From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  1 01:25:57 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:25:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Excel COM Add-In in VB.NET...
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4bfb4$36e4f690$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <001e01c4bfb4$36e4f690$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <1911045713.20041101082557@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Interesting indeed!

But what is the difference between two or three add-ins and one -
except that if one only it must hold more code? Is it simply the size
of an add-in that - when growing - causes the add-in to act more and
more unreliably?

/gustav


> Date: 2004-11-01 02:43

> Hi All.

> I've just finished converting three Excel Add-ins (.xla) from VBA to
> VB.NET -> COM Add-ins.

> What I can say?
> VS.NET 2003 is a great tool!

> Last summer I tried to combine two MS Excel add-ins into one, spent quite
> some time but in the end I found that the result can't be predicted - the
> more code I put into combined VBA Add-in for MS Excel the less were the
> chances that this code be stable at all. I stopped that efforts last summer
> because combined MS Excel started to gpf, it wasn't even possible to open
> VBA project....

> And with VB.NET it all works!
> The add-in uses DAO, ADO, several legacy COM components, MS XML Core
> Services etc. - no problem so far...

> To convert all that stuff totalling about 20,000 code lines took two+
> working days...

> I've packed all that into four .DLLs, they all communicate one with another,
> there is no duplicated code....

> MS forever!

> Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Nov  1 03:23:01 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:23:01 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Excel COM Add-In in VB.NET...
References: <001e01c4bfb4$36e4f690$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<1911045713.20041101082557@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002701c4bff4$63c50c00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> But what is the difference between two or three add-ins and one -
> except that if one only it must hold more code?
Gustav,

You can package them two or three of four or ... together - and sell them
for different price for your customers...
And it's easier (at least for me) to manage such code - the specific
features for each add-in are in its own .dll, common are in a common .dll
etc.

> it simply the size
> of an add-in that - when growing - causes the add-in to act more and
> more unreliably?
In MS Excel 2003 is takes 6 to 10 seconds to save the code on ~2GHz/1GB RAM
PC when I just click [Save] button.
And because the more code you put in it the less stable it becomes you have
to click [Save] often (of have AutoSave) - all that makes development a
crazy process especially when you forget to click [Save] and your add-in
GPFed...

In VB.NET it autosaves the code each time you run the Add-in and it takes
nothing to wait the compile.

And VB.NET's autocompile is just incredible - very quick, very useful: you
just see the list of errors in the task list, use F8 to switch between them
and code window follows these switching and as soon as you correct the
problem it's task list entry is removed...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Excel COM Add-In in VB.NET...


> Hi Shamil
>
> Interesting indeed!
>
> But what is the difference between two or three add-ins and one -
> except that if one only it must hold more code? Is it simply the size
> of an add-in that - when growing - causes the add-in to act more and
> more unreliably?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Date: 2004-11-01 02:43
>
> > Hi All.
>
> > I've just finished converting three Excel Add-ins (.xla) from VBA to
> > VB.NET -> COM Add-ins.
>
> > What I can say?
> > VS.NET 2003 is a great tool!
>
> > Last summer I tried to combine two MS Excel add-ins into one, spent
quite
> > some time but in the end I found that the result can't be predicted -
the
> > more code I put into combined VBA Add-in for MS Excel the less were the
> > chances that this code be stable at all. I stopped that efforts last
summer
> > because combined MS Excel started to gpf, it wasn't even possible to
open
> > VBA project....
>
> > And with VB.NET it all works!
> > The add-in uses DAO, ADO, several legacy COM components, MS XML Core
> > Services etc. - no problem so far...
>
> > To convert all that stuff totalling about 20,000 code lines took two+
> > working days...
>
> > I've packed all that into four .DLLs, they all communicate one with
another,
> > there is no duplicated code....
>
> > MS forever!
>
> > Shamil
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  1 11:52:49 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:52:49 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04103119461b2141a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAENNGBAA.john@winhaven.net>

I don't use an ipod either but you know my Mac guy does!
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ipod


I have a Muvo2 gutted and replaced w/ CF 512.  The audio quality is
just awesome. so when I get ready to purchase a hdd version, I will be
getting the Zen Jukebox Xtra as well, NOT an Ipod.


On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:52:11 -0600, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> IIRC I read that HP's IPOD is via a reseller's agreement with Apple. So,
if
> true, it's the same device. Apple didn't release the ipod for windows
right
> away and by the time they did it had plenty of competition so apparently
> HP's need for a device and Apple's need for an established PC channel
melded
> well.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: dba-tech
> Cc: off topic list
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod
>
> Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions?
>
> Rocky
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 12:31:42 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:31:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] I Can't Open Msg About freelanceworkexchange
In-Reply-To: <41847AF3.6040309@shaw.ca>
References: <41840ED6.1030608@torchlake.com> <41847AF3.6040309@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <b874372a0411011031126bd3f1@mail.gmail.com>

works fine here w/ FireFox and IE 6sp1


On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:41:07 -0700, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I opened it okay in Netscape 7.01
> 
> 
> 
> Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Every time I try to open one of the messages with the subject line
> > "[dba-Tech]http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/"
> > my browser closes.  I'm using Netscape 7.02.
> >
> > Next time I see one of those messages, I'll try a different browser.
> > Anybody have any idea why this might be happening?
> >
> > Hmmmmm,
> > Tina
> >
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> >
> 
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
> 
> 
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 13:17:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:17:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties in
	adp tables?
In-Reply-To: <51291517.20041029084231@cactus.dk>
References: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<51291517.20041029084231@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a041101111754440c06@mail.gmail.com>

Shamil,
  I don't believe this property is available.  Your tables are all Sql
in an ADP thus you'd need to run a sproc/view that will select the
column property.  So in a word it's not accessible via code in that
way, you MUST go through the sql server engine to gain any information
reguarding the tables.


On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:42:31 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Shamil
> 
> Why not address this to the AccessD list?
> Seems right "on topic" to me ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Date: 2004-10-28 21:53
> 
> 
> 
> > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious?
> 
> > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines:
> 
> > Dim dbs As DAO.Database
> > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> > Dim prp As DAO.Property
> >     Set dbs = CurrentDb
> >     Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest")
> >     Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource")
> >     Debug.Print prp.Value
> 
> > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp?
> 
> > TIA for any help,
> > Shamil
> 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Nov  1 13:49:25 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:49:25 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties
	inadp tables?
References: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><51291517.20041029084231@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a041101111754440c06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4c04b$e5670270$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Francisco,

The answer is ::fn_listextendedproperty.
It can be used in ado recordset opened via VBA code.
BOL has good descripton of this UDF.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties
inadp tables?


> Shamil,
>   I don't believe this property is available.  Your tables are all Sql
> in an ADP thus you'd need to run a sproc/view that will select the
> column property.  So in a word it's not accessible via code in that
> way, you MUST go through the sql server engine to gain any information
> reguarding the tables.
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:42:31 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > Why not address this to the AccessD list?
> > Seems right "on topic" to me ...
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > > Date: 2004-10-28 21:53
> >
> >
> >
> > > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious?
> >
> > > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup
defines:
> >
> > > Dim dbs As DAO.Database
> > > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> > > Dim prp As DAO.Property
> > >     Set dbs = CurrentDb
> > >     Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest")
> > >     Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource")
> > >     Debug.Print prp.Value
> >
> > > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp?
> >
> > > TIA for any help,
> > > Shamil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
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jargon</a>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 14:33:59 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:33:59 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties
	inadp tables?
In-Reply-To: <001001c4c04b$e5670270$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<51291517.20041029084231@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a041101111754440c06@mail.gmail.com>
	<001001c4c04b$e5670270$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <b874372a04110112334c50630@mail.gmail.com>

yes, but it goes throught Sql engine, and if you don't give your users
enough rights they wouldn't be able to read it (iirc).


On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:49:25 +0300, Shamil Salakhetdinov
<shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> Francisco,
> 
> The answer is ::fn_listextendedproperty.
> It can be used in ado recordset opened via VBA code.
> BOL has good descripton of this UDF.
> 
> Shamil
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties
> inadp tables?
> 
> 
> > Shamil,
> >   I don't believe this property is available.  Your tables are all Sql
> > in an ADP thus you'd need to run a sproc/view that will select the
> > column property.  So in a word it's not accessible via code in that
> > way, you MUST go through the sql server engine to gain any information
> > reguarding the tables.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:42:31 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi Shamil
> > >
> > > Why not address this to the AccessD list?
> > > Seems right "on topic" to me ...
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > > Date: 2004-10-28 21:53
> 
> 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious?
> > >
> > > > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup
> defines:
> > >
> > > > Dim dbs As DAO.Database
> > > > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
> > > > Dim prp As DAO.Property
> > > >     Set dbs = CurrentDb
> > > >     Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest")
> > > >     Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource")
> > > >     Debug.Print prp.Value
> > >
> > > > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp?
> > >
> > > > TIA for any help,
> > > > Shamil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > <a href="http://pcthis.blogspot.com">Pc This! pc news with out the
> jargon</a>
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> 
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Mon Nov  1 15:06:39 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:06:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod
In-Reply-To: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHOEFAEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Go iRiver.

I read recently it is iPod's biggest competitor, even though it has a much
smaller market share.

When I went out looking for mp3 players, I went to Best Buy, and took a look
at what they had. (This was about 2 years ago).  Almost everything I saw
looked close to the $2 per meg level (if you were getting solid
state.....versus a hard drive, didn't see any harddrive ones, but they are
cheaper on space).  The iRiver was closer to the $1 per meg level.  I ended
up with an iRiver with 128 megs of space.

http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/iFP-180t.aspx

Their site has it at $99 right now, but it was $140 when I first bought it.

I think I got a deal.  I love it.  First, it's very durable (though I must
admit, the battery 'latch' busted on me, but I just put a little peice of
tape to hold it closed....not really necessary unless I am walking with it
dangling from my neck).  It is both an mp3 player, FM radio, and recorder
(it can record with it's internal microphone, or record from the radio).
Runs on 1 AA battery, for about 20 hours (I've had it run about 26 to 30
hours on the e squared energizers, and I get about 16 hours out of the
REALLY cheap batteries I get from Big Lots (about $1.75 for a pack of 4).).

The only feature I didn't really like, is that it uses a proprietary cable
(USB on one end, special connection on the other).  You can use it's 128
megs as a plain old file transfer memory stick, but to do that, you need the
cable in both places, so you either carry the cable, or buy a second cable.
When I first got mine, they didn't have extra cables available yet, they do
now, but it's a moot point, since I can transfer data from home to work at
screaming speeds now.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:28 AM
To: dba-tech
Cc: off topic list
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod


Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions?

Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  1 17:29:04 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:29:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger
In-Reply-To: <275240275.20041030112459@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c4c06a$991f53d0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

THAT is cool.  And cheap too.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger


Hi Rocky

If you really want to physically kill the bloat of Windows XP:

  http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html

/gustav


> Thanks.  Messenger has been shot.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov  3 08:27:19 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:27:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
Message-ID: <20041103152716.B062E25052B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

A question for the European contingent.

Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access number
which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as possible) and will give us
multiple email accounts which we can access either via Outlook Express or a
web-based client?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  3 10:24:59 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:24:59 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
References: <20041103152716.B062E25052B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <051b01c4c1c1$aa5e4450$6701a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy:

An alternative might be to get a cheap international service.  I'm using 
Primus, not as my primary long distance but just for international.  US to 
Taiwan is about $.06 a minute.  About the same or less to Europe.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP


>A question for the European contingent.
>
> Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access number
> which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as possible) and will give us
> multiple email accounts which we can access either via Outlook Express or 
> a
> web-based client?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  3 10:57:13 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:57:13 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
In-Reply-To: <051b01c4c1c1$aa5e4450$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <20041103152716.B062E25052B@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<051b01c4c1c1$aa5e4450$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3133303778.20041103175713@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

We recommend the former IBM Global Network, now AT&T:

  http://www.business.att.com/default/?pageid=bt_home&branchid=bt

If this is for a professional client, I would separate the dial-up
access and the pop3 mail service.

/gustav


>> Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access number
>> which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as possible) and will give us
>> multiple email accounts which we can access either via Outlook Express or 
>> a
>> web-based client?
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov  3 09:59:10 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:59:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
Message-ID: <20041103165907.33323251B49@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I do similarly Rocky, but I'm talking here about someone from the company
who is on the move around Europe so could be accessing from any country. I
don't know about your Primus but the ones I use are a) linked to my home
phone no and b) call to overseas but not from overseas.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
Date: 03/11/04 16:26

>
> Andy:
>
> An alternative might be to get a cheap international service.  I'm using
> Primus, not as my primary long distance but just for international.  US to
> Taiwan is about $.06 a minute.  About the same or less to Europe.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: &quot;Dba Tech&quot; &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt;
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:27 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
>
>
> &gt;A question for the European contingent.
> &gt;
> &gt; Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access
number
> &gt; which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as possible) and will
give us
> &gt; multiple email accounts which we can access either via Outlook
Express or
> &gt; a
> &gt; web-based client?
> &gt;
> &gt; --
> &gt; Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov  3 14:22:45 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:22:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B54D7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

In the old days UUNEt had that service.
But I don't know who purchased uunet, posibly Scarlet.

Erwin 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:27 PM
To: Dba Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP

A question for the European contingent.

Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access number
which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as possible) and will give
us multiple email accounts which we can access either via Outlook
Express or a web-based client?

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov  3 15:04:55 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:04:55 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
In-Reply-To: <3133303778.20041103175713@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000c01c4c1e8$c57ec710$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Gustav I'll take a look.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: 03 November 2004 16:57
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pan-European ISP
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> We recommend the former IBM Global Network, now AT&T:
> 
>   http://www.business.att.com/default/?pageid=bt_home&branchid=bt
> 
> If this is for a professional client, I would separate the 
> dial-up access and the pop3 mail service.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >> Who would you recommend as an ISP that will have a dial-up access 
> >> number which will work all over Europe (as cheaply as 
> possible) and 
> >> will give us multiple email accounts which we can access 
> either via 
> >> Outlook Express or a web-based client?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Lacey
> >> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov  3 19:16:49 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:16:49 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases
In-Reply-To: <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEIJGBAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost>
	<003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
	<001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<b874372a04102708516133000b@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<e04a6c920410270920340df95b@mail.gmail.com>
	<000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<417FD657.1000909@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20041103191649.1115134304.serbach@new.rr.com>

Arthur,

I had another thought on your idea of recording positions: Forsyth Notation. The maximum number of characters (bytes) needed to record an entire position is 64. The minimum number is 10. Positions are recorded using upper case letters for the White pieces and lower case letters for the Black pieces. For example, here's the final position from the "Shower of Gold" game (no, not 'golden showers!' Sheesh!), Levitsky - Marshall, Breslau, 1912:

5rk1
pp4pp
4p3
2R3Q1
3n4
6qr
P1P2PPP
5RK1

The numbers represent the number of empty squares between pieces in a rank beginning from the a-file. So, the first line above, "5rk1," means that on the 8th rank there are 5 empty squares, a8-e8, a black rook (lower case letters for black pieces) on f8, the black king on g8, and an empty h8 square.

I don't know if this helps you. The rows can certainly be separated by, say, semicolons or slashes instead of returns. This notation at least has the advantage of quick readability.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov  5 12:06:55 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:06:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: [AccessD] Form creep bug
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIECOGCAA.john@winhaven.net>

> Does anyone remember any details about the bug that makes access 
> forms creep
> a little bit to to the side of the screen until the close button 
> is hidden?
> Was that Access or some form resizer control/method or what?
> 
> John B.




From artful at rogers.com  Sat Nov  6 10:32:41 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:32:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases
In-Reply-To: <00e601c4bc90$bd07bd10$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33902@nprdex02.nns.com>	<41804180.2050007@rogers.com>
	<00e601c4bc90$bd07bd10$6701a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <418CFCA9.7030806@rogers.com>

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

> Arthur:
>
> I might use an array of 32 bytes where each byte represents a square 
> on the board and the contents of that byte describes the piece , if 
> any, occupying that square.
>
> If you want to get into bit twiddling, it could probably be done in 
> less than 32 bytes.  There are 6 different pieces, yes, pawn, rook, 
> knight, bishop, queen, king.  and two colors. So it seems that the 
> numbers 1 through 12 could represent all the pieces of both colors.
>
> Rocky
>
Nice compaction, but perhaps a little too nice. How to represent 64 
squares in 32 bytes, according to your formula? In addition, I'm not 
quite sure how your proposed scheme would handle an ambiguous move. A 
simple example (not to argue its strategic merits!)... Using old 
notation because it's easier to visualize:

W:  P to QB4
B: P to K4
W: P to K4
B: P to Q4

At this point W could take the P at Q4 using either P.



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Nov  8 08:00:16 2004
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:00:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE 
Message-ID: <418F7BF0.8000701@torchlake.com>

Hi friends,

I am so unsure of myself with networking!  I did fine getting the WinXP 
boxes up, but, oh boy!

Here's the situation:  I recently took the leap to buying wireless 
broadband service from my ISP.  Setting up the WinXP boxes was easy.  I 
have two desktop and one laptop Win98SE machines to set up, and have 
already learned that they will not work for wireless (why not?), but 
should work with a cable connection from my wireless firewall router. 
 Climbing through what literature I have on Win98SE networking, I am 
quite frustrated and so far lost.  I am hoping Francisco will see this 
sad plea for help and tell me what I must do.  Someone said I need to 
create a VPN for Win98SE, and I started down tha road, but got lost.

Once I get rescued on the Win98SE boxes, I have to tackle the laptop 
Win2KPro box.  It also has options and settings I don't recognize.  It 
was happily accepting a configuration for peer-to-peer hook-up, but not 
infrastructure hook-up.  I found it was missing two required dll files 
and I have downloaded them.  I will plop them into place and see if that 
fixes things.  But, I may be back with more plaintive pleading.

Thanks for any help at all!

Best regards,
Tina



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon Nov  8 08:04:51 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:04:51 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE 
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B376@ALCUXB>

Hi Tina

I had no problems with a wireless network on my win98se pc... stuck the card
in, loaded the drivers and we're away. My dad's laptop runs 98 on wireless
too. It was when I upgraded to 2k that I had lots of problems, but that was
due to poor IRQ assignments in 2k.

What have you done so far?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com]
Sent: 08 November 2004 14:00
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE 


Hi friends,

I am so unsure of myself with networking!  I did fine getting the WinXP 
boxes up, but, oh boy!

Here's the situation:  I recently took the leap to buying wireless 
broadband service from my ISP.  Setting up the WinXP boxes was easy.  I 
have two desktop and one laptop Win98SE machines to set up, and have 
already learned that they will not work for wireless (why not?), but 
should work with a cable connection from my wireless firewall router. 
 Climbing through what literature I have on Win98SE networking, I am 
quite frustrated and so far lost.  I am hoping Francisco will see this 
sad plea for help and tell me what I must do.  Someone said I need to 
create a VPN for Win98SE, and I started down tha road, but got lost.

Once I get rescued on the Win98SE boxes, I have to tackle the laptop 
Win2KPro box.  It also has options and settings I don't recognize.  It 
was happily accepting a configuration for peer-to-peer hook-up, but not 
infrastructure hook-up.  I found it was missing two required dll files 
and I have downloaded them.  I will plop them into place and see if that 
fixes things.  But, I may be back with more plaintive pleading.

Thanks for any help at all!

Best regards,
Tina

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Nov  8 09:23:28 2004
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:23:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B376@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <418F8F70.2060203@torchlake.com>

Hi Jon,
Thanks for the comeback.  My dad's Win98SE laptop is one of the boxes 
I'm struggling with.  It is second-hand and has no CD drive.  

First, I tried the D-Link wireless card  (DWL-G630 rev C) and fussed 
around to get the software for the card onto my Iomega Zip Drive, and 
plugged that into the USB port on his laptop (I set up that software 
long ago to get around the lack of a CD drive).  Installation appeared 
to go correctly.  But, when I rebooted the box, I consistently got two 
messages:  One told me a command was linked to the missing 
IPHLPAPI.dll:GetPerAdapterInfo, the other told me a device attached to 
the system was not functioning.  These messages were tied to the attempt 
to run the AirPlus utility file for configuring the card.  

I learned from the codeproject website that GetPerAdapterInfo was not 
supported in Windows prior to Win2K.  So, it seemed to me that the 
D-Link software was making a function call that Win98SE did not 
recognize.  I contacted D-Link's e-mail tech support, at that time not 
sure whether the Win98 we had was first edition or second edition (later 
established it is second edition).  The only response I got from them 
was that wireless was not supported for Win98FE.  I called their 
telephone support and went down the road again, this time assuring them 
that it was Win98SE.  They couldn't find anyone in their support team 
who understood what was wrong - several times they just said many of 
them had installed what I was trying to install on Win98SE boxes with no 
difficulty at all.  I went back to the e-mail tech support and let them 
know I was dealing with Win98SE - they replied it would be better for me 
to talk to a live tech support person and gave me the toll-free number. 
 I talked with some local guys at the ISP, who were pretty well 
convinced that the wireless technology was the problem.

So I uninstalled all the DWL-G630 software and bought an appropriate 
D-Link ethernet card and some CAT-5 cable.  I put the software from the 
new card (DFE-690TXD) onto my Iomega Zip Drive, and plugged that into 
the USB port on his laptop I tried to install the drivers from there.  I 
got a message box saying it had installed the drivers, but it didn't 
install any utilities that I can make out.  I have no handle on the 
supposedly installed drivers.  I have no way to ask the card to 
acknowledge the network it is now plugged into.  Supposedly, the New 
Hardware Wizard would recognize the card, after I first install the 
drivers, then shut down, insert the card and reboot.  It sort of did - 
it said it did, but I can't get hold of anything to configure it.  Maybe 
some part of the installation software didn't get copied onto my Zip 
drive.  There's a lot of software on the CD that I am sure I don't need, 
but perhaps I missed something I did need.  I will go back at that.

However, if I have the correct drivers in place, shouldn't I be able to 
use Win98SE's own networking stuff to get the job done?  Since I am such 
a newbie when it comes to networking, I thought I'd better call for 
help.  I've already spent lots of hours learnig a gazillion things that 
don't work!

Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:

>Hi Tina
>
>I had no problems with a wireless network on my win98se pc... stuck the card
>in, loaded the drivers and we're away. My dad's laptop runs 98 on wireless
>too. It was when I upgraded to 2k that I had lots of problems, but that was
>due to poor IRQ assignments in 2k.
>
>What have you done so far?
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com]
>Sent: 08 November 2004 14:00
>To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE 
>
>
>Hi friends,
>
>I am so unsure of myself with networking!  I did fine getting the WinXP 
>boxes up, but, oh boy!
>
>Here's the situation:  I recently took the leap to buying wireless 
>broadband service from my ISP.  Setting up the WinXP boxes was easy.  I 
>have two desktop and one laptop Win98SE machines to set up, and have 
>already learned that they will not work for wireless (why not?), but 
>should work with a cable connection from my wireless firewall router. 
> Climbing through what literature I have on Win98SE networking, I am 
>quite frustrated and so far lost.  I am hoping Francisco will see this 
>sad plea for help and tell me what I must do.  Someone said I need to 
>create a VPN for Win98SE, and I started down tha road, but got lost.
>
>Once I get rescued on the Win98SE boxes, I have to tackle the laptop 
>Win2KPro box.  It also has options and settings I don't recognize.  It 
>was happily accepting a configuration for peer-to-peer hook-up, but not 
>infrastructure hook-up.  I found it was missing two required dll files 
>and I have downloaded them.  I will plop them into place and see if that 
>fixes things.  But, I may be back with more plaintive pleading.
>
>Thanks for any help at all!
>
>Best regards,
>Tina
>
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Mon Nov  8 10:01:54 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:01:54 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B382@ALCUXB>

Right, let's see... The laptop *should* work with just the driver, unless
there are security issues - ie WEP encryption and stuff, or having to use a
different channel (although I think it should work that out for itself). I'm
kind of in the dark here as the cards and access point I use are all
Netgear.

I'd say the first thing to do would be to check on the cd that the drivers
are definitely compatible with Win98SE, and download the latest version from
their website (assuming they let you do that), copy the whole zip file to
the laptop, it should contain everything that you need.

Give that a go, and see what happens, let me know tomorrow (I'm off home
now!)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com]
Sent: 08 November 2004 15:23
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Issues with Win98SE


Hi Jon,
Thanks for the comeback.  My dad's Win98SE laptop is one of the boxes 
I'm struggling with.  It is second-hand and has no CD drive.  

First, I tried the D-Link wireless card  (DWL-G630 rev C) and fussed 
around to get the software for the card onto my Iomega Zip Drive, and 
plugged that into the USB port on his laptop (I set up that software 
long ago to get around the lack of a CD drive).  Installation appeared 
to go correctly.  But, when I rebooted the box, I consistently got two 
messages:  One told me a command was linked to the missing 
IPHLPAPI.dll:GetPerAdapterInfo, the other told me a device attached to 
the system was not functioning.  These messages were tied to the attempt 
to run the AirPlus utility file for configuring the card.  

I learned from the codeproject website that GetPerAdapterInfo was not 
supported in Windows prior to Win2K.  So, it seemed to me that the 
D-Link software was making a function call that Win98SE did not 
recognize.  I contacted D-Link's e-mail tech support, at that time not 
sure whether the Win98 we had was first edition or second edition (later 
established it is second edition).  The only response I got from them 
was that wireless was not supported for Win98FE.  I called their 
telephone support and went down the road again, this time assuring them 
that it was Win98SE.  They couldn't find anyone in their support team 
who understood what was wrong - several times they just said many of 
them had installed what I was trying to install on Win98SE boxes with no 
difficulty at all.  I went back to the e-mail tech support and let them 
know I was dealing with Win98SE - they replied it would be better for me 
to talk to a live tech support person and gave me the toll-free number. 
 I talked with some local guys at the ISP, who were pretty well 
convinced that the wireless technology was the problem.

So I uninstalled all the DWL-G630 software and bought an appropriate 
D-Link ethernet card and some CAT-5 cable.  I put the software from the 
new card (DFE-690TXD) onto my Iomega Zip Drive, and plugged that into 
the USB port on his laptop I tried to install the drivers from there.  I 
got a message box saying it had installed the drivers, but it didn't 
install any utilities that I can make out.  I have no handle on the 
supposedly installed drivers.  I have no way to ask the card to 
acknowledge the network it is now plugged into.  Supposedly, the New 
Hardware Wizard would recognize the card, after I first install the 
drivers, then shut down, insert the card and reboot.  It sort of did - 
it said it did, but I can't get hold of anything to configure it.  Maybe 
some part of the installation software didn't get copied onto my Zip 
drive.  There's a lot of software on the CD that I am sure I don't need, 
but perhaps I missed something I did need.  I will go back at that.

However, if I have the correct drivers in place, shouldn't I be able to 
use Win98SE's own networking stuff to get the job done?  Since I am such 
a newbie when it comes to networking, I thought I'd better call for 
help.  I've already spent lots of hours learnig a gazillion things that 
don't work!

Tina

Jon Tydda wrote:

>Hi Tina
>
>I had no problems with a wireless network on my win98se pc... stuck the
card
>in, loaded the drivers and we're away. My dad's laptop runs 98 on wireless
>too. It was when I upgraded to 2k that I had lots of problems, but that was
>due to poor IRQ assignments in 2k.
>
>What have you done so far?
>
>
>Jon


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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Mon Nov  8 18:18:09 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:18:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B382@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPBEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew




From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Nov  8 18:30:24 2004
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:30:24 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPBEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <20041109003029.C144A40254@omta18.mta.everyone.net>

Can't help with your request, but do have a connection solution if she will be using less than 10 hours a month.
http://www.access4free.com
is what I use when I'm away from my broadband with my laptop, and need to do a quick check of my email.

