From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 1 15:17:56 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:17:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 Message-ID: I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that it is not them. The underlying problem seems to be getting rid of one registry entry which refuses to go away. HKEY_CURRENT_USER Software Windows CurrentVersion Run OfotoNow USB Detection C:\WINNT\System32\RunDLL32.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Ofoto\OfotoNow\OFUSBS.DLL,WatchForConnection OfotoNow I can delete that OfotoNow USB Detection entry, but it won't stay gone. Something seems to be telling regedit to put it right back. One possiblity that Ofoto suggested as the most likely culprit was ZoneAlarm, so that was uninstalled and (after appropriate reboots), we tried again to delete it. Still comes right back. I've just been putting up with getting that error message then closing it, but it really is annoying. Any ideas? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com Thu Jan 1 17:56:15 2004 From: mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:56:15 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <003401c3d0c2$e0536360$0207a8c0@TopEnergy> MsConfig.exe might be present on W2k, if it isn't then get one somewhere else. It has a startup tab you can use to switch off bootup programs. Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: 01 January 2004 21:17 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG > > Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that it is not them. > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 1 18:34:24 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:34:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <000e01c3d0c8$2c4c4b60$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> "they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is something in Windows itself" Kathryn ...bs :) ...they've left something in your registry, startup, or ini files ...no matter what they tell you :( ...Mike suggested using msconfig from the run command and that will probably do it ...if not, use Norton Utilities WinDoctor ...and if THAT doesn't do it ...go over to www.langa.com and search his archives on "startup" ...he's had a number of excellent step-by-step articles and tool reviews on just this type of problem. William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG > > Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that it is not them. > > The underlying problem seems to be getting rid of one registry entry which refuses to go away. > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Windows > CurrentVersion > Run > OfotoNow USB Detection C:\WINNT\System32\RunDLL32.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Ofoto\OfotoNow\OFUSBS.DLL,WatchForConnection OfotoNow > > I can delete that OfotoNow USB Detection entry, but it won't stay gone. Something seems to be telling regedit to put it right back. One possiblity that Ofoto suggested as the most likely culprit was ZoneAlarm, so that was uninstalled and (after appropriate reboots), we tried again to delete it. Still comes right back. > > I've just been putting up with getting that error message then closing it, but it really is annoying. Any ideas? > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 1 18:53:14 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:53:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <003401c3d0c2$e0536360$0207a8c0@TopEnergy> Message-ID: I've tried that - no go. when starting msconfig, I get these: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/msconfigerror1.jpg http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/msconfigerror2.jpg http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/msconfigerror3.jpg http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/msconfigerror4.jpg after which it finally opens. I take the checkmark out of the pertinant Ofoto thing, but it won't "take". I've tried "apply" and OK both. Sometimes when I try, it won't close and I have to end task. Sometimes things *look* like they've worked alright but after I reboot, the blasted checkmark is back. It just will not allow me to *not* run that RunDLL. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mike Tope > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 3:56:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > MsConfig.exe might be present on W2k, if it isn't then get one somewhere > else. > It has a startup tab you can use to switch off bootup programs. > Mike Tope > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Bassett" > To: "DBA-Tech" > Sent: 01 January 2004 21:17 > Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been > cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which > seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an > error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG > > > > Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why > does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations > with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have > finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't > help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that > it is not them. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 1 19:33:11 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:33:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <000e01c3d0c8$2c4c4b60$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: I don't have anything Norton but I went to Langa and as a result downloaded Startup Delayer (http://r2.com.au/software.php?page=2&show=startdelay). Using that, again I can "delete" but it doesn't stick, and I can "delay" but that doesn't stick either. It's almost like there is something in the RunDLL itself that refuses to let anything get changed. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 4:34:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > "they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is > something in Windows itself" Kathryn > > ...bs :) > > ...they've left something in your registry, startup, or ini files ...no > matter what they tell you :( > > ...Mike suggested using msconfig from the run command and that will probably > do it ...if not, use Norton Utilities WinDoctor ...and if THAT doesn't do it > ...go over to www.langa.com and search his archives on "startup" ...he's had > a number of excellent step-by-step articles and tool reviews on just this > type of problem. > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Bassett" > To: "DBA-Tech" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been > cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which > seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an > error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG > > > > Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why > does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations > with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have > finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't > help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that > it is not them. > > > > The underlying problem seems to be getting rid of one registry entry which > refuses to go away. > > > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > > Software > > Windows > > CurrentVersion > > Run > > OfotoNow USB Detection C:\WINNT\System32\RunDLL32.exe > C:\PROGRA~1\Ofoto\OfotoNow\OFUSBS.DLL,WatchForConnection OfotoNow > > > > I can delete that OfotoNow USB Detection entry, but it won't stay gone. > Something seems to be telling regedit to put it right back. One possiblity > that Ofoto suggested as the most likely culprit was ZoneAlarm, so that was > uninstalled and (after appropriate reboots), we tried again to delete it. > Still comes right back. > > > > I've just been putting up with getting that error message then closing it, > but it really is annoying. Any ideas? > > > > -- > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > > kathryn at bassett.net > > http://bassett.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 1 20:23:25 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:23:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <000b01c3d0d7$66fcdea0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> http://www.safer-networking.org ...dl spybot and install William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > I don't have anything Norton but I went to Langa and as a result downloaded Startup Delayer (http://r2.com.au/software.php?page=2&show=startdelay). Using that, again I can "delete" but it doesn't stick, and I can "delay" but that doesn't stick either. > > It's almost like there is something in the RunDLL itself that refuses to let anything get changed. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 4:34:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > "they've done everything they could, and have finally determined that it is > > something in Windows itself" Kathryn > > > > ...bs :) > > > > ...they've left something in your registry, startup, or ini files ...no > > matter what they tell you :( > > > > ...Mike suggested using msconfig from the run command and that will probably > > do it ...if not, use Norton Utilities WinDoctor ...and if THAT doesn't do it > > ...go over to www.langa.com and search his archives on "startup" ...he's had > > a number of excellent step-by-step articles and tool reviews on just this > > type of problem. > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathryn Bassett" > > To: "DBA-Tech" > > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:17 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > I've been having an annoying problem for a number of months. I had been > > cleaning up by uninstalling programs that I don't use. One is Ofoto, which > > seemingly successfully uninstalled. However, every time I boot up, I get an > > error message http://www.ourmailinglist.org/ofotoscreens/theError.JPG > > > > > > Well, duh, of course it can't be found as I deleted the program. But why > > does it RunDLL keep looking for it? I've had several phone conversations > > with Maurice at Ofoto, and they've done everything they could, and have > > finally determined that it is something in Windows itself, and they can't > > help me further. I must say that we tried a lot of things, and I agree that > > it is not them. > > > > > > The underlying problem seems to be getting rid of one registry entry which > > refuses to go away. > > > > > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > > > Software > > > Windows > > > CurrentVersion > > > Run > > > OfotoNow USB Detection C:\WINNT\System32\RunDLL32.exe > > C:\PROGRA~1\Ofoto\OfotoNow\OFUSBS.DLL,WatchForConnection OfotoNow > > > > > > I can delete that OfotoNow USB Detection entry, but it won't stay gone. > > Something seems to be telling regedit to put it right back. One possiblity > > that Ofoto suggested as the most likely culprit was ZoneAlarm, so that was > > uninstalled and (after appropriate reboots), we tried again to delete it. > > Still comes right back. > > > > > > I've just been putting up with getting that error message then closing it, > > but it really is annoying. Any ideas? > > > > > > -- > > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > > > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > > > kathryn at bassett.net > > > http://bassett.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 1 22:40:12 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:40:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <000b01c3d0d7$66fcdea0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > ...dl spybot and install > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 1 23:15:21 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 00:15:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <001601c3d0ef$6b53c8c0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...AdAware has gone seriously downhill ...SpyBot S&D is much better ...but nothing is perfect so I still run both along with Pest Patrol :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 1 23:50:45 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:50:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Jan 2 06:35:29 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 07:35:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3071D243@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB121@ADGSERVER> Since you cannot use msconfig. Maybe try Startup Control Panel. http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml Bobby From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 2 07:03:19 2004 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:03:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It sounds suspiciously like some OTHER piece of ofoto (copy protection?) is still out there running. When it runs, it puts this problem back in. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Jan 2 07:10:03 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:10:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3071D2C7@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB123@ADGSERVER> If you can run Win2K in safe mode, maybe then you can run msconfig or startup control panel to see what else is being loaded that may be setting the registry key. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 It sounds suspiciously like some OTHER piece of ofoto (copy protection?) is still out there running. When it runs, it puts this problem back in. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a > part called > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during > my testing with > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 2 07:17:57 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:17:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <001e01c3d132$d6cf84c0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...hhhmmm ...SpyBot will show you EVERY process being run ...somewhere among them you will find the villain in your drama :( William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:50 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. > Kathryn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > > Bassett > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called > > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with > > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > > > -- > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > > kathryn at bassett.net > > http://bassett.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > > Hindman > > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > > > William Hindman > > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 2 16:29:11 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:29:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB121@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Bobby suggested > Since you cannot use msconfig. Maybe try Startup Control Panel. > http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml Nifty little thing, but still no-go. Will make it handy to show what all is running. Maybe someone will spot the villian (as William called it). http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel1user.jpg is pretty straightforward - things I've used forever. http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel2common.jpg also pretty straightforward, though I had to go find out what pcfmgr was - and to quote: For laptops : Power Schemes Manager System Tray icon (also called PowerPannel). This icon enables you to create various Power Schemes (e.g. "Running off the battery", "Connected to Mains", etc.), switch power schemes, view the Battery charge level, and set Low/Full Battery alarms. Seen on laptops which have a Phoenix BIOS (e.g. Sony Vaio laptops). So that's not a problem. http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel3hklm.jpg haven't yet researched all these http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel4hkcu.jpg here's the one that I'm trying to get rid of - further note below * http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel5runonce.jpg nothing here, just put it up to be consistant http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel6deleted.jpg shows that it deletes temporarily * When I first tried to delete using this, I deleted, then closed and did my reboot. When it was still I took a look again and found it in this state. Further experimenting, I then deleted both of these (no longer showing), then clicked on the deleted tab, saw that it did *not* add a second/third deleted entry, clicked back over to the hkcu tab, and stupid sucker is right back. JC said: It sounds suspiciously like some OTHER piece of ofoto (copy protection?) is still out there running. When it runs, it puts this problem back in. No, during the time spent with Ofoto, there was over 6 hours worth of talking to them - actual talking, not hold time. They not only escalated me to 2nd level but I actually had one of the *programmers* call me. Maurice who was coordinating this, was actually flabbergasted. He said he's never heard of a programmer actually condescending to talk to a user. I've never heard of it happening either. They are extremely interested in finding out what is causing this, and want me to let them know if I ever find an answer. They had me looking all kinds of places to find remnants and this is the *only* place that ofoto shows up in the registry. It's getting to the point I want to find out more on what makes a DLL. I know it stands for Dynamic Link Library or something like that. I've gotten the impression that it's like a miniature program with info in it. How do we find out what is in the RunDLL library? Or can one of you find something else in the hklm/hklu that needs checking? I'm determined to find out what is causing this! -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 2 16:52:05 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:52:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <004e01c3d183$0b4ea410$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...have you used the registry editor to delete those keys? William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Bobby suggested > > Since you cannot use msconfig. Maybe try Startup Control Panel. > > http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml > > Nifty little thing, but still no-go. Will make it handy to show what all is running. Maybe someone will spot the villian (as William called it). > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel1user.jpg > is pretty straightforward - things I've used forever. > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel2common.jpg > also pretty straightforward, though I had to go find out what pcfmgr was - and to quote: > For laptops : Power Schemes Manager System Tray icon (also called PowerPannel). This icon enables you to create various Power Schemes (e.g. "Running off the battery", "Connected to Mains", etc.), switch power schemes, view the Battery charge level, and set Low/Full Battery alarms. Seen on laptops which have a Phoenix BIOS (e.g. Sony Vaio laptops). > So that's not a problem. > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel3hklm.jpg > haven't yet researched all these > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel4hkcu.jpg > here's the one that I'm trying to get rid of - further note below * > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel5runonce.jpg > nothing here, just put it up to be consistant > > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/rundllproblems/startupcontrolpanel6deleted.jpg > shows that it deletes temporarily > > * When I first tried to delete using this, I deleted, then closed and did my reboot. When it was still I took a look again and found it in this state. Further experimenting, I then deleted both of these (no longer showing), then clicked on the deleted tab, saw that it did *not* add a second/third deleted entry, clicked back over to the hkcu tab, and stupid sucker is right back. > > JC said: > It sounds suspiciously like some OTHER piece of ofoto (copy protection?) is > still out there running. When it runs, it puts this problem back in. > > No, during the time spent with Ofoto, there was over 6 hours worth of talking to them - actual talking, not hold time. They not only escalated me to 2nd level but I actually had one of the *programmers* call me. Maurice who was coordinating this, was actually flabbergasted. He said he's never heard of a programmer actually condescending to talk to a user. I've never heard of it happening either. They are extremely interested in finding out what is causing this, and want me to let them know if I ever find an answer. They had me looking all kinds of places to find remnants and this is the *only* place that ofoto shows up in the registry. > > It's getting to the point I want to find out more on what makes a DLL. I know it stands for Dynamic Link Library or something like that. I've gotten the impression that it's like a miniature program with info in it. How do we find out what is in the RunDLL library? > > Or can one of you find something else in the hklm/hklu that needs checking? > > I'm determined to find out what is causing this! > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 2 18:10:51 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:10:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <004e01c3d183$0b4ea410$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Yep, one of the first things tried. Same problem, it won't let me. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 2:52:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > ...have you used the registry editor to delete those keys? > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 2 19:38:17 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:38:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <000601c3d19a$435b46d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...have you tried in while in SAFE mode? William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Yep, one of the first things tried. Same problem, it won't let me. > Kathryn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 2:52:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > ...have you used the registry editor to delete those keys? > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 2 20:07:02 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:07:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <000601c3d19a$435b46d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Yep, one of the things Ofoto had me do. Kati > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 5:38:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > ...have you tried in while in SAFE mode? > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Bassett" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:10 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > Yep, one of the first things tried. Same problem, it won't let me. > > Kathryn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > > Hindman > > > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 2:52:PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > > > ...have you used the registry editor to delete those keys? > > > > > > William Hindman > > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 2 20:58:07 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:58:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <000601c3d1a5$6a018780$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...so if you did registry edit from safe mode, does it disappear from the registry until you reboot? William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Yep, one of the things Ofoto had me do. > Kati > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 5:38:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > ...have you tried in while in SAFE mode? > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathryn Bassett" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:10 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > Yep, one of the first things tried. Same problem, it won't let me. > > > Kathryn > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > > > Hindman > > > > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 2:52:PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > > > > > > ...have you used the registry editor to delete those keys? > > > > > > > > William Hindman > > > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 2 23:18:15 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:18:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 In-Reply-To: <000601c3d1a5$6a018780$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Nope - acts same way as regular mode. I can delete it but if I do as simple a thing as go to a different key folder (like run-) then go back to the run folder, it's back. Or even staying put in that folder if I "refresh" it comes back as well. Kati > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 6:58:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > ...so if you did registry edit from safe mode, does it disappear from the > registry until you reboot? > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 3 00:42:22 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 01:42:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: Message-ID: <000401c3d1c4$be378290$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...then you must have a service running that is monitoring it ...stop each service except explorer one at a time then delete the key and refresh ...if it comes back, stop the next service ...one of them has to be live :(((((( William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Nope - acts same way as regular mode. I can delete it but if I do as simple a thing as go to a different key folder (like run-) then go back to the run folder, it's back. Or even staying put in that folder if I "refresh" it comes back as well. > > Kati > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 02 Jan 2004 6:58:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > ...so if you did registry edit from safe mode, does it disappear from the > > registry until you reboot? > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sat Jan 3 13:01:56 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:01:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: <000401c3d1c4$be378290$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <3FF711A4.4050901@shaw.ca> Here is a list of common task manager programs alphabetically what they do and whether it is safe to delete or stop http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm William Hindman wrote: >...then you must have a service running that is monitoring it ...stop each >service except explorer one at a time then delete the key and refresh ...if >it comes back, stop the next service ...one of them has to be live :(((((( > >William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kathryn Bassett" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:18 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > >>Nope - acts same way as regular mode. I can delete it but if I do as >> >> >simple a thing as go to a different key folder (like run-) then go back to >the run folder, it's back. Or even staying put in that folder if I "refresh" >it comes back as well. > > >>Kati >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William >>>Hindman >>>Sent: 02 Jan 2004 6:58:PM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 >>> >>> >>>...so if you did registry edit from safe mode, does it disappear from >>> >>> >the > > >>>registry until you reboot? >>> >>>William Hindman >>> - Next Year In The Free State! >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sat Jan 3 13:22:29 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:22:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: <000401c3d1c4$be378290$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <3FF71675.3070705@shaw.ca> At the same site look at http://www.answersthatwork.com/Downright_pages/downrights_pcconfiguration.htm Starter 5.6.1.23 489K (25-March-2003) Manage all your startup tasks with Starter. We have for a long time championed Startup Manager below, but it has not been updated since 1998, so now comes Starter, its replacement. Starter is an absolute must for anyone who wants to manage background tasks on Windows 95/98/NT4/ME/2000/XP. Starter has picked up where Startup Manager above left off. 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William Hindman wrote: >...then you must have a service running that is monitoring it ...stop each >service except explorer one at a time then delete the key and refresh ...if >it comes back, stop the next service ...one of them has to be live :(((((( > >William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kathryn Bassett" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:18 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > >>Nope - acts same way as regular mode. I can delete it but if I do as >> >> >simple a thing as go to a different key folder (like run-) then go back to >the run folder, it's back. Or even staying put in that folder if I "refresh" >it comes back as well. > > >>Kati >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William >>>Hindman >>>Sent: 02 Jan 2004 6:58:PM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 >>> >>> >>>...so if you did registry edit from safe mode, does it disappear from >>> >>> >the > > >>>registry until you reboot? >>> >>>William Hindman >>> - Next Year In The Free State! >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 3 15:02:02 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:02:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it In-Reply-To: <3FF711A4.4050901@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Update - it looks like I can't change *anything* in my registry. I'm again using the Startup Control Panel that Bobby suggested. I'm taking out the checkmarks on some of the other things so I can load minimally. Same problem as Ofoto - it won't let me. I take the checkmark out, and go to the next item, and the first item changes back to a checkmarked item. So, is there such a thing as the registry being locked? If so, how do I unlock it? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jan 3 16:53:34 2004 From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:53:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LOL, yep, there is such a thing, at least in Windows 2K / XP etc. It's called user privileges and only administrators can do certain things. Are you using Win2K / XP, and if so are you an administrator? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it Update - it looks like I can't change *anything* in my registry. I'm again using the Startup Control Panel that Bobby suggested. I'm taking out the checkmarks on some of the other things so I can load minimally. Same problem as Ofoto - it won't let me. I take the checkmark out, and go to the next item, and the first item changes back to a checkmarked item. So, is there such a thing as the registry being locked? If so, how do I unlock it? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 3 17:16:13 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:16:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Win2000Pro - and I'm *it* - everything, administrator, whatever. I'm set up so that I don't even have to "log on", (been so long I can't even remember how that is done. No passwords needed. Whenever things need changing, I know that it's always in the C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator folder that I go. So, great guru JC, what do I do next? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby > Sent: 03 Jan 2004 2:54:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it > > > LOL, yep, there is such a thing, at least in Windows 2K / XP etc. It's > called user privileges and only administrators can do certain things. Are > you using Win2K / XP, and if so are you an administrator? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:02 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it > > > Update - it looks like I can't change *anything* in my registry. I'm again > using the Startup Control Panel that Bobby suggested. I'm taking out the > checkmarks on some of the other things so I can load minimally. Same problem > as Ofoto - it won't let me. I take the checkmark out, and go to the next > item, and the first item changes back to a checkmarked item. So, is there > such a thing as the registry being locked? If so, how do I unlock it? > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 3 17:24:58 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:24:58 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 - hmm, more to it In-Reply-To: References: <3FF711A4.4050901@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <3FF7DBEA.4739.9F89C@localhost> On 3 Jan 2004 at 13:02, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Update - it looks like I can't change *anything* in my registry. I'm again using the Startup Control Panel that Bobby suggested. I'm taking out the checkmarks on some of the other things so I can load minimally. Same problem as Ofoto - it won't let me. I take the checkmark out, and go to the next item, and the first item changes back to a checkmarked item. So, is there such a thing as the registry being locked? If so, how do I unlock it? > Just back from a weeks break, so I'm coming in a bit late but... >From everything you've said so far, it's starting to look like a corrupted registry. It may come to a case of reformat and do a clean re-install of everything. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jan 5 04:20:54 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:20:54 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A131@ALCUXB> There's a nice little program called JV16 Power Tools from www.toniarts.com that lets you see EVERYTHING that's called in the startup of your pc, both by the registry and the startup menu... it lets you inunstall things and cleans the registry for you too. I swear by it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] Sent: 02 January 2004 05:51 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From JRojas at tnco-inc.com Mon Jan 5 07:28:37 2004 From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:28:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E239671@mercury.tnco-inc.com> Just went to check out this program but I don't see one called JV16 Power Tools. JR -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 There's a nice little program called JV16 Power Tools from www.toniarts.com that lets you see EVERYTHING that's called in the startup of your pc, both by the registry and the startup menu... it lets you inunstall things and cleans the registry for you too. I swear by it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] Sent: 02 January 2004 05:51 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > Bassett > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part called > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it *says* it hadn't > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my testing with > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 5 07:53:47 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E239671@mercury.tnco-inc.com> Message-ID: <003401c3d393$57937280$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> http://www.macecraft.com/ William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Rojas" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > Just went to check out this program but I don't see one called JV16 Power > Tools. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:21 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > There's a nice little program called JV16 Power Tools from www.toniarts.com > that lets you see EVERYTHING that's called in the startup of your pc, both > by the registry and the startup menu... it lets you inunstall things and > cleans the registry for you too. I swear by it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] > Sent: 02 January 2004 05:51 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > No cigar. Ran both AdAware and SpyBot, then tried again to delete the $%^& > Ofoto thing and it still won't go away. > Kathryn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn > > Bassett > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 8:40:PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > Hmm, I have AdAware, and *usually* run it once a month (there is a part > called > > AdWatch that rund in background all the time). But I noticed that it > *says* it hadn't > > been run since October, which is strange as I swear it was run during my > testing with > > Ofoto. I'm running it again right now and will advise. > > > > -- > > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > > kathryn at bassett.net > > http://bassett.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > > Hindman > > > Sent: 01 Jan 2004 6:23:PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RunDLL32 > > > > > > > > > http://www.safer-networking.org > > > > > > ...dl spybot and install > > > > > > William Hindman > > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender as soon as possible and destroy this message. While TNCO, Inc. > uses virus protection, the recipient should check this email and any > attachments for the presence of viruses. TNCO, Inc. accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jan 5 14:27:23 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:27:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Browser Configuration Message-ID: Group, Does anyone know of a way to print out the current settings of Internet Explorer? I'm looking for an easy way to compare two workstations' browser configurations (such as those found on the "Advanced" tab under Tools/Internet Options). Google has developed a very nice "Deskbar" that works as expected on one workstation, but not on another, and I'd like to know why. Thanks for any suggestions, Mark From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Jan 5 20:28:34 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:28:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: <003401c3d393$57937280$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: OK gang, now that I've narrowed this down to it being a problem of the Registry being locked up, how do I unlock it? You all have given several nifty tools, but none will work until I get the Registry unlocked. Win2000 I'm the admin, no users, no passwords have ever been applied I remember seeing on "some" list just within the last few days, a url for a website where you pay $30 or $40 for help and they give you your money back if they don't solve the problem. But I can't remember what list to do any archive searching. Could have been any of half dozen I'm subbed to. So, if you have no clue on unlocking the Registry, maybe you have that URL? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 5 22:05:47 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:05:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) References: Message-ID: <000501c3d40a$5d7647a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...not a problem of the registry being locked Kati, so much as it not recognizing you as an authorized Admin ...have you tried adding a new user with Admin privileges? ...if you are an Admin already, you should be able to do that ...if you can't, then we need to take a different approach ...HTH :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) > OK gang, now that I've narrowed this down to it being a problem of the Registry being locked up, how do I unlock it? You all have given several nifty tools, but none will work until I get the Registry unlocked. > > Win2000 > I'm the admin, no users, no passwords have ever been applied > > I remember seeing on "some" list just within the last few days, a url for a website where you pay $30 or $40 for help and they give you your money back if they don't solve the problem. But I can't remember what list to do any archive searching. Could have been any of half dozen I'm subbed to. So, if you have no clue on unlocking the Registry, maybe you have that URL? > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jan 5 22:22:57 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:22:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) References: Message-ID: <3FFA3821.5040405@shaw.ca> Maybe this is your problem. It might be another worm and not Swen.. double clicking on undo.reg from Mcaffee for this worm will start regedit or maybe even a dummy text file created in notepad with a .reg extension will start your regedit. W32/Swen at MM modifies various registry keys and disables the execution of REGEDIT.EXE on the victim's machine. Additionally, the worm terminates various processes on the victim's machine. You may have removed the worm but not all the side affects. http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=helpCenter&hcName=swen&cid=9060 the undo.reg file from mcafee may help if this virus was there. Ensure that your virus definition DAT files are current. Detection is included in the Daily DAT files (beta). W32/Swen at MM disables the execution of REGEDIT.EXE. The UNDO.REG tool will reverse the changes made by the virus and allow the user to execute REGEDIT.EXE as normal. double clicking on undo.reg will start regedit. or maybe even a dummy file created in notepad with a .reg extension. There are also a number of driveby or hijack trojans from activex downloads that turnoff regedit and/or msconfig in addition to grabbing and modifying IE. Some of these are not tracked by Virus manufacturers. The site below lists a lot of them and clearance methods. generally they are contained in the 'Downloaded Program Files' folder in the Windows folder. See if anything odd there and delete and note the name completely or move file to another directory to quarantine. I just helped someone clear up the ILookup downloaded ActiveX version. see http://doxdesk.com/parasite/ Kathryn Bassett wrote: >OK gang, now that I've narrowed this down to it being a problem of the Registry being locked up, how do I unlock it? You all have given several nifty tools, but none will work until I get the Registry unlocked. > >Win2000 >I'm the admin, no users, no passwords have ever been applied > >I remember seeing on "some" list just within the last few days, a url for a website where you pay $30 or $40 for help and they give you your money back if they don't solve the problem. But I can't remember what list to do any archive searching. Could have been any of half dozen I'm subbed to. So, if you have no clue on unlocking the Registry, maybe you have that URL? > >-- >Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) >"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" >kathryn at bassett.net >http://bassett.net > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jan 5 22:26:32 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:26:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Browser Configuration References: Message-ID: <3FFA38F8.8080908@shaw.ca> Well here is a start Sub test() Dim objIE As Object 'you might get some info here via application Set objIE = CreateObject("internetexplorer.application") With objIE .navigate "about:blank" With .Document.parentWindow.Screen MsgBox .Width & " by " & .Height End With End With 'or Use WMI may need to set reference to Microsoft WMI scripting library in Win9x 'see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/ScriptCenter/compmgmt/scrcm124.asp Dim strComputer As String Dim objWMiservice As Object Dim colIESettings As Object Dim strIESetting As Object strComputer = "." 'set to local default or computer name Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_Security") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Zone name: " & strIESetting.Zone & "Security level: " & strIESetting.Level Next Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_Summary") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Active printer: " & strIESetting.ActivePrinter Debug.Print "Build: " & strIESetting.Build Debug.Print "Cipher strength: " & strIESetting.CipherStrength Debug.Print "Content advisor: " & strIESetting.ContentAdvisor Debug.Print "IE Administration Kit installed: " & strIESetting.IEAKInstall Debug.Print "Language: " & strIESetting.Language Debug.Print "Name: " & strIESetting.Name Debug.Print "Path: " & strIESetting.Path Debug.Print "Product ID: " & strIESetting.ProductID Debug.Print "Version: " & strIESetting.Version Next Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_LANSettings") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration proxy: " & strIESetting.AutoConfigProxy Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration URL: " & strIESetting.AutoConfigURL Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration Proxy detection mode: " & strIESetting.AutoProxyDetectMode Debug.Print "Proxy: " & strIESetting.Proxy Debug.Print "Proxy override: " & strIESetting.ProxyOverride Debug.Print "Proxy server: " & strIESetting.ProxyServer Next End Sub Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: >Group, > >Does anyone know of a way to print out the current settings of Internet >Explorer? I'm looking for an easy way to compare two workstations' browser >configurations (such as those found on the "Advanced" tab under >Tools/Internet Options). Google has developed a very nice "Deskbar" that >works as expected on one workstation, but not on another, and I'd like to >know why. > > >Thanks for any suggestions, > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Jan 5 22:54:26 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:54:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just an off the wall suggestion, instead of using regedit, use regedt32. Find the setting you want to change, and check the security settings on it. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) OK gang, now that I've narrowed this down to it being a problem of the Registry being locked up, how do I unlock it? You all have given several nifty tools, but none will work until I get the Registry unlocked. Win2000 I'm the admin, no users, no passwords have ever been applied I remember seeing on "some" list just within the last few days, a url for a website where you pay $30 or $40 for help and they give you your money back if they don't solve the problem. But I can't remember what list to do any archive searching. Could have been any of half dozen I'm subbed to. So, if you have no clue on unlocking the Registry, maybe you have that URL? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Jan 5 23:26:15 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:26:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Drew suggested: > Just an off the wall suggestion, instead of using regedit, use regedt32. > Find the setting you want to change, and check the security settings on it. good thought, but... "cannot find the file 'regedit32' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are available" I've also checked out that McAfee UNDO.REG that Marty suggested with no luck. My McAfee is current, and to be sure of everything I'm running a new scan right now. William said: > ...not a problem of the registry being locked Kati, so much as it not > recognizing you as an authorized Admin ...have you tried adding a new user > with Admin privileges? ...if you are an Admin already, you should be able to > do that ...if you can't, then we need to take a different approach I was able to add a user and set Admin privileges. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Jan 5 23:34:42 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:34:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not regedit32, regedt32 (my posting wasn't a misspelling). Just put that in the Start --> Run dialog. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) Drew suggested: > Just an off the wall suggestion, instead of using regedit, use regedt32. > Find the setting you want to change, and check the security settings on it. good thought, but... "cannot find the file 'regedit32' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are available" I've also checked out that McAfee UNDO.REG that Marty suggested with no luck. My McAfee is current, and to be sure of everything I'm running a new scan right now. William said: > ...not a problem of the registry being locked Kati, so much as it not > recognizing you as an authorized Admin ...have you tried adding a new user > with Admin privileges? ...if you are an Admin already, you should be able to > do that ...if you can't, then we need to take a different approach I was able to add a user and set Admin privileges. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Jan 6 00:04:58 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:04:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yup, you had it right, my eyes just "assumed" it wrong. But regedt32 doesn't find Ofoto anyplace, and when I drill down from HKEY_CURRENT_USER to Software, there is no Windows folder to drill down further. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 05 Jan 2004 9:35:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) > > > Not regedit32, regedt32 (my posting wasn't a misspelling). > > Just put that in the Start --> Run dialog. > > Drew From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Jan 6 00:54:46 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:54:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: McAfee - clean AdAware - clean SpyBot - clean Kathryn From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Jan 6 01:38:23 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:38:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0BF@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Katrhyn I did not folowed the whole thread... Is it only you HKEY_CURRENT_USER, giving you this problem? If so, you could reset security on that. If you have windows XP Regedit and regedt32 are the same program. There was only a difference in previous windows versions. Open regedt32 Rightclick on HKEY_CURRENT_USER (Windows XP) Or Select HKEY_CURRENT_USER and click security in the menubar (previous windows). Select permissions Verify if the administrators group is in there. Check if Allow READ and FULL Control are selected. Verify if your current user is in there Check if Allow READ and FULL Control are selected. Verify if your RESTRICTED user is in there Check if Allow READ are selected. Verify if your SYSTEM user is in there Check if Allow READ and FULL Control are selected. Click ADVANCED Select Reset permissions on all child objects.... If you are not able to make these changes you probably do not have administrator rights on your computer, or they have been removed.... This can also happen when you copy a USER.DAT file from another user. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) Yup, you had it right, my eyes just "assumed" it wrong. But regedt32 doesn't find Ofoto anyplace, and when I drill down from HKEY_CURRENT_USER to Software, there is no Windows folder to drill down further. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 05 Jan 2004 9:35:PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How do I unlock the Registry (was RunDLL32) > > > Not regedit32, regedt32 (my posting wasn't a misspelling). > > Just put that in the Start --> Run dialog. > > Drew _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Jan 6 06:52:40 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:52:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Browser Configuration Message-ID: Marty, Thank you. Through further research on this situation I discovered that what I was experiencing was not a function of the browser settings at all. Although both workstations had the Google Deskbar installed with identical settings, one workstation had the Google Toolbar installed as well. It was a stored preference within the Google Toolbar application that caused the anomaly. Apparently it is a known bug that thankfully has a small work-around. Thanks again, Mark -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Browser Configuration Well here is a start Sub test() Dim objIE As Object 'you might get some info here via application Set objIE = CreateObject("internetexplorer.application") With objIE .navigate "about:blank" With .Document.parentWindow.Screen MsgBox .Width & " by " & .Height End With End With 'or Use WMI may need to set reference to Microsoft WMI scripting library in Win9x 'see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/ScriptCen ter/compmgmt/scrcm124.asp Dim strComputer As String Dim objWMiservice As Object Dim colIESettings As Object Dim strIESetting As Object strComputer = "." 'set to local default or computer name Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_Security") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Zone name: " & strIESetting.Zone & "Security level: " & strIESetting.Level Next Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_Summary") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Active printer: " & strIESetting.ActivePrinter Debug.Print "Build: " & strIESetting.Build Debug.Print "Cipher strength: " & strIESetting.CipherStrength Debug.Print "Content advisor: " & strIESetting.ContentAdvisor Debug.Print "IE Administration Kit installed: " & strIESetting.IEAKInstall Debug.Print "Language: " & strIESetting.Language Debug.Print "Name: " & strIESetting.Name Debug.Print "Path: " & strIESetting.Path Debug.Print "Product ID: " & strIESetting.ProductID Debug.Print "Version: " & strIESetting.Version Next Set objWMiservice = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer _ & "\root\cimv2\Applications\MicrosoftIE") Set colIESettings = objWMiservice.ExecQuery _ ("Select * from MicrosoftIE_LANSettings") For Each strIESetting In colIESettings Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration proxy: " & strIESetting.AutoConfigProxy Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration URL: " & strIESetting.AutoConfigURL Debug.Print "Autoconfiguration Proxy detection mode: " & strIESetting.AutoProxyDetectMode Debug.Print "Proxy: " & strIESetting.Proxy Debug.Print "Proxy override: " & strIESetting.ProxyOverride Debug.Print "Proxy server: " & strIESetting.ProxyServer Next End Sub Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: >Group, > >Does anyone know of a way to print out the current settings of Internet >Explorer? I'm looking for an easy way to compare two workstations' >browser configurations (such as those found on the "Advanced" tab under >Tools/Internet Options). Google has developed a very nice "Deskbar" >that works as expected on one workstation, but not on another, and I'd >like to know why. > > >Thanks for any suggestions, > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Jan 7 04:28:06 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:28:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] It May Take 35 Seconds to Delete Files over the Network Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0CF@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I believe someone was having some troubles with Windows 2003 server beeing slow... I was looking for something else when I saw this article. Maybe this was your prob?! http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811492&Product=w inxp Watch for the URL wrap... Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/jonathan This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Jan 9 08:07:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 06:07:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Do I Have a Virus? Message-ID: <00d301c3d6b9$e6bb6340$6501a8c0@HAL9002> I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown address. Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? Any input appreciated. TIA, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery System" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of its > recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on server.mywebmaster.biz. > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > The subject of the message is: http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue for > some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the message > remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software will give up, > and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. > > From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Jan 9 08:09:57 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 06:09:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? Message-ID: <00e101c3d6ba$4325aeb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002> I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown address. Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? Any input appreciated. TIA, Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mail Delivery System" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM > Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of its > > recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on > server.mywebmaster.biz. > > > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > > The subject of the message is: > http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: > imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 > SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU > WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue for > > some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the message > > remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software will give up, > > and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. > > > > > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Jan 9 10:20:20 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:20:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0E3@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Rocky Can't tell for sure. This is a message from an SMTP server saying that the destination server is not available and it will try again in x hours for x times. This can be the case when a SMTP server at the destinator is down or his internet link or whatever.... It's a normal thing, if this is a temprorary thing (maximum a couple of days). BUT!!! If you or someone in your company never has send a mail to that person this could indicate another problem. 1) One of your computers is hacked/virussed and is beeing misused to send spam. To solve this problem, find the hacked/virussed computer. Or 2) Someone elses (someone outside your company network) computer is hacked/virussed and is using (spoofing) your e-mail address to send spam (that is commong technique today used by mnay virusses). In this case there is nothing you can do but wait until that person will find out his computer is beeing misused.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:10 PM To: dba-tech Cc: Fred & Michael Wahl Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown address. Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? Any input appreciated. TIA, Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mail Delivery System" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM > Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of > > its recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on > server.mywebmaster.biz. > > > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > > The subject of the message is: > http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: > imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 > SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU > WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue > > for some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the > > message remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software > > will give up, and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. > > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Jan 9 11:09:40 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:09:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0E3@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <012401c3d6d3$5e474b40$6501a8c0@HAL9002> I think it's probably 2. I've got router firewall, Zone Alarm, and Norton with email scan on. Would seem to be difficult to infect one of the local machines here. Also, info at floralsoft.com is not in any of the machines. I think it only gets picked up like the other email addresses on the web by the bots. I hope. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > Hi Rocky > > Can't tell for sure. > > This is a message from an SMTP server saying that the destination server is not available and it will try again in x hours for x times. > This can be the case when a SMTP server at the destinator is down or his internet link or whatever.... > It's a normal thing, if this is a temprorary thing (maximum a couple of days). > > BUT!!! > If you or someone in your company never has send a mail to that person this could indicate another problem. > > 1) One of your computers is hacked/virussed and is beeing misused to send spam. > To solve this problem, find the hacked/virussed computer. > Or > 2) Someone elses (someone outside your company network) computer is hacked/virussed and is using (spoofing) your e-mail address to send spam (that is commong technique today used by mnay virusses). In this case there is nothing you can do but wait until that person will find out his computer is beeing misused.... > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:10 PM > To: dba-tech > Cc: Fred & Michael Wahl > Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > > > I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown address. > > Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? > > Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? > > Any input appreciated. > > TIA, > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mail Delivery System" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM > > Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > > > > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of > > > its recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on > > server.mywebmaster.biz. > > > > > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > > > The subject of the message is: > > http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: > > imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 > > SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU > > WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > > > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > > > > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > > > > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > > > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > > > > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue > > > for some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the > > > message remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software > > > will give up, and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Jan 9 11:21:05 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:21:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0E6@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well you never now when its a brand new virus.... You could check if your virusdefinitions of your scanner are up-to-date and if so do a full scan of your disk to make sure. If you wanna be sure, you should do a scheduled weekly scan of your full disk(s). There is always a riscy timeframe between the distribution, discovery and the cure for a virus your computer can get infected. It not the first time a virus gets by the scanner (had this more than once with Norton). Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? I think it's probably 2. I've got router firewall, Zone Alarm, and Norton with email scan on. Would seem to be difficult to infect one of the local machines here. Also, info at floralsoft.com is not in any of the machines. I think it only gets picked up like the other email addresses on the web by the bots. I hope. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > Hi Rocky > > Can't tell for sure. > > This is a message from an SMTP server saying that the destination server is not available and it will try again in x hours for x times. > This can be the case when a SMTP server at the destinator is down or his internet link or whatever.... > It's a normal thing, if this is a temprorary thing (maximum a couple of days). > > BUT!!! > If you or someone in your company never has send a mail to that person this could indicate another problem. > > 1) One of your computers is hacked/virussed and is beeing misused to send spam. > To solve this problem, find the hacked/virussed computer. > Or > 2) Someone elses (someone outside your company network) computer is hacked/virussed and is using (spoofing) your e-mail address to send spam (that is commong technique today used by mnay virusses). In this case there is nothing you can do but wait until that person will find out his computer is beeing misused.... > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:10 PM > To: dba-tech > Cc: Fred & Michael Wahl > Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > > > I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown address. > > Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? > > Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? > > Any input appreciated. > > TIA, > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mail Delivery System" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM > > Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > > > > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of > > > its recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on > > server.mywebmaster.biz. > > > > > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > > > The subject of the message is: > > http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: > > imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 > > SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU > > WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > > > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > > > > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > > > > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > > > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > > > > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue > > > for some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the > > > message remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software > > > will give up, and when that happens, the message will be returned to you. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 9 11:21:27 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:21:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? In-Reply-To: <012401c3d6d3$5e474b40$6501a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky: If you're domain email program allows it, you can recieve email from anything at yourdomain. I started administering my own email for my domain so that I can dish out winhaven email addresses as I need to for staff, interns, etc. It was always been a hassle setting and deleting email accounts through the ISP and they charge per email account. Now I can have as many as I need and I don't pay extra for them. (and it only takes a moment to set up a new address or delete an out of use address!) I've gotten some emails from people who mistakenly put winhaven.net in their email addresses (winhaven.com is a personal "family" type website and I suppose their grandma got mixed up or something.) HTH John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:10 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > > > I think it's probably 2. I've got router firewall, Zone Alarm, and Norton > with email scan on. Would seem to be difficult to infect one of the local > machines here. Also, info at floralsoft.com is not in any of the > machines. I > think it only gets picked up like the other email addresses on the web by > the bots. > > I hope. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:20 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Can't tell for sure. > > > > This is a message from an SMTP server saying that the destination server > is not available and it will try again in x hours for x times. > > This can be the case when a SMTP server at the destinator is down or his > internet link or whatever.... > > It's a normal thing, if this is a temprorary thing (maximum a couple of > days). > > > > BUT!!! > > If you or someone in your company never has send a mail to that person > this could indicate another problem. > > > > 1) One of your computers is hacked/virussed and is beeing > misused to send > spam. > > To solve this problem, find the hacked/virussed computer. > > Or > > 2) Someone elses (someone outside your company network) computer is > hacked/virussed and is using (spoofing) your e-mail address to send spam > (that is commong technique today used by mnay virusses). In this > case there > is nothing you can do but wait until that person will find out > his computer > is beeing misused.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:10 PM > > To: dba-tech > > Cc: Fred & Michael Wahl > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Do I Have a Virus? > > > > > > I keep getting email like this to info at floralsoft.com - my web site > general email account. Also to bchacc at server.mywebmaster.biz an unknown > address. > > > > Anybody know what this is about? Is it a spam dummied up to look like a > bounce in the hopes that I'll respond and confirm my email address? > > > > Or do I have a virus? Or does my ISP have a virus? > > > > Any input appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mail Delivery System" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:12 AM > > > Subject: Warning: message 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK delayed 48 hours > > > > > > > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > > > A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of > > > > its recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on > > > server.mywebmaster.biz. > > > > > > > > The message identifier is: 1Adv7C-0004Nu-EK > > > > The subject of the message is: > > > http://www.floralsoft.com/cgi-sys/formmail.pl > (200.90.96.153:6588) bcc: > > > imagx09 at aol.comcqj jQq852E 7S tn oU k l ZtI7T DAEKyL CTHMp2LUgf7 Dp6 > > > SUXOHbvC q TpOUQ Wr 9rgEP4xiDspU > > > WNo?FFFFCCabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyzABCDEFGHI. > > > > The date of the message is: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:35:38 -0800 > > > > > > > > The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is: > > > > > > > > gQClKRh at www.floralsoft.com > > > > Delay reason: remote host address is the local host > > > > > > > > No action is required on your part. Delivery attempts will continue > > > > for some time, and this warning may be repeated at intervals if the > > > > message remains undelivered. Eventually the mail delivery software > > > > will give up, and when that happens, the message will be returned to > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Jan 9 12:34:29 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:34:29 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL Message-ID: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Anybody knows it's a children work to make and install a Web Service using MS Tools - e.g. using MS VB6 and MS SOAP Toolkit 3.0. It's the same kind of easy work to get referenced and use a Web Service from VS.Net... Unfortunately I need/wanted to make a Web Services using PHP or PERL to run it on my ISP site, which uses Linix and Apache. I did some intensive search and I've found two interesting tools: - PHP: ftp://ftp.activestate.com/WebService/PHP/webservice.zip (http://dietrich.ganx4.com/nusoap/index.php) - PERL: http://soaplite.com/ PERL doesn't work on my ISP - some strange errors when using SOAP::Lite package (Can't locate URI.pm in @INC ) and I didn't yet find how to solve this problem - they say the path to one on the packages should be explicitly specified - added to the @INC array - how to add the path to this array - still a problem for me because I don't know PERL... I went more smoothly with PHP (I did get working sample web service callable from PHP itself) but I don't see how I can implement a PHP Web Service callable from e.g. VS.Net. Did anybody here do that? Basically, what is needed as far as I understand is to make a WSDL file similar to the one generated by SOAP Toolkit with the only difference that element of this WSDL file should refer to a .php script - something like that: ... ... Now, wshello.php should be able to accept SOAP requests from wshello web service clients, parse them to get parameters, call a .PHP, .cgi, etc .... implementations of a web service, get result and return SOAP response to the client. PHP solution (webservice.zip) referred above has sample code (see P.S.) - the samples 1 and 2 work OK for me but I must say I don't know what they mean by samples 3 and 4 nor I don't know how to call this sample PHP web service (sample 1 - works OK when called from sample 2) from VS.NET. I guess the solution is very close if exists at all but I'm stuck with what to do next :( What I'm missing? Can anybody help me? TIA, Shamil P.S. USAGE EXAMPLES: (webservice.zip) 1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE register('hello'); function hello($name){ // optionally catch an error and return a fault if($name == ''){ return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); } return "hello $name!"; } $s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); ?> 2. BASIC CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE 'dietrich'); $soapclient = new soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.php'); echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); ?> 3. WSDL CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE call('hello',$parameters); ?> 4. PROXY CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE (only works w/ wsdl) getProxy(); echo $soap_proxy->hello('dietrich'); ?> -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Jan 9 13:14:02 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:14:02 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <003e01c3d6e4$d0ac5bb0$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Well, I made it working! If anybody wanted to test it to approve I'm not dreaming - here is a simple VB.NET test code: Imports ws = winApp.ru.spb.smsconsulting .... Dim wsrv As ws.wshello wsrv = New ws.wshello() Me.txtTest.Text = wsrv.hello(System.Environment.UserName) ... This code calls a PHP web service presented in (1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE) of original message and sets the value of me.txtTest textbox to the value returned by this Web service. The wsdl file of this sample Web service is here: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/phptest/soap/services/wshello.wsdl One have to set a Web reference to this wsdl file from VS.NET to use this web service. HTH, Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "dba - Tech" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL <<>> > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Jan 9 14:20:22 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:20:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> Well I know there was a large problem with Axis Soap and/or Apache and MS Soap clients It was fixed in later versions of Axis, RPC Document Lit coding? See listed in here somewhere http://www.searchwebservices.com http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci913069,00.html or you could try the NuSoap code and PHP IDE from http://www.NuSphere.com https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nusoap-general or http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsoaptoolkit/ http://news.php.net/group.php?group=php.soap&i=1280 Axis with Java RPC http://www.techmetrix.com/trendmarkers/wp/pubproduct.php?P=wpp0802-1 You may have to use something like GLUE to generate your WSDL file Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Hi All, > >Anybody knows it's a children work to make and install a Web Service >using MS Tools - e.g. using MS VB6 and MS SOAP Toolkit 3.0. It's the >same kind of easy work to get referenced and use a Web Service from >VS.Net... > >Unfortunately I need/wanted to make a Web Services using PHP or PERL to >run it on my ISP site, which uses Linix and Apache. > >I did some intensive search and I've found two interesting tools: > >- PHP: ftp://ftp.activestate.com/WebService/PHP/webservice.zip >(http://dietrich.ganx4.com/nusoap/index.php) >- PERL: http://soaplite.com/ > >PERL doesn't work on my ISP - some strange errors when using SOAP::Lite >package (Can't locate URI.pm in @INC ) and I didn't yet find how to >solve this problem - they say the path to one on the packages should be >explicitly specified - added to the @INC array - how to add the path to >this array - still a problem for me because I don't know PERL... > >I went more smoothly with PHP (I did get working sample web service >callable from PHP itself) but I don't see how I can implement a PHP Web >Service callable from e.g. VS.Net. Did anybody here do that? > >Basically, what is needed as far as I understand is to make a WSDL file >similar to the one generated by SOAP Toolkit with the only difference >that element of this WSDL file should refer to a .php script - >something like that: > >... > > > > > >... > >Now, wshello.php should be able to accept SOAP requests from wshello web >service clients, parse them to get parameters, call a .PHP, .cgi, etc >.... implementations of a web service, get result and return SOAP >response to the client. > >PHP solution (webservice.zip) referred above has sample code (see >P.S.) - the samples 1 and 2 work OK for me but I must say I don't know >what they mean by samples 3 and 4 nor I don't know how to call this >sample PHP web service (sample 1 - works OK when called from sample 2) >from VS.NET. > >I guess the solution is very close if exists at all but I'm stuck with >what to do next :( > >What I'm missing? >Can anybody help me? > >TIA, >Shamil > >P.S. > >USAGE EXAMPLES: (webservice.zip) > >1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); >$s = new soap_server; >$s->register('hello'); >function hello($name){ > // optionally catch an error and return a fault > if($name == ''){ > return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); > } > return "hello $name!"; >} >$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); > >?> > >2. BASIC CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); >$parameters = array('name'=>'dietrich'); >$soapclient = new soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.php'); >echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > >?> > >3. WSDL CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); >$parameters = array('dietrich'); >$soapclient = new >soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); >echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > >?> > >4. PROXY CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE (only works w/ wsdl) > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); >$soapclient = new >soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); >$soap_proxy = $soapclient->getProxy(); >echo $soap_proxy->hello('dietrich'); > >?> > >-- >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Jan 9 14:52:18 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:52:18 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> Marty, Thanks for your refs! I seems to have success with NuSoap as I wrote in my second messge to this thread. Now, the question is can I put more than one function in PHP WebService script - e.g. having this: register('hello'); function hello($name){ // optionally catch an error and return a fault if($name == ''){ return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); } return "HELLO, $name!"; } $s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); ?> How can I add something like this: function hello1($firstname, $lastname){ return "HELLO, $name $lastname!"; } to make it a second web service located in the same php file? Of course I can make another .php file but I hope it's possible to use one with two or more functions/web services. TIA, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL > Well I know there was a large problem with Axis Soap and/or Apache and > MS Soap clients > It was fixed in later versions of Axis, RPC Document Lit coding? > > See listed in here somewhere > http://www.searchwebservices.com > http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci913069,00.html > or you could try the NuSoap code and PHP IDE > from > http://www.NuSphere.com > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nusoap-general > > or > http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsoaptoolkit/ > > http://news.php.net/group.php?group=php.soap&i=1280 > Axis with Java RPC > http://www.techmetrix.com/trendmarkers/wp/pubproduct.php?P=wpp0802-1 > > You may have to use something like GLUE to generate your WSDL file > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Anybody knows it's a children work to make and install a Web Service > >using MS Tools - e.g. using MS VB6 and MS SOAP Toolkit 3.0. It's the > >same kind of easy work to get referenced and use a Web Service from > >VS.Net... > > > >Unfortunately I need/wanted to make a Web Services using PHP or PERL to > >run it on my ISP site, which uses Linix and Apache. > > > >I did some intensive search and I've found two interesting tools: > > > >- PHP: ftp://ftp.activestate.com/WebService/PHP/webservice.zip > >(http://dietrich.ganx4.com/nusoap/index.php) > >- PERL: http://soaplite.com/ > > > >PERL doesn't work on my ISP - some strange errors when using SOAP::Lite > >package (Can't locate URI.pm in @INC ) and I didn't yet find how to > >solve this problem - they say the path to one on the packages should be > >explicitly specified - added to the @INC array - how to add the path to > >this array - still a problem for me because I don't know PERL... > > > >I went more smoothly with PHP (I did get working sample web service > >callable from PHP itself) but I don't see how I can implement a PHP Web > >Service callable from e.g. VS.Net. Did anybody here do that? > > > >Basically, what is needed as far as I understand is to make a WSDL file > >similar to the one generated by SOAP Toolkit with the only difference > >that element of this WSDL file should refer to a .php script - > >something like that: > > > >... > > > > > > > > > > > >... > > > >Now, wshello.php should be able to accept SOAP requests from wshello web > >service clients, parse them to get parameters, call a .PHP, .cgi, etc > >.... implementations of a web service, get result and return SOAP > >response to the client. > > > >PHP solution (webservice.zip) referred above has sample code (see > >P.S.) - the samples 1 and 2 work OK for me but I must say I don't know > >what they mean by samples 3 and 4 nor I don't know how to call this > >sample PHP web service (sample 1 - works OK when called from sample 2) > >from VS.NET. > > > >I guess the solution is very close if exists at all but I'm stuck with > >what to do next :( > > > >What I'm missing? > >Can anybody help me? > > > >TIA, > >Shamil > > > >P.S. > > > >USAGE EXAMPLES: (webservice.zip) > > > >1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE > > > > > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); > >$s = new soap_server; > >$s->register('hello'); > >function hello($name){ > > // optionally catch an error and return a fault > > if($name == ''){ > > return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); > > } > > return "hello $name!"; > >} > >$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); > > > >?