From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Feb 1 04:56:43 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:56:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook (2003) categories.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1BC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Hi
I use a lot calendar categories for several purposes (invoicing for
example).
Is it posible to add a default category to an calendar item?
So if I create a new appointment, this category is already present by
default.
(not from VBA, just plain normal use)
Greetz
Erwin Craps
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Sun Feb 1 12:26:36 2004
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:26:36 +1300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290885C7@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
I have Office 97 and 2000 co-existing peacefully on one of my development boxes, under Windows 2000 Pro.
I have Office XP on another box, under Windows XP Professional, and have Office 2003 in shrink-wrap, begging for a home. Should I try loading it on the box with Office XP /Win XP? Any experience with these 2 co-existing?
Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand
From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Feb 1 14:21:50 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:21:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1BE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
I have 2K 2K2 and 2K3 on my computer.
Since I addedd 2K3 I have several problems (ACCESS)...
-References are having strange behavior (other than normal)
-Access/VBE (any of the 3) crashes very often while developing.
This last I have the impression is caused if you once, accidently open a
2K or 2K2 database in 2K3.
So I strongly advice to pay a lot attention to open your database in the
correct Access version.
-Mouse Scroll wheel does not work in VBE.
-In Word I can no longer see embedded objects in a document. They are
all empty except in print preview.
I read the other people are having this problem to, but can not find
anything on technet about this.
The same doc works fine in Word 2K2.
I believe a Service pack is coming this month for Office 2K3.
Erwin
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Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:27 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
I have Office 97 and 2000 co-existing peacefully on one of my
development boxes, under Windows 2000 Pro.
I have Office XP on another box, under Windows XP Professional, and have
Office 2003 in shrink-wrap, begging for a home. Should I try loading it
on the box with Office XP /Win XP? Any experience with these 2
co-existing?
Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Feb 1 17:09:29 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:09:29 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1BE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <401D8729.9020903@shaw.ca>
There is a recent Word 2003 update that may help
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=830000
Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>I have 2K 2K2 and 2K3 on my computer.
>Since I addedd 2K3 I have several problems (ACCESS)...
>-References are having strange behavior (other than normal)
>-Access/VBE (any of the 3) crashes very often while developing.
>
>This last I have the impression is caused if you once, accidently open a
>2K or 2K2 database in 2K3.
>So I strongly advice to pay a lot attention to open your database in the
>correct Access version.
>
>
>-Mouse Scroll wheel does not work in VBE.
>
>-In Word I can no longer see embedded objects in a document. They are
>all empty except in print preview.
>I read the other people are having this problem to, but can not find
>anything on technet about this.
>The same doc works fine in Word 2K2.
>
>I believe a Service pack is coming this month for Office 2K3.
>
>Erwin
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
>Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:27 PM
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
>
>I have Office 97 and 2000 co-existing peacefully on one of my
>development boxes, under Windows 2000 Pro.
>I have Office XP on another box, under Windows XP Professional, and have
>Office 2003 in shrink-wrap, begging for a home. Should I try loading it
>on the box with Office XP /Win XP? Any experience with these 2
>co-existing?
>
>Stephen Bond
>Otatara, New Zealand
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Feb 2 01:22:15 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:22:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1CD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Thanks Marty
I already installed that a couple of days ago.
Does not solve any of the issues I have.
Erwin
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:09 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
There is a recent Word 2003 update that may help
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=830000
Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>I have 2K 2K2 and 2K3 on my computer.
>Since I addedd 2K3 I have several problems (ACCESS)...
>-References are having strange behavior (other than normal) -Access/VBE
>(any of the 3) crashes very often while developing.
>
>This last I have the impression is caused if you once, accidently open
>a 2K or 2K2 database in 2K3.
>So I strongly advice to pay a lot attention to open your database in
>the correct Access version.
>
>
>-Mouse Scroll wheel does not work in VBE.
>
>-In Word I can no longer see embedded objects in a document. They are
>all empty except in print preview.
>I read the other people are having this problem to, but can not find
>anything on technet about this.
>The same doc works fine in Word 2K2.
>
>I believe a Service pack is coming this month for Office 2K3.
>
>Erwin
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
>Bond
>Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:27 PM
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2002 and Office 2003 on the same computer
>
>I have Office 97 and 2000 co-existing peacefully on one of my
>development boxes, under Windows 2000 Pro.
>I have Office XP on another box, under Windows XP Professional, and
>have Office 2003 in shrink-wrap, begging for a home. Should I try
>loading it on the box with Office XP /Win XP? Any experience with
>these 2 co-existing?
>
>Stephen Bond
>Otatara, New Zealand
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Feb 2 02:03:18 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:03:18 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyPe anyone?
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1CD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <045601c3e963$0504ca60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Anyone used this http://www.skype.com/ ? Any words of wisdon on this or
similar? Despite its claims I'm wary of it installing all sorts of rubbish.
Does anyone use something like this for phone contact, and is it successful?
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
From artful at rogers.com Tue Feb 3 15:00:09 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:00:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
In-Reply-To: <045601c3e963$0504ca60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID:
I haven't played with this stuff at all. So here is a question. I just
purchased one of my favorite movies of all time on DVD (Miller's Crossing,
by the Coen Brothers, probably my fave writer/director combination of all
time; this one starring Gabriel Byrne, Albert Finney and John Tarturro).
Question: assuming I install some sort of voice recognition software, then
play said DVD while activating said VR software, will it copy all the dialog
into a file? Or do I have to watch it scene by scene, hitting Pause
frequently while I catch up? Does the VR input have to come from a
microphone or can it come from any integrated device? Could it recognize
song lyrics? (I can imagine that would be VERY tough.) But at the moment I
don't care about song lyrics; I just want to memorize the entire script to
Miller's Crossing.
You's fancypants, allayas :-) (A quote from Scene 1, "Ethics", probably my
fave Scene One of all time, including Touch of Evil's famous border-crossing
Scene One).
Arthur
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From garykjos at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:12:57 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:12:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
Message-ID:
How about this....
http://www.geocities.com/~mikemckiernan/mcscript.html
Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com
>From: "Arthur Fuller"
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
>issues
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software
>issues"
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:00:09 -0500
>
>I haven't played with this stuff at all. So here is a question. I just
>purchased one of my favorite movies of all time on DVD (Miller's Crossing,
>by the Coen Brothers, probably my fave writer/director combination of all
>time; this one starring Gabriel Byrne, Albert Finney and John Tarturro).
>
>Question: assuming I install some sort of voice recognition software, then
>play said DVD while activating said VR software, will it copy all the
>dialog
>into a file? Or do I have to watch it scene by scene, hitting Pause
>frequently while I catch up? Does the VR input have to come from a
>microphone or can it come from any integrated device? Could it recognize
>song lyrics? (I can imagine that would be VERY tough.) But at the moment I
>don't care about song lyrics; I just want to memorize the entire script to
>Miller's Crossing.
>
>You's fancypants, allayas :-) (A quote from Scene 1, "Ethics", probably my
>fave Scene One of all time, including Touch of Evil's famous
>border-crossing
>Scene One).
>
>Arthur
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Feb 3 15:15:29 2004
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:15:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
Message-ID:
Arthur,
Try a google search on exact term: Miller's Crossing and script
It looks like you can probably get it for free or for less than VR
software might cost.
Would try to get more info but we're monitored.
Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
I haven't played with this stuff at all. So here is a question. I just
purchased one of my favorite movies of all time on DVD (Miller's
Crossing,
by the Coen Brothers, probably my fave writer/director combination of
all
time; this one starring Gabriel Byrne, Albert Finney and John Tarturro).
Question: assuming I install some sort of voice recognition software,
then
play said DVD while activating said VR software, will it copy all the
dialog
into a file? Or do I have to watch it scene by scene, hitting Pause
frequently while I catch up? Does the VR input have to come from a
microphone or can it come from any integrated device? Could it recognize
song lyrics? (I can imagine that would be VERY tough.) But at the moment
I
don't care about song lyrics; I just want to memorize the entire script
to
Miller's Crossing.
You's fancypants, allayas :-) (A quote from Scene 1, "Ethics", probably
my
fave Scene One of all time, including Touch of Evil's famous
border-crossing
Scene One).
Arthur
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From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Feb 3 15:21:10 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:21:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <402010C6.4000409@verizon.net>
You're going about this all wrong... visit http://www.doom9.org/ and locate their DVD ripping software (there are various to choose from). I forget the name of the particular one but there is ONE that litterally rips out the subtitles out of the DVD for you. It'll be that much more accurate than running some voice recognition software, as VR software needs to be trained, and then trained again by each person's voice.
HTHs
--
-Francisco
Arthur Fuller wrote:
>I haven't played with this stuff at all. So here is a question. I just
>purchased one of my favorite movies of all time on DVD (Miller's Crossing,
>by the Coen Brothers, probably my fave writer/director combination of all
>time; this one starring Gabriel Byrne, Albert Finney and John Tarturro).
>
>Question: assuming I install some sort of voice recognition software, then
>play said DVD while activating said VR software, will it copy all the dialog
>into a file? Or do I have to watch it scene by scene, hitting Pause
>frequently while I catch up? Does the VR input have to come from a
>microphone or can it come from any integrated device? Could it recognize
>song lyrics? (I can imagine that would be VERY tough.) But at the moment I
>don't care about song lyrics; I just want to memorize the entire script to
>Miller's Crossing.
>
>You's fancypants, allayas :-) (A quote from Scene 1, "Ethics", probably my
>fave Scene One of all time, including Touch of Evil's famous border-crossing
>Scene One).
>
>Arthur
>
>
>
From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk Wed Feb 4 05:14:40 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:40 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Tools
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6A65@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Hi all
Does anyone know of a good, cheap alternative to MS Project?
I need a package that does
* adaptive planning (critical path)
* gantt charts
* resource management where individuals can update their own tasks
* emails triggered at key points e.g. when a task is assigned to you,
& emails to any resource manually
Ideally I would also like basic document management i.e. the ability to
attach documents to tasks.
I have a budget of $500 and five core users. If I could get a 10 or even 20
user licence for that budget then that would be sparkly.
TIA
Roz
From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Feb 4 05:36:04 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:36:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel file data
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1FB@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Hi
I'm reading these days alot about hidden information in word/excel
documents.
I'm wondering if the folowing is posible.
MS uses techniques (like in Access) when you delete some information in
a file, that the data is actualy not deleted but marked as beeing no
longer there. But the data is actualy still in the file.
What I want to know is when having an excel file, and you delete rows
and save it.
Is it posible to recuperate those rows in any way or even to know rows
are deleted due to some kind of user logging as in Word exists?
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 4 08:29:42 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:29:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
References:
Message-ID: <009901c3eb2b$5499ea00$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...voice recognition software is not what you want Arthur ...as FT noted,
even the best has to be trained to a particular voice and vocabulary ...HTH
:)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Voice Recognition Software
> I haven't played with this stuff at all. So here is a question. I just
> purchased one of my favorite movies of all time on DVD (Miller's Crossing,
> by the Coen Brothers, probably my fave writer/director combination of all
> time; this one starring Gabriel Byrne, Albert Finney and John Tarturro).
>
> Question: assuming I install some sort of voice recognition software, then
> play said DVD while activating said VR software, will it copy all the
dialog
> into a file? Or do I have to watch it scene by scene, hitting Pause
> frequently while I catch up? Does the VR input have to come from a
> microphone or can it come from any integrated device? Could it recognize
> song lyrics? (I can imagine that would be VERY tough.) But at the moment I
> don't care about song lyrics; I just want to memorize the entire script to
> Miller's Crossing.
>
> You's fancypants, allayas :-) (A quote from Scene 1, "Ethics", probably my
> fave Scene One of all time, including Touch of Evil's famous
border-crossing
> Scene One).
>
> Arthur
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 4 08:46:12 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:46:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Tools
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6A65@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000401c3eb2d$a2b67cb0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Rosa
...hard to beat MS Project's capabilities and support ...have you thought
about buying one or two versions back ...which were quite capable versions
...off of a-bay?
...a quick scan there looked like with some patience you could get MS
Project Server 2002 and calls plus the client software within your budget
...one heck of a lot cheaper than buying the latest/greatest 2003 version
and yet you can always upgrade later if your bosses decide they want to pay
for the extras ...HTH :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Project Management Tools
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone know of a good, cheap alternative to MS Project?
>
> I need a package that does
>
> * adaptive planning (critical path)
> * gantt charts
> * resource management where individuals can update their own tasks
> * emails triggered at key points e.g. when a task is assigned to you,
> & emails to any resource manually
>
> Ideally I would also like basic document management i.e. the ability to
> attach documents to tasks.
>
> I have a budget of $500 and five core users. If I could get a 10 or even
20
> user licence for that budget then that would be sparkly.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
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>
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From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:13:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List Software Upgrade
Message-ID: <4026A67B.1068.B05F0E@localhost>
On Saturday February 14th, 2003 starting at 10:00 EST (15:00 UTC) the
software that runs the lists hosted by Database Advisors will be
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This will bring our software upto date. Not only is it necessary for
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During the time it takes to run the upgrade, the server will be down.
Any post made during this time will not be accepted. It may be
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Feb 9 00:21:01 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:21:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
Message-ID: <00d301c3eed4$e3f668c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Dear List:
Does anybody know the answer to this one?