At least that will get her started til you solve your problem.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 08 Nov 2004 4:18 pm
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on 
> where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell 
> phone, and cell phone only for a while.  Her budget is very 
> tight.  She has a computer (actually a little better then my 
> home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She 
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like 
> internet connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be 
> able to just email her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap 
> dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb 
> down, and 384kb up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which 
> has Routing and Remote Access, so I can actually connect her 
> to my network, and thus out to the internet, through RAS.  
> That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working 
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no 
> reason for me to have 2.  The second line would be just for 
> her, and would also be more expensive then her just getting 
> dialup. If I connect my home phone to my server, however, it 
> will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because then I 
> lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What 
> I need to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller 
> id (which I have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to 
> call me, she can call me with her cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is 
> the limit of what I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  8 18:51:29 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPBEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <002101c4c5f6$43038f70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 03:22:56 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:22:56 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B38C@ALCUXB>

I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 03:49:03 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:49:03 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B391@ALCUXB>

Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
 
I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
machines...
 
I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be pretty
standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of add-ins
automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
 
 
Jon


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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov  9 05:23:21 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B38C@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPEEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From mark.breen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 05:29:54 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:29:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPEEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B38C@ALCUXB>
	<HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPEEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04110903295b23aa4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her
move in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
> 
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
> 
> Or just google pringle antenna
> 
> Other useful places.
> 
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
> 
> This stuff actually works
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
> cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
> I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew
> 
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 05:32:46 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:32:46 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B3A5@ALCUXB>

LOL, brilliant Mark :-)

Actually Drew, you won't even have to marry her if you ask properly!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 11:30
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her
move in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
> 
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
> 
> Or just google pringle antenna
> 
> Other useful places.
> 
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
> 
> This stuff actually works
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
her
> cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
what
> I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew
> 
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov  9 05:35:43 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:35:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04110903295b23aa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEPFEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Okay, this is going OT! <grin>

I do love her, she is my best friend, but quite frankly, a relationship
beyond friendship isn't going to work, we both know that.  She has a
boyfriend now, and is quite happy (as I am for her!), so that option is out.

Come on now people, I thought this was the tech list!  Am I going to have to
figure this out all on my own?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her
move in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  9 05:38:31 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:38:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPEEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4c650$aa934cc0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Nope, 300 Yrds is not far at all.  These are suppose to be good for a mile
or more.  Line of sight is important though.  No buildings between you, or
at least no office buildings.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  9 06:16:59 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:16:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEPFEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4c656$0618eb40$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Drew,

Seriously consider the directional antenna.  Students use these to link to
campus a mile or more away.  

Telephony:
1) another phone line for you
2) Tie up her phone, plus it is cellular.
3) The modems to do it.
3) getting it set up.
4) VERY slow speed (expect 24kbit reliably)

Wireless:
1) a nic on her end ($30-40)
2) a router on your end ($60 or less after rebates)
3) you end up with a "firewall"
4) She ends up with 54mbit / your internet speed

Think about doing it!  You can even buy VERY HIGH GAIN antennas for $125 or
so, but the coffee can thing is enough for your use.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, this is going OT! <grin>

I do love her, she is my best friend, but quite frankly, a relationship
beyond friendship isn't going to work, we both know that.  She has a
boyfriend now, and is quite happy (as I am for her!), so that option is out.

Come on now people, I thought this was the tech list!  Am I going to have to
figure this out all on my own?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her move
in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 
> yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards 
> is quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external 
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to 
> her wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has 
> screaming internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to 
> start. I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and 
> cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a 
> little better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the 
> internet.  She doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet 
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email 
> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, 
> and that's money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the 
> internet, through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no 
> modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for 
> me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more 
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to 
> my server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, 
> because then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  
> What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I 
> have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call 
> me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit 
> of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are 
> subject to the legal notice available on request from : 
> webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division 
> of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill 
> Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 06:19:33 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:19:33 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E14@ALCUXB>

Yeah, plus I bet you're itching to actually build a pringles can antenna
like the rest of us are, just waiting for an excuse :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 12:17
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Drew,

Seriously consider the directional antenna.  Students use these to link to
campus a mile or more away.  

Telephony:
1) another phone line for you
2) Tie up her phone, plus it is cellular.
3) The modems to do it.
3) getting it set up.
4) VERY slow speed (expect 24kbit reliably)

Wireless:
1) a nic on her end ($30-40)
2) a router on your end ($60 or less after rebates)
3) you end up with a "firewall"
4) She ends up with 54mbit / your internet speed

Think about doing it!  You can even buy VERY HIGH GAIN antennas for $125 or
so, but the coffee can thing is enough for your use.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, this is going OT! <grin>

I do love her, she is my best friend, but quite frankly, a relationship
beyond friendship isn't going to work, we both know that.  She has a
boyfriend now, and is quite happy (as I am for her!), so that option is out.

Come on now people, I thought this was the tech list!  Am I going to have to
figure this out all on my own?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her move
in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 
> yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards 
> is quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external 
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to 
> her wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has 
> screaming internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to 
> start. I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and 
> cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a 
> little better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the 
> internet.  She doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet 
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email 
> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, 
> and that's money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the 
> internet, through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no 
> modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for 
> me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more 
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to 
> my server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, 
> because then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  
> What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I 
> have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call 
> me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit 
> of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  9 06:30:07 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:30:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E14@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <001301c4c657$dd4caa60$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  I don't have a use for one or I'd have one already ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:20 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Yeah, plus I bet you're itching to actually build a pringles can antenna
like the rest of us are, just waiting for an excuse :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 12:17
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Drew,

Seriously consider the directional antenna.  Students use these to link to
campus a mile or more away.  

Telephony:
1) another phone line for you
2) Tie up her phone, plus it is cellular.
3) The modems to do it.
3) getting it set up.
4) VERY slow speed (expect 24kbit reliably)

Wireless:
1) a nic on her end ($30-40)
2) a router on your end ($60 or less after rebates)
3) you end up with a "firewall"
4) She ends up with 54mbit / your internet speed

Think about doing it!  You can even buy VERY HIGH GAIN antennas for $125 or
so, but the coffee can thing is enough for your use.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, this is going OT! <grin>

I do love her, she is my best friend, but quite frankly, a relationship
beyond friendship isn't going to work, we both know that.  She has a
boyfriend now, and is quite happy (as I am for her!), so that option is out.

Come on now people, I thought this was the tech list!  Am I going to have to
figure this out all on my own?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her move
in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300
> yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards
> is quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to 
> her wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has 
> screaming internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to
> start. I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and 
> cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a
> little better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the 
> internet.  She doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email 
> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, 
> and that's money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the
> internet, through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no 
> modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for
> me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to 
> my server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, 
> because then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  
> What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I
> have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call 
> me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit
> of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov  9 06:45:15 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:45:15 -0500 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33924@nprdex02.nns.com>

It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
http://www.wifi-shootout.com/


Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Nov  9 07:32:57 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:32:57 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33924@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c4c660$a17f96b0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Mark,

Mark, I'm interested in that too because I've 802.11b router and wireless
card...
This link http://www.wifi-shootout.com/ doesn't work here :(
Pinging it works OK (~20ms) but I can't get shown in IE.
What is its full URL?

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


> It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
> http://www.wifi-shootout.com/
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov  9 07:52:30 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:52:30 -0500 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33926@nprdex02.nns.com>

Shamil, 

This competition is definitely on "the edge", and not suited for practical
application.  The competition, IIRC, was held in the desert to achieve the
greatest possible line-of-site.  Sadly, I don't think this contest website
contains any actual technical data...it is just a recap of the competition.
http://www.wifi-shootout.com/home.html

HTH,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Mark,

Mark, I'm interested in that too because I've 802.11b router and wireless
card...
This link http://www.wifi-shootout.com/ doesn't work here :(
Pinging it works OK (~20ms) but I can't get shown in IE.
What is its full URL?

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


> It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
> http://www.wifi-shootout.com/
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Nov  9 10:06:37 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:06:37 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33926@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <004401c4c676$2b51acb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Thanks for the info, Mark,

The URL still doesn't work here.
No problem if it doesn't have a practical application.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


> Shamil,
>
> This competition is definitely on "the edge", and not suited for practical
> application.  The competition, IIRC, was held in the desert to achieve the
> greatest possible line-of-site.  Sadly, I don't think this contest website
> contains any actual technical data...it is just a recap of the
competition.
> http://www.wifi-shootout.com/home.html
>
> HTH,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Mark, I'm interested in that too because I've 802.11b router and wireless
> card...
> This link http://www.wifi-shootout.com/ doesn't work here :(
> Pinging it works OK (~20ms) but I can't get shown in IE.
> What is its full URL?
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> > It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
> > http://www.wifi-shootout.com/
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards
is
> > quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> > antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to
her
> > wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has
screaming
> > internet access.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> > http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
> >
> > Or just google pringle antenna
> >
> > Other useful places.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
> >
> > This stuff actually works
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> > I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world
lives
> > about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
> for
> > a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a
little
> > better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> > doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> >
> > Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> > connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email
her
> > sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and
that's
> > money she can barely spend.
> >
> > I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
> 384kb
> > up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
> Access,
> > so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the
internet,
> > through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
> working
> > on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for
me
> to
> > have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> > expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> > server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying,
because
> > then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
> need
> > to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> > matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
> her
> > cell).
> >
> > Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
> what
> > I know on this subject.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject
> > to the legal notice available on request from :
webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk
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> > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ.
> > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov  9 10:09:25 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:09:25 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B3A5@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHIEPJEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Again, good plan, but she has a boyfriend, and I'm pretty sure we wouldn't
be able to 'live' together.

On the other hand, she knows I would marry her simply for her cooking.  Man,
I'm telling you, that woman can cook.  I'm a very picky eater, and she has
gotten me to eat things I would have never tried before!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:33 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


LOL, brilliant Mark :-)

Actually Drew, you won't even have to marry her if you ask properly!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 11:30
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her
move in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
> quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
> wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
> internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited.
> Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ.
> Registered in England and Wales No 4057291
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov  9 10:10:29 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:10:29 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <001101c4c650$aa934cc0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEPJEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Up, well that shoots this plan, we are both in apartment complexes, so there
are about 3 or 4 buildings in between.

So, how do you do the telephony stuff?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Nope, 300 Yrds is not far at all.  These are suppose to be good for a mile
or more.  Line of sight is important though.  No buildings between you, or
at least no office buildings.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300 yards.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
internet access.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html

Or just google pringle antenna

Other useful places.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp

This stuff actually works

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only for
a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.

Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
money she can barely spend.

I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and 384kb
up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote Access,
so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm working
on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me to
have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I need
to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with her
cell).

Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of what
I know on this subject.

Drew


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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov  9 10:17:45 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:17:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <001201c4c656$0618eb40$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHIEPKEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Telephony:

1) My question was trying to find a way to AVOID having a second line.  A
second line is not economically sound.
2) Wondering if you read my post.  She is getting a land line.  Normal
phone.  That is what she wants to dial out on.
3) She has a modem, i can get one.  I need one with callerID, but that isn't
bad.
4) Actually already have RAS setup.  Connecting is simple.  I just have to
figure out the 'ignore' if it's not her part!
5) True, slow on her end.  But slow is better then nothing.  She does very
little, other then web email, and looking for recipes online.  Dialup is
fine.  If she really needs speed, she can just come over to my place!

Wireless:
1) Not a good one. <grin>  Though I guess 40 to 45 works.
2) Already have one. Works great, been using it for months.
3) I've had a firewall at home for a LONG time (4 or 5 years).  It was
ZoneAlarm, but now I do use my router's firewall.
4) She doesn't need 54 megabit (actually, my wireless is 108 mb, but that
would probably have to definitely be closer.).  Unless she REALLY wanted to
surf the porn I have, there would be no point, because everything else on my
home machine is databases, web pages, or vb source.  She just needs internet
access, and dialup speeds work fine.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:17 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Drew,

Seriously consider the directional antenna.  Students use these to link to
campus a mile or more away.

Telephony:
1) another phone line for you
2) Tie up her phone, plus it is cellular.
3) The modems to do it.
3) getting it set up.
4) VERY slow speed (expect 24kbit reliably)

Wireless:
1) a nic on her end ($30-40)
2) a router on your end ($60 or less after rebates)
3) you end up with a "firewall"
4) She ends up with 54mbit / your internet speed

Think about doing it!  You can even buy VERY HIGH GAIN antennas for $125 or
so, but the coffee can thing is enough for your use.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Okay, this is going OT! <grin>

I do love her, she is my best friend, but quite frankly, a relationship
beyond friendship isn't going to work, we both know that.  She has a
boyfriend now, and is quite happy (as I am for her!), so that option is out.

Come on now people, I thought this was the tech list!  Am I going to have to
figure this out all on my own?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hello Drew,

I have an alternate suggestion.

Giving how highly you speak of this person, why not marry her, let her move
in with you and then she can use your PC to email you.

The money you could both spend on comms could be spent on dinners out.

Mark in Ireland



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:23:21 -0600, Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com> wrote:
> That's what I thought.  She lives across the street.  At least 300
> yards.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards
> is quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to
> her wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has
> screaming internet access.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>
> Or just google pringle antenna
>
> Other useful places.
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>
> This stuff actually works
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to
> start. I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the
> world lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and
> cell phone only
for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a
> little better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the
> internet.  She doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email
> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month,
> and that's money she can barely spend.
>
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the
> internet, through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no
> modem.  (I'm
working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for
> me
to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to
> my server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying,
> because then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.
> What I
need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I
> have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call
> me with
her
> cell).
>
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit
> of
what
> I know on this subject.
>
> Drew
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov  9 10:49:08 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:49:08 -0500 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33929@nprdex02.nns.com>

Shamil,

You might try reaching this page from here:
http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-12/dc-12-index.html.  Under the
"UN-OFFICIAL" links is one that points to: "Wi-Fi Shootout II".  But if you
can't get to the site at all, Here is a link to last year's winner:
http://www.adversarialsciencelab.net/newindex.html.  When I said they were
not suited for practical application, I was referring to the "size" of these
antennas (they appear to be ~3m).

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Thanks for the info, Mark,

The URL still doesn't work here.
No problem if it doesn't have a practical application.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


> Shamil,
>
> This competition is definitely on "the edge", and not suited for practical
> application.  The competition, IIRC, was held in the desert to achieve the
> greatest possible line-of-site.  Sadly, I don't think this contest website
> contains any actual technical data...it is just a recap of the
competition.
> http://www.wifi-shootout.com/home.html
>
> HTH,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Mark, I'm interested in that too because I've 802.11b router and wireless
> card...
> This link http://www.wifi-shootout.com/ doesn't work here :(
> Pinging it works OK (~20ms) but I can't get shown in IE.
> What is its full URL?
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
> > It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
> > http://www.wifi-shootout.com/
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards
is
> > quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
> > antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to
her
> > wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has
screaming
> > internet access.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
> > http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
> >
> > Or just google pringle antenna
> >
> > Other useful places.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
> >
> > This stuff actually works
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> >
> >
> > Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
> > I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world
lives
> > about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
> for
> > a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a
little
> > better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> > doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> >
> > Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> > connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email
her
> > sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and
that's
> > money she can barely spend.
> >
> > I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
> 384kb
> > up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
> Access,
> > so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the
internet,
> > through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
> working
> > on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for
me
> to
> > have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> > expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
> > server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying,
because
> > then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
> need
> > to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
> > matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
> her
> > cell).
> >
> > Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
> what
> > I know on this subject.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 10:52:33 2004
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:52:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHIEPKEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <001201c4c656$0618eb40$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHIEPKEGAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c49504110908522ed4f524@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Drew,

Some random thoughts

I wonder with just a wireless card, how many OTHER PEOPLE's wireless
routers she might be able to hook into?  Perhaps she could just squat
on someone elses connection?

Other than that you might be better off paying for her dialup
connection to a regular ISP yourself rather than paying for a second
phone line yourself.

Another thought - perhaps your DSL has a dialup # for times when you
would be travelling? If so, maybe she could use that?

How about something like PC Anywhere or an equivelent? Maybe Net
Meeting? She could dial into one of your systems and then browse using
that?

I think there are phone line switches that can recognize if it's
amodem on the other end and then hook to the modem on your end

http://www.command-comm.com/products.html

Good Luck!

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov  9 10:59:53 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:53 -0000 
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E1F@ALCUXB>

I'm pretty sure connection squatting is illegal... I know the ISP's here
don't like you sharing it with other people either. Probably cos it means
they won't get their pound of flesh.

I tried the dial up line for my broadband with my brother, and when I was
using broadband, he couldn't dial in and vice versa - their reasoning was
"how can you use a pc at home and somewhere else at the same time?" I said
that my dad uses broadband at home and if I was somewhere else, why couldn't
I dial in too? I pay the bills etc... but they weren't having any of it.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at gmail.com]
Sent: 09 November 2004 16:53
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Hi Drew,

Some random thoughts

I wonder with just a wireless card, how many OTHER PEOPLE's wireless
routers she might be able to hook into?  Perhaps she could just squat
on someone elses connection?

Other than that you might be better off paying for her dialup
connection to a regular ISP yourself rather than paying for a second
phone line yourself.

Another thought - perhaps your DSL has a dialup # for times when you
would be travelling? If so, maybe she could use that?

How about something like PC Anywhere or an equivelent? Maybe Net
Meeting? She could dial into one of your systems and then browse using
that?

I think there are phone line switches that can recognize if it's
amodem on the other end and then hook to the modem on your end

http://www.command-comm.com/products.html

Good Luck!

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 12:21:35 2004
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:21:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E1F@ALCUXB>
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E1F@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <aea6c49504110910213f4043c4@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if it's illegal here yet. Not really morally right though
I suppose in most people's minds. Still, now that wireless routers
become more popular yet users don't become any more security concious
so they lock them down better, is it really hurting anyone?

And no doubt the ISP wouldn't like it, but can they really stop it? ;-)

I have heard people talk about their seeing 4 or 5 different routers
when they turn on their laptops with wireless cards.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:59:53 -0000, Jon Tydda <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure connection squatting is illegal... I know the ISP's here
> don't like you sharing it with other people either. Probably cos it means
> they won't get their pound of flesh.
> 
> I tried the dial up line for my broadband with my brother, and when I was
> using broadband, he couldn't dial in and vice versa - their reasoning was
> "how can you use a pc at home and somewhere else at the same time?" I said
> that my dad uses broadband at home and if I was somewhere else, why couldn't
> I dial in too? I pay the bills etc... but they weren't having any of it.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  9 17:34:05 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:34:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B391@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <419153ED.6010005@shaw.ca>

Here are some good scripting site examples to search through
http://cwashington.netreach.net/main/default.asp?topic=news
These are all vbscripts so can be run from access vba with simple mods
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/scripts/default.mspx

http://www.winguides.com/scripting/

Jon Tydda wrote:

>Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
> 
>I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
>got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
>pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
>machines...
> 
>I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be pretty
>standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of add-ins
>automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
> 
> 
>Jon
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  9 17:44:11 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:44:11 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B391@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <4191E2EB.27084.379A999@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 9 Nov 2004 at 9:49, Jon Tydda wrote:

> Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
>  
> I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
> got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
> pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
> machines...
>  

Rather than VBScript, take a look at the freeware tool AutoIt:
http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

It's designed for just this sort of operation (but it's actually a good 
development tool  for all sorts of  little utilities)

If you know VBA, it doesn't take long to get proficient with AutoIt.

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is an opensource BASIC-like scripting language designed for 
automating the Windows GUI.  It uses a combination of simulated keystrokes, 
mouse movement and window/control manipulation in order to automate tasks 
in a way not possible or reliable with other languages (e.g. VBScript and 
SendKeys).

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to configure 
thousands of PCs, but with the arrival of v3 it is also well suited to 
performing home automation and the scripting of repetitive tasks.

AutoIt can:

    *  Provide a general-purpose scripting language 
    *  Execute Windows and DOS executables
    *  Simulate keystrokes (supports most keyboard layouts)
    *  Simulate mouse movements and clicks
    *  Move, resize and manipulate windows
    *  Interact directly with "controls" on a window (set/get text from 
edit controls, check boxes and radio buttons, select items in drop-down 
lists, etc.)
    *  Work with the clipboard to cut/paste text items
    *  Work with the registry

Unlike AutoIt2, the new AutoIt v3 language has a much more standard syntax -
similar to VBScript and BASIC - and now supports complex expressions, user 
functions, looping and everything else that veteran scripters would expect.

As with previous versions, AutoIt has been designed to be as small as 
possible (~100KB) and stand-alone with no external .dll files or registry 
entries required.  Scripts can also be compiled into stand-alone 
executables with Aut2Exe.

</quote>
-- 
Stuart




From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Nov  9 17:46:05 2004
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:46:05 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
In-Reply-To: <419153ED.6010005@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <HAELJOBEJAIGMIEGGPPDAEMACCAA.jon@tydda.plus.com>

Thanks Marty, I'll have a good look through them when I get to work
tomorrow.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: 09 November 2004 23:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] vb script


Here are some good scripting site examples to search through
http://cwashington.netreach.net/main/default.asp?topic=news
These are all vbscripts so can be run from access vba with simple mods
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/scripts/default.mspx

http://www.winguides.com/scripting/

Jon Tydda wrote:

>Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
>
>I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
>got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
>pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
>machines...
>
>I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be pretty
>standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of add-ins
>automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
>
>
>Jon
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  9 17:52:41 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:52:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33926@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <41915849.4010804@shaw.ca>

There are limits because the curvature of the earth comes into play 
after about 60 miles on line of sight.
then you are into what they call football antenna pattern lobes that 
waterfall over obstacles.
I know there are people here up the island who hook up people across 
valleys here via wireless (fails in snow and fog)
so they can get internet service, it would cost them thousands to get an 
upgraded phone or cable service.

Mitsules, Mark wrote:

>Shamil, 
>
>This competition is definitely on "the edge", and not suited for practical
>application.  The competition, IIRC, was held in the desert to achieve the
>greatest possible line-of-site.  Sadly, I don't think this contest website
>contains any actual technical data...it is just a recap of the competition.
>http://www.wifi-shootout.com/home.html
>
>HTH,
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:33 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
>Mark,
>
>Mark, I'm interested in that too because I've 802.11b router and wireless
>card...
>This link http://www.wifi-shootout.com/ doesn't work here :(
>Pinging it works OK (~20ms) but I can't get shown in IE.
>What is its full URL?
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:45 PM
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>
>
>  
>
>>It CAN be done.  300 yards...hah!  How about 55.1 miles using 802.11b!!!
>>http://www.wifi-shootout.com/
>>
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:23 AM
>>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>>
>>
>>I was going to suggest that, but I wasn't sure of the range. 300 yards is
>>quite a distance, even for a directional antenna.
>>
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>>Sent: 09 November 2004 00:51
>>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>>
>>
>>Forget telephony.  Get her a wireless NIC that will take an external
>>antenna.  Build / buy a coffee can directional antenna.  Connect it to her
>>wireless NIC, and thus her to your wireless router.  She now has screaming
>>internet access.
>>
>>http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1641185,00.asp
>>http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448
>>http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
>>
>>Or just google pringle antenna
>>
>>Other useful places.
>>
>>http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1273593,00.asp
>>http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,37024,00.asp
>>
>>This stuff actually works
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:18 PM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
>>
>>
>>Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to start.
>>I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world lives
>>about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell phone only
>>    
>>
>for
>  
>
>>a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer (actually a little
>>better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
>>doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
>>
>>Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
>>connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email her
>>sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, and that's
>>money she can barely spend.
>>
>>I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and
>>    
>>
>384kb
>  
>
>>up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and Remote
>>    
>>
>Access,
>  
>
>>so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to the internet,
>>through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem.  (I'm
>>    
>>
>working
>  
>
>>on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for me
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
>>expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home phone to my
>>server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of annoying, because
>>then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get messages.  What I
>>    
>>
>need
>  
>
>>to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id (which I have)
>>matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can call me with
>>    
>>
>her
>  
>
>>cell).
>>
>>Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit of
>>    
>>
>what
>  
>
>>I know on this subject.
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
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From Mark.Porter at acsalaska.com  Mon Nov  8 18:25:07 2004
From: Mark.Porter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:25:07 -0900
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17480B36@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com>

Directional wireless antenna?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on 
> where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell 
> phone only for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer 
> (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to 
> just email her
> sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a 
> month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb 
> down, and 384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and 
> Remote Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to 
> the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem. 
>  (I'm working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no 
> reason for me to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home 
> phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of 
> annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get 
> messages.  What I need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id 
> (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can 
> call me with her
> cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is 
> the limit of what
> I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  9 19:49:14 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:49:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17480B36@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <002901c4c6c7$7d015f50$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Suggested, rejected.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Directional wireless antenna?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on
> where to start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the 
> world lives
> about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell 
> phone only for
> a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer 
> (actually a little
> better then my home desktop), but no way to get on the internet.  She
> doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet 
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email 
> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a
> month, and that's
> money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb
> down, and 384kb
> up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and 
> Remote Access,
> so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus out to 
> the internet,
> through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I have no modem. 
>  (I'm working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no 
> reason for me to
> have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also be more
> expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home 
> phone to my
> server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of 
> annoying, because
> then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get 
> messages.  What I need
> to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the caller id 
> (which I have)
> matches HER home number. (If she wants to call me, she can 
> call me with her
> cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is
> the limit of what
> I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov  9 19:53:58 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:53:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
In-Reply-To: <002901c4c6c7$7d015f50$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17480B36@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <41912E66.1383.30CE05@localhost>

On 9 Nov 2004 at 20:49, John W. Colby wrote:

> Suggested, rejected.

It was a held post that got approved late.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
"The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything."
 -- Theodore Roosevelt 




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 10 01:34:42 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:34:42 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5504@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


I'm not familiar with caller Id on analogue lines.
I have with ISDN equiment, in that equipment you can usealy program
directly in the equipment (Terminal Adapter is the modem for ISDN) a
number(s) for which to pickup. This is the only solution because you can
not tell in ras for whom to pick up.

I never used Caller Id on analogue lines but I supose that some AT
string must be available in the modem to set a incoming phone number. I
supose this will be a more expensive modem.
This way it is the modem that decides for whom to pickup instead of ras.

In the old day (before Euro ISDN) I seen small boxes that could
distinguesh between faxmodem (by the beep) and voice lines. They would
pick up the line inmediatly and listen if a beep (carrier signal) is
present. If not it would transfer to the phone connector and ring the
phone. If a carrier was detected it would transfer the call to the modem
connector and let it ring. This device generates a small beep before
transferring the call to trigger the fax or modem on the other side.
This would be a second, maybe the best solution for you, bu I'm not
aware if this till exists.

Infact this kind of device is now built in to this home faxes with a
phone included...

To shorten my story.
Two solutions.

1) Find a modem that supports caller ID and where you can program a
number to pick IN THE MODEM.
With for example an AT string that you put in the default modem
properties in Windows.

2) Find this autoswitch device to distingues fax/modem and voice trafic
on your line. This device has one line input and two (1x Voice 1x
fax/modem) output.

Erwin




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:49 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.

Suggested, rejected.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.


