From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 1 04:47:50 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:47:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB3F@ALCUXB> Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of extra features, and is more stable than before. So I tried to install it on my pc at home, and a box pops up and says "Install cannot run because you are running McAfee Security Centre. Please disable this before running setup again". So hang on, you want me to uninstall my virus scanner to install a firewall? I'm not using McAfee firewall cos it's awful... what's interfering? So I read the text on the website - in their infinite wisdom, Zonelabds have added a virus scanner to their firewall. Well that makes sense. Surely more people have a virus scanner and no firewall than have a firewall and no virus scanner... are they going to release weekly updates like Symantec and McAfee do? I looked at the "help" pages... so far, their only solution is to uninstall your virus scanner, install the firewall and disable the virus scan bit, then install your virus scanner again. I suppose you'd have to do this every time they released a new version of the firewall, probably 7 times a year or so. I don't know about the other AV systems, but when you install McAfee, it downloads every update in order from the one included on the cd, and installs them. At the moment, this takes 45 minutes, even with a DSL connection. That's a hassle I don't want to be doing more than once a year at most. So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jun 1 05:34:44 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:34:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB3F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <40BCE864.16635.7DD14FF@localhost> On 1 Jun 2004 at 10:47, Jon Tydda wrote: > Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed > it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of > extra features, and is more stable than before. > .....' > > So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the > other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought > the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful > bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include > AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some > money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. > Yep, there was a warning about it on the Langalist the other day. The bottom line was: " .... and there are other letters too. In short, if you have a copy of ZA 4x, hang on to it. At the very least, the 5x version seems not ready for prime time; and it may simply have become too big, too complex, and too unwieldy for its own--- or our--- good." -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Jun 1 14:41:33 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:41:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium 4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. I'm looking at the Dell catalog. Any other things to look out for? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Tue Jun 1 15:14:33 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:14:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives more bang for the laptop buck, though. PB. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software To: dba-tech Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium 4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. I'm looking at the Dell catalog. Any other things to look out for? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jun 1 16:00:39 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:00:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> Message-ID: <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives more bang for the laptop buck, though. PB. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software To: dba-tech Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium 4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. I'm looking at the Dell catalog. Any other things to look out for? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 1 16:14:45 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:14:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? - Development work - DVD viewing - a lot of wireless work - Play video games - etc... The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card is going to waste... know what I mean? Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Brawley" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > >PB. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > To: dba-tech > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > Any other things to look out for? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- -Francisco From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jun 1 16:57:14 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:57:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb><002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001001c44823$669013b0$0200a8c0@upstairs> yeah true... but it's very nice, and at the top if my shopping list when I win the lottery :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? - Development work - DVD viewing - a lot of wireless work - Play video games - etc... The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card is going to waste... know what I mean? Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Brawley" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > >PB. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > To: dba-tech > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > Any other things to look out for? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Tue Jun 1 17:37:37 2004 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:37:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <00aa01c44829$09f50c90$3500a8c0@dabsight> Totally different. "Mobile Intel Pentium 4" uses the Pentium 4M processor, a Pentium 4 modified to make it more suitable for laptops (eg SpeedStep to save battery power), whereas the Pentium M is a different design aimed at laptops in the first place. Pentium M uses far less power, and is normally packaged in a "Centrino" laptop. My daughter's runs for about five hours without recharging, and nicely covers the 3 to 4 hours of use in the field for processing a day's geophysics survey data - NOT just word processing! To work out comparative processing power in GHz, multiply the Centrino's by about 1.5 to get a figure to compare with Pentium 4, so a 1.6 GHz Pentium M equates roughly to a 2.4 GHz P4. That's only the processor of course: laptop disks are slower than desktops. For greatest processing power, get a laptop with a P4 desktop chip. But don't plan on using it for very long on battery power! And mind you don't fry your 'lap' with its heat!! Interestingly, Intel appear to have dropped their P4 90nm future plans, possibly because they have turned out to be no cooler than P4 130nm. They are apparently going to exploit the Pentium M on the desktop instead. Go figure. (I forget timescales - maybe a year from now?) HTH a bit John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: 01 June 2004 20:42 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile > Intel Pentium 4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > Any other things to look out for? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Jun 1 19:45:26 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:45:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 In-Reply-To: <40BCE864.16635.7DD14FF@localhost> Message-ID: <200406020045.i520jdhZ022531@mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net> Free version gives same "error". I disabled McAfee, installed, turn back on McAfee, and have had no further problem. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 01 Jun 2004 3:35 am > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 > > On 1 Jun 2004 at 10:47, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having > > installed it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, > it's great - > > got loads of extra features, and is more stable than before. > > > .....' > > > > So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, > although > > the other versions don't offer all the other features of > the firewall > > - I bought the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and > all sorts > > of other useful bits, which the others don't come with. So because > > they decided to include AV, all the customers get screwed > over. Does > > downgrading mean I'll get some money back from the licence > I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. > > > > Yep, there was a warning about it on the Langalist the other > day. The bottom line was: > " > .... and there are other letters too. In short, if you have a > copy of ZA 4x, hang on to it. At the very least, the 5x > version seems not ready for prime time; and it may simply > have become too big, too complex, and too unwieldy for its > own--- or our--- good." > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software > Development,System Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 2 16:21:46 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [] Going to Raid - Win2K In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BE44EA.9080500@verizon.net> Raid is an awesome way to keep a hotbackup. although I still firmly believe in data backups.. but not as a straight backup but as a Ghosted image. Ghost is an awesome tool and you can backup directly to CD or DVD nowadays. As for partitioning a drive, it makes good sense to partition a drive because you can limit the amount of fragmentation to the a partion. thus the OS partition would be fast to defrag whereas your data partition would take more time. But for ghosting purposes you'd want to ghost / image out the ENTIRE HDD or at least both partitions at the same time (one backup session). On my system I have a highpoint controller IIRC, I'm not currently using it for it's raid capacities but does allow for either extending capacity (a gigantic drive) or a mirrored drive, iirc, you should still be able to partition this out via windows down to individual partitions. If you own partition magic, then you maybe able to do this w/o having to re-install everything... Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote On 6/1/2004 9:41 PM: >Hi John: > >It is not that I do not believe in partitions it is I have not seen or >witnessed any advantage to breaking up a drive. With indexing on, the file >access is just as fast, if a drive crashes all partitions are lost, anyway >and if data or program files out grow their petitioned area, it's out with >the 'Partition magic'. Then there is also the very real possibility of >corrupting a partition. > >IMHO, you might as well have been just using directories. Use the old DOS >substitute command or just map a directory tree to another local drive >letter. > >My two cents worth >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:33 PM >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > >Just an update, I ordered 2 80g hard drives to set up raid on my server >system disk. That system has a raid controller on the motherboard. It >was relatively painless, taking a mere 6-8 hours to figure out and >implement. > >The Highpoint Rocketraid on the other hand... I almost RMAd, and >probably should have done so. Following their instructions I managed to >get the system in a state where it was an array but couldn't write the >mirror, the software wouldn't allow any choice but "write the mirror" or >continue booting. I couldn't undo and start over. I had an existing >120g hard drive with all my software installed, broken into partitions. >I commonly create a system partition of 30-40g and then one or more >partitions for my work stuff, and I wanted to just mirror that drive. > >NEVER DID. I have to guess it was the partitions but since the software >had NO help files, no error codes, nothing on the web for help, no user >groups, etc... In the end I just formatted and started over, where I >managed to set up the mirror as I was doing the install, but I ended up >with a single large partition, which I hate. > >Would I buy the controller again, or recommend it? Nope. It is >functioning, but not on my terms. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:44 AM >To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD >Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > >Folks, > >About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard drive bit >the dust. I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying around and a >160g drive. I had intended to just replace it with a 160g but quickly >discovered that Win2K doesn't natively support large hard disks until >you get SP3 or better installed and manually edit the registry. Thus >the old 40g to get >Windows up, then the 160g set up. That 40g drive failed this week. In >both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost. Backups simply aren't the >end all and be all in a case like this because of all the programs and >individualized settings for each program - the registry etc. > >What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was roughly >2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of Raid 1. I >have decided not to go through that again. I am now researching a Raid >1 solution (simple mirror) using a pair of Maxtor 120g drives. This >gives me 40g for the system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev >stuff, web dev etc. > >My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) is a >Highpoint RocketRaid 133. In order to get back up before the weekend I >went down to Staples and plunked down the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g >8mb buffer hard disk. My intention at this point is to order a matching >drive and the raid controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, >set up the mirror. I have a couple of questions though for anyone who >may have experience in this. > >1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed Win2K Pro, >Office and other programs. Once I get the controller, can I just unplug >this disk from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid controller, plug >the matching drive in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"? I.e. >the new drive gets the exact same partitions (there are three of them) >created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored? > >2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again? > >3) Is there anything I need to know? I just want it to work - I am not >a >(trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO. > >The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my installed >software and development stuff never again die because a disk dies. I >have found and read a bunch of articles on raid in general but can't >find any detailed information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, >and specifically with this controller. I assume the documentation with >the controller will tell me most of what I need to know, but of >course.... what can go wrong will. > >Any comments or suggestions appreciated. > >John W. Colby > > -- -Francisco From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Wed Jun 2 19:22:56 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:52:56 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: I steer clear of Zonelarm, due to issues such as this and the fact that older versions don't fully 'uninstall' and leave crap in the registry. Been using Sygate Persoanl Firewall for years without any problems (free): http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2004 8:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 On 1 Jun 2004 at 10:47, Jon Tydda wrote: > Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed > it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of > extra features, and is more stable than before. > .....' > > So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the > other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought > the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful > bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include > AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some > money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. > Yep, there was a warning about it on the Langalist the other day. The bottom line was: " .... and there are other letters too. In short, if you have a copy of ZA 4x, hang on to it. At the very least, the 5x version seems not ready for prime time; and it may simply have become too big, too complex, and too unwieldy for its own--- or our--- good." -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. 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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 03:30:26 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:30:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB54@ALCUXB> I've never had a problem with it before, so was quite disappointed to find out last night that even if I disabled McAfee it wouldn't let me install - it wants it removed from the system :-( Jon -----Original Message----- From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] Sent: 03 June 2004 01:23 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 I steer clear of Zonelarm, due to issues such as this and the fact that older versions don't fully 'uninstall' and leave crap in the registry. Been using Sygate Persoanl Firewall for years without any problems (free): http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2004 8:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 On 1 Jun 2004 at 10:47, Jon Tydda wrote: > Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed > it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of > extra features, and is more stable than before. > .....' > > So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the > other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought > the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful > bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include > AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some > money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. > Yep, there was a warning about it on the Langalist the other day. The bottom line was: " .... and there are other letters too. In short, if you have a copy of ZA 4x, hang on to it. At the very least, the 5x version seems not ready for prime time; and it may simply have become too big, too complex, and too unwieldy for its own--- or our--- good." -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. 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Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jun 3 06:07:05 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:07:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: Hope this helps everyone out... Mark http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/zass/generalFAQs.jsp 1. I'm having trouble with version 5.0. What should I do? A. Compatibility with McAfee Security Center Overview During the recent update of ZoneAlarm 5.0 and ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0, some customers alerted us that they were receiving an incompatibility message that prevented installation when McAfee Antivirus was also present on the PC. In response, we temporarily halted updates to our new 5.0 products while we addressed this issue. Solution We have identified the issue as an erroneous incompatibility message triggered by the McAfee Security Center , a standalone console that ships with all McAfee security products to inform users of their security status. We have created updated versions of our products to address this issue so that users will be able to install the 5.0 products on machines where McAfee antivirus is installed. The updated versions of ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro are available at the following download links. We sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. ZoneAlarm 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zadownload ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zapdownload -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:48 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of extra features, and is more stable than before. So I tried to install it on my pc at home, and a box pops up and says "Install cannot run because you are running McAfee Security Centre. Please disable this before running setup again". So hang on, you want me to uninstall my virus scanner to install a firewall? I'm not using McAfee firewall cos it's awful... what's interfering? So I read the text on the website - in their infinite wisdom, Zonelabds have added a virus scanner to their firewall. Well that makes sense. Surely more people have a virus scanner and no firewall than have a firewall and no virus scanner... are they going to release weekly updates like Symantec and McAfee do? I looked at the "help" pages... so far, their only solution is to uninstall your virus scanner, install the firewall and disable the virus scan bit, then install your virus scanner again. I suppose you'd have to do this every time they released a new version of the firewall, probably 7 times a year or so. I don't know about the other AV systems, but when you install McAfee, it downloads every update in order from the one included on the cd, and installs them. At the moment, this takes 45 minutes, even with a DSL connection. That's a hassle I don't want to be doing more than once a year at most. So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 06:09:01 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:09:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5A@ALCUXB> Fantastic, thanks Mark Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 12:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Hope this helps everyone out... Mark http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/zass/generalFAQs.jsp 1. I'm having trouble with version 5.0. What should I do? A. Compatibility with McAfee Security Center Overview During the recent update of ZoneAlarm 5.0 and ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0, some customers alerted us that they were receiving an incompatibility message that prevented installation when McAfee Antivirus was also present on the PC. In response, we temporarily halted updates to our new 5.0 products while we addressed this issue. Solution We have identified the issue as an erroneous incompatibility message triggered by the McAfee Security Center , a standalone console that ships with all McAfee security products to inform users of their security status. We have created updated versions of our products to address this issue so that users will be able to install the 5.0 products on machines where McAfee antivirus is installed. The updated versions of ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro are available at the following download links. We sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. ZoneAlarm 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zadownload ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zapdownload -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:48 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of extra features, and is more stable than before. So I tried to install it on my pc at home, and a box pops up and says "Install cannot run because you are running McAfee Security Centre. Please disable this before running setup again". So hang on, you want me to uninstall my virus scanner to install a firewall? I'm not using McAfee firewall cos it's awful... what's interfering? So I read the text on the website - in their infinite wisdom, Zonelabds have added a virus scanner to their firewall. Well that makes sense. Surely more people have a virus scanner and no firewall than have a firewall and no virus scanner... are they going to release weekly updates like Symantec and McAfee do? I looked at the "help" pages... so far, their only solution is to uninstall your virus scanner, install the firewall and disable the virus scan bit, then install your virus scanner again. I suppose you'd have to do this every time they released a new version of the firewall, probably 7 times a year or so. I don't know about the other AV systems, but when you install McAfee, it downloads every update in order from the one included on the cd, and installs them. At the moment, this takes 45 minutes, even with a DSL connection. That's a hassle I don't want to be doing more than once a year at most. So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jun 3 06:33:08 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:33:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Message-ID: I've used full versions of ZoneAlarm, Sygate, and Black Ice. IMHO ZoneAlarm works best, though I'm not willing to trust them yet with my antivirus protection. I relied on an independent study that tested (over fifty IIRC) different AV packages. The one that came out on top was F-Secure http://www.f-secure.com/estore/fsav2004.shtml. I do my research and the combination of Zonelabs ZoneAlarm, F-Secure Anti-Virus, SpyBot, Google toolbar, a hotmail spam account, and a simple router has kept my system from EVER getting hit. I conduct a fair amount of online transactions (~1-2 per week on average) with reputable companies that have agreeable privacy statements. Less than reputable companies get my hotmail account. So it should come as no surprise that I have no need for a spam filter on my home email accounts...I don't get any. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 I steer clear of Zonelarm, due to issues such as this and the fact that older versions don't fully 'uninstall' and leave crap in the registry. Been using Sygate Persoanl Firewall for years without any problems (free): http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2004 8:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 On 1 Jun 2004 at 10:47, Jon Tydda wrote: > Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed > it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of > extra features, and is more stable than before. > .....' > > So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the > other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought > the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful > bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include > AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some > money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. > Yep, there was a warning about it on the Langalist the other day. The bottom line was: " .... and there are other letters too. In short, if you have a copy of ZA 4x, hang on to it. At the very least, the 5x version seems not ready for prime time; and it may simply have become too big, too complex, and too unwieldy for its own--- or our--- good." -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 3 08:20:49 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:20:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 08:35:25 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:35:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5E@ALCUXB> Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 3 08:36:03 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:36:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000101c4496f$b7553a30$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Rocky, I'm also looking and HP has a line with an AMD Mobile processor with a $100 rebate. As of last night you can get a basic machine for $750. http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_store/computer_serie s_detail.do?series_name=ze4500_series&series_index=6&catLevel=2 If you just click that link and then the customize button, you will see a machine for about $1050, but if times are tight you can start moving options downwards, slower processor, less memory etc until you get to $750. It looks like a pretty nice machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jun 3 08:39:42 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:39:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <2526253470.20040603153942@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming of a ThinkPad powerbaby! Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people. /gustav > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > wife, the writer. From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 3 08:53:14 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:53:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5E@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <009601c44972$1dee1c60$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 08:54:33 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:54:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5F@ALCUXB> It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when it's running on battery power. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 3 08:56:25 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:56:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <2526253470.20040603153942@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <009e01c44972$8fcb47e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 3 08:58:28 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5E@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000201c44972$d9503bf0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Jon, Here in the US there is a company called NewEgg.com that sells everything about as cheap as you'll find it. If you insist on intel (bad boy!) then you are going to pay more for less. If you will go with AMD then (here in the USA) I can get motherboards and processors for cheap. In the end though, it's tough to beat a brand new system from Dell when they are having their sales. I found entire systems for under $450 (minus monitors) right after Christmas when they were dumping inventory. I always build my own though. Today you can get a high end AMD motherboard ($150), AMD 2500 barton ($80), 512 m memory ($120), 160g hd ($95). That's a pretty nice system for not too much - assuming you are upgrading and your power supply will handle the load. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is > a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video > card is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 09:08:25 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:08:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB61@ALCUXB> Yeah, I've always built my own, and other people's too. But if they wanted something with a warranty, I tell them to buy a Dell, from the factory outlet. I was considering doing that myself, but it's always nice to say "I did that"... Also I know where I am with Intel stuff - you look at the fsb of the chip, and make sure the motherboard and memory match it... I don't know that with AMD, and I've never used an AMD, so unless there's a huge difference to be had, I'm not one for changing :-) I also like to know where I am with the numbers... my office desktop is a P4-1.6, which runs at 1.65ghz, my friends AMD 2800 runs at 2.01ghz - he was most upset to find out that it wasn't the 2.8 he'd paid for. Jon -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:58 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, Here in the US there is a company called NewEgg.com that sells everything about as cheap as you'll find it. If you insist on intel (bad boy!) then you are going to pay more for less. If you will go with AMD then (here in the USA) I can get motherboards and processors for cheap. In the end though, it's tough to beat a brand new system from Dell when they are having their sales. I found entire systems for under $450 (minus monitors) right after Christmas when they were dumping inventory. I always build my own though. Today you can get a high end AMD motherboard ($150), AMD 2500 barton ($80), 512 m memory ($120), 160g hd ($95). That's a pretty nice system for not too much - assuming you are upgrading and your power supply will handle the load. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:35 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is > a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video > card is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 3 09:14:50 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:14:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB5F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <00e101c44975$2284b420$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel ports. Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. Any opinions? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when it's running on battery power. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Jun 3 09:18:54 2004 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:18:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB61@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <004a01c44975$b366b330$3500a8c0@dabsight> I build my own desktops, but I've never built a LAPTOP! Where do you start?? John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 03 June 2004 15:08 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Yeah, I've always built my own, and other people's too. But > if they wanted something with a warranty, I tell them to buy > a Dell, from the factory outlet. I was considering doing that > myself, but it's always nice to say "I did that"... > > Also I know where I am with Intel stuff - you look at the fsb > of the chip, and make sure the motherboard and memory match > it... I don't know that with AMD, and I've never used an AMD, > so unless there's a huge difference to be had, I'm not one > for changing :-) I also like to know where I am with the > numbers... my office desktop is a P4-1.6, which runs at > 1.65ghz, my friends AMD 2800 runs at 2.01ghz - he was most > upset to find out that it wasn't the 2.8 he'd paid for. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:58 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon, > > Here in the US there is a company called NewEgg.com that > sells everything about as cheap as you'll find it. If you > insist on intel (bad boy!) then you are going to pay more for > less. If you will go with AMD then (here in the USA) I can > get motherboards and processors for cheap. In the end > though, it's tough to beat a brand new system from Dell when > they are having their sales. I found entire systems for > under $450 (minus monitors) right after Christmas when they > were dumping inventory. > > I always build my own though. > > Today you can get a high end AMD motherboard ($150), AMD 2500 > barton ($80), 512 m memory ($120), 160g hd ($95). > > That's a pretty nice system for not too much - assuming you > are upgrading and your power supply will handle the load. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:35 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, > you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile > chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 > from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft > runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, > but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with > 128mb of RAM on it will do. > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery > life and performance through using less power etc when the > laptop isn't plugged into the mains. > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've > found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, > because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to > get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to > upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy > them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a > new pc yet. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Francisco: > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two > boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather > pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in > September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and > internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can > use the other box for that. > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to > be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have > some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, > although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit > down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I > suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will > do the same thing? > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 > with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco H Tapia" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > > > - Development work > > - DVD viewing > > - a lot of wireless work > > - Play video games > > - etc... > > > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are > gamers, it is > > > a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video > > card is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > > > > >Jon > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Peter Brawley" > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. > IMO Toshiba > gives > > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > > > >PB. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > To: dba-tech > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel > Pentium > > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 09:18:47 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB62@ALCUXB> The Sony Vaios that I've seen are ridiculously small - you have to type with the very ends of your fingers or it ends up looking like you've used your elbows. They're also more expensive because they're a "brand name". I'd go for the Dell to be honest, but see if you can get a faster one for the Sony money. The Centrino chip gives you the wifi access, not the mobile chip (I think). I'd also go for XP Pro, as you can do more with it. That is an awful lot of RAM though... ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 15:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel ports. Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. Any opinions? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when it's running on battery power. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From artful at rogers.com Thu Jun 3 09:23:15 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:23:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQL installation is toast In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB61@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <010301c44976$4f0e6ad0$6601a8c0@rock> Something happened, and I have no idea what, but now neither SQL 2000 nor the Yukon beta work. I can't reinstall them, I can't un-install them -- nothing works. Fortunately the data and master db etc. are all backed up on schedule, so that's going to be an issue. I have tried everything I could think of -- reinstall, uninstall, rename the directories and try again, install to a different location.... Nothing works. All my other software (save those tools that depend on a SQL instance) works fine. I should point out that I have a server running SQL 2000 and a couple of PCs with EM etc. loaded on them, so I can still work, but this machine is my fancy machine with a 19-inch flat monitor etc., and I'd rather work here than on any of the dinosaurs :) One more thing. I've been thinking it's time for another hard drive, anyway, so I could bump the current one up a notch, and start the long arduous re-install everything process again. Does anyone have any brilliant ideas how to proceed? TIA, Arthur From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 09:23:34 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:23:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB64@ALCUXB> No, sorry - I was agreeing with you on building desktops :-) with a small box presumably :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 15:19 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I build my own desktops, but I've never built a LAPTOP! Where do you start?? John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 03 June 2004 15:08 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Yeah, I've always built my own, and other people's too. But > if they wanted something with a warranty, I tell them to buy > a Dell, from the factory outlet. I was considering doing that > myself, but it's always nice to say "I did that"... > > Also I know where I am with Intel stuff - you look at the fsb > of the chip, and make sure the motherboard and memory match > it... I don't know that with AMD, and I've never used an AMD, > so unless there's a huge difference to be had, I'm not one > for changing :-) I also like to know where I am with the > numbers... my office desktop is a P4-1.6, which runs at > 1.65ghz, my friends AMD 2800 runs at 2.01ghz - he was most > upset to find out that it wasn't the 2.8 he'd paid for. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: jwcolby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:58 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon, > > Here in the US there is a company called NewEgg.com that > sells everything about as cheap as you'll find it. If you > insist on intel (bad boy!) then you are going to pay more for > less. If you will go with AMD then (here in the USA) I can > get motherboards and processors for cheap. In the end > though, it's tough to beat a brand new system from Dell when > they are having their sales. I found entire systems for > under $450 (minus monitors) right after Christmas when they > were dumping inventory. > > I always build my own though. > > Today you can get a high end AMD motherboard ($150), AMD 2500 > barton ($80), 512 m memory ($120), 160g hd ($95). > > That's a pretty nice system for not too much - assuming you > are upgrading and your power supply will handle the load. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:35 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, > you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile > chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 > from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft > runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, > but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with > 128mb of RAM on it will do. > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery > life and performance through using less power etc when the > laptop isn't plugged into the mains. > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've > found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, > because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to > get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to > upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy > them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a > new pc yet. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Francisco: > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two > boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather > pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in > September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and > internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can > use the other box for that. > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to > be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have > some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, > although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit > down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I > suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will > do the same thing? > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 > with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco H Tapia" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > > > - Development work > > - DVD viewing > > - a lot of wireless work > > - Play video games > > - etc... > > > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are > gamers, it is > > > a very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video > > card is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > > > > >Jon > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Peter Brawley" > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. > IMO Toshiba > gives > > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > > > >PB. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From CMackin at Quiznos.com Thu Jun 3 09:24:31 2004 From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:24:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287A@bross.quiznos.net> Hi, I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay extra to get it rushed. They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? Thanks, Chris Mackin From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 09:26:13 2004 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush References: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287A@bross.quiznos.net> Message-ID: <000d01c44976$b969be20$9111758f@aine> Chris I have a contact at Dell UK, not sure if thats any use to you? Let me know. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mackin, Christopher" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush > Hi, > > I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to > have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the > delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When > they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told > that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that > it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and > willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying > the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay > extra to get it rushed. > > They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, > does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? > > Thanks, > Chris Mackin > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 09:26:38 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:26:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB65@ALCUXB> Absolutely nothing - this is the only problem I have had with Dell... you buy something from them and it takes an absolute age to arrive. I think 6 weeks was our longest wait, with 4 days being the shortest. You just have no idea when they're going to deliver. I still prefer the actual units over HP or Compaq though. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mackin, Christopher [mailto:CMackin at Quiznos.