My developer writes (My requests have the ***; that's what I wrote to her):
I was not able to fix the following issues:
*** Close up space between point 3 on Make Report -
Sorting and "View Make Report - Sorting Screen"
*** Close up space between Supply Side Report bullets
and "View Supply Side report"
*** Actually, there is a space between the report
description and the "View." link on several. You
could close them all up.
There seems to be a mandated HTML paragraph space
after any bulleted list. I tried several different
approaches and ways around it, but none worked. If
somebody on your list knows of a way around it, I
would appreciate the tip.
I told her that the easiest thing to do would be to put a space between the non-bulleted report descriptions and the link - that way they'd all be the same.
Any ideas?
Here's the temporary development site URL:
http://www.blissfulcreations.com/temp/EZMRP/index.htm
Go to the reports page and you'll see that some links to the sample report have a space before them, and some don't.
Thanks and regards,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Feb 9 00:46:55 2004
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:46:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
In-Reply-To: <00d301c3eed4$e3f668c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID:
I gave an answer on OT
Kathryn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 08 Feb 2004 10:21:PM
> To: dba-tech; ot list
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Does anybody know the answer to this one?
>
> My developer writes (My requests have the ***; that's what I wrote to her):
>
> I was not able to fix the following issues:
> *** Close up space between point 3 on Make Report -
> Sorting and "View Make Report - Sorting Screen"
> *** Close up space between Supply Side Report bullets
> and "View Supply Side report"
> *** Actually, there is a space between the report
> description and the "View." link on several. You
> could close them all up.
> There seems to be a mandated HTML paragraph space
> after any bulleted list. I tried several different
> approaches and ways around it, but none worked. If
> somebody on your list knows of a way around it, I
> would appreciate the tip.
>
> I told her that the easiest thing to do would be to put a space between the
> non-bulleted report descriptions and the link - that way they'd all be the same.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Here's the temporary development site URL:
>
> http://www.blissfulcreations.com/temp/EZMRP/index.htm
>
> Go to the reports page and you'll see that some links to the sample report have a
> space before them, and some don't.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 10 06:37:02 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:37:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D260@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 10 06:37:42 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:37:42 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5C1@ALCUXB>
yes - see the bottom of this message - I don't know how it's done though.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 10 February 2004 12:37
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 10 06:42:36 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:42:36 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D262@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Aha,
If it can be done, I can do it....
(Just need to find someone to teach me :-)
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:38 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
yes - see the bottom of this message - I don't know how it's done
though.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 February 2004 12:37
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 10 06:43:41 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:43:41 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5C2@ALCUXB>
I'll see if I can find out - I'm not an exchange admin so I don't know off
the top of my head, but I can look at the server ;-)
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 February 2004 12:43
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Aha,
If it can be done, I can do it....
(Just need to find someone to teach me :-)
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:38 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
yes - see the bottom of this message - I don't know how it's done
though.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: 10 February 2004 12:37
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Feb 10 06:55:05 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 7:55:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <20040210125505.NHHB22468.tomts45-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
> From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
> Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
> through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
> Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
> including.
Let me start off by saying that I am not an Exchange Admin. Never seen it. Never tried to do anything with it.
Be careful with forcing HTML footers, or any HTML content. You may inadvertantly alienate or out and out p*ss off your clients.
There are lots of folks out there that want no part of HTML mail and will uncerimoniously delete it.
You may also inadvertantly prevent folks that use the server for their e-mail from subscribing to some lists that will only accept plain text. There is one list I belong to that AOL users cannot subscribe to until they jump though hoop because some of the newer versions make it extremely difficult to turn off HTML mail.
Just my $0.02 CAD.
Why exactly do you want an HTML footer? If it is for clickable links in the footer, that is an e-mail client function and not a content function. What I mean is that the user's mail client will make the link clickable if it is a properly formed URL.
The e-mail client I use will make a link clickable if is in the form of http://some.dom.ain, even if the e-mail is plain text.
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 10 07:07:58 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:07:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D263@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
HTML is getting very common these days.
Every newsletter I receive is in HTML, probably 80% of E-mail I receive
is HTML.
If a newsletter is not in HTML, I don't bother anymore to look at it.
I know, I know the disadvantages, but for proper layout it's the only
choice..
Need HTML to do proper layout formatting.
And why would it a risk.
Adding a link to a website can give you the same prob.
And if you have a decent virusscanner wrong html gets cleaned...
Never had a single mail refused because it's HTML, I'm using HTML for
several years now...
I believe HTML in mail is here to stay, unless someone finds a better
way to have some layout posibilities in mail.
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:55 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
> From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
> Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
> through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
> Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name &
> Function including.
Let me start off by saying that I am not an Exchange Admin. Never seen
it. Never tried to do anything with it.
Be careful with forcing HTML footers, or any HTML content. You may
inadvertantly alienate or out and out p*ss off your clients.
There are lots of folks out there that want no part of HTML mail and
will uncerimoniously delete it.
You may also inadvertantly prevent folks that use the server for their
e-mail from subscribing to some lists that will only accept plain text.
There is one list I belong to that AOL users cannot subscribe to until
they jump though hoop because some of the newer versions make it
extremely difficult to turn off HTML mail.
Just my $0.02 CAD.
Why exactly do you want an HTML footer? If it is for clickable links in
the footer, that is an e-mail client function and not a content
function. What I mean is that the user's mail client will make the link
clickable if it is a properly formed URL.
The e-mail client I use will make a link clickable if is in the form of
http://some.dom.ain, even if the e-mail is plain text.
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense
isn't so common!
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From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Feb 10 07:27:42 2004
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:27:42 EST
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID:
In Version 9, all you have to do is highlight text, right click and choose
"Compose as plain text". In previous versions, highlight, right click, and
choose Text-plain text.
Donna
In a message dated 2/10/2004 7:55:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
carbonnb at sympatico.ca writes:
You may also inadvertantly prevent folks that use the server for their e-mail
from subscribing to some lists that will only accept plain text. There is one
list I belong to that AOL users cannot subscribe to until they jump though
hoop because some of the newer versions make it extremely difficult to turn off
HTML mail.
From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Feb 10 08:09:46 2004
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:09:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
References: <00d301c3eed4$e3f668c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <4028E62A.8000506@torchlake.com>
Rocky,
When I don't want the full paragraph spacing to appear, I use line
breaks instead of paragraph breaks.
HTH,
Tina
Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>Dear List:
>
>Does anybody know the answer to this one?
>
>My developer writes (My requests have the ***; that's what I wrote to her):
>
>I was not able to fix the following issues:
>*** Close up space between point 3 on Make Report -
>Sorting and "View Make Report - Sorting Screen"
>*** Close up space between Supply Side Report bullets
>and "View Supply Side report"
>*** Actually, there is a space between the report
>description and the "View." link on several. You
>could close them all up.
>There seems to be a mandated HTML paragraph space
>after any bulleted list. I tried several different
>approaches and ways around it, but none worked. If
>somebody on your list knows of a way around it, I
>would appreciate the tip.
>
>I told her that the easiest thing to do would be to put a space between the non-bulleted report descriptions and the link - that way they'd all be the same.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Here's the temporary development site URL:
>
>http://www.blissfulcreations.com/temp/EZMRP/index.htm
>
>Go to the reports page and you'll see that some links to the sample report have a space before them, and some don't.
>
>Thanks and regards,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Feb 10 08:31:41 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 9:31:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <20040210143144.QFDJ25543.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
> From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
> HTML is getting very common these days.
Yep. No question. But just because it's common, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
> Every newsletter I receive is in HTML, probably 80% of E-mail I receive
> is HTML.
> If a newsletter is not in HTML, I don't bother anymore to look at it.
I'm just the opposite. The majority of my e-mail is plain text, probably upwards of 95%. If the newsletter doesn't offer a plain text version, then I will NOT subscribe to it.
> I know, I know the disadvantages, but for proper layout it's the only
> choice..
No it's not. You can just put a link to a web page.
> Need HTML to do proper layout formatting.
Yep, but IMO, e-mail is not the place for HTML. For the vast majority of e-mail plain text is fine. HTML formatting adds NO value, but adds significantly to the bandwidth. 3-7 times in fact.
> And why would it a risk.
Lots of reasons. Some mail admins do not allow HTML mail into their servers and will reject any HTML mail. Some strip the HTML. Some users delete HTML mail unread (I know I do if it is from someone I don't know). THen there is HTML mail that downloads from the web, images and javascript and the like, just by opening the e-mail.
> Adding a link to a website can give you the same prob.
Not really. A link REQUIRES a user to click on it to activate any "payload". All that is required for an HTML e-mail is for the user to preview it. Not even open it.
> And if you have a decent virusscanner wrong html gets cleaned...
Yes, but really how many people actually keep their AV up to date? For the longest time I had to MANUALLY update my AV at work because it wasn't done automatically. That's in a corporate setting, let alone the home user that doesn't know how to or why they should update their AV. That is even if they have one.
> Never had a single mail refused because it's HTML, I'm using HTML for
> several years now...
Then you must hang out in different circles than I do, because it is common, especially for NON MS users.
> I believe HTML in mail is here to stay, unless someone finds a better
> way to have some layout posibilities in mail.
Unfortunately I think you are correct. Again, just because it's common, doesn't mean it's right.
Again, just my $0.02 CAD worth.
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Feb 10 08:34:20 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 9:34:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <20040210143420.VCBR21449.tomts28-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
> From: DBCfour at aol.com
> In Version 9, all you have to do is highlight text, right click and choose
> "Compose as plain text". In previous versions, highlight, right click, and
> choose Text-plain text.
I'll take your word for it Donna. I have never used AOL. I was going by the discussions on another list I belong to about the problem AOL users were having with that list.
Is there a way to set the default to plain text or do you have to explicitly set it each time?
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Feb 10 09:10:53 2004
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:10:53 EST
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <1d2.194af806.2d5a4e7d@aol.com>
Per mail...(I think). I hate HTML mail...avoid it whenever possible.
Previous versions of AOL wouldn't do HTML mail at all. Apparently it was all or
nothing to keep up w/the Outlook/OE crowd that was always crying for pictures and
animated icons in sigs and stuff, so they went with all, w/the ability to set
it to plain text as needed.
Donna
In a message dated 2/10/2004 9:34:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
carbonnb at sympatico.ca writes:
I'll take your word for it Donna. I have never used AOL. I was going by the
discussions on another list I belong to about the problem AOL users were having
with that list.
Is there a way to set the default to plain text or do you have to explicitly
set it each time?
From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 10 09:12:12 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:12:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
References: <20040210143144.QFDJ25543.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net>
Message-ID: <00a001c3efe8$42deba90$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
"I'm just the opposite. The majority of my e-mail is plain text, probably
upwards of 95%. If the newsletter doesn't offer a plain text version, then I
will NOT subscribe to it." Bryan
...amen ...everyone I sub to offers a choice ...even if its just a link.
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
> > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
>
> > HTML is getting very common these days.
>
> Yep. No question. But just because it's common, doesn't mean it's the
right thing to do.
>
> > Every newsletter I receive is in HTML, probably 80% of E-mail I receive
> > is HTML.
> > If a newsletter is not in HTML, I don't bother anymore to look at it.
>
> I'm just the opposite. The majority of my e-mail is plain text, probably
upwards of 95%. If the newsletter doesn't offer a plain text version, then I
will NOT subscribe to it.
>
> > I know, I know the disadvantages, but for proper layout it's the only
> > choice..
>
> No it's not. You can just put a link to a web page.
>
> > Need HTML to do proper layout formatting.
>
> Yep, but IMO, e-mail is not the place for HTML. For the vast majority of
e-mail plain text is fine. HTML formatting adds NO value, but adds
significantly to the bandwidth. 3-7 times in fact.
>
> > And why would it a risk.
>
> Lots of reasons. Some mail admins do not allow HTML mail into their
servers and will reject any HTML mail. Some strip the HTML. Some users
delete HTML mail unread (I know I do if it is from someone I don't know).
THen there is HTML mail that downloads from the web, images and javascript
and the like, just by opening the e-mail.
>
> > Adding a link to a website can give you the same prob.
>
> Not really. A link REQUIRES a user to click on it to activate any
"payload". All that is required for an HTML e-mail is for the user to
preview it. Not even open it.
>
> > And if you have a decent virusscanner wrong html gets cleaned...
>
> Yes, but really how many people actually keep their AV up to date? For the
longest time I had to MANUALLY update my AV at work because it wasn't done
automatically. That's in a corporate setting, let alone the home user that
doesn't know how to or why they should update their AV. That is even if they
have one.
>
> > Never had a single mail refused because it's HTML, I'm using HTML for
> > several years now...
>
> Then you must hang out in different circles than I do, because it is
common, especially for NON MS users.
>
> > I believe HTML in mail is here to stay, unless someone finds a better
> > way to have some layout posibilities in mail.
>
> Unfortunately I think you are correct. Again, just because it's common,
doesn't mean it's right.
>
> Again, just my $0.02 CAD worth.
>
> --
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> Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Feb 10 09:20:13 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:20:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D269@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Well I searched MS and did not find a single clue.
>From what I see Exchange server is not capable to add a footer.
Maybe it is posible with the add of a 3 party add-in?!
So thats leave me to create indiviual templates to use in Outlook and
try to centralise them on the server....
