From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  2 15:17:16 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:17:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEAOHGAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <09cc01c43082$76866f20$6501a8c0@rock>

Plans have been set in motion to conquer and absorb you, but until then,
you may continue to believe that USA is a nation rather than a puppet. I
can't tell you about the schedule, though; if I did, I'd have to kill
you. I can tell you this: our vision includes software factories modeled
on the textile trades. You will be chained to your desk and paid as much
as garment sewers. (Hmmm, interesting homonym there :)

A.
"Did you ever wonder what they ship styrofoam chips in?"

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product


>B) the country dropdown contains only one country (USA), but the
state/province dropdown contains Canadian provinces.

uhhh... so your saying that Canada isn't part of the US?

;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product


MS and Component One are offering a free ASP.NET Resource Kit. See
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=aef6aa76-ab88-4
264-87b4-8e946ef584d7&DisplayLang=en. What's funny is the page you are
taken to next. It's a form which is:

A) quite ambiguous - should you fill it in if downloading? Or only if
ordering the CD?
B) the country dropdown contains only one country (USA), but the
state/province dropdown contains Canadian provinces.
C) I entered several valid postal codes, but on each received the error
message "not a valid zip code". Yet the label says "Zip/Postal Code".
D) Nothing happens when you click Submit.

Nice piece of work, guys and gals!

Arthur

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun May  2 21:11:55 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:11:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product
References: <09cc01c43082$76866f20$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <001401c430b4$01d26a30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

"You will be chained to your desk and paid as much as garment sewers."
Arthur

...when? ...when? ...I'm long overdue for a raise! :)

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product


> Plans have been set in motion to conquer and absorb you, but until then,
> you may continue to believe that USA is a nation rather than a puppet. I
> can't tell you about the schedule, though; if I did, I'd have to kill
> you. I can tell you this: our vision includes software factories modeled
> on the textile trades. You will be chained to your desk and paid as much
> as garment sewers. (Hmmm, interesting homonym there :)
>
> A.
> "Did you ever wonder what they ship styrofoam chips in?"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:46 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product
>
>
> >B) the country dropdown contains only one country (USA), but the
> state/province dropdown contains Canadian provinces.
>
> uhhh... so your saying that Canada isn't part of the US?
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:20 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product
>
>
> MS and Component One are offering a free ASP.NET Resource Kit. See
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=aef6aa76-ab88-4
> 264-87b4-8e946ef584d7&DisplayLang=en. What's funny is the page you are
> taken to next. It's a form which is:
>
> A) quite ambiguous - should you fill it in if downloading? Or only if
> ordering the CD?
> B) the country dropdown contains only one country (USA), but the
> state/province dropdown contains Canadian provinces.
> C) I entered several valid postal codes, but on each received the error
> message "not a valid zip code". Yet the label says "Zip/Postal Code".
> D) Nothing happens when you click Submit.
>
> Nice piece of work, guys and gals!
>
> Arthur
>
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>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed May  5 14:54:44 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:54:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
Message-ID: <40994684.8080206@verizon.net>

I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
(normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
information?

I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
links sites are all welcomed.

thanks,

-- 
-Francisco




From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed May  5 15:25:38 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:25:38 -0400 
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBBE0@nnse14.nns.com>

I'm in the same boat as you as far as experience with this matter, but, as a
wild guess, you might check the system temp folder for recent files of the
form: ~*.tmp.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:55 PM
To: hardware at hardwaregroup.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
Importance: High


I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
(normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
information?

I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
links sites are all welcomed.

thanks,

-- 
-Francisco


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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed May  5 15:38:35 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:38:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBBE0@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBBE0@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <409950CB.8020505@verizon.net>

I did a search and found a few .tmp files, but none could be read by 
word. :(


Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) said the following on 5/5/2004 1:25 PM:

>I'm in the same boat as you as far as experience with this matter, but, as a
>wild guess, you might check the system temp folder for recent files of the
>form: ~*.tmp.
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:55 PM
>To: hardware at hardwaregroup.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
>Importance: High
>
>
>I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
>working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
>(normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
>other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
>information?
>
>I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
>links sites are all welcomed.
>
>thanks,
>
>  
>


-- 
-Francisco




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May  5 16:19:09 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:19:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
References: <40994684.8080206@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <40995A4D.4070806@shaw.ca>

Word has NOT had an AutoSave function for a long time.
See this site for tips.

http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

Enter the name of the file, with the extension "BAK". It maybe there.
or there maybe an AutoRecover Save.asd file

Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
> working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
> (normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
> other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
> information?
>
> I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
> links sites are all welcomed.
>
> thanks,
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed May  5 17:35:50 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:35:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
In-Reply-To: <40995A4D.4070806@shaw.ca>
References: <40994684.8080206@verizon.net> <40995A4D.4070806@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <40996C46.9010909@verizon.net>

Thanks,
  Unfortunatly for my co-worker he never once clicked save once... and 
thus his lesson is gonna be learned HARD and HARD.  This is one of those 
lessons' that once it's happend to you, you tend to become extremly anal 
about saving and having backups.

in word (according to the help) if you hit save at least once you invoke 
auto-save. wich will create an .asd file in the application data\word 
directory and allow you to auto-retreive the file should for whatever 
reason have a crash.  I don't know what happens when a person purposely 
hits "NO" in the "do you want to save" prompt.

:| oh well ...

MartyConnelly said the following on 5/5/2004 2:19 PM:

> Word has NOT had an AutoSave function for a long time.
> See this site for tips.
>
> http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.
>
> Enter the name of the file, with the extension "BAK". It maybe there.
> or there maybe an AutoRecover Save.asd file
>
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>
>> I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
>> working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
>> (normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
>> other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
>> information?
>>
>> I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
>> links sites are all welcomed.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>


-- 
-Francisco




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu May  6 06:26:25 2004
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:26:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
References: <40994684.8080206@verizon.net> <40995A4D.4070806@shaw.ca>
	<40996C46.9010909@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <409A20E1.8040402@torchlake.com>

When one chooses "no" Word deletes the temporary file it created for the 
working document.  The presumption is that if you say "no" you mean 
"no."  Too bad it wasn't just a sudden power out, because then Word 
would have announced the "recovered" document upon next launch.
Tina

Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> Thanks,
>  Unfortunatly for my co-worker he never once clicked save once... and 
> thus his lesson is gonna be learned HARD and HARD.  This is one of 
> those lessons' that once it's happend to you, you tend to become 
> extremly anal about saving and having backups.
>
> in word (according to the help) if you hit save at least once you 
> invoke auto-save. wich will create an .asd file in the application 
> data\word directory and allow you to auto-retreive the file should for 
> whatever reason have a crash.  I don't know what happens when a person 
> purposely hits "NO" in the "do you want to save" prompt.
>
> :| oh well ...
>
> MartyConnelly said the following on 5/5/2004 2:19 PM:
>
>> Word has NOT had an AutoSave function for a long time.
>> See this site for tips.
>>
>> http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.
>>
>> Enter the name of the file, with the extension "BAK". It maybe there.
>> or there maybe an AutoRecover Save.asd file
>>
>> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>>
>>> I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
>>> working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
>>> (normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down 
>>> many other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this 
>>> "lost" information?
>>>
>>> I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. 
>>> tips, links sites are all welcomed.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>
>
>




From KP at SDSOnline.net  Wed May  5 18:18:38 2004
From: KP at SDSOnline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:18:38 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents
References: <40994684.8080206@verizon.net> <40995A4D.4070806@shaw.ca>
	<40996C46.9010909@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001801c432f7$4cceaae0$6501a8c0@user>

Francisco - many moons ago there was a function in Word to put the text the user was working on (ie. in RAM) in a document called .asd (where asd = auto save document).

I have no idea whether this still is the case but it would be worth searching for any files with an extension of .asd.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco H Tapia 
  To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
  Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WORD:Retreiving lost documents


  Thanks,
    Unfortunatly for my co-worker he never once clicked save once... and 
  thus his lesson is gonna be learned HARD and HARD.  This is one of those 
  lessons' that once it's happend to you, you tend to become extremly anal 
  about saving and having backups.

  in word (according to the help) if you hit save at least once you invoke 
  auto-save. wich will create an .asd file in the application data\word 
  directory and allow you to auto-retreive the file should for whatever 
  reason have a crash.  I don't know what happens when a person purposely 
  hits "NO" in the "do you want to save" prompt.

  :| oh well ...

  MartyConnelly said the following on 5/5/2004 2:19 PM:

  > Word has NOT had an AutoSave function for a long time.
  > See this site for tips.
  >
  > http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.
  >
  > Enter the name of the file, with the extension "BAK". It maybe there.
  > or there maybe an AutoRecover Save.asd file
  >
  > Francisco H Tapia wrote:
  >
  >> I'm far from being an "AVID" word user.  but a co-worker here was 
  >> working on a document for over 3hrs and closed his application down 
  >> (normally) and somehow he didn't hit save, possibly closing down many 
  >> other documents at at time.  Is there anyway to revive this "lost" 
  >> information?
  >>
  >> I know the lesson here, but ... :| it won't help my friend out. tips, 
  >> links sites are all welcomed.
  >>
  >> thanks,
  >>
  >


  -- 
  -Francisco


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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  7 22:43:26 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 23:43:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
In-Reply-To: <001801c432f7$4cceaae0$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <034701c434ae$9f193640$6401a8c0@rock>

Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my specific
case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5 drives?

If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data to
each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given drive
goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace said
drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?

Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal SQL
installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another, with
(if possible) SQL itself on a third drive. 

Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am I
actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?

Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
stupid people :)

Arthur



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  7 23:54:15 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 00:54:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
References: <034701c434ae$9f193640$6401a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <009401c434b8$83870fb0$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...this can be an incredibly involved question ...basically I'd assume
you're looking at two partitions on a five disk raid array ...but assume is
the key word ...and renders the assumption meaningless since you have to
know for certain :(

...start here http://www.sql-server-performance.com/rc_hardware_planning.asp

...then come back and ask your questions with a bit more input for the
stupid among us :)

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


> Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my specific
> case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
> Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
> hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5 drives?
>
> If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
> ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data to
> each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given drive
> goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace said
> drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?
>
> Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal SQL
> installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another, with
> (if possible) SQL itself on a third drive.
>
> Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
> this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
> that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am I
> actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
> along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?
>
> Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
> stupid people :)
>
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat May  8 03:10:06 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:10:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD851@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You should also find out if you have a hardware or software raid.
Hardware is with a SCSI RAID controller card like Adaptec or others.
Software is with the windows OS (= slower).
I supose your still using WNT4? (because your server is old...)
When using a Software RAID you should see all your fysical drives in
WINDISK (diskmanager) and how they are put in RAID.
For example, you could have two disks in RAID 1 for performance reasons,
and three disks in RAID 5 for capacity reasons...
In W2K you can find the disk management in "System Management".

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:54 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives

...this can be an incredibly involved question ...basically I'd assume
you're looking at two partitions on a five disk raid array ...but assume
is the key word ...and renders the assumption meaningless since you have
to know for certain :(

...start here
http://www.sql-server-performance.com/rc_hardware_planning.asp

...then come back and ask your questions with a bit more input for the
stupid among us :)

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


> Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my
specific
> case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
> Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
> hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5
drives?
>
> If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
> ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data
to
> each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given
drive
> goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace
said
> drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?
>
> Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal
SQL
> installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another,
with
> (if possible) SQL itself on a third drive.
>
> Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
> this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
> that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am
I
> actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
> along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?
>
> Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
> stupid people :)
>
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  8 09:24:20 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:24:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product
In-Reply-To: <001401c430b4$01d26a30$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <03c701c43508$26df5ec0$6401a8c0@rock>

You social climber! :)

A.
"You thought these pictures were bad. Wait until next week." Donald
Rumsfeld

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How Not to Instill Confidence in Your Product


"You will be chained to your desk and paid as much as garment sewers."
Arthur

...when? ...when? ...I'm long overdue for a raise! :)

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos




From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  8 09:27:28 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:27:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD851@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <03c801c43508$97226240$6401a8c0@rock>

It's an old Compaq Proliant with twin 400 Mz CPUs and a hardware RAID,
running Win2K Advanced Server to take advantage of the twin CPUs.

I suppose I should just get off my ass and go down to the basement and
monkey around to see what's what.

Thanks,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 4:10 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


You should also find out if you have a hardware or software raid.
Hardware is with a SCSI RAID controller card like Adaptec or others.
Software is with the windows OS (= slower). I supose your still using
WNT4? (because your server is old...) When using a Software RAID you
should see all your fysical drives in WINDISK (diskmanager) and how they
are put in RAID. For example, you could have two disks in RAID 1 for
performance reasons, and three disks in RAID 5 for capacity reasons...
In W2K you can find the disk management in "System Management".

Erwin



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat May  8 16:12:50 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:12:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD859@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Or there is a raid manager in your windows or there is a way to get in
the controller menu while booting.
(Like the press CTRL+A for an adaptec SCSI controller)/

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 4:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives

It's an old Compaq Proliant with twin 400 Mz CPUs and a hardware RAID,
running Win2K Advanced Server to take advantage of the twin CPUs.

I suppose I should just get off my ass and go down to the basement and
monkey around to see what's what.

Thanks,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 4:10 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


You should also find out if you have a hardware or software raid.
Hardware is with a SCSI RAID controller card like Adaptec or others.
Software is with the windows OS (= slower). I supose your still using
WNT4? (because your server is old...) When using a Software RAID you
should see all your fysical drives in WINDISK (diskmanager) and how they
are put in RAID. For example, you could have two disks in RAID 1 for
performance reasons, and three disks in RAID 5 for capacity reasons...
In W2K you can find the disk management in "System Management".

Erwin

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue May 11 09:18:26 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:18:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Office Max
	- YMMV
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3082F0C9@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB4E3@ADGSERVER>

Hey all,

I heard on Fatwallet.com yesterday about Office Max having the APC Back-UPS
XS 1000VA (600 watts) for the $30!  These normally go for $129.  There is
$99 instant rebate/discount.

I stopped by a local OM after work and the tag on the shelf did say $30, but
they were sold out.  So I went to another OM and they had one, but the shelf
price either had $99 or $129, I can't remember.  Anyway, I asked the manager
about the price and he looked it up on a piece of paper he had and sure
enough, $30!  So I got the last one that they had.

I doubt OM has any stores outside of the US, so sorry to the non-US listers.
But if you are in the US, I'd hurry to your local OM to see if they have
one.  I would not call and ask about the price because if the employees did
not know about the deal, they may tell you they have none and buy them
themselves.  Although you might call to see if they have any and to hold one
for you.

Good luck!
Bobby



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue May 11 10:07:22 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:07:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Offic
	e Max - YMMV
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBC0E@nnse14.nns.com>

That IS a good deal compared to the one I got;)  I had an opportunity to bid
on some items from a company that was undergoing liquidation.  I picked up
an APC Smart-UPS 3000 for $75 (they retail around $1000
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7ampo313-smart-ups-3000-apc-su3000tnet-shoppin
g.htm).  Now if someone can point me in the direction of a cheap
"reconditioner", I'll be able to utilize this 142.00 lbs. ( 64.55 kg )
paperweight;)



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Office Max
- YMMV


Hey all,

I heard on Fatwallet.com yesterday about Office Max having the APC Back-UPS
XS 1000VA (600 watts) for the $30!  These normally go for $129.  There is
$99 instant rebate/discount.

I stopped by a local OM after work and the tag on the shelf did say $30, but
they were sold out.  So I went to another OM and they had one, but the shelf
price either had $99 or $129, I can't remember.  Anyway, I asked the manager
about the price and he looked it up on a piece of paper he had and sure
enough, $30!  So I got the last one that they had.

I doubt OM has any stores outside of the US, so sorry to the non-US listers.
But if you are in the US, I'd hurry to your local OM to see if they have
one.  I would not call and ask about the price because if the employees did
not know about the deal, they may tell you they have none and buy them
themselves.  Although you might call to see if they have any and to hold one
for you.

Good luck!
Bobby

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue May 11 10:21:50 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:21:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Office
	Max - YMMV
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3087C45C@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB4E5@ADGSERVER>

Wow, that's a cool UPS.  I don't know if you'll be able to recondition the
batteries.  Might just have to purchase new ones.  Or, you may be able to
take advantage of the trade-in policy that they have (or used to have).

Here's what the one from OM looks like.
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm.This is displaying
the RS model, but it looks just like the XS model.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Office
Max - YMMV


That IS a good deal compared to the one I got;)  I had an opportunity to bid
on some items from a company that was undergoing liquidation.  I picked up
an APC Smart-UPS 3000 for $75 (they retail around $1000
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7ampo313-smart-ups-3000-apc-su3000tnet-shoppin
g.htm).  Now if someone can point me in the direction of a cheap
"reconditioner", I'll be able to utilize this 142.00 lbs. ( 64.55 kg )
paperweight;)



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heads up! Great deal on an APC 1000VA UPS at Office Max
- YMMV


Hey all,

I heard on Fatwallet.com yesterday about Office Max having the APC Back-UPS
XS 1000VA (600 watts) for the $30!  These normally go for $129.  There is
$99 instant rebate/discount.

I stopped by a local OM after work and the tag on the shelf did say $30, but
they were sold out.  So I went to another OM and they had one, but the shelf
price either had $99 or $129, I can't remember.  Anyway, I asked the manager
about the price and he looked it up on a piece of paper he had and sure
enough, $30!  So I got the last one that they had.

I doubt OM has any stores outside of the US, so sorry to the non-US listers.
But if you are in the US, I'd hurry to your local OM to see if they have
one.  I would not call and ask about the price because if the employees did
not know about the deal, they may tell you they have none and buy them
themselves.  Although you might call to see if they have any and to hold one
for you.

Good luck!
Bobby

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 14 10:23:10 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:23:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB4E5@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <001401c439c7$5dd2d5b0$6601a8c0@rock>

I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.

Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)

Arthur



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 14 10:26:56 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:26:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
References: <001401c439c7$5dd2d5b0$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <002701c439c7$e4533530$9111758f@aine>

first laugh today!!


Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 14 11:36:15 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:36:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <20040514153612.CBED724E0BA@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Yea it's a bit laborious isn't it. I thought there might be a market for my
son to make a few ??? charging people to do this, but then reckoned that
with what he'd have to charge to make it worth his while it'd be cheaper for
peopel to buy the CD version.