Directional wireless antenna?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Determine if modem should answer or not.
> 
> 
> Okay, I have a problem, that I am relatively clueless on where to 
> start.
> I'll try to make this short and sweet.  My best friend in the world 
> lives about 1000 feet from me.  She has had a cell phone, and cell 
> phone only for a while.  Her budget is very tight.  She has a computer

> (actually a little better then my home desktop), but no way to get on 
> the internet.  She doesn't have cable, and until recently, no land 
> phone.
> 
> Her mother is getting her a land phone.  Now she would like internet 
> connectivity.  So would I, cause I would like to be able to just email

> her sometimes!  Problem, even really cheap dialup is $9.99 a month, 
> and that's money she can barely spend.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have a SCREAMING DSL connection (3 mgb down, and

> 384kb up).  I also have Windows 2000 server, which has Routing and 
> Remote Access, so I can actually connect her to my network, and thus 
> out to the internet, through RAS.  That, I can do.  Problem, one, I 
> have no modem.
>  (I'm working
> on that!)  Two, I only have one phone line, and there is no reason for

> me to have 2.  The second line would be just for her, and would also 
> be more expensive then her just getting dialup. If I connect my home 
> phone to my server, however, it will answer on every call.  Sort of 
> annoying, because then I lose my answering machine, and I wouldn't get

> messages.  What I need to do, is to have the modem pickup, only if the

> caller id (which I have) matches HER home number. (If she wants to 
> call me, she can call me with her cell).
> 
> Any ideas?  I know I'll need to use Telephony, but that is the limit 
> of what I know on this subject.
> 
> Drew


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 10 01:37:52 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:37:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5505@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Im not sure if I read the whole story...
But does roaming profiles not solve your problem more easely???

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] vb script

Thanks Marty, I'll have a good look through them when I get to work
tomorrow.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 09 November 2004 23:34
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] vb script


Here are some good scripting site examples to search through
http://cwashington.netreach.net/main/default.asp?topic=news
These are all vbscripts so can be run from access vba with simple mods
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/scripts/default.mspx

http://www.winguides.com/scripting/

Jon Tydda wrote:

>Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
>
>I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but 
>we've got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use 
>different pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots 
>of different machines...
>
>I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be 
>pretty standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of 
>add-ins automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
>
>
>Jon
>
>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 02:00:27 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:00:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 1.0 Shameless plug...
Message-ID: <b874372a04111000005ab5751c@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, the Official FireFox 1.0 is out,
Additionally, the .9 Thunderbird has also been released  :) 

my personal observation on FF, it is much faster... :)
-- 
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From artful at rogers.com  Wed Nov 10 15:06:13 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:06:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04111000005ab5751c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a04111000005ab5751c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419282C5.7040109@rogers.com>

At least I'm consistent! I pretty much rebuilt two boxes (formatting, 
OS, some new hardware) and I have screwed things up identically on both 
boxes. One is w2k and other wXP. Both have an instance of SQL Server 
2000 SP3. Both have IIS installed and it appears to be running  The 
FrontPage extensions are installed, but FP doesn't think they are.

FP:
Create a new web from template.
Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
"The web server at http://rock does not appear to have the FrontPage 
server extensions installed.
IOW, I can't seem to create any sort of site using that spec.
However, if I specify somewhere else, such as f:\testweb, FP can create 
it no problem. I can preview it, see all the files and so on.

DWMX:
Slightly different dialog sequence, but essentially the same. From the 
Site Manager, new:.
Where to you want to store your files? defaults to e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02
"Because IIS has been installed, your computer can be used as a local 
testing server."
What URL would you use to browse the text of your site? defaults to 
http://localhost/test02/
Test URL:
"Dreamweaver cannot use the prefix your entered to display live data. 
Please double-check your site configuration or click on Help for more 
information on how to correct the problem. (HTTP Error 500).
Clicking Help is no help. A search for 500 finds nothing.

I've removed IIS and put it back a couple of times to see if that would 
help, but it disn't. When I load its manager everything seems fine. It 
claims that the ftp server, web server, default web site and smtpserver 
are all running. Nothing appears amiss.
Location defaults to http://rock/myweb

Suggestions greatly appreciated. Cures even more.
Arthur



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Nov 10 15:22:16 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:22:16 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
References: <b874372a04111000005ab5751c@mail.gmail.com>
	<419282C5.7040109@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4c76b$6496d090$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Arhur,

Did you CONFIGURE FP Server Extensions?

      To configure FrontPage Server Extensions on Windows XP
        1.. On the Start menu, choose Run.
        2.. In the Open dialog box, type compmgmt.msc \s, and then click OK
to open the Computer Management dialog box.
        3.. In the Computer Management dialog box, expand Services and
Applications.
        4.. Under Services and Applications, expand Internet Information
Services.
        5.. Under the Internet Information Services, expand Web sites.
        6.. Right-click Default Web Site, choose All Tasks, and then choose
Configure Server Extensions.
          Note: You can skip to Install Security Updates below if the
Configure Server Extensions menu command is missing. If the Configure Server
Extensions menu command is missing, then FrontPage Server Extensions are
already installed and configured.

        7.. Choose Next on the first page of the Server Extensions
Configuration Wizard.
        8.. Choose Yes in the Warning dialog box.
        9.. Choose No for configuring the mail server settings, and then
choose Next.
        10. Choose Finish.

Shamil
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.


> At least I'm consistent! I pretty much rebuilt two boxes (formatting,
> OS, some new hardware) and I have screwed things up identically on both
> boxes. One is w2k and other wXP. Both have an instance of SQL Server
> 2000 SP3. Both have IIS installed and it appears to be running  The
> FrontPage extensions are installed, but FP doesn't think they are.
>
> FP:
> Create a new web from template.
> Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
> "The web server at http://rock does not appear to have the FrontPage
> server extensions installed.
> IOW, I can't seem to create any sort of site using that spec.
> However, if I specify somewhere else, such as f:\testweb, FP can create
> it no problem. I can preview it, see all the files and so on.
>
> DWMX:
> Slightly different dialog sequence, but essentially the same. From the
> Site Manager, new:.
> Where to you want to store your files? defaults to
e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02
> "Because IIS has been installed, your computer can be used as a local
> testing server."
> What URL would you use to browse the text of your site? defaults to
> http://localhost/test02/
> Test URL:
> "Dreamweaver cannot use the prefix your entered to display live data.
> Please double-check your site configuration or click on Help for more
> information on how to correct the problem. (HTTP Error 500).
> Clicking Help is no help. A search for 500 finds nothing.
>
> I've removed IIS and put it back a couple of times to see if that would
> help, but it disn't. When I load its manager everything seems fine. It
> claims that the ftp server, web server, default web site and smtpserver
> are all running. Nothing appears amiss.
> Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
>
> Suggestions greatly appreciated. Cures even more.
> Arthur
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Nov 11 10:20:59 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:20:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4c76b$6496d090$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <b874372a04111000005ab5751c@mail.gmail.com>	<419282C5.7040109@rogers.com>
	<001b01c4c76b$6496d090$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4193916B.305@rogers.com>

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Arhur,
>
>Did you CONFIGURE FP Server Extensions?
>
>      To configure FrontPage Server Extensions on Windows XP
>        1.. On the Start menu, choose Run.
>        2.. In the Open dialog box, type compmgmt.msc \s, and then click OK
>to open the Computer Management dialog box.
>        3.. In the Computer Management dialog box, expand Services and
>Applications.
>        4.. Under Services and Applications, expand Internet Information
>Services.
>        5.. Under the Internet Information Services, expand Web sites.
>        6.. Right-click Default Web Site, choose All Tasks, and then choose
>Configure Server Extensions.
>          Note: You can skip to Install Security Updates below if the
>Configure Server Extensions menu command is missing. If the Configure Server
>Extensions menu command is missing, then FrontPage Server Extensions are
>already installed and configured.
>
>        7.. Choose Next on the first page of the Server Extensions
>Configuration Wizard.
>        8.. Choose Yes in the Warning dialog box.
>        9.. Choose No for configuring the mail server settings, and then
>choose Next.
>        10. Choose Finish.
>
>Shamil
>--
>
I checked both machines (wxp and w2k) and everything seems fine on that 
level. I did notice in that dialog box the custom errors list and error 
500 is the vastly informative "Internal Server Error". So I'm still at a 
loss. Thanks for trying though.


From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Nov 11 19:39:35 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:09:35 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Does the virtual directory:
http://localhost/test02/

..point to:
e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02

In IIS?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2004 7:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.

At least I'm consistent! I pretty much rebuilt two boxes (formatting, OS,
some new hardware) and I have screwed things up identically on both boxes.
One is w2k and other wXP. Both have an instance of SQL Server 2000 SP3. Both
have IIS installed and it appears to be running  The FrontPage extensions
are installed, but FP doesn't think they are.

FP:
Create a new web from template.
Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
"The web server at http://rock does not appear to have the FrontPage 
server extensions installed.
IOW, I can't seem to create any sort of site using that spec.
However, if I specify somewhere else, such as f:\testweb, FP can create 
it no problem. I can preview it, see all the files and so on.

DWMX:
Slightly different dialog sequence, but essentially the same. From the 
Site Manager, new:.
Where to you want to store your files? defaults to e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02
"Because IIS has been installed, your computer can be used as a local 
testing server."
What URL would you use to browse the text of your site? defaults to 
http://localhost/test02/
Test URL:
"Dreamweaver cannot use the prefix your entered to display live data. 
Please double-check your site configuration or click on Help for more 
information on how to correct the problem. (HTTP Error 500).
Clicking Help is no help. A search for 500 finds nothing.

I've removed IIS and put it back a couple of times to see if that would 
help, but it disn't. When I load its manager everything seems fine. It 
claims that the ftp server, web server, default web site and smtpserver 
are all running. Nothing appears amiss.
Location defaults to http://rock/myweb

Suggestions greatly appreciated. Cures even more.
Arthur

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Nov 11 20:05:27 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:35:27 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6CA@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

Not sure if anyone has asked the obvious yet but..

Is a centralised user store out of the question?  (eg. Active Directory).
Exactly what roaming profiles were designed for...

A 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 8:19 PM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script

Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
 
I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
machines...
 
I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be pretty
standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of add-ins
automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
 
 
Jon


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Fri Nov 12 03:29:28 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:29:28 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E48@ALCUXB>

We've not gone AD yet... They were supposed to upgrade us over the summer
but not yet... maybe next year :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: 12 November 2004 02:05
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] vb script


Not sure if anyone has asked the obvious yet but..

Is a centralised user store out of the question?  (eg. Active Directory).
Exactly what roaming profiles were designed for...

A 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 8:19 PM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] vb script

Does anyone know enough about vb scripting to help save me a few hours?
 
I need to repeatedly do the same things - set up a user on a pc, but we've
got about 80 users and 50 pc's and they all seem to want to use different
pc's all the time, which leads to them being set up on lots of different
machines...
 
I've got drives mapped in the users logon script, so they should be pretty
standard, I just need to get excel to connect to a couple of add-ins
automatically and I was wondering if that was possible...
 
 
Jon


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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Nov 13 11:27:42 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:27:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>

Haslett, Andrew wrote:

>Does the virtual directory:
>http://localhost/test02/
>
>..point to:
>e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02
>
>In IIS?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2004 7:36 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
>
>At least I'm consistent! I pretty much rebuilt two boxes (formatting, OS,
>some new hardware) and I have screwed things up identically on both boxes.
>One is w2k and other wXP. Both have an instance of SQL Server 2000 SP3. Both
>have IIS installed and it appears to be running  The FrontPage extensions
>are installed, but FP doesn't think they are.
>
>FP:
>Create a new web from template.
>Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
>"The web server at http://rock does not appear to have the FrontPage 
>server extensions installed.
>IOW, I can't seem to create any sort of site using that spec.
>However, if I specify somewhere else, such as f:\testweb, FP can create 
>it no problem. I can preview it, see all the files and so on.
>
>DWMX:
>Slightly different dialog sequence, but essentially the same. From the 
>Site Manager, new:.
>Where to you want to store your files? defaults to e:\inetpub\wwwroot\Test02
>"Because IIS has been installed, your computer can be used as a local 
>testing server."
>What URL would you use to browse the text of your site? defaults to 
>http://localhost/test02/
>Test URL:
>"Dreamweaver cannot use the prefix your entered to display live data. 
>Please double-check your site configuration or click on Help for more 
>information on how to correct the problem. (HTTP Error 500).
>Clicking Help is no help. A search for 500 finds nothing.
>
>I've removed IIS and put it back a couple of times to see if that would 
>help, but it disn't. When I load its manager everything seems fine. It 
>claims that the ftp server, web server, default web site and smtpserver 
>are all running. Nothing appears amiss.
>Location defaults to http://rock/myweb
>
>Suggestions greatly appreciated. Cures even more.
>Arthur
>
>  
>
I don't know how to answer that question. Where should I be looking to 
see if it maps that way?


From artful at rogers.com  Sun Nov 14 23:10:32 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:10:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
	<4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>

Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If 
I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better 
care of myself."

To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone), 
take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.

Arthur


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Nov 14 23:55:23 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:55:23 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Digital Right Management Software
Message-ID: <01e701c4cad7$b31a4840$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Does anybody know  anything about Microsoft "Digital Right Management Software" (DRM).  The Chinese distributor is suggesting it for copy protection in China.  Is it good?  Effective?  What's the downside?  Is it hard to use and manage?  What problems does it create for the user?

Any info will be appreciated.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com



From chizotz at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 15 00:08:24 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:08:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
	<4196440E.8040000@rogers.com> <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <957784013.20041115000824@mchsi.com>

Happy Birthday Arthur, and many happy returns!


Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:10:32 PM, you wrote:

AF> Today I am 57 years old.




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov 15 01:21:41 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:21:41 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4cae3$c1450750$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

That's great Arthur. Take good care of yourself today at least, and enjoy
the day.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 15 November 2004 05:11
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
> 
> 
> Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William 
> Boroughs, "If 
> I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better 
> care of myself."
> 
> To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost 
> everyone), 
> take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.
> 
> Arthur
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> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 15 06:16:26 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:16:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <000901c4cb0c$ef7b2e50$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

>You might live to be a Heinz also.

Is that a tomato, so old and soft they just finished mushing it up and
stuffed it in a bottle?  ;-)

Happy birthday.  Mine was the fifth, 50 years old, so I'm right behind.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If 
I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better 
care of myself."

To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone), 
take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.

Arthur
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Nov 15 06:44:33 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:44:33 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au><4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>
	<41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <004601c4cb10$dd566b00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Happy Birthday to you, Arthur!

Stay well,
Best regards,
Shamil
--
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz


> Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If
> I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better
> care of myself."
>
> To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone),
> take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.
>
> Arthur




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 06:50:54 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:50:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
	<4196440E.8040000@rogers.com> <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9204111504509eca378@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:10:32 -0500, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If
> I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better
> care of myself."
> 
> To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone),
> take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.

Happy Birthday Arthur!!

Youu share a birthday with one of the most important people in my life. 
My eldest daughter. :) She's turning 7 today!!!


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Mon Nov 15 09:57:21 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:57:21 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHCEGMEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Happy Birthday Arthur!

Here is a tech tip for someone of your advancing years <grin>:

Start-->Run-->Magnify (ok)

For those days when the words are just too small! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If 
I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better 
care of myself."

To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone), 
take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.

Arthur
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 09:58:06 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:58:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9204111504509eca378@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
	<4196440E.8040000@rogers.com> <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
	<e04a6c9204111504509eca378@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a041115075829970986@mail.gmail.com>

Happy B Day Arthur!


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:50:54 -0500, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:10:32 -0500, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If
> > I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better
> > care of myself."
> >
> > To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone),
> > take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.
> 
> Happy Birthday Arthur!!
> 
> Youu share a birthday with one of the most important people in my life.
> My eldest daughter. :) She's turning 7 today!!!
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> 
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Nov 15 12:54:15 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:54:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IIS, FP Server extensions, etc.
In-Reply-To: <4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>
References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C6C8@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>
	<4196440E.8040000@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <4198FB57.2090800@rogers.com>

Still haven't located my problem, but I did spot something strange on 
the winXP box. If I right-click My Computer then choose Manage, then 
Services and look at the default web site, on the Home Directory tab the 
top part of the pane is greyed out. The button that says "A directory on 
this computer" is selected, but greyed out. Below that, the Local Path 
textbox is also greyed out, as is the Browse button beside it.

That might explain the problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Any 
suggestions, anyone?

Interestingly, on the win2K box I can edit the home directory, but I 
still can't get it to work correctly (see previous messages for details).

TIA,
Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 15 13:02:34 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:02:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41983A48.9000201@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Happy Birthday Arthur!

What's the BD teat going to be? Are you going to have a favorite food, drink
or activity?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [dba-Tech] Heinz


Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If
I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better
care of myself."

To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone),
take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.

Arthur
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Nov 15 23:20:23 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:20:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <41998E17.3030006@rogers.com>

John Bartow wrote:

>Happy Birthday Arthur!
>
>What's the BD teat going to be? Are you going to have a favorite food, drink
>or activity?
>
>John B.
>
>  
>
I assume that you typed "teat" correctly and didn't mean "treat". If so, 
nuff said. Add to it, however, a trip to my fave East Indian restaurant, 
a place called Shalimar, operated by a man who has been a friend for 30 
years. His shrimp and tomato and aloo palak are to die for.

A.


From artful at rogers.com  Mon Nov 15 23:24:38 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:24:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <41998F16.30804@rogers.com>

Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes 
when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use 
AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files 
etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent 
reboots?

I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do 
it all over again.

It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind. 
My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds 
me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.

A.


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 16 01:22:40 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:22:40 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B551F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It could be an attack from the internet on a certain port or a add-ware
like hotbar stuff and others.

Both are not detected by antivirus software.
Start with fully updating your windows and removing add-ware.


Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots

Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes
when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use
AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files
etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent
reboots?

I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do
it all over again.

It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind.

My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds
me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.

A.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov 16 07:37:12 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:37:12 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIENNIFAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<41998F16.30804@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c4cbe1$614860f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Sounds like hardware.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


> Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes 
> when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use AVG 
> but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files etc.) 
> that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent reboots?
>
> I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do it 
> all over again.
>
> It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind. 
> My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds me 
> of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.
>
> A.
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Nov 16 08:07:12 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:07:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A1DD0C@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9DA@ADGSERVER>

I agree, I'd check the PS first.  Could be MOBO also.

Bobby

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


Sounds like hardware.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


> Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, 
> sometimes
> when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use AVG 
> but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files etc.) 
> that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent reboots?
>
> I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to 
> do it
> all over again.
>
> It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way 
> behind.
> My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds me

> of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.
>
> A.
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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Tue Nov 16 08:08:45 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:08:45 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1E86@ALCUXB>

Does it just reboot the pc, or do you get a warning?

If it's a warning, I'd say that it was worth checking for viruses/mal-ware
etc. Don't trust just one program to do it either - for spyware, use Spybot
and Ad-Aware, and for viruses use Stinger (free and downloadable one shot
virus scanner) and maybe Panda online if you have a fast connection and you
don't want to pay for an AV solution at the moment.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: 16 November 2004 14:07
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


I agree, I'd check the PS first.  Could be MOBO also.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


Sounds like hardware.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


> Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, 
> sometimes
> when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use AVG 
> but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files etc.) 
> that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent reboots?
>
> I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to 
> do it
> all over again.
>
> It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way 
> behind.
> My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds me

> of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.
>
> A.
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov 16 08:11:37 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:11:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33966@nprdex02.nns.com>

A heat problem, either with the CPU or graphics card can cause spontaneous
reboots.  If this problem just surfaced recently...I've seen instances where
a heat problem was not detected until the A/C had been shut off and the heat
turned on for the season.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes 
when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use 
AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files 
etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent 
reboots?

I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do 
it all over again.

It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind. 
My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds 
me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.

A.
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 16 08:47:01 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:47:01 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <41998E17.3030006@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOELJGCAA.john@winhaven.net>

WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"

Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.

Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to try
every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't tried
yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
that day. Have fun!

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:20 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


John Bartow wrote:

>Happy Birthday Arthur!
>
>What's the BD teat going to be? Are you going to have a favorite food,
drink
>or activity?
>
>John B.
>
>
>
I assume that you typed "teat" correctly and didn't mean "treat". If so,
nuff said. Add to it, however, a trip to my fave East Indian restaurant,
a place called Shalimar, operated by a man who has been a friend for 30
years. His shrimp and tomato and aloo palak are to die for.

A.
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 16 10:34:33 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:34:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
In-Reply-To: <41998F16.30804@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEADIGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Arthur if you haven't just recently installed anything new (hardware or
software) my standard procedure for this, given it could be a malware
infestation or a hardware problem, would be:

Check for obvious Hardware issue - 5 minutes:
Listen for signs of problems in case - ie. no fans running, odd noise etc.
(you may have to pop the side panel off if the fans were ultra quite fans).
Go into BIOS (usually F1, F2 or DEL upon boot up). Check if the BIOS has a
diagnostics screen. It would show things like fan speed, internal
temperatures, etc. These should be in the normal range listed fro the MB.
(Most MB manuals can be located on line if you can't locate your manual.)

Check for malware - 30-120 minutes:
Run Spybot earch and Destroy
Run Adaware
Run Trend Micro Housecall free online AV scan (irregardless of which AV
product I have installed. If Housecall does not function try Panda's,
Symantec's or McAfee's. If this fails try McAfee's Stinger download first
(and then try one of the full scans again when finished.)
Links to all these can be found here: http://www.winhaven.net click the
"Security" link. And then the "... solutions..." link.

If you did add new hardware or software previous to this bad experience then
roll back to before that installation, either by using:
system restore
hardware driver rollback
removing the component(s) altogether
booting to Safe Mode (F8 on bootup).

HTH
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots


Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes
when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use
AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files
etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent
reboots?

I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do
it all over again.

It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind.
My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds
me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.

A.
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From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 16 11:10:17 2004
From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:10:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
Message-ID: <BAY1-F24jS5C7lAhj1600019dc3@hotmail.com>

Happy Birthday Arthur!

Billy

>From: Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues 
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:10:32 -0500
>
>Today I am 57 years old. In the memorable words of William Boroughs, "If I 
>had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of 
>myself."
>
>To all those listers younger than I (which I think is almost everyone), 
>take good care of yourself! You might live to be a Heinz also.
>
>Arthur
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Nov 16 12:53:52 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:53:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <20041116125352.1068761320.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable (mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.

Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP to digital?

By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here: http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 16 13:08:11 2004
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:08:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50663@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Steve,
If you do a search in the dba-tech archives of "vinyl" you'll find some
posts on this. I believe Arthur Fuller was successful in doing this but
I don't know what the process was.  Actually, I would like to transfer a
bunch of LPs too.


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Dear Group,

A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files
using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable
(mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I
had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.

Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an
extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but
I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media
formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP
to digital?

By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here:
http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof
mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer
category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver
morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Nov 16 14:15:34 2004
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:34 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50663@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <HAELJOBEJAIGMIEGGPPDEEMOCCAA.jon@tydda.plus.com>

What's vinyl? ;-)

(A youthful) Jon...

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: 16 November 2004 19:08
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


Steve,
If you do a search in the dba-tech archives of "vinyl" you'll find some
posts on this. I believe Arthur Fuller was successful in doing this but
I don't know what the process was.  Actually, I would like to transfer a
bunch of LPs too.


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Dear Group,

A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files
using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable
(mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I
had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.

Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an
extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but
I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media
formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP
to digital?

By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here:
http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof
mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer
category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver
morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Nov 16 14:31:22 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:31:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A1DE3C@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9E1@ADGSERVER>

My daughter saw my record player and asked what "that" was for.  LOL.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


What's vinyl? ;-)

(A youthful) Jon...



From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Nov 16 14:37:29 2004
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:37:29 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9E1@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <HAELJOBEJAIGMIEGGPPDCEMPCCAA.jon@tydda.plus.com>

A friend's son asked him if he had to play both sides of a record... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: 16 November 2004 20:31
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


My daughter saw my record player and asked what "that" was for.  LOL.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


What's vinyl? ;-)

(A youthful) Jon...

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From bgeldart at verizon.net  Tue Nov 16 16:53:17 2004
From: bgeldart at verizon.net (Bob Geldart)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:53:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B551F@stekelbes.ithelps.l ocal>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B551F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20041116173210.01c45aa0@incoming.verizon.net>

Arthur,

Last spring I was having similar problems. Kept getting spontaneous 
reboots. Problem seemed to be most prevalent when I was using the scanner, 
or shutting down the CD burner. MS diagnostics kept telling me alternately 
that it was a memory problem, or bad drivers. Installed new memory. Also 
tried installing new drive. And of course I went crazy scanning for viruses 
and such. Nothing seemed to fix the problem completely.

My gut feeling is that it's a hardware issue. Futzing with the drive cables 
seemed to have the greatest value. Cables may not have been seated 
properly. Problem also seemed to be more prevalent in warmer weather, 
perhaps a heat problem, or power supply problem. I also suspected dirty 
power line, or perhaps voltage drops. Problem seemed to ease coincident 
with installation of Win2K.

I am convinced that this is a hardware problem, perhaps exacerbated by 
problem drivers. I do not turn my scanner off until I shut the PC down. I 
also am very careful about popping CDs in and out while programs may be 
running in other windows,   particularly before the program has signaled a 
readiness to deal with the CD drive. The PC still -- tho rarely -- reboots. 
In the last few months, I have experienced the problem only a couple of 
times that I remember. Last spring the problem was occuring almost daily.

Hope this helps somewhat. It is trememdously frustrating, I know. But try 
reseating cables and memory. Then check for updated drivers. And keep a 
record of the circumstances of the problem.

Bob

>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
>Fuller
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:25 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
>
>Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes
>when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use
>AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files
>etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent
>reboots?
>
>I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do
>it all over again.
>
>It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind.
>
>My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds
>me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.


Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
Maynard, MA


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov 16 17:14:53 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:14:53 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOELJGCAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <41998E17.3030006@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <419B168D.20878.19D1E107@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:

> WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
> 
> Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
> 
> Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
> restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to try
> every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't tried
> yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
> that day. Have fun!
> 

What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that 
term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which 
region incidentally has several different cuisines).

But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all. 
All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian 
subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for 
spinach.  

 More specifically they are  generally northern Indian 
(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern 
India.















-- 
Stuart




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 16 18:14:05 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:14:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <419B168D.20878.19D1E107@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEMEGCAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Stuart,
I guess I could have meant all of that :o)

Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."


We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as close as
I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it but, alas, it
is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are many forms of
Mexican food too...

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:

> WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>
> Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>
> Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
> restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to
try
> every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
tried
> yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
> that day. Have fun!
>

What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which
region incidentally has several different cuisines).

But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian
subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for
spinach.

 More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
India.















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Stuart


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 17 03:19:03 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:19:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5529@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I used to be a dj and now I terminated with putting al my cd's on disc,
I'm gooing to start with my vinyl.
I done some serious testing before I start because I have about 1200
singles and 2000 LP's/maxi single.

It al depends on the quality you want to have (I want maximum quality)
but here are some basic things.

1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna
nee a pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio
Shack (15 years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but
you can find them elsewhere if you look hard enough.
By a good RIAA pre-amplifier. The quality of your digital file will
depend on it greatly.
When using a pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp en the
RIAA preamp to the line in of your computer (NOT the micro= distortion).

2) There are some software's out there that perform RIAA correction.
In this case you need to connect the turntable directly to the
Microphone in connector of your computer. 
This will cause much more noise on your recording.
This is due to the low signal and noise generated by the computer and
soundcard.

3) Most soundcards are by definition low analogue quality.
This is due to the low cost/much noise A/D convertor chip on the bord.
Notebook soundcards are really really terible, NEVER use a notebook
soundcard to put analogue on disk!!!

4) If you need real good quality, get your self a good soundcard.
Look at the A/D convertor quality not the digital (digital is always
good...)
By definition the A/D convertor must be in a box OUTSIDE the computer.
If the AD convertor is inside the computer you will have much more noise
on your analogue connections due to the very noise environment inside a
computer.

