From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 2 03:41:43 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:41:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFE9@ALCUXB> Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of windows or something? I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start looking. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 2 04:37:28 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:37:28 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB60@stekelbes.ithelps.local> In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to that server you run analyzer on. So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all servers. There is however a simple thing you could do... Of course if your network is not to big. Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the slowwness reoccurs. If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a the trafic LED. Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad wins or DNS configuration.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of windows or something? I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start looking. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 2 04:39:18 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:39:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFEC@ALCUXB> I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to upgrading the servers. Thanks anyway Erwin. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to that server you run analyzer on. So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all servers. There is however a simple thing you could do... Of course if your network is not to big. Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the slowwness reoccurs. If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a the trafic LED. Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad wins or DNS configuration.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of windows or something? I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start looking. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 2 04:58:46 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB65@stekelbes.ithelps.local> If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management software included with the switch. I believe most switches are able to show performances.. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to upgrading the servers. Thanks anyway Erwin. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to that server you run analyzer on. So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all servers. There is however a simple thing you could do... Of course if your network is not to big. Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the slowwness reoccurs. If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a the trafic LED. Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad wins or DNS configuration.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of windows or something? I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start looking. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 08:25:15 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:25:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Message-ID: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Dear Group, I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 2 08:38:19 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9uIFR5ZGRh?=) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:38:19 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IFtkYmEtVGVjaF0gQ2FsY3VsYXRvcg==?= Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFF2@ALCUXB> I don't know the answer to this, but there's a little trick I can tell you to save you having to switch logins every time you need to open a program as the administrator. If you hold shift and right click on an icon, it brings up a different context menu, with an entry labelled "Run as". If you select this, you can enter a different set of login credentials to run that single program as a different user. I use it all the time at work when I'm checking out other people's pc problems. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 14:25 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Dear Group, I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 2 08:49:49 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:49:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Message-ID: That is a strange phenomenon...especially through an OS upgrade. Off-hand the only thing that comes to mind is the screen resolution. Wild A$$ guess, but do you have it set to some off-the-wall aspect ratio that calc.exe can't interpolate? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Dear Group, I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 09:23:49 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:23:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB65@stekelbes.ithelps.local> References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB65@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. good luck On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > software included with the switch. > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > upgrading the servers. > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to > that server you run analyzer on. > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > servers. > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > Of course if your network is not to big. > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when > you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > slowwness reoccurs. > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > the trafic LED. > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > wins or DNS configuration.... > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of > windows or something? > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's > slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is > to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start > looking. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:30:51 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:30:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFF2@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFF2@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <20040902093051.1525110624.serbach@new.rr.com> Jon, >> If you hold shift and right click on an icon, it brings up a different context menu, with an entry labelled "Run as". << I didn't know that one, though I've seen that dialog pop up at various times. Thanks for the tip. This chopped off window thing has actually affected other stuff. I haven't noticed it yet in Windows XP, but there were a number of times in Win 2000 when I'd be installing a Microsoft program and the dialog boxes would be truncated: I'd only see about 1/2 of the dialog, the upper-left quadrant. So I couldn't see any command buttons nor radio buttons. I run my monitor at 1152 x 864, so sometimes I'd be able to proceed normally if I lowered the resolution and re-logged in as Administrator. But this calculator thing has followed me over to XP. I do a fair amount of decimal-to-hex conversion when I'm coding web pages by hand and it's become a bit tedious to type in the decimal number blindly and then copy and paste the hex result into my editor. Is this something, maybe, to do with the video driver? Steve From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 2 09:45:52 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9uIFR5ZGRh?=) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:45:52 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IFtkYmEtVGVjaF0gQ2FsY3VsYXRvcg==?= Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFFA@ALCUXB> Try running at 1024*768 as standard - I can't believe the size is that different, I bet that fixes it. If not, habve you installed SP2 yet? That might be next on your list... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 15:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Jon, >> If you hold shift and right click on an icon, it brings up a different context menu, with an entry labelled "Run as". << I didn't know that one, though I've seen that dialog pop up at various times. Thanks for the tip. This chopped off window thing has actually affected other stuff. I haven't noticed it yet in Windows XP, but there were a number of times in Win 2000 when I'd be installing a Microsoft program and the dialog boxes would be truncated: I'd only see about 1/2 of the dialog, the upper-left quadrant. So I couldn't see any command buttons nor radio buttons. I run my monitor at 1152 x 864, so sometimes I'd be able to proceed normally if I lowered the resolution and re-logged in as Administrator. But this calculator thing has followed me over to XP. I do a fair amount of decimal-to-hex conversion when I'm coding web pages by hand and it's become a bit tedious to type in the decimal number blindly and then copy and paste the hex result into my editor. Is this something, maybe, to do with the video driver? Steve _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 2 09:46:17 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:46:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFFB@ALCUXB> Great, thanks Francisco, I'll have a look in a bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 15:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. good luck On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > software included with the switch. > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > upgrading the servers. > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to > that server you run analyzer on. > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > servers. > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > Of course if your network is not to big. > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when > you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > slowwness reoccurs. > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > the trafic LED. > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > wins or DNS configuration.... > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of > windows or something? > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's > slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is > to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start > looking. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 09:49:01 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:49:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902093139.1867686271.serbach@new.rr.com> References: <20040902093139.1867686271.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040902094901.252506320.serbach@new.rr.com> Mark, >> Wild A$$ guess, but do you have it set to some off-the-wall aspect ratio that calc.exe can't interpolate? << Nice try! I changed my screen resolution to 1024 x 768 from my normal 1152 x 864, restarted my w/s, and tried the calculator...but no dice. I see the same truncated window. And, of course, it's a fixed size dialog box, so no scroll bars and no resizing. Thanks for the attempt. I think I might try to find a freeware dec-to-hex converter. That's the only thing I use the Windows calculator for anyway. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The too open mind is an empty mind." - Douglas Kern From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 2 10:11:03 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: download http://www.wolfwares.com/MoveWindows.exe It's a little utility that I wrote for my brother. He used to use multiple monitors, now he only runs one. Some programs in 'normal view' would go off screen, so he used this utility to find the window, and 'move' it so that it was on screen. When he would close the windows, they would save the new settings. Give it a whirl. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Dear Group, I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 2 10:16:14 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:16:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, Did you upgrade over w2k or do a fresh install of XP? If you upgraded that could be your problem. It may have "upgraded" the problem from 2k to XP :o( Sorry if this sounds too simple but have you tried removing the calculator via Windows XP Add/Remove applet then adding it back again? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:25 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Dear Group, I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 10:44:44 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:44:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: yeah, never do an Upgrade. Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. If you want you can also try a simple test by simply installing WindowsXP (no upgrade) to a seperate location on your hdd, (so instead of WinNT, use WinXP or WinTEST etc,) and then check your calculator. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:25:15 -0500, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > I'm almost too embarrassed to ask about this. I recently upgraded my Windows 2000 w/s to Windows XP Pro. All went pretty well except for a couple of programs that wouldn't work unless I logged in with Administrator rights. > > One thing that I hoped would be "fixed" when I upgraded was the Windows calculator. In Windows 2000 I'd start up the calculator to translate from decimal to hex and back. The standard calculator looked and acted just fine; but when I would switch to scientific the calculator window would get a bit taller to accommodate the extra rows of keys, but it wouldn't get any wider. And no scroll bar to see what's on the right side of the calculator. It would still work. I could type in a decimal number, hit the Hex button, and Ctrl-C the result into my HTML editor, say. But for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the darn thing wouldn't let me see the whole scientific calculator. > > Now that I've upgraded to XP the calculator still acts in the goofy fashion. Does anyone have a clue as to what I can do to cure this? > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From steve.grant at stgsolutions.com Thu Sep 2 11:31:18 2004 From: steve.grant at stgsolutions.com (Steve Grant) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:31:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFFB@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000401c4910a$49a4e3e0$0332110a@ql130> EtherReal is also available for Windows: http://www.ethereal.com/download.html I use it and it works great! Steve -----Message d'origine----- De?: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de Jon Tydda Envoy??: 2 septembre 2004 10:46 ??: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Objet?: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Great, thanks Francisco, I'll have a look in a bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 15:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. good luck On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > software included with the switch. > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > upgrading the servers. > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to > that server you run analyzer on. > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > servers. > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > Of course if your network is not to big. > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when > you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > slowwness reoccurs. > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > the trafic LED. > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > wins or DNS configuration.... > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of > windows or something? > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's > slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is > to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start > looking. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 13:31:03 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:31:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFFA@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFFA@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <20040902133103.577411132.serbach@new.rr.com> Jon, >> Try running at 1024*768 as standard - I can't believe the size is that different, I bet that fixes it. If not, habve you installed SP2 yet? That might be next on your list... << I tried 1024 x 768 when I read Mark's message; re-started with that resolution, but got the same result. I installed SP2 last week, so I'm in the throes of it right now. Thanks, Jon. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 15:25:26 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:25:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Francisco, >> Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. << Why, oh why would I want to do a fresh install? The only reason I can think of for doing that is because I'm a born masochist who enjoys re-installing every single stinking application on my workstation. I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. I just bought two new PCs to replace our two main workstations we've lived with for over 4 1/2 years. In the summer of 2001 I did fresh installs on both of those PCs to bring them up to Windows 2000. It took two weeks before I could make my w/s settle down. I was then able to take that hard-won knowledge and re-install everything on my wife's system in only about 12 hours. I've now upgraded my current workstation to get used to Windows XP. I will eventually convert it to a Small Business Server or some such. I helped my wife get her new w/s up and running with all its software over the past two weeks. I haven't done so with my new workstation yet because I hate the very idea of having to do it again! Sheesh! Serial numbers, Windows updates, service packs, etc., etc. Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Thu Sep 2 15:47:55 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:47:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <006801c4912e$24849b90$0c0110ac@toshnb> Steven, >Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows >will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without >having to do a re-install. That would be nice. >But why did Microsoft >wait so long? Um, 'cuz their biz model isn't 'we sell it to you once, you use it forever'? P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven W. Erbach To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator Francisco, >> Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. << Why, oh why would I want to do a fresh install? The only reason I can think of for doing that is because I'm a born masochist who enjoys re-installing every single stinking application on my workstation. I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. I just bought two new PCs to replace our two main workstations we've lived with for over 4 1/2 years. In the summer of 2001 I did fresh installs on both of those PCs to bring them up to Windows 2000. It took two weeks before I could make my w/s settle down. I was then able to take that hard-won knowledge and re-install everything on my wife's system in only about 12 hours. I've now upgraded my current workstation to get used to Windows XP. I will eventually convert it to a Small Business Server or some such. I helped my wife get her new w/s up and running with all its software over the past two weeks. I haven't done so with my new workstation yet because I hate the very idea of having to do it again! Sheesh! Serial numbers, Windows updates, service packs, etc., etc. Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 16:41:40 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:41:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040902164140.1518602664.serbach@new.rr.com> John, >> Sorry if this sounds too simple but have you tried removing the calculator via Windows XP Add/Remove applet then adding it back again? << At least that was quick to check. Nope, it still presents me with a truncated window. I'm going to give up now and get a different calculator. Thanks, John. Steve Erbach From serbach at new.rr.com Thu Sep 2 16:49:33 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:49:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <006801c4912e$24849b90$0c0110ac@toshnb> References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> <006801c4912e$24849b90$0c0110ac@toshnb> Message-ID: <20040902164933.2022489871.serbach@new.rr.com> Peter, >> Um, 'cuz their biz model isn't 'we sell it to you once, you use it forever'? << You have a point. But, man, I look over at my new system sitting here on some spare horizontal surface (precious little of that, let me tell you). It's an Athlon 64 with a gigabyte of RAM and twin 80 GB drives and an 8x AGP graphics card and a clear side panel so you can see inside and a Thermalright XP-120 CPU cooler with an accompanying 120 mm CPU fan...and I just dread going ahead with re-installing everything. I've got Windows XP Pro up to SP2 and a couple of security programs on it, but that's all. Gawd! My wrist gets sympathetic carpal tunnel syndrome when I just think of re-installing all my s/w. Steve Erbach From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 2 17:03:59 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:03:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902093051.1525110624.serbach@new.rr.com> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFF2@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4138256F.23158.3320E1E@lexacorp.com.pg> On 2 Sep 2004 at 9:30, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > > This chopped off window thing has actually affected other stuff. I > haven't noticed it yet in Windows XP, but there were a number of times > in Win 2000 when I'd be installing a Microsoft program and the dialog > boxes would be truncated: What do you have in your "Desktop Properties-Settings-Advanced-General" under "Display - Font size"? Try changing it, especially if you have it set to a custom Scaling percentage. -- Stuart From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 17:32:42 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:32:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Steven, I'm no masochist either, which is why I keep my system running as stable as possible, no more wierd overclocking utilities, or overclocking hardware. With the release of Windows (95/98/se/ME) and then later nt/2k/xp I've found that upgrade installs often miss something in the process. I do not know if it is because a particular .sys file was upgraded in the course of time and when the installation program looked for particular dated files it skipped them or some other such thing. BUT I do now that fresh installs vs upgrades give me less headaches. Now you don't care enough about the calculator to re-install your system, but I bet it irks you every time you wish to run it, or when you hover your mouse over it... I bet it bugs you enough to ponder, WHAT THE HECK is causing that! :D, that fresh OS install helps avoid that. Plus not to mention it helps prune software that you may not be using anymore. I had to go through a similar experiance recently when I screwed around w/ my registry one tooo many times and hacked it all to hell... oh well.. I just ran a registry cleaner, and uninstalled a slew of programs, then re-installed all the ones I acctually use. it was good for my pc as things now run A LOT faster. btw, w/ you AV subscription, yes you CAN transfer it, but you MUST uninstall it from the original 'puter in order to be within the guidelines of the EULA. and there IS something like what you are describing now re:program transfer, you don't have to wait for then next Windows INOVATIVE OS ;P. I forget the title, but it goes along the lines of transfer my pc, or copy my pc... it literally reads your registry of pc1 and installs the correcto registry keys into pc2. don't know how well it works w/ Office and their activaton keys... but that's another reason I hate all this new activation software... On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:25:26 -0500, Steven W. Erbach wrote: > I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. > Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? > > Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. > > The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 2 18:12:01 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:12:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, There are many free calculators available so I agree that it certainly isn't cause for much grief. On the upgrading issue. I do not upgrade because it simply is not as reliable. I don't want unreliable computers on my clients site because their frustrating enough once a user touches them :o) If its good enough for them - its good enough for! One of my mantras to clients - "If something won't work - it won't work when you need it the most!" I usually use that during the backup speech :o) I realize it does take a lot of time to install all of the software we use. I get around this by having a KVM switch. I continue to use my PC until such time as I can use the new one. I load the new one in between doing other things - because much of the time loading new systems is "stare at the screen and watch the progress bar" time. I have my KVM cables set up to run four computers from one keyboard/monitor/mouse. This way I take up very little space with a per computer. I pull the cables from one of the computers plug it into the new one and I'm off. Install Windows - start the job - hot key over to my graphics PC and continue working - hot key over to my main PC and check AccessD mail - hot key back to the new one press OK. Hot key back to... yada-yada. So approx. $100 gets you a mission control center :o) If I were so inclined - I could have one heck of a nice gaming PC set up and play all the time and no one would never know ;o) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator Francisco, >> Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. << Why, oh why would I want to do a fresh install? The only reason I can think of for doing that is because I'm a born masochist who enjoys re-installing every single stinking application on my workstation. I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. I just bought two new PCs to replace our two main workstations we've lived with for over 4 1/2 years. In the summer of 2001 I did fresh installs on both of those PCs to bring them up to Windows 2000. It took two weeks before I could make my w/s settle down. I was then able to take that hard-won knowledge and re-install everything on my wife's system in only about 12 hours. I've now upgraded my current workstation to get used to Windows XP. I will eventually convert it to a Small Business Server or some such. I helped my wife get her new w/s up and running with all its software over the past two weeks. I haven't done so with my new workstation yet because I hate the very idea of having to do it again! Sheesh! Serial numbers, Windows updates, service packs, etc., etc. Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 2 20:15:22 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:15:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools In-Reply-To: <000401c4910a$49a4e3e0$0332110a@ql130> References: <000401c4910a$49a4e3e0$0332110a@ql130> Message-ID: NICE! On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:31:18 -0400, Steve Grant wrote: > EtherReal is also available for Windows: > > http://www.ethereal.com/download.html > > I use it and it works great! > > Steve > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de Jon Tydda > Envoy? : 2 septembre 2004 10:46 > ? : 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Objet : RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > > > Great, thanks Francisco, I'll have a look in a bit. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] > Sent: 02 September 2004 15:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet > monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, > configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is > segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install > it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and > save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. > > good luck > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps > wrote: > > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > > software included with the switch. > > > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > > upgrading the servers. > > > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic to > > that server you run analyzer on. > > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > > servers. > > > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > > Of course if your network is not to big. > > > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub when > > you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > > slowwness reoccurs. > > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > > the trafic LED. > > > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > > wins or DNS configuration.... > > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part of > > windows or something? > > > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and it's > > slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what it is > > to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to start > > looking. > > > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > > > Jon > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : > > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 01:18:16 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:18:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought a cheapy KVM off of Ebay, It's been great.. I have my main pc and a linux box sitting next to me running knoppix. Occasionally I do a hard drive install and what not while I don't mind trashing it to bits... my sysAdmin at work gave his DVD copy of Suse 9, i want to try this version out as I've heard its' one of the better distro's out there. lastly, at work I use a Linksys 4 way KVM switch it has been increadably reliable, I don't loose scroll wheel or anything when switching between any of the 3 pc's I have sitting under my desk. What brand KVM switch are you using at home? On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:12:01 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Steve, > There are many free calculators available so I agree that it certainly isn't cause for much grief. > > On the upgrading issue. I do not upgrade because it simply is not as reliable. I don't want unreliable computers on my clients site because their frustrating enough once a user touches them :o) If its good enough for them - its good enough for! One of my mantras to clients - "If something won't work - it won't work when you need it the most!" I usually use that during the backup speech :o) > > I realize it does take a lot of time to install all of the software we use. I get around this by having a KVM switch. I continue to use my PC until such time as I can use the new one. I load the new one in between doing other things - because much of the time loading new systems is "stare at the screen and watch the progress bar" time. > > I have my KVM cables set up to run four computers from one keyboard/monitor/mouse. This way I take up very little space with a per computer. I pull the cables from one of the computers plug it into the new one and I'm off. Install Windows - start the job - hot key over to my graphics PC and continue working - hot key over to my main PC and check AccessD mail - hot key back to the new one press OK. Hot key back to... yada-yada. > > So approx. $100 gets you a mission control center :o) > > If I were so inclined - I could have one heck of a nice gaming PC set up and play all the time and no one would never know ;o) > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator > > Francisco, > > >> Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. << > > Why, oh why would I want to do a fresh install? The only reason I can think of for doing that is because I'm a born masochist who enjoys re-installing every single stinking application on my workstation. > > I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. > > I just bought two new PCs to replace our two main workstations we've lived with for over 4 1/2 years. In the summer of 2001 I did fresh installs on both of those PCs to bring them up to Windows 2000. It took two weeks before I could make my w/s settle down. I was then able to take that hard-won knowledge and re-install everything on my wife's system in only about 12 hours. > > I've now upgraded my current workstation to get used to Windows XP. I will eventually convert it to a Small Business Server or some such. I helped my wife get her new w/s up and running with all its software over the past two weeks. I haven't done so with my new workstation yet because I hate the very idea of having to do it again! Sheesh! Serial numbers, Windows updates, service packs, etc., etc. > > Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? > > Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. > > The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Sep 3 04:22:39 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:22:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB72@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Thank you I always tought those monitors where extremely expensive... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Grant Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE : [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools EtherReal is also available for Windows: http://www.ethereal.com/download.html I use it and it works great! Steve -----Message d'origine----- De?: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de Jon Tydda Envoy??: 2 septembre 2004 10:46 ??: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Objet?: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Great, thanks Francisco, I'll have a look in a bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 15:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. good luck On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > software included with the switch. > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > upgrading the servers. > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic > to that server you run analyzer on. > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > servers. > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > Of course if your network is not to big. > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub > when you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > slowwness reoccurs. > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > the trafic LED. > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > wins or DNS configuration.... > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part > of windows or something? > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and > it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what > it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to > start looking. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 3 04:23:23 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:23:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B005@ALCUXB> Yeah, me too, that's why I asked :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 03 September 2004 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE : [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Thank you I always tought those monitors where extremely expensive... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Grant Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE : [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools EtherReal is also available for Windows: http://www.ethereal.com/download.html I use it and it works great! Steve -----Message d'origine----- De?: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de Jon Tydda Envoy??: 2 septembre 2004 10:46 ??: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Objet?: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools Great, thanks Francisco, I'll have a look in a bit. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 02 September 2004 15:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools visit knoppix.com and download their Knoppix ISO, they have a packet monitoring utility... etherReal, which is a very effective, configurable "FREE" network sniffer. And if your network is segmented, because it's a LIVE CD (meaning you don't have to install it to use it, you just boot from it) you can take the CD anywhere and save the results down to a thumbstick or floppy. good luck On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:58:46 +0200, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote: > If you have a intelligent switch with management you can probably > connect to it via IP or with an RS-232 Cable using the management > software included with the switch. > > I believe most switches are able to show performances.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:39 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > I think my network's a bit big for that - got nearly 100 workstations > and 6 servers talking to each other, and all using the internet as well. > I might see if I can push for a gigabit switch next time we come to > upgrading the servers. > > Thanks anyway Erwin. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] > Sent: 02 September 2004 10:37 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > In windows server is a network analyze included to monitor all trafic > to that server you run analyzer on. > So if its P2P trafic it will not show up. > If you have multiple server you will need to run the software on all > servers. > > There is however a simple thing you could do... > Of course if your network is not to big. > > Just look 5 or 10 minutes at the trafic LED's of your switch or hub > when you experiance the slowness. Do that a couple of times when the > slowwness reoccurs. > If it is one station causing the trafic you will probably notice it a > the trafic LED. > > Ofcourse the slowness of your network can be another issue to like bad > wins or DNS configuration.... > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 AM > To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network bandwidth monitoring tools > > Hi all, does anyone know of any cheap (free?) network bandwidth > monitoring tools that are available for download from the net or part > of windows or something? > > I think something is producing a lot of traffic on our network and > it's slowing everything down lots... I'd like to try and find out what > it is to get thinsg back up to speed, but I really don't know where to > start looking. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are > subject to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division > of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From marcus at tsstech.com Fri Sep 3 06:31:07 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:31:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Message-ID: Francisco, < wrote: > I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. > Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? > > Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. > > The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like > that." - George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Fri Sep 3 08:36:29 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:36:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41383B1D.32734.1FD202@localhost> On 2 Sep 2004 at 23:18, Francisco Tapia wrote: > I bought a cheapy KVM off of Ebay, It's been great.. I have my main pc > and a linux box sitting next to me running knoppix. Occasionally I do > a hard drive install and what not while I don't mind trashing it to > bits... my sysAdmin at work gave his DVD copy of Suse 9, i want to try > this version out as I've heard its' one of the better distro's out > there. Franciso, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Suse and KVMs don't play well. :( I had Suse 9 installed on a second PC connected with a KVM and when I switched from Suse to my XP box and back I lost all use of the mouse. :( It is a know problem with some Linux Distros. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 09:12:16 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:12:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040903091216.952260781.serbach@new.rr.com> Drew, That did it! I wondered whether the new window size setting would "stick" once I'd closed the Calculator and the MoveWindows program...but lo! and behold! they *did* stick! I notice now that when I switch to the normal 4-function calculator that the window width stays the same. That is, the simpler calculator doesn't have a correspondingly smaller window size, although the height changes. But then when I change back to Scientific I see all the keys! Gad! What a situation. Thanks, Drew. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Security and Virus information: http://www.swerbach.com/security From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 09:21:01 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:21:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <4138256F.23158.3320E1E@lexacorp.com.pg> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63AFF2@ALCUXB> <4138256F.23158.3320E1E@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <20040903092101.196453014.serbach@new.rr.com> Stuart, >> What do you have in your "Desktop Properties-Settings-Advanced-General" under "Display - Font size"? << Hmmm, all I see on that tab are DPI setting and a set of radio buttons for applying new display settings. Now, this dialog box has been modified by the ATI driver for the RADEON 7500. Perhaps the font size selection has moved elsewhere? I have, however, with Drew's help fixed the problem. His MoveWindow.exe did the trick to make the Calculator window stay at a certain size. Thanks for your help. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 09:28:30 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040903092830.594506818.serbach@new.rr.com> Francisco, >> I bet it bugs you enough to ponder, WHAT THE HECK is causing that! :D << Oh, you bet. Doing decimal-to-hex conversions is all I want it for; thank goodness I don't have to operate the calculator with the mouse. Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Esc all work just dandy. And I've gotten used to visualising Windows screens what with all the help I supply to people over the phone! >> it was good for my pc << A therapeutic re-installation, eh? >> btw, w/ you AV subscription, yes you CAN transfer it, but you MUST uninstall it from the original 'puter in order to be within the guidelines of the EULA. << That's a relief to know that. I was wondering whether I had to contact Symantec to finalize the subscription transfer since I have no idea how they're monitoring the remaining AV subscription. >> that's another reason I hate all this new activation software... << Sometimes I just revel in the use of my PCs; other times I wonder why I even bother since the number of annoyances increases over time. And with my clients having PCs with various operating systems, I find I have to carry around a lot of excess baggage in the form of PC knowledge that I wish I could just forget. I even have a DOS client who just won't budge, though I've gotten Windows installed on about half of his computers, too. Thanks for being such a good sport considering my rant yesterday. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "PRACTICAL HOMEMAKER TIP -- Always keep an open box of baking soda in your refrigerator. That way, when people come to your house to visit, you can say: 'Would you care for some cold baking soda?' Then they will leave." - Dave Barry From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 09:33:53 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:33:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040902152526.1129401799.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040903093353.1929094224.serbach@new.rr.com> John, >> One of my mantras to clients - "If something won't work - it won't work when you need it the most!" I usually use that during the backup speech :o) << Ah! A variation on Pournelle's CND -- Critical Need Detector! >> I load the new one in between doing other things - because much of the time loading new systems is "stare at the screen and watch the progress bar" time. << That's a fact, friend, and I'd been considering a KVM switch. I want to convert our old workstations (667 MHz and 800 Mhz) into a SQL Server and a Small Business or Windows Server. It's been too long that I've avoided learning more about them. >> If I were so inclined - I could have one heck of a nice gaming PC set up and play all the time and no one would never know ;o) << Well, you've got your own business, right? How does anyone know whether you spend half the day reading the Drudge Report or not? Thanks for the reminder about the KVM switch, though. I will definitely follow that one up. Steve From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 09:48:14 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:48:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I actually have two - my PS2 model is use an Edimax Genie 4 port and my new USB model is a IOGear Extreme 4 port. USB peripherals and sound systems can be shared with that one too. I've used other PS2 brands in the past at various jobs and they all seemed to work as advertised. I've used them with pin converters on the PCs and various OSs but never Suse. I don't know why it wouldn't work because the KVM sends the appropriate signals to all powered on machines irregardless if you're actually using that machine or not so that the OS thinks the equipment is there. I suppose it could be an issue though. Every now and then when I hot key over to a PC (via the PS2 model) the mouse doesn't work. I just hot key back and forth again and it works. I've thought that maybe I just didn't hot key quite right (as I get a bit lazy on how hard I press the keys and sometimes it doesn't even switch) Maybe my keyboard is just getting worn out there! I probably need to change my hot key sequence to a function key or something. Right now its Ctrl-Ctrl followed by the number or the KVM port. I could just change it to F12 and make it easier on my tendons... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator I bought a cheapy KVM off of Ebay, It's been great.. I have my main pc and a linux box sitting next to me running knoppix. Occasionally I do a hard drive install and what not while I don't mind trashing it to bits... my sysAdmin at work gave his DVD copy of Suse 9, i want to try this version out as I've heard its' one of the better distro's out there. lastly, at work I use a Linksys 4 way KVM switch it has been increadably reliable, I don't loose scroll wheel or anything when switching between any of the 3 pc's I have sitting under my desk. What brand KVM switch are you using at home? On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:12:01 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Steve, > There are many free calculators available so I agree that it certainly isn't cause for much grief. > > On the upgrading issue. I do not upgrade because it simply is not as reliable. I don't want unreliable computers on my clients site because their frustrating enough once a user touches them :o) If its good enough for them - its good enough for! One of my mantras to clients - "If something won't work - it won't work when you need it the most!" I usually use that during the backup speech :o) > > I realize it does take a lot of time to install all of the software we use. I get around this by having a KVM switch. I continue to use my PC until such time as I can use the new one. I load the new one in between doing other things - because much of the time loading new systems is "stare at the screen and watch the progress bar" time. > > I have my KVM cables set up to run four computers from one keyboard/monitor/mouse. This way I take up very little space with a per computer. I pull the cables from one of the computers plug it into the new one and I'm off. Install Windows - start the job - hot key over to my graphics PC and continue working - hot key over to my main PC and check AccessD mail - hot key back to the new one press OK. Hot key back to... yada-yada. > > So approx. $100 gets you a mission control center :o) > > If I were so inclined - I could have one heck of a nice gaming PC set up and play all the time and no one would never know ;o) > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. > Erbach > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:25 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator > > Francisco, > > >> Visit your local software shop or Symantec.com and get yourself a copy of Ghost, backup your system (can be done to CDs, DVDs or HDDs), and THEN, run a FRESH install of WindowsXP. << > > Why, oh why would I want to do a fresh install? The only reason I can think of for doing that is because I'm a born masochist who enjoys re-installing every single stinking application on my workstation. > > I have Ghost and I use it to backup my hard disk to another similar drive. But what's with the upgrade vs. fresh install bit? In the course of my life with computers I've upgraded operating systems, what, a dozen or more times? Every single time was an enormous disruption whether I upgraded or did a fresh install. > > I just bought two new PCs to replace our two main workstations we've lived with for over 4 1/2 years. In the summer of 2001 I did fresh installs on both of those PCs to bring them up to Windows 2000. It took two weeks before I could make my w/s settle down. I was then able to take that hard-won knowledge and re-install everything on my wife's system in only about 12 hours. > > I've now upgraded my current workstation to get used to Windows XP. I will eventually convert it to a Small Business Server or some such. I helped my wife get her new w/s up and running with all its software over the past two weeks. I haven't done so with my new workstation yet because I hate the very idea of having to do it again! Sheesh! Serial numbers, Windows updates, service packs, etc., etc. > > Speaking of software upgrades, before I bought our new workstations I re-subscribed to Norton Anti-Virus on my system. Do you or does anybody here know if I can transfer the remaining subscription to my new system? > > Anyway, Hindman told me that the NEXT version of Windows will allow me to transfer software installations to a new PC without having to do a re-install. That would be nice. But why did Microsoft wait so long? This is what I miss most about DOS: no bleeding Registry. Just copy the software and be done with it. > > The calculator isn't that important to me to even think about re-installing every program over again on my current system. No offense, but no thanks. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > > "You must be an intellectual. No normal person would say a thing like that." - George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 09:57:36 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:57:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040903093353.1929094224.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, A Pournelle, reading A Mote in God's Eye right now... Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, monitor or mouse once its all set up. Yes, I run my "own" business - but if my boss found out I was playing games during the work day I'd be in deep doo-doo land! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator John, >> One of my mantras to clients - "If something won't work - it won't work when you need it the most!" I usually use that during the backup speech :o) << Ah! A variation on Pournelle's CND -- Critical Need Detector! >> I load the new one in between doing other things - because much of the time loading new systems is "stare at the screen and watch the progress bar" time. << That's a fact, friend, and I'd been considering a KVM switch. I want to convert our old workstations (667 MHz and 800 Mhz) into a SQL Server and a Small Business or Windows Server. It's been too long that I've avoided learning more about them. >> If I were so inclined - I could have one heck of a nice gaming PC set up and play all the time and no one would never know ;o) << Well, you've got your own business, right? How does anyone know whether you spend half the day reading the Drudge Report or not? Thanks for the reminder about the KVM switch, though. I will definitely follow that one up. Steve _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 09:57:37 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:57:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040903092830.594506818.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Yes, good luck on that call... That's a relief to know that. I was wondering whether I had to contact Symantec to finalize the subscription transfer since I have no idea how they're monitoring the remaining AV subscription. From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 3 10:05:26 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:05:26 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6217469009.20040903170526@cactus.dk> Hi John et all We use the VNC remote control to get access to servers - local or remote - and across the Internet too. Very convenient! /gustav > Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's > a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, > monitor or mouse once its all set up. From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Sep 3 10:10:46 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:10:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3097829A@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7C9@ADGSERVER> I missed Drew's "fix". Could you tell us what it was? Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Drew, That did it! I wondered whether the new window size setting would "stick" once I'd closed the Calculator and the MoveWindows program...but lo! and behold! they *did* stick! I notice now that when I switch to the normal 4-function calculator that the window width stays the same. That is, the simpler calculator doesn't have a correspondingly smaller window size, although the height changes. But then when I change back to Scientific I see all the keys! Gad! What a situation. Thanks, Drew. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Security and Virus information: http://www.swerbach.com/security _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Sep 3 10:12:11 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:12:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040903091216.952260781.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Glad it worked. Just a little reverse engineering of window processes however, to see why I built that .exe in the first place. If you build a VB program, you'll discover that a lot of the things you take for granted in a program window are not 'automatic'. IE, if you resize a form, the controls don't resize automatically. If you move a window and close it, the new dimensions/positions are not recorded. So if you think about it, every program on your computer has to 'remember' it's last position/size. It has to be stored somewhere. Could be a .dat file, could be the registry (more then likely it's there), but then you have to figure out how it's actually stored. I believe there are two main reasons for the window 'issues' that I have seen with size/position. 1, the registry is corrupt, or 2, something 'tricked' the program. For #2, it can be anything from having multiple monitors, to switching to an extrememly small resolution momentarily. (Or moving a window partially off of the screen and closing it). Either way, the values it uses to start up with are goofed. That .exe was actually for windows that were completely off screen in Normal view, however, with a non resizable window, you have the same problem, so you were the first to confirm my 'theory' in fixing the issue. Essentially the fix is you are manually changing the window size through API's, then normally closing the window, letting it's own code save the size/position. Not sure why the normal view doesn't kick back down to size. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Drew, That did it! I wondered whether the new window size setting would "stick" once I'd closed the Calculator and the MoveWindows program...but lo! and behold! they *did* stick! I notice now that when I switch to the normal 4-function calculator that the window width stays the same. That is, the simpler calculator doesn't have a correspondingly smaller window size, although the height changes. But then when I change back to Scientific I see all the keys! Gad! What a situation. Thanks, Drew. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Security and Virus information: http://www.swerbach.com/security _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 3 10:31:33 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:31:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00B@ALCUXB> Yeah, we've got Dameware and RAdmin, although a lot of virus scanners pick up RAdmin as a potential threat... weird ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator Hi John et all We use the VNC remote control to get access to servers - local or remote - and across the Internet too. Very convenient! /gustav > Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's > a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, > monitor or mouse once its all set up. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 10:35:29 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:35:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Message-ID: I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 3 10:36:21 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00D@ALCUXB> I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 10:44:53 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:44:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) In-Reply-To: <6217469009.20040903170526@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Is that a unit that uses the network to send all signals to and from the monitor, mouse and keyboard? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator Hi John et all We use the VNC remote control to get access to servers - local or remote - and across the Internet too. Very convenient! /gustav > Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's > a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, > monitor or mouse once its all set up. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 10:46:39 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:46:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00D@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Fri Sep 3 10:48:20 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:48:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7C9@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Here's what I posted: download http://www.wolfwares.com/MoveWindows.exe It's a little utility that I wrote for my brother. He used to use multiple monitors, now he only runs one. Some programs in 'normal view' would go off screen, so he used this utility to find the window, and 'move' it so that it was on screen. When he would close the windows, they would save the new settings. Give it a whirl. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator I missed Drew's "fix". Could you tell us what it was? Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Drew, That did it! I wondered whether the new window size setting would "stick" once I'd closed the Calculator and the MoveWindows program...but lo! and behold! they *did* stick! I notice now that when I switch to the normal 4-function calculator that the window width stays the same. That is, the simpler calculator doesn't have a correspondingly smaller window size, although the height changes. But then when I change back to Scientific I see all the keys! Gad! What a situation. Thanks, Drew. Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 Security and Virus information: http://www.swerbach.com/security _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 3 10:48:06 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:48:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00F@ALCUXB> I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 10:54:16 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:54:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00D@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00D@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <20040903105416.1935458881.serbach@new.rr.com> Jon, >> the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes << Amen, Reverend! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society. The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself." - Patrick Moynihan From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 10:56:09 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:56:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: References: <20040903091216.952260781.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040903105609.245422227.serbach@new.rr.com> Drew, >> you were the first to confirm my 'theory' in fixing the issue. << WHAT??!! I was a GUINEA PIG??!! I am mortified!! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "Being steadfast in defense of carefully considered convictions is a virtue. Being blankly incapable of distinguishing cherished hopes from disappointing facts, or of reassessing comforting doctrines in face of contrary evidence, is a crippling political vice." - George Will From serbach at new.rr.com Fri Sep 3 10:56:51 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7C9@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3097829A@ADGSERVER> <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7C9@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <20040903105651.199366919.serbach@new.rr.com> Bobby, http://www.wolfwares.com/MoveWindows.exe Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI "I think someone needs to explain to the Democrats that having your picture taken is not what most veterans mean by 'being shot at.' " - Ann Coulter From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 3 10:55:07 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:55:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1320449594.20040903175507@cactus.dk> Hi John No, it's a free to use remote control application: http://www.realvnc.com/what.html For more demanding uses (like local print) we use Danware's Netop Remote Control. /gustav > Is that a unit that uses the network to send all signals to and from the > monitor, mouse and keyboard? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator > Hi John et all > We use the VNC remote control to get access to servers - local or > remote - and across the Internet too. Very convenient! > /gustav >> Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's >> a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, >> monitor or mouse once its all set up. From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 11:06:14 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:06:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B00F@ALCUXB> Message-ID: If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 11:06:18 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:06:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) In-Reply-To: <1320449594.20040903175507@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll check it out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) Hi John No, it's a free to use remote control application: http://www.realvnc.com/what.html For more demanding uses (like local print) we use Danware's Netop Remote Control. /gustav > Is that a unit that uses the network to send all signals to and from the > monitor, mouse and keyboard? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:05 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator > Hi John et all > We use the VNC remote control to get access to servers - local or > remote - and across the Internet too. Very convenient! > /gustav >> Good point on the SQL Server - I have my server on the KVM and it's >> a great benefit space wise, because you rarely need a keyboard, >> monitor or mouse once its all set up. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Sep 3 11:56:09 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:56:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309782EE@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7CB@ADGSERVER> Thanks Drew. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Here's what I posted: download http://www.wolfwares.com/MoveWindows.exe It's a little utility that I wrote for my brother. He used to use multiple monitors, now he only runs one. Some programs in 'normal view' would go off screen, so he used this utility to find the window, and 'move' it so that it was on screen. When he would close the windows, they would save the new settings. Give it a whirl. Drew From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Sep 3 12:32:57 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:32:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 References: Message-ID: <004101c491dc$0dae0ec0$0200a8c0@upstairs> No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 12:58:42 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:58:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <004101c491dc$0dae0ec0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: Oh, OK its a McAfee issue - that explains a lot! Jon, do yourself a favor and try another brand... Norton, Trend, CA eTrust, Grisoft, Panda - they all are above McAfee IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Sep 3 13:14:44 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:14:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: Fw: [dba-OT] XP SP2 References: <20040903180225.ZUUF14383.out010.verizon.net@FOSSWARE-FEJ414> Message-ID: <016f01c491e1$e416dff0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Dixon: I don't know. I'll forward and see if we get an answer Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dixon" To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [dba-OT] XP SP2 > Rocky, > I have the exact same issue with Zone Alarm firewall. > Is there any way to get ZA to load earlier or turn off the message?? > > Dixon. > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 10:37:00 you wrote: ======= > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Bartow" > >To: "_DBA-Tech" ; "_DBA-OT" > > > >Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:35 AM > >Subject: [dba-OT] XP SP2 > > > > > >> I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this > >on > >> XPPro yet. > >> > >> This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 > >> Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows > >Security > >> Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be > >> confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. > >> > >> However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is > >up > >> to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at > >> risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes > >> loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. > >> > >> So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. > >> > >> So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which > >is > >> fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but > >> give warnings. > >> > >> Anyone else have issues like this? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-OT mailing list > >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > >. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > > > From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Sep 3 13:33:12 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:33:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 References: Message-ID: <007201c491e4$784008d0$0200a8c0@upstairs> I've never had a problem with McAfee, they're who we use at work, and touch wood, I've never been infected by a virus since I've been using it (4 years or so now). This isn't really a "problem", just an odd "feature", like other programs have :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Oh, OK its a McAfee issue - that explains a lot! Jon, do yourself a favor and try another brand... Norton, Trend, CA eTrust, Grisoft, Panda - they all are above McAfee IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 3 14:06:21 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:06:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <007201c491e4$784008d0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: I assumed this was for your home system. Large business versus home - big difference. It isn't so much the virus catching abilities - its all the oddities and system conflicts. I used McAfee for 10 years and decided to move to others for various reasons. In fact I'm replacing McAfee for a client right now. Jumping in and out of it with my KVM hot keys :o) JMO -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've never had a problem with McAfee, they're who we use at work, and touch wood, I've never been infected by a virus since I've been using it (4 years or so now). This isn't really a "problem", just an odd "feature", like other programs have :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Oh, OK its a McAfee issue - that explains a lot! Jon, do yourself a favor and try another brand... Norton, Trend, CA eTrust, Grisoft, Panda - they all are above McAfee IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 16:03:51 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:03:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] KVMs (was Calculator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well here is the deal... it IS the KVM switch... I suppose some do not carry the signal correctly over or something... ? My Link X cel KVM switch at home is nice between my Knoppix PC and my Windows 2k pc. No problems.. all mouse options are recognized (scroll wheel etc) Mouse is an optical Trackball. When connecting to RedHat 7 (iirc) I would loose the scroll wheel whenever I would switch away. I switched to mandrake, and it was fine, Knoppix, fine... Window 2k and Win2k and it's fine, WinXP, WinME and even a Win98 box and all KVM switch correctly w/ my switch.. Redhat didn't like getting KVM switched out, however Fedora 1 was fine w/ it as is Knoppix and Mandrake (haven't tried suse yet). now at work.... 2 Windows 2k Pro boxes would loose the scroll wheel function when the Belkin KVM switch would switch between the 2 pc's... i got a test win2k server / sql server / reporting services box for development and upgraded to a linksys 4port kvm switch... nothing else changed and now the I don't loose the scroll wheel. :D that's why I was asking about your brand, cuz I guess it varies by the brand... I want to upgrade to a 4 port kvm switch at home and what you mention sounds cool (the iogear ultra) On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:48:14 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > I actually have two - my PS2 model is use an Edimax Genie 4 port and my new > USB model is a IOGear Extreme 4 port. USB peripherals and sound systems can > be shared with that one too. > > I've used other PS2 brands in the past at various jobs and they all seemed > to work as advertised. I've used them with pin converters on the PCs and > various OSs but never Suse. > > I don't know why it wouldn't work because the KVM sends the appropriate > signals to all powered on machines irregardless if you're actually using > that machine or not so that the OS thinks the equipment is there. I suppose > it could be an issue though. Every now and then when I hot key over to a PC > (via the PS2 model) the mouse doesn't work. I just hot key back and forth > again and it works. I've thought that maybe I just didn't hot key quite > right (as I get a bit lazy on how hard I press the keys and sometimes it > doesn't even switch) Maybe my keyboard is just getting worn out there! I > probably need to change my hot key sequence to a function key or something. > Right now its Ctrl-Ctrl followed by the number or the KVM port. I could just > change it to F12 and make it easier on my tendons... > -- -Francisco From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 16:07:47 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:07:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <41383B1D.32734.1FD202@localhost> References: <41383B1D.32734.1FD202@localhost> Message-ID: :O, well i'll still give it a shot anyways :D.... On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:36:29 -0400, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 2 Sep 2004 at 23:18, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > I bought a cheapy KVM off of Ebay, It's been great.. I have my main pc > > and a linux box sitting next to me running knoppix. Occasionally I do > > a hard drive install and what not while I don't mind trashing it to > > bits... my sysAdmin at work gave his DVD copy of Suse 9, i want to try > > this version out as I've heard its' one of the better distro's out > > there. > > Franciso, > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Suse and KVMs don't play > well. :( > > I had Suse 9 installed on a second PC connected with a KVM and when I > switched from Suse to my XP box and back I lost all use of the mouse. > :( > > It is a know problem with some Linux Distros. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Sep 3 17:12:31 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 07:42:31 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD2013983@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Nortons has a number of issues with the SP2 secruity centre (due to anti-tampering measures implemented in the software or something) Check out their website - there's a fair bit of info on it. (PS - McAffee's had none of these problems...) _____ From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Sat 4/09/2004 1:05 AM To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From fhtapia at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 00:13:16 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:13:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied In-Reply-To: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates have gone smoothly. if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off list and I can send it on it's way :) On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent problems. > Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From fhtapia at gmail.com Sat Sep 4 00:14:01 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:14:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 200gb drive for $60 bucks Message-ID: Deal! http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4008252 -- -Francisco From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sat Sep 4 12:36:40 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:36:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: <20040903105609.245422227.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: Well, it was an educated guess! Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Calculator Drew, >> you were the first to confirm my 'theory' in fixing the issue. << WHAT??!! I was a GUINEA PIG??!! I am mortified!! Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI 920-969-0504 "Being steadfast in defense of carefully considered convictions is a virtue. Being blankly incapable of distinguishing cherished hopes from disappointing facts, or of reassessing comforting doctrines in face of contrary evidence, is a crippling political vice." - George Will _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 4 12:17:07 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you Raid Message-ID: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical machine as the boot drive? I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I purchased. I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up. I need to create an image of that setup and move that image to the other machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Sep 4 12:06:32 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:06:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c492a1$88291440$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> I just installed a Zonet kvm3004 purchased from Newegg - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-107-602&depa=0 $36.99 minus a $15 mail in rebate. This box seems to be identical to a couple of others (other brands), apparently made by one manufacturer. It works well so far though I just got it installed last night. I don't use Linux however. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Calculator :O, well i'll still give it a shot anyways :D.... On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:36:29 -0400, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 2 Sep 2004 at 23:18, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > I bought a cheapy KVM off of Ebay, It's been great.. I have my main > > pc and a linux box sitting next to me running knoppix. Occasionally > > I do a hard drive install and what not while I don't mind trashing > > it to bits... my sysAdmin at work gave his DVD copy of Suse 9, i > > want to try this version out as I've heard its' one of the better > > distro's out there. > > Franciso, > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Suse and KVMs don't play > well. :( > > I had Suse 9 installed on a second PC connected with a KVM and when I > switched from Suse to my XP box and back I lost all use of the mouse. > :( > > It is a know problem with some Linux Distros. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > Age is a very high price to pay for maturity. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 5 12:23:42 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:23:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Message-ID: <000601c4936d$175e7080$0300a8c0@upstairs> Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 5 12:33:26 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:33:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <000601c4936d$175e7080$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <002401c4936e$76f06c50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Sun Sep 5 12:44:23 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:44:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <002401c4936e$76f06c50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000601c4936d$175e7080$0300a8c0@upstairs> <002401c4936e$76f06c50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: I've often thought that Win98se was a possible virus as well ;o). Other things to try... how much ram is available on the system when you are trying to surf the web, what verison of IE, and if possible, are other things running that slowly I mean if you FTP outside of IE does it still run slow? how bout FireFox (Mozilla browser). I'd also try "TrendMicro's online Housecall a/v scanner" On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:33:26 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting > the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in > startup? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? > > Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. > > It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband > connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman > anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has > the netgear firewall thing on it. > > Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection > speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to > download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is > still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or > not there are any other pc's on the network. > > We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to > find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get > spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no > spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, > the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I > had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which > hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and > made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. > The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and > an online virus scan. > > I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know > the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the > work laptops that use dial up at home. > > I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed > it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I > run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything > with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 5 14:27:49 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:27:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? References: <002401c4936e$76f06c50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <001b01c4937e$6e606530$0300a8c0@upstairs> yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 5 14:29:58 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:29:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? References: <000601c4936d$175e7080$0300a8c0@upstairs><002401c4936e$76f06c50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <002801c4937e$bb066f60$0300a8c0@upstairs> It was fine before 2k came out :-) it's IE6 sp1, with all but this months updates on it. Netscape also has the same problem with speed. I thought of changing the MTU settings, but I can't get to DSL reports to do the analysis... catch 22 :-) It's nice that I can also appreciate the irony of it all at the same time... I can't do the Trend Micro thing for the same reason :-( Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? I've often thought that Win98se was a possible virus as well ;o). Other things to try... how much ram is available on the system when you are trying to surf the web, what verison of IE, and if possible, are other things running that slowly I mean if you FTP outside of IE does it still run slow? how bout FireFox (Mozilla browser). I'd also try "TrendMicro's online Housecall a/v scanner" On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:33:26 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting > the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in > startup? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? > > Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. > > It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband > connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman > anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has > the netgear firewall thing on it. > > Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection > speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to > download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is > still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or > not there are any other pc's on the network. > > We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to > find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get > spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no > spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, > the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I > had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which > hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and > made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. > The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and > an online virus scan. > > I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know > the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the > work laptops that use dial up at home. > > I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed > it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I > run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything > with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 5 15:08:22 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:08:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4937e$6e606530$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <000401c49384$1b81e400$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 5 15:16:24 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:16:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <002801c4937e$bb066f60$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <000901c49385$3b126050$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> BTW, if you find an answer to this please post it here. I have a friend with a similar issue. In their case I suspect it is simply a memory issue since it has "only" 64 mb. DOG slow doing ANYTHING, not just internet. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? It was fine before 2k came out :-) it's IE6 sp1, with all but this months updates on it. Netscape also has the same problem with speed. I thought of changing the MTU settings, but I can't get to DSL reports to do the analysis... catch 22 :-) It's nice that I can also appreciate the irony of it all at the same time... I can't do the Trend Micro thing for the same reason :-( Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? I've often thought that Win98se was a possible virus as well ;o). Other things to try... how much ram is available on the system when you are trying to surf the web, what verison of IE, and if possible, are other things running that slowly I mean if you FTP outside of IE does it still run slow? how bout FireFox (Mozilla browser). I'd also try "TrendMicro's online Housecall a/v scanner" On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:33:26 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC > hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things > loading in startup? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? > > Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. > > It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my > broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly > updated Norman > anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also > has the netgear firewall thing on it. > > Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet > connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 > hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my > pc upstairs is > still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and > whether or > not there are any other pc's on the network. > > We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I > had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed > to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and > there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of > McAfee stinger, > the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. > However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of > McAfee 4.0 which > hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning > tool and > made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. > The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows > update and > an online virus scan. > > I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. > I know > the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on > the work laptops that use dial up at home. > > I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed > it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every > time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do > anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 5 16:14:41 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:14:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? References: <000401c49384$1b81e400$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <001101c4938d$5dc722e0$0300a8c0@upstairs> Hmmn, haven't looked at that, good call... afaik it's just tcp/ip on it, but it's worth checking. Only the one network card, a 10/100 netgear I think. I'm using a netgear Broadband router with inbuilt firewall to stop incoming things, and I use zonealarm to stop potential outgoings as well as incomings. The network cable is 50cm long and plugs straight into the router... nothing to interfere with it, no dogs cats or anything else :-P All pc's are in the 192.168.0.x range, and the internet works fine on all the other ones here (1 desktop and 4 laptops). They're not on all the time though, so it isn't that either. I'll bring another cable hom from work tomorrow to check that, and download some updated network card drivers. Yeah, I thought of that, but I've never managed to make them see each other without disabling zonealarm. I suppose I could always unplug the internet connection from the router to do it. I did turn off zonealarm on the affected pc so I could see it from mine last week, but things wouldn't copy across to it. The file copy would get to about 70-80% and drop off. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Sep 5 16:29:36 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:29:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <001101c4938d$5dc722e0$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: On of the things I used to do, with Dialup connection issues, is replace the WinSock .dll's. I believe they are winsock32.dll and ws_32.dll (the first may just be winsock.dll). Pull those files from the cab files. In Windows 98, you can use sfc (system file checker) to replace these files. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hmmn, haven't looked at that, good call... afaik it's just tcp/ip on it, but it's worth checking. Only the one network card, a 10/100 netgear I think. I'm using a netgear Broadband router with inbuilt firewall to stop incoming things, and I use zonealarm to stop potential outgoings as well as incomings. The network cable is 50cm long and plugs straight into the router... nothing to interfere with it, no dogs cats or anything else :-P All pc's are in the 192.168.0.x range, and the internet works fine on all the other ones here (1 desktop and 4 laptops). They're not on all the time though, so it isn't that either. I'll bring another cable hom from work tomorrow to check that, and download some updated network card drivers. Yeah, I thought of that, but I've never managed to make them see each other without disabling zonealarm. I suppose I could always unplug the internet connection from the router to do it. I did turn off zonealarm on the affected pc so I could see it from mine last week, but things wouldn't copy across to it. The file copy would get to about 70-80% and drop off. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Sep 5 16:41:47 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:41:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: <001101c4938d$5dc722e0$0300a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <000001c49391$2a253900$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Jon, If you are behind a router then you are reasonably safe without Zonealarm. Turn it off, and even unload it. Then go in to the affected PC and UNINSTALL ALL of the network stuff. Reboot and allow Windows to find and reinstall the missing stuff. If you can't copy a file from one PC to another then you have issues not specifically related to the internet, but very likely related to the network itself. Swap ports on the router and make sure the problem doesn't move to another PC. Swap cables. Uninstall / reinstall the network stuff. Also do you have two disks on the same machine? If so copy files from one disk to another just to test the speed completely inside the affected machine. With all the virus checking you've done, it certainly doesn't sound like a virus or anything like that. Perhaps a system corruption, registry corruption, hard disk corruption. Hard to say. Run checkdisk. If all fails... CLEAN Reinstall windows. Windows 98 is not the most robust OS in the world. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hmmn, haven't looked at that, good call... afaik it's just tcp/ip on it, but it's worth checking. Only the one network card, a 10/100 netgear I think. I'm using a netgear Broadband router with inbuilt firewall to stop incoming things, and I use zonealarm to stop potential outgoings as well as incomings. The network cable is 50cm long and plugs straight into the router... nothing to interfere with it, no dogs cats or anything else :-P All pc's are in the 192.168.0.x range, and the internet works fine on all the other ones here (1 desktop and 4 laptops). They're not on all the time though, so it isn't that either. I'll bring another cable hom from work tomorrow to check that, and download some updated network card drivers. Yeah, I thought of that, but I've never managed to make them see each other without disabling zonealarm. I suppose I could always unplug the internet connection from the router to do it. I did turn off zonealarm on the affected pc so I could see it from mine last week, but things wouldn't copy across to it. The file copy would get to about 70-80% and drop off. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Sun Sep 5 16:50:01 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:50:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just re-read your last post. If the internet connection on that machine got slower and slower, over time, it definitely sounds like winsock corruption. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? On of the things I used to do, with Dialup connection issues, is replace the WinSock .dll's. I believe they are winsock32.dll and ws_32.dll (the first may just be winsock.dll). Pull those files from the cab files. In Windows 98, you can use sfc (system file checker) to replace these files. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hmmn, haven't looked at that, good call... afaik it's just tcp/ip on it, but it's worth checking. Only the one network card, a 10/100 netgear I think. I'm using a netgear Broadband router with inbuilt firewall to stop incoming things, and I use zonealarm to stop potential outgoings as well as incomings. The network cable is 50cm long and plugs straight into the router... nothing to interfere with it, no dogs cats or anything else :-P All pc's are in the 192.168.0.x range, and the internet works fine on all the other ones here (1 desktop and 4 laptops). They're not on all the time though, so it isn't that either. I'll bring another cable hom from work tomorrow to check that, and download some updated network card drivers. Yeah, I thought of that, but I've never managed to make them see each other without disabling zonealarm. I suppose I could always unplug the internet connection from the router to do it. I did turn off zonealarm on the affected pc so I could see it from mine last week, but things wouldn't copy across to it. The file copy would get to about 70-80% and drop off. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 5 17:58:54 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:58:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? References: <000001c49391$2a253900$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <001501c4939b$eb193c10$0300a8c0@upstairs> ok, thanks guys, I'll give these a go tomorrow... I'm about to go to bed now :-) Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Jon, If you are behind a router then you are reasonably safe without Zonealarm. Turn it off, and even unload it. Then go in to the affected PC and UNINSTALL ALL of the network stuff. Reboot and allow Windows to find and reinstall the missing stuff. If you can't copy a file from one PC to another then you have issues not specifically related to the internet, but very likely related to the network itself. Swap ports on the router and make sure the problem doesn't move to another PC. Swap cables. Uninstall / reinstall the network stuff. Also do you have two disks on the same machine? If so copy files from one disk to another just to test the speed completely inside the affected machine. With all the virus checking you've done, it certainly doesn't sound like a virus or anything like that. Perhaps a system corruption, registry corruption, hard disk corruption. Hard to say. Run checkdisk. If all fails... CLEAN Reinstall windows. Windows 98 is not the most robust OS in the world. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hmmn, haven't looked at that, good call... afaik it's just tcp/ip on it, but it's worth checking. Only the one network card, a 10/100 netgear I think. I'm using a netgear Broadband router with inbuilt firewall to stop incoming things, and I use zonealarm to stop potential outgoings as well as incomings. The network cable is 50cm long and plugs straight into the router... nothing to interfere with it, no dogs cats or anything else :-P All pc's are in the 192.168.0.x range, and the internet works fine on all the other ones here (1 desktop and 4 laptops). They're not on all the time though, so it isn't that either. I'll bring another cable hom from work tomorrow to check that, and download some updated network card drivers. Yeah, I thought of that, but I've never managed to make them see each other without disabling zonealarm. I suppose I could always unplug the internet connection from the router to do it. I did turn off zonealarm on the affected pc so I could see it from mine last week, but things wouldn't copy across to it. The file copy would get to about 70-80% and drop off. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Interesting. Its starting to sound like a networking issue. What network protocols do you have loaded? How many adapters? Any useless ones (modem when you don't have a modem etc.). Can you transfer files between PCs at full speed or are they very slow as well? Is it connecting to the router at 10mb instead of 100? Are you using a hub instead of a router? If you don't have a router, GET ONE! It will make the elimination of Zonealarm a lot safer (for troubleshooting) and makes sharing the internet a lot easier. If you don't have a router are you using Internet Connection Sharing? If so, GET A ROUTER. They are cheap and well worth the money. Do you have a damaged network cable, perhaps the cat chewed it shorting wires. Try changing the cable, then connecting the machine directly to the cable/dsl modem. Is it any faster? Do an IPConfig on both machines and see if the two machines are being assigned ip addresses in the same group. Normal for a network behind a router is 192.168.0.x where x=1 for the router and something else for each computer. Things like that. BTW, you can share a CD reader on your machine, map it on the other machine and then use that mapped drive to install most software. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? yeah, they're all fine John, I removed a lot of things from the startup list, and from the stuff listed in Hijackthis, it all runs a lot smoother now, except the internet. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Did you check remaining disk space on the system drive? Is the PC hitting the swapfile a lot? Defragged all drives? Looked at things loading in startup? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:24 PM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Win 98 problem, possible virus? Hi all, got a problem with my dad's pc. It's an old Celeron 333 running Win98se. It's plugged into my broadband connection and has been running at full speed with regularly updated Norman anti-virus on it, and the freebie Zonealarm firewall. The router also has the netgear firewall thing on it. Within the last couple of weeks, he noticed that the internet connection speed has got slower and slower, until now, it takes over 2 hours to download a 1 mb file. This is on a 512mb ADSL connection (my pc upstairs is still fine). This happens whether my pc is turned on or off, and whether or not there are any other pc's on the network. We did have a slight problem in that he hasn't got a CD drive, so I had to find the win98 driver for my memory stick, and now I've managed to get spybot and ad-aware on it and updated them, run the checks and there's no spyware on it any more. I've also run the latest version of McAfee stinger, the one hit virus checker and remover. That came up clean too. However, I had to uninstall both Norman anti-virus and the remnants of McAfee 4.0 which hadn't removed themselves completely. I've run a registry cleaning tool and made the pc a lot faster performance wise, and all the programs still work. The internet is still slow though, preventing me running windows update and an online virus scan. I upgraded the version of Zonealarm on the pc, and now it won't load. I know the file isn't corrupt because it's he same version that I've put on the work laptops that use dial up at home. I copied McAfee 8 from the install cd onto my memory stick - I've installed it from there before, and from a network folder at work - but every time I run the installer it locks the pc up and stays hung, I can't do anything with it... any ideas? I'm stuck now... Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 08:39:52 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:39:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles Message-ID: <20040906133949.7E8D2250AC9@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Hope someone can advise. I seem to be getting involved more and more with Windows/Network admin tasks, in which I have very little experience. But when your client asks, you try to do, right? Anyway, don't answer that. The point is I think I'm going to have a few questions which will no doubt be trivial to some of you, so I hope someone can help. Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and WXP workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard practice for setting up a laptop (often physically here, often not, connects to network if here but not otherwise)? Do I create a local profile AND a domain profile on that machine? Is that normal? I think he has to have a domain profile when connected to the network so we can do normal management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another way round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't require the user to remember which to use when? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 08:55:51 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:55:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <20040906135548.668D2250E53@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 6 08:57:55 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:57:55 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B01E@ALCUXB> If it's an NT/2k/XP pc, the hard drives will be shared for admin use by default so you can scan the laptop from another pc by mapping to \\hostname\c$ etc (the dollar sign makes the sharename a "hidden" share so you can't browse to it, you HAVE to know it's there to access it). That's how we do it anyway. Well that and our AV system is McAfee 4.0.3 and you can download the updates and put them on a memory stick, straight onto the laptop. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 06 September 2004 14:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Sep 6 09:50:12 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:50:12 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB87@stekelbes.ithelps.local> 1) A memory stick could be easier.... 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC card to put in the notebook... 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 6 09:54:11 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:54:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <20040906135548.668D2250E53@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c49421$5f06f6a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Andy, In your network, place a small (4 port) router as the connector to the internet. Let's call that BBRouter. You connect its BROADBAND port to the cable/dsl modem connected to the internet. Connect the BROADBAND port of two more routers to ports of BBRouter. Let's call them AVRouter and WorkRouter. The firewalls of AVRouter and WorkRouter will not allow the networks behind AVRouter and WorkRouter to see each other. IOW you now have TWO completely isolated networks, each able to access the internet. Now hook up all your users to WorkRouter and they work away, all able to see each other and the internet. Hook up your laptop to AVRouter and it can see the internet as well but nothing else. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 6 09:57:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:57:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B028@ALCUXB> wow, instant subnets... I like it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 06 September 2004 15:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Andy, In your network, place a small (4 port) router as the connector to the internet. Let's call that BBRouter. You connect its BROADBAND port to the cable/dsl modem connected to the internet. Connect the BROADBAND port of two more routers to ports of BBRouter. Let's call them AVRouter and WorkRouter. The firewalls of AVRouter and WorkRouter will not allow the networks behind AVRouter and WorkRouter to see each other. IOW you now have TWO completely isolated networks, each able to access the internet. Now hook up all your users to WorkRouter and they work away, all able to see each other and the internet. Hook up your laptop to AVRouter and it can see the internet as well but nothing else. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:00:00 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <20040906145957.52D03252506@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks for replying Erwin. Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and asking for feedback. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > card to put in the notebook... > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect the > other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the > internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What > we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them > on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 6 10:31:06 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:31:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B028@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000201c49426$89b81ff0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Yep. If your circumstances require it you can even use port forwarding to allow specific machines on one subnet to see specific machines on the other, a database or file server for example. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates wow, instant subnets... I like it :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 06 September 2004 15:54 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Andy, In your network, place a small (4 port) router as the connector to the internet. Let's call that BBRouter. You connect its BROADBAND port to the cable/dsl modem connected to the internet. Connect the BROADBAND port of two more routers to ports of BBRouter. Let's call them AVRouter and WorkRouter. The firewalls of AVRouter and WorkRouter will not allow the networks behind AVRouter and WorkRouter to see each other. IOW you now have TWO completely isolated networks, each able to access the internet. Now hook up all your users to WorkRouter and they work away, all able to see each other and the internet. Hook up your laptop to AVRouter and it can see the internet as well but nothing else. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 6 10:32:50 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:32:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <20040906145957.52D03252506@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301c49426$c5fe9340$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> >Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? Yep, don't do that. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Thanks for replying Erwin. Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and asking for feedback. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > card to put in the notebook... > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put > them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:37:30 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:37:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B02B@ALCUXB> with a memory stick, you can download stinger or some other downloadable av scanner onto it, insert the memory stick and run it from there - no installing, no network access. jon -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: 06 September 2004 16:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates >Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? Yep, don't do that. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Thanks for replying Erwin. Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and asking for feedback. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > card to put in the notebook... > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put > them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:44:22 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:44:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <20040906154419.613CE253926@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Thanks for the idea John, but I'd never be allowed to reconfigure the network to such an extent. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 15:33 > > Yep. If your circumstances require it you can even use port forwarding to > allow specific machines on one subnet to see specific machines on the other, > a database or file server for example. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:57 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > wow, instant subnets... I like it :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: 06 September 2004 15:54 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Andy, > > In your network, place a small (4 port) router as the connector to the > internet. Let's call that BBRouter. You connect its BROADBAND port to the > cable/dsl modem connected to the internet. > > Connect the BROADBAND port of two more routers to ports of BBRouter. Let's > call them AVRouter and WorkRouter. > > The firewalls of AVRouter and WorkRouter will not allow the networks behind > AVRouter and WorkRouter to see each other. IOW you now have TWO completely > isolated networks, each able to access the internet. > > Now hook up all your users to WorkRouter and they work away, all able to see > each other and the internet. Hook up your laptop to AVRouter and it can see > the internet as well but nothing else. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into > the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs > updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via > the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download > them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the > laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to > the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:49:21 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:49:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <20040906154918.5D08024FA75@smtp.nildram.co.uk> This sounds neat, and a more convenient variety of my CD method. In case I'm asked - is there any other advantage over the CD method than convenience? It is still essentially the same process, right? Download the av's, place on a transportable medium, put medium on laptop, update and scan? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 15:40 > > with a memory stick, you can download stinger or some other downloadable av > scanner onto it, insert the memory stick and run it from there - no > installing, no network access. > > > jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: 06 September 2004 16:33 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > >Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to > the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to > shout? > > Yep, don't do that. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Thanks for replying Erwin. > > Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. > > Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a > strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are > virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? > Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the > network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? > I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and > asking for feedback. > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > > > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > > card to put in the notebook... > > > > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > > the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > > the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > > What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put > > them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:52:12 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:52:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B02C@ALCUXB> yeah, but it saves you wasting a cd every time :-) and thinking about it, Stinger fits on a floppy disk, save you spending $25 on a memory stick! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: 06 September 2004 16:49 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates This sounds neat, and a more convenient variety of my CD method. In case I'm asked - is there any other advantage over the CD method than convenience? It is still essentially the same process, right? Download the av's, place on a transportable medium, put medium on laptop, update and scan? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 15:40 > > with a memory stick, you can download stinger or some other downloadable av > scanner onto it, insert the memory stick and run it from there - no > installing, no network access. > > > jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: 06 September 2004 16:33 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > >Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to > the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to > shout? > > Yep, don't do that. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Thanks for replying Erwin. > > Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. > > Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a > strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are > virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? > Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the > network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? > I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and > asking for feedback. > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > > > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > > card to put in the notebook... > > > > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > > the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > > > > Erwin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > > the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > > What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put > > them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 10:57:15 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:57:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <20040906155712.6A90425700E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Good point. Stinger's not an option though. Corporate policy is Symantec, and the av's run to 4 floppies, which is a pain. So I like the memory stick idea. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 15:54 > > yeah, but it saves you wasting a cd every time :-) > > and thinking about it, Stinger fits on a floppy disk, save you spending $25 > on a memory stick! > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 06 September 2004 16:49 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > This sounds neat, and a more convenient variety of my CD method. In case I'm > asked - is there any other advantage over the CD method than convenience? It > is still essentially the same process, right? Download the av's, place on a > transportable medium, put medium on laptop, update and scan? > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > Date: 06/09/04 15:40 > > > > > with a memory stick, you can download stinger or some other downloadable > av > > scanner onto it, insert the memory stick and run it from there - no > > installing, no network access. > > > > > > jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > > Sent: 06 September 2004 16:33 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > > > > &gt;Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect > to > > the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to > > shout? > > > > Yep, don't do that. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > > > > Thanks for replying Erwin. > > > > Points 1 &amp; 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. > > > > Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a > > strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are > > virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same > principle? > > Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to > the > > network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? > > I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and > > asking for feedback. > > > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > > From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt; > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > &lt;dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com&gt; > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > &gt; > > &gt; 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi > PC > > &gt; card to put in the notebook... > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > > &gt; update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > > &gt; the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; Erwin > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; -----Original Message----- > > &gt; From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > &gt; [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Lacey > > &gt; Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > > &gt; To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > &gt; Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > &gt; > > &gt; Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > &gt; > > &gt; When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > > &gt; into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > > &gt; virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > > &gt; the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > > &gt; What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), > put > > &gt; them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > > &gt; normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; -- > > &gt; Andy Lacey > > &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; ________________________________________________ > > &gt; Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > &gt; > > &gt; _______________________________________________ > > &gt; dba-Tech mailing list > > &gt; dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > &gt; http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > &gt; Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > &gt; _______________________________________________ > > &gt; dba-Tech mailing list > > &gt; dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > &gt; http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > &gt; Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Sep 6 14:14:00 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:14:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles In-Reply-To: <20040906133949.7E8D2250AC9@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm assuming the laptops are NT based (4.0, 2k, xp), because you don't need to setup profiles for 98. In that case, there are two approaches we use at work. My co-worker, who is the network Admin, sets up their network account as a power user on the laptop. Then he creates a seperate 'Local Admin' account on the laptop, so if the user needs to install something, they log off, and log in as the local admin. My approach is just to setup the laptop users with their network account in the local admins group. One login, no fuss. It is a little risky doing that, but if they have good Anti-virus software, they should be protected. It doesn't matter if they are connected to the network or not, the laptops will let them log in with cached credentials (NT based machines will remember so many cached accounts, I think the default is three, so as long as they don't log with three different accounts, it will remember their network account 'forever'). Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 AM To: Dba Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles Hope someone can advise. I seem to be getting involved more and more with Windows/Network admin tasks, in which I have very little experience. But when your client asks, you try to do, right? Anyway, don't answer that. The point is I think I'm going to have a few questions which will no doubt be trivial to some of you, so I hope someone can help. Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and WXP workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard practice for setting up a laptop (often physically here, often not, connects to network if here but not otherwise)? Do I create a local profile AND a domain profile on that machine? Is that normal? I think he has to have a domain profile when connected to the network so we can do normal management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another way round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't require the user to remember which to use when? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Sep 6 14:15:59 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:15:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <20040906135548.668D2250E53@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they get AV updates just as if they were at work. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Sep 6 15:37:39 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:37:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB88@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well thats a theoretical statement. If your all the computers of your company use the same scanner and are updated how could an old virusdefinition scanner (from the outdated) bypass an new virusdefinition on your network? Excatly, not. Furthermore, some virusses are stealth to the scanner. So if you update the old pc your are never gonna be sure it is infected or not because the update is post infection. You will only notice when checking the logs on your server when that computer puts file on it. >From my point of view you are getting into extrimities updating computers like that and further more it does not or not much give you more garanties.... If your server is protect and your workstation you have a double protection when an infected computer gets on the network. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Thanks for replying Erwin. Points 1 & 2 - thanks for the ideas. Will think about those. Point 3 - mmm. I take your point, but my gut instinct is that it'd take a strong nerve. Doesn't everyone, for example, insist that floppy disks are virus scanned before going near the network? Isn't that the same principle? Shouldn't one make every attempt not to let anything infected connect to the network rather than connecting and then allowing the av software to shout? I'm not sure of that, I'm just wanting to tap into others' experiences and asking for feedback. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Date: 06/09/04 14:50 > > > 1) A memory stick could be easier.... > > 2) A wireless network that only connects to the internet and 1 Wifi PC > card to put in the notebook... > > > 3) Why is that a problem at all? If all your computers and servers > update daily (or in my case hourly). If the notebook tries to infect > the other computers or servers the scanners will detect this.... > > > Erwin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back > into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its > virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on > the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? > What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put > them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Sep 6 15:40:54 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:40:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB89@stekelbes.ithelps.local> 1) Stinger from N.A. does only scan some popular virusses not all!!! 2) There is a downside on using a memory stick... It can be written, a CD not. Meaning, in a unfortuanele situation you could propagate the virus by the memory stick.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they get AV updates just as if they were at work. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 15:48:31 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:48:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c49452$def8e860$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> If they go on the net they'll get updated by LiveUpdate, but if they use pirated software, infected floppy disks, ...... -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:16 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? > > If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV > software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan > by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion > is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a > laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they > get AV updates just as if they were at work. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and > comes back into the office we won't let it on the network > until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus > scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so > how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download > them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, > and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Sep 6 15:54:29 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:54:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c49453$b4250d20$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> I'm probably wrong here Drew, but if the only profile on the laptop is their network one then how do they logon when they're away from the network? As I understood it, to connect to the network and have everything operate well, and attract domain security, etc, etc he must logon as a domain user, but logging-on as a domain user will fail when not connected won't it? That's why I thought he'd need a local and a domain profile. From what you're saying you do I suspect I'm wrong (usually am) but I don't see how. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:14 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > I'm assuming the laptops are NT based (4.0, 2k, xp), because > you don't need to setup profiles for 98. > > In that case, there are two approaches we use at work. My > co-worker, who is the network Admin, sets up their network > account as a power user on the laptop. Then he creates a > seperate 'Local Admin' account on the laptop, so if the user > needs to install something, they log off, and log in as the > local admin. My approach is just to setup the laptop users > with their network account in the local admins group. One > login, no fuss. It is a little risky doing that, but if they > have good Anti-virus software, they should be protected. It > doesn't matter if they are connected to the network or not, > the laptops will let them log in with cached credentials (NT > based machines will remember so many cached accounts, I think > the default is three, so as long as they don't log with three > different accounts, it will remember their network account 'forever'). > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 AM > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > Hope someone can advise. > > I seem to be getting involved more and more with > Windows/Network admin tasks, in which I have very little > experience. But when your client asks, you try to do, right? > Anyway, don't answer that. The point is I think I'm going to > have a few questions which will no doubt be trivial to some > of you, so I hope someone can help. > > Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and > WXP workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard > practice for setting up a laptop (often physically here, > often not, connects to network if here but not otherwise)? Do > I create a local profile AND a domain profile on that > machine? Is that normal? I think he has to have a domain > profile when connected to the network so we can do normal > management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another > way round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't > require the user to remember which to use when? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Sep 6 16:42:58 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles In-Reply-To: <000e01c49453$b4250d20$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: NT based clients (NT 4.0, W2k pro, XP Pro) all cache a users credentials, so if a user logs on, with their domain account, and the domain is not available, they will be 'logged' in with their cached credentials. You do not have to be on the domain to log in with your domain account, except, obviously, for their first login for that account (after that, the credentials are cached....) Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles I'm probably wrong here Drew, but if the only profile on the laptop is their network one then how do they logon when they're away from the network? As I understood it, to connect to the network and have everything operate well, and attract domain security, etc, etc he must logon as a domain user, but logging-on as a domain user will fail when not connected won't it? That's why I thought he'd need a local and a domain profile. From what you're saying you do I suspect I'm wrong (usually am) but I don't see how. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:14 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > I'm assuming the laptops are NT based (4.0, 2k, xp), because > you don't need to setup profiles for 98. > > In that case, there are two approaches we use at work. My > co-worker, who is the network Admin, sets up their network > account as a power user on the laptop. Then he creates a > seperate 'Local Admin' account on the laptop, so if the user > needs to install something, they log off, and log in as the > local admin. My approach is just to setup the laptop users > with their network account in the local admins group. One > login, no fuss. It is a little risky doing that, but if they > have good Anti-virus software, they should be protected. It > doesn't matter if they are connected to the network or not, > the laptops will let them log in with cached credentials (NT > based machines will remember so many cached accounts, I think > the default is three, so as long as they don't log with three > different accounts, it will remember their network account 'forever'). > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 AM > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > Hope someone can advise. > > I seem to be getting involved more and more with > Windows/Network admin tasks, in which I have very little > experience. But when your client asks, you try to do, right? > Anyway, don't answer that. The point is I think I'm going to > have a few questions which will no doubt be trivial to some > of you, so I hope someone can help. > > Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and > WXP workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard > practice for setting up a laptop (often physically here, > often not, connects to network if here but not otherwise)? Do > I create a local profile AND a domain profile on that > machine? Is that normal? I think he has to have a domain > profile when connected to the network so we can do normal > management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another > way round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't > require the user to remember which to use when? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Mon Sep 6 16:44:08 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:44:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <000a01c49452$def8e860$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: There is only so much you can do, to protect your users..... Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates If they go on the net they'll get updated by LiveUpdate, but if they use pirated software, infected floppy disks, ...... -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:16 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? > > If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV > software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan > by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion > is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a > laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they > get AV updates just as if they were at work. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and > comes back into the office we won't let it on the network > until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus > scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so > how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download > them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, > and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Sep 6 17:42:40 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:42:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB89@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <005901c49462$d0dbd430$0300a8c0@upstairs> The memory sticks I've seen have a little (physical) switch on them to make them read only, which is useful. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates 1) Stinger from N.A. does only scan some popular virusses not all!!! 2) There is a downside on using a memory stick... It can be written, a CD not. Meaning, in a unfortuanele situation you could propagate the virus by the memory stick.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they get AV updates just as if they were at work. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Sep 7 01:15:24 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:15:24 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB8A@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I believe I seen them those. But again, one could ask himself the question if software can ignore the readonly switch (as used to be the case with Mac Floppy disks). Whe (or I ) am gooing in to extremities.... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Jon Tydda Verzonden: dinsdag 7 september 2004 0:43 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: Re: [dba-Tech] AV Updates The memory sticks I've seen have a little (physical) switch on them to make them read only, which is useful. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates 1) Stinger from N.A. does only scan some popular virusses not all!!! 2) There is a downside on using a memory stick... It can be written, a CD not. Meaning, in a unfortuanele situation you could propagate the virus by the memory stick.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates If they weren't on the internet, how would they get a virus? If they connect to the internet at home, you can get AV software that lets them update from home. We use Office Scan by Trend. It runs on our Intranet. The Office Scan portion is visible on the internet (not just the Intranet), so when a laptop user is at home, and they log onto the internet, they get AV updates just as if they were at work. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and comes back into the office we won't let it on the network until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, and update the laptop from that. Is this the normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Sep 7 01:46:15 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:46:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c494a6$5f9663f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Interesting. I'll try that. Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 22:43 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > NT based clients (NT 4.0, W2k pro, XP Pro) all cache a users > credentials, so if a user logs on, with their domain account, > and the domain is not available, they will be 'logged' in > with their cached credentials. You do not have to be on the > domain to log in with your domain account, except, obviously, > for their first login for that account (after that, the > credentials are cached....) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:54 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > I'm probably wrong here Drew, but if the only profile on the > laptop is their network one then how do they logon when > they're away from the network? As I understood it, to connect > to the network and have everything operate well, and attract > domain security, etc, etc he must logon as a domain user, but > logging-on as a domain user will fail when not connected > won't it? That's why I thought he'd need a local and a domain > profile. From what you're saying you do I suspect I'm wrong > (usually am) but I don't see how. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Drew Wutka > > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:14 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > > > > I'm assuming the laptops are NT based (4.0, 2k, xp), > because you don't > > need to setup profiles for 98. > > > > In that case, there are two approaches we use at work. My > co-worker, > > who is the network Admin, sets up their network account as a power > > user on the laptop. Then he creates a seperate 'Local > Admin' account > > on the laptop, so if the user needs to install something, they log > > off, and log in as the local admin. My approach is just to > setup the > > laptop users with their network account in the local admins group. > > One login, no fuss. It is a little risky doing that, but if they > > have good Anti-virus software, they should be protected. It > > doesn't matter if they are connected to the network or not, > > the laptops will let them log in with cached credentials (NT > > based machines will remember so many cached accounts, I think > > the default is three, so as long as they don't log with three > > different accounts, it will remember their network account > 'forever'). > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 AM > > To: Dba Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > > > > Hope someone can advise. > > > > I seem to be getting involved more and more with > Windows/Network admin > > tasks, in which I have very little experience. But when your client > > asks, you try to do, right? Anyway, don't answer that. The > point is I > > think I'm going to have a few questions which will no doubt > be trivial > > to some of you, so I hope someone can help. > > > > Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and WXP > > workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard > practice for > > setting up a laptop (often physically here, often not, connects to > > network if here but not otherwise)? Do I create a local > profile AND a > > domain profile on that machine? Is that normal? I think he > has to have > > a domain profile when connected to the network so we can do normal > > management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another > > way round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't > > require the user to remember which to use when? > > > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Tue Sep 7 03:00:17 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:30:17 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD201E8F2@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> >From memory, this can be disabled via policy (GPO) though... -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 4:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles Interesting. I'll try that. Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: 06 September 2004 22:43 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > NT based clients (NT 4.0, W2k pro, XP Pro) all cache a users > credentials, so if a user logs on, with their domain account, and the > domain is not available, they will be 'logged' in with their cached > credentials. You do not have to be on the domain to log in with your > domain account, except, obviously, for their first login for that > account (after that, the credentials are cached....) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:54 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > I'm probably wrong here Drew, but if the only profile on the laptop is > their network one then how do they logon when they're away from the > network? As I understood it, to connect to the network and have > everything operate well, and attract domain security, etc, etc he must > logon as a domain user, but logging-on as a domain user will fail when > not connected won't it? That's why I thought he'd need a local and a > domain profile. From what you're saying you do I suspect I'm wrong > (usually am) but I don't see how. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Drew Wutka > > Sent: 06 September 2004 20:14 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > > > > I'm assuming the laptops are NT based (4.0, 2k, xp), > because you don't > > need to setup profiles for 98. > > > > In that case, there are two approaches we use at work. My > co-worker, > > who is the network Admin, sets up their network account as a power > > user on the laptop. Then he creates a seperate 'Local > Admin' account > > on the laptop, so if the user needs to install something, they log > > off, and log in as the local admin. My approach is just to > setup the > > laptop users with their network account in the local admins group. > > One login, no fuss. It is a little risky doing that, but if they > > have good Anti-virus software, they should be protected. It doesn't > > matter if they are connected to the network or not, the laptops will > > let them log in with cached credentials (NT based machines will > > remember so many cached accounts, I think the default is three, so > > as long as they don't log with three different accounts, it will > > remember their network account > 'forever'). > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:40 AM > > To: Dba Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] WXP Connecting Mobiles > > > > > > Hope someone can advise. > > > > I seem to be getting involved more and more with > Windows/Network admin > > tasks, in which I have very little experience. But when your client > > asks, you try to do, right? Anyway, don't answer that. The > point is I > > think I'm going to have a few questions which will no doubt > be trivial > > to some of you, so I hope someone can help. > > > > Here's one. We have an NT4 network, and a mix of W98, W2K and WXP > > workstations. We have a single domain. What is standard > practice for > > setting up a laptop (often physically here, often not, connects to > > network if here but not otherwise)? Do I create a local > profile AND a > > domain profile on that machine? Is that normal? I think he > has to have > > a domain profile when connected to the network so we can do normal > > management-type things (update AV defs), but is there another way > > round this that doesn't require two profiles, and doesn't require > > the user to remember which to use when? > > > > > > -- > > Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Tue Sep 7 04:29:07 2004 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:29:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers References: <20040902082515.1420185769.serbach@new.rr.com> Message-ID: <007401c494bd$28983510$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J> Hello Steve, I like you byline regarding Binary. I first came across it in school at age 11 and loved the concept of it. I still remember going home to my father and telling him about it. He suggested that if I could learn it, I could go ahead and work at computers as that was what they were made of. I have loved it ever since. 