BTW Arthur what software did you use, and was it successful in separating
tracks?
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Date: 14/05/04 15:27

>
> first laugh today!!
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: &quot;Arthur Fuller&quot; &lt;artful at rogers.com&gt;
> To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot;
> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:23 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> &gt; I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I
can
> &gt; now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> &gt; ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> &gt; the refridgerator to make it work again (&quot;it's not the punch,
it's
> &gt; knowing where to punch&quot;). I simply didn't believe it could be
this easy.
> &gt;
> &gt; Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all
of
> &gt; them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps
:)
> &gt; Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> &gt; illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
> &gt;
> &gt; Arthur
> &gt;
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May 14 10:38:26 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:38:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <BAY2-F169VXYuIquXbf00016728@hotmail.com>

Could you give us an outline of the hardware, process steps and software 
used Arthur?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues'"<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:23:10 -0400
>
>I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
>now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
>ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
>the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
>knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
>Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
>them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
>Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
>illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
>Arthur
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May 14 10:44:07 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:44:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <BAY2-F99nOnaSDFYNEg0001667b@hotmail.com>

A large number of my personal vinyl records are NOT AVAILABLE on CD. And 
some that were once available are no longer available. One in particular 
that comes to mind sells in CD form for around $60 (US$) used.

I need to do this to a few of them while my turntable still works ;-)

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

>>>>>Yea it's a bit laborious isn't it. I thought there might be a market 
>>>>>for my
>son to make a few ??? charging people to do this, but then reckoned that
>with what he'd have to charge to make it worth his while it'd be cheaper 
>for
>peopel to buy the CD version.
>
>BTW Arthur what software did you use, and was it successful in separating
>tracks?
>--
>Andy Lacey
><<<<<




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 14 11:57:03 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:57:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <20040514155701.9734D253FD4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hey, maybe there IS money in this after all :-)

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Date: 14/05/04 15:44

>
> A large number of my personal vinyl records are NOT AVAILABLE on CD. And
> some that were once available are no longer available. One in particular
> that comes to mind sells in CD form for around $60 (US$) used.
>
> I need to do this to a few of them while my turntable still works ;-)
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yea it's a bit laborious isn't it. I thought there
might be a market
> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;for my
> &gt;son to make a few ??? charging people to do this, but then reckoned
that
> &gt;with what he'd have to charge to make it worth his while it'd be
cheaper
> &gt;for
> &gt;peopel to buy the CD version.
> &gt;
> &gt;BTW Arthur what software did you use, and was it successful in
separating
> &gt;tracks?
> &gt;--
> &gt;Andy Lacey
> &gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
>
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May 14 11:47:20 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:47:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3087CBE0@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB50B@ADGSERVER>

Yes, please let us know how and with what you did this.  I have about 200
albums that I'd like to do this to.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can now
burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be ludicrousy
easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator
to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to punch"). I
simply didn't believe it could be this easy.

Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of them
in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got
any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant
at a dollar a day :)

Arthur

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri May 14 14:26:30 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:26:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB50B@ADGSERVER>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB50B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <40A51D66.4070907@verizon.net>

I dont' have any LP's... what the heck are those?... ;op.  Sounds like 
some kinda vd. ;o)

but a senior citizen I know was told me that many turntables would sport 
a line out, and as long as you have a pre-amplifier or mixer, you could 
just feed the lineout from the pre-amp/mixer to your line-in on your 
soundcard, you'll probably need a rca/phono jack to 1/8th mini stereo 
adapter jack.

For editing or cleaning up your audio, check out Cool Edit Pro or PCDJ 
to help
http://www.visiosonic.com/Download.asp?transaction_type=3000



Bobby Heid wrote On 5/14/2004 9:47 AM:

>Yes, please let us know how and with what you did this.  I have about 200
>albums that I'd like to do this to.
>
>Thanks,
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:23 AM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
>I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can now
>burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be ludicrousy
>easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator
>to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to punch"). I
>simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
>Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of them
>in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got
>any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant
>at a dollar a day :)
>
>Arthur
>  
>


-- 
-Francisco




From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri May 14 14:46:49 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:46:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBC26@nnse14.nns.com>

FYI...if you are still looking for info.  MaximumPC just did an article on
RAID setups and reported that the optimal RAID consisted of 3 drives.  Any
more than that and you are surpassing the bandwidth capabilities of the PCI
bus.  As a fourth drive is added you actually lose performance due to
overhead.  Granted, these tests were done on the newest hardware available
so YMMV.  Perhaps if you are using 5 slower 5400 RPM drives it isn't an
issue.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my specific
case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5 drives?

If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data to
each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given drive
goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace said
drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?

Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal SQL
installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another, with
(if possible) SQL itself on a third drive. 

Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am I
actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?

Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
stupid people :)

Arthur

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Fri May 14 19:30:48 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:30:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <001401c439c7$5dd2d5b0$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEMLDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's sound
card.  They make software packages that will record the input or output of
your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you found a 'simple'
solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the process of
recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why not record them
to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several freedoms.  One, most
turntables allow you to put multiple records on them, and when the one
playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives you a 'cycle' to allow you
to run several at a time, without 'monitoring' it and without swapping
CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if you are recording them to MP3's, you have
a few advantages.  First, in CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per
CD.  Maybe two, and maybe less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be
wasting space on CD's.  Not too mention that CD's take up room too.
However, a CD ripped to MP3 format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song.
Even if you are averaging high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say
15 songs a pop, you are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be
~75 gigs per 1,000 LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is
a high estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I would
hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200 gigs.
Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90 minutes an LP,
so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to 75 megs a pop.

Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive for
$149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're talking
$870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though
not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player (cd
version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.  Going the direct CD
route is going to cost you at least 4 times as much.

On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything into MP3
format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.  Want to
make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy it over.  One
big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.

I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle isn't
going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the 'information
recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet CDDB's, based on their
individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is nothing available to
automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.  Their may be databases
out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you could have Access
automatically rename the MP3 files into their appropriate album and song
names (of course, you'll also have to find something to 'split' the LP MP3's
into individual songs, honestly, that actually wouldn't be too difficult,
you could probably make you're own 'splitter' in VB, though they probably
have something like that available.)

Drew

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.

Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)

Arthur

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 14 23:43:50 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:43:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEIHFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard drive bit the
dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying around and a 160g
drive.  I had intended to just replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered
that Win2K doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3 or
better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the old 40g to get
Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed this week.  In
both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply aren't the end
all and be all in a case like this because of all the programs and
individualized settings for each program - the registry etc.

What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was roughly 2-3
days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of Raid 1.  I have
decided not to go through that again.  I am now researching a Raid 1
solution (simple mirror) using a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me
40g for the system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev
etc.

My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) is a Highpoint
RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up before the weekend I went down to
Staples and plunked down the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard
disk.  My intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the raid
controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set up the mirror.  I
have a couple of questions though for anyone who may have experience in
this.

1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed Win2K Pro, Office
and other programs.  Once I get the controller, can I just unplug this disk
from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching
drive in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new drive
gets the exact same partitions (there are three of them) created, files
written, and I'm up and running mirrored?

2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?

3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work - I am not a
(trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.

The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my installed software
and development stuff never again die because a disk dies.  I have found and
read a bunch of articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed
information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and specifically with
this controller.  I assume the documentation with the controller will tell
me most of what I need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.

Any comments or suggestions appreciated.

John W. Colby




From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sat May 15 02:23:22 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:23:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEIHFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEENEDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I really lik software raids.
Unfortunately, Win2k Pro doesn't offer a mirror.  You have to have Server to
Mirror a drive in W2k.  However, when you mirror a drive, you don't need to
install anything.

On other peice of advice.  40 gig's is WAY too big for a root drive.  I
highly recommend sticking to 8 gigs or less.  I personally install stuff
like the MSDN, which takes up a lot of space, so I create a larger P:
('Programs') partition, and install software to that.  Mirror them both, and
it doesn't matter if you lose a drive or not.

There is a lot of reasoning behind a smaller root drive, but one of the best
I can offer at this point in time (had a little to drink tonight....<grin>),
is that with a smaller partition, you have a small 'fat' table, even though
you should be using NTFS, it still creates a fat table of sorts.  Just like
any database, the smaller it is, the faster it is.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K


Folks,

About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard drive bit the
dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying around and a 160g
drive.  I had intended to just replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered
that Win2K doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3 or
better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the old 40g to get
Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed this week.  In
both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply aren't the end
all and be all in a case like this because of all the programs and
individualized settings for each program - the registry etc.

What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was roughly 2-3
days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of Raid 1.  I have
decided not to go through that again.  I am now researching a Raid 1
solution (simple mirror) using a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me
40g for the system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev
etc.

My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) is a Highpoint
RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up before the weekend I went down to
Staples and plunked down the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard
disk.  My intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the raid
controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set up the mirror.  I
have a couple of questions though for anyone who may have experience in
this.

1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed Win2K Pro, Office
and other programs.  Once I get the controller, can I just unplug this disk
from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching
drive in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new drive
gets the exact same partitions (there are three of them) created, files
written, and I'm up and running mirrored?

2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?

3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work - I am not a
(trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.

The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my installed software
and development stuff never again die because a disk dies.  I have found and
read a bunch of articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed
information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and specifically with
this controller.  I assume the documentation with the controller will tell
me most of what I need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.

Any comments or suggestions appreciated.

John W. Colby


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat May 15 05:30:47 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:30:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEMLDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <001101c43a67$af6f5c90$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Good points Drew but a couple of provisos.

1.If you want to play through your home hi-fi or car CD player you can't use
MP3 format unless you've bought specialised equipment for the job. Fine if
you have or going to get an MP3 player but limited where you can use the
CD's.

2.I would never use any stacking system for vinyl. Fast way to wreck your
original albums. Modern decks often don't even have the 'feature'.

3.I do always record to PC then burn to CD. Speed of doing that is no
problem. I've used the Spin Doctor element of Easy CD Creator Platinum. The
slowest bit though is that it is not effective, however you play with its
settings, at spotting the silence between tracks. What you end up with is 2
WAV's - Side 1 and Side 2. Unless you're happy with that on your CD (means
no ability to select or skip to individual tracks) you then need to use a
sound editing program like Goldwave to split it. Good as Goldwave is it
still takes a fair bit of time to identify the inter-track spaces. So if
anyone uses other software to do the recording which DOES split tracks well
then I'd love to know.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 15 May 2004 01:31
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
> 
> 
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your 
> computer's sound card.  They make software packages that will 
> record the input or output of your soundcard into any format 
> that you want.  Since you found a 'simple' solution for 
> actually recording them, why not simplify the process of 
> recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why 
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you 
> several freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put 
> multiple records on them, and when the one playing is done, 
> it drops the next.  That gives you a 'cycle' to allow you to 
> run several at a time, without 'monitoring' it and without 
> swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if you are recording 
> them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in CD 
> format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, 
> and maybe less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be 
> wasting space on CD's.  Not too mention that CD's take up 
> room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3 format is going to run 
> 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging high, that 
> would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you 
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 
> gigs per 1,000 LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 
> gigs. This is a high estimate too, I just looked at the 
> folder I just ripped my Queen's greatest Hits CD too, and it 
> has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I would hazard a guess 
> that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200 gigs. 
> Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90 
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably 
> closer to 75 megs a pop.
> 
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 
> gig drive for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to 
> get 3000 CD's, you're talking $870.  Instead, get a large 
> hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though not all CD 
> players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player 
> (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.  
> Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 
> times as much.
> 
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting 
> everything into MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have 
> a single backup source.  Want to make it 'safe' for 
> posterity, just buy another drive, and copy it over.  One big 
> transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
> 
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest 
> obstacle isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going 
> to be the 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded 
> on internet CDDB's, based on their individual ID's.  LP's 
> don't have that, so there is nothing available to 
> automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.  Their may 
> be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you 
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into 
> their appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll 
> also have to find something to 'split' the LP MP3's into 
> individual songs, honestly, that actually wouldn't be too 
> difficult, you could probably make you're own 'splitter' in 
> VB, though they probably have something like that available.)
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
> 
> 
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this 
> problem. I can now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! 
> It turned out to be ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old 
> joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator to make it 
> work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to 
> punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
> 
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, 
> virtually all of them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An 
> Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got any ideas how I can 
> automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant at a 
> dollar a day :)
> 
> Arthur
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 15 07:28:56 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:28:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEMLDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c43a78$30e7f150$6601a8c0@rock>

>> Why not record them as MP3s?

Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if not
genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.

Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or Indian-classical.
I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the symphonies,
the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
just don't cut it.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you found
a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and maybe
less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3
format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per 1,000
LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200
gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
75 megs a pop.

Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you
buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times as
much.

On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything into
MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.

I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet CDDB's,
based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.
Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly, that
actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
available.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.

Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)

Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 15 07:36:40 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:36:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <20040514153612.CBED724E0BA@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00c901c43a79$45afa7d0$6601a8c0@rock>

How to do it:

1. Get a cable with two standard RCA jacks on one end and one little
jack (I forget what they're called, but I mean the jack that fits into
Line-In on your sound card). The way my room is laid out, the sound
system is on the opposite side of the room from the computer, so I
needed a 20 foot cable. Depending on the type of amp you have, you may
have AUX out female jacks or not. If not, you can use Tape Out.

2. Download Audacity, which is free, or if you're serious, spend the
money and get SoundForge 6.0.

3. Play anything (even the radio) on the sound system to ensure that the
Out is hitting your sound card.

4. Fire up Audacity or SoundForge to ensure that you can capture said
input.

5. Done.

Like I said, brain-dead simple. I thought it would be more complex, and
require a pre-amp and/or additional hardware. But my ancient Bose amp
(circa 1969, with actual tubes!) works just fine.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 12:36 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


Yea it's a bit laborious isn't it. I thought there might be a market for
my son to make a few ??? charging people to do this, but then reckoned
that with what he'd have to charge to make it worth his while it'd be
cheaper for peopel to buy the CD version.

BTW Arthur what software did you use, and was it successful in
separating tracks?
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Date: 14/05/04 15:27

>
> first laugh today!!
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: &quot;Arthur Fuller&quot; &lt;artful at rogers.com&gt;
> To: &quot;'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'&quot; 
> &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:23 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> &gt; I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this 
> problem. I
can
> &gt; now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be 
> &gt; ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who 
> punches &gt; the refridgerator to make it work again (&quot;it's not 
> the punch,
it's
> &gt; knowing where to punch&quot;). I simply didn't believe it could 
> be
this easy.
> &gt;
> &gt; Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually 
> all
of
> &gt; them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable 
> helps
:)
> &gt; Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps

> an &gt; illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :) &gt;
> &gt; Arthur
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat May 15 09:20:07 2004
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:20:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K
In-Reply-To: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEOEHFCFAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <001501c43a87$b9131cd0$3500a8c0@dabsight>

(was [AccessD])

All the Win2K documentation I can find says that a software mirror (RAID 1)
can be ONLY on Win2K Server, not Win2K Pro.  A possible area of confusion is
that you can apparently use Win2k Pro to create a mirror on a Server, so I
guess the administrative software is on both but the functional code only on
the Server.

With WinXP Pro you can do it, however.

Copying files on NT4?  Is (was) this a supported facility?  Sure, it might
work, but would I trust valuable data to it?  Doubtful.  Irrelevant now,
anyway.

HTH
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it 
> appears to have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to 
> copy files from server to get the RAID 1 configurability in 
> NT 4 Workstation.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that you 
> can put both drives on one cable but I also think that the 
> controller has a channel per connector, which is almost as 
> good as having two controllers for duplexing in case a 
> controller flakes.
> 
> I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be sure 
> about the  two drives on a cable, but like I said I think 
> that you gain a channel by using both connectors, and thats 
> just like adding a pair of suspenders along with a belt to 
> insure that your pants stay up.
> 
> This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just 
> absolutely can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of 
> motherboards are shipping with RAID controllers on board. I 
> read somewhere, maybe on winternals.com that you can use the 
> software RAID functionality of Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> This brings up another question, do you place both mirror 
> drives on the same IDE cable?  If you can choose, is there 
> any advantage to giving each drive it's own IDE cable 
> (simultaneous operations and the like)?.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID 
> controller, all that you have to do is load the drivers with 
> the first drive still connected to the original controller, 
> and then reboot. At the reboot, power down the system move 
> the controller cable to the RAID controller and plug the new 
> drive in also. Just make sure you know which connector is 
> which. When the system reboots, the RAID utility runs and 
> allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make sure that the 
> RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because 
> performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an 
> explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring.
> 
> You might want to check out some other vendor than Newegg, 
> because they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they 
> did in Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced 
> me to switch back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat 
> $6.95 for up to 150 lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
> To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard 
> drive bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I 
> had laying around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just 
> replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K 
> doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3 
> or better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the 
> old 40g to get
> Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed 
> this week.  In
> both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply 
> aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of 
> all the programs and individualized settings for each program 
> - the registry etc.
> 
> What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity 
> was roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta 
> cost of Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again. 
>  I am now researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using 
> a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the 
> system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> 
> My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) 
> is a Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up 
> before the weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down 
> the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My 
> intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the 
> raid controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set 
> up the mirror.  I have a couple of questions though for 
> anyone who may have experience in this.
> 
> 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed 
> Win2K Pro, Office and other programs.  Once I get the 
> controller, can I just unplug this disk from my motherboard, 
> plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching drive 
> in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new 
> drive gets the exact same partitions (there are three of 
> them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> 
> 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> 
> 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work 
> - I am not a
> (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> 
> The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my 
> installed software and development stuff never again die 
> because a disk dies.  I have found and read a bunch of 
> articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed 
> information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and 
> specifically with this controller.  I assume the 
> documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I 
> need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> 
> Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> 
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat May 15 09:51:29 2004
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:51:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEIHFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001601c43a8c$1b33ab60$3500a8c0@dabsight>

My sympathies, John.  I was at risk of a similar situation (story too long),
and decided to go RAID1 while I still had time.

I approached the issue from much the same standpoint as you - apprehensive
ignorance!  Running WinXP Pro, I had the choice between software and
hardware RAID; I chose hardware, wanting to save CPU time and also trusting
Adaptec's technology in this area above Microsoft's.  I bought an
appropriate Adaptec card and followed the instructions.  They seemed to
cover all the eventualities, my confidence returned and the rest was a
breeze.  Can't remember the details now, but I was using SATA, so they
wouldn't be strictly relevant.

