From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Oct 1 00:31:02 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:01:02 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C542@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> I'm pretty sure its some type of internal address, similar to the loopback 127.0.0.1 or something. I do know its not a public address so it shouldn't be anything to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 2:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 I am playing with the built in hardware firewalls that comes with the MSI K8 Neo motherboard. This firewall is built in to the NVIDIA chipset used in my A64 motherboard. It supposedly has stateful packet inspection (not that I really understand what that means, just that it is supposed to be good) and other good stuff. So I turned it on. The firewall software is pretty nice, allowing you to set up 5 or 6 "levels" of protection, from off to anti-hacking, or set up custom levels. If you choose custom, then it has "wizards" that can turn on / off things like messenger and other chat programs, Telnet, email (various types) etc. I turned it on and then used the wizards to turn on things like chat clients, email, windows file sharing etc. When I view my log files, the firewall is getting traffic on blocked port, from 192.168.122.1 (my "head" router and DHCP Server that is my NETWORK "firewall" just behind the cable modem. It is sending to 239.255.255.250 UDP port 1900. I googled 239.255.255.250 and get nothing. I googled port 1900 and discovered that it is Windows XP universal PNP NETWORK traffic and supposedly I can turn it off. So I did (in all my XP machines) by stopping the service. I am still seeing these logs though. It just occurred to me that it might be directed at my networked All-in-one brother fax/scanner/printer which I will turn off briefly to see what happens. I turned off the network printer and the traffic (attempts?) didn't stop. I opened my router (Dlink 624 wireless / 4 port) software (browser) and looked for port forwarding on that port but don't see any. Is it the router trying to talk to something on the network? So, does anyone know what is happening here? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Oct 1 01:16:23 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:16:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC5F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> UPNP can also be turned on in your router.... If I'm not mistaking UPNP is used to dynamicly open ports on your router/firewall when a specific local computer asks for it. The ports are closed after usage. Typically usefull for gaming but also other applications. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 I'm pretty sure its some type of internal address, similar to the loopback 127.0.0.1 or something. I do know its not a public address so it shouldn't be anything to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 2:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 I am playing with the built in hardware firewalls that comes with the MSI K8 Neo motherboard. This firewall is built in to the NVIDIA chipset used in my A64 motherboard. It supposedly has stateful packet inspection (not that I really understand what that means, just that it is supposed to be good) and other good stuff. So I turned it on. The firewall software is pretty nice, allowing you to set up 5 or 6 "levels" of protection, from off to anti-hacking, or set up custom levels. If you choose custom, then it has "wizards" that can turn on / off things like messenger and other chat programs, Telnet, email (various types) etc. I turned it on and then used the wizards to turn on things like chat clients, email, windows file sharing etc. When I view my log files, the firewall is getting traffic on blocked port, from 192.168.122.1 (my "head" router and DHCP Server that is my NETWORK "firewall" just behind the cable modem. It is sending to 239.255.255.250 UDP port 1900. I googled 239.255.255.250 and get nothing. I googled port 1900 and discovered that it is Windows XP universal PNP NETWORK traffic and supposedly I can turn it off. So I did (in all my XP machines) by stopping the service. I am still seeing these logs though. It just occurred to me that it might be directed at my networked All-in-one brother fax/scanner/printer which I will turn off briefly to see what happens. I turned off the network printer and the traffic (attempts?) didn't stop. I opened my router (Dlink 624 wireless / 4 port) software (browser) and looked for port forwarding on that port but don't see any. Is it the router trying to talk to something on the network? So, does anyone know what is happening here? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. 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They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Oct 1 01:30:40 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:00:40 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C545@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Yeah - UPnP rings a bell -> it could also be one of those 'broadcast' addresses like 224.0.0.0 I often see in the logs. Something to do with broadcasting to the network to let them know you're alive I think.. -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 3:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 UPNP can also be turned on in your router.... If I'm not mistaking UPNP is used to dynamicly open ports on your router/firewall when a specific local computer asks for it. The ports are closed after usage. Typically usefull for gaming but also other applications. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:31 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 I'm pretty sure its some type of internal address, similar to the loopback 127.0.0.1 or something. I do know its not a public address so it shouldn't be anything to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 2:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 I am playing with the built in hardware firewalls that comes with the MSI K8 Neo motherboard. This firewall is built in to the NVIDIA chipset used in my A64 motherboard. It supposedly has stateful packet inspection (not that I really understand what that means, just that it is supposed to be good) and other good stuff. So I turned it on. The firewall software is pretty nice, allowing you to set up 5 or 6 "levels" of protection, from off to anti-hacking, or set up custom levels. If you choose custom, then it has "wizards" that can turn on / off things like messenger and other chat programs, Telnet, email (various types) etc. I turned it on and then used the wizards to turn on things like chat clients, email, windows file sharing etc. When I view my log files, the firewall is getting traffic on blocked port, from 192.168.122.1 (my "head" router and DHCP Server that is my NETWORK "firewall" just behind the cable modem. It is sending to 239.255.255.250 UDP port 1900. I googled 239.255.255.250 and get nothing. I googled port 1900 and discovered that it is Windows XP universal PNP NETWORK traffic and supposedly I can turn it off. So I did (in all my XP machines) by stopping the service. I am still seeing these logs though. It just occurred to me that it might be directed at my networked All-in-one brother fax/scanner/printer which I will turn off briefly to see what happens. I turned off the network printer and the traffic (attempts?) didn't stop. I opened my router (Dlink 624 wireless / 4 port) software (browser) and looked for port forwarding on that port but don't see any. Is it the router trying to talk to something on the network? So, does anyone know what is happening here? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. 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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Oct 1 01:32:02 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:02:02 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C546@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Probably need to disable "Simple File Sharing" >From explorer: Tools -> Folder Options -> View -> (down the bottom) Cheers, A -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 1:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Jon: I don't get the users and permissions on WinXP following that sequence. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Right click on the folder/drive you want to share, then go to properties, > and they're on the "Sharing" and "Security" tabs. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:31 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Jon: > > I've seen that permissions dialog but can't find it. How do I get there? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > When you're sharing folders and drives in 2k or XP, you have Share > > Permissions, which dictate who can "see" the share, and Security > Permissions > > which dictate what you can do to the share. You should check both of these > > to make sure that the user you log on as on YOUR pc has permission to see > > and use Marsha's shares. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:02 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Irwin: > > > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on > my > > computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I > > click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have > > permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. > > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from > the > > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > > machines. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > > > the same name? > > > > > > Erwin > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 1 01:56:20 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:56:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 In-Reply-To: <001d01c4a772$3d9ee3b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: Message-ID: <415D8C34.10472.F027CC@lexacorp.com.pg> > router and DHCP Server that is my NETWORK "firewall" just behind the cable > modem. It is sending to 239.255.255.250 UDP port 1900. I googled > 239.255.255.250 and get nothing. > ..... > > I opened my router (Dlink 624 wireless / 4 port) software (browser) and > looked for port forwarding on that port but don't see any. Is it the router > trying to talk to something on the network? > It's a multicast by the SSDP Service. In other words, your router keeps on yelling "Here I am" just in case some other device is suddenly added to the network and needs to know about it. -- Stuart From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Oct 1 06:15:51 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:15:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B51AF@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8A1@ADGSERVER> Do you have something like "Simple file sharing" turned on? I think that you have to have that turned off. IIRC. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Erwin: I'm having a little trouble locating that share permissions dialog box for the users Right clicking the drive, the Properties on the pop up menu, then Sharing, I get a dialog box with only a couple of check boxes - Local sharing and security and Network sharing and security. But no place to set user permissions. I've seen that user permissions dialog before but can't conjure it up anymore. Any ideas? MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Aha > Its a security issue. > > Change the share permissions to everyone > Or > Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. If u > use passwords the passwords must match to.... > > Problem solved (I hope) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Irwin: > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup > on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her > machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message that > says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do have her > C: drive sharable. > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things > >from > > >the > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > machines. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers > to > > the same name? > > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew > > Wutka > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > > looking in the right place. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a > > > TCP/IP > > protocol > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > essentially. > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some > > > of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > > machine can > > push > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the > > > others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines has > > > permission > > to 'see' > > > hers, however. > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to > > > block > it > > both > > > ways. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, > > > > but when > > you > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. > > > > One, > > > security, > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To > 'see' > > > > each other, > > > they > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you > > > > have > > NetBios > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go > with > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > > computer' > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Tesiny, Ed > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I > have > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared > out > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't > > > > see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is > > > > this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the > > > > printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State > > > > OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 1 08:15:03 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:15:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Damn Francisco, that's two out of two for you. First Firefox, a great browser (thanks) and now Sygate, a very nice software firewall (thanks). I have always used Zonealarm but it is nice being able to see things. Graphs even! I always felt like I was flying blind and hoping that Zonealarm was doing what it oughta. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just > silly. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this > issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the > PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked > on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner > installed it. > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client > who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost > wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about > everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and > straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this > morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he > was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things > were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their > security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the > protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 1 09:42:46 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:42:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Yep, good stuff! Here's some other free software that Francisco and others have recommended that I use in various situations: Mozilla FoxFire Browser Thunderbird Email Trillian IM Sygate Firewall FileZilla FTP IrfanView Imaging Grisoft AVG Anti-virus NoteTab Text Editor Keep 'em coming! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) Damn Francisco, that's two out of two for you. First Firefox, a great browser (thanks) and now Sygate, a very nice software firewall (thanks). I have always used Zonealarm but it is nice being able to see things. Graphs even! I always felt like I was flying blind and hoping that Zonealarm was doing what it oughta. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just > silly. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this > issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the > PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked > on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner > installed it. > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client > who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost > wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about > everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and > straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this > morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he > was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things > were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their > security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the > protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 10:54:05 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:54:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:42:46 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Yep, good stuff! > > Here's some other free software that Francisco and others have recommended > that I use in various situations: > > Mozilla FoxFire Browser > Thunderbird Email > Trillian IM > Sygate Firewall > FileZilla FTP > IrfanView Imaging > Grisoft AVG Anti-virus > NoteTab Text Editor My vote is Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for e-mail Crimson Editor - Text Editor - http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ Programmer's Notepad - Text Editor - http://www.pnotepad.org/ Putty - SSH and Telnet Client - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ Gimp - Photoshop Replacement - http://www.gimp.org/ iTunes - MP3 Player - http://www.apple.com/itunes/ This is just what comes to mind readily. http://www.pricelessware.org/ for a whole host of other stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 1 11:42:52 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:42:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <6334985857.20041001184252@cactus.dk> Hi Bryan et all Anyone having experience with this: > #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ Limitations? /gustav From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 1 11:45:45 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:45:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are these all free? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:42:46 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Yep, good stuff! > > Here's some other free software that Francisco and others have recommended > that I use in various situations: > > Mozilla FoxFire Browser > Thunderbird Email > Trillian IM > Sygate Firewall > FileZilla FTP > IrfanView Imaging > Grisoft AVG Anti-virus > NoteTab Text Editor My vote is Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for e-mail Crimson Editor - Text Editor - http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ Programmer's Notepad - Text Editor - http://www.pnotepad.org/ Putty - SSH and Telnet Client - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ Gimp - Photoshop Replacement - http://www.gimp.org/ iTunes - MP3 Player - http://www.apple.com/itunes/ This is just what comes to mind readily. http://www.pricelessware.org/ for a whole host of other stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 1 12:47:03 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:47:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: <6334985857.20041001184252@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Looks like you're back in working order for the lists! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) Hi Bryan et all Anyone having experience with this: > #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ Limitations? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 1 13:03:32 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:03:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3839825746.20041001200332@cactus.dk> Hi John Are you talking about the sequence of messages received? If so, yes for my own messages; however I still see answers to messages from others I haven't received ... /gustav > Date: 2004-10-01 19:47 > Hi Gustav, > Looks like you're back in working order for the lists! > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's > play)) > Hi Bryan et all > Anyone having experience with this: >> #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ > Limitations? > /gustav From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:35:42 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:35:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: <6334985857.20041001184252@cactus.dk> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <6334985857.20041001184252@cactus.dk> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:42:52 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Bryan et all > > Anyone having experience with this: > > > #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ > > Limitations? None that I have run across, but then again I know very little about .Net. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:36:49 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:36:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:45:45 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Are these all free? All the ones I've posted about, yep Even for commercial use. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 1 13:38:32 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:38:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: <3839825746.20041001200332@cactus.dk> Message-ID: I have always had some issues with how messages come in from other listers. I always thought it was due to the international nature of these lists. I know Bryan is still working at resolving these recent quirks. So hopefully things will be back on track for you soon. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) Hi John Are you talking about the sequence of messages received? If so, yes for my own messages; however I still see answers to messages from others I haven't received ... /gustav > Date: 2004-10-01 19:47 > Hi Gustav, > Looks like you're back in working order for the lists! > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's > play)) > Hi Bryan et all > Anyone having experience with this: >> #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ > Limitations? > /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 1 17:32:53 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:32:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415E67B5.6789.4498FF3@lexacorp.com.pg> On 1 Oct 2004 at 11:54, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > > My vote is Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for e-mail > > Crimson Editor - Text Editor - http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ I agree. I list both of those on my Free Software page along with a lot of other good freeware. http://www.lexacorp.com.pg - click on the Free Software button. -- Stuart From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 23:46:33 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:46:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Thanks John, for those out there looking for AV software they can get for free (I mean I like trend micro for me, and if you can afford it, then for you too). Check out Avast! A/V for personal use, it's free and works well.. has good standings... a bit of a resource, compared to quality A/V like TrendMicro, but way better than Norton and McAfee A/V. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:15:03 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Damn Francisco, that's two out of two for you. First Firefox, a great > browser (thanks) and now Sygate, a very nice software firewall (thanks). I > have always used Zonealarm but it is nice being able to see things. Graphs > even! I always felt like I was flying blind and hoping that Zonealarm was > doing what it oughta. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:22 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, but it > won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software firewalls do. > I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka > wrote: > > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just > > silly. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this > > issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > > :o) > > > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the > > PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked > > on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner > > installed it. > > > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client > > who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost > > wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about > > everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and > > straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this > > morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he > > was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things > > were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their > > security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the > > protection he needed. > > > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > > > what part of that am I confusing? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org Pc This! with out the jargon From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sat Oct 2 06:52:32 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:52:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: <3839825746.20041001200332@cactus.dk> References: Message-ID: <415E5E40.14294.15B82E@localhost> On 1 Oct 2004 at 20:03, Gustav Brock wrote: > Are you talking about the sequence of messages received? > If so, yes for my own messages; however I still see answers to > messages from others I haven't received ... When you get ones from the dbas lists that is significantly out of order, could you send it my way (complete with full headers) so I can see if it is dba or not that is causing the problem. Please and thanks. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, and professionals built the Titanic. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sat Oct 2 06:54:06 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:54:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: References: <3839825746.20041001200332@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <415E5E9E.16627.172529@localhost> On 1 Oct 2004 at 13:38, John Bartow wrote: > I have always had some issues with how messages come in from other > listers. I always thought it was due to the international nature of > these lists. Sometimes it is. But sometimes it's mail servers. Sometimes its volume of traffic in the 'net. There are a whole host of different reasons > I know Bryan is still working at resolving these recent quirks. So > hopefully things will be back on track for you soon. Hopefully. I need to pack. I'm moving in 7 days. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better', so I installed Linux. From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Oct 2 08:11:30 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:11:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8A1@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <002a01c4a881$55140740$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: Where do I look to check that? I tried help but it wasn't helpful. TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Do you have something like "Simple file sharing" turned on? I think that > you have to have that turned off. IIRC. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:51 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Erwin: > > I'm having a little trouble locating that share permissions dialog box for > the users Right clicking the drive, the Properties on the pop up menu, then > Sharing, I get a dialog box with only a couple of check boxes - Local > sharing and security and Network sharing and security. But no place to set > user permissions. > > I've seen that user permissions dialog before but can't conjure it up > anymore. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:01 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Aha > > Its a security issue. > > > > Change the share permissions to everyone > > Or > > Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. If u > > use passwords the passwords must match to.... > > > > Problem solved (I hope) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Irwin: > > > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup > > on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her > > machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message that > > says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do have her > > C: drive sharable. > > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things > > >from > > > > >the > > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > > machines. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers > > to > > > the same name? > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew > > > Wutka > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > > > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > > > looking in the right place. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a > > > > TCP/IP > > > protocol > > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > > essentially. > > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some > > > > of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > > > machine can > > > push > > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the > > > > others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines has > > > > permission > > > to 'see' > > > > hers, however. > > > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to > > > > block > > it > > > both > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, > > > > > but when > > > you > > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. > > > > > One, > > > > security, > > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To > > 'see' > > > > > each other, > > > > they > > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you > > > > > have > > > NetBios > > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go > > with > > > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > > > computer' > > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Tesiny, Ed > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I > > have > > > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared > > out > > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't > > > > > see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is > > > > > this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the > > > > > printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State > > > > > OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com Sat Oct 2 19:08:41 2004 From: Mike.Tope at dsl.pipex.com (Mike Tope) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:08:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> No-one seems to have mentioned Maxthon. Used to be called MyIE2. But once you've used mouse gestures you need them, and they're not nearly as good in Firefox. Mike Tope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:42:46 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Yep, good stuff! > > Here's some other free software that Francisco and others have recommended > that I use in various situations: > > Mozilla FoxFire Browser > Thunderbird Email > Trillian IM > Sygate Firewall > FileZilla FTP > IrfanView Imaging > Grisoft AVG Anti-virus > NoteTab Text Editor My vote is Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for e-mail Crimson Editor - Text Editor - http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ Programmer's Notepad - Text Editor - http://www.pnotepad.org/ Putty - SSH and Telnet Client - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ Gimp - Photoshop Replacement - http://www.gimp.org/ iTunes - MP3 Player - http://www.apple.com/itunes/ This is just what comes to mind readily. http://www.pricelessware.org/ for a whole host of other stuff. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Oct 3 13:44:48 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:44:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted - Folding@home Message-ID: <001301c4a979$12b14180$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I just wanted to call everyone's attention to Folding at home. I know a lot of you know about this project, I did and got involved for awhile (through Google's team I think) but over time forgot about it. http://folding.stanford.edu/ Folding at home is a project by Stanford University which essentially builds a mega super computer created by using our home / office computers to form a huge network capable of thousands of times more processing power than even the largest dedicated super computers. http://folding.stanford.edu/stats.html Will take you directly to a page where you can see some statistics for the supercomputer as it exists at this instant in time. This system downloads an executable onto a computer which runs in the idle thread. This means that while the CPU utilized jumps to 100%, it is all idle time ad if your programs need CPU cycles folding at home will not interfere with your program in any way. I had 4 3ghz computers sitting in my home office doing nothing. They are now contributing to mankind's knowledgebase. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From mark.breen at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 13:49:49 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:49:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. I only spent an hour with it, but I was thoroughly unimpressed. It reminded me of Word and Excel of 1992 and having spent ten years or more becoming proficient with an OS, I felt like I used to back in '92. It is not free, it is not world class, so why does every one still keep talking about it. I do not love MS but at least their products are world class, Let me know if I am completely off the wall. Thanks Mark Breen Ireland From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Oct 3 14:16:02 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:16:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted - Folding@home In-Reply-To: <001301c4a979$12b14180$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: I do a similar thing - I used to be a part of the Seti at home project, but I've now got about 10 pc's running United Media's Cancerbuster project... details at: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/14/reg_readers_devote_1600_years/ Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: 03 October 2004 19:45 To: AccessD; SQLServer; VBA; Tech - Database Advisors Inc. Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted - Folding at home I just wanted to call everyone's attention to Folding at home. I know a lot of you know about this project, I did and got involved for awhile (through Google's team I think) but over time forgot about it. http://folding.stanford.edu/ Folding at home is a project by Stanford University which essentially builds a mega super computer created by using our home / office computers to form a huge network capable of thousands of times more processing power than even the largest dedicated super computers. http://folding.stanford.edu/stats.html Will take you directly to a page where you can see some statistics for the supercomputer as it exists at this instant in time. This system downloads an executable onto a computer which runs in the idle thread. This means that while the CPU utilized jumps to 100%, it is all idle time ad if your programs need CPU cycles folding at home will not interfere with your program in any way. I had 4 3ghz computers sitting in my home office doing nothing. They are now contributing to mankind's knowledgebase. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 4 02:02:10 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> Hi Mark If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what you are after: http://www.xandros.com/ /gustav > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Oct 4 07:07:20 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:07:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B5552@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8AB@ADGSERVER> See this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307874 Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Bobby: Where do I look to check that? I tried help but it wasn't helpful. TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Do you have something like "Simple file sharing" turned on? I think > that you have to have that turned off. IIRC. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:51 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Erwin: > > I'm having a little trouble locating that share permissions dialog box > for the users Right clicking the drive, the Properties on the pop up > menu, then > Sharing, I get a dialog box with only a couple of check boxes - Local > sharing and security and Network sharing and security. But no place > to set > user permissions. > > I've seen that user permissions dialog before but can't conjure it up > anymore. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:01 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Aha > > Its a security issue. > > > > Change the share permissions to everyone > > Or > > Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. If > > u use passwords the passwords must match to.... > > > > Problem solved (I hope) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Irwin: > > > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> > > Workgroup on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' > > her machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message > > that says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do > > have her > > C: drive sharable. > > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things > > >from > > > > >the > > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the > > other machines. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both > > > computers > > to > > > the same name? > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew > > > Wutka > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS > > > or Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If > > > I'm looking in the right place. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a > > > > TCP/IP > > > protocol > > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > > essentially. > > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some > > > > of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My > > > > wife's machine can > > > push > > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the > > > > others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines > > > > has permission > > > to 'see' > > > > hers, however. > > > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to > > > > block > > it > > > both > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, > > > > > but when > > > you > > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. > > > > > One, > > > > security, > > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging > > > > > the machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. > > > > > To > > 'see' > > > > > each other, > > > > they > > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you > > > > > have > > > NetBios > > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you > > > > > go > > with > > > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see > > > > > another > > > computer' > > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Tesiny, Ed > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. > > > > > I > > have > > > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I > > > > > shared > > out > > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't > > > > > see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is > > > > > this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the > > > > > printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State > > > > > OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 4 07:18:29 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:18:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I see what a backup set is backing up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c4aa0c$4874a530$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I created a backup set for my laptop. I can get to backup, I can open the utility, I can see the schedule, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to view the tree of what directories / files that backup set is supposed to be backing up. 1) Is it me, or is this unintuitive? 2) How do I see / change what the backup set is backing up? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Oct 4 07:39:58 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:39:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I see what a backup set is backing up In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B5938@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8AD@ADGSERVER> Sorry, can't help you there. I use Ghost and Acronis True Image. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] How do I see what a backup set is backing up I created a backup set for my laptop. I can get to backup, I can open the utility, I can see the schedule, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to view the tree of what directories / files that backup set is supposed to be backing up. 1) Is it me, or is this unintuitive? 2) How do I see / change what the backup set is backing up? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 4 09:50:14 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:50:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8AB@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <008401c4aa21$757d38c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: I turned it off on my computer which is XP Pro but can't turn it off on the other one because it's XP Home. And I think the other one is the one that's blocking access. Any other ideas? Regards, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > See this: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307874 > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Bobby: > > Where do I look to check that? I tried help but it wasn't helpful. > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Heid" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:15 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Do you have something like "Simple file sharing" turned on? I think > > that you have to have that turned off. IIRC. > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:51 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Erwin: > > > > I'm having a little trouble locating that share permissions dialog box > > for the users Right clicking the drive, the Properties on the pop up > > menu, > then > > Sharing, I get a dialog box with only a couple of check boxes - Local > > sharing and security and Network sharing and security. But no place > > to > set > > user permissions. > > > > I've seen that user permissions dialog before but can't conjure it up > > anymore. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:01 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Aha > > > Its a security issue. > > > > > > Change the share permissions to everyone > > > Or > > > Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. If > > > u use passwords the passwords must match to.... > > > > > > Problem solved (I hope) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Irwin: > > > > > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > > > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> > > > Workgroup on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' > > > her machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message > > > that says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do > > > have her > > > C: drive sharable. > > > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things > > > >from > > > > > > >the > > > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the > > > other machines. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both > > > > computers > > > to > > > > the same name? > > > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew > > > > Wutka > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS > > > > or Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If > > > > I'm looking in the right place. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a > > > > > TCP/IP > > > > protocol > > > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > > > essentially. > > > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > > > Smolin > > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some > > > > > of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My > > > > > wife's machine can > > > > push > > > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the > > > > > others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines > > > > > has permission > > > > to 'see' > > > > > hers, however. > > > > > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to > > > > > block > > > it > > > > both > > > > > ways. > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, > > > > > > but when > > > > you > > > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. > > > > > > One, > > > > > security, > > > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging > > > > > > the machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. > > > > > > To > > > 'see' > > > > > > each other, > > > > > they > > > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you > > > > > > have > > > > NetBios > > > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you > > > > > > go > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see > > > > > > another > > > > computer' > > > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > > Tesiny, Ed > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. > > > > > > I > > > have > > > > > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I > > > > > > shared > > > out > > > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't > > > > > > see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is > > > > > > this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the > > > > > > printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State > > > > > > OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Oct 4 10:27:37 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:27:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B59C3@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8B0@ADGSERVER> Rocky, >From what I have found, I do not believe that you can turn that off in XP Home. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Bobby: I turned it off on my computer which is XP Pro but can't turn it off on the other one because it's XP Home. And I think the other one is the one that's blocking access. Any other ideas? Regards, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 4 14:34:57 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:34:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Iomega Rev drives Message-ID: Would the person who's company sells Iomega Rev drives please contact me off list? I may possibly want to purchase some. John R. Bartow WinHaven LLC PO Box 130 Winneconne, WI 54986 920-582-7574 john at winhaven.net From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Oct 4 15:30:45 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:30:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! Message-ID: <20041004153045.979779402.serbach@new.rr.com> Dear Group, Plunging into the Visual Studio .NET IDE. I had cause to use the Help system. I'm not sure I should have bothered. I was looking for something to do with Cascading Style Sheets and my paging through the index wound up in the Data listing. Out of curiosity I counted the number of index entries that start with the letters "data", beginning with "Data" and ending with "DataWriter". There are 5,656 index entries in that range. This is supposed to be helpful? Are any of you subscribing to Visual Studio .NET or ASP.NET or VB.NET or ADO.NET lists? Any recommendations? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Mon Oct 4 16:55:49 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! References: <20041004153045.979779402.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> Steve, The best answer I know to the uselessness of VSHelp is Google, which with a few small well chosen quoted phrases most often finds just the MSDN (or "dotNetJunkies or whatever) page I need to read. PB ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven W. Erbach To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! Dear Group, Plunging into the Visual Studio .NET IDE. I had cause to use the Help system. I'm not sure I should have bothered. I was looking for something to do with Cascading Style Sheets and my paging through the index wound up in the Data listing. Out of curiosity I counted the number of index entries that start with the letters "data", beginning with "Data" and ending with "DataWriter". There are 5,656 index entries in that range. This is supposed to be helpful? Are any of you subscribing to Visual Studio .NET or ASP.NET or VB.NET or ADO.NET lists? Any recommendations? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Oct 4 17:09:15 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:09:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! In-Reply-To: <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> References: <20041004153045.979779402.serbach@new.rr.com> <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> Message-ID: <20041004170915.469841585.serbach@new.rr.com> Peter, Now THAT is good advice. I was floored, flabbergasted by the "help." I appreciate the tip. Do you subscribe to any list server or on-line list for VS.NET? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 17:55:14 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:55:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dish TV for $29.99 a month... Message-ID: how many here have already looked into this: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/getdish/dha/index.shtml it most certainly sounds sweet, but i already have Adelphia and the whole house wired, for just 12.95 a month :|, but w/ Dish I'd get a free DVR. that would BE sweeeet!!! what are your thoughts about a hardware setup like this (plus I like the idea of trying out HD for 6 months free :)) -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From MPorter at acsalaska.com Mon Oct 4 18:07:02 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:07:02 -0800 Subject: [SPAM: 9.71] [dba-Tech] Dish TV for $29.99 a month... Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4DF4@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> I have Dish and DVR and like it very much. However, in my area it is the cheapest thing going. I have heard great things about TiVo, much better than the Dish DVR, you may want to look into that. You can do more with a TiVo such as hardware and software enhancements than you can a Dish DVR as well. TiVo with your current setup might be a better deal. Mark -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:55 PM To: The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [SPAM: 9.71] [dba-Tech] Dish TV for $29.99 a month... how many here have already looked into this: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/getdish/dha/index.shtml it most certainly sounds sweet, but i already have Adelphia and the whole house wired, for just 12.95 a month :|, but w/ Dish I'd get a free DVR. that would BE sweeeet!!! what are your thoughts about a hardware setup like this (plus I like the idea of trying out HD for 6 months free :)) -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. 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The laptop stopping connecting to the internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is serving as a nice paperweight. Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but they don't support it. ANy ideas appreciated. Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. THanks, Nancy From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Oct 4 18:44:24 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:44:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: <20041004232322.11731.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007001c4aa6c$18831450$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Did you get sp2 for xp? It installs a software firewall. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:23 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked it up, following the instructions for once, I got it to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is serving as a nice paperweight. Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but they don't support it. ANy ideas appreciated. Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. THanks, Nancy _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Oct 4 19:05:48 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: <20041004232322.11731.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Once a month or so, I lose my internet connection - I just have to unplug the netgear router for a minute, then plug it back in, let it find the internet, then plug everything else back into it slowly, works fine for the next month like that. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked it up, following the instructions for once, I got it to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is serving as a nice paperweight. Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but they don't support it. ANy ideas appreciated. Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. THanks, Nancy _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Mon Oct 4 23:40:31 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:10:31 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20139B2@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Did you limit the topics that help was searching? There should be a dropdown list in the help dialog box... _____ From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Tue 5/10/2004 6:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! Dear Group, Plunging into the Visual Studio .NET IDE. I had cause to use the Help system. I'm not sure I should have bothered. I was looking for something to do with Cascading Style Sheets and my paging through the index wound up in the Data listing. Out of curiosity I counted the number of index entries that start with the letters "data", beginning with "Data" and ending with "DataWriter". There are 5,656 index entries in that range. This is supposed to be helpful? Are any of you subscribing to Visual Studio .NET or ASP.NET or VB.NET or ADO.NET lists? Any recommendations? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 5 08:25:44 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:25:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] x-posted XP SP2 on CD Message-ID: For those that haven't installed it yet, you can get XP SP2 on CD: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/defau lt.mspx?urlID=425822449 From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Oct 5 09:45:48 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:45:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20139B2@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD20139B2@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <20041005094548.1546273107.serbach@new.rr.com> Andrew, No, I just opened the help dropdown and started scrolling. I was utterly flabbergasted. If all that were put into a printed index for a book you'd have something the size of the index for the Encyclopaedia Britannica...but the Britannica's index actually helps you find things! I wasn't looking for DATA related items at the time. It just happened that I started scrolling through the help and I marvelled at how many entries there were...then I got sick thinking of how I was supposed to assimilate even a minute fraction of that stuff to get any work done! Steve Erbach > ------------Original Message------------ > From: "Haslett, Andrew" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Date: Mon, Oct-4-2004 11:41 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! > > Did you limit the topics that help was searching? There should be a > dropdown list in the help dialog box... > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 12:09:14 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:09:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Mark, I think you are comming off this the wrong way. I will bet money that you were not as proficient in the Windows OS as you are now back in 92. Linux Desktops will take some getting used to... You'll want to observe some of the current distros out there for Desktop Linux as opposed to Server Linux distros. My favorite for home users is Knoppix. It runs right off the CD and is a breeze to set up. (install). I don't think you can just get up and expect to begin running over night... On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what > you are after: > > http://www.xandros.com/ > > /gustav > > > > > > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:47:42 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:47:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: References: <20041004232322.11731.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do you use in the house, how far appart is it from your netgear? On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > Once a month or so, I lose my internet connection - I just have to unplug > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it back in, let it find the > internet, then plug everything else back into it slowly, works fine for the > next month like that. > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > serving as a nice paperweight. > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > they don't support it. > > ANy ideas appreciated. > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > THanks, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 5 15:59:53 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:59:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's the 11mb one, don't have a wireless phone, neither do my neighbours, and about 3 metres... it works fine after I reset it all. Just one of those things I guess. Gonna upgrade to 108mb when I get my new pc anyway, so I can put up with it, I was just mentioning it as a suggestion for Nancy's problem. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: 05 October 2004 21:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do you use in the house, how far appart is it from your netgear? On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > Once a month or so, I lose my internet connection - I just have to unplug > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it back in, let it find the > internet, then plug everything else back into it slowly, works fine for the > next month like that. > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > serving as a nice paperweight. > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > they don't support it. > > ANy ideas appreciated. > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > THanks, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 16:34:00 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:34:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What model Netgear is it? My boss has a Netgear wireless router and has not reported any of these problems... he did mention that he had an issue of connectivity when he attempted to access it from the 1st floor of his house.. but other than that it has been fine. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:59:53 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > It's the 11mb one, don't have a wireless phone, neither do my neighbours, > and about 3 metres... it works fine after I reset it all. Just one of those > things I guess. Gonna upgrade to 108mb when I get my new pc anyway, so I can > put up with it, I was just mentioning it as a suggestion for Nancy's > problem. > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: 05 October 2004 21:48 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do you use in the house, > how far appart is it from your netgear? > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > > Once a month or so, I lose my internet connection - I just have to unplug > > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it back in, let it find the > > internet, then plug everything else back into it slowly, works fine for > the > > next month like that. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked > > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the > > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > > serving as a nice paperweight. > > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do > > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > > they don't support it. > > > > ANy ideas appreciated. > > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, > > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > > > THanks, > > Nancy > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc news with out the > jargon > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From lytlenj at yahoo.com Tue Oct 5 16:44:10 2004 From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: <007001c4aa6c$18831450$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <20041005214410.4548.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> I have SP 2 installed on the desktop. I disabled the firewall because I am using Sygate firewall. I think the problem has to do with the MAC addressing, that when the router is hooked up, the ISP has trouble finding the MAC it is looking for. Thanks, Nancy --- "John W. Colby" wrote: > Did you get sp2 for xp? It installs a software > firewall. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:23 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I > hooked > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected > the > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > serving as a nice paperweight. > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to > do > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > they don't support it. > > ANy ideas appreciated. > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP > Professional, > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > THanks, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lytlenj at yahoo.com Tue Oct 5 16:46:08 2004 From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041005214608.84347.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> My NetGear is a 108 Mbps Wireless Firewall Router WGT624 v2. Nancy --- Francisco Tapia wrote: > What model Netgear is it? My boss has a Netgear > wireless router and > has not reported any of these problems... he did > mention that he had > an issue of connectivity when he attempted to access > it from the 1st > floor of his house.. but other than that it has been > fine. > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:59:53 +0100, Jon Tydda > wrote: > > It's the 11mb one, don't have a wireless phone, > neither do my neighbours, > > and about 3 metres... it works fine after I reset > it all. Just one of those > > things I guess. Gonna upgrade to 108mb when I get > my new pc anyway, so I can > > put up with it, I was just mentioning it as a > suggestion for Nancy's > > problem. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On > Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > Sent: 05 October 2004 21:48 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do > you use in the house, > > how far appart is it from your netgear? > > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda > wrote: > > > Once a month or so, I lose my internet > connection - I just have to unplug > > > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it > back in, let it find the > > > internet, then plug everything else back into it > slowly, works fine for > > the > > > next month like that. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On > Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > > > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. > I > > > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I > also > > > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I > hooked > > > it up, following the instructions for once, I > got it > > > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short > time, > > > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to > the > > > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am > connected the > > > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear > is > > > serving as a nice paperweight. > > > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something > to do > > > with it being a firewall router, but I don't > know. I > > > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, > but > > > they don't support it. > > > > > > ANy ideas appreciated. > > > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP > Professional, > > > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > > > > > THanks, > > > Nancy > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > Pc This! pc > news with out the > > jargon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc > news with out the jargon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 16:55:30 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:55:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: <20041005214608.84347.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041005214608.84347.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: you may want to run through Netgear's troubleshooting page http://kbserver.netgear.com/products_automatic/WGT624v2.asp http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101179.asp and see if you get anywhere w/ the section on configuring your parameters to that of your netgear. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Lytle wrote: > My NetGear is a 108 Mbps Wireless Firewall Router > WGT624 v2. > > Nancy > > > --- Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > What model Netgear is it? My boss has a Netgear > > wireless router and > > has not reported any of these problems... he did > > mention that he had > > an issue of connectivity when he attempted to access > > it from the 1st > > floor of his house.. but other than that it has been > > fine. > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:59:53 +0100, Jon Tydda > > wrote: > > > It's the 11mb one, don't have a wireless phone, > > neither do my neighbours, > > > and about 3 metres... it works fine after I reset > > it all. Just one of those > > > things I guess. Gonna upgrade to 108mb when I get > > my new pc anyway, so I can > > > put up with it, I was just mentioning it as a > > suggestion for Nancy's > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On > > Behalf Of Francisco > > > Tapia > > > Sent: 05 October 2004 21:48 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > > > what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do > > you use in the house, > > > how far appart is it from your netgear? > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda > > wrote: > > > > Once a month or so, I lose my internet > > connection - I just have to unplug > > > > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it > > back in, let it find the > > > > internet, then plug everything else back into it > > slowly, works fine for > > > the > > > > next month like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On > > Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > > > > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > > > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > > > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. > > I > > > > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I > > also > > > > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I > > hooked > > > > it up, following the instructions for once, I > > got it > > > > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short > > time, > > > > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to > > the > > > > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am > > connected the > > > > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear > > is > > > > serving as a nice paperweight. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something > > to do > > > > with it being a firewall router, but I don't > > know. I > > > > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, > > but > > > > they don't support it. > > > > > > > > ANy ideas appreciated. > > > > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP > > Professional, > > > > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > > > > > > > THanks, > > > > Nancy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -Francisco > > > Pc This! pc > > news with out the > > > jargon > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > Pc This! pc > > news with out the jargon > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 5 17:00:13 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:00:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's erm, DG834? It's not wireless, I've got it plugged into an MA312 (or something like that - it's downstairs and I can't be bothered to get up to check), and it's going through a floor as well. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: 05 October 2004 22:34 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network What model Netgear is it? My boss has a Netgear wireless router and has not reported any of these problems... he did mention that he had an issue of connectivity when he attempted to access it from the 1st floor of his house.. but other than that it has been fine. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:59:53 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > It's the 11mb one, don't have a wireless phone, neither do my neighbours, > and about 3 metres... it works fine after I reset it all. Just one of those > things I guess. Gonna upgrade to 108mb when I get my new pc anyway, so I can > put up with it, I was just mentioning it as a suggestion for Nancy's > problem. > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: 05 October 2004 21:48 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > what band is it? What kind of wireless phone do you use in the house, > how far appart is it from your netgear? > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:05:48 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > > Once a month or so, I lose my internet connection - I just have to unplug > > the netgear router for a minute, then plug it back in, let it find the > > internet, then plug everything else back into it slowly, works fine for > the > > next month like that. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > > Sent: 05 October 2004 00:23 > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I hooked > > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected the > > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > > serving as a nice paperweight. > > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do > > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > > they don't support it. > > > > ANy ideas appreciated. > > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, > > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > > > THanks, > > Nancy > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc news with out the > jargon > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 17:07:54 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:07:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) In-Reply-To: <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> Message-ID: maybe, but I use a trackball, and mousegestures are not as fun on a trackball... on the other hand, I get less carpeltunnel problems. btw, I tried the Progammers Notepad 1and 2 and I like NotePad++ better still... http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:08:41 +0100, Mike Tope wrote: > No-one seems to have mentioned Maxthon. Used to be called MyIE2. > But once you've used mouse gestures you need them, and they're not nearly as > good in Firefox. > > Mike Tope > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Software was: (security (was: Child's play)) > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:42:46 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > > Yep, good stuff! > > > > Here's some other free software that Francisco and others have recommended > > that I use in various situations: > > > > Mozilla FoxFire Browser > > Thunderbird Email > > Trillian IM > > Sygate Firewall > > FileZilla FTP > > IrfanView Imaging > > Grisoft AVG Anti-virus > > NoteTab Text Editor > > My vote is Pegasus Mail (http://www.pmail.com) for e-mail > > Crimson Editor - Text Editor - http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ > Programmer's Notepad - Text Editor - http://www.pnotepad.org/ > Putty - SSH and Telnet Client - > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ > #develop - .Net IDE - http://www.icsharpcode.net/ > Gimp - Photoshop Replacement - http://www.gimp.org/ > iTunes - MP3 Player - http://www.apple.com/itunes/ > > This is just what comes to mind readily. > > http://www.pricelessware.org/ for a whole host of other stuff. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 5 21:38:30 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:38:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network In-Reply-To: <20041005214410.4548.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c4ab4d$940d7d40$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> You can tell the router to fake a mac I believe, just for this reason. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless network I have SP 2 installed on the desktop. I disabled the firewall because I am using Sygate firewall. I think the problem has to do with the MAC addressing, that when the router is hooked up, the ISP has trouble finding the MAC it is looking for. Thanks, Nancy --- "John W. Colby" wrote: > Did you get sp2 for xp? It installs a software > firewall. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Nancy Lytle > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:23 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I > got a laptop with a built-in wireless card. I also > got a NetGear wireless firewall router. When I > hooked > it up, following the instructions for once, I got it > to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, > then, no go. The laptop stopping connecting to the > internet 1st then the desktop. Now I am connected > the > old fashioned way on the desktop and the NetGear is > serving as a nice paperweight. > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to > do > with it being a firewall router, but I don't know. I > got it from Gateway, when I bought the laptop, but > they don't support it. > > ANy ideas appreciated. > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP > Professional, > the laptop is a Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > THanks, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Oct 6 01:12:57 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:12:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC7F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Over here some ISP only renew IP every X hour. Thats nothing new on itself but you can not get an IP address in that timeframe if you connect a new router. I'm not explaining myself to good here :-) What I wanna say is when you connect a new device you gonna have to wait until the old IP lease has time out before your new device will get a new IP. But this is not with all ISP... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless network You can tell the router to fake a mac I believe, just for this reason. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wireless network I have SP 2 installed on the desktop. I disabled the firewall because I am using Sygate firewall. I think the problem has to do with the MAC addressing, that when the router is hooked up, the ISP has trouble finding the MAC it is looking for. Thanks, Nancy --- "John W. Colby" wrote: > Did you get sp2 for xp? It installs a software firewall. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy > Lytle > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:23 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless network > > > I have a DSL modem and have no problems with it. I got a laptop with > a built-in wireless card. I also got a NetGear wireless firewall > router. When I hooked it up, following the instructions for once, I > got it to work with my desktop and laptop for a short time, then, no > go. The laptop stopping connecting to the internet 1st then the > desktop. Now I am connected the old fashioned way on the desktop and > the NetGear is serving as a nice paperweight. > Anyone have any ideas? I think it has something to do with it being a > firewall router, but I don't know. I got it from Gateway, when I > bought the laptop, but they don't support it. > > ANy ideas appreciated. > Desktop PC is P4 2.0 with 512 RAM on XP Professional, the laptop is a > Centrino with XP Home Edition. > > THanks, > Nancy > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mark.breen at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 07:10:42 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:10:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <26a96cce04100705104d15bded@mail.gmail.com> Hello Francisco, Thanks for your reply. I was not expecting or even demanding of Linux to be proficient or for it to do everything that XP can do. I was becoming more and more curious about what this Linux thing is. Having loaded a version of it, I just came away with the impression, that it was three or four generations behind what we currently have. I have the perception that there are hundreds of tools out there, and many, many flavours of Linux, and obviously different ones are preferable to different people. My main question was however, do you guys, my peers, consider it also a few generations behind where we are with XP, Office, VB.Net, SQL 2000, ADO and IE with SP2. What I was really, really curious about was, whether there are some people that can give examples of where it beats using the more common OS's. I am not fanatical about either, and I have to say, I have been intrigued by Linux for a few years, but I was really disappointed when I first played with it last Sunday night, albeit for an hour or two only. I will look at Knoppix once I click Send :) Mark On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:09:14 -0700, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Mark, I think you are comming off this the wrong way. I will bet > money that you were not as proficient in the Windows OS as you are now > back in 92. Linux Desktops will take some getting used to... You'll > want to observe some of the current distros out there for Desktop > Linux as opposed to Server Linux distros. > > My favorite for home users is Knoppix. It runs right off the CD and > is a breeze to set up. (install). I don't think you can just get up > and expect to begin running over night... > > > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Mark > > > > If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what > > you are after: > > > > http://www.xandros.com/ > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc news with out the jargon > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From artful at rogers.com Thu Oct 7 08:49:07 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:49:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04100705104d15bded@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> <26a96cce04100705104d15bded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41654953.3080100@rogers.com> Mark Breen wrote: >Hello Francisco, > >Thanks for your reply. > >I was not expecting or even demanding of Linux to be proficient or for >it to do everything that XP can do. > >I was becoming more and more curious about what this Linux thing is. >Having loaded a version of it, I just came away with the impression, >that it was three or four generations behind what we currently have. > >I have the perception that there are hundreds of tools out there, and >many, many flavours of Linux, and obviously different ones are >preferable to different people. > >My main question was however, do you guys, my peers, consider it also >a few generations behind where we are with XP, Office, VB.Net, SQL >2000, ADO and IE with SP2. > >What I was really, really curious about was, whether there are some >people that can give examples of where it beats using the more common >OS's. > >I am not fanatical about either, and I have to say, I have been >intrigued by Linux for a few years, but I was really disappointed when >I first played with it last Sunday night, albeit for an hour or two >only. > >I will look at Knoppix once I click Send :) > >Mark > > > >On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:09:14 -0700, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > >>Mark, I think you are comming off this the wrong way. I will bet >>money that you were not as proficient in the Windows OS as you are now >>back in 92. Linux Desktops will take some getting used to... You'll >>want to observe some of the current distros out there for Desktop >>Linux as opposed to Server Linux distros. >> >>My favorite for home users is Knoppix. It runs right off the CD and >>is a breeze to set up. (install). I don't think you can just get up >>and expect to begin running over night... >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Mark >>> >>>If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what >>>you are after: >>> >>> http://www.xandros.com/ >>> >>>/gustav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>-Francisco >>Pc This! pc news with out the jargon >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > My favourite distro is Mandrake. I'm on version 10 right now. You may have noticed that many of the vendors now have both a free and a commercial distro. In Mandrake's case, you get a bunch of commercial applications with the at-cost version that are not included in the free version. In some cases the at-cost versions also include drivers for various hardware. A friend of mine taught me a new trick when I installed Mandrake 10. I was used to creating 3 partititions but he said to just format the entire disk as one Linux partition rather than trying to allocate a certain amount of space to each of the three partititions. I tried it and it works nicely. As to your question of where Linux shines as well as WXP + Office etc., there are two areas -- on servers and in licensing costs. Linux servers running Apache are far and away the dominant web servers worldwide. On the desktop, office-type applications are a good place to compare, but so are dedicated boxes. A lot of people are running Linux at work without even knowing it -- i.e. people working at cash registers in supermarkets and so on. Linux is widely used in this kind of hardware because it's cheap and once you've got it set up right, almost indestructible. When was the last time you rebooted your windows machine? Linux machines typically go years without a reboot. HTH, Arthur From mark.breen at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 10:38:12 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:38:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <41654953.3080100@rogers.com> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> <26a96cce04100705104d15bded@mail.gmail.com> <41654953.3080100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <26a96cce041007083853167ebb@mail.gmail.com> Hello Arthur, Thanks for that, I did have the perception that Linux is used for a range of embedded type systems, as you mention. Now that you have mentioned it, I guess I did also now that Linux, well more Apache, was dominant worldwide, I had always presumed that it was down to cost. I never had any idea whether Linux / Apache is better or worse than the NT Platform and IIS. Regardless of whether I like it or not, I still find it facinating. I bet MS are gobsmacked at how it even exists, it should not made any sense? Mark On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:49:07 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > > > > > My favourite distro is Mandrake. I'm on version 10 right now. You may > have noticed that many of the vendors now have both a free and a > commercial distro. In Mandrake's case, you get a bunch of commercial > applications with the at-cost version that are not included in the free > version. In some cases the at-cost versions also include drivers for > various hardware. > > A friend of mine taught me a new trick when I installed Mandrake 10. I > was used to creating 3 partititions but he said to just format the > entire disk as one Linux partition rather than trying to allocate a > certain amount of space to each of the three partititions. I tried it > and it works nicely. > > As to your question of where Linux shines as well as WXP + Office etc., > there are two areas -- on servers and in licensing costs. Linux servers > running Apache are far and away the dominant web servers worldwide. On > the desktop, office-type applications are a good place to compare, but > so are dedicated boxes. A lot of people are running Linux at work > without even knowing it -- i.e. people working at cash registers in > supermarkets and so on. Linux is widely used in this kind of hardware > because it's cheap and once you've got it set up right, almost > indestructible. When was the last time you rebooted your windows > machine? Linux machines typically go years without a reboot. > > HTH, > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mark.breen at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 10:42:08 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:42:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <26a96cce04100708424291ee1f@mail.gmail.com> Hello Gustav, I am currently downloaded Knoppix as I type, I did visit the Xandros website but it appeared that the only way to download for free was to use some software named bitware. This sounds like a kind of Peer to Peer system, which I am reluctant to install for obvious reasons. I did not look into purchasing the CD from Xandros, as I presume that I can or will find a site that I can download a harddisk installable version. Do you think that Xandros is worth ordering and paying for or will I keep looking for a easily aquireable version? Thanks Mark On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what > you are after: > > http://www.xandros.com/ > > /gustav > > > > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 11:53:28 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:53:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04100708424291ee1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> <26a96cce04100708424291ee1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: my 2 cents. I have been playing w/ Linux on an off for a little bit now. I need to spend more time on it to really become profeccient. On the comment you made about bittorrent, yes it IS a P2P application, it does not function like any other P2P application out there. You'd have to visit the main website to find out more, but amongst my favorite bittorrent clients are Bit Tornado. in the case of the Xandros distro, it works to help alleviate bandwidth for the provider. They make the file available on the bittorrent network, using their tracker, which in turn keeps a tab on who is downloaing at the moment. It is used to figure out where the demands are for the file. There are Seeders and Peers on the network, a peer is a computer that does not have the complete ISO. A seed is a computer w/ the completed IS downloaded. The tracker is the cop if you will, that monitors how many packets you have, and if any other peer on the network requires that block of data. if it does and you have it, it will share that block (for the ISO only not any other file). Round and round it goes until all peers on the network become seeds and therefore have a complete copy of the ISO. Bittorrent is such a great distribution option that I wish it would be used more often. The results of a good Bittorrent network is that you get to download at the maximum bandwidth avialable to you. so instead of only getting a slow 40kb/s you may see things around 150kb/s or faster depending on your b/w and the b/w of the bittorent network. On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:42:08 +0100, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Gustav, > > I am currently downloaded Knoppix as I type, > > I did visit the Xandros website but it appeared that the only way to > download for free was to use some software named bitware. This sounds > like a kind of Peer to Peer system, which I am reluctant to install > for obvious reasons. > > I did not look into purchasing the CD from Xandros, as I presume that > I can or will find a site that I can download a harddisk installable > version. > > Do you think that Xandros is worth ordering and paying for or will I > keep looking for a easily aquireable version? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Mark > > > > If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what > > you are after: > > > > http://www.xandros.com/ > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Oct 7 13:13:17 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:13:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309C5075@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB8D7@ADGSERVER> If that download utility is bit torrent, then that is an ok p2p system. It works by getting pieces from other users while others get parts of the same files from you. The more you let upload, the faster you download. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time I did visit the Xandros website but it appeared that the only way to download for free was to use some software named bitware. This sounds like a kind of Peer to Peer system, which I am reluctant to install for obvious reasons. Thanks Mark From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 7 13:32:38 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Good deal Message-ID: <000201c4ac9c$095a3940$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> The laptop I bought for 1500 minus $250 rebate is now available for $1300 minus an additional $150 mail in rebate. This is a NICE machine folks. Emachines Athlon64 3000+ ghz, 512m ram, 60m hard drive, built-in 54mbit wireless, etc. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1069301995506&skuId= 6249703 John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Thu Oct 7 14:17:59 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:17:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Good deal References: <000201c4ac9c$095a3940$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <00b801c4aca2$61163020$0c0110ac@toshnb> Also at http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8 66925&Sku=E400-M6805 ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Colby To: VBA ; Tech - Database Advisors Inc. ; SQLServer ; AccessD Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Good deal The laptop I bought for 1500 minus $250 rebate is now available for $1300 minus an additional $150 mail in rebate. This is a NICE machine folks. Emachines Athlon64 3000+ ghz, 512m ram, 60m hard drive, built-in 54mbit wireless, etc. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1069301995506&skuId= 6249703 John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 7 16:10:26 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:10:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Good deal References: <000201c4ac9c$095a3940$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <4165B0C2.8030406@shaw.ca> Oh you can try the execute disable bit with Win XP SP2 and that chip. That should block any buffer overrun viruses. John W. Colby wrote: >The laptop I bought for 1500 minus $250 rebate is now available for $1300 >minus an additional $150 mail in rebate. This is a NICE machine folks. > >Emachines Athlon64 3000+ ghz, 512m ram, 60m hard drive, built-in 54mbit >wireless, etc. > >http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1069301995506&skuId= >6249703 > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 7 18:56:54 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:56:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Good deal In-Reply-To: <4165B0C2.8030406@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000a01c4acc9$56842000$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> So right. I am in the process of upgrading all my home / office machines to that chip for exactly that reason. My laptop has that chip and 2 of 4 of my home / office machines have it. I just received the MB and chip to upgrade my wife's machine to the Athlon64. That leaves a single desktop using the Athlon XP and my wife's OLD laptop using an old PII. Slowly but surely. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Good deal Oh you can try the execute disable bit with Win XP SP2 and that chip. That should block any buffer overrun viruses. John W. Colby wrote: >The laptop I bought for 1500 minus $250 rebate is now available for >$1300 minus an additional $150 mail in rebate. This is a NICE machine >folks. > >Emachines Athlon64 3000+ ghz, 512m ram, 60m hard drive, built-in 54mbit >wireless, etc. > >http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1069301995506&s >kuId= >6249703 > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 7 11:30:00 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:30:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just loaded Linux for the first time In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04100708424291ee1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c4a7b8$ae832d70$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <007501c4a8dd$241dfb80$0207a8c0@bill> <26a96cce041003114955d0819a@mail.gmail.com> <55634031.20041004090210@cactus.dk> <26a96cce04100708424291ee1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18833978298.20041007183000@cactus.dk> Hi Mark I wouldn't be afraid of the bitware thingy. We get the cd from the local distributor. I haven't tried it myself but colleagues and reviews speak about as a very nice distro. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-07 17:42 > Hello Gustav, > I am currently downloaded Knoppix as I type, > I did visit the Xandros website but it appeared that the only way to > download for free was to use some software named bitware. This sounds > like a kind of Peer to Peer system, which I am reluctant to install > for obvious reasons. > I did not look into purchasing the CD from Xandros, as I presume that > I can or will find a site that I can download a harddisk installable > version. > Do you think that Xandros is worth ordering and paying for or will I > keep looking for a easily aquireable version? > Thanks > Mark > On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:02:10 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi Mark >> >> If you are looking for Linux on the desktop, Xandros may be more what >> you are after: >> >> http://www.xandros.com/ >> >> /gustav >> >> >> > I just loaded Mandrake Linux for the first time. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Fri Oct 8 10:06:01 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:06:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> In Firefox I cannot visit any site that has a Flash intro and view it correctly. In Thunderbird I cannot see HTML email as it should appear. I guess that I'm missing some plug-ins, but I've tried adding plug-ins and it just tells me there are none available. Any suggestions from users of these products as to how to fix the problem? I'm running WXP on this machine, with all the service packs. TIA, Arthur From artful at rogers.com Fri Oct 8 10:13:24 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! In-Reply-To: <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> References: <20041004153045.979779402.serbach@new.rr.com> <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> Message-ID: <4166AE94.2070902@rogers.com> Peter Brawley wrote: >Steve, > >The best answer I know to the uselessness of VSHelp is Google, which with a >few small well chosen quoted phrases most often finds just the MSDN (or >"dotNetJunkies or whatever) page I need to read. > >PB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven W. Erbach > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:30 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! > > > Dear Group, > > Plunging into the Visual Studio .NET IDE. I had cause to use the Help >system. I'm not sure I should have bothered. I was looking for something to >do with Cascading Style Sheets and my paging through the index wound up in >the Data listing. Out of curiosity I counted the number of index entries >that start with the letters "data", beginning with "Data" and ending with >"DataWriter". There are 5,656 index entries in that range. This is supposed >to be helpful? > > Are any of you subscribing to Visual Studio .NET or ASP.NET or VB.NET or >ADO.NET lists? Any recommendations? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > Yup! Google is the answer to MS-HELP's question: what the hell is this? :) I would also highly recommend a video card such as the Matrox that can handle two monitors. I have a pair of 17" monitors on my .NET box and it is wonderful to program that way. I even do most of my development in Access on this box, since I can drag the code window onto one monitor and run the app itself on the other. WAY COOL way to code. The cards aren't that costly, and chances are everyone on this list has an extra monitor or three lying around. From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 10:22:26 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:22:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> Message-ID: flash is easy... visit the home page at macromedia.com and locate their full flash installer, it "should" find the default mozilla folder automatically and install. (make sure you have all firefox sessions off. for Thunderbird and HTML, go into your view, and select the type of view you want for your email, there's plain text, safe html, and normal (w/ html) . On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:06:01 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In Firefox I cannot visit any site that has a Flash intro and view it > correctly. > In Thunderbird I cannot see HTML email as it should appear. > > I guess that I'm missing some plug-ins, but I've tried adding plug-ins > and it just tells me there are none available. > > Any suggestions from users of these products as to how to fix the problem? > > I'm running WXP on this machine, with all the service packs. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From artful at rogers.com Sat Oct 9 13:45:09 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:45:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <416831B5.4040503@rogers.com> Francisco Tapia wrote: >flash is easy... visit the home page at macromedia.com and locate >their full flash installer, it "should" find the default mozilla >folder automatically and install. (make sure you have all firefox >sessions off. > >for Thunderbird and HTML, go into your view, and select the type of >view you want for your email, there's plain text, safe html, and >normal (w/ html) . > > > > >On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:06:01 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > >>In Firefox I cannot visit any site that has a Flash intro and view it >>correctly. >>In Thunderbird I cannot see HTML email as it should appear. >> >>I guess that I'm missing some plug-ins, but I've tried adding plug-ins >>and it just tells me there are none available. >> >>Any suggestions from users of these products as to how to fix the problem? >> >>I'm running WXP on this machine, with all the service packs. >> >>TIA, >>Arthur >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > > > I'm not sure whether it was you, but I recall somebody mentioning RSS support in Thunderbird. Or was it FireFox? How do I activate said support? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 9 18:22:48 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:22:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: <416831B5.4040503@rogers.com> References: Message-ID: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> On 9 Oct 2004 at 14:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm not sure whether it was you, but I recall somebody mentioning RSS > support in Thunderbird. Or was it FireFox? How do I activate said support? In Firefox Ver 1.0PR, if the site provides RSS, a button marked RSS appears in the bottom right hand corner of the browser(at the end of the status bar) Click on the button to add a "live bookmark" for the page's feeds. -- Stuart From jmhla at earthlink.net Sat Oct 9 19:49:36 2004 From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:49:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question Add on question In-Reply-To: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <200410100049.i9A0nWL14070@databaseadvisors.com> What is RSS? Joe Hecht jmhla at earthlink.net 28g -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 4:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question On 9 Oct 2004 at 14:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm not sure whether it was you, but I recall somebody mentioning RSS > support in Thunderbird. Or was it FireFox? How do I activate said support? In Firefox Ver 1.0PR, if the site provides RSS, a button marked RSS appears in the bottom right hand corner of the browser(at the end of the status bar) Click on the button to add a "live bookmark" for the page's feeds. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 9 22:47:40 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:47:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question Add on question In-Reply-To: <200410100049.i9A0nWL14070@databaseadvisors.com> References: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41693D7C.6894.9BC7313@lexacorp.com.pg> On 9 Oct 2004 at 17:49, Joe Hecht wrote: > What is RSS? > http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html -- Stuart From fhtapia at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 00:03:00 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:03:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question Add on question In-Reply-To: <41693D7C.6894.9BC7313@lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> <200410100049.i9A0nWL14070@databaseadvisors.com> <41693D7C.6894.9BC7313@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Really Simple Syndication w/ Firefox they have live bookmarks, and you can have bookmarks that can auto-update w/ the latest news say for example my blog at pcthis.blogspot.com, you'd have each publication as a new bookmark automatically. On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:47:40 +1000, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > On 9 Oct 2004 at 17:49, Joe Hecht wrote: > > > What is RSS? > > > http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html > > > > -- > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From serbach at new.rr.com Sun Oct 10 13:18:13 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:18:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio .NET "Help" - Good God! In-Reply-To: <4166AE94.2070902@rogers.com> References: <20041004153045.979779402.serbach@new.rr.com> <003101c4aa5c$f1c61420$0c0110ac@toshnb> <4166AE94.2070902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041010131813.540405063.serbach@new.rr.com> Arthur, >> I would also highly recommend a video card such as the Matrox that can handle two monitors. << I do, indeed, have a card like that (a Radeon 9550) and I was using two monitors up until recently. My second monitor was dying (getting dimmer) and, with my recent upgrades and new systems, I decided to get a 4-way KVM switch. I suppose that I could hook a 2nd monitor onto the DVI port while the VGA port fed the KVM switch. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Oct 10 16:13:54 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:13:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question Add on question References: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> <41693D7C.6894.9BC7313@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4169A612.3030309@shaw.ca> There are a lot of RSS Viewers available on the net Here is one and some test feeds below http://www.rssreader.com/ Here is some VBA code to grab an RSS feed and stick the data into an Access table with one hyperlink field that can be then displayed on a continuous feed form 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/rss.xml","Just Published" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/rss.xml","Web Services" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/rss.xml","Visual Studio" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/rss.xml","Net Framework" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/rss.xml","VC Sharp" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/rss.xml", "VisualC" 'LoadXML "http://msdn.microsoft.com/security/rss.xml", "Security" 'Loadxml "http://www.kbalertz.com/rss/acc.xml","accesskbalert" Public Sub LoadXMLJP(ByRef AdviserXML As String, strFeed As String) ' On Error GoTo ErrorHandler Const ACTION_NAME As String = "LoadXML" Dim oDOMDocument As MSXML2.DOMDocument40 Dim oNodeList As IXMLDOMNodeList Dim oAdviserDetailsNode As IXMLDOMNode Dim oLowestLevelNode As IXMLDOMElement Dim objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap As IXMLDOMNamedNodeMap Dim sTempValue As String Dim msFPTAdviserID As Object 'temporary database Dim MyDb As Database Dim MyRs As Recordset Dim irec As Long Dim strTitleLink As String Set oDOMDocument = New MSXML2.DOMDocument40 oDOMDocument.async = False oDOMDocument.validateOnParse = False oDOMDocument.resolveExternals = False oDOMDocument.preserveWhiteSpace = True If Not oDOMDocument.Load(AdviserXML) Then MsgBox Err.number & Err.Description 'Call Err.Raise(ERR_UNABLE_TO_LOAD_ADVISER_XML, , ERRDESC_UNABLE_TO_LOAD_ADVISER_XML) Exit Sub End If Debug.Print "grabbed box" Set oAdviserDetailsNode = oDOMDocument.documentElement Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = oAdviserDetailsNode.Attributes 'msFPTAdviserID = objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap.getNamedItem("title").nodeValue Debug.Print "Set" Debug.Print "msFPT" Set oNodeList = oAdviserDetailsNode.selectNodes("//item/*") Set MyDb = CurrentDb Set MyRs = MyDb.OpenRecordset("RSSFeed") irec = 0 MyRs.AddNew For Each oLowestLevelNode In oNodeList sTempValue = oLowestLevelNode.Text ' Debug.Print oLowestLevelNode.nodeName & "-" & vbCrLf & oLowestLevelNode.Text Select Case oLowestLevelNode.nodeName Case "title" Debug.Print sTempValue MyRs!Title = sTempValue strTitleLink = sTempValue Case "PubDate" Debug.Print sTempValue MyRs!PubDate = sTempValue Case "description" Debug.Print sTempValue MyRs!fdescription = sTempValue Case "link" Debug.Print sTempValue 'MyRs!link = sTempValue 'need # format for clickable link MyRs!link = sTempValue & "#" & sTempValue & "#" End Select irec = irec + 1 If irec = 4 Then 'check if duplicate also check if " in string Debug.Print DLookup("ID", "RSSFeed", "Title=" & Chr(34) & strTitleLink & Chr(34)) If IsNull(DLookup("Title", "RSSFeed", "Title=" & Chr(34) & strTitleLink & Chr(34))) Then MyRs!feed = strFeed MyRs.Update End If MyRs.AddNew irec = 0 End If Next Set MyRs = Nothing Set MyDb = Nothing Set oDOMDocument = Nothing Set oAdviserDetailsNode = Nothing Set objXMLDOMNamedNodeMap = Nothing Exit Sub ErrorHandler: ' Call NewError.Raise(Err.Number, Err.Source, Err.Description, 'MODULE_NAME, ACTION_NAME, Erl) End Sub Stuart McLachlan wrote: >On 9 Oct 2004 at 17:49, Joe Hecht wrote: > > > >>What is RSS? >> >> >> >http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 10:56:36 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:56:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> References: <416831B5.4040503@rogers.com> <4168FF68.30597.8C9F3CB@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Additionally if you have the link to an RSS feed, Just open your "manage bookmarks" and add a new Live Bookmark. I do love it. On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:22:48 +1000, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > On 9 Oct 2004 at 14:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure whether it was you, but I recall somebody mentioning RSS > > support in Thunderbird. Or was it FireFox? How do I activate said support? > > In Firefox Ver 1.0PR, if the site provides RSS, a button marked RSS appears > in the bottom right hand corner of the browser(at the end of the status > bar) > Click on the button to add a "live bookmark" for the page's feeds. > > -- > Stuart > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From MPorter at acsalaska.com Mon Oct 11 12:22:20 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:22:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox issues Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E42@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Apparently this is the place for Firefox issues! I have an odd issue. I have three different Firefox implementations, but one of my implementations has odd 'Cntl Click' behavior. When I ' Click' a link to open it in a new tab, the new tab becomes active. My other implementations have the new tab go to the back. I would like my new tabs to all go to the back, is there a setting I can set or should I reinstall? Mark *********************************************************************************** This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 11 16:55:04 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:55:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox issues In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E42@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: <416B8DD8.12799.12BED4@lexacorp.com.pg> On 11 Oct 2004 at 9:22, Porter, Mark wrote: > Apparently this is the place for Firefox issues! > > I have an odd issue. I have three different Firefox implementations, > but one of my implementations has odd 'Cntl Click' behavior. > > When I ' Click' a link to open it in a new tab, the new tab > becomes active. My other implementations have the new tab go to the > back. > > I would like my new tabs to all go to the back, is there a setting I can > set or should I reinstall? > Check whether you have ticked: Tools - Options - Tab options - Miscellaneous - "Load new tabs behind the currently selected tab" -- Stuart From MPorter at acsalaska.com Mon Oct 11 18:09:41 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:09:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox issues Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E48@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Version 1.0 is a different selection, but you led me in the right direction. Thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox issues > > > On 11 Oct 2004 at 9:22, Porter, Mark wrote: > > > Apparently this is the place for Firefox issues! > > > > I have an odd issue. I have three different Firefox > implementations, > > but one of my implementations has odd 'Cntl Click' behavior. > > > > When I ' Click' a link to open it in a new tab, the new tab > > becomes active. My other implementations have the new tab go to the > > back. > > > > I would like my new tabs to all go to the back, is there a > setting I can > > set or should I reinstall? > > > Check whether you have ticked: > Tools - Options - Tab options - Miscellaneous - "Load new > tabs behind the > currently selected tab" > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. 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ACS From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Thu Oct 14 12:49:03 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:49:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E48@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: <0cd901c4b216$25c55310$0300a8c0@S856> I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as usual. this happens only on files) I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus have rebooted - still doing it I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything anybody have any idea where to start searching? oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show that problem, so it might not be the update. thanks for your help Lembit Soobik From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Oct 14 13:50:05 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:50:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer In-Reply-To: <0cd901c4b216$25c55310$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: You've not got a fancy new mouse with programmeable buttons that has somehow got set to close program when you right click have you? I had a similar thing once, caused me all sorts of headaches: every time I used the thumb button it'd jump to the next open page, very confusing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 14 October 2004 18:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as usual. this happens only on files) I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus have rebooted - still doing it I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything anybody have any idea where to start searching? oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show that problem, so it might not be the update. thanks for your help Lembit Soobik _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 14 17:00:37 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:00:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Net Op Message-ID: Anyone use Net Op for remote users? John B. From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Thu Oct 14 17:28:13 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:58:13 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204E5A9@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> That's what I would have said. Aprt from that maybe your explorer.exe file is corrupt? Perhaps try copying it from another machine (same OS / Updates etc.). Will probably have to boot into safe-mode to do this though.. You might also get some type of 'File Protection' warning dialog popup too. Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 4:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer You've not got a fancy new mouse with programmeable buttons that has somehow got set to close program when you right click have you? I had a similar thing once, caused me all sorts of headaches: every time I used the thumb button it'd jump to the next open page, very confusing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: 14 October 2004 18:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as usual. this happens only on files) I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus have rebooted - still doing it I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything anybody have any idea where to start searching? oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show that problem, so it might not be the update. thanks for your help Lembit Soobik _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 14 17:42:33 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:42:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E48@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> <0cd901c4b216$25c55310$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <416F00D9.900@shaw.ca> Here is freebie replacement for win explorer that doesn't get tangled up with long file names or illegal characters Maybe it will give some clues. Runs like the old Norton Commander. http://www.netez.com/2xExplorer/ Lembit Soobik wrote: >I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: >when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes >same happens when I mark the file and hit delete >(I can right-click a folder and get the menu as usual. this happens only on >files) > >I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update >and found no virus > >have rebooted - still doing it > >I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find >problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything > >anybody have any idea where to start searching? > >oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. >I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show that >problem, so it might not be the update. > >thanks for your help >Lembit Soobik > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 15 03:46:27 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:46:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Net Op In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1816299568.20041015104627@cactus.dk> Hi John Certainly. It's our first choice for demanding use. It features local print and encryption and nearly any imaginable connection type. And you can check out a setup for 30 days with the full-feature eval. version - very useful if you need a proven solution. For less demanding use like remote control of server setup or simple maintenance, we use RealVNC. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-15 00:00 > Anyone use Net Op for remote users? > John B. From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Fri Oct 15 04:58:52 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:58:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204E5A9@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <0d0001c4b29d$93c0c430$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Andrew and Jon, I will try to replace the explorer.exe sounds like that is the problem. will let you all know how it goes. and no, Jon, not a new fancy mouse. still the same all the time. Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haslett, Andrew" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:28 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > That's what I would have said. > > Aprt from that maybe your explorer.exe file is corrupt? Perhaps try copying > it from another machine (same OS / Updates etc.). Will probably have to > boot into safe-mode to do this though.. You might also get some type of > 'File Protection' warning dialog popup too. > > Cheers, > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] > Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 4:20 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > You've not got a fancy new mouse with programmeable buttons that has somehow > got set to close program when you right click have you? > > I had a similar thing once, caused me all sorts of headaches: every time I > used the thumb button it'd jump to the next open page, very confusing. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > Sent: 14 October 2004 18:49 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: > when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I > mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as > usual. this happens only on > files) > > I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus > > have rebooted - still doing it > > I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find > problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything > > anybody have any idea where to start searching? > > oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. > I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show > that problem, so it might not be the update. > > thanks for your help > Lembit Soobik > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete this email from your system. > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They > are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for > loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from > their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Fri Oct 15 04:59:50 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:59:50 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4E48@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com><0cd901c4b216$25c55310$0300a8c0@S856> <416F00D9.900@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <0d0601c4b29d$b64e2240$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Marty, will try that too. Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > Here is freebie replacement for win explorer that doesn't get tangled up > with long file names or illegal characters > Maybe it will give some clues. Runs like the old Norton Commander. > > http://www.netez.com/2xExplorer/ > > Lembit Soobik wrote: > > >I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: > >when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes > >same happens when I mark the file and hit delete > >(I can right-click a folder and get the menu as usual. this happens only on > >files) > > > >I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update > >and found no virus > > > >have rebooted - still doing it > > > >I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find > >problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything > > > >anybody have any idea where to start searching? > > > >oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. > >I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show that > >problem, so it might not be the update. > > > >thanks for your help > >Lembit Soobik > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Fri Oct 15 05:47:00 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:47:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204E5A9@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> <0d0001c4b29d$93c0c430$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <0d1401c4b2a4$4d48bdd0$0300a8c0@S856> hmmm, that didnt help. I have copied explorer.exe from another machine with same status. checked before: both versions are 6.0.2800.1106 used protected mode, commandline . copy worked, but its still the same. :( any other ideas? Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > thank you, Andrew and Jon, > I will try to replace the explorer.exe > sounds like that is the problem. > will let you all know how it goes. > > and no, Jon, not a new fancy mouse. still the same all the time. > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Haslett, Andrew" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:28 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > That's what I would have said. > > > > Aprt from that maybe your explorer.exe file is corrupt? Perhaps try copying > > it from another machine (same OS / Updates etc.). Will probably have to > > boot into safe-mode to do this though.. You might also get some type of > > 'File Protection' warning dialog popup too. > > > > Cheers, > > Andrew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] > > Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 4:20 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > You've not got a fancy new mouse with programmeable buttons that has somehow > > got set to close program when you right click have you? > > > > I had a similar thing once, caused me all sorts of headaches: every time I > > used the thumb button it'd jump to the next open page, very confusing. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > > Sent: 14 October 2004 18:49 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > > > I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: > > when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I > > mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as > > usual. this happens only on > > files) > > > > I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus > > > > have rebooted - still doing it > > > > I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find > > problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything > > > > anybody have any idea where to start searching? > > > > oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. > > I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show > > that problem, so it might not be the update. > > > > thanks for your help > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > > available at http://www.plus.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > > immediately and delete this email from your system. > > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They > > are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for > > loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from > > their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Fri Oct 15 07:27:59 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:27:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer References: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204E5A9@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au><0d0001c4b29d$93c0c430$0300a8c0@S856> <0d1401c4b2a4$4d48bdd0$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <0d1e01c4b2b2$683a23a0$0300a8c0@S856> well, didnt find the problem, so I reinstalled windows got some error messages, but it works will see whether I get any surprises when I download the updates thanks everybody Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > hmmm, that didnt help. > I have copied explorer.exe from another machine with same status. > checked before: both versions are 6.0.2800.1106 > used protected mode, commandline . copy worked, but its still the same. :( > > any other ideas? > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > thank you, Andrew and Jon, > > I will try to replace the explorer.exe > > sounds like that is the problem. > > will let you all know how it goes. > > > > and no, Jon, not a new fancy mouse. still the same all the time. > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Haslett, Andrew" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:28 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > > > > That's what I would have said. > > > > > > Aprt from that maybe your explorer.exe file is corrupt? Perhaps try copying > > > it from another machine (same OS / Updates etc.). Will probably have to > > > boot into safe-mode to do this though.. You might also get some type of > > > 'File Protection' warning dialog popup too. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Andrew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 4:20 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > > > You've not got a fancy new mouse with programmeable buttons that has somehow > > > got set to close program when you right click have you? > > > > > > I had a similar thing once, caused me all sorts of headaches: every time I > > > used the thumb button it'd jump to the next open page, very confusing. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik > > > Sent: 14 October 2004 18:49 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] right-click closes Win explorer > > > > > > > > > I have just got a very unusual thing on my WinXP PC: > > > when I right-click a file in explorer, explorer closes same happens when I > > > mark the file and hit delete (I can right-click a folder and get the menu as > > > usual. this happens only on > > > files) > > > > > > I have run AVG virus scanner with the latest update and found no virus > > > > > > have rebooted - still doing it > > > > > > I have downloaded a little utility (PC Mighty Max) which is supposed to find > > > problems in registry and many other places - it didnt find anything > > > > > > anybody have any idea where to start searching? > > > > > > oh, I did install a windows update, but I dont have SP2 installed yet. > > > I have also installed the update on a different machine and it doesnt show > > > that problem, so it might not be the update. > > > > > > thanks for your help > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more > > > available at http://www.plus.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > > > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > > > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > > > immediately and delete this email from your system. > > > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > > > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They > > > are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for > > > loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from > > > their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 15 09:17:43 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:17:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Net Op In-Reply-To: <1816299568.20041015104627@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Thanks for the response. I thought I had seen in the lists sometime ago that someone used it. Did your company do trials of various brands before buying NetOp? I am evaluating remote control software and would appreciate any input in regards to it capabilities versus the competition. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:46 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Net Op Hi John Certainly. It's our first choice for demanding use. It features local print and encryption and nearly any imaginable connection type. And you can check out a setup for 30 days with the full-feature eval. version - very useful if you need a proven solution. For less demanding use like remote control of server setup or simple maintenance, we use RealVNC. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-15 00:00 > Anyone use Net Op for remote users? > John B. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 15 09:29:06 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:29:06 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Net Op In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8126858770.20041015162906@cactus.dk> Hi John No, we just study the tests around which always put NetOp as the fastest tool - and as it is not very expensive and never has let us down, we have found no reason to investigate the competition. If you or your clients work in a corporation, note that it has extensive features to pass firewalls, proxies, etc. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-15 16:17 > Hi Gustav, > Thanks for the response. I thought I had seen in the lists sometime ago that > someone used it. > Did your company do trials of various brands before buying NetOp? > I am evaluating remote control software and would appreciate any input in > regards to it capabilities versus the competition. > John B. > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:46 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Net Op > Hi John > Certainly. It's our first choice for demanding use. It features local > print and encryption and nearly any imaginable connection type. And > you can check out a setup for 30 days with the full-feature eval. > version - very useful if you need a proven solution. > For less demanding use like remote control of server setup or simple > maintenance, we use RealVNC. > /gustav >> Date: 2004-10-15 00:00 >> Anyone use Net Op for remote users? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Oct 15 09:31:33 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:31:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video conferencing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c4b2c3$ae4dfd10$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I'm starting to research video conferencing for a client who has a virtual company with offices all over the US. He wants to connect them all to a central PC for business docs etc., but then to also be able to video conference between partners. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions for this stuff. Google is my next option. Thanks, John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Oct 15 09:59:08 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:59:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Video conferencing Message-ID: <20041015145905.0C81F24E90D@smtp.nildram.co.uk> If he doesn't spot this himself I'd suggest you 'talk' to Darren Dick. This sounds just up his street. (Hey Darren, a plug for you! How are you anyway?) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Video conferencing Date: 15/10/04 14:33 > > I'm starting to research video conferencing for a client who has a virtual > company with offices all over the US. He wants to connect them all to a > central PC for business docs etc., but then to also be able to video > conference between partners. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions > for this stuff. Google is my next option. > > Thanks, > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Oct 15 12:51:29 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:51:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Script Editor Message-ID: Anyone have a free recommendation for a utility that will take a .js file (that has zero line breaks) and reformat it back to "normal"? Mark From artful at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 10:51:43 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:51:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <001801c4b2c3$ae4dfd10$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <001801c4b2c3$ae4dfd10$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <4171438F.6040204@rogers.com> As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for > $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum of fuss; c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather than 5. In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac wants for the upgrade. Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". TIA, Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Oct 16 15:03:08 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:03:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <4171438F.6040204@rogers.com> Message-ID: I found a freebie called PDF Print Factory on Download.com a while back... it might still be there. It sets itself up as a printer, so you can "print" to it from any applications that support windows printing. It's available in NT or 9x varieties (The NT one works on 2k and XP as well). HTH Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 16 October 2004 16:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for > $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum of fuss; c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather than 5. In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac wants for the upgrade. Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From dwaters at usinternet.com Sat Oct 16 19:14:44 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:14:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <16643263.1097942687598.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <000201c4b3de$4e3d0530$de1811d8@danwaters> Arthur, This may be obvious, but you can do a) and b) just using Snapshot format. For c), you could send a single file in Snapshot format for each report, or create a report that contains all your information. Snapshot reproduces color logos flawlessly. I get a client's logo from their website, save it as a .bmp file, and link it to an image frame in the report. When sent as a Snapshot, it is perfect (or as good as the image on their site). Plus, a report in Snapshot is dramatically smaller in size than an equivalent .pdf, and opens more quickly because Acrobat doesn't need to open. PLUS! Snapshot is completely free for everyone. If you'd like to see the code I use to do this, let me know. Dan Waters ProMation Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for > $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum of fuss; c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather than 5. In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac wants for the upgrade. Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Oct 16 19:34:24 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:34:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <000201c4b3de$4e3d0530$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <000201c4b3e1$0d342070$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> The problem with snapshot is that it is not as ubiquitous as PDF, it has to be loaded on the machine and it won't just be found and downloaded like the PDF reader will. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution Arthur, This may be obvious, but you can do a) and b) just using Snapshot format. For c), you could send a single file in Snapshot format for each report, or create a report that contains all your information. Snapshot reproduces color logos flawlessly. I get a client's logo from their website, save it as a .bmp file, and link it to an image frame in the report. When sent as a Snapshot, it is perfect (or as good as the image on their site). Plus, a report in Snapshot is dramatically smaller in size than an equivalent .pdf, and opens more quickly because Acrobat doesn't need to open. PLUS! Snapshot is completely free for everyone. If you'd like to see the code I use to do this, let me know. Dan Waters ProMation Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for > $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum of fuss; c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather than 5. In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac wants for the upgrade. Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 17 11:43:28 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:43:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <4171438F.6040204@rogers.com> References: <001801c4b2c3$ae4dfd10$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <4171438F.6040204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <6032348975.20041017184328@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Any fool can buy Distiller but many clients find it pretty expensive. We use the German FreePDF which is absolutely free: http://freepdfxp.de/fpxp.htm It has the advantage of using the Apple PS driver as well as Ghostscript which ensures a high level of compatibility. Some time ago we did some testing with the alternatives and found all sort of troubles from using wrong fonts, margin offsets, wrong paper format, and other things. Some issues are only present for complicated docs. Be sure to download the "Administration Manual" as well as the resource kit (some VBA code examples) and the Multidocument Printer option. There is no API but you can control it by registry settings and command line parameters. Installation is not that difficult. Batch files are included for silent install on user's station as well as Terminal Server. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-16 17:51 > As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF > and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac > Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour > when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems > unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was > dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for >> $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. > So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: > a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; > b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified > recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum > of fuss; > c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. > Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but > without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather > than 5. > In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an > invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these > documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. > The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. > failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. > To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos > etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is > not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there > is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or > cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac > wants for the upgrade. > Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces > of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything > more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Oct 17 13:36:50 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:36:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution In-Reply-To: <31400415.1097973494429.JavaMail.root@sniper11.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <000001c4b478$443621d0$de1811d8@danwaters> For my client's programs, when an email is sent outside the company with a report in Snapshot format, I include a link to the MS site where Snapshot can be downloaded from in the body of the email, along with an explanation of what the link is for, and that it's a one-time download. My client has used this for close to a year with no problems with their customers. Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution The problem with snapshot is that it is not as ubiquitous as PDF, it has to be loaded on the machine and it won't just be found and downloaded like the PDF reader will. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution Arthur, This may be obvious, but you can do a) and b) just using Snapshot format. For c), you could send a single file in Snapshot format for each report, or create a report that contains all your information. Snapshot reproduces color logos flawlessly. I get a client's logo from their website, save it as a .bmp file, and link it to an image frame in the report. When sent as a Snapshot, it is perfect (or as good as the image on their site). Plus, a report in Snapshot is dramatically smaller in size than an equivalent .pdf, and opens more quickly because Acrobat doesn't need to open. PLUS! Snapshot is completely free for everyone. If you'd like to see the code I use to do this, let me know. Dan Waters ProMation Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Alternate PDF writing solution As some of you may know from previous messages, when the subject of PDF and Email came up, I recommended PDFMail, a class library from Attac Consulting. Recently I encountered significantly different behaviour when using Acrobat 6 as opposed to 5; which behaviour the client deems unacceptable. So I inquired about the costs of upgrading and was dismayed to learn that the Pro package I had bought for $199 now goes for > $500, and the upgrade is more than I paid in the first place. So now I'm looking for an alternative. At a minimum, it must: a) support creation of a PDF from any given Access report; b) support, with a minimum of fuss, emaling said PDF to any specified recipient, and ideally setting up mail subject and body with a minimum of fuss; c) support the merging or amalgamation of several reports into a single PDF. Attac's PDFMail does all this, and works flawlessly with Acrobat 5, but without the upgrade there are issues if Acrobat 6 is installed rather than 5. In case it helps, in the app of concern I print several documents -- an invoice, a hotel confirmation, a ticket to a party, etc. All these documents are based on the invoice selected when you hit PrintAndEmail. The reason we went PDF in the first place is that conversion to RTF etc. failed to reproduce the documents exactly as they were. To phrase this last part in another way, PDF reproduces the color logos etc., which are a big part of the sizzle, flawlessly. But PDF itself is not a mandatory part of the spec -- flawless reproduction IS. If there is another way to go, I'm interested, the more so if this way is free or cheap. The client is extremely reluctant to spring the $500 + that Attac wants for the upgrade. Any alternatives come to mind? I don't want to have to install 5 pieces of software on each client machine, nor cause the users to do anything more than click on one button. After that everything should simply "happen". TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Mon Oct 18 06:39:05 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:39:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] HTTP Client to MS VSS Server? Message-ID: <004f01c4b507$1754abc0$0201a8c0@PARIS> Hi All, Have anybody seen/used HTTP Client to MS VSS Server software? TIA for any info, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Oct 18 07:24:57 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:24:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Script Editor (x-posted) Message-ID: Any suggestions for the problem listed below? TIA, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:51 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Script Editor Anyone have a free recommendation for a utility that will take a .js file (that has zero line breaks) and reformat it back to "normal"? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joconnell at indy.rr.com Tue Oct 19 08:44:36 2004 From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:44:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <021201c4b5e1$d9f1fb80$6701a8c0@joe> I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 08:59:12 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:59:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <021201c4b5e1$d9f1fb80$6701a8c0@joe> Message-ID: <000901c4b5e3$d3249450$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Check the Dell site for their specials as well. When they are having specials you can sometimes get a good cheap computer. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 19 09:06:30 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:06:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <021201c4b5e1$d9f1fb80$6701a8c0@joe> Message-ID: eMachine had gotten very good reviews on its support the last year or so of its existance. It has recently been bought by Gateway so I have no idea what impact that has caused. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Oct 19 09:22:38 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:22:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B26B@ALCUXB> Don't touch Celeron with a bargepole... A Celeron is basically a Pentium 3 or 4 with no onboard memory, this makes them VERY slow compared to the appropriate Pentium equivalent. No amount of memory on the motherboard will make up for this, and it'll feel sluggish a long time before you get round to wanting to replace it. The same goes for the 533 fsb... I know not everyone can afford the latest fastest things, but you really do notice the difference between 800 and 533. I'd also recommend a bare minimum of 512mb RAM, if not 1gb. Also, on these (I hesitate to use the word cheaper, but I can't think of a good alternative, less costlier maybe) pc's, they tend not to use the fastest hard drives etc... I have a HP thing on my desk here, with a 40gb Maxtor drive in it. I put in an extra 80gb drive, that's maybe 2 years old, and I've since installed HD Tune, and the two year old drive beats the pants off the brand new one for performance and features. Spend a little more than the bottom of the range and you'll notice the difference, or get someone who knows that they're doing to build it for you is my advice. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 14:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 09:35:53 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:35:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4b5e8$f36c2ed0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I have the EMachines M6805 laptop and love it. Of course nobody makes their own laptops. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation eMachine had gotten very good reviews on its support the last year or so of its existance. It has recently been bought by Gateway so I have no idea what impact that has caused. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Oct 19 09:38:13 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:38:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309EA725@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB918@ADGSERVER> Joseph, As a developer, I would suggest that you stick with a P4 class machine (or one of the upper end AMDs if you lean that way). I do not know where Emachines now stand, but IIRC, they were not that good when they came out. I personally would recommend one of the Dell's if you want name brand or either build yourself a machine or have a trusted local shop build you one. I would have at least 512MB RAM, preferably 1GB. Win XP really runs better with 512 compared to 256. Especially if you are developing in MS Visual studio (Dotnet or 6). I have 1GB in my system at home and after a development session, I see the amount of RAM used over 512MB many times. Note also that the RAM in that machine is slower than the "standard" RAM out now. It uses pc2700, many of the newer machines/mobos are using pc3200 or higher and also utilize dual channel access to the RAM. All of which makes for a speedier system. A 60GB drive should be ok, Although larger is always better. You can always add another one later. I guess all of the above is moot if you just don't have the $$$ for the above. But you can get some good prices on a Dell. As an example, the following Dell is $709 with free shipping (after MIR) Dell Dimension 3000 Series: IntelR PentiumR 4 Processor w/ HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB) Operating System: MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Home Edition Shipping Rebates: Save $99 on shipping with mail-in rebate. Price shown before rebate. Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr At-Home Service, and 1Yr Technical Support Memory: SAVE $50! 1GB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive CD or DVD Drive: Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + FREE UPGRADE! 48x CD-RW Drive Floppy Drives and Additional Storage Devices: 3.5 in Floppy Drive Productivity Software: WordPerfectR, Powerful Word Processing Security Software: No Security Subscription Monitors: 17 in (16 in viewable,.27dp) E773c CRT Monitor Keyboard and Mouse Bundles: Dell Quietkey Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll Mouse Sound Card: Integrated Audio Speakers: No Speaker Option Video Card: Integrated IntelR Extreme Graphics 2 Mouse: Mouse included with Keyboard purchase Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet Modem: 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem Internet Access Services: 6 Months of America Online Membership Included Dell Media Experience: Dell Media ExperienceT Digital Music: Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning software Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio, Paint Shop Pro Trial, Photo Album Starter Edition Document Management: AdobeR AcrobatR Reader 6.0 To see/modify this configuration, use E-Value Code: 6V592 - D30SO. You could shave some off of this by going less RAM, smaller HD, etc. Hope this helps, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 10:19:13 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:19:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B26B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb in that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you buy an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old machine in your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find motherboards with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps forever. I just bought a state-of-the-art motherboard for $75 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-123-219&depa=0 an AMD Athlon64 2800 for $140 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-452&depa=0 512mb ram for about $70 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-219&depa=0 This MB required a video card so I used a low end ATI 9000 which ran $40. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-386&depa=0 And finally a very nice case (you can get them cheaper but this one will last) for $70 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-122&depa=0 $400, your own drives and monitor and a little work gets you a STATE-OF-THE-ART system (well, except for the video which still is better than the eMachines), particularly if you are already planning on installing your own OS. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Don't touch Celeron with a bargepole... A Celeron is basically a Pentium 3 or 4 with no onboard memory, this makes them VERY slow compared to the appropriate Pentium equivalent. No amount of memory on the motherboard will make up for this, and it'll feel sluggish a long time before you get round to wanting to replace it. The same goes for the 533 fsb... I know not everyone can afford the latest fastest things, but you really do notice the difference between 800 and 533. I'd also recommend a bare minimum of 512mb RAM, if not 1gb. Also, on these (I hesitate to use the word cheaper, but I can't think of a good alternative, less costlier maybe) pc's, they tend not to use the fastest hard drives etc... I have a HP thing on my desk here, with a 40gb Maxtor drive in it. I put in an extra 80gb drive, that's maybe 2 years old, and I've since installed HD Tune, and the two year old drive beats the pants off the brand new one for performance and features. Spend a little more than the bottom of the range and you'll notice the difference, or get someone who knows that they're doing to build it for you is my advice. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 14:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 19 10:33:45 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB918@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: They were awful when they started cheap, junk quality and bad support. They made a major turn around to cheap, OK quality with very good support. Then they were bought. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid I do not know where Emachines now stand, but IIRC, they were not that good when they came out. From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 10:52:29 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:52:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B26B@ALCUXB> <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: WOOT!, 800mhz FSB wow... now that's speedy :D I love my EpoX board. It has really been reliable. now to save some money for AMD64, which I am planning on buying... I think by the time i can save for one, I may be able to get the ones for dual core or who knows quad core support :D On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:19:13 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb in > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you buy > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old machine in > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find motherboards > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps forever. > > I just bought a state-of-the-art motherboard for $75 > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-123-219&depa=0 > > an AMD Athlon64 2800 for $140 > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-452&depa=0 > > 512mb ram for about $70 > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-219&depa=0 > > This MB required a video card so I used a low end ATI 9000 which ran $40. > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-386&depa=0 > > And finally a very nice case (you can get them cheaper but this one will > last) for $70 > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-122&depa=0 > > $400, your own drives and monitor and a little work gets you a > STATE-OF-THE-ART system (well, except for the video which still is better > than the eMachines), particularly if you are already planning on installing > your own OS. > > > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:23 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Don't touch Celeron with a bargepole... A Celeron is basically a Pentium 3 > or 4 with no onboard memory, this makes them VERY slow compared to the > appropriate Pentium equivalent. No amount of memory on the motherboard will > make up for this, and it'll feel sluggish a long time before you get round > to wanting to replace it. The same goes for the 533 fsb... I know not > everyone can afford the latest fastest things, but you really do notice the > difference between 800 and 533. I'd also recommend a bare minimum of 512mb > RAM, if not 1gb. Also, on these (I hesitate to use the word cheaper, but I > can't think of a good alternative, less costlier maybe) pc's, they tend not > to use the fastest hard drives etc... I have a HP thing on my desk here, > with a 40gb Maxtor drive in it. I put in an extra 80gb drive, that's maybe 2 > years old, and I've since installed HD Tune, and the two year old drive > beats the pants off the brand new one for performance and features. > > Spend a little more than the bottom of the range and you'll notice the > difference, or get someone who knows that they're doing to build it for you > is my advice. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] > Sent: 19 October 2004 14:45 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. > > My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad > so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of > replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. > > Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: > Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) > 256MB DDR PC2700 memory > 60 GB hard drive > DVD-ROM/CD-RW > 8-in-1 memory card reader > 17" flat screen monitor > > For $100 the system can be upgraded to include > Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) > 512 MB memory > DVD-ROM and CD-RW > > >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 > cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. > > Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP > Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. > > Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between > Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I > missing something? > > The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows > 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? > Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? > > All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. > > Joe O'Connell > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 19 10:54:57 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:54:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <6831551658.20041019175457@cactus.dk> Hi Joe Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against this - except if you think it is great fun. As a serious programmer you have better things to do than buying ugly bluish lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for some reason do not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM IntelliStation or HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that this - with its proven (on-site) service - will not let you down for the next three years. Pro tools also signal to the clients that you are serious and can be trusted. Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you waste a machine and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and then you could just have bought a new machine anyway. Only replace defect parts. Buy a new harddrive for the old machine. It will still be useful as a second machine for testing - or give it to your neighbour. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > Building is always a good idea. .. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Oct 19 11:05:51 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:05:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: Others have made fine suggestions. If you are considering building it yourself, may I suggest the following... It is a combination of hardware that should give you decent performance at a reasonable price, plus put you in a position of being able to upgrade the processor in the future. Prices were taken from Pricewatch. You can probably expect to add a certain percentage to account for shipping and choosing alternate dealers. Out of the following, I'd probably suggest upgrading the motherboard first. $100 -AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton 2.167 GHz 512K Cache 400FSB OEM $ 60 -80.0GB EIDE HDD Western Digital 7,200RPM 8MB Cache $115 -1GB PC3200 DDR Memory 400MHz $ 45 -Biostar/Amptron M7NCD, NVIDIA nForce2, Audio, Video, LAN (This is a decent chipset, but you can get better Motherboards) $ 35 -ATX Mid Tower Case + 400W P4/AMD PW. 11bay. Fit all Micro and ATX MB. Extra Mid Case Front USB2.0 and audio. thermal disp. and lights (selectable). Aluminum clr. Screwless for cards. ____ $355 -Grand Total Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Oct 19 11:11:22 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:11:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B278@ALCUXB> Good advice Mark, but I've found that if you upgrade the motherboard, you nearly always have to upgrade the processor and RAM at the same time, due to speed or compatibility issues (it it doesn't fit the slots or something)... I'd take it on the chin and do it all at once if possible, then you only have to open it up once, and won't be putting it off while you do something else, then something else comes along... you know how it is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 17:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Others have made fine suggestions. If you are considering building it yourself, may I suggest the following... It is a combination of hardware that should give you decent performance at a reasonable price, plus put you in a position of being able to upgrade the processor in the future. Prices were taken from Pricewatch. You can probably expect to add a certain percentage to account for shipping and choosing alternate dealers. Out of the following, I'd probably suggest upgrading the motherboard first. $100 -AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton 2.167 GHz 512K Cache 400FSB OEM $ 60 -80.0GB EIDE HDD Western Digital 7,200RPM 8MB Cache $115 -1GB PC3200 DDR Memory 400MHz $ 45 -Biostar/Amptron M7NCD, NVIDIA nForce2, Audio, Video, LAN (This is a decent chipset, but you can get better Motherboards) $ 35 -ATX Mid Tower Case + 400W P4/AMD PW. 11bay. Fit all Micro and ATX MB. Extra Mid Case Front USB2.0 and audio. thermal disp. and lights (selectable). Aluminum clr. Screwless for cards. ____ $355 -Grand Total Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Oct 19 11:30:06 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:30:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: "Leave that to the gamers." Hey...I resemble that remark. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Hi Joe Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against this - except if you think it is great fun. As a serious programmer you have better things to do than buying ugly bluish lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for some reason do not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM IntelliStation or HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that this - with its proven (on-site) service - will not let you down for the next three years. Pro tools also signal to the clients that you are serious and can be trusted. Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you waste a machine and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and then you could just have bought a new machine anyway. Only replace defect parts. Buy a new harddrive for the old machine. It will still be useful as a second machine for testing - or give it to your neighbour. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > Building is always a good idea. .. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 12:03:59 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:03:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <6831551658.20041019175457@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <000301c4b5fd$a02a8130$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! ;-) It's really easy to get cheap prebuilt systems, but high performing, cheap prebuilt systems are another matter. In fact Dell and the others get you in and browsing with the cheap machines, then seriously jack up the price when you start upgrading the cheap components to better performing ones. Joe was discussing buying an Emachines which is a fairly strong indication that he is not in your (apparent) income bracket. And an Emachines is not going to impress many clients unless they happen to be impressed by frugality. And the case is NOT ugly. 8-( For those of us not so wealthy, building systems is DEAD easy. In the US the parts are extremely cheap, and you can put together machines that you can't touch for twice the price the price. I replaced my wife's 1ghz amd with 256 of ram (which I built 3 years ago). I had to replace the motherboard, processor, ram and video card. I used the rest of the parts (disks, cd, floppy, monitor, mouse and keyboard and chassis). It took me about an hour, plus the time to load the software. The price was ~ $300 to go from low functioning to SERIOUSLY fast. Gigabit LAN NIC, smoking performance, plenty of memory, tons of USB ports, etc. Do that with your IBM Gustav. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Hi Joe Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against this - except if you think it is great fun. As a serious programmer you have better things to do than buying ugly bluish lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for some reason do not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM IntelliStation or HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that this - with its proven (on-site) service - will not let you down for the next three years. Pro tools also signal to the clients that you are serious and can be trusted. Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you waste a machine and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and then you could just have bought a new machine anyway. Only replace defect parts. Buy a new harddrive for the old machine. It will still be useful as a second machine for testing - or give it to your neighbour. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > Building is always a good idea. .. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Oct 19 12:15:02 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:15:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: Jon, Sorry for the confusion...what I should have made clearer is that out of the components that "I" suggested, I would probably spend a little more money and get a better motherboard. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Good advice Mark, but I've found that if you upgrade the motherboard, you nearly always have to upgrade the processor and RAM at the same time, due to speed or compatibility issues (it it doesn't fit the slots or something)... I'd take it on the chin and do it all at once if possible, then you only have to open it up once, and won't be putting it off while you do something else, then something else comes along... you know how it is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 17:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Others have made fine suggestions. If you are considering building it yourself, may I suggest the following... It is a combination of hardware that should give you decent performance at a reasonable price, plus put you in a position of being able to upgrade the processor in the future. Prices were taken from Pricewatch. You can probably expect to add a certain percentage to account for shipping and choosing alternate dealers. Out of the following, I'd probably suggest upgrading the motherboard first. $100 -AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton 2.167 GHz 512K Cache 400FSB OEM $ 60 -80.0GB EIDE HDD Western Digital 7,200RPM 8MB Cache $115 -1GB PC3200 DDR Memory 400MHz $ 45 -Biostar/Amptron M7NCD, NVIDIA nForce2, Audio, Video, LAN (This is a decent chipset, but you can get better Motherboards) $ 35 -ATX Mid Tower Case + 400W P4/AMD PW. 11bay. Fit all Micro and ATX MB. Extra Mid Case Front USB2.0 and audio. thermal disp. and lights (selectable). Aluminum clr. Screwless for cards. ____ $355 -Grand Total Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. Joe O'Connell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 12:20:10 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:20:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B278@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000401c4b5ff$e72c8900$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Additionally seriously consider moving up to the AMD Athlon64. The 64 bit processors (AMD or Intel) have the No Execute flag which completely disables all of the buffer under/overrun viruses (using XP SP2). The 2800 MHz processor is about $140 vs. about $80 for the similar Athlon XPs but the MB is no more expensive. Additionally look at the NVIDIA nforce3 250GB (make sure it is the GB) chipset. This is currently the best out there and again is no more expensive than anything else, but provides a built-in gbit nic and a hardware firewall right in the chipset (plus SATA controllers n stuff). The NIC and disk interfaces come in directly to the chipset as opposed to using the PCI interface as all the other chipsets do. This allows very high speed network traffic and disk IO without saturating the PCI bus. A system like this should last a few years. Of course if you do happen to be rolling in dough, just go buy an IBM. And a BMW come to think of it. ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Good advice Mark, but I've found that if you upgrade the motherboard, you nearly always have to upgrade the processor and RAM at the same time, due to speed or compatibility issues (it it doesn't fit the slots or something)... I'd take it on the chin and do it all at once if possible, then you only have to open it up once, and won't be putting it off while you do something else, then something else comes along... you know how it is. Jon From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 19 13:37:39 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:37:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <000301c4b5fd$a02a8130$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000301c4b5fd$a02a8130$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <15941313756.20041019203739@cactus.dk> Hi John > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! Not really. But my first IntelliStation lived for 5.5 years without a glitch. You get what you pay for. > Do that with your IBM Gustav. Well, I wouldn't, as that would leave me with one not-up-to-the-mark machine and some garbage, while buying a new will leave me with one up-to-the-mark machine and a good old machine useful for something else like a spare, a gift or a test server for an SQL engine or a mail server or a web server or a Novell or Linux file/print server. I'm absolutely convinced that upgrading machines with anything else than disk and ram or some common accessories won't pay off as it will lead you into a never ending upgrade path which simply doesn't pay off in the long run. Also, buying a new machine enables you to have the old machine running while you configure the new; and when done, you still have the old as a spare for some weeks should any surprise show up with the new. /gustav From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 19 13:43:43 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <6831551658.20041019175457@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Dittos. Build one if you enjoy that kind of thing otherwise buy a quality workstation. My main workstation is a W4000 which I refer to as my "screaming meemy" Cost a bit more than the average stock of the day but it still holds it own against many of the PCs I see come through here. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Hi Joe Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against this - except if you think it is great fun. As a serious programmer you have better things to do than buying ugly bluish lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for some reason do not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM IntelliStation or HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that this - with its proven (on-site) service - will not let you down for the next three years. Pro tools also signal to the clients that you are serious and can be trusted. Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you waste a machine and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and then you could just have bought a new machine anyway. Only replace defect parts. Buy a new harddrive for the old machine. It will still be useful as a second machine for testing - or give it to your neighbour. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > Building is always a good idea. .. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Porter at acsalaska.com Tue Oct 19 13:02:45 2004 From: Mark.Porter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:02:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17480A3D@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> I also purchase/build my own stuff, very economical. However, I rarely have time to build anymore (I'd rather be kayaking). I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for building/fixing PC's. I give them the parts and they do a great job, saving me time and sometimes a headache. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:04 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! > > ;-) > > It's really easy to get cheap prebuilt systems, but high > performing, cheap > prebuilt systems are another matter. In fact Dell and the > others get you in > and browsing with the cheap machines, then seriously jack up > the price when > you start upgrading the cheap components to better performing ones. > > Joe was discussing buying an Emachines which is a fairly > strong indication > that he is not in your (apparent) income bracket. And an > Emachines is not > going to impress many clients unless they happen to be impressed by > frugality. > > And the case is NOT ugly. 8-( > > For those of us not so wealthy, building systems is DEAD > easy. In the US > the parts are extremely cheap, and you can put together > machines that you > can't touch for twice the price the price. I replaced my > wife's 1ghz amd > with 256 of ram (which I built 3 years ago). I had to replace the > motherboard, processor, ram and video card. I used the rest > of the parts > (disks, cd, floppy, monitor, mouse and keyboard and chassis). > It took me > about an hour, plus the time to load the software. The price > was ~ $300 to > go from low functioning to SERIOUSLY fast. Gigabit LAN NIC, smoking > performance, plenty of memory, tons of USB ports, etc. > > Do that with your IBM Gustav. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > Hi Joe > > Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against > this - except > if you think it is great fun. > > As a serious programmer you have better things to do than > buying ugly bluish > lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for > some reason do > not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. > > Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM > IntelliStation or > HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that this - > with its proven > (on-site) service - will not let you down for the next three > years. Pro > tools also signal to the clients that you are serious and can > be trusted. > > Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you > waste a machine > and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and > then you could > just have bought a new machine anyway. Only replace defect > parts. Buy a new > harddrive for the old machine. It will still be useful as a > second machine > for testing - or give it to your neighbour. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > > > Building is always a good idea. .. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > *********************************************************************************** This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 14:21:30 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:21:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <15941313756.20041019203739@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <000001c4b610$d9929210$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Gustav, I have purchased exactly one machine in my whole life, a zeos 386-20 back in 1988. Since that time I have always either upgraded or built from scratch. I have experience paying too much money for not enough machine. I also have experience building much more powerful machines than I can afford to buy from the IBMs of this world. It sounds like you don't have experience on both sides of that fence. Building certainly isn't for everyone, and from talking with my friends in Europe, building isn't as cost effective over there anyway. But in the US it can be a great way to save thousands of dollars. I do not build systems for clients, I send them to Dell or someplace similar, but that doesn't mean I have to do that. Contrary to popular belief, building a system, even from scratch is NOT a tough job. Of course I spend time researching what I want, processors, chipsets, motherboards, video cards etc. but I find that satisfying. I read reviews on all the pieces and I carefully select those vendors that I have high confidence in. OTOH, don't you do the same when you go to buy a prebuilt system? It is no doubt a little scary to spend $600 on a bunch of parts, that first time you do it. Opening the boxes, wondering if it is going to work when it is put together. But the actual building is simply not difficult. I have done this since 1990 (and even back in the late 70s and early 80s when I actually BUILT (from scratch, soldering iron in hand) the pieces and parts). In the latest round of updates, I built from scratch or upgraded 3 machines and out of all the parts I purchased, one DIMM memory was bad and had to be sent back. I can't remember ever RMAing a part since I moved back to the US from Mexico other than that one. This stuff is so simple that young teenagers do it. In this case I would say YOU get what you pay for. I get MORE than I pay for, which is exactly the reason I do it and I highly recommend doing this. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Hi John > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! Not really. But my first IntelliStation lived for 5.5 years without a glitch. You get what you pay for. > Do that with your IBM Gustav. Well, I wouldn't, as that would leave me with one not-up-to-the-mark machine and some garbage, while buying a new will leave me with one up-to-the-mark machine and a good old machine useful for something else like a spare, a gift or a test server for an SQL engine or a mail server or a web server or a Novell or Linux file/print server. I'm absolutely convinced that upgrading machines with anything else than disk and ram or some common accessories won't pay off as it will lead you into a never ending upgrade path which simply doesn't pay off in the long run. Also, buying a new machine enables you to have the old machine running while you configure the new; and when done, you still have the old as a spare for some weeks should any surprise show up with the new. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 14:24:44 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:24:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <6831551658.20041019175457@cactus.dk> Message-ID: I'll chime in w/ my 2 cents. I do agree w/ JC in that building your own pc will yield far better results than that of a pre-built system from any of the big guys. And again he's not saying that you gotta slap togheter whatever you find first over at compUSA or bestbuys. No. You do have to do some research, after all you *should* be aware of your hardware. Building my own system, 2years running, I have a PC that I do not have to shut off, I double it as an FTP server so I can send and received packages from it. IBM makes fine machines, but you'll pay more and not come close to what you can put together yourself. On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:43:43 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Dittos. > > Build one if you enjoy that kind of thing otherwise buy a quality > workstation. > > My main workstation is a W4000 which I refer to as my "screaming meemy" Cost > a bit more than the average stock of the day but it still holds it own > against many of the PCs I see come through here. > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Hi Joe > > Well, not just to act as Mr. Opposite, I would advise against this - > except if you think it is great fun. > > As a serious programmer you have better things to do than buying ugly > bluish lighted cases of doubtful quality, mounting boards that for > some reason do not exactly fit. Leave that to the gamers. > > Instead, go and get some relief. Buy a workstation - IBM > IntelliStation or HP xw4200 - and turn into happy mode, confident that > this - with its proven (on-site) service - will not let you down for > the next three years. Pro tools also signal to the clients that you > are serious and can be trusted. > > Upgrading the old machine is even worse. Never do that - you waste a > machine and don't get a new except if you replace everything - and > then you could just have bought a new machine anyway. > Only replace defect parts. Buy a new harddrive for the old machine. It > will still be useful as a second machine for testing - or give it to > your neighbour. > > /gustav > > > Date: 2004-10-19 17:19 > > > Building is always a good idea. .. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 14:55:58 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:55:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D17480A3D@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Message-ID: <000101c4b615$a70a3910$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> >I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for building/fixing PC's. That's a steal and well worth doing. I definitely understand the "no time to do it", on the other hand it just keeps getting simpler and simpler, it really does. With all the plug and play (less and less pray), installing the hardware is just getting down to nothing. Plus the new motherboards have everything built in to the MB itself. I kid you not, the new machines I built have exactly ONE card, that being the video card. All the disks, sound, USB, etc is all just right on the motherboard. You pop in the CD with the drivers and load it up and you are done. Why do you think the systems from Dell are so cheap? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I also purchase/build my own stuff, very economical. However, I rarely have time to build anymore (I'd rather be kayaking). I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for building/fixing PC's. I give them the parts and they do a great job, saving me time and sometimes a headache. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > John W. Colby > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:04 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! > > ;-) > > It's really easy to get cheap prebuilt systems, but high > performing, cheap > prebuilt systems are another matter. In fact Dell and the > others get you in > and browsing with the cheap machines, then seriously jack up > the price when > you start upgrading the cheap components to better performing ones. > > Joe was discussing buying an Emachines which is a fairly > strong indication > that he is not in your (apparent) income bracket. And an > Emachines is not > going to impress many clients unless they happen to be impressed by > frugality. > > And the case is NOT ugly. 8-( > > For those of us not so wealthy, building systems is DEAD > easy. In the US > the parts are extremely cheap, and you can put together > machines that you > can't touch for twice the price the price. I replaced my > wife's 1ghz amd > with 256 of ram (which I built 3 years ago). I had to replace the > motherboard, processor, ram and video card. I used the rest > of the parts > (disks, cd, floppy, monitor, mouse and keyboard and chassis). > It took me > about an hour, plus the time to load the software. The price > was ~ $300 to > go from low functioning to SERIOUSLY fast. Gigabit LAN NIC, smoking > performance, plenty of memory, tons of USB ports, etc. > > Do that with your IBM Gustav. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Oct 19 15:40:17 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:40:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah yeah, definitely. :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: 19 October 2004 18:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Jon, Sorry for the confusion...what I should have made clearer is that out of the components that "I" suggested, I would probably spend a little more money and get a better motherboard. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Good advice Mark, but I've found that if you upgrade the motherboard, you nearly always have to upgrade the processor and RAM at the same time, due to speed or compatibility issues (it it doesn't fit the slots or something)... I'd take it on the chin and do it all at once if possible, then you only have to open it up once, and won't be putting it off while you do something else, then something else comes along... you know how it is. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 17:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Others have made fine suggestions. If you are considering building it yourself, may I suggest the following... It is a combination of hardware that should give you decent performance at a reasonable price, plus put you in a position of being able to upgrade the processor in the future. Prices were taken from Pricewatch. You can probably expect to add a certain percentage to account for shipping and choosing alternate dealers. Out of the following, I'd probably suggest upgrading the motherboard first. $100 -AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton 2.167 GHz 512K Cache 400FSB OEM $ 60 -80.0GB EIDE HDD Western Digital 7,200RPM 8MB Cache $115 -1GB PC3200 DDR Memory 400MHz $ 45 -Biostar/Amptron M7NCD, NVIDIA nForce2, Audio, Video, LAN (This is a decent chipset, but you can get better Motherboards) $ 35 -ATX Mid Tower Case + 400W P4/AMD PW. 11bay. Fit all Micro and ATX MB. Extra Mid Case Front USB2.0 and audio. thermal disp. and lights (selectable). Aluminum clr. Screwless for cards. ____ $355 -Grand Total Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) 256MB DDR PC2700 memory 60 GB hard drive DVD-ROM/CD-RW 8-in-1 memory card reader 17" flat screen monitor For $100 the system can be upgraded to include Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) 512 MB memory DVD-ROM and CD-RW >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I missing something? The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows 2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 19 18:12:53 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:12:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <20041019231253.RAN632.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention today is using SATA 10,000 RPM drives. The WD 10,000 RPM drive that I installed in a system really seemed to make a difference and they aren't that expensive, and most new main boards already have a SATA controller on board. Computers have been I/O bound since time immemorial. > > From: "John W. Colby" > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue PM 03:55:58 EDT > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > >I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for building/fixing > PC's. > > That's a steal and well worth doing. I definitely understand the "no time > to do it", on the other hand it just keeps getting simpler and simpler, it > really does. With all the plug and play (less and less pray), installing > the hardware is just getting down to nothing. Plus the new motherboards > have everything built in to the MB itself. I kid you not, the new machines > I built have exactly ONE card, that being the video card. All the disks, > sound, USB, etc is all just right on the motherboard. You pop in the CD > with the drivers and load it up and you are done. Why do you think the > systems from Dell are so cheap? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, Mark > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I also purchase/build my own stuff, very economical. > > However, I rarely have time to build anymore (I'd rather be kayaking). I > found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for building/fixing PC's. > I give them the parts and they do a great job, saving me time and sometimes > a headache. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > > John W. Colby > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:04 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! > > > > ;-) > > > > It's really easy to get cheap prebuilt systems, but high > > performing, cheap > > prebuilt systems are another matter. In fact Dell and the > > others get you in > > and browsing with the cheap machines, then seriously jack up > > the price when > > you start upgrading the cheap components to better performing ones. > > > > Joe was discussing buying an Emachines which is a fairly > > strong indication > > that he is not in your (apparent) income bracket. And an > > Emachines is not > > going to impress many clients unless they happen to be impressed by > > frugality. > > > > And the case is NOT ugly. 8-( > > > > For those of us not so wealthy, building systems is DEAD > > easy. In the US > > the parts are extremely cheap, and you can put together > > machines that you > > can't touch for twice the price the price. I replaced my > > wife's 1ghz amd > > with 256 of ram (which I built 3 years ago). I had to replace the > > motherboard, processor, ram and video card. I used the rest > > of the parts > > (disks, cd, floppy, monitor, mouse and keyboard and chassis). > > It took me > > about an hour, plus the time to load the software. The price > > was ~ $300 to > > go from low functioning to SERIOUSLY fast. Gigabit LAN NIC, smoking > > performance, plenty of memory, tons of USB ports, etc. > > > > Do that with your IBM Gustav. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From joconnell at indy.rr.com Tue Oct 19 18:12:24 2004 From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:12:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <005201c4b631$2fe7f540$6701a8c0@joe> Many thanks to all who responded. My email service (Road Runner) went down after I sent my request this morning. It has just come back so I am just now reading through all of the suggestions. Building a computer would definitely be the absolute cheapest way to go for most people, but I am so inept when it comes to hardware that I would probably end up paying a professional to fix all of my mistakes, and it would end up costing me more in the long run. I agree that it makes sense to buy quality and that we get what we pay for. I do not personally know anyone who has purchased an emachine, so I was unsure of their quality. Thanks for all of the great input. The suggestions on processors was interesting. It seems to come down to P4 or Athlon XP. Are their processor speeds equivalent? Does a P4 3.0 GHz have the same processing power as a Athlon XP 3.0 GHz? The disk drive will definetly be a much larger capacity than what it is replacing. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to partition it? Should there be a "small" partition for the operating system and programs, and the remainder be a "data" partition? Or are there reasons to have more than 2 partitions? Are there optimal sizes for partitions? Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation |Joseph, | |As a developer, I would suggest that you stick with a P4 class machine (or |one of the upper end AMDs if you lean that way). | |I do not know where Emachines now stand, but IIRC, they were not that good |when they came out. | |I personally would recommend one of the Dell's if you want name brand or |either build yourself a machine or have a trusted local shop build you one. | |I would have at least 512MB RAM, preferably 1GB. Win XP really runs better |with 512 compared to 256. Especially if you are developing in MS Visual |studio (Dotnet or 6). I have 1GB in my system at home and after a |development session, I see the amount of RAM used over 512MB many times. |Note also that the RAM in that machine is slower than the "standard" RAM out |now. It uses pc2700, many of the newer machines/mobos are using pc3200 or |higher and also utilize dual channel access to the RAM. All of which makes |for a speedier system. | |A 60GB drive should be ok, Although larger is always better. You can always |add another one later. | |I guess all of the above is moot if you just don't have the $$$ for the |above. But you can get some good prices on a Dell. | |As an example, the following Dell is $709 with free shipping (after MIR) |Dell Dimension 3000 Series: | |IntelR PentiumR 4 Processor w/ HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB) |Operating System: MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Home Edition |Shipping Rebates: Save $99 on shipping with mail-in rebate. Price shown |before rebate. |Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: | 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr At-Home Service, and 1Yr Technical Support |Memory: SAVE $50! 1GB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz |Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive |CD or DVD Drive: Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + FREE UPGRADE! 48x CD-RW |Drive |Floppy Drives and Additional Storage Devices: 3.5 in Floppy Drive |Productivity Software: WordPerfectR, Powerful Word Processing |Security Software: No Security Subscription |Monitors: 17 in (16 in viewable,.27dp) E773c CRT Monitor |Keyboard and Mouse Bundles: Dell Quietkey Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll |Mouse |Sound Card: Integrated Audio |Speakers: No Speaker Option |Video Card: Integrated IntelR Extreme Graphics 2 |Mouse: Mouse included with Keyboard purchase |Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet |Modem: 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem |Internet Access Services: 6 Months of America Online Membership Included |Dell Media Experience: Dell Media ExperienceT |Digital Music: Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning |software |Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio, Paint Shop Pro Trial, Photo Album |Starter Edition |Document Management: AdobeR AcrobatR Reader 6.0 | |To see/modify this configuration, use E-Value Code: 6V592 - D30SO. | |You could shave some off of this by going less RAM, smaller HD, etc. | |Hope this helps, |Bobby | |-----Original Message----- |From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com |[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell |Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM |To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues |Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation | | |I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. | |My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad |so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of |replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. | |Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: |Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) |256MB DDR PC2700 memory |60 GB hard drive |DVD-ROM/CD-RW |8-in-1 memory card reader |17" flat screen monitor | |For $100 the system can be upgraded to include |Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) |512 MB memory |DVD-ROM and CD-RW | |>From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 |cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. | |Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP |Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. | |Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between |Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I |missing something? | |The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows |2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? |Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? | |All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. | |Joe O'Connell | | | | |_______________________________________________ |dba-Tech mailing list |dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com |http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech |Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com | |_______________________________________________ |dba-Tech mailing list |dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com |http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech |Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Oct 19 18:30:01 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:30:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <20041019231253.RAN632.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000301c4b633$9408ab80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Which is why I so highly recommend the NVIDIA chipset for the Athlon64. The GHz nic AND all of the disks come directly into the chipset, where they have dedicated hardware and high speed paths directly into the cpu, bypassing the backplane circuit. Most others hang these components off the Southbridge and when all of them start putting out data they just saturate the common channel. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention today is using SATA 10,000 RPM drives. The WD 10,000 RPM drive that I installed in a system really seemed to make a difference and they aren't that expensive, and most new main boards already have a SATA controller on board. Computers have been I/O bound since time immemorial. > > From: "John W. Colby" > Date: 2004/10/19 Tue PM 03:55:58 EDT > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > >I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for > >building/fixing > PC's. > > That's a steal and well worth doing. I definitely understand the "no > time to do it", on the other hand it just keeps getting simpler and > simpler, it really does. With all the plug and play (less and less > pray), installing the hardware is just getting down to nothing. Plus > the new motherboards have everything built in to the MB itself. I kid > you not, the new machines I built have exactly ONE card, that being > the video card. All the disks, sound, USB, etc is all just right on > the motherboard. You pop in the CD with the drivers and load it up > and you are done. Why do you think the systems from Dell are so cheap? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Porter, > Mark > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I also purchase/build my own stuff, very economical. > > However, I rarely have time to build anymore (I'd rather be kayaking). > I found a local shop with a flat rate $75 bench fee for > building/fixing PC's. I give them the parts and they do a great job, > saving me time and sometimes a headache. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. > > Colby > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:04 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! > > > > ;-) > > > > It's really easy to get cheap prebuilt systems, but high performing, > > cheap prebuilt systems are another matter. In fact Dell and the > > others get you in > > and browsing with the cheap machines, then seriously jack up > > the price when > > you start upgrading the cheap components to better performing ones. > > > > Joe was discussing buying an Emachines which is a fairly strong > > indication that he is not in your (apparent) income bracket. And an > > Emachines is not > > going to impress many clients unless they happen to be impressed by > > frugality. > > > > And the case is NOT ugly. 8-( > > > > For those of us not so wealthy, building systems is DEAD easy. In > > the US the parts are extremely cheap, and you can put together > > machines that you > > can't touch for twice the price the price. I replaced my > > wife's 1ghz amd > > with 256 of ram (which I built 3 years ago). I had to replace the > > motherboard, processor, ram and video card. I used the rest > > of the parts > > (disks, cd, floppy, monitor, mouse and keyboard and chassis). > > It took me > > about an hour, plus the time to load the software. The price > > was ~ $300 to > > go from low functioning to SERIOUSLY fast. Gigabit LAN NIC, smoking > > performance, plenty of memory, tons of USB ports, etc. > > > > Do that with your IBM Gustav. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tuxedo_man at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 18:54:22 2004 From: tuxedo_man at hotmail.com (Billy Pang) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:54:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: If the computer is to have any databases locally, then speed of the hard drive and amount of memory are very important (to prevent any physical i/o bottlenecks if your new computer has fast processor(s)). Billy >From: "Joseph O'Connell" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation >Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:44:36 -0500 > >I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. > >My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad >so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of >replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. > >Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: >Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) >256MB DDR PC2700 memory >60 GB hard drive >DVD-ROM/CD-RW >8-in-1 memory card reader >17" flat screen monitor > >For $100 the system can be upgraded to include >Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) >512 MB memory >DVD-ROM and CD-RW > > >From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 >cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. > >Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the >HP >Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. > >Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between >Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I >missing something? > >The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows >2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? >Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? > >All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. > >Joe O'Connell > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 20 02:47:26 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <000001c4b610$d9929210$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000001c4b610$d9929210$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <833390975.20041020094726@cactus.dk> Hi John I hear you, and as I said - if one think it is great fun, go ahead. Or if you have to - like I had ten years ago where a brand name pc did cost a fortune. But now I don't. I could easily build a machine myself (we are a full-service shop and have access to any imaginable part at dealer prices), I know the ins and outs and have seen countless "strange" errors, and we know how to handle them. Also, in my young days I ran a pro audio business with three fellow students and we built all kinds of PA equipment from scratch including our own custom designed printed circuit boards. That part doesn't scare me, and I know from experience the good feeling you gain when you have succeeded building something yourself. The difference is that I have yet to see a clone pc matching the reliability and design of an IBM; I mean it when I say that clone cases are truly ugly. We only sell brand name boxes and it really brings relief when we succeed persuading a client to replace some clone boxes with decent hardware. There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-19 21:21 > Gustav, > I have purchased exactly one machine in my whole life, a zeos 386-20 back in > 1988. Since that time I have always either upgraded or built from scratch. > I have experience paying too much money for not enough machine. I also have > experience building much more powerful machines than I can afford to buy > from the IBMs of this world. It sounds like you don't have experience on > both sides of that fence. > Building certainly isn't for everyone, and from talking with my friends in > Europe, building isn't as cost effective over there anyway. But in the US > it can be a great way to save thousands of dollars. I do not build systems > for clients, I send them to Dell or someplace similar, but that doesn't mean > I have to do that. > Contrary to popular belief, building a system, even from scratch is NOT a > tough job. Of course I spend time researching what I want, processors, > chipsets, motherboards, video cards etc. but I find that satisfying. I read > reviews on all the pieces and I carefully select those vendors that I have > high confidence in. OTOH, don't you do the same when you go to buy a > prebuilt system? > It is no doubt a little scary to spend $600 on a bunch of parts, that first > time you do it. Opening the boxes, wondering if it is going to work when it > is put together. But the actual building is simply not difficult. I have > done this since 1990 (and even back in the late 70s and early 80s when I > actually BUILT (from scratch, soldering iron in hand) the pieces and parts). > In the latest round of updates, I built from scratch or upgraded 3 machines > and out of all the parts I purchased, one DIMM memory was bad and had to be > sent back. I can't remember ever RMAing a part since I moved back to the US > from Mexico other than that one. This stuff is so simple that young > teenagers do it. > In this case I would say YOU get what you pay for. I get MORE than I pay > for, which is exactly the reason I do it and I highly recommend doing this. > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:38 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > Hi John >> ROTFL. There's a guy with too much money! > Not really. But my first IntelliStation lived for 5.5 years without a > glitch. You get what you pay for. >> Do that with your IBM Gustav. > Well, I wouldn't, as that would leave me with one not-up-to-the-mark machine > and some garbage, while buying a new will leave me with one up-to-the-mark > machine and a good old machine useful for something else like a spare, a > gift or a test server for an SQL engine or a mail server or a web server or > a Novell or Linux file/print server. > I'm absolutely convinced that upgrading machines with anything else than > disk and ram or some common accessories won't pay off as it will lead you > into a never ending upgrade path which simply doesn't pay off in the long > run. Also, buying a new machine enables you to have the old machine running > while you configure the new; and when done, you still have the old as a > spare for some weeks should any surprise show up with the new. > /gustav > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Oct 20 07:16:11 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:16:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: >> Are their processor speeds equivalent? << This is all off the top of my head, so take it for what its worth. Intel and AMD approach computing efficiency from two different angles. Intel uses long pipelines and cranks up the GHz, AMD uses shorter pipelines and processes more instructions per clock cycle. To further confuse things, their naming conventions have changed over time. The push is towards a naming convention NOT centered on raw speed. So a direct comparison of CPUs has to be done on a case-by-case basis using benchmarks. This approach has its own downside, as certain benchmarks have been accused in the past of purposefully favoring either one or the other. In other words, entire articles have been written discussing the comparison between just 2 processors. >> Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to partition it? << There are different schools of thought on this issue and they change over time;) The primary reason for partitioning is: Division of data. ...such as a partition for work, a partition for music, etc. This approach also lends itself to faster targeted backups. This approach also lends itself to faster defragging and overall maintenance. The size of any one partition is relative to user demands. All that being said, today's HDDs are much faster and cheaper than in the past. Many have returned to the days of a single partition per physical drive and have opted to take advantage of some form of RAID setup, either for speed or reliability concerns. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Many thanks to all who responded. My email service (Road Runner) went down after I sent my request this morning. It has just come back so I am just now reading through all of the suggestions. Building a computer would definitely be the absolute cheapest way to go for most people, but I am so inept when it comes to hardware that I would probably end up paying a professional to fix all of my mistakes, and it would end up costing me more in the long run. I agree that it makes sense to buy quality and that we get what we pay for. I do not personally know anyone who has purchased an emachine, so I was unsure of their quality. Thanks for all of the great input. The suggestions on processors was interesting. It seems to come down to P4 or Athlon XP. Are their processor speeds equivalent? Does a P4 3.0 GHz have the same processing power as a Athlon XP 3.0 GHz? The disk drive will definetly be a much larger capacity than what it is replacing. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to partition it? Should there be a "small" partition for the operating system and programs, and the remainder be a "data" partition? Or are there reasons to have more than 2 partitions? Are there optimal sizes for partitions? Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation |Joseph, | |As a developer, I would suggest that you stick with a P4 class machine (or |one of the upper end AMDs if you lean that way). | |I do not know where Emachines now stand, but IIRC, they were not that good |when they came out. | |I personally would recommend one of the Dell's if you want name brand or |either build yourself a machine or have a trusted local shop build you one. | |I would have at least 512MB RAM, preferably 1GB. Win XP really runs better |with 512 compared to 256. Especially if you are developing in MS Visual |studio (Dotnet or 6). I have 1GB in my system at home and after a |development session, I see the amount of RAM used over 512MB many times. |Note also that the RAM in that machine is slower than the "standard" RAM out |now. It uses pc2700, many of the newer machines/mobos are using pc3200 or |higher and also utilize dual channel access to the RAM. All of which makes |for a speedier system. | |A 60GB drive should be ok, Although larger is always better. You can always |add another one later. | |I guess all of the above is moot if you just don't have the $$$ for the |above. But you can get some good prices on a Dell. | |As an example, the following Dell is $709 with free shipping (after MIR) |Dell Dimension 3000 Series: | |IntelR PentiumR 4 Processor w/ HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB) |Operating System: MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Home Edition |Shipping Rebates: Save $99 on shipping with mail-in rebate. Price shown |before rebate. |Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: | 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr At-Home Service, and 1Yr Technical Support |Memory: SAVE $50! 1GB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz |Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive |CD or DVD Drive: Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive + FREE UPGRADE! 48x CD-RW |Drive |Floppy Drives and Additional Storage Devices: 3.5 in Floppy Drive |Productivity Software: WordPerfectR, Powerful Word Processing |Security Software: No Security Subscription |Monitors: 17 in (16 in viewable,.27dp) E773c CRT Monitor |Keyboard and Mouse Bundles: Dell Quietkey Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll |Mouse |Sound Card: Integrated Audio |Speakers: No Speaker Option |Video Card: Integrated IntelR Extreme Graphics 2 |Mouse: Mouse included with Keyboard purchase |Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet |Modem: 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem |Internet Access Services: 6 Months of America Online Membership Included |Dell Media Experience: Dell Media ExperienceT |Digital Music: Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning |software |Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio, Paint Shop Pro Trial, Photo Album |Starter Edition |Document Management: AdobeR AcrobatR Reader 6.0 | |To see/modify this configuration, use E-Value Code: 6V592 - D30SO. | |You could shave some off of this by going less RAM, smaller HD, etc. | |Hope this helps, |Bobby | |-----Original Message----- |From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com |[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Connell |Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:45 AM |To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues |Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation | | |I am looking for hardware suggestions and comments. | |My primary development PC just lost its hard drive. The boot sector is bad |so I cannot reformat it. The PC is about 4 years old, so instead of |replacing the hard drive, I started lookin for "deals" on new computers. | |Office Depot has an emachine for $370 that includes: |Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66GHz) |256MB DDR PC2700 memory |60 GB hard drive |DVD-ROM/CD-RW |8-in-1 memory card reader |17" flat screen monitor | |For $100 the system can be upgraded to include |Celeron D340 Processor (2.93GHz) |512 MB memory |DVD-ROM and CD-RW | |>From the Intel web site, I learned that the processor includes 256KB L2 |cache and 533 MHz Front Side Bus. | |Although this is not the fastest computer, it is quite a step up from the HP |Pavillion 733GHz Pentium that it will be replacing. | |Does anyone have experience with emachine? What is the difference between |Celeron and Pentium processors? This seems like a terrific deal, am I |missing something? | |The operating system is Windows XP Home. I will replace it with Windows |2003 Terminal Server. Any suggestions on how to configure the hard drive? |Multiple partitions? If yes, what should each contain? | |All suggestions/comments/ideas are greatly appreciated. | |Joe O'Connell | | | | |_______________________________________________ |dba-Tech mailing list |dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com |http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech |Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com | |_______________________________________________ |dba-Tech mailing list |dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com |http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech |Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Oct 20 09:14:36 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:14:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309EA8A6@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB921@ADGSERVER> The gist that I got from the original email is that he was trying to keep costs down. That is why I did not mention the more expensive (and faster) drives. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention today is using SATA 10,000 RPM drives. The WD 10,000 RPM drive that I installed in a system really seemed to make a difference and they aren't that expensive, and most new main boards already have a SATA controller on board. Computers have been I/O bound since time immemorial. From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 09:20:25 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:20:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Anti-Virus Can Be Tricked By Hackers Message-ID: FYI: From Internet Week.com Anti-Virus Can Be Tricked By Hackers By TechWeb News , InternetWeek Oct 19, 2004 (7:00 PM) URL: http://www.internetweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=50500905 The anti-virus detection engines of several big-name vendors, including McAfee and Computer Associates, can be fooled by hackers, a U.S.-based security intelligence firm warned Tuesday. According to an advisory posted by iDefense, a Reston, Va.-based vulnerability intelligence provider, the bug could let hackers slip their malicious code past the anti-virus defenses thrown up by McAfee, Computer Associates, Kaspersky Labs, Sophos, Eset, and RAV. (The last in the list, RAV, is the anti-virus technology that Microsoft acquired in 2003.) Attackers who craft ZIP files with modified header data can pass malicious payloads past these engines, said iDefense in the online warning. The problem exists both in .zip files created with WinZIP and Windows' own Compressed Folders feature. "Most anti-virus engines have the ability to scan content packaged with compressed archives," wrote iDefense in the advisory. "As such, users with up-to-date anti-virus software are more likely to open attachments and files if they are under the false impression that the archive was already scanned and found to not contain a virus." The most current AV engines of the six vendors are all vulnerable, said iDefense, and it pointed to updates and/or comments from some of the half-dozen on its Web site. iDefense also confirmed that the latest AV engines from rivals Symantec, Bitdefender, Trend Micro, and Panda are not vulnerable to this exploitation avenue From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 09:51:05 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:51:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Message-ID: Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 20 09:59:13 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:59:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B28B@ALCUXB> While you're browsing? right click and select "save target as..." Unless you meant when you're writing a page, but I can't help you there... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 October 2004 15:51 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 20 10:06:17 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:06:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <20041020150617.TRDA19872.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I picked up on it late and probably never read the original email. Some people think that getting a faster cpu is the cure for everything, when sometimes all you really need is faster I/O. What I noticed that was mentioned was the need for zippy local query performance By rolling your own, you do keep costs down. Compare what you can build a high end machine for to what that machine will cost at Dell. Not to mention all of the garbage that Dell loads on a new system. If you can get the equivalent components in a system from Dell. And I don't think that my Antec Sonata case is ugly. > > From: "Bobby Heid" > Date: 2004/10/20 Wed AM 10:14:36 EDT > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > The gist that I got from the original email is that he was trying to keep > costs down. That is why I did not mention the more expensive (and faster) > drives. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > jmoss111 at bellsouth.net > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention today is using SATA 10,000 RPM > drives. The WD 10,000 RPM drive that I installed in a system really seemed > to make a difference and they aren't that expensive, and most new main > boards already have a SATA controller on board. Computers have been I/O > bound since time immemorial. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 20 10:12:25 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:12:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Message-ID: <20041020151225.TXAX19872.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> John, I have a similar need to open a hyperlink in an email from Oracle workflow and save the report as a text file. Jim > > From: "John Bartow" > Date: 2004/10/20 Wed AM 10:51:05 EDT > To: "_DBA-Tech" > Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save > > Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather > than opening it? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 10:32:19 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:32:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B28B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and choose save target as. I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save While you're browsing? right click and select "save target as..." Unless you meant when you're writing a page, but I can't help you there... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 October 2004 15:51 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 20 10:36:19 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:36:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B28C@ALCUXB> Sorry John, I don't know any html, web pages aren't my thing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 October 2004 16:32 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and choose save target as. I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save While you're browsing? right click and select "save target as..." Unless you meant when you're writing a page, but I can't help you there... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 October 2004 15:51 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Oct 20 10:53:56 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:53:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Message-ID: Are you talking about forcing a save without utilizing the download dialogue box? Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:51 AM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 11:23:40 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:23:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no, just causing the download box without using the shortcut menu or, if it has to be avoiding the downlaod box would work too. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Are you talking about forcing a save without utilizing the download dialogue box? Mark -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:51 AM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather than opening it? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 11:44:21 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:44:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <833390975.20041020094726@cactus.dk> References: <000001c4b610$d9929210$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <833390975.20041020094726@cactus.dk> Message-ID: sorry gustav, but you lost credibility w/ me when you mentioned HP :D. IBM is a great company, and reliable as hell when you mention servers, but I'm very biased against HP quality and support On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 11:54:44 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:54:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Francisco What are basing this on? I have had little to complain about regarding HP - I would venture to guess - less so than with Dell. My biggest complaint with HP - a pet peeve really - is that they continue to use those irritating little Compaq six-point head screws instead of phillips head screws. Maybe they're just clearing the stock of them but I HATE those screws! I carry a bunch of phillips/standard straight head screws with me and throw those other things away every chance I get! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation sorry gustav, but you lost credibility w/ me when you mentioned HP :D. IBM is a great company, and reliable as hell when you mention servers, but I'm very biased against HP quality and support On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 12:06:03 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:06:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Workstations: from the quality of laptops and pc workstations that i've run accross, their longetivity and w/ laptops more so, their heat related problems. Contacting customer support and the tech's inability to keep up w/ the problem. It is obvious most tech support now-a-days reads from the prompters, but the customer support at HP had a much more difficult time figuring out that when I said, "when the laptop has been powered on for 15 minutes, the keyboard and mousepad will lock up and the system is unresponsive. the clock on the lower right stops moving, and the screen is forzen at it's previous state." re: Servers, the delays we get for maintaining out HP server, the delay P&G used to get for doing routine maintenance on their HP ux server(S). When the techs come out, they do a good job and the server is back to tip-top-shape. but we need less maintenance calls for the IBM and DELL servers. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:54:44 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Francisco > What are basing this on? > > I have had little to complain about regarding HP - I would venture to > guess - less so than with Dell. > > My biggest complaint with HP - a pet peeve really - is that they continue to > use those irritating little Compaq six-point head screws instead of phillips > head screws. Maybe they're just clearing the stock of them but I HATE those > screws! I carry a bunch of phillips/standard straight head screws with me > and throw those other things away every chance I get! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:44 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > sorry gustav, but you lost credibility w/ me when you mentioned HP :D. > IBM is a great company, and reliable as hell when you mention > servers, but I'm very biased against HP quality and support > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > > There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc news with out the > jargon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 20 12:11:23 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:11:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437227290.20041020191123@cactus.dk> Hi John Those screws are actually quite nice. Go to your local handyman shop and ask for a set of Torx bits - for assembling computers, the cheapest quality is fine. You know: the right tool is half the job. /gustav > My biggest complaint with HP - a pet peeve really - is that they continue to > use those irritating little Compaq six-point head screws instead of phillips > head screws. Maybe they're just clearing the stock of them but I HATE those > screws! I carry a bunch of phillips/standard straight head screws with me > and throw those other things away every chance I get! From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 20 12:06:30 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:06:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4b610$d9929210$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <833390975.20041020094726@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5836934328.20041020190630@cactus.dk> Hi Francisco That's not so here. On the other hand, HP is our second choice for servers. IBM service is outstanding. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-20 18:44 > sorry gustav, but you lost credibility w/ me when you mentioned HP :D. > IBM is a great company, and reliable as hell when you mention > servers, but I'm very biased against HP quality and support > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: >> There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 13:57:22 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:57:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <437227290.20041020191123@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, I did that many years ago. The first Compaq screw (as I call them - because they are a torx/straight slot combination) I ran into I stopped what I was doing and went to the local hardware store and bought a set. Made the rest of the job easier but I still hate them :o) Everyone's got a pet peeve. This is mine. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Hi John Those screws are actually quite nice. Go to your local handyman shop and ask for a set of Torx bits - for assembling computers, the cheapest quality is fine. You know: the right tool is half the job. /gustav > My biggest complaint with HP - a pet peeve really - is that they continue to > use those irritating little Compaq six-point head screws instead of phillips > head screws. Maybe they're just clearing the stock of them but I HATE those > screws! I carry a bunch of phillips/standard straight head screws with me > and throw those other things away every chance I get! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 15:13:53 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:13:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK fair enough. Personal experience. I have never personally had a bad experience with support staff of any hardware company. Dell support couldn't seem to help me much with my server's shared modem back in 1999 but I really didn't push them. I gave up on them and figured it out myself. I have had plenty of bad experience with software support and with service company support such as tel/com companies (these are the worse!). I know of a few second hand instances where support from name brand companies has been poor. Probably the worst was Dell with a Home Office problem but that is second hand and could have been the person's lack of technical skills. (Although I always thought that is why a non-techy running a SOHO business should buy their extended in home support - which he did.) All-in-all I see the top dogs as fairly comparable. But then I'm not much of a "brand name" person. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation sorry gustav, but you lost credibility w/ me when you mentioned HP :D. IBM is a great company, and reliable as hell when you mention servers, but I'm very biased against HP quality and support On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:47:26 +0200, Gustav Brock wrote: > There is a reason that most clients choose brand names like HP and IBM. -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Oct 20 15:39:25 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:39:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB921@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <001301c4b6e4$e69af450$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> And the reason I mentioned BYO. ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation The gist that I got from the original email is that he was trying to keep costs down. That is why I did not mention the more expensive (and faster) drives. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention today is using SATA 10,000 RPM drives. The WD 10,000 RPM drive that I installed in a system really seemed to make a difference and they aren't that expensive, and most new main boards already have a SATA controller on board. Computers have been I/O bound since time immemorial. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 20 17:10:23 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:10:23 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save In-Reply-To: References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B28B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <41776EEE.30322.49D97CB@lexacorp.com.pg> On 20 Oct 2004 at 10:32, John Bartow wrote: > Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and choose > save target as. > > I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. > It is ( or should be) a client function, not an HTML function. In Firefox, you find it under Tools - Options - Downloads - Filetypes. In IE , AFAIK, you're SOOL. -- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 20 18:06:50 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:06:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save In-Reply-To: <41776EEE.30322.49D97CB@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Thanks, I think you're correct in that I'm SOL (as we save it here) :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save On 20 Oct 2004 at 10:32, John Bartow wrote: > Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and choose > save target as. > > I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. > It is ( or should be) a client function, not an HTML function. In Firefox, you find it under Tools - Options - Downloads - Filetypes. In IE , AFAIK, you're SOOL. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 20 20:35:51 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save In-Reply-To: <41776EEE.30322.49D97CB@lexacorp.com.pg> References: Message-ID: <4176DA37.24485.6B14BC@localhost> On 21 Oct 2004 at 8:10, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > On 20 Oct 2004 at 10:32, John Bartow wrote: > > > Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and > > choose save target as. > > > > I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. > > > > It is ( or should be) a client function, not an HTML function. > > In Firefox, you find it under Tools - Options - Downloads - > Filetypes. > > In IE , AFAIK, you're SOOL. Actually in IE its determined by the OS. In XPP, SP2 Open Windows Explorer, Tools | Folder Options... | File Types Tab. Scroll down to zip and click the Advanced button. Make sure that Confirm Open After Download is checked in the dialog that opens up. That should force at least the give you the choice to open or save. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind - Dr.Seuss From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 20 21:38:05 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:38:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? Message-ID: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> Hi All, I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins can be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so I cannot test that. What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating COM Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it can(/should) be done? TIA, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Wed Oct 20 23:07:38 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:37:38 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted - Folding@home Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204E5B6@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Another good one: http://www.grid.org/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 4:15 AM To: AccessD; SQLServer; VBA; Tech - Database Advisors Inc. Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross posted - Folding at home I just wanted to call everyone's attention to Folding at home. I know a lot of you know about this project, I did and got involved for awhile (through Google's team I think) but over time forgot about it. http://folding.stanford.edu/ Folding at home is a project by Stanford University which essentially builds a mega super computer created by using our home / office computers to form a huge network capable of thousands of times more processing power than even the largest dedicated super computers. http://folding.stanford.edu/stats.html Will take you directly to a page where you can see some statistics for the supercomputer as it exists at this instant in time. This system downloads an executable onto a computer which runs in the idle thread. This means that while the CPU utilized jumps to 100%, it is all idle time ad if your programs need CPU cycles folding at home will not interfere with your program in any way. I had 4 3ghz computers sitting in my home office doing nothing. They are now contributing to mankind's knowledgebase. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 21 02:06:18 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:06:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? References: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <41775FEA.3060907@shaw.ca> Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. What Are the Office XP Primary Interop Assemblies? COM interop assemblies allow unmanaged (COM) code to be called from managed (.NET) code by using the Microsoft .NET Framework and the common language runtime. COM interop assemblies allow managed applications to bind to unmanaged types at compile time and provide information to the common language runtime about how the unmanaged types should be marshaled at run time. XP PIA Download http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c41bd61e-3060-4f71-a6b4-01feba508e52&DisplayLang=en docs on xp pia http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_oxppias.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_piaissues.asp?frame=true 2003 PIA http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconPIAs.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconWhatArePIAs.asp http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=7444019b81c6aaad Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Hi All, > >I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. > >I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins can >be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so I >cannot test that. > >What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM >Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? >MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I >expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating COM >Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it >can(/should) be done? > >TIA, >Shamil > >-- >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 21 06:28:38 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:28:38 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? References: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> <41775FEA.3060907@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <003801c4b761$1fc74400$0201a8c0@PARIS> Thank you, Marty! What your wrote about is good but a different story: these PIAs are the .NET shells/wrappers allowing to create COM-Add Ins, MS Office Automation and related applications and utilities in VS.NET... I'm looking how to do in MS Office 2003 what is described here for MS Office 2000 and MS Office XP Developer Edition: How To Create Office COM Add-Ins by Using VBA and Office Developer http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306130 Is that possible at all in any of MS Office 2003 Editions? TIA, Shamil P.S. > Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. What SWAG abbreviation means? ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? > Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. > > What Are the Office XP Primary Interop Assemblies? > COM interop assemblies allow unmanaged (COM) code to be called from > managed (.NET) code by using the Microsoft .NET > Framework and the common language runtime. COM interop assemblies allow > managed applications to bind to unmanaged > types at compile time and provide information to the common language > runtime about how the unmanaged types should be > marshaled at run time. > > XP PIA > Download > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c41bd61e-3060-4f71-a6b4-01feba508e52&DisplayLang=en > > docs on xp pia > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_oxppias.asp > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_piaissues.asp?frame=true > > 2003 PIA > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconPIAs.asp > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconWhatArePIAs.asp > > http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=7444019b81c6aaad > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. > > > >I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins can > >be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so I > >cannot test that. > > > >What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM > >Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? > >MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I > >expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating COM > >Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it > >can(/should) be done? > > > >TIA, > >Shamil > > > >-- > >e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Oct 21 11:47:01 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:47:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinProxy Message-ID: Anyone here have experience with Winproxy? John From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 11:50:40 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:50:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinProxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope, I use the proxyswitch extention for FireFox... it works GREAT! On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:47:01 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Anyone here have experience with Winproxy? -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 21 12:45:58 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:45:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? References: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> <41775FEA.3060907@shaw.ca> <003801c4b761$1fc74400$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <4177F5D6.20208@shaw.ca> I dunno but this maybe what you are looking for developer cost $100 Euro's Add-in Express (ADX) is a visual tool for creating COM add-ins, Smart Tags and RTD Servers for Microsoft Office Family applications in Visual Studio .NET and Delphi. Otherwise you might want to search on IDTExtensibility2 and Com http://www.add-in-express.com/home/visual_tool_for_com_add-ins_smart_tags_rtd_on_net_and_vcl.php Do you want to do this without touching the dotnet framework? However Office 2003 installs at least basic dotnet framework. While looking around for this I found out there is a VSTO Version 2 for Visual Studio Tools for Office, Version 2005 Beta VSTO being the Developers Edition for Office 2003 See sidelinks here http://weblogs.asp.net/vsto2/archive/2004/06/30/170315.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/vsto/gettingstarted/vsto05beta/default.aspx Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Thank you, Marty! >What your wrote about is good but a different story: these PIAs are the >.NET shells/wrappers allowing to create COM-Add Ins, MS Office >Automation and related applications and utilities in VS.NET... > >I'm looking how to do in MS Office 2003 what is described here for MS >Office 2000 and MS Office XP Developer Edition: > >How To Create Office COM Add-Ins by Using VBA and Office Developer > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306130 > >Is that possible at all in any of MS Office 2003 Editions? > >TIA, >Shamil > >P.S. > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. >> >> >What SWAG abbreviation means? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MartyConnelly" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:06 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 >anybody? > > > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. >> >>What Are the Office XP Primary Interop Assemblies? >>COM interop assemblies allow unmanaged (COM) code to be called from >>managed (.NET) code by using the Microsoft .NET >>Framework and the common language runtime. COM interop assemblies >> >> >allow > > >>managed applications to bind to unmanaged >>types at compile time and provide information to the common language >>runtime about how the unmanaged types should be >>marshaled at run time. >> >>XP PIA >>Download >> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c41bd61e-3060-4f71-a6b4-01feba508e52&DisplayLang=en > > >>docs on xp pia >> >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_oxppias.asp > > >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_piaissues.asp?frame=true > > >>2003 PIA >> >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconPIAs.asp > > >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconWhatArePIAs.asp > > >> >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=7444019b81c6aaad > > >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. >>> >>>I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins >>> >>> >can > > >>>be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so >>> >>> >I > > >>>cannot test that. >>> >>>What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM >>>Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? >>>MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I >>>expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating >>> >>> >COM > > >>>Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it >>>can(/should) be done? >>> >>>TIA, >>>Shamil >>> >>>-- >>>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Marty Connelly >>Victoria, B.C. >>Canada >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 21 12:54:28 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:54:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? References: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> <41775FEA.3060907@shaw.ca> <003801c4b761$1fc74400$0201a8c0@PARIS> Message-ID: <4177F7D4.7090508@shaw.ca> I should have added that the Access Developer Edition for 2003 is Access 2003 Developer Extensions included within the VSTO Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office System This includes Access runtime generation with the Package Wizard. Most of the VSTO is directed at Excel and Word http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessextensions/default.aspx Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Thank you, Marty! >What your wrote about is good but a different story: these PIAs are the >.NET shells/wrappers allowing to create COM-Add Ins, MS Office >Automation and related applications and utilities in VS.NET... > >I'm looking how to do in MS Office 2003 what is described here for MS >Office 2000 and MS Office XP Developer Edition: > >How To Create Office COM Add-Ins by Using VBA and Office Developer > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306130 > >Is that possible at all in any of MS Office 2003 Editions? > >TIA, >Shamil > >P.S. > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. >> >> >What SWAG abbreviation means? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MartyConnelly" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:06 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 >anybody? > > > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. >> >>What Are the Office XP Primary Interop Assemblies? >>COM interop assemblies allow unmanaged (COM) code to be called from >>managed (.NET) code by using the Microsoft .NET >>Framework and the common language runtime. COM interop assemblies >> >> >allow > > >>managed applications to bind to unmanaged >>types at compile time and provide information to the common language >>runtime about how the unmanaged types should be >>marshaled at run time. >> >>XP PIA >>Download >> >> >> >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c41bd61e-3060-4f71-a6b4-01feba508e52&DisplayLang=en > > >>docs on xp pia >> >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_oxppias.asp > > >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpta/html/odc_piaissues.asp?frame=true > > >>2003 PIA >> >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconPIAs.asp > > >> >> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsdk/html/stconWhatArePIAs.asp > > >> >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=7444019b81c6aaad > > >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. >>> >>>I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins >>> >>> >can > > >>>be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so >>> >>> >I > > >>>cannot test that. >>> >>>What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM >>>Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? >>>MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I >>>expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating >>> >>> >COM > > >>>Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it >>>can(/should) be done? >>> >>>TIA, >>>Shamil >>> >>>-- >>>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Marty Connelly >>Victoria, B.C. >>Canada >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 21 14:15:07 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save References: Message-ID: <41780ABB.3090003@shaw.ca> Wasn't there a method using an HTML Object Tag like I think this was stopped a few years ago for obvious security reasons in IE I don't know what replaced it. But that could be what you need Georgi Guninski had a boatload of these exploits http://www.guninski.com/ John Bartow wrote: >Yes, but what I want to avoid is forcing people to right click, and choose >save target as. > >I can't find the HTML syntax to do this - it may not exist. > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:59 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] web link for file save > > >While you're browsing? right click and select "save target as..." > >Unless you meant when you're writing a page, but I can't help you there... > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] >Sent: 20 October 2004 15:51 >To: _DBA-Tech >Subject: [dba-Tech] web link for file save > > >Does anyone know a technique to force a web link to save a zip file rather >than opening it? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 21 14:57:33 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:57:33 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? References: <003c01c4b716$ffe57d90$0201a8c0@PARIS> <41775FEA.3060907@shaw.ca><003801c4b761$1fc74400$0201a8c0@PARIS> <4177F7D4.7090508@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <002b01c4b7aa$15804e30$0201a8c0@PARIS> Thank you, Marty! I see that there is no such features of creating COM Add-Ins as they had in MS Office 2000 and MS Office XP Developer Editions. So one have to use Visual Studio .NET or Visual Studio 6 to create COM Add-Ins. That's OK and this is not a problem for me. Thank you for all your help, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 anybody? > I should have added that the Access Developer Edition for 2003 > is Access 2003 Developer Extensions included within the VSTO > Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office System > This includes Access runtime generation with the Package Wizard. > Most of the VSTO is directed at Excel and Word > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessextensions/default.aspx > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Thank you, Marty! > >What your wrote about is good but a different story: these PIAs are the > >.NET shells/wrappers allowing to create COM-Add Ins, MS Office > >Automation and related applications and utilities in VS.NET... > > > >I'm looking how to do in MS Office 2003 what is described here for MS > >Office 2000 and MS Office XP Developer Edition: > > > >How To Create Office COM Add-Ins by Using VBA and Office Developer > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306130 > > > >Is that possible at all in any of MS Office 2003 Editions? > > > >TIA, > >Shamil > > > >P.S. > > > > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. > >> > >> > >What SWAG abbreviation means? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MartyConnelly" > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:06 AM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COM Add-Ins in MS Excel/MS Word/MS Access 2003 > >anybody? > > > > > > > > > >>Just a SWAG but maybe this will give you some leads. > >> > >>What Are the Office XP Primary Interop Assemblies? > >>COM interop assemblies allow unmanaged (COM) code to be called from > >>managed (.NET) code by using the Microsoft .NET > >>Framework and the common language runtime. COM interop assemblies > >> > >> > >allow > > > > > >>managed applications to bind to unmanaged > >>types at compile time and provide information to the common language > >>runtime about how the unmanaged types should be > >>marshaled at run time. > >> > >>XP PIA > >>Download > >> > >> > >> > >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c41bd61e-3060- 4f71-a6b4-01feba508e52&DisplayLang=en > > > > > >>docs on xp pia > >> > >> > >> > >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpt a/html/odc_oxppias.asp > > > > > >> > >> > >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnoxpt a/html/odc_piaissues.asp?frame=true > > > > > >>2003 PIA > >> > >> > >> > >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsd k/html/stconPIAs.asp > > > > > >> > >> > >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/stagsd k/html/stconWhatArePIAs.asp > > > > > >> > >> > >http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=7444 019b81c6aaad > > > > > >>Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi All, > >>> > >>>I know COM Add-ins can be written on VB6, C++. etc. That's clear. > >>> > >>>I've seen the info that in Office XP Developer Edition COM Add-Ins > >>> > >>> > >can > > > > > >>>be created from within e.g. MS Excel VBA. I don't have it here and so > >>> > >>> > >I > > > > > >>>cannot test that. > >>> > >>>What about MS Office 2003? - I cannot find any info how to make COM > >>>Add-Ins in MS Office 2003 Professional? Is that possible at all? > >>>MS Office 2003 doesn't have Developer edition as far as I know - so I > >>>expected that Professional Edition should have a feature of creating > >>> > >>> > >COM > > > > > >>>Add-Ins. Do you have any links to the information describing how it > >>>can(/should) be done? > >>> > >>>TIA, > >>>Shamil > >>> > >>>-- > >>>e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > >>>Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>dba-Tech mailing list > >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Marty Connelly > >>Victoria, B.C. > >>Canada > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>dba-Tech mailing list > >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Oct 22 07:29:13 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:29:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Problem installing VS.NET on MS Win2003 Message-ID: <000f01c4b832$bf086310$0201a8c0@PARIS> Hi All, I'm trying to install VS.NET 2003 on MS Win2003 Server and setup says that FrontPage Server Extensions are not installed (they are a must prerequisites to develop Web applications locally). But in Add/Remove Windows Components I can see that FrontPage Server Extensions ARE installed. Is that a known bug/feature? TIA for any info on this subject, Shamil -- e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From artful at rogers.com Fri Oct 22 11:57:30 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41793BFA.4070009@rogers.com> Generally speaking, I have come to like Thunderbird a lot, but one thing I either can't figure out how to use, or maybe it doesn't work correctly -- the equivalent of Outlook rules. I have created about a dozen message filters and so far as I can determine a few of them are working, but most are not. Further, the "Run Filters on Folder" command just seems to do nothing. Any confirmation of this problem, or advice on how to make this feature work? TIA, Arthur P.S. There is an option to import addresses etc. from various clients, including Outlook. However, Outlook is not on this machine, or to be accurate it is on this machine but is empty and unused. Thinking that Thunderbird would let me point to an Outlook.pst file, I copied said file from the other machine, but TB seems to look only where it thinks Outlook.pst should be. Is there any damage likely to occur if I simply replace the empty Outlook file with the one copied from the other box? From artful at rogers.com Fri Oct 22 12:06:48 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:06:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server In-Reply-To: References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> I just installed this on my oldest and trustiest box, and WOW. I've installed some previous Suses as well as Mandrake and RedHat, and IMO Novell has done its homework on this baby. Lots of stuff that was a hassle before is all installed and configured automatically. Samba was already installed and configured and once I supplied passwords I could get to every other box on the network -- Windows XP boxes, Win2K boxes, and 2 other Linux boxes. For some reason Mandrake had trouble with my network card, pretty much a standard Ethernet card, but Suse had no problem. Once it was running I even played some music that was sitting on a Windows box. Then I burned a CD from an ISO and then a DVD, no problem! No futzing about, just dropped in the media and clicked, dragged and dropped and I was away to the races. Linux installs get better and better, but I must say this one is the best I have seen to date. Not that I've tried every single version of every single distro, but this one is a dazzler. Now I just have to install a few packages that weren't on the CDs and I'm away to the races! Arthur From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 12:28:49 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:28:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thunderbird question In-Reply-To: <41793BFA.4070009@rogers.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> <41793BFA.4070009@rogers.com> Message-ID: please elaborate on the problem. All the rules I've written always work so :| On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:57:30 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Generally speaking, I have come to like Thunderbird a lot, but one thing > I either can't figure out how to use, or maybe it doesn't work correctly > -- the equivalent of Outlook rules. I have created about a dozen message > filters and so far as I can determine a few of them are working, but > most are not. > > Further, the "Run Filters on Folder" command just seems to do nothing. > > Any confirmation of this problem, or advice on how to make this feature > work? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > > There is an option to import addresses etc. from various clients, > including Outlook. However, Outlook is not on this machine, or to be > accurate it is on this machine but is empty and unused. Thinking that > Thunderbird would let me point to an Outlook.pst file, I copied said > file from the other machine, but TB seems to look only where it thinks > Outlook.pst should be. Is there any damage likely to occur if I simply > replace the empty Outlook file with the one copied from the other box? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From serbach at new.rr.com Sun Oct 24 07:29:19 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:29:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B26B@ALCUXB> <000201c4b5ef$00cc80b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <20041024072919.1694375945.serbach@new.rr.com> John, I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from NewEgg was $192. One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into Setup and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't want to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any product support; thus their low prices. It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. Steve P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > ------------Original Message------------ > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > in > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > buy > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > machine in > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > motherboards > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > forever. From mark.breen at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 05:54:02 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:54:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server In-Reply-To: <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <26a96cce0410250354abe7cab@mail.gmail.com> Hello Arthur, I am downloading now. :) Mark On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:06:48 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I just installed this on my oldest and trustiest box, and WOW. I've > installed some previous Suses as well as Mandrake and RedHat, and IMO > Novell has done its homework on this baby. Lots of stuff that was a > hassle before is all installed and configured automatically. Samba was > already installed and configured and once I supplied passwords I could > get to every other box on the network -- Windows XP boxes, Win2K boxes, > and 2 other Linux boxes. For some reason Mandrake had trouble with my > network card, pretty much a standard Ethernet card, but Suse had no > problem. > > Once it was running I even played some music that was sitting on a > Windows box. Then I burned a CD from an ISO and then a DVD, no problem! > No futzing about, just dropped in the media and clicked, dragged and > dropped and I was away to the races. > > Linux installs get better and better, but I must say this one is the > best I have seen to date. Not that I've tried every single version of > every single distro, but this one is a dazzler. Now I just have to > install a few packages that weren't on the CDs and I'm away to the races! > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Oct 25 06:33:40 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:33:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows vs Linux Message-ID: <20041025063340.1333082471.serbach@new.rr.com> Dear Group, Since I've seen a bit on Linux here lately, I thought you lot would be interested in this article from The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/22/linux_v_windows_security/ There's a link in it to a PDF file with a complete analysis of the security strengths and weaknesses of Windows vs. Linux. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "I have heard someone tell me that he heard a senior official to Kerry say that Kerry sometimes thinks he is an aardvark." - Jerry Pournelle From serbach at new.rr.com Mon Oct 25 06:42:32 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:42:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server In-Reply-To: <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041025064232.368947002.serbach@new.rr.com> Arthur, I see that the SRP for it is $899 for 16 users. What's the outfit you work for again? Is your company planning to purchase it? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > ------------Original Message------------ > From: Arthur Fuller > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Date: Fri, Oct-22-2004 12:11 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server > > I just installed this on my oldest and trustiest box, and WOW. I've > installed some previous Suses as well as Mandrake and RedHat, and IMO > Novell has done its homework on this baby. Lots of stuff that was a > hassle before is all installed and configured automatically. Samba was > already installed and configured and once I supplied passwords I could > get to every other box on the network -- Windows XP boxes, Win2K boxes, > > and 2 other Linux boxes. For some reason Mandrake had trouble with my > network card, pretty much a standard Ethernet card, but Suse had no > problem. > > Once it was running I even played some music that was sitting on a > Windows box. Then I burned a CD from an ISO and then a DVD, no problem! > > No futzing about, just dropped in the media and clicked, dragged and > dropped and I was away to the races. > > Linux installs get better and better, but I must say this one is the > best I have seen to date. Not that I've tried every single version of > every single distro, but this one is a dazzler. Now I just have to > install a few packages that weren't on the CDs and I'm away to the > races! > > Arthur From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Oct 25 07:30:50 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:30:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past few years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my desk is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my current (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming machine, hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive ____ $848 Total -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation John, I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from NewEgg was $192. One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into Setup and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't want to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any product support; thus their low prices. It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. Steve P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > ------------Original Message------------ > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > in > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > buy > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > machine in > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > motherboards > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > forever. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 08:53:35 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:53:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: <003601c4ba9a$05b7ad70$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Folks: My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know anything about this? TIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 25 09:05:25 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:05:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <20041025140525.BBEP8988.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a small footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the fans in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past few > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my desk > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my current > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming machine, > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > ____ > $848 Total > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > John, > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from > NewEgg was $192. > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into Setup > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't want > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any > product support; thus their low prices. > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > Steve > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > From: "John W. Colby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > in > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > > buy > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > machine in > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > motherboards > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > forever. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Oct 25 09:47:46 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:47:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309EB2CA@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB942@ADGSERVER> Rocky, I know you probably know this, but the source would have to be in the 16:9 format to have square images. Just like with a widescreen TV, to make a 4:3 video fill the screen, it has to stretch the image. What exactly is stretched, the desktop and the windows? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:54 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Folks: My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know anything about this? TIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Oct 25 09:46:54 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:46:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this model, in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a small footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the fans in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past few > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my desk > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my current > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming machine, > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > ____ > $848 Total > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > John, > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from > NewEgg was $192. > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into Setup > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't want > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any > product support; thus their low prices. > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > Steve > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > From: "John W. Colby" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > in > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > > buy > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > machine in > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > motherboards > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > forever. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Oct 25 09:54:25 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:54:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: Sorry, no...but I have just the opposite problem with my home television. I haven't yet upgraded to a wide-screen format TV, so the picture, for stations like G4-TechTV, runs off the screen:( Mark -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:54 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Folks: My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know anything about this? TIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 10:16:20 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:16:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB942@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <007801c4baa5$95489a70$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: Everything is stretched. Desktop, Windows, Access forms. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > Rocky, > > I know you probably know this, but the source would have to be in the 16:9 > format to have square images. Just like with a widescreen TV, to make a 4:3 > video fill the screen, it has to stretch the image. > > What exactly is stretched, the desktop and the windows? > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:54 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > > > Folks: > > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio distorts > things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like rectangles. I've > looked at the documentation but can't find anything about adjusting the > display so that squares are squares. Anyone know anything about this? > > > TIA, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 10:31:21 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:31:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles Message-ID: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Dear List: Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' this? TIA Rocky From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 25 10:36:24 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:36:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: <20041025153624.MYKE2084.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio > distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like > rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything > about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know > anything about this? You'll probably get this twice, but here goes again: You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 ish (i.e. 1920x1200) 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the image sqished looking. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 25 10:36:26 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:36:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: <20041025153630.ZHBC27476.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio > distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like > rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything > about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know > anything about this? You'll probably get this twice, but here goes again: You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 ish (i.e. 1920x1200) 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the image sqished looking. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 10:11:50 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:11:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen In-Reply-To: <003601c4ba9a$05b7ad70$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <003601c4ba9a$05b7ad70$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:53:35 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know anything about this? > > TIA, Rocky, You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 ish (i.e. 1920x1200) 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the image sqished looking. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 25 11:06:00 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:06:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <14634728536.20041025180600@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail program. In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program at the main page of the properties page. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > Dear List: > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > this? From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 25 11:11:24 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:11:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <20041025161124.FIQL8988.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at 100+ watts just for the CPU. The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this model, > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 > watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a small > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the fans > in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past few > > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my > desk > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my > current > > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming machine, > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > > ____ > > $848 Total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > John, > > > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from > > NewEgg was $192. > > > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into > Setup > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't > want > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any > > product support; thus their low prices. > > > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > > > Steve > > > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > > in > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > > > buy > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > > machine in > > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > > motherboards > > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > > forever. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 11:33:41 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:33:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen References: <20041025153630.ZHBC27476.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <011401c4bab0$634b0d90$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Bryan: I'm an old guy. I'm having trouble seeing 1024 x 768. :) 1920 x 1200 would make everything too teeny, I think. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio > > distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like > > rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything > > about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know > > anything about this? > > You'll probably get this twice, but here goes again: > > You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 > ish (i.e. 1920x1200) > > 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the > image sqished looking. > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 11:40:45 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:40:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <14634728536.20041025180600@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <012001c4bab1$6038cf10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Gustav: I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > program. > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > at the main page of the properties page. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > Dear List: > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > this? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Oct 25 11:45:33 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:45:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <012001c4bab1$6038cf10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <14634728536.20041025180600@cactus.dk> <012001c4bab1$6038cf10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <11737101168.20041025184533@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky You may need to restart the machine. If that doesn't help you must google to find the trick. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-25 18:40 > Gustav: > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > Rocky > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles >> Hi Rocky >> >> Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail >> program. >> In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program >> at the main page of the properties page. From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Mon Oct 25 12:16:21 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:16:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far. My current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:( ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than 300W). The rest of the info is below. The optical drive is negligible because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope). AMD 3000 89W : Max 66W : Intermediate 35W : Min Western Digital Raptor 740GD 8.4W : Read/Write But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest? Mark -----Original Message----- From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at 100+ watts just for the CPU. The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this model, > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 > watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a small > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the fans > in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past few > > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my > desk > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my > current > > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming machine, > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > > ____ > > $848 Total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > John, > > > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine and > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives from > > NewEgg was $192. > > > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got to > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's workstation. > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into > Setup > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't > want > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do any > > product support; thus their low prices. > > > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > > > Steve > > > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > > in > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if you > > > buy > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > > machine in > > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > > motherboards > > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > > forever. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 25 12:19:45 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <012001c4bab1$6038cf10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the battle. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles Gustav: I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > program. > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > at the main page of the properties page. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > Dear List: > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > this? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 25 12:36:52 2004 From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:36:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation Message-ID: <20041025173652.HYAV8988.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I thought I had read that AMD was specifying 300 watt power supplies minimum for any Athlon system but I could be wrong. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon PM 01:16:21 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far. My > current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:( > ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than > 300W). The rest of the info is below. The optical drive is negligible > because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for > that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope). > > AMD 3000 > 89W : Max > 66W : Intermediate > 35W : Min > > > Western Digital Raptor 740GD > 8.4W : Read/Write > > > But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if > components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest? > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:11 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of > power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more > watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at > the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at > 100+ watts just for the CPU. > > The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out > for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration. > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this > model, > > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an > > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 > > watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard > > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. > > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a > small > > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small > > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the > fans > > in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past > few > > > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my > > desk > > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my > > current > > > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > > > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming > machine, > > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > > > > > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > > > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > > > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > > > > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > > > > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > > > > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > > > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > > > ____ > > > $848 Total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine > and > > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives > from > > > NewEgg was $192. > > > > > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got > to > > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's > workstation. > > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into > > Setup > > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't > > want > > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do > any > > > product support; thus their low prices. > > > > > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > > > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > > > > in > > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if > you > > > > buy > > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > > > machine in > > > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > > > motherboards > > > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > > > forever. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 13:08:23 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <009901c4babd$9e300930$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: I think when I tried that I lost my MAPI whatever that was and the 'Send To' didn't work at all. Should I try that anyway? Have to uninstall both )2000 and )97. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the > battle. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > Gustav: > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > program. > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 12:13:17 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:13:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen In-Reply-To: <011401c4bab0$634b0d90$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <20041025153630.ZHBC27476.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> <011401c4bab0$634b0d90$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:33:41 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Bryan: > > I'm an old guy. I'm having trouble seeing 1024 x 768. :) > > 1920 x 1200 would make everything too teeny, I think. See what other options are available in your Display Properties. 1920x1200 was the only example I could find for my video card. But if you first and divide it by the second, you should get something like 1.6, 1.7 or there abouts. If you get 1.333 you will have a squished image. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com Mon Oct 25 13:18:09 2004 From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:18:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050937A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> How about 1440 x 900? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff at outbaktech.com -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Bryan: I'm an old guy. I'm having trouble seeing 1024 x 768. :) 1920 x 1200 would make everything too teeny, I think. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio > > distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like > > rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find anything > > about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone know > > anything about this? > > You'll probably get this twice, but here goes again: > > You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 > ish (i.e. 1920x1200) > > 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the > image sqished looking. > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 12:43:48 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:43:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <001e01c4baba$2f4c4ef0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. TIA, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the > battle. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > Gustav: > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > program. > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 13:47:33 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:47:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen References: <20041025153630.ZHBC27476.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> <011401c4bab0$634b0d90$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <012601c4bac3$17369a60$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Bryan: I would think it would be just the opposite - the close to 1:1 the less distortion you'd get. On all my other monitors the 1.3 ratio - 1024x768, 600x800 - displays OK. Hey! I just tried the highest res - 1280x800 which is 1.6 and it's okay. Everything's square. Just need to get out my cheaters. :) Best, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:33:41 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access > Software wrote: > > Bryan: > > > > I'm an old guy. I'm having trouble seeing 1024 x 768. :) > > > > 1920 x 1200 would make everything too teeny, I think. > > See what other options are available in your Display Properties. > 1920x1200 was the only example I could find for my video card. > > But if you first and divide it by the second, you should get something > like 1.6, 1.7 or there abouts. If you get 1.333 you will have a > squished image. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 13:48:34 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:48:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050937A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> Message-ID: <013001c4bac3$3b487590$6701a8c0@HAL9002> It won't go there. 1280x900 is a high as it goes. But I tried that an it squares things up. But it's pretty itty-bitty. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Barrows" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > How about 1440 x 900? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff at outbaktech.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > > Bryan: > > I'm an old guy. I'm having trouble seeing 1024 x 768. :) > > 1920 x 1200 would make everything too teeny, I think. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > > > My new laptop has a nice wide screen. However, the aspect ratio > > > distorts things - stretched them horizontally. Squares look like > > > rectangles. I've looked at the documentation but can't find > anything > > > about adjusting the display so that squares are squares. Anyone > know > > > anything about this? > > > > You'll probably get this twice, but here goes again: > > > > You will need to change your desktop resolution to one that is 16x9 > > ish (i.e. 1920x1200) > > > > 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200 are all 4x3 format which will make the > > image sqished looking. > > > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 13:05:30 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <00ab01c4baa7$adfa18d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <14634728536.20041025180600@cactus.dk> <012001c4bab1$6038cf10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <11737101168.20041025184533@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <008301c4babd$3af92bd0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Gustav: I went to IE but OE isn't an option in the tool-internet options-email program - only Outlook. Don't know why OE disappeared form this list. Anymore ideas? TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky > > You may need to restart the machine. > If that doesn't help you must google to find the trick. > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 18:40 > > > Gustav: > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > Rocky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > >> Hi Rocky > >> > >> Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > >> program. > >> In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > >> at the main page of the properties page. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Oct 25 14:37:51 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:37:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309EB37E@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB94F@ADGSERVER> I think the 300w requirement for your video card is for the whole system. IE., they say you should have a 300w min PS in the system to use that video card. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far. My current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:( ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than 300W). The rest of the info is below. The optical drive is negligible because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope). AMD 3000 89W : Max 66W : Intermediate 35W : Min Western Digital Raptor 740GD 8.4W : Read/Write But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest? Mark From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 25 15:51:03 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:51:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation In-Reply-To: <20041025173652.HYAV8988.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Latest batch of Athlons needs a 450 to be safe. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I thought I had read that AMD was specifying 300 watt power supplies minimum for any Athlon system but I could be wrong. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon PM 01:16:21 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far. My > current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:( > ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than > 300W). The rest of the info is below. The optical drive is negligible > because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for > that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope). > > AMD 3000 > 89W : Max > 66W : Intermediate > 35W : Min > > > Western Digital Raptor 740GD > 8.4W : Read/Write > > > But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if > components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest? > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:11 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of > power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more > watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at > the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at > 100+ watts just for the CPU. > > The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out > for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration. > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this > model, > > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an > > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 > > watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard > > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. > > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a > small > > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small > > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the > fans > > in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" > > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past > few > > > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my > > desk > > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my > > current > > > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > > > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming > machine, > > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > > > > > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > > > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > > > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > > > > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > > > > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > > > > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > > > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > > > ____ > > > $848 Total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine > and > > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives > from > > > NewEgg was $192. > > > > > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got > to > > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's > workstation. > > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into > > Setup > > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't > > want > > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do > any > > > product support; thus their low prices. > > > > > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > > > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > > > From: "John W. Colby" > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > > > > in > > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if > you > > > > buy > > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > > > machine in > > > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > > > motherboards > > > > with a video chip on the mb. Good enough to get you by, perhaps > > > > forever. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 25 15:51:05 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:51:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <001e01c4baba$2f4c4ef0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, Just got back in for a short stop. You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles John: It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. TIA, Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the > battle. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > Gustav: > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > program. > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and it > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm using. > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has something > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Mon Oct 25 20:21:04 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:21:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen In-Reply-To: <012601c4bac3$17369a60$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <417D6E40.30215.9E98AF@localhost> On 25 Oct 2004 at 11:47, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > I would think it would be just the opposite - the close to 1:1 the > less distortion you'd get. On all my other monitors the 1.3 ratio - Actually no. A "standard" computer monitor is 4 units wide by 3 units high, not square. Which is the same ratio as a standard definition TV. The Wide-screen monitors/TVs are 16 units wide by 9 units high. So when you do the math: 4/3 = 1.333 16/9 = 1.7778 So a wide screen needs a resolution that divides out somewhere near 1.6-1.8 We won't even get to taking a computer image and stuffing it into a TV broadcast system. We have a full day long course that deals with that at work!!! (Let's just say that computers monitors have square pixels and TVs are rectangular pixels and converting back and forth can be problematic :( > okay. Everything's square. Just need to get out my cheaters. :) Glad it's sorted out and square :) But cheaters are a good thing. I use 'em all day long!! :) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms up later, the damage remains. From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 20:27:05 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:27:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <010601c4bafa$e760af00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > Just got back in for a short stop. > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > TIA, > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the > > battle. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > program. > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and > it > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > using. > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > something > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > this? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 21:21:43 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:21:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen References: <417D6E40.30215.9E98AF@localhost> Message-ID: <011901c4bb02$88f2aab0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Bryan: A bit OT but when I switched to soft lenses from hard the optimist made an error in my correction and I ended up with monovision - one eye slightly undercorrected, one eye slightly over. Next day I went til noon, reading the paper, working, when suddenly I realized I wasn't wearing my readers! I felt like the revivalist that just threw away his crutches. I called my eye doc and raved about him and his assistant until they checked the numbers and found out my miracle cure was due to a mistake. I made him promise not to correct the mistake. No more cheaters and the envy of my peers. I read menus in dimly lit restaurants! But you might try it. If you wear contacts you can just change the powers slightly and test it out. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen > On 25 Oct 2004 at 11:47, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > I would think it would be just the opposite - the close to 1:1 the > > less distortion you'd get. On all my other monitors the 1.3 ratio - > > Actually no. A "standard" computer monitor is 4 units wide by 3 units > high, not square. Which is the same ratio as a standard definition > TV. > > The Wide-screen monitors/TVs are 16 units wide by 9 units high. > So when you do the math: > > 4/3 = 1.333 > 16/9 = 1.7778 > > So a wide screen needs a resolution that divides out somewhere near > 1.6-1.8 > > We won't even get to taking a computer image and stuffing it into a > TV broadcast system. We have a full day long course that deals with > that at work!!! (Let's just say that computers monitors have square > pixels and TVs are rectangular pixels and converting back and forth > can be problematic :( > > > okay. Everything's square. Just need to get out my cheaters. :) > > Glad it's sorted out and square :) > > But cheaters are a good thing. I use 'em all day long!! :) > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms > up later, the damage remains. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 25 21:29:35 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:29:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <010601c4bafa$e760af00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > Just got back in for a short stop. > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > TIA, > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without the > > battle. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it seems > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > program. > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email and > it > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > using. > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > something > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do with > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > this? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Mon Oct 25 21:55:00 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server In-Reply-To: <20041025064232.368947002.serbach@new.rr.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> <20041025064232.368947002.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <417DBC84.3070503@rogers.com> Steven W. Erbach wrote: >Arthur, > >I see that the SRP for it is $899 for 16 users. What's the outfit you work for again? Is your company planning to purchase it? > >Steve Erbach >Neenah, WI > > > > >>------------Original Message------------ >>From: Arthur Fuller >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >>Date: Fri, Oct-22-2004 12:11 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server >> >>I just installed this on my oldest and trustiest box, and WOW. I've >>installed some previous Suses as well as Mandrake and RedHat, and IMO >>Novell has done its homework on this baby. Lots of stuff that was a >>hassle before is all installed and configured automatically. Samba was >>already installed and configured and once I supplied passwords I could >>get to every other box on the network -- Windows XP boxes, Win2K boxes, >> >>and 2 other Linux boxes. For some reason Mandrake had trouble with my >>network card, pretty much a standard Ethernet card, but Suse had no >>problem. >> >>Once it was running I even played some music that was sitting on a >>Windows box. Then I burned a CD from an ISO and then a DVD, no problem! >> >>No futzing about, just dropped in the media and clicked, dragged and >>dropped and I was away to the races. >> >>Linux installs get better and better, but I must say this one is the >>best I have seen to date. Not that I've tried every single version of >>every single distro, but this one is a dazzler. Now I just have to >>install a few packages that weren't on the CDs and I'm away to the >>races! >> >>Arthur >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > I'm a consultant for several companies, which I think is newspeak for "hooker". I have a copy for my own network and so far that's it. But I will be recommending it to all my clients (Johns?) from here on in. As a file/print/ftp/web server, I think it's unsurpassed. From artful at rogers.com Mon Oct 25 21:59:56 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:59:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Are Us In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417DBDAC.4040001@rogers.com> I found a site that lets you create free blogs, and I have created one. It is all over the map. Those interested might visit http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com. From there you should be able to get to the site that allows you to create your own blog. A. From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Oct 25 22:57:27 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:57:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <018f01c4bb0f$e8df2c20$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Check. Will try in the morning when I'm fresh. Now I dimly recall (see my other post about being old) that when I uninstalled Outlook - one of them, can't remember which - my attempt to 'Send To'-->Recipient was met with some kind of rudeness about not having MAPI. Have no idea what that means but does it give you pause? Or full steam ahead? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > the > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > seems > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > program. > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > and > > it > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > using. > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > something > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > with > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Oct 25 23:29:58 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:29:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <018f01c4bb0f$e8df2c20$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, I haven't had this issue. I recall seeing instructionsonhow to install MAPI without Outlook but I'd have to search hgh and low for them because I've never had an issue that called for them. If this is an issue let me know and I'll search for them. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles Check. Will try in the morning when I'm fresh. Now I dimly recall (see my other post about being old) that when I uninstalled Outlook - one of them, can't remember which - my attempt to 'Send To'-->Recipient was met with some kind of rudeness about not having MAPI. Have no idea what that means but does it give you pause? Or full steam ahead? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > the > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > seems > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > program. > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > and > > it > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > using. > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > something > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > with > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 00:14:45 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:14:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <01de01c4bb1a$b53e0160$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Thanks. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > I haven't had this issue. I recall seeing instructionsonhow to install MAPI > without Outlook but I'd have to search hgh and low for them because I've > never had an issue that called for them. If this is an issue let me know and > I'll search for them. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:57 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > Check. Will try in the morning when I'm fresh. > > Now I dimly recall (see my other post about being old) that when I > uninstalled Outlook - one of them, can't remember which - my attempt to > 'Send To'-->Recipient was met with some kind of rudeness about not having > MAPI. > > Have no idea what that means but does it give you pause? Or full steam > ahead? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > > the > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So > I > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > seems > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > program. > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > program > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > > and > > > it > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > > using. > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > something > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > > with > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 26 02:13:52 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:13:52 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Novell Suse Linux Enterprise Server In-Reply-To: <417DBC84.3070503@rogers.com> References: <4166ACD9.3000403@rogers.com> <41793E28.6020204@rogers.com> <20041025064232.368947002.serbach@new.rr.com> <417DBC84.3070503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1851507457.20041026091352@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur >>I see that the SRP for it is $899 for 16 users. What's the outfit you work for again? Is your company planning to purchase it? > I'm a consultant for several companies, which I think is newspeak for > "hooker". I have a copy for my own network and so far that's it. But I > will be recommending it to all my clients (Johns?) from here on in. As a > file/print/ftp/web server, I think it's unsurpassed. It is. By Novell's own NetWare 6.5 Small Business Server. /gustav From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Tue Oct 26 03:56:51 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:56:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen In-Reply-To: <011901c4bb02$88f2aab0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <417DD913.21595.276EB5@localhost> On 25 Oct 2004 at 19:21, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > A bit OT but when I switched to soft lenses from hard the optimist > made an error in my correction and I ended up with monovision - one > eye slightly undercorrected, one eye slightly over. Next day I went > til noon, reading the paper, working, when suddenly I realized I > wasn't wearing my readers! > I made him promise not to correct the mistake. No more cheaters and > the envy of my peers. I read menus in dimly lit restaurants! Mistakes can be a good thing. :) > But you might try it. If you wear contacts you can just change the > powers slightly and test it out. I need them not for the corrective powers, but because flourescent lights and monitors in conjunction with each other plays havoc with my eyes. If I don't wear them while using a computer under flourescent lighting I get massive headaches. I can work under flourescents all day just fine without my glasses, as long as I don't use a computer. I can use my computer at home all day long with out my glasses just fine, because we only have incandescent bulbs in our lights. Even when I am commuting and using the laptop, I need my glasses. The commuter train I take uses flourescent light for its lighting and I notice it after a while if I don't use them. It took 2 eye doctors to figure it out. The glasses I use have a minimal rose coloured tint and it helps. But, If I am talking to someone I need to take them off, otherwise I can't focus properly. So no contacts for me. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Oct 26 04:00:03 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:00:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2BA@ALCUXB> I have a similar thing with the fluorescent lights at work, but I've solved it by buying a desk lamp with a "daylight" blub in it... it's a normal looking bulb except it has a blue tint, which gives off a much cleaner whiter light than normal bulbs, and isn't anywhere enar as harsh as a fluorescent tube. Much nicer to work with. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: 26 October 2004 09:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wide Screen On 25 Oct 2004 at 19:21, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > A bit OT but when I switched to soft lenses from hard the optimist > made an error in my correction and I ended up with monovision - one > eye slightly undercorrected, one eye slightly over. Next day I went > til noon, reading the paper, working, when suddenly I realized I > wasn't wearing my readers! > I made him promise not to correct the mistake. No more cheaters and > the envy of my peers. I read menus in dimly lit restaurants! Mistakes can be a good thing. :) > But you might try it. If you wear contacts you can just change the > powers slightly and test it out. I need them not for the corrective powers, but because flourescent lights and monitors in conjunction with each other plays havoc with my eyes. If I don't wear them while using a computer under flourescent lighting I get massive headaches. I can work under flourescents all day just fine without my glasses, as long as I don't use a computer. I can use my computer at home all day long with out my glasses just fine, because we only have incandescent bulbs in our lights. Even when I am commuting and using the laptop, I need my glasses. The commuter train I take uses flourescent light for its lighting and I notice it after a while if I don't use them. It took 2 eye doctors to figure it out. The glasses I use have a minimal rose coloured tint and it helps. But, If I am talking to someone I need to take them off, otherwise I can't focus properly. So no contacts for me. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 14:14:00 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:14:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to working OK again. TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Rocky, > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > the > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So I > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > seems > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > program. > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > and > > it > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > using. > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > something > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > with > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Oct 26 14:22:31 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:22:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <17145226402.20041026212231@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky Why not open OE and ask it to act as the default mailer? /gustav > Date: 2004-10-26 21:14 > John: > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > working OK again. >> > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program >> > > > at the main page of the properties page. From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 14:27:01 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:27:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000701c4bb91$c52ab920$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: Just restarted and I'm getting that dialog box again. Will remove outlook from O97 now and see what happens Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > John: > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > working OK again. > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > > the > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So > I > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > seems > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > program. > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > program > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > > and > > > it > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > > using. > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > something > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > > with > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 14:36:52 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:36:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000b01c4bb93$24bd9f50$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: Fixed it. Law of averages I guess. Something finally worked. I googled a site: http://windowsxp.mvps.org/sendtomail.htm and copied these two commands into the Run box: MSIMN.EXE /REG regsvr32 "%ProgramFiles%\Outlook Express\msoe.dll" Then OE showed up in my internet options programs mail program combo box and all is well. Windows...you gotta love it... Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > John: > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > working OK again. > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > > the > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So > I > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > seems > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > program. > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > program > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > > and > > > it > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > > using. > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > something > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > > with > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 14:38:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:38:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <029801c4bb8f$f3600450$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <17145226402.20041026212231@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001101c4bb93$5ab3b590$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Gustav: I tried that but it unset itself every time I did it. Anyway the problem was solved by repeatedly banging my head against the keyboard until the software finally relented. See my last post to John. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky > > Why not open OE and ask it to act as the default mailer? > > /gustav > > > > Date: 2004-10-26 21:14 > > > John: > > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you > > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > > working OK again. > > >> > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail program > >> > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 17:56:23 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:56:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Are Us In-Reply-To: <417DBDAC.4040001@rogers.com> References: <417DBDAC.4040001@rogers.com> Message-ID: cool, I actually have one running now at pcthis.blogspot.com (see tagline) and have a concept for one called sqlthis.blogspot.com, I haven't written anything w/ sqlthis, wich is sadly due to lack of time, but will do so soon. On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:59:56 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I found a site that lets you create free blogs, and I have created one. > It is all over the map. Those interested might visit > http://artfulramblings.blogspot.com. From there you should be able to > get to the site that allows you to create your own blog. -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 26 18:25:25 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:25:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <000b01c4bb93$24bd9f50$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Glad it worked out for you! Problems similar to yours prompted me to form the opinion that I don't install Outlook on machines where the user doesn't specifically ask for it. The other standard ms office apps don't affect everything under the sun so they all go on, but outlook is "by request only". I install it when requested but I generally remove OE right away too. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles John: Fixed it. Law of averages I guess. Something finally worked. I googled a site: http://windowsxp.mvps.org/sendtomail.htm and copied these two commands into the Run box: MSIMN.EXE /REG regsvr32 "%ProgramFiles%\Outlook Express\msoe.dll" Then OE showed up in my internet options programs mail program combo box and all is well. Windows...you gotta love it... Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > John: > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do you > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > working OK again. > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Rocky, > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. It > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps are > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with the > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default without > > the > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. So > I > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > seems > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default again. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > program. > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > program > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and email > > and > > > it > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what I'm > > > using. > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > something > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to do > > with > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 19:01:55 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:01:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <00a901c4bbb8$2c543830$6701a8c0@HAL9002> So you prefer OE to Outlook? I use OE but always thought it was kind of Outlook Light for those of us who didn't want to drag around all or need that Outlook functionality. The only thing I found in Outlook I like better is the spell checker. It will correct ofthe to of the - stuff like that. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky, > Glad it worked out for you! > > Problems similar to yours prompted me to form the opinion that I don't > install Outlook on machines where the user doesn't specifically ask for it. > The other standard ms office apps don't affect everything under the sun so > they all go on, but outlook is "by request only". I install it when > requested but I generally remove OE right away too. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:37 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: > > Fixed it. Law of averages I guess. Something finally worked. I googled a > site: > > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/sendtomail.htm > > and copied these two commands into the Run box: > > MSIMN.EXE /REG > regsvr32 "%ProgramFiles%\Outlook Express\msoe.dll" > > Then OE showed up in my internet options programs mail program combo box and > all is well. > > Windows...you gotta love it... > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > John: > > > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do > you > > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > > working OK again. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. > It > > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps > are > > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with > the > > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default > without > > > the > > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. > So > > I > > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > > seems > > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default > again. > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > > program. > > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > > program > > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and > email > > > and > > > > it > > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what > I'm > > > > using. > > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > > something > > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to > do > > > with > > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Tue Oct 26 19:54:31 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:54:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <00a901c4bbb8$2c543830$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Well not really. OE is just for email and it does that good enough. Outlook is a PIM and is a RAM hog. It always consumes 15-30 MB of RAM while running on my system. Its slow, the searches can't find anything, task, contacts, appointments are linked well if at all - and that takes effort. Its basically the PIM version of spaghetti code. And all the security stuff they keep forcing on me is driving me nuts. Every time I turn off one thing the put another restriction in when I patch the beast. OE isn't much different in that regards though. Outlook is nice for spell checking and you can use Word as the editor if you want but sometimes the spellchecker does things to my email that I don't catch and that's embarrassing! I use Outlook because the software sheep do and there's no better way to know something than to use it. I used to use Lotus Organizer and OE as the integrated email program. Now that was sweet. I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook games... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles So you prefer OE to Outlook? I use OE but always thought it was kind of Outlook Light for those of us who didn't want to drag around all or need that Outlook functionality. The only thing I found in Outlook I like better is the spell checker. It will correct ofthe to of the - stuff like that. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Hi Rocky, > Glad it worked out for you! > > Problems similar to yours prompted me to form the opinion that I don't > install Outlook on machines where the user doesn't specifically ask for it. > The other standard ms office apps don't affect everything under the sun so > they all go on, but outlook is "by request only". I install it when > requested but I generally remove OE right away too. > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:37 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > John: > > Fixed it. Law of averages I guess. Something finally worked. I googled a > site: > > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/sendtomail.htm > > and copied these two commands into the Run box: > > MSIMN.EXE /REG > regsvr32 "%ProgramFiles%\Outlook Express\msoe.dll" > > Then OE showed up in my internet options programs mail program combo box and > all is well. > > Windows...you gotta love it... > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > John: > > > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the mail > > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select from > > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do > you > > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > > working OK again. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bartow" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common dialog. > It > > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps > are > > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common dialog. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with > the > > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default > without > > > the > > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. > So > > I > > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause it > > > seems > > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default > again. > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > > program. > > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > > program > > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and > email > > > and > > > > it > > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what > I'm > > > > using. > > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > > something > > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to > do > > > with > > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Oct 26 20:42:47 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:42:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: Message-ID: <00c301c4bbc6$434b65f0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> I already switched to Firefox. It's not as snappy as IE but since it's less vulnerable (so they say) I'm using it. Guess I'll have to try Thunderbird. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Well not really. OE is just for email and it does that good enough. Outlook > is a PIM and is a RAM hog. It always consumes 15-30 MB of RAM while running > on my system. Its slow, the searches can't find anything, task, contacts, > appointments are linked well if at all - and that takes effort. Its > basically the PIM version of spaghetti code. And all the security stuff they > keep forcing on me is driving me nuts. Every time I turn off one thing the > put another restriction in when I patch the beast. OE isn't much different > in that regards though. > > Outlook is nice for spell checking and you can use Word as the editor if you > want but sometimes the spellchecker does things to my email that I don't > catch and that's embarrassing! > > I use Outlook because the software sheep do and there's no better way to > know something than to use it. > > I used to use Lotus Organizer and OE as the integrated email program. Now > that was sweet. > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox and > Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook games... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:02 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > So you prefer OE to Outlook? I use OE but always thought it was kind of > Outlook Light for those of us who didn't want to drag around all or need > that Outlook functionality. The only thing I found in Outlook I like better > is the spell checker. It will correct ofthe to of the - stuff like that. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Hi Rocky, > > Glad it worked out for you! > > > > Problems similar to yours prompted me to form the opinion that I don't > > install Outlook on machines where the user doesn't specifically ask for > it. > > The other standard ms office apps don't affect everything under the sun so > > they all go on, but outlook is "by request only". I install it when > > requested but I generally remove OE right away too. > > > > John B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:37 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > John: > > > > Fixed it. Law of averages I guess. Something finally worked. I googled > a > > site: > > > > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/sendtomail.htm > > > > and copied these two commands into the Run box: > > > > MSIMN.EXE /REG > > regsvr32 "%ProgramFiles%\Outlook Express\msoe.dll" > > > > Then OE showed up in my internet options programs mail program combo box > and > > all is well. > > > > Windows...you gotta love it... > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > Making some progress. Removed Outlook 2k. But send to doesn't send > > > anything - IOW it doesn't make an OE mail. That's because to set the > mail > > > preference I use IE-->Tools-->Internet Options-->Programs and select > from > > > the E-mail combo box. But at the moment, there's nothing in there. Do > > you > > > know how I can get OE to show up there? Then I think it'll be back to > > > working OK again. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:29 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > Yes. I'd do them backwards i.e. remove O2k then O97. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > John: For both O2K and O97? I have both installed. > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:51 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > Just got back in for a short stop. > > > > > > > > > > You have to use the MS Office Add/Repair/Modify/Remove common > dialog. > > It > > > > > should be listed as MS Office but IIRC if any of that version's apps > > are > > > > > listed in the Add/Remove applet they will bring up the common > dialog. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:44 PM > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John: > > > > > > > > > > It's not on the add/remove programs list. Do I have to do that with > > the > > > > > Office disk? I have both O97 and O2000 Outlooks installed. > > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John Bartow" > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:19 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > > > If you're not using Outlook uninstall it, then OE will default > > without > > > > the > > > > > > battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > > > > - Beach Access Software > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:41 AM > > > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustav: > > > > > > > > > > > > I see that on the general tab is says that OE is not the default. > > So > > > I > > > > > > click the button to make it the default and after a longish pause > it > > > > seems > > > > > > to work. But when I go back to check it, it's not the default > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:06 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like you have installed Outlook 2003 as your default mail > > > > > > > program. > > > > > > > In OE you should be able to set it (back) as the default mail > > > program > > > > > > > at the main page of the properties page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 2004-10-25 17:31 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Used to be I could right click a file and select WinZip and > > email > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > would do it, popping up an email in Outlook Express which is what > > I'm > > > > > using. > > > > > > Suddenly, things changed. Now I get a little > > > > > > > > dialog box that wants me to choose a profile. I think it has > > > > > something > > > > > > to do with Microsoft Exchange but I don't want to have anything to > > do > > > > with > > > > > > Microsoft Exchange. Anyone know how I can 'unset' > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 26 21:37:04 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:37:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c4bbb8$2c543830$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <417F9670.21825.DBDE740@lexacorp.com.pg> On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox and > Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook games... > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail http://www.pmail.com -- Stuart From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Oct 26 22:44:01 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:44:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <00a901c4bbb8$2c543830$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <417F9670.21825.DBDE740@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <417F1981.6000807@shaw.ca> I still use Pine on a Sun OS Stuart McLachlan wrote: >On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > >>I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox and >>Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook games... >> >> >> > >Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail >http://www.pmail.com > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 27 04:08:59 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:08:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <417F9670.21825.DBDE740@lexacorp.com.pg> References: Message-ID: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > games... > > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > http://www.pmail.com Seconded!! It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 05:18:25 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:18:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> Message-ID: <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Just my 2 roubles: I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a while - yes, it looks good and useful... ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > > games... > > > > > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > > http://www.pmail.com > > Seconded!! > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 07:50:02 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:50:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Why did you go back? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Just my 2 roubles: > > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a while - > yes, it looks good and useful... > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > > > games... > > > > > > > > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > > > http://www.pmail.com > > > > Seconded!! > > > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > > > > -- > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 08:59:45 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:59:45 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > Why did you go back? Becoming conservative? Thunderbird is really good but I found they are simulating Oulook Express's look&feel, yes they do that very well, they introduce their own useful features, which I didn't see in Outlook Express but I didn't find I need a lot these features and I switched back mainly because they don't have Export feature and because Import feature doesn't allow to define the import location... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Why did you go back? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > Just my 2 roubles: > > > > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a > while - > > yes, it looks good and useful... > > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) > > > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > > > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox > > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > > > > games... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > > > > http://www.pmail.com > > > > > > Seconded!! > > > > > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > > > > > > -- > > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 09:01:29 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ Message-ID: <001101c4bc2d$79393900$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, Anybody tried to find work through http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? Did it work? TIA, Shamil From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 09:34:16 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:34:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall Message-ID: <001801c4bc32$0f6f5e00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any downside/upside? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 09:36:00 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:36:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> My main reason for looking at these alternatives is vulnerability to attack. Firefox is supposed to be safer. Otherwise, not being a big power user I'm happy with IE and OE. Any security reason to switch out of OE that you know of? Regards, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles >> Why did you go back? > Becoming conservative? > > Thunderbird is really good but I found they are simulating Oulook > Express's > look&feel, yes they do that very well, they introduce their own useful > features, which I didn't see in Outlook Express but I didn't find I need a > lot these features and I switched back mainly because they don't have > Export > feature and because Import feature doesn't allow to define the import > location... > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > >> Why did you go back? >> >> Rocky >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles >> >> >> > Just my 2 roubles: >> > >> > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a >> while - >> > yes, it looks good and useful... >> > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) >> > >> > Shamil >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM >> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles >> > >> > >> > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> > > >> > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox >> > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook >> > > > > games... >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail >> > > > http://www.pmail.com >> > > >> > > Seconded!! >> > > >> > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca >> > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > dba-Tech mailing list >> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 27 09:37:24 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:37:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2D0@ALCUXB> I wouldn't bother with the windows one if you already have the other anyway. There is such a thing as too paranoid, even for an IT man! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 27 October 2004 15:34 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any downside/upside? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 27 09:41:35 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:41:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall In-Reply-To: <001801c4bc32$0f6f5e00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, No, turn it off. Also if you have Norton's firewall you'll want to remove that or Zone Alarm. Having more than one firewall is a drag on the system and can cause conflicts. Same with AVs. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:34 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any downside/upside? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Oct 27 09:55:28 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:55:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309FB98A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB963@ADGSERVER> I agree with Jon, you don't need anything else. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:37 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall I wouldn't bother with the windows one if you already have the other anyway. There is such a thing as too paranoid, even for an IT man! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 27 October 2004 15:34 To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any downside/upside? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 09:59:05 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:59:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:36:00 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > My main reason for looking at these alternatives is vulnerability to attack. > Firefox is supposed to be safer. Otherwise, not being a big power user I'm > happy with IE and OE. Any security reason to switch out of OE that you know > of? It uses the IE engine to display HTML mail, and maybe plain text too. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From tim at irwingreenhouses.com Wed Oct 27 10:07:30 2004 From: tim at irwingreenhouses.com (Tim Thiessen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:07:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software Message-ID: <000001c4bc36$af296cc0$7800a8c0@timt> Several weeks ago, there was a thread about free software. I would like to switch from Outlook to Pegasus Mail but I use the Tasks, Calander, and Contacts a lot in Outlook. Does anyone know of something similar that is freeware? Tim Thiessen From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 10:13:27 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:13:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Rocky, I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers crossed :)) And its current version has the features to switch off all possible automatic activations, you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted sites only and if you'll have NAV with real time check then I don't see what on Earth may harm your PC... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > My main reason for looking at these alternatives is vulnerability to attack. > Firefox is supposed to be safer. Otherwise, not being a big power user I'm > happy with IE and OE. Any security reason to switch out of OE that you know > of? > > Regards, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:59 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > >> Why did you go back? > > Becoming conservative? > > > > Thunderbird is really good but I found they are simulating Oulook > > Express's > > look&feel, yes they do that very well, they introduce their own useful > > features, which I didn't see in Outlook Express but I didn't find I need a > > lot these features and I switched back mainly because they don't have > > Export > > feature and because Import feature doesn't allow to define the import > > location... > > > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > >> Why did you go back? > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > >> > >> > >> > Just my 2 roubles: > >> > > >> > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a > >> while - > >> > yes, it looks good and useful... > >> > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) > >> > > >> > Shamil > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM > >> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). Firefox > >> > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > >> > > > > games... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > >> > > > http://www.pmail.com > >> > > > >> > > Seconded!! > >> > > > >> > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > >> > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed Oct 27 10:33:13 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:33:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB963@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <417FBFB9.1040904@shaw.ca> As I understand it the WinXP firewall comes up right after the boot and something like Zone Alarm maybe installed say 90 seconds later, if you dont use the WinXP firewall aren't you exposed naked to the Net for that amount of time. Or is there a way around this? Bobby Heid wrote: >I agree with Jon, you don't need anything else. > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:37 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I wouldn't bother with the windows one if you already have the other anyway. >There is such a thing as too paranoid, even for an IT man! :-) > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >Sent: 27 October 2004 15:34 >To: dba-tech >Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. > >Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any >downside/upside? > >TIA > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Oct 27 10:36:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:36:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2D4@ALCUXB> The main zonealarm program might come up after the 90 seconds, but the service itself is started on bootup. It's a two part thing, the interface and the actual "blocker" program. Jon -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: 27 October 2004 16:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall As I understand it the WinXP firewall comes up right after the boot and something like Zone Alarm maybe installed say 90 seconds later, if you dont use the WinXP firewall aren't you exposed naked to the Net for that amount of time. Or is there a way around this? Bobby Heid wrote: >I agree with Jon, you don't need anything else. > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:37 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I wouldn't bother with the windows one if you already have the other anyway. >There is such a thing as too paranoid, even for an IT man! :-) > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >Sent: 27 October 2004 15:34 >To: dba-tech >Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. > >Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any >downside/upside? > >TIA > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 10:51:20 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:51:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: Famous last words, I dropped OE as soon as I found hotmail popper, this utility gives me client access to my hotmail email. Otherwise I would have dumped from even before. If your AV should fail because you were hit w/ a newer worm/virus/tojan that could disable your NAV, then you coudl potential infect your pc more w/ OE. I don't say that to try and scare you, but I do believe that if you can move to a better platform why would you NOT do it? COST = $0, everyone's usability is subjective, but imho I think a product such as thunderbird is awesome. Comes w/ built in spam filtering, and doesn not launch potential harmful html content nor mime. JUST a few of the reasons to stray from OE. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:13:27 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Rocky, > > I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. > I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers > crossed :)) > And its current version has the features to switch off all possible > automatic activations, you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted > sites only and if you'll have NAV with real time check then I don't see what > on Earth may harm your PC... > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > My main reason for looking at these alternatives is vulnerability to > attack. > > Firefox is supposed to be safer. Otherwise, not being a big power user > I'm > > happy with IE and OE. Any security reason to switch out of OE that you > know > > of? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > >> Why did you go back? > > > Becoming conservative? > > > > > > Thunderbird is really good but I found they are simulating Oulook > > > Express's > > > look&feel, yes they do that very well, they introduce their own useful > > > features, which I didn't see in Outlook Express but I didn't find I need > a > > > lot these features and I switched back mainly because they don't have > > > Export > > > feature and because Import feature doesn't allow to define the import > > > location... > > > > > > Shamil > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > >> Why did you go back? > > >> > > >> Rocky > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > >> > > >> > > >> > Just my 2 roubles: > > >> > > > >> > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a > > >> while - > > >> > yes, it looks good and useful... > > >> > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) > > >> > > > >> > Shamil > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > >> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM > > >> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). > Firefox > > >> > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > >> > > > > games... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > > >> > > > http://www.pmail.com > > >> > > > > >> > > Seconded!! > > >> > > > > >> > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > > >> > > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > >> > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > dba-Tech mailing list > > >> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 11:13:50 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:13:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > I don't say that to try and scare you, but I do believe that if you > can move to a better platform why would you NOT do it? I like what and how MS doing now. What and how they are doing with .NET is great IMHO. What and how they prepare there MOCs, the quality of the info on their sites is great IMHO. The usability features and user friendliness of their software is great IMHO. So I will (conservatively/stupidly) stay with my good old OE :) Shamil :) P.S. Thunderbird is a very good software too AFAIS - but the discussion is it a better platform than OE promise to be a "religious" one :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > Famous last words, > > I dropped OE as soon as I found hotmail popper, this utility gives me > client access to my hotmail email. Otherwise I would have dumped from > even before. If your AV should fail because you were hit w/ a newer > worm/virus/tojan that could disable your NAV, then you coudl potential > infect your pc more w/ OE. > > I don't say that to try and scare you, but I do believe that if you > can move to a better platform why would you NOT do it? > > COST = $0, everyone's usability is subjective, but imho I think a > product such as thunderbird is awesome. Comes w/ built in spam > filtering, and doesn not launch potential harmful html content nor > mime. > > JUST a few of the reasons to stray from OE. > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:13:27 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov > wrote: > > Rocky, > > > > I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. > > I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers > > crossed :)) > > And its current version has the features to switch off all possible > > automatic activations, you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted > > sites only and if you'll have NAV with real time check then I don't see what > > on Earth may harm your PC... > > > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > My main reason for looking at these alternatives is vulnerability to > > attack. > > > Firefox is supposed to be safer. Otherwise, not being a big power user > > I'm > > > happy with IE and OE. Any security reason to switch out of OE that you > > know > > > of? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > Beach Access Software > > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > >> Why did you go back? > > > > Becoming conservative? > > > > > > > > Thunderbird is really good but I found they are simulating Oulook > > > > Express's > > > > look&feel, yes they do that very well, they introduce their own useful > > > > features, which I didn't see in Outlook Express but I didn't find I need > > a > > > > lot these features and I switched back mainly because they don't have > > > > Export > > > > feature and because Import feature doesn't allow to define the import > > > > location... > > > > > > > > Shamil > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > > > > > > > > > >> Why did you go back? > > > >> > > > >> Rocky > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" > > > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:18 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Just my 2 roubles: > > > >> > > > > >> > I did install Thunderbird yesterday on a new PC, I did used it for a > > > >> while - > > > >> > yes, it looks good and useful... > > > >> > ...and I did return to good old Outlook Express 6.x :) > > > >> > > > > >> > Shamil > > > >> > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > > > >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > >> > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:08 PM > > > >> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On 27 Oct 2004 at 12:37, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On 26 Oct 2004 at 19:54, John Bartow wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I'm looking at Francisco's recommendations (on DBA-Tech). > > Firefox > > > >> > > > > and Thunderbird. I'm really getting sick of the IE and Outlook > > > >> > > > > games... > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Why not go for a really good free email client. Pegasus Mail > > > >> > > > http://www.pmail.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Seconded!! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > It's better than Thunderbird IMHO. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -- > > > >> > > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > > > >> > > Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > -Francisco > Pc This! pc news with out the jargon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 11:20:01 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:20:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:13:50 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > P.S. Thunderbird is a very good software too AFAIS - but the discussion is > it a better platform than OE promise to be a "religious" one :) You're probably right, but Pegasus Mail is better than both of them so why waste time on either -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Oct 27 11:25:59 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:25:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309FB9C0@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB965@ADGSERVER> I use Sygate Personal Firewall Pro (paid version) It blocks any access to the network upon booting until it can get loaded. I do not know about the behavious of ZA, but I would hazard a guess that it is handled properly there also because otherwise that would be a big security hole. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall As I understand it the WinXP firewall comes up right after the boot and something like Zone Alarm maybe installed say 90 seconds later, if you dont use the WinXP firewall aren't you exposed naked to the Net for that amount of time. Or is there a way around this? From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 11:40:12 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:40:12 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > You're probably right, but Pegasus Mail is better than both of them so > why waste time on either I will try it I promise if I ever have a spare time :) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:13:50 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov > wrote: > > > P.S. Thunderbird is a very good software too AFAIS - but the discussion is > > it a better platform than OE promise to be a "religious" one :) > > You're probably right, but Pegasus Mail is better than both of them so > why waste time on either > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Wed Oct 27 12:09:43 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:09:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> From time to time I ponder the following two databases, trying to come up with the optimal design in terms of both space and performance. This is strictly a question of personal interest, and I have no commercial interest in either solution. I simply find them interesting problems, and I thought I'd trot them out in search of feedback from my colleagues here. 1. A database that records chess games. It strikes me that perhaps the most compact way to store a game is by using the modern notation for the moves themselves. But in addition to recording the sequence of moves, the database would also be expected to record situations and be able to compare them. I.e. given two sequences, A and B, that both result in exactly the same position of pieces, irrespective of the number of moves it took to get there, the database should be able to detect this as quickly as possible. For example.... aha! This is exactly the same position that Bobby Fischer faced in year 19xx, when playing somebody at some tournament, but they got here in 11 moves and the current players got here in 13 moves. (The idea behind this requirement is that certain positions have known solutions, i.e. paths to checkmate.) 2. A music database that records (let's keep it simple in version 1) melodies and single-line compositions (i.e. ignoring instrumentation, harmony, counterpoint, etc.). The idea here would be to compare any two rows and determine whether they are identical. For example, George Harrison v. the Ronnettes, for "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" respectively. Ideally, this database should also be able to see past the selected key (in the musical sense), and also the tempo (piece A is identical to piece B but played twice as fast). Perhaps version 2 could also detect that melody A is identical to B except that it is inverted (upside down) or perhaps retrograde (backwards) or even retrograde inverted. Ok, database designers. There you have the specs. Any brilliant ideas out there for solutions? A. P.S. Although these are in fact strictly database issues, I am not going to cross-post to the AccessD and SQL lists because they are so obviously unrelated to the immediate problems most of us have when posting there. From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 12:26:30 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:26:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Desktop Search Message-ID: I've tried Google Destop which is a very COOL tool, but it doesn't index network shares. :( additionally other files I need to search for are not indexed and well that doesn't help me either... I found this other desktop search utility "Copernic" that does allow you to do all that, but of course the results are within it's proprietary window (not a web browser). wich also have some perks. (such as preview) etc. sorta like the x1 search utility anyway here is the link: http://www.copernic.com/ -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Oct 27 12:50:42 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:50:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases Message-ID: Arthur, I believe situation one has been done to the nth degree from a brute-force approach and to just a somewhat lesser degree through an AI/brute-force approach. Situation two however I have contemplated many times on my own, but from a different perspective. All marketing blitzes and airwave playtime aside...I have always pondered why exactly one song can become a hit, and others do not. In my pondering I wondered if simple waveforms can explain patterns of acceptance or non-acceptance. Taken a bit further, does the individuality of the human ear come into play? Is it possible that one group of people "like" a certain sound because their ears "hear" the sound differently. So my thoughts were...if I could take all the billboard hits over the past years and perform a waveform analysis, would similar patterns emerge? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases From time to time I ponder the following two databases, trying to come up with the optimal design in terms of both space and performance. This is strictly a question of personal interest, and I have no commercial interest in either solution. I simply find them interesting problems, and I thought I'd trot them out in search of feedback from my colleagues here. 1. A database that records chess games. It strikes me that perhaps the most compact way to store a game is by using the modern notation for the moves themselves. But in addition to recording the sequence of moves, the database would also be expected to record situations and be able to compare them. I.e. given two sequences, A and B, that both result in exactly the same position of pieces, irrespective of the number of moves it took to get there, the database should be able to detect this as quickly as possible. For example.... aha! This is exactly the same position that Bobby Fischer faced in year 19xx, when playing somebody at some tournament, but they got here in 11 moves and the current players got here in 13 moves. (The idea behind this requirement is that certain positions have known solutions, i.e. paths to checkmate.) 2. A music database that records (let's keep it simple in version 1) melodies and single-line compositions (i.e. ignoring instrumentation, harmony, counterpoint, etc.). The idea here would be to compare any two rows and determine whether they are identical. For example, George Harrison v. the Ronnettes, for "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" respectively. Ideally, this database should also be able to see past the selected key (in the musical sense), and also the tempo (piece A is identical to piece B but played twice as fast). Perhaps version 2 could also detect that melody A is identical to B except that it is inverted (upside down) or perhaps retrograde (backwards) or even retrograde inverted. Ok, database designers. There you have the specs. Any brilliant ideas out there for solutions? A. P.S. Although these are in fact strictly database issues, I am not going to cross-post to the AccessD and SQL lists because they are so obviously unrelated to the immediate problems most of us have when posting there. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Oct 27 13:00:11 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:00:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2D4@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Yes, I think all the major firewall players do it this way. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall The main zonealarm program might come up after the 90 seconds, but the service itself is started on bootup. It's a two part thing, the interface and the actual "blocker" program. Jon -----Original Message----- From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] Sent: 27 October 2004 16:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall As I understand it the WinXP firewall comes up right after the boot and something like Zone Alarm maybe installed say 90 seconds later, if you dont use the WinXP firewall aren't you exposed naked to the Net for that amount of time. Or is there a way around this? Bobby Heid wrote: >I agree with Jon, you don't need anything else. > >Bobby > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:37 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I wouldn't bother with the windows one if you already have the other anyway. >There is such a thing as too paranoid, even for an IT man! :-) > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] >Sent: 27 October 2004 15:34 >To: dba-tech >Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP SP-1 Firewall > > >I'm running Zone Alarm, Norton, and have a firewall in my router. > >Do I need the Win XP Pro firewall as well? Seems like overkill. Any >downside/upside? > >TIA > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >http://www.e-z-mrp.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 13:39:50 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:39:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4bc54$58fb8590$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Arthur, I will dare to advise on the chess database design. Using KISS principle & if we assume you don't care to waste some space & that I didn't miss something here is a possible solution : - position after every move can be represented using 32 bytes(4bits * 64); - you put position information(code) into binary field and create an index on it so you'll have something like: if exists (select * from dbo.sysobjects where id = object_id(N'[dbo].[tblChessGame]') and OBJECTPROPERTY(id, N'IsUserTable') = 1) drop table [dbo].[tblChessGame] GO CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblChessGame] ( [ChessGameId] [int] NOT NULL , [ChessGameMoveNo] [smallint] NOT NULL , [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] [binary] (32) NOT NULL ) ON [PRIMARY] GO CREATE INDEX [IX_PositionMoveNo] ON [dbo].[tblChessGame]([ChessGamePositionAfterMove], [ChessGameMoveNo]) ON [PRIMARY] GO - by using IX_PositionMoveNo index you'll quickly find identical positions happened on the same or on different MoveNo; select * from tblChessGame where ( [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] = 0x0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123) or select * from tblChessGame where ( [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] = 0x0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123 and ChessGameMoveNo = 35) (the positions codes above are only for example of SQL expressions - real codes will never look something like that - they will have at least 32 zeros) - then you can quickly compare the bits and find for the case where there were the same quantity of moves were all the positions of these moves the same or different... Does it looks good for you? Shamil P.S. If you'll care about saving some space then you can pack positions' info - then the max quantity of bytes needed to represent a position will be: 5*32+32 = 192/8 = 28 bytes, min = 8 bytes - empty chess board.... Does it makes sense to complicate the life this way? - I don't think so... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > From time to time I ponder the following two databases, trying to come > up with the optimal design in terms of both space and performance. This > is strictly a question of personal interest, and I have no commercial > interest in either solution. I simply find them interesting problems, > and I thought I'd trot them out in search of feedback from my colleagues > here. > > 1. A database that records chess games. It strikes me that perhaps the > most compact way to store a game is by using the modern notation for the > moves themselves. But in addition to recording the sequence of moves, > the database would also be expected to record situations and be able to > compare them. I.e. given two sequences, A and B, that both result in > exactly the same position of pieces, irrespective of the number of moves > it took to get there, the database should be able to detect this as > quickly as possible. For example.... aha! This is exactly the same > position that Bobby Fischer faced in year 19xx, when playing somebody at > some tournament, but they got here in 11 moves and the current players > got here in 13 moves. (The idea behind this requirement is that certain > positions have known solutions, i.e. paths to checkmate.) > > 2. A music database that records (let's keep it simple in version 1) > melodies and single-line compositions (i.e. ignoring instrumentation, > harmony, counterpoint, etc.). The idea here would be to compare any two > rows and determine whether they are identical. For example, George > Harrison v. the Ronnettes, for "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" > respectively. Ideally, this database should also be able to see past the > selected key (in the musical sense), and also the tempo (piece A is > identical to piece B but played twice as fast). Perhaps version 2 could > also detect that melody A is identical to B except that it is inverted > (upside down) or perhaps retrograde (backwards) or even retrograde inverted. > > Ok, database designers. There you have the specs. Any brilliant ideas > out there for solutions? > > A. > > P.S. > Although these are in fact strictly database issues, I am not going to > cross-post to the AccessD and SQL lists because they are so obviously > unrelated to the immediate problems most of us have when posting there. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 27 17:49:02 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:49:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <4180B27E.31583.1213742C@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Oct 2004 at 19:13, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Rocky, > > I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. > I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers > crossed :)) > And its current version has the features to switch off all possible > automatic activations, That's all "currently known* not "all possible" automatic activations. >you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted It relies on the IE engine for rendering HTML content. How frequently is a new flaw in IE discovered? -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 27 17:53:30 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:53:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Software In-Reply-To: <000001c4bc36$af296cc0$7800a8c0@timt> Message-ID: <4180B38A.799.12178D5E@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Oct 2004 at 10:07, Tim Thiessen wrote: > Several weeks ago, there was a thread about free software. I would like to > switch from Outlook to Pegasus Mail but I use the Tasks, Calander, and > Contacts a lot in Outlook. Does anyone know of something similar that is > freeware? > I use Pegasus Mail plus Palm Desktop Although Palm Desktop was designed to be a Desktop interface to Palm PDAs, it is actually a good standalone desktop app as well. Since it imports/exports vCard/vCal format, it is quite good at synchronising with other apps. It is available as a free download from http://www.palmone.com/us/software/desktop/ -- Stuart From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Oct 27 18:07:39 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:07:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <4180B27E.31583.1213742C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: So turn off HTML in e-mails... do you REALLY need to see e-mail doing web stuff? It's pretty sure, but I'll sacrifice pretty for secure anyday. We do with the dba lists anyway... It's just like turning off all the flashy bits of Windows XP - it makes it perform better and it looks like a real operating system not some thing for kids :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 27 October 2004 23:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles On 27 Oct 2004 at 19:13, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Rocky, > > I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. > I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers > crossed :)) > And its current version has the features to switch off all possible > automatic activations, That's all "currently known* not "all possible" automatic activations. >you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted It relies on the IE engine for rendering HTML content. How frequently is a new flaw in IE discovered? -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 27 18:17:07 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:17:07 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: References: <4180B27E.31583.1213742C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4180B913.20841.122D2439@lexacorp.com.pg> On 28 Oct 2004 at 0:07, Jon Tydda wrote: > So turn off HTML in e-mails... do you REALLY need to see e-mail doing web > stuff? It's pretty sure, but I'll sacrifice pretty for secure anyday. We do > with the dba lists anyway... > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? How do you turn off HTML display in OE? -- Stuart From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 18:36:05 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:36:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <4180B27E.31583.1213742C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01c4bc7d$c644fb80$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > It relies on the IE engine for rendering HTML content. How frequently is a > new flaw in IE discovered? Yes, I know, they are frequently discovered. But I'm brave! :) And I do backups. And I've NAV with real time file system check. And I'm sitting behind my ISP strong firewalls. I never activate attachments without antivirus check. I use now strong Windows 2003. ... It worked well for quite some time for me and for my two elder children who are very often in the Internet - I don't see why it will not work that well in the future... Yes, there is no perfect things in this World. It can be probably broken by evil forces one dark day. But Thunderbird or Pegassus Mail - they can be also broken for sure - all these buffer overrun tricks you know - one dark day one black soul will find a flaw in them and will exploit it... No guys, I will not change my good old OE! :) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > On 27 Oct 2004 at 19:13, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > > Rocky, > > > > I don't see security reasons to switch from OE. > > I persomally use it for ~7 years and I've never had any problems. (Fingers > > crossed :)) > > And its current version has the features to switch off all possible > > automatic activations, > > That's all "currently known* not "all possible" automatic activations. > > >you can set IE security to allow to browse trusted > > It relies on the IE engine for rendering HTML content. How frequently is a > new flaw in IE discovered? > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Wed Oct 27 18:42:37 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:42:37 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <4180B27E.31583.1213742C@lexacorp.com.pg> <4180B913.20841.122D2439@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002801c4bc7e$a685bc20$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> OE v.6 (6.00.3790.0) =============== > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? Tools->Options->Send->Mail Sending Format->Plain Text > How do you turn off HTML display in OE? Tools->Options->Read->Read all messages in plain text Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:17 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > On 28 Oct 2004 at 0:07, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > So turn off HTML in e-mails... do you REALLY need to see e-mail doing web > > stuff? It's pretty sure, but I'll sacrifice pretty for secure anyday. We do > > with the dba lists anyway... > > > > > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? > > How do you turn off HTML display in OE? > > > > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Oct 27 18:50:13 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:50:13 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <002801c4bc7e$a685bc20$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <4180C0D5.4165.124B741C@lexacorp.com.pg> On 28 Oct 2004 at 3:42, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > OE v.6 (6.00.3790.0) > =============== > > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? > Tools->Options->Send->Mail Sending Format->Plain Text > I know that, but how do you get other people to do it! -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Wed Oct 27 19:46:56 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41804180.2050007@rogers.com> Thanks for responding! Doubly interesting.... On the first case, part of the reason I keep coming back to this is that I have a gut feeling that brute force is all wrong for this application. What I have in mind is a sort of double-perspective on any given chess situation -- one that records the sequence and the other that records the absolute position, so that any two positions could be compared very rapidly without having to go through the move-sequences to build it. Not to suggest that the following is anywhere near an optimal model for recording the latter piece, but let's just say it might look something like this.... There are 64 squares and at most two pairs of 16 pieces. (Convenient numbers from a computing viewpoint.) So we could have a 1-D array of 64 elements or a 2-D array of 8*8 elements to reprsent the squares. Regarding the pieces, we need to distinguish white from black, but we do not need to distinguish Queen's knight from King's. The front row (at setup) is an array of 8 pawns; the back row is a ragged array of 3 pairs (rook, knight, bishop) and perhaps another pair or two single-element items, Q and K. To record any given position, we need to note the square of interest, the piece that's sitting on it and the colour of said piece. If we could map this compactly and effectively, we could also search it rapidly, I think. Let's say for the sake of argument that positions P1 and P2 differ by only one piece's position. Let's further say that we have employed a legion of low-wage workers to plug in the Book of Endings. Then (and here comes a large leap of faith) any position P3 could be compared to any known and similar position P4 that is guaranteed to result in victory (or defeat). I.e., P3 can be compared with P4 (victory) and the relatively small problem of how to get from here to there can be concentrated upon. If I can paint you into said corner, then I'm guaranteed to win and the rest is rote. ---------------- On problem two, I guess that we have both invested some time in this investigation, and that's (for me at least) a good thing. I tackled it in various ways, from studying and playing music to taking various academic courses and reading the literature on various investigations from researchers (not to say I'm in any way expert, but I have read some). From I gather, the most accurate vector of prediction is what you have previously listened to. As it happens, I am either "eclectic" or musically promiscuous -- you choose. I have almost everything Beethoven wrote, and Bach, and also Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Talking Heads, the Clash and Zakir Hussain, to name only a few. This opens me to radical new musics in a way that is simply unavailable to people acquainted with only one or two genres and only four or five decases of same. I'm not trying to toot my horn here, and if the previous sentence reads that way then I apologize. Here's another perspective on the point I'm attempting to make: when I started studying classical guitar about -- god! -- 35 years ago, it took me on average about 20 minutes to tune the guitar. Once two notes got very close to each other, I had a very difficult time determining which one was higher than the other. A gifted friend of mine cleared up the mud with a simple instruction: listen to the wa-wa-wa as you compare the notes. The faster the wa-wa-wa, the further the notes are apart. Adjust the pegs and make the wa-wa-wa slower. Once it gets to a "wa" per second, you're close enough for folk music. After he told me that, my time to tune shrank dramatically, and now I can sit in the back row of a nightclub and tell you in seconds who's out of tune. That doesn't mean that my taste in music is "better" than anyone else's. (We've all met stupid lawyers.) But it does say on the one hand that I can probably tell you whether a given melody was lifted from Bach, even if it was transposed and inverted and the instrumentation was changed. When I was in university I took a course called "History of Music." Doctor Ursula Rempel told us in the first class that the exam would be to listen to 20 fragments of music (each 10 seconds long), and we'd have to identify the type of work, the movement if possible, the composer if possible, and the year in which it was written (within 20 years). When the good doctor said that, I thought there's no way in the world I could possibly do that. This incidentally was a summer course; I attended class every day for 6 weeks. By exam time I thought that 10 seconds was an absurdly long time for each question. Ms. Rempel had taught me how to recognize Renaissance, Baroque, Rococo, Classical, Romantic, Late Romantic, Early Modern, 12-tone etc. almost instantly... and it was almost as easy to say this is German as opposed to Italian. A few trick questions could undermine you... for example, Schubert is pretty close to Beethoven, and Carl Czerny is even closer, and certain composers make a point of trying to confuse you with era. But the fact is that most of the time I can tell you (within the classical European, jazz and East-Indian classical music traditions) who is playing and what composition type is being played within seconds. If it's tricky, it might take me a minute, and if it takes me longer than that then I'm just guessing. All the foregoing was about music from the dare I say it, educated listener's point of view. This axis has virtually nothing to do with what will sell. I like to think that I have an ear for quality (don't we all), and I have a certain amount of evidence to cite. Not a lot of said evidence concerns record sales, but rather longevity. There are things you can do in the world of European classical music that are impossible in other genres. For example, I have approximately 20 recordings of Igor Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" and I can tell you without hesitation which one I consider the best, and even play fragments from the various versions to justify my position. You can't do that with rock, or movies, or most other musical genres. To a lesser extend you can do it with jazz. So where am I going with this? I don't want to go into the corner thats says great music is only for those who know. Neither do I want to go into the corner that says that someone who has listened only to punk or rap or disco or classical Indian music can pronounce upon what is great music. I think that a LOT more perspective is required, and a much larger time-frame. You proposed a much simpler proposition that is much easier to test. Let's just hope you don't come up with the musical equivalent of "Famous Dogs of the Civil War." Even if it does sell a jillion copies this year. LOL. I do tend to ramble on. A. There's a rule in S-F writing circles: introduce exactly 1 radical new concept and base your book upon that. There are numerous exceptions to this rule: to cite just three, William Gibson, Neal Stephenson and Philip Kerr. But in general, I think that the rule holds. It doesn't guarantee success, by any means, but it does describe many and perhaps the majority of successful S-F novels. I vaguely recall a joke about this sort of analysis, too. Some book publisher decided to search for the three most successful themes in novels, thereby to derive the formula for the next blockbuster, and after all the data was sifted and the numbers crunched, the software proposed "Famous Dogs of The Civil War." So in fact, your perspective (I think -- don't let me put words in your mouth), you nest two other questions and possibly three. IOW, you identify one axis as the measure of the database's success: future sales of the proposed artwork. That's fine, as far as it goes, but I think it does not go very far... except, assuming success, all the way to the bank. What I must applaud about this approach is its scientific perspective (i.e. prediction and control) -- you propose a case that can be tested objectively in a relatively small time-frame, whereas lofty frames of reference such as "greatness", "beauty", "influence over subsequent composers" etc. require much more subjectivity and much larger time-frames. From artful at rogers.com Wed Oct 27 20:09:46 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:09:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: <000f01c4bc54$58fb8590$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> <000f01c4bc54$58fb8590$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <418046DA.1090204@rogers.com> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >Arthur, > >I will dare to advise on the chess database design. >Using KISS principle & if we assume you don't care to waste some space & >that I didn't miss something here is a possible solution : > >- position after every move can be represented using 32 bytes(4bits * 64); >- you put position information(code) into binary field and create an index >on it so you'll have something like: > >if exists (select * from dbo.sysobjects where id = >object_id(N'[dbo].[tblChessGame]') and OBJECTPROPERTY(id, N'IsUserTable') = >1) >drop table [dbo].[tblChessGame] >GO > >CREATE TABLE [dbo].[tblChessGame] ( > [ChessGameId] [int] NOT NULL , > [ChessGameMoveNo] [smallint] NOT NULL , > [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] [binary] (32) NOT NULL >) ON [PRIMARY] >GO > > CREATE INDEX [IX_PositionMoveNo] ON >[dbo].[tblChessGame]([ChessGamePositionAfterMove], [ChessGameMoveNo]) ON >[PRIMARY] >GO > > >- by using IX_PositionMoveNo index you'll quickly find identical positions >happened on the same or on different MoveNo; > >select * from tblChessGame where ( > [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] = >0x0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123) > >or > >select * from tblChessGame where ( > [ChessGamePositionAfterMove] = >0x0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123 > and ChessGameMoveNo = 35) > >(the positions codes above are only for example of SQL expressions - real >codes will never look something like that - they will have at least 32 >zeros) > >- then you can quickly compare the bits and find for the case where there >were the same quantity of moves were all the positions of these moves the >same or different... > >Does it looks good for you? > >Shamil > >P.S. If you'll care about saving some space then you can pack positions' >info - then the max quantity of bytes needed to represent a position will >be: > >5*32+32 = 192/8 = 28 bytes, > >min = 8 bytes - empty chess board.... > >Does it makes sense to complicate the life this way? - I don't think so... > > Thanks for responding, Shamil! I'll have to read your response over once or twice before I'm able to reply, but at first blush it looks promising. OTOH while I can see the normalization advantages to recording any given game as N rows each, there is something that I find quite compelling about storing the entire sequence as a varchar() string consisting of the modern notation's sequence of moves, rather than recording N rows one per move. Since posting, I have done some Googling and have come up with some sites dedicated to chess notation. Since I have just begun to address this problem, I will automatically defer to their experience, but with the usual provisos. A couple of things I picked up worth noting: In algebraic notation, a capture is recorded as AxB (i.e. Bishop takes knight). Where it is ambiguous, then the notation might be qualified by a "Hungarian" prefix, such as QBxK -- this assumes that both bishops could take a knight, and to disambiguate the move we specify that it's the Queen's bishop. This notation seems to me foolish. Notating the capture itself is IMO redundant. The only way piece X can go to square Y is by taking the pawn currently occupying Y, so why bother notating the capture? I really like your notions of compaction etc. but I fear that the only way that I can actually test them is by banging in a few games's moves one by one and then seeing what happens. Something you didn't address that I would really like your opinion on is the "teleology" approach. Assume the Book of Endings is coded, and that player Shamil at move 22 is presented with situation X, which is only two or three moves away from a known victory derived from the Book of Endings. The unintelligent distance between the current position and the known position is huge, but the more intelligent analysis would somehow subtract all the similarities, note the differences and see if there's a way to get that knight over here and that rook over there, at which point the positions are identical and the victory guaranteed. Thoughts? A. From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 20:52:10 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:52:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases References: <41804180.2050007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <00e601c4bc90$bd07bd10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Arthur: I might use an array of 32 bytes where each byte represents a square on the board and the contents of that byte describes the piece , if any, occupying that square. If you want to get into bit twiddling, it could probably be done in less than 32 bytes. There are 6 different pieces, yes, pawn, rook, knight, bishop, queen, king. and two colors. So it seems that the numbers 1 through 12 could represent all the pieces of both colors. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > Thanks for responding! Doubly interesting.... On the first case, part of > the reason I keep coming back to this is that I have a gut feeling that > brute force is all wrong for this application. What I have in mind is a > sort of double-perspective on any given chess situation -- one that > records the sequence and the other that records the absolute position, so > that any two positions could be compared very rapidly without having to go > through the move-sequences to build it. Not to suggest that the following > is anywhere near an optimal model for recording the latter piece, but > let's just say it might look something like this.... > There are 64 squares and at most two pairs of 16 pieces. (Convenient > numbers from a computing viewpoint.) So we could have a 1-D array of 64 > elements or a 2-D array of 8*8 elements to reprsent the squares. Regarding > the pieces, we need to distinguish white from black, but we do not need to > distinguish Queen's knight from King's. The front row (at setup) is an > array of 8 pawns; the back row is a ragged array of 3 pairs (rook, knight, > bishop) and perhaps another pair or two single-element items, Q and K. > To record any given position, we need to note the square of interest, the > piece that's sitting on it and the colour of said piece. If we could map > this compactly and effectively, we could also search it rapidly, I think. > Let's say for the sake of argument that positions P1 and P2 differ by only > one piece's position. Let's further say that we have employed a legion of > low-wage workers to plug in the Book of Endings. Then (and here comes a > large leap of faith) any position P3 could be compared to any known and > similar position P4 that is guaranteed to result in victory (or defeat). > I.e., P3 can be compared with P4 (victory) and the relatively small > problem of how to get from here to there can be concentrated upon. If I > can paint you into said corner, then I'm guaranteed to win and the rest is > rote. > > ---------------- > On problem two, I guess that we have both invested some time in this > investigation, and that's (for me at least) a good thing. I tackled it in > various ways, from studying and playing music to taking various academic > courses and reading the literature on various investigations from > researchers (not to say I'm in any way expert, but I have read some). From > I gather, the most accurate vector of prediction is what you have > previously listened to. As it happens, I am either "eclectic" or musically > promiscuous -- you choose. I have almost everything Beethoven wrote, and > Bach, and also Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Talking Heads, the Clash and > Zakir Hussain, to name only a few. This opens me to radical new musics in > a way that is simply unavailable to people acquainted with only one or two > genres and only four or five decases of same. I'm not trying to toot my > horn here, and if the previous sentence reads that way then I apologize. > Here's another perspective on the point I'm attempting to make: when I > started studying classical guitar about -- god! -- 35 years ago, it took > me on average about 20 minutes to tune the guitar. Once two notes got very > close to each other, I had a very difficult time determining which one was > higher than the other. A gifted friend of mine cleared up the mud with a > simple instruction: listen to the wa-wa-wa as you compare the notes. The > faster the wa-wa-wa, the further the notes are apart. Adjust the pegs and > make the wa-wa-wa slower. Once it gets to a "wa" per second, you're close > enough for folk music. After he told me that, my time to tune shrank > dramatically, and now I can sit in the back row of a nightclub and tell > you in seconds who's out of tune. > That doesn't mean that my taste in music is "better" than anyone else's. > (We've all met stupid lawyers.) But it does say on the one hand that I can > probably tell you whether a given melody was lifted from Bach, even if it > was transposed and inverted and the instrumentation was changed. > When I was in university I took a course called "History of Music." Doctor > Ursula Rempel told us in the first class that the exam would be to listen > to 20 fragments of music (each 10 seconds long), and we'd have to identify > the type of work, the movement if possible, the composer if possible, and > the year in which it was written (within 20 years). When the good doctor > said that, I thought there's no way in the world I could possibly do that. > This incidentally was a summer course; I attended class every day for 6 > weeks. By exam time I thought that 10 seconds was an absurdly long time > for each question. Ms. Rempel had taught me how to recognize Renaissance, > Baroque, Rococo, Classical, Romantic, Late Romantic, Early Modern, 12-tone > etc. almost instantly... and it was almost as easy to say this is German > as opposed to Italian. A few trick questions could undermine you... for > example, Schubert is pretty close to Beethoven, and Carl Czerny is even > closer, and certain composers make a point of trying to confuse you with > era. But the fact is that most of the time I can tell you (within the > classical European, jazz and East-Indian classical music traditions) who > is playing and what composition type is being played within seconds. If > it's tricky, it might take me a minute, and if it takes me longer than > that then I'm just guessing. > All the foregoing was about music from the dare I say it, educated > listener's point of view. This axis has virtually nothing to do with what > will sell. I like to think that I have an ear for quality (don't we all), > and I have a certain amount of evidence to cite. Not a lot of said > evidence concerns record sales, but rather longevity. There are things you > can do in the world of European classical music that are impossible in > other genres. For example, I have approximately 20 recordings of Igor > Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" and I can tell you without hesitation which > one I consider the best, and even play fragments from the various versions > to justify my position. You can't do that with rock, or movies, or most > other musical genres. To a lesser extend you can do it with jazz. > So where am I going with this? I don't want to go into the corner thats > says great music is only for those who know. Neither do I want to go into > the corner that says that someone who has listened only to punk or rap or > disco or classical Indian music can pronounce upon what is great music. I > think that a LOT more perspective is required, and a much larger > time-frame. > You proposed a much simpler proposition that is much easier to test. Let's > just hope you don't come up with the musical equivalent of "Famous Dogs of > the Civil War." Even if it does sell a jillion copies this year. > > LOL. I do tend to ramble on. > A. > There's a rule in S-F writing circles: introduce exactly 1 radical new > concept and base your book upon that. There are numerous exceptions to > this rule: to cite just three, William Gibson, Neal Stephenson and Philip > Kerr. But in general, I think that the rule holds. It doesn't guarantee > success, by any means, but it does describe many and perhaps the majority > of successful S-F novels. > I vaguely recall a joke about this sort of analysis, too. Some book > publisher decided to search for the three most successful themes in > novels, thereby to derive the formula for the next blockbuster, and after > all the data was sifted and the numbers crunched, the software proposed > "Famous Dogs of The Civil War." > So in fact, your perspective (I think -- don't let me put words in your > mouth), you nest two other questions and possibly three. IOW, you identify > one axis as the measure of the database's success: future sales of the > proposed artwork. That's fine, as far as it goes, but I think it does not > go very far... except, assuming success, all the way to the bank. What I > must applaud about this approach is its scientific perspective (i.e. > prediction and control) -- you propose a case that can be tested > objectively in a relatively small time-frame, whereas lofty frames of > reference such as "greatness", "beauty", "influence over subsequent > composers" etc. require much more subjectivity and much larger > time-frames. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 22:07:33 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:07:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases References: <41804180.2050007@rogers.com> <00e601c4bc90$bd07bd10$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <00f001c4bc9b$455bbf90$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Oops. Meant 64, not 32 Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > Arthur: > > I might use an array of 32 bytes where each byte represents a square on > the board and the contents of that byte describes the piece , if any, > occupying that square. > > If you want to get into bit twiddling, it could probably be done in less > than 32 bytes. There are 6 different pieces, yes, pawn, rook, knight, > bishop, queen, king. and two colors. So it seems that the numbers 1 > through 12 could represent all the pieces of both colors. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > > >> Thanks for responding! Doubly interesting.... On the first case, part of >> the reason I keep coming back to this is that I have a gut feeling that >> brute force is all wrong for this application. What I have in mind is a >> sort of double-perspective on any given chess situation -- one that >> records the sequence and the other that records the absolute position, so >> that any two positions could be compared very rapidly without having to >> go through the move-sequences to build it. Not to suggest that the >> following is anywhere near an optimal model for recording the latter >> piece, but let's just say it might look something like this.... >> There are 64 squares and at most two pairs of 16 pieces. (Convenient >> numbers from a computing viewpoint.) So we could have a 1-D array of 64 >> elements or a 2-D array of 8*8 elements to reprsent the squares. >> Regarding the pieces, we need to distinguish white from black, but we do >> not need to distinguish Queen's knight from King's. The front row (at >> setup) is an array of 8 pawns; the back row is a ragged array of 3 pairs >> (rook, knight, bishop) and perhaps another pair or two single-element >> items, Q and K. >> To record any given position, we need to note the square of interest, the >> piece that's sitting on it and the colour of said piece. If we could map >> this compactly and effectively, we could also search it rapidly, I think. >> Let's say for the sake of argument that positions P1 and P2 differ by >> only one piece's position. Let's further say that we have employed a >> legion of low-wage workers to plug in the Book of Endings. Then (and here >> comes a large leap of faith) any position P3 could be compared to any >> known and similar position P4 that is guaranteed to result in victory (or >> defeat). I.e., P3 can be compared with P4 (victory) and the relatively >> small problem of how to get from here to there can be concentrated upon. >> If I can paint you into said corner, then I'm guaranteed to win and the >> rest is rote. >> >> ---------------- >> On problem two, I guess that we have both invested some time in this >> investigation, and that's (for me at least) a good thing. I tackled it in >> various ways, from studying and playing music to taking various academic >> courses and reading the literature on various investigations from >> researchers (not to say I'm in any way expert, but I have read some). >> From I gather, the most accurate vector of prediction is what you have >> previously listened to. As it happens, I am either "eclectic" or >> musically promiscuous -- you choose. I have almost everything Beethoven >> wrote, and Bach, and also Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Talking Heads, the >> Clash and Zakir Hussain, to name only a few. This opens me to radical new >> musics in a way that is simply unavailable to people acquainted with only >> one or two genres and only four or five decases of same. I'm not trying >> to toot my horn here, and if the previous sentence reads that way then I >> apologize. Here's another perspective on the point I'm attempting to >> make: when I started studying classical guitar about -- god! -- 35 years >> ago, it took me on average about 20 minutes to tune the guitar. Once two >> notes got very close to each other, I had a very difficult time >> determining which one was higher than the other. A gifted friend of mine >> cleared up the mud with a simple instruction: listen to the wa-wa-wa as >> you compare the notes. The faster the wa-wa-wa, the further the notes are >> apart. Adjust the pegs and make the wa-wa-wa slower. Once it gets to a >> "wa" per second, you're close enough for folk music. After he told me >> that, my time to tune shrank dramatically, and now I can sit in the back >> row of a nightclub and tell you in seconds who's out of tune. >> That doesn't mean that my taste in music is "better" than anyone else's. >> (We've all met stupid lawyers.) But it does say on the one hand that I >> can probably tell you whether a given melody was lifted from Bach, even >> if it was transposed and inverted and the instrumentation was changed. >> When I was in university I took a course called "History of Music." >> Doctor Ursula Rempel told us in the first class that the exam would be to >> listen to 20 fragments of music (each 10 seconds long), and we'd have to >> identify the type of work, the movement if possible, the composer if >> possible, and the year in which it was written (within 20 years). When >> the good doctor said that, I thought there's no way in the world I could >> possibly do that. This incidentally was a summer course; I attended class >> every day for 6 weeks. By exam time I thought that 10 seconds was an >> absurdly long time for each question. Ms. Rempel had taught me how to >> recognize Renaissance, Baroque, Rococo, Classical, Romantic, Late >> Romantic, Early Modern, 12-tone etc. almost instantly... and it was >> almost as easy to say this is German as opposed to Italian. A few trick >> questions could undermine you... for example, Schubert is pretty close to >> Beethoven, and Carl Czerny is even closer, and certain composers make a >> point of trying to confuse you with era. But the fact is that most of the >> time I can tell you (within the classical European, jazz and East-Indian >> classical music traditions) who is playing and what composition type is >> being played within seconds. If it's tricky, it might take me a minute, >> and if it takes me longer than that then I'm just guessing. >> All the foregoing was about music from the dare I say it, educated >> listener's point of view. This axis has virtually nothing to do with what >> will sell. I like to think that I have an ear for quality (don't we all), >> and I have a certain amount of evidence to cite. Not a lot of said >> evidence concerns record sales, but rather longevity. There are things >> you can do in the world of European classical music that are impossible >> in other genres. For example, I have approximately 20 recordings of Igor >> Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" and I can tell you without hesitation which >> one I consider the best, and even play fragments from the various >> versions to justify my position. You can't do that with rock, or movies, >> or most other musical genres. To a lesser extend you can do it with jazz. >> So where am I going with this? I don't want to go into the corner thats >> says great music is only for those who know. Neither do I want to go into >> the corner that says that someone who has listened only to punk or rap or >> disco or classical Indian music can pronounce upon what is great music. I >> think that a LOT more perspective is required, and a much larger >> time-frame. >> You proposed a much simpler proposition that is much easier to test. >> Let's just hope you don't come up with the musical equivalent of "Famous >> Dogs of the Civil War." Even if it does sell a jillion copies this year. >> >> LOL. I do tend to ramble on. >> A. >> There's a rule in S-F writing circles: introduce exactly 1 radical new >> concept and base your book upon that. There are numerous exceptions to >> this rule: to cite just three, William Gibson, Neal Stephenson and Philip >> Kerr. But in general, I think that the rule holds. It doesn't guarantee >> success, by any means, but it does describe many and perhaps the majority >> of successful S-F novels. >> I vaguely recall a joke about this sort of analysis, too. Some book >> publisher decided to search for the three most successful themes in >> novels, thereby to derive the formula for the next blockbuster, and after >> all the data was sifted and the numbers crunched, the software proposed >> "Famous Dogs of The Civil War." >> So in fact, your perspective (I think -- don't let me put words in your >> mouth), you nest two other questions and possibly three. IOW, you >> identify one axis as the measure of the database's success: future sales >> of the proposed artwork. That's fine, as far as it goes, but I think it >> does not go very far... except, assuming success, all the way to the >> bank. What I must applaud about this approach is its scientific >> perspective (i.e. prediction and control) -- you propose a case that can >> be tested objectively in a relatively small time-frame, whereas lofty >> frames of reference such as "greatness", "beauty", "influence over >> subsequent composers" etc. require much more subjectivity and much larger >> time-frames. >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Oct 27 22:42:59 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:42:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?koi8-r?b?Rnc6IPTBys0tzcXOxcTWzcXO1Dog68HLINfZytTJ?= =?koi8-r?b?IMnaIMLFzMne2MXHzyDLz8zF08E=?= Message-ID: <011c01c4bca0$399d5ce0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Shamil: What's it mean? (view in html) Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: ????-?????????? To: feax Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: ????-??????????: ??? ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ????, 09-00: ???, ?????? ???, ??? ?????... ??? ?? ?????.. ???????, ??????? ??????, ????????????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ???????? ??????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????... ?????, 21-00: ???????? ?????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???-?? ??????? - ??? ?? ??????? ???????... ????!.. ? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????... ? ???? ???: ????? ????????, 18-00: ?????? ?? ??????, ???, ?? ??????? ?????? - ??????? ??????? ??????. ???, ??? ?? ???????. ??? ??????? ??? - ?????? ???, ? ??? ????????????? ??? ????? ?? ???????????. ???... ? ??? ??? ???????????????? ?????? ???????, ? ??? ??? ????????. ??, ????????? ??????????? - ????? ????? - ??????. ?????, 18-00: ?, ????? ??? ?????, ???????! ???, ??? ??? ?? ??????... ????-??????????: ????? ???????????? ?o?????? ?o??o???? ???o?????? (095) 514-5047 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Oct 27 23:28:56 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:28:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> Message-ID: Pretty simple on situation one. First, look at how many peices there are. 32. But, if you look the number of duplicate peices, you need to track the 'location' of 2 of each color of rooks, bishops, knights. Then you have to track 8 of each color for pawns. So the trick is to turn it into a comparable string, versus a ton of numbers. Tackle the kings and queens first. Each peice will represent one character in the string (first four characters, 4 bytes total). A byte represents overkill, because it can be 0 to 255, but we need to differentiate these four peices. So each character would represent it's peices position on the board. Now take the 2 rooks, knights, and bishops for each color. We can cheat. Let's just take the two black rooks. Let's say one is in square 10 and the other is in square 16. What we do, is we take the one in the 'lowest' position, and set it to the first 'character', and the one in the larger position will be the second character. Can't use one byte, because it takes 6 bits to represent 0 to 63. However we can always guarantee that 2 black rooks, in the same positions, will have the same characters in the same spots in the string, by setting them according to their 'position' on the board. Now for the pawns. This one is pretty easy. Take 8 characters each, but instead of marking individual positions, mark positions taken. 8 characters, or 8 bytes, represents 64 bits. Just turn on the bits within the total 64 bits, that represent spaces that have white pawns. This would ensure that pawns in the same position would have the same 'characters' represented in your string. So, all together, we have 4 bytes for kings and queens, 2 bytes each for knights, rooks, and bishops (total of 12 bytes), and 64 bits for each pawn color, a total of 16 characters. What you end up with is 32 characters. Every 'setting' of the board would be represented by those 32 characters. So if there are two times where someone is in the same position as another game, the strings will match. To determine the moves made, simply put a Game ID, and a Move Number field in. It wouldn't be that difficult to whip up some code to determine what was moved between the two strings. If you index the string field, you can immediately determine what other games had the peices in the same position, by doing a simple query based on that particular string. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases From time to time I ponder the following two databases, trying to come up with the optimal design in terms of both space and performance. This is strictly a question of personal interest, and I have no commercial interest in either solution. I simply find them interesting problems, and I thought I'd trot them out in search of feedback from my colleagues here. 1. A database that records chess games. It strikes me that perhaps the most compact way to store a game is by using the modern notation for the moves themselves. But in addition to recording the sequence of moves, the database would also be expected to record situations and be able to compare them. I.e. given two sequences, A and B, that both result in exactly the same position of pieces, irrespective of the number of moves it took to get there, the database should be able to detect this as quickly as possible. For example.... aha! This is exactly the same position that Bobby Fischer faced in year 19xx, when playing somebody at some tournament, but they got here in 11 moves and the current players got here in 13 moves. (The idea behind this requirement is that certain positions have known solutions, i.e. paths to checkmate.) 2. A music database that records (let's keep it simple in version 1) melodies and single-line compositions (i.e. ignoring instrumentation, harmony, counterpoint, etc.). The idea here would be to compare any two rows and determine whether they are identical. For example, George Harrison v. the Ronnettes, for "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" respectively. Ideally, this database should also be able to see past the selected key (in the musical sense), and also the tempo (piece A is identical to piece B but played twice as fast). Perhaps version 2 could also detect that melody A is identical to B except that it is inverted (upside down) or perhaps retrograde (backwards) or even retrograde inverted. Ok, database designers. There you have the specs. Any brilliant ideas out there for solutions? A. P.S. Although these are in fact strictly database issues, I am not going to cross-post to the AccessD and SQL lists because they are so obviously unrelated to the immediate problems most of us have when posting there. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 28 00:26:07 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:26:07 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: References: <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41810F8F.21205.137EF8E7@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Oct 2004 at 23:28, Drew Wutka wrote: > Every 'setting' of the board would be represented by those 32 characters. > So if there are two times where someone is in the same position as another > game, the strings will match. To determine the moves made, simply put a > Game ID, and a Move Number field in. It wouldn't be that difficult to whip > up some code to determine what was moved between the two strings. > > If you index the string field, you can immediately determine what other > games had the peices in the same position, by doing a simple query based on > that particular string. > Not only that but you can use Hamming Distance functions on the strings to locate similar board layouts. -- Stuart From mark.breen at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 06:42:13 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:42:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ In-Reply-To: <001101c4bc2d$79393900$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <001101c4bc2d$79393900$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <26a96cce04102804422bca0f5@mail.gmail.com> Hello Shamil, It looks like a scam to me ! The $80 dollars per and an 'must have access to email' and some knowledge of english, sound like carrots to attract the 29 per month. I hate people like that. Mark On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Hi All, > > Anybody tried to find work through http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? > Did it work? > > TIA, > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 03:11:37 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:11:37 +0400 Subject: =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFtkYmEtVGVjaF0gRnc6IPTBys0tzcXOxcTWzcXO1Dog68HLIA==?= =?koi8-r?B?19nK1MkgydogwsXMyd7YxcfPIMvPzMXTwQ==?= References: <011c01c4bca0$399d5ce0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <000001c4bcf7$13842d70$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> This is spam. They propose to call +7-(095) 514-5047 to get more detailed information how to manage a company's chief working time. They seems to be using one of the worldwide spam addresses databases. I did get the same spam letter on my e-mail address shamil AT smsconsulting.spb.ru, which is published on my web site (where AT is presented as @) Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" To: "dba-tech" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Fw: ????-??????????: ??? ????? ?? ????????? ?????? Shamil: What's it mean? (view in html) Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: ????-?????????? To: feax Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: ????-??????????: ??? ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ????, 09-00: ???, ?????? ???, ??? ?????... ??? ?? ?????.. ???????, ??????? ??????, ????????????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ???????? ??????, ??? ????? ????????? ???????????... ?????, 21-00: ???????? ?????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???-?? ??????? - ??? ?? ??????? ???????... ????!.. ? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????... ? ???? ???: ????? ????????, 18-00: ?????? ?? ??????, ???, ?? ??????? ?????? - ??????? ??????? ??????. ???, ??? ?? ???????. ??? ??????? ??? - ?????? ???, ? ??? ????????????? ??? ????? ?? ???????????. ???... ? ??? ??? ???????????????? ?????? ???????, ? ??? ??? ????????. ??, ????????? ??????????? - ????? ????? - ??????. ?????, 18-00: ?, ????? ??? ?????, ???????! ???, ??? ??? ?? ??????... ????-??????????: ????? ???????????? ?o?????? ?o??o???? ???o?????? (095) 514-5047 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 10:25:08 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:25:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ References: <001101c4bc2d$79393900$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <26a96cce04102804422bca0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c4bd02$51a5c860$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thanks for your opinion, Mark! But it's so well designed and organized! And they have a trial period of one week for ~USD3. Do they expect their customers miss this one trial week deadline and they withdraw their USD29 fee anyway? And there is a photo of the owner here: http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/about.html And testimonials here: http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/testimonials.html etc. Is all that still looking suspicious and like a scam? Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > Hello Shamil, > > It looks like a scam to me ! The $80 dollars per and an 'must have > access to email' and some knowledge of english, sound like carrots to > attract the 29 per month. I hate people like that. > > Mark > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Anybody tried to find work through http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? > > Did it work? > > > > TIA, > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mark.breen at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 12:04:39 2004 From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:04:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ In-Reply-To: <002001c4bd02$51a5c860$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <001101c4bc2d$79393900$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <26a96cce04102804422bca0f5@mail.gmail.com> <002001c4bd02$51a5c860$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <26a96cce041028100455d654bf@mail.gmail.com> What do our colleagues think? Mark On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:25:08 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Thanks for your opinion, Mark! > > But it's so well designed and organized! > And they have a trial period of one week for ~USD3. > Do they expect their customers miss this one trial week deadline and they > withdraw their USD29 fee anyway? > And there is a photo of the owner here: > http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/about.html > And testimonials here: > http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/testimonials.html > etc. > > Is all that still looking suspicious and like a scam? > > Shamil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > > > Hello Shamil, > > > > It looks like a scam to me ! The $80 dollars per and an 'must have > > access to email' and some knowledge of english, sound like carrots to > > attract the 29 per month. I hate people like that. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov > > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Anybody tried to find work through > http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? > > > Did it work? > > > > > > TIA, > > > Shamil > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Oct 28 12:12:27 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:12:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ Message-ID: Shamil, When researching a company online I usually Google their name along with keywords such as problem, complaint, or lawsuit. Normally, most people are pretty vocal when they get scammed. After a VERY QUICK AND LIMITED search, I did not come across any substantial list of complaints. So based on a lack of significant negative information, it seems that the company is legitimate. Now whether they offer value for your money, I can't answer that...but it seems like they are not overtly suspicious in nature. Best of luck:) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ Thanks for your opinion, Mark! But it's so well designed and organized! And they have a trial period of one week for ~USD3. Do they expect their customers miss this one trial week deadline and they withdraw their USD29 fee anyway? And there is a photo of the owner here: http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/about.html And testimonials here: http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/testimonials.html etc. Is all that still looking suspicious and like a scam? Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > Hello Shamil, > > It looks like a scam to me ! The $80 dollars per and an 'must have > access to email' and some knowledge of english, sound like carrots to > attract the 29 per month. I hate people like that. > > Mark > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Anybody tried to find work through http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? > > Did it work? > > > > TIA, > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Oct 28 12:54:37 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:54:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ References: Message-ID: <4181325D.7030002@shaw.ca> Sounds a bit like http://www.rentacoder.com an offshoot of http://www.planet-source-code.com Rentacoder works via bidding on contracts payment via paypal and an rentacoder escrow account Rentacoder takes 10 or 15 % of contract price However I would only bid on code that I had previously written or could slap together in less than a day. Some of the requirements are really wild A full accounting system written in C## and documented in Chinese with self contained VNC for a maximum bid of $300. I think I got paid about $30 for a quick and dirty Excel VBA solution about 2 years ago. But nowadays you are in competition with some guy from Ulan Bator who will work for less than $5 an hour. I still get a daily list of jobs that I read occasionally for a chuckle but there is the odd one that looks interesting. Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: >Shamil, > >When researching a company online I usually Google their name along with >keywords such as problem, complaint, or lawsuit. Normally, most people are >pretty vocal when they get scammed. After a VERY QUICK AND LIMITED search, >I did not come across any substantial list of complaints. So based on a >lack of significant negative information, it seems that the company is >legitimate. Now whether they offer value for your money, I can't answer >that...but it seems like they are not overtly suspicious in nature. Best of >luck:) > > >Mark > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:25 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > > >Thanks for your opinion, Mark! > >But it's so well designed and organized! >And they have a trial period of one week for ~USD3. >Do they expect their customers miss this one trial week deadline and they >withdraw their USD29 fee anyway? >And there is a photo of the owner here: >http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/about.html >And testimonials here: >http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/testimonials.html >etc. > >Is all that still looking suspicious and like a scam? > >Shamil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Breen" >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:42 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > > > > >>Hello Shamil, >> >>It looks like a scam to me ! The $80 dollars per and an 'must have >>access to email' and some knowledge of english, sound like carrots to >>attract the 29 per month. I hate people like that. >> >>Mark >> >> >> >>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:29 +0400, Shamil Salakhetdinov >> wrote: >> >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>Anybody tried to find work through >>> >>> >http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/? > > >>>Did it work? >>> >>>TIA, >>>Shamil >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From artful at rogers.com Thu Oct 28 13:28:07 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:28:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ In-Reply-To: <4181325D.7030002@shaw.ca> References: <4181325D.7030002@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <41813A37.6020306@rogers.com> MartyConnelly wrote: > Some of the requirements are really wild: A full accounting system > written in C## and documented in Chinese with self contained VNC for a > maximum bid of $300. As soon as C## is designed, developed, tested and released, i'll jump on this one with both feet! LOL. A. From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Oct 28 14:20:42 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:20:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles In-Reply-To: <4180C0D5.4165.124B741C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: With a house brick :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 28 October 2004 00:50 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles On 28 Oct 2004 at 3:42, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > OE v.6 (6.00.3790.0) > =============== > > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? > Tools->Options->Send->Mail Sending Format->Plain Text > I know that, but how do you get other people to do it! -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From artful at rogers.com Thu Oct 28 14:28:43 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:28:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4181486B.7090204@rogers.com> I once heard or read that Outlook was implemented on the Btrieve database. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Does anyone with Btrieve knowledge know how to verify or refute this conjecture? (I.e. examine file with a hex editor...) TIA, Arthur From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 14:53:05 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:53:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties in adp tables? Message-ID: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious? I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines: Dim dbs As DAO.Database Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef Dim prp As DAO.Property Set dbs = CurrentDb Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest") Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource") Debug.Print prp.Value I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp? TIA for any help, Shamil From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 15:02:57 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:02:57 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles References: <4180C0D5.4165.124B741C@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002701c4bd29$1f973ad0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > I know that, but how do you get other people to do it! They have now Plain Text send format set by default - so most of the users will hopefully never switch to HTML mode. :) And one can set in Address Book "Send E-mail using plain text only" for their recepient who will complain about getting HTML e-mail messages. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mail Profiles > On 28 Oct 2004 at 3:42, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > > OE v.6 (6.00.3790.0) > > =============== > > > How do you get other people to stop sending HTML only mail? > > Tools->Options->Send->Mail Sending Format->Plain Text > > > > I know that, but how do you get other people to do it! > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 17:39:11 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:39:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost><003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002><001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com><000f01c4bc54$58fb8590$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <418046DA.1090204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <006401c4bd3f$0b8b89e0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> > Something you didn't address that I would really like your opinion on is > the "teleology" approach. Assume the Book of Endings is coded, and that > player Shamil at move 22 is presented with situation X, which is only > two or three moves away from a known victory derived from the Book of > Endings. The unintelligent distance between the current position and the > known position is huge, but the more intelligent analysis would somehow > subtract all the similarities, note the differences and see if there's a > way to get that knight over here and that rook over there, at which > point the positions are identical and the victory guaranteed. Arthur, I've never tried to write chess programs. IMO what are you looking for isn't an easy task. I don't know optiomal solution. I'd use a "brute force" method here. I'd have coded, say 10,000 best games'(or just games' endings) moves and stored them in a database the way I proposed. Let's say an average game has 50 moves. These are 100 partial-moves. Or semi-moves? (sorry I don't know how these are called in English - the move of every color within a move.) These will result in about 100*10,000*32 = ~32MB (if we add the 4 bytes identity key and 2 bytes long move number and 4 byte used for fixed binary fields) then it will become ~42MB. Then I'd have calculate a 4 bytes long hash key for a position after every partial-move of each of these games. The total size of the row for a partial move will become 48bytes. I'd have indexed this hash code. For modern computers all that info about 10,000 games can be easily stored in RAM. Even 200,000 games' coded info with hash codes will occupy "only" ~1GB RAM. Having such memory is not a problem today too. And access by hash code in RAM can be very well optimized. The program would calcualte a hash code for every position within the current position decision tree and use this code to look in the database of "the best games".(Or better in the cached array of the hash codes.) If it finds a matching hash code(let's assume for simplicity that there are no hash codes collisions) it will use the decision path leading to this hash code's position... That's all for now I can say, Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > >Arthur, > > > >I will dare to advise on the chess database design. > >Using KISS principle & if we assume you don't care to waste some space & > >that I didn't miss something here is a possible solution : > > > >- position after every move can be represented using 32 bytes(4bits * 64); > >- you put position information(code) into binary field and create an index > >on it so you'll have something like: > > <<>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 28 19:21:59 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:21:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties inadp tables? In-Reply-To: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <001401c4bd4d$4e17a380$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> That's because ADPs don't have any MDB tables or access to any such things. No linked tables of any kind. Since DAO only works with the MDB tables, it doesn't exist in an adp. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:53 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties inadp tables? Importance: High Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious? I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines: Dim dbs As DAO.Database Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef Dim prp As DAO.Property Set dbs = CurrentDb Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest") Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource") Debug.Print prp.Value I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp? TIA for any help, Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Oct 28 19:23:20 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:23:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ In-Reply-To: <41813A37.6020306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001501c4bd4d$7e63fcf0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Wouldn't that be a full accounting system, written in c##, pirated, and sold for no more than 300? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ MartyConnelly wrote: > Some of the requirements are really wild: A full accounting system > written in C## and documented in Chinese with self contained VNC for a > maximum bid of $300. As soon as C## is designed, developed, tested and released, i'll jump on this one with both feet! LOL. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 19:37:09 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:37:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ References: <4181325D.7030002@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00c601c4bd4f$6e497370$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you for the link, Marty! I will have a look at it. > But nowadays you are in competition with some guy from Ulan Bator who > will work for less than $5 an hour. I will look for serious buyers/bids only. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "MartyConnelly" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > Sounds a bit like > http://www.rentacoder.com > an offshoot of http://www.planet-source-code.com > Rentacoder works via bidding on contracts payment via paypal and an > rentacoder escrow account > Rentacoder takes 10 or 15 % of contract price > However I would only bid on code that I had previously written or could > slap together in less than a day. > Some of the requirements are really wild A full accounting system > written in C## and documented in Chinese > with self contained VNC for a maximum bid of $300. > I think I got paid about $30 for a quick and dirty Excel VBA solution > about 2 years ago. > But nowadays you are in competition with some guy from Ulan Bator who > will work for less than $5 an hour. > I still get a daily list of jobs that I read occasionally for a chuckle > but there is the odd one that looks interesting. > <<>> From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 19:47:31 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:47:31 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup propertiesinadp tables? References: <001401c4bd4d$4e17a380$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <00ce01c4bd50$e813edb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Yes, John, I know that they don't have any mdb tables etc. I think this was my bad day I asked this question - the answer is obvious - they keep these properties's values in extended properties of MS SQL tables' columns. Easy :) But still to verify that it's true by accessing these properties' values using SQLDMO.... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup propertiesinadp tables? > That's because ADPs don't have any MDB tables or access to any such things. > No linked tables of any kind. Since DAO only works with the MDB tables, it > doesn't exist in an adp. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:53 PM > To: DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties > inadp tables? > Importance: High > > > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious? > > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines: > > Dim dbs As DAO.Database > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef > Dim prp As DAO.Property > Set dbs = CurrentDb > Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest") > Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource") > Debug.Print prp.Value > > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp? > > TIA for any help, > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 19:53:21 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:53:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ References: Message-ID: <00de01c4bd51$b3bfab20$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Thank you, Mark -- Yes, I did also do Google and I didn't find any "criminal" info on them.. Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/ > Shamil, > > When researching a company online I usually Google their name along with > keywords such as problem, complaint, or lawsuit. Normally, most people are > pretty vocal when they get scammed. After a VERY QUICK AND LIMITED search, > I did not come across any substantial list of complaints. So based on a > lack of significant negative information, it seems that the company is > legitimate. Now whether they offer value for your money, I can't answer > that...but it seems like they are not overtly suspicious in nature. Best of > luck:) > > > Mark > > > <<>> From shamil at users.mns.ru Thu Oct 28 20:07:56 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:07:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookuppropertiesinadp tables? References: <001401c4bd4d$4e17a380$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <00ce01c4bd50$e813edb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <001101c4bd53$bc359560$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Here is the info I should have found before starting this thread: http://www.winnetmag.com/SQLServer/Articles/ArticleID/22727/pg/2/2.html Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookuppropertiesinadp tables? > Yes, John, I know that they don't have any mdb tables etc. > > I think this was my bad day I asked this question - the answer is obvious - > they keep these properties's values in extended properties of MS SQL tables' > columns. > > Easy :) > > But still to verify that it's true by accessing these properties' values > using SQLDMO.... > > Shamil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:21 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup > propertiesinadp tables? > > > > That's because ADPs don't have any MDB tables or access to any such > things. > > No linked tables of any kind. Since DAO only works with the MDB tables, > it > > doesn't exist in an adp. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > > Salakhetdinov > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:53 PM > > To: DBA-Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties > > inadp tables? > > Importance: High > > > > > > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious? > > > > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines: > > > > Dim dbs As DAO.Database > > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef > > Dim prp As DAO.Property > > Set dbs = CurrentDb > > Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest") > > Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource") > > Debug.Print prp.Value > > > > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp? > > > > TIA for any help, > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 29 01:42:31 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:42:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get programmatic access to lookup properties in adp tables? In-Reply-To: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <001901c4bd27$c29b0510$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <51291517.20041029084231@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Why not address this to the AccessD list? Seems right "on topic" to me ... /gustav > Date: 2004-10-28 21:53 > Here is a tough one or I'm missing something obvious? > I .mdb I can write for a table's field, which has combo lookup defines: > Dim dbs As DAO.Database > Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef > Dim prp As DAO.Property > Set dbs = CurrentDb > Set tdf = dbs.TableDefs("tblTest") > Set prp = tdf.Fields("F2").Properties("RowSource") > Debug.Print prp.Value > I can't find how can I do similar thing in .adp? > TIA for any help, > Shamil From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Oct 29 10:38:19 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:38:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2EE@ALCUXB> Hi all I've got a new motherboard, memory and processor to put in my pc (I say new, it's new to me, it's a year old that I got from a friend as payment for building his new pc). At the moment, I've got a 5 year old motherboard ram and chip combo that is in deperate need of disposal. Normally I'd just rip it all out and shove the new bits in, but last time I did that, I rather killed the os, and ended up formatting the hard drive, which later died and had to be replaced... I remember someone mentioning Sysprep, but having looked it up I can't find any reference to it other than for making images of pc's for instant installs on network workstations. Is Sysprep the right tool for me? How do I use it? I want a faster system, but not at the expense of losing all my files... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Oct 29 21:58:18 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:58:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger Message-ID: <03d901c4be2c$4f3469d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> What is Windows messenger and why does it want access to the internet all the time? And should I let it? TIA Rocky From jmhla at earthlink.net Fri Oct 29 22:10:40 2004 From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:10:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger In-Reply-To: <03d901c4be2c$4f3469d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <200410300310.i9U3AWL32412@databaseadvisors.com> It is similar I think to AOL Instant messenger, kind of designed to be used on an corporate intranet. I would not let it access unless you have a specific need to. Joe Hecht jmhla at earthlink.net 28g -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:58 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger What is Windows messenger and why does it want access to the internet all the time? And should I let it? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Oct 29 22:35:55 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:35:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger In-Reply-To: <03d901c4be2c$4f3469d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Rocky, One of the few tips I've had time to get on my website! http://www.winhaven.net/index.html John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:58 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger What is Windows messenger and why does it want access to the internet all the time? And should I let it? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Oct 30 00:01:38 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:01:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger References: Message-ID: <048d01c4be3d$89e44ee0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> John: Thanks. Messenger has been shot. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger > Rocky, > One of the few tips I've had time to get on my website! > > http://www.winhaven.net/index.html > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:58 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger > > > What is Windows messenger and why does it want access to the internet all > the time? And should I let it? > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From serbach at new.rr.com Sat Oct 30 06:02:48 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:02:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases In-Reply-To: <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> References: <417F2D6B.13328.15512E@localhost> <003101c4bc0e$4d31f460$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <004201c4bc23$7cf9cf00$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001001c4bc2d$7917ce50$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <002501c4bc32$478016e0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <001901c4bc37$83cdeaf0$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000d01c4bc3f$f3a00a90$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <000b01c4bc43$a2b10f40$6601a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> <417FD657.1000909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041030060248.881055664.serbach@new.rr.com> Arthur, While I have nothing to contribute for #2, have you looked at ChessBase? I've edited a couple chess newsletters. I even created a chess "font" for creating diagrams. But I gave up trying to record chess games by computer when I saw that ChessBase was on the case. There's also the Chess Informant database. Here's a description of Portable Game Notation (PGN) that's used for a lot of these databases: http://www.very-best.de/pgn-spec.htm Steve Erbach Neenah, WI > ------------Original Message------------ > From: Arthur Fuller > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Date: Wed, Oct-27-2004 12:13 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about 2 Unusual Databases > > From time to time I ponder the following two databases, trying to come > > up with the optimal design in terms of both space and performance. This > > is strictly a question of personal interest, and I have no commercial > interest in either solution. I simply find them interesting problems, > and I thought I'd trot them out in search of feedback from my > colleagues > here. > > 1. A database that records chess games. It strikes me that perhaps the > most compact way to store a game is by using the modern notation for > the > moves themselves. But in addition to recording the sequence of moves, > the database would also be expected to record situations and be able to > > compare them. I.e. given two sequences, A and B, that both result in > exactly the same position of pieces, irrespective of the number of > moves > it took to get there, the database should be able to detect this as > quickly as possible. For example.... aha! This is exactly the same > position that Bobby Fischer faced in year 19xx, when playing somebody > at > some tournament, but they got here in 11 moves and the current players > got here in 13 moves. (The idea behind this requirement is that certain > > positions have known solutions, i.e. paths to checkmate.) > > 2. A music database that records (let's keep it simple in version 1) > melodies and single-line compositions (i.e. ignoring instrumentation, > harmony, counterpoint, etc.). The idea here would be to compare any two > > rows and determine whether they are identical. For example, George > Harrison v. the Ronnettes, for "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" > respectively. Ideally, this database should also be able to see past > the > selected key (in the musical sense), and also the tempo (piece A is > identical to piece B but played twice as fast). Perhaps version 2 could > > also detect that melody A is identical to B except that it is inverted > (upside down) or perhaps retrograde (backwards) or even retrograde > inverted. > > Ok, database designers. There you have the specs. Any brilliant ideas > out there for solutions? > > A. > > P.S. > Although these are in fact strictly database issues, I am not going to > cross-post to the AccessD and SQL lists because they are so obviously > unrelated to the immediate problems most of us have when posting there. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 30 04:24:59 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:24:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger In-Reply-To: <048d01c4be3d$89e44ee0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> References: <048d01c4be3d$89e44ee0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <275240275.20041030112459@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky If you really want to physically kill the bloat of Windows XP: http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html /gustav > Thanks. Messenger has been shot. From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 30 04:51:43 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:51:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2EE@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B2EE@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <96844361.20041030115143@cactus.dk> Hi Jon That's one of the reasons why we always recommend to leave the old as is. How much does a case and cd-drive cost? You would by a new harddrive anyway (no fun having a hi-speed board and a veteran drive). This allows you to built the new, get it running including all fine tuning while having the old as backup and later a spare for some other use - like give away to a student or some charity. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-29 17:38 > Hi all > I've got a new motherboard, memory and processor to put in my pc (I say new, > it's new to me, it's a year old that I got from a friend as payment for > building his new pc). > At the moment, I've got a 5 year old motherboard ram and chip combo that is > in deperate need of disposal. Normally I'd just rip it all out and shove the > new bits in, but last time I did that, I rather killed the os, and ended up > formatting the hard drive, which later died and had to be replaced... I > remember someone mentioning Sysprep, but having looked it up I can't find > any reference to it other than for making images of pc's for instant > installs on network workstations. Is Sysprep the right tool for me? How do I > use it? > I want a faster system, but not at the expense of losing all my files... From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Oct 30 09:12:30 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:12:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger In-Reply-To: <200410300310.i9U3AWL32412@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: No, that's MSN messenger... Windows Messenger is the built in messaging service (net send) for use over networks. The only trouble is that it can be hijacked from outside your network. We use it quite extensively at work, and it can be very useful, and it's properly firewalled out, so we don't get any spam, which is nice. On a stand-alone pc or a small home network you won't need it though. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht Sent: 30 October 2004 04:11 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger It is similar I think to AOL Instant messenger, kind of designed to be used on an corporate intranet. I would not let it access unless you have a specific need to. Joe Hecht jmhla at earthlink.net 28g -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:58 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger What is Windows messenger and why does it want access to the internet all the time? And should I let it? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Oct 30 09:25:16 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:25:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade In-Reply-To: <96844361.20041030115143@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hmm, I can see that point of view, but the hard drive is only 4 months old, so that wouldn't be a problem, I just want my current system to be faster :-) Although this might be the excuse I've been looking for to build my NT server with my old kit... Good thinking Batman! :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 30 October 2004 10:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade Hi Jon That's one of the reasons why we always recommend to leave the old as is. How much does a case and cd-drive cost? You would by a new harddrive anyway (no fun having a hi-speed board and a veteran drive). This allows you to built the new, get it running including all fine tuning while having the old as backup and later a spare for some other use - like give away to a student or some charity. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-29 17:38 > Hi all > I've got a new motherboard, memory and processor to put in my pc (I say new, > it's new to me, it's a year old that I got from a friend as payment for > building his new pc). > At the moment, I've got a 5 year old motherboard ram and chip combo that is > in deperate need of disposal. Normally I'd just rip it all out and shove the > new bits in, but last time I did that, I rather killed the os, and ended up > formatting the hard drive, which later died and had to be replaced... I > remember someone mentioning Sysprep, but having looked it up I can't find > any reference to it other than for making images of pc's for instant > installs on network workstations. Is Sysprep the right tool for me? How do I > use it? > I want a faster system, but not at the expense of losing all my files... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 30 09:38:13 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:38:13 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13424034399.20041030163813@cactus.dk> Hi Jon Yes, that's it. Then you can buy a speedy Serial ATA for your new machine - that makes a difference. If you don't want to fiddle with an NT server, turn it into a single floppy boot Linux FTP or file (Samba) server. /gustav > Date: 2004-10-30 16:25 > Hmm, I can see that point of view, but the hard drive is only 4 months old, > so that wouldn't be a problem, I just want my current system to be faster > :-) > Although this might be the excuse I've been looking for to build my NT > server with my old kit... Good thinking Batman! :-) > Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: 30 October 2004 10:52 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] System Upgrade > Hi Jon > That's one of the reasons why we always recommend to leave the old as > is. How much does a case and cd-drive cost? You would by a new > harddrive anyway (no fun having a hi-speed board and a veteran drive). > This allows you to built the new, get it running including all fine > tuning while having the old as backup and later a spare for some other > use - like give away to a student or some charity. > /gustav >> Date: 2004-10-29 17:38 >> Hi all >> I've got a new motherboard, memory and processor to put in my pc (I say > new, >> it's new to me, it's a year old that I got from a friend as payment for >> building his new pc). >> At the moment, I've got a 5 year old motherboard ram and chip combo that > is >> in deperate need of disposal. Normally I'd just rip it all out and shove > the >> new bits in, but last time I did that, I rather killed the os, and ended > up >> formatting the hard drive, which later died and had to be replaced... I >> remember someone mentioning Sysprep, but having looked it up I can't find >> any reference to it other than for making images of pc's for instant >> installs on network workstations. Is Sysprep the right tool for me? How do > I >> use it? >> I want a faster system, but not at the expense of losing all my files... From bchacc at san.rr.com Sat Oct 30 10:17:41 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:17:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger References: <048d01c4be3d$89e44ee0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> <275240275.20041030112459@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <005601c4be93$99609490$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Holy moly! A Windows knock off? Why isn't it more popular? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Messenger > Hi Rocky > > If you really want to physically kill the bloat of Windows XP: > > http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html > > /gustav > > >> Thanks. Messenger has been shot. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Oct 30 16:59:50 2004 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:59:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] I Can't Open Msg About freelanceworkexchange Message-ID: <41840ED6.1030608@torchlake.com> Hi, Every time I try to open one of the messages with the subject line "[dba-Tech]http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/" my browser closes. I'm using Netscape 7.02. Next time I see one of those messages, I'll try a different browser. Anybody have any idea why this might be happening? Hmmmmm, Tina From jmhla at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 18:29:11 2004 From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:29:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] I Can't Open Msg About freelanceworkexchange In-Reply-To: <41840ED6.1030608@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <200410302329.i9UNT6L09878@databaseadvisors.com> Opens ok in IE. It is a pay for leads job site. You may want to find some one who uses it successfully before you pay $30.00 a month. Joe Hecht jmhla at earthlink.net 28g -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:00 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] I Can't Open Msg About freelanceworkexchange Hi, Every time I try to open one of the messages with the subject line "[dba-Tech]http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/" my browser closes. I'm using Netscape 7.02. Next time I see one of those messages, I'll try a different browser. Anybody have any idea why this might be happening? Hmmmmm, Tina _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Sun Oct 31 00:41:07 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:41:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] I Can't Open Msg About freelanceworkexchange References: <41840ED6.1030608@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <41847AF3.6040309@shaw.ca> I opened it okay in Netscape 7.01 Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Hi, > > Every time I try to open one of the messages with the subject line > "[dba-Tech]http://www.freelanceworkexchange.com/" > my browser closes. I'm using Netscape 7.02. > > Next time I see one of those messages, I'll try a different browser. > Anybody have any idea why this might be happening? > > Hmmmmm, > Tina > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Oct 31 09:28:10 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:28:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod Message-ID: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? Rocky From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Oct 31 09:41:37 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:41:37 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the word "Apple" an anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on anything except printers or sauce. Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 31 October 2004 15:28 To: dba-tech Cc: off topic list Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From bchacc at san.rr.com Sun Oct 31 09:51:47 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:51:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod References: Message-ID: <00d601c4bf61$879972d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: Same kind of software support? Organizing songs, etc? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod > Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the word "Apple" > an > anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on anything except printers or > sauce. > > Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:28 > To: dba-tech > Cc: off topic list > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Oct 31 09:59:50 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:59:50 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: <00d601c4bf61$879972d0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I don't know, they're still a bit expensive for me at the moment, (nearer ?300 than ?200), but the one I want is a 60gb, and when I started coveting it, the biggest iPod was only 40gb. I think if I want to put all my music on it that an 80gb is going to be in order, so I might have to wait a while further :-) Also, I'm never one for following a trend, I just want a nice convenient way to carry it all round, maybe plug it into my car stereo or something... I haven't looked into the software support or whatever yet, but storage size is a definite issue to me. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: 31 October 2004 15:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Max Benjamin Sutton-Smolin Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ipod Jon: Same kind of software support? Organizing songs, etc? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod > Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the word "Apple" > an > anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on anything except printers or > sauce. > > Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:28 > To: dba-tech > Cc: off topic list > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Oct 31 11:12:31 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:12:31 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012301c4bf6c$d08d9790$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Jon Was brought up in Birmingham (the original one!) and on my way to school every day the bus passed the HP sauce factory. Our kitchen is never without a bottle. Sorry about the OT but I just wanted Jon to know someone got it. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:42 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the > word "Apple" an anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on > anything except printers or sauce. > > Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:28 > To: dba-tech > Cc: off topic list > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Oct 31 11:22:03 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:22:03 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: <012301c4bf6c$d08d9790$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: Thanks Andy, there's always a bottle in my cupboard too :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 31 October 2004 17:13 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod Jon Was brought up in Birmingham (the original one!) and on my way to school every day the bus passed the HP sauce factory. Our kitchen is never without a bottle. Sorry about the OT but I just wanted Jon to know someone got it. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:42 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the > word "Apple" an anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on > anything except printers or sauce. > > Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: 31 October 2004 15:28 > To: dba-tech > Cc: off topic list > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > > Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sun Oct 31 11:56:34 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:56:34 -0500 Subject: OT: RE: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: References: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <4184E102.6047.71293B@localhost> On 31 Oct 2004 at 15:41, Jon Tydda wrote: > Creative Nomad Zen 60gb is where I'm going... Don't want the word > "Apple" an anything but fruit, or the initials "HP" on anything except > printers or sauce. > > Wonder how many people will get that last reference... ;-) It's wonderful on steak!! -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken; a lifetime commitment for a pig. From john at winhaven.net Sun Oct 31 17:52:11 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:52:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: IIRC I read that HP's IPOD is via a reseller's agreement with Apple. So, if true, it's the same device. Apple didn't release the ipod for windows right away and by the time they did it had plenty of competition so apparently HP's need for a device and Apple's need for an established PC channel melded well. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:28 AM To: dba-tech Cc: off topic list Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at users.mns.ru Sun Oct 31 19:43:06 2004 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 04:43:06 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Excel COM Add-In in VB.NET... Message-ID: <001e01c4bfb4$36e4f690$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All. I've just finished converting three Excel Add-ins (.xla) from VBA to VB.NET -> COM Add-ins. What I can say? VS.NET 2003 is a great tool! Last summer I tried to combine two MS Excel add-ins into one, spent quite some time but in the end I found that the result can't be predicted - the more code I put into combined VBA Add-in for MS Excel the less were the chances that this code be stable at all. I stopped that efforts last summer because combined MS Excel started to gpf, it wasn't even possible to open VBA project.... And with VB.NET it all works! The add-in uses DAO, ADO, several legacy COM components, MS XML Core Services etc. - no problem so far... To convert all that stuff totalling about 20,000 code lines took two+ working days... I've packed all that into four .DLLs, they all communicate one with another, there is no duplicated code.... MS forever! Shamil From fhtapia at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 21:46:15 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:46:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod In-Reply-To: References: <00a701c4bf5e$3b3c11c0$6701a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I have a Muvo2 gutted and replaced w/ CF 512. The audio quality is just awesome. so when I get ready to purchase a hdd version, I will be getting the Zen Jukebox Xtra as well, NOT an Ipod. On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:52:11 -0600, John Bartow wrote: > IIRC I read that HP's IPOD is via a reseller's agreement with Apple. So, if > true, it's the same device. Apple didn't release the ipod for windows right > away and by the time they did it had plenty of competition so apparently > HP's need for a device and Apple's need for an established PC channel melded > well. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:28 AM > To: dba-tech > Cc: off topic list > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ipod > > Apple's Ipod versus Hp's Ipod - any opinions? > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Pc This! pc news with out the jargon