5) I personaly have my quality doubts about external USB soundcards, but
I have no practical experience with that because I never by external USB
soundcards because... Goto point 5

6) Fileformat
OK this can be a very long discussion I already had several times and I
am tired of to discusse why. So I try to make make point straigtaway.
First of all.
Chose a widespread file format thats suported by many programs and is
afordable.
>From my personal point of view/experience you have 3 choices in order of
my preferation
WMA lossless
WAV
WMA lossy (VBR)
MP3/4

Secondly
Ask yourself what quality level you want (I definitly have chosen for
WMA lossless).
A) very good (real CD quality) to exacly (as good as it can get) the
same as vinyll
Choose a loss less compression (WMA lossless) or no compression at all
(WAV)
This will take gigantic HD space!!!

B) Reasonable quality (use a lossy compression).
MP3/4
WMA (classical Media player default choice)
Within thse lossy compression you can choose the amount of quality loss
you want by setting the bitrate.
When gooing for a lossy compression, choose for VBR (variable bitrate
WMA or MP4 ). By this the quality (or lack of) is stable.
With fix bitrate your quality (or lack of) changes during the song and
is noticeable.
Noticeable lack of quality depends on the listener and equiptment.
On computerspeaker (most of them are not very good), portable player,
etc, it is hard to recognise a 320 fix MP3 (I Do)
On a Hifi system with medium to high quality speakers anyone can
recognise & 320Kbps MP3 if you now what to listen to.


7) When recording from analogue you will (mostly) save in WAV file
because the compression is to CPU intense to put directly in a
compressed file. For sample rate 44000 is equal to regular CD quality.
192000 sample rate is equal to vinyl quality. I was doubting about using
192000, but you need more expensive software and harware, wav files are
4 times as big and MPx, WMA do not support 192000 sample rate, so today
I'm satisfied with CD quality sample rate 44000..
So you will also need a WAV-to-something-else convertor (often included
in the recording software).

8) Microsoft has a free tool to convert WAV to WMA (lossy and lossless I
believe) in a bulk transaction during night for example.
I use this tool to convert all my WMA lossless files to WMA lossy VBR so
I can listen to music on my portable devices.

9) Never use vinyl enhancers to reduce noise or cracks. They cutoff the
sound quality enormously.
In case of cracks and noise, clean your records, put some more weight on
the needle.
Playing the (old) records a few times before actualy recording can
remove dust and cracks in the final recording. Always remove dust from
the needle before recording.
Use a quality headphone and listen to the vinyl while recording to hear
any cracks or skips, so you can start all over in case of...
Do not touch the table with the recordplayer on it while recording. You
can hear this in the recording.
Do not use autostart/stop recording (based on sound) software
functionality, you will lose begin and end pieces. Rather cut the wav
manualy after recording.

I hope this will help you.
Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Dear Group,

A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files
using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable
(mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I
had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.

Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an
extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but
I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media
formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP
to digital?

By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here:
http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof
mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer
category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver
morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 17 03:34:35 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:34:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Forgot one.

9) When recording you may NEVER have a peak of 0Db, but you must set it
as high as posible.
Digital recording, in contrast with analogue, may never have a higher
volume then 0Db.
This is known as clipping. Everything that is higher will be cut off and
result in distortion.
This may be your original problem...
Due to this you gonna have to change the recording volume several times
before recording a vinyl succesfully. Before recoding set the needle to
the loudest part on the vinyl and adjust volume to that part. Keep
closely looking if it does'nt clip when recording. 
Do not change recording volume while recording!
Setting the volume higher afterwards in the wave can result in higher
noise.
Do not use any volume enhancers like normalizing en compressor/limiters.
They will flatten your sound and should never be used in master files.
They can conflict with other enhancements/equipment when playing
afterwards.
Like on radiostation or discotheques or even the enhancements in media
player software (like Windows Media player etc).

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

I used to be a dj and now I terminated with putting al my cd's on disc,
I'm gooing to start with my vinyl.
I done some serious testing before I start because I have about 1200
singles and 2000 LP's/maxi single.

It al depends on the quality you want to have (I want maximum quality)
but here are some basic things.

1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna
nee a pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio
Shack (15 years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but
you can find them elsewhere if you look hard enough.
By a good RIAA pre-amplifier. The quality of your digital file will
depend on it greatly.
When using a pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp en the
RIAA preamp to the line in of your computer (NOT the micro= distortion).

2) There are some software's out there that perform RIAA correction.
In this case you need to connect the turntable directly to the
Microphone in connector of your computer. 
This will cause much more noise on your recording.
This is due to the low signal and noise generated by the computer and
soundcard.

3) Most soundcards are by definition low analogue quality.
This is due to the low cost/much noise A/D convertor chip on the bord.
Notebook soundcards are really really terible, NEVER use a notebook
soundcard to put analogue on disk!!!

4) If you need real good quality, get your self a good soundcard.
Look at the A/D convertor quality not the digital (digital is always
good...)
By definition the A/D convertor must be in a box OUTSIDE the computer.
If the AD convertor is inside the computer you will have much more noise
on your analogue connections due to the very noise environment inside a
computer.

5) I personaly have my quality doubts about external USB soundcards, but
I have no practical experience with that because I never by external USB
soundcards because... Goto point 5

6) Fileformat
OK this can be a very long discussion I already had several times and I
am tired of to discusse why. So I try to make make point straigtaway.
First of all.
Chose a widespread file format thats suported by many programs and is
afordable.
>From my personal point of view/experience you have 3 choices in order 
>of
my preferation
WMA lossless
WAV
WMA lossy (VBR)
MP3/4

Secondly
Ask yourself what quality level you want (I definitly have chosen for
WMA lossless).
A) very good (real CD quality) to exacly (as good as it can get) the
same as vinyll Choose a loss less compression (WMA lossless) or no
compression at all
(WAV)
This will take gigantic HD space!!!

B) Reasonable quality (use a lossy compression).
MP3/4
WMA (classical Media player default choice) Within thse lossy
compression you can choose the amount of quality loss you want by
setting the bitrate.
When gooing for a lossy compression, choose for VBR (variable bitrate
WMA or MP4 ). By this the quality (or lack of) is stable.
With fix bitrate your quality (or lack of) changes during the song and
is noticeable.
Noticeable lack of quality depends on the listener and equiptment.
On computerspeaker (most of them are not very good), portable player,
etc, it is hard to recognise a 320 fix MP3 (I Do) On a Hifi system with
medium to high quality speakers anyone can recognise & 320Kbps MP3 if
you now what to listen to.


7) When recording from analogue you will (mostly) save in WAV file
because the compression is to CPU intense to put directly in a
compressed file. For sample rate 44000 is equal to regular CD quality.
192000 sample rate is equal to vinyl quality. I was doubting about using
192000, but you need more expensive software and harware, wav files are
4 times as big and MPx, WMA do not support 192000 sample rate, so today
I'm satisfied with CD quality sample rate 44000..
So you will also need a WAV-to-something-else convertor (often included
in the recording software).

8) Microsoft has a free tool to convert WAV to WMA (lossy and lossless I
believe) in a bulk transaction during night for example.
I use this tool to convert all my WMA lossless files to WMA lossy VBR so
I can listen to music on my portable devices.

9) Never use vinyl enhancers to reduce noise or cracks. They cutoff the
sound quality enormously.
In case of cracks and noise, clean your records, put some more weight on
the needle.
Playing the (old) records a few times before actualy recording can
remove dust and cracks in the final recording. Always remove dust from
the needle before recording.
Use a quality headphone and listen to the vinyl while recording to hear
any cracks or skips, so you can start all over in case of...
Do not touch the table with the recordplayer on it while recording. You
can hear this in the recording.
Do not use autostart/stop recording (based on sound) software
functionality, you will lose begin and end pieces. Rather cut the wav
manualy after recording.

I hope this will help you.
Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Dear Group,

A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files
using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable
(mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I
had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.

Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an
extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but
I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media
formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP
to digital?

By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here:
http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof
mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer
category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver
morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Wed Nov 17 06:55:49 2004
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:55:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <02be01c4cca4$cb381690$0300a8c0@S856>

and when you record, turn the speakers off and keep the room as quiet as
possible.
the record player picks up all kind of noise.

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


> Forgot one.
>
> 9) When recording you may NEVER have a peak of 0Db, but you must set it
> as high as posible.
> Digital recording, in contrast with analogue, may never have a higher
> volume then 0Db.
> This is known as clipping. Everything that is higher will be cut off and
> result in distortion.
> This may be your original problem...
> Due to this you gonna have to change the recording volume several times
> before recording a vinyl succesfully. Before recoding set the needle to
> the loudest part on the vinyl and adjust volume to that part. Keep
> closely looking if it does'nt clip when recording.
> Do not change recording volume while recording!
> Setting the volume higher afterwards in the wave can result in higher
> noise.
> Do not use any volume enhancers like normalizing en compressor/limiters.
> They will flatten your sound and should never be used in master files.
> They can conflict with other enhancements/equipment when playing
> afterwards.
> Like on radiostation or discotheques or even the enhancements in media
> player software (like Windows Media player etc).
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> - IT Helps
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
> I used to be a dj and now I terminated with putting al my cd's on disc,
> I'm gooing to start with my vinyl.
> I done some serious testing before I start because I have about 1200
> singles and 2000 LP's/maxi single.
>
> It al depends on the quality you want to have (I want maximum quality)
> but here are some basic things.
>
> 1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna
> nee a pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio
> Shack (15 years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but
> you can find them elsewhere if you look hard enough.
> By a good RIAA pre-amplifier. The quality of your digital file will
> depend on it greatly.
> When using a pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp en the
> RIAA preamp to the line in of your computer (NOT the micro= distortion).
>
> 2) There are some software's out there that perform RIAA correction.
> In this case you need to connect the turntable directly to the
> Microphone in connector of your computer.
> This will cause much more noise on your recording.
> This is due to the low signal and noise generated by the computer and
> soundcard.
>
> 3) Most soundcards are by definition low analogue quality.
> This is due to the low cost/much noise A/D convertor chip on the bord.
> Notebook soundcards are really really terible, NEVER use a notebook
> soundcard to put analogue on disk!!!
>
> 4) If you need real good quality, get your self a good soundcard.
> Look at the A/D convertor quality not the digital (digital is always
> good...)
> By definition the A/D convertor must be in a box OUTSIDE the computer.
> If the AD convertor is inside the computer you will have much more noise
> on your analogue connections due to the very noise environment inside a
> computer.
>
> 5) I personaly have my quality doubts about external USB soundcards, but
> I have no practical experience with that because I never by external USB
> soundcards because... Goto point 5
>
> 6) Fileformat
> OK this can be a very long discussion I already had several times and I
> am tired of to discusse why. So I try to make make point straigtaway.
> First of all.
> Chose a widespread file format thats suported by many programs and is
> afordable.
> >From my personal point of view/experience you have 3 choices in order
> >of
> my preferation
> WMA lossless
> WAV
> WMA lossy (VBR)
> MP3/4
>
> Secondly
> Ask yourself what quality level you want (I definitly have chosen for
> WMA lossless).
> A) very good (real CD quality) to exacly (as good as it can get) the
> same as vinyll Choose a loss less compression (WMA lossless) or no
> compression at all
> (WAV)
> This will take gigantic HD space!!!
>
> B) Reasonable quality (use a lossy compression).
> MP3/4
> WMA (classical Media player default choice) Within thse lossy
> compression you can choose the amount of quality loss you want by
> setting the bitrate.
> When gooing for a lossy compression, choose for VBR (variable bitrate
> WMA or MP4 ). By this the quality (or lack of) is stable.
> With fix bitrate your quality (or lack of) changes during the song and
> is noticeable.
> Noticeable lack of quality depends on the listener and equiptment.
> On computerspeaker (most of them are not very good), portable player,
> etc, it is hard to recognise a 320 fix MP3 (I Do) On a Hifi system with
> medium to high quality speakers anyone can recognise & 320Kbps MP3 if
> you now what to listen to.
>
>
> 7) When recording from analogue you will (mostly) save in WAV file
> because the compression is to CPU intense to put directly in a
> compressed file. For sample rate 44000 is equal to regular CD quality.
> 192000 sample rate is equal to vinyl quality. I was doubting about using
> 192000, but you need more expensive software and harware, wav files are
> 4 times as big and MPx, WMA do not support 192000 sample rate, so today
> I'm satisfied with CD quality sample rate 44000..
> So you will also need a WAV-to-something-else convertor (often included
> in the recording software).
>
> 8) Microsoft has a free tool to convert WAV to WMA (lossy and lossless I
> believe) in a bulk transaction during night for example.
> I use this tool to convert all my WMA lossless files to WMA lossy VBR so
> I can listen to music on my portable devices.
>
> 9) Never use vinyl enhancers to reduce noise or cracks. They cutoff the
> sound quality enormously.
> In case of cracks and noise, clean your records, put some more weight on
> the needle.
> Playing the (old) records a few times before actualy recording can
> remove dust and cracks in the final recording. Always remove dust from
> the needle before recording.
> Use a quality headphone and listen to the vinyl while recording to hear
> any cracks or skips, so you can start all over in case of...
> Do not touch the table with the recordplayer on it while recording. You
> can hear this in the recording.
> Do not use autostart/stop recording (based on sound) software
> functionality, you will lose begin and end pieces. Rather cut the wav
> manualy after recording.
>
> I hope this will help you.
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:54 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
> Dear Group,
>
> A few years ago I transferred two LPs worth of Whamco ads to .WAV files
> using GoldWave and my old 133 MHz laptop and a Radio Shack patch cable
> (mini plug to RCA pin jack). I tried to get a third LP to transfer but I
> had trouble with distortion in my system somewhere.
>
> Have any of you converted LPs to WAV or MP3 or Windows Media? I went an
> extra step with the Whamco ads to convert them to Real Audio files, but
> I'd like to make them available on-line in both Real and Windows Media
> formats. Any suggestions for doing this process all over again from LP
> to digital?
>
> By the way, you can hear what I'm talking about here:
> http://www.swerbach.com/id25.htm . WHAMCO was the name given to a spoof
> mega-conglomerate that had products in just about every consumer
> category you could think of. The ads were produced by a popular Denver
> morning radio team back in the late 70s/early 80s.
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Nov 17 08:02:24 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:02:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A1DF2B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9E4@ADGSERVER>

Erwin,

Wow, quite a collection!  I have about 150-200 LPs I would like to record.

I have an Onkyo pre-amp at home.  It has a setting for moving coil or moving
magnet.  Am I correct that the pre-amp would most likely have the RIAA
correction that you talked about?

If so, would I then connect the turntable to the pre-amp then the pre-amp to
the line-in of my Creative Audigy 2 ZS?

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


<snip>

1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna nee a
pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio Shack (15
years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but you can find
them elsewhere if you look hard enough. By a good RIAA pre-amplifier. The
quality of your digital file will depend on it greatly. When using a
pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp en the RIAA preamp to the
line in of your computer (NOT the micro= distortion).
<snip>



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 17 08:15:26 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:15:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <419B168D.20878.19D1E107@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKIGAA.john@winhaven.net>

BTW what do you mean by "septics"? I've haven't seen that term before.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:

> WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>
> Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>
> Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
> restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to
try
> every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
tried
> yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
> that day. Have fun!
>

What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which
region incidentally has several different cuisines).

But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian
subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for
spinach.

 More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
India.















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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 17 08:22:22 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:22:22 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes to both questions.

If it is an pre-amp intended for recordplayers it is almost certain with
RIAA.
If it has no RIAA correction you will not hear much bass in the music,
but you will hear music.
Bass sound is reduced with 20Db before putting on vinyl, so it would fit
on to the vinyl.
Thats why you need an RIAA correction to increase the bass sounds with
20db (I believe its 20Db).
A low quality RIAA correction can have an offsett on the cut-off
frequency or increase more or less than 20Db.
A turntable cell has an output of 1m volt or less. A line input/output
has 10 m volt or even more. A microphone has also 1m volt, but the RIAA
correction is not there so, you wont hear much of bass.

You can also connect your turntable to a Phono entry of a Mixer or
amplifier end connect the output of those to your pc.
It is my believe you will posibly get more noise that way. So I rather
would use a quality RIAA pre-amp.

Moving coil or Moving magnet. Thats also an important one, you should
check the type of Cell you have on your turntable and set the pre-amp
accordingly. 


greetz
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Erwin,

Wow, quite a collection!  I have about 150-200 LPs I would like to
record.

I have an Onkyo pre-amp at home.  It has a setting for moving coil or
moving magnet.  Am I correct that the pre-amp would most likely have the
RIAA correction that you talked about?

If so, would I then connect the turntable to the pre-amp then the
pre-amp to the line-in of my Creative Audigy 2 ZS?

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


<snip>

1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna
nee a pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio
Shack (15 years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but
you can find them elsewhere if you look hard enough. By a good RIAA
pre-amplifier. The quality of your digital file will depend on it
greatly. When using a pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp
en the RIAA preamp to the line in of your computer (NOT the micro=
distortion).
<snip>

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 17 08:23:41 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:23:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

For those other digitizers out there.
I have put my text on to 
http://www.ithelps.be/Erwin/Muziek/Default.htm 

I get the question a lot...

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:02 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Erwin,

Wow, quite a collection!  I have about 150-200 LPs I would like to
record.

I have an Onkyo pre-amp at home.  It has a setting for moving coil or
moving magnet.  Am I correct that the pre-amp would most likely have the
RIAA correction that you talked about?

If so, would I then connect the turntable to the pre-amp then the
pre-amp to the line-in of my Creative Audigy 2 ZS?

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


<snip>

1) When connecting a recordplayer directly to your computer you gonna
nee a pre-amplifier with RIAA correction. You could by these at Radio
Shack (15 years ago, because they don't exist anymore in Belgium), but
you can find them elsewhere if you look hard enough. By a good RIAA
pre-amplifier. The quality of your digital file will depend on it
greatly. When using a pre-amp, connect the turntable to the RIAA preamp
en the RIAA preamp to the line in of your computer (NOT the micro=
distortion).
<snip>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 17 08:27:42 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:27:42 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECKIGAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <419B168D.20878.19D1E107@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <419BEC7E.23411.1D15965F@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Nov 2004 at 8:15, John Bartow wrote:

> BTW what do you mean by "septics"? I've haven't seen that term before.
> 

Australian rhyming slang:

Septic Tank = Yank :-)




-- 
Stuart




From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Wed Nov 17 08:31:48 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:31:48 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1EA9@ALCUXB>

It's UK rhyming slang for Americans... Septic Tanks - Yanks...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: 17 November 2004 14:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


BTW what do you mean by "septics"? I've haven't seen that term before.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:

> WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>
> Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>
> Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
> restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to
try
> every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
tried
> yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
> that day. Have fun!
>

What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which
region incidentally has several different cuisines).

But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian
subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for
spinach.

 More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
India.















--
Stuart


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 09:15:39 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:15:39 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B552A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20041117091539.1179687995.serbach@new.rr.com>

Grandmaster PvG,

So, you were a disco DJ AND a radio DJ? My time in radio was the most fun I ever had at a job. I did some dance DJ work, too, but it was mainly for weddings and reunions.

Thank you for your detailed answer. When I recorded those voice tracks off of LP almost four years ago, I did, indeed, use my laptop, so your warning about the audio quality of the laptop sound card is right on. At the time the laptop was over three years old, too.

Since we played those old Whamco LPs to death while I was in radio, I wasn't too concerned that the quality wouldn't be very high. The LPs were cut in 1982 and I didn't try this analog-to-digital routine until 18 years later.

I appreciate all the advice, though I'm not sure what to do about the pre-amp. When I made my original recordings, my turntable was connected to my receiver, and I used the audio-out from the receiver into the line-in on my laptop. Would that be sufficient do you think? Or should I not use the receiver?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
> 
> Forgot one.
> 
> 9) When recording you may NEVER have a peak of 0Db, but you must set it
> as high as posible.
> Digital recording, in contrast with analogue, may never have a higher
> volume then 0Db.
> This is known as clipping. Everything that is higher will be cut off 
> and
> result in distortion.
> This may be your original problem...
> Due to this you gonna have to change the recording volume several times
> before recording a vinyl succesfully. Before recoding set the needle to
> the loudest part on the vinyl and adjust volume to that part. Keep
> closely looking if it does'nt clip when recording. 
> Do not change recording volume while recording!
> Setting the volume higher afterwards in the wave can result in higher
> noise.
> Do not use any volume enhancers like normalizing en 
> compressor/limiters.
> They will flatten your sound and should never be used in master files.
> They can conflict with other enhancements/equipment when playing
> afterwards.
> Like on radiostation or discotheques or even the enhancements in media
> player software (like Windows Media player etc).
> 




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 09:22:32 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:22:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50663@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50663@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <20041117092232.597931172.serbach@new.rr.com>

Ed,

I was unsuccessful in searching the archives for 'vinyl', but Grandmaster PvG posted a very detailed set of instructions and tips. Thanks.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Tesiny, Ed" <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov-16-2004 1:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
> 
> Steve,
> If you do a search in the dba-tech archives of "vinyl" you'll find some
> posts on this. I believe Arthur Fuller was successful in doing this but
> I don't know what the process was.  Actually, I would like to transfer 
> a
> bunch of LPs too.
> 
> 
> Ed Tesiny
> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Nov 17 09:27:16 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:27:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A2B356@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9E5@ADGSERVER>

I have a moving magnet cartridge.  I just threw out the extra info on the
moving coil because I knew that there was definitely pre-amp circuitry when
that was used.

As for the second item. are you saying that you would still recommend a
separate pre-amp rather than going through the pre-amp in the pre-amp (that
sounds funny)?  

Also, I take it that I would use the output from the pre-amp that goes to
the amp as the input to the sound card.  Correct?

Thanks again,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:22 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


Yes to both questions.

If it is an pre-amp intended for recordplayers it is almost certain with
RIAA. If it has no RIAA correction you will not hear much bass in the music,
but you will hear music. Bass sound is reduced with 20Db before putting on
vinyl, so it would fit on to the vinyl. Thats why you need an RIAA
correction to increase the bass sounds with 20db (I believe its 20Db). A low
quality RIAA correction can have an offsett on the cut-off frequency or
increase more or less than 20Db. A turntable cell has an output of 1m volt
or less. A line input/output has 10 m volt or even more. A microphone has
also 1m volt, but the RIAA correction is not there so, you wont hear much of
bass.

You can also connect your turntable to a Phono entry of a Mixer or amplifier
end connect the output of those to your pc. It is my believe you will
posibly get more noise that way. So I rather would use a quality RIAA
pre-amp.

Moving coil or Moving magnet. Thats also an important one, you should check
the type of Cell you have on your turntable and set the pre-amp accordingly.



greetz
 



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 17 13:37:43 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:37:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <419BEC7E.23411.1D15965F@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEDFIGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oh great, thanks a bunch, now the aussie and brits are caling US "sh!t
receptacles". E-gads, whats the world coming to?

I thought that was reserved for our spouses!
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


On 17 Nov 2004 at 8:15, John Bartow wrote:

> BTW what do you mean by "septics"? I've haven't seen that term before.
>

Australian rhyming slang:

Septic Tank = Yank :-)




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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 12:58:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:58:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20041116173210.01c45aa0@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B551F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20041116173210.01c45aa0@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a04111710582d6368a2@mail.gmail.com>

If you are suspecting hardware problems, one quick way to verify your
memory and perhaps the compatibility of your cpu w/ mobo is to test w/
a product called memtest it is freeware on the net,

memtest.org

and you can let your pc run for hours just testing each block of
memory over and over again, if the pc reboots again during the test,
you are looking at a possible heat problem rather than a virus/malware
problem.

alternatively if you do suspect it is one of these problems you can
download knoppix and streass the video card by running tux racer or
some other high i/o process to test a true stress level on your pc,
heat releated problems will surely give you this rebooting problem you
are looking at.


On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:53:17 -0500, Bob Geldart <bgeldart at verizon.net> wrote:
> Arthur,
> 
> Last spring I was having similar problems. Kept getting spontaneous
> reboots. Problem seemed to be most prevalent when I was using the scanner,
> or shutting down the CD burner. MS diagnostics kept telling me alternately
> that it was a memory problem, or bad drivers. Installed new memory. Also
> tried installing new drive. And of course I went crazy scanning for viruses
> and such. Nothing seemed to fix the problem completely.
> 
> My gut feeling is that it's a hardware issue. Futzing with the drive cables
> seemed to have the greatest value. Cables may not have been seated
> properly. Problem also seemed to be more prevalent in warmer weather,
> perhaps a heat problem, or power supply problem. I also suspected dirty
> power line, or perhaps voltage drops. Problem seemed to ease coincident
> with installation of Win2K.
> 
> I am convinced that this is a hardware problem, perhaps exacerbated by
> problem drivers. I do not turn my scanner off until I shut the PC down. I
> also am very careful about popping CDs in and out while programs may be
> running in other windows,   particularly before the program has signaled a
> readiness to deal with the CD drive. The PC still -- tho rarely -- reboots.
> In the last few months, I have experienced the problem only a couple of
> times that I remember. Last spring the problem was occuring almost daily.
> 
> Hope this helps somewhat. It is trememdously frustrating, I know. But try
> reseating cables and memory. Then check for updated drivers. And keep a
> record of the circumstances of the problem.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> >Fuller
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:25 AM
> >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >Subject: [dba-Tech] Virus that causes frequent reboots
> >
> >Maybe I got bit recently. But my win2k box reboots frequently, sometimes
> >when I'm nowhere near it and just watching tv in the same room. I use
> >AVG but it can't find anything amiss. Are there any known signs (files
> >etc.) that evince the presence of that virus/worm that causes frequent
> >reboots?
> >
> >I just got finished re-installing everything and I'd hate to have to do
> >it all over again.
> >
> >It seems that no matter what sort of burner I buy, I'm still way behind.
> >
> >My fave box has twin 80GB drives and a single sided DVF burner. Reminds
> >me of the days of FastBack floppy backups. Insert Disk #82. Sheesh.
> 
> 
> Bob Geldart             BGeldart at verizon.net
> Maynard, MA
> 
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 11:06:27 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:06:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.

Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold running chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded to the financial page for you.

.NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...

It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books and have them open at the same time.

Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 17 15:31:58 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:31:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

ROTFL.  

I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days learning
Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much Greek,
and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it or
how to interpret it.

I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven "how
can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really got
into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was no
Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users Group
sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would finally
have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group meetings.
There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.  

Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
"chocolates on the pillow".

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Dear Group,

For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the
difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing
that same application using .NET technologies.

Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold running
chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds
made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh
linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers
massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded
to the financial page for you.

.NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But
first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then
you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and
tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to
build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck
and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt
metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...

It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books
and have them open at the same time.

Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 17 15:46:39 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:46:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5535@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It should be efficiant...
I'm only afraid that pre-amp riaa inside an receiver/amp or mixer is
lower quality than a seperate one.
But I supose the worst thing that can happen is you need to give a bit
more or less bass....

However there can be some probs with this if other equipment is
connected to the same output.
I have a +/- 20 meter cable running from my living amp to my bedroom amp
and notice a difference in sound in the livingroom (the source) when the
cable is plugged in or not... 

So I think that one should avoid as much equipment as you can thats in
between the turntable and the computer. I read (forums) at least two
problems with the ground when using a mixer of receiver/amplifier. The
difference in ground caused a pretty hearable humming sound.


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Grandmaster PvG,

So, you were a disco DJ AND a radio DJ? My time in radio was the most
fun I ever had at a job. I did some dance DJ work, too, but it was
mainly for weddings and reunions.

