From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Mar 4 18:48:43 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:48:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Hit counter for web pages Message-ID: Does anyone have a hit counter that I can just cut and paste code into my web page? Shows my ignorance I know but I need something that will do that for me. I need a hit counter for each page, visible on the page itself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Thu Mar 4 19:22:42 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:52:42 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Hit counter for web pages Message-ID: What language? What does your server/host offer in terms of scripts / languages? Google will provide plenty of results.. -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 11:19 AM To: AccessD; DBA - Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] OT - Hit counter for web pages Does anyone have a hit counter that I can just cut and paste code into my web page? Shows my ignorance I know but I need something that will do that for me. I need a hit counter for each page, visible on the page itself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Mar 5 11:00:39 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:00:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A74C@ALCUXB> http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=22878 Some software developers may find their applications no longer work on machines using Microsoft Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, which will be released later this year. Microsoft has made something of a trade-off with the update, focusing on security improvements at the expense of backward compatibility. The company has called on all software developers to test their code against the beta version of Service Pack 2, or face the possibility that the update will break their handiwork. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 6 07:24:26 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:24:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Offtopic: Word, macros and applying styles to paragraphs Message-ID: I am working on formatting existing word documents to use styles from a document template. I can select text and then click on the style, select the style and apply that style to the selected text. I'm wondering if Word has a "macro" system that I could use to apply hotkeys to macro styles so that I can just tap hotkeys to apply the styles to the paragraphs selected? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From ralph at inweb.co.uk Sat Mar 6 13:08:44 2004 From: ralph at inweb.co.uk (Ralph Bryce) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:08:44 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Offtopic: Word, macros and applying styles to paragraphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040306185916.02647c40@127.0.0.1> John, At 13:24 06/03/2004, you wrote: >I am working on formatting existing word documents to use styles from a >document template. I can select text and then click on the style, select >the style and apply that style to the selected text. I'm wondering if Word >has a "macro" system that I could use to apply hotkeys to macro styles so >that I can just tap hotkeys to apply the styles to the paragraphs selected? Apologies if it's not quite what you're looking for... In Word 2000: Right click a toolbar; from the menu, choose Customize, Click the Keyboard... button, From the Categories list choose Styles, Choose your style from the Styles list, Click into "Press new shortcut key" Choose key combination, Click Assign HTH... Regards Ralph Bryce From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Mar 6 14:52:45 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:52:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Offtopic: Word, macros and applying styles toparagraphs In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040306185916.02647c40@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Thanks, I think that was what I am looking for. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Bryce Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:09 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Offtopic: Word, macros and applying styles toparagraphs John, At 13:24 06/03/2004, you wrote: >I am working on formatting existing word documents to use styles from a >document template. I can select text and then click on the style, select >the style and apply that style to the selected text. I'm wondering if Word >has a "macro" system that I could use to apply hotkeys to macro styles so >that I can just tap hotkeys to apply the styles to the paragraphs selected? Apologies if it's not quite what you're looking for... In Word 2000: Right click a toolbar; from the menu, choose Customize, Click the Keyboard... button, From the Categories list choose Styles, Choose your style from the Styles list, Click into "Press new shortcut key" Choose key combination, Click Assign HTH... Regards Ralph Bryce _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Sat Mar 6 18:07:31 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:07:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old style macro program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013101c403d8$302707a0$6501a8c0@rock> Does anyone know of an old-style macro program that works in Windows environments? By old-style I don't mean the oldest style (i.e. ASM macros, but the DOS-era style like ProKey and similar). I installed WinKey but so far as I can see all it does is Windows commands. I want a ProKey-style program that can let me define a key to type 100 keystrokes, wait for input, then type 100 more keystrokes. A cursory look at WinKey suggests it is not intended for this purpose. Any suggestions, folks? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Mar 6 18:00:41 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:00:41 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old style macro program In-Reply-To: <013101c403d8$302707a0$6501a8c0@rock> References: Message-ID: <404AF2C9.144.29A967@localhost> On 6 Mar 2004 at 16:07, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Does anyone know of an old-style macro program that works in Windows > environments? By old-style I don't mean the oldest style (i.e. ASM > macros, but the DOS-era style like ProKey and similar). > > I installed WinKey but so far as I can see all it does is Windows > commands. I want a ProKey-style program that can let me define a key to > type 100 keystrokes, wait for input, then type 100 more keystrokes. A > cursory look at WinKey suggests it is not intended for this purpose. > > Any suggestions, folks? > It may be worth taking a look at HoeKey from http://bcheck.arsware.org/hoe.php "HoeKey lets you assign most keys on your keyboard to many different actions. You set this up in a config file." ... Input|Text|Title|Timeout|Default Get quick user input The results of the user input goes into the variable %u, for later usage by Run, or MsgBox, or whatever. ........ Keys|Keystrokes|Delay Playback keystrokes. Optional Delay in milliseconds" -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From artful at rogers.com Sun Mar 7 00:21:23 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:21:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old style macro program In-Reply-To: <404AF2C9.144.29A967@localhost> Message-ID: <016701c4040c$6a3826c0$6501a8c0@rock> Definitely what I had in mind. Thanks for the pointer. Looks like a bit of a learning curve though.... Arthur It may be worth taking a look at HoeKey from http://bcheck.arsware.org/hoe.php "HoeKey lets you assign most keys on your keyboard to many different actions. You set this up in a config file." ... Input|Text|Title|Timeout|Default Get quick user input The results of the user input goes into the variable %u, for later usage by Run, or MsgBox, or whatever. ........ Keys|Keystrokes|Delay Playback keystrokes. Optional Delay in milliseconds" -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Mar 6 21:29:51 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:29:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: <006101c403f4$73c65da0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? Anyone know of anything like that? Rocky From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Mar 6 21:43:26 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:43:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <006101c403f4$73c65da0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <006901c403f6$596c1470$6601a8c0@HAL9002> P.S. We've been installing the windows updates right along. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? Anyone know of anything like that? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Mar 6 22:15:55 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:15:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <006101c403f4$73c65da0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <006901c403f6$596c1470$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <007701c403fa$e3013130$6601a8c0@HAL9002> P.P.S. This is my wife's machine, BTW. It suddenly just came alive and dumped a bunch of email into her OE. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > P.S. We've been installing the windows updates right along. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "dba-tech" > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The > wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's > become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at > random. > > Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if > some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm > not aware of. > > We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the > neighborhood be causing some problem? > > Anyone know of anything like that? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Mar 6 22:38:08 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:38:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <006101c403f4$73c65da0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <404B33D0.2717.127ABB6@localhost> On 6 Mar 2004 at 19:29, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. > > Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. > > We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? > > Anyone know of anything like that? > More likely to be interference than anything else. It's starting to happen more and more as people put in there own systems in close proximity to others. Quote from Linksys: "Any device operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum may cause network interference with a 802.11b wireless device. Some devices that may prove troublesome include 2.4 GHz cordless phones, microwave ovens, adjacent public hotspots, and neighboring 802.11b wireless LANs." Any neighbours set up recently? Can you change channel on your network? -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 6 23:02:31 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:02:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404B33D0.2717.127ABB6@localhost> Message-ID: <006b01c40401$6564f4d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...tunable wireless network interference filters are readily available ...the intermittent nature suggest a neighbor got a new phone or microwave, etc. in your wireless band. William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 6 Mar 2004 at 19:29, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. > > > > Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. > > > > We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? > > > > Anyone know of anything like that? > > > > More likely to be interference than anything else. > > It's starting to happen more and more as people put in there own > systems in close proximity to others. > > Quote from Linksys: > > "Any device operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum may cause network > interference with a 802.11b wireless device. Some devices that may > prove troublesome include 2.4 GHz cordless phones, microwave ovens, > adjacent public hotspots, and neighboring 802.11b wireless LANs." > > Any neighbours set up recently? Can you change channel on your > network? > > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Sun Mar 7 04:22:15 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:52:15 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps Message-ID: Give em a bit of a chance. Its still in Beta isn't it. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2004 3:31 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=22878 Some software developers may find their applications no longer work on machines using Microsoft Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, which will be released later this year. Microsoft has made something of a trade-off with the update, focusing on security improvements at the expense of backward compatibility. The company has called on all software developers to test their code against the beta version of Service Pack 2, or face the possibility that the update will break their handiwork. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 09:07:13 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:07:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404B33D0.2717.127ABB6@localhost> Message-ID: <001901c40455$df3bb560$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Stuart and William: If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature stop the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the word. Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different channels like the wireless phones? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 6 Mar 2004 at 19:29, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. > > > > Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. > > > > We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? > > > > Anyone know of anything like that? > > > > More likely to be interference than anything else. > > It's starting to happen more and more as people put in there own > systems in close proximity to others. > > Quote from Linksys: > > "Any device operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum may cause network > interference with a 802.11b wireless device. Some devices that may > prove troublesome include 2.4 GHz cordless phones, microwave ovens, > adjacent public hotspots, and neighboring 802.11b wireless LANs." > > Any neighbours set up recently? Can you change channel on your > network? > > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Mar 7 09:28:35 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:28:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <001901c40455$df3bb560$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost> On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > Stuart and William: > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature stop > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the word. > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > channels like the wireless phones? > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce performance. There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to how to do it. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 09:54:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:54:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost> Message-ID: <002f01c4045c$75c40720$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really short. Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting is done at the router end? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Stuart and William: > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature stop > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the word. > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > performance. > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > how to do it. > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DBCfour at aol.com Sun Mar 7 09:58:40 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:58:40 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in the past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for you guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to something in the cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router over a couple of inches and it went back to normal. Donna In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > short. > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting is > done at the router end? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > stop > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the > word. > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > performance. > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > how to do it. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 10:17:16 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:17:16 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Donna: no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router is going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still 'good' to 'very good'. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in the > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for you > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to something in the > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router over a > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > Donna > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > short. > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting is > > done at the router end? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > stop > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the > > word. > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > performance. > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > how to do it. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From artful at rogers.com Sun Mar 7 13:25:24 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:25:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <006b01c40401$6564f4d0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <01e401c40479$f0d26250$6501a8c0@rock> Plus a bit of Friday humour, late. A guy got busted in Ontario a couple of weeks back for driving the wrong way down a one-way street. Then the officer noticed the man was not wearing pants. Then the officer noticed that the man had a notebook computer running on the passenger seat. Turns out the guy was hooking into a wireless network on that street and downloading kiddie porn. True story. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk ...tunable wireless network interference filters are readily available ...the intermittent nature suggest a neighbor got a new phone or microwave, etc. in your wireless band. William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 6 Mar 2004 at 19:29, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > I've got four machines hardwired in a wireless router and one > > wireless. The wireless has been working pretty well for several months. Suddenly it's become very unstable, dropping in and out, being available and then not, at random. > > > > Could be the wireless router, I suppose getting flaky. But I'm wondering if some windows update might be responsible, requiring something new that I'm not aware of. > > > > We're not using encryption. Could another wireless network in the neighborhood be causing some problem? > > > > Anyone know of anything like that? > > > > More likely to be interference than anything else. > > It's starting to happen more and more as people put in there own > systems in close proximity to others. > > Quote from Linksys: > > "Any device operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum may cause network > interference with a 802.11b wireless device. Some devices that may > prove troublesome include 2.4 GHz cordless phones, microwave ovens, > adjacent public hotspots, and neighboring 802.11b wireless LANs." > > Any neighbours set up recently? Can you change channel on your > network? > > > > > > > -- > Lexacorp Ltd > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > Support. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 7 11:30:10 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost> <002f01c4045c$75c40720$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <003a01c40469$d77ae850$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...need your actual part number Rocky ...there are a number of Linksys 802.11b wireless routers :( William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > short. > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting is > done at the router end? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > stop > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the > word. > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > performance. > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lexacorp Ltd > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > > Support. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 11:42:39 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:42:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost> <002f01c4045c$75c40720$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <003a01c40469$d77ae850$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <018e01c4046b$95f66060$6601a8c0@HAL9002> BEFW11S4 - I found the docs on the web. I see that it has 11 channels and I can change mine. It's on 6 now and I wonder if that's the factory default which would make most of the wireless routers in the neighborhood channel 6. I could change it but I'm trying to figure out now how the wireless access point on pundit's machine will like the change. I don't see any way to configure channels on the remote access points Perhaps they pick up all channels. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > ...need your actual part number Rocky ...there are a number of Linksys > 802.11b wireless routers :( > > William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with > me." Disraeli > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > short. > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting > is > > done at the router end? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > stop > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the > > word. > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > networks, > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > different > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > performance. > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lexacorp Ltd > > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > > > Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 7 11:41:27 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:41:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> <003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <003f01c4046b$6b1cfc50$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...linksys has a pretty good reliability rep ...its unlikely that you are seeing a router failure ...not impossible but its the last thing I'd look at rather than among the first :( ...interference from another wireless network would tend to be steady rather than the highly intermittent type you describe ...thus I expect that if you do finally isolate the source, it will be another type of intermittent emitter in the 2.4GH spectrum ...a cordless phone or microwave would fall into that category. ...signal strength meters measure total emissions in the measured bandwidth ...thus they would see interference the same as your emitted signal. William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Donna: > > no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router is > going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is > interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still > 'good' to 'very good'. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in > the > > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for > you > > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to something > in the > > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router over > a > > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > > > Donna > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them > in > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > short. > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > selecting is > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > > stop > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > read > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > the > > > word. > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > networks, > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > different > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > how to do it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Mar 7 11:55:38 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:55:38 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps References: Message-ID: <008901c4046d$66613710$0300a8c0@upstairs> I don't know... just tought it might affect people here, giving you all a heads up :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haslett, Andrew" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps Give em a bit of a chance. Its still in Beta isn't it. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2004 3:31 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=22878 Some software developers may find their applications no longer work on machines using Microsoft Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, which will be released later this year. Microsoft has made something of a trade-off with the update, focusing on security improvements at the expense of backward compatibility. The company has called on all software developers to test their code against the beta version of Service Pack 2, or face the possibility that the update will break their handiwork. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Mar 7 11:57:39 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 17:57:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> <003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <00aa01c4046d$aebc9f40$0300a8c0@upstairs> Have you tried rebooting it? I know I sometimes get a problem with mine, and I usually solve it by turnig all the pc's off, then the wireless hub, then the router. Then turn them on in the reverse order... Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Donna: no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router is going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still 'good' to 'very good'. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in the > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for you > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to something in the > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router over a > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > Donna > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them in > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > short. > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel selecting is > > done at the router end? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > stop > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I read > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in the > > word. > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless networks, > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have different > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > performance. > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > how to do it. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 12:10:51 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:10:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> <003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00aa01c4046d$aebc9f40$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <019c01c4046f$86424ef0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> yeah. doesn't work, though. :( Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Have you tried rebooting it? I know I sometimes get a problem with mine, and > I usually solve it by turnig all the pc's off, then the wireless hub, then > the router. Then turn them on in the reverse order... > > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > Donna: > > no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router is > going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is > interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still > 'good' to 'very good'. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in > the > > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for > you > > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to something > in the > > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router over > a > > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > > > Donna > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them > in > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > short. > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > selecting is > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > > stop > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > read > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > the > > > word. > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > networks, > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > different > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > how to do it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 7 12:15:00 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:15:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost><002f01c4045c$75c40720$6601a8c0@HAL9002><003a01c40469$d77ae850$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <018e01c4046b$95f66060$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <006901c40470$1b247980$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...Just go to 192.168.1.1 from your browser and change the channel ...you'll know the answer soon enough :)))) William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > BEFW11S4 - I found the docs on the web. I see that it has 11 channels and I > can change mine. It's on 6 now and I wonder if that's the factory default > which would make most of the wireless routers in the neighborhood channel 6. > I could change it but I'm trying to figure out now how the wireless access > point on pundit's machine will like the change. I don't see any way to > configure channels on the remote access points Perhaps they pick up all > channels. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hindman" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > ...need your actual part number Rocky ...there are a number of Linksys > > 802.11b wireless routers :( > > > > William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees > with > > me." Disraeli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them > in > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > short. > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > selecting > > is > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > > stop > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > read > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > the > > > word. > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > > networks, > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > > different > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lexacorp Ltd > > > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > > > > Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 7 12:15:49 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:15:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com><003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002><00aa01c4046d$aebc9f40$0300a8c0@upstairs> <019c01c4046f$86424ef0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <006e01c40470$38053490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...the reset switch on your router? William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > yeah. doesn't work, though. :( > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Have you tried rebooting it? I know I sometimes get a problem with mine, > and > > I usually solve it by turnig all the pc's off, then the wireless hub, then > > the router. Then turn them on in the reverse order... > > > > > > Jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > Donna: > > > > no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router > is > > going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is > > interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still > > 'good' to 'very good'. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said in > > the > > > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference for > > you > > > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to > something > > in the > > > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router > over > > a > > > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy > them > > in > > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of > them > > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > > short. > > > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > > selecting is > > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption > feature > > > > stop > > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > > read > > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > > the > > > > word. > > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > > networks, > > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > > different > > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for > wireless > > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > > how to do it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sun Mar 7 12:25:24 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:25:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <404B22C4.15338.D2C2BB@localhost> On 7 Mar 2004 at 20:52, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > Give em a bit of a chance. Its still in Beta isn't it. If you go and read the full article, available from: http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=128915& liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=6&liChannelID=171&liFlavourID=1&sSearch =&nPage=1 or for the line wrap challenged :) http://tinyurl.com/2utps The first paragraph says: "Microsoft has made something of a trade-off with the update, focusing on security improvements at the expense of backward compatibility. The company has called on all software developers to test their code against the beta version of Service Pack 2, or face the possibility that the update will break their handiwork." So, MS expects that the SP will break things. It also implies that if SP2 does break your app, then it wasn't written correctly with safety in mind. A little over the top, IMHO, but none the less it's their stance. Hell MS have even set up a training course for SP2!! So there is something to this, IMO. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 12:26:36 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:26:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <117.2fe132b4.2d7ca0b0@aol.com> <003601c4045f$a86f7ee0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <00aa01c4046d$aebc9f40$0300a8c0@upstairs> <019c01c4046f$86424ef0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <006e01c40470$38053490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <01a701c40471$b9f12260$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I usually power cycle it. Pull the plug. Wait a minute. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > ...the reset switch on your router? > > William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with > me." Disraeli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > yeah. doesn't work, though. :( > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > Have you tried rebooting it? I know I sometimes get a problem with mine, > > and > > > I usually solve it by turnig all the pc's off, then the wireless hub, > then > > > the router. Then turn them on in the reverse order... > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > Donna: > > > > > > no I think this one is different. My leading theories are 1) the router > > is > > > going flaky and will fail soon, and 2) another wireless network is > > > interfering. The strength on the signal meter at the far end is still > > > 'good' to 'very good'. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anybody move it while cleaning or something? I know you've said > in > > > the > > > > past a couple of inches one way or the other makes a big difference > for > > > you > > > > guys...It happened here yesterday. I moved the router to get to > > something > > > in the > > > > cabinet beneath it...Josh started complaining, so I moved the router > > over > > > a > > > > couple of inches and it went back to normal. > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2004 10:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy > > them > > > in > > > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of > > them > > > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was > really > > > > > short. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have > channel > > > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > > > selecting is > > > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption > > feature > > > > > stop > > > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > > > read > > > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired > in > > > the > > > > > word. > > > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > > > networks, > > > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > > > different > > > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for > > wireless > > > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a > different > > > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as > to > > > > > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Sun Mar 7 17:15:58 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:45:58 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps Message-ID: Fair enough. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, 8 March 2004 4:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP SP2 Breaks Apps On 7 Mar 2004 at 20:52, Haslett, Andrew wrote: > Give em a bit of a chance. Its still in Beta isn't it. If you go and read the full article, available from: http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=128915& liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=6&liChannelID=171&liFlavourID=1&sSearch =&nPage=1 or for the line wrap challenged :) http://tinyurl.com/2utps The first paragraph says: "Microsoft has made something of a trade-off with the update, focusing on security improvements at the expense of backward compatibility. The company has called on all software developers to test their code against the beta version of Service Pack 2, or face the possibility that the update will break their handiwork." So, MS expects that the SP will break things. It also implies that if SP2 does break your app, then it wasn't written correctly with safety in mind. A little over the top, IMHO, but none the less it's their stance. Hell MS have even set up a training course for SP2!! So there is something to this, IMO. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 7 22:40:46 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:40:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404BCC43.1833.127567@localhost> <002f01c4045c$75c40720$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <003a01c40469$d77ae850$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <018e01c4046b$95f66060$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <02ca01c404c7$861d32c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Problem solved!! Maybe. We'll see. I switched to channel 4 and it's not only stable (5 hours and counting) but lightening fast too. Boy is my wife happy. And I go from schmuck to hero in a nanosecond. Until some putz across the street tunes his wireless to channel 4. Seems to me with the proliferation of radiating devices in the wireless range, it's only a matter of time before the airwaves get too cluttered and we all have to go back to stringing cat-5 around the house. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > BEFW11S4 - I found the docs on the web. I see that it has 11 channels and I > can change mine. It's on 6 now and I wonder if that's the factory default > which would make most of the wireless routers in the neighborhood channel 6. > I could change it but I'm trying to figure out now how the wireless access > point on pundit's machine will like the change. I don't see any way to > configure channels on the remote access points Perhaps they pick up all > channels. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hindman" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > ...need your actual part number Rocky ...there are a number of Linksys > > 802.11b wireless routers :( > > > > William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees > with > > me." Disraeli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them > in > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > short. > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > selecting > > is > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > > stop > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > read > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > the > > > word. > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > > networks, > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > > different > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lexacorp Ltd > > > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > > > > Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Mar 7 22:48:36 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:48:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <02ca01c404c7$861d32c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: At which time you just tune into your neighbors internet connection and be done with it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Problem solved!! Maybe. We'll see. I switched to channel 4 and it's not only stable (5 hours and counting) but lightening fast too. Boy is my wife happy. And I go from schmuck to hero in a nanosecond. Until some putz across the street tunes his wireless to channel 4. Seems to me with the proliferation of radiating devices in the wireless range, it's only a matter of time before the airwaves get too cluttered and we all have to go back to stringing cat-5 around the house. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > BEFW11S4 - I found the docs on the web. I see that it has 11 channels and I > can change mine. It's on 6 now and I wonder if that's the factory default > which would make most of the wireless routers in the neighborhood channel 6. > I could change it but I'm trying to figure out now how the wireless access > point on pundit's machine will like the change. I don't see any way to > configure channels on the remote access points Perhaps they pick up all > channels. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hindman" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > ...need your actual part number Rocky ...there are a number of Linksys > > 802.11b wireless routers :( > > > > William Hindman "My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees > with > > me." Disraeli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > Documentation!? Aw, geez, that'll ruin the whole day. > > > > > > I've got the Linksys 802.11b wireless router. I think you can buy them > in > > > the corner drug store these days. I'll bet there's half a dozen of them > > > within a couple of blocks of here. But I thought the range was really > > > short. > > > > > > Anyway, The access point on the target machine, does that have channel > > > selection, too, or does it pick up all channels and the channel > selecting > > is > > > done at the router end? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar 2004 at 7:07, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stuart and William: > > > > > > > > > > If it's another wireless network, would using the encryption feature > > > stop > > > > > the interference? Is there a way to change channels? I think I > read > > > > > somewhere that San Diego county it one of the most highly wired in > the > > > word. > > > > > Seems to me that if 1/2 the houses on our street had wireless > > networks, > > > > > there would be a lot of interference. Don't these things have > > different > > > > > channels like the wireless phones? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Encryption won't reduce interference in fact it will reduce > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > There are eleven possible frequencies in the 2.4Ghz band for wireless > > > > LANs. You should be able to configure your router to use a different > > > > frequency. IRIC, in some areas you are limited to using only 3 of > > > > these bands. You would have to check your router documentation as to > > > > how to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lexacorp Ltd > > > > http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > > > Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System > > > > Support. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Mon Mar 8 07:02:31 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:02:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: Well, since your network is stable, this may be of no help for you, but it might help out other folks: PC Magazine has put together a How to Install a Wireless LAN article. You can read it at: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1542115,00.asp Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 07-Mar-04 11:40:46 PM >>> Problem solved!! Maybe. We'll see. I switched to channel 4 and it's not only stable (5 hours and counting) but lightening fast too. Boy is my wife happy. And I go from schmuck to hero in a nanosecond. From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 8 08:25:16 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:25:16 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: Message-ID: <003501c40519$2da89240$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bryan: Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I think I'd better read this article. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Well, since your network is stable, this may be of no help for you, but > it might help out other folks: > > PC Magazine has put together a How to Install a Wireless LAN article. > > You can read it at: > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1542115,00.asp > > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 07-Mar-04 11:40:46 PM >>> > Problem solved!! Maybe. We'll see. > > I switched to channel 4 and it's not only stable (5 hours and counting) > but > lightening fast too. Boy is my wife happy. And I go from schmuck to > hero > in a nanosecond. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Mar 9 04:27:52 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 05:27:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <003501c40519$2da89240$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <404D55D8.26526.17A686@localhost> On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > think I'd better read this article. No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- drivers using your network. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.' - HHGTG From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Mar 9 09:04:58 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 07:04:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <404D55D8.26526.17A686@localhost> Message-ID: <003001c405e7$e4de88b0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bryan: I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very wired neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most wired county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to see files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are shared? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > think I'd better read this article. > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > drivers using your network. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Tue Mar 9 09:21:49 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:21:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that they can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on them. If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. Or at least that is my understanding. That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the laptop :) Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> Bryan: I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very wired neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most wired county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to see files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are shared? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > think I'd better read this article. > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > drivers using your network. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Mar 9 09:55:04 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:55:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: Rocky/Bryan, Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be pretty secure. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that they can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on them. If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. Or at least that is my understanding. That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the laptop :) Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> Bryan: I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very wired neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most wired county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to see files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are shared? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > think I'd better read this article. > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > drivers using your network. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Tue Mar 9 10:01:11 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:01:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: I would guess so, but earlier Rocky said: >It's still unsecured. I > think I'd better read this article. Which is why I made the comment about war driving. So I am going on the assumption that it's working with defaults for the most part. That and knowing very little about WiFi. Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 09-Mar-04 10:55:04 AM >>> Rocky/Bryan, Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be pretty secure. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Mar 9 10:22:42 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:22:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: Message-ID: <008601c405f2$bf99aac0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Ed: If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be the security state of my wireless network? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky/Bryan, > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > pretty secure. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that they > can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on > them. > > If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like > your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. > > Or at least that is my understanding. > > That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a > cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the > laptop :) > > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> > Bryan: > > I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very > wired > neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most > wired > county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to > see > files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are > shared? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > > think I'd better read this article. > > > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > > drivers using your network. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Mar 9 10:55:02 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:55:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: Rocky, Very low security, take a look at the below link if you haven't already http://www.linksys.com/splash/wirelessnotes.asp Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Ed: If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be the security state of my wireless network? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky/Bryan, > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > pretty secure. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that they > can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on > them. > > If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like > your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. > > Or at least that is my understanding. > > That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a > cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the > laptop :) > > Bryan Carbonnell > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> > Bryan: > > I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very > wired > neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most > wired > county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to > see > files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are > shared? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > > think I'd better read this article. > > > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > > drivers using your network. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Tue Mar 9 10:55:14 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:55:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: I'm not Ed, but.... Wide open. Bryan >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 11:22:42 AM >>> Ed: If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be the security state of my wireless network? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky/Bryan, > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > pretty secure. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Mar 9 11:59:57 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:59:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: Message-ID: <00ec01c40600$55834750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Ed: Thanks for that link. Looks like I've got some work. Do you know how much encryption slows down a wireless network? Is it noticeable? The article talks about interference with the 802.11b protocol by 2.4GHz devices - microwaves, phones, etc. Does the next rev up (802.11g?) have the same problem? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky, > Very low security, take a look at the below link if you haven't already > http://www.linksys.com/splash/wirelessnotes.asp > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:23 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > Ed: > > If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be > the > security state of my wireless network? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Rocky/Bryan, > > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky > > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > > pretty secure. > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that > they > > can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on > > them. > > > > If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like > > your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. > > > > Or at least that is my understanding. > > > > That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a > > cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the > > laptop :) > > > > Bryan Carbonnell > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> > > Bryan: > > > > I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very > > wired > > neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most > > wired > > county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to > > see > > files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are > > shared? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > > > think I'd better read this article. > > > > > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > > > > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > > > drivers using your network. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > > > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Mar 9 12:23:15 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: Rocky, I have a LinkSys 802.11g router on my Gateway desktop, 2nd floor. My laptop is on the wireless network downstairs in the family room. Have a 2.4GHz answering machine/phone, a 900GHz transmitter sending our cable TV in the family room to the kitchen TV, always on (the signal that is , not the TV). When I first got the laptop, I put it on the kitchen table right in the line of the 900GHz signal, was talking on the phone and heating my coffee in the microwave. The laptop was moving at top speed 54Mbs/sec., absolutely no interference. I have noticed that if I move the laptop around the connection may drop to 18-24Mbs/sec. but no interference, never lost the connection. I have all the security measures implemented, still moving at 54Mbs/sec. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Ed: Thanks for that link. Looks like I've got some work. Do you know how much encryption slows down a wireless network? Is it noticeable? The article talks about interference with the 802.11b protocol by 2.4GHz devices - microwaves, phones, etc. Does the next rev up (802.11g?) have the same problem? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky, > Very low security, take a look at the below link if you haven't already > http://www.linksys.com/splash/wirelessnotes.asp > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:23 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > Ed: > > If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be > the > security state of my wireless network? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Rocky/Bryan, > > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If Rocky > > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > > pretty secure. > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that > they > > can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on > > them. > > > > If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly like > > your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. > > > > Or at least that is my understanding. > > > > That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like a > > cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the > > laptop :) > > > > Bryan Carbonnell > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> > > Bryan: > > > > I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very > > wired > > neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most > > wired > > county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able to > > see > > files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are > > shared? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me the > > > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. I > > > > think I'd better read this article. > > > > > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > > > > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind war- > > > drivers using your network. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground > > > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Mar 9 12:44:19 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:44:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: Message-ID: <012f01c40606$885663f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> (deep sigh) dam technology. Looks like a move up to .11g might be in order. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky, > I have a LinkSys 802.11g router on my Gateway desktop, 2nd floor. My > laptop is on the wireless network downstairs in the family room. Have a > 2.4GHz answering machine/phone, a 900GHz transmitter sending our cable > TV in the family room to the kitchen TV, always on (the signal that is , > not the TV). When I first got the laptop, I put it on the kitchen table > right in the line of the 900GHz signal, was talking on the phone and > heating my coffee in the microwave. The laptop was moving at top speed > 54Mbs/sec., absolutely no interference. I have noticed that if I move > the laptop around the connection may drop to 18-24Mbs/sec. but no > interference, never lost the connection. I have all the security > measures implemented, still moving at 54Mbs/sec. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > Ed: > > Thanks for that link. Looks like I've got some work. Do you know how > much > encryption slows down a wireless network? Is it noticeable? > > The article talks about interference with the 802.11b protocol by 2.4GHz > devices - microwaves, phones, etc. Does the next rev up (802.11g?) have > the > same problem? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:55 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Rocky, > > Very low security, take a look at the below link if you haven't > already > > http://www.linksys.com/splash/wirelessnotes.asp > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:23 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > Ed: > > > > If I just plugged and played with the factory settings, what would be > > the > > security state of my wireless network? > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:55 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > Rocky/Bryan, > > > Comin late on this, sick all weekend and still not too good. If > Rocky > > > has setup the security on the router, change SSID, administrator > > > password, MAC Address filtering, WEP 128 encryption shouldn't he be > > > pretty secure. > > > > > > Ed Tesiny > > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:22 AM > > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > If they can access your network, then there is the possibility that > > they > > > can access your files. Especially if there are no share passwords on > > > them. > > > > > > If that's the case, then the war driver's laptop will act exactly > like > > > your wife's and have access to what ever is shared. > > > > > > Or at least that is my understanding. > > > > > > That is one reason I have everything wired in my house. Nothing like > a > > > cat5 running across the dining room and living room to hook up the > > > laptop :) > > > > > > Bryan Carbonnell > > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca > > > > > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 09-Mar-04 10:04:58 AM >>> > > > Bryan: > > > > > > I don't really care about that. We live on a cul-de-sac in a very > > > wired > > > neighborhood (I think I read somewhere that San Diego is the most > > > wired > > > county in the nation). I'm more concerned about people being able > to > > > see > > > files on our hard drives. Is that a possibility if our drives are > > > shared? > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar 2004 at 6:25, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. Never too late to get educated. For me > the > > > > > wireless was a plug and play operation. It's still unsecured. > I > > > > > think I'd better read this article. > > > > > > > > No problem. Glad to throw $0.02 in, late :) > > > > > > > > You may want to get that network secured, unless you don't mind > war- > > > > drivers using your network. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > > 'The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the > ground > > > > and miss.' - HHGTG > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DBCfour at aol.com Tue Mar 9 13:47:30 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:47:30 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk Message-ID: <68.3c0f4dc9.2d7f7952@aol.com> That cured all my ills. Donna In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, bchacc at san.rr.com writes: (deep sigh) dam technology. Looks like a move up to .11g might be in order. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > Rocky, > I have a LinkSys 802.11g router on my Gateway desktop, 2nd floor. My > laptop is on the wireless network downstairs in the family room. Have a > 2.4GHz answering machine/phone, a 900GHz transmitter sending our cable > TV in the family room to the kitchen TV, always on (the signal that is , > not the TV). When I first got the laptop, I put it on the kitchen table > right in the line of the 900GHz signal, was talking on the phone and > heating my coffee in the microwave. The laptop was moving at top speed > 54Mbs/sec., absolutely no interference. I have noticed that if I move > the laptop around the connection may drop to 18-24Mbs/sec. but no > interference, never lost the connection. I have all the security > measures implemented, still moving at 54Mbs/sec. > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Mar 9 14:10:02 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:10:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk References: <68.3c0f4dc9.2d7f7952@aol.com> Message-ID: <018e01c40612$818ff610$6601a8c0@HAL9002> All your ills? Wow, my back's been giving me trouble. I'm getting 11g today! Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > That cured all my ills. > > Donna > > In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bchacc at san.rr.com writes: > (deep sigh) dam technology. Looks like a move up to .11g might be in > order. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tesiny, Ed" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > Rocky, > > I have a LinkSys 802.11g router on my Gateway desktop, 2nd floor. My > > laptop is on the wireless network downstairs in the family room. Have a > > 2.4GHz answering machine/phone, a 900GHz transmitter sending our cable > > TV in the family room to the kitchen TV, always on (the signal that is , > > not the TV). When I first got the laptop, I put it on the kitchen table > > right in the line of the 900GHz signal, was talking on the phone and > > heating my coffee in the microwave. The laptop was moving at top speed > > 54Mbs/sec., absolutely no interference. I have noticed that if I move > > the laptop around the connection may drop to 18-24Mbs/sec. but no > > interference, never lost the connection. I have all the security > > measures implemented, still moving at 54Mbs/sec. > > > > Ed Tesiny > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Mar 9 15:19:15 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:19:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk In-Reply-To: <018e01c40612$818ff610$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <68.3c0f4dc9.2d7f7952@aol.com> <018e01c40612$818ff610$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <404E34D3.4050208@verizon.net> Rocky, I don't know how much of you've invested into your wireless network, but you might get a few solution tips here... http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article62-page1.php Since I didn't catch the thread from the beginning I don't know what troubleshooting steps you've taken. Are you dropping connections? is this in a particular room, while you're on the phone? In reading the article it gave me the idea that possibly including an additional wap (wireless access point) in order to carry the signal, or even simply a signal booster.. Of course I'd double check prices weighing in what it would cost to boost the signal vs just upgrading from 11mb to 54mb speeds. -- -Francisco Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >All your ills? Wow, my back's been giving me trouble. I'm getting 11g >today! > >Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk > > > > >>That cured all my ills. >> >>Donna >> >>In a message dated 3/9/2004 1:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>bchacc at san.rr.com writes: >>(deep sigh) dam technology. Looks like a move up to .11g might be in >>order. >> >>Rocky >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tesiny, Ed" >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:23 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Unstable Wireless Netowrk >> >> >> >> >>>Rocky, >>>I have a LinkSys 802.11g router on my Gateway desktop, 2nd floor. My >>>laptop is on the wireless network downstairs in the family room. Have a >>>2.4GHz answering machine/phone, a 900GHz transmitter sending our cable >>>TV in the family room to the kitchen TV, always on (the signal that is , >>>not the TV). When I first got the laptop, I put it on the kitchen table >>>right in the line of the 900GHz signal, was talking on the phone and >>>heating my coffee in the microwave. The laptop was moving at top speed >>>54Mbs/sec., absolutely no interference. I have noticed that if I move >>>the laptop around the connection may drop to 18-24Mbs/sec. but no >>>interference, never lost the connection. I have all the security >>>measures implemented, still moving at 54Mbs/sec. >>> >>>Ed Tesiny >>>EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us >>> >>> >>__ >> From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Mar 8 09:20:31 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:20:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old style macro program Message-ID: Although I have no experience with it, a co-worker recommends "Automate" from Unisyn. I was unable to access their site before passing this along...but, who knows, maybe that's a good sign;) www.unisyn.com Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Old style macro program Definitely what I had in mind. Thanks for the pointer. Looks like a bit of a learning curve though.... Arthur It may be worth taking a look at HoeKey from http://bcheck.arsware.org/hoe.php "HoeKey lets you assign most keys on your keyboard to many different actions. You set this up in a config file." ... Input|Text|Title|Timeout|Default Get quick user input The results of the user input goes into the variable %u, for later usage by Run, or MsgBox, or whatever. ........ Keys|Keystrokes|Delay Playback keystrokes. Optional Delay in milliseconds" -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Mar 10 08:23:42 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:23:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that a wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work fine. It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just changing the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, I couldn't find my notes on this. Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Mar 10 08:29:37 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:29:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA307C8AF8@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB327@ADGSERVER> Edward, I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router is the problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same frequencies as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I would assume that it would still interfere. Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Hi Rocky, Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that a wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work fine. It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just changing the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, I couldn't find my notes on this. Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 08:56:21 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:56:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB327@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <003b01c406af$da1550d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or internet access. When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the 192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this morning and now it's working but very very slowly. Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named 'linksys' (I should probably change that). Any clues form all this? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > Edward, > > I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router is the > problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same frequencies > as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I would > assume that it would still interfere. > > Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > Hi Rocky, > Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that a > wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work fine. > It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just changing > the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, I > couldn't find my notes on this. Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Mar 10 09:10:19 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:10:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA307C8B1D@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB32B@ADGSERVER> I was referring to the prior post suggesting just changing the router to G. If you changed the NIC and the router to G, that might help. The network 'thewunetwork' may be a neighbor's network. None of my neighbors have a wireless network, so I do not know how it looks when there are multiple ones. The say it is desirable to change the default network name. If the connection is good, it may not be the hardware that is at fault. Does your router give the IP addresses to the devices on your network properly? If not, your DHCP set up may be incorrect. I have my network set up with 128 bit encryption, changed the SSID, changed the default channel, limit MAC addresses to the two devices I have, and limit the number of IP addresses given out to a range of two IP addresses (since there is only two devices on my network). Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or internet access. When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the 192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this morning and now it's working but very very slowly. Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named 'linksys' (I should probably change that). Any clues form all this? Rocky From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 09:21:16 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:21:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: The prices of the 11g stuff has gone way down. I'd go with the 11g router and an 11g card for the laptop. Quit fooling around with it and do what you know you need to. ;-) Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:56:21 -0800 > >I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if >it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > >I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is >good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or >internet >access. > >When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the >192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this >morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > >Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network >called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named >'linksys' (I should probably change that). > >Any clues form all this? > >Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bobby Heid" >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:29 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > Edward, > > > > I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router is >the > > problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same >frequencies > > as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I >would > > assume that it would still interfere. > > > > Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that >a > > wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work >fine. > > It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just >changing > > the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, >I > > couldn't find my notes on this. Ed _________________________________________________________________ Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 09:21:41 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:21:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB32B@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <004501c406b3$641c5eb0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: The IP address is OK. HOWEVER, a white pages search reveals that my neighbor across the street is named Wu. Think I'll go talk to him. I'll bet they put in a wireless network last week. If that's the case what to do? His signal is obviously interfering with mine. I've changed channels twice. Regards, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > I was referring to the prior post suggesting just changing the router to G. > If you changed the NIC and the router to G, that might help. > > The network 'thewunetwork' may be a neighbor's network. None of my > neighbors have a wireless network, so I do not know how it looks when there > are multiple ones. > > The say it is desirable to change the default network name. > > If the connection is good, it may not be the hardware that is at fault. > Does your router give the IP addresses to the devices on your network > properly? If not, your DHCP set up may be incorrect. > > I have my network set up with 128 bit encryption, changed the SSID, changed > the default channel, limit MAC addresses to the two devices I have, and > limit the number of IP addresses given out to a range of two IP addresses > (since there is only two devices on my network). > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if > it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is > good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or internet > access. > > When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > 192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this > morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network > called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named > 'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > Any clues form all this? > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Mar 10 09:31:21 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:31:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: Rocky, That's why setting up the security is so important, if you weren't such a nice guy you could try to use Wu's internet connection. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Bobby: The IP address is OK. HOWEVER, a white pages search reveals that my neighbor across the street is named Wu. Think I'll go talk to him. I'll bet they put in a wireless network last week. If that's the case what to do? His signal is obviously interfering with mine. I've changed channels twice. Regards, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > I was referring to the prior post suggesting just changing the router to G. > If you changed the NIC and the router to G, that might help. > > The network 'thewunetwork' may be a neighbor's network. None of my > neighbors have a wireless network, so I do not know how it looks when there > are multiple ones. > > The say it is desirable to change the default network name. > > If the connection is good, it may not be the hardware that is at fault. > Does your router give the IP addresses to the devices on your network > properly? If not, your DHCP set up may be incorrect. > > I have my network set up with 128 bit encryption, changed the SSID, changed > the default channel, limit MAC addresses to the two devices I have, and > limit the number of IP addresses given out to a range of two IP addresses > (since there is only two devices on my network). > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if > it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is > good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or internet > access. > > When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > 192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this > morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network > called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named > 'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > Any clues form all this? > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Wed Mar 10 09:33:55 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:33:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: And access any shared files or folders. Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 10-Mar-04 10:31:21 AM >>> Rocky, That's why setting up the security is so important, if you weren't such a nice guy you could try to use Wu's internet connection. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Bobby: The IP address is OK. HOWEVER, a white pages search reveals that my neighbor across the street is named Wu. Think I'll go talk to him. I'll bet they put in a wireless network last week. If that's the case what to do? His signal is obviously interfering with mine. I've changed channels twice. Regards, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > I was referring to the prior post suggesting just changing the router to G. > If you changed the NIC and the router to G, that might help. > > The network 'thewunetwork' may be a neighbor's network. None of my > neighbors have a wireless network, so I do not know how it looks when there > are multiple ones. > > The say it is desirable to change the default network name. > > If the connection is good, it may not be the hardware that is at fault. > Does your router give the IP addresses to the devices on your network > properly? If not, your DHCP set up may be incorrect. > > I have my network set up with 128 bit encryption, changed the SSID, changed > the default channel, limit MAC addresses to the two devices I have, and > limit the number of IP addresses given out to a range of two IP addresses > (since there is only two devices on my network). > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if > it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is > good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or internet > access. > > When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > 192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this > morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network > called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named > 'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > Any clues form all this? > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 09:37:39 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:37:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: Message-ID: <009901c406b5$9ee65940$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Gary: If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across the street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem? Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID (whatever that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the problem on 11b? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > The prices of the 11g stuff has gone way down. I'd go with the 11g router > and an 11g card for the laptop. Quit fooling around with it and do what you > know you need to. ;-) > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues" > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:56:21 -0800 > > > >I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if > >it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > > >I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is > >good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or > >internet > >access. > > > >When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > >192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this > >morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > > >Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network > >called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named > >'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > > >Any clues form all this? > > > >Rocky > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bobby Heid" > >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:29 AM > >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > Edward, > > > > > > I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router is > >the > > > problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same > >frequencies > > > as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I > >would > > > assume that it would still interfere. > > > > > > Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > > To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that > >a > > > wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work > >fine. > > > It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just > >changing > > > the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, > >I > > > couldn't find my notes on this. Ed > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! > http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 10 09:40:00 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:40:00 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: <009901c406b5$9ee65940$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <017901c406b5$f324a9d0$0300a8c0@upstairs> The MAC address is the hardware address of your router and cards, and limiting access should stop all cards that aren't authorised on your network use it. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Gary: If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across the street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem? Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID (whatever that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the problem on 11b? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > The prices of the 11g stuff has gone way down. I'd go with the 11g router > and an 11g card for the laptop. Quit fooling around with it and do what you > know you need to. ;-) > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues" > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:56:21 -0800 > > > >I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But if > >it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > > >I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal is > >good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or > >internet > >access. > > > >When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > >192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset this > >morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > > >Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a network > >called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is named > >'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > > >Any clues form all this? > > > >Rocky > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bobby Heid" > >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:29 AM > >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > Edward, > > > > > > I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router is > >the > > > problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same > >frequencies > > > as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I > >would > > > assume that it would still interfere. > > > > > > Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > > To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read that > >a > > > wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work > >fine. > > > It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just > >changing > > > the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify this, > >I > > > couldn't find my notes on this. Ed > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! > http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 09:58:00 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:58:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: <009901c406b5$9ee65940$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <017901c406b5$f324a9d0$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <00b701c406b8$76cb4a80$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I just spoke with Mr. Wu. He's had a wireless network for about 2 years and it's been stable. Although we both live next to a school and he says that they show up on his available wireless networks from time to time and they're wide open. He uses encryption. He thinks it may be someone's new 2.4GHz telephone nearby which is channel hopping. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > The MAC address is the hardware address of your router and cards, and > limiting access should stop all cards that aren't authorised on your network > use it. > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > Gary: > > If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across the > street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem? > > Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID (whatever > that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the > problem on 11b? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > The prices of the 11g stuff has gone way down. I'd go with the 11g router > > and an 11g card for the laptop. Quit fooling around with it and do what > you > > know you need to. ;-) > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues" > > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:56:21 -0800 > > > > > >I was thinking of going over to Fry's today and get an 11g router. But > if > > >it's no more stable than the b there's probably no good reason to do it. > > > > > >I changed channels again but it didn't seem to do any good. The signal > is > > >good and the wireless network is connected but I don't get email or > > >internet > > >access. > > > > > >When I look at the IP address it's not a good one - it should be in the > > >192.168.1.n range and it's some other strange address. I got it reset > this > > >morning and now it's working but very very slowly. > > > > > >Also when I look at the available networks dialog box, I'm seeing a > network > > >called 'thewunetwork' there along with our wire less network which is > named > > >'linksys' (I should probably change that). > > > > > >Any clues form all this? > > > > > >Rocky > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bobby Heid" > > >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:29 AM > > >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > > > > Edward, > > > > > > > > I don't think this will solve his problem unless the existing router > is > > >the > > > > problem. The G router would still have to transmit at the same > > >frequencies > > > > as the original router. So if there is some sort of interference, I > > >would > > > > assume that it would still interfere. > > > > > > > > Although I may just be completely wrong. LOL > > > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > > > To: DBA-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > Thinking back to when I was looking into wireless, I believe I read > that > > >a > > > > wireless 11b device could pick up a wireless 11g broadcast and work > > >fine. > > > > It doesn't work in the other direction. So I'm wondering, if just > > >changing > > > > the router to 11g might help the problem. Can anyone else verify > this, > > >I > > > > couldn't find my notes on this. Ed > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! > > > http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 10:07:08 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:07:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: >>>>If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across >>>>the >street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem?<<<< I can't guarantee it but I would guess that the 11g would be better able to handle outside interferance. It is my understanding that it has a much larger working range and that for it to be able to do that successfully it would need to be able to ignore other stuff more than the shorter range 11b equipment does. It is also my understanding that there is increased security capabilies with the 11g equipment. >>>>>Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID >>>>>(whatever >that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the >problem on 11b?<<<< MAC is the address of the network card itself. You would think that limiting your router to only talking to specific MACs would be very good security - BUT suppoedly the MAC can be spoofed too. So while it would be good for keeping the less savy hackers and your neighbors out, a real hacker dude could still get in. SSID is "A 32-character unique identifier attached to the header of packets sent over a WLAN that acts as a password when a mobile device tries to connect to the BSS. (Also called ESSID.) The SSID differentiates one WLAN from another, so all access points and all devices attempting to connect to a specific WLAN must use the same SSID. A device will not be permitted to join the BSS unless it can provide the unique SSID. Because an SSID can be sniffed in plain text from a packet, it does not supply any security to the network. An SSID is also referred to as a Network Name because essentially it is a name that identifies a wireless network" This, the SSID, would seem to be the key - it is the id of your wireless LAN. So if you and your neighbor both have lans on the same frequency you would both be able to still function. It will be interesting to find out if Mr Wu has set up a Wireless Network and is also experiencing difficulties. And I must tell you that I don't have a wireless setup myself - yet. I have been looking at getting one though. But I have no hands on experience, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. ;-) Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 10:48:50 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:48:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: Message-ID: <00dd01c406bf$907e4110$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I changed the ssid. I changed the channel. I enabled 64bit encryption. I have no idea if that solved the problem but I'm back in the air again. We'll see if it gets stable. Maybe the folks on that new 500 kilowatt 2.4GHz phone just ended their call. Who knows? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >>>>If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across > >>>>the > >street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem?<<<< > > I can't guarantee it but I would guess that the 11g would be better able to > handle outside interferance. It is my understanding that it has a much > larger working range and that for it to be able to do that successfully it > would need to be able to ignore other stuff more than the shorter range 11b > equipment does. It is also my understanding that there is increased security > capabilies with the 11g equipment. > > >>>>>Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID > >>>>>(whatever > >that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the > >problem on 11b?<<<< > > MAC is the address of the network card itself. You would think that limiting > your router to only talking to specific MACs would be very good security - > BUT suppoedly the MAC can be spoofed too. So while it would be good for > keeping the less savy hackers and your neighbors out, a real hacker dude > could still get in. > > SSID is "A 32-character unique identifier attached to the header of packets > sent over a WLAN that acts as a password when a mobile device tries to > connect to the BSS. (Also called ESSID.) The SSID differentiates one WLAN > from another, so all access points and all devices attempting to connect to > a specific WLAN must use the same SSID. A device will not be permitted to > join the BSS unless it can provide the unique SSID. Because an SSID can be > sniffed in plain text from a packet, it does not supply any security to the > network. An SSID is also referred to as a Network Name because essentially > it is a name that identifies a wireless network" > > This, the SSID, would seem to be the key - it is the id of your wireless > LAN. So if you and your neighbor both have lans on the same frequency you > would both be able to still function. > > It will be interesting to find out if Mr Wu has set up a Wireless Network > and is also experiencing difficulties. > > And I must tell you that I don't have a wireless setup myself - yet. I have > been looking at getting one though. But I have no hands on experience, so > take everything I say with a grain of salt. ;-) > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - download MSN Toolbar now! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Mar 10 10:53:34 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:53:34 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: <00dd01c406bf$907e4110$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <01de01c406c0$3a5a4b20$0300a8c0@upstairs> Wrap your house in tin foil, see if that helps :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking I changed the ssid. I changed the channel. I enabled 64bit encryption. I have no idea if that solved the problem but I'm back in the air again. We'll see if it gets stable. Maybe the folks on that new 500 kilowatt 2.4GHz phone just ended their call. Who knows? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >>>>If Mr. Wu and I are interfering with each other (I'm going to go across > >>>>the > >street and meet him in a bit) would changing to 11g solve the problem?<<<< > > I can't guarantee it but I would guess that the 11g would be better able to > handle outside interferance. It is my understanding that it has a much > larger working range and that for it to be able to do that successfully it > would need to be able to ignore other stuff more than the shorter range 11b > equipment does. It is also my understanding that there is increased security > capabilies with the 11g equipment. > > >>>>>Would securing my wireless with encryption and changing the SSID > >>>>>(whatever > >that means) and limiting the MAC address (whatever that is), solve the > >problem on 11b?<<<< > > MAC is the address of the network card itself. You would think that limiting > your router to only talking to specific MACs would be very good security - > BUT suppoedly the MAC can be spoofed too. So while it would be good for > keeping the less savy hackers and your neighbors out, a real hacker dude > could still get in. > > SSID is "A 32-character unique identifier attached to the header of packets > sent over a WLAN that acts as a password when a mobile device tries to > connect to the BSS. (Also called ESSID.) The SSID differentiates one WLAN > from another, so all access points and all devices attempting to connect to > a specific WLAN must use the same SSID. A device will not be permitted to > join the BSS unless it can provide the unique SSID. Because an SSID can be > sniffed in plain text from a packet, it does not supply any security to the > network. An SSID is also referred to as a Network Name because essentially > it is a name that identifies a wireless network" > > This, the SSID, would seem to be the key - it is the id of your wireless > LAN. So if you and your neighbor both have lans on the same frequency you > would both be able to still function. > > It will be interesting to find out if Mr Wu has set up a Wireless Network > and is also experiencing difficulties. > > And I must tell you that I don't have a wireless setup myself - yet. I have > been looking at getting one though. But I have no hands on experience, so > take everything I say with a grain of salt. ;-) > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - download MSN Toolbar now! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 10:57:50 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:57:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: Wallpaper your walls with aluminum foil to keep it out ;-) >>>>>Maybe the folks on that new 500 kilowatt 2.4GHz phone just ended their >>>>>call. >Who knows? > >Rocky<<<< Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar ? includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 10 11:08:10 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:08:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: Message-ID: <010801c406c2$4410cbb0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Better than that - I've got a friend coming over in an hour to give me a quote on stringing a wire into Pundit's office. THAT would solve the problem. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > Wallpaper your walls with aluminum foil to keep it out ;-) > > >>>>>Maybe the folks on that new 500 kilowatt 2.4GHz phone just ended their > >>>>>call. > >Who knows? > > > >Rocky<<<< > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar - includes FREE pop-up blocking! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 11:29:34 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:29:34 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: Hope it is reasonable. I ran a wire to our bedroom where my wife's computer is. It's from the two absolute farthest apart points of our house, basement floor north end to 3rd floor south end. My run was assited by getting to go through the one room with an unfinished ceiling in the house and then into the garage - where I could just run it along the ceiling without worrying about it looking bad. Then it was just a matter of drilling through the floor in the bedroom and up through the ceiling in the garage and shining a flashlight down to fish the wire at. I bought the wire clamps to tack it down in the garage but haven't gotten around to it - 4 years later. It wasn't nearly as difficult as I had expected it to be. A fish tape, some tape and a drill and a pre-made 100 foot cable was all it took. And I ran the TV cable up there at the same time - Marty was way more excited about that cable than she was about the ethernet. HGTV in the bedroom! Whoopee. Good luck. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:08:10 -0800 > >Better than that - I've got a friend coming over in an hour to give me a >quote on stringing a wire into Pundit's office. THAT would solve the >problem. > >Rocky _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 10 11:50:08 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:50:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: Message-ID: <008e01c406c8$20c9d2e0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...same here ...connected each bedroom and the office with pre-made cables and clamps from Office Depot ...not exactly rocket science ...but if Rocky is concerned about the cable being visible then maybe a pro is what he needs :) William Hindman You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > Hope it is reasonable. I ran a wire to our bedroom where my wife's computer > is. It's from the two absolute farthest apart points of our house, basement > floor north end to 3rd floor south end. My run was assited by getting to go > through the one room with an unfinished ceiling in the house and then into > the garage - where I could just run it along the ceiling without worrying > about it looking bad. Then it was just a matter of drilling through the > floor in the bedroom and up through the ceiling in the garage and shining a > flashlight down to fish the wire at. I bought the wire clamps to tack it > down in the garage but haven't gotten around to it - 4 years later. It > wasn't nearly as difficult as I had expected it to be. A fish tape, some > tape and a drill and a pre-made 100 foot cable was all it took. > > And I ran the TV cable up there at the same time - Marty was way more > excited about that cable than she was about the ethernet. HGTV in the > bedroom! Whoopee. > > Good luck. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues" > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:08:10 -0800 > > > >Better than that - I've got a friend coming over in an hour to give me a > >quote on stringing a wire into Pundit's office. THAT would solve the > >problem. > > > >Rocky > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech > Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 13:23:25 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:23:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: >>>>then maybe a pro is what he needs - William<<<< Yep, I agree. And as I remember he had some pesky CEMENT walls or ceilings in the way? Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Mar 14 14:10:09 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:10:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? Message-ID: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com> Hi, A client recently upgraded from FrontPage 2000 to FrontPage 2003. Strange things have happened to the text boxes on his graphic images. The ones that were in place have become rectangular hot spots with no destination. When he tries to add a text box (click the Text tool on the Pictures toolbar), he finds the Text tool greyed out. It is completely unresponsive. I've looked it over - it is disabled. The Help says that to add a Text-on-graphic component, one must have the right format for the graphic (.gif), which he does; one must click the Text tool on the Pictures toolbar, which he can't because the darned thing is not enabled. We figured out a workaround - creating a new layer above the layer on which the graphic is, and placing the text in it. So, he can continue to maintain his website - but WHY isn't the Text tool enabled on the Pictures toolbar? Has anyone else seen this behavior? Have any ideas? It's not popping up in the FAQ for FrontPage 2003 on the Microsoft site, and I didn't find postings on it in the first newsgroup I've scanned. Got me stumped. Thanks for any thoughts, Tina From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 14 16:01:14 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:01:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...hhhmmm ...I just upgraded from FP2002 a couple months ago and have not seen that on any of my FP2003 webs :( William Hindman You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > Hi, > > A client recently upgraded from FrontPage 2000 to FrontPage 2003. > Strange things have happened to the text boxes on his graphic images. > The ones that were in place have become rectangular hot spots with no > destination. When he tries to add a text box (click the Text tool on > the Pictures toolbar), he finds the Text tool greyed out. It is > completely unresponsive. I've looked it over - it is disabled. The > Help says that to add a Text-on-graphic component, one must have the > right format for the graphic (.gif), which he does; one must click the > Text tool on the Pictures toolbar, which he can't because the darned > thing is not enabled. > > We figured out a workaround - creating a new layer above the layer on > which the graphic is, and placing the text in it. So, he can continue > to maintain his website - but WHY isn't the Text tool enabled on the > Pictures toolbar? Has anyone else seen this behavior? Have any ideas? > It's not popping up in the FAQ for FrontPage 2003 on the Microsoft > site, and I didn't find postings on it in the first newsgroup I've > scanned. Got me stumped. > > Thanks for any thoughts, > Tina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Mar 15 07:37:22 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:37:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com> <001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <4055B192.8060608@torchlake.com> Thanks, William. I haven't found it on any newsgroup, yet, either. But I feel confident he cannot be the only one to have encountered this problem. I'm expecting any minute to learn that there is some .dll file that needed to be upgraded and didn't get overwritten, because the program found it already there - or some such thing. BTW - did you get the email I sent you off-list regarding NH? Tina William Hindman wrote: >...hhhmmm ...I just upgraded from FP2002 a couple months ago and have not >seen that on any of my FP2003 webs :( > >William Hindman >You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet >Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tina Norris Fields" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:10 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > > > > >>Hi, >> >>A client recently upgraded from FrontPage 2000 to FrontPage 2003. >> Strange things have happened to the text boxes on his graphic images. >> The ones that were in place have become rectangular hot spots with no >>destination. When he tries to add a text box (click the Text tool on >>the Pictures toolbar), he finds the Text tool greyed out. It is >>completely unresponsive. I've looked it over - it is disabled. The >>Help says that to add a Text-on-graphic component, one must have the >>right format for the graphic (.gif), which he does; one must click the >>Text tool on the Pictures toolbar, which he can't because the darned >>thing is not enabled. >> >>We figured out a workaround - creating a new layer above the layer on >>which the graphic is, and placing the text in it. So, he can continue >>to maintain his website - but WHY isn't the Text tool enabled on the >>Pictures toolbar? Has anyone else seen this behavior? Have any ideas? >> It's not popping up in the FAQ for FrontPage 2003 on the Microsoft >>site, and I didn't find postings on it in the first newsgroup I've >>scanned. Got me stumped. >> >>Thanks for any thoughts, >>Tina >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 15 17:11:32 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:11:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com><001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <4055B192.8060608@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <00b501c40ae2$db41dd70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...sorry Tina but the last thing I got from you was back in November :((( William Hindman You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > Thanks, William. I haven't found it on any newsgroup, yet, either. But > I feel confident he cannot be the only one to have encountered this > problem. I'm expecting any minute to learn that there is some .dll file > that needed to be upgraded and didn't get overwritten, because the > program found it already there - or some such thing. BTW - did you get > the email I sent you off-list regarding NH? > Tina > > William Hindman wrote: > > >...hhhmmm ...I just upgraded from FP2002 a couple months ago and have not > >seen that on any of my FP2003 webs :( > > > >William Hindman > >You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet > >Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tina Norris Fields" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:10 PM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>A client recently upgraded from FrontPage 2000 to FrontPage 2003. > >> Strange things have happened to the text boxes on his graphic images. > >> The ones that were in place have become rectangular hot spots with no > >>destination. When he tries to add a text box (click the Text tool on > >>the Pictures