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
"I'm just the opposite. The majority of my e-mail is plain text,
probably upwards of 95%. If the newsletter doesn't offer a plain text
version, then I will NOT subscribe to it." Bryan
...amen ...everyone I sub to offers a choice ...even if its just a link.
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
> > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
>
> > HTML is getting very common these days.
>
> Yep. No question. But just because it's common, doesn't mean it's the
right thing to do.
>
> > Every newsletter I receive is in HTML, probably 80% of E-mail I
receive
> > is HTML.
> > If a newsletter is not in HTML, I don't bother anymore to look at
it.
>
> I'm just the opposite. The majority of my e-mail is plain text,
probably
upwards of 95%. If the newsletter doesn't offer a plain text version,
then I
will NOT subscribe to it.
>
> > I know, I know the disadvantages, but for proper layout it's the
only
> > choice..
>
> No it's not. You can just put a link to a web page.
>
> > Need HTML to do proper layout formatting.
>
> Yep, but IMO, e-mail is not the place for HTML. For the vast majority
of
e-mail plain text is fine. HTML formatting adds NO value, but adds
significantly to the bandwidth. 3-7 times in fact.
>
> > And why would it a risk.
>
> Lots of reasons. Some mail admins do not allow HTML mail into their
servers and will reject any HTML mail. Some strip the HTML. Some users
delete HTML mail unread (I know I do if it is from someone I don't
know).
THen there is HTML mail that downloads from the web, images and
javascript
and the like, just by opening the e-mail.
>
> > Adding a link to a website can give you the same prob.
>
> Not really. A link REQUIRES a user to click on it to activate any
"payload". All that is required for an HTML e-mail is for the user to
preview it. Not even open it.
>
> > And if you have a decent virusscanner wrong html gets cleaned...
>
> Yes, but really how many people actually keep their AV up to date? For
the
longest time I had to MANUALLY update my AV at work because it wasn't
done
automatically. That's in a corporate setting, let alone the home user
that
doesn't know how to or why they should update their AV. That is even if
they
have one.
>
> > Never had a single mail refused because it's HTML, I'm using HTML
for
> > several years now...
>
> Then you must hang out in different circles than I do, because it is
common, especially for NON MS users.
>
> > I believe HTML in mail is here to stay, unless someone finds a
better
> > way to have some layout posibilities in mail.
>
> Unfortunately I think you are correct. Again, just because it's
common,
doesn't mean it's right.
>
> Again, just my $0.02 CAD worth.
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!
>
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Feb 10 09:55:16 2004
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:55:16 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D263@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <133e01c3efee$47364620$0200a8c0@S856>
I have set my OE to display only plain text
so I got rid of all the popups and things I dont want
Lembit Soobik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
> HTML is getting very common these days.
> Every newsletter I receive is in HTML, probably 80% of E-mail I receive
> is HTML.
> If a newsletter is not in HTML, I don't bother anymore to look at it.
>
> I know, I know the disadvantages, but for proper layout it's the only
> choice..
> Need HTML to do proper layout formatting.
> And why would it a risk.
> Adding a link to a website can give you the same prob.
> And if you have a decent virusscanner wrong html gets cleaned...
>
> Never had a single mail refused because it's HTML, I'm using HTML for
> several years now...
>
> I believe HTML in mail is here to stay, unless someone finds a better
> way to have some layout posibilities in mail.
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:55 PM
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
>
> > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
>
> > Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
> > through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
> > Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name &
> > Function including.
>
> Let me start off by saying that I am not an Exchange Admin. Never seen
> it. Never tried to do anything with it.
>
> Be careful with forcing HTML footers, or any HTML content. You may
> inadvertantly alienate or out and out p*ss off your clients.
>
> There are lots of folks out there that want no part of HTML mail and
> will uncerimoniously delete it.
>
> You may also inadvertantly prevent folks that use the server for their
> e-mail from subscribing to some lists that will only accept plain text.
> There is one list I belong to that AOL users cannot subscribe to until
> they jump though hoop because some of the newer versions make it
> extremely difficult to turn off HTML mail.
>
> Just my $0.02 CAD.
>
> Why exactly do you want an HTML footer? If it is for clickable links in
> the footer, that is an e-mail client function and not a content
> function. What I mean is that the user's mail client will make the link
> clickable if it is a properly formed URL.
>
> The e-mail client I use will make a link clickable if is in the form of
> http://some.dom.ain, even if the e-mail is plain text.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense
> isn't so common!
>
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 10 10:42:15 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:42:15 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5D2@ALCUXB>
A colleague here managed to crash Windows 2000 and in doing so it corrupted
his profile. He can log in with his normal username/password, but he can't
get into Office 2000, as it says that there is an unrecognised character in
the path. Unfortunately, this also means that he can't uninstall office or
run the repair option (under any login).
Before we format the pc and start all over again, is there a profile
recovery tool that anyone knows of?
Thanks
Jon
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From blreische at mdh.org Tue Feb 10 11:00:48 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:00:48 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB4@NEWMAN_EXC>
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes)
i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
any ideas on where you would go next???
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 10 11:03:24 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:03:24 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5D6@ALCUXB>
If it's Win2k, I'd be inclined to run a repair from the install cd...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org]
Sent: 10 February 2004 17:01
To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes)
i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
any ideas on where you would go next???
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
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From blreische at mdh.org Tue Feb 10 11:06:04 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:06:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB6@NEWMAN_EXC>
Sorry I forgot to mention the OS -- WinXP.
So I can, using the only configuration that boots, run a repair with that
CD...
I'll try that --
Thanks,
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:03 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
If it's Win2k, I'd be inclined to run a repair from the install cd...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org]
Sent: 10 February 2004 17:01
To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes) i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
any ideas on where you would go next???
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Feb 10 11:09:03 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:03 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5D7@ALCUXB>
yeah - put the cd in the drive and let it boot, then choose repair an
installation (I think) and run the automatic repair - saves you thinking too
much :-)
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org]
Sent: 10 February 2004 17:06
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Sorry I forgot to mention the OS -- WinXP.
So I can, using the only configuration that boots, run a repair with that
CD...
I'll try that --
Thanks,
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:03 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
If it's Win2k, I'd be inclined to run a repair from the install cd...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org]
Sent: 10 February 2004 17:01
To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes) i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
any ideas on where you would go next???
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
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From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:24:09 2004
From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:24:09 EST
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <54.222dc9a8.2d5a6db9@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/10/2004 12:05:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk writes:
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
***Did you swap out the monitor?
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes)
***Did you load the MB drivers from the mfg. CD? If it uses the VIA chipset,
you'll have to load the 4in1 drivers, among others.
i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
***Is the mem from your working computer compatible w/the new MB?
any ideas on where you would go next???
***I'd put everything back like it was and swap monitors, boot to safe mode
and see what you get, then start swapping out components one at a time.
Donna
From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Feb 10 11:24:35 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:24:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook2K2 - Un-Archive Calendar Events
Message-ID:
For some oddball reason, a recent SMS push reset my preferences for
archiving. To un-archive calendar events, is it as simple as a drag-n-drop
back to the original calendar? Is there a more efficient or accepted way?
The Import wizard routine for .pst files only lists Act! Files:(
Mark
From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 10 11:28:49 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:28:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
References: <00d301c3eed4$e3f668c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
<4028E62A.8000506@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00e101c3effb$5898e230$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Tina:
Thanks. Will forward to the developer.
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Web Site Question
> Rocky,
> When I don't want the full paragraph spacing to appear, I use line
> breaks instead of paragraph breaks.
> HTH,
> Tina
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
> >Dear List:
> >
> >Does anybody know the answer to this one?
> >
> >My developer writes (My requests have the ***; that's what I wrote to
her):
> >
> >I was not able to fix the following issues:
> >*** Close up space between point 3 on Make Report -
> >Sorting and "View Make Report - Sorting Screen"
> >*** Close up space between Supply Side Report bullets
> >and "View Supply Side report"
> >*** Actually, there is a space between the report
> >description and the "View." link on several. You
> >could close them all up.
> >There seems to be a mandated HTML paragraph space
> >after any bulleted list. I tried several different
> >approaches and ways around it, but none worked. If
> >somebody on your list knows of a way around it, I
> >would appreciate the tip.
> >
> >I told her that the easiest thing to do would be to put a space between
the non-bulleted report descriptions and the link - that way they'd all be
the same.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Here's the temporary development site URL:
> >
> >http://www.blissfulcreations.com/temp/EZMRP/index.htm
> >
> >Go to the reports page and you'll see that some links to the sample
report have a space before them, and some don't.
> >
> >Thanks and regards,
> >
> >Rocky Smolin
> >Beach Access Software
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From blreische at mdh.org Tue Feb 10 12:01:15 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:01:15 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB9@NEWMAN_EXC>
In-line preceded by ###:
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture... ***Did you swap out the monitor?
### YES
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes)
***Did you load the MB drivers from the mfg. CD? If it uses the VIA
chipset,
you'll have to load the 4in1 drivers, among others.
### I did load the drivers from the CD
i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot since the
video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i thought the
lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working computer in
there, and it still locked.
***Is the mem from your working computer compatible w/the new MB?
### That was the reason we bought new memory - just to make sure. It won't
even boot with the mem that the store salesman guaranteed was the right
stuff.
any ideas on where you would go next???
***I'd put everything back like it was and swap monitors, boot to safe mode
and see what you get, then start swapping out components one at a time.
### That is basically what I have done. I cannot boot to safe mode from the
old MB/proc as it will not produce video at all. The first thing I did was
swap monitors. Then I swapped video cards. Still nothing. Pulled out each
thing one at a time, and left off to get it to boot. No dice. So I put in
a new mobo/proc and old vid/mem cards -- booted but locks. With this
config, since it was at least booting, I swapped memory with mine - still
locks. So then I put in new memory - won't boot. Back to orig memory
(boots & locks).
So when I get home I'll try the WinXP repair option from that CD. I can
also swap out the video card, but I don't think that it is the problem...
Thanks!
Donna
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Feb 10 15:48:13 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:48:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB4@NEWMAN_EXC>
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Power supply.
I just helped a friend troubleshoot the same symptoms. In his case it was
the power supply. And of course we swapped all the "easy" stuff first.
8-(
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische,
Brenda L.
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:01 PM
To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
green, and there is no picture...
i have swapped video cards, no difference.
i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
(5-10 minutes)
i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
computer in there, and it still locked.
any ideas on where you would go next???
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Feb 10 22:43:05 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:13:05 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID:
http://www.petri.co.il/add_footer_to_all_outgoing_mail.htm
We use the one for 5.5, which is found here:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=258206
Cheers,
A
-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 11:07 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company through
Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 00:10:31 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:10:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
References:
Message-ID: <001b01c3f065$c10ddc20$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...I've also seen this with a bad UPS :(
William Hindman
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government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
> Power supply.
>
> I just helped a friend troubleshoot the same symptoms. In his case it was
> the power supply. And of course we swapped all the "easy" stuff first.
>
> 8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische,
> Brenda L.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:01 PM
> To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
>
>
> My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
> it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber
to
> green, and there is no picture...
>
> i have swapped video cards, no difference.
> i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up
frequently
> (5-10 minutes)
> i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
>
> since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
> thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my
working
> computer in there, and it still locked.
>
> any ideas on where you would go next???
>
>
> Brenda Reische
>
> Application Support Analyst
>
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> www.mdh.org
>
> (309) 833-4101
>
>
>
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Feb 11 01:00:21 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:00:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB4@NEWMAN_EXC>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AB4@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <4029D305.4060701@verizon.net>
On the combination that it is booting I'd make a boot CD for MemTEST86
and test that there arent any memory related problems. on the original
combination it sounds like the mobo took a dive.. and it even sounds
like the replacement mobo is not up to snuff, it may also be going out?
http://www.memtest86.com/
--
-Francisco
Reische, Brenda L. wrote:
> My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When turning
> it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go from amber to
> green, and there is no picture...
>
> i have swapped video cards, no difference.
> i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up frequently
> (5-10 minutes)
> i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
>
> since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
> thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my working
> computer in there, and it still locked.
>
> any ideas on where you would go next???
>
>
> Brenda Reische
>
From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Feb 11 04:11:53 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:11:53 +0100
Subject: SOLVED: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D276@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
And a thank you very much from over here....
Erwin
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:43 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
http://www.petri.co.il/add_footer_to_all_outgoing_mail.htm
We use the one for 5.5, which is found here:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=258206
Cheers,
A
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From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 11:07 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Force (HTML) footer in Exchange Server.
Hi group
Can I force a (HTML) footer for every E-mail that leaves the company
through Exchange Server (either 5.5 or 2K)?
Or some way to centralize a uniform footer for everyone, Name & Function
including.
Thx
Erwin Craps
Zaakvoerder
www.ithelps.be/jonathan
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Wed Feb 11 04:45:17 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:15:17 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
Message-ID:
If you can log in OK, you should be able to get into the registry.
Search for the error message at www.microsoft.com or www.google.com and you
should find out exactly what registry key needs to be fixed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 3:12 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
A colleague here managed to crash Windows 2000 and in doing so it corrupted
his profile. He can log in with his normal username/password, but he can't
get into Office 2000, as it says that there is an unrecognised character in
the path. Unfortunately, this also means that he can't uninstall office or
run the repair option (under any login).
Before we format the pc and start all over again, is there a profile
recovery tool that anyone knows of?