I know nothing of Highpoint RocketRaid, so can't help there.

HTH
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: 15 May 2004 05:44
> To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard 
> drive bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I 
> had laying around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just 
> replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K 
> doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3 
> or better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the 
> old 40g to get
> Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed 
> this week.  In
> both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply 
> aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of 
> all the programs and individualized settings for each program 
> - the registry etc.
> 
> What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity 
> was roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta 
> cost of Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again. 
>  I am now researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using 
> a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the 
> system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> 
> My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) 
> is a Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up 
> before the weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down 
> the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My 
> intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the 
> raid controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set 
> up the mirror.  I have a couple of questions though for 
> anyone who may have experience in this.
> 
> 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed 
> Win2K Pro, Office and other programs.  Once I get the 
> controller, can I just unplug this disk from my motherboard, 
> plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching drive 
> in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new 
> drive gets the exact same partitions (there are three of 
> them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> 
> 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> 
> 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work 
> - I am not a
> (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> 
> The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my 
> installed software and development stuff never again die 
> because a disk dies.  I have found and read a bunch of 
> articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed 
> information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and 
> specifically with this controller.  I assume the 
> documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I 
> need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> 
> Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 15 10:49:42 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:49:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K
References: <001501c43a87$b9131cd0$3500a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <004401c43a94$3d58b110$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...the only way of mirroring a drive under WXP on a WXP system, that I'm
aware of, is using a hardware RAID board that does the mirroring beneath the
WXP layer ...I'd love to be proved wrong on that.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK(John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K


> (was [AccessD])
>
> All the Win2K documentation I can find says that a software mirror (RAID
1)
> can be ONLY on Win2K Server, not Win2K Pro.  A possible area of confusion
is
> that you can apparently use Win2k Pro to create a mirror on a Server, so I
> guess the administrative software is on both but the functional code only
on
> the Server.
>
> With WinXP Pro you can do it, however.
>
> Copying files on NT4?  Is (was) this a supported facility?  Sure, it might
> work, but would I trust valuable data to it?  Doubtful.  Irrelevant now,
> anyway.
>
> HTH
> John
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it
> > appears to have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to
> > copy files from server to get the RAID 1 configurability in
> > NT 4 Workstation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that you
> > can put both drives on one cable but I also think that the
> > controller has a channel per connector, which is almost as
> > good as having two controllers for duplexing in case a
> > controller flakes.
> >
> > I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be sure
> > about the  two drives on a cable, but like I said I think
> > that you gain a channel by using both connectors, and thats
> > just like adding a pair of suspenders along with a belt to
> > insure that your pants stay up.
> >
> > This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just
> > absolutely can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of
> > motherboards are shipping with RAID controllers on board. I
> > read somewhere, maybe on winternals.com that you can use the
> > software RAID functionality of Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > John W. Colby
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > This brings up another question, do you place both mirror
> > drives on the same IDE cable?  If you can choose, is there
> > any advantage to giving each drive it's own IDE cable
> > (simultaneous operations and the like)?.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID
> > controller, all that you have to do is load the drivers with
> > the first drive still connected to the original controller,
> > and then reboot. At the reboot, power down the system move
> > the controller cable to the RAID controller and plug the new
> > drive in also. Just make sure you know which connector is
> > which. When the system reboots, the RAID utility runs and
> > allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make sure that the
> > RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because
> > performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an
> > explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring.
> >
> > You might want to check out some other vendor than Newegg,
> > because they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they
> > did in Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced
> > me to switch back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat
> > $6.95 for up to 150 lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > John W. Colby
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
> > To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard
> > drive bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I
> > had laying around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just
> > replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K
> > doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3
> > or better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the
> > old 40g to get
> > Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed
> > this week.  In
> > both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply
> > aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of
> > all the programs and individualized settings for each program
> > - the registry etc.
> >
> > What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity
> > was roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta
> > cost of Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again.
> >  I am now researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using
> > a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the
> > system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> >
> > My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face)
> > is a Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up
> > before the weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down
> > the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My
> > intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the
> > raid controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set
> > up the mirror.  I have a couple of questions though for
> > anyone who may have experience in this.
> >
> > 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed
> > Win2K Pro, Office and other programs.  Once I get the
> > controller, can I just unplug this disk from my motherboard,
> > plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching drive
> > in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new
> > drive gets the exact same partitions (there are three of
> > them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> >
> > 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> >
> > 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work
> > - I am not a
> > (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> >
> > The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my
> > installed software and development stuff never again die
> > because a disk dies.  I have found and read a bunch of
> > articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed
> > information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and
> > specifically with this controller.  I assume the
> > documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I
> > need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> >
> > Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 15 10:59:42 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:59:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
References: <00c801c43a78$30e7f150$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <005801c43a95$a2de6b00$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

"I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
too" Arthur

...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>
> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if not
> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
> volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
> technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>
> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or Indian-classical.
> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the symphonies,
> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
> Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
> just don't cut it.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
> output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you found
> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
> you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
> you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
> CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and maybe
> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3
> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
> high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per 1,000
> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200
> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
> 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
> for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
> talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
> CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you
> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
> cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times as
> much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything into
> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
> it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet CDDB's,
> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.
> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly, that
> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
> 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
> available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat May 15 12:45:21 2004
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:45:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K
In-Reply-To: <004401c43a94$3d58b110$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <001801c43aa4$64b61a80$3500a8c0@dabsight>

Ah, William, I think you may be right, despite the fact that XP Help tells
you how to do it, and even adds:

"Important      
When mirroring the system volume, always test to make sure you can start
Windows XP Professional from each mirror in the event that one of the disks
fails. Always use identical disks and controllers to help avoid startup
problems."


Curious.  Looks like I originally fell for the confusion I referred to in my
other posting.  Maybe I did well to choose the hardware option?  ;-)

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 15 May 2004 16:50
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> ...the only way of mirroring a drive under WXP on a WXP 
> system, that I'm aware of, is using a hardware RAID board 
> that does the mirroring beneath the WXP layer ...I'd love to 
> be proved wrong on that.
> 
> William Hindman
> "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DJK(John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:20 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K
> 
> 
> > (was [AccessD])
> >
> > All the Win2K documentation I can find says that a software mirror 
> > (RAID
> 1)
> > can be ONLY on Win2K Server, not Win2K Pro.  A possible area of 
> > confusion
> is
> > that you can apparently use Win2k Pro to create a mirror on 
> a Server, 
> > so I guess the administrative software is on both but the 
> functional 
> > code only
> on
> > the Server.
> >
> > With WinXP Pro you can do it, however.
> >
> > Copying files on NT4?  Is (was) this a supported facility?  
> Sure, it 
> > might work, but would I trust valuable data to it?  Doubtful.  
> > Irrelevant now, anyway.
> >
> > HTH
> > John
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > >
> > >
> > > I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it 
> appears to 
> > > have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to copy files from 
> > > server to get the RAID 1 configurability in NT 4 Workstation.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > >
> > >
> > > With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that 
> you can put 
> > > both drives on one cable but I also think that the 
> controller has a 
> > > channel per connector, which is almost as good as having two 
> > > controllers for duplexing in case a controller flakes.
> > >
> > > I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be 
> sure about 
> > > the  two drives on a cable, but like I said I think that 
> you gain a 
> > > channel by using both connectors, and thats just like 
> adding a pair 
> > > of suspenders along with a belt to insure that your pants stay up.
> > >
> > > This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just absolutely 
> > > can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of motherboards are 
> > > shipping with RAID controllers on board. I read 
> somewhere, maybe on 
> > > winternals.com that you can use the software RAID 
> functionality of 
> > > Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. 
> > > Colby
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > >
> > >
> > > This brings up another question, do you place both mirror 
> drives on 
> > > the same IDE cable?  If you can choose, is there any advantage to 
> > > giving each drive it's own IDE cable (simultaneous operations and 
> > > the like)?.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID 
> controller, all 
> > > that you have to do is load the drivers with the first 
> drive still 
> > > connected to the original controller, and then reboot. At the 
> > > reboot, power down the system move the controller cable 
> to the RAID 
> > > controller and plug the new drive in also. Just make sure 
> you know 
> > > which connector is which. When the system reboots, the 
> RAID utility 
> > > runs and allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make 
> sure that 
> > > the RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because
> > > performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an
> > > explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring.
> > >
> > > You might want to check out some other vendor than 
> Newegg, because 
> > > they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they did in 
> > > Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced me to switch 
> > > back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat $6.95 for up to 150 
> > > lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. 
> > > Colby
> > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
> > > To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g 
> hard drive 
> > > bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying 
> > > around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just replace 
> it with a 
> > > 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K doesn't natively support 
> > > large hard disks until you get SP3 or better installed 
> and manually 
> > > edit the registry.  Thus the old 40g to get
> > > Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed
> > > this week.  In
> > > both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply
> > > aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of
> > > all the programs and individualized settings for each program
> > > - the registry etc.
> > >
> > > What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was 
> > > roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of 
> > > Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again.  I am now 
> > > researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using a 
> pair of Maxtor 
> > > 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the system partition 
> (drive c:) 
> > > and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> > >
> > > My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to 
> face) is a 
> > > Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up before the 
> > > weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down the $ for 
> a Maxtor 
> > > 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My intention at this 
> point is to 
> > > order a matching drive and the raid controller from 
> www.Egghead.com 
> > > and when I get it, set up the mirror.  I have a couple of 
> questions 
> > > though for anyone who may have experience in this.
> > >
> > > 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed 
> Win2K Pro, 
> > > Office and other programs.  Once I get the controller, can I just 
> > > unplug this disk from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid 
> > > controller, plug the matching drive in, and tell 
> something to "set 
> > > up the mirror"?  I.e. the new drive gets the exact same 
> partitions 
> > > (there are three of
> > > them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> > >
> > > 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> > >
> > > 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work
> > > - I am not a
> > > (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> > >
> > > The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my 
> installed 
> > > software and development stuff never again die because a 
> disk dies.  
> > > I have found and read a bunch of articles on raid in general but 
> > > can't find any detailed information on the PROCESS of setting the 
> > > thing up, and specifically with this controller.  I assume the
> > > documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I
> > > need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> > >
> > > Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > >
> > >
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From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com  Sat May 15 12:43:33 2004
From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:43:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
References: <00c901c43a79$45afa7d0$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000201c43aa7$ecf07eb0$0c0110ac@toshnb>

100 percent of servers in the $10,000-plus price range have hardware RAID
98 percent of the $5,000 to $10,000 server bracket have hardware RAID
45 percent of the sub-$5,000 server range have hardware RAID.

From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com  Sat May 15 13:45:47 2004
From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:45:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
References: <00c901c43a79$45afa7d0$6601a8c0@rock>
	<000201c43aa7$ecf07eb0$0c0110ac@toshnb>
Message-ID: <002701c43aac$d72f6550$0c0110ac@toshnb>

Apologies for posting this msg. I was aiming at one subscriber, not the
whole list :-).
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Peter Brawley
  To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
  Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:43 PM
  Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


  100 percent of servers in the $10,000-plus price range have hardware RAID
  98 percent of the $5,000 to $10,000 server bracket have hardware RAID
  45 percent of the sub-$5,000 server range have hardware RAID.
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat May 15 15:46:20 2004
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:46:20 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <002701c43aac$d72f6550$0c0110ac@toshnb>
Message-ID: <001b01c43abd$ad642d30$3500a8c0@dabsight>

Don't apologise, Peter: that's fascinating!  I suspected that sort of trend,
but had seen no figures.

John


> -----Original Message-----
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> Peter Brawley
> Sent: 15 May 2004 19:46
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
> 
> 
> Apologies for posting this msg. I was aiming at one 
> subscriber, not the whole list :-).
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Peter Brawley
>   To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>   Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:43 PM
>   Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
> 
> 
>   100 percent of servers in the $10,000-plus price range have 
> hardware RAID
>   98 percent of the $5,000 to $10,000 server bracket have 
> hardware RAID
>   45 percent of the sub-$5,000 server range have hardware RAID.
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat May 15 16:34:09 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 23:34:09 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD8B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


I have been expanding my computer to put all my collection on pc.
I finalised my cd collection (about 6000) songs and have done some
testing to put my vinyll on computer.

The vinyll is quiet a job... 2000 singles and about 1000
albums/maxi's...
I'm not gonna do all of them (bougth a lot of crap in my DJ period) but
propably my favorites and populars..
One could call me a sound purist, I disagree with that, I just want to
listen to music as it was intented, that not purist or what?

So to get to the point, MP3 is awfull, I get headeach listening to it, I
tast metal in my mouth when listening to it....MP3 is terrible for
music. The sound quality is so poor...
And its not only MP3 infact I tested WMA-lossy to and they both sound
horrible (at any bitrate).
But I do understand it has some advanteges and is some situations its
good. But rather due to a lack of... 
For example an MP3 on regular pc speakers can be reasonable. This is
only due the fact that PC speakers are very limited in frequency range,
so you don't here whats missing because the speakers can't reproduce it
anyway...
Same thing for a walkman headphone. Plug in a better headphone and you
gonna hear what you miss.

I used to be a DJ (long long ago) I always learned to keep your source
always as good as posible.
Therefor I decided not to use any lossy compression to put my collection
on computer.
A file created with a lossy compression can NEVER reproduce the
original.
A lossy compression (like MP3/4, OGG, WMA-Lossy) will always cut out
pieces of your music and/or combine your stereo sound in to mono when it
thinks it appropriate.
Play a MP3 loud and you gonna hear easely where it goes wrong. Or play
the cd and MP3 at the same time and cross over between both.

So when I decided to only use a LossLess compression you don't have much
choises.
WAV (but that's no compression)
WMA Lossless (V9 Media player change in options)
I believe there is also a Professionel compression called AAC or ACC.
The compression used for DAB (digital audio broadcasting) is a lossy
compression (since it bandwith is limited)

Cause WMA Lossless file are compressed smaller than WAV, my choice was
clear (since no other).
Ofcours the compression rate is not that good compared to MPx.
So if I convert my WMA lossless to a Audio CD it is in the EXACT same
quality as the original.
If you would create a Audio-CD based on a MP3 the quality will only be
as good as the MP3 file.
WMA Lossless you can compare with a ZIP file.
If you create and afterwards expand the zip the extracted content will
be EXACTLY to the original.
With a Lossy compression the original can never be reproduced, it will
look like it but it isnt.

I'm now experimenting the sample rate with soundforge software to put my
vinyll on disk.
I' havent decided yet if that will be at 44000 (CD quality) or at
192000. I read sum stuff that sound logical to me. 44000 is not
sufficant enough to equal Vinyll qualtiy. As you know or not know Vinyll
sound if far superior to CD. It is the cracks, noise and rumble that are
the negativs of Vynill, next to the dis-comfort in use.
So I ran some test on 44000 and 192000 and I can't pin-point the
difference (wich I can for MP3 all bandwidths). But I can feel it...
It's smooter, it's like the singer is standing in my room...

Because putting my Vinylls on disk is a hell of a job (compared to cd) I
only wanna do it once and do it good....

I already made my mind that I will use a RIAA phono amplifier (to 10mv)
between my Turntable and my computer. No other equipment (like amp or
mixer) to avoid sound change and/or added noise.
Short cables (always important).
Next to that a good sound card is important. Most soundcards are
equipped with a cheap AD convertor that produce noise. I bought a
multiport AD sound card from terratec with external AD convertors.
A computers produces a lot of electrical interference inside the box.

I tried several softs (Including Roxy, Microsoft Plus Analog recorder,
some stuff I downloaded and Soundforge). Soundforge is my prefered, but
I find it very expensive for what it is and for that use.

Never use a so called record improver (like in Roxio). They do tend to
remove the scratches, noise and rumble but they attack yout sound
quality to. And as I already said ealier, but now in other words.
"DON'T TOUCH YOUR MASTERS"

I must add another thing. I have never enjoyed my music collection since
it is on computer.
I used Windows Media Player and it is the best there is to manage a
large collection.
I put it always on ramdom, never here the same song again (unless i want
to) and hear song I never knew I had. I have a lot of different styles
in my collection.
Dance, R&B, Disco, New Wave, New Beat, Pop (in all its variants), Jazz,
Classical, Opera, Golden Oldies, House (and all its variants), Punk,
Chanson Francaise, Rock, and probably I forgot some.


Well it may sound funny, but you can't believe how nice and open minded
it is to listen to Brahms, Talking Heads and Britney Spears after each
other...
You should try it!!

 
Erwin
















-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

"I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
Chainsex, too" Arthur

...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>
> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if
not
> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
> volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
> technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>
> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or
Indian-classical.
> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
Chainsex,
> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the
symphonies,
> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
> Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
> just don't cut it.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
> output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you
found
> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD,
why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
> you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
> you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
> CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and
maybe
> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to
MP3
> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
> high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per
1,000
> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to
200
> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
> 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
> for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
> talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
> CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if
you
> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
> cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times
as
> much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything
into
> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
> it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.
Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet
CDDB's,
> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an
LP.
> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly,
that
> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
> 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
> available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I
can
> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this
easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all
of
> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sat May 15 16:57:07 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:57:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <001b01c43abd$ad642d30$3500a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDECEHOCFAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that I
sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose a
day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot of
sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
period decrease speaks loudly to me.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Don't apologise, Peter: that's fascinating!  I suspected that sort of trend,
but had seen no figures.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Brawley
> Sent: 15 May 2004 19:46
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> Apologies for posting this msg. I was aiming at one
> subscriber, not the whole list :-).
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Peter Brawley
>   To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>   Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:43 PM
>   Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
>   100 percent of servers in the $10,000-plus price range have
> hardware RAID
>   98 percent of the $5,000 to $10,000 server bracket have
> hardware RAID
>   45 percent of the sub-$5,000 server range have hardware RAID.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 15 18:57:45 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:57:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDECEHOCFAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

I read something that I can't dispute nor confirm, which is that if the
MOTHERBOARD fails, the raid array will be useless without getting the same
exact board (or at least chipset?).  I have never had a motherboard fail,
however I do upgrade the motherboard regularly - every few years.  This
article said that with an external raid controller, you just move the
controller to the new system.

