. You may substitute your own, or I can send them off-list. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Mark Mitsules Senior Designer Submarine Electrical Engineering Northrop Grumman Newport News 757.380.3376 Desktop From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 18 18:45:05 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:45:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201E7B0@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <412476A1.29543.2501146@lexacorp.com.pg> It's started already: Flaws in SP2 security features: http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/50051 -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Mon Aug 23 14:06:25 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:06:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. In-Reply-To: <412476A1.29543.2501146@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <014701c48944$4993f030$6601a8c0@rock> For various reasons (mostly my own stupidity, but also including other reasons), my home network contains two workgroups. There are 6 computers, one of which is a server. Two PCs are running windows 2k, the other PCs are running winXP, and the server is running win2k advanced server. Workgroup 1 consists of Rock, Excalibur, Lancelot and Zappa. Workgroup 2 consists of Avalon and Guinivere. >From my main PC (Rock), I can see Zappa, a shared folder on Avalon, and Excalibur. (To be accurate, I can see a shared folder on Avalon, and that's all that's shared there. But when I click the "Computers near me" icon, I can't see Avalon. Is that normal?) I cannot see Lancelot, which runs XP and shares nothing, so I guess that makes sense. I cannot see Guinivere at all, and only the shared folder on Avalon. These latter two run win2k. Ideally, I'd like to consolidate the two workgroups into one, or possibly consolidate them into a domain and then lose the workgroups. As you can gather, I know very little about networking and even less when there are two OS'es involved. Can anyone provide suggestions, advice, or even better a step-by-step recipe for how to do this? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 23 17:53:56 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:53:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. In-Reply-To: <014701c48944$4993f030$6601a8c0@rock> References: <412476A1.29543.2501146@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <412B0223.25464.73F0DEB@lexacorp.com.pg> On 23 Aug 2004 at 15:06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > But when I click the "Computers near me" > icon, I can't see Avalon. Is that normal?) I cannot see Lancelot, which runs > XP and shares nothing, so I guess that makes sense. I cannot see Guinivere > at all, and only the shared folder on Avalon. These latter two run win2k. If they are in a different workgroup, they are not classed as "near you". You need to look at the whole "Windows network" to see both workgroup names and then tunnel down into each workgroup to see the individual workstations in each. > > Can anyone provide suggestions, advice, or even better a step-by-step > recipe for how to do this? > Make sure that all machines are in the same IP Address subnet. Make sure that "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" is enabled on all machines and create a shared folder on every machine. On Avalon and Guinivere go into Nework and Dialup Connections, go to Advanced | Network Identification , Click on Properties and change the name to Workgroup 1. -- Stuart From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Aug 23 21:09:43 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:09:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. In-Reply-To: <014701c48944$4993f030$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: Arthur, a Domain will help with permissions, which is useful for file sharing, but what you are really running into is a general networking issue. I am going to explain how TCP/IP works, in general, to help you understand where the weak points are, and what you can do to correct it. To begin with, networking actually works on a lower level protocol then TCP/IP. Most current systems use Ethernet, but some still use systems like Token Ring. When a computer is connected to another computer, or to a switch/hub, that lower level protocol connects. Then TCP/IP takes over, and that is what the OS uses to actually communicate to other computers. TCP/IP is based on three settings, IP Address, Subnet Mask, and Gateway. You're IP address is your 'ID', or phone number on the network. That is the typical 'basic' education. However, to understand how an IP Address works, you have to look at the subnet and gateway also. The subnet mask is a bit comparison, which tells the IP Address what other IP addresses are on it's subnet (or in it's neighborhood). A 255 in one of the four quads, tells the IP Address, that it's neighbors will also have that same Number. A 0 tells it that the quad doesn't have to match at all. (any number in between, is telling it what bits have to match, and which ones don't, so a 254 (which has the 1 bit turned off...) tells it that it's neighbors have either the same number or 1 off, (16 or 17....not 16 or 15 (because 16 and 17 have the same bits, except for the 1 bit, and 15 has different bits from 16 (including the 1 bit)). Now, that tells the OS what other machines should be out there, but what if it needs to go beyond it's subnet? That's what the gateway is for. The gateway tells the OS where a router is, that the computer can use to go beyond it's subnet. (Routers connect two or more subnets together). Okay, that's the nitty gritty. Sounds simple? Now for the fun part. Actually communicating to another machine. If you just communicated by IP Addresses, if the hardware was setup right, and everything is on the same subnet, then there would be no problem. However, a human wants to connect to another computer by name (and actually, so do certain OS functions....). So, you need to have a method of