Thanks
Jon
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Feb 11 04:44:21 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:44:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D27A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
One, if u use roaming profiles, go and check your backup tapes before
the incident happened.
Two, copy the user.dat file from you colleguagues profile (loggog on as
an adminsitrator) to a Windows XP computer.
Use regedit to load the hive, regedit from Windows XP has build in
repair functionality and will repair the problems instantly while
loading as a hive. It will report when you have errors.
Erwin
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:42 PM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
A colleague here managed to crash Windows 2000 and in doing so it
corrupted his profile. He can log in with his normal username/password,
but he can't get into Office 2000, as it says that there is an
unrecognised character in the path. Unfortunately, this also means that
he can't uninstall office or run the repair option (under any login).
Before we format the pc and start all over again, is there a profile
recovery tool that anyone knows of?
Thanks
Jon
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Feb 11 04:51:35 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:51:35 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A5E9@ALCUXB>
He appears to have beaten me to it and is in the middle of reinstalling the
pc... oh well, I'll know for next time.
Thanks
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 11 February 2004 10:45
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
If you can log in OK, you should be able to get into the registry.
Search for the error message at www.microsoft.com or www.google.com and you
should find out exactly what registry key needs to be fixed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 3:12 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 2k Corrupted Profile
A colleague here managed to crash Windows 2000 and in doing so it corrupted
his profile. He can log in with his normal username/password, but he can't
get into Office 2000, as it says that there is an unrecognised character in
the path. Unfortunately, this also means that he can't uninstall office or
run the repair option (under any login).
Before we format the pc and start all over again, is there a profile
recovery tool that anyone knows of?
Thanks
Jon
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From blreische at mdh.org Wed Feb 11 07:10:02 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:10:02 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612ABF@NEWMAN_EXC>
Thanks - I'll try that. It seems that it will be Thursday before I can look
at it now. Busy with kids activities last night and tonight.
Thanks for the advice. I had asked him to return the new mobo and exchange
it (the place I got it is supposed to have 7-day no q return policy). They
refused, and sold him that new memory instead, insisting it had to be a
memory issue.
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
On the combination that it is booting I'd make a boot CD for MemTEST86
and test that there arent any memory related problems. on the original
combination it sounds like the mobo took a dive.. and it even sounds
like the replacement mobo is not up to snuff, it may also be going out?
http://www.memtest86.com/
--
-Francisco
Reische, Brenda L. wrote:
> My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When
> turning it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go
> from amber to green, and there is no picture...
>
> i have swapped video cards, no difference.
> i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up
> frequently (5-10 minutes) i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old
> video -- won't boot
>
> since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
> thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my
> working computer in there, and it still locked.
>
> any ideas on where you would go next???
>
>
> Brenda Reische
>
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From blreische at mdh.org Wed Feb 11 07:11:00 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:11:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612AC0@NEWMAN_EXC>
Interesting -- I have NOT checked the power supply. I can do that. He
doesn't have a UPS, so that lets that one out.
I hate hardware! ;-)
Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
www.mdh.org
(309) 833-4101
-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
...I've also seen this with a bad UPS :(
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force.
It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
> Power supply.
>
> I just helped a friend troubleshoot the same symptoms. In his case it
> was the power supply. And of course we swapped all the "easy" stuff
> first.
>
> 8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische,
> Brenda L.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:01 PM
> To: 'dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Computer Problems
>
>
> My father-in-law's computer locked up, then refused to boot. When
> turning it on, i see drive activity, but the monitor light doesn't go
> from amber
to
> green, and there is no picture...
>
> i have swapped video cards, no difference.
> i put new mboard & proc, old memory & video -- boots but locks up
frequently
> (5-10 minutes)
> i put new mboard & proc, new memory & old video -- won't boot
>
> since the video works with the new mboard/proc - i assume it is ok. i
> thought the lockups might be memory related, so i put memory from my
working
> computer in there, and it still locked.
>
> any ideas on where you would go next???
>
>
> Brenda Reische
>
> Application Support Analyst
>
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> www.mdh.org
>
> (309) 833-4101
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 11 11:25:01 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:25:01 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
Message-ID:
Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID card have
any major drawbacks?
TIA
John
From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 11 11:35:35 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:35:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
I should've mentioned that the server is servicing less than 10 people (3-4
normally) and its role is PDC and file sharing.
John
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:25 AM
> To: _DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated
> RAID card have
> any major drawbacks?
>
> TIA
> John
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 13:24:27 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:24:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
References:
Message-ID: <006c01c3f0d4$aa960fc0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a file server
rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be noticed.
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow"
To: "_DBA-Tech"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID card
have
> any major drawbacks?
>
> TIA
> John
>
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From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 11 14:03:10 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:03:10 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
In-Reply-To: <006c01c3f0d4$aa960fc0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID:
William,
My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS can not be on
a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this correct?
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
>
> ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a file server
> rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be noticed.
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow"
> To: "_DBA-Tech"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID card
> have
> > any major drawbacks?
> >
> > TIA
> > John
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Feb 11 14:07:29 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:07:29 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win32 API
Message-ID: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Hi All,
Have anybody any info on subj?
TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
Shamil
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Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 14:36:34 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:36:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win32
API
References: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <003e01c3f0de$bf64b500$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Shamil
...if you've not already found it, www.lebans.com has some sample mdbs and
code that might be of help to you
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "dba - Tech"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win32 API
> Hi All,
>
> Have anybody any info on subj?
>
> TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> Shamil
>
> --
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Feb 11 15:00:19 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win
32 API
Message-ID:
Shamil,
The only reference I have is a downloaded copy of the API-Guide from what
USED to be "http://www.vbapi.com" circa 2000-2001?.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:07 PM
To: dba - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win32 API
Hi All,
Have anybody any info on subj?
TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
Shamil
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 11 16:30:11 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:30:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
Message-ID: <028501c3f0ee$9c7d35c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
I have to send out a press release by email. I have about 150 email addresses of publications to send it to. The release won't be an attachment - just body text. And I'm using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support Outlook with its nice object model).
What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most efficient, or most user-stupid approach to this?
MTIA,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
From lexacorp at global.net.pg Wed Feb 11 17:01:50 2004
From: lexacorp at global.net.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:01:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
Message-ID: <402ab45e.ddc1.750675595@global.net.pg>
> I have to send out a press release by email. I have about
> 150 email addresses of publications to send it to. The
> release won't be an attachment - just body text. And I'm
> using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support Outlook
> with its nice object model).
> What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most
> efficient, or most user-stupid approach to this?
> MTIA,
>
An Access table with the addresses, a file containing the
body text and Blat.DLL called from a module which looks
through the addresses.
From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 17:22:01 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:22:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
References: <028501c3f0ee$9c7d35c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <006a01c3f0f5$da759aa0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...you can import a csv txt file of e addresses into OE's address book
(File/Import) ...from there its just a matter of creating an address book
folder with the desired addresses, making it a group, writing your text
message, selecting the group from your address book to send to, and hitting
the Send button ...your text will go as an e to each address in the group
...HTH :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "dba-tech"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
I have to send out a press release by email. I have about 150 email
addresses of publications to send it to. The release won't be an
attachment - just body text. And I'm using Outlook Express (Road Runner
don't support Outlook with its nice object model).
What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most efficient, or most
user-stupid approach to this?
MTIA,
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 11 17:23:08 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:23:08 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
References: <402ab45e.ddc1.750675595@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <02c301c3f0f6$0271f670$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
"Blat.DLL" whuzzat?
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
> > I have to send out a press release by email. I have about
> > 150 email addresses of publications to send it to. The
> > release won't be an attachment - just body text. And I'm
> > using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support Outlook
> > with its nice object model).
> > What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most
> > efficient, or most user-stupid approach to this?
> > MTIA,
> >
>
> An Access table with the addresses, a file containing the
> body text and Blat.DLL called from a module which looks
> through the addresses.
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Feb 11 17:43:02 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:43:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
References: <028501c3f0ee$9c7d35c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
<006a01c3f0f5$da759aa0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <02df01c3f0f8$ca32fa40$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
That sounds too easy. Thanks!
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
> ...you can import a csv txt file of e addresses into OE's address book
> (File/Import) ...from there its just a matter of creating an address book
> folder with the desired addresses, making it a group, writing your text
> message, selecting the group from your address book to send to, and
hitting
> the Send button ...your text will go as an e to each address in the group
> ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> To: "dba-tech"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:30 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
>
>
> I have to send out a press release by email. I have about 150 email
> addresses of publications to send it to. The release won't be an
> attachment - just body text. And I'm using Outlook Express (Road Runner
> don't support Outlook with its nice object model).
>
> What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most efficient, or most
> user-stupid approach to this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 17:46:29 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:46:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
References: <402ab45e.ddc1.750675595@global.net.pg>
<02c301c3f0f6$0271f670$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <009401c3f0f9$453f38c0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
> "Blat.DLL" whuzzat?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
>
>
> > > I have to send out a press release by email. I have about
> > > 150 email addresses of publications to send it to. The
> > > release won't be an attachment - just body text. And I'm
> > > using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support Outlook
> > > with its nice object model).
> > > What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most
> > > efficient, or most user-stupid approach to this?
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> >
> > An Access table with the addresses, a file containing the
> > body text and Blat.DLL called from a module which looks
> > through the addresses.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Feb 11 20:07:29 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:07:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Not correct. You can Mirror the OS 'volume' in Windows 2000 server, using
the software RAID. It just can't be part of a RAID 5 volume.
Go into disk management, make the main drive, and your 'second' drive
'Dynamic Disks'. It will require a reboot. Once that is done, simply right
click on your root partition, and tell it to Add Mirror.
Piece of cake.
As for your earlier question for performance issues, you won't really see
any performance drop, but you will get performance gain on drive access.
Mirrored will read twice as fast, striped will write twice as fast, and RAID
5 will read and write faster.
Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
William,
My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS can not be on
a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this correct?
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
>
> ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a file server
> rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be noticed.
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow"
> To: "_DBA-Tech"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID card
> have
> > any major drawbacks?
> >
> > TIA
> > John
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 11 22:31:38 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:31:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Drew,
Thanks for that info. I have not done software RAID and had read that when
you select the mirror drives it will want format them. That doesn't make any
sense to me if the initial drive was already formatted but then I haven't
had the oportunity to try it either.
I have always been under the impression that SCSI drives were better suited
for intensive I/O operations. But those impressions may be a bit dusty given
the advances in IDE drives oand with Serial ATA. Do you have any advice on
IDE versus SCSI drives for RAID?
Also, what's your experience of differences in I/O performance and CPU
consumption when comparing software versus hardware RAID?
John
BTW its remarkable how little relevant information I got through googling
this subject. Did I just suck at googling today or what?
:o)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> Not correct. You can Mirror the OS 'volume' in Windows 2000 server, using
> the software RAID. It just can't be part of a RAID 5 volume.
>
> Go into disk management, make the main drive, and your 'second' drive
> 'Dynamic Disks'. It will require a reboot. Once that is done,
> simply right
> click on your root partition, and tell it to Add Mirror.
>
> Piece of cake.
>
> As for your earlier question for performance issues, you won't really see
> any performance drop, but you will get performance gain on drive access.
> Mirrored will read twice as fast, striped will write twice as
> fast, and RAID
> 5 will read and write faster.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> William,
> My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS
> can not be on
> a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this correct?
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> >
> > ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a
> file server
> > rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be noticed.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow"
> > To: "_DBA-Tech"
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> > > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated
> RAID card
> > have
> > > any major drawbacks?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Feb 11 22:47:24 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:47:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
No formatting. It will 'regenerate' the mirror, but that should be obvious.
Nothing is 'changed' on the drive being mirrored.
In fact, I have swapped OS drives, by putting in a new drive, mirroring the
OS partition to the new drive, breaking the mirror, and then pulling the
original drive. Pretty easy to do, and took about 20 minutes total on a 6
gig partition (with about 2 or 3 gigs used).
SCSI are better, because they have faster I/O speeds. However, the latest
IDE are coming up to speed. The REAL catch the WHERE you have the drives.
IDE channels are limited. Modern IDE drives are usually going to max the
IDE channel speed. So if you put two drives on the same IDE channel
(Master/Slave), and then put a mirrored paritition between them, you are
going to slow things down, for writing, (because it has to write to two
drives, through the same 'channel'), and see no speed increase on reading.
Put them on seperate IDE channels, and you'll get better performance.
Obviously. SCSI drives will be faster over all. But if you go with a RAID
5 (three drive minimum), without SCSI, it's pointless, because 2 of the 3
IDE drives would have to be on the same channel.
As for CPU usage....drop in the bucket. Now, if your system powers off
hard, with a power failure, etc., then your machine is going to be a little
slow at boot, while it regenerates whatever drives you have. This is VERY
easily avoided with an UPS, that shuts the machine down normally. Other
then that particular instance, you won't see any real performance decrease
CPU wise, especially since you're getting faster I/O speeds.
A hardware raid is ALWAYS the better choice. A hardware anything is usually
a better choice. We are trying out a hardware spam blocker. It's
screaming. But that's because it's dedicated to just that. If they built a
hardware Jet DB Engine, it would scream! Grin. The real advantage with a
Hardware Raid, though, is you can then use Hot-Swappable drives. Not
something you can do with a software raid (at least not that I have heard
of.). In a absolute 24-7 environment, there is no other choice other then a
hardware raid. However, Hardware raids can get expensive (not too mention
hot-swapable drives!). Since the software raid is part and parcel with the
OS, it is obviously a bit more cost effective.