As for losing a day... we're talking several.  Windows 2k with all the
service packs and various other updates, Windows 97/2k/XP with all the
various service packs, Norton AV, Yahoo and other chats, my email, VNC,
Dreamweaver, Powerchute, Drivecrypt, Winzip, Roxio, Adaware and Spybot,
Visual Studio.net, all my camera and video camera programs... and a dozen
others that I don't even know I had till I go to use them...

This is the LAST time I do this for anything less than a motherboard change.
The issue of a motherboard change is one of the real issues with Windows.
The motherboard drivers and stuff are mixed in with the programs (in the
registry at least) making the odds very bad of getting your old Windows /
program disk running on a new motherboard.  The PROGRAMS should run on the
new computer, but they are part and parcel of the windows install which
includes very specific drivers for the hardware.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that I
sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose a
day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot of
sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
period decrease speaks loudly to me.

Jim





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 15 19:01:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:01:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEENEDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought I was going to use software raid, but I already had 2kPro
installed.  No go there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K


I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I really lik software raids.
Unfortunately, Win2k Pro doesn't offer a mirror.  You have to have Server to
Mirror a drive in W2k.  However, when you mirror a drive, you don't need to
install anything.

On other peice of advice.  40 gig's is WAY too big for a root drive.  I
highly recommend sticking to 8 gigs or less.  I personally install stuff
like the MSDN, which takes up a lot of space, so I create a larger P:
('Programs') partition, and install software to that.  Mirror them both, and
it doesn't matter if you lose a drive or not.

There is a lot of reasoning behind a smaller root drive, but one of the best
I can offer at this point in time (had a little to drink tonight....<grin>),
is that with a smaller partition, you have a small 'fat' table, even though
you should be using NTFS, it still creates a fat table of sorts.  Just like
any database, the smaller it is, the faster it is.

Drew

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
Subject: [dba-Tech] Going to Raid - Win2K


Folks,

About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard drive bit the
dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying around and a 160g
drive.  I had intended to just replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered
that Win2K doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3 or
better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the old 40g to get
Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed this week.  In
both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply aren't the end
all and be all in a case like this because of all the programs and
individualized settings for each program - the registry etc.

What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was roughly 2-3
days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of Raid 1.  I have
decided not to go through that again.  I am now researching a Raid 1
solution (simple mirror) using a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me
40g for the system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev
etc.

My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face) is a Highpoint
RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up before the weekend I went down to
Staples and plunked down the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard
disk.  My intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the raid
controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set up the mirror.  I
have a couple of questions though for anyone who may have experience in
this.

1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed Win2K Pro, Office
and other programs.  Once I get the controller, can I just unplug this disk
from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching
drive in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new drive
gets the exact same partitions (there are three of them) created, files
written, and I'm up and running mirrored?

2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?

3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work - I am not a
(trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.

The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my installed software
and development stuff never again die because a disk dies.  I have found and
read a bunch of articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed
information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and specifically with
this controller.  I assume the documentation with the controller will tell
me most of what I need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.

Any comments or suggestions appreciated.

John W. Colby


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May 16 00:45:52 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 07:45:52 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD8B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD8B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <192998241.20040516074552@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Thanks for the useful tips! As a former audio engineer I can fully
support your comments on sound quality and often wonder why people
accept things like MP3 for anything else than simple pop music with 6
dB variance in volume, ringtones for mobile phones, and the like.

Also, external equipment is really needed; there simply is too much
noise inside a pc.

As for the audio gear, TerraTec has some nice components. And to all
of you: go and buy some decent speakers for your pc - for a few
hundreds USD/EUR you nowadays can get a nice brandnamed set from say,
Altec, Sony, or Teac.

What recording/editing software did you decide for?

/gustav


> Date: 2004-05-15 23:34


> I have been expanding my computer to put all my collection on pc.
> I finalised my cd collection (about 6000) songs and have done some
> testing to put my vinyll on computer.

> The vinyll is quiet a job... 2000 singles and about 1000
> albums/maxi's...
> I'm not gonna do all of them (bougth a lot of crap in my DJ period) but
> propably my favorites and populars..
> One could call me a sound purist, I disagree with that, I just want to
> listen to music as it was intented, that not purist or what?

> So to get to the point, MP3 is awfull, I get headeach listening to it, I
> tast metal in my mouth when listening to it....MP3 is terrible for
> music. The sound quality is so poor...
> And its not only MP3 infact I tested WMA-lossy to and they both sound
> horrible (at any bitrate).
> But I do understand it has some advanteges and is some situations its
> good. But rather due to a lack of... 
> For example an MP3 on regular pc speakers can be reasonable. This is
> only due the fact that PC speakers are very limited in frequency range,
> so you don't here whats missing because the speakers can't reproduce it
> anyway...
> Same thing for a walkman headphone. Plug in a better headphone and you
> gonna hear what you miss.

> I used to be a DJ (long long ago) I always learned to keep your source
> always as good as posible.
> Therefor I decided not to use any lossy compression to put my collection
> on computer.
> A file created with a lossy compression can NEVER reproduce the
> original.
> A lossy compression (like MP3/4, OGG, WMA-Lossy) will always cut out
> pieces of your music and/or combine your stereo sound in to mono when it
> thinks it appropriate.
> Play a MP3 loud and you gonna hear easely where it goes wrong. Or play
> the cd and MP3 at the same time and cross over between both.

> So when I decided to only use a LossLess compression you don't have much
> choises.
> WAV (but that's no compression)
> WMA Lossless (V9 Media player change in options)
> I believe there is also a Professionel compression called AAC or ACC.
> The compression used for DAB (digital audio broadcasting) is a lossy
> compression (since it bandwith is limited)

> Cause WMA Lossless file are compressed smaller than WAV, my choice was
> clear (since no other).
> Ofcours the compression rate is not that good compared to MPx.
> So if I convert my WMA lossless to a Audio CD it is in the EXACT same
> quality as the original.
> If you would create a Audio-CD based on a MP3 the quality will only be
> as good as the MP3 file.
> WMA Lossless you can compare with a ZIP file.
> If you create and afterwards expand the zip the extracted content will
> be EXACTLY to the original.
> With a Lossy compression the original can never be reproduced, it will
> look like it but it isnt.

> I'm now experimenting the sample rate with soundforge software to put my
> vinyll on disk.
> I' havent decided yet if that will be at 44000 (CD quality) or at
> 192000. I read sum stuff that sound logical to me. 44000 is not
> sufficant enough to equal Vinyll qualtiy. As you know or not know Vinyll
> sound if far superior to CD. It is the cracks, noise and rumble that are
> the negativs of Vynill, next to the dis-comfort in use.
> So I ran some test on 44000 and 192000 and I can't pin-point the
> difference (wich I can for MP3 all bandwidths). But I can feel it...
> It's smooter, it's like the singer is standing in my room...

> Because putting my Vinylls on disk is a hell of a job (compared to cd) I
> only wanna do it once and do it good....

> I already made my mind that I will use a RIAA phono amplifier (to 10mv)
> between my Turntable and my computer. No other equipment (like amp or
> mixer) to avoid sound change and/or added noise.
> Short cables (always important).
> Next to that a good sound card is important. Most soundcards are
> equipped with a cheap AD convertor that produce noise. I bought a
> multiport AD sound card from terratec with external AD convertors.
> A computers produces a lot of electrical interference inside the box.

> I tried several softs (Including Roxy, Microsoft Plus Analog recorder,
> some stuff I downloaded and Soundforge). Soundforge is my prefered, but
> I find it very expensive for what it is and for that use.

> Never use a so called record improver (like in Roxio). They do tend to
> remove the scratches, noise and rumble but they attack yout sound
> quality to. And as I already said ealier, but now in other words.
> "DON'T TOUCH YOUR MASTERS"

> I must add another thing. I have never enjoyed my music collection since
> it is on computer.
> I used Windows Media Player and it is the best there is to manage a
> large collection.
> I put it always on ramdom, never here the same song again (unless i want
> to) and hear song I never knew I had. I have a lot of different styles
> in my collection.
> Dance, R&B, Disco, New Wave, New Beat, Pop (in all its variants), Jazz,
> Classical, Opera, Golden Oldies, House (and all its variants), Punk,
> Chanson Francaise, Rock, and probably I forgot some.


> Well it may sound funny, but you can't believe how nice and open minded
> it is to listen to Brahms, Talking Heads and Britney Spears after each
> other...
> You should try it!!

 
> Erwin
















> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:00 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

> "I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
> Chainsex, too" Arthur

> ...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

> William Hindman
> "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


>> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>>
>> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
>> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
>> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if
> not
>> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
>> volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
>> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
>> technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
>> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
>> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>>
>> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or
> Indian-classical.
>> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
> Chainsex,
>> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the
> symphonies,
>> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
>> Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
>> just don't cut it.
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>>
>>
>> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
>> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
>> output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you
> found
>> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
>> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD,
> why
>> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
>> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
>> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
>> you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
>> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
>> you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
>> CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and
> maybe
>> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
>> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to
> MP3
>> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
>> high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
>> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per
> 1,000
>> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
>> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
>> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
>> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to
> 200
>> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
>> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
>> 75 megs a pop.
>>
>> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
>> for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
>> talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
>> CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if
> you
>> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
>> cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times
> as
>> much.
>>
>> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything
> into
>> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
>> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
>> it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.
> Grin.
>>
>> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
>> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
>> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet
> CDDB's,
>> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
>> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an
> LP.
>> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
>> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
>> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
>> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly,
> that
>> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
>> 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
>> available.)
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>>
>>
>> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I
> can
>> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
>> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
>> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
>> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this
> easy.
>>
>> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all
> of
>> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
>> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
>> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>>
>> Arthur
>>
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 02:14:44 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 02:14:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEKEIACFAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

The array will be useless but what you will have is two mirror images of the
same hard drive. An external RAID card buys nothing when major hardware
changes are involved. And unless you use the same main board with the
possible exception of a rev level change the system probably wont boot no
matter what you use, backups, raid, ghosting, etc. At least thats been my
experience. I build a new system for myself about every 18 months to 2 years
and with that type of change, a reinstall is unavoidable. And yes, it
probably takes more like three days, because I'm loading Acrobat Writer,
Office 97 - XP, SQL Server 2000, MySQL, Cache, Visio, GIMP, Crystal Reports,
Web Matrix, Map Point, Data Junction, CodeCharge Studio 2.2, FrontPage, Win
2k with all the service packs, Visual Studio, Remote Admin, all the IIS
stuff and virtual directories, PC-Cillin, and all the other nameless
utilities plus all the CDs and drivers copied to the hard drive. I generaly
spread that out over more like a week, because I keep using the old system
while configuring a new one. I also like to keep an old system as a warm
spare just in case everything gets fried. I've been in systems since 1969
and seen quite a few messes, and like a belt, suspenders, and a rope tied
around the belt just in case. I also loved lots of cooling fans which are
extremely noisy until I purchased an Antec Sonata case which is extremely
quiet and keeps everything nice and cool. Maybe I've been just lucky with
PC's because no hardware failures other than a few SCSI drives dying have
ever reared their ugly heads on me except one new ThinkPad that was DOA out
of the box. IBM sent me another so I have no idea what was wrong with it.

Most of the systems that I maintain don't carry quite as much software as my
personal system, and could be rebuilt in a day or under.

j





-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:58 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Jim,

I read something that I can't dispute nor confirm, which is that if the
MOTHERBOARD fails, the raid array will be useless without getting the same
exact board (or at least chipset?).  I have never had a motherboard fail,
however I do upgrade the motherboard regularly - every few years.  This
article said that with an external raid controller, you just move the
controller to the new system.

As for losing a day... we're talking several.  Windows 2k with all the
service packs and various other updates, Windows 97/2k/XP with all the
various service packs, Norton AV, Yahoo and other chats, my email, VNC,
Dreamweaver, Powerchute, Drivecrypt, Winzip, Roxio, Adaware and Spybot,
Visual Studio.net, all my camera and video camera programs... and a dozen
others that I don't even know I had till I go to use them...

This is the LAST time I do this for anything less than a motherboard change.
The issue of a motherboard change is one of the real issues with Windows.
The motherboard drivers and stuff are mixed in with the programs (in the
registry at least) making the odds very bad of getting your old Windows /
program disk running on a new motherboard.  The PROGRAMS should run on the
new computer, but they are part and parcel of the windows install which
includes very specific drivers for the hardware.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that I
sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose a
day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot of
sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
period decrease speaks loudly to me.

Jim



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun May 16 10:16:20 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 11:16:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBC26@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEIPFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I tried but failed to find the article.  In the magazine I guess.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


FYI...if you are still looking for info.  MaximumPC just did an article on
RAID setups and reported that the optimal RAID consisted of 3 drives.  Any
more than that and you are surpassing the bandwidth capabilities of the PCI
bus.  As a fourth drive is added you actually lose performance due to
overhead.  Granted, these tests were done on the newest hardware available
so YMMV.  Perhaps if you are using 5 slower 5400 RPM drives it isn't an
issue.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my specific
case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5 drives?

If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data to
each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given drive
goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace said
drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?

Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal SQL
installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another, with
(if possible) SQL itself on a third drive. 

Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am I
actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?

Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
stupid people :)

Arthur

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun May 16 12:07:01 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:07:01 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD8B5@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Well, In my mind I decided for Sounforge...
I don't remember the price anymore but it was more then I would like to
give.
I would only use it to put my Vinyls on computer. But everything I
needed was in it + it supports 192000 sample rate.

I only wanna due this once (putting vinyl on disk takes at least twice
the time of the recordplay time) and you gotta listen to it al the way
to here if it did not skipped etc...
So I supose one day I really start I will buy Soundforge unless a
comperable competitor comes out of the internet sleave...

For DJ software I use Mixvibes, there is a lot of potential in it, but
it has some bugs that can be irritating.
But its affordable an very promising. A lack is controllers. There are
not much of advanced controllers for DJ software.
Mix vibes is mainly focussed on live mixing.

For editing Mixing I like (only tested) Mix Meister (I beleive it is).
I can also do some stuff in My Adobe premier, but that not really
intended to beat mix....

And for regular "Music while I'm dooing stuff"  I always use Windows
Media player, also for my archive management.

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

Hi Erwin

Thanks for the useful tips! As a former audio engineer I can fully
support your comments on sound quality and often wonder why people
accept things like MP3 for anything else than simple pop music with 6 dB
variance in volume, ringtones for mobile phones, and the like.

Also, external equipment is really needed; there simply is too much
noise inside a pc.

As for the audio gear, TerraTec has some nice components. And to all of
you: go and buy some decent speakers for your pc - for a few hundreds
USD/EUR you nowadays can get a nice brandnamed set from say, Altec,
Sony, or Teac.

What recording/editing software did you decide for?

/gustav


> Date: 2004-05-15 23:34


> I have been expanding my computer to put all my collection on pc.
> I finalised my cd collection (about 6000) songs and have done some 
> testing to put my vinyll on computer.

> The vinyll is quiet a job... 2000 singles and about 1000 
> albums/maxi's...
> I'm not gonna do all of them (bougth a lot of crap in my DJ period) 
> but propably my favorites and populars..
> One could call me a sound purist, I disagree with that, I just want to

> listen to music as it was intented, that not purist or what?

> So to get to the point, MP3 is awfull, I get headeach listening to it,

> I tast metal in my mouth when listening to it....MP3 is terrible for 
> music. The sound quality is so poor...
> And its not only MP3 infact I tested WMA-lossy to and they both sound 
> horrible (at any bitrate).
> But I do understand it has some advanteges and is some situations its 
> good. But rather due to a lack of...
> For example an MP3 on regular pc speakers can be reasonable. This is 
> only due the fact that PC speakers are very limited in frequency 
> range, so you don't here whats missing because the speakers can't 
> reproduce it anyway...
> Same thing for a walkman headphone. Plug in a better headphone and you

> gonna hear what you miss.

> I used to be a DJ (long long ago) I always learned to keep your source

> always as good as posible.
> Therefor I decided not to use any lossy compression to put my 
> collection on computer.
> A file created with a lossy compression can NEVER reproduce the 
> original.
> A lossy compression (like MP3/4, OGG, WMA-Lossy) will always cut out 
> pieces of your music and/or combine your stereo sound in to mono when 
> it thinks it appropriate.
> Play a MP3 loud and you gonna hear easely where it goes wrong. Or play

> the cd and MP3 at the same time and cross over between both.

> So when I decided to only use a LossLess compression you don't have 
> much choises.
> WAV (but that's no compression)
> WMA Lossless (V9 Media player change in options) I believe there is 
> also a Professionel compression called AAC or ACC.
> The compression used for DAB (digital audio broadcasting) is a lossy 
> compression (since it bandwith is limited)

> Cause WMA Lossless file are compressed smaller than WAV, my choice was

> clear (since no other).
> Ofcours the compression rate is not that good compared to MPx.
> So if I convert my WMA lossless to a Audio CD it is in the EXACT same 
> quality as the original.
> If you would create a Audio-CD based on a MP3 the quality will only be

> as good as the MP3 file.
> WMA Lossless you can compare with a ZIP file.
> If you create and afterwards expand the zip the extracted content will

> be EXACTLY to the original.
> With a Lossy compression the original can never be reproduced, it will

> look like it but it isnt.

> I'm now experimenting the sample rate with soundforge software to put 
> my vinyll on disk.
> I' havent decided yet if that will be at 44000 (CD quality) or at 
> 192000. I read sum stuff that sound logical to me. 44000 is not 
> sufficant enough to equal Vinyll qualtiy. As you know or not know 
> Vinyll sound if far superior to CD. It is the cracks, noise and rumble

> that are the negativs of Vynill, next to the dis-comfort in use.
> So I ran some test on 44000 and 192000 and I can't pin-point the 
> difference (wich I can for MP3 all bandwidths). But I can feel it...
> It's smooter, it's like the singer is standing in my room...

> Because putting my Vinylls on disk is a hell of a job (compared to cd)

> I only wanna do it once and do it good....

> I already made my mind that I will use a RIAA phono amplifier (to 
> 10mv) between my Turntable and my computer. No other equipment (like 
> amp or
> mixer) to avoid sound change and/or added noise.
> Short cables (always important).
> Next to that a good sound card is important. Most soundcards are 
> equipped with a cheap AD convertor that produce noise. I bought a 
> multiport AD sound card from terratec with external AD convertors.
> A computers produces a lot of electrical interference inside the box.