Thank you for your detailed answer. When I recorded those voice tracks
off of LP almost four years ago, I did, indeed, use my laptop, so your
warning about the audio quality of the laptop sound card is right on. At
the time the laptop was over three years old, too.

Since we played those old Whamco LPs to death while I was in radio, I
wasn't too concerned that the quality wouldn't be very high. The LPs
were cut in 1982 and I didn't try this analog-to-digital routine until
18 years later.

I appreciate all the advice, though I'm not sure what to do about the
pre-amp. When I made my original recordings, my turntable was connected
to my receiver, and I used the audio-out from the receiver into the
line-in on my laptop. Would that be sufficient do you think? Or should I
not use the receiver?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
> 
> Forgot one.
> 
> 9) When recording you may NEVER have a peak of 0Db, but you must set 
> it as high as posible.
> Digital recording, in contrast with analogue, may never have a higher 
> volume then 0Db.
> This is known as clipping. Everything that is higher will be cut off 
> and result in distortion.
> This may be your original problem...
> Due to this you gonna have to change the recording volume several 
> times before recording a vinyl succesfully. Before recoding set the 
> needle to the loudest part on the vinyl and adjust volume to that 
> part. Keep closely looking if it does'nt clip when recording.
> Do not change recording volume while recording!
> Setting the volume higher afterwards in the wave can result in higher 
> noise.
> Do not use any volume enhancers like normalizing en 
> compressor/limiters.
> They will flatten your sound and should never be used in master files.
> They can conflict with other enhancements/equipment when playing 
> afterwards.
> Like on radiostation or discotheques or even the enhancements in media

> player software (like Windows Media player etc).
> 


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Nov 17 16:06:50 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:06:50 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000f01c4ccf1$bfff70f0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
in 1994 and there was no internet.
>>>
John,

It was Internet that time!
AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or July
1994 :) ...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> ROTFL.
>
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days learning
> Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much Greek,
> and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it or
> how to interpret it.
>
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
> Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven "how
> can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really got
> into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was no
> Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users Group
> sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would finally
> have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group meetings.
> There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
>
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> "chocolates on the pillow".
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the
> difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing
> that same application using .NET technologies.
>
> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
running
> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds
> made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh
> linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers
> massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper
unfolded
> to the financial page for you.
>
> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But
> first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods.
Then
> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and
> tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have
to
> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a
truck
> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
> boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt
> metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
>
> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books
> and have them open at the same time.
>
> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Nov 17 16:20:37 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:20:37 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002401c4ccf3$c8fd28d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Steven,

What VS.NET version do you use and what is your PC?
I've found VS.NET 2003 as RAD as MS Access or even more...
For professional programming of course not for making toys...
They say that VS.NET 2005 is outstanding comparing it with VS.NET 2003.
I haven't yet seen/touced VS.NET 2005...

> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many
>  reference books and have them open at the same time.
Why not use VS.NET's dynamic help with MSDN.NET?

> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
I think as soon as you get comfortable with VS.NET you'll change your
opinion about  it...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Dear Group,
>
> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the
difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing
that same application using .NET technologies.
>
> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
running chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service,
beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day,
fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers
massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded
to the financial page for you.
>
> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But
first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then
you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and
tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to
build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck
and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt
metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
>
> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books
and have them open at the same time.
>
> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
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From mark.breen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 15:42:18 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:42:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04111713422001063c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Guys,

I have just spent the last two days working on Access 2K.

I have done practically no work on Access since 1998 / 1999.

I was gobsmacked at how fast I was when working on it today.  At one
point, the client looked up to see whether I was only pretending to be
typing on the keyboard.

I have been using VB6 and SQL Server extensively for the last two
years, but I never have had someone look at me because I am so noisy
on the keyboard.

I guess the interface in Access is very ergonomic, because it
certainly lets you get at all the things you need rapidly.

Steve, I am about to plunge into .Net so, I will let you know what I
think.  I sounds beautiful from the luxury of the bed time read, I am
sure that i will find it different when I am using it in anger.

I liked the metaphor, 
We miss you on OT
Have you read about Reimann's hypothesis?

Mark



On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:31:58 -0500, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> ROTFL.
> 
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days learning
> Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much Greek,
> and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it or
> how to interpret it.
> 
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
> Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven "how
> can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really got
> into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was no
> Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users Group
> sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would finally
> have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group meetings.
> There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> 
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> "chocolates on the pillow".
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Dear Group,
> 
> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the
> difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing
> that same application using .NET technologies.
> 
> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold running
> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds
> made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh
> linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers
> massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded
> to the financial page for you.
> 
> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But
> first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then
> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and
> tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to
> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck
> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
> boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt
> metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
> 
> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books
> and have them open at the same time.
> 
> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From chizotz at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 17 17:30:49 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:30:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <111720042330.29910.7012@mchsi.com>

Actually, I'm very happy working in .NET and find it at least as fast and easy 
to develop in C# as I ever did in Access. There was a slight learning curve at 
first, but, truly, I didn't find it that difficult to make the change. I'm 
torn on whether my previous VB6 experience helped me or hindered me when I 
first went to .NET (I know that my C/C++ experience definitely did help me, 
since I switched from VS6 and VB to VS.NET and c# at the same time) but,  
regardless, I found the initial learning curve relatively painless. So I'm 
sorry but I can't agree with your metaphor :) And I think once you get past 
that initial learning curve, you'll like it too. 


> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the 
> difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing that 
> same application using .NET technologies.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 17 18:24:07 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:24:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4ccf1$bfff70f0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <007001c4cd04$eafcb610$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Shamil,

That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the women
sat around a campfire in front of the cave.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


<<<
in 1994 and there was no internet.
>>>
John,

It was Internet that time!
AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or July
1994 :) ...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> ROTFL.
>
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
> learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were 
> so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never 
> mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
>
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or 
> with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event 
> driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute 
> next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no 
> internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD 
> of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting singing 
> "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to about 
> Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very few books, 
> and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
>
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed 
> "chocolates on the pillow".
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe 
> the difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and 
> writing that same application using .NET technologies.
>
> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
running
> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, 
> beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every 
> day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, 
> Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite 
> newspaper
unfolded
> to the financial page for you.
>
> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. 
> But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the 
> woods.
Then
> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block 
> and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that 
> you have
to
> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a
truck
> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into 
> boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to 
> smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
>
> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference 
> books and have them open at the same time.
>
> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 21:39:51 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:39:51 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002401c4ccf3$c8fd28d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<002401c4ccf3$c8fd28d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <20041117213951.1706069503.serbach@new.rr.com>

Shamil,

I'm using VS.NET 2003. It's part of that nifty Microsoft ISV Empower program: the entire MSDN Universal subscription for $375. I think...yes. VS 2005 Beta is on the DVD set, too, but I'm not going to mess with it while I've got a deadline looming over me.

I just got an AMD 64 system with a GB of RAM, so the IDE is pretty quick.

I can well believe that you find VS.NET as RAD as Access. Like, you're a development god! I'm an intelligent guy but it takes a while for my synaptical engrams to reach a critical mass of understanding, where everything starts to fall comfortably into place. I am simply not comfortable yet.

I am, indeed, working on a professional project, but the deadline is approaching. It's a conversion of an existing Access application (that I also wrote) that stores industrial ergonomic data on factory worker's jobs complete with pictures showing job stresses. The Access program uses replication to keep everybody in synch. The switch to a SQL Server back end on the GoreNet will be a definite improvement.

The Help? Sheesh! I posted a message about using the help to scan through and count all the entries that begin with the word "data." Over 5,600 entries in the index, fer cry-yi! I'm having a bit more luck with the books I've purchased and with Google searches, while visiting the usual web resources: 4Guys, SQL Server Central, etc.

I'm sure I'll be fine with it pretty soon. This is simply deadline angst and I've got nobody else to cry to.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Steven,
> 
> What VS.NET version do you use and what is your PC?
> I've found VS.NET 2003 as RAD as MS Access or even more...
> For professional programming of course not for making toys...
> They say that VS.NET 2005 is outstanding comparing it with VS.NET 2003.
> I haven't yet seen/touced VS.NET 2005...
> 
> > It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many
> >  reference books and have them open at the same time.
> Why not use VS.NET's dynamic help with MSDN.NET?
> 
> > Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> I think as soon as you get comfortable with VS.NET you'll change your
> opinion about  it...
> 
> Shamil




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 21:47:01 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:47:01 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04111713422001063c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<26a96cce04111713422001063c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041117214701.1204322435.serbach@new.rr.com>

Mark,

>> but I never have had someone look at me because I am so noisy on the keyboard. <<

That's funny! I can just see it!

>> We miss you on OT <<

That's kind of you to say so. I've gotten interested in web logging lately (sweblog1.blogspot.com), but I have very little time for it.

>> Have you read about Reimann's hypothesis? <<

What, has a proof been found?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Mark Breen <mark.breen at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Hello Guys,
> 
> I have just spent the last two days working on Access 2K.
> 
> I have done practically no work on Access since 1998 / 1999.
> 
> I was gobsmacked at how fast I was when working on it today.  At one
> point, the client looked up to see whether I was only pretending to be
> typing on the keyboard.
> 
> I have been using VB6 and SQL Server extensively for the last two
> years, but I never have had someone look at me because I am so noisy
> on the keyboard.
> 
> I guess the interface in Access is very ergonomic, because it
> certainly lets you get at all the things you need rapidly.
> 
> Steve, I am about to plunge into .Net so, I will let you know what I
> think.  I sounds beautiful from the luxury of the bed time read, I am
> sure that i will find it different when I am using it in anger.
> 
> I liked the metaphor, 
> We miss you on OT
> Have you read about Reimann's hypothesis?
> 
> Mark




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 21:48:47 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:48:47 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <111720042330.29910.7012@mchsi.com>
References: <111720042330.29910.7012@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20041117214847.1652771822.serbach@new.rr.com>

>> So I'm sorry but I can't agree with your metaphor :) And I think once you get past 
that initial learning curve, you'll like it too. <<

That's OK. I have to vent every once in a while, ya know? I'm sure I'll agree with you by and by. And it's sure as heck where my development efforts are going to be geared for future projects. The GoreNet is IT, man.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: chizotz at mchsi.com
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Actually, I'm very happy working in .NET and find it at least as fast 
> and easy 
> to develop in C# as I ever did in Access. There was a slight learning 
> curve at 
> first, but, truly, I didn't find it that difficult to make the change. 
> I'm 
> torn on whether my previous VB6 experience helped me or hindered me 
> when I 
> first went to .NET (I know that my C/C++ experience definitely did help 
> me, 
> since I switched from VS6 and VB to VS.NET and c# at the same time) 
> but,  
> regardless, I found the initial learning curve relatively painless. So 
> I'm 
> sorry but I can't agree with your metaphor :) And I think once you get 
> past 
> that initial learning curve, you'll like it too. 




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 21:53:54 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:53:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I'm not sure that my programming history is as long or as intense as yours, but I guess as I get older my ability to absorb new technologies quickly is hampered. Though, I have to say, that .NET is so much bigger than any other new thing I've learned, I think I'm allowed a bit of bewilderment, eh?

I came to Access from Paradox for Windows, which I thought was the absolute coolest application I'd ever seen except for high-end CAD back in '93. Before that it was Paradox for DOS and dBASE IV, III, and II. I wrote my first dBASE II app in '82, I'm pretty sure. Dabbled with PL/I at the technical college in the early 70s and was able to put my nose against the glass to watch the operators feed my punch cards into an IBM 370. I still love punch cards.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> ROTFL.  
> 
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
> learning
> Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much 
> Greek,
> and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it 
> or
> how to interpret it.
> 
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
> Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven 
> "how
> can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really 
> got
> into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was 
> no
> Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users 
> Group
> sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would 
> finally
> have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group 
> meetings.
> There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.  
> 
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> "chocolates on the pillow".
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 21:57:31 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:57:31 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5535@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5535@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20041117215731.1864629146.serbach@new.rr.com>

Erwin,

>> The difference in ground caused a pretty hearable humming sound. <<

I can believe that. I remember in the early 80s how much trouble the chief engineer at our radio station had in trying to keep RF out of the recording studio equipment whenever anyone changed something or a new deck was added.

Thanks for all the great advice.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
> 
> It should be efficiant...
> I'm only afraid that pre-amp riaa inside an receiver/amp or mixer is
> lower quality than a seperate one.
> But I supose the worst thing that can happen is you need to give a bit
> more or less bass....
> 
> However there can be some probs with this if other equipment is
> connected to the same output.
> I have a +/- 20 meter cable running from my living amp to my bedroom 
> amp
> and notice a difference in sound in the livingroom (the source) when 
> the
> cable is plugged in or not... 
> 
> So I think that one should avoid as much equipment as you can thats in
> between the turntable and the computer. I read (forums) at least two
> problems with the ground when using a mixer of receiver/amplifier. The
> difference in ground caused a pretty hearable humming sound.
> 
> 
> Erwin
> 




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 18 01:24:41 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:24:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5536@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


For the the pre-amp or receiver pre-amp see my previous posting. 

Output of the pre-amp goes to the line-input of the computer.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

I have a moving magnet cartridge.  I just threw out the extra info on
the moving coil because I knew that there was definitely pre-amp
circuitry when that was used.

As for the second item. are you saying that you would still recommend a
separate pre-amp rather than going through the pre-amp in the pre-amp
(that sounds funny)?  

Also, I take it that I would use the output from the pre-amp that goes
to the amp as the input to the sound card.  Correct?

Thanks again,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
- IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:22 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio


Yes to both questions.

If it is an pre-amp intended for recordplayers it is almost certain with
RIAA. If it has no RIAA correction you will not hear much bass in the
music, but you will hear music. Bass sound is reduced with 20Db before
putting on vinyl, so it would fit on to the vinyl. Thats why you need an
RIAA correction to increase the bass sounds with 20db (I believe its
20Db). A low quality RIAA correction can have an offsett on the cut-off
frequency or increase more or less than 20Db. A turntable cell has an
output of 1m volt or less. A line input/output has 10 m volt or even
more. A microphone has also 1m volt, but the RIAA correction is not
there so, you wont hear much of bass.

You can also connect your turntable to a Phono entry of a Mixer or
amplifier end connect the output of those to your pc. It is my believe
you will posibly get more noise that way. So I rather would use a
quality RIAA pre-amp.

Moving coil or Moving magnet. Thats also an important one, you should
check the type of Cell you have on your turntable and set the pre-amp
accordingly.



greetz
 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Nov 18 05:39:28 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:39:28 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <007001c4cd04$eafcb610$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <006a01c4cd63$50eafb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

No, John :)

The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really
helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup...
...when I've first got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something
really new to read from it...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Shamil,
>
> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
women
> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> <<<
> in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> John,
>
> It was Internet that time!
> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or July
> 1994 :) ...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> > ROTFL.
> >
> > I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days
> > learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were
> > so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never
> > mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
> >
> > I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or
> > with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event
> > driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute
> > next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no
> > internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD
> > of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting singing
> > "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to about
> > Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very few books,
> > and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> >
> > Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> > "chocolates on the pillow".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe
> > the difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and
> > writing that same application using .NET technologies.
> >
> > Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
> running
> > chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service,
> > beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every
> > day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo,
> > Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite
> > newspaper
> unfolded
> > to the financial page for you.
> >
> > .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage.
> > But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the
> > woods.
> Then
> > you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block
> > and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that
> > you have
> to
> > build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a
> truck
> > and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
> > boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to
> > smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
> >
> > It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference
> > books and have them open at the same time.
> >
> > Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 18 05:52:14 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:52:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19c9b0a.030@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil and John
 
Well, I did with only the MS developer manuals included with Access 1.x
and 2.0 and later with that for Access 97. I haven't bought a single
book on Access development ... the list members have been able to answer
about 90% of my questions.
 
/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-11-2004 12:39:28 >>>

No, John :)

The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times
when
everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was
really
helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup...
...when I've first got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find
something
really new to read from it...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Shamil,
>
> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
women
> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> <<<
> in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> John,
>
> It was Internet that time!
> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
July
> 1994 :) ...
>
> Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Nov 18 06:16:40 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:16:40 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <s19c9b0a.030@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00ae01c4cd68$77131a50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Yes, I agree Gustav,

But there is a book by a developer who is a real guru in MS Access - Stan
Leszinsky and his "MS Access 97 Expert Solutions" - this one gave me a lot
of new experience and "food for thought"...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Hi Shamil and John
>
> Well, I did with only the MS developer manuals included with Access 1.x
> and 2.0 and later with that for Access 97. I haven't bought a single
> book on Access development ... the list members have been able to answer
> about 90% of my questions.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-11-2004 12:39:28 >>>
>
> No, John :)
>
> The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times
> when
> everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
> application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was
> really
> helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup...
> ...when I've first got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find
> something
> really new to read from it...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
> women
> > sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> > <<<
> > in 1994 and there was no internet.
> > >>>
> > John,
> >
> > It was Internet that time!
> > AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
> July
> > 1994 :) ...
> >
> > Shamil
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 08:33:45 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:33:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002401c4cd7b$9bcbc230$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with .net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.

I never actually used punched cards.  I did enter data into a vt100 with a
punched card drawn on the screen were you had to enter the FORTRAN syntax
into specific columns.  YUK!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


John,

I'm not sure that my programming history is as long or as intense as yours,
but I guess as I get older my ability to absorb new technologies quickly is
hampered. Though, I have to say, that .NET is so much bigger than any other
new thing I've learned, I think I'm allowed a bit of bewilderment, eh?

I came to Access from Paradox for Windows, which I thought was the absolute
coolest application I'd ever seen except for high-end CAD back in '93.
Before that it was Paradox for DOS and dBASE IV, III, and II. I wrote my
first dBASE II app in '82, I'm pretty sure. Dabbled with PL/I at the
technical college in the early 70s and was able to put my nose against the
glass to watch the operators feed my punch cards into an IBM 370. I still
love punch cards.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> ROTFL.
> 
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days
> learning
> Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much 
> Greek,
> and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it 
> or
> how to interpret it.
> 
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or 
> with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event 
> driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute 
> next".  I really got
> into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was 
> no
> Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users 
> Group
> sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would 
> finally
> have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group 
> meetings.
> There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.  
> 
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed 
> "chocolates on the pillow".
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 09:04:58 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:04:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002401c4cd7b$9bcbc230$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<002401c4cd7b$9bcbc230$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20041118090458.384464276.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

>> I did enter data into a vt100 with a punched card drawn on the screen were you had to enter the FORTRAN syntax into specific columns. ?YUK! <<

The old VT-100, eh? Back when audible keystroke feedback was deemed desirable. I have to admit that I liked the keyboard click on the original DEC Rainbow 100 (you could mute it if you wanted to), as well as the scooped-out F, J, and 5 keys for home-row location.

As far as that card drawn on the screen, sometimes I think that we as developers aren't making it obvious enough for our users. Back then there were RULES and, by God, you FOLLOWED them!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 8:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with 
> .net is
> that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still 
> have to
> expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is 
> possible
> that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be 
> nice if
> it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw 
> unless
> you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  
> 
> The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
> different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
> inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
> information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
> absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.
> 
> I never actually used punched cards.  I did enter data into a vt100 
> with a
> punched card drawn on the screen were you had to enter the FORTRAN 
> syntax
> into specific columns.  YUK!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 09:21:16 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:21:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEKBEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

ROTFLMAO!

People would say the same about VB too!  I don't think it's quite that bad....just depends on your taste.  For example, if you don't like your underwear starched, in VB, you just don't have it done, in Access, you have to constantly ask the maids to stop doing that, over and over and over.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Dear Group,

For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.

Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold running chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded to the financial page for you.

.NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...

It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books and have them open at the same time.

Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 09:29:57 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:29:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041118090458.384464276.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHCEKDEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

A lot of keyboards still have home row indicators.  I have a pretty new Microsoft multimedia keyboard, and the F, J, and 5 keys have little bars on them.  I've seen lots of them with dots.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


John,

>> I did enter data into a vt100 with a punched card drawn on the screen were you had to enter the FORTRAN syntax into specific columns.  YUK! <<

The old VT-100, eh? Back when audible keystroke feedback was deemed desirable. I have to admit that I liked the keyboard click on the original DEC Rainbow 100 (you could mute it if you wanted to), as well as the scooped-out F, J, and 5 keys for home-row location.

As far as that card drawn on the screen, sometimes I think that we as developers aren't making it obvious enough for our users. Back then there were RULES and, by God, you FOLLOWED them!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 8:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with 
> .net is
> that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still 
> have to
> expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is 
> possible
> that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be 
> nice if
> it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw 
> unless
> you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  
> 
> The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
> different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
> inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
> information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
> absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.
> 
> I never actually used punched cards.  I did enter data into a vt100 
> with a
> punched card drawn on the screen were you had to enter the FORTRAN 
> syntax
> into specific columns.  YUK!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 09:31:01 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:31:01 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Local profiles
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1EBE@ALCUXB>

Hi all
 
I'm trying to get a little bit more life out of an old ancient pc here while
I'm waiting for a replacement to be delivered. It's got a 2gb partition for
the c:\ drive, and as you might imagine, that isn't really enough. I'm sure
that somewhere there is a place where you can specify the location of
documents and settings, which I want to move to the d:\ drive, which is a
6gb partition, but I can't find it... Any clues? Using win2k by the way.
 
TIA
 
 
Jon


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov 18 09:41:00 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:41:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Local profiles
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F3397F@nprdex02.nns.com>

Jon,

How To Change the Default Location of User Profiles and Program Settings
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q322014&


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Local profiles


Hi all
 
I'm trying to get a little bit more life out of an old ancient pc here while
I'm waiting for a replacement to be delivered. It's got a 2gb partition for
the c:\ drive, and as you might imagine, that isn't really enough. I'm sure
that somewhere there is a place where you can specify the location of
documents and settings, which I want to move to the d:\ drive, which is a
6gb partition, but I can't find it... Any clues? Using win2k by the way.
 
TIA
 
 
Jon


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 09:42:08 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:42:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <006a01c4cd63$50eafb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I worked
at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time
there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
19,000 networks attached.

I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 60s and
70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and "google"
any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits.  In 1994 you somehow
had access to a MS Access newsgroup.  Having access to a newsgroup and
having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you care to
read about are two very different things.

Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting round
the campfire in front of the cave.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


No, John :)

The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really
helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've first
got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new to read
from it...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Shamil,
>
> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
women
> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> <<<
> in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> John,
>
> It was Internet that time!
> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or 
> July 1994 :) ...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> > ROTFL.
> >
> > I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
> > learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were 
> > so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never 
> > mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
> >
> > I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or 
> > with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event 
> > driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute 
> > next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was 
> > no internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the 
> > BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting 
> > singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to 
> > about Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very 
> > few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> >
> > Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is 
> > indeed "chocolates on the pillow".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
> > W.
> Erbach
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to 
> > describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft 
> > Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.
> >
> > Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
> running
> > chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, 
> > beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every 
> > day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, 
> > Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your 
> > favorite newspaper
> unfolded
> > to the financial page for you.
> >
> > .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. 
> > But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the 
> > woods.
> Then
> > you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block 
> > and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that 
> > you have
> to
> > build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto 
> > a
> truck
> > and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs 
> > into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how 
> > to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and 
> > such...
> >
> > It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference 
> > books and have them open at the same time.
> >
> > Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 18 09:42:12 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:42:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19cd107.002@cactus.dk>

Hi John
 
What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with
.net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still
have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is
possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be
nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw
unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in
Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 09:45:58 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:45:58 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Local profiles
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1EC7@ALCUXB>

Thanks a lot Mark, much appreciated


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: 18 November 2004 15:41
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Local profiles


Jon,

How To Change the Default Location of User Profiles and Program Settings
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q322014&


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Local profiles


Hi all
 
I'm trying to get a little bit more life out of an old ancient pc here while
I'm waiting for a replacement to be delivered. It's got a 2gb partition for
the c:\ drive, and as you might imagine, that isn't really enough. I'm sure
that somewhere there is a place where you can specify the location of
documents and settings, which I want to move to the d:\ drive, which is a
6gb partition, but I can't find it... Any clues? Using win2k by the way.
 
TIA
 
 
Jon


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 09:51:42 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:51:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <s19cd107.002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c4cd86$8116bfc0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

The end user in this case is the programmer.  The programmer is presented
with well over 3000 classes, of which probably 300-500 are normally "useful"
to the programmer.  The rest are parent, grand parent objects etc back up
the inheritance chain.  Most of those objects are not really very useful on
a day to day basis, but they are documented and their documentation obscures
the vision.  Kinda like the forest for the trees.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:42 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John
 
What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with .net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 18 09:57:35 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:57:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19cd490.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John
 
I see. But how do you (or any other following this thread) manage
that?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 16:51:42 >>>

The end user in this case is the programmer.  The programmer is
presented
with well over 3000 classes, of which probably 300-500 are normally
"useful"
to the programmer.  The rest are parent, grand parent objects etc back
up
the inheritance chain.  Most of those objects are not really very
useful on
a day to day basis, but they are documented and their documentation
obscures
the vision.  Kinda like the forest for the trees.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:42 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John

What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with
.net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still
have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is
possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be
nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw
unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in
Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 10:06:26 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <s19cd490.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002e01c4cd88$8fda9610$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  Buy a book - or several.  

Someone was mentioning getting "thousands of hits" on a search of help for
some subject.  That is what I mean by too much stuff in the help system.
Yea, it is good to have it documented, but it would be nice to have it not
show up unless specifically asked for.  All the end user classes should be
searched, then a drill down to look at inherited stuff if you want to.  That
isn't how it works, and probably never will work that way so it's all a moo
point.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:58 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John
 
I see. But how do you (or any other following this thread) manage that?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 16:51:42 >>>

The end user in this case is the programmer.  The programmer is presented
with well over 3000 classes, of which probably 300-500 are normally "useful"
to the programmer.  The rest are parent, grand parent objects etc back up
the inheritance chain.  Most of those objects are not really very useful on
a day to day basis, but they are documented and their documentation obscures
the vision.  Kinda like the forest for the trees.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:42 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John

What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with .net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 10:10:08 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:10:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHCEKDEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <20041118090458.384464276.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHCEKDEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <20041118101008.220626546.serbach@new.rr.com>

Drew,

Oh, yeah, I'd say most if not all confuser keyboards have those little raised nubs of one sort or another. I found that the DEC method of scooping out the F, J, and 5 keys was pleasing, is all.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 9:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> A lot of keyboards still have home row indicators.  I have a pretty new 
> Microsoft multimedia keyboard, and the F, J, and 5 keys have little 
> bars on them.  I've seen lots of them with dots.
> 
> Drew




From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 10:11:09 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:11:09 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEKBEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEKBEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <20041118101109.116151957.serbach@new.rr.com>

Drew,

>> you have to constantly ask the maids to stop doing that, over and over and over. <<

Good one!

Are you using .NET for development at all?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 9:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> ROTFLMAO!
> 
> People would say the same about VB too!  I don't think it's quite that 
> bad....just depends on your taste.  For example, if you don't like your 
> underwear starched, in VB, you just don't have it done, in Access, you 
> have to constantly ask the maids to stop doing that, over and over and 
> over.
> 
> Drew




From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 10:28:15 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:28:15 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4cd88$8fda9610$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <s19cd490.003@cactus.dk>
	<002e01c4cd88$8fda9610$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20041118102815.317715994.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

>> All the end user classes should be searched, then a drill down to look at inherited stuff if you want to. ?That isn't how it works, and probably never will work that way so it's all a moot point. <<

I've wondered about the organization of the "help" myself. You're right about the inheritance hierarchy. One would think that a switch could be invoked to allow the hierarchical detail to be displayed, something like the sub datasheet concept in Access. Yeah, it's a moot point, but we're the poor schmucks that have to deal with the help system.