Personally, almost every machine that I own, or develop on, has software
raids of one sort or another.
Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
Drew,
Thanks for that info. I have not done software RAID and had read that when
you select the mirror drives it will want format them. That doesn't make any
sense to me if the initial drive was already formatted but then I haven't
had the oportunity to try it either.
I have always been under the impression that SCSI drives were better suited
for intensive I/O operations. But those impressions may be a bit dusty given
the advances in IDE drives oand with Serial ATA. Do you have any advice on
IDE versus SCSI drives for RAID?
Also, what's your experience of differences in I/O performance and CPU
consumption when comparing software versus hardware RAID?
John
BTW its remarkable how little relevant information I got through googling
this subject. Did I just suck at googling today or what?
:o)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> Not correct. You can Mirror the OS 'volume' in Windows 2000 server, using
> the software RAID. It just can't be part of a RAID 5 volume.
>
> Go into disk management, make the main drive, and your 'second' drive
> 'Dynamic Disks'. It will require a reboot. Once that is done,
> simply right
> click on your root partition, and tell it to Add Mirror.
>
> Piece of cake.
>
> As for your earlier question for performance issues, you won't really see
> any performance drop, but you will get performance gain on drive access.
> Mirrored will read twice as fast, striped will write twice as
> fast, and RAID
> 5 will read and write faster.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> William,
> My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS
> can not be on
> a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this correct?
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> >
> > ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a
> file server
> > rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be noticed.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow"
> > To: "_DBA-Tech"
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> > > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated
> RAID card
> > have
> > > any major drawbacks?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Feb 11 23:31:17 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:31:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
References:
Message-ID: <002101c3f129$702434c0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...same here ...used to be only servers but now I set them up on every
system since large HDs have become so cheap.
William Hindman
From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Feb 12 01:52:02 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:52:02 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D291@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
RAID 5 is slower writing than a plain disk.
It is advised not to use RAID 5 for databases files (SQL).
The reasons for this is that RAID 5 does not only have to write but also
calculate a parity bit each time you want to write. It's this
calculation that slows down the writing to the disk.
RAID 5 is also much slower when a disk of your set has crashed. For the
same reason. When one of your disks has crashed it neads to calculate
missing bit based on the parity bit each time you read.
This is the general rule. There are however WRITE-CACHE available for
hardware RAID controllers (as I have) but due to the fact this uses a
buffer (128MB READ, 128MB write in my case) I'm supose, but not sure,
some of that calculation delay if neutralized by the buffer. But again
also in this case RAID 1 would be far superior in writing speed.
So it is far better to put databases on to a mirrored disk set (RAID 1)
if you want redundancy.
The reason why SCSI is still far superior than ATA or SATA drive are
mainly these.
-No limit in the number of disks (as 4 in ATA or SATA)
-Simultaneous access of ALL disks (2 for ATA, don't really know for SATA
but I supose also 2)
So if you build a mirror with ATA you must pay attention the two disk
are on seperate controlers and are not in a master slave relation.
Master slave means that the OS can only access one disk at the time. So
if you create a mirror on two disks that are in master/slave your
mirrored writes will be done sequential and not parralel.. This will
dramaticaly slown down your writings.
Same thing creating a RAID 5 of 3 or 4 ATA disk. The OS only access 2
disks simulteneous, so you will get a drop in reading/writing.
HOWEVER.
There are companies that have RAID5 ATA/SATA controllers like adaptec.
I supose that hardware RAID controllers using ATA or SATA have solved
this issue.
Note that a hardware RAID solution is always far superior than a
software solution (altough I know 1 good advantage about software
mirror). A hardware RAID solution spoofs the Os on a hardware level
telling there is only one disk (example) and it should be considered
that way.
Meaning that the hardware controller probably solved the limitation in
some way.
But that I don't know.
I'm one of those guys that will probably never use ATA or SATA for a
server (unless a webserver with plenty memory).
On the other hand, I'm buying piece by piece for my home music computer
to have a RAID 5 with four 250GB SATA disk. I now have around 300GB of
music and video files on my disks and I'm getting pretty scared because
there no way I can backup this in a cheap way. AndI'm only half way
putting my music collection on disk!!! So four 250GB SATA drives in a
RAID 5 leaving me 750 GB would be nice....
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
Not correct. You can Mirror the OS 'volume' in Windows 2000 server,
using the software RAID. It just can't be part of a RAID 5 volume.
Go into disk management, make the main drive, and your 'second' drive
'Dynamic Disks'. It will require a reboot. Once that is done, simply
right click on your root partition, and tell it to Add Mirror.
Piece of cake.
As for your earlier question for performance issues, you won't really
see any performance drop, but you will get performance gain on drive
access.
Mirrored will read twice as fast, striped will write twice as fast, and
RAID
5 will read and write faster.
Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
William,
My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS can not
be on a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this
correct?
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
>
> ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a file
> server rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be
noticed.
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow"
> To: "_DBA-Tech"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID
> > card
> have
> > any major drawbacks?
> >
> > TIA
> > John
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Feb 12 01:58:04 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:58:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D292@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
William
Some internetproviders have a limitation the the number of recipiants
you can put in one E-mail.
I hear the nummber 99 often.
It's only 150, so I would try to send your E-mail in two times.
Don't forget to put the recipiants in BCC and put yourself in TO.
Erwin
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
> "Blat.DLL" whuzzat?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
>
>
> > > I have to send out a press release by email. I have about
> > > 150 email addresses of publications to send it to. The
> > > release won't be an attachment - just body text. And I'm
> > > using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support Outlook
> > > with its nice object model).
> > > What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most
> > > efficient, or most user-stupid approach to this?
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> >
> > An Access table with the addresses, a file containing the
> > body text and Blat.DLL called from a module which looks
> > through the addresses.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 12 01:58:00 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:58:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using Win32
API
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
References: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <1791698011.20040212085800@cactus.dk>
Hi Shamil
That may not be possible at all. Read here:
http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
/gustav
> Have anybody any info on subj?
> TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> Shamil
From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 12 02:20:11 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:20:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D291@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c3f141$0898b660$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...hhhmmm ...lots and lots of "it depends" on some of these declarations
...try this source for pretty good overview of all the factors involved :
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/perf/raid/index.html ...HTH
:)
William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:52 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> RAID 5 is slower writing than a plain disk.
> It is advised not to use RAID 5 for databases files (SQL).
>
> The reasons for this is that RAID 5 does not only have to write but also
> calculate a parity bit each time you want to write. It's this
> calculation that slows down the writing to the disk.
> RAID 5 is also much slower when a disk of your set has crashed. For the
> same reason. When one of your disks has crashed it neads to calculate
> missing bit based on the parity bit each time you read.
> This is the general rule. There are however WRITE-CACHE available for
> hardware RAID controllers (as I have) but due to the fact this uses a
> buffer (128MB READ, 128MB write in my case) I'm supose, but not sure,
> some of that calculation delay if neutralized by the buffer. But again
> also in this case RAID 1 would be far superior in writing speed.
>
> So it is far better to put databases on to a mirrored disk set (RAID 1)
> if you want redundancy.
>
> The reason why SCSI is still far superior than ATA or SATA drive are
> mainly these.
> -No limit in the number of disks (as 4 in ATA or SATA)
> -Simultaneous access of ALL disks (2 for ATA, don't really know for SATA
> but I supose also 2)
>
>
> So if you build a mirror with ATA you must pay attention the two disk
> are on seperate controlers and are not in a master slave relation.
> Master slave means that the OS can only access one disk at the time. So
> if you create a mirror on two disks that are in master/slave your
> mirrored writes will be done sequential and not parralel.. This will
> dramaticaly slown down your writings.
> Same thing creating a RAID 5 of 3 or 4 ATA disk. The OS only access 2
> disks simulteneous, so you will get a drop in reading/writing.
>
> HOWEVER.
> There are companies that have RAID5 ATA/SATA controllers like adaptec.
> I supose that hardware RAID controllers using ATA or SATA have solved
> this issue.
> Note that a hardware RAID solution is always far superior than a
> software solution (altough I know 1 good advantage about software
> mirror). A hardware RAID solution spoofs the Os on a hardware level
> telling there is only one disk (example) and it should be considered
> that way.
> Meaning that the hardware controller probably solved the limitation in
> some way.
> But that I don't know.
> I'm one of those guys that will probably never use ATA or SATA for a
> server (unless a webserver with plenty memory).
>
> On the other hand, I'm buying piece by piece for my home music computer
> to have a RAID 5 with four 250GB SATA disk. I now have around 300GB of
> music and video files on my disks and I'm getting pretty scared because
> there no way I can backup this in a cheap way. AndI'm only half way
> putting my music collection on disk!!! So four 250GB SATA drives in a
> RAID 5 leaving me 750 GB would be nice....
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:07 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
> Not correct. You can Mirror the OS 'volume' in Windows 2000 server,
> using the software RAID. It just can't be part of a RAID 5 volume.
>
> Go into disk management, make the main drive, and your 'second' drive
> 'Dynamic Disks'. It will require a reboot. Once that is done, simply
> right click on your root partition, and tell it to Add Mirror.
>
> Piece of cake.
>
> As for your earlier question for performance issues, you won't really
> see any performance drop, but you will get performance gain on drive
> access.
> Mirrored will read twice as fast, striped will write twice as fast, and
> RAID
> 5 will read and write faster.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
>
>
> William,
> My understanding is that when using software RAID 1 Windows OS can not
> be on a mirrored drive. When using hardware RAID 1 it can. is this
> correct?
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:24 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> >
> > ...it takes up cpu cycles ...but if your server is primarily a file
> > server rather than applications oriented, the added cycles won't be
> noticed.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> > force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow"
> > To: "_DBA-Tech"
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:25 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2k Server and RAID
> >
> >
> > > Does configuring RAID 1 with Win2k Server without a dedicated RAID
> > > card
> > have
> > > any major drawbacks?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 12 06:27:16 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:27:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30786042@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB243@ADGSERVER>
Rocky,
Just so you know, you can use Outlook on RoadRunner. Just don't expect any
support from them. I have been using Outlook with them for years.
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:30 PM
To: dba-tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
I have to send out a press release by email. I have about 150 email
addresses of publications to send it to. The release won't be an attachment
- just body text. And I'm using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't support
Outlook with its nice object model).
What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most efficient, or most
user-stupid approach to this?
MTIA,
Rocky Smolin
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Feb 12 09:17:19 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:17:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB243@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <003e01c3f17b$4ebce6e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Oh yeah, I know. I started with Outlook but went to OE for the tech
support.
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Heid"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:27 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
> Rocky,
>
> Just so you know, you can use Outlook on RoadRunner. Just don't expect
any
> support from them. I have been using Outlook with them for years.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:30 PM
> To: dba-tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Big Emailing
>
>
> I have to send out a press release by email. I have about 150 email
> addresses of publications to send it to. The release won't be an
attachment
> - just body text. And I'm using Outlook Express (Road Runner don't
support
> Outlook with its nice object model).
>
> What would be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most efficient, or most
> user-stupid approach to this?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Feb 13 03:45:34 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:45:34 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using
Win32API
References: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
<1791698011.20040212085800@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000701c3f216$2225a2c0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Thanks for the info, Gustav!
So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
Any betters here? :)
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using
Win32API
> Hi Shamil
>
> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Have anybody any info on subj?
>
> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > Shamil
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 13 05:28:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:28:09 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms using
Win32API
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f216$2225a2c0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
References: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
<1791698011.20040212085800@cactus.dk> <000701c3f216$2225a2c0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <14912707041.20040213122809@cactus.dk>
Hi Shamil
> So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
Certainly!
> Any betters here? :)
Njah, not me ...
Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx to
handle that?
/gustav
>> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
>>
>> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> > Have anybody any info on subj?
>>
>> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
>> > Shamil
From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Feb 13 08:18:36 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:18:36 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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> couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a rogue
for MS Access forms and controls...
> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
2. skins
3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric figures
around controls to highlight special values etc...
4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Hi Shamil
>
> > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
>
> Certainly!
>
> > Any betters here? :)
>
> Njah, not me ...
>
> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
> anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx to
> handle that?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> >>
> >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> >>
> >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> >> > Shamil
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Feb 13 08:32:24 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:32:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin3
2API
Message-ID:
Hypocycloid Charts? ;)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a rogue for
MS Access forms and controls...
> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
2. skins
3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric figures
around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just fun of extreme
VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Hi Shamil
>
> > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
>
> Certainly!
>
> > Any betters here? :)
>
> Njah, not me ...
>
> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
> anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx to
> handle that?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> >>
> >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> >>
> >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> >> > Shamil
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 13 08:52:07 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:52:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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Hi Shamil
>> couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a rogue
> for MS Access forms and controls...
I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
could prove useful.
>> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> 2. skins
> 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric figures
> around controls to highlight special values etc...
> 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
OK. I never had a need which couldn't be done by popping (hide/unhide)
one or two icon-size graphics ... maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
/gustav
>> > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
>>
>> Certainly!
>>
>> > Any betters here? :)
>>
>> Njah, not me ...