> I tried several softs (Including Roxy, Microsoft Plus Analog recorder,

> some stuff I downloaded and Soundforge). Soundforge is my prefered, 
> but I find it very expensive for what it is and for that use.

> Never use a so called record improver (like in Roxio). They do tend to

> remove the scratches, noise and rumble but they attack yout sound 
> quality to. And as I already said ealier, but now in other words.
> "DON'T TOUCH YOUR MASTERS"

> I must add another thing. I have never enjoyed my music collection 
> since it is on computer.
> I used Windows Media Player and it is the best there is to manage a 
> large collection.
> I put it always on ramdom, never here the same song again (unless i 
> want
> to) and hear song I never knew I had. I have a lot of different styles

> in my collection.
> Dance, R&B, Disco, New Wave, New Beat, Pop (in all its variants), 
> Jazz, Classical, Opera, Golden Oldies, House (and all its variants), 
> Punk, Chanson Francaise, Rock, and probably I forgot some.


> Well it may sound funny, but you can't believe how nice and open 
> minded it is to listen to Brahms, Talking Heads and Britney Spears 
> after each other...
> You should try it!!

 
> Erwin
















> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:00 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

> "I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo 
> Chainsex, too" Arthur

> ...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

> William Hindman
> "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


>> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>>
>> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very 
>> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your 
>> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if
> not
>> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz 
>> and volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything 
>> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this 
>> compression technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio,
for example.
>> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied 
>> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>>
>> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or
> Indian-classical.
>> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
> Chainsex,
>> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the
> symphonies,
>> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared 
>> to Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. 
>> MP3s just don't cut it.
>>
>> Arthur
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew 
>> Wutka
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>>
>>
>> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's 
>> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input 
>> or output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you
> found
>> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the

>> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD,
> why
>> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several 
>> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on 
>> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That 
>> gives you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without 
>> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, 
>> if you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  
>> First, in CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe 
>> two, and
> maybe
>> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
>> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to
> MP3
>> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are 
>> averaging high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs 
>> a pop, you are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 
>> gigs per
> 1,000
>> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high 
>> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's 
>> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I

>> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to
> 200
>> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90 
>> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer 
>> to
>> 75 megs a pop.
>>
>> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig 
>> drive for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's,

>> you're talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a 
>> bunch of CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  
>> However, if
> you
>> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one 
>> MP3 cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 
>> times
> as
>> much.
>>
>> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything
> into
>> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
>> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and 
>> copy it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000
CD's.
> Grin.
>>
>> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle 
>> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the 
>> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet
> CDDB's,
>> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is 
>> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an
> LP.
>> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you

>> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their 
>> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find

>> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly,
> that
>> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're 
>> own 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
>> available.)
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>>
>>
>> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I
> can
>> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be 
>> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches

>> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's 
>> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this
> easy.
>>
>> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all
> of
>> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps 
>> :) Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps 
>> an illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>>
>> Arthur
>>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 17:25:16 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:25:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <00c801c43a78$30e7f150$6601a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHIEPMDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

I guess it does depend on your tastes, but what settings you use in MP3
compression also are a factor.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


>> Why not record them as MP3s?

Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if not
genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.

Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or Indian-classical.
I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the symphonies,
the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
just don't cut it.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you found
a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and maybe
less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3
format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per 1,000
LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200
gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
75 megs a pop.

Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you
buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times as
much.

On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything into
MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.

I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet CDDB's,
based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.
Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly, that
actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
available.)

Drew

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.

Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)

Arthur

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 17:26:00 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:26:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <001101c43a67$af6f5c90$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPMDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

True, but MP3 players aren't that expensive.  And to play one through your
car, you can get tape or radio adapters for portable MP3 players.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:31 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


Good points Drew but a couple of provisos.

1.If you want to play through your home hi-fi or car CD player you can't use
MP3 format unless you've bought specialised equipment for the job. Fine if
you have or going to get an MP3 player but limited where you can use the
CD's.

2.I would never use any stacking system for vinyl. Fast way to wreck your
original albums. Modern decks often don't even have the 'feature'.

3.I do always record to PC then burn to CD. Speed of doing that is no
problem. I've used the Spin Doctor element of Easy CD Creator Platinum. The
slowest bit though is that it is not effective, however you play with its
settings, at spotting the silence between tracks. What you end up with is 2
WAV's - Side 1 and Side 2. Unless you're happy with that on your CD (means
no ability to select or skip to individual tracks) you then need to use a
sound editing program like Goldwave to split it. Good as Goldwave is it
still takes a fair bit of time to identify the inter-track spaces. So if
anyone uses other software to do the recording which DOES split tracks well
then I'd love to know.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 15 May 2004 01:31
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your
> computer's sound card.  They make software packages that will
> record the input or output of your soundcard into any format
> that you want.  Since you found a 'simple' solution for
> actually recording them, why not simplify the process of
> recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you
> several freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put
> multiple records on them, and when the one playing is done,
> it drops the next.  That gives you a 'cycle' to allow you to
> run several at a time, without 'monitoring' it and without
> swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if you are recording
> them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in CD
> format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two,
> and maybe less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be
> wasting space on CD's.  Not too mention that CD's take up
> room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3 format is going to run
> 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging high, that
> would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75
> gigs per 1,000 LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225
> gigs. This is a high estimate too, I just looked at the
> folder I just ripped my Queen's greatest Hits CD too, and it
> has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I would hazard a guess
> that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200 gigs.
> Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably
> closer to 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200
> gig drive for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to
> get 3000 CD's, you're talking $870.  Instead, get a large
> hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though not all CD
> players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player
> (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.
> Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4
> times as much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting
> everything into MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have
> a single backup source.  Want to make it 'safe' for
> posterity, just buy another drive, and copy it over.  One big
> transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest
> obstacle isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going
> to be the 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded
> on internet CDDB's, based on their individual ID's.  LP's
> don't have that, so there is nothing available to
> automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.  Their may
> be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into
> their appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll
> also have to find something to 'split' the LP MP3's into
> individual songs, honestly, that actually wouldn't be too
> difficult, you could probably make you're own 'splitter' in
> VB, though they probably have something like that available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this
> problem. I can now burn a CD from a record on my turntable!
> It turned out to be ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old
> joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator to make it
> work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to
> punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs,
> virtually all of them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An
> Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got any ideas how I can
> automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant at a
> dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 17:32:22 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:32:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEIMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEPNDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the OS,
but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
the disk with a new motherboard.

However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data drive,
you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You are
going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change (regardless
if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition, the
programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:58 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Jim,

I read something that I can't dispute nor confirm, which is that if the
MOTHERBOARD fails, the raid array will be useless without getting the same
exact board (or at least chipset?).  I have never had a motherboard fail,
however I do upgrade the motherboard regularly - every few years.  This
article said that with an external raid controller, you just move the
controller to the new system.

As for losing a day... we're talking several.  Windows 2k with all the
service packs and various other updates, Windows 97/2k/XP with all the
various service packs, Norton AV, Yahoo and other chats, my email, VNC,
Dreamweaver, Powerchute, Drivecrypt, Winzip, Roxio, Adaware and Spybot,
Visual Studio.net, all my camera and video camera programs... and a dozen
others that I don't even know I had till I go to use them...

This is the LAST time I do this for anything less than a motherboard change.
The issue of a motherboard change is one of the real issues with Windows.
The motherboard drivers and stuff are mixed in with the programs (in the
registry at least) making the odds very bad of getting your old Windows /
program disk running on a new motherboard.  The PROGRAMS should run on the
new computer, but they are part and parcel of the windows install which
includes very specific drivers for the hardware.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that I
sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose a
day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot of
sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
period decrease speaks loudly to me.

Jim



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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sun May 16 17:44:42 2004
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:44:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
References: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPMDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <001301c43b97$61a573b0$0200a8c0@upstairs>

I got an MP3 car stereo... ?300 including fitting (about $500), and that was
a year ago.


Jon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


True, but MP3 players aren't that expensive.  And to play one through your
car, you can get tape or radio adapters for portable MP3 players.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:31 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


Good points Drew but a couple of provisos.

1.If you want to play through your home hi-fi or car CD player you can't use
MP3 format unless you've bought specialised equipment for the job. Fine if
you have or going to get an MP3 player but limited where you can use the
CD's.

2.I would never use any stacking system for vinyl. Fast way to wreck your
original albums. Modern decks often don't even have the 'feature'.

3.I do always record to PC then burn to CD. Speed of doing that is no
problem. I've used the Spin Doctor element of Easy CD Creator Platinum. The
slowest bit though is that it is not effective, however you play with its
settings, at spotting the silence between tracks. What you end up with is 2
WAV's - Side 1 and Side 2. Unless you're happy with that on your CD (means
no ability to select or skip to individual tracks) you then need to use a
sound editing program like Goldwave to split it. Good as Goldwave is it
still takes a fair bit of time to identify the inter-track spaces. So if
anyone uses other software to do the recording which DOES split tracks well
then I'd love to know.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 15 May 2004 01:31
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your
> computer's sound card.  They make software packages that will
> record the input or output of your soundcard into any format
> that you want.  Since you found a 'simple' solution for
> actually recording them, why not simplify the process of
> recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you
> several freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put
> multiple records on them, and when the one playing is done,
> it drops the next.  That gives you a 'cycle' to allow you to
> run several at a time, without 'monitoring' it and without
> swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if you are recording
> them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in CD
> format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two,
> and maybe less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be
> wasting space on CD's.  Not too mention that CD's take up
> room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3 format is going to run
> 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging high, that
> would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75
> gigs per 1,000 LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225
> gigs. This is a high estimate too, I just looked at the
> folder I just ripped my Queen's greatest Hits CD too, and it
> has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I would hazard a guess
> that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200 gigs.
> Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably
> closer to 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200
> gig drive for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to
> get 3000 CD's, you're talking $870.  Instead, get a large
> hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though not all CD
> players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player
> (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.
> Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4
> times as much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting
> everything into MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have
> a single backup source.  Want to make it 'safe' for
> posterity, just buy another drive, and copy it over.  One big
> transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest
> obstacle isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going
> to be the 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded
> on internet CDDB's, based on their individual ID's.  LP's
> don't have that, so there is nothing available to
> automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.  Their may
> be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into
> their appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll
> also have to find something to 'split' the LP MP3's into
> individual songs, honestly, that actually wouldn't be too
> difficult, you could probably make you're own 'splitter' in
> VB, though they probably have something like that available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this
> problem. I can now burn a CD from a record on my turntable!
> It turned out to be ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old
> joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator to make it
> work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to
> punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs,
> virtually all of them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An
> Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got any ideas how I can
> automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant at a
> dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 18:29:43 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:29:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
References: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEPNDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c43b9d$ab16d100$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...wait a minute ...mirrored drives ...new motherboard ...install only one
HD ...insert the motherboard drivers CD and boot to bios ...change the bios
to boot from the CD ...reboot ...when the CD prompt is raised installed the
motherboard drivers ...remove the motherboard drivers CD and insert the
Windows XP CD ...reboot ...when the Win install options are raised, select
the (R) option to "repair" the XP install on the HD using the current mb
drivers ...reboot and you should have a completely functional system ...now
you can install the 2nd HD, format it, and rebuild the RAID mirror using the
mb raid functions.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


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From: "Drew Wutka" <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


> Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the
OS,
> but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
> the disk with a new motherboard.
>
> However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
> motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data
drive,
> you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You
are
> going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change
(regardless
> if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition,
the
> programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
> susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:58 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I read something that I can't dispute nor confirm, which is that if the
> MOTHERBOARD fails, the raid array will be useless without getting the same
> exact board (or at least chipset?).  I have never had a motherboard fail,
> however I do upgrade the motherboard regularly - every few years.  This
> article said that with an external raid controller, you just move the
> controller to the new system.
>
> As for losing a day... we're talking several.  Windows 2k with all the
> service packs and various other updates, Windows 97/2k/XP with all the
> various service packs, Norton AV, Yahoo and other chats, my email, VNC,
> Dreamweaver, Powerchute, Drivecrypt, Winzip, Roxio, Adaware and Spybot,
> Visual Studio.net, all my camera and video camera programs... and a dozen
> others that I don't even know I had till I go to use them...
>
> This is the LAST time I do this for anything less than a motherboard
change.
> The issue of a motherboard change is one of the real issues with Windows.
> The motherboard drivers and stuff are mixed in with the programs (in the
> registry at least) making the odds very bad of getting your old Windows /
> program disk running on a new motherboard.  The PROGRAMS should run on the
> new computer, but they are part and parcel of the windows install which
> includes very specific drivers for the hardware.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:57 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that
I
> sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
> utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose
a
> day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
> minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot
of
> sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
> dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
> period decrease speaks loudly to me.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun May 16 18:45:41 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:45:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEPNDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJEFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Drew,

I got the feeling that what the author was saying is that the actual
encoding / striping / pattern written to the disk was not a standard and
every chip set could do whatever they wanted.  Thus the data stream read off
the disk was readable but meaningless as a whole to anything but the chipset
that wrote it.  That really doesn't make sense in a mirror since it is "just
a disk" but in the case of various striping raids then it might.

Again I am totally ignorant about this so I'm not going to argue one way or
the other.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the OS,
but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
the disk with a new motherboard.

However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data drive,
you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You are
going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change (regardless
if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition, the
programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.

Drew






From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun May 16 18:48:34 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 19:48:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <005f01c43b9d$ab16d100$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEJEFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

I have heard of this working, and heard of it not working.  Sounds good in
theory and would certainly be worth trying!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


...wait a minute ...mirrored drives ...new motherboard ...install only one
HD ...insert the motherboard drivers CD and boot to bios ...change the bios
to boot from the CD ...reboot ...when the CD prompt is raised installed the
motherboard drivers ...remove the motherboard drivers CD and insert the
Windows XP CD ...reboot ...when the Win install options are raised, select
the (R) option to "repair" the XP install on the HD using the current mb
drivers ...reboot and you should have a completely functional system ...now
you can install the 2nd HD, format it, and rebuild the RAID mirror using the
mb raid functions.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


> Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the
OS,
> but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
> the disk with a new motherboard.
>
> However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
> motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data
drive,
> you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You
are
> going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change
(regardless
> if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition,
the
> programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
> susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.
>
> Drew





From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun May 16 19:22:28 2004
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 20:22:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJEFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001701c43ba5$09505a00$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>

...if both of the motherboards are WinXP certified by MS and you have the
new mb drivers, then the OS should be repairable from the CDs ...if not
you're working in lala land ...the reason I buy/recommend nothing that isn't
on the MS list ...I don't care what the salesman or the manufacturer says,
if its not on the MS list, its not purchased.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


> Drew,
>
> I got the feeling that what the author was saying is that the actual
> encoding / striping / pattern written to the disk was not a standard and
> every chip set could do whatever they wanted.  Thus the data stream read
off
> the disk was readable but meaningless as a whole to anything but the
chipset
> that wrote it.  That really doesn't make sense in a mirror since it is
"just
> a disk" but in the case of various striping raids then it might.
>
> Again I am totally ignorant about this so I'm not going to argue one way
or
> the other.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the
OS,
> but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
> the disk with a new motherboard.
>
> However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
> motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data
drive,
> you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You
are
> going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change
(regardless
> if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition,
the
> programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
> susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 23:04:40 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:04:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <001301c43b97$61a573b0$0200a8c0@upstairs>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHCEADDLAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Not bad for a car system, I think....haven't ever looked into those.  I have
a portable though.  Cost $140.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:45 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I got an MP3 car stereo... ?300 including fitting (about $500), and that was
a year ago.


Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


True, but MP3 players aren't that expensive.  And to play one through your
car, you can get tape or radio adapters for portable MP3 players.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:31 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


Good points Drew but a couple of provisos.

1.If you want to play through your home hi-fi or car CD player you can't use
MP3 format unless you've bought specialised equipment for the job. Fine if
you have or going to get an MP3 player but limited where you can use the
CD's.

2.I would never use any stacking system for vinyl. Fast way to wreck your
original albums. Modern decks often don't even have the 'feature'.