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 15:25 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi, I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay extra to get it rushed. They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? Thanks, Chris Mackin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jun 3 09:27:20 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:27:20 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <009e01c44972$8fcb47e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <013a01c44810$71d2bf10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00c501c44816$56c61900$0c0110ac@toshnb> <002601c4481b$7e872740$0200a8c0@upstairs> <40BCF1C5.30008@verizon.net> <006a01c4496d$96598a90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <2526253470.20040603153942@cactus.dk> <009e01c44972$8fcb47e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <19229111540.20040603162720@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky > "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most > other people." > Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the > keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I > don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the > occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, > stuff like that. Same here, I prefer my old IBM PS/2 keyboard but I must admit that it can be very flexible to be able to bring the machine anywhere and still being able to do serious work. As for the screen size, I can live with 15" and high resolution; the NX7010 has a 15.4" wide screen and you are a little like a naughty kid if you complain about that. > How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? It is like IBM has some extra feeling for how to build a laptop. The keyboard is one thing - nice feeling, non-crazy layout, and no or put-away Windows keys - and then the machines have this strange additional cruddle and crump "value" which is hard to explain. Other things are small details like the built-in keyboard light on some models. We sell these machines but don't stock them. For clients like you we recommend a trip to the local pc supermarket where you can have your hands on a variety of models while experiencing the total non-expertise of the sales people trying to sell you whatever. As for the pricing in the US, I have no idea. Don't forget when comparing prices the warranty from the manufacturer. Here HP and IBM both have a very high service level; you won't get this from everyone. /gustav > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> Hi Rocky >> >> My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they >> use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, >> VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide >> screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming >> of a ThinkPad powerbaby! >> >> Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than >> most other people. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work >> > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my >> > wife, the writer. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 3 09:33:01 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB61@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000301c44977$ac7fa980$7e01a8c0@colbyws> >he was most upset to find out that it wasn't the 2.8 he'd paid for. LOL. Yea, if raw number of instructions through the pipeline is what you cherish, then Intel is your bag. If work done is what you cherish, then it pays to understand the pros and cons of each chip, what YOU do with your machine, and which is better for you. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:08 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Yeah, I've always built my own, and other people's too. But if they wanted something with a warranty, I tell them to buy a Dell, from the factory outlet. I was considering doing that myself, but it's always nice to say "I did that"... Also I know where I am with Intel stuff - you look at the fsb of the chip, and make sure the motherboard and memory match it... I don't know that with AMD, and I've never used an AMD, so unless there's a huge difference to be had, I'm not one for changing :-) I also like to know where I am with the numbers... my office desktop is a P4-1.6, which runs at 1.65ghz, my friends AMD 2800 runs at 2.01ghz - he was most upset to find out that it wasn't the 2.8 he'd paid for. Jon From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jun 3 09:37:47 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:37:47 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush In-Reply-To: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287A@bross.quiznos.net> References: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287A@bross.quiznos.net> Message-ID: <17229738892.20040603163747@cactus.dk> Hi Christopher No. We have a motto here: "Forget your Dell until you have it in your hands". We have seen it so many times when clients have been tempted by some bargain price. That's why we stick with IBM, HP and Fujitsu and their distributors who physically stock machines. If you need a machine in a hurry, you know what you can count on. If time is really tight, you can go and get it the same day. /gustav > I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to > have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the > delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When > they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told > that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that > it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and > willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying > the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay > extra to get it rushed. > They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, > does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? From CMackin at Quiznos.com Thu Jun 3 09:49:38 2004 From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:49:38 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287C@bross.quiznos.net> Yeah, the IT department has a Dell server farm and will only purchase Dell's, which is fine until this situation arises. I definitely have no complaints with the end product, but it's frustrating that they have the coverage of 4 hour replacement if the server breaks, but can't get a new server for weeks. I'm still convinced that there must be a way to get it done, but I'm thick headed that way. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi Christopher No. We have a motto here: "Forget your Dell until you have it in your hands". We have seen it so many times when clients have been tempted by some bargain price. That's why we stick with IBM, HP and Fujitsu and their distributors who physically stock machines. If you need a machine in a hurry, you know what you can count on. If time is really tight, you can go and get it the same day. /gustav > I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to > have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the > delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When > they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told > that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that > it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and > willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying > the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay > extra to get it rushed. > They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, > does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 3 11:03:42 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:03:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush In-Reply-To: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941287A@bross.quiznos.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris, I did the "expedite it" thing last server I ordered and it did show up a bit sooner than promised. Not sure how reliable it is but its worth a try. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin, Christopher Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi, I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay extra to get it rushed. They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? Thanks, Chris Mackin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jun 3 11:08:01 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:08:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <1100564.1086271080887.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <000001c44984$f20e2320$de1811d8@danwaters> Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 3 11:15:30 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:15:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB6D@ALCUXB> The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth looking though IMO. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From CMackin at Quiznos.com Thu Jun 3 11:16:41 2004 From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:16:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD9412880@bross.quiznos.net> The expedite thing I geuss is a nice feature, but without having any $$$ associated with it I am very curious if it has any real effect. Why would anyone not expedite their server? I wonder if that's a feature that is used primarily to give customers a warm fuzzy feeling that they are getting special treatment. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi Chris, I did the "expedite it" thing last server I ordered and it did show up a bit sooner than promised. Not sure how reliable it is but its worth a try. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin, Christopher Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi, I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay extra to get it rushed. They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? Thanks, Chris Mackin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 3 11:41:01 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush In-Reply-To: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD9412880@bross.quiznos.net> Message-ID: I don't remember if I paid extra for faster shipping or what. It could be the "warm & fuzzy" though, I only used it once. Normally I don't order under distress so I wouldn't considered expediting a machine - just more immediate work (plent of that going around) and I would rather schedule my work. :o) John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin, Christopher Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:17 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush The expedite thing I geuss is a nice feature, but without having any $$$ associated with it I am very curious if it has any real effect. Why would anyone not expedite their server? I wonder if that's a feature that is used primarily to give customers a warm fuzzy feeling that they are getting special treatment. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi Chris, I did the "expedite it" thing last server I ordered and it did show up a bit sooner than promised. Not sure how reliable it is but its worth a try. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin, Christopher Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:25 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dell Server Rush Hi, I have a client who ordered a server from Dell last Friday and they need to have it on sire in about a week. The Dell rep is telling them that the delivery date is 6/21, or at least a week later than they need it. When they asked about expediting the process and paying a premium they were told that and expedite would be placed on the order but they got the feeling that it carried no weight. They are willing to be flexible on the specs and willing to pay a premium to get it rushed but have been told that modifying the specs will only delay the process further and there's no way to pay extra to get it rushed. They've asked me to see what I can do to get the server out here next week, does anyone have any good ideas on ways to get Dell to rush an order? Thanks, Chris Mackin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jun 3 11:48:27 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:48:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) In-Reply-To: <13360632.1086279610136.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <000001c4498a$9868b550$de1811d8@danwaters> I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring my laptop back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, and a printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth looking though IMO. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Jun 3 12:32:41 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:32:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17029A4E@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> I use one at work, makes things pretty quick. Then again, I'm not paying for it! The one thing I like about it is that I can plug in a second monitor to the docking station. Yes, I can do that directly to my laptop, but it's another cable to deal with. I guess it depends on just how often you take your laptop with you. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop > Recommendation) > > > I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring > my laptop back > to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, > and a printer > cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station > for my laptop > for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. > > I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you > think of it? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > The other solution is to get a docking station for when you > sue it at home, > with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, > and the laptop > detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth > looking though IMO. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky, > > 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also > dislike the keyboard > and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split > keyboard in a > retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting > on a stand > that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the > desk, and I plug > in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 > resolution, I can do > development work quite well! > > Dan Waters > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > Gustav: > > "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the > machine than most > other people." > > Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the > keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too > small. So I > don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking > of it for the > occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog > and pony show, > stuff like that. > > How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > > most other people. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT > to be able to > work > > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for > me as well as > my > > > wife, the writer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and > are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** 3/6/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Jun 3 12:48:08 2004 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <00e101c44975$2284b420$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001501c44992$ee95bce0$082da8c0@D58BT131> Hi Rocky Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's site and for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for small business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro that you probably should opt to include. Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there still is a need for a device to communicate with. Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to jump quick to take advantage of them. We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone for the SXGA rather than XGA. I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) Perry Harold -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel ports. Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. Any opinions? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when it's running on battery power. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Jun 3 12:53:39 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:53:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <20040603125339.1569631060.serbach@new.rr.com> Jon, Have you seen this? http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Jun 3 13:01:51 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:01:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17029A52@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> I used to have a Sager laptop and was VERY pleased with it. A bit larger than others, but very modular and very powerful. Along the same vein as the Alienware laptops, but can be taylored for business use. They even have a model with 2GB memory and dual disks! http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.html Otherwise, when my wife got a laptop the main thing I looked for was warranty. With that in mind, we picked up a Compaq at Best Buy with an additional 'drop kick' 3 year warranty. Whole thing and warranty cost under $1000, 0% financing and was powerful enough to do Access development on. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:54 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon, > > Have you seen this? > > http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not > politics, that determines the success of a society. The > central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture > and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** 3/6/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Jun 3 13:04:33 2004 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:04:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) In-Reply-To: <000001c4498a$9868b550$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <001601c44995$39bf2740$082da8c0@D58BT131> Depending on the station - it allows a full size monitor, keyboard and mouse, and a network connection to be used - which is connected by just placing the notebook into the cradle and turning it on. Perry -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring my laptop back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, and a printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth looking though IMO. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able > > to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jun 3 13:16:25 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:16:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17029A4E@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: Docking stations are great but expensive. Back in the dark ages I had one for a Toshiba that included an extra hard drive, CD drive, etc. - stuff that didn't fit in the average laptop at the time. I haven't checked for awhile but there used to be "generic" docking stations that allowed you to hook up any brand of laptop. IIRC it worked via the PCMCIA slot. I personally just hook it up via one USB port/hub. Leave the hub connected to the desktop keyboard, mouse, network, printer, etc. If I want an external monitor its another video cable - but then a 15" LCD panel is plenty big for me, I don't need to do that. There are a lot of inexpensive stands that hold a laptop up so the screen is higher off the desk. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) I use one at work, makes things pretty quick. Then again, I'm not paying for it! The one thing I like about it is that I can plug in a second monitor to the docking station. Yes, I can do that directly to my laptop, but it's another cable to deal with. I guess it depends on just how often you take your laptop with you. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop > Recommendation) > > > I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring > my laptop back > to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, > and a printer > cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station > for my laptop > for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. > > I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you > think of it? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > The other solution is to get a docking station for when you > sue it at home, > with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, > and the laptop > detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth > looking though IMO. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky, > > 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also > dislike the keyboard > and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split > keyboard in a > retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting > on a stand > that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the > desk, and I plug > in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 > resolution, I can do > development work quite well! > > Dan Waters > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > Gustav: > > "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the > machine than most > other people." > > Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the > keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too > small. So I > don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking > of it for the > occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog > and pony show, > stuff like that. > > How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > > most other people. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT > to be able to > work > > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for > me as well as > my > > > wife, the writer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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Mine is fairly large. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:19 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation The Sony Vaios that I've seen are ridiculously small - you have to type with the very ends of your fingers or it ends up looking like you've used your elbows. They're also more expensive because they're a "brand name". I'd go for the Dell to be honest, but see if you can get a faster one for the Sony money. The Centrino chip gives you the wifi access, not the mobile chip (I think). I'd also go for XP Pro, as you can do more with it. That is an awful lot of RAM though... ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 15:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel ports. Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. Any opinions? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when it's running on battery power. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon: What is speedstep technology? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will do. The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into the mains. Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Francisco: Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a machine of his own. He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my wife, the writer. So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > You're gonna receive a whole lotta responses Rocky. Maybe providing > more information on what you expect your laptop to be able to do? > > - Development work > - DVD viewing > - a lot of wireless work > - Play video games > - etc... > > The Alienware solution is really more for people who are gamers, it is a > very sweet system, but if you're not gonna game, then the 3d video card > is going to waste... know what I mean? > > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/1/2004 2:00 PM: > > >check out the Alienware Area-51m... awesome... > > > > > >Jon > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Brawley" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > >My understanding is that M better than 4 for lightweight. IMO Toshiba gives > >more bang for the laptop buck, though. > > > >PB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > To: dba-tech > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > I'm thinking about getting a laptop. What's better Mobile Intel Pentium > >4, or Pentium M. Or are they the same. > > > > I'm looking at the Dell catalog. > > > > Any other things to look out for? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, Have you seen this? http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 3 13:54:50 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:54:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 References: Message-ID: <004001c4499c$406d5790$0200a8c0@upstairs> I can confirm that this installed without me even having to disable McAfee. It sees it and installs "around" it (as it were) and lets you use your opwn AV product instead of forcing its own onto you. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Hope this helps everyone out... Mark http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/zass/generalFAQs.jsp 1. I'm having trouble with version 5.0. What should I do? A. Compatibility with McAfee Security Center Overview During the recent update of ZoneAlarm 5.0 and ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0, some customers alerted us that they were receiving an incompatibility message that prevented installation when McAfee Antivirus was also present on the PC. In response, we temporarily halted updates to our new 5.0 products while we addressed this issue. Solution We have identified the issue as an erroneous incompatibility message triggered by the McAfee Security Center , a standalone console that ships with all McAfee security products to inform users of their security status. We have created updated versions of our products to address this issue so that users will be able to install the 5.0 products on machines where McAfee antivirus is installed. The updated versions of ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro are available at the following download links. We sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. ZoneAlarm 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zadownload ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0: http://www.zonelabs.com/zapdownload -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:48 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Zonealarm v5 Zonelabs have brought out version 5 of their firewall, and having installed it on my brothers pc when I was rebuilding it, it's great - got loads of extra features, and is more stable than before. So I tried to install it on my pc at home, and a box pops up and says "Install cannot run because you are running McAfee Security Centre. Please disable this before running setup again". So hang on, you want me to uninstall my virus scanner to install a firewall? I'm not using McAfee firewall cos it's awful... what's interfering? So I read the text on the website - in their infinite wisdom, Zonelabds have added a virus scanner to their firewall. Well that makes sense. Surely more people have a virus scanner and no firewall than have a firewall and no virus scanner... are they going to release weekly updates like Symantec and McAfee do? I looked at the "help" pages... so far, their only solution is to uninstall your virus scanner, install the firewall and disable the virus scan bit, then install your virus scanner again. I suppose you'd have to do this every time they released a new version of the firewall, probably 7 times a year or so. I don't know about the other AV systems, but when you install McAfee, it downloads every update in order from the one included on the cd, and installs them. At the moment, this takes 45 minutes, even with a DSL connection. That's a hassle I don't want to be doing more than once a year at most. So I'm looking at downgrading my subscription to Zonealarm, although the other versions don't offer all the other features of the firewall - I bought the Pro version, because it has ad blocking, and all sorts of other useful bits, which the others don't come with. So because they decided to include AV, all the customers get screwed over. Does downgrading mean I'll get some money back from the licence I bought? No, I think not... Nice one lads. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 3 13:56:59 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:56:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) References: <000001c4498a$9868b550$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <00b501c4499c$8d3b3510$0200a8c0@upstairs> We have a couple at work, but that's because the users asked for them, rather than us forcing them onto them. if I had a laptop, I'd use one too, but only if someone else paid for it :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring my laptop back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, and a printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth looking though IMO. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 3 14:00:18 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:00:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <001501c44992$ee95bce0$082da8c0@D58BT131> Message-ID: <021701c4499d$03824a60$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Perry: The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Harold" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's site and > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for small > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro that > you probably should opt to include. > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there still is a > need for a device to communicate with. > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to jump > quick to take advantage of them. > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the screen > crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone for the SXGA > rather than XGA. > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The > prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to get > what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it at > "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > Perry Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, Intel > PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I thought with the > mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel > ports. > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, 15 > inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, memory > stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > Any opinions? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your laptop when > it's running on battery power. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon: > > What is speedstep technology? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need 512mb > RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - I got an > 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs nothing in > comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything over that will suit > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to consider a > vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of RAM on it will > do. > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into > the mains. > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found that you > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling the > low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 > or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you can't buy them > anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Francisco: > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & 14 > and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. The big > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to have a > machine of his own. > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet research. > Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box for that. > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well as my > wife, the writer. > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although I'll > only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in a > coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can just get > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with 512mb > RAM, DVD, etc. > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jun 3 14:01:14 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:01:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <20040603125339.1569631060.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <00e401c4499d$255ecf00$0200a8c0@upstairs> Very nice... I'll put that on my list of things to buy when I win the lottery, along with the Alienware desktop and Aston Martin DB9 :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, Have you seen this? http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jun 3 14:05:25 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:05:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD97F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I always use and sell docking stations with notebooks that are mend to be a desktop replacement. It's a thing of connecting deconnection, but if you do that every day several times you gonna get bad connections after a while.... I'ts very very practical... And for some users connecting the phone line in to the network connection it solves some problems ... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harold Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) Depending on the station - it allows a full size monitor, keyboard and mouse, and a network connection to be used - which is connected by just placing the notebook into the cradle and turning it on. Perry -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring my laptop back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, and a printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth looking though IMO. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Rocky, 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Gustav: "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than most other people." Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog and pony show, stuff like that. How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people. > > /gustav > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able > > to work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my > > wife, the writer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jun 3 14:07:46 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:07:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD980@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Idd They don't call them docking station anymore but port replicators. Not much logic in a port replicator === cheaper. A Toshiba/HP port replicator costs something around EUR340??? Old docking station with 1 or 2 ISA slots and a hard disk... Would cost 4 times as mutch... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) Docking stations are great but expensive. Back in the dark ages I had one for a Toshiba that included an extra hard drive, CD drive, etc. - stuff that didn't fit in the average laptop at the time. I haven't checked for awhile but there used to be "generic" docking stations that allowed you to hook up any brand of laptop. IIRC it worked via the PCMCIA slot. I personally just hook it up via one USB port/hub. Leave the hub connected to the desktop keyboard, mouse, network, printer, etc. If I want an external monitor its another video cable - but then a 15" LCD panel is plenty big for me, I don't need to do that. There are a lot of inexpensive stands that hold a laptop up so the screen is higher off the desk. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) I use one at work, makes things pretty quick. Then again, I'm not paying for it! The one thing I like about it is that I can plug in a second monitor to the docking station. Yes, I can do that directly to my laptop, but it's another cable to deal with. I guess it depends on just how often you take your laptop with you. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:48 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop > Recommendation) > > > I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring my laptop > back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the laptop, and a > printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a docking station > for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. > > I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of > it? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > The other solution is to get a docking station for when you sue it at > home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently plugged in, and > the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth > looking though IMO. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky, > > 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the > keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split > keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is > resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 inches up > off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a > 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! > > Dan Waters > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > Gustav: > > "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > most other people." > > Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't like the > keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too small. So > I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm thinking of it > for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to do the dog > and pony show, stuff like that. > > How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very powerful and they > > use them for all sorts of development work including Visual C, Zope, > > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 I'm dreaming > > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the machine than > > most other people. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT > to be able to > work > > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for > me as well as > my > > > wife, the writer. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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ACS _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Jun 3 14:36:09 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:36:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17029A56@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Browsing the site I ran across their desktop specs. The entire system drive is on flash ram instead of a drive If you are a power junkie, these folks put out some impressive hardware. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:01 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Very nice... I'll put that on my list of things to buy when I win the > lottery, along with the Alienware desktop and Aston Martin DB9 :-) > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven W. Erbach" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:53 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon, > > Have you seen this? > > http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not > politics, that > determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that > politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - > Patrick Moynihan > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** 3/6/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jun 3 14:50:48 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:50:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but last I heard, go-l is vaporware. They raised quite a stink when they started inventing, trade-marking, and marketing new terms for existing technology and were unable to produce working examples of what they deemed revolutionary technology. IIRC, MaximumPC has a standing request out to its readership for information leading to anyone who actually has one. Maybe all that has changed...? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, Have you seen this? http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jun 3 14:52:16 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:52:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: >> The entire system drive is on flash ram instead of a drive << This is one of the technologies that was mysteriously absent when they sent a review system to MaximumPC. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Browsing the site I ran across their desktop specs. The entire system drive is on flash ram instead of a drive If you are a power junkie, these folks put out some impressive hardware. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:01 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Very nice... I'll put that on my list of things to buy when I win the > lottery, along with the Alienware desktop and Aston Martin DB9 :-) > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven W. Erbach" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:53 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon, > > Have you seen this? > > http://go-l.com/store/hardware/hollywood_gold.htm > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not > politics, that > determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that > politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - > Patrick Moynihan > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > **************************************************************************** ******* 3/6/2004 This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Jun 3 16:59:55 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:59:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <20040603165955.833099228.serbach@new.rr.com> Mark, >> I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but last I heard, go-l is vaporware. << Heck, you won't have any problem with me. I saw a TechTV segment that highlighted one of the desktop units with the dual display. The two guys were not impressed with the internal rat's nest of wiring. That was about it for the level of technical detail they gave...but it was real. >> They raised quite a stink when they started inventing, trade-marking, and marketing new terms for existing technology and were unable to produce working examples of what they deemed revolutionary technology. << Was this a news item some time back? I've just gone looking for more information on it but I come up with mostly web log rants and "reviews". I can't tell whether this is real or not...except for the fact that I saw a TechTV segment on it. Of course, I can't find that segment anymore at the new TechTV site... Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing." - Fred Reed From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jun 3 17:49:21 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:49:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000001c44984$f20e2320$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <200406032249.i53MnesS048031@mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net> Rocky, I haven't read everything, but thought I'd tell you what I have. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00017H7SA/002-8908962-2796030 ?v=glance I previously had another Sony, with less bells and whistles and was happy with it, so I did a "go for broke" on this one. Note that the "CD" will burn DVDs too. Comes with XP Home, so I bought the upgrade to Pro. I haven't had a desktop for over 6 years - use laptop for everything. I have all these externals hooked up to it: Monitor Keyboard (wireless by Logitec) Mouse (marble, so USB instead of the wirelss regular mouse) Scanner 20 gig HD (left over from previous) 80 gig HD DVD burner (left over from previous) 3.5 drive HP Laserjet 1500L (3 color cartridges plus the black one) via HP Print Server Everything except monitor is either USB or wireless. I have LinkSys router controlling the internet (Charter cable) so that Dave and I both get the internet. On old laptop, I had a PCMCIA slot LynkSys wifi card that I used. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=36&prid=507 Since the new laptop has built in, I'm willing to sell the WPC54G - Amazon's charging $70 and has used ones for $55, so if someone wants it, I'll sell it for $50 + actual shipping (no tax). I didn't buy the replicator for this one, though I had it for the last one. Probably will eventually. But if you don't do that much traveling with it, it's not that much of a hassle to unplug the hub etc to "go". I recently took it to Las Vegas, and went to Starbucks - no problem with connecting. And, as mentioned before, I use my own "hot spot" here at home. I doubt you'd have any problems with your developing. I don't do the Access developing you do, but use Macromedia Studio MX (& have MX 2004) for developing about a dozen websites. I multitask all the time with no problems. Happy shopping! -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jun 3 17:57:35 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:57:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop Recommendation) In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17029A4E@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: <200406032257.i53Mvh2k035031@mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net> Having used one with previous laptop, and not having one with current, it's the price making the decision for me. I connect/disconnect about once a month on average. For now, I can live without the replicator. If I was doing it once/week, I'd get the replicator. I *do*, however, have an extra power connector and extra mouse, that stays in my laptop bag. So I unplug everything (see my other post about what "everything" consists of), leave it all there, and just pop the laptop into my bag and go. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Porter, Mark > Sent: 03 Jun 2004 10:33 am > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was > Laptop Recommendation) > > I use one at work, makes things pretty quick. Then again, > I'm not paying for it! > > The one thing I like about it is that I can plug in a second > monitor to the docking station. > > Yes, I can do that directly to my laptop, but it's another > cable to deal with. > > I guess it depends on just how often you take your laptop with you. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:48 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Docking Station for Laptop (was Laptop > > Recommendation) > > > > > > I don't really get the docking station thing. When I bring > my laptop > > back to the desk, I plug in 2 USB's, the power cord, the > laptop, and a > > printer cable. Takes about 20 seconds. Dell sells a > docking station > > for my laptop for about $200. For me, there's no decision here. > > > > I wonder if anyone does use a docking station and what you think of > > it? > > > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > The other solution is to get a docking station for when you > sue it at > > home, with the keyboard, mouse and monitor permanently > plugged in, and > > the laptop detaches, but I think they can be quite expensive. Worth > > looking though IMO. