[dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation

jmoss111 at bellsouth.net jmoss111 at bellsouth.net
Mon Oct 25 12:36:52 CDT 2004


I thought I had read that AMD was specifying 300 watt power supplies minimum for any Athlon system but I could be wrong. 
> 
> From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> Date: 2004/10/25 Mon PM 01:16:21 EDT
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> 
> I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far.  My
> current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:(
> ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than
> 300W).  The rest of the info is below.  The optical drive is negligible
> because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for
> that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope).
> 
> AMD 3000
> 89W  : Max
> 66W  : Intermediate
> 35W  : Min
> 
> 
> Western Digital Raptor 740GD
> 8.4W : Read/Write
> 
> 
> But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if
> components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest?
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:11 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> 
> 
> I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of
> power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more
> watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at
> the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at
> 100+ watts just for the CPU.
> 
> The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out
> for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration.
> > 
> > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> > 
> > Thanks for the feedback.  In the past, I would have agreed, but this
> model,
> > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues.  They use an
> > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240
> > watt power supply.  With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard
> > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient.
> > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> > 
> > 
> > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a
> small
> > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small
> > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the
> fans
> > in small footprint systems are rather noisy.
> > > 
> > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com>
> > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > > 	<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> > > 
> > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form
> > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle?  I've grown weary over the past
> few
> > > years of having this huge tower on my desk.  Space isn't the issue, my
> > desk
> > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my
> > current
> > > (achievable) wish-list.  The processor is the least expensive option
> > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future
> > > upgrades.  I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming
> machine,
> > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive.  Any comments?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > $319  Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System
> > >       for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU,
> > >       Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3.
> > > 
> > > $179  AMD 3000 90nm 939pin
> > > 
> > > $170  1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM
> > > 
> > > $180  Western Digital Raptor 740GD
> > >       74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive
> > > ____
> > > $848  Total
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> > > 
> > > 
> > > John,
> > > 
> > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine
> and
> > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past
> > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives
> from
> > > NewEgg was $192.
> > > 
> > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got
> to
> > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's
> workstation.
> > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it
> > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into
> > Setup
> > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't
> > want
> > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do
> any
> > > product support; thus their low prices.
> > > 
> > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these
> > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another
> > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one.
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases.
> > > 
> > > > ------------Original Message------------
> > > > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation
> > > > 
> > > > Building is always a good idea.  You might not be able to put a new mb
> 
> > > > in
> > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if
> you 
> > > > buy
> > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old 
> > > > machine in
> > > > your new machine.  You already have a monitor / keyboard.  The new
> > > > motherboards have almost everything else.  You can even find 
> > > > motherboards
> > > > with a video chip on the mb.  Good enough to get you by, perhaps 
> > > > forever.
> > > 
> > > 
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