> > > > >2. BASIC CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > > > > > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); > >$parameters = array('name'=>'dietrich'); > >$soapclient = new soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.php'); > >echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > > > >?> > > > >3. WSDL CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > > > > > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); > >$parameters = array('dietrich'); > >$soapclient = new > >soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); > >echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > > > >?> > > > >4. PROXY CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE (only works w/ wsdl) > > > > > > >require_once('nusoap.php'); > >$soapclient = new > >soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); > >$soap_proxy = $soapclient->getProxy(); > >echo $soap_proxy->hello('dietrich'); > > > >?> > > > >-- > >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Jan 9 16:23:24 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:23:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> I think you can do this with multiple operations in your wsdl Use this site to test your wsdl file url for validity It also returns your operation method parameters. http://www.mgateway.com/wsdlClient.htm Here is an example of a multi operation wsdl It has 17 operations. http://www.financialwebservices.ltd.uk/axis/services/bond?wsdl As for the wsdl syntax you will have to look up. The PHP would probably look something like this $isbn); $soapclient = new soapclient( 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); $result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); print "&price=$result"; ?> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Marty, > >Thanks for your refs! > >I seems to have success with NuSoap as I wrote in my second messge to >this thread. >Now, the question is can I put more than one function in PHP WebService >script - e.g. having this: > >require_once('../nu/nusoap.php'); >$s = new soap_server; >$s->register('hello'); >function hello($name){ > // optionally catch an error and return a fault > if($name == ''){ > return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); > } > return "HELLO, $name!"; >} >$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); >?> > >How can I add something like this: > >function hello1($firstname, $lastname){ > return "HELLO, $name $lastname!"; >} > >to make it a second web service located in the same php file? >Of course I can make another .php file but I hope it's possible to use >one with two or more functions/web services. > >TIA, >Shamil > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MartyConnelly" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:20 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or >PERL > > > > >>Well I know there was a large problem with Axis Soap and/or Apache and >>MS Soap clients >>It was fixed in later versions of Axis, RPC Document Lit coding? >> >>See listed in here somewhere >>http://www.searchwebservices.com >> >> >> >http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci913069,00.html > > >>or you could try the NuSoap code and PHP IDE >>from >>http://www.NuSphere.com >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nusoap-general >> >>or >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsoaptoolkit/ >> >>http://news.php.net/group.php?group=php.soap&i=1280 >>Axis with Java RPC >>http://www.techmetrix.com/trendmarkers/wp/pubproduct.php?P=wpp0802-1 >> >>You may have to use something like GLUE to generate your WSDL file >> >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>Anybody knows it's a children work to make and install a Web Service >>>using MS Tools - e.g. using MS VB6 and MS SOAP Toolkit 3.0. It's the >>>same kind of easy work to get referenced and use a Web Service from >>>VS.Net... >>> >>>Unfortunately I need/wanted to make a Web Services using PHP or PERL >>> >>> >to > > >>>run it on my ISP site, which uses Linix and Apache. >>> >>>I did some intensive search and I've found two interesting tools: >>> >>>- PHP: ftp://ftp.activestate.com/WebService/PHP/webservice.zip >>>(http://dietrich.ganx4.com/nusoap/index.php) >>>- PERL: http://soaplite.com/ >>> >>>PERL doesn't work on my ISP - some strange errors when using >>> >>> >SOAP::Lite > > >>>package (Can't locate URI.pm in @INC ) and I didn't yet find how to >>>solve this problem - they say the path to one on the packages should >>> >>> >be > > >>>explicitly specified - added to the @INC array - how to add the path >>> >>> >to > > >>>this array - still a problem for me because I don't know PERL... >>> >>>I went more smoothly with PHP (I did get working sample web service >>>callable from PHP itself) but I don't see how I can implement a PHP >>> >>> >Web > > >>>Service callable from e.g. VS.Net. Did anybody here do that? >>> >>>Basically, what is needed as far as I understand is to make a WSDL >>> >>> >file > > >>>similar to the one generated by SOAP Toolkit with the only difference >>>that element of this WSDL file should refer to a .php script - >>>something like that: >>> >>>... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>... >>> >>>Now, wshello.php should be able to accept SOAP requests from wshello >>> >>> >web > > >>>service clients, parse them to get parameters, call a .PHP, .cgi, etc >>>.... implementations of a web service, get result and return SOAP >>>response to the client. >>> >>>PHP solution (webservice.zip) referred above has sample code (see >>>P.S.) - the samples 1 and 2 work OK for me but I must say I don't >>> >>> >know > > >>>what they mean by samples 3 and 4 nor I don't know how to call this >>>sample PHP web service (sample 1 - works OK when called from sample >>> >>> >2) > > >>>from VS.NET. >> >> >>>I guess the solution is very close if exists at all but I'm stuck >>> >>> >with > > >>>what to do next :( >>> >>>What I'm missing? >>>Can anybody help me? >>> >>>TIA, >>>Shamil >>> >>>P.S. >>> >>>USAGE EXAMPLES: (webservice.zip) >>> >>>1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE >>> >>>>> >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); >>>$s = new soap_server; >>>$s->register('hello'); >>>function hello($name){ >>>// optionally catch an error and return a fault >>>if($name == ''){ >>> return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); >>> } >>>return "hello $name!"; >>>} >>>$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); >>> >>>?> >>> >>>2. BASIC CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE >>> >>>>> >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); >>>$parameters = array('name'=>'dietrich'); >>>$soapclient = new soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.php'); >>>echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); >>> >>>?> >>> >>>3. WSDL CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE >>> >>>>> >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); >>>$parameters = array('dietrich'); >>>$soapclient = new >>>soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); >>>echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); >>> >>>?> >>> >>>4. PROXY CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE (only works w/ wsdl) >>> >>>>> >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); >>>$soapclient = new >>>soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); >>>$soap_proxy = $soapclient->getProxy(); >>>echo $soap_proxy->hello('dietrich'); >>> >>>?> >>> >>>-- >>>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Marty Connelly >>Victoria, B.C. >>Canada >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Jan 10 10:14:21 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:14:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] ADO 2.7 Library Reference Message-ID: <000001c3d794$cecd5280$de1811d8@DanWaters> On a client's PC that uses Windows NT, I am unable to locate the reference for ADO 2.7 in the references window. On my PC with WXP I can find and check the library in the references window. On my PC the library file is msado15.dll, and the path is displayed in the references window. On the client's PC the msado15.dll file (same version) is also located in the same directory as my PC. So the right file is in the right place but I can't select it as a reference - what could be the reason for the ADO 2.7 library not appearing in the references window on the client's PC? Any ideas would be helpful! Thanks, Dan Waters Quality Process Solutions From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sat Jan 10 12:33:23 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:33:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] ADO 2.7 Library Reference References: <000001c3d794$cecd5280$de1811d8@DanWaters> Message-ID: <40004573.5020000@shaw.ca> Here is how to track down these problems WinNT SP5 has ADO 1.5 as the default WinXP has ADO 2.7 as its default How do I know? I go to the DLL Hell database http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp&fp=1 and type in msado15.dll This will give you a list of the versions msado15.dll that could be installed Go to your clients machine in Win explorer C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado\ and on file msado15.dll right click select properties then select version tab and note file version number . Mine says 2.71.9030 so I have some version of ADO 2.7 from one of the MDAC downloads, there maybe different versions of MDAC installed for one major version number 2.7. My version number came from either WinXP SP 1 or SQL Server 2000 SP3. I find out this from the "more info" on the version number of msado15.dll in the DLL Hell information. While you are in explorer at C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado\ You may see files like msado21.tlb msado25.tlb msado26.tlb These tlb files( type libraries) are the older versions of MDAC's installed that you can still reference rather than the possible default higher version. If you want to upgrade your NT system to MDAC 2.7 go to http://www.microsoft.com/data/download I would choose MDAC 2.71 SP1 Refresh MS no longer allows MDAC downloads below MDAC 2.1 You can also download MDAC Utility: Component Checker from the same page which will report on the version of MDAC installed automagically you can download from here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8F0A8DF6-4A21-4B43-BF53-14332EF092C9&displaylang=en So why did I tell you the long way. Well you might as well update Jet while you are here. There used to be Jet upgrades contained in the MDAC below 2.6 Now they are a separate install and download You can use the long above procedure to check which version of Jet is installed. Look under C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet40.dll or older version msjet35.dll So on url http://www.microsoft.com/data/download scroll half way down to find downloads. And install one the following Jet Service Packs depending on your OS Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8 Jet 4.0 SP8 is the latest service pack for Jet 4.0. It clears up sandbox problems. SP 8.0 downloads are available for Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7 for Windows 98, NT, and ME, download and install SP7 Jet 4.0 SP7 is available for Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows NT, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. One other caveat some older versions of VB6 programs may break on installation of ADO 2.7 The odds are about 1:100 I have only heard of this happening with some shareware programs. So just recompile after pointing reference to the correct ADO dll or tlb. Also some of these SP's will not work below Win98. Also you can check these version numbers via VBA code if necessary. Dan Waters wrote: >On a client's PC that uses Windows NT, I am unable to locate the reference >for ADO 2.7 in the references window. On my PC with WXP I can find and >check the library in the references window. On my PC the library file is >msado15.dll, and the path is displayed in the references window. On the >client's PC the msado15.dll file (same version) is also located in the same >directory as my PC. > >So the right file is in the right place but I can't select it as a reference >- what could be the reason for the ADO 2.7 library not appearing in the >references window on the client's PC? > >Any ideas would be helpful! > >Thanks, >Dan Waters >Quality Process Solutions >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Jan 10 13:41:42 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:41:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] ADO 2.7 Library Reference In-Reply-To: <4426484.1073763044763.JavaMail.root@sniper1> Message-ID: <000001c3d7b1$c9456f60$de1811d8@DanWaters> Marty - Wow! Thanks for this wealth of info! I can use this for the long term. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ADO 2.7 Library Reference Here is how to track down these problems WinNT SP5 has ADO 1.5 as the default WinXP has ADO 2.7 as its default How do I know? I go to the DLL Hell database http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dll info.asp&fp=1 and type in msado15.dll This will give you a list of the versions msado15.dll that could be installed Go to your clients machine in Win explorer C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado\ and on file msado15.dll right click select properties then select version tab and note file version number . Mine says 2.71.9030 so I have some version of ADO 2.7 from one of the MDAC downloads, there maybe different versions of MDAC installed for one major version number 2.7. My version number came from either WinXP SP 1 or SQL Server 2000 SP3. I find out this from the "more info" on the version number of msado15.dll in the DLL Hell information. While you are in explorer at C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\ado\ You may see files like msado21.tlb msado25.tlb msado26.tlb These tlb files( type libraries) are the older versions of MDAC's installed that you can still reference rather than the possible default higher version. If you want to upgrade your NT system to MDAC 2.7 go to http://www.microsoft.com/data/download I would choose MDAC 2.71 SP1 Refresh MS no longer allows MDAC downloads below MDAC 2.1 You can also download MDAC Utility: Component Checker from the same page which will report on the version of MDAC installed automagically you can download from here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8F0A8DF6-4A21-4B43- BF53-14332EF092C9&displaylang=en So why did I tell you the long way. Well you might as well update Jet while you are here. There used to be Jet upgrades contained in the MDAC below 2.6 Now they are a separate install and download You can use the long above procedure to check which version of Jet is installed. Look under C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet40.dll or older version msjet35.dll So on url http://www.microsoft.com/data/download scroll half way down to find downloads. And install one the following Jet Service Packs depending on your OS Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8 Jet 4.0 SP8 is the latest service pack for Jet 4.0. It clears up sandbox problems. SP 8.0 downloads are available for Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. Jet 4.0 Service Pack 7 for Windows 98, NT, and ME, download and install SP7 Jet 4.0 SP7 is available for Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows NT, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003. One other caveat some older versions of VB6 programs may break on installation of ADO 2.7 The odds are about 1:100 I have only heard of this happening with some shareware programs. So just recompile after pointing reference to the correct ADO dll or tlb. Also some of these SP's will not work below Win98. Also you can check these version numbers via VBA code if necessary. Dan Waters wrote: >On a client's PC that uses Windows NT, I am unable to locate the >reference for ADO 2.7 in the references window. On my PC with WXP I >can find and check the library in the references window. On my PC the >library file is msado15.dll, and the path is displayed in the >references window. On the client's PC the msado15.dll file (same >version) is also located in the same directory as my PC. > >So the right file is in the right place but I can't select it as a >reference >- what could be the reason for the ADO 2.7 library not appearing in the >references window on the client's PC? > >Any ideas would be helpful! > >Thanks, >Dan Waters >Quality Process Solutions >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Jan 12 12:04:29 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:04:29 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <001501c3d936$98014fb0$b501010a@PARIS> <<< The PHP would probably look something like this >>> Marty, Did you try this .php script? I tried to use it but I didn't get it to work correctly. Then I made a slightly corrected version of your sample .php script: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/phptest/soap/test.php?isbn=0060188782 $isbn); // test echoing of the parameters array echo "Parameters:
"; while(list($key, $value) = each($parameters)) { echo "$key = $value
";} // create soapclient object $soapclient = new soapclient( 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); // call getPrice Web Service $result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); // echo Web Service call results echo "
Result:
"; print "price=$result
"; ?> It didn't work either :( And teh following VB.Net code with a Web Reference set to http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl Dim wsrv As New net.xmethods.www.BNQuoteService() Me.txtPrice.Text = wsrv.getPrice("0060188782") works OK and returns: 13.75 Do you think the problem is with NuSOAP.php or with the corrected .php script? TIA for any additional tips and tricks, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL > I think you can do this with multiple operations in your wsdl > Use this site to test your wsdl file url for validity It also returns > your operation method parameters. > > http://www.mgateway.com/wsdlClient.htm > > Here is an example of a multi operation wsdl It has 17 operations. > > http://www.financialwebservices.ltd.uk/axis/services/bond?wsdl > As for the wsdl syntax you will have to look up. > > The PHP would probably look something like this > > $isbn = $HTTP_POST_VARS['isbn']; > require_once('nusoap.php'); > $parameters = array('isbn' => $isbn); > $soapclient = new soapclient( > 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); > $result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); > print "&price=$result"; > ?> > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Marty, > > > >Thanks for your refs! > > > >I seems to have success with NuSoap as I wrote in my second messge to > >this thread. > >Now, the question is can I put more than one function in PHP WebService > >script - e.g. having this: > > > > >require_once('../nu/nusoap.php'); > >$s = new soap_server; > >$s->register('hello'); > >function hello($name){ > > // optionally catch an error and return a fault > > if($name == ''){ > > return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); > > } > > return "HELLO, $name!"; > >} > >$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); > >?> > > > >How can I add something like this: > > > >function hello1($firstname, $lastname){ > > return "HELLO, $name $lastname!"; > >} > > > >to make it a second web service located in the same php file? > >Of course I can make another .php file but I hope it's possible to use > >one with two or more functions/web services. > > > >TIA, > >Shamil > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MartyConnelly" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:20 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or > >PERL > > > > > > > > > >>Well I know there was a large problem with Axis Soap and/or Apache and > >>MS Soap clients > >>It was fixed in later versions of Axis, RPC Document Lit coding? > >> > >>See listed in here somewhere > >>http://www.searchwebservices.com > >> > >> > >> > >http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_ gci913069,00.html > > > > > >>or you could try the NuSoap code and PHP IDE > >>from > >>http://www.NuSphere.com > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nusoap-general > >> > >>or > >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsoaptoolkit/ > >> > >>http://news.php.net/group.php?group=php.soap&i=1280 > >>Axis with Java RPC > >>http://www.techmetrix.com/trendmarkers/wp/pubproduct.php?P=wpp0802-1 > >> > >>You may have to use something like GLUE to generate your WSDL file > >> > >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi All, > >>> > >>>Anybody knows it's a children work to make and install a Web Service > >>>using MS Tools - e.g. using MS VB6 and MS SOAP Toolkit 3.0. It's the > >>>same kind of easy work to get referenced and use a Web Service from > >>>VS.Net... > >>> > >>>Unfortunately I need/wanted to make a Web Services using PHP or PERL > >>> > >>> > >to > > > > > >>>run it on my ISP site, which uses Linix and Apache. > >>> > >>>I did some intensive search and I've found two interesting tools: > >>> > >>>- PHP: ftp://ftp.activestate.com/WebService/PHP/webservice.zip > >>>(http://dietrich.ganx4.com/nusoap/index.php) > >>>- PERL: http://soaplite.com/ > >>> > >>>PERL doesn't work on my ISP - some strange errors when using > >>> > >>> > >SOAP::Lite > > > > > >>>package (Can't locate URI.pm in @INC ) and I didn't yet find how to > >>>solve this problem - they say the path to one on the packages should > >>> > >>> > >be > > > > > >>>explicitly specified - added to the @INC array - how to add the path > >>> > >>> > >to > > > > > >>>this array - still a problem for me because I don't know PERL... > >>> > >>>I went more smoothly with PHP (I did get working sample web service > >>>callable from PHP itself) but I don't see how I can implement a PHP > >>> > >>> > >Web > > > > > >>>Service callable from e.g. VS.Net. Did anybody here do that? > >>> > >>>Basically, what is needed as far as I understand is to make a WSDL > >>> > >>> > >file > > > > > >>>similar to the one generated by SOAP Toolkit with the only difference > >>>that element of this WSDL file should refer to a .php script - > >>>something like that: > >>> > >>>... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>... > >>> > >>>Now, wshello.php should be able to accept SOAP requests from wshello > >>> > >>> > >web > > > > > >>>service clients, parse them to get parameters, call a .PHP, .cgi, etc > >>>.... implementations of a web service, get result and return SOAP > >>>response to the client. > >>> > >>>PHP solution (webservice.zip) referred above has sample code (see > >>>P.S.) - the samples 1 and 2 work OK for me but I must say I don't > >>> > >>> > >know > > > > > >>>what they mean by samples 3 and 4 nor I don't know how to call this > >>>sample PHP web service (sample 1 - works OK when called from sample > >>> > >>> > >2) > > > > > >>>from VS.NET. > >> > >> > >>>I guess the solution is very close if exists at all but I'm stuck > >>> > >>> > >with > > > > > >>>what to do next :( > >>> > >>>What I'm missing? > >>>Can anybody help me? > >>> > >>>TIA, > >>>Shamil > >>> > >>>P.S. > >>> > >>>USAGE EXAMPLES: (webservice.zip) > >>> > >>>1. BASIC SERVER EXAMPLE > >>> > >>> >>> > >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); > >>>$s = new soap_server; > >>>$s->register('hello'); > >>>function hello($name){ > >>>// optionally catch an error and return a fault > >>>if($name == ''){ > >>> return new soap_fault('Client','','Must supply a valid name.'); > >>> } > >>>return "hello $name!"; > >>>} > >>>$s->service($HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA); > >>> > >>>?> > >>> > >>>2. BASIC CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > >>> > >>> >>> > >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); > >>>$parameters = array('name'=>'dietrich'); > >>>$soapclient = new soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.php'); > >>>echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > >>> > >>>?> > >>> > >>>3. WSDL CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE > >>> > >>> >>> > >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); > >>>$parameters = array('dietrich'); > >>>$soapclient = new > >>>soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); > >>>echo $soapclient->call('hello',$parameters); > >>> > >>>?> > >>> > >>>4. PROXY CLIENT USAGE EXAMPLE (only works w/ wsdl) > >>> > >>> >>> > >>>require_once('nusoap.php'); > >>>$soapclient = new > >>>soapclient('http://someSOAPServer.com/hello.wsdl','wsdl'); > >>>$soap_proxy = $soapclient->getProxy(); > >>>echo $soap_proxy->hello('dietrich'); > >>> > >>>?> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>dba-Tech mailing list > >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Marty Connelly > >>Victoria, B.C. > >>Canada > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Jan 12 13:48:38 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:48:38 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca><002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> <001501c3d936$98014fb0$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <002f01c3d945$47dc3310$b501010a@PARIS> Marty, I tested the script again with the latest version of NuSOAP - the problem is with my ISP - they have blocked getSocket() function call :(... Shamil P.S. Constructor error wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): Protocol not available Error operation getPrice not present. Request Response Debug soapclient: instantiating wsdl class with doc: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl soapclient: wsdl debug: wsdl: initial wsdl file: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl wsdl: getting URL http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl wsdl: transport debug data... soap_transport_http: scheme = http soap_transport_http: host = www.xmethods.net soap_transport_http: path = /sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl soap_transport_http: entered send() with data of length: 0 soap_transport_http: calling fsockopen with host www.xmethods.net soap_transport_http: Couldn't open socket connection to server http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): Protocol not available wsdl: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): Protocol not available soapclient: got wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): Protocol not available soapclient: call: getPrice, Array, , , , soapclient: endpointType: wsdl soapclient: No data for operation: getPrice soapclient: operation 'getPrice' not present. soapclient: wsdl debug: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL > <<< > The PHP would probably look something like this > >>> > Marty, > > Did you try this .php script? > I tried to use it but I didn't get it to work correctly. > Then I made a slightly corrected version of your sample .php script: > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/phptest/soap/test.php?isbn=0060188782 > > // include nuSoap.php > require_once('./nu/nusoap.php'); > // get parameter > $isbn = $HTTP_GET_VARS['isbn']; > // make parameters array for Web Service call > $parameters = array('isbn'=>$isbn); > // test echoing of the parameters array > echo "Parameters:
"; > while(list($key, $value) = each($parameters)) > { echo "$key = $value
";} > // create soapclient object > $soapclient = new soapclient( > 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); > // call getPrice Web Service > $result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); > // echo Web Service call results > echo "
Result:
"; > print "price=$result
"; > ?> > > It didn't work either :( > > And teh following VB.Net code with a Web Reference set to > http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl > > Dim wsrv As New net.xmethods.www.BNQuoteService() > Me.txtPrice.Text = wsrv.getPrice("0060188782") > > works OK and returns: > 13.75 > > Do you think the problem is with NuSOAP.php or with the corrected .php > script? > > TIA for any additional tips and tricks, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MartyConnelly" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <<< skipped for brevity >>> From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jan 13 06:15:56 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:15:56 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Review of Windows XP SP2 Beta version Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA44A1A0@ALCUXB> http://www.windows-help.net/WindowsXP/sp2-b1-review.html Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 13 15:13:08 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:13:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Viewing process caller Message-ID: Anyone know how to view which application has initiated a process? Specifically I would like to see which process is initiating the WCS dial-up service when it occurs. JB From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com Tue Jan 13 17:23:43 2004 From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:23:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pocket PC question Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305092A9@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> Anybody out there own an HP IPAQ h5400? As I am looking for some information regarding the Companion CD, responses off-list are fine. Jeff Barrows Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI Phone: (262) 634-0653 Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com www.outbaktech.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Jan 13 20:50:52 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:50:52 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> <001501c3d936$98014fb0$b501010a@PARIS> <002f01c3d945$47dc3310$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <4004AE8C.5000600@shaw.ca> Maybe they turned this socket off to stop mass mailers. You could try to write a Web service client using SOAP::Lite http://builder.com.com/5100-6389-1046624.html?tag=ra A hands-on tour of SOAP::Lite http://builder.com.com/5100-6389-1046624.html?tag=ra or throw a soap envelope at the wsdl file You could even do this from Access without a Soap toolkit as per Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Marty, > >I tested the script again with the latest version of NuSOAP - the >problem is with my ISP - they have blocked getSocket() function call >:(... > >Shamil > >P.S. > >Constructor error >wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available >Error >operation getPrice not present. >Request > >Response > >Debug >soapclient: instantiating wsdl class with doc: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >soapclient: wsdl debug: >wsdl: initial wsdl file: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >wsdl: getting URL http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >wsdl: transport debug data... >soap_transport_http: scheme = http >soap_transport_http: host = www.xmethods.net >soap_transport_http: path = /sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >soap_transport_http: entered send() with data of length: 0 >soap_transport_http: calling fsockopen with host www.xmethods.net >soap_transport_http: Couldn't open socket connection to server >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available > >wsdl: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available > >soapclient: got wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection >to server: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error >(92): Protocol not available >soapclient: call: getPrice, Array, , , , >soapclient: endpointType: wsdl >soapclient: No data for operation: getPrice >soapclient: operation 'getPrice' not present. >soapclient: wsdl debug: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:04 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or >PERL > > > > >><<< >>The PHP would probably look something like this >> >> >>Marty, >> >>Did you try this .php script? >>I tried to use it but I didn't get it to work correctly. >>Then I made a slightly corrected version of your sample .php script: >> >>http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/phptest/soap/test.php?isbn=0060188782 >> >>>// include nuSoap.php >>require_once('./nu/nusoap.php'); >>// get parameter >>$isbn = $HTTP_GET_VARS['isbn']; >>// make parameters array for Web Service call >>$parameters = array('isbn'=>$isbn); >>// test echoing of the parameters array >>echo "Parameters:
"; >>while(list($key, $value) = each($parameters)) >>{ echo "$key = $value
";} >>// create soapclient object >>$soapclient = new soapclient( >> 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); >>// call getPrice Web Service >>$result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); >>// echo Web Service call results >>echo "
Result:
"; >>print "price=$result
"; >>?> >> >>It didn't work either :( >> >>And teh following VB.Net code with a Web Reference set to >>http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >> >>Dim wsrv As New net.xmethods.www.BNQuoteService() >>Me.txtPrice.Text = wsrv.getPrice("0060188782") >> >>works OK and returns: >>13.75 >> >>Do you think the problem is with NuSOAP.php or with the corrected .php >>script? >> >>TIA for any additional tips and tricks, >>Shamil >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "MartyConnelly" >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> > ><<< skipped for brevity >>> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Jan 13 23:13:51 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:13:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> <001501c3d936$98014fb0$b501010a@PARIS> <002f01c3d945$47dc3310$b501010a@PARIS> <4004AE8C.5000600@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4004D00F.5020806@shaw.ca> Also have a poke around here Soap Developer mailing lists, implementation examples and tutorials http://www.soapware.org/directory/4 -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 14 05:22:36 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:22:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell Message-ID: A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am not knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you folks are an opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your opinion on whether Dell is as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. Thanks, John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 14 07:40:42 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:40:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14620566653.20040114144042@cactus.dk> Hi John Why not go for the real thing, an IBM? Quality is premium and service is second to none. /gustav > A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, > but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am not > knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you folks are an > opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your opinion on whether Dell is > as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 14 10:09:28 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:09:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi John, You didn't mention what size company or the purpose of the server so I'm assuming its a small business domain/file server. I've worked with both Dell and Compaq Wintel based servers. I have a Dell PowerEdge Server (Dual Pentium). I have no preference between the two as far as servers go. Both companies have fine products and support in my experience. Keep in mind that the supporting equipment and setup will be as important as the server. I usually include things like UPS, backup, OS, licensing, etc. in the price estimate. I personally think HP/Compaq has more of a IT friendly, strategic outlook as a company but if you're dealing with a company that has a knowledgeable support staff that is of little consequence. There are other companies to consider buying a server from but since you didn't list them... I have recently read that Dell has purportedly discussed adapting a policy whereby its support staff will not be allowed to inform its customers concerning the prevention/removal of Add/Spyware (malware), to the point of not even mentioning the possibility that malware may be the cause of the customer's problem. In my experience malware can cause major problems by consuming RAM and causing system conflicts/lockups/crashes. Its not a small issue. If Dell or any other company adopts a policy such as this (and I repeat, I have not verified that Dell is following through on this) I would have to regard that as extremely poor judgment and avoid their products. I'm not suggesting that they help anyone fix malware problems but only that they inform people of the possibility of them and offer possible alternatives on how to remove the trouble software. Even Symantec does that much. (Norton anti-virus now removes some malware but the tech support will still refer people to use Spybot Search & Destroy if it is warranted.) I understand that big compaines are being pressured by the potential for lawsuits from malware companies. Kind of like suing a fast-food restaurant for giving you hot coffee! HTH John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:23 AM > To: DBA - Tech; AccessD > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > > > A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, > but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am not > knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you > folks are an > opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your opinion on > whether Dell is > as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. > > Thanks, > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 14 11:03:45 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:03:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell References: Message-ID: <003c01c3dac0$5ec9b800$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...hhhmmm ...I wouldn't expect Dell to normally include malware in their support ...personally I'd always run Spybot S&D and PestPatrol among other diagnostics before calling any support point ...now the exception to that is that I would expect Dell Support to be aware of any recent malware/virii issues for which updates have not been released by Symantec/Spybot etc, and warn me of them if my symptoms point in that direction. ...Dell driver and software updates have been consistently good and always appear on the Win Update site at the same time Dell makes them available on their own site which saves me a bit of time. ...based upon customer complaints, Dell has now moved all of its small business/corporate support back to US based staff who actually speak English and can deviate from a script ...my understanding is that HP/Compaq continues to use their India based support but since I don't use them I can't verify that. ...my real bitch with Compaq servers was based upon a couple instances where proprietary components simply were not available for one of their older (3 years) servers and when they were found, the price was simply outrageous ...but you paid or died ...one experience left a client down for more than a week whose entire business was computer based while Compaq searched everywhere for the part according to them ...I finally found it through a desperation plea on another list ...the client bought all new Dell Servers two months later and I've never even considered using Compaq again ...with Dell Servers, I can if necessary use ANY OTS component in an emergency and it will work ...and Dell will continue to honor the rest of its warranty. ...this is of course just my experience ...others evidently have reason to see it differently :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > Hi John, > You didn't mention what size company or the purpose of the server so I'm > assuming its a small business domain/file server. > > I've worked with both Dell and Compaq Wintel based servers. I have a Dell > PowerEdge Server (Dual Pentium). I have no preference between the two as far > as servers go. Both companies have fine products and support in my > experience. > > Keep in mind that the supporting equipment and setup will be as important as > the server. I usually include things like UPS, backup, OS, licensing, etc. > in the price estimate. > > I personally think HP/Compaq has more of a IT friendly, strategic outlook as > a company but if you're dealing with a company that has a knowledgeable > support staff that is of little consequence. There are other companies to > consider buying a server from but since you didn't list them... > > I have recently read that Dell has purportedly discussed adapting a policy > whereby its support staff will not be allowed to inform its customers > concerning the prevention/removal of Add/Spyware (malware), to the point of > not even mentioning the possibility that malware may be the cause of the > customer's problem. In my experience malware can cause major problems by > consuming RAM and causing system conflicts/lockups/crashes. Its not a small > issue. If Dell or any other company adopts a policy such as this (and I > repeat, I have not verified that Dell is following through on this) I would > have to regard that as extremely poor judgment and avoid their products. I'm > not suggesting that they help anyone fix malware problems but only that they > inform people of the possibility of them and offer possible alternatives on > how to remove the trouble software. Even Symantec does that much. (Norton > anti-virus now removes some malware but the tech support will still refer > people to use Spybot Search & Destroy if it is warranted.) I understand that > big compaines are being pressured by the potential for lawsuits from malware > companies. Kind of like suing a fast-food restaurant for giving you hot > coffee! > > HTH > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:23 AM > > To: DBA - Tech; AccessD > > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > > > > > > A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, > > but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am not > > knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you > > folks are an > > opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your opinion on > > whether Dell is > > as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jan 14 11:24:31 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:24:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40057B4F.7040800@verizon.net> I happen to think that either Compaq or Dell are good servers. I've worked in areas where only Dell was acceptable or only Compaq was acceptable. The only feature for going w/ either over the other is of course price :) -- -Francisco John W. Colby wrote: >A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, >but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am not >knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you folks are an >opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your opinion on whether Dell is >as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. > >Thanks, > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From James at fcidms.com Wed Jan 14 11:45:15 2004 From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:45:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was just reading about Dell servers and it seems that they, too, have begun to use proprietary parts in some of their servers. See http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/section/Gripes . I've used Dell servers for a few years and haven't had any complaints. Fortunatly, I haven't had occassion to call their technical support so I can't comment there. At my previous employer, we used Compaq servers exclusively and found them to be reliable but hard to get replacement parts on the few occassions where we had a hardware failure. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell ...hhhmmm ...I wouldn't expect Dell to normally include malware in their support ...personally I'd always run Spybot S&D and PestPatrol among other diagnostics before calling any support point ...now the exception to that is that I would expect Dell Support to be aware of any recent malware/virii issues for which updates have not been released by Symantec/Spybot etc, and warn me of them if my symptoms point in that direction. ...Dell driver and software updates have been consistently good and always appear on the Win Update site at the same time Dell makes them available on their own site which saves me a bit of time. ...based upon customer complaints, Dell has now moved all of its small business/corporate support back to US based staff who actually speak English and can deviate from a script ...my understanding is that HP/Compaq continues to use their India based support but since I don't use them I can't verify that. ...my real bitch with Compaq servers was based upon a couple instances where proprietary components simply were not available for one of their older (3 years) servers and when they were found, the price was simply outrageous ...but you paid or died ...one experience left a client down for more than a week whose entire business was computer based while Compaq searched everywhere for the part according to them ...I finally found it through a desperation plea on another list ...the client bought all new Dell Servers two months later and I've never even considered using Compaq again ...with Dell Servers, I can if necessary use ANY OTS component in an emergency and it will work ...and Dell will continue to honor the rest of its warranty. ...this is of course just my experience ...others evidently have reason to see it differently :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > Hi John, > You didn't mention what size company or the purpose of the server so > I'm assuming its a small business domain/file server. > > I've worked with both Dell and Compaq Wintel based servers. I have a > Dell PowerEdge Server (Dual Pentium). I have no preference between the > two as far > as servers go. Both companies have fine products and support in my > experience. > > Keep in mind that the supporting equipment and setup will be as > important as > the server. I usually include things like UPS, backup, OS, licensing, > etc. in the price estimate. > > I personally think HP/Compaq has more of a IT friendly, strategic > outlook as > a company but if you're dealing with a company that has a > knowledgeable support staff that is of little consequence. There are > other companies to consider buying a server from but since you didn't > list them... > > I have recently read that Dell has purportedly discussed adapting a > policy whereby its support staff will not be allowed to inform its > customers concerning the prevention/removal of Add/Spyware (malware), > to the point of > not even mentioning the possibility that malware may be the cause of > the customer's problem. In my experience malware can cause major > problems by consuming RAM and causing system > conflicts/lockups/crashes. Its not a small > issue. If Dell or any other company adopts a policy such as this (and > I repeat, I have not verified that Dell is following through on this) > I would > have to regard that as extremely poor judgment and avoid their > products. I'm > not suggesting that they help anyone fix malware problems but only > that they > inform people of the possibility of them and offer possible > alternatives on > how to remove the trouble software. Even Symantec does that much. > (Norton anti-virus now removes some malware but the tech support will > still refer people to use Spybot Search & Destroy if it is warranted.) > I understand that > big compaines are being pressured by the potential for lawsuits from malware > companies. Kind of like suing a fast-food restaurant for giving you > hot coffee! > > HTH > John B. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. > > Colby > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:23 AM > > To: DBA - Tech; AccessD > > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > > > > > > A client is looking to buy a server and has always favored Compaq servers, > > but is asking me and others their opinions of Dell vs. Compaq. I am > > not knowledgeable where servers are concerned, and I know that you > > folks are an opinionated bunch so I'd like to get your > > opinion on whether Dell is > > as good as / better than / worse than Compaq when it comes to servers. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 14 12:19:43 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:19:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: <003c01c3dac0$5ec9b800$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: [in line remarks] > > ...hhhmmm ...I wouldn't expect Dell to normally include malware in their > support ...personally I'd always run Spybot S&D and PestPatrol among other > diagnostics before calling any support point ...now the exception > to that is > that I would expect Dell Support to be aware of any recent malware/virii > issues for which updates have not been released by > Symantec/Spybot etc, and > warn me of them if my symptoms point in that direction. > The fact that its an issue that they have to make a policy about shows that its a major concern. Every company is dealing with it now. Most companies advise people to use Spybot S&D, AdAware, Pest Patrol or the like. Symantec is biting a huge bullet adding addware removal to NAV. The sent out a press release a year or two ago that said they wouldn't do it since the EULA of most addware states its purpose and it is thereby legal software but apparently they rethought that. As I understand they have been sued already by Gator. It drives me crazy that businesses would download anything that is not of business value but it happens every day in every customer site I have - regardless of my advice. And, also, sorry for getting this off topic somewhat - if someone has malware on their SERVER (its more of PC problem) they probably deserve bad tech support ;o) > ...Dell driver and software updates have been consistently good and always > appear on the Win Update site at the same time Dell makes them > available on > their own site which saves me a bit of time. Agreed > > ...based upon customer complaints, Dell has now moved all of its small > business/corporate support back to US based staff who actually > speak English > and can deviate from a script ...my understanding is that HP/Compaq > continues to use their India based support but since I don't use them I > can't verify that. Yes this is a major plus! > ...my real bitch with Compaq servers was based upon a couple > instances where > proprietary components simply were not available for one of their older (3 > years) servers and when they were found, the price was simply outrageous > ...but you paid or died ...one experience left a client down for > more than a > week whose entire business was computer based while Compaq searched > everywhere for the part according to them ...I finally found it through a > desperation plea on another list ...the client bought all new Dell Servers > two months later and I've never even considered using Compaq again ...with > Dell Servers, I can if necessary use ANY OTS component in an emergency and > it will work ...and Dell will continue to honor the rest of its warranty. > More true a few years ago and I believe this will end for Small Business Server lines (if it hasn't already) because of the HP buyout. On the higher end servers most companies use non-typical/proprietary parts - that's what makes them higher-end :o) > ...this is of course just my experience ...others evidently have reason to > see it differently :) > > William Hindman Good Luck JC. JB From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 14 15:40:16 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:40:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell References: Message-ID: <006101c3dae7$01adbe10$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...I have a number of Poweredge 2600's and have had no problem with integrating third party h/w ...I'm guessing this was a combo of a less than technically savvy end-user and Dell's old Indian tech support which was horrible on its best days, but that's just a wag of course ...as noted previously Dell has recently moved all small business/corporate support back to the states ...I used them when upgrading server memory recently and found them to be more than satisfactory. William Hindman ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Barash" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > I was just reading about Dell servers and it seems that they, too, have > begun to use proprietary parts in some of their servers. See > http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/section/Gripes . I've used Dell servers > for a few years and haven't had any complaints. Fortunatly, I haven't > had occassion to call their technical support so I can't comment there. > At my previous employer, we used Compaq servers exclusively and found > them to be reliable but hard to get replacement parts on the few > occassions where we had a hardware failure. > > James Barash From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 14 15:47:36 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:47:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell References: Message-ID: <006401c3dae8$062df990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...boy-o-boy!!! Gator!!! ...had a nightmare with an early network client in convincing him to lock down his systems after installing DSL ...until I ran Spybot and Pest Patrol on his own system after him swearing in front of his whole office that HE never would download anything like Gator ...the list was more than two pages long ...he now runs a server based Pest Patrol as well as Spybot S&D on the workstations :))))))) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell > [in line remarks] > > > > ...hhhmmm ...I wouldn't expect Dell to normally include malware in their > > support ...personally I'd always run Spybot S&D and PestPatrol among other > > diagnostics before calling any support point ...now the exception > > to that is > > that I would expect Dell Support to be aware of any recent malware/virii > > issues for which updates have not been released by > > Symantec/Spybot etc, and > > warn me of them if my symptoms point in that direction. > > > The fact that its an issue that they have to make a policy about shows that > its a major concern. Every company is dealing with it now. Most companies > advise people to use Spybot S&D, AdAware, Pest Patrol or the like. Symantec > is biting a huge bullet adding addware removal to NAV. The sent out a press > release a year or two ago that said they wouldn't do it since the EULA of > most addware states its purpose and it is thereby legal software but > apparently they rethought that. As I understand they have been sued already > by Gator. > It drives me crazy that businesses would download anything that is not of > business value but it happens every day in every customer site I have - > regardless of my advice. And, also, sorry for getting this off topic > somewhat - if someone has malware on their SERVER (its more of PC problem) > they probably deserve bad tech support ;o) > > > ...Dell driver and software updates have been consistently good and always > > appear on the Win Update site at the same time Dell makes them > > available on > > their own site which saves me a bit of time. > > Agreed > > > > > ...based upon customer complaints, Dell has now moved all of its small > > business/corporate support back to US based staff who actually > > speak English > > and can deviate from a script ...my understanding is that HP/Compaq > > continues to use their India based support but since I don't use them I > > can't verify that. > > Yes this is a major plus! > > > ...my real bitch with Compaq servers was based upon a couple > > instances where > > proprietary components simply were not available for one of their older (3 > > years) servers and when they were found, the price was simply outrageous > > ...but you paid or died ...one experience left a client down for > > more than a > > week whose entire business was computer based while Compaq searched > > everywhere for the part according to them ...I finally found it through a > > desperation plea on another list ...the client bought all new Dell Servers > > two months later and I've never even considered using Compaq again ...with > > Dell Servers, I can if necessary use ANY OTS component in an emergency and > > it will work ...and Dell will continue to honor the rest of its warranty. > > > More true a few years ago and I believe this will end for Small Business > Server lines (if it hasn't already) because of the HP buyout. On the higher > end servers most companies use non-typical/proprietary parts - that's what > makes them higher-end :o) > > > ...this is of course just my experience ...others evidently have reason to > > see it differently :) > > > > William Hindman > > Good Luck JC. > > JB > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 14 20:27:53 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:27:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Server software and CALs Message-ID: Can anyone point me to a clear, understandable read of what an OS CAL is and why I need it? IOW, I understand a CAL for SQL Server for each user, but each workstation already has Windows XP Professional installed on it, the OS is paid for, why do I need a CAL for the Server's OS? Likewise, my client is currently at about 40 employees. Would SBS 2003 Premium be a good choice. As I read it, this version comes with SQL Server. I am assuming here that the $100 / user CAL includes the rights to use SQL Server for each user? This appears to be less than just the CALs for SQL Server purchased as a separate package. What's up with that? I'm pretty confused. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jan 14 20:50:59 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:50:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Server software and CALs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40068CB3.20771.EE71AF@localhost> On 14 Jan 2004 at 21:27, John W. Colby wrote: > Can anyone point me to a clear, understandable read of what an OS CAL is and > why I need it? IOW, I understand a CAL for SQL Server for each user, but > each workstation already has Windows XP Professional installed on it, the OS > is paid for, why do I need a CAL for the Server's OS? > Because you have to pay for everything (person/device) that accesses the Server's resources. See http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx > Likewise, my client is currently at about 40 employees. Would SBS 2003 > Premium be a good choice. As I read it, this version comes with SQL Server. > I am assuming here that the $100 / user CAL includes the rights to use SQL > Server for each user? This appears to be less than just the CALs for SQL > Server purchased as a separate package. What's up with that? > As long as he won't go above 75 connections *and* won't ever want to run more than one Server, SBS is a good deal. (Speaking comparatively of course - "good" compared to other MS licencing schemes ) -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 14 21:13:44 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:13:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Compaq vs. Dell In-Reply-To: <006401c3dae8$062df990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Hey, hey, hey. Embarrassment... the best consultant. > > ...boy-o-boy!!! Gator!!! ...had a nightmare with an early network > client in > convincing him to lock down his systems after installing DSL > ...until I ran > Spybot and Pest Patrol on his own system after him swearing in > front of his > whole office that HE never would download anything like Gator ...the list > was more than two pages long ...he now runs a server based Pest Patrol as > well as Spybot S&D on the workstations :))))))) > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 15 00:51:30 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:51:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Server software and CALs References: <40068CB3.20771.EE71AF@localhost> Message-ID: <001c01c3db34$0180dab0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...I run SBS2K on all of my clients JC ...its the best bundle MS has available and you're right, SQL Server is a real deal in SBS ...I'll wait to upgrade to SBS2003 until after the first service pack is released ...however we're buying the upgrades and user cals now because MS has a time limited offer for an extra five free cals ...they're giving the 5 free cals as a peace offering because they screwed up the original install on SBS2003 so badly leaving a LOT of people stranded ...the freebie runs out on 5 Feb. ..if you're looking at an install in the next few months, you might want to consider SBS2000 instead of 2003 ...I belong to a busy SBS list and there are a large number of problems being experienced with 2003 installs even by the gurus ...otoh, SBS2K is pretty much debugged and there is a large repository of solutions available for almost every problem you might run into ...buying SBS2K and the upgrade to 2003 before Feb 5 will run you about the same money as SBS 2003 Premium alone. HTH :) William Hindman From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 13:38:31 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:38:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win2000 dual boot, but how do you edit the registry? Message-ID: <40083DB7.5090305@verizon.net> I have a PC (AMD2600 DFI NF2 Ultra (rev a)) that I attempted to upgrade to sp4 but failed miserably... I say failed, because immediatly after the install of sp4, it rebooted and that windows 2000 profile hasn't worked since. I re-installed windows2000 to a new directory w2kpro and that has booted fine, but how do I edit the registry for the first system, or better yet uninstall sp4? Thanks, -- -Francisco From shamil-users at mns.ru Sat Jan 17 16:26:42 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:26:42 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies Message-ID: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small businesses? If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead of custom hand-made solutions? I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? TIA for any info, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 17 18:03:07 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:03:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0BF@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: Still can't edit the registry. I've made a web page with information: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/frozenreg/troubleshooting.htm Please peruse to the end and see if you have anymore suggestions on how I can unfreeze my registry. Thanks, -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 18 02:50:49 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:50:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies In-Reply-To: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> References: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <781439399.20040118095049@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group ... Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? /gustav > Date: 2004-01-17 23:26 > Hi All, > Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use > them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small businesses? > If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead of > custom hand-made solutions? > I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of > Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? > TIA for any info, > Shamil > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Jan 18 03:50:04 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:50:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D125@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Kathryn Weird stuff over there.... I'm pretty used to this kind of problems but your prob is bigger than usealy and for me dificult to solve without beeing in front of the machine. 1) From your webpage I noticed you haven't checked the security rights on the registry keys. This you should check for the keys you can not delete (not the kind that come back). In W2K you can check the permissions of the registry keys only in regedt32.exe. 2) What concerns the deleted key, coming back. I had this once on a server. This was due to a registry corruption. The file was not corrupted (so defrag and chkdsk run fine) but a small part of a registry key was corrupted. I had two symptoms for this. A) I could not delete a key (altough my permissions where fine) B) I could delete a key, but it came back if I went back and forth another key. This was only true for a sub key, not the whole registry ofcourse. I managed to solved this problem this way. 1) Export the parent key (for example Office10). 2) Delete the whole parent key. 3) At this point you can edit the exported key file, to remove that ofotoscreens key. 4) Import the key. There is another important thing that saved my ass once and could very well work for you. In Windows XP the regedit (or regedt32) has registry repair functionality. The problem is getting you registry file on a XP computer. This you can do this way. 1) You need a second install of W2000 on your computer (it is best you do this on another partition). You can also put your hd temporary in another W2K computer. I'm not sure if you may put it in a XP computer directly because there are some issues with NT4 disk in a W2K pc also. Afterwards you can no longer do a chkdsk in case of NT4/W2K. So if anyone can confirm that putting a W2K disk in a XP machine causes no problems, you could go for it. Get the software registry file from winnt\system32\config from your faulty windows to the pc with XP via a network connection or memory stick or something. Do the same thing for the user.dat file from the user profile that cause the problem "documents and settings\administrator\user.dat" On the windows XP computer open regedit Go on the HKEY_USERS Click file > load component (translated from dutch) Find the USER.DAT file you copied. Load it. Name it "TEMPORARY" or something you clearly recognise. If corruptions it will repair it now and give you a warning. Stay on this key. Click on file Remove component (will unload from your xp registry and will have repaired the file on disk). Do the same for the software file. But change to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE before loading the software file. If regedit reported errors on 1 or both files you need to copy them back on your faulty machine overwriting the existing one. PLEASE MAKE A COPY OF THOSE FILES BEFORE OVERWRITING. BEST THAT YOU MAKE A COPY OF THE WHOLE CONFIG FOLDER. If you are not confortable with this procedure, DON'T DO IT. But I done it once or twice for corrupted NT4 and W2K registries and it solved the problem for both. Please note that there is a backup system for these files (the previous profile thing while you boot) but this is of no use because it is a corruption INSIDE the registry these backup files carry usealy also the corrupted keys. Please note that if the XP regedit does not report any corruptions inside the registry file it has no point of copying them back to your faulty computer. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux Still can't edit the registry. I've made a web page with information: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/frozenreg/troubleshooting.htm Please peruse to the end and see if you have anymore suggestions on how I can unfreeze my registry. Thanks, -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sun Jan 18 09:22:43 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:22:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D125@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: Erwin said: > 1) From your webpage I noticed you haven't checked the security rights > on the registry keys. > This you should check for the keys you can not delete (not the kind that > come back). > In W2K you can check the permissions of the registry keys only in > regedt32.exe. I can't remember exactly what it was that I checked (could check notes if needed), but someone had me do something in regedt32, and the result should that I *do* have security rights. He then went on to say: > 2) What concerns the deleted key, coming back. > I had this once on a server. > This was due to a registry corruption. The file was not corrupted (so > defrag and chkdsk run fine) but a small part of a registry key was > corrupted. > I had two symptoms for this. > A) I could not delete a key (altough my permissions where fine) > B) I could delete a key, but it came back if I went back and forth > another key. > This was only true for a sub key, not the whole registry ofcourse. > I managed to solved this problem this way. > 1) Export the parent key (for example Office10). > 2) Delete the whole parent key. > 3) At this point you can edit the exported key file, to remove that > ofotoscreens key. > 4) Import the key. And this sounds intriguing. I don't understand it yet - I need to ask for details on HOW I do steps 1-4. But even if that works, I'd need to find out how to test changing another area of the registry to see if it is only the one area that has a problem. Please tell me the "how" part, and hopefully by the time I get home from church there will be an answer to try. On another list were made several suggestions. > 1. I presume you've tried running Regedit in Safe Mode, though you don't > mention it. If any running program is blocking Regedit, booting into Safe > Mode should negate that. I've tried in both regular and safe mode. > 2. Do you have no registry backups? If you have, try a registry restore, > which will usually fix most minor probs. It's good to always keep a known > good registry copy. > 3. Doesn't W2000 have System Restore? Have you tried that, back to an early > date before the troubles with Regedit began? The problem is that I don't know how long it's been frozen. Before trying any type of restore, I have a couple questions. What happens in the registry regarding programs I've installed since the date of the registry I would restore? Would I have to reinstall programs? How would I know what programs that would involve? > 4. Boot with shift held down to stop startups, then use End-It-All to close > EVERYTHING else down except Explorer and Systray. This might be enuf to > free up Regedit. I'll try this after I get home from church, though I *think* I've tried that before. > 5. Run the W2000 equivalent of System File Checker. > 6. Run a Thorough Scandisk. Aren't they the same? In any case, occasionally, when booting up, it wants to check the FAT32, and I will let it run. I was told that that procedure was the 2000 equivalent of Scandisk. Is it? If so, that's been done. > 7. Reiinstall W2000 over the top. Haven't yet tried that. I've got a lot of security updates since the original installation, would they have to be done again? > 8. Reformat the system partition and reinstall anew. What I'm trying to avoid as it would take me several days to reinstall everything. > I'm assuming you're not running any so-called System Protection > utilities---these can reportedly create havoc with your system if they go > wrong, and can sometimes cause more troubles than they solve. I use McAfee for virus and the free version of ZoneAlarm. If those aren't what you mean, then I guess I'm not running any. Thanks for the leads, -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From shamil-users at mns.ru Sun Jan 18 11:43:53 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:43:53 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies References: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> <781439399.20040118095049@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> > Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. Hi Gustav, I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide... <<< no indication of cost; >>> Yes, this scares me too. > Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000 only. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies > Hi Shamil > > Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. > > Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared > by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; > typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group ... > > Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-01-17 23:26 > > > Hi All, > > > Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use > > them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small businesses? > > If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead of > > custom hand-made solutions? > > I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of > > Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? > > > TIA for any info, > > Shamil > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 18 12:31:00 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:31:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies In-Reply-To: <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> References: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> <781439399.20040118095049@cactus.dk> <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <11636250435.20040118193100@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil If you need all those features I would suggest you also had a look at Ensemble from InterSystems: http://www.intersystems.com/ensemble/index.html I attended the intro presentation here in December lead by the president of the company and was quite surprised to meet an attitude from both him and his vice president for strategic planning very much different from the strange arrogance you sometimes meet from executives ... very nice people with an open mind and quite aware that much potential business exists in the segment of smaller companies. Although no price indications were given it was understood that this product should be very competitive. I haven't had the time to look closer at Ensemble - and to be honest I'm more interested in their database engine, Cach?. However, the company has an office here lead by a bright guy; if you wish, I'm sure I can ask him to let a representative contact you - they claim to be very interested in new business and prepared to support new projects with the knowledge of value they may have. Are you able to tell about your project? It sounds like something more than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...! /gustav >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. > Hi Gustav, > I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging > Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services > Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions > Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it > looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide... > <<< > no indication of cost; >>>> > Yes, this scares me too. >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? > I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000 > only. > Shamil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies >> Hi Shamil >> >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. >> >> Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared >> by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; >> typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group ... >> >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? >> >> /gustav >> >> >> > Date: 2004-01-17 23:26 >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use >> > them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small >> > businesses? >> > If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead >> > of custom hand-made solutions? >> > I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of >> > Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? >> >> > TIA for any info, >> > Shamil >> >> > -- >> > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >> > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From artful at rogers.com Sun Jan 18 17:22:43 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:22:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't see JPGs in Explorer ThumbNails View In-Reply-To: <11636250435.20040118193100@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Is there some piece of software or add-in that I need to install to view thumbnails of JPGs in Explorer? If so, what? When I switch a folder to thumbnail view all I get for JPGs is a big box with the filename beneath it. TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Sun Jan 18 20:30:01 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:00:01 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't see JPGs in Explorer ThumbNails View Message-ID: Is the JPG extensions associated with another program? Maybe windows doesn't view the thumbnail if this is the case?? -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 9:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't see JPGs in Explorer ThumbNails View Is there some piece of software or add-in that I need to install to view thumbnails of JPGs in Explorer? If so, what? When I switch a folder to thumbnail view all I get for JPGs is a big box with the filename beneath it. TIA, Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sun Jan 18 20:50:30 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux In-Reply-To: References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D0BF@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <400AFFA6.16531.20E7982@localhost> On 17 Jan 2004 at 16:03, Kathryn Bassett wrote: > Still can't edit the registry. I've made a web page with information: > http://www.ourmailinglist.org/frozenreg/troubleshooting.htm > > Please peruse to the end and see if you have anymore suggestions on > how I can unfreeze my registry. This is a good one Kathryn. I've been following it, but I have no ideas what could be causing it. However, SysInternals has a freeware Registry monitor (Regmon) that will log all activity in the registry to a file. I have never used Regmon, but I have used quite a few of SysInternal's other freeware and they are top notch applications. Maybe it can shed some light on what's happening. Here is the link to an article describing Regmon http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/info/regboot.shtml and here is where you can get Regmon from: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/regmon.shtml The links are down at the bottom of the page, and make sure ou get the right one. Good luck!! -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal? From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Jan 19 01:29:33 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:29:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D126@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Kathryn I don't know exactly how the registry stores it data, but based on my practical experiance I supose it uses some kind of objecy approach. Therefor, you could have a key in the object that corrupted which you can't delete, but it is posisible to delete the entire object. Because when dooing this, it does not look at the keys inside of the object. Maybe something more practical. Do you have a second windows running on your computer? If not, can you put your disk in to another computer with same OS (W2K)? If so, you could make a copy of the user.dat and software file, zip these and mail or ftp me those files. I will load them in the regedit of winxp. As I already told you, in the winxp version of regedit is a automatic repair function of corrupted registry files. If it discovers problem I'm pretty certain this generates your problem. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux Erwin said: > 1) From your webpage I noticed you haven't checked the security rights > on the registry keys. > This you should check for the keys you can not delete (not the kind > that come back). > In W2K you can check the permissions of the registry keys only in > regedt32.exe. I can't remember exactly what it was that I checked (could check notes if needed), but someone had me do something in regedt32, and the result should that I *do* have security rights. He then went on to say: > 2) What concerns the deleted key, coming back. > I had this once on a server. > This was due to a registry corruption. The file was not corrupted (so > defrag and chkdsk run fine) but a small part of a registry key was > corrupted. > I had two symptoms for this. > A) I could not delete a key (altough my permissions where fine) > B) I could delete a key, but it came back if I went back and forth > another key. > This was only true for a sub key, not the whole registry ofcourse. > I managed to solved this problem this way. > 1) Export the parent key (for example Office10). > 2) Delete the whole parent key. > 3) At this point you can edit the exported key file, to remove that > ofotoscreens key. > 4) Import the key. And this sounds intriguing. I don't understand it yet - I need to ask for details on HOW I do steps 1-4. But even if that works, I'd need to find out how to test changing another area of the registry to see if it is only the one area that has a problem. Please tell me the "how" part, and hopefully by the time I get home from church there will be an answer to try. On another list were made several suggestions. > 1. I presume you've tried running Regedit in Safe Mode, though you > don't mention it. If any running program is blocking Regedit, booting > into Safe Mode should negate that. I've tried in both regular and safe mode. > 2. Do you have no registry backups? If you have, try a registry > restore, which will usually fix most minor probs. It's good to always > keep a known good registry copy. > 3. Doesn't W2000 have System Restore? Have you tried that, back to an > early date before the troubles with Regedit began? The problem is that I don't know how long it's been frozen. Before trying any type of restore, I have a couple questions. What happens in the registry regarding programs I've installed since the date of the registry I would restore? Would I have to reinstall programs? How would I know what programs that would involve? > 4. Boot with shift held down to stop startups, then use End-It-All to > close EVERYTHING else down except Explorer and Systray. This might be > enuf to free up Regedit. I'll try this after I get home from church, though I *think* I've tried that before. > 5. Run the W2000 equivalent of System File Checker. > 6. Run a Thorough Scandisk. Aren't they the same? In any case, occasionally, when booting up, it wants to check the FAT32, and I will let it run. I was told that that procedure was the 2000 equivalent of Scandisk. Is it? If so, that's been done. > 7. Reiinstall W2000 over the top. Haven't yet tried that. I've got a lot of security updates since the original installation, would they have to be done again? > 8. Reformat the system partition and reinstall anew. What I'm trying to avoid as it would take me several days to reinstall everything. > I'm assuming you're not running any so-called System Protection > utilities---these can reportedly create havoc with your system if they > go wrong, and can sometimes cause more troubles than they solve. I use McAfee for virus and the free version of ZoneAlarm. If those aren't what you mean, then I guess I'm not running any. Thanks for the leads, -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 19 10:57:48 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:57:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk> Hi all I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office programs: http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html Anyone having experience with that? /gustav From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jan 19 11:20:36 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:20:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D126@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <400C11E4.4050707@shaw.ca> One other thing that may yield clues. CREATE A BOOT LOG FOR TROUBLESHOOTING Problems that you're troubleshooting in Windows XP often originate in the boot process. As such, one of your key troubleshooting techniques should be to create a boot log. Creating such a log is a relatively easy process. Follow these steps: 1. Restart the system. 2. When the operating system begins to load, press [F8]. 3. Select the Enable Boot Logging option from the Windows Advanced menu, and press [Enter]. After the system restarts, launch Notepad, and open the C:\Windows\Ntbtlog.txt file. This file contains a list of all of the files that Windows XP attempted to load during startup. Every line in the file will begin with either "Loaded driver" or "Did not load driver," which makes it easy to determine what drivers or services could be causing the problem. In either case, the path and filename of the driver or service will follow. -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 11:25:50 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:25:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <003701c3deb1$4a48f9a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...but why would anyone pay $89 for a Linux OS that promises to run "most" Windows applications ...the promised "stability and security" is pure hype and you're REALLY locked into a proprietary OS with little chance of it being around in five years :( William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi all > > I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office > programs: > > http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html > > Anyone having experience with that? > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Mon Jan 19 12:22:35 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:22:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: No, but after having a quick look, it appears that they use CrossOver Office to get the Office compatability. CrossOver Office is a well regarded way to run Office on Linux. You can find out more about CrossOver Office at http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/ Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> gustav at cactus.dk 19-Jan-04 11:57:48 AM >>> Hi all I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office programs: http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html Anyone having experience with that? From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 14:11:32 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:11:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: Message-ID: <001f01c3dec8$6ea8fd60$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> "in our testing, we find that these applications have signifcant bugs that prevent them from running flawlessly." Crossover ...yep, gonna jump right in that well-regarded briar patch :(((( William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > No, but after having a quick look, it appears that they use CrossOver > Office to get the Office compatability. > > CrossOver Office is a well regarded way to run Office on Linux. > > You can find out more about CrossOver Office at > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/ > > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 19-Jan-04 11:57:48 AM >>> > Hi all > > I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office > programs: > > http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html > > Anyone having experience with that? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 19 14:30:26 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:30:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: <20040119203026.ODZG5447.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> > From: "William Hindman" > "in our testing, we find that these applications have signifcant bugs that > prevent them from running flawlessly." Crossover > > ...yep, gonna jump right in that well-regarded briar patch :(((( At least they are up front about the problems. Unlike our friends in Redmond. Not to mention that that quote is from a ratings system they use so you can make an informed descision on wheather it will work for you or not. Continuing on with the quote William started... "The most important aspect of a silver application is that CodeWeavers makes a firm commitment to bring all silver applications to the gold level in future releases of CrossOver, and that CodeWeavers will respond to and address all bugs reported in these applications." I wouldn't and don't run MS Office on Linux anyway. It wasn't designed for it. It was designed to run on Windows. OpenOffice was designed for Linux, so was KOffice. I'm not saying Linux is better than Windows. Nor am I saying Windows is better than Linux. I use them both, but for different purposes. What I am saying is that in the Linux community CrossOver Office is well regarded in getting Microsoft Office for WINDOWS to run on Linux. Just like in our community (AccessD and DBA in general) Access is a "real" DB not a toy one as so many contend. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! From kathryn at bassett.net Mon Jan 19 16:42:14 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux In-Reply-To: <400C11E4.4050707@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I'm using Windows 2000, not XP. But I think there is a logging function in 2000, I'll check it later. I'm a little behind in my plan to work on this as a close friend died this weekend and there are things we've had to do. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly > Sent: 19 Jan 2004 9:21:AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux > > > One other thing that may yield clues. > > CREATE A BOOT LOG FOR TROUBLESHOOTING > > Problems that you're troubleshooting in Windows XP often originate in > the boot process. As such, one of your key troubleshooting techniques > should be to create a boot log. Creating such a log is a relatively easy > process. From shamil-users at mns.ru Mon Jan 19 17:44:02 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:44:02 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies References: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> <781439399.20040118095049@cactus.dk> <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> <11636250435.20040118193100@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001f01c3dee6$1fdd5870$b501010a@PARIS> Thank you for the reference, Gustav! I looked through the info on their site - this looks too good to be true :) - I mean their post-relational DBMS Cach?: <<< Cach?, the post-relational database from InterSystems, has the features professional developers need to quickly create Web and client/server applications. Cach? benefits developers by giving them their choice of development tools, programming languages, and methods of data access. Cach? benefits transaction processing applications by providing outstanding performance, massive scalability, real-time data analytics, and robust reliability. >>> I'd prefer to stick mainly with MS software/development tools - IT-industry de-facto standard - they promise so many goodies in upcoming MS SQL 2004... <<< > Are you able to tell about your project? >>> I don't have any real projects - I'm just interested in ESB software/middleware - software integration projects based on software like FioranoESB may become a business, which even here in Russia could bring good income as opposed to software programming small business, which isn't a favoured and a good income business here... <<< It sounds like something more > than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...! >>> BTW, I'm also looking for some work to make "quickly whipped Access databases" :) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies > Hi Shamil > > If you need all those features I would suggest you also had a look at > Ensemble from InterSystems: > > http://www.intersystems.com/ensemble/index.html > > I attended the intro presentation here in December lead by the > president of the company and was quite surprised to meet an attitude > from both him and his vice president for strategic planning very much > different from the strange arrogance you sometimes meet from > executives ... very nice people with an open mind and quite aware that > much potential business exists in the segment of smaller companies. > > Although no price indications were given it was understood that this > product should be very competitive. > > I haven't had the time to look closer at Ensemble - and to be honest > I'm more interested in their database engine, Cach?. However, the > company has an office here lead by a bright guy; if you wish, I'm sure > I can ask him to let a representative contact you - they claim to be > very interested in new business and prepared to support new projects > with the knowledge of value they may have. > > Are you able to tell about your project? It sounds like something more > than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...! > > /gustav > > > >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. > > > Hi Gustav, > > > I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging > > Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services > > Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions > > Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it > > looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide... > > > <<< > > no indication of cost; > >>>> > > Yes, this scares me too. > > >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? > > I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000 > > only. > > > Shamil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies > > > >> Hi Shamil > >> > >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. > >> > >> Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared > >> by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; > >> typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group ... > >> > >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >> > >> > Date: 2004-01-17 23:26 > >> > >> > Hi All, > >> > >> > Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use > >> > them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small > >> > businesses? > >> > If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead > >> > of custom hand-made solutions? > >> > I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of > >> > Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? > >> > >> > TIA for any info, > >> > Shamil > >> > >> > -- > >> > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >> > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 18:47:30 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:47:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <20040119203026.ODZG5447.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <004701c3deee$fbc52590$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...not beating on you Bryan ...I'm just non-plussed about the "free Linux" fervor when someone offers a Linux tool to give me limited compatibility for as much or more than MS wants for real compatibility ...I don't believe in a free lunch and as far as I'm concerned, Linux just goes to prove that truism ...when I see Linux products that are better than the comparable MS product for equal money I'll start to give them some serious consideration ...but right now Linux is just a pita because every couple of months I have to go through the TOC bit with a client who's been infected by some Linux fanatic ...the real world is a sobering environment :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > From: "William Hindman" > > > "in our testing, we find that these applications have signifcant bugs that > > prevent them from running flawlessly." Crossover > > > > ...yep, gonna jump right in that well-regarded briar patch :(((( > > At least they are up front about the problems. Unlike our friends in Redmond. > > Not to mention that that quote is from a ratings system they use so you can make an informed descision on wheather it will work for you or not. > > Continuing on with the quote William started... > "The most important aspect of a silver application is that CodeWeavers makes a firm commitment to bring all silver applications to the gold level in future releases of CrossOver, and that CodeWeavers will respond to and address all bugs reported in these applications." > > I wouldn't and don't run MS Office on Linux anyway. It wasn't designed for it. It was designed to run on Windows. OpenOffice was designed for Linux, so was KOffice. > > I'm not saying Linux is better than Windows. Nor am I saying Windows is better than Linux. I use them both, but for different purposes. > What I am saying is that in the Linux community CrossOver Office is well regarded in getting Microsoft Office for WINDOWS to run on Linux. Just like in our community (AccessD and DBA in general) Access is a "real" DB not a toy one as so many contend. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 18:48:23 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:48:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux References: Message-ID: <004c01c3deef$1b869260$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...look "Dr. Watson" up in your Win2K help files. William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux > I'm using Windows 2000, not XP. But I think there is a logging function in 2000, I'll check it later. I'm a little behind in my plan to work on this as a close friend died this weekend and there are things we've had to do. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly > > Sent: 19 Jan 2004 9:21:AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Frozen Registry - redux > > > > > > One other thing that may yield clues. > > > > CREATE A BOOT LOG FOR TROUBLESHOOTING > > > > Problems that you're troubleshooting in Windows XP often originate in > > the boot process. As such, one of your key troubleshooting techniques > > should be to create a boot log. Creating such a log is a relatively easy > > process. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From artful at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 19:53:51 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:53:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies In-Reply-To: <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: Reminds me of the yacht-salesman... if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies > Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. Hi Gustav, I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide... <<< no indication of cost; >>> Yes, this scares me too. > Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000 only. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies > Hi Shamil > > Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. > > Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared > by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; > typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group ... > > Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-01-17 23:26 > > > Hi All, > > > Enterprise Service Bus seems to become a hot topic! Does anybody use > > them in real life Enterprise Integration Solutions for small businesses? > > If yes, are they really worth and mature enough to use them instead of > > custom hand-made solutions? > > I'm first of all interested in FioranoESB and related products of > > Fiorano Software, Inc. (http://www.fiorano.com) - anybody uses them? > > > TIA for any info, > > Shamil > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 02:03:44 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:03:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <003701c3deb1$4a48f9a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk> <003701c3deb1$4a48f9a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk> Hi William Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. /gustav > Date: 2004-01-19 18:25 > ...but why would anyone pay $89 for a Linux OS that promises to run "most" > Windows applications ...the promised "stability and security" is pure hype > and you're REALLY locked into a proprietary OS with little chance of it > being around in five years :( > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:57 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? >> Hi all >> >> I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office >> programs: >> >> http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html >> >> Anyone having experience with that? >> >> /gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 02:32:57 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:32:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <622506053.20040120093257@cactus.dk> Hi Bryan So Xandos comes down to a bundled, 5-click, ready-to-install package of Linux, KDE, CrossOver and OpenOffice and some more tools? /gustav > Date: 2004-01-19 19:22 > No, but after having a quick look, it appears that they use CrossOver > Office to get the Office compatability. > CrossOver Office is a well regarded way to run Office on Linux. > You can find out more about CrossOver Office at > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/ > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>>> gustav at cactus.dk 19-Jan-04 11:57:48 AM >>> > Hi all > I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office > programs: > http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html > Anyone having experience with that? From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 02:57:43 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:57:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <004701c3deee$fbc52590$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <20040119203026.ODZG5447.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <004701c3deee$fbc52590$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <33992711.20040120095743@cactus.dk> Hi William You better start upgrading your weapons William - after the announcement that IBM within the next two years will put Linux on all desktops of the corporation. /gustav > Date: 2004-01-20 01:47 > ...not beating on you Bryan ...I'm just non-plussed about the "free Linux" > fervor when someone offers a Linux tool to give me limited compatibility for > as much or more than MS wants for real compatibility ...I don't believe in a > free lunch and as far as I'm concerned, Linux just goes to prove that truism > ...when I see Linux products that are better than the comparable MS product > for equal money > I'll start to give them some serious consideration ...but right now Linux is > just a pita because every couple of months I have to go through the TOC bit > with a client who's been infected by some Linux fanatic ...the real world is > a sobering environment :) From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 03:16:28 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:16:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies In-Reply-To: <001f01c3dee6$1fdd5870$b501010a@PARIS> References: <005a01c3dd49$00429320$b501010a@PARIS> <781439399.20040118095049@cactus.dk> <001401c3ddea$a57d6490$b501010a@PARIS> <11636250435.20040118193100@cactus.dk> <001f01c3dee6$1fdd5870$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <1285117128.20040120101628@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil > Thank you for the reference, Gustav! > I looked through the info on their site - this looks too good to be true > :) - I mean their post-relational DBMS Cach?: > <<< > Cach?, the post-relational database from InterSystems, has the features > professional developers need to quickly create Web and client/server > applications. Cach? benefits developers by giving them their choice of > development tools, programming languages, and methods of data access. > Cach? benefits transaction processing applications by providing > outstanding performance, massive scalability, real-time data analytics, > and robust reliability. >>>> It _is_ very interesting indeed. I attended an introductory hands-on workshop and am only looking for some time to have a closer look. Also, at the office here, InterSystems have people who are prepared to advice you on how to obtain the best results for a given project and to run some special tests you may require. > I'd prefer to stick mainly with MS software/development tools - > IT-industry de-facto standard - they promise so many goodies in upcoming > MS SQL 2004... That is right but SQL Server has two major drawbacks: it only runs on Windows and it is very expensive, indeed for a server with "public" access from the Internet. > <<< >> Are you able to tell about your project? >>>> > I don't have any real projects - I'm just interested in ESB > software/middleware - software integration projects based on software > like FioranoESB may become a business, which even here in Russia could > bring good income as opposed to software programming small business, > which isn't a favoured and a good income business here... That may be true. I haven't thought about it that way. > <<< > It sounds like something more >> than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...! >>>> > BTW, I'm also looking for some work to make "quickly whipped Access > databases" :) OK! I'll have that in mind. /gustav > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies >> Hi Shamil >> >> If you need all those features I would suggest you also had a look at >> Ensemble from InterSystems: >> >> http://www.intersystems.com/ensemble/index.html >> >> I attended the intro presentation here in December lead by the >> president of the company and was quite surprised to meet an attitude >> from both him and his vice president for strategic planning very much >> different from the strange arrogance you sometimes meet from >> executives ... very nice people with an open mind and quite aware that >> much potential business exists in the segment of smaller companies. >> >> Although no price indications were given it was understood that this >> product should be very competitive. >> >> I haven't had the time to look closer at Ensemble - and to be honest >> I'm more interested in their database engine, Cach?. However, the >> company has an office here lead by a bright guy; if you wish, I'm sure >> I can ask him to let a representative contact you - they claim to be >> very interested in new business and prepared to support new projects >> with the knowledge of value they may have. >> >> Are you able to tell about your project? It sounds like something more >> than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...! >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. >> >> > Hi Gustav, >> >> > I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging >> > Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services >> > Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions >> > Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it >> > looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide... >> >> > <<< >> > no indication of cost; >> >>>> >> > Yes, this scares me too. >> >> >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? >> > I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000 >> > only. >> >> > Shamil >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Gustav Brock" >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies >> >> >> >> Hi Shamil >> >> >> >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ. >> >> >> >> Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared >> >> by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost; >> >> typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group > ... >> >> >> >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications? From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 20 04:26:24 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:26:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <622506053.20040120093257@cactus.dk> References: Message-ID: <400CBC00.12816.16B17C@localhost> On 20 Jan 2004 at 9:32, Gustav Brock wrote: > So Xandos comes down to a bundled, 5-click, ready-to-install package > of Linux, KDE, CrossOver and OpenOffice and some more tools? It sure looks that way, but then again I've never used it before. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I've learned.... That there's nothing sweeter than sleeping with your babies and feeling their breath on your cheeks. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Jan 20 04:36:31 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:36:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk> References: <003701c3deb1$4a48f9a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <400CBE5F.9281.1FF505@localhost> On 20 Jan 2004 at 9:03, Gustav Brock wrote: > Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. > > Date: 2004-01-19 18:25 > > > ...but why would anyone pay $89 for a Linux OS that promises to run > > "most" Windows applications ...the promised "stability and security" > > is pure hype and you're REALLY locked into a proprietary OS with > > little chance of it being around in five years :( Crap. I missed that comment. Proprietary!?! Where did THAT come from? It is an open source OS based on open standards. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix. From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 20 07:03:16 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:03:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk> <003701c3deb1$4a48f9a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...Linux is open source gustav ...Xandros wants $89 for its implementation ...Xandros either adds value via their cross-Windows code or wants me to pay for what I can otherwise get for free ...if they actually add value to justify an $89 price, who besides Xandros is supporting their implementation? ...ergo, its a proprietary implementation of Linux :( ...as for your comments re IBM, you'd best update your news source ...IBM backed WWWAAAAAAYYYY off that statement the very next day saying it was only a desired objective, had no force de jure, and no division even had such a move on the planning board ...the very next day Forrester Research released a study showing that despite the hype, its survey of corporate IT showed less than 5% of firms even had a plan to explore open source in the next five years :( ...in other words, just like with Sun's alleged conversion to Open Source, the Linux community hyped something that is at least as bad as the vapor ware we're used to from MS ...if Linux is to gain any credibility in the real world as a viable business/consumer desktop OS, it has to stop this continual spin and start delivering ...as in Open Office ...I put it on a test system a few months back and came away angry at wasting so much time on something with less functionality and far more bugs than the old MS Works :( William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi William > > Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-01-19 18:25 > > > ...but why would anyone pay $89 for a Linux OS that promises to run "most" > > Windows applications ...the promised "stability and security" is pure hype > > and you're REALLY locked into a proprietary OS with little chance of it > > being around in five years :( > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:57 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office > >> programs: > >> > >> http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html > >> > >> Anyone having experience with that? > >> > >> /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Jan 20 07:14:48 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:14:48 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: <12d.39506bfa.2d3e83c8@aol.com> They "restated" their intentions w/in the same week. What they meant to say, was that Open Source Solutions could now be included as an option for future purchases. Donna In a message dated 1/20/2004 4:18:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, gustav at cactus.dk writes: Hi William You better start upgrading your weapons William - after the announcement that IBM within the next two years will put Linux on all desktops of the corporation. /gustav From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Tue Jan 20 07:40:02 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:40:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: Here is a link to more info and some reviews of Xandros http://osnews.com/topic.php?icon=68 Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> gustav at cactus.dk 19-Jan-04 11:57:48 AM >>> Hi all I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office programs: http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html Anyone having experience with that? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 08:09:37 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:09:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk> <48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk> <001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <18522706089.20040120150937@cactus.dk> Hi William > ...Linux is open source gustav ...Xandros wants $89 for its implementation > ...Xandros either adds value via their cross-Windows code or wants me to pay > for what I can otherwise get for free ...if they actually add value to > justify an $89 price, who besides Xandros is supporting their > implementation? ...ergo, its a proprietary implementation of Linux :( Ahh, William, you know better - it's an implementation ... proprietary is a difficult word to append to Linux. > ...as for your comments re IBM, you'd best update your news source ...IBM > backed WWWAAAAAAYYYY off that statement the very next day saying it was only > a desired objective, had no force de jure, and no division even had such a > move on the planning board ...the very next day Forrester Research released > a study showing that despite the hype, its survey of corporate IT showed > less than 5% of firms even had a plan to explore open source in the next > five years :( Sorry, haven't heard of that. > ...in other words, just like with Sun's alleged conversion to Open Source, > the Linux community hyped something that is at least as bad as the vapor > ware we're used to from MS ...if Linux is to gain any credibility in the > real world as a viable business/consumer desktop OS, it has to stop this > continual spin and start delivering ...as in Open Office ...I put it on a > test system a few months back and came away angry at wasting so much time on > something with less functionality and far more bugs than the old MS Works :( It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different from those of others. /gustav >> Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 20 11:24:14 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:24:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk><48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk><001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <18522706089.20040120150937@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <005901c3df7a$39dd8990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> "It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different from those of others." gustav ...I have no drum to beat other than TCO ...I don't personally like or dislike either MS or Linux ...just use the best tool for the job ...so far I've not found a Linux implementation w/supporting apps that comes anywhere near doing what MS XP/Office Pro is capable of ...not even close re functionality ...and even further, much further, when it comes to non-geek user support requirements ...which is why I crack up every time I read some buzz head going on and on about how cool the latest Linux desktop is ...I don't need a "cool" interface, I need one that works for technically incompetent users. ...I'd love to be able to provide my clients a "free" OS and apps that did everything they need and allows me to provide extended solutions for their business ...but at $89 a pop PLUS, the "free" quickly becomes a money sink :( ...as for my use of "proprietary" I'll grant that the gnu license says its all public code ...but in reality how many people are going to support the code themselves ....maybe 0.00000000000000003% of the targeted users ...which makes implementations like this effectively proprietary from most potential user's viewpoint ...imnsho :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi William > > > ...Linux is open source gustav ...Xandros wants $89 for its implementation > > ...Xandros either adds value via their cross-Windows code or wants me to pay > > for what I can otherwise get for free ...if they actually add value to > > justify an $89 price, who besides Xandros is supporting their > > implementation? ...ergo, its a proprietary implementation of Linux :( > > Ahh, William, you know better - it's an implementation ... proprietary is > a difficult word to append to Linux. > > > ...as for your comments re IBM, you'd best update your news source ...IBM > > backed WWWAAAAAAYYYY off that statement the very next day saying it was only > > a desired objective, had no force de jure, and no division even had such a > > move on the planning board ...the very next day Forrester Research released > > a study showing that despite the hype, its survey of corporate IT showed > > less than 5% of firms even had a plan to explore open source in the next > > five years :( > > Sorry, haven't heard of that. > > > ...in other words, just like with Sun's alleged conversion to Open Source, > > the Linux community hyped something that is at least as bad as the vapor > > ware we're used to from MS ...if Linux is to gain any credibility in the > > real world as a viable business/consumer desktop OS, it has to stop this > > continual spin and start delivering ...as in Open Office ...I put it on a > > test system a few months back and came away angry at wasting so much time on > > something with less functionality and far more bugs than the old MS Works :( > > It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different > from those of others. > > /gustav > > > >> Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 20 11:48:29 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:48:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <005901c3df7a$39dd8990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk><48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk><001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <18522706089.20040120150937@cactus.dk> <005901c3df7a$39dd8990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <14135838503.20040120184829@cactus.dk> Hi William I agree with you that USD 89 is way too much. Now, let's see what Novell and Ximian ans Suse comes up with ... at least they know what needs businesses have. http://www.ximian.com /gustav > Date: 2004-01-20 18:24 > "It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different > from those of others." gustav > ...I have no drum to beat other than TCO ...I don't personally like or > dislike either MS or Linux ...just use the best tool for the job ...so far > I've not found a Linux implementation w/supporting apps that comes anywhere > near doing what MS XP/Office Pro is capable of ...not even close re > functionality ...and even further, much further, when it comes to non-geek > user support requirements ...which is why I crack up every time I read some > buzz head going on and on about how cool the latest Linux desktop is ...I > don't need a "cool" interface, I need one that works for technically > incompetent users. > ...I'd love to be able to provide my clients a "free" OS and apps that did > everything they need and allows me to provide extended solutions for their > business ...but at $89 a pop PLUS, the "free" quickly becomes a money sink > :( > ...as for my use of "proprietary" I'll grant that the gnu license says its > all public code ...but in reality how many people are going to support the > code themselves ....maybe 0.00000000000000003% of the targeted users > ...which makes implementations like this effectively proprietary from most > potential user's viewpoint ...imnsho :) From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 20 11:58:59 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:58:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk><48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk><001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><18522706089.20040120150937@cactus.dk><005901c3df7a$39dd8990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <14135838503.20040120184829@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <009801c3df7f$14899f30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they did with either Novell or Word Perfect ...good code writers, lousy business people ...so far :) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi William > > I agree with you that USD 89 is way too much. > > Now, let's see what Novell and Ximian ans Suse comes up with ... at > least they know what needs businesses have. > > http://www.ximian.com > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-01-20 18:24 > > > "It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different > > from those of others." gustav > > > ...I have no drum to beat other than TCO ...I don't personally like or > > dislike either MS or Linux ...just use the best tool for the job ...so far > > I've not found a Linux implementation w/supporting apps that comes anywhere > > near doing what MS XP/Office Pro is capable of ...not even close re > > functionality ...and even further, much further, when it comes to non-geek > > user support requirements ...which is why I crack up every time I read some > > buzz head going on and on about how cool the latest Linux desktop is ...I > > don't need a "cool" interface, I need one that works for technically > > incompetent users. > > > ...I'd love to be able to provide my clients a "free" OS and apps that did > > everything they need and allows me to provide extended solutions for their > > business ...but at $89 a pop PLUS, the "free" quickly becomes a money sink > > :( > > > ...as for my use of "proprietary" I'll grant that the gnu license says its > > all public code ...but in reality how many people are going to support the > > code themselves ....maybe 0.00000000000000003% of the targeted users > > ...which makes implementations like this effectively proprietary from most > > potential user's viewpoint ...imnsho :) > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From shamil-users at mns.ru Tue Jan 20 13:52:28 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:52:28 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <12433031306.20040119175748@cactus.dk><48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk><001c01c3df55$c50cf200$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><18522706089.20040120150937@cactus.dk><005901c3df7a$39dd8990$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><14135838503.20040120184829@cactus.dk> <009801c3df7f$14899f30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <002401c3df8e$f0b4d9c0$b501010a@PARIS> > ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they > did with either Novell or Word Perfect They weren't good enough in the past in learning their own and the others marketing mistakes: http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/ The chances they will win in the new "desktop OS battle" are low IMO... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they did with either Novell > or Word Perfect ...good code writers, lousy business people ...so far :) > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > > Hi William > > > > I agree with you that USD 89 is way too much. > > > > Now, let's see what Novell and Ximian ans Suse comes up with ... at > > least they know what needs businesses have. > > > > http://www.ximian.com > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2004-01-20 18:24 > > > > > "It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different > > > from those of others." gustav > > > > > ...I have no drum to beat other than TCO ...I don't personally like or > > > dislike either MS or Linux ...just use the best tool for the job ...so > far > > > I've not found a Linux implementation w/supporting apps that comes > anywhere > > > near doing what MS XP/Office Pro is capable of ...not even close re > > > functionality ...and even further, much further, when it comes to > non-geek > > > user support requirements ...which is why I crack up every time I read > some > > > buzz head going on and on about how cool the latest Linux desktop is > ...I > > > don't need a "cool" interface, I need one that works for technically > > > incompetent users. > > > > > ...I'd love to be able to provide my clients a "free" OS and apps that > did > > > everything they need and allows me to provide extended solutions for > their > > > business ...but at $89 a pop PLUS, the "free" quickly becomes a money > sink > > > :( > > > > > ...as for my use of "proprietary" I'll grant that the gnu license says > its > > > all public code ...but in reality how many people are going to support > the > > > code themselves ....maybe 0.00000000000000003% of the targeted users > > > ...which makes implementations like this effectively proprietary from > most > > > potential user's viewpoint ...imnsho :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Jan 21 08:19:27 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:19:27 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET Framework compact guide Message-ID: <001f01c3e029$965241c0$b501010a@PARIS> Hi All, Have anybody a compact guide for .NET Framework namespaces and classes? (Something like API-Guide www.allapi.net program but for .Net.?) Yes, I know about WebMatrix's (www.asp.net/WebMatrix) Class Browser - this is a good program and it's almost what is needed except that it doesn't have short and informative samples linked to its descriptions and that it doesn't allow to arrange the list of .NET Framework classes, methods,... in the sequence I wanted to work through them (yes, WebMatrix's Class Browser is well linked to the SDK help but this gives too much info and doesn't give good (IMO) samples)... Another question: have anybody seen a sample code to use .NET Reflection technology to go through all .NET framework .dlls and to extract the definitions of classes, methods etc. ? TIA for helpful information on subject, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 21 09:49:21 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:49:21 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A422@ALCUXB> I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last night. I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely only seeing half of the ram. I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb or so, but this is a new one on me. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Jan 21 09:59:45 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:59:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3073792A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB1C0@ADGSERVER> I'm not sure what chipset you have, but on my 815 chipset (running an 800MHz pIII), it does not support more than 3 sides of RAM. Could this be affecting you also? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:49 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last night. I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely only seeing half of the ram. I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb or so, but this is a new one on me. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 21 10:03:22 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:03:22 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A423@ALCUXB> No, it's got 4 DIMM slots, and supports up to 2gb of RAM according to the motherboard manual. One of the reasons I bought it :-) It's a VIA chipset, and I downloaded the latest 4in1 driver last night and ran that too, but it didn't make any difference. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 January 2004 16:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... I'm not sure what chipset you have, but on my 815 chipset (running an 800MHz pIII), it does not support more than 3 sides of RAM. Could this be affecting you also? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:49 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last night. I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely only seeing half of the ram. I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb or so, but this is a new one on me. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 10:10:03 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:10:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Message-ID: Sounds like it might be a problem with your motherboard perhaps..... Toms Hardware Guide had a similar issue with a similar Soyo MB (Soyo SY-6BA); "My memory tests ended disappointing: Only 256 MB were detected in case of two installed 256 MB modules, and if I used 64 MB modules I found a strange bug: 2x 64 MB lead to 64 MB usable. 3x 64 MB end in 128 MB usable. "Of course" the "big" 64 MB module didn't run as well, all the same that is no reason to worry about. http://www17.tomshardware.com/motherboard/19981109/440bx-11.html Or more likely, maybe you have the wrong memory..... http://www.soyousa.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=122 the SOYO USA support site has this question; My memory is only being recognized as half size? There are number of different memory types available in the market, some of the most popular memory types are based on 4 bit, 8 bit, 16 bit, and 32 bit design for the memory modules. SOYO motherboards (unless specified otherwise) can only recognize 8 bit memory modules. If a 4 bit memory(also known as high density memory) is placed on the board the system will only be able to recognize half the memory. for example if a 512MB high-density(4 bit) memory is placed on a board that does not support that memory. the memory will only read as 256MB. If you are experiencing such problems, please contact the memory manufacturer for the specs on your memory module to make sure it is 8 bit memory. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:49:21 -0000 > >I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last >night. >I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the >memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in >turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely >only seeing half of the ram. > >I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 >motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb >dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. > >Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb >or so, but this is a new one on me. > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jan 21 10:15:39 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:15:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A423@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A423@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <400EA5AB.2000401@verizon.net> try each ram individually, test it with memtest86, then test them in pairs... it almost sounds like a bad chip or a bad slot. :( -- -Francisco Jon Tydda wrote: >No, it's got 4 DIMM slots, and supports up to 2gb of RAM according to the >motherboard manual. One of the reasons I bought it :-) It's a VIA chipset, >and I downloaded the latest 4in1 driver last night and ran that too, but it >didn't make any difference. > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] >Sent: 21 January 2004 16:00 >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... > > >I'm not sure what chipset you have, but on my 815 chipset (running an 800MHz >pIII), it does not support more than 3 sides of RAM. Could this be >affecting you also? > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:49 AM >To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) >Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... > > >I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last night. >I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the >memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in >turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely >only seeing half of the ram. > >I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 >motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb >dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. > >Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb >or so, but this is a new one on me. > > >Jon > > > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 21 10:16:39 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:16:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A424@ALCUXB> Ah... I couldn't get into the Soyo site last night. Must've been down or something. Thanks Gary, I'll check 'em out. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2004 16:10 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Sounds like it might be a problem with your motherboard perhaps..... Toms Hardware Guide had a similar issue with a similar Soyo MB (Soyo SY-6BA); "My memory tests ended disappointing: Only 256 MB were detected in case of two installed 256 MB modules, and if I used 64 MB modules I found a strange bug: 2x 64 MB lead to 64 MB usable. 3x 64 MB end in 128 MB usable. "Of course" the "big" 64 MB module didn't run as well, all the same that is no reason to worry about. http://www17.tomshardware.com/motherboard/19981109/440bx-11.html Or more likely, maybe you have the wrong memory..... http://www.soyousa.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=122 the SOYO USA support site has this question; My memory is only being recognized as half size? There are number of different memory types available in the market, some of the most popular memory types are based on 4 bit, 8 bit, 16 bit, and 32 bit design for the memory modules. SOYO motherboards (unless specified otherwise) can only recognize 8 bit memory modules. If a 4 bit memory(also known as high density memory) is placed on the board the system will only be able to recognize half the memory. for example if a 512MB high-density(4 bit) memory is placed on a board that does not support that memory. the memory will only read as 256MB. If you are experiencing such problems, please contact the memory manufacturer for the specs on your memory module to make sure it is 8 bit memory. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:49:21 -0000 > >I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last >night. >I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the >memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in >turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely >only seeing half of the ram. > >I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 >motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb >dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. > >Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb >or so, but this is a new one on me. > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jan 21 10:17:20 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:17:20 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A425@ALCUXB> Each chip works, as does each slot, but they only report half the value... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 21 January 2004 16:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... try each ram individually, test it with memtest86, then test them in pairs... it almost sounds like a bad chip or a bad slot. :( -- -Francisco Jon Tydda wrote: >No, it's got 4 DIMM slots, and supports up to 2gb of RAM according to the >motherboard manual. One of the reasons I bought it :-) It's a VIA chipset, >and I downloaded the latest 4in1 driver last night and ran that too, but it >didn't make any difference. > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] >Sent: 21 January 2004 16:00 >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... > > >I'm not sure what chipset you have, but on my 815 chipset (running an 800MHz >pIII), it does not support more than 3 sides of RAM. Could this be >affecting you also? > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:49 AM >To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) >Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM weirdness... > > >I thought I'd treat myself and upgraded my pc with some more RAM last night. >I replaced the 512mb it had with 1gb. But the pc is only seeing half of the >memory. I checked that all the chips were working by pulling them out in >turn, and each time it reported 384mb, instead of 778mb. It's definitely >only seeing half of the ram. > >I'm running a Pentium 3 500mhz (133fsb) (Slot 1) on a Soyo SY-6vba133 >motherboard, with a 3 month old updated BIOS. I originally had 2 x 128mb >dimm, and 1 x 256mb, I now have 4 brand new 256's. > >Any ideas, cos I've never seen this before. I'm used to windows losing 1mb >or so, but this is a new one on me. > > >Jon > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 21 11:02:53 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:02:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <009801c3df7f$14899f30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Or Unix... > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:59 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they did with > either Novell > or Word Perfect ...good code writers, lousy business people ...so far :) > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Wed Jan 21 11:54:22 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:54:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Message-ID: Yea, but they did better with Unix than SCO is :-)) Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> john at winhaven.net 21-Jan-04 12:02:53 PM >>> Or Unix... > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:59 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they did with > either Novell > or Word Perfect ...good code writers, lousy business people ...so far :) > > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 21 12:08:03 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:08:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Only because Linux wasn't a big competitor at the time. :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan > Carbonnell > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:54 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > Yea, but they did better with Unix than SCO is :-)) > > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > >>> john at winhaven.net 21-Jan-04 12:02:53 PM >>> > Or Unix... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > > Hindman > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:59 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > > > > ...I sure hope Novell does better with Suse than they did with > > either Novell > > or Word Perfect ...good code writers, lousy business people ...so far > :) > > > > William Hindman > > - Next Year In The Free State! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From artful at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 17:11:22 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:11:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <48753443.20040120090344@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Who knows which way the lawsuits may fall, but SCO and Novell (especially the former) seem to have the idea that Linux is indeed proprietary, since it allegedly contains code copied directly from the Unix kernel. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Hi William Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. /gustav > Date: 2004-01-19 18:25 > ...but why would anyone pay $89 for a Linux OS that promises to run "most" > Windows applications ...the promised "stability and security" is pure hype > and you're REALLY locked into a proprietary OS with little chance of it > being around in five years :( > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:57 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? >> Hi all >> >> I noticed this Linux Desktop claims to be able to run MS Office >> programs: >> >> http://www.xandros.com/desktop_deluxe.html >> >> Anyone having experience with that? >> >> /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 From artful at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 17:17:45 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:17:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <14135838503.20040120184829@cactus.dk> Message-ID: One other name to toss into this fray is Knoppix. Boots right from the CD without the need to create partitions etc. Finds all the hardware I have on 3 different boxes. Pretty interesting effort, IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? Hi William I agree with you that USD 89 is way too much. Now, let's see what Novell and Ximian ans Suse comes up with ... at least they know what needs businesses have. http://www.ximian.com /gustav > Date: 2004-01-20 18:24 > "It seems like the results of your reviews often are quite different > from those of others." gustav > ...I have no drum to beat other than TCO ...I don't personally like or > dislike either MS or Linux ...just use the best tool for the job ...so far > I've not found a Linux implementation w/supporting apps that comes anywhere > near doing what MS XP/Office Pro is capable of ...not even close re > functionality ...and even further, much further, when it comes to non-geek > user support requirements ...which is why I crack up every time I read some > buzz head going on and on about how cool the latest Linux desktop is ...I > don't need a "cool" interface, I need one that works for technically > incompetent users. > ...I'd love to be able to provide my clients a "free" OS and apps that did > everything they need and allows me to provide extended solutions for their > business ...but at $89 a pop PLUS, the "free" quickly becomes a money sink > :( > ...as for my use of "proprietary" I'll grant that the gnu license says its > all public code ...but in reality how many people are going to support the > code themselves ....maybe 0.00000000000000003% of the targeted users > ...which makes implementations like this effectively proprietary from most > potential user's viewpoint ...imnsho :) _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 22 02:07:01 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:07:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66542429.20040122090701@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur I have seen no statements indicating Novell should have this idea. Why do you think so? /gustav > Date: 2004-01-22 00:11 > Who knows which way the lawsuits may fall, but SCO and Novell (especially > the former) seem to have the idea that Linux is indeed proprietary, since it > allegedly contains code copied directly from the Unix kernel. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi William > Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. > /gustav From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 22 10:35:47 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:35:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? References: <66542429.20040122090701@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <005001c3e105$ca3ce3a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...Novell claims it still holds the copyright to Unix which SCO claims ...I'm not aware of Novell claiming Linux is proprietary as yet ...but if the SCO claims re Linux code coming from Unix hold up in court then the Novell claims to Unix will become much more important ...as a major investor in Linux, Novell could then counter SCO's claims to copyright and make it a whole new ballgame ...rather twisted I know but that's the current status :(((( ...and just to confuse the game more, the Massachusetts AG has suggested that Microsoft's investment in SCO that financially enabled SCO to pursue their Linux claims may violate Microsoft's anti-trust settlement agreements :) ...ain't life grand? :)))) William Hindman - Next Year In The Free State! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > Hi Arthur > > I have seen no statements indicating Novell should have this idea. Why > do you think so? > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-01-22 00:11 > > > Who knows which way the lawsuits may fall, but SCO and Novell (especially > > the former) seem to have the idea that Linux is indeed proprietary, since it > > allegedly contains code copied directly from the Unix kernel. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:04 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? > > > > Hi William > > > Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. > > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 22 10:45:17 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:45:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? In-Reply-To: <005001c3e105$ca3ce3a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <005001c3e105$ca3ce3a0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <8531638303.20040122174517@cactus.dk> Hi William Oh, very delicate! Thanks. /gustav > Date: 2004-01-22 17:35 > ...Novell claims it still holds the copyright to Unix which SCO claims > ...I'm not aware of Novell claiming Linux is proprietary as yet ...but if > the SCO claims re Linux code coming from Unix hold up in court then the > Novell claims to Unix will become much more important ...as a major investor > in Linux, Novell could then counter SCO's claims to copyright and make it a > whole new ballgame ...rather twisted I know but that's the current status > :(((( > ...and just to confuse the game more, the Massachusetts AG has suggested > that Microsoft's investment in SCO that financially enabled SCO to pursue > their Linux claims may violate Microsoft's anti-trust settlement agreements > :) > ...ain't life grand? :)))) > William Hindman > - Next Year In The Free State! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:07 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? >> Hi Arthur >> >> I have seen no statements indicating Novell should have this idea. Why >> do you think so? >> >> /gustav >> >> >> > Date: 2004-01-22 00:11 >> >> > Who knows which way the lawsuits may fall, but SCO and Novell (especially >> > the former) seem to have the idea that Linux is indeed proprietary, since it >> > allegedly contains code copied directly from the Unix kernel. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:04 AM >> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Xandros running MS Office? >> >> >> > Hi William >> >> > Linux proprietary ... that was new, William. >> >> > /gustav From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 23 17:30:23 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:30:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains Message-ID: I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until you ask. TIA John From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 23 18:38:50 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:38:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think not, but don't have any experience. What I have heard is that it just doesn't understand domains, only workgroups. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:30 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until you ask. TIA John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 23 19:18:28 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:18:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40125484.5476.13C893@localhost> On 23 Jan 2004 at 17:30, John Bartow wrote: > I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active > Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? > > I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until > you ask. > No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to W2kPro. XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a peer to peer workgroup. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 24 02:57:46 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:57:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: <40125484.5476.13C893@localhost> References: <40125484.5476.13C893@localhost> Message-ID: <1821636072.20040124095746@cactus.dk> Hi Stuart and John >> I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active >> Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? >> >> I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until >> you ask. >> > No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold > laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate > networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to > W2kPro. > XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a > peer to peer workgroup. William will hate this ... but that statement is too restrictive. Using the Novell Client, XP Home logs perfectly well into a NetWare network. And as you can obtain a 5-user license for NetWare Small Business for near the media cost only, why bother with all the troubles of peer-to-peer networking? /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jan 24 08:40:47 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: <1821636072.20040124095746@cactus.dk> Message-ID: What troubles? I run a peer to peer at my home office with no problems that I'm aware of. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains Hi Stuart and John >> I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active >> Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? >> >> I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until >> you ask. >> > No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold > laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate > networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to > W2kPro. > XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a > peer to peer workgroup. William will hate this ... but that statement is too restrictive. Using the Novell Client, XP Home logs perfectly well into a NetWare network. And as you can obtain a 5-user license for NetWare Small Business for near the media cost only, why bother with all the troubles of peer-to-peer networking? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 24 09:01:28 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:01:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6623458100.20040124160128@cactus.dk> Hi John Yes, that may very well be so. However, you never for how long, neither can you clone or duplicate a setup at a new client and be sure it will work reliably. We have a long record of malfunctioning "Windows network" peer-to-peer setups which has caused all sort of problems with a majority around shared printers. I a client insists we stress that it will be on his own risc and that we neither can or will guarantee reliability of such a network appropriate for business use. Also, Windows network at least used to be set up by default with the Netbios protocol which the latest worms just love; at one occasion a client had 20 machines infected in a second when someone brought in and connected an infected laptop because the users were allowed to establish peer-to-peer connections. Security is either impossible or a nightmare to maintain on such networks. /gustav > Date: 2004-01-24 15:40 > What troubles? I run a peer to peer at my home office with no problems that > I'm aware of. > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:58 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > Hi Stuart and John >>> I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active >>> Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? >>> >>> I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does > until >>> you ask. >>> >> No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold >> laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate >> networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to >> W2kPro. >> XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a >> peer to peer workgroup. > William will hate this ... but that statement is too restrictive. > Using the Novell Client, XP Home logs perfectly well into a NetWare > network. > And as you can obtain a 5-user license for NetWare Small Business for > near the media cost only, why bother with all the troubles of > peer-to-peer networking? > /gustav From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 24 11:57:52 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:57:52 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the comments. JB > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:30 PM > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > > > I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active > Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? > > I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS > does until > you ask. > > TIA > John > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Jan 25 03:22:22 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:22:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains References: <40125484.5476.13C893@localhost> <1821636072.20040124095746@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <002701c3e324$bceafb30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> "William will hate this" gustav ...true ...William hates anything that unnecessarily complicates his life and that of his client's users :) ...as for John's question, WinXP Home is just a code crippled version of XP Pro ...i.e., the features are there but MS has just blocked basic user access to them ...fortunately, there are literally dozens of easy work-arounds to allow domain logon from a WinXP Home system ...for instance, you can use the Xteq X-Setup's Network Auto Login feature to navigate to the 'Network \ Auto Login \ Windows NT/2K/XP \ Settings' option and enter the User Name, Password, and Domain ...Xteq is imnsho the best of the freeware Windows "tweaking" utilities ...HTH :) William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > Hi Stuart and John > > >> I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active > >> Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? > >> > >> I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until > >> you ask. > >> > > No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold > > laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate > > networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to > > W2kPro. > > > XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a > > peer to peer workgroup. > > William will hate this ... but that statement is too restrictive. > Using the Novell Client, XP Home logs perfectly well into a NetWare > network. > And as you can obtain a 5-user license for NetWare Small Business for > near the media cost only, why bother with all the troubles of > peer-to-peer networking? > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sun Jan 25 03:38:06 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:38:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D15D@stekelbes.ithelps.local> For those whom use it. WinXP Home does not include a Terminal server License altough the software is present. After using TS Client from WinXP home, the TS Client reports the demo is over and you need to contact your administrator (me in this case). Purchase of 5 user packages is needed to allow WinXP home (all W9X) on a Terminal server. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains "William will hate this" gustav ...true ...William hates anything that unnecessarily complicates his life and that of his client's users :) ...as for John's question, WinXP Home is just a code crippled version of XP Pro ...i.e., the features are there but MS has just blocked basic user access to them ...fortunately, there are literally dozens of easy work-arounds to allow domain logon from a WinXP Home system ...for instance, you can use the Xteq X-Setup's Network Auto Login feature to navigate to the 'Network \ Auto Login \ Windows NT/2K/XP \ Settings' option and enter the User Name, Password, and Domain ...Xteq is imnsho the best of the freeware Windows "tweaking" utilities ...HTH :) William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > Hi Stuart and John > > >> I know that WinXP Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active > >> Directory domain but can Home Edition be used to logon to an NT4 domain? > >> > >> I would think it could since W95/98/ME can but who knows what MS does until > >> you ask. > >> > > No it can't. I've had several systems where local suppliers have sold > > laptops with XP Home to people who needed to connect to corporate > > networks running NT4 domain controllers. I've upgraded them all to > > W2kPro. > > > XP Home, doesn't understand domains at all - it can only network in a > > peer to peer workgroup. > > William will hate this ... but that statement is too restrictive. > Using the Novell Client, XP Home logs perfectly well into a NetWare > network. > And as you can obtain a 5-user license for NetWare Small Business for > near the media cost only, why bother with all the troubles of > peer-to-peer networking? > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 26 08:36:16 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:36:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: <002701c3e324$bceafb30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: William, Thanks for this suggestion. I see the option in Xteq but I don't have a copy of XP-he to try it with. Have you tried it on an NT4 domain? John > you can use the Xteq X-Setup's Network Auto Login feature to > navigate to the > 'Network \ Auto Login \ Windows NT/2K/XP \ Settings' option and enter the > User Name, Password, and Domain ...Xteq is imnsho the best of the freeware > Windows "tweaking" utilities ...HTH :) > > William Hindman From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 26 10:33:50 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:33:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains References: Message-ID: <005e01c3e42a$2e1df360$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...nope, but it works on a Win2K SBS domain. William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > William, > Thanks for this suggestion. > > I see the option in Xteq but I don't have a copy of XP-he to try it with. > Have you tried it on an NT4 domain? > > John > > > > you can use the Xteq X-Setup's Network Auto Login feature to > > navigate to the > > 'Network \ Auto Login \ Windows NT/2K/XP \ Settings' option and enter the > > User Name, Password, and Domain ...Xteq is imnsho the best of the freeware > > Windows "tweaking" utilities ...HTH :) > > > > William Hindman > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 26 10:56:02 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:56:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains In-Reply-To: <005e01c3e42a$2e1df360$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll give it a try and let you all know. John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > > > ...nope, but it works on a Win2K SBS domain. > > William Hindman > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:36 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WinXP Home Edition and NT4 domains > > > > William, > > Thanks for this suggestion. > > > > I see the option in Xteq but I don't have a copy of XP-he to > try it with. > > Have you tried it on an NT4 domain? > > > > John > > > > > > > you can use the Xteq X-Setup's Network Auto Login feature to > > > navigate to the > > > 'Network \ Auto Login \ Windows NT/2K/XP \ Settings' option and enter > the > > > User Name, Password, and Domain ...Xteq is imnsho the best of the > freeware > > > Windows "tweaking" utilities ...HTH :) > > > > > > William Hindman > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jan 28 12:16:07 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:16:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vonage Message-ID: Just an update, I just started a VPN channel to a client, started a fair size download, then called that client on my Vonage telephone. The connection was indistinguishable from a regular phone. As the file transfer finished, I closed the VPN all while talking to the client. No clicks, pops or other audible problems. I use the "behind the router" scenario such that the Vonage voice modem plugs in to my router like any other computer in my network, so I am not even using their QOS stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Jan 28 12:44:23 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:44:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or PERL References: <002701c3d6df$3c84e7e0$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF0D06.4000900@shaw.ca> <002001c3d6f2$7ac47170$b501010a@PARIS> <3FFF29DC.9000306@shaw.ca> <001501c3d936$98014fb0$b501010a@PARIS> <002f01c3d945$47dc3310$b501010a@PARIS> Message-ID: <40180307.6090100@shaw.ca> If you are still messing about with Soap have a look at this site This tool invokes the wsdl and either returns the Soap response or request http://www.soapclient.com/soaptest.html Here is a list of tools that are useful for Soap testing Includes WS-Routing, Security and interop http://www.soapclient.com/SoapTools.html Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Marty, > >I tested the script again with the latest version of NuSOAP - the >problem is with my ISP - they have blocked getSocket() function call >:(... > >Shamil > >P.S. > >Constructor error >wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available >Error >operation getPrice not present. >Request > >Response > >Debug >soapclient: instantiating wsdl class with doc: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >soapclient: wsdl debug: >wsdl: initial wsdl file: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >wsdl: getting URL http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >wsdl: transport debug data... >soap_transport_http: scheme = http >soap_transport_http: host = www.xmethods.net >soap_transport_http: path = /sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >soap_transport_http: entered send() with data of length: 0 >soap_transport_http: calling fsockopen with host www.xmethods.net >soap_transport_http: Couldn't open socket connection to server >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available > >wsdl: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection to server: >http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error (92): >Protocol not available > >soapclient: got wsdl error: HTTP ERROR: Couldn't open socket connection >to server: http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl, Error >(92): Protocol not available >soapclient: call: getPrice, Array, , , , >soapclient: endpointType: wsdl >soapclient: No data for operation: getPrice >soapclient: operation 'getPrice' not present. >soapclient: wsdl debug: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:04 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Creating WebServices using PHP (preferred) or >PERL > > > > >><<< >>The PHP would probably look something like this >> >> >>Marty, >> >>Did you try this .php script? >>I tried to use it but I didn't get it to work correctly. >>Then I made a slightly corrected version of your sample .php script: >> >>http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/phptest/soap/test.php?isbn=0060188782 >> >>>// include nuSoap.php >>require_once('./nu/nusoap.php'); >>// get parameter >>$isbn = $HTTP_GET_VARS['isbn']; >>// make parameters array for Web Service call >>$parameters = array('isbn'=>$isbn); >>// test echoing of the parameters array >>echo "Parameters:
"; >>while(list($key, $value) = each($parameters)) >>{ echo "$key = $value
";} >>// create soapclient object >>$soapclient = new soapclient( >> 'http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl', 'wsdl'); >>// call getPrice Web Service >>$result = $soapclient->call('getPrice',$parameters); >>// echo Web Service call results >>echo "
Result:
"; >>print "price=$result
"; >>?> >> >>It didn't work either :( >> >>And teh following VB.Net code with a Web Reference set to >>http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BNQuoteService.wsdl >> >>Dim wsrv As New net.xmethods.www.BNQuoteService() >>Me.txtPrice.Text = wsrv.getPrice("0060188782") >> >>works OK and returns: >>13.75 >> >>Do you think the problem is with NuSOAP.php or with the corrected .php >>script? >> >>TIA for any additional tips and tricks, >>Shamil >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "MartyConnelly" >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> > ><<< skipped for brevity >>> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 05:56:50 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:56:50 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility puzlle... Message-ID: <000801c3e65e$fce0a180$0201a8c0@PARIS> Hi All, I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) and D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility puzzle: - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at all(Linux?). And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to work (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other well) Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router or wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? TIA for any helpful info, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jan 29 06:13:21 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:13:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility puzlle... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D19F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Shamill If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's already outdated.... So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of linksys for the router. Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of them... I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the drivers included in the box. Always download and update straigtaway.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM To: dba - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility puzlle... Hi All, I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) and D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility puzzle: - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at all(Linux?). And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to work (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other well) Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router or wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? TIA for any helpful info, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 06:27:04 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:27:04 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D19F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <000801c3e663$3637c040$0201a8c0@PARIS> <<< I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the drivers included in the box. Always download and update straigtaway.... >>> Thanks, Erwin, I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? TIA for additional info, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibilitypuzlle... > Hi Shamill > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > already outdated.... > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > linksys for the router. > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > them... > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > To: dba - Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > puzlle... > > Hi All, > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) and > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > puzzle: > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > all(Linux?). > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to work > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > well) > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router or > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > TIA for any helpful info, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 29 06:52:05 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:52:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D19F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <000801c3e663$3637c040$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <003a01c3e666$b2a13d70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Shamil ...dl the firmware update to your HD first and install from there ...if at first you don't succeed, a 2nd attempt often does ...firmware upgrades have become much better over the past couple of years and I no longer hesitate to perform them. ...reset normally only resets the preferences or settings you select to the factory defaults, it won't restore the original firmware. ...I'd e the techs first to see if the firmware update even addresses the problem you're experiencing. ...and of course, hindsight has taught me not to buy any hardware not on the MS HCL ...no matter what the sales guy or manf ads say, if MS doesn't list it as certified, you're buying trouble :( William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jan 29 06:54:58 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:54:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their website. Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the driver/firmware?". Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... So... It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the electricity does not fall out at that moment... Makes our lives more exiting :-) Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... <<< I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the drivers included in the box. Always download and update straigtaway.... >>> Thanks, Erwin, I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? TIA for additional info, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibilitypuzlle... > Hi Shamill > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > already outdated.... > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > linksys for the router. > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > them... > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > To: dba - Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > puzlle... > > Hi All, > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) and > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > puzzle: > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > all(Linux?). > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to work > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > well) > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router or > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > TIA for any helpful info, > Shamil > > -- > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 07:23:38 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:23:38 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D19F@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000801c3e663$3637c040$0201a8c0@PARIS> <003a01c3e666$b2a13d70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <001401c3e66b$1df6d270$0201a8c0@PARIS> > ...and of course, hindsight has taught me not to buy any hardware not on the > MS HCL Thanks for the ifno, William, But LinkSys's WRT54G router and D-Link's DWL-520+ PIC adapter should be on MS HCL list I guess - could you please give me a hint where I can check are they on this list or not? Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Shamil > > ...dl the firmware update to your HD first and install from there ...if at > first you don't succeed, a 2nd attempt often does ...firmware upgrades have > become much better over the past couple of years and I no longer hesitate to > perform them. > > ...reset normally only resets the preferences or settings you select to the > factory defaults, it won't restore the original firmware. > > ...I'd e the techs first to see if the firmware update even addresses the > problem you're experiencing. > > ...and of course, hindsight has taught me not to buy any hardware not on the > MS HCL ...no matter what the sales guy or manf ads say, if MS doesn't list > it as certified, you're buying trouble :( > > William Hindman > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > <<< > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > >>> > > Thanks, Erwin, > > > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > > > TIA for additional info, > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > > already outdated.... > > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > > linksys for the router. > > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > > them... > > > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > > drivers included in the box. > > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > > Salakhetdinov > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > > To: dba - Tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > > puzlle... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > > and > > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > > puzzle: > > > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > > all(Linux?). > > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > > work > > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > > well) > > > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > > or > > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > > Shamil > > > > > > -- > > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 07:57:11 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:57:11 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A1@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <001c01c3e66f$d01fd010$0201a8c0@PARIS> > Makes our lives more exiting :-) Yes, Erwin, it does! :) I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even is absent. (...five minutes later...) I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works now!... But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) (...five minutes later...) I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... ...you will not believe - it works very well now! Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school homework! Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? Thanks a lot to everybody! Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their > website. > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > driver/firmware?". > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > So... > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 29 08:08:59 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:08:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... In-Reply-To: <001c01c3e66f$d01fd010$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: Congrats on getting the wireless working. I installed mine at my house and (after downloading all the firmware), all works very well. I get a very useable signal at the other end of my house, ~50 feet and a floor difference. OTOH, I installed the same system at my Sister-in-law's house in Rochester and she is having a terrible time, though come to think of it I didn't update the firmware (I was in a BIG hurry). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) Yes, Erwin, it does! :) I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even is absent. (...five minutes later...) I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works now!... But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) (...five minutes later...) I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... ...you will not believe - it works very well now! Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school homework! Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? Thanks a lot to everybody! Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their > website. > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > driver/firmware?". > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > So... > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jan 29 08:32:09 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:32:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A4@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Great to hear it works... About that distance, welcome to the club of disapointed people... My Wireless router (SMC) says 70 to 80 meter inside... At 10 meter I have intermittend connection.... Some say thoses distances are only for typical (wooden) American homes and not for European/Russia brick/concreet homes. I recently read a test of multiple wireless routers and it seems most of the manufactors are saying way to much in there specs. Typical distance and bandwith are much to high on paper than in real live. For example the encryption is such laugh.. The encryption itself is fine, but the processor of the router is not powefull enough to support much pc's/traffic. If I synchronise music files over wireless my router hangs after sending a couple of 100MB. Just warm/overheated.. And there is only 1 computer sending data. But for the rest it is great to sit in my sofa with my laptop on my lap... Working in my bedroom is not posible (11 meters is one meter to much), but hey who wants to work in his bedroom? Thats no place to be hot and sweaty :-) Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) Yes, Erwin, it does! :) I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even is absent. (...five minutes later...) I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works now!... But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) (...five minutes later...) I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... ...you will not believe - it works very well now! Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school homework! Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? Thanks a lot to everybody! Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their > website. > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > driver/firmware?". > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > So... > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jan 29 08:40:19 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:40:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A5@stekelbes.ithelps.local> There is other issue concerning the distance... DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere with Wifi 2.4 GHz. So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can be limited. You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise I could not get passed 6 meters... Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) Yes, Erwin, it does! :) I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even is absent. (...five minutes later...) I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works now!... But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) (...five minutes later...) I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... ...you will not believe - it works very well now! Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school homework! Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? Thanks a lot to everybody! Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their > website. > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > driver/firmware?". > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > So... > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jan 29 08:58:53 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:58:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A5@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: I use channel 11. Seems to work without inteference from my phones. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:40 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... There is other issue concerning the distance... DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere with Wifi 2.4 GHz. So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can be limited. You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise I could not get passed 6 meters... Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) Yes, Erwin, it does! :) I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even is absent. (...five minutes later...) I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works now!... But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) (...five minutes later...) I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... ...you will not believe - it works very well now! Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school homework! Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? Thanks a lot to everybody! Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on their > website. > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > driver/firmware?". > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > So... > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > <<< > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > drivers included in the box. > Always download and update straigtaway.... > >>> > Thanks, Erwin, > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - I > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > TIA for additional info, > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > already outdated.... > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website of > > linksys for the router. > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > them... > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > To: dba - Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ incompatibility > > puzlle... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > and > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've installed > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > puzzle: > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to any > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > all(Linux?). > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > work > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each other > > well) > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G router > or > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > Shamil > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 09:18:20 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:18:20 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A5@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <001601c3e67c$281d2e00$0201a8c0@PARIS> > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: - Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; - Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't know what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without walls. Although with elongated aerial it works well. I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try them if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... Thanks for your help! Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can > be limited. > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... > > Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:57 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G > andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > Yes, Erwin, it does! :) > I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't > show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes > later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) > > Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see > each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even > is absent. > > (...five minutes later...) > > I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works > now!... > > But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! > > The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at > ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the > Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into > the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 > cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and > Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) > > (...five minutes later...) > > I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from > the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... > > ...you will not believe - it works very well now! > > Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! > > Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children > wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school > homework! > > Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go > occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? > > Thanks a lot to everybody! > Shamil :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and > D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on > their > > website. > > > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > > driver/firmware?". > > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > > So... > > > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > <<< > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > >>> > > Thanks, Erwin, > > > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - > I > > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > > > TIA for additional info, > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > > already outdated.... > > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website > of > > > linksys for the router. > > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > > them... > > > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install > the > > > drivers included in the box. > > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > > Salakhetdinov > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > > To: dba - Tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibility > > > puzlle... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > > and > > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've > installed > > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > > puzzle: > > > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to > any > > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > > all(Linux?). > > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > > work > > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each > other > > > well) > > > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G > router > > or > > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > > Shamil > > > > > > -- > > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 09:25:37 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:25:37 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: Message-ID: <001701c3e67c$28404660$0201a8c0@PARIS> > Congrats on getting the wireless working. Thanks, John! These congrats are more to my son who has got at last wireless connection to the Internet! (he didn't have any except 28800 bps modem, which worked badly with XP, I don't know why) I was hurrying because he has his birthday anniversary in two days and he waited too long for his father to get him wired to the Internet (his PC is much better than mine for quite some time already). Shamil :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > Congrats on getting the wireless working. I installed mine at my house and > (after downloading all the firmware), all works very well. I get a very > useable signal at the other end of my house, ~50 feet and a floor > difference. OTOH, I installed the same system at my Sister-in-law's house > in Rochester and she is having a terrible time, though come to think of it I > didn't update the firmware (I was in a BIG hurry). > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:57 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G > andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > Yes, Erwin, it does! :) > I've just done firmware upgrade for WRT54G - when it works it doesn't > show well its progress and I even thought it went stuck but two minutes > later I've got relaxing "Firmware upgrade succeeded" message :) > > Well, it looks like it works better now and the router and the card see > each other but card's drivers says that the signal is very bad or even > is absent. > > (...five minutes later...) > > I did bring computer near to the router - 4 meters from it - it works > now!... > > But they say it should work well on a distance of 100m from the router! > > The PC with the wireless card and the router are planned to install at > ~10m from each other and they will be separated by three walls of the > Soviet concrete - maybe they (builders) put some plumbum not iron into > the concrete walls? :) (the walls aren't that thick - I guess 15-20 > cm) - is that just an incompatibility of Soviet/Russian concrete and > Chinese/Tainwanian hardware? :) > > (...five minutes later...) > > I brought PC with wireless network card back to the room separated from > the router by three walls of concrete with the help of my son... > > ...you will not believe - it works very well now! > > Problem (automagically) solved. Thanks to everybody! > > Now, I can work peacefully without constant interruption of my children > wanting to browse Internet to get the stuff for their high school/school > homework! > > Additionally, I think I have to set up something for them to not go > occasionally to XXX sites - what can you recommend? > > Thanks a lot to everybody! > Shamil :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and > D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Depends on the manufactor / product if you can backup. > > Useulay you can or you can find a previous version of firmware on > their > > website. > > > > Eitherway, I have put my head down whats concerns updates/firmware. > > If you ask support the first thing they say is "did you update the > > driver/firmware?". > > Some companies refuse to give you support before dooing that... > > So... > > > > It is probably a firmware problem, go for it and update it... > > Hold your breath for those 1 or 2 minutes firmware update, that the > > electricity does not fall out at that moment... > > Makes our lives more exiting :-) > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > <<< > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install the > > drivers included in the box. > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > >>> > > Thanks, Erwin, > > > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G router - > I > > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > > > TIA for additional info, > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, it's > > > already outdated.... > > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website > of > > > linksys for the router. > > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > > them... > > > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install > the > > > drivers included in the box. > > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > > Salakhetdinov > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > > To: dba - Tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibility > > > puzlle... > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in China) > > and > > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've > installed > > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following incompatibility > > > puzzle: > > > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to > any > > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I guess > > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > > all(Linux?). > > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > > work > > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each > other > > > well) > > > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G > router > > or > > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > > Shamil > > > > > > -- > > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jan 29 09:32:36 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:32:36 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzl le... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A4D4@ALCUXB> I've got a Netgear ME102 Wireless router and Netgear MA112 cards and they work fine - 90%+ signal in the room with the two pc's, and the laptop works fine with the LinkSys wireless card... I appreciate that my house probably isn't as big as some American ones, but the laptop works fine next door too... But I happen to know that both my neighbours are completely computer illterate, so I don't have to worry about that too much. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] Sent: 29 January 2004 15:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: - Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; - Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't know what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without walls. Although with elongated aerial it works well. I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try them if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... Thanks for your help! Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can > be limited. > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... > > Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... > > Erwin The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jan 29 09:47:34 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:47:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I live in a crowded student neighbourhood... I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:33 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... I've got a Netgear ME102 Wireless router and Netgear MA112 cards and they work fine - 90%+ signal in the room with the two pc's, and the laptop works fine with the LinkSys wireless card... I appreciate that my house probably isn't as big as some American ones, but the laptop works fine next door too... But I happen to know that both my neighbours are completely computer illterate, so I don't have to worry about that too much. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] Sent: 29 January 2004 15:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: - Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; - Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't know what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without walls. Although with elongated aerial it works well. I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try them if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... Thanks for your help! Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > There is other issue concerning the distance... > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do interfere > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can > be limited. > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that otherwise > I could not get passed 6 meters... > > Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... > > Erwin The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 10:24:44 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:24:44 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <002301c3e684$6935f040$0201a8c0@PARIS> > I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... These tries can be logged if I activate the log feature of the router? (I have nobody here I may expect to do that in the near future but better to be protected/secured in advance ) BTW, what about a firewall in the router - I mean mainly the fatures of opening/closing certain IP ports - I didn't see this feature yet in the docs of my router - is that usually present these days with hardware/firmware like that? (all the other security/firewall features like MAC/IP-addresses filtering etc. - these are present - I still to read about them and activate if needed...) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > I live in a crowded student neighbourhood... > I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:33 PM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys > WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > I've got a Netgear ME102 Wireless router and Netgear MA112 cards and > they work fine - 90%+ signal in the room with the two pc's, and the > laptop works fine with the LinkSys wireless card... I appreciate that my > house probably isn't as big as some American ones, but the laptop works > fine next door too... But I happen to know that both my neighbours are > completely computer illterate, so I don't have to worry about that too > much. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] > Sent: 29 January 2004 15:18 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys > WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > There is other issue concerning the distance... > > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do > interfere > > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: > > - Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; > - Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't know > what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without walls. > Although with elongated aerial it works well. > > I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... > > > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that > otherwise > > I could not get passed 6 meters... > Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try them > if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good > enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... > > Thanks for your help! > > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys > WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > There is other issue concerning the distance... > > DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do > interfere > > with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > > So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance can > > be limited. > > You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that > otherwise > > I could not get passed 6 meters... > > > > Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... > > > > Erwin > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Jan 29 13:31:02 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:31:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <002301c3e684$6935f040$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <40195F76.5030507@shaw.ca> One other thing to do, is improve your wireless aerial or extend it. Maybe get your son to build a couple. There are a lot of methods on the net. Ahh Pringles is manufacturer of potato chips, they come stacked in a aluminized carboard can. "Hacking with a Pringles tube" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1860241.stm Antenna on the Cheap (er, Chip) . Building Instructions. Component parts are about $10. http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 Or look up Bill Wiecking on the net he put in a large school wireless net on hawaii a few years back You would be suprised at the distances you can get line of sight, 30 km over open water however things like wet foliage, snow or fog can limit distance. Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >>I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... >> >> >These tries can be logged if I activate the log feature of the router? >(I have nobody here I may expect to do that in the near future but >better to be protected/secured in advance ) > >BTW, what about a firewall in the router - I mean mainly the fatures of >opening/closing certain IP ports - I didn't see this feature yet in the >docs of my router - is that usually present these days with >hardware/firmware like that? (all the other security/firewall features >like MAC/IP-addresses filtering etc. - these are present - I still to >read about them and activate if needed...) > >Shamil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:47 PM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] >LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > >>I live in a crowded student neighbourhood... >>I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:33 PM >>To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... >> >>I've got a Netgear ME102 Wireless router and Netgear MA112 cards and >>they work fine - 90%+ signal in the room with the two pc's, and the >>laptop works fine with the LinkSys wireless card... I appreciate that >> >> >my > > >>house probably isn't as big as some American ones, but the laptop >> >> >works > > >>fine next door too... But I happen to know that both my neighbours are >>completely computer illterate, so I don't have to worry about that too >>much. >> >> >>Jon >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] >>Sent: 29 January 2004 15:18 >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... >> >> >> >> >>>There is other issue concerning the distance... >>>DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do >>> >>> >>interfere >> >> >>>with Wifi 2.4 GHz. >>> >>> >>I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: >> >>- Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; >>- Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't >> >> >know > > >>what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without >> >> >walls. > > >>Although with elongated aerial it works well. >> >>I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... >> >> >> >>>You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that >>> >>> >>otherwise >> >> >>>I could not get passed 6 meters... >>> >>> >>Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try >> >> >them > > >>if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good >>enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... >> >>Thanks for your help! >> >> >>Shamil >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... >> >> >> >> >>>There is other issue concerning the distance... >>>DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do >>> >>> >>interfere >> >> >>>with Wifi 2.4 GHz. >>>So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance >>> >>> >can > > >>>be limited. >>>You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that >>> >>> >>otherwise >> >> >>>I could not get passed 6 meters... >>> >>>Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... >>> >>>Erwin >>> >>> >>The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >>privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are >> >> >subject > > >>to the legal notice available on request from : >>webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >>ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >>Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 >> >> >1BZ. > > >>Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil-users at mns.ru Thu Jan 29 15:16:46 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:16:46 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1A7@stekelbes.ithelps.local> <002301c3e684$6935f040$0201a8c0@PARIS> <40195F76.5030507@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000901c3e6ad$396e5a90$0201a8c0@PARIS> Thanks for your tips&tricks, Marty! > You would be suprised at the distances you can get line of sight, 30 km > over open water however Good! Then it looks like I can even get it working well on 400m distance from my flat! And this is a beach of the Finnish gulf and a good park near to my house and only one concrete wall between outside area and the router - so summer time I may try to work directly in the park/on the beach! :) When I get rich enough to rent/purchase a yacht I will be able to busk the nearby elbowrooms of the Finnish Gulf and still be connected to the Internet via my home router! :) Just kidding... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > One other thing to do, is improve your wireless aerial or extend it. > Maybe get your son to build a couple. There are a lot of methods on the net. > > Ahh Pringles is manufacturer of potato chips, they come stacked in a > aluminized carboard can. > "Hacking with a Pringles tube" > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1860241.stm > > Antenna on the Cheap (er, Chip) . Building Instructions. Component parts > are about $10. > http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 > Or look up Bill Wiecking on the net he put in a large school wireless > net on hawaii a few years back > > You would be suprised at the distances you can get line of sight, 30 km > over open water however > things like wet foliage, snow or fog can limit distance. > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >>I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... > >> > >> > >These tries can be logged if I activate the log feature of the router? > >(I have nobody here I may expect to do that in the near future but > >better to be protected/secured in advance ) > > > >BTW, what about a firewall in the router - I mean mainly the fatures of > >opening/closing certain IP ports - I didn't see this feature yet in the > >docs of my router - is that usually present these days with > >hardware/firmware like that? (all the other security/firewall features > >like MAC/IP-addresses filtering etc. - these are present - I still to > >read about them and activate if needed...) > > > >Shamil > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:47 PM > >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] > >LinksysWRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > > > >>I live in a crowded student neighbourhood... > >>I see regulary some pc's tryiing to connect to my WiFi... > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > >>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:33 PM > >>To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys > >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > >> > >>I've got a Netgear ME102 Wireless router and Netgear MA112 cards and > >>they work fine - 90%+ signal in the room with the two pc's, and the > >>laptop works fine with the LinkSys wireless card... I appreciate that > >> > >> > >my > > > > > >>house probably isn't as big as some American ones, but the laptop > >> > >> > >works > > > > > >>fine next door too... But I happen to know that both my neighbours are > >>completely computer illterate, so I don't have to worry about that too > >>much. > >> > >> > >>Jon > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil-users at mns.ru] > >>Sent: 29 January 2004 15:18 > >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys > >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>There is other issue concerning the distance... > >>>DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do > >>> > >>> > >>interfere > >> > >> > >>>with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > >>> > >>> > >>I've two several years old but still in use wireless phones: > >> > >>- Panasonic One Touch KXTC1410 900Mhz (made in Mexico) - works well; > >>- Panasonic Super Range KXTC1019-RUB (made in Malaysia) - I don't > >> > >> > >know > > > > > >>what radio waves frequency it uses - it works badly even without > >> > >> > >walls. > > > > > >>Although with elongated aerial it works well. > >> > >>I think they shouldn't interfere with harware working of 2.4Ghz... > >> > >> > >> > >>>You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that > >>> > >>> > >>otherwise > >> > >> > >>>I could not get passed 6 meters... > >>> > >>> > >>Yes, I've seen there are other (10) channels available - I will try > >> > >> > >them > > > > > >>if the connection on the default 6th channel will degrade - it's good > >>enough now to stop experimenting and return to my programming work... > >> > >>Thanks for your help! > >> > >> > >>Shamil > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >> > >>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:40 PM > >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys > >>WRT54GandD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>There is other issue concerning the distance... > >>>DECT wireless phones work on the same frequencyrange. They do > >>> > >>> > >>interfere > >> > >> > >>>with Wifi 2.4 GHz. > >>>So if you got neighbours or yourself with DECT phones the distance > >>> > >>> > >can > > > > > >>>be limited. > >>>You can try to use another channel on your router. I done that > >>> > >>> > >>otherwise > >> > >> > >>>I could not get passed 6 meters... > >>> > >>>Same thing for Bluetooth, but less because less transmit power.... > >>> > >>>Erwin > >>> > >>> > >>The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > >>privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > >> > >> > >subject > > > > > >>to the legal notice available on request from : > >>webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > >>ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > >>Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 > >> > >> > >1BZ. > > > > > >>Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 29 18:14:50 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:14:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D19F@stekelbes.ithelps.local><000801c3e663$3637c040$0201a8c0@PARIS><003a01c3e666$b2a13d70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <001401c3e66b$1df6d270$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <009c01c3e6c6$139c2860$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...glad to see your firmware upgrade worked :) ...for your future needs the HCL can be found here http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx :) William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G andD-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > ...and of course, hindsight has taught me not to buy any hardware not > on the > > MS HCL > Thanks for the ifno, William, > > But LinkSys's WRT54G router and D-Link's DWL-520+ PIC adapter should be > on MS HCL list I guess - could you please give me a hint where I can > check are they on this list or not? > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hindman" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and > D-LinkDWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > Shamil > > > > ...dl the firmware update to your HD first and install from there > ...if at > > first you don't succeed, a 2nd attempt often does ...firmware upgrades > have > > become much better over the past couple of years and I no longer > hesitate to > > perform them. > > > > ...reset normally only resets the preferences or settings you select > to the > > factory defaults, it won't restore the original firmware. > > > > ...I'd e the techs first to see if the firmware update even addresses > the > > problem you're experiencing. > > > > ...and of course, hindsight has taught me not to buy any hardware not > on the > > MS HCL ...no matter what the sales guy or manf ads say, if MS doesn't > list > > it as certified, you're buying trouble :( > > > > William Hindman > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, > > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link > > DWL-520+incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > <<< > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install > the > > > drivers included in the box. > > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > >>> > > > Thanks, Erwin, > > > > > > I've downloaded and installed drivers for D-Link for WinXP. > > > But I didn't yet download install latest firmware for WRT54G > router - I > > > must say I'm a kind of "paranoid" to update firmware - as far as > > > understad this process can't be interrupted? If I get it interrupted > > > then I will get the device completely broken? Or using reset button > > > (well hidden/protected on back siide) I will be able to restore > > > (outdated) firmare and then try again to upgrade it? > > > > > > TIA for additional info, > > > Shamil > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:13 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > > > incompatibilitypuzlle... > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shamill > > > > > > > > > > > > If you buy a computerdevice thats has soft or firmware with it, > it's > > > > already outdated.... > > > > So first check if there a firmware update available on the website > of > > > > linksys for the router. > > > > Also check if any firmware/driver update available for your card. > > > > > > > > And try again if you updated. Is probably a bug in one or both of > > > > them... > > > > > > > > I'm so paranoid/experianced since a year or 4 that I never install > the > > > > drivers included in the box. > > > > Always download and update straigtaway.... > > > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > > > Salakhetdinov > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:57 PM > > > > To: dba - Tech > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linksys WRT54G and D-Link DWL-520+ > incompatibility > > > > puzlle... > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I've got Lynksys WRT54G Wireless-G Broandband router (made in > China) > > > and > > > > D-Link DWL-520+ wireless network card (made in Taiwan), I've > installed > > > > all that stuff and I've got stuck with the following > incompatibility > > > > puzzle: > > > > > > > > - when I just SWITCH ON a PC with D-Link DWL-520+ card the WRT64G > > > > router's Internet connection breaks and router stops to respond to > any > > > > attempts to start its administration program (192.168.1.1) - I > guess > > > > responsible for Internet connection firmware stops working at > > > > all(Linux?). > > > > And the part of router responsible for LAN connections continue to > > > work > > > > (i.e. PCs connected to the router via "twisted-pairs" see each > other > > > > well) > > > > > > > > Any thoughts how to solve this puzlle - should I change WRT54G > router > > > or > > > > wireless DWL-520+ network card or both? > > > > > > > > TIA for any helpful info, > > > > Shamil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > > > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 04:19:24 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:19:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] OT: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: <20040130070811.68143.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040130070811.68143.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401A2FAC.9060809@verizon.net> Plain and simple, you don't the faked' microsoft emails are viruses... i'd not open those if I were you... lastly if you hookinto thes inboxes via an email client such as hotmail popper for hotmail then a nice program like thunderbird or some other 3rd party program, you'll find that you'll almost never see these emails again :) hths. btw, I cc'ed the tech list as this thread can potentially outgrow itself... :) -- -Francisco Sad Der wrote: > Hi group, > > approx 2 weeks ago I saw that my mailbox for my > AccessD-list mail was full. I then saw that I had only > a 'couple' (100+) e-mails in it. I checked my Bulk > folder and it was full with 'microsoft' updates. They > all came from e-mail like: > > qweerejkks at yahoo.com > 2q323312 at yahoo.com > etc. > > I receive these mails every day. They keep comming in > until my mailbox is completely full. > I tried blocking the mailadresses, but since they > change every day that didn't work. > I tried blocking the 'domain' www.yahoo.com, that also > didn't work. > I tried to unsubscribe from the mails, no info about > that in the mails > I checked my Microsoft account, Yahoo account for any > subscriptions and i canceled them all. > Result? The mails keep coming in! > > How do I get rid of these mails? > > TIA!! > > Sander > From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Fri Jan 30 07:13:43 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! Message-ID: > 1) NEVER open these emails, especially if they are from other than a > microsoft.com address - and that is no guarantee, as the sending address can > be spoofed. If you have an e-mail client that does NOT automatically download images and crap from the internet or run scripts, like Pegasus Mail, you are safe in opening the e-mails. *Not* the attachments but the e-mails. The problem lies with web bugs, javascript and the like that should NOT be in e-mails in the first place. :) > 2) NEVER use the "opt out" links included in these emails. All that does is > validate to the sender that your email address is valid, and they will send > you even more. Can't argue with that. > 3) Invest in a "spam-blocker" software program; there are many reasonably > good ones out there, and they are often free or at least low priced. > Personally, I have been using "iHateSpam", and it works quite well (cost is > about $15 ??). Why pay for one? There are two excelent ones that are free that I know of K9 - http://www.keir.net/k9.html (the one I use) POPFile - http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> rbgajewski at adelphia.net 30-Jan-04 6:51:37 AM >>> Suggestions: 1) NEVER open these emails, especially if they are from other than a microsoft.com address - and that is no guarantee, as the sending address can be spoofed. 2) NEVER use the "opt out" links included in these emails. All that does is validate to the sender that your email address is valid, and they will send you even more. 3) Invest in a "spam-blocker" software program; there are many reasonably good ones out there, and they are often free or at least low priced. Personally, I have been using "iHateSpam", and it works quite well (cost is about $15 ??). Good Luck! Bob Gajewski -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 02:08 To: Acces User Group Subject: [AccessD] OT: Cannot get rid of spam! Hi group, approx 2 weeks ago I saw that my mailbox for my AccessD-list mail was full. I then saw that I had only a 'couple' (100+) e-mails in it. I checked my Bulk folder and it was full with 'microsoft' updates. They all came from e-mail like: qweerejkks at yahoo.com 2q323312 at yahoo.com etc. I receive these mails every day. They keep comming in until my mailbox is completely full. I tried blocking the mailadresses, but since they change every day that didn't work. I tried blocking the 'domain' www.yahoo.com, that also didn't work. I tried to unsubscribe from the mails, no info about that in the mails I checked my Microsoft account, Yahoo account for any subscriptions and i canceled them all. Result? The mails keep coming in! How do I get rid of these mails? TIA!! Sander __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 30 07:42:52 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:42:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> On 30 Jan 2004 at 8:13, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > 1) NEVER open these emails, especially if they are from other than a > > microsoft.com address - and that is no guarantee, as the sending > address can > > be spoofed. > > If you have an e-mail client that does NOT automatically download > images and crap from the internet or run scripts, like Pegasus Mail, you > are safe in opening the e-mails. *Not* the attachments but the e-mails. > The problem lies with web bugs, javascript and the like that should NOT > be in e-mails in the first place. :) > Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what they get ! > > > 3) Invest in a "spam-blocker" software program; there are many > reasonably > > good ones out there, and they are often free or at least low priced. > > Personally, I have been using "iHateSpam", and it works quite well > (cost is > > about $15 ??). > > Why pay for one? There are two excelent ones that are free that I know > of > K9 - http://www.keir.net/k9.html (the one I use) > POPFile - http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ > Again - Absolutely - K9 has saved me an incrtedibleamount of grief over the last wwek with myDoom. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jan 30 08:01:27 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> Message-ID: >Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what they get ! This is just a ludicrous statement. MY CLIENT uses what they think is best, and I have to deal with that. You may love pegasus mail, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best choice for every person / business in the world. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! On 30 Jan 2004 at 8:13, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > 1) NEVER open these emails, especially if they are from other than a > > microsoft.com address - and that is no guarantee, as the sending > address can > > be spoofed. > > If you have an e-mail client that does NOT automatically download > images and crap from the internet or run scripts, like Pegasus Mail, you > are safe in opening the e-mails. *Not* the attachments but the e-mails. > The problem lies with web bugs, javascript and the like that should NOT > be in e-mails in the first place. :) > Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what they get ! > > > 3) Invest in a "spam-blocker" software program; there are many > reasonably > > good ones out there, and they are often free or at least low priced. > > Personally, I have been using "iHateSpam", and it works quite well > (cost is > > about $15 ??). > > Why pay for one? There are two excelent ones that are free that I know > of > K9 - http://www.keir.net/k9.html (the one I use) > POPFile - http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ > Again - Absolutely - K9 has saved me an incrtedibleamount of grief over the last wwek with myDoom. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Jan 30 08:10:15 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:10:15 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A4E5@ALCUXB> Somone I saw recently set up another 'Inbox' and created rules to only allow people in his address book to have messages forwarded to the new inbox - and he didn't read the other inbox at all, except for maybe once a week to make sure that his contacts and rules were working properly. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 30 January 2004 14:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! >Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what they get ! This is just a ludicrous statement. MY CLIENT uses what they think is best, and I have to deal with that. You may love pegasus mail, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best choice for every person / business in the world. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! On 30 Jan 2004 at 8:13, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > 1) NEVER open these emails, especially if they are from other than a > > microsoft.com address - and that is no guarantee, as the sending > address can > > be spoofed. > > If you have an e-mail client that does NOT automatically download > images and crap from the internet or run scripts, like Pegasus Mail, you > are safe in opening the e-mails. *Not* the attachments but the e-mails. > The problem lies with web bugs, javascript and the like that should NOT > be in e-mails in the first place. :) > Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what they get ! > > > 3) Invest in a "spam-blocker" software program; there are many > reasonably > > good ones out there, and they are often free or at least low priced. > > Personally, I have been using "iHateSpam", and it works quite well > (cost is > > about $15 ??). > > Why pay for one? There are two excelent ones that are free that I know > of > K9 - http://www.keir.net/k9.html (the one I use) > POPFile - http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ > Again - Absolutely - K9 has saved me an incrtedibleamount of grief over the last wwek with myDoom. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 30 08:17:21 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:17:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Mail licensing issue Message-ID: I am trying to compile a list of costs involved to purchase a new server for a client. One part of it is to list costs that should have been paid with the old server. For instance; they should have been paying for NT server client access licenses (CALs). They use Microsoft Mail and IIRC there are some licensing requirements to do this that aren't actually enforced by the server (similar to CALS). Is this correct? JB From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 10:33:44 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:33:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> References: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> Message-ID: <401A8768.4090903@verizon.net> That's not really accurate, the statement ought to read... Anyone STILL using Outlook or Outlook Express deserves what they get.. especially if they don't have an active a/v software or firewall (software/hardware) I used OE for a long time dispite it's flaws because I found it to a convenient place to go to get my hotmail and other pop/imap email at one place instead of hunting for various email clients. I discovred hotmail popper which allows you to hook you hotmail account as if it was a pop account. Since then I've been using the Mozilla Thunderbird client (.5a) beta.. it is sweet, neat features, fast, no bloat, and no worries when one of these viruses or spam come thorugh -- -Francisco Stuart McLachlan wrote: >Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves >what they get ! > > From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 10:36:09 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:36:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401A87F9.2040203@verizon.net> I don t' like to incur extra costs for my clients either. The bottom line is they want to save as much as possible, but if they are going to ask me a question about email, I will not hold any reservations that MS LookOut (Outlook) is a buggy horrible application. -- -Francisco John W. Colby wrote: >>Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves what >> >> >they get ! > >This is just a ludicrous statement. MY CLIENT uses what they think is best, >and I have to deal with that. You may love pegasus mail, but that doesn't >necessarily make it the best choice for every person / business in the >world. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > From shamil-users at mns.ru Fri Jan 30 12:36:11 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:36:11 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! References: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> <401A8768.4090903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001001c3e75f$f160d3f0$0201a8c0@PARIS> Francisco, Following your advice I installed Mozilla Thunderbird to my son's PC and I've got this problem: Sending of message failed. Unable to open the temporary file C:\DOCUME~1\\TEMP\nsmail.html. Check your "Temporary Directory" settings. Here is a picture with this message box: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/pages/problem.jpg I tried to find any description how to solve it but failed - did I look in wrong places? Well, as far as I can guess the problem is with cyrillic chars - I tried to find is there any way to assign in Options a temp dir, which name will include only latin chars but I didn't find such option. When they say "Temporary Directory" they probably mean Windows settings... What for in needed this nsmail.html? How to solve this problem? - help and google didn't answer on this question.... TIA, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! > That's not really accurate, the statement ought to read... Anyone STILL using Outlook or Outlook Express deserves what they get.. especially if they don't have an active a/v software or firewall (software/hardware) > > I used OE for a long time dispite it's flaws because I found it to a convenient place to go to get my hotmail and other pop/imap email at one place instead of hunting for various email clients. > > I discovred hotmail popper which allows you to hook you hotmail account as if it was a pop account. Since then I've been using the Mozilla Thunderbird client (.5a) beta.. it is sweet, neat features, fast, no bloat, and no worries when one of these viruses or spam come thorugh > -- > -Francisco > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > >Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves > >what they get ! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 13:05:33 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:05:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! In-Reply-To: <001001c3e75f$f160d3f0$0201a8c0@PARIS> References: <401AEBFC.25587.368E7BE@localhost> <401A8768.4090903@verizon.net> <001001c3e75f$f160d3f0$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <401AAAFD.1080504@verizon.net> I'm currently running Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20040112). Which version are you running? It could be a problem w/ it. navigate here to get a fresh copy http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/2004-01-28-trunk/thunderbird-win32.zip it's just a zip file so you can literally extract it into any folder and run it. but first blow out the profile that was created ... to get there you'll want to navigate here: navigate through the documents and settings to your applications folder usually found in this manner : C:\Documents and Settings\ftapia\Application Data\Thunderbird I'm assuming you haven't really used the application and that it bombed out just as of now... I've not had this specific issue you are reporting, other have had diffrent types of issues with something that seems simillar... do a search in this forumn http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=31&sid=8912733244ea53eb32cdc64974e20501 I didn't find your specific error tho, but i only did a quick search... If you need more help... drop me a msg in Instant Messenger, and we can walk through it :) -- -Francisco Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Francisco, > >Following your advice I installed Mozilla Thunderbird to my son's PC and >I've got this problem: > >Sending of message failed. >Unable to open the temporary file C:\DOCUME~1\chars here - they are shown incorrectly in the >message>\TEMP\nsmail.html. >Check your "Temporary Directory" settings. > >Here is a picture with this message box: >http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/pages/problem.jpg > >I tried to find any description how to solve it but failed - did I look >in wrong places? > >Well, as far as I can guess the problem is with cyrillic chars - I tried >to find is there any way to assign in Options a temp dir, which name >will include only latin chars but I didn't find such option. When they >say "Temporary Directory" they probably mean Windows settings... > >What for in needed this nsmail.html? >How to solve this problem? - help and google didn't answer on this >question.... > >TIA, >Shamil > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Francisco H Tapia" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:33 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: Cannot get rid of spam! > > > > >>That's not really accurate, the statement ought to read... Anyone >> >> >STILL using Outlook or Outlook Express deserves what they get.. >especially if they don't have an active a/v software or firewall >(software/hardware) > > >>I used OE for a long time dispite it's flaws because I found it to a >> >> >convenient place to go to get my hotmail and other pop/imap email at one >place instead of hunting for various email clients. > > >>I discovred hotmail popper which allows you to hook you hotmail >> >> >account as if it was a pop account. Since then I've been using the >Mozilla Thunderbird client (.5a) beta.. it is sweet, neat features, >fast, no bloat, and no worries when one of these viruses or spam come >thorugh > > >>-- >>-Francisco >> >> >>Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >> >> >>>Absolutely - Anyone using anything other than Pegasus Mail deserves >>>what they get ! >>> >>> >>> >>> From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 30 20:01:49 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:01:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? Message-ID: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/musictest3.shtml If I click on the graphic, it plays the music. But if I click on the text link, I get this error: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/midierror.jpg Here's what I get from the WMP help file: 0xC00D1197: Cannot play the file Windows Media Player cannot play the file. You may encounter this error message for one of the following reasons: 1) Your computer is not connected to the local area network (LAN) or to the Internet. Connect to the network or Internet, and then try again. 2) The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) in the Open URL dialog box, ensure that the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, the link may not be valid. 3) The server is down or busy. Try again later. 4) Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. 5) The proxy server settings for the Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then try again. To enable all network protocols On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. In the Streaming protocols area, select all the protocol check boxes. To verify your proxy server settings On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. Verify your settings in the Streaming proxy settings area. Note If you do not know what your proxy server settings should be, on the Network tab, select a protocol, click Configure, and then select Autodetect proxy settings or Use proxy settings of the Web browser (available for HTTP protocol only). Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Condition ID = 0x00000000 1) Hmm, I'm connected, so that's not it. 2) The path is valid as I get the same error if I go to http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/ and click on the bumblebee.mid file 3) Not applicable, see 1) 4) All the boxes have checkmarks 5) I tried both Autodetect and Use proxy settings Ideas anyone? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Fri Jan 30 21:58:11 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:58:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? References: Message-ID: <401B27D3.3040505@shaw.ca> Works okay for me in WinXP IE and Netscape but my player defaults to QuickTime (most recently installed player) Kathryn Bassett wrote: >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/musictest3.shtml > >If I click on the graphic, it plays the music. But if I click on the text link, I get this error: >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/midierror.jpg > >Here's what I get from the WMP help file: >0xC00D1197: Cannot play the file >Windows Media Player cannot play the file. You may encounter this error message for one of the following reasons: >1) Your computer is not connected to the local area network (LAN) or to the Internet. Connect to the network or Internet, and then try again. >2) The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) in the Open URL dialog box, ensure that the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, the link may not be valid. >3) The server is down or busy. Try again later. >4) Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. >5) The proxy server settings for the Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then try again. >To enable all network protocols >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. >In the Streaming protocols area, select all the protocol check boxes. >To verify your proxy server settings >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. >Verify your settings in the Streaming proxy settings area. > Note >If you do not know what your proxy server settings should be, on the Network tab, select a protocol, click Configure, and then select Autodetect proxy settings or Use proxy settings of the Web browser (available for HTTP protocol only). >Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Condition ID = 0x00000000 > >1) Hmm, I'm connected, so that's not it. >2) The path is valid as I get the same error if I go to >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/ >and click on the bumblebee.mid file >3) Not applicable, see 1) >4) All the boxes have checkmarks >5) I tried both Autodetect and Use proxy settings > >Ideas anyone? > > >-- >Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) >"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" >kathryn at bassett.net >http://bassett.net > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 30 22:27:25 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:27:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? References: <401B27D3.3040505@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <022901c3e7b2$87723670$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...and I w/WXP and IE6 w/MS Media Player ...are you sure your Win media player is set to play midi files (the file extension is .mid)? ...or have you used real player or quicktime recently and then deleted or moved them ...the graphic uses your browser audio but the text link looks for your default midi file player which it may not be finding ...HTH :) William Hindman Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? > Works okay for me in WinXP IE and Netscape but my player defaults to > QuickTime (most recently installed player) > > Kathryn Bassett wrote: > > >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/musictest3.shtml > > > >If I click on the graphic, it plays the music. But if I click on the text link, I get this error: > >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/midierror.jpg > > > >Here's what I get from the WMP help file: > >0xC00D1197: Cannot play the file > >Windows Media Player cannot play the file. You may encounter this error message for one of the following reasons: > >1) Your computer is not connected to the local area network (LAN) or to the Internet. Connect to the network or Internet, and then try again. > >2) The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) in the Open URL dialog box, ensure that the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, the link may not be valid. > >3) The server is down or busy. Try again later. > >4) Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. > >5) The proxy server settings for the Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then try again. > >To enable all network protocols > >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. > >In the Streaming protocols area, select all the protocol check boxes. > >To verify your proxy server settings > >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. > >Verify your settings in the Streaming proxy settings area. > > Note > >If you do not know what your proxy server settings should be, on the Network tab, select a protocol, click Configure, and then select Autodetect proxy settings or Use proxy settings of the Web browser (available for HTTP protocol only). > >Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Condition ID = 0x00000000 > > > >1) Hmm, I'm connected, so that's not it. > >2) The path is valid as I get the same error if I go to > >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/ > >and click on the bumblebee.mid file > >3) Not applicable, see 1) > >4) All the boxes have checkmarks > >5) I tried both Autodetect and Use proxy settings > > > >Ideas anyone? > > > > > >-- > >Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > >"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > >kathryn at bassett.net > >http://bassett.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sat Jan 31 03:44:16 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:44:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1B4@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Try to dowload (save instead of open) the file on your disk and play it from there. Your firewall soft or even virusscanner could block the file. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens MartyConnelly Verzonden: zaterdag 31 januari 2004 4:58 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? Works okay for me in WinXP IE and Netscape but my player defaults to QuickTime (most recently installed player) Kathryn Bassett wrote: >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/musictest3.shtml > >If I click on the graphic, it plays the music. But if I click on the text link, I get this error: >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/midierror.jpg > >Here's what I get from the WMP help file: >0xC00D1197: Cannot play the file >Windows Media Player cannot play the file. You may encounter this error message for one of the following reasons: >1) Your computer is not connected to the local area network (LAN) or to the Internet. Connect to the network or Internet, and then try again. >2) The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) in the Open URL dialog box, ensure that the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, the link may not be valid. >3) The server is down or busy. Try again later. >4) Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. >5) The proxy server settings for the Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then try again. >To enable all network protocols >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. >In the Streaming protocols area, select all the protocol check boxes. >To verify your proxy server settings >On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. >Verify your settings in the Streaming proxy settings area. > Note >If you do not know what your proxy server settings should be, on the Network tab, select a protocol, click Configure, and then select Autodetect proxy settings or Use proxy settings of the Web browser (available for HTTP protocol only). >Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Condition ID = 0x00000000 > >1) Hmm, I'm connected, so that's not it. >2) The path is valid as I get the same error if I go to >http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/ >and click on the bumblebee.mid file >3) Not applicable, see 1) >4) All the boxes have checkmarks >5) I tried both Autodetect and Use proxy settings > >Ideas anyone? > > >-- >Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my >soap" >kathryn at bassett.net >http://bassett.net > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Sat Jan 31 03:47:11 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:47:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1B5@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Aha The first plays with quicktime. The second WMP. I'm not sure but I believe there is an option in WMP that forbids internet access... However, saving the file to disk, should enable to play the music. Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Kathryn Bassett Verzonden: zaterdag 31 januari 2004 3:02 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/musictest3.shtml If I click on the graphic, it plays the music. But if I click on the text link, I get this error: http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/midierror.jpg Here's what I get from the WMP help file: 0xC00D1197: Cannot play the file Windows Media Player cannot play the file. You may encounter this error message for one of the following reasons: 1) Your computer is not connected to the local area network (LAN) or to the Internet. Connect to the network or Internet, and then try again. 2) The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) in the Open URL dialog box, ensure that the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, the link may not be valid. 3) The server is down or busy. Try again later. 4) Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. 5) The proxy server settings for the Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then try again. To enable all network protocols On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. In the Streaming protocols area, select all the protocol check boxes. To verify your proxy server settings On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Network tab. Verify your settings in the Streaming proxy settings area. Note If you do not know what your proxy server settings should be, on the Network tab, select a protocol, click Configure, and then select Autodetect proxy settings or Use proxy settings of the Web browser (available for HTTP protocol only). Error ID = 0xC00D1197, Condition ID = 0x00000000 1) Hmm, I'm connected, so that's not it. 2) The path is valid as I get the same error if I go to http://www.ourmailinglist.org/misc/musictest/ and click on the bumblebee.mid file 3) Not applicable, see 1) 4) All the boxes have checkmarks 5) I tried both Autodetect and Use proxy settings Ideas anyone? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 31 19:22:39 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:22:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03D1B5@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: But I don't *want* to download everything I try to play while surfing the web. I had no problem with playing things before I updated to WMP9 - WMP8 worked fine. Guess it's time to do some screen captures of what all the settings are. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - > IT Helps > Sent: 31 Jan 2004 1:47:AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Why won't my WMP won't play music? > > > Aha > The first plays with quicktime. > The second WMP. I'm not sure but I believe there is an option in WMP > that forbids internet access... > However, saving the file to disk, should enable to play the music. > > Erwin