Speaking of books, I purchased the entire Murach series on .NET development and SQL Server (Beginning Visual Basic .NET, VB.NET Database Programming w/ADO.NET, ASP.NET Web Programming w/VB.NET, and SQL for SQL Server) as well as the O'Reilly Programming ASP.NET, and the Microsoft ASP.NET Programming with Visual Basic.NET Step by Step and Web Database Development Step by Step .NET edition. How about you?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 10:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> LOL.  Buy a book - or several.  
> 
> Someone was mentioning getting "thousands of hits" on a search of help 
> for
> some subject.  That is what I mean by too much stuff in the help 
> system.
> Yea, it is good to have it documented, but it would be nice to have it 
> not
> show up unless specifically asked for.  All the end user classes should 
> be
> searched, then a drill down to look at inherited stuff if you want to.  
> That
> isn't how it works, and probably never will work that way so it's all a 
> moo
> point.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 18 10:33:44 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30A2B553@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB9F4@ADGSERVER>

Thanks for all the advice Erwin.  Now to find the time to get started on
it...

Bobby



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 10:32:18 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:32:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <s19cd490.003@cactus.dk>
References: <s19cd490.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20041118103218.1976617432.serbach@new.rr.com>

Gustav,

Books and web sites and Google. There are courses offered, of course, for .NET technologies as part of the Microsoft certification process. I just can't afford that sort of thing. They might help me get to the point of "critical mass" faster, at which my understanding overtakes my puzzlement...but I can only do it the old fashioned way: steal from other sources.

Steve

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 10:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Hi John
>  
> I see. But how do you (or any other following this thread) manage
> that?
>  
> /gustav




From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 10:38:14 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:38:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEKPEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

UseNet has been around for a long time.  I think it started in 81.

There were ISP's.  Prodigy, and Compuserve come to mind.  A lot of BBSes
hopped onto smaller 'nets', like FIDONET.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I worked
at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time
there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
19,000 networks attached.

I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 60s and
70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and "google"
any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits.  In 1994 you somehow
had access to a MS Access newsgroup.  Having access to a newsgroup and
having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you care to
read about are two very different things.

Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting round
the campfire in front of the cave.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


No, John :)

The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really
helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've first
got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new to read
from it...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Shamil,
>
> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
women
> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> <<<
> in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> John,
>
> It was Internet that time!
> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
> July 1994 :) ...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> > ROTFL.
> >
> > I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days
> > learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were
> > so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never
> > mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
> >
> > I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or
> > with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event
> > driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute
> > next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was
> > no internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the
> > BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting
> > singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to
> > about Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very
> > few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> >
> > Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is
> > indeed "chocolates on the pillow".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> > W.
> Erbach
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to
> > describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft
> > Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.
> >
> > Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
> running
> > chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service,
> > beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every
> > day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo,
> > Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your
> > favorite newspaper
> unfolded
> > to the financial page for you.
> >
> > .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage.
> > But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the
> > woods.
> Then
> > you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block
> > and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that
> > you have
> to
> > build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto
> > a
> truck
> > and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs
> > into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how
> > to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and
> > such...
> >
> > It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference
> > books and have them open at the same time.
> >
> > Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
> >
> >
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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 10:40:13 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:40:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041118101109.116151957.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHAELAEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Not yet.  I'm getting a gentle shove from someone I do subcontracting for, to get into ASP.NET.

I've played around with VB.Net.   It's okay.  Doesn't knock my socks off.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Drew,

>> you have to constantly ask the maids to stop doing that, over and over and over. <<

Good one!

Are you using .NET for development at all?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Drew Wutka <dbatech at wolfwares.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 9:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> ROTFLMAO!
> 
> People would say the same about VB too!  I don't think it's quite that 
> bad....just depends on your taste.  For example, if you don't like your 
> underwear starched, in VB, you just don't have it done, in Access, you 
> have to constantly ask the maids to stop doing that, over and over and 
> over.
> 
> Drew


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 18 10:35:40 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:35:40 +0100
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19cdd8a.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve with the unlimited book budget ...
 
Holy .... How do ever get time for programming?
 
Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
 
/gustav

>>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 17:28:15 >>>

John,

>> All the end user classes should be searched, then a drill down to
look at inherited stuff if you want to.  That isn't how it works, and
probably never will work that way so it's all a moot point. <<

I've wondered about the organization of the "help" myself. You're right
about the inheritance hierarchy. One would think that a switch could be
invoked to allow the hierarchical detail to be displayed, something like
the sub datasheet concept in Access. Yeah, it's a moot point, but we're
the poor schmucks that have to deal with the help system.

Speaking of books, I purchased the entire Murach series on .NET
development and SQL Server (Beginning Visual Basic .NET, VB.NET Database
Programming w/ADO.NET, ASP.NET Web Programming w/VB.NET, and SQL for SQL
Server) as well as the O'Reilly Programming ASP.NET, and the Microsoft
ASP.NET Programming with Visual Basic.NET Step by Step and Web Database
Development Step by Step .NET edition. How about you?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 11:17:51 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:17:51 -0600
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <s19cdd8a.008@cactus.dk>
References: <s19cdd8a.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20041118111751.1010259284.serbach@new.rr.com>

Gustav,

>> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<

The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no alternative since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:02 AM
> Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Hi Steve with the unlimited book budget ...
>  
> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming?
>  
> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
>  
> /gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 18 11:32:56 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:32:56 +0100
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19ceaf2.012@cactus.dk>

OK Steve, that makes sense.
 
/gustav

>>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>

Gustav,

>> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<

The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no alternative
since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:02 AM
> Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Hi Steve with the unlimited book budget ...
>  
> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming?
>  
> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
>  
> /gustav



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 11:42:58 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:42:58 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04111809421b3b57f8@mail.gmail.com>

ROTFL
> I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.
Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet,
but granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there
is now a days.

on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a
small chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net
runtimes on your machine or destination machines that do not have your
version of .net (remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps,
making sure you had the right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is
deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net 2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the
target machines if they are going to run effeciently.  Windows 2000
does not have the .net runtimes by default, so you must remember to
include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.

that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and
then IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on
the pc.  things that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a
second or two while the screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.

the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+
runtime along with your application if your customer is not already
running access.  Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a
networked FE/BE deployment.


On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:31:58 -0500, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> ROTFL.
> 
> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days learning
> Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much Greek,
> and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it or
> how to interpret it.
> 
> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
> Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven "how
> can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really got
> into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was no
> Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users Group
> sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would finally
> have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group meetings.
> There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> 
> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> "chocolates on the pillow".
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Dear Group,
> 
> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to describe the
> difference between writing an application in Microsoft Access and writing
> that same application using .NET technologies.
> 
> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold running
> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, beds
> made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every day, fresh
> linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, Magic Fingers
> massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your favorite newspaper unfolded
> to the financial page for you.
> 
> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. But
> first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the woods. Then
> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block and
> tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that you have to
> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a truck
> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs into
> boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how to smelt
> metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and such...
> 
> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference books
> and have them open at the same time.
> 
> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon!


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 12:11:45 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:11:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04111809421b3b57f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c4cd9a$117b08b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I
remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked
like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point,
then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I
know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
internet today.  

My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  Yea
right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year
old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.  

So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.

On to more important things...

>that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then
IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.

I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either.
Why would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework is
not used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built into
Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to begin
with?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


ROTFL
> I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no 
> internet.
Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but
granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a
days.

on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small
chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on
your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net
(remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the
right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net
2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run
effeciently.  Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so
you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.

that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS
loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.
things that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two
while the screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.

the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime
along with your application if your customer is not already running access.
Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE
deployment.





From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 13:27:36 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:27:36 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4cd9a$117b08b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <b874372a04111809421b3b57f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01c4cd9a$117b08b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20041118132736.1411819359.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I loved CompuServe, especially when it became a local call. That's what gave me my biggest boost as a developer, I think.

I was curious about Francisco's reference to the deployment of the .NET framework, too. I'm sure he means when you construct a Windows Application as a .NET Project, THEN you've got to make sure that the user has the framework stuff. But, as far as I can tell, an ASP .NET application doesn't even require Windows to run, just a browser, eh?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of 
> yore... I
> remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just 
> looked
> like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
> thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access 
> point,
> then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
> modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
> modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, 
> and I
> know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
> existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
> internet today.  
> 
> My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  
> Yea
> right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 
> year
> old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.  
> 
> So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.
> 
> On to more important things...
> 
> >that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and 
> then
> IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the 
> pc.
> 
> I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it 
> either.
> Why would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework 
> is
> not used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built 
> into
> Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to 
> begin
> with?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 18 13:54:11 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:54:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <s19c9b0a.030@cactus.dk>
	<00ae01c4cd68$77131a50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <419CFDE3.2090306@shaw.ca>

Is that because the whole book is online from a Russian site ;).
http://c85.cemi.rssi.ru/access/Books/A97ExSol/contents.htm

Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

>Yes, I agree Gustav,
>
>But there is a book by a developer who is a real guru in MS Access - Stan
>Leszinsky and his "MS Access 97 Expert Solutions" - this one gave me a lot
>of new experience and "food for thought"...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Shamil and John
>>
>>Well, I did with only the MS developer manuals included with Access 1.x
>>and 2.0 and later with that for Access 97. I haven't bought a single
>>book on Access development ... the list members have been able to answer
>>about 90% of my questions.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>shamil at users.mns.ru 18-11-2004 12:39:28 >>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>No, John :)
>>
>>The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times
>>when
>>everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
>>application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was
>>really
>>helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup...
>>...when I've first got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find
>>something
>>really new to read from it...
>>
>>Shamil
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Shamil,
>>>
>>>That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
>>>      
>>>
>>women
>>    
>>
>>>sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>>>
>>>John W. Colby
>>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>>>Salakhetdinov
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
>>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>>
>>>
>>><<<
>>>in 1994 and there was no internet.
>>>      
>>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>It was Internet that time!
>>>AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
>>>      
>>>
>>July
>>    
>>
>>>1994 :) ...
>>>
>>>Shamil
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dba-Tech mailing list
>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 14:02:05 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:02:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4cd9a$117b08b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHOELKEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Actually JC, those slow connections, and BBS like environments are the true
Internet.  I think you are confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web.
I believe the 'birth' of the WWW came much later then the Internet, with the
dawn of HTML.  Before then, the Internet didn't really have a 'face', it was
just text.

Compuserve was mainly text, though, if I remember right, it had some sort of
ANSI interface, a lot like many BBSes of the time. Prodigy, on the other
hand, was far more like AOL.  It had it's own 'browser' or 'interface',
which it could put graphics into, etc.  When HTML came about, it
revolutionized how data was displayed.

I really think that is the distinction.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I
remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked
like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point,
then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I
know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
internet today.

My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  Yea
right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year
old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.

So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.

On to more important things...

>that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then
IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.

I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either.
Why would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework is
not used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built into
Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to begin
with?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


ROTFL
> I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no
> internet.
Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but
granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a
days.

on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small
chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on
your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net
(remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the
right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net
2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run
effeciently.  Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so
you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.

that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS
loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.
things that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two
while the screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.

the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime
along with your application if your customer is not already running access.
Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE
deployment.



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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Nov 18 15:01:01 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:01:01 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <s19c9b0a.030@cactus.dk><00ae01c4cd68$77131a50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<419CFDE3.2090306@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003201c4cdb1$b726df20$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Is that because the whole book is online from a Russian site ;).
No, Marty, I have it as a real book (got it in Germany in 1997)
And I didn't redistribute an electronic copy from its CD. :)

I think the fact that it's on Internet is an additional approval that it's a
very good and useful book.
But there is no figures on this online copy - this makes it not so useful as
the book itself.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Is that because the whole book is online from a Russian site ;).
> http://c85.cemi.rssi.ru/access/Books/A97ExSol/contents.htm
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>
> >Yes, I agree Gustav,
> >
> >But there is a book by a developer who is a real guru in MS Access - Stan
> >Leszinsky and his "MS Access 97 Expert Solutions" - this one gave me a
lot
> >of new experience and "food for thought"...
> >
> >Shamil
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> >To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:52 PM
> >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Shamil and John
> >>
> >>Well, I did with only the MS developer manuals included with Access 1.x
> >>and 2.0 and later with that for Access 97. I haven't bought a single
> >>book on Access development ... the list members have been able to answer
> >>about 90% of my questions.
> >>
> >>/gustav
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>shamil at users.mns.ru 18-11-2004 12:39:28 >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>No, John :)
> >>
> >>The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times
> >>when
> >>everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
> >>application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was
> >>really
> >>helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup...
> >>...when I've first got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find
> >>something
> >>really new to read from it...
> >>
> >>Shamil
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> >><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
> >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Shamil,
> >>>
> >>>That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>women
> >>
> >>
> >>>sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
> >>>
> >>>John W. Colby
> >>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>>
> >>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> >>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> >>>Salakhetdinov
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >>>
> >>>
> >>><<<
> >>>in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>John,
> >>>
> >>>It was Internet that time!
> >>>AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>July
> >>
> >>
> >>>1994 :) ...
> >>>
> >>>Shamil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>dba-Tech mailing list
> >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 15:04:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:04:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHOELKEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c4cdb2$36a65640$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Of course you are right, html and the www is just a part of the internet,
but so too is the fact that every one of my sisters is online, as well as
virtually every company in the world.  The www for all intents and purposes
IS the internet now.  Take that away and what would you have left?  My
sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship.

In any event, according to the history I came up with, the internet had less
that 20 thousand networks connected together around the entire world in
1990.  When you dialed in to CompuServe, you were just hitting a server or a
bunch of servers.  In fact in the early days CompuServe had to go into many
of the cities around the country and set up their own servers, get them on
the internet just so that they could take the phone calls coming in the
modems.

Without a doubt, 95% of what you did on CompuServe never left their servers
(other than email).

Nowadays John Colby has (or had anyway) an IIS server serving up web pages.
And there are tens if not hundreds of millions of such servers.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Actually JC, those slow connections, and BBS like environments are the true
Internet.  I think you are confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web. I
believe the 'birth' of the WWW came much later then the Internet, with the
dawn of HTML.  Before then, the Internet didn't really have a 'face', it was
just text.

Compuserve was mainly text, though, if I remember right, it had some sort of
ANSI interface, a lot like many BBSes of the time. Prodigy, on the other
hand, was far more like AOL.  It had it's own 'browser' or 'interface',
which it could put graphics into, etc.  When HTML came about, it
revolutionized how data was displayed.

I really think that is the distinction.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I
remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked
like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point,
then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I
know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
internet today.

My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  Yea
right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year
old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.

So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.

On to more important things...

>that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and 
>then
IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.

I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either. Why
would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework is not
used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built into
Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to begin
with?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


ROTFL
> I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no 
> internet.
Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but
granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a
days.

on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small
chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on
your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net
(remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the
right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net
2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run
effeciently.  Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so
you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.

that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS
loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc. things
that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two while the
screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.

the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime
along with your application if your customer is not already running access.
Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE
deployment.



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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 15:32:43 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:32:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <005b01c4cdb2$36a65640$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHOELKEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
	<005b01c4cdb2$36a65640$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20041118153243.496309868.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

>> My sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship. <<

I'm going to tell! You compared your sisters to rats!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 3:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Of course you are right, html and the www is just a part of the 
> internet,
> but so too is the fact that every one of my sisters is online, as well 
> as
> virtually every company in the world.  The www for all intents and 
> purposes
> IS the internet now.  Take that away and what would you have left?  My
> sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship.
> 
> In any event, according to the history I came up with, the internet had 
> less
> that 20 thousand networks connected together around the entire world in
> 1990.  When you dialed in to CompuServe, you were just hitting a server 
> or a
> bunch of servers.  In fact in the early days CompuServe had to go into 
> many
> of the cities around the country and set up their own servers, get them 
> on
> the internet just so that they could take the phone calls coming in the
> modems.
> 
> Without a doubt, 95% of what you did on CompuServe never left their 
> servers
> (other than email).
> 
> Nowadays John Colby has (or had anyway) an IIS server serving up web 
> pages.
> And there are tens if not hundreds of millions of such servers.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 15:41:47 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:41:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041118153243.496309868.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006101c4cdb7$690dae30$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

>I'm going to tell! You compared your sisters to rats!


Have you seen my sisters?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


John,

>> My sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship. <<

I'm going to tell! You compared your sisters to rats!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 18 16:33:34 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:33:34 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <006a01c4cd63$50eafb90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <419DAFDE.10136.23F8D53E@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Nov 2004 at 10:42, John W. Colby wrote:

> I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I worked
> at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
> talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
> ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
> internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time
> there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
> 19,000 networks attached.
> 

The WWW is NOT the Internet.   In September 1993, the WWW accounted for 
0.1% of Internet traffic. At  that time it was used mainly for email, and 
for Usenet which was really developed in the late 80s  
.
I was connected through BRISBUG in Brisbane, Australia. (Brisbane PC Users 
Group founded in 1985)  before "the September that never ended" (google it 
if you don't know what that means)

It was dial up to a unix box.  For the cost of a local phone (untimed) I 
had access to the world - admittedly fairly slowly.

There were already many thousands of news groups including a number similar 
to this list dedicated to programming in various languages. As well as all 
the alt.binaries of course :-)

The early WWW was also already available. Initially I was browsing the web 
with Lynx (text based) and then discovered Mosaic.  First time I found 
myself connected to and reading material on a server in another country I 
had the feeling that this thing might take off :-).







-- 
Stuart




From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 16:53:12 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:53:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <005b01c4cdb2$36a65640$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEMDEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

Sure, the internet usage would drop through the floor if HTML and web pages
disappeared.  People can SMS instead of email.  I'm just pointing out that
it was there.  'Newsgroups' were part of those days though.  Newsgroups are
functionally the same as email, with just a few minor changes.

Admittedly it was mainly tech stuff (and probably porn...which of course is
the driving force behind most technological advances... ;) ), but I wouldn't
have been surprised that there were Access 'newsgroups' back then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Of course you are right, html and the www is just a part of the internet,
but so too is the fact that every one of my sisters is online, as well as
virtually every company in the world.  The www for all intents and purposes
IS the internet now.  Take that away and what would you have left?  My
sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship.

In any event, according to the history I came up with, the internet had less
that 20 thousand networks connected together around the entire world in
1990.  When you dialed in to CompuServe, you were just hitting a server or a
bunch of servers.  In fact in the early days CompuServe had to go into many
of the cities around the country and set up their own servers, get them on
the internet just so that they could take the phone calls coming in the
modems.

Without a doubt, 95% of what you did on CompuServe never left their servers
(other than email).

Nowadays John Colby has (or had anyway) an IIS server serving up web pages.
And there are tens if not hundreds of millions of such servers.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Actually JC, those slow connections, and BBS like environments are the true
Internet.  I think you are confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web. I
believe the 'birth' of the WWW came much later then the Internet, with the
dawn of HTML.  Before then, the Internet didn't really have a 'face', it was
just text.

Compuserve was mainly text, though, if I remember right, it had some sort of
ANSI interface, a lot like many BBSes of the time. Prodigy, on the other
hand, was far more like AOL.  It had it's own 'browser' or 'interface',
which it could put graphics into, etc.  When HTML came about, it
revolutionized how data was displayed.

I really think that is the distinction.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I
remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked
like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point,
then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I
know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
internet today.

My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  Yea
right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year
old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.

So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.

On to more important things...

>that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and
>then
IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.

I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either. Why
would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework is not
used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built into
Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to begin
with?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


ROTFL
> I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no
> internet.
Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but
granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a
days.

on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small
chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on
your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net
(remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the
right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net
2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run
effeciently.  Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so
you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.

that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS
loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc. things
that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two while the
screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.

the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime
along with your application if your customer is not already running access.
Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE
deployment.



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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Thu Nov 18 16:54:04 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:54:04 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <006101c4cdb7$690dae30$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHAEMEEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

We were just hoping you were the genetically unlucky runt of the litter.....
<grin>

Sorry, couldn't resist...I know, take it to OT!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:42 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


>I'm going to tell! You compared your sisters to rats!


Have you seen my sisters?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


John,

>> My sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship. <<

I'm going to tell! You compared your sisters to rats!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 18 16:57:07 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:57:07 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHMEMDEHAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>
References: <005b01c4cdb2$36a65640$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <419DB563.10947.240E62C2@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Nov 2004 at 16:53, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> Admittedly it was mainly tech stuff (and probably porn...which of course is
> the driving force behind most technological advances... ;) )

Just found this while checking for dates/usage levels:  
http://www.vrx.net/usenet/history/alt.sex/



-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Thu Nov 18 17:17:01 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:17:01 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <HAELJOBEJAIGMIEGGPPDCEMPCCAA.jon@tydda.plus.com>
References: <HAELJOBEJAIGMIEGGPPDCEMPCCAA.jon@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <419D2D6D.6010909@rogers.com>

They have double-sided turntables now LOL.

Actually I have two turntables: one is a Panasonic Technics and the 
other a classic Oracle turntable with no actual turntable, but rather 
three rubber pins that support the disc. Way back when, it cost $1K CDN.

As to recording vinyl to CD/DVD, it turns out to be almost effortless. 
First you need a cable that will extend from your Audio OUT on your amp 
to your EXTERNAL IN on your sound card. In my case I needed to buy an 
"unsplitter" that turned the two cables into one at the input end. That 
was about $5 and the other cable (25 feet) was about $7. After that it's 
a no-brainer. Plug it in, with a disc in place and your software ready 
to record. Drop the needle and that's that.

The down side is that the whole side of a vinyl record is understood as 
one track. But I don't care about that. I just wanted to capture the vinyl.

A.

Jon Tydda wrote:

>A friend's son asked him if he had to play both sides of a record... :-)
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
>Sent: 16 November 2004 20:31
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
>
>My daughter saw my record player and asked what "that" was for.  LOL.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:16 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
>
>What's vinyl? ;-)
>
>(A youthful) Jon...
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Nov 18 17:21:32 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:21:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEMEGCAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEMEGCAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <419D2E7C.4020507@rogers.com>

Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your 
typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the 
unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most 
definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of chili 
powder. That best describes it.

Huachinango remains my fave Mexican dish. Baked red snapper. As served 
in Zihuatanejo, it is incomparable.

A.

John Bartow wrote:

>Hi Stuart,
>I guess I could have meant all of that :o)
>
>Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."
>
>
>We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as close as
>I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it but, alas, it
>is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are many forms of
>Mexican food too...
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:
>
>  
>
>>WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>>
>>Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>>
>>Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
>>restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to
>>    
>>
>try
>  
>
>>every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
>>    
>>
>tried
>  
>
>>yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
>>that day. Have fun!
>>
>>    
>>
>
>What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
>term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which
>region incidentally has several different cuisines).
>
>But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
>All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian
>subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for
>spinach.
>
> More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
>(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
>India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Nov 18 17:42:48 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:42:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <20041117214701.1204322435.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>	<26a96cce04111713422001063c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20041117214701.1204322435.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <419D3378.3080006@rogers.com>

For what it's worth, I have begun blogging too. But don't tell Hindman, 
else I will be deluged with vehement violent excrement LOL. Those 
interested in the ramblings of a dying canuck are invited to 
http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com/.

Arthur

>That's kind of you to say so. I've gotten interested in web logging lately (sweblog1.blogspot.com), but I have very little time for it.
>  
>


From artful at rogers.com  Thu Nov 18 17:48:18 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:48:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <419D34C2.5090009@rogers.com>

Like Shamil, I got into the net in about 1994; might have been even 
earlier. I used to run a BBS (since 1988) then discovered the net and 
ported all my tech support to that platform. It was still text mode back 
then -- and I wish someone would write a modern browser that did only 
text mode! F**k the ads and the graphics and all the other visual candy! 
I just want data.

A.

John W. Colby wrote:

>I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I worked
>at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
>talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
>ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
>internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time
>there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
>19,000 networks attached.
>
>I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 60s and
>70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and "google"
>any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits.  In 1994 you somehow
>had access to a MS Access newsgroup.  Having access to a newsgroup and
>having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you care to
>read about are two very different things.
>
>Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting round
>the campfire in front of the cave.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>Salakhetdinov
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
>No, John :)
>
>The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
>everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
>application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really
>helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've first
>got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new to read
>from it...
>
>Shamil
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
>  
>
>>Shamil,
>>
>>That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
>>    
>>
>women
>  
>
>>sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
>>Salakhetdinov
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>
>><<<
>>in 1994 and there was no internet.
>>    
>>
>>John,
>>
>>It was Internet that time!
>>AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or 
>>July 1994 :) ...
>>
>>Shamil
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>ROTFL.
>>>
>>>I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
>>>learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were 
>>>so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never 
>>>mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
>>>
>>>I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or 
>>>with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event 
>>>driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute 
>>>next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was 
>>>no internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the 
>>>BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting 
>>>singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to 
>>>about Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very 
>>>few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
>>>
>>>Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is 
>>>indeed "chocolates on the pillow".
>>>
>>>John W. Colby
>>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>>>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
>>>W.
>>>      
>>>
>>Erbach
>>    
>>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
>>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Group,
>>>
>>>For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to 
>>>describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft 
>>>Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.
>>>
>>>Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
>>>      
>>>
>>running
>>    
>>
>>>chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, 
>>>beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every 
>>>day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, 
>>>Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your 
>>>favorite newspaper
>>>      
>>>
>>unfolded
>>    
>>
>>>to the financial page for you.
>>>
>>>.NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. 
>>>But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the 
>>>woods.
>>>      
>>>
>>Then
>>    
>>
>>>you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block 
>>>and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that 
>>>you have
>>>      
>>>
>>to
>>    
>>
>>>build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto 
>>>a
>>>      
>>>
>>truck
>>    
>>
>>>and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs 
>>>into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how 
>>>to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and 
>>>such...
>>>
>>>It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference 
>>>books and have them open at the same time.
>>>
>>>Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
>>>
>>>Steve Erbach
>>>Neenah, WI
>>>
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 17:50:40 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:50:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <419D2E7C.4020507@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <006501c4cdc9$68d3fb60$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

>Ever tried chocolate chicken  

Otherwise known as mole, pronounced molay.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:22 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your 
typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the 
unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most 
definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of chili 
powder. That best describes it.

Huachinango remains my fave Mexican dish. Baked red snapper. As served 
in Zihuatanejo, it is incomparable.

A.

John Bartow wrote:

>Hi Stuart,
>I guess I could have meant all of that :o)
>
>Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."
>
>
>We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as 
>close as I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it 
>but, alas, it is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are 
>many forms of Mexican food too...
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
>McLachlan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:
>
>  
>
>>WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>>
>>Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>>
>>Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of 
>>restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like 
>>to
>>    
>>
>try
>  
>
>>every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
>>    
>>
>tried
>  
>
>>yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was 
>>closed that day. Have fun!
>>
>>    
>>
>
>What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
>term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia 
>(which region incidentally has several different cuisines).
>
>But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
>All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the 
>Indian subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi 
>for spinach.
>
> More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
>(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern 
>India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov 18 19:32:34 2004
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:32:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>

Oh my, Steve,

That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all 
back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in 
'87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?

I remember the IBM 370 and punch cards, but I can't say I loved them.  

