[dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies

Hi Shamil

> Thank you for the reference, Gustav!

> I looked through the info on their site - this looks too good to be true
> :)  - I mean their post-relational DBMS Cach?:

> <<<
> Cach?, the post-relational database from InterSystems, has the features
> professional developers need to quickly create Web and client/server
> applications. Cach? benefits developers by giving them their choice of
> development tools, programming languages, and methods of data access.
> Cach? benefits transaction processing applications by providing
> outstanding performance, massive scalability, real-time data analytics,
> and robust reliability.
>>>>

It _is_ very interesting indeed. I attended an introductory hands-on
workshop and am only looking for some time to have a closer look.
Also, at the office here, InterSystems have people who are prepared to
advice you on how to obtain the best results for a given project and
to run some special tests you may require.

> I'd prefer to stick mainly with MS software/development tools -
> IT-industry de-facto standard - they promise so many goodies in upcoming
> MS SQL 2004...

That is right but SQL Server has two major drawbacks: it only runs on
Windows and it is very expensive, indeed for a server with "public"
access from the Internet.

> <<<
>> Are you able to tell about your project?
>>>>
> I don't have any real projects - I'm just interested in ESB
> software/middleware - software integration projects based on software
> like FioranoESB may become a business, which even here in Russia could
> bring good income as opposed to software programming small business,
> which isn't a favoured and a good income business here...

That may be true. I haven't thought about it that way.

> <<<
> It sounds like something more
>> than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...!
>>>>
> BTW, I'm also looking for some work to make "quickly whipped Access
> databases" :)

OK! I'll have that in mind.

/gustav


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies


>> Hi Shamil
>>
>> If you need all those features I would suggest you also had a look at
>> Ensemble from InterSystems:
>>
>>   http://www.intersystems.com/ensemble/index.html
>>
>> I attended the intro presentation here in December lead by the
>> president of the company and was quite surprised to meet an attitude
>> from both him and his vice president for strategic planning very much
>> different from the strange arrogance you sometimes meet from
>> executives ... very nice people with an open mind and quite aware that
>> much potential business exists in the segment of smaller companies.
>>
>> Although no price indications were given it was understood that this
>> product should be very competitive.
>>
>> I haven't had the time to look closer at Ensemble - and to be honest
>> I'm more interested in their database engine, Cach?. However, the
>> company has an office here lead by a bright guy; if you wish, I'm sure
>> I can ask him to let a representative contact you - they claim to be
>> very interested in new business and prepared to support new projects
>> with the knowledge of value they may have.
>>
>> Are you able to tell about your project? It sounds like something more
>> than a quickly whipped "Access database" ...!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ.
>>
>> > Hi Gustav,
>>
>> > I think it looks like more than a "scaled up MQ"/Powerful Messaging
>> > Middleware - this is also a Data Transformation Service, Web Services
>> > Orchestration, Data Replication Service, Distributed Transactions
>> > Coordinator of heterogeneous DBMSs and file systems etc.... - IMO, it
>> > looks very good in their white-papers and evaluation guide...
>>
>> > <<<
>> > no indication of cost;
>> >>>>
>> > Yes, this scares me too.
>>
>> >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications?
>> > I did program distributed applications with MS Access 2.0 and 97/2000
>> > only.
>>
>> > Shamil
>>
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
>> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:50 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ESB tools and technologies
>>
>>
>> >> Hi Shamil
>> >>
>> >> Never heard of FioranoESB but it looks like a scaled-up MQ.
>> >>
>> >> Whether it is "worth" dealing with depends. I'm always a little scared
>> >> by sites stating "Enterprise" all over but no indication of cost;
>> >> typically that doesn't signal small businesses as a target group
> ...
>> >>
>> >> Didn't you develop your own solution for distributed applications?