3.I do always record to PC then burn to CD. Speed of doing that is no
problem. I've used the Spin Doctor element of Easy CD Creator Platinum. The
slowest bit though is that it is not effective, however you play with its
settings, at spotting the silence between tracks. What you end up with is 2
WAV's - Side 1 and Side 2. Unless you're happy with that on your CD (means
no ability to select or skip to individual tracks) you then need to use a
sound editing program like Goldwave to split it. Good as Goldwave is it
still takes a fair bit of time to identify the inter-track spaces. So if
anyone uses other software to do the recording which DOES split tracks well
then I'd love to know.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 15 May 2004 01:31
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your
> computer's sound card.  They make software packages that will
> record the input or output of your soundcard into any format
> that you want.  Since you found a 'simple' solution for
> actually recording them, why not simplify the process of
> recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you
> several freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put
> multiple records on them, and when the one playing is done,
> it drops the next.  That gives you a 'cycle' to allow you to
> run several at a time, without 'monitoring' it and without
> swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if you are recording
> them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in CD
> format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two,
> and maybe less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be
> wasting space on CD's.  Not too mention that CD's take up
> room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3 format is going to run
> 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging high, that
> would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75
> gigs per 1,000 LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225
> gigs. This is a high estimate too, I just looked at the
> folder I just ripped my Queen's greatest Hits CD too, and it
> has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I would hazard a guess
> that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200 gigs.
> Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably
> closer to 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200
> gig drive for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to
> get 3000 CD's, you're talking $870.  Instead, get a large
> hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though not all CD
> players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player
> (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.
> Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4
> times as much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting
> everything into MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have
> a single backup source.  Want to make it 'safe' for
> posterity, just buy another drive, and copy it over.  One big
> transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest
> obstacle isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going
> to be the 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded
> on internet CDDB's, based on their individual ID's.  LP's
> don't have that, so there is nothing available to
> automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.  Their may
> be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into
> their appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll
> also have to find something to 'split' the LP MP3's into
> individual songs, honestly, that actually wouldn't be too
> difficult, you could probably make you're own 'splitter' in
> VB, though they probably have something like that available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this
> problem. I can now burn a CD from a record on my turntable!
> It turned out to be ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old
> joke about the guy who punches the refridgerator to make it
> work again ("it's not the punch, it's knowing where to
> punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs,
> virtually all of them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An
> Oracle turntable helps :) Anyone got any ideas how I can
> automate their recordings? Perhaps an illegal immigrant at a
> dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 23:05:54 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:05:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <005f01c43b9d$ab16d100$6101a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHGEADDLAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Don't have a lot of experience with Windows XP, but I am 99% sure Win2k
won't let you do that.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


...wait a minute ...mirrored drives ...new motherboard ...install only one
HD ...insert the motherboard drivers CD and boot to bios ...change the bios
to boot from the CD ...reboot ...when the CD prompt is raised installed the
motherboard drivers ...remove the motherboard drivers CD and insert the
Windows XP CD ...reboot ...when the Win install options are raised, select
the (R) option to "repair" the XP install on the HD using the current mb
drivers ...reboot and you should have a completely functional system ...now
you can install the 2nd HD, format it, and rebuild the RAID mirror using the
mb raid functions.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


> Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the
OS,
> but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
> the disk with a new motherboard.
>
> However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
> motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data
drive,
> you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You
are
> going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change
(regardless
> if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition,
the
> programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
> susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:58 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I read something that I can't dispute nor confirm, which is that if the
> MOTHERBOARD fails, the raid array will be useless without getting the same
> exact board (or at least chipset?).  I have never had a motherboard fail,
> however I do upgrade the motherboard regularly - every few years.  This
> article said that with an external raid controller, you just move the
> controller to the new system.
>
> As for losing a day... we're talking several.  Windows 2k with all the
> service packs and various other updates, Windows 97/2k/XP with all the
> various service packs, Norton AV, Yahoo and other chats, my email, VNC,
> Dreamweaver, Powerchute, Drivecrypt, Winzip, Roxio, Adaware and Spybot,
> Visual Studio.net, all my camera and video camera programs... and a dozen
> others that I don't even know I had till I go to use them...
>
> This is the LAST time I do this for anything less than a motherboard
change.
> The issue of a motherboard change is one of the real issues with Windows.
> The motherboard drivers and stuff are mixed in with the programs (in the
> registry at least) making the odds very bad of getting your old Windows /
> program disk running on a new motherboard.  The PROGRAMS should run on the
> new computer, but they are part and parcel of the windows install which
> includes very specific drivers for the hardware.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:57 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
>
>
> I don't build a lot of servers or workstations, but almost everything that
I
> sell has RAID on board, it's just too cheap an insurance policy not to
> utilize, and so easy to recover in case a drive fails. You can easily lose
a
> day if the sole hard driver craps out, with RAID you're down maybe 10 - 15
> minutes, then add another hour when rebuilding the array. It makes a lot
of
> sense especially when considering that all of the drive manufacturers have
> dropped their warranty from three years to one year. The steep warranty
> period decrease speaks loudly to me.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Sun May 16 23:06:45 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJEFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHKEADDLAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

I personally have moved 'Dynamic' disks from one system to another.  No real
problem, and not dependant on Motherboard.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Drew,

I got the feeling that what the author was saying is that the actual
encoding / striping / pattern written to the disk was not a standard and
every chip set could do whatever they wanted.  Thus the data stream read off
the disk was readable but meaningless as a whole to anything but the chipset
that wrote it.  That really doesn't make sense in a mirror since it is "just
a disk" but in the case of various striping raids then it might.

Again I am totally ignorant about this so I'm not going to argue one way or
the other.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: RAID definitions etc


Not really true John. Yes, changing motherboards is going to 'goof' the OS,
but the RAID is done by using Dynamic disks, so you just have to 'import'
the disk with a new motherboard.

However, it's a catch 22.  Yes, the Mirror is recoverable, if you change
motherboards, however, the OS isn't.  So if you have a mirrored data drive,
you're good.  Anything else is going to be worthless by definition.  You are
going to have to install the OS again, with a motherboard change (regardless
if it's a software or hardware raid).  If it's a 'Programs' paritition, the
programs are going to have drivers installed, so they'll be just as
susceptible to a motherboard change as the root drive.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 17 04:19:26 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:19:26 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cab files and "out of memory"
Message-ID: <2313373439.20040517111926@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Some virus protected mail servers now strip attached zip files.

Realizing that an alternative to zip is needed, I have tried
using the cab format which has the advantage that Win2000+ opens it
natively. But some receivers experience that Windows claims "out of
memory" when they try to open the archive.

Has anyone else seen this?

I've read this:

  http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/bootdisk/oldnews.htm

which indicates that it could have something to do with not using LHA
compression ...

/gustav



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon May 17 06:50:35 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:50:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBC27@nnse14.nns.com>

>> In the magazine I guess. <<

Yep.  IIRC they have a dismal website...I think I've only been there once or
twice.  I don't recall seeing ANY reprints of articles.  However, that being
said, I've had a subscription for nearly 3 years and getting ready to renew
again.  IMHO it's a good magazine for ~0.01% of the population.  To those
who just want to turn on the computer and have it work, the subscription
would be a waste of time.

Here are their findings:
Avg. Read Speed (MB/sec)
1 Drive....47
2 Drives...95
3 Drives..113
4 Drives..107



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


I tried but failed to find the article.  In the magazine I guess.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


FYI...if you are still looking for info.  MaximumPC just did an article on
RAID setups and reported that the optimal RAID consisted of 3 drives.  Any
more than that and you are surpassing the bandwidth capabilities of the PCI
bus.  As a fourth drive is added you actually lose performance due to
overhead.  Granted, these tests were done on the newest hardware available
so YMMV.  Perhaps if you are using 5 slower 5400 RPM drives it isn't an
issue.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:43 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID Drives


Can anyone give me a thumbnail education on RAID drives? In my specific
case, I have an old server with 5 visible drives in a RAID. From Win
Explorer I can see 2 drives, C:\ and D:\. I don't think there are any
hidden drives on the box. Are C:\ and D:\ partitions on these 5 drives?

If I understand RAID correctly (and I freely admit that I'm seriously
ignorant here), each file-save operation writes one fifth of the data to
each drive, plus redundant data (somewhere), so that if any given drive
goes down, the data on it is also elsewhere, enabling me to replace said
drive without even powering down. Is that part correct, at least?

Now for the serious question. Accepted wisdom says that the optimal SQL
installation puts the data on one drive and the indexes on another, with
(if possible) SQL itself on a third drive. 

Is this correct? Given a RAID setup as described above, how would I do
this? Should I reformat the RAID and create several drives? If I did
that, then I could easily move the indexes to some other drive, but am I
actually gaining something by doing this? Or is this all hocus-pocus
along the lines of multiple partitions on one hard disk?

Remember, as you read this, that there are no stupid questions -- only
stupid people :)

Arthur

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon May 17 07:31:17 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:31:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBC28@nnse14.nns.com>

>> And to all of you: go and buy some decent speakers for your pc << -Gustav

IIRC, a review of the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 (~$150 USD, THX certified if that
interests you) indicated that the components are virtually identical to
their top of the line 5.1 system Logitech Z-680.  Since I mainly utilize
headphones when using my PC, I didn't have the need for a 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1
system and can personally say that I haven't regretted purchasing the
Logitech Z-2200 set.  In fact, I like them so much I am considering
replacing my current home entertainment speakers with the Logitech Z-680.
Although it was a fluke when it happened, I was convinced after hearing the
difference that the Logitech subwoofer made.  I had been watching TV when my
daughters came in and wanted control to watch a DVD.  I moved my viewing to
the PC.  When my daughters left the room, they left the TV tuned to the same
channel I was watching previously.  Before switching back to the TV, I
accidentally unplugged my headphones, which let the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 do
their thing.  I was startled at the difference.  I hadn't realized just how
"out-of-date" my current setup was.

Anyway, enough rambling, there are plenty of brands and opinions out there,
just thought I'd share mine;)


Mark

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May 17 07:57:02 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:57:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD8B0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEJPFHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Erwin,
Thanks for the tips! I have not undertaken the huge job of recording my LPs
yet. This should help.

I use Music Match Jukebox 8.2 to manage my library and to playback music.
Its probably just personal preference but I like the way it does things
better than WMP (which I used to use a lot). It also records from CDs much
better than any other program I've tried. I use Sound Forge 5 for editing
tracks. I have added Cyber Acoustic speakers to my computer with Dolby 5.1
sound (4 speakers and a sub-woofer). They are not expensive ($40) and add a
lot to the sound. I'm sure the sound could be better but it would cost more
too.

John

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:34 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs



I have been expanding my computer to put all my collection on pc.
I finalised my cd collection (about 6000) songs and have done some
testing to put my vinyll on computer.

The vinyll is quiet a job... 2000 singles and about 1000
albums/maxi's...
I'm not gonna do all of them (bougth a lot of crap in my DJ period) but
propably my favorites and populars..
One could call me a sound purist, I disagree with that, I just want to
listen to music as it was intented, that not purist or what?

So to get to the point, MP3 is awfull, I get headeach listening to it, I
tast metal in my mouth when listening to it....MP3 is terrible for
music. The sound quality is so poor...
And its not only MP3 infact I tested WMA-lossy to and they both sound
horrible (at any bitrate).
But I do understand it has some advanteges and is some situations its
good. But rather due to a lack of...
For example an MP3 on regular pc speakers can be reasonable. This is
only due the fact that PC speakers are very limited in frequency range,
so you don't here whats missing because the speakers can't reproduce it
anyway...
Same thing for a walkman headphone. Plug in a better headphone and you
gonna hear what you miss.

I used to be a DJ (long long ago) I always learned to keep your source
always as good as posible.
Therefor I decided not to use any lossy compression to put my collection
on computer.
A file created with a lossy compression can NEVER reproduce the
original.
A lossy compression (like MP3/4, OGG, WMA-Lossy) will always cut out
pieces of your music and/or combine your stereo sound in to mono when it
thinks it appropriate.
Play a MP3 loud and you gonna hear easely where it goes wrong. Or play
the cd and MP3 at the same time and cross over between both.

So when I decided to only use a LossLess compression you don't have much
choises.
WAV (but that's no compression)
WMA Lossless (V9 Media player change in options)
I believe there is also a Professionel compression called AAC or ACC.
The compression used for DAB (digital audio broadcasting) is a lossy
compression (since it bandwith is limited)

Cause WMA Lossless file are compressed smaller than WAV, my choice was
clear (since no other).
Ofcours the compression rate is not that good compared to MPx.
So if I convert my WMA lossless to a Audio CD it is in the EXACT same
quality as the original.
If you would create a Audio-CD based on a MP3 the quality will only be
as good as the MP3 file.
WMA Lossless you can compare with a ZIP file.
If you create and afterwards expand the zip the extracted content will
be EXACTLY to the original.
With a Lossy compression the original can never be reproduced, it will
look like it but it isnt.

I'm now experimenting the sample rate with soundforge software to put my
vinyll on disk.
I' havent decided yet if that will be at 44000 (CD quality) or at
192000. I read sum stuff that sound logical to me. 44000 is not
sufficant enough to equal Vinyll qualtiy. As you know or not know Vinyll
sound if far superior to CD. It is the cracks, noise and rumble that are
the negativs of Vynill, next to the dis-comfort in use.
So I ran some test on 44000 and 192000 and I can't pin-point the
difference (wich I can for MP3 all bandwidths). But I can feel it...
It's smooter, it's like the singer is standing in my room...

Because putting my Vinylls on disk is a hell of a job (compared to cd) I
only wanna do it once and do it good....

I already made my mind that I will use a RIAA phono amplifier (to 10mv)
between my Turntable and my computer. No other equipment (like amp or
mixer) to avoid sound change and/or added noise.
Short cables (always important).
Next to that a good sound card is important. Most soundcards are
equipped with a cheap AD convertor that produce noise. I bought a
multiport AD sound card from terratec with external AD convertors.
A computers produces a lot of electrical interference inside the box.

I tried several softs (Including Roxy, Microsoft Plus Analog recorder,
some stuff I downloaded and Soundforge). Soundforge is my prefered, but
I find it very expensive for what it is and for that use.

Never use a so called record improver (like in Roxio). They do tend to
remove the scratches, noise and rumble but they attack yout sound
quality to. And as I already said ealier, but now in other words.
"DON'T TOUCH YOUR MASTERS"

I must add another thing. I have never enjoyed my music collection since
it is on computer.
I used Windows Media Player and it is the best there is to manage a
large collection.
I put it always on ramdom, never here the same song again (unless i want
to) and hear song I never knew I had. I have a lot of different styles
in my collection.
Dance, R&B, Disco, New Wave, New Beat, Pop (in all its variants), Jazz,
Classical, Opera, Golden Oldies, House (and all its variants), Punk,
Chanson Francaise, Rock, and probably I forgot some.


Well it may sound funny, but you can't believe how nice and open minded
it is to listen to Brahms, Talking Heads and Britney Spears after each
other...
You should try it!!


Erwin
















-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:00 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

"I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
Chainsex, too" Arthur

...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>
> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if
not
> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
> volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
> technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>
> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or
Indian-classical.
> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo
Chainsex,
> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the
symphonies,
> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
> Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
> just don't cut it.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
> output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you
found
> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD,
why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
> you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
> you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
> CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and
maybe
> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to
MP3
> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
> high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per
1,000
> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to
200
> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
> 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
> for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
> talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
> CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if
you
> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
> cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times
as
> much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything
into
> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
> it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.
Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet
CDDB's,
> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an
LP.
> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly,
that
> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
> 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
> available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I
can
> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this
easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all
of
> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon May 17 08:29:01 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:29:01 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA77@ALCUXB>

I have the X220 speakers here at work, they're fantastic... and only cost me
?30 from Amazon.

I have Creative 5.1 surround on my home pc, and the sound is just amazing...
only problem I had was with the volume control... the MGM lion roared so
loudly in the centre of my head that I near shit a brick, and my housemates
came rushing upstairs to find out what the shouting was about... turned it
down after that ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: 17 May 2004 13:31
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


>> And to all of you: go and buy some decent speakers for your pc << -Gustav

IIRC, a review of the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 (~$150 USD, THX certified if that
interests you) indicated that the components are virtually identical to
their top of the line 5.1 system Logitech Z-680.  Since I mainly utilize
headphones when using my PC, I didn't have the need for a 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1
system and can personally say that I haven't regretted purchasing the
Logitech Z-2200 set.  In fact, I like them so much I am considering
replacing my current home entertainment speakers with the Logitech Z-680.
Although it was a fluke when it happened, I was convinced after hearing the
difference that the Logitech subwoofer made.  I had been watching TV when my
daughters came in and wanted control to watch a DVD.  I moved my viewing to
the PC.  When my daughters left the room, they left the TV tuned to the same
channel I was watching previously.  Before switching back to the TV, I
accidentally unplugged my headphones, which let the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 do
their thing.  I was startled at the difference.  I hadn't realized just how
"out-of-date" my current setup was.

Anyway, enough rambling, there are plenty of brands and opinions out there,
just thought I'd share mine;)


Mark

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May 17 09:31:40 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:31:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA77@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKCFHAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL!
That happens to me when I put a DVD on and forget to turn the stereo down
(which I have it running through). The neighbors probably think I have a
large pet or something :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


I have the X220 speakers here at work, they're fantastic... and only cost me
?30 from Amazon.

I have Creative 5.1 surround on my home pc, and the sound is just amazing...
only problem I had was with the volume control... the MGM lion roared so
loudly in the centre of my head that I near shit a brick, and my housemates
came rushing upstairs to find out what the shouting was about... turned it
down after that ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: 17 May 2004 13:31
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


>> And to all of you: go and buy some decent speakers for your pc << -Gustav

IIRC, a review of the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 (~$150 USD, THX certified if that
interests you) indicated that the components are virtually identical to
their top of the line 5.1 system Logitech Z-680.  Since I mainly utilize
headphones when using my PC, I didn't have the need for a 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1
system and can personally say that I haven't regretted purchasing the
Logitech Z-2200 set.  In fact, I like them so much I am considering
replacing my current home entertainment speakers with the Logitech Z-680.
Although it was a fluke when it happened, I was convinced after hearing the
difference that the Logitech subwoofer made.  I had been watching TV when my
daughters came in and wanted control to watch a DVD.  I moved my viewing to
the PC.  When my daughters left the room, they left the TV tuned to the same
channel I was watching previously.  Before switching back to the TV, I
accidentally unplugged my headphones, which let the 2.1 Logitech Z-2200 do
their thing.  I was startled at the difference.  I hadn't realized just how
"out-of-date" my current setup was.

Anyway, enough rambling, there are plenty of brands and opinions out there,
just thought I'd share mine;)


Mark

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon May 17 12:50:16 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:50:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEMLDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEMLDKAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <40A8FB58.6090501@verizon.net>

Drew Wutka wrote On 5/14/2004 5:30 PM:

>Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive for
>$149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're talking
>$870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of CD-RW's.  Though
>not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you buy a MP3 player (cd
>version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3 cd.  Going the direct CD
>route is going to cost you at least 4 times as much.
>  
>
100pak is $9 at outpost.com (Fry's)
http://www.salescircular.com/ca/computer/cdrecp.shtml

for your state, replace CA in the url above to reflect.

ripping in MP3, he'd have to rip at a mininum of 256kbs in order to keep 
the highest possible fidelity.  Unless he is going for lossless, in that 
case WAVE still beats mp3 hands down.

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue May 18 06:21:19 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:21:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA85@ALCUXB>

One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?
 
 
Jon


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 18 06:38:39 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 07:38:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA85@ALCUXB>
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Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue May 18 06:44:46 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 07:44:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30889E60@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB51D@ADGSERVER>

I would also add that you may want to re-seat any PCI cards and check the
cable connections.

Bobby

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue May 18 06:47:46 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:46 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA87@ALCUXB>

I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

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Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue May 18 06:48:24 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:48:24 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA88@ALCUXB>

I've already checked that, but thanks :-)


Jon

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Sent: 18 May 2004 12:45
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I would also add that you may want to re-seat any PCI cards and check the
cable connections.

Bobby

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 18 09:33:18 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:33:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Message-ID: <13376423.1084890798941.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted wiped and reformatted.  Never had any problems doing this before so I backed up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.  This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format it.
Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format up.
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue May 18 09:36:32 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:36:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30889ECA@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB527@ADGSERVER>

Seeing as how it is a 20GB (which implies having some age to it), it may be
that there are bad sectors that the system is finding and having to do a
bunch of retries.