getting an IP Address, from a computer name. There are a few methods. One, use Host Files. This is a manually created (by you) list of Computer names to their IP addresses. This method works, but it's hardly flexible, and requires constant upkeep whenever a change on your network occurs (lose a machine, change a machine, add a machine). Then there is Computer Browsing. LOL. This is a literal Nightmare. Essentially, when computers are on a network, they try to browse their subnet. When other machines are found, they hold an 'election' to determine who will be the 'master browser', which all of the other computers will report too. It works great, if you leave all of your machines up 24/7, and never reboot them. Because then one of them will become the Master Browser, and stay that way. Unfortunately, that scenario is near impossible, so machines are rebooted, or shut down, and the whole system makes the Florida ballot process look well organized. Ever notice that while you may have problems hitting a share on one machine, you have no problem going to http://whatchamakallit.com ? That's because when you cruise the internet, you use something called a DNS server. (Domain Name Server), which TCP/IP uses as a literal 'phone book' to provide IP to computer/domain name information. Using a DNS server (along with 2 other 'services') that are available in a Windows Server OS, you can make your home network just as stable as surfing the net. The other two services are DHCP, and WINS. (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol and Windows Internet Naming Service). DHCP hands out IP Addresses. WINS acts a little like DNS, but keeps notes of other things. Here's what you do, you can use the wizards in the Windows Server OS to turn on DNS, WINS, and DHCP. Go into your DHCP control panel, and setup an address pool. (Pick anything you want....192.168.0.xxx or 10.10.0.xxx...etc.). Then go into your scope options, and setup a few things. Setup the 003 option (Router), which will be the IP address of your router (the server if you are using Internet Connection sharing), then 006 the DNS servers (again, the server...since you just setup DNS on it), then 044 for the WINS server. After that, you just have to go to the other machines, and set their IP Addresses to use DHCP, and you're done. (One note, you will need to setup in your DNS server, a few 'forwarding DNS servers', which would be the DNS servers you ISP provide you with. You're local machines will then ask your DNS for internet domain information, and if it doesn't know, it will go ask the forwarders, and cache the information.). Having you're own DNS server internally can be quite handy. One of the perks is that you can assign you're own 'shortcuts'. For example, when I am at home, if I type Email in the address of Internet Explorer, it brings up my work's Outlook Web Access site. A lot easier then typing in the entire site. Hope this helps, feel free to ask specifics if you want. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. For various reasons (mostly my own stupidity, but also including other reasons), my home network contains two workgroups. There are 6 computers, one of which is a server. Two PCs are running windows 2k, the other PCs are running winXP, and the server is running win2k advanced server. Workgroup 1 consists of Rock, Excalibur, Lancelot and Zappa. Workgroup 2 consists of Avalon and Guinivere. >From my main PC (Rock), I can see Zappa, a shared folder on Avalon, and Excalibur. (To be accurate, I can see a shared folder on Avalon, and that's all that's shared there. But when I click the "Computers near me" icon, I can't see Avalon. Is that normal?) I cannot see Lancelot, which runs XP and shares nothing, so I guess that makes sense. I cannot see Guinivere at all, and only the shared folder on Avalon. These latter two run win2k. Ideally, I'd like to consolidate the two workgroups into one, or possibly consolidate them into a domain and then lose the workgroups. As you can gather, I know very little about networking and even less when there are two OS'es involved. Can anyone provide suggestions, advice, or even better a step-by-step recipe for how to do this? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Tue Aug 24 07:57:07 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:57:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00bf01c489d9$dcf63cd0$6601a8c0@rock> Thanks a bunch, Drew! I'll print this out and try your suggestions today. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. Arthur, a Domain will help with permissions, which is useful for file sharing, but what you are really running into is a general networking issue. I am going to explain how TCP/IP works, in general, to help you understand where the weak points are, and what you can do to correct it. To begin with, networking actually works on a lower level protocol then TCP/IP. Most current systems use Ethernet, but some still use systems like Token Ring. When a computer is connected to another computer, or to a switch/hub, that lower level protocol connects. Then TCP/IP takes over, and that is what the OS uses to actually communicate to other computers. TCP/IP is based on three settings, IP Address, Subnet Mask, and Gateway. You're IP address is your 'ID', or phone number on the network. That is the typical 'basic' education. However, to understand how an IP Address works, you have to look at the subnet and gateway also. The subnet mask is a bit comparison, which tells the IP Address what other IP addresses are on it's subnet (or in it's neighborhood). A 255 in one of the four quads, tells the IP Address, that it's neighbors will also have that same Number. A 0 tells it that the quad doesn't have to match at all. (any number in between, is telling it what bits have to match, and which ones don't, so a 254 (which has the 1 bit turned off...) tells it that it's neighbors have either the same number or 1 off, (16 or 17....not 16 or 15 (because 16 and 17 have the same bits, except for the 1 bit, and 15 