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 17:08 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > 90% of the time I'm using my laptop at home, and I also dislike the > > keyboard and various mouse substitute attempts. So, I have a split > > keyboard in a retractable tray mounted under my desk, the laptop is > > resting on a stand that brings it closer to me and about 3 > inches up > > off the desk, and I plug in a USB mouse. And because I'm OK with a > > 1200 X 1600 resolution, I can do development work quite well! > > > > Dan Waters > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:56 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Gustav: > > > > "Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the > machine than > > most other people." > > > > Yeah, this I know. And I really don't like laptops. Don't > like the > > keyboard and hate the mouse thingy. And the screen is too > small. So > > I don't think I'll be doing too much development. I'm > thinking of it > > for the occasional business trip, to take to the client to > do the dog > > and pony show, stuff like that. > > > > How much does that NX7000 cost? Why do you like ThinkPad? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > My son in law bought a couple of HP NX7000 - very > powerful and they > > > use them for all sorts of development work including > Visual C, Zope, > > > VB and VS. He tries to persuade me to get one too (now NX7010 wide > > > screen) but while I fiddle with my old HP OmniBook 4150 > I'm dreaming > > > of a ThinkPad powerbaby! > > > > > > Be careful - as a developer you spend more hours at the > machine than > > > most other people. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT > > to be able to > > work > > > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for > > me as well as > > my > > > > wife, the writer. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally > > privileged. 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(Newport News)) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:21:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: Steve, In my latest issue of Maximum PC (June 2004), there is a sidebar regarding this issue. To save time, I'll just quote it directly. >> HAVE YOU BOUGHT A PC FROM L COMPUTERS? For that matter, has anyone? We featured L Computers on our January 2004 cover for the company's audacious approach to high-end PC design, even though we were skeptical about some of the hyped technologies that were MIA in our test unit. Now we're even more skeptical. Despite announcements of even faster computers and retail partnerships "soon," Maximum PC has been unable to locate a single person who's purchased a computer from www.go-l.com. If you have - or if you've even tried - we'd like to talk to you. E-mail us at input at maximumpc.com. << If you're interested, I can dig out my January 2004 issue and go into details regarding what they found during their review. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Mark, >> I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but last I heard, go-l is vaporware. << Heck, you won't have any problem with me. I saw a TechTV segment that highlighted one of the desktop units with the dual display. The two guys were not impressed with the internal rat's nest of wiring. That was about it for the level of technical detail they gave...but it was real. >> They raised quite a stink when they started inventing, trade-marking, and marketing new terms for existing technology and were unable to produce working examples of what they deemed revolutionary technology. << Was this a news item some time back? I've just gone looking for more information on it but I come up with mostly web log rants and "reviews". I can't tell whether this is real or not...except for the fact that I saw a TechTV segment on it. Of course, I can't find that segment anymore at the new TechTV site... Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing." - Fred Reed _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Jun 4 06:42:55 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:42:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <20040604064255.1397090262.serbach@new.rr.com> Mark, Very interesting. Sounds like this "Hollywood producer" used some Hollywood-style hype to create interest for his products. No need to dig up the January issue. I see that this is, indeed, a case of smoke and mirrors. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "Don't light a match 'til ya know which end of the dog is barkin'." - Dave Barry From artful at rogers.com Sun Jun 6 07:54:30 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 08:54:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request In-Reply-To: <20040604064255.1397090262.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01c44bc5$6870f410$6601a8c0@rock> A friend for whom I did a simple website now wants to get fancy. Specifically, he wants to open the show with a photo and then have the photo fade out and a second photo to fade in, after a designated number of seconds. Web-dev is not my forte, and I have no idea how to do this. Help? Arthur From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Sun Jun 6 14:33:31 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:33:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request References: <000b01c44bc5$6870f410$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <003a01c44bfd$290d19b0$0c0110ac@toshnb> It's a snap to fade anything including images in Javascript, eg http://www.javascript-fx.com/gng/demo/picfader/, good demo and kit at http://www.scriptsearch.com/cgi-bin/jump.cgi?ID=7069 P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request A friend for whom I did a simple website now wants to get fancy. Specifically, he wants to open the show with a photo and then have the photo fade out and a second photo to fade in, after a designated number of seconds. Web-dev is not my forte, and I have no idea how to do this. Help? Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 7 05:28:22 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:28:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request Message-ID: Arthur, Here's a decent example. http://dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex14/fadeinslideshow.htm Description: An auto-rotating slideshow with a cross browser twist- the images are gently faded into view. The fade effect works in both IE4+ and NS6+, with the slide portion functional in all browsers. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:55 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request A friend for whom I did a simple website now wants to get fancy. Specifically, he wants to open the show with a photo and then have the photo fade out and a second photo to fade in, after a designated number of seconds. Web-dev is not my forte, and I have no idea how to do this. Help? Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jun 7 06:36:49 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:36:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption Message-ID: <641808560.20040607133649@cactus.dk> Hi all How secure is this? Or to put it in other words: how likely is it that someone picking up a lost laptop can not gain access to the content of your encrypted files? We have a client requesting this level of security but our experience with Windows 2000/XP native encryption is nil and we don't want to "sell" the client false security. /gustav From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 7 07:11:11 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:11:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption In-Reply-To: <641808560.20040607133649@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <40C4E7FF.30641.114103AD@localhost> On 7 Jun 2004 at 13:36, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > How secure is this? Or to put it in other words: how likely is it that > someone picking up a lost laptop can not gain access to the content of > your encrypted files? > Doubtful security - see below. > We have a client requesting this level of security but our experience > with Windows 2000/XP native encryption is nil and we don't want to > "sell" the client false security. > A better bet for securing data is to use the freeware TrueCrypt Get it while you can from http://www.freewebs.com/thinker2004/ There's currently a dispute going on over the technology between TrueCrypt and SecurStar who bought Scramdisk and E4M and turned them into DriveCrypt, so www.truecrypt.org is currently down. or the commercial PGPDisk (freeware if you pick up a version of PGP prior to v6.5) Either of these will create a *very* secure partition or virtual drive on the laptop Just use that drive to store all data. If you don't have the passphrase to open the virtual drive, not only can't you access the data, you can't even tell that there is any data to be recovered. As for EFS: >From http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html There is very little reason to use EFS on Win2k standalone installation since it does not offer real protection in Windows2k. It is possible to reset the administrators passphrase (even with Syskey enabled and stored in floppy) and login as admin. This can be done by simply booting the computer in other operating system and deleting the SAM file and manipulating the registry so that Windows does not want to have Syskey during startup. If Syskey is not present, resetting the administrators passphrase is much easier. Administrator can do many things and is the default recovery agent of EFS. In any case, once you have logged in as admin, you can decrypt all data encrypted with EFS in that computer. In theory, it *is* possible in standalone Windows 2000 to have secure EFS, but it is very, very, very complicated to archive. In theory, by exporting the administrators recovery certificate or designating some other recovery agent AND implementing Syskey to passphrase or floppy, it *might* be possible to prevent anyone from reading EFS encrypted files. It is always possible to login as administrator, but if the administrator does not have the recovery keys, he cant decrypt EFS files... And since the Syskey *prevents* tampering the other accounts, it is in *theory* safe (if hacker deletes SAM file, then other accounts loose their vital piece of information and cant be used and therefore they cant get access to private key). But in practise...well...who really knows? I STRONGLY recommend not to use EFS in Windows 2000 unless the computer is a part of domain and the settings/security policies are good and the actual computer where the certificates are stored is in safe place so nobody can get a physical access to it and Syskey for each computer is stored in passphrase or in floppy format. Use PGPdisk instead and you dont have to worry about these kinds of issues with Windows 2000! -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jun 7 07:18:33 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:18:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption In-Reply-To: <40C4E7FF.30641.114103AD@localhost> Message-ID: <000f01c44c89$8d3a1140$7e01a8c0@colbyws> I bought SecurStar and it seems to work well. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption On 7 Jun 2004 at 13:36, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > How secure is this? Or to put it in other words: how likely is it that > someone picking up a lost laptop can not gain access to the content of > your encrypted files? > Doubtful security - see below. > We have a client requesting this level of security but our experience > with Windows 2000/XP native encryption is nil and we don't want to > "sell" the client false security. > A better bet for securing data is to use the freeware TrueCrypt Get it while you can from http://www.freewebs.com/thinker2004/ There's currently a dispute going on over the technology between TrueCrypt and SecurStar who bought Scramdisk and E4M and turned them into DriveCrypt, so www.truecrypt.org is currently down. or the commercial PGPDisk (freeware if you pick up a version of PGP prior to v6.5) Either of these will create a *very* secure partition or virtual drive on the laptop Just use that drive to store all data. If you don't have the passphrase to open the virtual drive, not only can't you access the data, you can't even tell that there is any data to be recovered. As for EFS: >From http://www.markusjansson.net/exp.html There is very little reason to use EFS on Win2k standalone installation since it does not offer real protection in Windows2k. It is possible to reset the administrators passphrase (even with Syskey enabled and stored in floppy) and login as admin. This can be done by simply booting the computer in other operating system and deleting the SAM file and manipulating the registry so that Windows does not want to have Syskey during startup. If Syskey is not present, resetting the administrators passphrase is much easier. Administrator can do many things and is the default recovery agent of EFS. In any case, once you have logged in as admin, you can decrypt all data encrypted with EFS in that computer. In theory, it *is* possible in standalone Windows 2000 to have secure EFS, but it is very, very, very complicated to archive. In theory, by exporting the administrators recovery certificate or designating some other recovery agent AND implementing Syskey to passphrase or floppy, it *might* be possible to prevent anyone from reading EFS encrypted files. It is always possible to login as administrator, but if the administrator does not have the recovery keys, he cant decrypt EFS files... And since the Syskey *prevents* tampering the other accounts, it is in *theory* safe (if hacker deletes SAM file, then other accounts loose their vital piece of information and cant be used and therefore they cant get access to private key). But in practise...well...who really knows? I STRONGLY recommend not to use EFS in Windows 2000 unless the computer is a part of domain and the settings/security policies are good and the actual computer where the certificates are stored is in safe place so nobody can get a physical access to it and Syskey for each computer is stored in passphrase or in floppy format. Use PGPdisk instead and you dont have to worry about these kinds of issues with Windows 2000! -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 7 07:33:48 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:33:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption In-Reply-To: <000f01c44c89$8d3a1140$7e01a8c0@colbyws> References: <40C4E7FF.30641.114103AD@localhost> Message-ID: <40C4ED4C.32018.1155B8C3@localhost> On 7 Jun 2004 at 8:18, jwcolby wrote: > I bought SecurStar and it seems to work well. > But how do you know? Their source is not available for review. See http://www.security-forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13372 and http://www.privacy.com.au/snake-oil-faq.html for just a couple of takes on this. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jun 7 08:00:05 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:00:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2000/XP native folder/file encryption In-Reply-To: <000f01c44c89$8d3a1140$7e01a8c0@colbyws> References: <000f01c44c89$8d3a1140$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <166804654.20040607150005@cactus.dk> Thanks Stuart and John I'll have a closer discussion with the client. /gustav From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 7 09:34:11 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC Message-ID: I just got back to my office and had a call from a client wondering whether one of my (Access 97 based) applications will work on a Windows XP Tablet PC. As far as I know (since it works on Windows XP) it will work on the tablet version. Anyone know any more about it? John B. From blreische at mdh.org Mon Jun 7 09:35:38 2004 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:35:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612D3A@NEWMAN_EXC> One of my databases is absolutely awesome on a tablet without modification. The handwriting recognition allows paramedics to enter their narrative on ambulance runs without typing ! But other things are harder to do with a pen than with a mouse. I think the application should be looked at for usability on a case-by-case basis. Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:34 AM To: _DBA-OT; _DBA-Tech; _DBA-Access Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC I just got back to my office and had a call from a client wondering whether one of my (Access 97 based) applications will work on a Windows XP Tablet PC. As far as I know (since it works on Windows XP) it will work on the tablet version. Anyone know any more about it? John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 10:33:49 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:33:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports Message-ID: I don't know about Crystal Reports, but I do regular Access Reports and queries from Oracle Databases all the time and have no problems. How many rows are you dealing with? Why are you using Excel? I wonder if the Excel limit of 65K rows is causing a problem? Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:12 +0100 > >I've got an Oracle database which I'm trying to write a report from, by >extracting data through Cystal Report and/or Excel (MS Query). I'm using >Win2k, Office 2k and Crystal Reports 9.0 sp3 on a P4 1.5 with 512mb RAM and >2048mb page file, and I keep getting the message "memory full"... which is >slightly annoying to say the least. > >Does anyone have any ideas how I'd get around that? > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Mon Jun 7 10:44:43 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:44:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019901c44ca6$5a2012b0$6601a8c0@rock> Nice! Exactly what I need for this guy's opening page. The actual images are much more banal, mind you. Start with an intact industrial roof, then show disaster. Not quite great oil paintings, but it's a living :) Thanks for the pointer! Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:28 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request Arthur, Here's a decent example. http://dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex14/fadeinslideshow.htm Description: An auto-rotating slideshow with a cross browser twist- the images are gently faded into view. The fade effect works in both IE4+ and NS6+, with the slide portion functional in all browsers. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:55 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Site Request A friend for whom I did a simple website now wants to get fancy. Specifically, he wants to open the show with a photo and then have the photo fade out and a second photo to fade in, after a designated number of seconds. Web-dev is not my forte, and I have no idea how to do this. Help? Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jun 7 10:48:23 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:48:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB82@ALCUXB> We're using Crystal Reports and Excel because the development team have been using Crystal Reports, and I know Excel... afaik, no-one here has used Access (including me), so we don't have the slightest clue where to start. And we think we're getting that message because we didn't "tie the tables together" if that makes any sense to you - it was trying to process a bajillion bits of data and couldn't. According to our "experts"... :-) What we've done now works ok, so I assume we've fixed it, or are doing it correctly, but thanks :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 16:34 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports I don't know about Crystal Reports, but I do regular Access Reports and queries from Oracle Databases all the time and have no problems. How many rows are you dealing with? Why are you using Excel? I wonder if the Excel limit of 65K rows is causing a problem? Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:12 +0100 > >I've got an Oracle database which I'm trying to write a report from, by >extracting data through Cystal Report and/or Excel (MS Query). I'm using >Win2k, Office 2k and Crystal Reports 9.0 sp3 on a P4 1.5 with 512mb RAM and >2048mb page file, and I keep getting the message "memory full"... which is >slightly annoying to say the least. > >Does anyone have any ideas how I'd get around that? > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 10:56:07 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:56:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports Message-ID: Ahhhh. Bad or missing join. Cartesian product http://www.metrokc.gov/gis/kb/Content/SQLTipJoin.htm Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues'" >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:48:23 +0100 > >We're using Crystal Reports and Excel because the development team have >been >using Crystal Reports, and I know Excel... afaik, no-one here has used >Access (including me), so we don't have the slightest clue where to start. > >And we think we're getting that message because we didn't "tie the tables >together" if that makes any sense to you - it was trying to process a >bajillion bits of data and couldn't. According to our "experts"... :-) > >What we've done now works ok, so I assume we've fixed it, or are doing it >correctly, but thanks :-) > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] >Sent: 07 June 2004 16:34 >To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports > > >I don't know about Crystal Reports, but I do regular Access Reports and >queries from Oracle Databases all the time and have no problems. How many >rows are you dealing with? Why are you using Excel? I wonder if the Excel >limit of 65K rows is causing a problem? > >Gary Kjos >garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: Jon Tydda > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:12 +0100 > > > >I've got an Oracle database which I'm trying to write a report from, by > >extracting data through Cystal Report and/or Excel (MS Query). I'm using > >Win2k, Office 2k and Crystal Reports 9.0 sp3 on a P4 1.5 with 512mb RAM >and > >2048mb page file, and I keep getting the message "memory full"... which >is > >slightly annoying to say the least. > > > >Does anyone have any ideas how I'd get around that? > > > > > >Jon > > > > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 7 13:48:19 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:48:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612D3A@NEWMAN_EXC> Message-ID: Brenda, Thanks for the response. This particular app doesn't have much for the user to do besides clicking icons, picking from combo box lists or checking checkboxes. There is rarely a need for typing (one notes field which is rarely used). Do you think clicking/picking from a list is more difficult on a tablet? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische, Brenda L. Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC One of my databases is absolutely awesome on a tablet without modification. The handwriting recognition allows paramedics to enter their narrative on ambulance runs without typing ! But other things are harder to do with a pen than with a mouse. I think the application should be looked at for usability on a case-by-case basis. Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 From blreische at mdh.org Mon Jun 7 14:02:18 2004 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:02:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612D3C@NEWMAN_EXC> >Do you think clicking/picking from a list is more difficult on a tablet? I think some 'computer challenged' people have expressed difficulties using the pen for drop downs. The magnetic pens aren't exactly accurate. The probem comes when they click on the combo drop down icon, then they "hover" the pen over the choices until they highlight the one they want, then they touch it. As long as the font size is big enough to make that process work, it's ok, but the screen size of the tablets is fairly small on the ones we have, so it was an issue for us. If your end-users are good users it will probably work ok. The radio buttons &/or check boxes work excellent on tablets. HTH, Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] From john at winhaven.net Mon Jun 7 16:03:04 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:03:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612D3C@NEWMAN_EXC> Message-ID: Brenda, Thanks this will be helpful. I have recommended in the past that they set their resolution to 640x400 or 800x600 (this is a survey application they use in a vehicle) so that it is esier to select things with those funky little laptop pointer devices. I would imagine that the same would hold true for tablets and their funky little pointer devices. Would you agree? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische, Brenda L. Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC >Do you think clicking/picking from a list is more difficult on a tablet? I think some 'computer challenged' people have expressed difficulties using the pen for drop downs. The magnetic pens aren't exactly accurate. The probem comes when they click on the combo drop down icon, then they "hover" the pen over the choices until they highlight the one they want, then they touch it. As long as the font size is big enough to make that process work, it's ok, but the screen size of the tablets is fairly small on the ones we have, so it was an issue for us. If your end-users are good users it will probably work ok. The radio buttons &/or check boxes work excellent on tablets. HTH, Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 8 03:40:14 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:40:14 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB85@ALCUXB> Thanks Gary, I'll pass this on. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 16:56 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports Ahhhh. Bad or missing join. Cartesian product http://www.metrokc.gov/gis/kb/Content/SQLTipJoin.htm Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues'" >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:48:23 +0100 > >We're using Crystal Reports and Excel because the development team have >been >using Crystal Reports, and I know Excel... afaik, no-one here has used >Access (including me), so we don't have the slightest clue where to start. > >And we think we're getting that message because we didn't "tie the tables >together" if that makes any sense to you - it was trying to process a >bajillion bits of data and couldn't. According to our "experts"... :-) > >What we've done now works ok, so I assume we've fixed it, or are doing it >correctly, but thanks :-) > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] >Sent: 07 June 2004 16:34 >To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports > > >I don't know about Crystal Reports, but I do regular Access Reports and >queries from Oracle Databases all the time and have no problems. How many >rows are you dealing with? Why are you using Excel? I wonder if the Excel >limit of 65K rows is causing a problem? > >Gary Kjos >garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: Jon Tydda > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:12 +0100 > > > >I've got an Oracle database which I'm trying to write a report from, by > >extracting data through Cystal Report and/or Excel (MS Query). I'm using > >Win2k, Office 2k and Crystal Reports 9.0 sp3 on a P4 1.5 with 512mb RAM >and > >2048mb page file, and I keep getting the message "memory full"... which >is > >slightly annoying to say the least. > > > >Does anyone have any ideas how I'd get around that? > > > > > >Jon > > > > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 06:34:50 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:34:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <021701c4499d$03824a60$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000801c44d4c$9cb24ac0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> For those looking for a great value in laptops: http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 range. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Perry: The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Harold" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Hi Rocky > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > site and > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for small > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > that you probably should opt to include. > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > still is a > need for a device to communicate with. > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The > prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to > get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it > at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > Perry Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB HD, > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and parallel > ports. > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, > 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, > memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > Any opinions? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > laptop when > it's running on battery power. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Jon: > > What is speedstep technology? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Rocky > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - > I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > over that will suit > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of > RAM on it will do. > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged into > the mains. > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > that you > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling > the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 > (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you > can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a > new pc yet. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Francisco: > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & > 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. > The big > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > have a machine of his own. > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box > for that. > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to work > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > as my wife, the writer. > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in > a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can > just get > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Jun 8 07:28:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:28:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <000801c44d4c$9cb24ac0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <002001c44d54$16ad1510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and > this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a > "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 > range. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Perry: > > The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code > 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Harold" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > > site > and > > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for > small > > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > > that you probably should opt to include. > > > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > > still is > a > > need for a device to communicate with. > > > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The > > prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to > > get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it > > at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > > > Perry Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB > HD, > > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and > parallel > > ports. > > > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, > > 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, > > memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > > laptop > when > > it's running on battery power. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Jon: > > > > What is speedstep technology? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Rocky > > > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - > > I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > > over that will > suit > > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of > > RAM on it will do. > > > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > > performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged > into > > the mains. > > > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > > that > you > > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling > > the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 > > (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you > > can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a > > new pc yet. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Francisco: > > > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & > > 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. > > The > big > > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > > have a machine of his own. > > > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box > > for that. > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to > work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my wife, the writer. > > > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in > > a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can > > just > get > > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Tue Jun 8 07:33:08 2004 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:33:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000801c44d4c$9cb24ac0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <001801c44d54$c1425d00$3500a8c0@dabsight> I know you said "desktop replacement", but how long does the battery last when it's being used seriously? JohnR > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 08 June 2004 12:35 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just > bought one and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the > features you need for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. > Best value out there in the $1250 range. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Perry: > > The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value > Code 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Harold" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > > site > and > > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about > the same for > small > > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > > that you probably should opt to include. > > > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > > still is > a > > need for a device to communicate with. > > > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well > also. The > > prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also > configure to > > get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was > able to get it > > at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > > > Perry Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB > HD, > > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and > parallel > > ports. > > > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, > 512MB RAM, > > 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 > NIC, modem, > > memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > > laptop > when > > it's running on battery power. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Jon: > > > > What is speedstep technology? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Rocky > > > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is > up to you - > > I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > > over that will > suit > > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything > with 128mb of > > RAM on it will do. > > > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > > performance through using less power etc when the laptop > isn't plugged > into > > the mains. > > > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > > that > you > > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they > stop selling > > the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" > motherboard and P4 > > (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you > > can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to > spend ?600 on a > > new pc yet. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Francisco: > > > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have > two boys 7 & > > 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey > Celeron tower. > > The > big > > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > > have a machine of his own. > > > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use > the other box > > for that. > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to > be able to > work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my wife, the writer. > > > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can > sit down in > > a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I > suppose you can > > just > get > > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 8 10:17:43 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:17:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <002001c44d54$16ad1510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <000801c44d4c$9cb24ac0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> <002001c44d54$16ad1510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <40C5D897.3030201@verizon.net> I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > >>For those looking for a great value in laptops: >> >>http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 >> >>Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and >>this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a >>"desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 >>range. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - >>Beach Access Software >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >>Perry: >> >>The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code >>64984-S80611o for what it's worth. >> >>Rocky >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Perry Harold" >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >> >>>Hi Rocky >>> >>>Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's >>>site >> >>and >> >>>for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for >> >>small >> >>>business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro >>>that you probably should opt to include. >>> >>>Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there >>>still is >> >>a >> >>>need for a device to communicate with. >>> >>>Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to >>>jump quick to take advantage of them. >>> >>>We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the >>>screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone >>>for the SXGA rather than XGA. >>> >>>I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The >>>prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to >>>get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it >>>at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) >>> >>>Perry Harold >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, >>>Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I >>>thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP >>>Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB >> >>HD, >> >>>14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and >> >>parallel >> >>>ports. >>> >>>Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, >>>15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, >>>memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. >>> >>>Any opinions? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your >>>laptop >> >>when >> >>>it's running on battery power. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Jon: >>> >>>What is speedstep technology? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need >>>512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - >>>I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs >>>nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything >>>over that will >> >>suit >> >>>Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to >>>consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of >>>RAM on it will do. >>> >>>The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and >>>performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged >> >>into >> >>>the mains. >>> >>>Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found >>>that >> >>you >> >>>can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling >>>the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 >>>(ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you >>>can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a >>>new pc yet. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Francisco: >>> >>>Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & >>>14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. >>>The >> >>big >> >>>guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to >>>have a machine of his own. >>> >>>He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet >>>research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box >>>for that. >>> >>>Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to >> >>work >> >>>anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well >>>as my wife, the writer. >>> >>>So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although >>>I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. >>> >>>The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in >>>a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can >>>just >> >>get >> >>>a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? >>> >>>Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with >>>512mb RAM, DVD, etc. >>> >>>Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. >>> >>>So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 8 10:47:53 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:47:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <40C5D897.3030201@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > >>For those looking for a great value in laptops: >> >>http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 >> >>Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and >>this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a >>"desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 >>range. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - >>Beach Access Software >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >>Perry: >> >>The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code >>64984-S80611o for what it's worth. >> >>Rocky >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Perry Harold" >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >> >>>Hi Rocky >>> >>>Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's >>>site >> >>and >> >>>for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for >> >>small >> >>>business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro >>>that you probably should opt to include. >>> >>>Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there >>>still is >> >>a >> >>>need for a device to communicate with. >>> >>>Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to >>>jump quick to take advantage of them. >>> >>>We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the >>>screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone >>>for the SXGA rather than XGA. >>> >>>I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The >>>prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to >>>get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it >>>at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) >>> >>>Perry Harold >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, >>>Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I >>>thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP >>>Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB >> >>HD, >> >>>14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and >> >>parallel >> >>>ports. >>> >>>Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, >>>15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, >>>memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. >>> >>>Any opinions? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your >>>laptop >> >>when >> >>>it's running on battery power. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Jon: >>> >>>What is speedstep technology? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need >>>512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - >>>I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs >>>nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything >>>over that will >> >>suit >> >>>Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to >>>consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of >>>RAM on it will do. >>> >>>The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and >>>performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged >> >>into >> >>>the mains. >>> >>>Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found >>>that >> >>you >> >>>can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling >>>the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 >>>(ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you >>>can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a >>>new pc yet. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Francisco: >>> >>>Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & >>>14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. >>>The >> >>big >> >>>guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to >>>have a machine of his own. >>> >>>He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet >>>research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box >>>for that. >>> >>>Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to >> >>work >> >>>anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well >>>as my wife, the writer. >>> >>>So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although >>>I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. >>> >>>The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in >>>a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can >>>just >> >>get >> >>>a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? >>> >>>Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with >>>512mb RAM, DVD, etc. >>> >>>Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. >>> >>>So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 8 10:51:52 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:51:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB92@ALCUXB> Is that the overall rating or just the processor rating? I have a rating of 140 on my home pc, but that's because I have 512mb RAM (more than the 384 of the benchmark) and I've given it 10 gb of space instead of the 5 on the benchmark. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 16:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 8 11:02:21 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:02:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB92@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Jon, That is the processor rating. My current overall rating is 163, processor is 179 (AMD 1.8), memory is 267 (1 gig ram), storage is 118 (5.86 gigs of hdd), network is 65 (3Com ADSL PCI). jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Is that the overall rating or just the processor rating? I have a rating of 140 on my home pc, but that's because I have 512mb RAM (more than the 384 of the benchmark) and I've given it 10 gb of space instead of the 5 on the benchmark. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 16:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 8 11:03:19 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:03:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB93@ALCUXB> Sorry forgot to mention that I'm using a P3 700... and my network rating is 20 odd because I'm on an 11mb WiFi link, with ADSL... Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 17:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, That is the processor rating. My current overall rating is 163, processor is 179 (AMD 1.8), memory is 267 (1 gig ram), storage is 118 (5.86 gigs of hdd), network is 65 (3Com ADSL PCI). jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Is that the overall rating or just the processor rating? I have a rating of 140 on my home pc, but that's because I have 512mb RAM (more than the 384 of the benchmark) and I've given it 10 gb of space instead of the 5 on the benchmark. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 16:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Jun 8 10:57:29 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:57:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken, floating point calculations have always been the strongest feature of AMD processors. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > >>For those looking for a great value in laptops: >> >>http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 >> >>Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and >>this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a >>"desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 >>range. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - >>Beach Access Software >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >>Perry: >> >>The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code >>64984-S80611o for what it's worth. >> >>Rocky >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Perry Harold" >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >> >>>Hi Rocky >>> >>>Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's >>>site >> >>and >> >>>for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for >> >>small >> >>>business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro >>>that you probably should opt to include. >>> >>>Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there >>>still is >> >>a >> >>>need for a device to communicate with. >>> >>>Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to >>>jump quick to take advantage of them. >>> >>>We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the >>>screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone >>>for the SXGA rather than XGA. >>> >>>I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The >>>prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to >>>get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it >>>at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) >>> >>>Perry Harold >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, >>>Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I >>>thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP >>>Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB >> >>HD, >> >>>14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and >> >>parallel >> >>>ports. >>> >>>Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, >>>15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, >>>memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. >>> >>>Any opinions? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your >>>laptop >> >>when >> >>>it's running on battery power. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Jon: >>> >>>What is speedstep technology? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need >>>512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - >>>I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs >>>nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything >>>over that will >> >>suit >> >>>Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to >>>consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of >>>RAM on it will do. >>> >>>The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and >>>performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged >> >>into >> >>>the mains. >>> >>>Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found >>>that >> >>you >> >>>can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling >>>the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 >>>(ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you >>>can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a >>>new pc yet. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Francisco: >>> >>>Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & >>>14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. >>>The >> >>big >> >>>guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to >>>have a machine of his own. >>> >>>He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet >>>research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box >>>for that. >>> >>>Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to >> >>work >> >>>anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well >>>as my wife, the writer. >>> >>>So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although >>>I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. >>> >>>The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in >>>a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can >>>just >> >>get >> >>>a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? >>> >>>Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with >>>512mb RAM, DVD, etc. >>> >>>Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. >>> >>>So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 8 11:19:59 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:19:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, but going back 13 years, I almost remember that being one of the the main reasons for choosing the AMD 386 DX40 over Intel, however the overall price/performance advantage did weigh in. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation If I'm not mistaken, floating point calculations have always been the strongest feature of AMD processors. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > >>For those looking for a great value in laptops: >> >>http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 >> >>Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one and >>this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need for a >>"desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in the $1250 >>range. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - >>Beach Access Software >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >>Perry: >> >>The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code >>64984-S80611o for what it's worth. >> >>Rocky >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Perry Harold" >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >> >> >> >>>Hi Rocky >>> >>>Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's >>>site >> >>and >> >>>for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same for >> >>small >> >>>business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro >>>that you probably should opt to include. >>> >>>Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there >>>still is >> >>a >> >>>need for a device to communicate with. >>> >>>Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to >>>jump quick to take advantage of them. >>> >>>We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the >>>screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone >>>for the SXGA rather than XGA. >>> >>>I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. The >>>prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also configure to >>>get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was able to get it >>>at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) >>> >>>Perry Harold >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >>>Smolin - Beach Access Software >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, >>>Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I >>>thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP >>>Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB >> >>HD, >> >>>14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and >> >>parallel >> >>>ports. >>> >>>Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB RAM, >>>15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, modem, >>>memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. >>> >>>Any opinions? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your >>>laptop >> >>when >> >>>it's running on battery power. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Jon: >>> >>>What is speedstep technology? >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jon Tydda" >>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM >>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Rocky >>> >>>Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need >>>512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you - >>>I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs >>>nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything >>>over that will >> >>suit >> >>>Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to >>>consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb of >>>RAM on it will do. >>> >>>The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and >>>performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't plugged >> >>into >> >>>the mains. >>> >>>Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found >>>that >> >>you >> >>>can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop selling >>>the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" motherboard and P4 >>>(ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you >>>can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to spend ?600 on a >>>new pc yet. >>> >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >>>Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation >>> >>> >>>Francisco: >>> >>>Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 & >>>14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron tower. >>>The >> >>big >> >>>guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to >>>have a machine of his own. >>> >>>He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet >>>research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other box >>>for that. >>> >>>Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able to >> >>work >> >>>anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well >>>as my wife, the writer. >>> >>>So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although >>>I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. >>> >>>The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down in >>>a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you can >>>just >> >>get >> >>>a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? >>> >>>Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with >>>512mb RAM, DVD, etc. >>> >>>Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. >>> >>>So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 8 11:22:21 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:22:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB95@ALCUXB> So what are floating point calculations all about? And if AMD are that good, why are Intel the much bigger company with 95% of the market? Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 17:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, but going back 13 years, I almost remember that being one of the the main reasons for choosing the AMD 386 DX40 over Intel, however the overall price/performance advantage did weigh in. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation If I'm not mistaken, floating point calculations have always been the strongest feature of AMD processors. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 8 11:28:44 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:28:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB93@ALCUXB> Message-ID: My average points per hour was at 14. something while UD was running on an Athlon 1.2, I forget the CPU rating. The average points per hour has crept up to almost 19 since building the box with the 2500 1.8. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Sorry forgot to mention that I'm using a P3 700... and my network rating is 20 odd because I'm on an 11mb WiFi link, with ADSL... Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 17:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Jon, That is the processor rating. My current overall rating is 163, processor is 179 (AMD 1.8), memory is 267 (1 gig ram), storage is 118 (5.86 gigs of hdd), network is 65 (3Com ADSL PCI). jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:52 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Is that the overall rating or just the processor rating? I have a rating of 140 on my home pc, but that's because I have 512mb RAM (more than the 384 of the benchmark) and I've given it 10 gb of space instead of the 5 on the benchmark. Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 16:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software said the following on 6/8/2004 5:28 AM: > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 8 12:06:42 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:06:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB95@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Computer math falls into two major categories, integer and floating point. The location of a decimal point can be moved or "floated" according to it's precision. Integer math results in round numbers and is limited in size based on whether it is a small integer, normally 2 bytes or a long integer, normally 4 bytes. Floating point math results in numbers with a decimal point or a large number that can not be represented as an integer. I know less than nothing about processor architecture, but read that AMD's floating point engine was better than Intel's, or maybe that the AMD design was based on RISC technology which added and extra calculation engine? Just my take on thing: Since Intel was the first kid on the block they probably were more profitable early due to minimal competition than they are now which made them a financially stronger company. I think that AMD and others had to go heavily into debt to try and catch up, and do a lot of price cutting just to buy market share. Intel has had a head start, more resources for R&D and advertising, is firmly entrenched in corporate America as most CIOs cringe at the mention of AMD, and they have several exclusive agreements with some large system houses such as Dell. My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang for my buck with AMD. I may very well be wrong about all of this, but that is my opinion. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:22 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation So what are floating point calculations all about? And if AMD are that good, why are Intel the much bigger company with 95% of the market? Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 17:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, but going back 13 years, I almost remember that being one of the the main reasons for choosing the AMD 386 DX40 over Intel, however the overall price/performance advantage did weigh in. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation If I'm not mistaken, floating point calculations have always been the strongest feature of AMD processors. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From blreische at mdh.org Tue Jun 8 13:43:03 2004 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:43:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612D46@NEWMAN_EXC> The thing the users have trouble with on the funky tablet pointers is that the magnetic pen may have an option highlighted, but when you "touch" the pen head to the screen, it may 'slip' to a different option. I would think that after using them a while you would get used to it and it wouldn't be a big problem, but ... The resolution is best at 640 or 800. The median age here is likely about the time everyone starts getting bi-focals. They just have too much trouble seeing smaller text, especially with the display brightness set to not the highest possible level to save battery life. Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC Brenda, Thanks this will be helpful. I have recommended in the past that they set their resolution to 640x400 or 800x600 (this is a survey application they use in a vehicle) so that it is esier to select things with those funky little laptop pointer devices. I would imagine that the same would hold true for tablets and their funky little pointer devices. Would you agree? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische, Brenda L. Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access on Tablet PC >Do you think clicking/picking from a list is more difficult on a >tablet? I think some 'computer challenged' people have expressed difficulties using the pen for drop downs. The magnetic pens aren't exactly accurate. The probem comes when they click on the combo drop down icon, then they "hover" the pen over the choices until they highlight the one they want, then they touch it. As long as the font size is big enough to make that process work, it's ok, but the screen size of the tablets is fairly small on the ones we have, so it was an issue for us. If your end-users are good users it will probably work ok. The radio buttons &/or check boxes work excellent on tablets. HTH, Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 15:49:50 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:49:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <001801c44d54$c1425d00$3500a8c0@dabsight> Message-ID: <000b01c44d9a$24b79590$7e01a8c0@colbyws> It clocks back when on battery, but that can be over-ridden. About 3+ hours. Again depends on what you are doing. Lowering the screen intensity helps. Watching a DVD hurts. One of the enthusiasts overclocked the processor as well as the graphics card and ended up with just 1/2 hour of battery time. ;-) http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73 Has a ton of threads on this machine. The owners remind me of Mac owners, a real fan club! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:33 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I know you said "desktop replacement", but how long does the battery last when it's being used seriously? JohnR > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 08 June 2004 12:35 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just > bought one and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the > features you need for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. > Best value out there in the $1250 range. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Perry: > > The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value > Code 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Harold" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > > site > and > > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about > the same for > small > > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > > that you probably should opt to include. > > > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > > still is > a > > need for a device to communicate with. > > > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well > also. The > > prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also > configure to > > get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was > able to get it > > at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > > > Perry Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB > HD, > > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and > parallel > > ports. > > > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, > 512MB RAM, > > 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 > NIC, modem, > > memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > > laptop > when > > it's running on battery power. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Jon: > > > > What is speedstep technology? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Rocky > > > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is > up to you - > > I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > > over that will > suit > > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything > with 128mb of > > RAM on it will do. > > > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > > performance through using less power etc when the laptop > isn't plugged > into > > the mains. > > > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > > that > you > > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they > stop selling > > the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" > motherboard and P4 > > (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about ?150-200, but you > > can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't want to > spend ?600 on a > > new pc yet. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Francisco: > > > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have > two boys 7 & > > 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey > Celeron tower. > > The > big > > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > > have a machine of his own. > > > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use > the other box > > for that. > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to > be able to > work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my wife, the writer. > > > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can > sit down in > > a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I > suppose you can > > just > get > > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 15:59:06 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <002001c44d54$16ad1510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000c01c44d9b$704bc520$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Rocky, This is a true 64 bit machine. 64 bit software doesn't exist yet, although Windows 64 is in beta. No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 years, 64 bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage due to 64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well to Intel's best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes along, it will be able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but then I didn't! ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one > and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need > for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in > the $1250 range. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Perry: > > The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code > 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Harold" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > > site > and > > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same > > for > small > > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > > that you probably should opt to include. > > > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > > still is > a > > need for a device to communicate with. > > > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. > > The prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also > > configure to get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was > > able to get it at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > > > Perry Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB > HD, > > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and > parallel > > ports. > > > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB > > RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, > > modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > > laptop > when > > it's running on battery power. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Jon: > > > > What is speedstep technology? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Rocky > > > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you > > - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > > over that will > suit > > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb > > of RAM on it will do. > > > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > > performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't > > plugged > into > > the mains. > > > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > > that > you > > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop > > selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" > > motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about > > ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't > > want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Francisco: > > > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 > > & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron > > tower. The > big > > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > > have a machine of his own. > > > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other > > box for that. > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able > > to > work > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > as my wife, the writer. > > > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down > > in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you > > can just > get > > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 15:59:06 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c44d9b$709f1540$7e01a8c0@colbyws> >My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. Yes, Intel is a fine company and makes fine processors. AMD is the little guy making slightly better processors for slightly less. Add the two slightly and you get a fair "bang for the buck" advantage going with AMD. >It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang for my buck with AMD. Mine too. Unlike MS where there is no competition, the processor market has some. I buy AMD for two reasons. 1.) Their product is good, slightly better (for the price) than Intel's and.. 2.) If Intel ever does "own" the market as MS does, their prices will go up. So I support the competition. Microprocessor design / production is not something you can do in your garage and create a competitor for the giant company. It takes bucks, BIG bucks. Intel has BIG bucks to throw at research / design as well as fab plants. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Computer math falls into two major categories, integer and floating point. The location of a decimal point can be moved or "floated" according to it's precision. Integer math results in round numbers and is limited in size based on whether it is a small integer, normally 2 bytes or a long integer, normally 4 bytes. Floating point math results in numbers with a decimal point or a large number that can not be represented as an integer. I know less than nothing about processor architecture, but read that AMD's floating point engine was better than Intel's, or maybe that the AMD design was based on RISC technology which added and extra calculation engine? Just my take on thing: Since Intel was the first kid on the block they probably were more profitable early due to minimal competition than they are now which made them a financially stronger company. I think that AMD and others had to go heavily into debt to try and catch up, and do a lot of price cutting just to buy market share. Intel has had a head start, more resources for R&D and advertising, is firmly entrenched in corporate America as most CIOs cringe at the mention of AMD, and they have several exclusive agreements with some large system houses such as Dell. My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang for my buck with AMD. I may very well be wrong about all of this, but that is my opinion. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:22 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation So what are floating point calculations all about? And if AMD are that good, why are Intel the much bigger company with 95% of the market? Jon -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: 08 June 2004 17:20 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, but going back 13 years, I almost remember that being one of the the main reasons for choosing the AMD 386 DX40 over Intel, however the overall price/performance advantage did weigh in. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation If I'm not mistaken, floating point calculations have always been the strongest feature of AMD processors. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've been using AMD processors for 13 years and never owned an Intel processor, but the United Devices cancer research program that runs on my AMD Athlon 2500 (1.8 ghz) speaks volumes to me about AMD vs Intel performance comparisons. The benchmark system for the UD program is a 1.5 GHz P4 and has a rating of 100. My AMD 1.8GHz machine consistently produces rating numbers in the 170 - 180 area. Most other volunteer participants report similar results. An interesting fact is that the UD Cancer research program is partially sponsored by Intel, which doesn't necessarily mean that their code is optimized for Intel processors, but I'd say that it's not likely optimized for AMD processors either. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm looking towards the AMD64 laptops for my next pc/laptop. Athlon's for me have performed leaps and bounds over P4's. In fact, Ghz per Ghz, I have an AMD 2000 (1.6ghz) at home and a P4 1.6ghz at work, and can you guess wich runs faster? :) with the new batch of AMD64 they are putting dual cores so that's one other reason i'm holding off, that and the next gen in video connectivity (pciexpress) i'm sure they'll have something similar for laptops that or the adaption that ATI was working on for replacable video cards :o) The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Jun 8 17:51:59 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <000c01c44d9b$704bc520$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <028201c44dab$354335c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I'm favorably impressed with eMachines as well. My father in law buys 'em and they've been rock solid. Pundit's using one now. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Rocky, > > This is a true 64 bit machine. 64 bit software doesn't exist yet, although > Windows 64 is in beta. No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 years, 64 > bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage due to > 64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well to Intel's > best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes along, it will be > able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but then I > didn't! > > ;-) > > > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:28 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of 'deal' > only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to make it a > real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought one > > and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you need > > for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out there in > > the $1250 range. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Perry: > > > > The Inspiron was in a brochure that came in the mail. E-Value Code > > 64984-S80611o for what it's worth. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Perry Harold" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:48 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Where did you see the Inspiron 600M for $700? Just checked Dell's > > > site > > and > > > for home/home office it's $1362 for that model and about the same > > > for > > small > > > business. That doesn't include the upgrade to 15" screen and XP Pro > > > that you probably should opt to include. > > > > > > Mobile technology is optimized for mobile communication but there > > > still is > > a > > > need for a device to communicate with. > > > > > > Most of Dell's specials only last for a couple days so you have to > > > jump quick to take advantage of them. > > > > > > We have 3 Latitude D500 which I'm very pleased with other than the > > > screen crispness isn't what I would like to have. Should have gone > > > for the SXGA rather than XGA. > > > > > > I have a Systemax that I use at home which I like very well also. > > > The prices are fairly comparable to Dell's and you can also > > > configure to get what you want. (Disclaimer - I sell these so I was > > > able to get it at "wholesale" which influenced me some on this one.) > > > > > > Perry Harold > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:15 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > Dell is offering their Inspiron 600m for $700. Pentium M at 1.5GHz, > > > Intel PROWireless 2100 802.11b 11Mbps Mini-PCI Wireless Card (I > > > thought with the mobile technology you didn't need a card), Win XP > > > Home, 5123MB RAM, 40GB > > HD, > > > 14.1 inch XGA TFT Display, CD Burner/DVD Combo, includes serial and > > parallel > > > ports. > > > > > > Fry's has the Sony Vaio for $1200: P4, 2.8GHz, CD-RW/DVD, 512MB > > > RAM, 15 inch XGA TFT display, 40GB HD, Integrated WiFi, 10/100 NIC, > > > modem, memory stick slot, WIN XP Home. > > > > > > Any opinions? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:54 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > It's an Intel thing - decreases the amount of power used by your > > > laptop > > when > > > it's running on battery power. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:53 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > Jon: > > > > > > What is speedstep technology? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:35 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > Speaking in my capacity as a techy/notwork guy/fiddler, you'll need > > > 512mb RAM as a minimum for any pc now. The mobile chip is up to you > > > - I got an 11mb PCMCIA wifi card for $10 from Ebay, so that costs > > > nothing in comparison. Starcraft runs on my p3-500 pc, so anything > > > over that will > > suit > > > Max, but if he's going to upgrade his games, you might want to > > > consider a vaguely hefty graphics card - really anything with 128mb > > > of RAM on it will do. > > > > > > The speedstep technology is good though - increases battery life and > > > performance through using less power etc when the laptop isn't > > > plugged > > into > > > the mains. > > > > > > Through looking to buy a "cheap" system on the internet, I've found > > > that > > you > > > can't build a pc for much cheaper than ?600, because they stop > > > selling the low end chips... I wanted to get a "cheapish" > > > motherboard and P4 (ie a 1.4 or so) to upgrade my pc, spending about > > > ?150-200, but you can't buy them anymore... so stupid... I don't > > > want to spend ?600 on a new pc yet. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 03 June 2004 14:21 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > > > Francisco: > > > > > > Well, sorry, finally getting back to this thread. I have two boys 7 > > > & 14 and they share a machine right now - a rather pokey Celeron > > > tower. The > > big > > > guy, Max, starts high school in September and it's time for him to > > > have a machine of his own. > > > > > > He'll just be doing mostly word processing, email, and internet > > > research. Likes to play Starcraft on line but he can use the other > > > box for that. > > > > > > Although I've resisted it (I work at home and DON'T WANT to be able > > > to > > work > > > anywhere), I'm thinking a laptop would have some uses for me as well > > > as my wife, the writer. > > > > > > So it's got to be powerful enough to do Access development, although > > > I'll only be using it when I travel which is not much. > > > > > > The idea of the mobile chip is attractive because you can sit down > > > in a coffeehouse anywhere and be on the internet. But I suppose you > > > can just > > get > > > a PCMCIA Access Point and that will do the same thing? > > > > > > Fry's was pushing the Sony Vaio the other day for about $1200 with > > > 512mb RAM, DVD, etc. > > > > > > Dell looks like they've got some good deals now. > > > > > > So that's the motivation and the needs. What's everybody think? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 8 18:46:43 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:46:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000c01c44d9b$704bc520$7e01a8c0@colbyws> References: <000c01c44d9b$704bc520$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <40C64FE3.9000903@verizon.net> jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >Rocky, > >This is a true 64 bit machine. > I don't remember if the AMD64(Opteron's) are 32 bit w/ 64bit extention hybrids internal dual cores that choose to run 32/64bit as requested. In anycase, they run natively in either platform. >64 bit software doesn't exist yet, although >Windows 64 is in beta. > well not retail windows anyways... http://www.suse.com/us/private/index.html and then there's Mandrake 10.0 >No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 years, 64 >bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage due to >64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well to Intel's >best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes along, it will be >able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but then I >didn't! > I can't find anything currently that is 64bit based that is not SERVER only software... :| -- -Francisco From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 19:10:45 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:10:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <40C64FE3.9000903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001001c44db6$3679e000$7e01a8c0@colbyws> BTW, I think I have seen people running Linux on this machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >Rocky, > >This is a true 64 bit machine. > I don't remember if the AMD64(Opteron's) are 32 bit w/ 64bit extention hybrids internal dual cores that choose to run 32/64bit as requested. In anycase, they run natively in either platform. >64 bit software doesn't exist yet, although >Windows 64 is in beta. > well not retail windows anyways... http://www.suse.com/us/private/index.html and then there's Mandrake 10.0 >No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 years, 64 >bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage >due to 64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well >to Intel's best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes >along, it will be able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium >for it, but then I didn't! > I can't find anything currently that is 64bit based that is not SERVER only software... :| -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 8 21:08:05 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:08:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <028201c44dab$354335c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001101c44dc6$9a255de0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Rocky, This is not the eMachines of old. The company is not the same company, and the machine is just a rebranded machine anyway. We all know Dell doesn't make Dell Laptops, neither does eMachines. In any case, I love this thing so far. My only gripe is that it comes with WinXP Personal. I will eventually buy the WinXP pro upgrade. And of course at 7.5 lbs plus power it isn't light, but really, it's about the same weight as my 6 year old PII 233 Toshiba doorstop (now a permanent email kiosk up in the kitchen). Display: 15.4" Widescreen TFT LCD WXGA (1280 x 800 max. resolution) Operating System: MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Home Edition CPU: Mobile AMD AthlonT 64 3000+ Processor 64-bit Architecture operates at 1.800 GHz System Bus uses HyperTransportT Technology operating at 1600 MHz 1 MB L2 Cache Memory: 512 MB DDR SODIMM (PC 2700) Hard Drive: 60 GB HDD Optical Drives: CDRW/DVD Combo Drive (24x24x24 CD-RW; 8x max. DVD-ROM) Media Reader: 6-in-1 Digital Media Manger (Compact Flash, Micro Drive, MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro) Video: ATIR Mobility RADEONT 9600 with 64 MB Video RAM Sound: PC2001 Compliant AC '97 Audio Built-in Stereo Speakers Modem: 56K* ITU V.92 Fax/Modem Network: 802.11g Built-in Wireless (up to 54Mbps) 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet Pointing Device: Touchpad with Vertical Scroll Zone Battery: 8-cell Lithium-ion (Li-ion) Dimensions: 1.6"h x 14.0"w x 10.4"d Weight: 7.5 lbs. (8.65 total travel weight) Ports/Other: 4 USB 2.0 ports, 1 IEEE 1394, 1 VGA External Connector, 1 S-Video Out, Microphone In, Headphone/Audio Out, 1 PCMCIA Slot (Card Bus type I or type II) Pretty awsome specs I think! In case you're wondering, 4200 rpm hard drive is pretty much the standard on laptops due to power and heat reasons. Faster HDs are available (aftermarket) but to get up in the 7200 range are EXPENSIVE. This is one nice machine, and only 1499.99 + tax, minus $250 in rebates. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I'm favorably impressed with eMachines as well. My father in law buys 'em and they've been rock solid. Pundit's using one now. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Rocky, > > This is a true 64 bit machine. 64 bit software doesn't exist yet, although > Windows 64 is in beta. No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 > years, 64 > bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage > due to > 64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well to Intel's > best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes along, it will > be able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but > then I didn't! > > ;-) > > > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:28 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of > 'deal' only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to > make it a real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought > > one and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you > > need for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out > > there in the $1250 range. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Jun 8 21:37:36 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:37:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation References: <001101c44dc6$9a255de0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <035301c44dca$b9f3c630$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Looks like a trip to Best Buy this weekend. Have to take a look anyway. It's plenty of power for our needs. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > Rocky, > > This is not the eMachines of old. The company is not the same company, and > the machine is just a rebranded machine anyway. We all know Dell doesn't > make Dell Laptops, neither does eMachines. > > In any case, I love this thing so far. My only gripe is that it comes with > WinXP Personal. I will eventually buy the WinXP pro upgrade. > > And of course at 7.5 lbs plus power it isn't light, but really, it's about > the same weight as my 6 year old PII 233 Toshiba doorstop (now a permanent > email kiosk up in the kitchen). > > Display: 15.4" Widescreen TFT LCD WXGA (1280 x 800 max. resolution) > Operating System: MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Home Edition > CPU: Mobile AMD AthlonT 64 3000+ Processor > 64-bit Architecture operates at 1.800 GHz > System Bus uses HyperTransportT > Technology operating at 1600 MHz > 1 MB L2 Cache > Memory: 512 MB DDR SODIMM (PC 2700) > Hard Drive: 60 GB HDD > Optical Drives: CDRW/DVD Combo Drive (24x24x24 CD-RW; 8x max. DVD-ROM) > Media Reader: 6-in-1 Digital Media Manger (Compact Flash, Micro Drive, > MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro) > Video: ATIR Mobility RADEONT 9600 with 64 MB Video RAM > Sound: PC2001 Compliant AC '97 Audio > Built-in Stereo Speakers > Modem: 56K* ITU V.92 Fax/Modem > Network: 802.11g Built-in Wireless (up to 54Mbps) > 10/100Mbps built-in Ethernet > Pointing Device: Touchpad with Vertical Scroll Zone > Battery: 8-cell Lithium-ion (Li-ion) > Dimensions: 1.6"h x 14.0"w x 10.4"d > Weight: 7.5 lbs. (8.65 total travel weight) > Ports/Other: 4 USB 2.0 ports, 1 IEEE 1394, 1 VGA External Connector, 1 > S-Video Out, Microphone In, Headphone/Audio Out, 1 PCMCIA Slot (Card Bus > type I or type II) > > Pretty awsome specs I think! > > In case you're wondering, 4200 rpm hard drive is pretty much the standard on > laptops due to power and heat reasons. Faster HDs are available > (aftermarket) but to get up in the 7200 range are EXPENSIVE. > > This is one nice machine, and only 1499.99 + tax, minus $250 in rebates. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > I'm favorably impressed with eMachines as well. My father in law buys 'em > and they've been rock solid. Pundit's using one now. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:59 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > Rocky, > > > > This is a true 64 bit machine. 64 bit software doesn't exist yet, > although > > Windows 64 is in beta. No apps yet. But they are coming. In 10 > > years, > 64 > > bit will be where 32 bit is today. Will you see any speed advantage > > due > to > > 64 bit today. No, not a bit. But the proc itself holds up well to > Intel's > > best running 32 bit apps, and as the 64 bit stuff comes along, it will > > be able to run it. Personally I wouldn't pay a premium for it, but > > then I didn't! > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:28 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > Tempting. I like it when they put 512MB RAM in a machine. Lots of > > 'deal' only sport 128 then you have to figure the extra cost of RAM to > > make it a real machine. How does the Athlon compare to the Pentium? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jwcolby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:34 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > > > > > > For those looking for a great value in laptops: > > > > > > http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809 > > > > > > Available at Best Buy right now with a $250 rebate. I just bought > > > one and this is an awsome machine, well built, all the features you > > > need for a "desktop replacement" kind of system. Best value out > > > there in the $1250 range. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 9 11:02:07 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:02:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000d01c44d9b$709f1540$7e01a8c0@colbyws> References: <000d01c44d9b$709f1540$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <40C7347F.4010800@verizon.net> jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >>My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. >> >> > >Yes, Intel is a fine company and makes fine processors. AMD is the little >guy making slightly better processors for slightly less. Add the two >slightly and you get a fair "bang for the buck" advantage going with AMD. > > > I disagree, although Intel was at one point a "fine" company, they have long pushed their weight around as the dominant processor. Even w/ the leaps and bounds that AMD has done, Most people still think of AMD as a 2nd rate chip. While having experianced both P4 and Athlons, I can w/o a doubt say that ALL AMD ATHLON systems I've worked on are faster than that of their Intel P4 counterparts. I've seen it with machines w/ RAMBUS which are supposed to boast and brag about high performance and I've seen it w/ the later P4's that went DDR (and even dualchannel) >>It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang for my >> >> >buck with AMD. > >Mine too. Unlike MS where there is no competition, the processor market has >some. I buy AMD for two reasons. > >1.) Their product is good, slightly better (for the price) than Intel's >and.. >2.) If Intel ever does "own" the market as MS does, their prices will go up. >So I support the competition. > > > My boss recently picked up a 3.x ghz P4 for the office (I say x because I'm unsure if it's a 3.2 or the later 3.4... :|, in any case it's a Dell), and the system IS fast, it IS zippy, it does get off it's duff and run Windows XP like a champ, and it should w/ what 1gig of dual channel 400mhz (800mhz) DDR. However it isn't MUCH faster than my Athlon 2000+ XP NOR is it much faster than some of the other boxes I've put together running 2600+ Athlons. The true test will be when I finally get my hands on an AMD Athlon 3400+ and run it up against the P4 w/ real benchmarks... because all the systems I mentioned above can process DivX (among other software) withing frames of each other... I support AMD not to keep Intel from winning more marketshare, (no I brag about how fast AMD processors are for that ;o)). I do however BUY AMD because it does "OFFER" more BANG for the BUCK. I can get "better" performance on an AMD processor for the same money (or less) than it cost to go w/ Intel. Example...If I want to spend under $200 bucks for a an Processor+Mobo combo, I will end up with more processing power when I choose the AMD route. For me it's not about keeping Chipzilla tamed, it's about earning more processing power w/ my $$. With the Extra cash I save I can apply to get a better video card. :o) >Microprocessor design / production is not something you can do in your >garage and create a competitor for the giant company. It takes bucks, BIG >bucks. Intel has BIG bucks to throw at research / design as well as fab >plants. > > because Intel has "SUCH" big bucks, it is very disappointing to see them struggle to come up with a truely superior chip. I'm not Anti-Intel, I'm just not gonna buy something that sucks and pay more for it., I remember in the days of 386/486 chips, you HAD to go w/ Intel.. in fact PII and PIII's were all in Intel's domain, however it wasn't until the screwed around w/ trying to provide a crippled version of the PIII that they went to hell, w/ their Celeron processors running cooler and faster than the later PIII's, :O. My first AMD processor was an AMD 300mhz 3D. I bought this puppy w/ the promise that it could deliver graphics at a better price factor. there's also all the propaganda that surround AMD chips, is that they are not as stable. While there are chipset manufactures that suck, namely PCCHIPS, and then SIS in it's former years (pre-Dragon). That's not to say that Intel hasn't had it's share of problems with it's OWN chipsets, (Intel Brand). k, better get off this soapbox before I fall off :D -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 9 11:04:39 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:04:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ABA9@ALCUXB> Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 09 June 2004 17:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >>My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. >> >> > >Yes, Intel is a fine company and makes fine processors. AMD is the little >guy making slightly better processors for slightly less. Add the two >slightly and you get a fair "bang for the buck" advantage going with AMD. > > > I disagree, although Intel was at one point a "fine" company, they have long pushed their weight around as the dominant processor. Even w/ the leaps and bounds that AMD has done, Most people still think of AMD as a 2nd rate chip. While having experianced both P4 and Athlons, I can w/o a doubt say that ALL AMD ATHLON systems I've worked on are faster than that of their Intel P4 counterparts. I've seen it with machines w/ RAMBUS which are supposed to boast and brag about high performance and I've seen it w/ the later P4's that went DDR (and even dualchannel) >>It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang for my >> >> >buck with AMD. > >Mine too. Unlike MS where there is no competition, the processor market has >some. I buy AMD for two reasons. > >1.) Their product is good, slightly better (for the price) than Intel's >and.. >2.) If Intel ever does "own" the market as MS does, their prices will go up. >So I support the competition. > > > My boss recently picked up a 3.x ghz P4 for the office (I say x because I'm unsure if it's a 3.2 or the later 3.4... :|, in any case it's a Dell), and the system IS fast, it IS zippy, it does get off it's duff and run Windows XP like a champ, and it should w/ what 1gig of dual channel 400mhz (800mhz) DDR. However it isn't MUCH faster than my Athlon 2000+ XP NOR is it much faster than some of the other boxes I've put together running 2600+ Athlons. The true test will be when I finally get my hands on an AMD Athlon 3400+ and run it up against the P4 w/ real benchmarks... because all the systems I mentioned above can process DivX (among other software) withing frames of each other... I support AMD not to keep Intel from winning more marketshare, (no I brag about how fast AMD processors are for that ;o)). I do however BUY AMD because it does "OFFER" more BANG for the BUCK. I can get "better" performance on an AMD processor for the same money (or less) than it cost to go w/ Intel. Example...If I want to spend under $200 bucks for a an Processor+Mobo combo, I will end up with more processing power when I choose the AMD route. For me it's not about keeping Chipzilla tamed, it's about earning more processing power w/ my $$. With the Extra cash I save I can apply to get a better video card. :o) >Microprocessor design / production is not something you can do in your >garage and create a competitor for the giant company. It takes bucks, BIG >bucks. Intel has BIG bucks to throw at research / design as well as fab >plants. > > because Intel has "SUCH" big bucks, it is very disappointing to see them struggle to come up with a truely superior chip. I'm not Anti-Intel, I'm just not gonna buy something that sucks and pay more for it., I remember in the days of 386/486 chips, you HAD to go w/ Intel.. in fact PII and PIII's were all in Intel's domain, however it wasn't until the screwed around w/ trying to provide a crippled version of the PIII that they went to hell, w/ their Celeron processors running cooler and faster than the later PIII's, :O. My first AMD processor was an AMD 300mhz 3D. I bought this puppy w/ the promise that it could deliver graphics at a better price factor. there's also all the propaganda that surround AMD chips, is that they are not as stable. While there are chipset manufactures that suck, namely PCCHIPS, and then SIS in it's former years (pre-Dragon). That's not to say that Intel hasn't had it's share of problems with it's OWN chipsets, (Intel Brand). k, better get off this soapbox before I fall off :D -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 9 11:34:08 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:34:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ABA9@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000e01c44e3f$96773f00$7e01a8c0@colbyws> LOL. People get emotional about their computers. You will find others just as emotional about how good their Intel box is. I for one agree with Francisco, I love my AMD. I have not had an Intel box in this century. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 09 June 2004 17:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >>My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. >> >> > >Yes, Intel is a fine company and makes fine processors. AMD is the >little guy making slightly better processors for slightly less. Add >the two slightly and you get a fair "bang for the buck" advantage going >with AMD. > > > I disagree, although Intel was at one point a "fine" company, they have long pushed their weight around as the dominant processor. Even w/ the leaps and bounds that AMD has done, Most people still think of AMD as a 2nd rate chip. While having experianced both P4 and Athlons, I can w/o a doubt say that ALL AMD ATHLON systems I've worked on are faster than that of their Intel P4 counterparts. I've seen it with machines w/ RAMBUS which are supposed to boast and brag about high performance and I've seen it w/ the later P4's that went DDR (and even dualchannel) >>It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang >>for my >> >> >buck with AMD. > >Mine too. Unlike MS where there is no competition, the processor >market has >some. I buy AMD for two reasons. > >1.) Their product is good, slightly better (for the price) than Intel's >and.. >2.) If Intel ever does "own" the market as MS does, their prices will >go up. >So I support the competition. > > > My boss recently picked up a 3.x ghz P4 for the office (I say x because I'm unsure if it's a 3.2 or the later 3.4... :|, in any case it's a Dell), and the system IS fast, it IS zippy, it does get off it's duff and run Windows XP like a champ, and it should w/ what 1gig of dual channel 400mhz (800mhz) DDR. However it isn't MUCH faster than my Athlon 2000+ XP NOR is it much faster than some of the other boxes I've put together running 2600+ Athlons. The true test will be when I finally get my hands on an AMD Athlon 3400+ and run it up against the P4 w/ real benchmarks... because all the systems I mentioned above can process DivX (among other software) withing frames of each other... I support AMD not to keep Intel from winning more marketshare, (no I brag about how fast AMD processors are for that ;o)). I do however BUY AMD because it does "OFFER" more BANG for the BUCK. I can get "better" performance on an AMD processor for the same money (or less) than it cost to go w/ Intel. Example...If I want to spend under $200 bucks for a an Processor+Mobo combo, I will end up with more processing power when I choose the AMD route. For me it's not about keeping Chipzilla tamed, it's about earning more processing power w/ my $$. With the Extra cash I save I can apply to get a better video card. :o) >Microprocessor design / production is not something you can do in your >garage and create a competitor for the giant company. It takes bucks, >BIG bucks. Intel has BIG bucks to throw at research / design as well >as fab plants. > > because Intel has "SUCH" big bucks, it is very disappointing to see them struggle to come up with a truely superior chip. I'm not Anti-Intel, I'm just not gonna buy something that sucks and pay more for it., I remember in the days of 386/486 chips, you HAD to go w/ Intel.. in fact PII and PIII's were all in Intel's domain, however it wasn't until the screwed around w/ trying to provide a crippled version of the PIII that they went to hell, w/ their Celeron processors running cooler and faster than the later PIII's, :O. My first AMD processor was an AMD 300mhz 3D. I bought this puppy w/ the promise that it could deliver graphics at a better price factor. there's also all the propaganda that surround AMD chips, is that they are not as stable. While there are chipset manufactures that suck, namely PCCHIPS, and then SIS in it's former years (pre-Dragon). That's not to say that Intel hasn't had it's share of problems with it's OWN chipsets, (Intel Brand). k, better get off this soapbox before I fall off :D -- -Francisco From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 9 12:37:07 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:37:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] M6805 laptop - The wireless hurdle Message-ID: <001a01c44e48$6317c310$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Well, I finally got my new laptop in my home network. Had to pretty much emasculate the wireless link to do so but maybe now I can go back and add security back in. I spent many hours screwing around with this but in the end, ended up stopping the wired (network cable) connection and running the "give me the internet" wizard again, then turning off the built-in firewall (god I hate WinXP), and suddenly I have internet and the computers can talk to each other. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 9 12:59:26 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000e01c44e3f$96773f00$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: Back in the early to mid 90s I got the instability or the AMD won't run some of the programs that Intel platforms would run from some allegedly knowledgeable hardware type people. My development platform was based on an AMD 386 DX40, on which I compiled MicroFocus COBOL 3.1 programs with BTrieve 5 database. Most of the boxes where my programs resided happily were 386 and 486 Intel boxes and even a few Cyrix boxes, without a glitch. I never experienced any other glitches with any other program that I tried to run or generated on the early AMD platforms including executables created with Borland C++ and Pro-C. Nor would I have a "Intel Inside" labeled box, those stickers irked me. Like John said, without AMD we would all be paying more for our computers, and CPU technology probably wouldn't have progressed to where it is today with comptetition. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:34 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation LOL. People get emotional about their computers. You will find others just as emotional about how good their Intel box is. I for one agree with Francisco, I love my AMD. I have not had an Intel box in this century. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 09 June 2004 17:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/8/2004 1:59 PM: >>My opinion is that Intel makes a fine microprocessor as does AMD. >> >> > >Yes, Intel is a fine company and makes fine processors. AMD is the >little guy making slightly better processors for slightly less. Add >the two slightly and you get a fair "bang for the buck" advantage going >with AMD. > > > I disagree, although Intel was at one point a "fine" company, they have long pushed their weight around as the dominant processor. Even w/ the leaps and bounds that AMD has done, Most people still think of AMD as a 2nd rate chip. While having experianced both P4 and Athlons, I can w/o a doubt say that ALL AMD ATHLON systems I've worked on are faster than that of their Intel P4 counterparts. I've seen it with machines w/ RAMBUS which are supposed to boast and brag about high performance and I've seen it w/ the later P4's that went DDR (and even dualchannel) >>It's just my humble opinion that day in and day out I get more bang >>for my >> >> >buck with AMD. > >Mine too. Unlike MS where there is no competition, the processor >market has >some. I buy AMD for two reasons. > >1.) Their product is good, slightly better (for the price) than Intel's >and.. >2.) If Intel ever does "own" the market as MS does, their prices will >go up. >So I support the competition. > > > My boss recently picked up a 3.x ghz P4 for the office (I say x because I'm unsure if it's a 3.2 or the later 3.4... :|, in any case it's a Dell), and the system IS fast, it IS zippy, it does get off it's duff and run Windows XP like a champ, and it should w/ what 1gig of dual channel 400mhz (800mhz) DDR. However it isn't MUCH faster than my Athlon 2000+ XP NOR is it much faster than some of the other boxes I've put together running 2600+ Athlons. The true test will be when I finally get my hands on an AMD Athlon 3400+ and run it up against the P4 w/ real benchmarks... because all the systems I mentioned above can process DivX (among other software) withing frames of each other... I support AMD not to keep Intel from winning more marketshare, (no I brag about how fast AMD processors are for that ;o)). I do however BUY AMD because it does "OFFER" more BANG for the BUCK. I can get "better" performance on an AMD processor for the same money (or less) than it cost to go w/ Intel. Example...If I want to spend under $200 bucks for a an Processor+Mobo combo, I will end up with more processing power when I choose the AMD route. For me it's not about keeping Chipzilla tamed, it's about earning more processing power w/ my $$. With the Extra cash I save I can apply to get a better video card. :o) >Microprocessor design / production is not something you can do in your >garage and create a competitor for the giant company. It takes bucks, >BIG bucks. Intel has BIG bucks to throw at research / design as well >as fab plants. > > because Intel has "SUCH" big bucks, it is very disappointing to see them struggle to come up with a truely superior chip. I'm not Anti-Intel, I'm just not gonna buy something that sucks and pay more for it., I remember in the days of 386/486 chips, you HAD to go w/ Intel.. in fact PII and PIII's were all in Intel's domain, however it wasn't until the screwed around w/ trying to provide a crippled version of the PIII that they went to hell, w/ their Celeron processors running cooler and faster than the later PIII's, :O. My first AMD processor was an AMD 300mhz 3D. I bought this puppy w/ the promise that it could deliver graphics at a better price factor. there's also all the propaganda that surround AMD chips, is that they are not as stable. While there are chipset manufactures that suck, namely PCCHIPS, and then SIS in it's former years (pre-Dragon). That's not to say that Intel hasn't had it's share of problems with it's OWN chipsets, (Intel Brand). k, better get off this soapbox before I fall off :D -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 9 12:59:48 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:59:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <000e01c44e3f$96773f00$7e01a8c0@colbyws> References: <000e01c44e3f$96773f00$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <40C75014.7070208@verizon.net> jwcolby wrote On 6/9/2004 9:34 AM: >LOL. People get emotional about their computers. You will find others just >as emotional about how good their Intel box is. > > This is very true. To some it's as religious as unbound forms or natural pk's, or even setting arbitrary field lenghths in lookup table fields ;o). >I for one agree with Francisco, I love my AMD. I have not had an Intel box >in this century. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > >Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) > > >Jon > > -- -Francisco From john at winhaven.net Wed Jun 9 13:48:09 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:48:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <40C75014.7070208@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've had both and would side with the AMD arguments. One thing I've seen in test result comments but have never verified is that some - if not all Athlons will burn up very quickly when the fan dies while the Pentiums will turn themselves off if they reach a certain temperature. To reinterate(!) I have no idea if this is true or not. Can someone attest to this either way? JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/9/2004 9:34 AM: >LOL. People get emotional about their computers. You will find others just >as emotional about how good their Intel box is. > > This is very true. To some it's as religious as unbound forms or natural pk's, or even setting arbitrary field lenghths in lookup table fields ;o). >I for one agree with Francisco, I love my AMD. I have not had an Intel box >in this century. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > >Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) > > >Jon > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 9 14:08:44 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:08:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c44e55$2f5b0f20$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Yep, this is true with the older AMDs. It was not necessarily true "if the fan dies" but was certainly true if there was no heat sink on the cpu. The later generations of AMDs (and Intels) have a temperature sensing mechanism on chip. Both (to my knowledge) still require an external program to run (in the bios) that watches the sensor and turns off power to the processor if it exceeds a certain temperature. Most AMDs that you can buy today have this stuff now, however the older MOTHERBOARDS don't necessarily have it. ALL modern motherboards have it but many 2 or 3 year old MBs do not. If you take a modern processor with the heat sensor and put it in an old MB, it will burn up if it loses adequate cooling to the CPU. If you take an old processor and place it in a modern MB, it will burn up if it loses cooling. If you buy a system today, new mb, new processor, it should survive just fine losing cooling. And of course it may be possible for MB manufacturers to modify the bios to sense these new sensors even in their old boards. BTW, the reason that Intel's chips didn't burn up had to do with the massive heat sink they built right in to the "chip". They did not have this internal sensor either (AFAIK). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've had both and would side with the AMD arguments. One thing I've seen in test result comments but have never verified is that some - if not all Athlons will burn up very quickly when the fan dies while the Pentiums will turn themselves off if they reach a certain temperature. To reinterate(!) I have no idea if this is true or not. Can someone attest to this either way? JB From David_Lind at acordia.com Wed Jun 9 14:54:48 2004 From: David_Lind at acordia.com (David Lind) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:54:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: I'm not sure about the overheating problem, but I do know that until this last computer I built, EVERY computer I built that had an AMD chip on the board REQUIRED an external battery. Don't know why, but it sucked the onboard battery dry within 2-3 months. The only way to keep the system date and time correct was to add an external battery. The chip I have now doesn't do that, so either I magically got the bad chip of every batch or something. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Yep, this is true with the older AMDs. It was not necessarily true "if the fan dies" but was certainly true if there was no heat sink on the cpu. The later generations of AMDs (and Intels) have a temperature sensing mechanism on chip. Both (to my knowledge) still require an external program to run (in the bios) that watches the sensor and turns off power to the processor if it exceeds a certain temperature. Most AMDs that you can buy today have this stuff now, however the older MOTHERBOARDS don't necessarily have it. ALL modern motherboards have it but many 2 or 3 year old MBs do not. If you take a modern processor with the heat sensor and put it in an old MB, it will burn up if it loses adequate cooling to the CPU. If you take an old processor and place it in a modern MB, it will burn up if it loses cooling. If you buy a system today, new mb, new processor, it should survive just fine losing cooling. And of course it may be possible for MB manufacturers to modify the bios to sense these new sensors even in their old boards. BTW, the reason that Intel's chips didn't burn up had to do with the massive heat sink they built right in to the "chip". They did not have this internal sensor either (AFAIK). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've had both and would side with the AMD arguments. One thing I've seen in test result comments but have never verified is that some - if not all Athlons will burn up very quickly when the fan dies while the Pentiums will turn themselves off if they reach a certain temperature. To reinterate(!) I have no idea if this is true or not. Can someone attest to this either way? JB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 9 16:06:57 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:06:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40C77BF1.3040100@verizon.net> That's bizar, must have been your choice in boards, because there is no absolute way that an AMD processor will wear down your onboard battery to hold the time. If your batch of boards were old, and therefor the batteries may have been old as well... for me and AMD it was always ABIT boards, until I saw the new batch of boards mature... the current list of manufactures that I'll even look at include, Not necessairly in this order DFI EPoX ABIT iWill ECS MSI SIS of course I stay away from anything that has AliMagic chips, Just about any of the above manufactures provide current releases w/ Nforce2 chipset. David Lind wrote On 6/9/2004 12:54 PM: >I'm not sure about the overheating problem, but I do know that until this last computer I built, EVERY computer I built that had an AMD chip on the board REQUIRED an external battery. Don't know why, but it sucked the onboard battery dry within 2-3 months. The only way to keep the system date and time correct was to add an external battery. The chip I have now doesn't do that, so either I magically got the bad chip of every batch or something. > > -- -Francisco From David_Lind at acordia.com Wed Jun 9 16:30:30 2004 From: David_Lind at acordia.com (David Lind) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:30:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation Message-ID: Most of the boards were new off the shelf. Don't remember brand names, but they were probably cheaper boards. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation That's bizar, must have been your choice in boards, because there is no absolute way that an AMD processor will wear down your onboard battery to hold the time. If your batch of boards were old, and therefor the batteries may have been old as well... for me and AMD it was always ABIT boards, until I saw the new batch of boards mature... the current list of manufactures that I'll even look at include, Not necessairly in this order DFI EPoX ABIT iWill ECS MSI SIS of course I stay away from anything that has AliMagic chips, Just about any of the above manufactures provide current releases w/ Nforce2 chipset. David Lind wrote On 6/9/2004 12:54 PM: >I'm not sure about the overheating problem, but I do know that until this last computer I built, EVERY computer I built that had an AMD chip on the board REQUIRED an external battery. Don't know why, but it sucked the onboard battery dry within 2-3 months. The only way to keep the system date and time correct was to add an external battery. The chip I have now doesn't do that, so either I magically got the bad chip of every batch or something. > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 9 16:32:10 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:32:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a bit of history with the old first generation slot A Athlon and fan death. I popped the box open on about a year old Athlon 700 where the heatsink and fan hadn't been connected properly to the cpu housing and the heatsink and fan were just hanging close to the to the case but not attached with the fan wire connected and running. I have no idea whether the machine would have survived in a less than ideal environment, which this one was. There was no temp sensor so I have no idea what the temp was. I connected the heatsink and fan. This computer OK had been running before, and still runs today. I wouldn't want to try that on any of the newer Athlons though, because my history with newer Athlons is that they run pretty hot. I never had to replace an Athlon for reasons other than obsolescence, and have several that have run for extended periods of time, never being shut down except for maintenance or extended power outages. I do take extra filtration, exhaust, cooling and maintenance measures when preparing "industrial strength" machines and machines that have to survive in less than friendly environments. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation I've had both and would side with the AMD arguments. One thing I've seen in test result comments but have never verified is that some - if not all Athlons will burn up very quickly when the fan dies while the Pentiums will turn themselves off if they reach a certain temperature. To reinterate(!) I have no idea if this is true or not. Can someone attest to this either way? JB -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation jwcolby wrote On 6/9/2004 9:34 AM: >LOL. People get emotional about their computers. You will find others just >as emotional about how good their Intel box is. > > This is very true. To some it's as religious as unbound forms or natural pk's, or even setting arbitrary field lenghths in lookup table fields ;o). >I for one agree with Francisco, I love my AMD. I have not had an Intel box >in this century. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation > > >Argh, I only asked a simple question, what have I started??? :-) > > >Jon > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 9 16:56:11 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:56:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <40C77BF1.3040100@verizon.net> Message-ID: That sounds bizarre to me too. I've never had that kind of problem and normally use systems for 1.5 - 2 years before replacement or relegating to other tasks. Normally I sell my older systems to one specific client who uses them in a manufacturing environment and have seen no battery drain problems. The prep that I do on older systems before sale includes replacing all fans and the battery. I use MSI boards because I have had very good luck with them, and they are feature rich for the price. The solder mask is a real nice red, which impresses the client if they see the case open... I was using Asus boards until taking delivery of 2 DOAs and one that died after a year of service. jm -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation That's bizar, must have been your choice in boards, because there is no absolute way that an AMD processor will wear down your onboard battery to hold the time. If your batch of boards were old, and therefor the batteries may have been old as well... for me and AMD it was always ABIT boards, until I saw the new batch of boards mature... the current list of manufactures that I'll even look at include, Not necessairly in this order DFI EPoX ABIT iWill ECS MSI SIS of course I stay away from anything that has AliMagic chips, Just about any of the above manufactures provide current releases w/ Nforce2 chipset. David Lind wrote On 6/9/2004 12:54 PM: >I'm not sure about the overheating problem, but I do know that until this last computer I built, EVERY computer I built that had an AMD chip on the board REQUIRED an external battery. Don't know why, but it sucked the onboard battery dry within 2-3 months. The only way to keep the system date and time correct was to add an external battery. The chip I have now doesn't do that, so either I magically got the bad chip of every batch or something. > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From KP at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 9 18:51:33 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:51:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Message-ID: <007401c44e7c$b247d5e0$6501a8c0@user> The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 9 18:54:30 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:54:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? In-Reply-To: <007401c44e7c$b247d5e0$6501a8c0@user> References: <007401c44e7c$b247d5e0$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <40C7A336.2060601@verizon.net> That or you need way more coffee... on the other hand, is there someone behind you beeming a flashlight? :D Kath Pelletti wrote On 6/9/2004 4:51 PM: >The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? > >Kath > > -- -Francisco From KP at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 9 19:02:59 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:02:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? References: <007401c44e7c$b247d5e0$6501a8c0@user> <40C7A336.2060601@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008401c44e7e$4ac448c0$6501a8c0@user> No question that I need more coffee at 10 am............... ----- Original Message ----- From: Francisco H Tapia To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? That or you need way more coffee... on the other hand, is there someone behind you beeming a flashlight? :D Kath Pelletti wrote On 6/9/2004 4:51 PM: >The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? > >Kath > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Jun 9 20:25:45 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:25:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? References: <007401c44e7c$b247d5e0$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <40C7B899.6030600@shaw.ca> Plasma and LCD monitors will do this if strong indirect lighting falls on them. Generally if it falls from the side. Close curtains or tilt monitor to see if it disappears. Kath Pelletti wrote: >The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? > >Kath >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 9 20:36:57 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:36:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? In-Reply-To: <40C7B899.6030600@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000c01c44e8b$6b099fb0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> I think it's dying. In a monitor this indicates one of the three electron guns is changing intensity. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Plasma and LCD monitors will do this if strong indirect lighting falls on them. Generally if it falls from the side. Close curtains or tilt monitor to see if it disappears. Kath Pelletti wrote: >The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and >back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it >dying? > >Kath >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From KP at sdsonline.net Wed Jun 9 22:03:50 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:03:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? References: <000c01c44e8b$6b099fb0$7e01a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <004001c44e97$8ead5950$6501a8c0@user> Hi Marty / John - it seems to also only be happening when cold - first hour of use for the day. OK - maybe time for replacement. Thanks Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: jwcolby To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? I think it's dying. In a monitor this indicates one of the three electron guns is changing intensity. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Plasma and LCD monitors will do this if strong indirect lighting falls on them. Generally if it falls from the side. Close curtains or tilt monitor to see if it disappears. Kath Pelletti wrote: >The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and >back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it >dying? > >Kath >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 10 03:25:42 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:25:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ABB0@ALCUXB> Yeah - I had that on my last monitor - the cable was on it's way out too, because the slightest movement of the desk turned the screen magenta, cyan or yellow too sometimes. I bought a "new" flatscreen monitor for ?25 from a computer fair and it's all better now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 00:52 To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jun 10 05:15:46 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:15:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD9B9@stekelbes.ithelps.local> That also a common when the high-voltage powersupply is getting unstable. This is the weakest component of a CRT monitor and predicts it gonna be completely defect in a matter of time. Of course it also could be your cell-phone that to close to the monitor and cables.... Even when not using your ceel-phone it broadcasts from time to time. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Yeah - I had that on my last monitor - the cable was on it's way out too, because the slightest movement of the desk turned the screen magenta, cyan or yellow too sometimes. I bought a "new" flatscreen monitor for ?25 from a computer fair and it's all better now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 00:52 To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From KP at sdsonline.net Thu Jun 10 07:31:43 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:31:43 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD9B9@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <000f01c44ee6$e44bbd30$6501a8c0@user> Mine has now gone from fading every 5-10 mins to fading constantly back in and out - time to spend again. 25 pounds for a flat screen sounds very cheap.....back of a truck?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? That also a common when the high-voltage powersupply is getting unstable. This is the weakest component of a CRT monitor and predicts it gonna be completely defect in a matter of time. Of course it also could be your cell-phone that to close to the monitor and cables.... Even when not using your ceel-phone it broadcasts from time to time. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Yeah - I had that on my last monitor - the cable was on it's way out too, because the slightest movement of the desk turned the screen magenta, cyan or yellow too sometimes. I bought a "new" flatscreen monitor for ?25 from a computer fair and it's all better now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 00:52 To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 10 08:05:55 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:05:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ABB8@ALCUXB> Not a TFT, a CRT with flat screen. The case has a crack in it at the back, but who's going to see that against the wall? All perfetly legit, you just have to know your suppliers :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 13:32 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Mine has now gone from fading every 5-10 mins to fading constantly back in and out - time to spend again. 25 pounds for a flat screen sounds very cheap.....back of a truck?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? That also a common when the high-voltage powersupply is getting unstable. This is the weakest component of a CRT monitor and predicts it gonna be completely defect in a matter of time. Of course it also could be your cell-phone that to close to the monitor and cables.... Even when not using your ceel-phone it broadcasts from time to time. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Yeah - I had that on my last monitor - the cable was on it's way out too, because the slightest movement of the desk turned the screen magenta, cyan or yellow too sometimes. I bought a "new" flatscreen monitor for ?25 from a computer fair and it's all better now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 00:52 To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From KP at sdsonline.net Fri Jun 11 02:54:52 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:54:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ABB8@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <001701c44f89$61bebae0$6501a8c0@user> Sounds lucky - does anyone have any recommendations for flat monitors? Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Not a TFT, a CRT with flat screen. The case has a crack in it at the back, but who's going to see that against the wall? All perfetly legit, you just have to know your suppliers :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 13:32 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Mine has now gone from fading every 5-10 mins to fading constantly back in and out - time to spend again. 25 pounds for a flat screen sounds very cheap.....back of a truck?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? That also a common when the high-voltage powersupply is getting unstable. This is the weakest component of a CRT monitor and predicts it gonna be completely defect in a matter of time. Of course it also could be your cell-phone that to close to the monitor and cables.... Even when not using your ceel-phone it broadcasts from time to time. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? Yeah - I had that on my last monitor - the cable was on it's way out too, because the slightest movement of the desk turned the screen magenta, cyan or yellow too sometimes. I bought a "new" flatscreen monitor for ?25 from a computer fair and it's all better now :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] Sent: 10 June 2004 00:52 To: AccessD Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Yellow screen? The white sections on my monitor are fading from white to yellow and back again every 5 or 10 minutes- has anyone seen this before? Is it dying? Kath _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Fri Jun 11 19:58:36 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:58:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen In-Reply-To: <001701c44f89$61bebae0$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <042d01c45018$64442040$6601a8c0@rock> Caution: I bought a 19" Hansol flat screen which is sickeningly gorgeous. I got it for $600 CDN. I think it retails for about 1.5 that amount. Now I HATE the other computers. These big fat ugly monitors make me HURL. So be careful what you buy. It may ruin the rest of your life. If you can find a Hansol flat screen, score it at your peril. You will love it so much that you cannot bear to work on the other computers you have. I can't afford any more of these, so I may have to get one of those switchers that swaps the monitor, keyboard and mouse to my other two boxes. I can't bear to look at those monitors any more. Caution! Do not buy a Hansol flat-screen unless you are willing to say goodbye to what was the state of the art only a year or two ago. Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jun 12 07:44:53 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:44:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen References: <042d01c45018$64442040$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <000901c4507b$0f12db30$0200a8c0@upstairs> KVM switches aren't that expensive Arthur - I've got one here in readiness for my new pc, and I have two or three of thema t work, in the server cabinets. Dead easy to use. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:58 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen Caution: I bought a 19" Hansol flat screen which is sickeningly gorgeous. I got it for $600 CDN. I think it retails for about 1.5 that amount. Now I HATE the other computers. These big fat ugly monitors make me HURL. So be careful what you buy. It may ruin the rest of your life. If you can find a Hansol flat screen, score it at your peril. You will love it so much that you cannot bear to work on the other computers you have. I can't afford any more of these, so I may have to get one of those switchers that swaps the monitor, keyboard and mouse to my other two boxes. I can't bear to look at those monitors any more. Caution! Do not buy a Hansol flat-screen unless you are willing to say goodbye to what was the state of the art only a year or two ago. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Jun 12 11:50:59 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:50:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check this out for laptop-well laptop replacement. http://www.oqo.com/hardware/basics/ (the video link is big so if you don't have broadband it will take awhile) JB From john at winhaven.net Sat Jun 12 11:53:12 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:53:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen In-Reply-To: <000901c4507b$0f12db30$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: KVM's are how I run my office. I just went to a USB KVM. JB BTW: I have a used 4 port PS2 style KVM for sale. :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen KVM switches aren't that expensive Arthur - I've got one here in readiness for my new pc, and I have two or three of thema t work, in the server cabinets. Dead easy to use. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:58 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen Caution: I bought a 19" Hansol flat screen which is sickeningly gorgeous. I got it for $600 CDN. I think it retails for about 1.5 that amount. Now I HATE the other computers. These big fat ugly monitors make me HURL. So be careful what you buy. It may ruin the rest of your life. If you can find a Hansol flat screen, score it at your peril. You will love it so much that you cannot bear to work on the other computers you have. I can't afford any more of these, so I may have to get one of those switchers that swaps the monitor, keyboard and mouse to my other two boxes. I can't bear to look at those monitors any more. Caution! Do not buy a Hansol flat-screen unless you are willing to say goodbye to what was the state of the art only a year or two ago. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From KP at sdsonline.net Sat Jun 12 18:41:47 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:41:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen References: <042d01c45018$64442040$6601a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <003101c450d6$d4818d20$6501a8c0@user> Wow - now I have to see one - I'll let you know what they cost here (just for fun). But really don't want to spend that much............. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Hansol flat screen Caution: I bought a 19" Hansol flat screen which is sickeningly gorgeous. I got it for $600 CDN. I think it retails for about 1.5 that amount. Now I HATE the other computers. These big fat ugly monitors make me HURL. So be careful what you buy. It may ruin the rest of your life. If you can find a Hansol flat screen, score it at your peril. You will love it so much that you cannot bear to work on the other computers you have. I can't afford any more of these, so I may have to get one of those switchers that swaps the monitor, keyboard and mouse to my other two boxes. I can't bear to look at those monitors any more. Caution! Do not buy a Hansol flat-screen unless you are willing to say goodbye to what was the state of the art only a year or two ago. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 16 11:38:35 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:38:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empower ISV? Message-ID: <40D0778B.5000506@verizon.net> anybody enrolled in this? what happens if you enroll as a partner? can you develop products and distribute them royalty free? or does one need to re-purchase those developer tools under the legal license? http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx -- -Francisco From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Jun 18 13:30:51 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods Message-ID: <000701c45562$6317b2f0$0300a8c0@upstairs> http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 Check out the case mods on this pc!!! Jon From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Jun 18 13:52:23 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:52:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods Message-ID: Since I've been following the case mod scene for quite a few years, I think I'm qualified to say...this guy needs to get out more;) Nevertheless, to the best of my knowledge, it IS unique. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:31 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 Check out the case mods on this pc!!! Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From David_Lind at acordia.com Fri Jun 18 13:56:13 2004 From: David_Lind at acordia.com (David Lind) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods Message-ID: He definitely has too much time on his hands and probably needs a GF! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Case mods Since I've been following the case mod scene for quite a few years, I think I'm qualified to say...this guy needs to get out more;) Nevertheless, to the best of my knowledge, it IS unique. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:31 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 Check out the case mods on this pc!!! Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Fri Jun 18 14:06:14 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:06:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods Message-ID: Cool but I don't really get WHY? Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Jon Tydda" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "dba-tech" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:51 +0100 > >http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 > > >Check out the case mods on this pc!!! > > >Jon >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Jun 18 15:45:21 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:45:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D35461.9000508@verizon.net> I'm not really into case modding for the sake of case moding, in fact many times over I often find myself asking the question of "why?" Many Case mods make sense... such as the extra case fans that are now so preciously mandatory. You couple that w/ a Blowhole for your case and you have (generally) a rather cool case. Latest case mods that make sense are things such as air filters for your case to help prevent so much dust intake, or even modifications wich allow for the control speed of fans, or even monitors to place on the front of the pc which give out temprature readouts. This guy, altho talented, had WAY too much time on his hands. Just think of the time he spend to get his pc working in this way. On the other hand he could have been more productive in some other way. What is the purpose of building such a machine? Gary Kjos wrote On 6/18/2004 12:06 PM: > Cool but I don't really get WHY? > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > >> From: "Jon Tydda" >> Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >> issues >> To: "dba-tech" >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods >> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:51 +0100 >> >> http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 >> >> >> Check out the case mods on this pc!!! >> >> >> Jon > -- -Francisco From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Jun 18 20:40:59 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:40:59 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods References: <40D35461.9000508@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003601c4559e$7959d2a0$0300a8c0@upstairs> I'm with you on the cooling thing, in fact mine is a lot more stable with the two extra fans and the holes in the box, but for me, the box is the grey bit that sits under my desk - why would you want to put neon lights in it, or have a see through side? I like the "art" value of this though, I do value creativity, and I think it'd be quite cool to do something like it myself, if I could ever motivate myself, or even think about having the time/talent to do it. There is a definite art to cutting polystyrene, and I know you can just end up with a floor covered in snow :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco H Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Case mods I'm not really into case modding for the sake of case moding, in fact many times over I often find myself asking the question of "why?" Many Case mods make sense... such as the extra case fans that are now so preciously mandatory. You couple that w/ a Blowhole for your case and you have (generally) a rather cool case. Latest case mods that make sense are things such as air filters for your case to help prevent so much dust intake, or even modifications wich allow for the control speed of fans, or even monitors to place on the front of the pc which give out temprature readouts. This guy, altho talented, had WAY too much time on his hands. Just think of the time he spend to get his pc working in this way. On the other hand he could have been more productive in some other way. What is the purpose of building such a machine? Gary Kjos wrote On 6/18/2004 12:06 PM: > Cool but I don't really get WHY? > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > >> From: "Jon Tydda" >> Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >> issues >> To: "dba-tech" >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods >> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:30:51 +0100 >> >> http://www.divxstation.com/comm/thread.asp?i=16&t=25160&r=0 >> >> >> Check out the case mods on this pc!!! >> >> >> Jon > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jun 19 06:10:10 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:10:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70650715.20040619131010@cactus.dk> Hi Gary and Fransisco > Cool but I don't really get WHY? For fun, of course; or to enjoy some of your creative skills. Have you never, say, programmed something for fun rather than simply "to be productive"? /gustav From garykjos at hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 08:49:27 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:49:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Yes, you are right. I build golf clubs - not necessarily to save money or to get a better product - both of which I do - but they are by products - the reason I do it is for the satisfaction of doing it and the enjoyment I get from playing with clubs I built myself. Have done the same thing with fishing lures too - in those cases I certainly could have bought lures cheaper than making them - considering the number of hours of labor involved. But it's the joy of working on the project plus the enjoyment of looking at and working with the end result. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Gustav Brock >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Case mods >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:10:10 +0200 > >Hi Gary and Fransisco > > > Cool but I don't really get WHY? > >For fun, of course; or to enjoy some of your creative skills. Have you >never, say, programmed something for fun rather than simply "to be >productive"? > >/gustav > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Mon Jun 21 12:08:32 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:08:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Case mods In-Reply-To: <70650715.20040619131010@cactus.dk> References: <70650715.20040619131010@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <40D71610.3060006@verizon.net> Gustav Brock wrote On 6/19/2004 4:10 AM: >Hi Gary and Fransisco > > >>Cool but I don't really get WHY? >> >> > >For fun, of course; or to enjoy some of your creative skills. Have you >never, say, programmed something for fun rather than simply "to be >productive"? > > Well yes of course, I know I'm getting old when I ask such questions. In fact the art quality that Jon mentioned is rather impressive (I hope I didn't imply that it wasn't). And this is the sort of thing that occurs in any environment once the platform stabalizes. If you look at P4's and Athlon based systems, they are pretty much fast enough for just about all tasks required of them. Thus people begin to concentrate on artsy designs rather on cooling and performance. In fact I never would have considered silent fans for any of my sytems until now that I've found suitable fans and plenty of cooling. :) -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 23 08:49:18 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Beastie Boys CD installs virus Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC52@ALCUXB> Apologies for the cross post, I just couldn't decide which group would benefit more from seeing this :-) Jon http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/23/beastie_boy_cd_virus/ By Thomas C Greene Published Wednesday 23rd June 2004 11:18 GMT A new Beastie Boys' CD called "To the Five Boroughs" (Capitol Records), is raising hackles around the Web for reputedly infecting computers with a virus. According to a recent thread at BugTraq, an executable file is automatically and silently installed on the user's machine when the CD is loaded. The file is said to be a driver that prevents users from ripping the CD (and perhaps others), and attacks both Windows boxen and Macs. The infected CD is being distributed worldwide except in the USA and UK, which prevents us from giving a firsthand report. However, according to hearsay, we gather that the Windows version exploits the 'autorun' option, and that the Mac version affects the auto play option. On Windows, when a CD is loaded, a text file called autorun.inf is read, and any instructions within it are executed. In this case, the machine is instructed to install some manner of DRM driver that prevents copying. We haven't seen either the .inf file or any of the executables, so we can't say how or at what level it accomplishes this - or if indeed it actually does accomplish this. But assuming that the unconfirmed reports are accurate, we have here a media company infecting users' machines silently with a file that affects a computer's functionality, without first obtaining informed consent: a likely violation of pretty much every jurisdiction's anti-hacking laws. It's possible to foresee criminal charges being brought at some point: after all, having a good reason for spreading malware has never been much of a defence in court. And a file that alters a computer's functioning without the owner's informed consent is the very definition of malware. Because this malware can be transferred from machine to machine on a removable disk, and requires user interaction to spread, it is, quite simply, a computer virus. (A worm, on the other hand, is distinguished by its ability to spread without user interaction.) CD virus protection Let's look at the ways this autorun business can be defeated. It's quite easy to disable autorun in Windows by holding down the Shift key when loading a CD. Unfortunately, this has to be done each time the CD is played. However, it's easy to insert the CD once with the Shift key depressed, and then simply rip the tracks to the hard disk. You can then use the CD in other devices, and listen to your corresponding MP3s or whatever on your computer. You can also disable the autorun "feature" on your Windows machine permanently so that this and other CDs infected with viruses won't affect you in the future. To do this, go to the Start menu ==> Run, and type in the command regedit. Your registry editor will launch. Navigate to the following key, and edit as shown: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\CDRom and set Autorun DWORD=0 It might be necessary to create the value, thus: Data Type: DWORD Value Name: Autorun Value: 0 As usual, you must reboot your Windows box for the changes to take effect. Disinfection The above procedure assumes that you haven't previously installed the suspected Capitol Records virus, or a similar one from another fine entertainment conglomerate. But if you have, you will need to find and uninstall the malware first. The autorun.inf file on the CD will likely indicate the name of the relevant file(s), the locations where they're installed, and any registry changes made. Armed with that information, go to the Windows 'uninstall' utility: Start menu ==> Settings ==> Control Panel ==> Add or Remove Programs ==> Change/Remove. Look for any program files referenced in the autorun.inf file and uninstall them. If no related programs are listed, you will need to launch the Windows Search Companion and search for any files named in the autorun.inf file and delete them manually. Be sure to activate the options in the "more advanced features" dialog allowing you to search the entire disk (search system folders, search hidden folders, and search subfolders). Now, a word of caution: if the Capitol Records virus has updated a library file or driver, deleting it might affect your system's functioning, and you might need to re-install Windows to put things right again. (Carefully log the time needed to do this and include it in your criminal complaint.) However, deleting a foreign executable file is safe, so long as it's not one you actually need. So be careful about file name spellings so that you don't accidentally delete an important file that's spelt similar to the one you wish to be rid of. ? The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 23 09:45:44 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:45:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Beastie Boys CD installs virus In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC52@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC52@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <40D99798.1030304@verizon.net> bleah, This is why Pirate CD's continue to run so rampant. There's also some new technology for DVDs where they are gonna make them unreadable after 8hrs (it used to be a few days but they've cut down that time). By doing this they are speculating that the MPAA will now charge more for regular DVDs that don't have this auto-lock feature. More reasons why people just backup the media before they begin to use it. Jon Tydda wrote On 6/23/2004 6:49 AM: >Apologies for the cross post, I just couldn't decide which group would >benefit more from seeing this :-) > >Jon > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/23/beastie_boy_cd_virus/ > > >By Thomas C Greene >Published Wednesday 23rd June 2004 11:18 GMT > > -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 23 09:48:08 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:48:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Beastie Boys CD installs virus Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC58@ALCUXB> Do they really think that this kind of thing is going to stop people pirating? If anything it's going to increase it... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 23 June 2004 15:46 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beastie Boys CD installs virus bleah, This is why Pirate CD's continue to run so rampant. There's also some new technology for DVDs where they are gonna make them unreadable after 8hrs (it used to be a few days but they've cut down that time). By doing this they are speculating that the MPAA will now charge more for regular DVDs that don't have this auto-lock feature. More reasons why people just backup the media before they begin to use it. Jon Tydda wrote On 6/23/2004 6:49 AM: >Apologies for the cross post, I just couldn't decide which group would >benefit more from seeing this :-) > >Jon > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/23/beastie_boy_cd_virus/ > > >By Thomas C Greene >Published Wednesday 23rd June 2004 11:18 GMT > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jun 23 09:59:25 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:59:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <00ab01c45932$acc1dec0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Fry's today: Compaq AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ 15.4 XGA TFT display 512MB RAM DDR 80GB HD DVD+R/+RW Combo drive Integrated WiFi (802.11g) 56k, Ethernet & USB Windows XP Home $1500 Opinions? TIA Rocky From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 23 10:00:47 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:00:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC5A@ALCUXB> Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Fry's today: Compaq AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ 15.4 XGA TFT display 512MB RAM DDR 80GB HD DVD+R/+RW Combo drive Integrated WiFi (802.11g) 56k, Ethernet & USB Windows XP Home $1500 Opinions? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jun 23 10:26:02 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:26:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC5A@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <008901c45936$6491a870$6601a8c0@HAL9002> No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to what? Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so you have to buy parts from them. Or something. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Fry's today: > > Compaq > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > 15.4 XGA TFT display > 512MB RAM DDR > 80GB HD > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > 56k, Ethernet & USB > Windows XP Home > $1500 > > Opinions? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Jun 23 10:27:36 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:27:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC5B@ALCUXB> I know what you mean - normally I wouldn't touch Compaq with a bargepole. I opened up a friends brand new Compaq once to discover that the hard drive was held in with a cigarette packet. Another friend of mine once opened a Compaq server to find of all things, a rubber chicken inside it. The mind boggles... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 23 June 2004 16:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to what? Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so you have to buy parts from them. Or something. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Fry's today: > > Compaq > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > 15.4 XGA TFT display > 512MB RAM DDR > 80GB HD > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > 56k, Ethernet & USB > Windows XP Home > $1500 > > Opinions? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From CMackin at Quiznos.com Wed Jun 23 10:35:00 2004 From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:35:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD9412989@bross.quiznos.net> I had Compaq cost me 3 weeks totalling about 200 hours of my time on a project, when finally switching it over to a Dell everything ran smoothly and we had a nice Compaq paperweight. Needless to say I will never use a Compaq again as long as I have a choice. -Chris Mackin -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to what? Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so you have to buy parts from them. Or something. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Fry's today: > > Compaq > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > 15.4 XGA TFT display > 512MB RAM DDR > 80GB HD > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > 56k, Ethernet & USB > Windows XP Home > $1500 > > Opinions? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Jun 23 11:05:05 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:05:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? In-Reply-To: <008901c45936$6491a870$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name brand companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded them. I don't know if this is still so. I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm using to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no problems. But yes, I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and its a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with HP, Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level of said brand name you purchase. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to what? Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so you have to buy parts from them. Or something. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Fry's today: > > Compaq > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > 15.4 XGA TFT display > 512MB RAM DDR > 80GB HD > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > 56k, Ethernet & USB > Windows XP Home > $1500 > > Opinions? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jun 23 11:11:47 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD9412989@bross.quiznos.net> Message-ID: <00d801c4593c$c9500170$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Desktop or laptop? How long ago? What happened? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mackin, Christopher" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > I had Compaq cost me 3 weeks totalling about 200 hours of my time on a > project, when finally switching it over to a Dell everything ran smoothly > and we had a nice Compaq paperweight. Needless to say I will never use a > Compaq again as long as I have a choice. > > -Chris Mackin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to > what? > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they > make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > Compaq > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > 512MB RAM DDR > > 80GB HD > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > Windows XP Home > > $1500 > > > > Opinions? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From CMackin at Quiznos.com Wed Jun 23 11:35:12 2004 From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:35:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD941298E@bross.quiznos.net> It was a while ago, 1998. It was a system that monitored all of the sensors and gauges in a very small power plant using WonderWare via ALlen-Bradley PLC's. Got the system configured in my office in Chicago then brought it out to New Jersey for on site installation. The application was flaky and caused the machine to blue screen about every 15 minutes to 3 hours depending on it's mood. Formatted and re-installed everything and got the same result. Spent numerous hours banging my head against the wall as a very upset client waited for me to deliver something useful. I convinced them to purchase a Dell desktop instead. Installed the software and it worked, and has continued to work for the last 5 years without any issues. So it was about 150 unpaid hours of my time that I attribute directly to Compaq, but at least I'm not bitter. ;) -Chris -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Desktop or laptop? How long ago? What happened? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mackin, Christopher" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > I had Compaq cost me 3 weeks totalling about 200 hours of my time on a > project, when finally switching it over to a Dell everything ran smoothly > and we had a nice Compaq paperweight. Needless to say I will never use a > Compaq again as long as I have a choice. > > -Chris Mackin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to > what? > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they > make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > Compaq > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > 512MB RAM DDR > > 80GB HD > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > Windows XP Home > > $1500 > > > > Opinions? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jun 23 12:23:01 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem Message-ID: <018101c45946$bca0e3e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Preamble: My kids do not practice safe computing. Spybot and Adaware always uncovers stuff that has been pushed onto their machine. Well, they're kids. Problem: Google searches hang the browser. Have to terminate the process. Ask.com searches also hang the browser. But Alta Vista searches work! (Haven't tried any other search engines.) What I've done: Re-installed Windows (2k) to get a fresh IE. No soap. Downloaded IE 6.0. Didn't help. Any idea what's going on? MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From David_Lind at acordia.com Wed Jun 23 12:27:05 2004 From: David_Lind at acordia.com (David Lind) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:27:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem Message-ID: Yeah, apparently Alta Vista is 'donating' to Spybot and Adaware and Google and Ask.com are not! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:23 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem Preamble: My kids do not practice safe computing. Spybot and Adaware always uncovers stuff that has been pushed onto their machine. Well, they're kids. Problem: Google searches hang the browser. Have to terminate the process. Ask.com searches also hang the browser. But Alta Vista searches work! (Haven't tried any other search engines.) What I've done: Re-installed Windows (2k) to get a fresh IE. No soap. Downloaded IE 6.0. Didn't help. Any idea what's going on? MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Jun 23 13:25:11 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:25:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem References: <018101c45946$bca0e3e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <004301c4594f$72fae430$0300a8c0@upstairs> When you say reinstalled, do you mean format and start again, or a repair install? If the latter, and you have time/patience, somewhere to back up files to, I'd recommend the format option. Then install spybot 1.3 as it protects from more than double the amount of things that 1.2 does, even with the latest updates. Oh, another thought occurs, have you installed win2k SP4 and/or ie6 sp1? if not, try them and update them. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem Preamble: My kids do not practice safe computing. Spybot and Adaware always uncovers stuff that has been pushed onto their machine. Well, they're kids. Problem: Google searches hang the browser. Have to terminate the process. Ask.com searches also hang the browser. But Alta Vista searches work! (Haven't tried any other search engines.) What I've done: Re-installed Windows (2k) to get a fresh IE. No soap. Downloaded IE 6.0. Didn't help. Any idea what's going on? MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Jun 23 17:23:52 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:23:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: Message-ID: <01a001c45970$c37d8950$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or appliance but I've heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I should - $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and all hardware problems. Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right away. Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Rocky, > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name brand > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded them. I > don't know if this is still so. > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm using to > type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no problems. But yes, > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and its a > hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with HP, Dell, > IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level of said > brand name you purchase. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as opposed to > what? > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know they > make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their hardware so > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > Compaq > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > 512MB RAM DDR > > 80GB HD > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > Windows XP Home > > $1500 > > > > Opinions? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kens.programming at verizon.net Wed Jun 23 17:49:55 2004 From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:49:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Compress File Limitation Message-ID: <20040623225001.OCZS1551.out004.verizon.net@enterprise> Does anyone know if there is a file size limit when using Windows XP's file compression utility? I have been trying to compress a 4GB SS2K backup file with a password and it is only able to compress what appears to be a portion of the file. When I extract the file and the try to restore to another machine, the database files are corrupted. Thanks for your help. Ken From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Jun 23 20:20:07 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:20:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Compress File Limitation References: <20040623225001.OCZS1551.out004.verizon.net@enterprise> Message-ID: <40DA2C47.5010705@shaw.ca> Well you would need probably 4-8 gig of free space in addition to the file, depending on what language wrote the compression utility there are things like a 2 gig limit on text strings in languages like VB and what degree of compression you obtain. Ken Stoker wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a file size limit when using Windows XP's file >compression utility? I have been trying to compress a 4GB SS2K backup file >with a password and it is only able to compress what appears to be a portion >of the file. When I extract the file and the try to restore to another >machine, the database files are corrupted. > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Ken > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jun 23 20:35:11 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:35:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? In-Reply-To: <01a001c45970$c37d8950$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <002b01c4598b$7db3d440$0501a8c0@colbyws> LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or appliance but I've heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I should - $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and all hardware problems. Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right away. Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Rocky, > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name brand > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded > them. I > don't know if this is still so. > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm using > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no problems. > But yes, > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and its > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with HP, > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level of said > brand name you purchase. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > opposed to > what? > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their > hardware so > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > Compaq > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > 512MB RAM DDR > > 80GB HD > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > Windows XP Home > > $1500 > > > > Opinions? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 00:15:04 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:15:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <002b01c4598b$7db3d440$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <02b301c459aa$36205ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a DVD burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which I'm using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's convenient.) Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the network to 'see' all the other machines. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at 1500 - > $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. That's > the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's service > plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or appliance but I've > heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I should - > $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and all > hardware problems. > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right away. > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the email, > load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Rocky, > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name brand > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded > > them. > I > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm using > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no problems. > > But > yes, > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and its > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with HP, > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level of > said > > brand name you purchase. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > opposed > to > > what? > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their > > hardware > so > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > To: dba-tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > Compaq > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > 80GB HD > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > Windows XP Home > > > $1500 > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 01:07:54 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:07:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <002b01c4598b$7db3d440$0501a8c0@colbyws> <02b301c459aa$36205ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <02d701c459b1$969b4c60$6601a8c0@HAL9002> P.S. Forgot - thanks to all who gave me input on the notebook. Very valuable advice as usual and I ended up with a box that probably won't become obsolete for a few years Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a DVD > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which I'm > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > convenient.) > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the network > to 'see' all the other machines. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:35 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at > 1500 - > > $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. That's > > the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's service > > plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or appliance but > I've > > heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I > should - > > $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and all > > hardware problems. > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right away. > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the email, > > load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name brand > > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded > > > them. > > I > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm using > > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no problems. > > > But > > yes, > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and its > > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with HP, > > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level of > > said > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > opposed > > to > > > what? > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their > > > hardware > > so > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > 80GB HD > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and > > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 01:08:50 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:08:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem References: <018101c45946$bca0e3e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <004301c4594f$72fae430$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <02dd01c459b1$b84157b0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> No format. Just a reinstall. I'll check the sp levels on those others. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem > When you say reinstalled, do you mean format and start again, or a repair > install? If the latter, and you have time/patience, somewhere to back up > files to, I'd recommend the format option. Then install spybot 1.3 as it > protects from more than double the amount of things that 1.2 does, even with > the latest updates. > > Oh, another thought occurs, have you installed win2k SP4 and/or ie6 sp1? if > not, try them and update them. > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "dba-tech" > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:23 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange search engine problem > > > Preamble: My kids do not practice safe computing. Spybot and Adaware > always uncovers stuff that has been pushed onto their machine. Well, > they're kids. > > Problem: Google searches hang the browser. Have to terminate the process. > Ask.com searches also hang the browser. But Alta Vista searches work! > (Haven't tried any other search engines.) > > What I've done: Re-installed Windows (2k) to get a fresh IE. No soap. > Downloaded IE 6.0. Didn't help. > > Any idea what's going on? > > MTIA, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Jun 24 04:15:37 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:15:37 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Compress File Limitation Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I believe some version of Winzip has a limit of 2GB. Instead zipping those files you could use windows backup to backup those files in a backupfile. I'm however not sure if WinXP does compression on backup to a file... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP Compress File Limitation Well you would need probably 4-8 gig of free space in addition to the file, depending on what language wrote the compression utility there are things like a 2 gig limit on text strings in languages like VB and what degree of compression you obtain. Ken Stoker wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a file size limit when using Windows XP's >file compression utility? I have been trying to compress a 4GB SS2K >backup file with a password and it is only able to compress what >appears to be a portion of the file. When I extract the file and the >try to restore to another machine, the database files are corrupted. > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Ken > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jun 24 05:42:10 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:42:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP Compress File Limitation In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA3A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <40DB3CA2.660.1C360EFC@localhost> On 24 Jun 2004 at 11:15, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > I believe some version of Winzip has a limit of 2GB. > The original Zip file format limited the number of member files in a Zip file to 65,535, and the maximum size of both the Zip file itself and any member file to 4 gigabytes. WInzip 9.0 has extended this to virtually unlimited capacity. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jun 24 06:25:08 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:25:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? In-Reply-To: <02b301c459aa$36205ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <002e01c459dd$e7cddf90$0501a8c0@colbyws> Rocky, >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. Turn it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your machines. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a DVD burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which I'm using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's convenient.) Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the network to 'see' all the other machines. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at 1500 - > $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. > That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's > service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or > appliance but I've > heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I should - > $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and > all hardware problems. > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right > away. > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the > email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Rocky, > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name > > brand companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they > > rebranded them. > I > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm > > using to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no > > problems. But > yes, > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and > > its a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with > > HP, Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level > > of > said > > brand name you purchase. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > opposed > to > > what? > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their > > hardware > so > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > To: dba-tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > Compaq > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > 80GB HD > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > Windows XP Home > > > $1500 > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only > > > and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 09:01:46 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:01:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <002e01c459dd$e7cddf90$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <006901c459f3$c9fecae0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> John: How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Rocky, > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. Turn > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > machines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a DVD > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which I'm > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > convenient.) > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the network > to 'see' all the other machines. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:35 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at > 1500 - > > $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. > > That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's > > service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or > > appliance but > I've > > heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I > should - > > $250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and > > all hardware problems. > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right > > away. > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the > > email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big name > > > brand companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they > > > rebranded them. > > I > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one I'm > > > using to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - no > > > problems. But > > yes, > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the past and > > > its a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems with > > > HP, Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what cost level > > > of > > said > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > opposed > > to > > > what? > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to tweak their > > > hardware > > so > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > 80GB HD > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only > > > > and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 24 09:05:58 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:05:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC7D@ALCUXB> Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. Unlick the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? John: How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Rocky, > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. Turn > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > machines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a DVD > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which I'm > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > convenient.) > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical stuff. > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the network > to 'see' all the other machines. > > Rocky The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From garykjos at hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 09:14:25 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:14:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: Cool! New Toy! - errr I mean TOOL ! New TOOL. Not toy. Not toy at all. ;-) Have fun with the new TOOL Rocky. Give us a followup on how you like it after a few days. I'm thinking about getting a new notbook PC myself. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:23:52 -0700 > >Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's service >plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or appliance but I've >heard so many stories about portables for some reason I felt like I should >- >$250 for three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and all >hardware problems. > >Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right away. > >Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the email, >load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > >Rocky > From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 09:34:14 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:34:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC7D@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <008801c459f8$531cbbd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> John (and John): The firewall was unclicked. So I assume it's not active. When I click the notebook icon from my main machine I get the message: "\\Notebook is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource... etc. "Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested login type at this computer" ("Notebook" is the name of the new box. Clever, eh?) >From the notebook (which is XP Home) I can access the Main Machine (which is XP Pro) with no login. >From the notebook I can also access my secondary machine which is W2K but on the notebook when I do that it prompts me for a login. I put in Administrator for the name and no password and I get access from the notebook to the secondary machine. What to try next? I've got several of the 'anomalies' in my network. With the help of this list I hope I can finally get them resolved. MTIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's > connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. Unlick > the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > John: > > How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me > an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Rocky, > > > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > my > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > stuff. > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. > Turn > > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > > machines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a > DVD > > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory > > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading > > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which > I'm > > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > > convenient.) > > > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > stuff. > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the > network > > to 'see' all the other machines. > > > > Rocky > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 24 09:36:37 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:36:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC86@ALCUXB> ah - checkout the sharename - it might have a $ (dollar sign) after it, indicating that it's a hidden share, in which case you'll need to type it in as it is - \\notebook\c$ for instance or it won't see it. I won't profess to be an expert (I can't get my 2k pc to see my dad's 98 pc at home, or indeed any of the laptops or other devices that regularly use my network, but this should be pretty simple :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 24 June 2004 15:34 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? John (and John): The firewall was unclicked. So I assume it's not active. When I click the notebook icon from my main machine I get the message: "\\Notebook is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource... etc. "Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested login type at this computer" ("Notebook" is the name of the new box. Clever, eh?) >From the notebook (which is XP Home) I can access the Main Machine (which is XP Pro) with no login. >From the notebook I can also access my secondary machine which is W2K but on the notebook when I do that it prompts me for a login. I put in Administrator for the name and no password and I get access from the notebook to the secondary machine. What to try next? I've got several of the 'anomalies' in my network. With the help of this list I hope I can finally get them resolved. MTIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:05 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's > connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. Unlick > the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > John: > > How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me > an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Rocky, > > > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > my > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > stuff. > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. > Turn > > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > > machines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a > DVD > > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 memory > > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for downloading > > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which > I'm > > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > > convenient.) > > > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see my > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > stuff. > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get rejected. > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the > network > > to 'see' all the other machines. > > > > Rocky > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 09:55:50 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC86@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <009001c459fb$57707e30$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: 2 questions: 1) how do I check out the sharename? 2) where do I type it in? I'm not being given an opportunity to enter anything when I try to access the notebook from the main machine, just that message that I don't have the right to do it (And this is America!). Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > ah - checkout the sharename - it might have a $ (dollar sign) after it, > indicating that it's a hidden share, in which case you'll need to type it in > as it is - \\notebook\c$ for instance or it won't see it. I won't profess to > be an expert (I can't get my 2k pc to see my dad's 98 pc at home, or indeed > any of the laptops or other devices that regularly use my network, but this > should be pretty simple :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:34 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > John (and John): > > The firewall was unclicked. So I assume it's not active. When I click the > notebook icon from my main machine I get the message: > > "\\Notebook is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > network resource... etc. > > "Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested login type at > this computer" > > ("Notebook" is the name of the new box. Clever, eh?) > > >From the notebook (which is XP Home) I can access the Main Machine (which > is XP Pro) with no login. > > >From the notebook I can also access my secondary machine which is W2K but > on the notebook when I do that it prompts me for a login. I put in > Administrator for the name and no password and I get access from the > notebook to the secondary machine. > > What to try next? > > I've got several of the 'anomalies' in my network. With the help of this > list I hope I can finally get them resolved. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:05 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's > > connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. Unlick > > the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > John: > > > > How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me > > an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jwcolby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > > my > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > stuff. > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > rejected. > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. > > Turn > > > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > > > machines. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a > > DVD > > > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 > memory > > > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for > downloading > > > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > > > > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which > > I'm > > > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > > > convenient.) > > > > > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > my > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > stuff. > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > rejected. > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the > > network > > > to 'see' all the other machines. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 24 10:25:46 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:25:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC8B@ALCUXB> If you open explorer on the notebook, and right click on the C:\ drive a menu appears. Click sharing and it will give you the name of the share. That's what you have to type to gain access to the drive. How did you connect to it without knowing the name of the share? Maybe it's not a question of the sharename, but of user rights. Maybe you need to change the share permissions to include users of the other pc? Just guessing here as I'm a domain admin at work and can access everything... and I don't have an XP pc to hand to check on. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 24 June 2004 15:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Jon: 2 questions: 1) how do I check out the sharename? 2) where do I type it in? I'm not being given an opportunity to enter anything when I try to access the notebook from the main machine, just that message that I don't have the right to do it (And this is America!). Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > ah - checkout the sharename - it might have a $ (dollar sign) after it, > indicating that it's a hidden share, in which case you'll need to type it in > as it is - \\notebook\c$ for instance or it won't see it. I won't profess to > be an expert (I can't get my 2k pc to see my dad's 98 pc at home, or indeed > any of the laptops or other devices that regularly use my network, but this > should be pretty simple :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:34 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > John (and John): > > The firewall was unclicked. So I assume it's not active. When I click the > notebook icon from my main machine I get the message: > > "\\Notebook is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > network resource... etc. > > "Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested login type at > this computer" > > ("Notebook" is the name of the new box. Clever, eh?) > > >From the notebook (which is XP Home) I can access the Main Machine (which > is XP Pro) with no login. > > >From the notebook I can also access my secondary machine which is W2K but > on the notebook when I do that it prompts me for a login. I put in > Administrator for the name and no password and I get access from the > notebook to the secondary machine. > > What to try next? > > I've got several of the 'anomalies' in my network. With the help of this > list I hope I can finally get them resolved. > > MTIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:05 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's > > connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. Unlick > > the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > John: > > > > How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave me > > an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jwcolby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > > my > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > stuff. > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > rejected. > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. > > Turn > > > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > > > machines. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - > > > Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got a > > DVD > > > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 > memory > > > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for > downloading > > > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > > > > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - which > > I'm > > > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > > > convenient.) > > > > > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can see > my > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > stuff. > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > rejected. > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the > > network > > > to 'see' all the other machines. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 11:08:58 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:08:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC8B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <00eb01c45a05$8ed11560$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: For reasons which I will probably never understand, Notebook is now accessible by the other machines in the network. In the process of trying to share the Notebook C drive I ran the network setup Wizard, which create something called a Bridge which I had to delete to get the Notebook back on the network. After which everyone could access the notebook. The biggest problem now remaining is that none of the machines can access my wife's computer although she can access all the other machines. Any hints on that? TIA is ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > If you open explorer on the notebook, and right click on the C:\ drive a > menu appears. Click sharing and it will give you the name of the share. > That's what you have to type to gain access to the drive. How did you > connect to it without knowing the name of the share? > > Maybe it's not a question of the sharename, but of user rights. Maybe you > need to change the share permissions to include users of the other pc? Just > guessing here as I'm a domain admin at work and can access everything... and > I don't have an XP pc to hand to check on. > > > Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Jon: > > 2 questions: 1) how do I check out the sharename? 2) where do I type it > in? I'm not being given an opportunity to enter anything when I try to > access the notebook from the main machine, just that message that I don't > have the right to do it (And this is America!). > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:36 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > ah - checkout the sharename - it might have a $ (dollar sign) after it, > > indicating that it's a hidden share, in which case you'll need to type it > in > > as it is - \\notebook\c$ for instance or it won't see it. I won't profess > to > > be an expert (I can't get my 2k pc to see my dad's 98 pc at home, or > indeed > > any of the laptops or other devices that regularly use my network, but > this > > should be pretty simple :-) > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:34 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > John (and John): > > > > The firewall was unclicked. So I assume it's not active. When I click > the > > notebook icon from my main machine I get the message: > > > > "\\Notebook is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > > network resource... etc. > > > > "Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested login type at > > this computer" > > > > ("Notebook" is the name of the new box. Clever, eh?) > > > > >From the notebook (which is XP Home) I can access the Main Machine (which > > is XP Pro) with no login. > > > > >From the notebook I can also access my secondary machine which is W2K > but > > on the notebook when I do that it prompts me for a login. I put in > > Administrator for the name and no password and I get access from the > > notebook to the secondary machine. > > > > What to try next? > > > > I've got several of the 'anomalies' in my network. With the help of this > > list I hope I can finally get them resolved. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Open network properties, then right click on the actualy network that's > > > connected, go to properties, then the advanced page and it's there. > Unlick > > > the box. If you have Zonealarm running, you won't need XP's attempt. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 24 June 2004 15:02 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > How do you disable the firewall in XP Home. I went to help but it gave > me > > > an instruction that didn't match what was onthe screen. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jwcolby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:25 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > > > >Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can > see > > > my > > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > > stuff. > > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > > rejected. > > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > > > I experienced the same thing; That's the firewall that comes with XP. > > > Turn > > > > it off and you will be able to see the laptop from the rest of your > > > > machines. > > > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > - > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:15 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > E-machine wasn't available. Or I probably would have. This one's got > a > > > DVD > > > > burner - something I'll probably never use. But it's got the 5-in-1 > > memory > > > > card slot on the side which may prove useful. Especially for > > downloading > > > > pictures from my camera. It's pretty slow over serial port. > > > > > > > > (I just got one of those USB flash drives - 128MB on a key chain - > which > > > I'm > > > > using for short term backup and to take stuff to clients. That's > > > > convenient.) > > > > > > > > Only problem so far is logging into it from my main machine. I can > see > > my > > > > main machine from the laptop and am downloading now all the critical > > > stuff. > > > > But when I try to look at the laptop from the main machine I get > > rejected. > > > > Main machine is XP Pro while laptop is XP Home. > > > > > > > > Next (unpaid) project is going to be to get all the machines in the > > > network > > > > to 'see' all the other machines. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Jun 24 11:16:07 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:16:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC90@ALCUXB> Doncha just love computers? :-) Has she got anything shared? You need to have something shared before you can access it... other than that, nothing springs to mind. Could always try rubbing a lucky rabbits foot, or sacrifice a chicken or something... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 24 June 2004 17:09 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? Jon: For reasons which I will probably never understand, Notebook is now accessible by the other machines in the network. In the process of trying to share the Notebook C drive I ran the network setup Wizard, which create something called a Bridge which I had to delete to get the Notebook back on the network. After which everyone could access the notebook. The biggest problem now remaining is that none of the machines can access my wife's computer although she can access all the other machines. Any hints on that? TIA is ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > If you open explorer on the notebook, and right click on the C:\ drive a > menu appears. Click sharing and it will give you the name of the share. > That's what you have to type to gain access to the drive. How did you > connect to it without knowing the name of the share? > > Maybe it's not a question of the sharename, but of user rights. Maybe you > need to change the share permissions to include users of the other pc? Just > guessing here as I'm a domain admin at work and can access everything... and > I don't have an XP pc to hand to check on. > > > Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 11:40:46 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:40:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incoming connection Message-ID: <011601c45a0a$002a9520$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Trying to get my wife's machine to allow the other machines in the network to access it, I looked un 'permissions' in Help and got this: To grant incoming connection access rights to your computer Open Network Connections. Click Incoming Connections, and then, under Network Tasks, click Change settings of this connection. I think this may be what I need, but when I open network connections, I cannot find 'Network Tasks' anywhere. Does anyone know where they've hidden this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 11:41:18 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:41:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AC90@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <011d01c45a0a$12eecff0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Her drive C is shared. Tried the chicken. No luck. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Doncha just love computers? :-) > > Has she got anything shared? You need to have something shared before you > can access it... other than that, nothing springs to mind. > > Could always try rubbing a lucky rabbits foot, or sacrifice a chicken or > something... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 24 June 2004 17:09 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Jon: > > For reasons which I will probably never understand, Notebook is now > accessible by the other machines in the network. In the process of trying > to share the Notebook C drive I ran the network setup Wizard, which create > something called a Bridge which I had to delete to get the Notebook back on > the network. After which everyone could access the notebook. > > The biggest problem now remaining is that none of the machines can access my > wife's computer although she can access all the other machines. Any hints > on that? > > TIA > > is > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:25 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > If you open explorer on the notebook, and right click on the C:\ drive a > > menu appears. Click sharing and it will give you the name of the share. > > That's what you have to type to gain access to the drive. How did you > > connect to it without knowing the name of the share? > > > > Maybe it's not a question of the sharename, but of user rights. Maybe you > > need to change the share permissions to include users of the other pc? > Just > > guessing here as I'm a domain admin at work and can access everything... > and > > I don't have an XP pc to hand to check on. > > > > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kens.programming at verizon.net Thu Jun 24 12:06:40 2004 From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:06:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop on home network Message-ID: <20040624170644.KYVA18566.out011.verizon.net@enterprise> I am having problems getting my laptop to connect to my new home/office network. I have a server that is acting as the domain controller and using active directory, running Win2K Server. I have two other machines, one running Win2K and one WinXP Pro, that connected with very little problems. My laptop, on the other hand, says it cannot find the domain. I can ping my server from the laptop, but cannot ping the laptop from the server. I have tried to follow the troubleshooting help, which led me down the path of using nslookup to change some stuff I don't completely understand yet. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Ken From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Jun 24 15:13:16 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:13:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Message-ID: Group, Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or someone else is? Mark From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Jun 24 15:35:05 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:35:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers References: Message-ID: <01e501c45a2a$bbeb1ad0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Post it. We'll all take a crack at it. Lack of knowledge never stopped me before. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers > Group, > > Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, > can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or > someone else is? > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jun 24 16:55:09 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:55:09 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40DBDA5D.26587.1E9E2F80@localhost> On 24 Jun 2004 at 16:13, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport Ne wrote: > Group, > > Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, > can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or > someone else is? > Fire away. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Jun 25 03:23:18 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:23:18 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop on home network Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA3D@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Easy... Turn of the firewall(s) on your laptop. That is blcoking your regular LAN communications. Firewalls are not intended to be used inside a local Area Network. They do what they are supose to do, block acces to domains, disks, pings etc.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Stoker Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:07 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Laptop on home network I am having problems getting my laptop to connect to my new home/office network. I have a server that is acting as the domain controller and using active directory, running Win2K Server. I have two other machines, one running Win2K and one WinXP Pro, that connected with very little problems. My laptop, on the other hand, says it cannot find the domain. I can ping my server from the laptop, but cannot ping the laptop from the server. I have tried to follow the troubleshooting help, which led me down the path of using nslookup to change some stuff I don't completely understand yet. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Ken _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jim.moss at jlmoss.net Thu Jun 24 18:37:52 2004 From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (JMoss) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:37:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers In-Reply-To: <40DBDA5D.26587.1E9E2F80@localhost> Message-ID: I'm no good at decyphering email headers but one more possibility is that someone is spoofing your email address, which has happened to me. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers On 24 Jun 2004 at 16:13, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport Ne wrote: > Group, > > Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, > can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or > someone else is? > Fire away. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Sat Jun 26 03:08:02 2004 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:08:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? In-Reply-To: <002b01c4598b$7db3d440$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <008801c45b54$b3e05320$3500a8c0@dabsight> Seen this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/26/hp_ram_recall/ John > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 24 June 2004 02:35 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. > And at 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good > one. That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for > Fry's service plan, too. I never get service plans on any > computer or appliance but I've heard so many stories about > portables for some reason I felt like I should - $250 for > three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and > all hardware problems. > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the > wireless right away. > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, > test the email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Rocky, > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big > name brand > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded > > them. > I > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one > I'm using > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - > no problems. > > But > yes, > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the > past and its > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems > with HP, > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what > cost level of > said > > brand name you purchase. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > opposed > to > > what? > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to > tweak their > > hardware > so > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > To: dba-tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > Compaq > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > 80GB HD > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > Windows XP Home > > > $1500 > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Jun 26 08:37:44 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:37:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <008801c45b54$b3e05320$3500a8c0@dabsight> Message-ID: <002801c45b82$c322cb50$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I got the Compaq Presario R3000 (R3160 actually) so I guess I dodged that bullet. I hope. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJK(John) Robinson" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Seen this? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/26/hp_ram_recall/ > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: 24 June 2004 02:35 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. > > And at 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good > > one. That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for > > Fry's service plan, too. I never get service plans on any > > computer or appliance but I've heard so many stories about > > portables for some reason I felt like I should - $250 for > > three years. Karma says my insurance will prevent any and > > all hardware problems. > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the > > wireless right away. > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, > > test the email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big > > name brand > > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they rebranded > > > them. > > I > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one > > I'm using > > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - > > no problems. > > > But > > yes, > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the > > past and its > > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems > > with HP, > > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what > > cost level of > > said > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > opposed > > to > > > what? > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I know > > > they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to > > tweak their > > > hardware > > so > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more RAM > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > 80GB HD > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > recipient only and > > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Sat Jun 26 10:05:00 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer Message-ID: Hi All, I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? BTW Win 98 SE. MTIA Ed From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 10:10:19 2004 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:10:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer References: Message-ID: <002001c45b8f$b2c9ff50$1b02a8c0@MARTINREID> Now that would be really useful In the same position myself. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer > Hi All, > I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? > BTW Win 98 SE. > MTIA > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jun 26 10:20:55 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:20:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40DE20F7.12942.A52EDD@localhost> On 26 Jun 2004 at 11:05, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Hi All, I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital > camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, > 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into > one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase > the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. > My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder > at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the > trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one > folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do > this? BTW Win 98 SE. MTIA Ed Here's a link to a page with all the info you need. http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/renamers/ Note that one of their recommendations is the freeware Irfanview which I highly recommend for this and lots of other graphics viewing/manipulation tasks. You can bulk rename in all sorts of ways and move the images to a new folder at the same time. The web site contains a page with full instructions on how to do it. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Sat Jun 26 10:52:29 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:52:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer References: Message-ID: <00ee01c45b95$965df050$0400a8c0@S856> if the recommended Irfanview doesnt help, I have a little Access db (2k) which allows you to replace one (always the same) part of the filename with something else. I had written this to get rid of the DSCN, cause for some purpose the name (DSCN1905) was too long. but you can replace any part of the name with something else. only problem is, it is written in German. if you wnat it, let me know. you may change it to English and make it available to DBA Lembit Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer > Hi All, > I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? > BTW Win 98 SE. > MTIA > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Sat Jun 26 10:55:21 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:55:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks for the link, I'll check it out as soon as my ten week old puppy tires himself out and takes a nap. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Sat 6/26/2004 11:20 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer On 26 Jun 2004 at 11:05, Tesiny, Ed wrote: > Hi All, I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital > camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, > 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into > one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase > the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. > My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder > at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the > trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one > folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do > this? BTW Win 98 SE. MTIA Ed Here's a link to a page with all the info you need. http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/renamers/ Note that one of their recommendations is the freeware Irfanview which I highly recommend for this and lots of other graphics viewing/manipulation tasks. You can bulk rename in all sorts of ways and move the images to a new folder at the same time. The web site contains a page with full instructions on how to do it. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Jun 26 11:09:51 2004 From: mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:09:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer References: Message-ID: <004c01c45b98$08127340$0207a8c0@TopEnergy> You may indeed prefer one of the more sophisticated solutions recommended, but I believe a command window allows you to rename in bulk thus "ren 101_* NewOrleans_*" Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: Sent: 26 June 2004 16:05 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer > Hi All, > I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? > BTW Win 98 SE. > MTIA > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ralph at inweb.co.uk Sat Jun 26 15:13:34 2004 From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:13:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040626211116.027c42e0@pop3.inweb.co.uk> Ed. At 16:05 26/06/2004, you wrote: >Hi All, >I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It >(the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, >101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a >lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in >the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a >way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename >all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for >uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is >neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? >BTW Win 98 SE. I've used A.F.5 Rename your Files with some success... http://www.fauland.com/af5.htm HTH Ralph Bryce From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jun 26 17:24:06 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:24:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? In-Reply-To: <002801c45b82$c322cb50$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <006b01c45bcc$4baf4450$0501a8c0@colbyws> Maybe not. That machine looks exactly the same as a HP machine, just different brand and model number. However they do say all shipping laptops don't have the problem. They were nice enough to say other manufacturers might have the problem, but don't give enough else to determine if I do. I tried downloading their little app but it figures out mine isn't an HP and refuses to load. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? I got the Compaq Presario R3000 (R3160 actually) so I guess I dodged that bullet. I hope. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJK(John) Robinson" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Seen this? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/26/hp_ram_recall/ > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: 24 June 2004 02:35 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at > > 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. > > That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's > > service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or > > appliance but I've heard so many stories about portables for some > > reason I felt like I should - $250 for three years. Karma says my > > insurance will prevent any and all hardware problems. > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right > > away. > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the > > email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big > > name brand > > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they > > > rebranded them. > > I > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one > > I'm using > > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - > > no problems. > > > But > > yes, > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the > > past and its > > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems > > with HP, > > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what > > cost level of > > said > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > opposed > > to > > > what? > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I > > > know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to > > tweak their > > > hardware > > so > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more > > > > RAM > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > 80GB HD > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > recipient only and > > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sat Jun 26 17:36:44 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:36:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That would be pretty easy to do in code. Do you have all of the files in one folder (up the path), so you could point a function at one folder, and have it drill through the subfolders, moving everything to the root? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:05 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer Hi All, I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the same because when you erase the memory module in the camera it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on how to do this? BTW Win 98 SE. MTIA Ed _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jun 26 17:42:16 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:42:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36u7hd$1shg1m@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net> I batchfile rename all the time - I take hundreds of photos. After experimenting with several, the one I like the best, so much that I paid the shareware fee, is Better File Rename: http://www.publicspace.net/windows/BetterFileRename/ -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: 26 Jun 2004 8:05 am > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Renaming files in Windows Explorer > > Hi All, > I have a bunch of folders with picture files from my digital > camera. It (the camera) numbers them aoutomatically, e.g., > 101_0110, 101_0111, 101_0112, etc. I would like to get all > the pictures into one folder but a lot of the names are the > same because when you erase the memory module in the camera > it starts the numbering sequence over. My question, is there > a way I can rename a bunch of files in a folder at one time, > e.g., rename all the "101_" to "NewOrleans" and leave the > trailing numbers for uniqueness, then I could get them all in > one folder with a prefix that is neaningful. Any thoughts on > how to do this? > BTW Win 98 SE. > MTIA > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Jun 26 22:17:07 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:17:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <006b01c45bcc$4baf4450$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <004b01c45bf5$3a44f790$6601a8c0@HAL9002> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Maybe not. That machine looks exactly the same as a HP machine, just > different brand and model number. However they do say all shipping laptops > don't have the problem. > > They were nice enough to say other manufacturers might have the problem, but > don't give enough else to determine if I do. I tried downloading their > little app but it figures out mine isn't an HP and refuses to load. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > I got the Compaq Presario R3000 (R3160 actually) so I guess I dodged that > bullet. I hope. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJK(John) Robinson" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:08 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Seen this? > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/26/hp_ram_recall/ > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > > Sent: 24 June 2004 02:35 > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at > > > 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. > > > That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's > > > service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or > > > appliance but I've heard so many stories about portables for some > > > reason I felt like I should - $250 for three years. Karma says my > > > insurance will prevent any and all hardware problems. > > > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right > > > away. > > > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the > > > email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big > > > name brand > > > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they > > > > rebranded them. > > > I > > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one > > > I'm using > > > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - > > > no problems. > > > > But > > > yes, > > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the > > > past and its > > > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems > > > with HP, > > > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what > > > cost level of > > > said > > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > > opposed > > > to > > > > what? > > > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I > > > > know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to > > > tweak their > > > > hardware > > > so > > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more > > > > > RAM > > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > > 80GB HD > > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > > recipient only and > > > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Jun 26 22:17:47 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:17:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? References: <006b01c45bcc$4baf4450$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <004f01c45bf5$52640be0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> It loaded on my COMPAQ but said my memory was ok. Said the notebook's memory was pretty good, too. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > Maybe not. That machine looks exactly the same as a HP machine, just > different brand and model number. However they do say all shipping laptops > don't have the problem. > > They were nice enough to say other manufacturers might have the problem, but > don't give enough else to determine if I do. I tried downloading their > little app but it figures out mine isn't an HP and refuses to load. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:38 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > I got the Compaq Presario R3000 (R3160 actually) so I guess I dodged that > bullet. I hope. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJK(John) Robinson" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:08 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > Seen this? > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/26/hp_ram_recall/ > > > > John > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > > Sent: 24 June 2004 02:35 > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > LOL. Ya shoulda got the emachines m6805. I sure love mine. And at > > > 1500 - $250 rebate +$250 extended service plan... > > > > > > I'm quite sure you'll enjoy that machine though, it's a good one. > > > That's the one I was looking at before I got the EMachines. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:24 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > Well, I did it. Got the box described below. I went for Fry's > > > service plan, too. I never get service plans on any computer or > > > appliance but I've heard so many stories about portables for some > > > reason I felt like I should - $250 for three years. Karma says my > > > insurance will prevent any and all hardware problems. > > > > > > Plugged it in and it connected to my network over the wireless right > > > away. > > > > > > Lots of fun stuff to do now - Zone Alarm, Pop Up Stopper, test the > > > email, load Office. Sounds like a late night. :)))) > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:05 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > Last time I checked (a couple of years ago) none of the big > > > name brand > > > > companies (including Apple) made their own laptops - they > > > > rebranded them. > > > I > > > > don't know if this is still so. > > > > > > > > I have 2 Compaqs PCs behind me right now (including the one > > > I'm using > > > > to type this.) No problems. I have many on client sites - > > > no problems. > > > > But > > > yes, > > > > I have had problems with Compaq's proprietary ways in the > > > past and its > > > > a hard thing to shake off. I have had just as many problems > > > with HP, > > > > Dell, IBM, eMachines, MPC, etc. > > > > > > > > IMO it matters not what brand name you purchase but what > > > cost level of > > > said > > > > brand name you purchase. > > > > > > > > John B. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > No haggling at Fry's. Pick it up. Pay for it. End of discussion. > > > > > > > > I don't know about displays. Do you know what XGA TFT is and as > > > > opposed > > > to > > > > what? > > > > > > > > Also, I don't know why, but I've got a bias against COMPAQ. I > > > > know they make good stuff. Seems they always do something to > > > tweak their > > > > hardware > > > so > > > > you have to buy parts from them. Or something. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:00 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds good to me - try and get an upgrade to XP Pro and more > > > > > RAM > > > > > (haggle!!!) but otherwise it's very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > > > > Sent: 23 June 2004 15:59 > > > > > To: dba-tech > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Is this laptop any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fry's today: > > > > > > > > > > Compaq > > > > > AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ > > > > > 15.4 XGA TFT display > > > > > 512MB RAM DDR > > > > > 80GB HD > > > > > DVD+R/+RW Combo drive > > > > > Integrated WiFi (802.11g) > > > > > 56k, Ethernet & USB > > > > > Windows XP Home > > > > > $1500 > > > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > > > > > legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > > recipient only and > > > > > are subject to the legal notice available on request from : > > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK > > > > > Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Jun 27 15:51:01 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:51:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob In-Reply-To: <004f01c45bf5$52640be0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001f01c45c88$753483a0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Hi folks Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives and the rest don't but this seems impossible. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Jun 27 23:42:44 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:42:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Message-ID: <01db01c45cca$5af48520$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Dear List: I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually increase the tempo. Does anyone know of software which will do this? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Jun 28 00:00:42 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:00:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 References: <01db01c45cca$5af48520$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <01e801c45ccc$dd9accd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Never mind. Found one. It's called MP3 Doctor, free download and it's very slick. Only flaw is they nag you to register but the registration site is 404. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Dear List: I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually increase the tempo. Does anyone know of software which will do this? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Jun 28 00:47:41 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:47:41 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA48@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well I always turn of Autoarchiving when having Exchange server. I don't see the advantage to archive mails when you have Exchange server. You can always import those three archive back in the mailbox. The archives are regular PST files. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Hi folks Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives and the rest don't but this seems impossible. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Mon Jun 28 00:39:12 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:39:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob References: <001f01c45c88$753483a0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <40DFAF00.4070705@shaw.ca> No idea but have a hunt through Exchange issues here http://www.slipstick.com Andy Lacey wrote: >Hi folks >Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. > >A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all >3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. >However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any >change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the >problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up >getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it >may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on >Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One >possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but >then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered >this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives >and the rest don't but this seems impossible. > >-- Andy Lacey >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 28 00:57:14 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:57:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 In-Reply-To: <01db01c45cca$5af48520$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I've used the Wave Editor applet in Nero but not for that type of modification. There is a time correction feature in Wave Editor but I'm not sure if this will work for slowing down the tempo. MP3.com usually has good reviews of every kind of audio software. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:43 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Dear List: I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually increase the tempo. Does anyone know of software which will do this? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Jun 28 01:29:36 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:29:36 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA4A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Windows Media Player 9 has a slider to adjust the speed of the music. I think it's speed (pitch) and not tempo. Pitch and tempo are two different things.... But changing speed will also slow down the tempo (but also the sound of the music, like a turntable pitch). You can always download the free DJ version of Mix Vibes to change both. www.mixvibes.be Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 I've used the Wave Editor applet in Nero but not for that type of modification. There is a time correction feature in Wave Editor but I'm not sure if this will work for slowing down the tempo. MP3.com usually has good reviews of every kind of audio software. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:43 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Dear List: I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually increase the tempo. Does anyone know of software which will do this? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jun 28 03:26:47 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:26:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACAB@ALCUXB> I ususally only have personal folders set up on one pc to solve that problem, and only enable auto-archiving on that one pc. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 27 June 2004 21:51 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Hi folks Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives and the rest don't but this seems impossible. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jun 28 03:30:43 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:30:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACAC@ALCUXB> no, that's Media Centre in XP - doesn't do it for 2k. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 28 June 2004 07:30 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Windows Media Player 9 has a slider to adjust the speed of the music. I think it's speed (pitch) and not tempo. Pitch and tempo are two different things.... But changing speed will also slow down the tempo (but also the sound of the music, like a turntable pitch). You can always download the free DJ version of Mix Vibes to change both. www.mixvibes.be Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 I've used the Wave Editor applet in Nero but not for that type of modification. There is a time correction feature in Wave Editor but I'm not sure if this will work for slowing down the tempo. MP3.com usually has good reviews of every kind of audio software. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:43 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 Dear List: I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually increase the tempo. Does anyone know of software which will do this? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 28 04:31:13 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:31:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob SOLVED Message-ID: <20040628093111.2E4782573C5@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks Jon. When I first read your email I thought 'but that's exactly what I can't do because the folder settings are on the server and apply to all pcs the user logs on at'. But if you're doing that successfully.......???? So I experimented some more and eureka. What you're saying is that the global setting in Tools\Options as to whether to autoarchive at all or not is a local setting so can be on at one machine and off at another. Stupid of me not to try it before, but thanks for the pointer Jon. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Date: 28/06/04 08:28 > > I ususally only have personal folders set up on one pc to solve that > problem, and only enable auto-archiving on that one pc. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 27 June 2004 21:51 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob > > > Hi folks > Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. > > A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all > 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. > However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any > change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the > problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up > getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it > may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on > Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One > possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but > then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered > this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives > and the rest don't but this seems impossible. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Jun 28 04:32:36 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:32:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob SOLVED Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACAF@ALCUXB> Yeah, that's right. Glad to be able to help :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 28 June 2004 10:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob SOLVED Thanks Jon. When I first read your email I thought 'but that's exactly what I can't do because the folder settings are on the server and apply to all pcs the user logs on at'. But if you're doing that successfully.......???? So I experimented some more and eureka. What you're saying is that the global setting in Tools\Options as to whether to autoarchive at all or not is a local setting so can be on at one machine and off at another. Stupid of me not to try it before, but thanks for the pointer Jon. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Date: 28/06/04 08:28 > > I ususally only have personal folders set up on one pc to solve that > problem, and only enable auto-archiving on that one pc. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 27 June 2004 21:51 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob > > > Hi folks > Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. > > A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all > 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. > However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any > change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the > problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up > getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it > may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on > Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One > possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but > then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered > this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives > and the rest don't but this seems impossible. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 28 04:58:37 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 05:58:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Message-ID: Weird...never even saw my original post regarding this subject. So, to recap, is this a response to an infected email that *I* sent out...or what? Actually, this is the second such email that I have received. The first was very similar, yet the "Returned mail" was from the shaw.ca domain not textpad.net domain. Basically I'm just curious about all of this, not really concerned. I've scanned with Norton, Spybot, and AdAware and found nothing to suggest an infection on my part. Here is the header: *********************** Received: from xcgva081 (xcgva081.nns.com [172.30.10.115]) by npeimc02.nns.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id KLPPZY9A; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Received: from xcgmd805.northgrum.com ([155.104.117.53]) by xcgva081 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Received: by xcgmd805.md.essd.northgrum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:53 -0700 Received: from xcgmd812.northgrum.com ([155.104.240.108]) by xcgmd812.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id M28BD4YH; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:00:00 -0700 Received: from northgrum.com ([155.104.240.110]) by xcgmd812 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:59 -0700 Received: from ([207.44.204.37]) by xcgmd813.northgrum.com with ESMTP with TLS; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:55:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost) by srv01.textpad.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OJswV15251; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:55:00 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:55:00 GMT Message-Id: <200406241955.i5OJswV15251 at srv01.textpad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-ClientAddr: 80.185.4.129 Return-Path: Received: from fpywq.com (G0481.g.pppool.de [80.185.4.129]) by srv01.textpad.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i5OJsbK15185; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:54:37 GMT From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com To: Heike.Hilger at textpad.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:17:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Geschrieben von Margrit am 07. April 2004 -Key:1417- Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9e039eab9d372c.c92ad.qmail at ngc.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-TextPad-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TextPad-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: mark.mitsules at ngc.com --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net-- *********************** -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Post it. We'll all take a crack at it. Lack of knowledge never stopped me before. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers > Group, > > Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, > can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or > someone else is? > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 28 05:04:13 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:04:13 -0400 Subject: FW: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Message-ID: Yep, someone must be spoofing my address. Two more came in over the weekend. ********** This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: mfgholler at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded mirco.weinberger at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Mirko.Rolle at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded muchserk at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded natalie-ertel at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded nero-nemesis at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded notar-guettler at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded onkel-moep at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded philipp2505 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Pinkiller at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded r.hirt at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded gel at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Reli.Zimmermann at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded ReneBachran at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded sabbse at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded sasa27 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Schade_Jacqueline at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Schade-Jacqueline at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded snachsel at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded s-shaupt at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded stefanie1 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded steffen.gretsch at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded SuesserEngel1 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Teufelchen1c at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded ThomasBusshardt at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded tine_mhl at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded web-mit-chris at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded witheprincess at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded heidi-16 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded zmirnoff at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded nadine.ruhland at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded Alexander.Gaedke at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded webpcgo at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded ik8rp at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded P_4EV8GU at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded DYV at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded K0 at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded 3p at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded g_ at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded 8ki at microtouch.co.uk Connection timed out: retry timeout exceeded ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [80.185.31.35] (helo=eksae.com) by lfallback1.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net with smtp id 1Be7OB-0000Xz-Hv; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:14:15 +0000 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 05:31:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Auslaenderanteile in Schweizer Gefaengnissen Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bcc: Der extrem hohe Auslaenderanteil in den Schweizer Gefaengnissen beruht auf zwei Tatsachen. Erstens wird ein ueberdurchschnittlich grosser Anteil an Delikten von Auslaendern veruebt und zweitens sind die Delikte, welche von Auslaendern veruebt werden, meist schwerer, so dass die Auslaender im Schnitt laenger in den Gefaengnissen bleiben als Schweizer. ********** -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Weird...never even saw my original post regarding this subject. So, to recap, is this a response to an infected email that *I* sent out...or what? Actually, this is the second such email that I have received. The first was very similar, yet the "Returned mail" was from the shaw.ca domain not textpad.net domain. Basically I'm just curious about all of this, not really concerned. I've scanned with Norton, Spybot, and AdAware and found nothing to suggest an infection on my part. Here is the header: *********************** Received: from xcgva081 (xcgva081.nns.com [172.30.10.115]) by npeimc02.nns.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id KLPPZY9A; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Received: from xcgmd805.northgrum.com ([155.104.117.53]) by xcgva081 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:00:52 -0400 Received: by xcgmd805.md.essd.northgrum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:53 -0700 Received: from xcgmd812.northgrum.com ([155.104.240.108]) by xcgmd812.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id M28BD4YH; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:00:00 -0700 Received: from northgrum.com ([155.104.240.110]) by xcgmd812 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:59 -0700 Received: from ([207.44.204.37]) by xcgmd813.northgrum.com with ESMTP with TLS; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:55:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost) by srv01.textpad.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5OJswV15251; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:55:00 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:55:00 GMT Message-Id: <200406241955.i5OJswV15251 at srv01.textpad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-ClientAddr: 80.185.4.129 Return-Path: Received: from fpywq.com (G0481.g.pppool.de [80.185.4.129]) by srv01.textpad.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i5OJsbK15185; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:54:37 GMT From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com To: Heike.Hilger at textpad.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:17:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Geschrieben von Margrit am 07. April 2004 -Key:1417- Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9e039eab9d372c.c92ad.qmail at ngc.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-TextPad-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TextPad-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: mark.mitsules at ngc.com --i5OJswV15251.1088106900/srv01.textpad.net-- *********************** -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Post it. We'll all take a crack at it. Lack of knowledge never stopped me before. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers > Group, > > Anyone here at all proficient in deciphering email headers? If I post one, > can someone at least tell me whether it looks like *I* am infected, or > someone else is? > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 28 05:27:00 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:27:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Message-ID: I also turn off auto archiving. The reasons are too varied to list, but suffice to say that periodic manual archiving works for me... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Well I always turn of Autoarchiving when having Exchange server. I don't see the advantage to archive mails when you have Exchange server. You can always import those three archive back in the mailbox. The archives are regular PST files. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Hi folks Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his mail from all 3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age to a local PST. However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the server cos any change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different w/s. And the problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time his archive end up getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to pc1 on Monday it may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he uses pc2 on Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on that C: drive. One possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the network, but then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has anyone encountered this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that one w/s archives and the rest don't but this seems impossible. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 28 05:48:25 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:48:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40E08419.218.75B867E@localhost> On 28 Jun 2004 at 5:58, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport Ne wrote: > > Here is the header: > *********************** No you are not infected. This is a response sent to you by a mail server in Texas. Everyones Internet, Inc. 2600 Southwest Freeway Suite 500 Houston, TX 77098 They apparently host the textpad.com domain which is owned by Helios Software Solutions PO Box 619 LONGRIDGE PR3 2GW England The Texas ISP received an email for "Heike.Hilger at textpad.com" which had your name in the From: address but which was actually sent to them from G0481.g.pppool.de [80.185.4.129]. This a dialup or cable modem connection through an ISP in Germany: freenet Cityline GmbH Willstaetterstrasse 13 40549 Duesseldorf Germany Bottom line: Someone in Germany got infected by either a virus or a trojan. They had your address somewhere on their computer. The malicious program sent an email to the textpad address but forged your address in the From: header. It probably also sent the message to the shaw.ca address. Incidentally a get lots of these false bounces all the time :-( -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jun 28 05:54:12 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:54:12 +1000 Subject: FW: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40E08574.32184.760CF08@localhost> On 28 Jun 2004 at 6:04, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: > Yep, someone must be spoofing my address. Two more came in over the > weekend. > ********** Something, not someone :-) > > Return-path: > Received: from [80.185.31.35] (helo=eksae.com) Same IP Block from freenet in Germany. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 28 06:00:17 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:00:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Message-ID: Thanks Stuart. I have a sinking feeling that I'll be getting more and more :((( Mark -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 6:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers On 28 Jun 2004 at 5:58, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport Ne wrote: > > Here is the header: > *********************** No you are not infected. This is a response sent to you by a mail server in Texas. Everyones Internet, Inc. 2600 Southwest Freeway Suite 500 Houston, TX 77098 They apparently host the textpad.com domain which is owned by Helios Software Solutions PO Box 619 LONGRIDGE PR3 2GW England The Texas ISP received an email for "Heike.Hilger at textpad.com" which had your name in the From: address but which was actually sent to them from G0481.g.pppool.de [80.185.4.129]. This a dialup or cable modem connection through an ISP in Germany: freenet Cityline GmbH Willstaetterstrasse 13 40549 Duesseldorf Germany Bottom line: Someone in Germany got infected by either a virus or a trojan. They had your address somewhere on their computer. The malicious program sent an email to the textpad address but forged your address in the From: header. It probably also sent the message to the shaw.ca address. Incidentally a get lots of these false bounces all the time :-( -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Jun 28 06:05:28 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:05:28 -0400 Subject: FW: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers Message-ID: "Something"? Are you saying that they are not human? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 6:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Internet Mail Headers On 28 Jun 2004 at 6:04, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: > Yep, someone must be spoofing my address. Two more came in over the > weekend. > ********** Something, not someone :-) > > Return-path: > Received: from [80.185.31.35] (helo=eksae.com) Same IP Block from freenet in Germany. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Mon Jun 28 02:20:35 2004 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:20:35 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FA0@server.bondsoftware.co.nz> Andy I forwarded your q on to my local guru and he replied as follows: Hey Stephen, I am not really a big fan of AutoArchive and considering Exchange 5.5 can have a single information store of 16GB is there a real need for this. There is no real way of making it static to one place unless you use roaming profiles. This of course could have an effect on log-in time because you are dragging the archives across the wire each time you log in and log out. HTH > Andy Lacey wrote: > > >Hi folks > >Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. > > > >A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his > mail from all > >3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age > to a local PST. > >However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the > server cos any > >change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different > w/s. And the > >problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time > his archive end up > >getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to > pc1 on Monday it > >may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he > uses pc2 on > >Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on > that C: drive. One > >possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the > network, but > >then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has > anyone encountered > >this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that > one w/s archives > >and the rest don't but this seems impossible. > > > >-- Andy Lacey > >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Jun 28 07:30:03 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 05:30:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADA4A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <002901c45d0b$a3851d90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Erwin, This mp3Doctor changes temp without changing pitch. It was perfect. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 > Windows Media Player 9 has a slider to adjust the speed of the music. > I think it's speed (pitch) and not tempo. > Pitch and tempo are two different things.... > But changing speed will also slow down the tempo (but also the sound of > the music, like a turntable pitch). > > > You can always download the free DJ version of Mix Vibes to change both. > www.mixvibes.be > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:57 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 > > I've used the Wave Editor applet in Nero but not for that type of > modification. There is a time correction feature in Wave Editor but I'm > not sure if this will work for slowing down the tempo. MP3.com usually > has good reviews of every kind of audio software. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:43 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] SLow Up An MP3 > > > Dear List: > > I have an MP3 I'm trying to play along with but the temp is too fast. > I'd like to slow it down to where I can play with it and then gradually > increase the tempo. > > Does anyone know of software which will do this? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Jun 28 09:38:26 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:38:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Message-ID: <20040628143823.A046A273BFB@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks Stephen. He's right of course that you can't make the autoarchive static but Jim's answer did me fine, allowing me to switch off AutoArchiving at all machines bar one. Just the ticket. But thanks again for taking the trouble. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Exchange/Outlook - autoarchive prob Date: 28/06/04 12:45 > > Andy I forwarded your q on to my local guru and he replied as follows: > > <quote> > Hey Stephen, > > I am not really a big fan of AutoArchive and considering Exchange 5.5 > can have a single information store of 16GB is there a real need for > this. > > There is no real way of making it static to one place unless you use roaming profiles. This of course could have an effect on log-in time because you are dragging the archives across the wire each time you log in and log out. > </quote> > > HTH > > > > Andy Lacey wrote: > > > > >Hi folks > > >Any ideas on this one? Exchange 5.5 + Outlook 2K. > > > > > >A single user uses 3 different workstations and accesses his > > mail from all > > >3. Autoarchive is used to archive items over a certain age > > to a local PST. > > >However it appears that Autoarchive rules are held at the > > server cos any > > >change at one w/s is picked up next time he uses a different > > w/s. And the > > >problem is that as autoarchiving can kick off at any time > > his archive end up > > >getting divided between the 3 machines. IOW if he goes to > > pc1 on Monday it > > >may do some autoarchiving to that m/c's C: drive, and if he > > uses pc2 on > > >Tuesday the archiving puts some items into the archive on > > that C: drive. One > > >possible solution would be to make the archive a file on the > > network, but > > >then it wouldn't be available if the net was down. Has > > anyone encountered > > >this? Anyone got a neat solution? We'd like to elect that > > one w/s archives > > >and the rest don't but this seems impossible. > > > > > >-- Andy Lacey > > >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Marty Connelly > > Victoria, B.C. > > Canada > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Jun 28 12:50:06 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:50:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager Message-ID: <014c01c45d38$59390f80$6601a8c0@HAL9002> What is Sonic Update Manager and why does it keep trying to access the Internet? TIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Jun 28 14:37:32 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:37:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager Message-ID: Do you have one of these programs???? ------------------ * Sonic MyDVD? - The World's Leading DVD Creation Software * Drive Letter Access (DLA) gives you the ability to easily drag-and-drop your files directly to a recordable CD or DVD disc and make the disc compatible with almost any Windows computer. * Sonic DVDit!? - The Smartest Way to Publish on DVD. * Sonic CinePlayer? - The highest quality DVD Playback software for your PC. * Sonic PrimeTime? - the easiest way to burn DVDs of your recorded TV shows in Windows XP? Media Center Edition. * Sonic PrimeTime? Deluxe - the easiest way to burn DVDs of your recorded TV shows in Windows XP? Media Center Edition. Sonic PrimeTime Deluxe includes high-quality Dolby AC3 audio, and puts you in control of the menus on your DVDs. * Backup MyPC - Backup MyPC provides automated, easy-to-use data protection and disaster recovery for single computers or small home networks. * RecordNow! v7 - Sonic RecordNow! is the easiest way to burn and copy CDs/DVDs and share data. * RecordNow! Deluxe v7 - Sonic RecordNow! Deluxe is the easiest way to rip and burn audio CDs, copy discs, archive and share data and create personalized disc labels. * RecordNow! Deluxe Suite v7 - Sonic RecordNow! Deluxe Suite is the easiest way to rip and burn audio CDs, copy discs, archive and share data, backup your system, and create stunning disc labels. * Simple Backup - The easiest way to backup your PC! ------------------ Perhaps is came bundled with something else, like a DVD Burner? It's trying to check for updates. http://www.sonic.com Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "dba-tech" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:50:06 -0700 > >What is Sonic Update Manager and why does it keep trying to access the >Internet? > >TIA, > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Jun 28 15:50:13 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:50:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager References: Message-ID: <017101c45d51$82d3cfb0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Yeah. Just got that notebook with a DVD burner. So that's probably it. Sounds harmless. Zone Alarm keeps asking me if it's OK to let it have access to the internet. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager > Do you have one of these programs???? > > ------------------ > * Sonic MyDVD? - The World's Leading DVD Creation Software > * Drive Letter Access (DLA) gives you the ability to easily drag-and-drop > your files directly to a recordable CD or DVD disc and make the disc > compatible with almost any Windows computer. > * Sonic DVDit!? - The Smartest Way to Publish on DVD. > * Sonic CinePlayerT - The highest quality DVD Playback software for your PC. > * Sonic PrimeTimeT - the easiest way to burn DVDs of your recorded TV shows > in Windows XP? Media Center Edition. > * Sonic PrimeTimeT Deluxe - the easiest way to burn DVDs of your recorded TV > shows in Windows XP? Media Center Edition. Sonic PrimeTime Deluxe includes > high-quality Dolby AC3 audio, and puts you in control of the menus on your > DVDs. > * Backup MyPC - Backup MyPC provides automated, easy-to-use data protection > and disaster recovery for single computers or small home networks. > * RecordNow! v7 - Sonic RecordNow! is the easiest way to burn and copy > CDs/DVDs and share data. > * RecordNow! Deluxe v7 - Sonic RecordNow! Deluxe is the easiest way to rip > and burn audio CDs, copy discs, archive and share data and create > personalized disc labels. > * RecordNow! Deluxe Suite v7 - Sonic RecordNow! Deluxe Suite is the easiest > way to rip and burn audio CDs, copy discs, archive and share data, backup > your system, and create stunning disc labels. > * Simple Backup - The easiest way to backup your PC! > ------------------ > > Perhaps is came bundled with something else, like a DVD Burner? It's trying > to check for updates. > > http://www.sonic.com > > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] Sonic Update Manager > >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:50:06 -0700 > > > >What is Sonic Update Manager and why does it keep trying to access the > >Internet? > > > >TIA, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From artful at rogers.com Tue Jun 29 09:25:34 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:25:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Question In-Reply-To: <017101c45d51$82d3cfb0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <034401c45de4$f1074a50$6601a8c0@rock> I'm looking for "go to", which I can find on the menu, but it doesn't do what I want. What I want is this: I visit a cell whose formula says, "=AE145" or something similar. I want a keystroke that takes me right there without having to scroll to get there -- and once there, a keystroke that will return me to where I was. Is there such a beast? TIA, Arthur From artful at rogers.com Tue Jun 29 09:28:19 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:28:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question In-Reply-To: <017101c45d51$82d3cfb0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <034501c45de5$52f776e0$6601a8c0@rock> Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". Arthur From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 29 10:26:11 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC7@ALCUXB> Not sure - you could go to Window/New window and open a second copy of the worksheet so you can see both at the same time. Remember to close the 2nd window instead of the 1st or you'll have all sorts of problems :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 29 June 2004 15:26 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel Question I'm looking for "go to", which I can find on the menu, but it doesn't do what I want. What I want is this: I visit a cell whose formula says, "=AE145" or something similar. I want a keystroke that takes me right there without having to scroll to get there -- and once there, a keystroke that will return me to where I was. Is there such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 29 10:28:03 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:28:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC8@ALCUXB> oh, how'd you do it? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: 29 June 2004 15:28 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 29 11:24:50 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:24:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC8@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC8@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <40E197D2.2010006@verizon.net> It's a secrete ;o) Jon Tydda wrote On 6/29/2004 8:28 AM: >oh, how'd you do it? > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] >Sent: 29 June 2004 15:28 >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question > > >Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". > >Arthur > >_______________________________________________ > > -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Jun 29 11:25:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:25:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACCC@ALCUXB> :-( *chuckle* Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 29 June 2004 17:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question It's a secrete ;o) Jon Tydda wrote On 6/29/2004 8:28 AM: >oh, how'd you do it? > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] >Sent: 29 June 2004 15:28 >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question > > >Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". > >Arthur > >_______________________________________________ > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 29 11:32:42 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:32:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question In-Reply-To: <40E197D2.2010006@verizon.net> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC8@ALCUXB> <40E197D2.2010006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <40E199AA.2030609@verizon.net> look up activecell, you can capture the current location of the cell then simply create a macro that is called w/ a hot key combination, whenever you hit it it will invoke your vba code to capture and move your current cell location to the old one. Francisco H Tapia wrote On 6/29/2004 9:24 AM: > It's a secrete ;o) > > Jon Tydda wrote On 6/29/2004 8:28 AM: > >> oh, how'd you do it? >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] >> Sent: 29 June 2004 15:28 >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question >> >> >> Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". >> >> Arthur >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> -- -Francisco From artful at rogers.com Tue Jun 29 14:14:05 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:14:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACC8@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <03a401c45e0d$3f32b4d0$6601a8c0@rock> Double-click the referenced cell-name in the formula bar, then press Ctrl+G. This adds the selected data to the dropdown in the popup GoTo window. Click and Go. Press Escape and return. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:28 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question oh, how'd you do it? Jon From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Jun 29 14:22:52 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:22:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACCC@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63ACCC@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <40E1C18C.2080403@verizon.net> For example on the worksheet you want to do this you add this code snippet (air code) Dim oX As Object, X As Object Sub MyPastLocation() oX.Activate End Sub Private Sub Worksheet_SelectionChange(ByVal Target As Range) Set oX = X Set X = ActiveCell End Sub then in the tool menu go to macros the edit, then select the MyPastLocation macro and click options and select the hotkey of your choice. :), happy coding... Jon Tydda wrote On 6/29/2004 9:25 AM: >:-( > >*chuckle* > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] >Sent: 29 June 2004 17:25 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question > > >It's a secrete ;o) > >Jon Tydda wrote On 6/29/2004 8:28 AM: > > > >>oh, how'd you do it? >> >> >>Jon >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] >>Sent: 29 June 2004 15:28 >>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Simple Excel Question >> >> >>Never mind! I figured it out right after clicking "Send". >> >>Arthur >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> -- -Francisco From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jun 29 19:56:50 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:56:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DRAM Glitch Message-ID: <009f01c45e3d$20c45410$0501a8c0@colbyws> Just found this in an ExtremeTech newsletter I get. The DRAM problem mentioned by someone is apparently only known to affect INTEL chipsets. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1617438,00.asp Those of us AMD folks may not have any problem. That would be nice! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From my.lists at verizon.net Wed Jun 30 11:29:43 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:29:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] DRAM Glitch In-Reply-To: <009f01c45e3d$20c45410$0501a8c0@colbyws> References: <009f01c45e3d$20c45410$0501a8c0@colbyws> Message-ID: <40E2EA77.4060906@verizon.net> One way to always make sure your ram will be as compatible as can be expected is to run such diagnostic software such as: http://www.memtest86.com/ jwcolby wrote On 6/29/2004 5:56 PM: >Just found this in an ExtremeTech newsletter I get. The DRAM problem >mentioned by someone is apparently only known to affect INTEL chipsets. > >http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1617438,00.asp > >Those of us AMD folks may not have any problem. That would be nice! > > -- -Francisco