Bobby

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To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted
wiped and reformatted.  Never had any problems doing this before so I backed
up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and
FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and
tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.
This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with
an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format
it. Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format
up. Paul Hartland

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 18 09:41:06 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:41:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Message-ID: <1868254.1084891266528.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

anything else I can try to Format the drive then, as if it only does 1% every 15mins that means roughly leaving the computer on for around 25 hours just to format the drive.





Message date : May 18 2004, 03:37 PM
>From : "Bobby Heid" 
To : "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Seeing as how it is a 20GB (which implies having some age to it), it may be
that there are bad sectors that the system is finding and having to do a
bunch of retries.

Bobby

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:33 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted
wiped and reformatted. Never had any problems doing this before so I backed
up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and
FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and
tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.
This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with
an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format
it. Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format
up. Paul Hartland

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue May 18 09:45:07 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:45:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA92@ALCUXB>

Might be worth buying a new one... you can get an 80gb drive for under ?50
here, about $75-$80?


Jon

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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: 18 May 2004 15:41
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


anything else I can try to Format the drive then, as if it only does 1%
every 15mins that means roughly leaving the computer on for around 25 hours
just to format the drive.





Message date : May 18 2004, 03:37 PM
>From : "Bobby Heid" 
To : "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Seeing as how it is a 20GB (which implies having some age to it), it may be
that there are bad sectors that the system is finding and having to do a
bunch of retries.

Bobby

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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:33 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted
wiped and reformatted. Never had any problems doing this before so I backed
up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and
FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and
tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.
This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with
an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format
it. Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format
up. Paul Hartland

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue May 18 10:15:21 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:15:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30889ED4@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB529@ADGSERVER>

I forwarded your question on to another list and here are the 2 responses so
far:

Reply #1
Is the drive identified correctly in Bios?  Is the bios on auto or did 
someone enter manual parameters?  Is it identified as LBA or Large?  Large 
will give you problems.

Reply #2
Bad sectors on the hard drive?  Bad cable?  CMOS config problem?  I've seen 
hard drives that ran abnormally slow, and I generally phonebooked them and 
sent them back (assuming warranty.)

I'd check the CMOS settings and cable first.


HTH,
Bobby

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:41 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


anything else I can try to Format the drive then, as if it only does 1%
every 15mins that means roughly leaving the computer on for around 25 hours
just to format the drive.





Message date : May 18 2004, 03:37 PM
>From : "Bobby Heid"
To : "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Seeing as how it is a 20GB (which implies having some age to it), it may be
that there are bad sectors that the system is finding and having to do a
bunch of retries.

Bobby

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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:33 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted
wiped and reformatted. Never had any problems doing this before so I backed
up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and
FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and
tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.
This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with
an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format
it. Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format
up. Paul Hartland

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 18 10:17:27 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:17:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Message-ID: <30837493.1084893447249.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

BIOS is on auto, not sure what it is identified as, will check when I get in...
Thanks to everyone so far for you help.
Paul Hartland





Message date : May 18 2004, 04:15 PM
>From : "Bobby Heid" 
To : "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
I forwarded your question on to another list and here are the 2 responses so
far:

Reply #1
Is the drive identified correctly in Bios? Is the bios on auto or did 
someone enter manual parameters? Is it identified as LBA or Large? Large 
will give you problems.

Reply #2
Bad sectors on the hard drive? Bad cable? CMOS config problem? I've seen 
hard drives that ran abnormally slow, and I generally phonebooked them and 
sent them back (assuming warranty.)

I'd check the CMOS settings and cable first.


HTH,
Bobby

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anything else I can try to Format the drive then, as if it only does 1%
every 15mins that means roughly leaving the computer on for around 25 hours
just to format the drive.





Message date : May 18 2004, 03:37 PM
>From : "Bobby Heid"
To : "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
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Subject : RE: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW
Seeing as how it is a 20GB (which implies having some age to it), it may be
that there are bad sectors that the system is finding and having to do a
bunch of retries.

Bobby

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Subject: [dba-Tech] Formatting Hard Drive Is SLOW


To all,
I have a friends PC at home AMD Athlon 650, 20gb Hard Drive whihc he wanted
wiped and reformatted. Never had any problems doing this before so I backed
up all his important data, booted the PC with a windows 98 startup disk and
FDisked the Hard Drive, so far not a problem, however when I re-booted and
tried formatting its formatting the drive at roughly 1% every 15 minutes.
This seems to be far too slow to me as I have a 40gb hard drive at home with
an AMD 1gb processor and only takes about 15 mins if I ever want to format
it. Anyone any ideas on what could be happening, or how to speed the format
up. Paul Hartland

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 18 15:47:49 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:47:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA87@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Have you tried windows repair install?

John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 AM
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Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

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Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed May 19 03:13:00 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:13:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA9B@ALCUXB>

yeah, that was the first thing I did - no luck :-(


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 18 May 2004 21:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Have you tried windows repair install?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 19 06:32:11 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:32:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AA9B@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKNFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, it sounds like you are hosed.  I googled ks.dll and it is a file that
can be downloaded from Microsoft's web site.  If you downloaded it and
placed it (manually) in the System32 directory then you may get further.
However this file is used for debugging driver problems and may be being
called from some driver having issues so getting the file in place might not
solve the issue.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


yeah, that was the first thing I did - no luck :-(


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 18 May 2004 21:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Have you tried windows repair install?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed May 19 06:36:53 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:36:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAA1@ALCUXB>

I've got another pc that's the same make and model, so I took the drive out,
slaved it in this other one and ran scandisk, disk cleanup and defrag. The
pc now starts by itself, which is a lot better than it did last time, so I'm
going to copy ths dll from one pc to the other, and see if it works.
Although I keep getting "Explorer.exe has created errors and will be shut
down" every 30 seconds. Thanks for the help so far though :-)

I've even tried running windows repair install again, but that hasn't worked
either. Can you do a 95/98 and reinstall over the top without losing any
settings etc?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 19 May 2004 12:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Well, it sounds like you are hosed.  I googled ks.dll and it is a file that
can be downloaded from Microsoft's web site.  If you downloaded it and
placed it (manually) in the System32 directory then you may get further.
However this file is used for debugging driver problems and may be being
called from some driver having issues so getting the file in place might not
solve the issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


yeah, that was the first thing I did - no luck :-(


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 18 May 2004 21:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Have you tried windows repair install?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going
to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 19 07:21:43 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:21:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAA1@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKNFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't think a reinstall will not make changes.  It sets up default values
to the registry and stuff.  Whether you would lose all your programs is
another story but I suspect you would.  I believe it creates a brand new
registry which would trash all installed programs.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


I've got another pc that's the same make and model, so I took the drive out,
slaved it in this other one and ran scandisk, disk cleanup and defrag. The
pc now starts by itself, which is a lot better than it did last time, so I'm
going to copy ths dll from one pc to the other, and see if it works.
Although I keep getting "Explorer.exe has created errors and will be shut
down" every 30 seconds. Thanks for the help so far though :-)

I've even tried running windows repair install again, but that hasn't worked
either. Can you do a 95/98 and reinstall over the top without losing any
settings etc?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 19 May 2004 12:32
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Well, it sounds like you are hosed.  I googled ks.dll and it is a file that
can be downloaded from Microsoft's web site.  If you downloaded it and
placed it (manually) in the System32 directory then you may get further.
However this file is used for debugging driver problems and may be being
called from some driver having issues so getting the file in place might not
solve the issue.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


yeah, that was the first thing I did - no luck :-(


Jon

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Sent: 18 May 2004 21:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Have you tried windows repair install?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 AM
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I can see it in the BIOS, there are no beep codes. It all starts booting
into windows, does the black startup screen, then the white one with the
windows logo on it, then bombs out into a blue STOP screen and tells me that
it can't load c:\winnt\system32\drivers\ks.dll


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 18 May 2004 12:39
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


Is the bios running?  No beep codes?  Video displaying the typical memory
scan etc?  Is the memory amount normal?  Can you enter the bios and check if
the system sees the hard disk?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 AM
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Subject: [dba-Tech] hardware issue?


One of my colleagues has just knocked over a tower system that was sitting
nicely on the floor onto someone else's foot... aside from the obvious
Health and Safety issues (and the beating he's going to get from me), I
can't make the pc boot into windows (2K)... I've tried the emergency repair
console, and booting into safe and normal modes with no success... I'm going

to try putting it in another box as a slave to see if I can scandisk and
replace the driver that it says it can't load... if they fail, what are my
options? Reinstall?


Jon


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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 20 08:02:47 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:02:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKNFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <07b301c43e6a$bfc3eb40$6601a8c0@rock>

I've been inspecting the Outlook Rules wizard, but can't seem to find
what I want, which is this: after I read a message, move it to the
specified folder. So far I have been moving messages automatically
before reading them, but it has become impractical to continue this way.


Can such a rule be built? If so, how?

TIA,
Arthur



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu May 20 08:05:04 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:05:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAAF@ALCUXB>

You could have the rules set up but not active, then run the move wizard
after you've read them, although that might be as big a pita as you already
have.


Jon

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Sent: 20 May 2004 14:03
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question


I've been inspecting the Outlook Rules wizard, but can't seem to find
what I want, which is this: after I read a message, move it to the
specified folder. So far I have been moving messages automatically
before reading them, but it has become impractical to continue this way.


Can such a rule be built? If so, how?

TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 20 08:17:39 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:17:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook question
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAAF@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <07c401c43e6c$d3694c60$6601a8c0@rock>

That's an interesting thought. I could do that once or twice a day,
which might suffice. Thanks!

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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:05 AM
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Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook question


You could have the rules set up but not active, then run the move wizard
after you've read them, although that might be as big a pita as you
already have.


Jon



From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Thu May 20 15:06:02 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:06:02 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI
Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD94127DF@bross.quiznos.net>

A client of mine is getting ready to implement EDI, does anyone have any
experience with good or bad software packages for Mapping/Translation?
Also, any recommendations for resource to help roll your own?

Thanks,
Crhis Mackin


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 21 07:38:30 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:38:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEMJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.

Anyone know what the fix was for this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 21 07:45:38 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:45:38 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEMJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEMJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <12021088283.20040521144538@cactus.dk>

Hi John

If Outlook 2000, it could be this:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=1E252CCF-452A-4313-A402-B50C4405580A

/gustav


> Date: 2004-05-21 14:38

> Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
> my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.

> Anyone know what the fix was for this?



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 21 08:10:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:10:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
In-Reply-To: <12021088283.20040521144538@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEMKFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

This seems to be the one.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization


Hi John

If Outlook 2000, it could be this:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=1E25
2CCF-452A-4313-A402-B50C4405580A

/gustav


> Date: 2004-05-21 14:38

> Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
> my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.

> Anyone know what the fix was for this?

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri May 21 10:09:25 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:09:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEMJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEMJFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <40AE1BA5.6040707@verizon.net>

John W. Colby wrote On 5/21/2004 5:38 AM:

>Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
>my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.
>
>Anyone know what the fix was for this?
>  
>
IIRC, I think it was to use a new email client ;o) (Hey it's Friday)

-- 
-Francisco




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 21 10:28:36 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:28:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
In-Reply-To: <40AE1BA5.6040707@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It must be nice to have clients that you can tell what email client they
have to use.  Unfortunately I don't.  And unfortunately my client wants me
to do little things like automatically process email, strip off the
attachments and import the data in those attachments etc.  So... I use what
they use, which is Outlook.

In fact, of ALL of my clients, ALL use Outlook.  Hmmmm.... a pattern is
emerging.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:09 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization


John W. Colby wrote On 5/21/2004 5:38 AM:

>Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
>my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.
>
>Anyone know what the fix was for this?
>
>
IIRC, I think it was to use a new email client ;o) (Hey it's Friday)

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 21 10:37:11 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:37:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
Message-ID: <20040521153708.7973F25D976@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

John, not sure which v of Outlook you're running but is this it?

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=811167

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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Date: 21/05/04 15:29

>
> It must be nice to have clients that you can tell what email client they
> have to use.  Unfortunately I don't.  And unfortunately my client wants me
> to do little things like automatically process email, strip off the
> attachments and import the data in those attachments etc.  So... I use
what
> they use, which is Outlook.
>
> In fact, of ALL of my clients, ALL use Outlook.  Hmmmm.... a pattern is
> emerging.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
> Tapia
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:09 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
>
>
> John W. Colby wrote On 5/21/2004 5:38 AM:
>
> &gt;Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't
lay
> &gt;my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.
> &gt;
> &gt;Anyone know what the fix was for this?
> &gt;
> &gt;
> IIRC, I think it was to use a new email client ;o) (Hey it's Friday)
>
> --
> -Francisco
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri May 21 11:50:55 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:50:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMMFKAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <40AE336F.1080809@verizon.net>


Actually it's exhilarating...  you've stated in the past that you don't 
specifically like being a jack of all trades.  I personally hate outlook 
and use it here at work for 2 purposes, receiving scheduled meetings 
reminders from people and some email importing for a distributed app I 
have, otherwise I pre-screen my favorite email client.

most people use Outlook because the company uses outlook and many 
companies use Outlook because it's pre-bundled in Office and it relieves 
the overhead of having to go out and *purchase* an email client site 
license.  I don't believe it's a matter of choice, but rather 
convenience.  I don't like Outlook for several reasons, but overhead on 
the pc and viruses are my primary reasons.


John W. Colby wrote On 5/21/2004 8:28 AM:

>It must be nice to have clients that you can tell what email client they
>have to use.  Unfortunately I don't.  And unfortunately my client wants me
>to do little things like automatically process email, strip off the
>attachments and import the data in those attachments etc.  So... I use what
>they use, which is Outlook.
>
>In fact, of ALL of my clients, ALL use Outlook.  Hmmmm.... a pattern is
>emerging.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
>Tapia
>Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:09 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook pegs cpu utilization
>
>
>John W. Colby wrote On 5/21/2004 5:38 AM:
>
>  
>
>>Outlook is using 100% of the cpu.  I have seen a fix from MS but can't lay
>>my hands on it.  I have SP3 installed.
>>
>>Anyone know what the fix was for this?
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>IIRC, I think it was to use a new email client ;o) (Hey it's Friday)
>
>--
>-Francisco
>
>  
>

-- 
-Francisco




From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 21 12:01:18 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:01:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Earthlink SPAM Blocker
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEFIGLAA.john@winhaven.net>

Any of you use the Earthlink SPAM Blocker? If so is it any good?


John B. 



From my.lists at verizon.net  Fri May 21 12:11:30 2004
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:11:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Earthlink SPAM Blocker
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEFIGLAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEFIGLAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <40AE3842.5010209@verizon.net>

sorry nope, I use Thunderbird wich includes a spambaysian filter, 
there's a 3rd party opensource/freeware? middle ware that can tag your 
spam email so you can filter it out easier...

John Bartow wrote On 5/21/2004 10:01 AM:

>Any of you use the Earthlink SPAM Blocker? If so is it any good?
>
>
>John B. 
>  
>


-- 
-Francisco




From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Fri May 21 17:56:42 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:56:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI
In-Reply-To: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD94127DF@bross.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEMEDCCGAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

Chris,

Some questions: What is the volume of transactions that will be generated?
What doc types will the client be exchanging with trading partner(s) and do
their trading partner(s) name a specific VAN to be used for doc exchange?
Are ASNs required?

If the transaction volume is low and utilizing standard doc types like 810
Invoice, your customer might just want to opt for a simple free web based
solution that is available from GXS who use to be GE, and I imagine that
other VANs have similar products. I have experience with Desktop EDI from
GXS and a similar Gentran product from Sterling a few years back and both
are about the same pricewise and featurewise. Also you might want to check
SourceForge for open source tools.

www.gxs.com

www.sterlingcommerce.com

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin,
Christopher
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:06 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI


A client of mine is getting ready to implement EDI, does anyone have any
experience with good or bad software packages for Mapping/Translation?
Also, any recommendations for resource to help roll your own?

Thanks,
Crhis Mackin
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From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Fri May 21 18:02:32 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:02:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI
Message-ID: <19F28F0B4284C04FB90CAA380451FFD94127F1@bross.quiznos.net>

Thanks Jim,

To answer your questions, they are going to start with a low volume, 10
trading partners with an average of 20-25 documents traded each week.  It is
going to be standard 810's and 850's with no ASN's.  To start they will not
have a VAN, but will be doing EDIINT trading over HTTP with AS2 encryption.

Thanks for your receommendations, I will look into them.

-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] EDI


Chris,

Some questions: What is the volume of transactions that will be generated?
What doc types will the client be exchanging with trading partner(s) and do
their trading partner(s) name a specific VAN to be used for doc exchange?
Are ASNs required?

If the transaction volume is low and utilizing standard doc types like 810
Invoice, your customer might just want to opt for a simple free web based
solution that is available from GXS who use to be GE, and I imagine that
other VANs have similar products. I have experience with Desktop EDI from
GXS and a similar Gentran product from Sterling a few years back and both
are about the same pricewise and featurewise. Also you might want to check
SourceForge for open source tools.

www.gxs.com

www.sterlingcommerce.com

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin,
Christopher
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:06 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI


A client of mine is getting ready to implement EDI, does anyone have any
experience with good or bad software packages for Mapping/Translation?
Also, any recommendations for resource to help roll your own?

Thanks,
Crhis Mackin
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon May 24 04:37:12 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:37:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal reports
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAD4@ALCUXB>

I've got an Oracle database which I'm trying to write a report from, by
extracting data through Cystal Report and/or Excel (MS Query). I'm using
Win2k, Office 2k and Crystal Reports 9.0 sp3 on a P4 1.5 with 512mb RAM and
2048mb page file, and I keep getting the message "memory full"... which is
slightly annoying to say the least.
 
Does anyone have any ideas how I'd get around that?
 
 
Jon


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From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:40:59 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AAFA@ALCUXB>

Has anyone ever made SUS work?
 
I've got a copy of it on a server here with a view to patching all the pc's
over night without going round to each one to do a windows update.
 
The reasoning behind this thinking was especially evident today with the
outbreak of a Sasser worm, despite 50% of the machines having already been
patched, but I'm having trouble telling the client pc's where to look for
the updates - they can't seem to see the SUS server. I was wondering if
anyone had any experience with this or any ideas how I might make it work...
 