has different bits from 16 (including the 1 bit)). Now, that tells the OS what other machines should be out there, but what if it needs to go beyond it's subnet? That's what the gateway is for. The gateway tells the OS where a router is, that the computer can use to go beyond it's subnet. (Routers connect two or more subnets together). Okay, that's the nitty gritty. Sounds simple? Now for the fun part. Actually communicating to another machine. If you just communicated by IP Addresses, if the hardware was setup right, and everything is on the same subnet, then there would be no problem. However, a human wants to connect to another computer by name (and actually, so do certain OS functions....). So, you need to have a method of getting an IP Address, from a computer name. There are a few methods. One, use Host Files. This is a manually created (by you) list of Computer names to their IP addresses. This method works, but it's hardly flexible, and requires constant upkeep whenever a change on your network occurs (lose a machine, change a machine, add a machine). Then there is Computer Browsing. LOL. This is a literal Nightmare. Essentially, when computers are on a network, they try to browse their subnet. When other machines are found, they hold an 'election' to determine who will be the 'master browser', which all of the other computers will report too. It works great, if you leave all of your machines up 24/7, and never reboot them. Because then one of them will become the Master Browser, and stay that way. Unfortunately, that scenario is near impossible, so machines are rebooted, or shut down, and the whole system makes the Florida ballot process look well organized. Ever notice that while you may have problems hitting a share on one machine, you have no problem going to http://whatchamakallit.com ? That's because when you cruise the internet, you use something called a DNS server. (Domain Name Server), which TCP/IP uses as a literal 'phone book' to provide IP to computer/domain name information. Using a DNS server (along with 2 other 'services') that are available in a Windows Server OS, you can make your home network just as stable as surfing the net. The other two services are DHCP, and WINS. (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol and Windows Internet Naming Service). DHCP hands out IP Addresses. WINS acts a little like DNS, but keeps notes of other things. Here's what you do, you can use the wizards in the Windows Server OS to turn on DNS, WINS, and DHCP. Go into your DHCP control panel, and setup an address pool. (Pick anything you want....192.168.0.xxx or 10.10.0.xxx...etc.). Then go into your scope options, and setup a few things. Setup the 003 option (Router), which will be the IP address of your router (the server if you are using Internet Connection sharing), then 006 the DNS servers (again, the server...since you just setup DNS on it), then 044 for the WINS server. After that, you just have to go to the other machines, and set their IP Addresses to use DHCP, and you're done. (One note, you will need to setup in your DNS server, a few 'forwarding DNS servers', which would be the DNS servers you ISP provide you with. You're local machines will then ask your DNS for internet domain information, and if it doesn't know, it will go ask the forwarders, and cache the information.). Having you're own DNS server internally can be quite handy. One of the perks is that you can assign you're own 'shortcuts'. For example, when I am at home, if I type Email in the address of Internet Explorer, it brings up my work's Outlook Web Access site. A lot easier then typing in the entire site. Hope this helps, feel free to ask specifics if you want. Drew From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Aug 24 11:29:47 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:29:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. In-Reply-To: <00bf01c489d9$dcf63cd0$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: No problem. Good Luck. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. Thanks a bunch, Drew! I'll print this out and try your suggestions today. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Advice on Consolidating Workgroups, Domain etc. Arthur, a Domain will help with permissions, which is useful for file sharing, but what you are really running into is a general networking issue. I am going to explain how TCP/IP works, in general, to help you understand where the weak points are, and what you can do to correct it. To begin with, networking actually works on a lower level protocol then TCP/IP. Most current systems use Ethernet, but some still use systems like Token Ring. When a computer is connected to another computer, or to a switch/hub, that lower level protocol connects. Then TCP/IP takes over, and that is what the OS uses to actually communicate to other computers. TCP/IP is based on three settings, IP Address, Subnet Mask, and Gateway. You're IP address is your 'ID', or phone number on the network. That is the typical 'basic' education. However, to understand how an IP Address works, you have to look at the subnet and gateway also. The subnet mask is a bit comparison, which tells the IP Address what other IP addresses are on it's subnet (or in it's neighborhood). A 255 in one of the four quads, tells the IP Address, that it's neighbors will also have that same Number. A 0 tells it that the quad doesn't have to match at all. (any number in between, is telling it what bits have to match, and which ones don't, so a 254 (which has the 1 bit turned off...) tells it that it's neighbors have either the same number or 1 off, (16 or 17....not 16 or 15 (because 16 and 17 have the same bits, except for the 1 bit, and 15 has different bits from 16 (including the 1 bit)). Now, that tells the OS what other machines should be out there, but what if it needs to go beyond it's subnet? That's what the gateway is for. The gateway tells the OS where a router is, that the computer can use to go beyond it's subnet. (Routers