toolbar), he finds the Text tool greyed out. It is > >>completely unresponsive. I've looked it over - it is disabled. The > >>Help says that to add a Text-on-graphic component, one must have the > >>right format for the graphic (.gif), which he does; one must click the > >>Text tool on the Pictures toolbar, which he can't because the darned > >>thing is not enabled. > >> > >>We figured out a workaround - creating a new layer above the layer on > >>which the graphic is, and placing the text in it. So, he can continue > >>to maintain his website - but WHY isn't the Text tool enabled on the > >>Pictures toolbar? Has anyone else seen this behavior? Have any ideas? > >> It's not popping up in the FAQ for FrontPage 2003 on the Microsoft > >>site, and I didn't find postings on it in the first newsgroup I've > >>scanned. Got me stumped. > >> > >>Thanks for any thoughts, > >>Tina > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 15 17:15:10 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:15:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com><001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <4055B192.8060608@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c40ae3$5d157dc0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...btw I find http://www.at-frontpage.com/maillist.htm to be by far the best list for FrontPage ...almost as good as AccessD :) William Hindman You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > Thanks, William. I haven't found it on any newsgroup, yet, either. But > I feel confident he cannot be the only one to have encountered this > problem. I'm expecting any minute to learn that there is some .dll file > that needed to be upgraded and didn't get overwritten, because the > program found it already there - or some such thing. BTW - did you get > the email I sent you off-list regarding NH? > Tina > > William Hindman wrote: > > >...hhhmmm ...I just upgraded from FP2002 a couple months ago and have not > >seen that on any of my FP2003 webs :( > > > >William Hindman > >You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet > >Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tina Norris Fields" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:10 PM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] FrontPage 2003 Text tool disabled??? > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>A client recently upgraded from FrontPage 2000 to FrontPage 2003. > >> Strange things have happened to the text boxes on his graphic images. > >> The ones that were in place have become rectangular hot spots with no > >>destination. When he tries to add a text box (click the Text tool on > >>the Pictures toolbar), he finds the Text tool greyed out. It is > >>completely unresponsive. I've looked it over - it is disabled. The > >>Help says that to add a Text-on-graphic component, one must have the > >>right format for the graphic (.gif), which he does; one must click the > >>Text tool on the Pictures toolbar, which he can't because the darned > >>thing is not enabled. > >> > >>We figured out a workaround - creating a new layer above the layer on > >>which the graphic is, and placing the text in it. So, he can continue > >>to maintain his website - but WHY isn't the Text tool enabled on the > >>Pictures toolbar? Has anyone else seen this behavior? Have any ideas? > >> It's not popping up in the FAQ for FrontPage 2003 on the Microsoft > >>site, and I didn't find postings on it in the first newsgroup I've > >>scanned. Got me stumped. > >> > >>Thanks for any thoughts, > >>Tina > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 16 05:37:15 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:37:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WTFO? References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com><001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><4055B192.8060608@torchlake.com> <00b501c40ae2$db41dd70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <004201c40b4b$07e49490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...all of a sudden I'm getting a bunch of returned messages that I never sent :((((((( ...they all appear to be porn spam using a variety of names in the from line but all with my dejpolsys at hotmail.com following the name which of course results in me getting the ones with a bad address. ...I'm afraid that ISPs will start to filter my hotmail address which I've used for years mostly for my business contacts :((( ...is there anything I can do? William Hindman You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus Hamilton. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Mar 16 06:01:43 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:01:43 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WTFO? In-Reply-To: <004201c40b4b$07e49490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <40577947.18749.3137D79@localhost> On 16 Mar 2004 at 6:37, William Hindman wrote: > ...all of a sudden I'm getting a bunch of returned messages that I never > sent :((((((( > > ...they all appear to be porn spam using a variety of names in the from line > but all with my dejpolsys at hotmail.com following the name which of course > results in me getting the ones with a bad address. > > ...I'm afraid that ISPs will start to filter my hotmail address which I've > used for years mostly for my business contacts :((( > > ...is there anything I can do? > Nothing at all. You are just another victim of a "joe job". Some spammer picked your address to use as his forged from or return address. I've recently been hit with the same thing, loads of bounce messages for a bunch of non existent addresses all *@lexacorp.com.pg. -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Mar 16 08:36:44 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:36:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WTFO? References: <40577947.18749.3137D79@localhost> Message-ID: <405710FC.2030407@torchlake.com> I, too, had a spate of those last summer - bounces that had no meaning to me, but were from a spoof of my email address. At the same time, I was receiving a bunch of spam sent TO me, apparently FROM me. I deleted and bounced a few of them, and of course, the bounce alert came back to me. Stuart is right, there isn't anything you can actually do about it. My experience suggests that it does run in cycles, though. I haven't had any of those particular spoofs in several months. Tina Stuart McLachlan wrote: >On 16 Mar 2004 at 6:37, William Hindman wrote: > > > >>...all of a sudden I'm getting a bunch of returned messages that I never >>sent :((((((( >> >>...they all appear to be porn spam using a variety of names in the from line >>but all with my dejpolsys at hotmail.com following the name which of course >>results in me getting the ones with a bad address. >> >>...I'm afraid that ISPs will start to filter my hotmail address which I've >>used for years mostly for my business contacts :((( >> >>...is there anything I can do? >> >> >> >Nothing at all. > >You are just another victim of a "joe job". Some spammer picked your >address to use as his forged from or return address. > >I've recently been hit with the same thing, loads of bounce messages >for a bunch of non existent addresses all *@lexacorp.com.pg. > > > > > > > From my.lists at verizon.net Tue Mar 16 08:51:32 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:51:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WTFO? In-Reply-To: <004201c40b4b$07e49490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> References: <4054BC21.2030200@torchlake.com><001801c40a0f$debde2b0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys><4055B192.8060608@torchlake.com> <00b501c40ae2$db41dd70$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> <004201c40b4b$07e49490$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: <40571474.4050708@verizon.net> William Hindman wrote: >...all of a sudden I'm getting a bunch of returned messages that I never >sent :((((((( > >...they all appear to be porn spam using a variety of names in the from line >but all with my dejpolsys at hotmail.com following the name which of course >results in me getting the ones with a bad address. > >...I'm afraid that ISPs will start to filter my hotmail address which I've >used for years mostly for my business contacts :((( > >...is there anything I can do? > > I've been getting these as of recent too. To keep these from returning back into your inbox make sure you report each of them as spam, which is what they are since you are not the one originating them. -- -Francisco From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Mar 16 15:11:11 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:41:11 +1030 Subject: [dba-Tech] WTFO? Message-ID: Also, 2 rampant viruses (viri??) of late spoof the senders address, so this is another factor which causes them. Only need 1 person who has your email address to get infected.. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.beagle.m at mm.html http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky.k at mm.html Cheers, A -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 1:22 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WTFO? William Hindman wrote: >...all of a sudden I'm getting a bunch of returned messages that I >never sent :((((((( > >...they all appear to be porn spam using a variety of names in the from >line but all with my dejpolsys at hotmail.com following the name which of >course results in me getting the ones with a bad address. > >...I'm afraid that ISPs will start to filter my hotmail address which >I've used for years mostly for my business contacts :((( > >...is there anything I can do? > > I've been getting these as of recent too. To keep these from returning back into your inbox make sure you report each of them as spam, which is what they are since you are not the one originating them. -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Mar 18 09:02:58 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:02:58 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A78F@ALCUXB> Hi all - I've got a pc here with a bit of a problem. It's running Win 95 (I think it's a P2-400ish) and is an instrument controller for an analytical instrument (with, typically, the only copy of the software on the pc). One day it stopped seeing the network - to me, it looks like some of the dll's have been removed, but it will not let me run the hardware installer to install a new network card, or drivers for anything. It's displaying everything in 16 colour, 400*600 mode, which is a little disorientating to say the least. Without reinstalling windows (as I'm not sure if it'll stop the instrument software working) is there any way to solve this problem? Please bear in mind that I've not used Win 95 for a good few years - and am more proficient in 2k, so I've forgotten some of the subtleties of 95. Thanks Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Thu Mar 18 10:06:12 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:06:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A78F@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A78F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4059C8F4.9060908@verizon.net> Oh the joys of Windows 95 ;o). It almost sounds as if you were hit by some kind of virus. a) have you checked for viruses on this pc? b) have you checked for spyware on this pc? (spybot or adaware) c) you can re-install windows 95 OVER your existing install and it will replace the missing files, but won't overwrite any of the possibly infected ones. Jon Tydda wrote: >Hi all - I've got a pc here with a bit of a problem. It's running Win 95 (I >think it's a P2-400ish) and is an instrument controller for an analytical >instrument (with, typically, the only copy of the software on the pc). One >day it stopped seeing the network - to me, it looks like some of the dll's >have been removed, but it will not let me run the hardware installer to >install a new network card, or drivers for anything. It's displaying >everything in 16 colour, 400*600 mode, which is a little disorientating to >say the least. > >Without reinstalling windows (as I'm not sure if it'll stop the instrument >software working) is there any way to solve this problem? Please bear in >mind that I've not used Win 95 for a good few years - and am more proficient >in 2k, so I've forgotten some of the subtleties of 95. > > -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Mar 18 10:11:18 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:11:18 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A798@ALCUXB> Heh :-) I haven't checked for a virus yet - just ran scandisk and defrag, they're both ok. I'll try and find a floppy disk somewhere and put stinger on it. I've not checked for spyware as it's not on the network - so no network drinves :-( I'll try that as the last resort then, thanks! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 18 March 2004 16:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Oh the joys of Windows 95 ;o). It almost sounds as if you were hit by some kind of virus. a) have you checked for viruses on this pc? b) have you checked for spyware on this pc? (spybot or adaware) c) you can re-install windows 95 OVER your existing install and it will replace the missing files, but won't overwrite any of the possibly infected ones. Jon Tydda wrote: >Hi all - I've got a pc here with a bit of a problem. It's running Win 95 (I >think it's a P2-400ish) and is an instrument controller for an analytical >instrument (with, typically, the only copy of the software on the pc). One >day it stopped seeing the network - to me, it looks like some of the dll's >have been removed, but it will not let me run the hardware installer to >install a new network card, or drivers for anything. It's displaying >everything in 16 colour, 400*600 mode, which is a little disorientating to >say the least. > >Without reinstalling windows (as I'm not sure if it'll stop the instrument >software working) is there any way to solve this problem? Please bear in >mind that I've not used Win 95 for a good few years - and am more proficient >in 2k, so I've forgotten some of the subtleties of 95. > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Thu Mar 18 10:18:26 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:18:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Message-ID: Since this is a one of PC/software, before you do much else, I'd suggest that you image the hard drive (to a CD, network drive or separate HD), so that no matter what else, you can always restore it to the way it currently is. Bryan Carbonnel bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 18-Mar-04 11:11:18 AM >>> Heh :-) I haven't checked for a virus yet - just ran scandisk and defrag, they're both ok. I'll try and find a floppy disk somewhere and put stinger on it. I've not checked for spyware as it's not on the network - so no network drinves :-( I'll try that as the last resort then, thanks! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 18 March 2004 16:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Oh the joys of Windows 95 ;o). It almost sounds as if you were hit by some kind of virus. a) have you checked for viruses on this pc? b) have you checked for spyware on this pc? (spybot or adaware) c) you can re-install windows 95 OVER your existing install and it will replace the missing files, but won't overwrite any of the possibly infected ones. Jon Tydda wrote: >Hi all - I've got a pc here with a bit of a problem. It's running Win 95 (I >think it's a P2-400ish) and is an instrument controller for an analytical >instrument (with, typically, the only copy of the software on the pc). One >day it stopped seeing the network - to me, it looks like some of the dll's >have been removed, but it will not let me run the hardware installer to >install a new network card, or drivers for anything. It's displaying >everything in 16 colour, 400*600 mode, which is a little disorientating to >say the least. > >Without reinstalling windows (as I'm not sure if it'll stop the instrument >software working) is there any way to solve this problem? Please bear in >mind that I've not used Win 95 for a good few years - and am more proficient >in 2k, so I've forgotten some of the subtleties of 95. > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Mar 18 10:26:50 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:26:50 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A79C@ALCUXB> Already done that! I don't want the spanking that would go with losing everything :-) Thanks though Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] Sent: 18 March 2004 16:18 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Since this is a one of PC/software, before you do much else, I'd suggest that you image the hard drive (to a CD, network drive or separate HD), so that no matter what else, you can always restore it to the way it currently is. Bryan Carbonnel bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 18-Mar-04 11:11:18 AM >>> Heh :-) I haven't checked for a virus yet - just ran scandisk and defrag, they're both ok. I'll try and find a floppy disk somewhere and put stinger on it. I've not checked for spyware as it's not on the network - so no network drinves :-( I'll try that as the last resort then, thanks! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 18 March 2004 16:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Oh the joys of Windows 95 ;o). It almost sounds as if you were hit by some kind of virus. a) have you checked for viruses on this pc? b) have you checked for spyware on this pc? (spybot or adaware) c) you can re-install windows 95 OVER your existing install and it will replace the missing files, but won't overwrite any of the possibly infected ones. Jon Tydda wrote: >Hi all - I've got a pc here with a bit of a problem. It's running Win 95 (I >think it's a P2-400ish) and is an instrument controller for an analytical >instrument (with, typically, the only copy of the software on the pc). One >day it stopped seeing the network - to me, it looks like some of the dll's >have been removed, but it will not let me run the hardware installer to >install a new network card, or drivers for anything. It's displaying >everything in 16 colour, 400*600 mode, which is a little disorientating to >say the least. > >Without reinstalling windows (as I'm not sure if it'll stop the instrument >software working) is there any way to solve this problem? Please bear in >mind that I've not used Win 95 for a good few years - and am more proficient >in 2k, so I've forgotten some of the subtleties of 95. > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca Thu Mar 18 10:46:34 2004 From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:46:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Message-ID: Yea, that wouldn't be fun, that's why I suggested it. Bryan Carbonnell bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>> Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk 18-Mar-04 11:26:50 AM >>> Already done that! I don't want the spanking that would go with losing everything :-) Thanks though Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] Sent: 18 March 2004 16:18 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 95 problem Since this is a one of PC/software, before you do much else, I'd suggest that you image the hard drive (to a CD, network drive or separate HD), so that no matter what else, you can always restore it to the way it currently is. From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 09:37:24 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:37:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address In-Reply-To: <000001c40dc5$e5b04770$6501a8c0@delllaptop> References: <000001c40dc5$e5b04770$6501a8c0@delllaptop> Message-ID: <405B13B4.5000803@verizon.net> Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), Thanks, Joe Hecht wrote: >I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >my spam load. > >You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. > > >JOE HECHT >LOS ANGELES CA > > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >To: AccessD >Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address > >Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >address >has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >turned >off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >500 >or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >folder. >It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >email >box down. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 09:44:45 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:44:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address In-Reply-To: <405B13B4.5000803@verizon.net> References: <000001c40dc5$e5b04770$6501a8c0@delllaptop> <405B13B4.5000803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <405B156D.5090405@verizon.net> I *USED* to use mailwasher but I got tiered of batteling spam and sending all these bounced messages...in the end I ended up moving to Thunderbird, which does a suprisingly good job of flitering out junkmail... I don't say that to pursade anyone... but in my case it's been a life saver to filter out at my end w/ Thunderbird. :) (google: Mozilla Thunderbird) Francisco H Tapia wrote: > Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm > moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), > > > Thanks, > > > Joe Hecht wrote: > >> I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >> my spam load. >> >> You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >> spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >> address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >> mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. >> >> >> JOE HECHT >> LOS ANGELES CA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >> To: AccessD >> Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address >> >> Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >> address >> has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >> turned >> off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >> approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >> accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >> 500 >> or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >> folder. >> It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >> email >> box down. >> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> >> > > -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Mar 19 09:46:17 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:46:17 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A7AF@ALCUXB> I know we've been here and done it, but I use McAfee Spamkiller, and I still think it's great... whenever you update a filter to include a certain word or phrase, if a number of other people have added that same filter, it'll be added to everyone's filters on the next downloaded update from McAfee. So you benefit from other people's spam problems... Also, because it's a separate window that opens before your mail program, it doesn't run HTML code, or open attachments or anything, so you can filter out Viruses etc before they do any damage. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] Sent: 19 March 2004 15:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address I *USED* to use mailwasher but I got tiered of batteling spam and sending all these bounced messages...in the end I ended up moving to Thunderbird, which does a suprisingly good job of flitering out junkmail... I don't say that to pursade anyone... but in my case it's been a life saver to filter out at my end w/ Thunderbird. :) (google: Mozilla Thunderbird) Francisco H Tapia wrote: > Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm > moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), > > > Thanks, > > > Joe Hecht wrote: > >> I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >> my spam load. >> >> You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >> spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >> address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >> mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. >> >> >> JOE HECHT >> LOS ANGELES CA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >> To: AccessD >> Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address >> >> Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >> address >> has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >> turned >> off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >> approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >> accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >> 500 >> or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >> folder. >> It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >> email >> box down. >> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> >> > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 11:52:29 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:52:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A7AF@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A7AF@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <405B335D.7070009@verizon.net> A co-worker here uses Cloudmark, it's pretty much the same as McAfee's SpamKiller, It's been around for quite some time... as he uses outlook for many of his email needs, it was the right choice for him. And just like you've stated, he benefits from a large group of contributors. I like the idea, but I don't want to pay for filtering out spam that "shouldn't" be arriving in my box anyways... :) I'm sure the next revisions of thunderbird will still further improve the junkmail attributes :) Jon Tydda wrote: >I know we've been here and done it, but I use McAfee Spamkiller, and I still >think it's great... whenever you update a filter to include a certain word >or phrase, if a number of other people have added that same filter, it'll be >added to everyone's filters on the next downloaded update from McAfee. So >you benefit from other people's spam problems... Also, because it's a >separate window that opens before your mail program, it doesn't run HTML >code, or open attachments or anything, so you can filter out Viruses etc >before they do any damage. > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] >Sent: 19 March 2004 15:45 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address > > >I *USED* to use mailwasher but I got tiered of batteling spam and >sending all these bounced messages...in the end I ended up moving to >Thunderbird, which does a suprisingly good job of flitering out >junkmail... I don't say that to pursade anyone... but in my case it's >been a life saver to filter out at my end w/ Thunderbird. :) > >(google: Mozilla Thunderbird) > > >Francisco H Tapia wrote: > > > >>Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm >>moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Joe Hecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >>>my spam load. >>> >>>You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >>>spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >>>address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >>>mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. >>> >>> >>>JOE HECHT >>>LOS ANGELES CA >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >>>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >>>To: AccessD >>>Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address >>> >>>Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >>>address >>>has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >>>turned >>>off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >>>approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >>>accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >>>500 >>>or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >>>folder. >>>It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >>>email >>>box down. >>> >>>Sorry for the inconvenience. >>> >>>John W. Colby >>>www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- -Francisco From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Mar 19 14:50:12 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:50:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address In-Reply-To: <405B156D.5090405@verizon.net> Message-ID: I use SpamBayes for Outlook, a Bayesian filter. It is AMAZING but... it still has the occasional 1 out of 500 emails (or even less) that are good emails from someone out there somewhere. Real messages sent to spam for some reason. my old email address simply gets so much spam now, more than 300 per day and climbing, that it just doesn't make any sense anymore to fight that battle. Since turning it off I don't get a single one. My old address was on my web site for many years and just got put into every list out there. I will create an address specifically for my web site, use one of the tricks mentioned, and if it starts getting hammered I'll just close that account and open another for the web site. Since the vast majority of my real email is from associates who will eventually get my new address and switch to that, my flood of spam will just stop entirely. Believe me, it's nice not getting a single spam in 2 days. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H Tapia Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address I *USED* to use mailwasher but I got tiered of batteling spam and sending all these bounced messages...in the end I ended up moving to Thunderbird, which does a suprisingly good job of flitering out junkmail... I don't say that to pursade anyone... but in my case it's been a life saver to filter out at my end w/ Thunderbird. :) (google: Mozilla Thunderbird) Francisco H Tapia wrote: > Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm > moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), > > > Thanks, > > > Joe Hecht wrote: > >> I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >> my spam load. >> >> You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >> spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >> address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >> mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. >> >> >> JOE HECHT >> LOS ANGELES CA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >> To: AccessD >> Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address >> >> Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >> address >> has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >> turned >> off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >> approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >> accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >> 500 >> or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >> folder. >> It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >> email >> box down. >> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> >> > > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 15:15:46 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:15:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tbird update Message-ID: <405B6302.4090309@verizon.net> I should have posted this a while back but I have been testing it... the newer algorithm for Thunderbird release 20040312 does a better job in junk mail filtering :) http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=61223 -- -Francisco From my.lists at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 15:43:31 2004 From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:43:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405B6983.1020303@verizon.net> OUCH 300! :O I still have my old "hotmail" email address and I get something about 15-30 spams a day. I finally ran into a neat product online... it's called mailinator.com. I use it as a spam fighting tool, whenever I subscribe to a site, but don't want to make sure I don't get ANY spam, I give it a throwaway address like ------------------------------------------------------------------------ myspamBox at mailinator.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's not neccary to go to mailinator.com and create the box as it is automatically created on the fly w/o any issues. This works great for 2 reasons.. you can sign up to a web list and give it a fake address like mentioned above and then if you need to activate it via some special url link, just visit mailinator.com and give it the fake email address you then get a chance to visit the inbox for that account (note there is NO password to the account), it's a disposable email address. John W. Colby wrote: >I use SpamBayes for Outlook, a Bayesian filter. It is AMAZING but... it >still has the occasional 1 out of 500 emails (or even less) that are good >emails from someone out there somewhere. Real messages sent to spam for >some reason. my old email address simply gets so much spam now, more than >300 per day and climbing, that it just doesn't make any sense anymore to >fight that battle. Since turning it off I don't get a single one. My old >address was on my web site for many years and just got put into every list >out there. I will create an address specifically for my web site, use one >of the tricks mentioned, and if it starts getting hammered I'll just close >that account and open another for the web site. Since the vast majority of >my real email is from associates who will eventually get my new address and >switch to that, my flood of spam will just stop entirely. > >Believe me, it's nice not getting a single spam in 2 days. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H >Tapia >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:45 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] Spam Filter was New EMail Address > > >I *USED* to use mailwasher but I got tiered of batteling spam and >sending all these bounced messages...in the end I ended up moving to >Thunderbird, which does a suprisingly good job of flitering out >junkmail... I don't say that to pursade anyone... but in my case it's >been a life saver to filter out at my end w/ Thunderbird. :) > >(google: Mozilla Thunderbird) > > >Francisco H Tapia wrote: > > > >>Spam and Email filtering is a serious and interesting topic, I'm >>moving the thread to the dba-tech list where it can continue to grow :), >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Joe Hecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have been using Mail Washer as a spam filter and successfully reduced >>>my spam load. >>> >>>You download your e-mail into a new window. You can go in and mark the >>>spam and it gets bounced back as a bad address. You can either mark 1 >>>address or an entire domain as spam. Click one button to process the >>>mail and it then downloads into your e-mail client. >>> >>> >>>JOE HECHT >>>LOS ANGELES CA >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby >>>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:59 PM >>>To: AccessD >>>Subject: [AccessD] New EMail Address >>> >>>Anyone who has me in their address book should note that my email >>>address >>>has changed to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (notice the W). I have >>>turned >>>off jcolby at colbyconsulting.com due to an overwhelming flood of spam, >>>approaching 300 spam emails a day. While my email filter was extremely >>>accurate in getting them out of my inbox there is the occasional (1 in >>>500 >>>or so) false positives where a good email gets put out in the spam >>>folder. >>>It is getting very hard to find them so it's time to just shut that >>>email >>>box down. >>> >>>Sorry for the inconvenience. >>> >>> -- -Francisco From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk Fri Mar 26 09:43:46 2004 From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:43:46 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Listserver hosting Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6C65@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk> Dear all A user group of which I am a member is looking for a cheap, reliable hosting service for a low volume list. Can anyone recommend anything? TIA Roz From DBCfour at aol.com Fri Mar 26 09:49:07 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:49:07 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] Listserver hosting Message-ID: www.freelists.org. Free, but they only host lists that are technical in nature. Very reliable, very well managed, no spam, no ads...can't say enough good about them. Donna In a message dated 3/26/2004 10:44:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk writes: Dear all A user group of which I am a member is looking for a cheap, reliable hosting service for a low volume list. Can anyone recommend anything? TIA Roz From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk Fri Mar 26 10:12:24 2004 From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:12:24 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Listserver hosting Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6C68@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk> Thanks Donna. I'm curious about the technical side of religion ;) ..on second thoughts no I'm not. This looks spot-on for what my guys need, thanks again. Roz -----Original Message----- From: DBCfour at aol.com [mailto:DBCfour at aol.com] Sent: 26 March 2004 15:49 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Listserver hosting www.freelists.org. Free, but they only host lists that are technical in nature. Very reliable, very well managed, no spam, no ads...can't say enough good about them. Donna In a message dated 3/26/2004 10:44:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk writes: Dear all A user group of which I am a member is looking for a cheap, reliable hosting service for a low volume list. Can anyone recommend anything? TIA Roz _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Mar 26 10:27:16 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:27:16 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking References: Message-ID: <00a501c4134f$343a8110$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Just a follow-up - I finally bit the bullet and ran a wire down to the office that was on wireless. It didn't turn out to be so hard. So I'm off wireless altogether, now. I think it has a place, but I just couldn't get it to work reliably. And I believe it was from interference with all the other wireless networks around here and the school which is two doors away. Various wireless networks kept popping up on my dialog box. I was considering moving to 11g but I think after a year or two the whole neighborhood's going that way so I'd have the same problem. The guy who ran the wire suggested we could move the wireless router into the garage, closer to the box with the antenna, but I said string the wire. Now the connection is fast (even though I had to put it through a 10Mbps hub because I ran out of ports on the router), reliable, and my wife is ecstatic. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >>>>then maybe a pro is what he needs - William<<<< > > > Yep, I agree. And as I remember he had some pesky CEMENT walls or ceilings > in the way? > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! > http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DBCfour at aol.com Fri Mar 26 10:30:57 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:30:57 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Message-ID: Which is really all that matters. :-) Donna In a message dated 3/26/2004 11:27:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, bchacc at san.rr.com writes: Now my wife is ecstatic. Rocky From john at winhaven.net Fri Mar 26 10:57:49 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:57:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking In-Reply-To: <00a501c4134f$343a8110$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I don't have the neighborhood full of WAPs problems (and probably never will) but the WAP I have for my wife doesn't get through he walls very reliably either. Concrete and steel buildings are even worse. I don't think the network cabling guys need to worry about their jobs for awhile yet. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:27 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking Just a follow-up - I finally bit the bullet and ran a wire down to the office that was on wireless. It didn't turn out to be so hard. So I'm off wireless altogether, now. I think it has a place, but I just couldn't get it to work reliably. And I believe it was from interference with all the other wireless networks around here and the school which is two doors away. Various wireless networks kept popping up on my dialog box. I was considering moving to 11g but I think after a year or two the whole neighborhood's going that way so I'd have the same problem. The guy who ran the wire suggested we could move the wireless router into the garage, closer to the box with the antenna, but I said string the wire. Now the connection is fast (even though I had to put it through a 10Mbps hub because I ran out of ports on the router), reliable, and my wife is ecstatic. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] For Rocky - Wireless Networking > >>>>then maybe a pro is what he needs - William<<<< > > > Yep, I agree. And as I remember he had some pesky CEMENT walls or ceilings > in the way? > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! > http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JA Sweep_MSNHotm2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DBCfour at aol.com Sat Mar 27 19:03:24 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:03:24 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server Message-ID: <1e3.1c6a8eea.2d977e5c@aol.com> Is anyone here running a NM ILS Server? I need to set one up for online collaborative training on the fly, and thought perhaps someone here had some experience in doing so. Needless to say, following the MS instructions got me nowhere. :-( Donna From music at weblnk.net Sat Mar 27 19:08:35 2004 From: music at weblnk.net (Jason Strickland) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:08:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server In-Reply-To: <1e3.1c6a8eea.2d977e5c@aol.com> Message-ID: <200403280108.i2S18pM22914@databaseadvisors.com> As last I heard, MS was not running any ILS Servers; they wanted people to use MS Messenger. -Jason -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DBCfour at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:03 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server Is anyone here running a NM ILS Server? I need to set one up for online collaborative training on the fly, and thought perhaps someone here had some experience in doing so. Needless to say, following the MS instructions got me nowhere. :-( Donna _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DBCfour at aol.com Sat Mar 27 19:18:19 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:18:19 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server Message-ID: <19f.225f149f.2d9781db@aol.com> Hmmm..maybe I wasn't clear. I need to set up my own server, so people in the field can connect to a NM server in the office for online training. Donna In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:09:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, music at weblnk.net writes: As last I heard, MS was not running any ILS Servers; they wanted people to use MS Messenger. -Jason -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DBCfour at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:03 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server Is anyone here running a NM ILS Server? I need to set one up for online collaborative training on the fly, and thought perhaps someone here had some experience in doing so. Needless to say, following the MS instructions got me nowhere. :-( Donna From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Mar 27 22:18:01 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:18:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server References: <19f.225f149f.2d9781db@aol.com> Message-ID: <008301c4147b$a929d340$6601a8c0@HAL9002> That wouldn't have anything to do with the shareholder's meeting, would it? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server > Hmmm..maybe I wasn't clear. I need to set up my own server, so people in the > field can connect to a NM server in the office for online training. > > Donna > > In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:09:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > music at weblnk.net writes: > As last I heard, MS was not running any ILS Servers; they wanted people to > use MS Messenger. > > -Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DBCfour at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:03 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server > > > Is anyone here running a NM ILS Server? I need to set one up for online > collaborative training on the fly, and thought perhaps someone here had some > experience in doing so. > > Needless to say, following the MS instructions got me nowhere. :-( > > Donna > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DBCfour at aol.com Sun Mar 28 06:29:03 2004 From: DBCfour at aol.com (DBCfour at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:29:03 EST Subject: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server Message-ID: <1da.1d977303.2d981f0f@aol.com> Could certainly be used for it. Donna In a message dated 3/27/2004 11:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, bchacc at san.rr.com writes: That wouldn't have anything to do with the shareholder's meeting, would it? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] NetMeeting ILS Server > Hmmm..maybe I wasn't clear. I need to set up my own server, so people in the > field can connect to a NM server in the office for online training. > > Donna > > In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:09:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > music at weblnk.net writes: > As last I heard, MS was not running any ILS Servers; they wanted people to > use MS Messenger. > > -Jason From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Mar 28 23:11:49 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: <09c201c4154c$578a3670$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Mar 29 02:12:07 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:12:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A821@ALCUXB> Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Mar 29 06:02:07 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:02:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <09c201c4154c$578a3670$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <4068103F.2080109@torchlake.com> Hi Rocky, There's something I recall about ink cartridges and HP printers (Canon, too, probably others) - the newer ones have some kind of "is this a new cartridge?" electronic recognition. That's why refilling them doesn't work well anymore. (Yes, some of us really did do that - cartridges are expensive.) So, the cartridge that came from the printer that is working has already given up its "new" status when it went into that working printer. The printer not working may really need a new cartridge, and it just is not being fooled by the cartridge you borrowed from the working printer. Try a really new cartridge and see if that works. Otherwise, yup, you may have come to a moment of failure of some little component on the printed circuit board - and to repair it will take two or three bench hours of a skilled technician (if you can find anyone even willing to try), which will cost a bunch more than a new printer. (I, too, will withhold my rant on the "disposable" attitude of our society - but someday, let's have a go at that one!) Sorry. HTH Tina Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > >Best to all, > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 08:08:24 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A821@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <001f01c41597$4cc09130$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: It doesn't even have tools. This printer cost $40. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 08:09:23 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:09:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <09c201c4154c$578a3670$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <4068103F.2080109@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <002501c41597$70247920$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Tina: New one didn't work either. Looks like my 7 year old gets to take apart another printer. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Hi Rocky, > > There's something I recall about ink cartridges and HP printers (Canon, > too, probably others) - the newer ones have some kind of "is this a new > cartridge?" electronic recognition. That's why refilling them doesn't > work well anymore. (Yes, some of us really did do that - cartridges are > expensive.) So, the cartridge that came from the printer that is > working has already given up its "new" status when it went into that > working printer. The printer not working may really need a new > cartridge, and it just is not being fooled by the cartridge you borrowed > from the working printer. Try a really new cartridge and see if that works. > > Otherwise, yup, you may have come to a moment of failure of some little > component on the printed circuit board - and to repair it will take two > or three bench hours of a skilled technician (if you can find anyone > even willing to try), which will cost a bunch more than a new printer. > (I, too, will withhold my rant on the "disposable" attitude of our > society - but someday, let's have a go at that one!) Sorry. > > HTH > Tina > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 08:11:02 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:11:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <09c201c4154c$578a3670$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Try this: http://h20015.www2.hp.com/hub_search/document.jhtml?lc=en&docName=bpd07585 Resetting the power may be the key. HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:12 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Mar 29 08:11:54 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:11:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A838@ALCUXB> No softawre at all? That's very unlike HP. Check out their website, there might be something there. I have about 20 different types of HP printer here at work, and only one of them doesn't have tools, but that's because it's a 100 year old dot matrix printer! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 15:08 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Jon: It doesn't even have tools. This printer cost $40. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 10:08:56 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:08:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: Didja go to the HP Website? They used to have a pretty extensive online help section there. I found out how to modify one of my HP printers there once when it was falsly detecting something or another that had to do with printing banners - something that I had never done with that printer nor did I plan to - so it talked me though clipping a wire to get around the problem. It was laced with "this is not supported by HP and will void your warranty" etc, but since i was already out of warranty, WTF? I'd check the contacts were the cartridge plugs into and make sure that they are clean - perhaps try to clean them off with some alcohol or some aerosol contact cleaner (you can get it ar Radio Shack) or maybe a pencil eraser depending on what they look like. Did you try a google search with that model number and a couple words about the problem? I've had some success in the past finding info that way too - almost a shot in the dark but stranger things have happened too. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "dba-tech" >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > >Best to all, > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar ? FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 10:16:33 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:16:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year and that printer continues to work beautifully. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "dba-tech" >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > >Best to all, > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 10:28:25 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:28:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: Message-ID: <007901c415aa$dc6fbaf0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> John: Tried it but I'm not getting the error message on the monitor. The 'change printer cartridge' light is blinking. I don't have the parallel cable plugged in. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Hi Rocky, > Try this: > http://h20015.www2.hp.com/hub_search/document.jhtml?lc=en&docName=bpd07585 > > Resetting the power may be the key. > > HTH > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:12 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 10:36:30 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:36:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: Message-ID: <008b01c415ab$fd6126d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 11:32:11 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:32:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <007901c415aa$dc6fbaf0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I had a similar problem with my HP1220c but I use it it a lot - and I also refill my own cartridges. Using a new catridge would work fine but I order ink by the quart so I needed to use that up :o) Removing the power cord so it would reset was the key. BTW: only problem I've had with the 1220c in 4 years and I beat that thing to death! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 John: Tried it but I'm not getting the error message on the monitor. The 'change printer cartridge' light is blinking. I don't have the parallel cable plugged in. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Hi Rocky, > Try this: > http://h20015.www2.hp.com/hub_search/document.jhtml?lc=en&docName=bpd07585 > > Resetting the power may be the key. > > HTH > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:12 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 11:44:09 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:44:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <008b01c415ab$fd6126d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I have never liked Epson inkjet printers on Windows. They irritate the crap out of me. I'm not a brand name person (I have an Epson Scanner that is great) but that's one thing I've avoided. HP Printers (Quality printers anyway) have the print head built into the cartridge so they last much longer without paying a fortune for a print head when it goes under. You just can't go wrong buying a $100+ HP printer. In the old days they used to say you can't get fired for going with IBM. Now days you can't get fired for buying a business class HP Printer. JMO -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From blreische at mdh.org Mon Mar 29 11:48:49 2004 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:48:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612C1C@NEWMAN_EXC> I really like my new Brother All-In-One. I got a printer/scanner/fax/copier with flatbed & adf. It has separate ink containers for the various colors, and it's quite peppy and nice quality. The printer was $179, less $30 in-store instant rebate, less $30 mail-in rebate. Excellent deal! Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I have never liked Epson inkjet printers on Windows. They irritate the crap out of me. I'm not a brand name person (I have an Epson Scanner that is great) but that's one thing I've avoided. HP Printers (Quality printers anyway) have the print head built into the cartridge so they last much longer without paying a fortune for a print head when it goes under. You just can't go wrong buying a $100+ HP printer. In the old days they used to say you can't get fired for going with IBM. Now days you can't get fired for buying a business class HP Printer. JMO -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a > year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into > >the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it > >is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It > >IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society > >I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who > >knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 13:30:14 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:30:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612C1C@NEWMAN_EXC> Message-ID: I've got two brother all-in-ones sitting in the junk bin right now. I thought they were great too - until the print heads got dry and they wanted $200 to replace it. Same thing for both of them. :o( I hope you have better luck! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische, Brenda L. Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I really like my new Brother All-In-One. I got a printer/scanner/fax/copier with flatbed & adf. It has separate ink containers for the various colors, and it's quite peppy and nice quality. The printer was $179, less $30 in-store instant rebate, less $30 mail-in rebate. Excellent deal! Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I have never liked Epson inkjet printers on Windows. They irritate the crap out of me. I'm not a brand name person (I have an Epson Scanner that is great) but that's one thing I've avoided. HP Printers (Quality printers anyway) have the print head built into the cartridge so they last much longer without paying a fortune for a print head when it goes under. You just can't go wrong buying a $100+ HP printer. In the old days they used to say you can't get fired for going with IBM. Now days you can't get fired for buying a business class HP Printer. JMO -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a > year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into > >the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it > >is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It > >IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society > >I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who > >knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 15:12:56 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:12:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63A821@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <200403292112.i2TLCqQi215014@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Rocky I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 15:15:37 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:15:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403292115.i2TLFYTa004210@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> I have to agree on Brother! Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I've got two brother all-in-ones sitting in the junk bin right now. I thought they were great too - until the print heads got dry and they wanted $200 to replace it. Same thing for both of them. :o( I hope you have better luck! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reische, Brenda L. Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I really like my new Brother All-In-One. I got a printer/scanner/fax/copier with flatbed & adf. It has separate ink containers for the various colors, and it's quite peppy and nice quality. The printer was $179, less $30 in-store instant rebate, less $30 mail-in rebate. Excellent deal! Brenda Reische Application Support Analyst McDonough District Hospital www.mdh.org (309) 833-4101 -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I have never liked Epson inkjet printers on Windows. They irritate the crap out of me. I'm not a brand name person (I have an Epson Scanner that is great) but that's one thing I've avoided. HP Printers (Quality printers anyway) have the print head built into the cartridge so they last much longer without paying a fortune for a print head when it goes under. You just can't go wrong buying a $100+ HP printer. In the old days they used to say you can't get fired for going with IBM. Now days you can't get fired for buying a business class HP Printer. JMO -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a > year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into > >the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it > >is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It > >IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society > >I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who > >knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 15:18:23 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:18:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <008b01c415ab$fd6126d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200403292118.i2TLIKGa027990@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Rocky, You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing lots of the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend 150-250 on an HP or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good for several years. I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year and > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > Gary Kjos > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >issues > >To: "dba-tech" > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > >Best to all, > > > >Rocky Smolin > >Beach Access Software > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 15:25:26 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:25:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <200403292112.i2TLCqQi215014@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Hi Juan, I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the shop? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Rocky I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 15:39:01 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:39:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403292138.i2TLcuGa213918@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> John, We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! Inkjets- The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Hi Juan, I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the shop? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Rocky I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 15:57:38 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:57:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <200403292112.i2TLCqQi215014@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <007d01c415d8$da4a7b10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Juan: That definitely clears it up. My seven year old, who gets to tear the printer apart now, thanks you. Rocky P.S. Is there any way to 'hot wire' it, to get around the problem? I.e., is it electronic or mechanical? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop > with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a > small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth > fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 15:58:13 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:58:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <200403292118.i2TLIKGa027990@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <008301c415d8$ef270e90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> How about the C-84? Or is it too new? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Rocky, > > You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing lots of > the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend 150-250 on an HP > or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 16:03:12 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:03:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <200403292138.i2TLcuGa213918@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and one with a II -still humming along. I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never "asks" my advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a great piece of equipment he just got and for such a great price! Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had problems and kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He is a good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, every now and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 John, We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! Inkjets- The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Hi Juan, I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the shop? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Rocky I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 16:09:38 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:09:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <007d01c415d8$da4a7b10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200403292209.i2TM9XTa129876@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> No it is a mechanical issue so no work around yet :) I have tried superglue and some other experiments but have had no luck in the fix!! JZ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:58 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Herman Slutzky Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Juan: That definitely clears it up. My seven year old, who gets to tear the printer apart now, thanks you. Rocky P.S. Is there any way to 'hot wire' it, to get around the problem? I.e., is it electronic or mechanical? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop > with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a > small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth > fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 16:10:26 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:10:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <008301c415d8$ef270e90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200403292210.i2TMALQi142040@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Avoid Epson all the new ones are having issues with Chip on Ink Cartridges and the print heads do clog up JZ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:58 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 How about the C-84? Or is it too new? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Rocky, > > You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing lots of > the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend 150-250 on an HP > or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Mon Mar 29 16:11:02 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:11:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403292210.i2TMAvQi219340@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> GREAT STORY! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and one with a II -still humming along. I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never "asks" my advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a great piece of equipment he just got and for such a great price! Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had problems and kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He is a good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, every now and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 John, We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! 4+Inkjets- The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Hi Juan, I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the shop? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Rocky I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. Juan Printer Repair Depot -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) Best to all, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 29 17:43:55 2004 From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:43:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <008b01c415ab$fd6126d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <011c01c415e7$b3047920$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> ...I stay away from Epsons and Cannons because the drivers always seem to be buggy ...they may be alright for everyday type work but when you do something a bit outside the norm they go bonkers ime ...HPs on the other hand just keep on chugging ...I use DJ890s on the desk and prefer LJ4s for heavy duty work ...they make the everyready rabbit look like a laggard :)))) William Hindman ipsedixitism: something is true because I myself have said it is true ...the philosophy of Noam Chomsky :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Mar 29 19:08:30 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:08:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <200403292210.i2TMAvQi219340@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <011c01c415f3$83ce2d20$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Any opinions on the HP DJ5150? Or the HP Photosmart 7260? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > GREAT STORY! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. > They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and one > with a II -still humming along. > > I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never "asks" my > advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a great piece of > equipment he just got and for such a great price! > > Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had problems and > kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He is a > good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, every now > and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > John, > > We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" > :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can > buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, > 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! > 4+Inkjets- > The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 > (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do > not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser > printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the > 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Hi Juan, > > I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic > but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem > in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the > shop? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop > with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a > small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth > fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 21:02:56 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:02:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <011c01c415f3$83ce2d20$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I've got a couple of 5150s out. It seems like HP cut the model off awful quick but I haven't had any issues yet. They have the ability to use different print cartridges for different quality jobs something the newer models also have. Can't make a recommendation one or the other at this point though. Maybe Juan could based on whether or not he has seen any come in yet. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Any opinions on the HP DJ5150? Or the HP Photosmart 7260? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > GREAT STORY! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. > They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and one > with a II -still humming along. > > I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never "asks" my > advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a great piece of > equipment he just got and for such a great price! > > Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had problems and > kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He is a > good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, every now > and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > John, > > We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" > :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can > buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, > 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! > 4+Inkjets- > The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 > (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do > not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser > printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the > 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Hi Juan, > > I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic > but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem > in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the > shop? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop > with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a > small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth > fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 21:06:37 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:06:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <011c01c415e7$b3047920$6101a8c0@dejpolsys> Message-ID: I would probably spend $20 on a cheap Lexmark and consider it "disposable" before I'd spend the money on a lower end Epson, Minolta, Brother or Canon. You can get a cheap Lexmark for less than the cost of their ink cartridges! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 ...I stay away from Epsons and Cannons because the drivers always seem to be buggy ...they may be alright for everyday type work but when you do something a bit outside the norm they go bonkers ime ...HPs on the other hand just keep on chugging ...I use DJ890s on the desk and prefer LJ4s for heavy duty work ...they make the everyready rabbit look like a laggard :)))) William Hindman ipsedixitism: something is true because I myself have said it is true ...the philosophy of Noam Chomsky :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 29 21:18:49 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:18:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Errrr! Wrong Answer! Canon cartridges come one ink color / cartridge and cost (over the web at places like Inksell.com) $6 / cartridge or so. All the reviews consistently give Cannon one of the lowest c/page (at least for photos). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I would probably spend $20 on a cheap Lexmark and consider it "disposable" before I'd spend the money on a lower end Epson, Minolta, Brother or Canon. You can get a cheap Lexmark for less than the cost of their ink cartridges! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 ...I stay away from Epsons and Cannons because the drivers always seem to be buggy ...they may be alright for everyday type work but when you do something a bit outside the norm they go bonkers ime ...HPs on the other hand just keep on chugging ...I use DJ890s on the desk and prefer LJ4s for heavy duty work ...they make the everyready rabbit look like a laggard :)))) William Hindman ipsedixitism: something is true because I myself have said it is true ...the philosophy of Noam Chomsky :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Mar 29 23:02:59 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:02:59 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So whats the problem? 6x4=$24 Printer and ink for less than the ink. I'm was speaking in generalities and certainly would like to hear of any quality products at low prices. Do you have a Canon inkjet that you really like? Which model? How long have you had it? What was the original cost? Tell us your story! It was dark and misty night, I nearly ran into her as I walked into the corrider of the OfficeMax. It was love at first sight. No one seemed to know anything about her - where she came from what she did... We were hot and heavy for almost a year, Brother 7160 and I. She was a cheap date and I was even cheaper, cartridges only cost $7 a piece and I ran them till they were dry. She had a problem with the juice though and it soon became clear that I couldn't support it. I thought we had a good thing going but now that I think back on it we really didn't do much together... She dryed out and that made it worse. They wanted abundle to fix her head but I didn't owe her nothin' If anything she owed me. That affair lasted about a year before a nasty breakup. She was jealous and made it known. HP-1220 was on the scene and she couldn't stand seeing me glance at the perfect 11x17 duplex print jobs. She got out of hand and I had to dump her. She took the fall hard. She's in an alley somewhere now, probably a dumpster, worn out before her time... 1220 and I, well, we're still together after 4 years. Non-stop action... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Errrr! Wrong Answer! Canon cartridges come one ink color / cartridge and cost (over the web at places like Inksell.com) $6 / cartridge or so. All the reviews consistently give Cannon one of the lowest c/page (at least for photos). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I would probably spend $20 on a cheap Lexmark and consider it "disposable" before I'd spend the money on a lower end Epson, Minolta, Brother or Canon. You can get a cheap Lexmark for less than the cost of their ink cartridges! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 ...I stay away from Epsons and Cannons because the drivers always seem to be buggy ...they may be alright for everyday type work but when you do something a bit outside the norm they go bonkers ime ...HPs on the other hand just keep on chugging ...I use DJ890s on the desk and prefer LJ4s for heavy duty work ...they make the everyready rabbit look like a laggard :)))) William Hindman ipsedixitism: something is true because I myself have said it is true ...the philosophy of Noam Chomsky :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good > for several years. > > I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's > $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the > photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Kjos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > > > > Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > > devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > > cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year > and > > that printer continues to work beautifully. > > > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > > >issues > > >To: "dba-tech" > > >Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > > > > > >Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > list. > > > > > >I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't > > >has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > required. > > >So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the > > >one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not > > >'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > > > > > >The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS > an > > >elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I > will > > >withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > > >component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > > >(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > > > > >Best to all, > > > > > >Rocky Smolin > > >Beach Access Software > > >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >dba-Tech mailing list > > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Mar 29 23:52:30 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:52:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have two Canons, an s820 and a s630. I print most of my "black and white - documents / internet etc." on the 630 and my photos on the 820. The 630 we've had about 2 years I guess, the 820 about a year. I bought both to print pictures from my digital, the 630 does a good job but the 820 is just outstanding. The point of individual cartridges of course is you just replace a single color instead of the whole thing. When you're printing photos you go through ink and you go through different colors depending on what you are shooting. I shot a bunch of meadow / forest behind my house. Totally green. I buy ink and refill but Canon makes it dead easy with holes in the top of the cartridges. And of course I am looking for high quality / low cost. If you're just looking for the cheapest thing that can throw ink at paper that's another story. My sister-in-law bought an HP for her photos. It was cheap and the pictures were great but... in the end she couldn't afford the cartridges so she didn't print her pictures. Ended up buying a Canon and she's happily printing away. I have no idea what William was trying to do with them but I've had no driver problems with either of mine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 So whats the problem? 6x4=$24 Printer and ink for less than the ink. I'm was speaking in generalities and certainly would like to hear of any quality products at low prices. Do you have a Canon inkjet that you really like? Which model? How long have you had it? What was the original cost? Tell us your story! It was dark and misty night, I nearly ran into her as I walked into the corrider of the OfficeMax. It was love at first sight. No one seemed to know anything about her - where she came from what she did... We were hot and heavy for almost a year, Brother 7160 and I. She was a cheap date and I was even cheaper, cartridges only cost $7 a piece and I ran them till they were dry. She had a problem with the juice though and it soon became clear that I couldn't support it. I thought we had a good thing going but now that I think back on it we really didn't do much together... She dryed out and that made it worse. They wanted abundle to fix her head but I didn't owe her nothin' If anything she owed me. That affair lasted about a year before a nasty breakup. She was jealous and made it known. HP-1220 was on the scene and she couldn't stand seeing me glance at the perfect 11x17 duplex print jobs. She got out of hand and I had to dump her. She took the fall hard. She's in an alley somewhere now, probably a dumpster, worn out before her time... 1220 and I, well, we're still together after 4 years. Non-stop action... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Errrr! Wrong Answer! Canon cartridges come one ink color / cartridge and cost (over the web at places like Inksell.com) $6 / cartridge or so. All the reviews consistently give Cannon one of the lowest c/page (at least for photos). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I would probably spend $20 on a cheap Lexmark and consider it "disposable" before I'd spend the money on a lower end Epson, Minolta, Brother or Canon. You can get a cheap Lexmark for less than the cost of their ink cartridges! From john at winhaven.net Tue Mar 30 00:10:17 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:10:17 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good to know about the Canon 820. Cheap HP aren't usually very good deals. But the cartridges usually do cost more because they have the print head built in. Its my experience that in the sort term that's pricey luxury(especially with cheap printers)- in the long term its an advantage(especially with more the expensive inkjets). John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I have two Canons, an s820 and a s630. I print most of my "black and white - documents / internet etc." on the 630 and my photos on the 820. The 630 we've had about 2 years I guess, the 820 about a year. I bought both to print pictures from my digital, the 630 does a good job but the 820 is just outstanding. The point of individual cartridges of course is you just replace a single color instead of the whole thing. When you're printing photos you go through ink and you go through different colors depending on what you are shooting. I shot a bunch of meadow / forest behind my house. Totally green. I buy ink and refill but Canon makes it dead easy with holes in the top of the cartridges. And of course I am looking for high quality / low cost. If you're just looking for the cheapest thing that can throw ink at paper that's another story. My sister-in-law bought an HP for her photos. It was cheap and the pictures were great but... in the end she couldn't afford the cartridges so she didn't print her pictures. Ended up buying a Canon and she's happily printing away. I have no idea what William was trying to do with them but I've had no driver problems with either of mine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 So whats the problem? 6x4=$24 Printer and ink for less than the ink. I'm was speaking in generalities and certainly would like to hear of any quality products at low prices. Do you have a Canon inkjet that you really like? Which model? How long have you had it? What was the original cost? Tell us your story! It was dark and misty night, I nearly ran into her as I walked into the corrider of the OfficeMax. It was love at first sight. No one seemed to know anything about her - where she came from what she did... We were hot and heavy for almost a year, Brother 7160 and I. She was a cheap date and I was even cheaper, cartridges only cost $7 a piece and I ran them till they were dry. She had a problem with the juice though and it soon became clear that I couldn't support it. I thought we had a good thing going but now that I think back on it we really didn't do much together... She dryed out and that made it worse. They wanted abundle to fix her head but I didn't owe her nothin' If anything she owed me. That affair lasted about a year before a nasty breakup. She was jealous and made it known. HP-1220 was on the scene and she couldn't stand seeing me glance at the perfect 11x17 duplex print jobs. She got out of hand and I had to dump her. She took the fall hard. She's in an alley somewhere now, probably a dumpster, worn out before her time... 1220 and I, well, we're still together after 4 years. Non-stop action... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Errrr! Wrong Answer! Canon cartridges come one ink color / cartridge and cost (over the web at places like Inksell.com) $6 / cartridge or so. All the reviews consistently give Cannon one of the lowest c/page (at least for photos). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I would probably spend $20 on a cheap Lexmark and consider it "disposable" before I'd spend the money on a lower end Epson, Minolta, Brother or Canon. You can get a cheap Lexmark for less than the cost of their ink cartridges! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Mar 30 09:11:51 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:11:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <200403292118.i2TLIKGa027990@pimout3-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <40698E37.1040608@torchlake.com> Juan, I am so sorry to learn that Epsons are failing. Until now, I have strongly supported and recommended HP for laser printing and Epson for ink printing. Right now, my laser is HP 4050TN - handles my heavy duty class-prep work beautifully. My inkjet is Epson Stylus C82, which I love for my color printing - and I always buy the Epson Dura-Brite inks for it. I get great photo quality, and when I make posters that get rained on, they do not smear at all. So far, I have had zero difficulties with my C82. However, my sister is having difficulties with her Epson Color Stylus 600 - horizontal lines in the printout - using lots of ink in the head-cleaning. I suspect she is running into the very issues you mention. Thanks for the information, even though it isn't what I wanted to hera. Tina Juan Zavala wrote: >Rocky, > >You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing lots of >the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend 150-250 on an HP >or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. > > >Juan >Printer Repair Depot > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - >Beach Access Software >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > >Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real good >for several years. > >I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. It's >$100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user comment the >photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > >Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Kjos" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > >>http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html >> >>Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better >>devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of >>cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a year >> >> >and > > >>that printer continues to work beautifully. >> >>Gary Kjos >>garykjos at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >>>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >>>issues >>>To: "dba-tech" >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 >>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 >>> >>>Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this >>> >>> >list. > > >>>I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that >>> >>> >doesn't > > >>>has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is >>> >>> >required. > > >>>So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the >>>one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not >>>'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. >>> >>>The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS >>> >>> >an > > >>>elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I >>> >>> >will > > >>>withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which >>>component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? >>>(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) >>> >>>Best to all, >>> >>>Rocky Smolin >>>Beach Access Software >>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Tue Mar 30 11:08:55 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:08:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403301708.i2UH8nQi094804@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Funny story on the 5150'- they were pulled off rather quickly and they have started coming in for repair- under warranty and HP is exchanging the whole unit for a newer model at no cost, they have always sent refurbished replacements of the same printer. I do not know why they are doing the swap but it is strange. Juan Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 I've got a couple of 5150s out. It seems like HP cut the model off awful quick but I haven't had any issues yet. They have the ability to use different print cartridges for different quality jobs something the newer models also have. Can't make a recommendation one or the other at this point though. Maybe Juan could based on whether or not he has seen any come in yet. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Any opinions on the HP DJ5150? Or the HP Photosmart 7260? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > GREAT STORY! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. > They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and > one with a II -still humming along. > > I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never > "asks" my advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a > great piece of equipment he just got and for such a great price! > > Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had > problems and > kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He > is a good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, > every now > and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > John, > > We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" > :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if > you can > buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP > LaserJet 4, > 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! > 4+Inkjets- > The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the > 820 (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken > so I do not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the > newer laser printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a > chance to test the 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Hi Juan, > > I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are > problematic but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be > just HP) a problem > in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in > the shop? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the > shop with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, > there is a small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is > toast! Not worth fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the > tools anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > doesn't has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into > the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It > IS an elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable > society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Tue Mar 30 11:10:47 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:10:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <011c01c415f3$83ce2d20$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200403301710.i2UHAfTa037092@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> I have not seen may Photosmart 7260 in the shop but I am seeing the 5150's, see my earlier post. JZ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Any opinions on the HP DJ5150? Or the HP Photosmart 7260? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > GREAT STORY! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > I sold a slew of HP 820c printers to clients. I haven't had a single issue. > They were great! I have clients with HP LaserJet IIIs, 4s and 5s and one > with a II -still humming along. > > I have one client who thinks he know what he's doing so he never "asks" my > advice on what he should get he just calls and tells what a great piece of > equipment he just got and for such a great price! > > Latest was a Brother 1850? Laser printer. Within a year he had problems and > kept getting his white shirt full of toner. Support was awful too. He is a > good source for referrals so all I can do is keep quite. However, every now > and then I ask him how his HP LaserJet 5 was working :o) > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:39 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > John, > > We see all types of printers so I can not give you a list of "Most Wanted" > :). The best "work horse" printers are the older ones from HP and if you can > buy an used one it will last a long time. The ones I like are HP LaserJet 4, > 4+, 5 or the 5P or 6P. These printers just keep going and going! > 4+Inkjets- > The best ones are the older 855, 870, 890 Series from HP and even the 820 > (Windows Only) is good. I always see printers when they are broken so I do > not have a recommendation for newer inkjets from HP. On the newer laser > printers I would recommend the 1300. I have not had a chance to test the > 1010, 1012 or 1015 Series but they are USB only (Not 1015). > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Hi Juan, > > I know there are a couple of less expensive HP models that are problematic > but any of the more expensive models (doesn't have to be just HP) a problem > in your experience? Do you have a list of the printers you see most in the > shop? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Rocky > > I work on printers all day long and I have seen so many 3820s in the shop > with the same issue. The assembly where the carts go breaks, there is a > small plastic piece that breaks off and the printer is toast! Not worth > fixing. Hope this helps. > > > Juan > Printer Repair Depot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:12 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Maybe it needs new print heads? Has it got a diagnostics page in the tools > anywhere? Have a look in there, it should tell you. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 29 March 2004 06:12 > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this list. > > I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that doesn't > has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is required. > So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into the one > that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it is not 'seeing' > one (or more) of the cartridges. > > The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It IS an > elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society I will > withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which component > might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? (That's why > I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > > Best to all, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From juan at printerrepairdepot.com Tue Mar 30 11:11:50 2004 From: juan at printerrepairdepot.com (Juan Zavala) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:11:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <40698E37.1040608@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200403301711.i2UHBiTa083110@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> No problem and the Epson 600 the heads are failing. JZ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Juan, I am so sorry to learn that Epsons are failing. Until now, I have strongly supported and recommended HP for laser printing and Epson for ink printing. Right now, my laser is HP 4050TN - handles my heavy duty class-prep work beautifully. My inkjet is Epson Stylus C82, which I love for my color printing - and I always buy the Epson Dura-Brite inks for it. I get great photo quality, and when I make posters that get rained on, they do not smear at all. So far, I have had zero difficulties with my C82. However, my sister is having difficulties with her Epson Color Stylus 600 - horizontal lines in the printout - using lots of ink in the head-cleaning. I suspect she is running into the very issues you mention. Thanks for the information, even though it isn't what I wanted to hera. Tina Juan Zavala wrote: >Rocky, > >You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing >lots of the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend >150-250 on an HP or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. > > >Juan >Printer Repair Depot > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >Smolin - Beach Access Software >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > >Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real >good for several years. > >I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. >It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user >comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > >Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Kjos" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > >>http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html >> >>Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better >>devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of >>cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a >>year >> >> >and > > >>that printer continues to work beautifully. >> >>Gary Kjos >>garykjos at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >>>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >>>issues >>>To: "dba-tech" >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 >>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 >>> >>>Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this >>> >>> >list. > > >>>I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that >>> >>> >doesn't > > >>>has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is >>> >>> >required. > > >>>So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into >>>the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it >>>is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. >>> >>>The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It >>>IS >>> >>> >an > > >>>elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society >>>I >>> >>> >will > > >>>withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which >>>component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? >>>(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) >>> >>>Best to all, >>> >>>Rocky Smolin >>>Beach Access Software >>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Mar 30 12:09:41 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:09:41 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 In-Reply-To: <200403301711.i2UHBiTa083110@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Just went through that with a local church who had an Epson 600 "donated" to them along with two sets of ink catridges. For what it cost to repait the donated printer's print head they could buy a new printer. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Juan Zavala Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 No problem and the Epson 600 the heads are failing. JZ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 Juan, I am so sorry to learn that Epsons are failing. Until now, I have strongly supported and recommended HP for laser printing and Epson for ink printing. Right now, my laser is HP 4050TN - handles my heavy duty class-prep work beautifully. My inkjet is Epson Stylus C82, which I love for my color printing - and I always buy the Epson Dura-Brite inks for it. I get great photo quality, and when I make posters that get rained on, they do not smear at all. So far, I have had zero difficulties with my C82. However, my sister is having difficulties with her Epson Color Stylus 600 - horizontal lines in the printout - using lots of ink in the head-cleaning. I suspect she is running into the very issues you mention. Thanks for the information, even though it isn't what I wanted to hera. Tina Juan Zavala wrote: >Rocky, > >You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing >lots of the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend >150-250 on an HP or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will be better off. > > >Juan >Printer Repair Depot > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >Smolin - Beach Access Software >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > >Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real >good for several years. > >I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. >It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user >comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > >Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Kjos" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > >>http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html >> >>Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better >>devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of >>cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a >>year >> >> >and > > >>that printer continues to work beautifully. >> >>Gary Kjos >>garykjos at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" >>>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >>>issues >>>To: "dba-tech" >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 >>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 >>> >>>Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this >>> >>> >list. > > >>>I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that >>> >>> >doesn't > > >>>has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is >>> >>> >required. > > >>>So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into >>>the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it >>>is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. >>> >>>The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It >>>IS >>> >>> >an > > >>>elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society >>>I >>> >>> >will > > >>>withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which >>>component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? >>>(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) >>> >>>Best to all, >>> >>>Rocky Smolin >>>Beach Access Software >>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >>http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Mar 31 08:52:25 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:52:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 References: <200403301711.i2UHBiTa083110@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4172f$c81026e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Juan: Today's specials at Fry's: HP 5150 @ $99 Canon I455 @ $79. Any opinion? As an aside - we never print pictures. I always take a disk to the drug store ($.30-.50 for a 4x6 - can't beat it). Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Zavala" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > No problem and the Epson 600 the heads are failing. > > > JZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:12 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > Juan, > > I am so sorry to learn that Epsons are failing. Until now, I have strongly > supported and recommended HP for laser printing and Epson for ink printing. > Right now, my laser is HP 4050TN - handles my heavy duty class-prep work > beautifully. My inkjet is Epson Stylus C82, which I love for my color > printing - and I always buy the Epson Dura-Brite inks for it. I get great > photo quality, and when I make posters that get rained on, they do not smear > at all. So far, I have had zero difficulties with my C82. However, my > sister is having difficulties with her Epson Color Stylus 600 - horizontal > lines in the printout - using lots of ink in the head-cleaning. I suspect > she is running into the very issues you mention. Thanks for the > information, even though it isn't what I wanted to hera. > > Tina > > Juan Zavala wrote: > > >Rocky, > > > >You will have issues with print heads with the Epson's. I am seeing > >lots of the C80, 82 etc in the shop because of clogged heads. Spend > >150-250 on an HP or get a lower end laser printer- in the long run you will > be better off. > > > > > >Juan > >Printer Repair Depot > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > >Smolin - Beach Access Software > >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:37 AM > >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > >Looks like I'll have to start paying more for printers. :) > > > >Pundit's old Stylus Color 400 crapped out last week. But it ran real > >good for several years. > > > >I've pretty much settled on the Epson Stylus C84 as a replacement. > >It's $100 but the cartridges are cheap. According to the Cnet user > >comment the photo quality ain't great but we don't print photos. > > > >Rocky > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gary Kjos" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:16 AM > >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/11/10507.html > >> > >>Let it go. You are not alone. Evidently that is not one of HP's better > >>devices - perhaps it's a case of getting what you paid for? A set of > >>cartridges for my HP722 cost about $50 - but they last me almost a > >>year > >> > >> > >and > > > > > >>that printer continues to work beautifully. > >> > >>Gary Kjos > >>garykjos at hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > >>>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software > >>>issues > >>>To: "dba-tech" > >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] HP 3820 > >>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:11:49 -0800 > >>> > >>>Here's a question that's pretty far off the beaten path even for this > >>> > >>> > >list. > > > > > >>>I have two HP3820 printers. One works, one doesn't. The one that > >>> > >>> > >doesn't > > > > > >>>has a blinking light which indicates that a new ink cartridge is > >>> > >>> > >required. > > > > > >>>So I took the cartridges out of the one that works and put them into > >>>the one that doesn't, but the light still blinks. I believe that it > >>>is not 'seeing' one (or more) of the cartridges. > >>> > >>>The printer is too cheap to repair. But I hate to just toss it. It > >>>IS > >>> > >>> > >an > > > > > >>>elegant piece of hardware. (The rant against our disposable society > >>>I > >>> > >>> > >will > > > > > >>>withhold, here.) Maybe someone knows (or can speculate) on which > >>>component might be at fault. Maybe some ink got on a sensor? Who knows? > >>>(That's why I'm writing, of course. To find out who knows.) > >>> > >>>Best to all, > >>> > >>>Rocky Smolin > >>>Beach Access Software > >>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>dba-Tech mailing list > >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >>http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From shamil-users at mns.ru Wed Mar 31 14:11:31 2004 From: shamil-users at mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:11:31 +0400 Subject: OT: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API References: <003a01c3f855$e188bf90$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <004301c4175c$5d323ca0$0201a8c0@PARIS> Hi All, I just wanted to inform you that I didn't give up with the subj but I've no any time on that investigations now because I'm taking a major shift in my programming carrier - I'm taking now in the eveinings MCP, MCAD.NET, ... certification courses, I'm working during working day on C++, ATL/ATL OLE DB, MS SQL 2000, ... and therefore no free time on tricky VBA coding.... (well, I do use these days VBA code to generate C++ code (templates) and T-SQL stored procedures based on metadata stored in MS Access databases and MS Excel sheets - looks like a tricky solutions, isn't it? :)) ... as for the subj - I've here a template code to make it hopefully working on Win98 too but I can't predict when I will fnd free time to implement a deployable solution - within the next two-three months maybe after I will get MS certified... Sorry for any inconvenience, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "dba - Tech" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Drawing text/graphics on MS Access forms usingWin32API > Hi All, > > Since quoted here my posting several volunteers beta-testers helped me > to find and eliminate some problems with subject sample. Here are the > current results: > > Windiows 2000 (SP4) > ================ > A97 - OK > A2K - OK > AXP - OK > A2003 - OK > > Windows XP (SP1) > ============= > A97 - fail > A2K - OK > AXP - OK (developer, full, runtime) > A2003 - OK (professional) > > Windows95 > ======== > No info > > Win98 > ===== > A97 - No info > A2K - fail > AXP - No info > A2003 - No info > > Windows ME > ========== > No info > > Windows Server 2003 family > ==================== > No info > > If somebody wanted to help me with beta testing for positions marked > above as "No info" please e-mail me privately. > > Thanks for all your help and attention! > > Shamil > > P.S. All who particiapte in beta-testing - if you don't mind I will > mention you here in my future postings related to the subject and of > course later on my site when I will publish the final results in the > case the will be positive (they should be with such great your > support!) - I'm not sure I may mention you without your permission. > Please send me a short note that I can do that. > <<< tail skipped >>>