Thanks
 
 
Jon


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May 25 21:50:12 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:20:12 +0930
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3AC07@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Yup.  Works well here.

Heaps of information can be found here:
www.susserver.com

Post in the forums there on any issues you're having and I'll help you out
(username: Bunce)

Cheers,
Andrew

PS - New version out later this year (called WUS) which I'm BETA testing at
the mo. A lot more flexible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2004 1:11 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)

Has anyone ever made SUS work?
 
I've got a copy of it on a server here with a view to patching all the pc's
over night without going round to each one to do a windows update.
 
The reasoning behind this thinking was especially evident today with the
outbreak of a Sasser worm, despite 50% of the machines having already been
patched, but I'm having trouble telling the client pc's where to look for
the updates - they can't seem to see the SUS server. I was wondering if
anyone had any experience with this or any ideas how I might make it work...
 
Thanks
 
 
Jon


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed May 26 00:42:10 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:42:10 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0AD928@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I tried about a year ago to install he sus server.
I removed it again because there was no way I could get it to work.

The server part worked fine but the client side not.
You need to install a special Update client that replaces the regular
update client in windows.
The difference is that it will look or you can define a SUS server in
your network.

My problem was that the client was not installable on a computer because
the language was not the same.
It was however the Dutch client I was trying to install (If I recall
exact).
Since we also have ISA server that has a cache, the importance of a SUS
server is not that really high....or even pointless.

Erwin
 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 25 mei 2004 17:41
Aan: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)

Has anyone ever made SUS work?
 
I've got a copy of it on a server here with a view to patching all the
pc's over night without going round to each one to do a windows update.
 
The reasoning behind this thinking was especially evident today with the
outbreak of a Sasser worm, despite 50% of the machines having already
been patched, but I'm having trouble telling the client pc's where to
look for the updates - they can't seem to see the SUS server. I was
wondering if anyone had any experience with this or any ideas how I
might make it work...
 
Thanks
 
 
Jon


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May 26 03:40:47 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:10:47 +0930
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3AC16@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

The 'special update client' you speak of is already included in Windows XP
SP1 and Windows 2000 SP3, so requires no installation in many environments.

In environments where this is required it can be deployed through a simple
group policy object (easy) or login scripts (not quite as easy, but commonly
used in non-AD environments)

I've seen language related problems you have reported once or twice in the
forums, but from memory it may have been fixed in SP1.  If not I'm sure a
fix would have been discussed in the past.  I'd be happy to discuss the
problem OL if you're still considering implementing it.

The main advantage of SUS is not in saving bandwidth, but offering the
ability for clients to automatically update themselves with little or no
interaction from network admins - while having control over what updates
actually get installed (which you can't do by just setting clients to grab
all updates automatically from WindowsUpdate).

Sys-Admins should always perform at least some minimal tests on updates
before deploying them to a network.

Our corporation and many others have implemented this system and swear by
it, and you can't beat the price (free).

Cheers,
Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2004 3:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)

I tried about a year ago to install he sus server.
I removed it again because there was no way I could get it to work.

The server part worked fine but the client side not.
You need to install a special Update client that replaces the regular
update client in windows.
The difference is that it will look or you can define a SUS server in
your network.

My problem was that the client was not installable on a computer because
the language was not the same.
It was however the Dutch client I was trying to install (If I recall
exact).
Since we also have ISA server that has a cache, the importance of a SUS
server is not that really high....or even pointless.

Erwin
 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 mei 2004 17:41
Aan: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Onderwerp: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)

Has anyone ever made SUS work?
 
I've got a copy of it on a server here with a view to patching all the
pc's over night without going round to each one to do a windows update.
 
The reasoning behind this thinking was especially evident today with the
outbreak of a Sasser worm, despite 50% of the machines having already
been patched, but I'm having trouble telling the client pc's where to
look for the updates - they can't seem to see the SUS server. I was
wondering if anyone had any experience with this or any ideas how I
might make it work...
 
Thanks
 
 
Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed May 26 04:13:42 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:13:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB00@ALCUXB>

What a brilliant site, thanks for the heads up Andrew :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 26 May 2004 03:50
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)


Yup.  Works well here.

Heaps of information can be found here:
www.susserver.com

Post in the forums there on any issues you're having and I'll help you out
(username: Bunce)

Cheers,
Andrew

PS - New version out later this year (called WUS) which I'm BETA testing at
the mo. A lot more flexible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2004 1:11 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Software Update Services (SUS)

Has anyone ever made SUS work?
 
I've got a copy of it on a server here with a view to patching all the pc's
over night without going round to each one to do a windows update.
 
The reasoning behind this thinking was especially evident today with the
outbreak of a Sasser worm, despite 50% of the machines having already been
patched, but I'm having trouble telling the client pc's where to look for
the updates - they can't seem to see the SUS server. I was wondering if
anyone had any experience with this or any ideas how I might make it work...
 
Thanks
 
 
Jon


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed May 26 16:00:06 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:00:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] EDI
Message-ID: <20040526160006.187200245.serbach@new.rr.com>

Chris,

I've been writing a roll-your-own EDI system for a client. The core of the application is Framework EDI, an EDI application development kit manufactured by a company called EDIDeV ( www.edidev.com ). It consists of an ActiveX component that you can reference in VB or Delphi or Access. It's $950 with a small fee for runtime distribution. It also comes with some nice viewers for ad hoc examination of, say, an 850 purchase order in a readable hierarchical format that also shows syntax errors.

Sincerely,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504


From mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com  Wed May 26 19:16:51 2004
From: mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:16:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB00@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <00c801c4437f$ecea4460$0207a8c0@TopEnergy>

Dear All
I can't be the first to see this. What solutions are there ?

MS Word stores a reference to the attached template inside its documents.
Sounds like a good idea at first.

Our projects people have over a period of years kept that template path on a
server that has now closed down (a year ago maybe). There is a new one,
different server but actually a very similar path therein (but not in my
User or Workgroup template paths).

They've been using NT4 with Office 2000, loading up old documents just fine.
Now they're being given Windows XP with Office 2000, and their entire Word
document back catalog is a disaster. Each document they complain about (may
not be all in any given location) takes minutes (five or ten) to open on XP,
but NT4 machines still seem just fine.

Investigation so far shows that the local XP machine is tapping its heels,
processor idle, for the duration. So it looks like maybe a DNS query is
going out for the missing server and the response when it comes is negative
anyway. Whereas maybe NT4 didn't bother about doing all that and just used a
nearby normal.dot straightaway.

Interrogated from an Access mdb using a WdApp object, it still takes just
that long to open the document (with the switch/retry box up), but then
reports that it's attached to normal.dot. I can look in the live
Word/Tools/Templates&Addins, and the full URL of the missing template is
visible, but VBA doesn't see that at all. So I can't select a document for
editing based on having the wrong template attached.

I put a line in my pc's hosts file to give the new server an alias of the
old servername. This speeds things up tremendously, but VBA still sees
normal.dot as the attached template.

I'm still investigating; maybe I'll move my template location to where the
template is, or copy the template to my user or workgroup template location.
I presume the Projects people have suitable template locations entered
already, but I'll have to check.

I have entered searches in google but I haven't found anyone else reporting
this - perhaps the solution is obvious to everyone else ?

I'm afraid I'm a late night (UK) user only so I'll just have to collect your
ideas till tomorrow.

Regards
Mike Tope



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May 26 19:39:01 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:09:01 +0930
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3AC1D@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Just a guess, but are thefFile locations correct within word?

Tools -> Options -> File Locations?



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tope [mailto:mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2004 9:47 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing

Dear All
I can't be the first to see this. What solutions are there ?

MS Word stores a reference to the attached template inside its documents.
Sounds like a good idea at first.

Our projects people have over a period of years kept that template path on a
server that has now closed down (a year ago maybe). There is a new one,
different server but actually a very similar path therein (but not in my
User or Workgroup template paths).

They've been using NT4 with Office 2000, loading up old documents just fine.
Now they're being given Windows XP with Office 2000, and their entire Word
document back catalog is a disaster. Each document they complain about (may
not be all in any given location) takes minutes (five or ten) to open on XP,
but NT4 machines still seem just fine.

Investigation so far shows that the local XP machine is tapping its heels,
processor idle, for the duration. So it looks like maybe a DNS query is
going out for the missing server and the response when it comes is negative
anyway. Whereas maybe NT4 didn't bother about doing all that and just used a
nearby normal.dot straightaway.

Interrogated from an Access mdb using a WdApp object, it still takes just
that long to open the document (with the switch/retry box up), but then
reports that it's attached to normal.dot. I can look in the live
Word/Tools/Templates&Addins, and the full URL of the missing template is
visible, but VBA doesn't see that at all. So I can't select a document for
editing based on having the wrong template attached.

I put a line in my pc's hosts file to give the new server an alias of the
old servername. This speeds things up tremendously, but VBA still sees
normal.dot as the attached template.

I'm still investigating; maybe I'll move my template location to where the
template is, or copy the template to my user or workgroup template location.
I presume the Projects people have suitable template locations entered
already, but I'll have to check.

I have entered searches in google but I haven't found anyone else reporting
this - perhaps the solution is obvious to everyone else ?

I'm afraid I'm a late night (UK) user only so I'll just have to collect your
ideas till tomorrow.

Regards
Mike Tope

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From artful at rogers.com  Wed May 26 20:10:20 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:10:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing
In-Reply-To: <00c801c4437f$ecea4460$0207a8c0@TopEnergy>
Message-ID: <028101c44387$6151e720$6601a8c0@rock>

Is this an opportunity for a data-driven solution? I.e. store the paths
in a table then look them up. When something radical occurs such as the
death of server1 and its replacement by server2, do a replace in the
table and all the code hangs together.

Just a thought. There could be problems I'm not seeing.

Arthur

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tope
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing


Dear All
I can't be the first to see this. What solutions are there ?

MS Word stores a reference to the attached template inside its
documents. Sounds like a good idea at first.

Our projects people have over a period of years kept that template path
on a server that has now closed down (a year ago maybe). There is a new
one, different server but actually a very similar path therein (but not
in my User or Workgroup template paths).

They've been using NT4 with Office 2000, loading up old documents just
fine. Now they're being given Windows XP with Office 2000, and their
entire Word document back catalog is a disaster. Each document they
complain about (may not be all in any given location) takes minutes
(five or ten) to open on XP, but NT4 machines still seem just fine.

Investigation so far shows that the local XP machine is tapping its
heels, processor idle, for the duration. So it looks like maybe a DNS
query is going out for the missing server and the response when it comes
is negative anyway. Whereas maybe NT4 didn't bother about doing all that
and just used a nearby normal.dot straightaway.

Interrogated from an Access mdb using a WdApp object, it still takes
just that long to open the document (with the switch/retry box up), but
then reports that it's attached to normal.dot. I can look in the live
Word/Tools/Templates&Addins, and the full URL of the missing template is
visible, but VBA doesn't see that at all. So I can't select a document
for editing based on having the wrong template attached.

I put a line in my pc's hosts file to give the new server an alias of
the old servername. This speeds things up tremendously, but VBA still
sees normal.dot as the attached template.

I'm still investigating; maybe I'll move my template location to where
the template is, or copy the template to my user or workgroup template
location. I presume the Projects people have suitable template locations
entered already, but I'll have to check.

I have entered searches in google but I haven't found anyone else
reporting this - perhaps the solution is obvious to everyone else ?

I'm afraid I'm a late night (UK) user only so I'll just have to collect
your ideas till tomorrow.

Regards
Mike Tope

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From mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com  Thu May 27 16:07:01 2004
From: mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:07:01 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3AC1D@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <00ac01c4442e$911b8220$0207a8c0@TopEnergy>

File Locations correct within Word ? Mine are of course correct but they're
not related to these users or these documents. There's a multitude of users,
and I have no desire to go round checking them out. And a multitude of
documents, but I've got hold of one to try out on my C: drive.

I know that with my template file locations, it ends up attached to
normal.dot. Then I set my User Templates path to the new location and the
document ended up attached to the Master.dot in that location. I saved, it
looked like it worked but remember that's manual.

You can't edit the Tools Templates AttachedTemplate thing back to the old
location so I reverted to the submitted copy of the document.

I run a "dir /s /b c:\temp\*.doc > docfiles.txt". I import that file into
Access and VBA runs through each document opening it in Word, then checking
the AttachedTemplate. I put in a line at the beginning to set my user
templates location. I can pick on documents that are attached to the new
server template location\Master.dot. The old server name is never seen from
VBA.

But I had some trouble getting the document to save. WdApp.Documents.Save or
WdApp.ActiveDocument.Save just didn't do it. I've now set a Document.Saved =
false just before. I could see the file was being saved. But when I opened
it in Word afterwards the attached template is still the old servername.

I put a bit in, if the attached template path is equal to the new server
name\path\master.dot, set the attached template path equal to the new server
name\path\master.dot. Sounds pointless, but does step through. Didn't
achieve it either.

But here's where it gets tricky now. Word is opened up visible from Access.
I can step into the code, and check out what Word sees. It comes up with the
old server name\path\master.dot in the attached template box (although VBA
reports the new one). I can see that changes to the new one when it is set
by the code. I can save the document myself and see Word doing it. The file
date is updated. The code saves the file too, and still I can see the new
server name in the box. Finish off the code, open Word, load the doc, and
it's back to the old server name.

Am I suffering from highly underintelligent disk cacheing ? I switched off
and came home. Tomorrow I will see whether it has in fact successfully
changed anything.

Thanks for any ideas anyone may have.
Mike Tope

----- Original Message -----
From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 27 May 2004 01:39
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing


> Just a guess, but are thefFile locations correct within word?
>
> Tools -> Options -> File Locations?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Tope [mailto:mike.tope at dsl.pipex.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2004 9:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] MS-Word template location missing
>
> Dear All
> I can't be the first to see this. What solutions are there ?
>
> MS Word stores a reference to the attached template inside its documents.
> Sounds like a good idea at first.
>
> Our projects people have over a period of years kept that template path on
a
> server that has now closed down (a year ago maybe). There is a new one,
> different server but actually a very similar path therein (but not in my
> User or Workgroup template paths).
>
> They've been using NT4 with Office 2000, loading up old documents just
fine.
> Now they're being given Windows XP with Office 2000, and their entire Word
> document back catalog is a disaster. Each document they complain about
(may
> not be all in any given location) takes minutes (five or ten) to open on
XP,
> but NT4 machines still seem just fine.
>
> Investigation so far shows that the local XP machine is tapping its heels,
> processor idle, for the duration. So it looks like maybe a DNS query is
> going out for the missing server and the response when it comes is
negative
> anyway. Whereas maybe NT4 didn't bother about doing all that and just used
a
> nearby normal.dot straightaway.
>
> Interrogated from an Access mdb using a WdApp object, it still takes just
> that long to open the document (with the switch/retry box up), but then
> reports that it's attached to normal.dot. I can look in the live
> Word/Tools/Templates&Addins, and the full URL of the missing template is
> visible, but VBA doesn't see that at all. So I can't select a document for
> editing based on having the wrong template attached.
>
> I put a line in my pc's hosts file to give the new server an alias of the
> old servername. This speeds things up tremendously, but VBA still sees
> normal.dot as the attached template.
>
> I'm still investigating; maybe I'll move my template location to where the
> template is, or copy the template to my user or workgroup template
location.
> I presume the Projects people have suitable template locations entered
> already, but I'll have to check.
>
> I have entered searches in google but I haven't found anyone else
reporting
> this - perhaps the solution is obvious to everyone else ?
>
> I'm afraid I'm a late night (UK) user only so I'll just have to collect
your
> ideas till tomorrow.
>
> Regards
> Mike Tope



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 28 07:58:01 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:58:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] partition magic and raid
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKECAFLAA.jwcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I now have twqo of my systems set up Raid 1 (mirror).  Unfortunately one was
extremely difficult to set up and I ended up with a single 120g partition
where I would prefer 3.  Does anyone know if Partition Magic can safely
manipulate partitions on a raid array?

JWC




From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 28 08:54:46 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:54:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Iomega Rev drives
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEGNGMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Anyone have, use, know someone else that uses one of the new Iomega Rev
drives?

John B.




From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Fri May 28 09:19:32 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:19:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] NT account problem
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB35@ALCUXB>

Hi all... bit of a strange one here.
 
We have two pc's that are exclusively used for internet access here. Until
this week, they had Win2K SP2 on them, and no further updates. After our
recent bout with Sasser, I've managed to upgradeone to SP4, IE6 sp1 and
apply all the microsoft updates to it. The other one is defying everything I
throw at it...
 
First of all it won't see the network. The domain is available to log on to
in the log-in screen, but when you try with a valid account, it says that
the comupter does not have an account on the domain (but it does on the
server), so you can't log on using a Domain admin account. I have the local
admin password, but things are locked out, so I can't get into the network
settings to remove the pc from the domain, power cycle it, then add it back
again. I've tried doing it from the server, to no avail. I can't get into
much at all, except gpedit.msc, and mmc, a lot of which isn't locked out...
does anyone know any way that I can get in and service pack this pc so we
don't get re-infected with anything? I'm really starting to seriously think
about chucking it out of a window...
 
Oh, reinstalling the OS isn't an option either - it has no CD-ROM, and can't
see any network shares :-(
 
 
Jon


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 28 09:31:06 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:31:06 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] NT account problem
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB35@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AB35@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <16827238637.20040528163106@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

> Oh, reinstalling the OS isn't an option either - it has no CD-ROM, and can't
> see any network shares :-(

1. Attach temporarily a cd-rom drive and reinstall.

or

2. If the machines are nearly identical, move temporarily the harddisk
to the working machine, create a mirror (Symantec Ghost or similar) of
the working harddisk, move the disk back.

/gustav



From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri May 28 09:36:51 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:36:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Iomega Rev drives
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEGNGMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <006b01c444c1$3737b0b0$082da8c0@D58BT131>

Just got one a week or so ago.  It includes backup software to allow for
compression.  One disk included in the package I received.  When the
additional disks (ordered from different source) get here we'll use it with
daily rotation and a Friday rotation.  Seems to be fairly quick.  No
attempts yet at a restore for testing.

Installed on 2003 server with no problems.

Perry Harold

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Iomega Rev drives


Anyone have, use, know someone else that uses one of the new Iomega Rev
drives?

John B.


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