connect two or more subnets together). Okay, that's the nitty gritty. Sounds simple? Now for the fun part. Actually communicating to another machine. If you just communicated by IP Addresses, if the hardware was setup right, and everything is on the same subnet, then there would be no problem. However, a human wants to connect to another computer by name (and actually, so do certain OS functions....). So, you need to have a method of getting an IP Address, from a computer name. There are a few methods. One, use Host Files. This is a manually created (by you) list of Computer names to their IP addresses. This method works, but it's hardly flexible, and requires constant upkeep whenever a change on your network occurs (lose a machine, change a machine, add a machine). Then there is Computer Browsing. LOL. This is a literal Nightmare. Essentially, when computers are on a network, they try to browse their subnet. When other machines are found, they hold an 'election' to determine who will be the 'master browser', which all of the other computers will report too. It works great, if you leave all of your machines up 24/7, and never reboot them. Because then one of them will become the Master Browser, and stay that way. Unfortunately, that scenario is near impossible, so machines are rebooted, or shut down, and the whole system makes the Florida ballot process look well organized. Ever notice that while you may have problems hitting a share on one machine, you have no problem going to http://whatchamakallit.com ? That's because when you cruise the internet, you use something called a DNS server. (Domain Name Server), which TCP/IP uses as a literal 'phone book' to provide IP to computer/domain name information. Using a DNS server (along with 2 other 'services') that are available in a Windows Server OS, you can make your home network just as stable as surfing the net. The other two services are DHCP, and WINS. (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol and Windows Internet Naming Service). DHCP hands out IP Addresses. WINS acts a little like DNS, but keeps notes of other things. Here's what you do, you can use the wizards in the Windows Server OS to turn on DNS, WINS, and DHCP. Go into your DHCP control panel, and setup an address pool. (Pick anything you want....192.168.0.xxx or 10.10.0.xxx...etc.). Then go into your scope options, and setup a few things. Setup the 003 option (Router), which will be the IP address of your router (the server if you are using Internet Connection sharing), then 006 the DNS servers (again, the server...since you just setup DNS on it), then 044 for the WINS server. After that, you just have to go to the other machines, and set their IP Addresses to use DHCP, and you're done. (One note, you will need to setup in your DNS server, a few 'forwarding DNS servers', which would be the DNS servers you ISP provide you with. You're local machines will then ask your DNS for internet domain information, and if it doesn't know, it will go ask the forwarders, and cache the information.). Having you're own DNS server internally can be quite handy. One of the perks is that you can assign you're own 'shortcuts'. For example, when I am at home, if I type Email in the address of Internet Explorer, it brings up my work's Outlook Web Access site. A lot easier then typing in the entire site. Hope this helps, feel free to ask specifics if you want. Drew _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Aug 26 08:58:56 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:58:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AF8E@ALCUXB> My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Aug 26 14:41:25 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:41:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AF8E@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Does it 'display' the cmd window when she logs on? Try running the script manually after she logs on. From her machine, type \\PDCorBDCName\NETLOGON that should display the folder with her script in it. run the script from that folder. Maybe there is a security issue involved, and walking the steps manually may show what's going wrong. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:59 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Aug 26 16:09:25 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:09:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> The logon script is not applied when users log on to a Windows 2000-based computer after they create their roaming profile on a Windows XP-based computer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837687 I also believe there is a registry key on W2K or XP workstation that disables the execution of the logon script, but I can't seem te find it. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Aug 26 18:02:40 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:02:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB18@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <000b01c48bc0$c9c4b4f0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Thanks Erwin, but I think we can rule those out - we don't use XP at work at all, and other users scripts work ok on the pc's we've tried. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts The logon script is not applied when users log on to a Windows 2000-based computer after they create their roaming profile on a Windows XP-based computer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837687 I also believe there is a registry key on W2K or XP workstation that disables the execution of the logon script, but I can't seem te find it. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 27 03:07:37 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:07:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AF9B@ALCUXB> ooh, thanks Drew, I did try to get there manually, but I didn't know you could do it like this, I'll give it a go. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 26 August 2004 20:41 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Does it 'display' the cmd window when she logs on? Try running the script manually after she logs on. From her machine, type \\PDCorBDCName\NETLOGON that should display the folder with her script in it. run the script from that folder. Maybe there is a security issue involved, and walking the steps manually may show what's going wrong. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:59 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 27 04:51:33 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:51:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB20@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Which windows is this computer? This key is also present in Windows 2000. Is the computer joined in the domain? If a W9X or any windows computer is not joined in the domain or the user logs in with a local account instead of a domain account the login script is not executed. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Thanks Erwin, but I think we can rule those out - we don't use XP at work at all, and other users scripts work ok on the pc's we've tried. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts The logon script is not applied when users log on to a Windows 2000-based computer after they create their roaming profile on a Windows XP-based computer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837687 I also believe there is a registry key on W2K or XP workstation that disables the execution of the logon script, but I can't seem te find it. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Aug 27 05:59:02 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:59:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFA6@ALCUXB> They're all win2k, they're all on the domain, they're all domain accounts. She's not in today so I can't really test it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 27 August 2004 10:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Which windows is this computer? This key is also present in Windows 2000. Is the computer joined in the domain? If a W9X or any windows computer is not joined in the domain or the user logs in with a local account instead of a domain account the login script is not executed. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Thanks Erwin, but I think we can rule those out - we don't use XP at work at all, and other users scripts work ok on the pc's we've tried. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts The logon script is not applied when users log on to a Windows 2000-based computer after they create their roaming profile on a Windows XP-based computer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837687 I also believe there is a registry key on W2K or XP workstation that disables the execution of the logon script, but I can't seem te find it. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Aug 27 06:14:46 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:14:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB24@stekelbes.ithelps.local> At my knowledge WIN2K has that registry key to disable the logon script... But I'm afraid I can't find it anymore.... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts They're all win2k, they're all on the domain, they're all domain accounts. She's not in today so I can't really test it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 27 August 2004 10:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Which windows is this computer? This key is also present in Windows 2000. Is the computer joined in the domain? If a W9X or any windows computer is not joined in the domain or the user logs in with a local account instead of a domain account the login script is not executed. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Login scripts Thanks Erwin, but I think we can rule those out - we don't use XP at work at all, and other users scripts work ok on the pc's we've tried. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Login scripts The logon script is not applied when users log on to a Windows 2000-based computer after they create their roaming profile on a Windows XP-based computer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837687 I also believe there is a registry key on W2K or XP workstation that disables the execution of the logon script, but I can't seem te find it. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:59 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Login scripts My work domain uses login scripts to map drives, set the clock of the pcs etc whenever someone logs into a pc... this one user's script does not work... I've checked the script, it's the same as everyone else's, the only difference is her name. The name of the script is spelt the same as on her user profile and her home directory, which isn't being mapped either... It works for everyone else... I'm lost... any ideas? The account isn't locked out, nor are there any weird group memberships to worry about - I copied the account of someone else in her department, who I know the script works for. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Aug 30 13:52:58 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SP2 In-Reply-To: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <006d01c47eeb$7e14e750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <20040830135258.1366090422.serbach@new.rr.com> Rocky, The only things I've noticed so far have been that a couple Quicken applications (QuickBooks Pro 2001 and Quicken 2000) don't seem to want to start up unless I'm logged in as Administrator (I've made myself a Limited user). These fall in line with TurboTax as applications I cannot run unless logged in as Administrator. No firewall issues yet; I use ZoneAlarm Pro and a D-Link router. Actually I haven't even looked where to turn off any Windows firewall feature yet. Steve Erbach "IBM had every chance to end the Windows monopoly with OS/2 but shot itself in the foot, ankle, shin, knee, and hip, reloading each time, before giving up." - Jerry Pournelle