>>
>> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
>> anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx to
>> handle that?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
>> >>
>> >> /gustav
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
>> >>
>> >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
>> >> > Shamil
From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Feb 13 08:52:20 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:52:20 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References:
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OK, Mark, thanks for your addition -
http://www.j-walk.com/ss/excel/files/hypocycloid.htm - they look really
great - I didn't know about them...
1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
2. skins
3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric figures
around controls to highlight special values etc...
4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
5. Hypocycloid Charts (Mark Mitsules wish)
6. ??? (something else anybody) ???
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Hypocycloid Charts? ;)
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru]
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
rogue for
> MS Access forms and controls...
>
> > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> 2. skins
> 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
figures
> around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just fun of
extreme
> VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
>
> Shamil
>
<<< tail skipped for brevity >>>
From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 13 09:54:36 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:54:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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Shamil
...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing circles/shapes
around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me produce
circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually drawing on the
form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used it for
splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience looking
to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I was
using something other than pure Access :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a rogue
> for MS Access forms and controls...
>
> > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> 2. skins
> 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric figures
> around controls to highlight special values etc...
> 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> >
> > Certainly!
> >
> > > Any betters here? :)
> >
> > Njah, not me ...
> >
> > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
> > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx to
> > handle that?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > >>
> > >> /gustav
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > >>
> > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > >> > Shamil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Feb 13 10:20:11 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:20:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin3
2API
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>> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
William,
I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration? I
downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form would be
very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
Shamil
...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing circles/shapes
around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me produce
circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually drawing on the
form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used it for
splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience looking
to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I was
using something other than pure Access :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force.
It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
>
> > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> 2. skins
> 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just fun
> of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> >
> > Certainly!
> >
> > > Any betters here? :)
> >
> > Njah, not me ...
> >
> > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
> > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
> > to handle that?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > >>
> > >> /gustav
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > >>
> > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > >> > Shamil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Feb 13 10:18:56 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:18:56 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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> ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97
William, is that something like this?
http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/ShapedForm.zip
probably programmed based on this source?:
http://www.xploiter.com/programming/c/borland/2927.html
> ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
circles/shapes
> around controls
Yes, I've seen them - look good!
But all that is a simulation/imitation - the challenge is to use the
unlimited power of Win32API...
What do you think - when the solution found can it be used for some real
life tasks?
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Shamil
>
> ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
circles/shapes
> around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
>
> ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me
produce
> circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually drawing
on the
> form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used
it for
> splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
looking
> to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I
was
> using something other than pure Access :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
rogue
> > for MS Access forms and controls...
> >
> > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > 2. skins
> > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
figures
> > around controls to highlight special values etc...
> > 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> > 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shamil
> > >
> > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > >
> > > Certainly!
> > >
> > > > Any betters here? :)
> > >
> > > Njah, not me ...
> > >
> > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
were
> > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
to
> > > handle that?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > >>
> > > >> /gustav
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > >>
> > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > >> > Shamil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Feb 13 10:23:47 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:23:47 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References: <000b01c3f0da$bc03faa0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
<1791698011.20040212085800@cactus.dk> <000701c3f216$2225a2c0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
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<15524944548.20040213155207@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001101c3f24d$c39a0380$0201a8c0@PARIS>
> I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
> could prove useful.
Sorry, Gustav, I didn't get that - could you please clarify?
> maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
Maybe you're lucky to have not-exacting to your apps' GUI customers? :)
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Hi Shamil
>
> >> couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
>
> > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
rogue
> > for MS Access forms and controls...
>
> I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
> could prove useful.
>
> >> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
>
> > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > 2. skins
> > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
figures
> > around controls to highlight special values etc...
> > 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> > 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
>
> OK. I never had a need which couldn't be done by popping (hide/unhide)
> one or two icon-size graphics ... maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
>
> /gustav
>
> >> > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> >>
> >> Certainly!
> >>
> >> > Any betters here? :)
> >>
> >> Njah, not me ...
> >>
> >> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
were
> >> anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
to
> >> handle that?
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> /gustav
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> >> >>
> >> >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> >> >> > Shamil
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 13 10:40:51 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:40:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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Hi Shamil
>> I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
>> could prove useful.
> Sorry, Gustav, I didn't get that - could you please clarify?
I just meant that if you were about finishing a job, with only some of
this graphics missing, maybe some ocx could do even it was limited in
features compared to what you probably will be able to create by
custom (time consuming) hand programming.
>> maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
> Maybe you're lucky to have not-exacting to your apps' GUI customers? :)
Yeah, most jobs are related to accounting or statistics ...
/gustav
From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Feb 13 14:02:06 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:02:06 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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Shamil
Go to www.activ8.com.au and look at the interface and menu system to a
database called Pathways.
Real graphic heavy. ben has a way of doing this which dosnt cause many
problems in Access, Hes a nice guy and really helpful. I am sure he would
give you some advise on the use of graphics etc
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> > I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
> > could prove useful.
> Sorry, Gustav, I didn't get that - could you please clarify?
>
> > maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
> Maybe you're lucky to have not-exacting to your apps' GUI customers? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > >> couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> >
> > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> rogue
> > > for MS Access forms and controls...
> >
> > I know - but if you had a job to done now, even a limited solution
> > could prove useful.
> >
> > >> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> >
> > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > 2. skins
> > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> figures
> > > around controls to highlight special values etc...
> > > 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> > > 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> >
> > OK. I never had a need which couldn't be done by popping (hide/unhide)
> > one or two icon-size graphics ... maybe lack of fantasy from my side?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >> > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > >>
> > >> Certainly!
> > >>
> > >> > Any betters here? :)
> > >>
> > >> Njah, not me ...
> > >>
> > >> Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
> were
> > >> anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
> to
> > >> handle that?
> > >>
> > >> /gustav
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > >> >>
> > >> >> /gustav
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > >> >> > Shamil
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 13 17:07:54 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:07:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
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...that's it ...still works perfectly in AXP :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97
> William, is that something like this?
> http://www.mvps.org/access/downloads/ShapedForm.zip
> probably programmed based on this source?:
> http://www.xploiter.com/programming/c/borland/2927.html
>
> > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
> circles/shapes
> > around controls
> Yes, I've seen them - look good!
>
> But all that is a simulation/imitation - the challenge is to use the
> unlimited power of Win32API...
>
> What do you think - when the solution found can it be used for some real
> life tasks?
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
> circles/shapes
> > around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
> >
> > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me
> produce
> > circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually drawing
> on the
> > form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used
> it for
> > splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
> looking
> > to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I
> was
> > using something other than pure Access :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> rogue
> > > for MS Access forms and controls...
> > >
> > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > 2. skins
> > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> figures
> > > around controls to highlight special values etc...
> > > 4. just fun of extreme VBA programming
> > > 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Shamil
> > > >
> > > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > > >
> > > > Certainly!
> > > >
> > > > > Any betters here? :)
> > > >
> > > > Njah, not me ...
> > > >
> > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
> were
> > > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
> to
> > > > handle that?
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > > >>
> > > > >> /gustav
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > > >> > Shamil
> > > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 13 17:11:27 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:11:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References:
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...I've never tried anything anywhere near that complex ...round and polygon
windows are more than enough to impress the hell out of my clients :)
...but it looks like Shamil even has the source for that source ...love to
see the results if he takes it any further :)
William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> >> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
>
> William,
>
> I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration? I
> downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form would be
> very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
> capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> Shamil
>
> ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing circles/shapes
> around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
>
> ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me
produce
> circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually drawing on
the
> form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used it
for
> splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience looking
> to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I was
> using something other than pure Access :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force.
> It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> > rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
> >
> > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > 2. skins
> > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> > figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just fun
> > of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shamil
> > >
> > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > >
> > > Certainly!
> > >
> > > > Any betters here? :)
> > >
> > > Njah, not me ...
> > >
> > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it were
> > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an ocx
> > > to handle that?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > >>
> > > >> /gustav
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > >>
> > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > >> > Shamil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:11:24 -0500
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Feb 16 09:24:39 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:24:39 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Beach Access Launches E-Z-MRP
Message-ID: <003101c3f4a0$fe748660$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
An E-Z-MRP customer writes:
"One problem that we are running into, using windows XP Pro as an OS on the server, (XP and 2000, maybe others), allow only 10 users of the server over the network. Good old Bill G. wants you to use W 2003 Server as an OS and PAY for seats!"
Is this true? I knew there was that artificial limitation in MSDE.
Regards,
Rocky
From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Feb 16 13:11:02 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:11:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Beach Access Launches E-Z-MRP
References: <003101c3f4a0$fe748660$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <403115C6.5030003@shaw.ca>
Yep 10 connections for WinXP Pro and 5 connections for Win Home
You could lower the no activity autodisconnect time from the default of
15 minutes, to say 5 minutes that might help.
net config server /autodisconnect:time_before_autodisconnect
See:
Inbound Connections Limit in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314882
Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>An E-Z-MRP customer writes:
>
>"One problem that we are running into, using windows XP Pro as an OS on the server, (XP and 2000, maybe others), allow only 10 users of the server over the network. Good old Bill G. wants you to use W 2003 Server as an OS and PAY for seats!"
>
>Is this true? I knew there was that artificial limitation in MSDE.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rocky
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 15:41:34 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:41:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Beach Access Launches E-Z-MRP
References: <003101c3f4a0$fe748660$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <012d01c3f4d5$a600d670$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...true but there's a damn good reason for it ...networking with XP Pro is
peer-to-peer which has some rather severe limitations when you get above
more than a few users ...W2003 has all kinds of advantages over WXP as a
server, even in a straight file server configuration ...and the best bargain
anywhere is the MS Small Business Server package with device cals :)
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "dba-tech"
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: Beach Access Launches E-Z-MRP
An E-Z-MRP customer writes:
"One problem that we are running into, using windows XP Pro as an OS on the
server, (XP and 2000, maybe others), allow only 10 users of the server over
the network. Good old Bill G. wants you to use W 2003 Server as an OS and
PAY for seats!"
Is this true? I knew there was that artificial limitation in MSDE.
Regards,
Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 16 18:06:36 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:06:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
Message-ID:
Suddenly IEs fonts are unreadably tiny. I just installed the latest windows
update. Did that do this? Anyone know how to set the font that IE uses?
This appears to be a problem on a specific site, i.e. msnbc. Newegg looks
normal, MSN.Com looks normal. Hmmm...
Any ideas?
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Feb 16 18:10:57 2004
From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (juanz)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:10:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <200402170010.i1H0ApfD046948@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
John,
Go to View, Text Size and change from smallest to Medium.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:07 PM
To: DBA - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
Suddenly IEs fonts are unreadably tiny. I just installed the latest windows
update. Did that do this? Anyone know how to set the font that IE uses?
This appears to be a problem on a specific site, i.e. msnbc. Newegg looks
normal, MSN.Com looks normal. Hmmm...
Any ideas?
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Feb 16 18:36:16 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:36:16 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References:
<004f01c3f286$b56943a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <002c01c3f4ee$28c50460$0201a8c0@PARIS>
>...love to see the results if he takes it any further :)
You're welcome, William and all! :)
I made it.
Here are the pics of the two test cases:
http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
This is an MS Access form without any activeX etc. - the pics are drawn
on the detail section surface. I use my custom C++ DLL but not for
visual part of this MS Access application...
Resize is still a problem. Repaint seems always work OK after minimize
or making hidden/visible the form or its parts etc. I don't think I
will work on fixing resize now - it was quite some free labor work and
it is enough for now...
I tested it on MS Win2K and MS Access 97/2000/XP. Hopefully it will work
on other MS Windows/Access versions too. Of course there is some tricky
hacking here but it shows itself as stable and no GPF after heavy load
with all that incredibly wonderful hypocycloid graphics...
Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
- MS Win95
- MS Win98
- MS WinNT
- MS WinXP
- MS Windows .NET Server and
- all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site.
I plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA programming
stuff I'm cooking here...
I need to work intensively on a new project now - so there is no enough
time here to
continue with quick preparing of this info for publication.
Mark, thanks for your proposal to play with Hypocycloids - they are
fascinating!
Shamil
P.S. I will need only one volunteer tester for each MS Windows/MS Access
version combination. I will publish on my site the info on testing
results and the tester(if they want) as soon as I get positive feedback.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> ...I've never tried anything anywhere near that complex ...round and
polygon
> windows are more than enough to impress the hell out of my clients :)
>
> ...but it looks like Shamil even has the source for that source
...love to
> see the results if he takes it any further :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > >> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
> >
> > William,
> >
> > I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration? I
> > downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form
would be
> > very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
> > capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
circles/shapes
> > around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
> >
> > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me
> produce
> > circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually
drawing on
> the
> > form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used
it
> for
> > splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
looking
> > to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I
was
> > using something other than pure Access :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government
is
> force.
> > It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> > > rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
> > >
> > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > 2. skins
> > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> > > figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just
fun
> > > of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Shamil
> > > >
> > > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > > >
> > > > Certainly!
> > > >
> > > > > Any betters here? :)
> > > >
> > > > Njah, not me ...
> > > >
> > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
were
> > > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an
ocx
> > > > to handle that?