Geez, what fun,
Tina

Steven W. Erbach wrote:

>John,
>
>I'm not sure that my programming history is as long or as intense as yours, but I guess as I get older my ability to absorb new technologies quickly is hampered. Though, I have to say, that .NET is so much bigger than any other new thing I've learned, I think I'm allowed a bit of bewilderment, eh?
>
>I came to Access from Paradox for Windows, which I thought was the absolute coolest application I'd ever seen except for high-end CAD back in '93. Before that it was Paradox for DOS and dBASE IV, III, and II. I wrote my first dBASE II app in '82, I'm pretty sure. Dabbled with PL/I at the technical college in the early 70s and was able to put my nose against the glass to watch the operators feed my punch cards into an IBM 370. I still love punch cards.
>
>Steve Erbach
>Neenah, WI
>
>sweblog1.blogspot.com
>
>
>  
>
>>------------Original Message------------
>>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:36 PM
>>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>ROTFL.  
>>
>>I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
>>learning
>>Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much 
>>Greek,
>>and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it 
>>or
>>how to interpret it.
>>
>>I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
>>Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven 
>>"how
>>can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really 
>>got
>>into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was 
>>no
>>Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users 
>>Group
>>sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would 
>>finally
>>have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group 
>>meetings.
>>There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.  
>>
>>Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
>>"chocolates on the pillow".
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>>    
>>
>
>
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>  
>




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Nov 18 20:13:35 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:13:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <419D34C2.5090009@rogers.com>
References: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <419D107F.2130.4B9183@localhost>

On 18 Nov 2004 at 18:48, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Like Shamil, I got into the net in about 1994; might have been even
> earlier. I used to run a BBS (since 1988) then discovered the net and
> ported all my tech support to that platform. It was still text mode
> back then -- and I wish someone would write a modern browser that did
> only text mode! F**k the ads and the graphics and all the other visual
> candy! I just want data.

Will Lynx for DOS 386+ or Win32 do?
http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/lynxport.htm

Or how about Links (runs under Cygwin)
http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/features.html

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person 
you want to annoy for the rest of your life.




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 18 20:28:51 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:28:51 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <002701c4cd85$2b0f8b80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<419D34C2.5090009@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <419D5A63.7000206@shaw.ca>

I dont know if they have upgraded the Lynx text browser but I still use 
an email account that uses PINE and Lynx that I access through DOS Telnet..
With a text browser unless the web site is set up for the blind, you 
will be doing a lot of guessing on what to click. I have had the account 
since 1991.
But you wont get any viruses unless you download them and purposely 
install it.
My earliest long distance remote computing was 1968 using an APL 
terminal (IBM daisywriter) from Ottawa U to Laval U.
The documentation on APL programming was all in French. Very traumatic. 
That's why my code looks weird. That's my story and I am sticking to it.


Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Like Shamil, I got into the net in about 1994; might have been even 
> earlier. I used to run a BBS (since 1988) then discovered the net and 
> ported all my tech support to that platform. It was still text mode 
> back then -- and I wish someone would write a modern browser that did 
> only text mode! F**k the ads and the graphics and all the other visual 
> candy! I just want data.
>
> A.
>
> John W. Colby wrote:
>
>> I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I 
>> worked
>> at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
>> talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
>> ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
>> internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which 
>> time
>> there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
>> 19,000 networks attached.
>>
>> I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 
>> 60s and
>> 70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and 
>> "google"
>> any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits.  In 1994 you 
>> somehow
>> had access to a MS Access newsgroup.  Having access to a newsgroup and
>> having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you 
>> care to
>> read about are two very different things.
>>
>> Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting 
>> round
>> the campfire in front of the cave.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>
>> No, John :)
>>
>> The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
>> everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
>> application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was 
>> really
>> helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've 
>> first
>> got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new 
>> to read
>> from it...
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" 
>> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Shamil,
>>>
>>> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
>>>   
>>
>> women
>>  
>>
>>> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
>>> Salakhetdinov
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>>
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> in 1994 and there was no internet.
>>>   
>>> John,
>>>
>>> It was Internet that time!
>>> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May 
>>> or July 1994 :) ...
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
>>> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> ROTFL.
>>>>
>>>> I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days 
>>>> learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events 
>>>> were so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, 
>>>> never mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
>>>>
>>>> I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or 
>>>> with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event 
>>>> driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute 
>>>> next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was 
>>>> no internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the 
>>>> BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting 
>>>> singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to 
>>>> about Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very 
>>>> few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
>>>>
>>>> Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is 
>>>> indeed "chocolates on the pillow".
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>>>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> Erbach
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Group,
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to 
>>>> describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft 
>>>> Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
>>>>     
>>>
>>> running
>>>   
>>>
>>>> chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, 
>>>> beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every 
>>>> day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, 
>>>> Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your 
>>>> favorite newspaper
>>>>     
>>>
>>> unfolded
>>>   
>>>
>>>> to the financial page for you.
>>>>
>>>> .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation 
>>>> cottage. But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to 
>>>> clear the woods.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> Then
>>>   
>>>
>>>> you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block 
>>>> and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that 
>>>> you have
>>>>     
>>>
>>> to
>>>   
>>>
>>>> build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto a
>>>>     
>>>
>>> truck
>>>   
>>>
>>>> and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs 
>>>> into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how 
>>>> to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and 
>>>> such...
>>>>
>>>> It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference 
>>>> books and have them open at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Erbach
>>>> Neenah, WI
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 20:30:19 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:30:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
In-Reply-To: <20041118102815.317715994.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006701c4cddf$b6fcd300$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone know of a firefox addin that will save the url for the open tabs
so that you can open it back up again with all the tabs loaded where you
left off?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 18 20:35:26 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:35:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <20041118203526.1910553410.serbach@new.rr.com>

Tina,

>> And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in '87. <<

The dBASE III manual was the first confuser manual I read from cover to cover. It was astonishing to me how powerful it was.

My wife was into COBOL when I met her. When we got married and she started to help me in my business, it took a while for her to shake COBOL habits of thinking.

>> Geez, what fun <<

Like I always say, sometimes, "Nostalgia is good stalgia."

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Oh my, Steve,
> 
> That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all 
> back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in 
> 
> '87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
> 
> I remember the IBM 370 and punch cards, but I can't say I loved them.  
> 
> Geez, what fun,
> Tina




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu Nov 18 20:42:41 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:42:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox
In-Reply-To: <006701c4cddf$b6fcd300$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20041118102815.317715994.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <419D1751.2642.663443@localhost>

On 18 Nov 2004 at 21:30, John W. Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know of a firefox addin that will save the url for the
> open tabs so that you can open it back up again with all the tabs
> loaded where you left off?

Session Saver
http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/sessionsaver

I've never used it, but it looks like it may do what you need.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Shouldn't all married men forget their mistakes? After all there's no 
sense in two people remembering the same things, right?




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 18 21:01:11 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:01:11 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <419DEE97.22816.24EDD6EC@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Nov 2004 at 20:32, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Oh my, Steve,
> 
> That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all 
> back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in 
> '87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
> 

For me it was Dataflex back then.   I developed in it continuously from 87 
to 93 when I discovered Access 1.0. One of my current clients still uses a 
DOS based Dataflex application for their accoounting (CBA) and I still 
occassional write a bit of dataflex to extract data from it to integrate 
with Access apps.  I was lucky, I never really got into DBase/Foxpro 
Clipper etc although I did dabble in them a bit.



 





-- 
Stuart




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 18 21:07:59 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:07:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <419D2E7C.4020507@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEIOIGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Arthur,
Yes, in fact we have had a couple of really good Mexican restaurants in the
area for many years. One has a number of mole dishes.

Its the newer Mexican restaurants, that cater to the "Taco Bell generation",
that I don't particularly care for.

John "not your run of the mill 'septic'" B.


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:22 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your
typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the
unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most
definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of chili
powder. That best describes it.

Huachinango remains my fave Mexican dish. Baked red snapper. As served
in Zihuatanejo, it is incomparable.

A.

John Bartow wrote:

>Hi Stuart,
>I guess I could have meant all of that :o)
>
>Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."
>
>
>We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as close as
>I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it but, alas, it
>is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are many forms of
>Mexican food too...
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:
>
>
>
>>WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>>
>>Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>>
>>Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
>>restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like to
>>
>>
>try
>
>
>>every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
>>
>>
>tried
>
>
>>yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was closed
>>that day. Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>
>What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
>term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia (which
>region incidentally has several different cuisines).
>
>But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
>All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the Indian
>subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi for
>spinach.
>
> More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
>(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
>India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 18 22:34:26 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:34:26 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <006501c4cdc9$68d3fb60$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEACGDAA.john@winhaven.net>

John,
Having lived in Mexico for some time, how do you rate the Mexican
restaurants in your area?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


>Ever tried chocolate chicken

Otherwise known as mole, pronounced molay.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:22 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your
typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the
unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most
definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of chili
powder. That best describes it.

Huachinango remains my fave Mexican dish. Baked red snapper. As served
in Zihuatanejo, it is incomparable.

A.

John Bartow wrote:

>Hi Stuart,
>I guess I could have meant all of that :o)
>
>Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."
>
>
>We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as
>close as I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it
>but, alas, it is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are
>many forms of Mexican food too...
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:
>
>
>
>>WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>>
>>Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>>
>>Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of
>>restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like
>>to
>>
>>
>try
>
>
>>every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
>>
>>
>tried
>
>
>>yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was
>>closed that day. Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>
>What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
>term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia
>(which region incidentally has several different cuisines).
>
>But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
>All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the
>Indian subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi
>for spinach.
>
> More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
>(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern
>India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 18 22:57:59 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:57:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEACGDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <006e01c4cdf4$5761ad70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

There are a couple that are OK.  Mexico has at least a dozen distinct
regions with very distinctive cuisine.  The mex found along the US border is
very different from that found deep in Mexico.  I happen to like border mex,
but then again I like most of the various cuisines.

Chilies en nogadas - large peppers stuffed with various things, generally an
apple / meat mixture, covered in a white cream sauce, with sprinkled
pomegranate seeds and a white nuez looking rather like a pecan except
absolutely white.  Delicious.  A specialty of Puebla.

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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:34 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


John,
Having lived in Mexico for some time, how do you rate the Mexican
restaurants in your area?

John B.

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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


>Ever tried chocolate chicken

Otherwise known as mole, pronounced molay.

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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:22 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your
typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the
unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most
definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of chili
powder. That best describes it.

Huachinango remains my fave Mexican dish. Baked red snapper. As served in
Zihuatanejo, it is incomparable.

A.

John Bartow wrote:

>Hi Stuart,
>I guess I could have meant all of that :o)
>
>Or as one of my old friends says "Yeah, that's what I meant."
>
>
>We had a Thai restaraut in the area for awhile and that's about as 
>close as I've come to anything in that region of the world. I loved it 
>but, alas, it is now a "Mexican food" restaraunt. Of course there are 
>many forms of Mexican food too...
>
>John B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
>McLachlan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:15 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2004 at 8:47, John Bartow wrote:
>
>
>
>>WH-OOPS! I meant to type "treat"
>>
>>Oh well, a "man's treat" either way I guess.
>>
>>Glad to see you've got "BD treat" plans! East Indian is one type of 
>>restaurant I've never been to. None around here unfortunately. I like 
>>to
>>
>>
>try
>
>
>>every kind of food there is so I keep my eyes open for those I haven't
>>
>>
>tried
>
>
>>yet. Almost made it to one in Chicago a few years back but it was 
>>closed that day. Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>
>What do you guys mean by "East Indian"?   I thought you septics used that
>term for Indonesia or sometimes for  Thailand/Malaysian/Indonesia 
>(which region incidentally has several different cuisines).
>
>But aloo palak isn't from that part of the world at all.
>All  aloos (potato based dishes) are "real" Indian dishes from the 
>Indian subcontinent. Aloo is the Hindi word for potato, patak is Hindi 
>for spinach.
>
> More specifically they are  generally northern Indian
>(Punjab/Kashmir/Rajisthan) which has very different food  to southern 
>India.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 00:57:35 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:57:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4cd9a$117b08b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <b874372a04111809421b3b57f8@mail.gmail.com>
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In 1991, I was working at a government facility... I was on usegroups
where I used a pine client to read  all the junk that was available at
the time on my x286 issued pc. you are right that it wasn't until 1993
or so where the internet was a glimpse of what it is today, but even
way back when, I was looking up stuff on how to improve my Lotus 123
spreadsheets and incorporating wysiwyg (remember that!!) :D


On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:11:45 -0500, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I
> remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked
> like a huge BBS system to me.  File storage and some email / news group
> thingies.  Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point,
> then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first
> modems).  If you want to call that the internet, then fine.  I've had a
> modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I
> know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever
> existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the
> internet today.
> 
> My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one".  Yea
> right!  Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year
> old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was.
> 
> So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990.
> 
> On to more important things...
> 
> >that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then
> IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.
> 
> I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either.
> Why would that be true?  It is my understanding that the .net framework is
> not used at all unless some application calls it.  Is something built into
> Windows calling it?  If so how does it function without it there to begin
> with?
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> ROTFL
> > I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no
> > internet.
> Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but
> granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a
> days.
> 
> on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small
> chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on
> your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net
> (remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the
> right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET  XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net
> 2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run
> effeciently.  Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so
> you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution.
> 
> that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS
> loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc.
> things that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two
> while the screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc.
> 
> the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime
> along with your application if your customer is not already running access.
> Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE
> deployment.
> 
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 19 02:19:25 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:25 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5541@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


But if you look at Club DJ's they are seldon using CD's or computers to
mix.
Allmost all of them still use vinyl because there is still no equipment
available that can simulate the use of a turntable with vinyl. Thats why
several software are available created like, vinyl scratch, that uses a
turntable with Vinyl to control a soundfile on a computer.
One big disadvantage is still the latency with these software, how fast
are computer are today is still not fast enough to reduce the latency
between an action and the actual result of that action

Very new (club) music is still first available on vinyl sometimes for
months in advance.

Some DJ's still believe in vinyl because the audio quality is superier
(warmer) to CD, which 
is true when having good turntables/cells.

The big disavantage for vinyl (music quality wise) is the analogue side
effects, like noise and scratches.
 
Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Arthur Fuller
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 november 2004 0:17
Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

They have double-sided turntables now LOL.

Actually I have two turntables: one is a Panasonic Technics and the
other a classic Oracle turntable with no actual turntable, but rather
three rubber pins that support the disc. Way back when, it cost $1K CDN.

As to recording vinyl to CD/DVD, it turns out to be almost effortless. 
First you need a cable that will extend from your Audio OUT on your amp
to your EXTERNAL IN on your sound card. In my case I needed to buy an
"unsplitter" that turned the two cables into one at the input end. That
was about $5 and the other cable (25 feet) was about $7. After that it's
a no-brainer. Plug it in, with a disc in place and your software ready
to record. Drop the needle and that's that.

The down side is that the whole side of a vinyl record is understood as
one track. But I don't care about that. I just wanted to capture the
vinyl.

A.

Jon Tydda wrote:

>A friend's son asked him if he had to play both sides of a record... 
>:-)
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: 16 November 2004 20:31
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
>
>My daughter saw my record player and asked what "that" was for.  LOL.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:16 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
>
>
>What's vinyl? ;-)
>
>(A youthful) Jon...
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 19 04:28:54 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:28:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
Message-ID: <s19dd908.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur
 
I've tried that chocolate (cocoa) animal once - and the experience was
exactly that awful that I had imagined - but you know, without an open
mind you don't experience anything new. However, not all attempts are
successful, this one was definitely not. Cocoa and salted food just
don't match.
 
/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 19-11-2004 00:21:32 >>>

Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your

typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the

unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most

definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of
chili 
powder. That best describes it.



From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Fri Nov 19 04:30:32 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:30:32 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1ED4@ALCUXB>

I don't know, they did chocolate coated salted pretzels here a year or two
back, and I think they're gorgeous :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 19 November 2004 10:29
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Hi Arthur
 
I've tried that chocolate (cocoa) animal once - and the experience was
exactly that awful that I had imagined - but you know, without an open
mind you don't experience anything new. However, not all attempts are
successful, this one was definitely not. Cocoa and salted food just
don't match.
 
/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 19-11-2004 00:21:32 >>>

Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your

typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the

unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most

definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of
chili 
powder. That best describes it.

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From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk  Fri Nov 19 06:42:43 2004
From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:42:43 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] NT4 problem
Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1ED6@ALCUXB>

Hi all
 
got a small problem with an NT4 pc.
 
It was left on my desk with a recovery disk and a note telling me that there
was a problem with boot up, and that the recovery disk wasn't working. So I
turned it on, and sure enough, there was a problem with boot-up. Apparently
Display.dll is missing or corrupt. So I went to bootdisk.com and downloaded
a set of bootdisk images, which I've extracted to 3 floppies. I booted off
the floppies, and when it asks me for the NT4 cd, I put one in, but it
wouldn't read it, and the CD drive made lots of funky noises. So I replaced
the CD drive, and tried again. That didn't work either - didn't spin the
disk up or anything. I replaced it again, and this one spins the disk up,
but refuses to recognise the cd is an install disk. So I made a copy of the
CD, which also doesn't work.
 
Short of putting the hard drive into another box as a slave, is there
anything I can do to get it working again? It's not on the network either,
so that's another problem.
 
 
Jon


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Nov 19 07:04:37 2004
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:04:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339E68@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

John,

<<it's all a moo point.

Do you watch Friends? 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

LOL.  Buy a book - or several.  

Someone was mentioning getting "thousands of hits" on a search of help
for some subject.  That is what I mean by too much stuff in the help
system.
Yea, it is good to have it documented, but it would be nice to have it
not show up unless specifically asked for.  All the end user classes
should be searched, then a drill down to look at inherited stuff if you
want to.  That isn't how it works, and probably never will work that way
so it's all a moo point.

John W. Colby
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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:58 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John
 
I see. But how do you (or any other following this thread) manage that?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 16:51:42 >>>

The end user in this case is the programmer.  The programmer is
presented with well over 3000 classes, of which probably 300-500 are
normally "useful"
to the programmer.  The rest are parent, grand parent objects etc back
up the inheritance chain.  Most of those objects are not really very
useful on a day to day basis, but they are documented and their
documentation obscures the vision.  Kinda like the forest for the trees.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:42 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John

What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with .net
is that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still
have to expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it
is possible that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It
would be nice if it were organized such that the end user stuff were all
that you saw unless you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Nov 19 07:42:46 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:42:46 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805><20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c4ce3e$5aa14870$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
>>>
I did some COBOL and RPG, more PL/1 but mainly IBM-370 Macro Assembler ..

> I remember the IBM 370 and punch cards,
> but I can't say I loved them.
That was a fun! - I used them for several years - and one can imagine how
much of them I had for the programs on Assembler...
They got jummed and you were trying to read what is punched on them to
quickly make a replacement punch card - I did learn all the punch codes as
far as I can remember...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Oh my, Steve,
>
> That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all
> back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in
> '87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
>
> I remember the IBM 370 and punch cards, but I can't say I loved them.
>
> Geez, what fun,
> Tina
>
> Steven W. Erbach wrote:
>
> >John,
> >
> >I'm not sure that my programming history is as long or as intense as
yours, but I guess as I get older my ability to absorb new technologies
quickly is hampered. Though, I have to say, that .NET is so much bigger than
any other new thing I've learned, I think I'm allowed a bit of bewilderment,
eh?
> >
> >I came to Access from Paradox for Windows, which I thought was the
absolute coolest application I'd ever seen except for high-end CAD back in
'93. Before that it was Paradox for DOS and dBASE IV, III, and II. I wrote
my first dBASE II app in '82, I'm pretty sure. Dabbled with PL/I at the
technical college in the early 70s and was able to put my nose against the
glass to watch the operators feed my punch cards into an IBM 370. I still
love punch cards.
> >
> >Steve Erbach
> >Neenah, WI
> >
> >sweblog1.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>------------Original Message------------
> >>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Date: Wed, Nov-17-2004 3:36 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >>
> >>ROTFL.
> >>
> >>I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days
> >>learning
> >>Access, when all the millions of properties and events were so much
> >>Greek,
> >>and you had no idea what an object model was, never mind how to find it
> >>or
> >>how to interpret it.
> >>
> >>I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or with
> >>Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event driven
> >>"how
> >>can you ever know where the code is going to execute next".  I really
> >>got
> >>into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no internet.  There was
> >>no
> >>Access Users Group, in fact I was on the BOD of the San Diego Users
> >>Group
> >>sitting in on that first meeting singing "halleluiah" that I would
> >>finally
> >>have someone to talk to about Access.  Once a month users group
> >>meetings.
> >>There were very few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> >>
> >>Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is indeed
> >>"chocolates on the pillow".
> >>
> >>John W. Colby
> >>www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Nov 19 07:16:29 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:16:29 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <s19cdd8a.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d201c4ce3e$5a7b22d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
Gustav,

I'd recommend MOC (Microsoft Official Courses) - IMO they give very good
overview and some good experience of the most useful in real-life
development .NET Framework features. I haven't seen books, which are that
good. Maybe I missed something.

101 Visual Basic and C# Code Samples
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=08E3D5F8-033D-420B-A3B1-3074505C03F3&displaylang=en

I have quite some books here too (most still to read):

- Dan Appleman. Moving to VB.NET. Strategies, Concepts and Code
- Julian Templeman, David Vitter "Visual Studio .NET: The .NET Framework.
Black Book"
- David Sceppa. Microsoft ADO.NET
- Andrew Troelsen. C# and the .NET Platform
- Jeffry Richter "Applied Microsoft .NET FRamework Programming"
- Marco Bellinaso and Kevin Hoffman. ASP.NET WebSite Programming. Problem -
Design - Solution. Visual Basic .NET Edition  (Similar title but C#
edition - is better - I've it too)
- Charles Petzold. Programming Microsoft Windows with C#

- G.A. Sullivan. .NET e-business Architecture
- Scott Short "Building XML Web Services for the Microsoft .NET Framework"
- Dan Wahlin. XML for ASP.NET Developers
- Michael Key. XSLT 2nd Edition. Programmer's Reference (it's not .NET - XML
but it's very good)
- Merril Chapman. In search of stupidity. (not .NET, but I found it
interesting and convincing to stay with MS)
- ...

I plan to purchase more but first I should finish with all that above and
some others I've here :) ...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Hi Steve with the unlimited book budget ...
>
> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming?
>
> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 17:28:15 >>>
>
> John,
>
> >> All the end user classes should be searched, then a drill down to
> look at inherited stuff if you want to.  That isn't how it works, and
> probably never will work that way so it's all a moot point. <<
>
> I've wondered about the organization of the "help" myself. You're right
> about the inheritance hierarchy. One would think that a switch could be
> invoked to allow the hierarchical detail to be displayed, something like
> the sub datasheet concept in Access. Yeah, it's a moot point, but we're
> the poor schmucks that have to deal with the help system.
>
> Speaking of books, I purchased the entire Murach series on .NET
> development and SQL Server (Beginning Visual Basic .NET, VB.NET Database
> Programming w/ADO.NET, ASP.NET Web Programming w/VB.NET, and SQL for SQL
> Server) as well as the O'Reilly Programming ASP.NET, and the Microsoft
> ASP.NET Programming with Visual Basic.NET Step by Step and Web Database
> Development Step by Step .NET edition. How about you?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Nov 19 07:47:44 2004
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:47:44 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
References: <419DEE97.22816.24EDD6EC@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00d401c4ce3e$5ac9b800$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> For me it was Dataflex back then.
I did Dataflex programming too. :)
It was great. 4GL OO language with so rich event model and all other great
stuff!

Anybody here programmed on Raima Data Manager?

Shamil

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> On 18 Nov 2004 at 20:32, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
> > Oh my, Steve,
> >
> > That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all
> > back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in
> > '87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
> >
>
> For me it was Dataflex back then.   I developed in it continuously from 87
> to 93 when I discovered Access 1.0. One of my current clients still uses a
> DOS based Dataflex application for their accoounting (CBA) and I still
> occassional write a bit of dataflex to extract data from it to integrate
> with Access apps.  I was lucky, I never really got into DBase/Foxpro
> Clipper etc although I did dabble in them a bit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 09:01:03 2004
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:01:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
References: <20041117110627.57833558.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<006d01c4ccec$decbc1a0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20041117215354.830148017.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<419D4D32.9040308@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c49504111907012989b5d5@mail.gmail.com>

I started out doing COBOL and CICS command and macro level stuff
against DL/I databases. First on an IBM 360 and later on a 4361. Later
the company replaced the 4361 with AS/400 so I learned RPG which had
the relational database integrated with the operating system. Access
seemed like a good step from there so I took a night school class at a
Jr College and the rest is history....

I got into my current employer because I had both COBOL and Access
skills - they were still using COBOL on a UNIX platform and Access was
their report writer. Now that has been abandoned for the back hole of
Oracle Applications 11i
;-)   I'm still using Access for a lot of ad-hoc and quick and dirty
reporting for management though.


On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:32:34 -0500, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Oh my, Steve,
> 
> That sounds so like me!  I thought Paradox was the be-all and end-all
> back in '93!  And I absolutely fell in love with dBase III (I think) in
> '87.  Anybody else get hooked back then on COBOL and/or RPG?
> 
> I remember the IBM 370 and punch cards, but I can't say I loved them.
> 
> Geez, what fun,
> Tina
> 
-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 19 09:33:08 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:33:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Heinz
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1ED4@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEAKGDAA.john@winhaven.net>

That's a quite a bit different than mole chicken though. I like both but my
wife really didn't care for mole at all.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:31 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Heinz


I don't know, they did chocolate coated salted pretzels here a year or two
back, and I think they're gorgeous :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 19 November 2004 10:29
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Heinz


Hi Arthur

I've tried that chocolate (cocoa) animal once - and the experience was
exactly that awful that I had imagined - but you know, without an open
mind you don't experience anything new. However, not all attempts are
successful, this one was definitely not. Cocoa and salted food just
don't match.

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 19-11-2004 00:21:32 >>>

Ever tried chocolate chicken? Definitely NOT what you can find in your

typical tex-Mex or California-Mex restaurants, but fantastic! Lest the

unfamiliar think it's an Oh Henry! bar melted atop a chicken it is most

definitely not. Think baker's chocolate with a healthy sprinkle of
chili
powder. That best describes it.

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From chizotz at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 19 09:59:34 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:59:34 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pocket PC Info
Message-ID: <111920041559.14725.60a3@mchsi.com>

Hello dba-tech,

I've recently been diagnosed with diabetes. In my case, it is not at all 
severe yet, and can be controlled through diet and exercise (or so they tell 
me). The regimen for this entails detailed logging of everything consumed and 
the nutritional content and when eaten, what excercise performed and for how 
long and pulse rate achieved, and, just to make things more interesting, the 
results of finger-stick blood glucose tests several times a day and the times 
of the tests.

That's a lot of logging of a lot of stuff, and I've never been one to keep a 
diary much less a detailed one like this needs to be. 

However, I _am_ one to turn to technology for answers to problems like this :)

And so... I am now in the market for a Pocket PC, which I will carry with me 
and mainly use to log all this stuff. I want a good or very good unit, top of 
the line or pretty near, probably, that will last me for some years. And I'm 
only interested in units that run the Windows CE OS that I can program for 
using Visual Studio .NET. No point having this nifty computer if I can't write 
my own software for it :) Although there are commercial database products 
available for diabetes management, I'll probably end up rolling my own.

I'm just starting to look, but this is a different world than the desktop PC 
world I'm used to and I admit to some initial confusion. I'd appreciate any 
suggestions for specific brands and models and any advice on specs and 
features to look for.

One question I have already, HP apparently produces some units that use 
the "Windows Mobile 2003 software for Pocket PC, Professional Second Edition" 
OS. Is this Windows CE? Can I program for this using VS.NET? This is totally 
uncharted waters for me, and I have no clue yet what to even be looking for.

Thanks!