> > > >
> > > > /gustav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > > >>
> > > > >> /gustav
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > > >> > Shamil
> > > >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 16 18:56:36 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:56:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
In-Reply-To: <200402170010.i1H0ApfD046948@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID:
Juan,
Thanks. It turns out IE was having spasms. The site would load at medium
and then "revert" to smallest. You could see it happen. I closed IE and
re-opened and the problem went away.
I do so love Windows.
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of juanz
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
John,
Go to View, Text Size and change from smallest to Medium.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:07 PM
To: DBA - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
Suddenly IEs fonts are unreadably tiny. I just installed the latest windows
update. Did that do this? Anyone know how to set the font that IE uses?
This appears to be a problem on a specific site, i.e. msnbc. Newegg looks
normal, MSN.Com looks normal. Hmmm...
Any ideas?
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Feb 16 19:12:52 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 04:12:52 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocycloids
Message-ID: <000701c3f4f3$2fe01230$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Hi All,
If somebody isn't yet aware what hypocycloids are - here is a small C++
program I wrote for testing purposes:
http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/watchHypocycloids.zip (27375 bytes)
It's ported to MS Access VBA sample mentioned in my another message
here.
If all the tests will go well then VBA programmers will be able to do
the similar things using just MS Access, MS Word, MS Excel VBA....
Shamil
--
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Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 16 20:04:34 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:04:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocycloids
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f4f3$2fe01230$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID:
How fun!
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:13 PM
To: dba - Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hypocycloids
Hi All,
If somebody isn't yet aware what hypocycloids are - here is a small C++
program I wrote for testing purposes:
http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/watchHypocycloids.zip (27375 bytes)
It's ported to MS Access VBA sample mentioned in my another message
here.
If all the tests will go well then VBA programmers will be able to do
the similar things using just MS Access, MS Word, MS Excel VBA....
Shamil
--
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Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 22:39:41 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:39:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References: <004f01c3f286$b56943a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
<002c01c3f4ee$28c50460$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <003c01c3f510$0ee8b740$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...put me down for Win XP and Access 2002! :)
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> >...love to see the results if he takes it any further :)
> You're welcome, William and all! :)
>
> I made it.
>
> Here are the pics of the two test cases:
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
>
> This is an MS Access form without any activeX etc. - the pics are drawn
> on the detail section surface. I use my custom C++ DLL but not for
> visual part of this MS Access application...
> Resize is still a problem. Repaint seems always work OK after minimize
> or making hidden/visible the form or its parts etc. I don't think I
> will work on fixing resize now - it was quite some free labor work and
> it is enough for now...
>
> I tested it on MS Win2K and MS Access 97/2000/XP. Hopefully it will work
> on other MS Windows/Access versions too. Of course there is some tricky
> hacking here but it shows itself as stable and no GPF after heavy load
> with all that incredibly wonderful hypocycloid graphics...
>
> Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
>
> - MS Win95
> - MS Win98
> - MS WinNT
> - MS WinXP
> - MS Windows .NET Server and
> - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
>
> I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
> clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site.
> I plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA programming
> stuff I'm cooking here...
> I need to work intensively on a new project now - so there is no enough
> time here to
> continue with quick preparing of this info for publication.
>
> Mark, thanks for your proposal to play with Hypocycloids - they are
> fascinating!
>
> Shamil
>
> P.S. I will need only one volunteer tester for each MS Windows/MS Access
> version combination. I will publish on my site the info on testing
> results and the tester(if they want) as soon as I get positive feedback.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > ...I've never tried anything anywhere near that complex ...round and
> polygon
> > windows are more than enough to impress the hell out of my clients :)
> >
> > ...but it looks like Shamil even has the source for that source
> ...love to
> > see the results if he takes it any further :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
> > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > >> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
> > >
> > > William,
> > >
> > > I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration? I
> > > downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form
> would be
> > > very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
> > > capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
> circles/shapes
> > > around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
> > >
> > > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets me
> > produce
> > > circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually
> drawing on
> > the
> > > form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only used
> it
> > for
> > > splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
> looking
> > > to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear I
> was
> > > using something other than pure Access :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government
> is
> > force.
> > > It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is a
> > > > rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
> > > >
> > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > > 2. skins
> > > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> > > > figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4. just
> fun
> > > > of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > > usingWin32API
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Any betters here? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Njah, not me ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If it
> were
> > > > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an
> ocx
> > > > > to handle that?
> > > > >
> > > > > /gustav
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> /gustav
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > > > >> > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > > >
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> > >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Feb 17 01:48:01 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:48:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
References:
Message-ID: <4031C731.2040709@shaw.ca>
You can also change the font size with a scroll wheel in IE just depress
the CTL key and rotate the scroll wheel to the size you want.
Maybe this is what happened.
John W. Colby wrote:
>Juan,
>
>Thanks. It turns out IE was having spasms. The site would load at medium
>and then "revert" to smallest. You could see it happen. I closed IE and
>re-opened and the problem went away.
>
>I do so love Windows.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of juanz
>Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:11 PM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
>
>
>John,
>
>Go to View, Text Size and change from smallest to Medium.
>
>Juan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:07 PM
>To: DBA - Tech
>Subject: [dba-Tech] IE fonts TINY
>
>Suddenly IEs fonts are unreadably tiny. I just installed the latest windows
>update. Did that do this? Anyone know how to set the font that IE uses?
>This appears to be a problem on a specific site, i.e. msnbc. Newegg looks
>normal, MSN.Com looks normal. Hmmm...
>
>Any ideas?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Feb 17 02:53:38 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:53:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
In-Reply-To: <002c01c3f4ee$28c50460$0201a8c0@PARIS>
References:
<004f01c3f286$b56943a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
<002c01c3f4ee$28c50460$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <553721981.20040217095338@cactus.dk>
Hi Shamil
Nice work indeed!
I would be happy to contribute with some testing but I'm running the
same Win/Access combinations as yourself, so - except for the odd
chance that you would include testing on Access 95 (!) - I can't.
/gustav
> Date: 2004-02-17 01:36
> I made it.
> Here are the pics of the two test cases:
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
> This is an MS Access form without any activeX etc. - the pics are drawn
> on the detail section surface. I use my custom C++ DLL but not for
> visual part of this MS Access application...
> Resize is still a problem. Repaint seems always work OK after minimize
> or making hidden/visible the form or its parts etc. I don't think I
> will work on fixing resize now - it was quite some free labor work and
> it is enough for now...
> I tested it on MS Win2K and MS Access 97/2000/XP. Hopefully it will work
> on other MS Windows/Access versions too. Of course there is some tricky
> hacking here but it shows itself as stable and no GPF after heavy load
> with all that incredibly wonderful hypocycloid graphics...
> Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
> - MS Win95
> - MS Win98
> - MS WinNT
> - MS WinXP
> - MS Windows .NET Server and
> - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Feb 17 04:26:20 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 05:26:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
In-Reply-To: <002c01c3f4ee$28c50460$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <4031A5FC.18148.162BC7@localhost>
On 17 Feb 2004 at 3:36, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
>
> - MS Win95
> - MS Win98
> - MS WinNT
> - MS WinXP
> - MS Windows .NET Server and
> - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
> I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
> clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site. I
> plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA
> programming stuff I'm cooking here... I need to work intensively on a
I can test on W2K/A2K and WinXP A97/A2K/AXP
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about
other things as well.
From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 17 08:56:32 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:56:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References: <4031A5FC.18148.162BC7@localhost>
Message-ID: <007f01c3f566$3b9ba030$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Shamil:
I've got A97 and A2K on W98.
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> On 17 Feb 2004 at 3:36, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> > Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
> >
> > - MS Win95
> > - MS Win98
> > - MS WinNT
> > - MS WinXP
> > - MS Windows .NET Server and
> > - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
>
> > I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> > I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
> > clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site. I
> > plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> > sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA
> > programming stuff I'm cooking here... I need to work intensively on a
>
> I can test on W2K/A2K and WinXP A97/A2K/AXP
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about
> other things as well.
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Feb 17 16:29:26 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:29:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] what's up with this?
Message-ID: <022001c3f5a5$806334a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Some one on this list will know, I'm sure:
Occasionally I get a spam with a bunch of words at the bottom like this:
beachhead suppressible strike burl sensitive gherkin hereunto regent pornographer chimera arturo observation prime cab carbone invitation consent thicket cemetery helium plummet downbeat limitate anything aye director buret ditty stereo coinage abusable
Why?
Inquiring minds want to know. (gherkin?)
Regards,
Rocky
From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Feb 17 16:38:44 2004
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:38:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] what's up with this?
References: <022001c3f5a5$806334a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000a01c3f5a6$cd5371c0$0200a8c0@upstairs>
It's to spoof Bayesian filters... there is a list of words which are
acceptable, and if an e-mail contains words found on that list, then your
spam blocker will let it through, is the theory...
Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "dba-tech"
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:29 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] what's up with this?
Some one on this list will know, I'm sure:
Occasionally I get a spam with a bunch of words at the bottom like this:
beachhead suppressible strike burl sensitive gherkin hereunto regent
pornographer chimera arturo observation prime cab carbone invitation consent
thicket cemetery helium plummet downbeat limitate anything aye director
buret ditty stereo coinage abusable
Why?
Inquiring minds want to know. (gherkin?)
Regards,
Rocky
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Feb 17 16:41:25 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:41:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] what's up with this?
In-Reply-To: <022001c3f5a5$806334a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <40332535.13664.D5DC0@localhost>
On 17 Feb 2004 at 14:29, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
> Some one on this list will know, I'm sure:
>
> Occasionally I get a spam with a bunch of words at the bottom like this:
>
> beachhead suppressible strike burl sensitive gherkin hereunto regent pornographer chimera arturo observation prime cab carbone invitation consent thicket cemetery helium plummet downbeat limitate anything aye director buret ditty stereo coinage abusable
>
> Why?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know. (gherkin?)
>
More and more people are using Bayesian filtering such as Popfile or
K9 to trap spam. They are very effective and are becoming quite
prevelant on mailsystems. As a result spammers are getting less and
less spam actually delivered to end users.
The list of words is designed to get past Bayesian filters by
1. adding to the count of "good" or "benign" words in a the
individual message and
2. eventually skewing the databases.
(Incidentally, it's not working )
--
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
Support.
From shamil-users at mns.ru Tue Feb 17 20:02:04 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 05:02:04 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References: <4031A5FC.18148.162BC7@localhost>
<007f01c3f566$3b9ba030$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003d01c3f5c3$370a36f0$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Hi All,
I prepared sample installations and infromed all the volunteers how to
acquire them for beta testing.
I Ggo to sleep now (5 a.m. in the morning here GMT+3) and I hopefully
get positive feedback this afternoon.
The testing shouldn't take more than 5 minutes maybe even less because
the sample databases are packed into automatic installations, which take
several seconds to install/uninstall...
I still need volunteers for testing on MS Win95 and MS Windows 2003/.NET
and on MS Access 2003.
Anydoby wanted to see something like these nice pictures on their own
PCs?
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
Thanks in advance for your help and time!
Shamil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Shamil:
>
> I've got A97 and A2K on W98.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > On 17 Feb 2004 at 3:36, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> >
> > > Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
> > >
> > > - MS Win95
> > > - MS Win98
> > > - MS WinNT
> > > - MS WinXP
> > > - MS Windows .NET Server and
> > > - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
> >
> > > I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> > > I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not
be
> > > clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my
site. I
> > > plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> > > sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA
> > > programming stuff I'm cooking here... I need to work intensively
on a
> >
> > I can test on W2K/A2K and WinXP A97/A2K/AXP
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about
> > other things as well.
> >
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From john at winhaven.net Tue Feb 17 23:11:51 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:11:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] what's up with this?
In-Reply-To: <022001c3f5a5$806334a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID:
If you read my post on the OT list subject "swearing" you'll know what it
means...
ol' Charlie is still around I guess!
John B.
Inquiring minds want to know. (gherkin?)
Regards,
Rocky
From john at winhaven.net Wed Feb 18 17:25:30 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:25:30 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Updates and MSDN
Message-ID:
Does anyone know if the MSDN subscriptions include the Windows Updates on
disk?
JB
From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Feb 19 08:32:40 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:32:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Updates and MSDN
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30795F49@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB26D@ADGSERVER>
They didn't when I had MSDN several years ago. I do not know about now.
Bobby
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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:25 PM
To: _DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Updates and MSDN
Does anyone know if the MSDN subscriptions include the Windows Updates on
disk?
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Feb 20 05:47:37 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:47:37 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6C2@ALCUXB>
Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like at
all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
Jon
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 20 07:05:51 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:05:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6C2@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <000401c3f7b2$43fefe90$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Jon
...think the only way to do this is to set a Local Group Policy from an
Admin log-on that defines the display settings you want and then to lock
them preventing any other user from changing them ...HTH :)
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda"
To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
> hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
> database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
> changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
> each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like
at
> all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
>
>
> Jon
>
>
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Feb 20 07:42:08 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:12:08 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Message-ID:
Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
1) Database Server on XP???
2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so the UI
performance is irrelevant..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like at
all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
Jon
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Feb 20 08:07:00 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:07:00 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6C7@ALCUXB>
I've got to leave it logged in for some of the other software on it to
work... plus we tend to leave all of the servers logged in and locked here,
just the "way things are done".
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 20 February 2004 13:42
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
1) Database Server on XP???