Ron



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 19 10:01:05 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:01:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] NT4 problem
In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D1ED6@ALCUXB>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEKHIGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Have any NT 4 install floppy disks? Back in the dark ages when NT first came
out I used them quite a bit for troubleshooting these issues. A real pain no
doubt but it usually worked. The other thing you could try is boot up with a
floppy and use NTFSDOS.exe
(http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/ntfsdos.shtml) to copy the
needed files over. I haven't done this for years so...

You might also look into ERD Commander 2003 Emergency download version:
http://www.winternals.com/products/repairandrecovery/erdcommander2002.asp

Good Luck!
John B.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:43 AM
To: Dba-Tech (E-mail)
Subject: [dba-Tech] NT4 problem


Hi all

got a small problem with an NT4 pc.

It was left on my desk with a recovery disk and a note telling me that there
was a problem with boot up, and that the recovery disk wasn't working. So I
turned it on, and sure enough, there was a problem with boot-up. Apparently
Display.dll is missing or corrupt. So I went to bootdisk.com and downloaded
a set of bootdisk images, which I've extracted to 3 floppies. I booted off
the floppies, and when it asks me for the NT4 cd, I put one in, but it
wouldn't read it, and the CD drive made lots of funky noises. So I replaced
the CD drive, and tried again. That didn't work either - didn't spin the
disk up or anything. I replaced it again, and this one spins the disk up,
but refuses to recognise the cd is an install disk. So I made a copy of the
CD, which also doesn't work.

Short of putting the hard drive into another box as a slave, is there
anything I can do to get it working again? It's not on the network either,
so that's another problem.


Jon


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 19 08:17:49 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:17:49 +0100
Subject: Svar: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s19e0eac.019@cactus.dk>

Thanks Shamil, I'll save that list.
 
/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 19-11-2004 14:16:29 >>>

> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
Gustav,

I'd recommend MOC (Microsoft Official Courses) - IMO they give very
good
overview and some good experience of the most useful in real-life
development .NET Framework features. I haven't seen books, which are
that
good. Maybe I missed something.

101 Visual Basic and C# Code Samples
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=08E3D5F8-033D-420B-A3B1-3074505C03F3&displaylang=en

I have quite some books here too (most still to read):

- Dan Appleman. Moving to VB.NET. Strategies, Concepts and Code
- Julian Templeman, David Vitter "Visual Studio .NET: The .NET
Framework.
Black Book"
- David Sceppa. Microsoft ADO.NET
- Andrew Troelsen. C# and the .NET Platform
- Jeffry Richter "Applied Microsoft .NET FRamework Programming"
- Marco Bellinaso and Kevin Hoffman. ASP.NET WebSite Programming.
Problem -
Design - Solution. Visual Basic .NET Edition  (Similar title but C#
edition - is better - I've it too)
- Charles Petzold. Programming Microsoft Windows with C#

- G.A. Sullivan. .NET e-business Architecture
- Scott Short "Building XML Web Services for the Microsoft .NET
Framework"
- Dan Wahlin. XML for ASP.NET Developers
- Michael Key. XSLT 2nd Edition. Programmer's Reference (it's not .NET
- XML
but it's very good)
- Merril Chapman. In search of stupidity. (not .NET, but I found it
interesting and convincing to stay with MS)
- ...

I plan to purchase more but first I should finish with all that above
and
some others I've here :) ...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Hi Steve with the unlimited book budget ...
>
> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming?
>
> Shamil, which books can you recommend - if you bought any at all?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 17:28:15 >>>
>
> John,
>
> >> All the end user classes should be searched, then a drill down to
> look at inherited stuff if you want to.  That isn't how it works,
and
> probably never will work that way so it's all a moot point. <<
>
> I've wondered about the organization of the "help" myself. You're
right
> about the inheritance hierarchy. One would think that a switch could
be
> invoked to allow the hierarchical detail to be displayed, something
like
> the sub datasheet concept in Access. Yeah, it's a moot point, but
we're
> the poor schmucks that have to deal with the help system.
>
> Speaking of books, I purchased the entire Murach series on .NET
> development and SQL Server (Beginning Visual Basic .NET, VB.NET
Database
> Programming w/ADO.NET, ASP.NET Web Programming w/VB.NET, and SQL for
SQL
> Server) as well as the O'Reilly Programming ASP.NET, and the
Microsoft
> ASP.NET Programming with Visual Basic.NET Step by Step and Web
Database
> Development Step by Step .NET edition. How about you?
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 19 16:17:23 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:17:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339E68@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <002801c4ce85$8b79e410$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

ROTFL.  I thought nobody caught that!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


John,

<<it's all a moo point.

Do you watch Friends? 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

LOL.  Buy a book - or several.  

Someone was mentioning getting "thousands of hits" on a search of help for
some subject.  That is what I mean by too much stuff in the help system.
Yea, it is good to have it documented, but it would be nice to have it not
show up unless specifically asked for.  All the end user classes should be
searched, then a drill down to look at inherited stuff if you want to.  That
isn't how it works, and probably never will work that way so it's all a moo
point.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:58 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John
 
I see. But how do you (or any other following this thread) manage that?
 
/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 16:51:42 >>>

The end user in this case is the programmer.  The programmer is presented
with well over 3000 classes, of which probably 300-500 are normally "useful"
to the programmer.  The rest are parent, grand parent objects etc back up
the inheritance chain.  Most of those objects are not really very useful on
a day to day basis, but they are documented and their documentation obscures
the vision.  Kinda like the forest for the trees.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:42 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Hi John

What do mean saying "end user stuff". Do end users program in .Net?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 18-11-2004 15:33:45 >>>

Yep, bewilderment is allowed.  The biggest issue in my opinion with .net is
that while 9/10ths of the classes are not end user stuff they still have to
expose them (and document them) since with true inheritance it is possible
that you will need to get at them every once in awhile.  It would be nice if
it were organized such that the end user stuff were all that you saw unless
you "pressed a button" to show the parent objects.  

The other thing is that the organization, the presentation is totally
different from Access.  We simply aren't used to it.  Because in Access
inheritance doesn't exist per se a lot of the things (windows of
information) that are required in .net aren't needed in Access.  It is
absolutely overwhelming when you first get started.

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov 21 03:03:00 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:03:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5543@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well I have exactly the same prob.

I done the testing, bought the software, have a good audiocard, a good
RIAA pre-amp...
But can't buy me time...
And with a 4 year old son always around (and a second new son in 3
weeks), I believe it will be for next year when we are moved to our new
home and I have a seperate space to do this...

My cd's took about 3 months (a couple days's a week).
My vinyl will probably take at least a year.
I only intend to put the songs I really like on computer (as a dj you
buy a lot of cr*p you don't like yourself), but still...

Maybe this is a solution to speed things up?!
Use an very old 78 rmp recordplayer which you can stack the vinyl and
the record drops automaticly when finisching the current one.
Play all records at 78 rpm!
Afterwards cut he wave in pieces and slow down the music with x percent
using a software tool.
That would mean a time saving of 33 to 66%!!!

Isn't that an idea?

:-)
Erwin




 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Thanks for all the advice Erwin.  Now to find the time to get started on
it...

Bobby

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 21 03:25:55 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:25:55 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <s1a06d51.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

This is why their is a limit on pirate copying music and video - and
why their is a future for reasonable priced download of these media. TCO
for doing a copy you need to monitor may simply be too high.

And this is why the record companies could earn big money with a new
approach to download of (old) music. I never understood why this
business is run buy people with such a poor sense of future trends.
Missed opportunities in large scale.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 21-11-2004 10:03:00 >>>
Well I have exactly the same prob.

I done the testing, bought the software, have a good audiocard, a good
RIAA pre-amp...
But can't buy me time...

---

Thanks for all the advice Erwin.  Now to find the time to get started
on it...

Bobby



From serbach at new.rr.com  Sun Nov 21 09:35:23 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:35:23 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5543@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5543@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20041121093523.1835743445.serbach@new.rr.com>

Erwin,

Haw! A 78 rpm player with a spindle! Oh, that's rich! Good laugh to start the day. Thank you.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Sun, Nov-21-2004 3:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
> 
> Well I have exactly the same prob.
> 
> I done the testing, bought the software, have a good audiocard, a good
> RIAA pre-amp...
> But can't buy me time...
> And with a 4 year old son always around (and a second new son in 3
> weeks), I believe it will be for next year when we are moved to our new
> home and I have a seperate space to do this...
> 
> My cd's took about 3 months (a couple days's a week).
> My vinyl will probably take at least a year.
> I only intend to put the songs I really like on computer (as a dj you
> buy a lot of cr*p you don't like yourself), but still...
> 
> Maybe this is a solution to speed things up?!
> Use an very old 78 rmp recordplayer which you can stack the vinyl and
> the record drops automaticly when finisching the current one.
> Play all records at 78 rpm!
> Afterwards cut he wave in pieces and slow down the music with x percent
> using a software tool.
> That would mean a time saving of 33 to 66%!!!
> 
> Isn't that an idea?
> 
> :-)
> Erwin




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov 21 10:18:54 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:18:54 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5548@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Indeed, but the download versions I seen are always at low quality
bitrate...
Further more I don't think they will put all the special remix versions,
limited editions, etc on-line.
An probably they will never put the white label bootleg re/-mixes
on-line cause they are illegal copies in the vinyl days :-) 

But I'm convined they have missed an enormous oportunity.
On the other side I wonder what enonomic damage legal downloads may
cause to the distribution chain. 

Erwin




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:26 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Converting LPs into digital audio

Hi Erwin

This is why their is a limit on pirate copying music and video - and why
their is a future for reasonable priced download of these media. TCO for
doing a copy you need to monitor may simply be too high.

And this is why the record companies could earn big money with a new
approach to download of (old) music. I never understood why this
business is run buy people with such a poor sense of future trends.
Missed opportunities in large scale.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be 21-11-2004 10:03:00 >>>
Well I have exactly the same prob.

I done the testing, bought the software, have a good audiocard, a good
RIAA pre-amp...
But can't buy me time...

---

Thanks for all the advice Erwin.  Now to find the time to get started on
it...

Bobby

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 22 07:18:01 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:18:01 -0600
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <s19ceaf2.012@cactus.dk>
References: <s19ceaf2.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20041122071801.482040304.serbach@new.rr.com>

Gustav,

Just bought the O'Reilly "ASP.NET Cookbook" on Saturday. I'm now up to eight books purchased on .NET topics. Oy!

Do you know anything about the Safari Bookshelf? I thought I saw a link for a limited time trial and I'd like to give that a go, I think. Have you seen anything like that?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> OK Steve, that makes sense.
>  
> /gustav
> 
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<
> 
> The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
> books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
> confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
> save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no alternative
> since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 22 07:35:27 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:35:27 +0100
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s1a1f93a.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

Nopes, I have no idea.

/gustav

>>> serbach at new.rr.com 22-11-2004 14:18:01 >>>
Gustav,

Just bought the O'Reilly "ASP.NET Cookbook" on Saturday. I'm now up to
eight books purchased on .NET topics. Oy!

Do you know anything about the Safari Bookshelf? I thought I saw a link
for a limited time trial and I'd like to give that a go, I think. Have
you seen anything like that?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> OK Steve, that makes sense.
>  
> /gustav
> 
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<
> 
> The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
> books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
> confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
> save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no
alternative
> since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI



From blreische at mdh.org  Mon Nov 22 07:38:28 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:38:28 -0600
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDC@NEWMAN_EXC>

I use Safari.  I like it for the most part.  

The CONS: 
1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find that
my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
answer.

2) Books are only available online and I find that I miss the touch/feel of
a printed medium. 

The PROS:
1) Access to thousands of books instantly.

2) Pages are printable, so you can print out a topic and read it on the go
away from the computer.

Hope that helps.

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
x. 3263


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:35 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

Hi Steve

Nopes, I have no idea.

/gustav

>>> serbach at new.rr.com 22-11-2004 14:18:01 >>>
Gustav,

Just bought the O'Reilly "ASP.NET Cookbook" on Saturday. I'm now up to
eight books purchased on .NET topics. Oy!

Do you know anything about the Safari Bookshelf? I thought I saw a link
for a limited time trial and I'd like to give that a go, I think. Have
you seen anything like that?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> OK Steve, that makes sense.
>  
> /gustav
> 
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<
> 
> The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
> books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
> confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
> save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no
alternative
> since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 22 08:18:25 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:18:25 -0600
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDC@NEWMAN_EXC>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDC@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <20041122081825.1319944136.serbach@new.rr.com>

Brenda,

>> 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find that my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick answer. <<

So, what's the limit on the number of books that can be on your shelf?

Yes, that does help. Again, I thought I saw a limited-time trial somewhere in my browsing. Now I'd like to try it out but I've forgotten where I saw the offer. Anybody else see it?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Reische, Brenda L." <blreische at mdh.org>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov-22-2004 7:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> I use Safari.  I like it for the most part.  
> 
> The CONS: 
> 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find 
> that
> my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
> answer.
> 
> 2) Books are only available online and I find that I miss the 
> touch/feel of
> a printed medium. 
> 
> The PROS:
> 1) Access to thousands of books instantly.
> 
> 2) Pages are printable, so you can print out a topic and read it on the 
> go
> away from the computer.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
> x. 3263




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 22 08:20:53 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:20:53 +0100
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <s1a203f2.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Brenda

So this is a virtual bookshop?
What are the costs?
Do you have a link?

/gustav

>>> blreische at mdh.org 22-11-2004 14:38:28 >>>
I use Safari.  I like it for the most part.  

The CONS: 
1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find
that
my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
answer.

2) Books are only available online and I find that I miss the
touch/feel of
a printed medium. 

The PROS:
1) Access to thousands of books instantly.

2) Pages are printable, so you can print out a topic and read it on the
go
away from the computer.

Hope that helps.

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
x. 3263


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:35 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

Hi Steve

Nopes, I have no idea.

/gustav

>>> serbach at new.rr.com 22-11-2004 14:18:01 >>>
Gustav,

Just bought the O'Reilly "ASP.NET Cookbook" on Saturday. I'm now up to
eight books purchased on .NET topics. Oy!

Do you know anything about the Safari Bookshelf? I thought I saw a
link
for a limited time trial and I'd like to give that a go, I think. Have
you seen anything like that?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> OK Steve, that makes sense.
>  
> /gustav
> 
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<
> 
> The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
> books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
> confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
> save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no
alternative
> since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI


From blreische at mdh.org  Mon Nov 22 08:32:23 2004
From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:32:23 -0600
Subject: Safari Virtual Bookshelf -- WAS --  RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] 
	Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDE@NEWMAN_EXC>

Gustav & Steven,

Here is the official blurb about Safari:

Safari Bookshelf is the premier electronic reference library for programmers
and IT professionals.  Unlike an online bookstore, Safari lets subscribers: 

Search - Conduct searches across all of the technical books in the Safari
library - more than 2,000 in all. Zero in on answers to time critical
questions in a matter of seconds.

Read - Read the books on your Bookshelf from cover to cover. Or, simply flip
to the page you need.

Browse - Browse books by category. With Safari researching any topic is a
snap. From XML, to database to .Net, you'll find your answer in Safari.

Download - Download chapters for viewing offline.


Here are links for a FREE TRIAL OF SAFARI

http://www.devx.com/premier/door/17532  30 day free trial through devx

http://safari.informit.com/  14 day free trial through informit

http://safari.oreilly.com/  14 day free trial through o'reilly

There are three sizes of bookshelf, so you can choose how many books you can
have based on how much you want to pay per month.  Most books take up one
"slot", but some take 2 and others take 1/2 a slot.  

A 5 slot basic plan is 9.99/ month
A 10 slot basic plan is 14.99/month
A 10 slot max plan is 19.99/month and you can download some whole chapters
plus some other benefits.

I am not affiliated with Safari in any way other than being a customer.

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital
x. 3263


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

Brenda,

>> 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find
that my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
answer. <<

So, what's the limit on the number of books that can be on your shelf?

Yes, that does help. Again, I thought I saw a limited-time trial somewhere
in my browsing. Now I'd like to try it out but I've forgotten where I saw
the offer. Anybody else see it?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Reische, Brenda L." <blreische at mdh.org>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov-22-2004 7:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> I use Safari.  I like it for the most part.  
> 
> The CONS: 
> 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find 
> that
> my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
> answer.
> 
> 2) Books are only available online and I find that I miss the 
> touch/feel of
> a printed medium. 
> 
> The PROS:
> 1) Access to thousands of books instantly.
> 
> 2) Pages are printable, so you can print out a topic and read it on the 
> go
> away from the computer.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
> x. 3263


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 22 08:48:16 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:48:16 -0600
Subject: Safari Virtual Bookshelf -- WAS --  RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech]
	Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDE@NEWMAN_EXC>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4802612EDE@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <20041122084816.1789614283.serbach@new.rr.com>

Brenda,

Thank you very much.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

sweblog1.blogspot.com

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Reische, Brenda L." <blreische at mdh.org>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov-22-2004 8:36 AM
> Subject: RE: Safari Virtual Bookshelf -- WAS --  RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Gustav & Steven,
> 
> Here is the official blurb about Safari:
> 
> Safari Bookshelf is the premier electronic reference library for 
> programmers
> and IT professionals.  Unlike an online bookstore, Safari lets 
> subscribers: 
> 
> Search - Conduct searches across all of the technical books in the 
> Safari
> library - more than 2,000 in all. Zero in on answers to time critical
> questions in a matter of seconds.
> 
> Read - Read the books on your Bookshelf from cover to cover. Or, simply 
> flip
> to the page you need.
> 
> Browse - Browse books by category. With Safari researching any topic is 
> a
> snap. From XML, to database to .Net, you'll find your answer in Safari.
> 
> Download - Download chapters for viewing offline.
> 
> 
> Here are links for a FREE TRIAL OF SAFARI
> 
> http://www.devx.com/premier/door/17532  30 day free trial through devx
> 
> http://safari.informit.com/  14 day free trial through informit
> 
> http://safari.oreilly.com/  14 day free trial through o'reilly
> 
> There are three sizes of bookshelf, so you can choose how many books 
> you can
> have based on how much you want to pay per month.  Most books take up 
> one
> "slot", but some take 2 and others take 1/2 a slot.  
> 
> A 5 slot basic plan is 9.99/ month
> A 10 slot basic plan is 14.99/month
> A 10 slot max plan is 19.99/month and you can download some whole 
> chapters
> plus some other benefits.
> 
> I am not affiliated with Safari in any way other than being a customer.
> 
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
> x. 3263




From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 22 13:15:24 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:15:24 -0500
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <20041122191524.HPIK1980.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

You cant get to the Safari bookshelf from O'Reilly and Devx has it as well
> 
> From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> Date: 2004/11/22 Mon AM 09:18:25 EST
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> Brenda,
> 
> >> 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find that my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick answer. <<
> 
> So, what's the limit on the number of books that can be on your shelf?
> 
> Yes, that does help. Again, I thought I saw a limited-time trial somewhere in my browsing. Now I'd like to try it out but I've forgotten where I saw the offer. Anybody else see it?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> sweblog1.blogspot.com
> 
> > ------------Original Message------------
> > From: "Reische, Brenda L." <blreische at mdh.org>
> > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Date: Mon, Nov-22-2004 7:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> > 
> > I use Safari.  I like it for the most part.  
> > 
> > The CONS: 
> > 1) Books must stay on your shelf for 30 days.  So occasionally I find 
> > that
> > my shelf is full and I can't look at a book I want to see for a quick
> > answer.
> > 
> > 2) Books are only available online and I find that I miss the 
> > touch/feel of
> > a printed medium. 
> > 
> > The PROS:
> > 1) Access to thousands of books instantly.
> > 
> > 2) Pages are printable, so you can print out a topic and read it on the 
> > go
> > away from the computer.
> > 
> > Hope that helps.
> > 
> > Brenda Reische
> > Application Support Analyst
> > McDonough District Hospital
> > x. 3263
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Nov 22 14:53:35 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:53:35 -0500
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33993@nprdex02.nns.com>

My company is engaged in an evaluation of "Books24x7's Referenceware(SM)"
http://www.books24x7.com.  This was my first day...  It seems quite helpful
with a pretty far-reaching list of topics.


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


Gustav,

Just bought the O'Reilly "ASP.NET Cookbook" on Saturday. I'm now up to eight
books purchased on .NET topics. Oy!

Do you know anything about the Safari Bookshelf? I thought I saw a link for
a limited time trial and I'd like to give that a go, I think. Have you seen
anything like that?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, Nov-18-2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> OK Steve, that makes sense.
>  
> /gustav
> 
> >>> serbach at new.rr.com 18-11-2004 18:17:51 >>>
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >> Holy .... How do ever get time for programming? <<
> 
> The question really is, how do I ever get time to read the verdammt
> books? I'd love to be able to read them while seated in front of the
> confuser. They're mostly reference and idea starters and
> save-my-ass-in-a-hurry resources. Budget? I really saw no alternative
> since I can't afford the 3-day training courses.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 17:43:55 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:43:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] New spyware????
Message-ID: <b874372a04112215431726cbd0@mail.gmail.com>

On a co-workers pc, I found a spyware called EbatesMoeMoneyM program
running anywhere between 99% to 0%, intermittently.  I tried running a
search on the web about this particular parasite, only to not find any
information.  I've sent in the helpdesk to run a full spyware check w/
ad aware and spybot.

I was surprised that none of my searches turned up tho :|

-- 
-Francisco
http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon!


From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 22 18:32:06 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:06 -0600
Subject: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33993@nprdex02.nns.com>
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA103F33993@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <20041122183206.1048148795.serbach@new.rr.com>

Mark,

Thanks for the link!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, Wi

sweblog1.blogspot.com

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Mitsules, Mark" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov-22-2004 3:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Svar: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> 
> My company is engaged in an evaluation of "Books24x7's 
> Referenceware(SM)"
> http://www.books24x7.com.  This was my first day...  It seems quite 
> helpful
> with a pretty far-reaching list of topics.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 




From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Nov 22 19:15:31 2004
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:15:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] New spyware????
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04112215431726cbd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041123011537.A97293FD6E@omta16.mta.everyone.net>

Just MoeMone will do it:
http://sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.moemoney.html

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Francisco Tapia
> Sent: 22 Nov 2004 3:44 pm
> To: The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] New spyware????
> 
> On a co-workers pc, I found a spyware called EbatesMoeMoneyM 
> program running anywhere between 99% to 0%, intermittently.  
> I tried running a search on the web about this particular 
> parasite, only to not find any information.  I've sent in the 
> helpdesk to run a full spyware check w/ ad aware and spybot.
> 
> I was surprised that none of my searches turned up tho :|
> 
> --
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 23 08:25:42 2004
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:25:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar Question
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D176071BC@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I sent this post to the Outlook list at Yahoo and Tek Tips and didn't
get a single reply.  I thought I'd give you guys a try.
 
My office uses a shared calendar that I've setup on my PC.  Typically,
staff put an appointment on their own calendars and then copy it to the
shared one.  Is it possible that once one posts to their own calendar
the appointment automatically gets posted to the shared calendar,
possibly through a macro or VBA ?  Ideally, one would be prompted, "Do
you want to copy this message to the shared calendar? <YES> <NO>.  Is
something like this possible and if so could you point me in the right
direction.
Many thanks.
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov 23 08:10:50 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:10:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar Question
Message-ID: <20041123151047.BB9E224CB7D@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Ed
Have you tried http://www.slipstick.com ?

I put calendar into their search and the first hit is "How to organize
information from several Microsoft Outlook calendars into one group calendar
using built-in methods and third-party tools " which sounds promising.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
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To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Calendar Question
Date: 23/11/04 14:27

>
> Hi All,
> I sent this post to the Outlook list at Yahoo and Tek Tips and didn't
> get a single reply.  I thought I'd give you guys a try.
>
> My office uses a shared calendar that I've setup on my PC.  Typically,
> staff put an appointment on their own calendars and then copy it to the
> shared one.  Is it possible that once one posts to their own calendar
> the appointment automatically gets posted to the shared calendar,
> possibly through a macro or VBA ?  Ideally, one would be prompted,
&quot;Do
> you want to copy this message to the shared calendar? &lt;YES&gt;
&lt;NO&gt;.  Is
> something like this possible and if so could you point me in the right
> direction.
> Many thanks.
> Ed
>
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 24 06:50:59 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:50:59 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Spyware review
Message-ID: <20041124065059.681034497.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend the spyware test/review at http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm . This guy was THOROUGH.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

"I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 28 08:09:57 2004
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:09:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture
Message-ID: <s1a9ea4d.075@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Did you see this?

  http://www.yawah.com/bluemarble.html 

Truly amazing. 
Java, one TIFF picture, and every man's hardware.

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 28 08:54:44 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:54:44 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture
In-Reply-To: <s1a9ea4d.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000101c4d55a$33851870$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Fabulous. Thanks Gustav.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: 28 November 2004 14:10
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Did you see this?
> 
>   http://www.yawah.com/bluemarble.html 
> 
> Truly amazing. 
> Java, one TIFF picture, and every man's hardware.
> 
> /gustav
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 29 10:07:13 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:07:13 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture
In-Reply-To: <s1a9ea4d.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEGNGDAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
Very cool, thanks!

John B.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:10 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture


Hi all

Did you see this?

  http://www.yawah.com/bluemarble.html 

Truly amazing. 
Java, one TIFF picture, and every man's hardware.

/gustav
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Nov 29 19:25:54 2004
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:55:54 +1030
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture
Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2013A00@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au>

I think this is probably linked to from the same system as NASA's 'World
Wind', which has taken off:
http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind/ <http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind/> 
 
Offers a downloadable client from which you can navigate the globe, zoom in
& out etc. and it downloads the required images/data as you go.
 
Pretty awesome although its becoming so popular that the servers are
struggling to keep up!

   _____  

From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Mon 29/11/2004 12:39 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Zoomable World picture



Hi all 

Did you see this? 

  http://www.yawah.com/bluemarble.html
<http://www.yawah.com/bluemarble.html>  

Truly amazing. 
Java, one TIFF picture, and every man's hardware. 

/gustav 
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From kens.programming at verizon.net  Tue Nov 30 14:54:57 2004
From: kens.programming at verizon.net (Ken Stoker)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:54:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Antivirus Software for a server
Message-ID: <20041130205348.DMXX22017.out005.verizon.net@enterprise>

Can anyone suggest a low cost/free antivirus package that will for a server
running Win Server 2003?  I just recently put together a new server that I
hope will make me more efficient with work, but my free AVG software won?t
install on it.

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Nov 30 15:10:16 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:10:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Kaboodle
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEGNGDAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEGNGDAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <41ACE1B8.9030308@rogers.com>

This is not exactly leading edge news, but if you work on networks, 
google Kaboodle and grab it. It's totally free, runs on Windows. Linux 
and BSD. Graphically maps your network and its devices. Lets you VNC 
into any box. Even lets you connect VPN-style to any Kaboodled LAN to 
which you have access. Awesome product. You will be totally sold in five 
minutes or less. Pointless if you have only one computer, but awesome if 
you have a home network and even more so if you have access to one or 
two client networks.

Arthur

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From dbatech at wolfwares.com  Tue Nov 30 15:54:40 2004
From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:54:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Antivirus Software for a server
In-Reply-To: <20041130205348.DMXX22017.out005.verizon.net@enterprise>
Message-ID: <HCEKKCDKADBCBMOJIMDHEEIBEIAA.dbatech@wolfwares.com>

You need a server level package.  Trend has ServerProtect, but it's not
exactly low cost.  Compared to an actual server cost, it is.

Drew

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Subject: [dba-Tech] Antivirus Software for a server


Can anyone suggest a low cost/free antivirus package that will for a server
running Win Server 2003?  I just recently put together a new server that I
hope will make me more efficient with work, but my free AVG software won?t
install on it.



Thanks



Ken








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