2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so the UI
performance is irrelevant..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like at
all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
Jon
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 20 08:28:50 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:28:50 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6C7@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <006301c3f7bd$dbe6ee10$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...you leave an admin logged in to a server? ...yikes!!!!!! :(((((((((
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> I've got to leave it logged in for some of the other software on it to
> work... plus we tend to leave all of the servers logged in and locked
here,
> just the "way things are done".
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
> Sent: 20 February 2004 13:42
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
>
> 1) Database Server on XP???
> 2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so the
UI
> performance is irrelevant..
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
> To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
> Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
> hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
> database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
> changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
> each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like
at
> all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
>
>
> Jon
>
>
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Feb 20 08:28:07 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:28:07 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6CB@ALCUXB>
yes, but all the servers are sitting 3 feet away from me - no-one's going
near them...
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: 20 February 2004 14:29
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
...you leave an admin logged in to a server? ...yikes!!!!!! :(((((((((
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> I've got to leave it logged in for some of the other software on it to
> work... plus we tend to leave all of the servers logged in and locked
here,
> just the "way things are done".
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
> Sent: 20 February 2004 13:42
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
>
> 1) Database Server on XP???
> 2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so the
UI
> performance is irrelevant..
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
> To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
> Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently? I
> hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on a
> database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back. I've
> changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
> each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything XP-like
at
> all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
>
>
> Jon
>
>
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to
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 20 08:41:57 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:41:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6CB@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <007801c3f7bf$b0ddb580$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
...if you're connected to the net, it doesn't matter how close you are ...no
firewall/AV works against everything, especially things new in the wild in
the hours/days before an update is posted ...with an admin log-in active on
your server, its one less wall a hacker has to breech ...one of the hardest
ones. :(
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> yes, but all the servers are sitting 3 feet away from me - no-one's going
> near them...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: 20 February 2004 14:29
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> ...you leave an admin logged in to a server? ...yikes!!!!!! :(((((((((
>
> William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees
with
> me." Disraeli
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Tydda"
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> > I've got to leave it logged in for some of the other software on it to
> > work... plus we tend to leave all of the servers logged in and locked
> here,
> > just the "way things are done".
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
> > Sent: 20 February 2004 13:42
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
> >
> > 1) Database Server on XP???
> > 2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so
the
> UI
> > performance is irrelevant..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
> > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> >
> > Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently?
I
> > hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on
a
> > database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back.
I've
> > changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
> > each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything
XP-like
> at
> > all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Feb 20 08:44:19 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:44:19 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A6CE@ALCUXB>
The workstation is locked - you still have to know the password to get into
it.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: 20 February 2004 14:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
...if you're connected to the net, it doesn't matter how close you are ...no
firewall/AV works against everything, especially things new in the wild in
the hours/days before an update is posted ...with an admin log-in active on
your server, its one less wall a hacker has to breech ...one of the hardest
ones. :(
William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with
me." Disraeli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda"
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> yes, but all the servers are sitting 3 feet away from me - no-one's going
> near them...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: 20 February 2004 14:29
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> ...you leave an admin logged in to a server? ...yikes!!!!!! :(((((((((
>
> William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees
with
> me." Disraeli
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Tydda"
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
>
>
> > I've got to leave it logged in for some of the other software on it to
> > work... plus we tend to leave all of the servers logged in and locked
> here,
> > just the "way things are done".
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
> > Sent: 20 February 2004 13:42
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to bite ;=
> >
> > 1) Database Server on XP???
> > 2) If it's a database server, no-one would generally be logging on so
the
> UI
> > performance is irrelevant..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 10:18 PM
> > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Classic look
> >
> > Does anyone know how I remove the appearance of Windows XP permanently?
I
> > hate the Tellytubby/My First Operating system look of it, and as it's on
a
> > database server, I thought I might like to get some performance back.
I've
> > changed it to "best performance" in System tools, but it's different for
> > each user who logs on. Is there any way to stop it doing anything
XP-like
> at
> > all? Even the soft, round bubbly log on screen irritates me...
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
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> to
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From shamil-users at mns.ru Sat Feb 21 02:36:56 2004
From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:36:56 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
Message-ID: <003a01c3f855$e188bf90$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Hi All,
Since quoted here my posting several volunteers beta-testers helped me
to find and eliminate some problems with subject sample. Here are the
current results:
Windiows 2000 (SP4)
================
A97 - OK
A2K - OK
AXP - OK
A2003 - OK
Windows XP (SP1)
=============
A97 - fail
A2K - OK
AXP - OK (developer, full, runtime)
A2003 - OK (professional)
Windows95
========
No info
Win98
=====
A97 - No info
A2K - fail
AXP - No info
A2003 - No info
Windows ME
==========
No info
Windows Server 2003 family
====================
No info
If somebody wanted to help me with beta testing for positions marked
above as "No info" please e-mail me privately.
Thanks for all your help and attention!
Shamil
P.S. All who particiapte in beta-testing - if you don't mind I will
mention you here in my future postings related to the subject and of
course later on my site when I will publish the final results in the
case the will be positive (they should be with such great your
support!) - I'm not sure I may mention you without your permission.
Please send me a short note that I can do that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> >...love to see the results if he takes it any further :)
> You're welcome, William and all! :)
>
> I made it.
>
> Here are the pics of the two test cases:
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
> http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
>
> This is an MS Access form without any activeX etc. - the pics are
drawn
> on the detail section surface. I use my custom C++ DLL but not for
> visual part of this MS Access application...
> Resize is still a problem. Repaint seems always work OK after minimize
> or making hidden/visible the form or its parts etc. I don't think I
> will work on fixing resize now - it was quite some free labor work and
> it is enough for now...
>
> I tested it on MS Win2K and MS Access 97/2000/XP. Hopefully it will
work
> on other MS Windows/Access versions too. Of course there is some
tricky
> hacking here but it shows itself as stable and no GPF after heavy load
> with all that incredibly wonderful hypocycloid graphics...
>
> Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
>
> - MS Win95
> - MS Win98
> - MS WinNT
> - MS WinXP
> - MS Windows .NET Server and
> - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
>
> I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
> clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site.
> I plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA
programming
> stuff I'm cooking here...
> I need to work intensively on a new project now - so there is no
enough
> time here to
> continue with quick preparing of this info for publication.
>
> Mark, thanks for your proposal to play with Hypocycloids - they are
> fascinating!
>
> Shamil
>
> P.S. I will need only one volunteer tester for each MS Windows/MS
Access
> version combination. I will publish on my site the info on testing
> results and the tester(if they want) as soon as I get positive
feedback.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > ...I've never tried anything anywhere near that complex ...round and
> polygon
> > windows are more than enough to impress the hell out of my clients
:)
> >
> > ...but it looks like Shamil even has the source for that source
> ...love to
> > see the results if he takes it any further :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
> > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > >> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
> > >
> > > William,
> > >
> > > I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration?
I
> > > downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form
> would be
> > > very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
> > > capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
> circles/shapes
> > > around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
> > >
> > > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets
me
> > produce
> > > circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually
> drawing on
> > the
> > > form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only
used
> it
> > for
> > > splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
> looking
> > > to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear
I
> was
> > > using something other than pure Access :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government
> is
> > force.
> > > It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is
a
> > > > rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
> > > >
> > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > > 2. skins
> > > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> > > > figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4.
just
> fun
> > > > of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > > usingWin32API
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Any betters here? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Njah, not me ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If
it
> were
> > > > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an
> ocx
> > > > > to handle that?
> > > > >
> > > > > /gustav
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> /gustav
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > > > >> > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Feb 28 08:13:04 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:13:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API
References: <003a01c3f855$e188bf90$0201a8c0@PARIS>
Message-ID: <002301c3fe04$fba73730$6801a8c0@HAL9002>
Shamil:
I'll cover the A97 Win98 combination.
Rocky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
To: "dba - Tech"
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
usingWin32API
> Hi All,
>
> Since quoted here my posting several volunteers beta-testers helped me
> to find and eliminate some problems with subject sample. Here are the
> current results:
>
> Windiows 2000 (SP4)
> ================
> A97 - OK
> A2K - OK
> AXP - OK
> A2003 - OK
>
> Windows XP (SP1)
> =============
> A97 - fail
> A2K - OK
> AXP - OK (developer, full, runtime)
> A2003 - OK (professional)
>
> Windows95
> ========
> No info
>
> Win98
> =====
> A97 - No info
> A2K - fail
> AXP - No info
> A2003 - No info
>
> Windows ME
> ==========
> No info
>
> Windows Server 2003 family
> ====================
> No info
>
> If somebody wanted to help me with beta testing for positions marked
> above as "No info" please e-mail me privately.
>
> Thanks for all your help and attention!
>
> Shamil
>
> P.S. All who particiapte in beta-testing - if you don't mind I will
> mention you here in my future postings related to the subject and of
> course later on my site when I will publish the final results in the
> case the will be positive (they should be with such great your
> support!) - I'm not sure I may mention you without your permission.
> Please send me a short note that I can do that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> usingWin32API
>
>
> > >...love to see the results if he takes it any further :)
> > You're welcome, William and all! :)
> >
> > I made it.
> >
> > Here are the pics of the two test cases:
> > http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav34.jpg
> > http://www.extvba.spb.ru/hypocycloid/fav56.jpg
> >
> > This is an MS Access form without any activeX etc. - the pics are
> drawn
> > on the detail section surface. I use my custom C++ DLL but not for
> > visual part of this MS Access application...
> > Resize is still a problem. Repaint seems always work OK after minimize
> > or making hidden/visible the form or its parts etc. I don't think I
> > will work on fixing resize now - it was quite some free labor work and
> > it is enough for now...
> >
> > I tested it on MS Win2K and MS Access 97/2000/XP. Hopefully it will
> work
> > on other MS Windows/Access versions too. Of course there is some
> tricky
> > hacking here but it shows itself as stable and no GPF after heavy load
> > with all that incredibly wonderful hypocycloid graphics...
> >
> > Now I need volunteer testers who wanted to test this sample on:
> >
> > - MS Win95
> > - MS Win98
> > - MS WinNT
> > - MS WinXP
> > - MS Windows .NET Server and
> > - all the versions of MS Access starting MS Access 97.
> >
> > I will send you an MDE version for testing purposes.
> > I have to ask you to not redistribute this stuff until it will not be
> > clear it works OK and until I will not publish this info on my site.
> > I plan to do that in approx. 1 - 1.5 months - I plan to publish the
> > sources and quite some other tricky and unique Win32 API VBA
> programming
> > stuff I'm cooking here...
> > I need to work intensively on a new project now - so there is no
> enough
> > time here to
> > continue with quick preparing of this info for publication.
> >
> > Mark, thanks for your proposal to play with Hypocycloids - they are
> > fascinating!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > P.S. I will need only one volunteer tester for each MS Windows/MS
> Access
> > version combination. I will publish on my site the info on testing
> > results and the tester(if they want) as soon as I get positive
> feedback.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman"
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > usingWin32API
> >
> >
> > > ...I've never tried anything anywhere near that complex ...round and
> > polygon
> > > windows are more than enough to impress the hell out of my clients
> :)
> > >
> > > ...but it looks like Shamil even has the source for that source
> > ...love to
> > > see the results if he takes it any further :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)"
> > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:20 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > usingWin32API
> > >
> > >
> > > > >> produce circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms <<
> > > >
> > > > William,
> > > >
> > > > I remember a demo..."ShapedForm.mdb". Was that your inspiration?
> I
> > > > downloaded it long ago because I thought a submarine shaped form
> > would be
> > > > very unique;) I never got around to actually researching the full
> > > > capabilities. Are complex shapes such as that even possible?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:55 AM
> > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > > usingWin32API
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ...lebans also has code for using images to imitate drawing
> > circles/shapes
> > > > around controls ...I've used it to highlight calc results, etc.
> > > >
> > > > ...I've also got an api module that I've used since A97 that lets
> me
> > > produce
> > > > circular, elliptic, or polycentric forms ...which is actually
> > drawing on
> > > the
> > > > form and hiding everything outside of the elliptic ...I've only
> used
> > it
> > > for
> > > > splash forms and switchboards but it sure does wake up an audience
> > looking
> > > > to see what you're capable of ...I've had more than a couple swear
> I
> > was
> > > > using something other than pure Access :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government
> > is
> > > force.
> > > > It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov"
> > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:18 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > > usingWin32API
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > couldn't you find an ocx to handle that?
> > > > > This would be a limited solution by definition - OCX/ActiveX is
> a
> > > > > rogue for MS Access forms and controls...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form
> > > > > 1. "tractor" continuous/datasheet forms
> > > > > 2. skins
> > > > > 3. Dynamic drawing of circles, ellipses, .., and other geometric
> > > > > figures around controls to highlight special values etc... 4.
> just
> > fun
> > > > > of extreme VBA programming 5. ??? (something else anybody) ???
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gustav Brock"
> > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms
> > > > > usingWin32API
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So this is a challenge to prove the opposite?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Certainly!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any betters here? :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Njah, not me ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, I don't know why you would draw something on a form. If
> it
> > were
> > > > > > anything more than some decorating stuff, couldn't you find an
> > ocx
> > > > > > to handle that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /gustav
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> That may not be possible at all. Read here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0053.htm
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> /gustav
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Have anybody any info on subj?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > TIA for any refs, tips and tricks,
> > > > > > >> > Shamil
> > > > > >
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