256 is my favourite number. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven W. Erbach" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Calculator > Dear Group, > > I'm almost too...................... > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Scientific Marketing > Neenah, WI > 920-969-0504 > > "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't." - Author unknown > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 7 04:38:49 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:38:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers In-Reply-To: <007401c494bd$28983510$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <413E0E49.21274.10F1022B@lexacorp.com.pg> On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:29, Mark L. Breen wrote: > > 256 is my favourite number. > I prefer 1000101 :-) -- Stuart From serbach at new.rr.com Tue Sep 7 09:06:54 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:06:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers In-Reply-To: <413E0E49.21274.10F1022B@lexacorp.com.pg> References: <007401c494bd$28983510$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J> <413E0E49.21274.10F1022B@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <20040907090654.1621197419.serbach@new.rr.com> Stuart, >> I prefer 1000101 :-) << A counter-culture sexual revolutionary, eh? Steve Erbach From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 7 09:12:50 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:12:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309789F1@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7D3@ADGSERVER> As for #2, I just saw on a MS blog where you can make it so that a USB drive cannot be written to (only read) in XP SP2. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates 1) Stinger from N.A. does only scan some popular virusses not all!!! 2) There is a downside on using a memory stick... It can be written, a CD not. Meaning, in a unfortuanele situation you could propagate the virus by the memory stick.... Erwin From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 7 09:14:48 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:14:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309789F1@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7D4@ADGSERVER> Sorry, meant to send the link: http://cyberforge.com/weblog/aniltj/archive/2004/09/06/644.aspx Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates 1) Stinger from N.A. does only scan some popular virusses not all!!! 2) There is a downside on using a memory stick... It can be written, a CD not. Meaning, in a unfortuanele situation you could propagate the virus by the memory stick.... Erwin From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 7 11:25:12 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:25:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 In-Reply-To: <004101c491dc$0dae0ec0$0200a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: I see what you mean now, I'm looking at a McAfee Security Center Window - I believe it only checks for McAfee products though doesn't it? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Sep 7 14:15:50 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:15:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 References: Message-ID: <004201c4950f$16a70870$0300a8c0@upstairs> Yes and no... it tells me that I don't have McAfee Personal Firewall, but reconises that I do have Zonealarm, and corrects my security rating accordingly. . Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I see what you mean now, I'm looking at a McAfee Security Center Window - I believe it only checks for McAfee products though doesn't it? John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 No, not XP security centre, McAfee Security centre - part of the VirusScan and Spamkiller packages. There are virtually no configurable options on it, so I can barely change what I want to be virus scanned, let alone tell it not to show a splash screen... I may end up having to buy the professional version, but at least i'd get two licences with that. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 If its the Security Center Splash Screen - don't you have a check box in the bottom corner to not show it? (could be only on XPHE?) Otherwise, try going into Security Center (Start|Programs|Accessories|System Tools|Security Center). On the lower left side bar there is a link "change the way security center alerts me". click that and uncheck anti-virus. When I did this I didn't get the notification from the system tray but if you look at the security it shows anti-virus red for quite some time before it finally goes green. I think the problem ies in that MS checks too early. It should be the last service started - since it is only a check and not a solution. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I can't, it's on the splash screen when it loads on startup... mad, eh? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 Have you turned off the alert to see if it goes away (or causes some other distraction)? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I have a similar thign with McAfee Security Centre running on 2k. It loads and tells me that the firewall, virusscan and spamkiller aren't running, and second later loads them all. Very confusing for people who just don't get the sheer bloody mindedness of computers sometimes... Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 03 September 2004 16:35 To: _DBA-Tech; _DBA-OT Subject: [dba-Tech] XP SP2 I've noticed one small problem with XP SP2 on XPHE. I have attempted this on XPPro yet. This system has Norton Internet Security on it and after I installed SP2 Norton asked whether or not it should report its status to Windows Security Center. Norton recommended not to which I figured is just going to be confusing to this user so I chose to report the status. However with the Security Center Alert setting set to report if the AV is up to date when it first starts it momentarily warns that the computer is at risk because Norton is not turned on. It then goes away as Norton finishes loading. Bad news for the unknowing user. So I turned of the alert for AV and it doesn't do warn about it anymore. So basically it sounds like the security center is loading first - which is fairly stupid since it, in and off itself is not going to do anything but give warnings. Anyone else have issues like this? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 7 16:25:21 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:25:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems Message-ID: Anyone have experience with these? A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. Right now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. Permissions seem in order. John B. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 7 16:51:36 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:51:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <413EBA08.20577.138FE4EF@lexacorp.com.pg> On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:25, John Bartow wrote: > Anyone have experience with these? > > A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). > > One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. Right > now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. > > Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she > shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. > > Permissions seem in order. > Using a Novell server by any chance?-- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 7 17:11:27 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems In-Reply-To: <413EBA08.20577.138FE4EF@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: No. No server per say. File Storage on a Snap Server device. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:25, John Bartow wrote: > Anyone have experience with these? > > A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). > > One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. Right > now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. > > Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she > shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. > > Permissions seem in order. > Using a Novell server by any chance?-- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 7 17:20:35 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you Raid In-Reply-To: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Windows 2kPro does not do mirroring. I believe this is the case with WXPro also. Windows Server does though. You could probably do this with a RAID board though. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:17 PM To: AccessD; Tech - Database Advisors Inc. Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you Raid Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical machine as the boot drive? I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I purchased. I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up. I need to create an image of that setup and move that image to the other machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Tue Sep 7 19:01:48 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:01:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic Questions about Word In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01bf01c49537$09ab2ed0$6501a8c0@rock> All I ever use Word for is really basic letter and document writing. However, I have begun developing a Requirements template for use in writing up the requirements for new projects. Up until now, I have always just done it by hand, but I want to systematize it. So I've got a template now, with nice headings and so on, and paragraphs detailing what sort of material should go into each section. I would rather not delete these guidelines, but just hide them when it's time to print the document. In addition, in case the client wants a copy of the file, I'd like to be able to Save As and exclude the guideline sections. Can I do either or both? If so, how? TIA, Arthur From KP at sdsonline.net Tue Sep 7 19:43:16 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:43:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic Questions about Word References: <01bf01c49537$09ab2ed0$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <003601c4953c$d492e6b0$6501a8c0@user> Hi Arthur - I would not consider myself to be an expert on Word - but you may want to have a play with the 'hidden' format available under the Format Font menu. That format makes text a) not display and b) not print. I think something along these lines would work... - Highlight each of your guideline areas of text and give them a bookmark name, eg. Guideline1, Guideline2, etc. - Write a macro (just using the Tools menu) to 'Go to' each of your bookmarks and then Format, Font Hidden. You could attach the print preview function so that the doc. was then ready to go. - Maybe have another macro to Ctrl+a and format, font, unhidden. Then put the macros on your toolbar. HTH Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur Fuller To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic Questions about Word All I ever use Word for is really basic letter and document writing. However, I have begun developing a Requirements template for use in writing up the requirements for new projects. Up until now, I have always just done it by hand, but I want to systematize it. So I've got a template now, with nice headings and so on, and paragraphs detailing what sort of material should go into each section. I would rather not delete these guidelines, but just hide them when it's time to print the document. In addition, in case the client wants a copy of the file, I'd like to be able to Save As and exclude the guideline sections. Can I do either or both? If so, how? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Tue Sep 7 20:43:16 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:43:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic Questions about Word In-Reply-To: <003601c4953c$d492e6b0$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <01c501c49545$366d6ec0$6501a8c0@rock> Thanks, Kath. I'll give that a go. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic Questions about Word Hi Arthur - I would not consider myself to be an expert on Word - but you may want to have a play with the 'hidden' format available under the Format Font menu. That format makes text a) not display and b) not print. I think something along these lines would work... - Highlight each of your guideline areas of text and give them a bookmark name, eg. Guideline1, Guideline2, etc. - Write a macro (just using the Tools menu) to 'Go to' each of your bookmarks and then Format, Font Hidden. You could attach the print preview function so that the doc. was then ready to go. - Maybe have another macro to Ctrl+a and format, font, unhidden. Then put the macros on your toolbar. HTH Kath From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Sep 8 02:15:04 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:15:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B01E@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000301c49573$90774610$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Yea Jon, but only after the laptop is on the network. The memory stick works better for me cois I don't want to put the laptop on the net until I know it's clean. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 06 September 2004 14:58 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > If it's an NT/2k/XP pc, the hard drives will be shared for > admin use by default so you can scan the laptop from another > pc by mapping to \\hostname\c$ etc (the dollar sign makes the > sharename a "hidden" share so you can't browse to it, you > HAVE to know it's there to access it). > > That's how we do it anyway. Well that and our AV system is > McAfee 4.0.3 and you can download the updates and put them on > a memory stick, straight onto the laptop. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] > Sent: 06 September 2004 14:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] AV Updates > > > Another admin question along the 'is this normal' line. > > When a laptop has been out and about for a few weeks, and > comes back into the office we won't let it on the network > until it has had its virus defs updated and had a full virus > scan. But it can only get on the internet via the netowrk, so > how to get it up-to-date virus defs? What we do is download > them (Symantec, using Intelligent Updater), put them on a CD, > and update the laptop from that. Is this the > normal/only/best/c**p way to do this? > > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The > information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be > legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient > only and are subject to the legal notice available on request > from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a > trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: > Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/d> ba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 09:38:37 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:38:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems In-Reply-To: References: <413EBA08.20577.138FE4EF@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Do they all have the latest Patches for IE? On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > No. No server per say. File Storage on a Snap Server device. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems > > On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:25, John Bartow wrote: > > > Anyone have experience with these? > > > > A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). > > > > One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. > Right > > now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. > > > > Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she > > shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. > > > > Permissions seem in order. > > > > Using a Novell server by any chance?-- > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 8 10:03:09 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:03:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:39 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems Do they all have the latest Patches for IE? On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > No. No server per say. File Storage on a Snap Server device. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems > > On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:25, John Bartow wrote: > > > Anyone have experience with these? > > > > A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). > > > > One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. > Right > > now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. > > > > Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she > > shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. > > > > Permissions seem in order. > > > > Using a Novell server by any chance?-- > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 10:50:01 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if you log on as a diffrent user on the other pc's does the problem persists? On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:03:09 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Yes. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:39 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems > > Do they all have the latest Patches for IE? > > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:11:27 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > > No. No server per say. File Storage on a Snap Server device. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:52 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express problems > > > > On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:25, John Bartow wrote: > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? > > > > > > A client uses Outlook Express (their choice). > > > > > > One staff cannot attach a file from the network drive. It just hangs. > > Right > > > now she has to copy the file to her PC's hard drive and then attach it. > > > > > > Another cannot delete a message properly. It stays in the list until she > > > shuts it down and re-opens it. Then the message is gone. > > > > > > Permissions seem in order. > > > > > > > Using a Novell server by any chance?-- > > Stuart > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 8 14:51:31 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:51:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hotmail and Outlook 2k Message-ID: I've just made the switch from Outlook Express to Outlook 2k, so I can better manage my personal folders and stuff, and I'm finding that I can't get Outlook to talk to my Hotmail account... are there any secret options that I don't know about? I don't have to raise a chicken from the dead or sit in a chalk circle do I? Jon From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 8 14:58:30 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:58:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Hotmail and Outlook 2k In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ah, found it... http://www.slipstick.com/config/ol2000hotmail.htm Follow these steps to configure the Hotmail account in Outlook Express, then export it to Outlook 2000: In Outlook Express, choose Tools | Accounts, and add a new mail account to access your Hotmail account. If you do not already have a free Hotmail account, you can use Tools | New Account Signup | Hotmail. In the Accounts dialog box, select the Hotmail account, and then click Export to save the account settings as an .iaf file. In Outlook 2000, choose Tools | Accounts and click Import to import the account settings file you exported in Step 2. This places a Hotmail - Inbox icon on the Outlook Bar. In the folder list, you will see a separate hierarchy for Hotmail, with the Bulk Mail, Deleted Items, Inbox and Sent Items folders, plus any additional folders that you created in your Hotmail mailbox. You cannot send via your Hotmail account using Outlook 2000. You must use one of your regular POP or IMAP accounts. You could, of course, set the reply address for a POP account to use your Hotmail e-mail address. You won't get any notification when new items are available in your Hotmail account. Plan to use Tools | Download occasionally to get new items. Or just click on the regular Outlook Inbox, then back on the Hotmail Inbox to update the view with new items. If you right-click on one of the Hotmail folders, Outlook will crash. Don't expect this to be fixed, since Hotmail is officially unsupported in Outlook 2000. Just don't do it! Exporting from a Hotmail folder to a PST file sometimes generates errors. If you want to archive Hotmail messages, you may have better luck dragging them to a folder in a PST file. Outlook automatically adds the Download State column to the view for Hotmail folders so you can tell which items are available when you are working offline. Items marked with the full document sheet are stored offline. Items marked with the half sheet are stored as headers only. If you are working online, simply selecting a message will download it automatically. You can also use the commands on the Tools | Download menu to get headers, all items or selected items. The Hotmail account offline data is stored in a Personal Folders .pst file named Hotmail-###.pst, where ### represents a number automatically assigned by Outlook. The file should be in the usual location for your operating system. If you remove the Hotmail account, Outlook automatically deletes the PST file. If you convert Outlook from Internet Mail Only to Corporate/Workgroup mode, Outlook does not migrate the Hotmail account settings, but it does leave the Hotmail-###.pst file intact. You can open it with the File | Open | Outlook Data File command. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:jon at tydda.plus.com] Sent: 08 September 2004 20:52 To: dba-tech Subject: Hotmail and Outlook 2k I've just made the switch from Outlook Express to Outlook 2k, so I can better manage my personal folders and stuff, and I'm finding that I can't get Outlook to talk to my Hotmail account... are there any secret options that I don't know about? I don't have to raise a chicken from the dead or sit in a chalk circle do I? Jon From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 13:07:33 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:07:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) Message-ID: Is there really a big diffrence between typical RCA jack cables vs Monster Cables for component Video? I have this television http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=80081 along with a Sony DVD player that outputs in Component Video (Don't know the model OTOMH). so what's the deal? -- -Francisco From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Sep 9 06:19:36 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:19:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30986F06@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7EB@ADGSERVER> I think that compared to the basic, cheap, thin RCA cables that the better cables do make a difference. When I bought my HDTV and DVD player, I bought a set of cables that cost somewhere around $40-$45. They weren't the most expensive, nor were they the cheapest. I have been happy with them. Although I have not compared them with the cheaper cables. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) Is there really a big diffrence between typical RCA jack cables vs Monster Cables for component Video? I have this television http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=80081 along with a Sony DVD player that outputs in Component Video (Don't know the model OTOMH). so what's the deal? -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 9 06:33:34 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:33:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7EB@ADGSERVER> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30986F06@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <4140CC2E.2316.9702A1@lexacorp.com.pg> > > > Is there really a big diffrence between typical RCA jack cables vs Monster > Cables for component Video? > > I have this television > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=80081 along with a Sony > DVD player that outputs in Component Video (Don't know the model OTOMH). > > so what's the deal? > See http://www.prillaman.net/ht_info_7-cables.html for a discussion of AV cables. Also http://www.firingsquad.com/print_article.asp?current_section=Guides&fs_artic le_id=1114 (watch for word wrap) which is Playstation etc oriented but gives some good info-- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Thu Sep 9 08:05:06 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:05:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00cd01c4966d$a11d4c30$6501a8c0@rock> Once again I reveal the extent of my hardware expertise. I have one digital cable receiver and three TVs connected to the cable. Only the TV directly connected to the digital box gets channels above 200. What do I need to change in order that the two TVs in the bedroom can see these channels as well? TIA, Arthur the hardware expert From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Sep 9 08:12:45 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:12:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Message-ID: Arthur, Where do you have your splitter, between the wall and the cable box or the cable box out line and the TVs? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Once again I reveal the extent of my hardware expertise. I have one digital cable receiver and three TVs connected to the cable. Only the TV directly connected to the digital box gets channels above 200. What do I need to change in order that the two TVs in the bedroom can see these channels as well? TIA, Arthur the hardware expert _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Sep 9 08:27:00 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 9:27:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Message-ID: <20040909132700.LABR954.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> > From: "Arthur Fuller" > Once again I reveal the extent of my hardware expertise. I have one > digital cable receiver and three TVs connected to the cable. Only the TV > directly connected to the digital box gets channels above 200. What do I > need to change in order that the two TVs in the bedroom can see these > channels as well? It depends. If you want all 3 tvs to always be on the same channel then you just need to split the output of your digital box. If you want all 3 tvs to be able to choose their own channel then you will need to get 2 more digital boxes from Rogers. One for each TV. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Unfortunately common sense isn't so common! From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 9 08:26:17 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:26:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Message-ID: If this is a normal cable installation, than what you have is an addressable cable box that decodes the digital signals. If you run a splitter off the output of the cable box then you will have 4 TVs tuned to the same station. If you have the splitter before the cable box input then you have 1 TV able to receive the decoded channels. Unless I don't have all the information...I'm thinking that if you want to watch 4 different digital channels on each of your TVs, then you need 3 more digital cable boxes. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Arthur, Where do you have your splitter, between the wall and the cable box or the cable box out line and the TVs? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Stoopid TV questions Once again I reveal the extent of my hardware expertise. I have one digital cable receiver and three TVs connected to the cable. Only the TV directly connected to the digital box gets channels above 200. What do I need to change in order that the two TVs in the bedroom can see these channels as well? TIA, Arthur the hardware expert _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From JRojas at tnco-inc.com Thu Sep 9 10:41:01 2004 From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:41:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E88@mercury.tnco-inc.com> Francisco, The answer is YES. You can only achieve HD with component or DVI. RCA cannot deliver the HD signal. Now, this plays a very important role if you are going to use HD Cable TV or HD satellite. When it comes to DVD players, if the DVD player has progressive scan then I would go with Monster component. If not then RCA will work. The downside of hooking DVD players via component to a HD TV is that it relieves the fact that DVD compression is actually very low quality. The compression artifacts that would be hidden on a regular TV stick out like a sore thumb. I find myself looking for SuperBIT DVDs, which are produced with a much better compression ratio. Also, Monster component cables come in 4 flavors, I think. Video1, Video2, Video3, and Ultra...with the quality of the cables increasing between each. I typically go with the Video3 and would recommend not going lower than Video2. I would also recommend going to DVI if you HD Cable box supports it ever though the DVI cable is very expensive. That's my two cents. JR -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) Is there really a big diffrence between typical RCA jack cables vs Monster Cables for component Video? I have this television http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=80081 along with a Sony DVD player that outputs in Component Video (Don't know the model OTOMH). so what's the deal? -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This electronic transmission is strictly confidential to TNCO, Inc. and intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privileges. 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From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 13:02:55 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:02:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE Message-ID: Read up on this today, applied the changes and I noticed a significant speed increase that I decided to pass the useful info along :D http://www.nettalk.us/about4703-0.html -- -Francisco From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Thu Sep 9 13:15:28 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:15:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hotmail and Outlook 2k References: Message-ID: <41409DC0.1020202@shaw.ca> http://www.slipstick.com/config/ol2000hotmail.htm You may still have to find an active volcano and sacrificial virgins tho. It does work for 2002 onwards Jon Tydda wrote: >I've just made the switch from Outlook Express to Outlook 2k, so I can >better manage my personal folders and stuff, and I'm finding that I can't >get Outlook to talk to my Hotmail account... are there any secret options >that I don't know about? > >I don't have to raise a chicken from the dead or sit in a chalk circle do I? > > >Jon > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 15:55:15 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:55:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E88@mercury.tnco-inc.com> References: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E88@mercury.tnco-inc.com> Message-ID: Thanks for providing all the wealth of information. Right now I use a 3 pair of RCA jacks as my component video cables... , it looks fine, but was wondering if moving up to quality cables would make any kind of a diffrence.. the DVD player is a Sony progressive DVD player so I know it has the proper output for HD (well as much as can be expected). On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:41:01 -0400, Joe Rojas wrote: > Francisco, > > The answer is YES. > > You can only achieve HD with component or DVI. RCA cannot deliver the HD > signal. > > Now, this plays a very important role if you are going to use HD Cable TV or > HD satellite. > When it comes to DVD players, if the DVD player has progressive scan then I > would go with Monster component. If not then RCA will work. > The downside of hooking DVD players via component to a HD TV is that it > relieves the fact that DVD compression is actually very low quality. The > compression artifacts that would be hidden on a regular TV stick out like a > sore thumb. I find myself looking for SuperBIT DVDs, which are produced with > a much better compression ratio. > > Also, Monster component cables come in 4 flavors, I think. Video1, Video2, > Video3, and Ultra...with the quality of the cables increasing between each. > I typically go with the Video3 and would recommend not going lower than > Video2. I would also recommend going to DVI if you HD Cable box supports it > ever though the DVI cable is very expensive. > > That's my two cents. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:08 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Monster Cable (Component Cable) > > Is there really a big diffrence between typical RCA jack cables vs > Monster Cables for component Video? > > I have this television > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=80081 along with a > Sony DVD player that outputs in Component Video (Don't know the model > OTOMH). > > so what's the deal? > > -- > -Francisco > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > This electronic transmission is strictly confidential to TNCO, Inc. and > intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is > covered by legal, professional, or other privileges. If you are not the > intended addressee, or someone authorized by the intended addressee to > receive transmissions on behalf of the addressee, you must not retain, > disclose in any form, copy, or take any action in reliance on this > transmission. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender as soon as possible and destroy this message. While TNCO, Inc. > uses virus protection, the recipient should check this email and any > attachments for the presence of viruses. TNCO, Inc. accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Sep 10 08:16:29 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:16:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE In-Reply-To: <206263.1094755099974.JavaMail.root@sniper2.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <001001c49738$62932630$de1811d8@danwaters> Thanks Francisco, Firefox is at least twice as fast now! Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:03 PM To: The Hardware List; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE Read up on this today, applied the changes and I noticed a significant speed increase that I decided to pass the useful info along :D http://www.nettalk.us/about4703-0.html -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Fri Sep 10 09:59:03 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:59:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE References: Message-ID: <012e01c49746$b6ab48c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Worked a treat. When you say 'even more' that implies that I missed round one of the speed up secrets. Any link for that? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE > Read up on this today, applied the changes and I noticed a significant > speed increase that I decided to pass the useful info along :D > http://www.nettalk.us/about4703-0.html > > > -- > -Francisco > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 10:31:40 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:31:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Invite (tech) x1 Message-ID: Please reply off list :) -- -Francisco From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 16:55:45 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:55:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE In-Reply-To: <012e01c49746$b6ab48c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <012e01c49746$b6ab48c0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: when you visit the Firefox Help page they have a FAQ that helps users w/ broadband access speed up their browsing enjoyment. the speed affects mostly the browsing... but these tweaks help that and to me the application seems snappier. On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:59:03 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > Worked a treat. When you say 'even more' that implies that I missed round > one of the speed up secrets. Any link for that? > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francisco Tapia" > To: "The Hardware List" ; "Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:02 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] How to speed up FireFox even MORE > > > Read up on this today, applied the changes and I noticed a significant > > speed increase that I decided to pass the useful info along :D > > http://www.nettalk.us/about4703-0.html > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 14 04:24:08 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:24:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT ;-) Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0B0@ALCUXB> >From Jeff Dray at Techrepublic During my years working in IT support, I have become more and more interested in the many types of people who call IT help desks. Like a biologist, I have found that having a classification system is critical in understanding the users that I help on a daily basis. It is with this in mind, and with my tongue in my cheek, that I have categorized users into the following species: 1. "The Expert": Userus expertia "The Expert" user is the curse of most IT support establishments. Experts try out something they heard about from "the bloke in the pub," an unqualified expert on everything who offers advice to anyone who will listen. Experts usually make a complete mess of their systems when they follow the bloke's advice. Then they compound the problem by trying to fix it themselves, often destroying their machines. As a last resort, they call the help desk and demand that their machines be replaced or mended immediately, as they have urgent work that can't wait. There has been an Expert at every place I have worked. I leave it to you to decide who your resident Expert is. 2. "The Fiddler": Userus manipulata The motto of "The Fiddler" is: "I wonder what happens if.." I've placed these callers next because they are the most closely related to the Expert. These callers don't realize that some files actually make their computers work. If they don't recognize a file as one of their own, they delete it and are surprised when something then stops working. Unlike the Expert, they don't say anything about the problem; you only discover it months later from a casual remark, such as, "Oh no, that hasn't worked for ages. I meant to call you." Fiddlers are usually very pleasant people-who will drive you mad. 3. "The Mouse": Userus rodentia "The Mouse" is more common than the previous two and fortunately less harmful. For this species of caller, the big gray box is a source of blind terror. I can remember talking on the phone to a Mouse at a UK communications company. She had worked in a telephone exchange for years and was suddenly given a PC to help her. She had not asked for it and didn't want it. The screen was making strange noises, and she was concerned. "I don't want it to explode or anything," she wailed. "No," I said patronizingly, "they don't explode. There's no explosive in them." Then I heard a loud "BANG!" through the phone. "What was that?" I asked. "My screen has just exploded," she replied. 4. "The Train Spotter": Userus geekissimus "The Train Spotter" is most often the offspring of an Expert and a Fiddler. These callers are usually harmless and don't have many computer problems. What they do have is an IT magazine, which they have read from cover to cover. The Train Spotter will invariably corner an unsuspecting help desk tech and proceed to bore the tech rigid by sharing their knowledge. The main difference between Train Spotters and other callers is that Train Spotters do not usually phone the help desk; they visit in person. I'm not quite sure what they want from the help desk, but they take up a lot of time asking various questions about new innovations, about which I usually know nothing. I have found no explanation for the existence of this user other than that the Expert and Fiddler conceived the Train Spotter on a trip to a computer trade fair. 5. "The Paranoid User": Userus newbigata "Paranoid Users" are convinced that the computer has an intelligence of its own and is out to get them. The machine is constantly doing something that causes a problem. The computer will maliciously alter their documents, obliterate all references to their passwords, and lose work they have saved. If a machine is ever going to break down, it will be while being used by a Paranoid. This species' one saving grace is determination. They never give up, as much as you wish they would. 6. "The I'm-building-a-case User": Userus fabricatum "The I'm-building-a-case User" is grinding an axe to get some new gadget brought in to his department or have an old one taken away. They report hundreds of trivial problems, hoping upper management will buy them the latest all-singing and all-dancing machine. The real problem with this species of caller is the fact that they are usually not trying to replace computer equipment. This user doesn't see the difference between computers and any other piece of office equipment. I have often been required to pass opinions on all kinds of electrical equipment even after pointing out my lack of knowledge on the subject. I do not evaluate coffee makers. I do not drink coffee, and I know nothing about the black arts involved in its production. 7. "The Just-testing User": Userus gustulata "The Just-testing User" is not even using a computer but wants to test your knowledge and, if possible, trip you up. The best technique for dealing with this species is by answering questions with "I don't know." They cannot deal with this straight capitulation. Most Just-testing users would love the chance to show your boss how useless you are or how little you know. They are thrilled when you give a wrong answer and will crow about it incessantly. 8. "Pig Pen": Userus perfumia Based on the Charles M. Schulz Peanuts character, "Pig Pen" has the messiest, most unhygienic work area in the company. Pig Pen's personal hygiene is fine; it is only the workspace that is a hazard. It is a graveyard for old coffee cups, half-eaten green sandwiches, used Kleenex, and moldy sock collections. Pig Pens are some of the nicest and most technically able people you know. They usually give the help desk very little trouble except when their keyboard needs replacing, which is often. Pig Pen is a mainstay of most companies, the backbone of whatever department he or she works for. If that were not the case, the company would have let them go years ago. 9. "The I-don't-want-to-hear-that! User": Userus headinsandia This is a rather curious species. They call, ask a question, and if they don't hear what they want, they take it personally. I always wonder why they ask, if they don't want to know the answer. It does not seem to matter that what they want is not possible. All they want is to hear the answer they're looking for. 10. "The End-of-my-tether User": Userus adlimitus This is the angriest but, perversely, often the easiest to deal with. After spending weeks attempting to resolve their own queries, they finally swallow their pride and call the help desk. Calls from this type of user usually end in one of three ways: The problem's solution can be found simply by reading page 1 of his instruction manual, which, of course, the caller has not done. The caller is informed that the operation she is trying to perform cannot be performed with the equipment or software that she has. The caller has already found a solution but phoned the help desk to let you know how frustrated, mad, or unsatisfied he is. Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 14 07:29:18 2004 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:29:18 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT ;-) In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0B0@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0B0@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <8919945550.20040914142918@cactus.dk> Thanks Jon, very precise! /gustav > Date: 2004-09-14 11:24 >>From Jeff Dray at Techrepublic > During my years working in IT support, I have become more and more > interested in the many types of people who call IT help desks. Like a > biologist, I have found that having a classification system is critical in > understanding the users that I help on a daily basis. It is with this in > mind, and with my tongue in my cheek, that I have categorized users into the > following species: From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com Tue Sep 14 08:47:46 2004 From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:47:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Battery Conditioning Utility? Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326BC@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> Anyone know of a good, reliable battery conditioning utility for an HP Omnibook 6000 laptop? The only one I have been able to find so far is for the XE series. TIA Jeff B From artful at rogers.com Tue Sep 14 15:48:40 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:48:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> JC: What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you actually tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from one disk to the other? Not that I'm maligning anyone's products, I just want to know how fast they claim to be and how close they come to their alleged mileage. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 14 16:47:33 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:47:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <007401c49aa4$751bb280$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I bought Maxtor disks. I have not done extensive testing from one to another. I guess I might go down to my office and do so. I am on my laptop ATM monitoring my son as he plays in the bath tub, so I can't answer any of that right now. I'll go downstairs later this evening and get the disk model numbers, then do a large file copy timing the time it takes to run. Believe me I have PLENTY of large files now. Should be interesting. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought JC: What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you actually tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from one disk to the other? Not that I'm maligning anyone's products, I just want to know how fast they claim to be and how close they come to their alleged mileage. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 17:49:55 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:49:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> References: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805> <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: You can use this utility to benchmark each hdd too :) http://www.hdtune.com/ On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:48:40 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > JC: > > What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you actually > tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from one disk > to the other? Not that I'm maligning anyone's products, I just want to > know how fast they claim to be and how close they come to their alleged > mileage. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco Get Firefox! From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 14 20:00:29 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:00:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007601c49abf$65eeb3f0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Thanks, I needed that. Results on the way. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought You can use this utility to benchmark each hdd too :) http://www.hdtune.com/ On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:48:40 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > JC: > > What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you > actually tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from > one disk to the other? Not that I'm maligning anyone's products, I > just want to know how fast they claim to be and how close they come to > their alleged mileage. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 14 22:19:49 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:19:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <000001c49ad2$e06bb020$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> >What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you actually tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from one disk to the other? Results below: '************************************************** '**Benchmarked on: '** '**MSI K8N Neo with 3ghz Athlon64 '**2.5g Ram '**Built-in 4 channel SATA '**2 IDE channels '**GBit LAN '** '************************************************** HD Tune: SAMSUNG SP0802N Benchmark Transfer Rate Minimum : 30.7 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 56.2 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 46.4 MB/sec Access Time : 13.6 ms Burst Rate : 76.2 MB/sec CPU Usage : 4.4% '************************************************** HD Tune: Maxtor 6Y250P0 Benchmark Transfer Rate Minimum : 30.5 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 57.7 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 47.6 MB/sec Access Time : 13.9 ms Burst Rate : 101.3 MB/sec CPU Usage : 4.7% '************************************************** HD Tune: WDC WD2500JD-50GBB0 Benchmark - SATA 250g File Copy to another WDC drive: 6.365 gbytes in 115 seconds = 55.35 mbytes / sec File copy to Maxtor 6Y250P0: 6.365 gbytes in 132 seconds = 48.22 mbytes / sec File copy to Samsung SP0802N : 6.365 gbytes in 115 seconds = 55.35 mbytes / sec Transfer Rate Minimum : 31.6 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 55.0 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 47.0 MB/sec Access Time : 13.6 ms Burst Rate : 60.6 MB/sec CPU Usage : 4.2% '************************************************** '**Benchmarked on: '** '**MSI K8N Neo with 3ghz Athlon64 '**2.5g Ram '**Built-in 4 channel SATA '**2 IDE channels '**GBit LAN '** '************************************************** HD Tune: NVIDIA MIRROR 114.49G Benchmark Pair of 120gbyte Transfer Rate Minimum : 2.0 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 50.3 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 38.3 MB/sec Access Time : 14.4 ms Burst Rate : 101.3 MB/sec CPU Usage : 2.9% '************************************************** HD Tune: NVIDIA STRIPE 379.84G Benchmark This is a pair of 200g disks running striped Raid0 Transfer Rate Minimum : 76.4 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 96.1 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 87.1 MB/sec Access Time : 13.8 ms Burst Rate : 100.9 MB/sec CPU Usage : 9.7% '************************************************** HD Tune: ST3120026A Benchmark This is a Seagate packaged 120 gbyte external HD on USB 2.0. Transfer Rate Minimum : 17.5 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 21.6 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 21.1 MB/sec Access Time : 15.0 ms Burst Rate : 22.7 MB/sec CPU Usage : 9.8% '************************************************** HD Tune: Maxtor 6Y250P0 Benchmark This is a CompUSA "generic" external hard disk enclosure running on USB 2.0 Transfer Rate Minimum : 19.8 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 20.8 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 20.8 MB/sec Access Time : 14.6 ms Burst Rate : 20.8 MB/sec CPU Usage : 9.6% '************************************************** '**Benchmarked on: '** '**Soltek SL-75MRN with 2.5g AMD Athlon '**750 mb Ram '**2 IDE channels '**100 mbit LAN '** '************************************************** HD Tune: SAMSUNG SP1604N Benchmark Transfer Rate Minimum : 28.3 MB/sec Transfer Rate Maximum : 61.4 MB/sec Transfer Rate Average : 46.7 MB/sec Access Time : 13.8 ms Burst Rate : 76.4 MB/sec CPU Usage : 7.0% '************************************************** John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:49 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought JC: What is the transfer rate on the disks you bought? And have you actually tested the alleged rate by copying a suitably large file from one disk to the other? Not that I'm maligning anyone's products, I just want to know how fast they claim to be and how close they come to their alleged mileage. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 22:41:42 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:41:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox Shameless plug... Message-ID: Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is awesome... if you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably take to what they are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet. -- -Francisco From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 14 23:43:01 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:43:01 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <000001c49ad2$e06bb020$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <028e01c49a9c$37b15240$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <414854F5.1529.FF8FA5@lexacorp.com.pg> On 14 Sep 2004 at 23:19, John W. Colby wrote: > HD Tune: NVIDIA STRIPE 379.84G Benchmark > This is a pair of 200g disks running striped Raid0 > > Transfer Rate Minimum : 76.4 MB/sec > Transfer Rate Maximum : 96.1 MB/sec > Transfer Rate Average : 87.1 MB/sec > Access Time : 13.8 ms > Burst Rate : 100.9 MB/sec > CPU Usage : 9.7% > That one certainly shows the benefit of striping for disk intensive tasks! -- Stuart From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 14 23:51:08 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:51:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought In-Reply-To: <414854F5.1529.FF8FA5@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000001c49adf$9ddb5c80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Yep, it does indeed. Notice it does use significant cpu time though. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] JC: The Disks you bought On 14 Sep 2004 at 23:19, John W. Colby wrote: > HD Tune: NVIDIA STRIPE 379.84G Benchmark > This is a pair of 200g disks running striped Raid0 > > Transfer Rate Minimum : 76.4 MB/sec > Transfer Rate Maximum : 96.1 MB/sec > Transfer Rate Average : 87.1 MB/sec > Access Time : 13.8 ms > Burst Rate : 100.9 MB/sec > CPU Usage : 9.7% > That one certainly shows the benefit of striping for disk intensive tasks! -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 15 06:59:51 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:59:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Message-ID: Group, I am part of the controversial few who believe I should only have to pay for something once whenever possible. So, having 2 small children, and knowing how much they care for their belongings, I make backups of my children's DVDs. Prior to my last clean install, my hardware was capable of making an .iso of a ~9Gb DVD in about 20 minutes. That same process now takes twice as long. Now my first thought was...oops I hooked up both drives to the same IDE port. Honestly, I have not 'physically' checked that possibility (I will tonight), but according to the system info, they are on separate channels. I've also verified that DMA is enabled. Is there any other setting I may have overlooked? Mark From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 15 08:03:11 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:03:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0D0@ALCUXB> Have you put another slower drive on the same channel as either of the two drives? The channel only goes as fast as the slowest thing on it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: 15 September 2004 13:00 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Group, I am part of the controversial few who believe I should only have to pay for something once whenever possible. So, having 2 small children, and knowing how much they care for their belongings, I make backups of my children's DVDs. Prior to my last clean install, my hardware was capable of making an .iso of a ~9Gb DVD in about 20 minutes. That same process now takes twice as long. Now my first thought was...oops I hooked up both drives to the same IDE port. Honestly, I have not 'physically' checked that possibility (I will tonight), but according to the system info, they are on separate channels. I've also verified that DMA is enabled. Is there any other setting I may have overlooked? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Sep 15 08:25:22 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:25:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30995639@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB82C@ADGSERVER> Jon, I'm not sure if this is still true. I can't remember why at the moment, but IIRC, putting an optical drive on the same channel as an HD no longer slows the HD drive down. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Have you put another slower drive on the same channel as either of the two drives? The channel only goes as fast as the slowest thing on it. Jon From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 15 08:23:48 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:23:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0D7@ALCUXB> Oh right, I hadn't heard that... Mark, how old is your hardware (motherboard, HDD and DVD-R specifically)? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 15 September 2004 14:25 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Jon, I'm not sure if this is still true. I can't remember why at the moment, but IIRC, putting an optical drive on the same channel as an HD no longer slows the HD drive down. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Have you put another slower drive on the same channel as either of the two drives? The channel only goes as fast as the slowest thing on it. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie Wed Sep 15 08:45:35 2004 From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:45:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers References: <413E0E49.21274.10F1022B@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <007f01c49b2a$59f11500$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J> I am fairly fond of that one also, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers > On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:29, Mark L. Breen wrote: > > > > > 256 is my favourite number. > > > > I prefer 1000101 :-) > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 15 09:36:39 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:36:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Message-ID: AMD 2600 EPOX 8KHA+ (off the top of my head, but I think that's right) Maxtor 160 Gb, 7200 RPM, 8Mb Cache Sony DRU-500A, Dual Format, 4X -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Oh right, I hadn't heard that... Mark, how old is your hardware (motherboard, HDD and DVD-R specifically)? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 15 September 2004 14:25 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Jon, I'm not sure if this is still true. I can't remember why at the moment, but IIRC, putting an optical drive on the same channel as an HD no longer slows the HD drive down. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Hard Drive / Optical Drive Performance Have you put another slower drive on the same channel as either of the two drives? The channel only goes as fast as the slowest thing on it. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 15 10:16:38 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: <000001c49adf$9ddb5c80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <000001c49b36$ffb8d8e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. OH MAN, something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, 4.0mbytes max. I thought it felt a TAD slow. I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is seeing close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause that dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply any adjustments at all. I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the slowdown occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the processor is running at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a "on battery" kind of issue. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 10:53:25 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:53:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: <000001c49b36$ffb8d8e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000001c49adf$9ddb5c80$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <000001c49b36$ffb8d8e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is communicating on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your IDE ATA/ATAPI Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, and then the Advanced Settings, in the device settings box, you should have DMA if available selected. On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. OH MAN, > something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, 4.0mbytes max. > I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is seeing > close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause that > dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply any > adjustments at all. > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the slowdown > occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the processor is running > at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a "on battery" kind of issue. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 15 10:57:40 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:57:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B0EA@ALCUXB> might also be worth running the add hardware wizard to see if it can find some better drivers for the hard disk controller. I know that sounsd odd as it should already have one, but it can't hurt. Jon -----Original Message----- From: fhtapia at gmail.com [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 15 September 2004 16:53 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is communicating on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your IDE ATA/ATAPI Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, and then the Advanced Settings, in the device settings box, you should have DMA if available selected. On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. OH MAN, > something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, 4.0mbytes max. > I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is seeing > close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause that > dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply any > adjustments at all. > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the slowdown > occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the processor is running > at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a "on battery" kind of issue. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 15 12:35:59 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:35:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c49b4a$79d899e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Yea, the laptop came with XP Home and I need to get on a domain at my client's site. Not much choice other than going backwards to 2K pro. Since you can't install 2K Pro over XP... That involved a clean install with all that entails. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is communicating on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your IDE ATA/ATAPI Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, and then the Advanced Settings, in the device settings box, you should have DMA if available selected. On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. > OH MAN, something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, > 4.0mbytes max. I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is > seeing close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause > that dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply > any adjustments at all. > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the > slowdown occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the > processor is running at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a > "on battery" kind of issue. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From serbach at new.rr.com Wed Sep 15 12:36:40 2004 From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:36:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve's Binary Numbers In-Reply-To: <007f01c49b2a$59f11500$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J> References: <413E0E49.21274.10F1022B@lexacorp.com.pg> <007f01c49b2a$59f11500$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J> Message-ID: <20040915123640.215262564.serbach@new.rr.com> Mark, >> I am fairly fond of that one also << I'm surrounded by sexual libertines! Steve Erbach From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 13:20:01 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:20:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: <000301c49b4a$79d899e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000301c49b4a$79d899e0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Did you get a chance to check the DMA settings? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:35:59 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Yea, the laptop came with XP Home and I need to get on a domain at my > client's site. Not much choice other than going backwards to 2K pro. Since > you can't install 2K Pro over XP... That involved a clean install with all > that entails. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > fhtapia at gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate > > ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) > > my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is communicating > on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your IDE ATA/ATAPI > Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, and then the Advanced > Settings, in the device settings box, you should have DMA if available > selected. > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby > wrote: > > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. > > OH MAN, something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, > > 4.0mbytes max. I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is > > seeing close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause > > that dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply > > any adjustments at all. > > > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the > > slowdown occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the > > processor is running at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a > > "on battery" kind of issue. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > "Rediscover the web" > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ > ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 15 23:41:28 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:41:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c49ba7$6f9fbdc0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I just ran a Windows XP Pro "fix" of my install and that fixed the problem. Took three damned hours though!!! Not a speedy thing. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of fhtapia at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is communicating on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your IDE ATA/ATAPI Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, and then the Advanced Settings, in the device settings box, you should have DMA if available selected. On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. > OH MAN, something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, > 4.0mbytes max. I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is > seeing close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could cause > that dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not supply > any adjustments at all. > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the > slowdown occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the > processor is running at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a > "on battery" kind of issue. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Sep 16 06:47:59 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:47:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30995846@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB834@ADGSERVER> Are you talking about a repair install? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate I just ran a Windows XP Pro "fix" of my install and that fixed the problem. Took three damned hours though!!! Not a speedy thing. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 16 07:13:08 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:13:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB834@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <000901c49be6$8a372670$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Well, kinda. There's a repair offered first which takes you to the dos prompt. That wouldn't take my password. I t6hen rebooted and the second time told it to do an install. It then came to a screen where the options were repair or clean install, where I chose repair. It did a bunch of deletes of existing files, then started doing what looked like an install, took 3 hours. In the end I had all my programs and stuff but the disk now worked. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:48 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate Are you talking about a repair install? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate I just ran a Windows XP Pro "fix" of my install and that fixed the problem. Took three damned hours though!!! Not a speedy thing. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 16 09:00:42 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:00:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Message-ID: Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. Mark From blreische at mdh.org Thu Sep 16 09:05:18 2004 From: blreische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:05:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801D64EFC@NEWMAN_EXC> >From Microsoft.com Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 has both a different format and a larger overall size limit for the personal folders (.pst) file than the .pst files that are in the earlier versions of Microsoft Outlook. In Outlook 2002 and earlier, the .pst files are in the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) format, and the overall size has a limit of 2 gigabytes (GB). In Outlook 2003 .pst files are in the UNICODE format by default, and the overall size of the .pst files has a limit that is more than 20 GB. Outlook 2003 supports both the UNICODE and the ANSI formats, but the versions of Outlook that are earlier than Outlook 2003 do not support the UNICODE format and have a smaller size limit. -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:01 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 16 09:26:31 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:26:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c49bf9$2d9d1dd0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I have to assume you mean 1/2 gigabyte? 1/2 terrabyte is 500 gbytes and I can tell you from bitter experience that even getting a disk that big is difficult. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:01 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 16 09:49:55 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:49:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Message-ID: Not enough Mt. Dew this morning. :( Mark -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:27 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits I have to assume you mean 1/2 gigabyte? 1/2 terrabyte is 500 gbytes and I can tell you from bitter experience that even getting a disk that big is difficult. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:01 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 16 09:50:26 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Message-ID: >> In Outlook 2002...overall size has a limit of 2 gigabytes (GB) << Yikes, I misread Outlook's folder size...it was in KB, not in MB. My largest .pst file is currently at "405351 KB". So I guess I am safe for now. Thanks. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits >From Microsoft.com Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 has both a different format and a larger overall size limit for the personal folders (.pst) file than the .pst files that are in the earlier versions of Microsoft Outlook. In Outlook 2002 and earlier, the .pst files are in the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) format, and the overall size has a limit of 2 gigabytes (GB). In Outlook 2003 .pst files are in the UNICODE format by default, and the overall size of the .pst files has a limit that is more than 20 GB. Outlook 2003 supports both the UNICODE and the ANSI formats, but the versions of Outlook that are earlier than Outlook 2003 do not support the UNICODE format and have a smaller size limit. -----Original Message----- From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:01 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 12:10:27 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:10:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i keep all my work email in Outlook and use a product called LookOut to index all my Outlook Email. Because I DO keep all my email I break into a new PST whenever my default PST grows within 500mb. I now have 3 pst's :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:26 -0400, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: > >> In Outlook 2002...overall size has a limit of 2 gigabytes (GB) << > > Yikes, I misread Outlook's folder size...it was in KB, not in MB. My > largest .pst file is currently at "405351 KB". So I guess I am safe for > now. Thanks. > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:blreische at mdh.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:05 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits > > >From Microsoft.com > > Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 has both a different format and a larger > overall size limit for the personal folders (.pst) file than the .pst files > that are in the earlier versions of Microsoft Outlook. In Outlook 2002 and > earlier, the .pst files are in the American National Standards Institute > (ANSI) format, and the overall size has a limit of 2 gigabytes (GB). > > In Outlook 2003 .pst files are in the UNICODE format by default, and the > overall size of the .pst files has a limit that is more than 20 GB. Outlook > 2003 supports both the UNICODE and the ANSI formats, but the versions of > Outlook that are earlier than Outlook 2003 do not support the UNICODE format > and have a smaller size limit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:01 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook .pst Size Limits > > Off-hand, is anyone aware of a size limitation for .pst files. I have one > in particular that is nearing 1/2 a Terabyte. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 16 20:23:08 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:23:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c49c54$e81a2530$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> No, I looked around and never found that. A "Repair" install fixed the problem. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:20 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate Did you get a chance to check the DMA settings? On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:35:59 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Yea, the laptop came with XP Home and I need to get on a domain at my > client's site. Not much choice other than going backwards to 2K pro. > Since you can't install 2K Pro over XP... That involved a clean > install with all that entails. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > fhtapia at gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:53 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Slow transfer rate > > ah, you RAN an UPGRADE :) > > my money is on that... also check to see what your hdd is > communicating on... navigate to your device manager, and click on your > IDE ATA/ATAPI Devices, Select your Primary IDE channel , properties, > and then the Advanced Settings, in the device settings box, you should > have DMA if available selected. > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:16:38 -0400, John W. Colby > wrote: > > Doing the bench on my desktop disks prompted me to bench my laptop. > > OH MAN, something is wrong. 3.5 mbytes / sec average transfer rate, > > 4.0mbytes max. I thought it felt a TAD slow. > > > > I posted a not on two forums for my lap top and at least one user is > > seeing close to 10 times that rate. Does anyone know what could > > cause that dramatic a slowdown? The bios is very basic and does not > > supply any adjustments at all. > > > > I upgraded the machine to Win2K Pro but don't really know if the > > slowdown occurred at that time or not. I have checked and the > > processor is running at full speed (Athlon64 at 3.0g) so it isn't a > > "on battery" kind of issue. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > "Rediscover the web" > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ > ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mgauk at btconnect.com Wed Sep 15 04:23:13 2004 From: mgauk at btconnect.com (MG) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:23:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409162209.i8GM9ci30409@databaseadvisors.com> Does anybody have any code to link Access to Thurderbird mail client? Thanks Max Sherman -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: 15 September 2004 04:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug... Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is awesome... if you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably take to what they are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet. -- -Francisco -- _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13/09/2004 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 20 07:03:31 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:03:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B128@ALCUXB> Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... we had a power cut here on Saturday, and everything has come up again except two pc's... they're both exactly the same model (Compaq Evo D310) and both network cards are insisting that the network cables are unplugged, when they definitely aren't. I've checked the cables from pc to port, port to switch etc... the activity and connection lights on the cards themselves are both working. I've downloaded drivers for them, removed them from device manager and reinstalled the cards, but they still say that the cables are unplugged. They're the only two pc's of that model in the building, and it seems a little odd that they're the only ones with any problems. I've tried different cables and different ports, but the it still says the cables are unplugged... I need new cards don't I? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Sep 20 07:15:12 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:15:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30995EBD@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB856@ADGSERVER> That would be my guess... Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... I need new cards don't I? Jon From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Sep 20 09:08:17 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:08:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBEB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> In several cards is a surge protection on the card. But its is a one-time protection, once it snapped the card posibly works but it has no connection with the cable anymore. You could try to change port on your hub/router, it could be those ports to. If the prob is still the same probably the surge protector on your card has snapped.... Replacing the card is only option at my knowledge. Some brands have lifetime gurantee, but don't know if that is covered by that guarantee. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... That would be my guess... Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... I need new cards don't I? Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 20 09:16:14 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:16:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B128@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Jon, It seems that net cards are very sensitive to power loss lately. Unfortunately they don't just die, they struggle along working improperly for weeks. I don't keep "inventory" parts but I actually have a stock of Ethernet cards on hand because of this. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... we had a power cut here on Saturday, and everything has come up again except two pc's... they're both exactly the same model (Compaq Evo D310) and both network cards are insisting that the network cables are unplugged, when they definitely aren't. I've checked the cables from pc to port, port to switch etc... the activity and connection lights on the cards themselves are both working. I've downloaded drivers for them, removed them from device manager and reinstalled the cards, but they still say that the cables are unplugged. They're the only two pc's of that model in the building, and it seems a little odd that they're the only ones with any problems. I've tried different cables and different ports, but the it still says the cables are unplugged... I need new cards don't I? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 20 09:16:46 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:16:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B12C@ALCUXB> Yeah, I've just ordered 10 replacements, turns out there were two more that I didn't know about this morning, different types of pc to the first two. Must be the power thing. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 20 September 2004 15:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... Jon, It seems that net cards are very sensitive to power loss lately. Unfortunately they don't just die, they struggle along working improperly for weeks. I don't keep "inventory" parts but I actually have a stock of Ethernet cards on hand because of this. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... we had a power cut here on Saturday, and everything has come up again except two pc's... they're both exactly the same model (Compaq Evo D310) and both network cards are insisting that the network cables are unplugged, when they definitely aren't. I've checked the cables from pc to port, port to switch etc... the activity and connection lights on the cards themselves are both working. I've downloaded drivers for them, removed them from device manager and reinstalled the cards, but they still say that the cables are unplugged. They're the only two pc's of that model in the building, and it seems a little odd that they're the only ones with any problems. I've tried different cables and different ports, but the it still says the cables are unplugged... I need new cards don't I? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 20 09:25:33 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:25:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBEB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: Erwin, That's good to know. Do most have this or just certain brands? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... In several cards is a surge protection on the card. But its is a one-time protection, once it snapped the card posibly works but it has no connection with the cable anymore. You could try to change port on your hub/router, it could be those ports to. If the prob is still the same probably the surge protector on your card has snapped.... Replacing the card is only option at my knowledge. Some brands have lifetime gurantee, but don't know if that is covered by that guarantee. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... That would be my guess... Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... I need new cards don't I? Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Sep 20 16:16:39 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:16:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBF0@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well I'm not sure these days, but I believe all 3COM cards had this a couple of years ago. I believe I'ts a kind of obligation in all cards due to earth-voltage differences. But its also a protection when higher voltage comes on a wire to protect avoid damage in your pc. It can snap too when you connect a phone line in to your network card.... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... Erwin, That's good to know. Do most have this or just certain brands? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... In several cards is a surge protection on the card. But its is a one-time protection, once it snapped the card posibly works but it has no connection with the cable anymore. You could try to change port on your hub/router, it could be those ports to. If the prob is still the same probably the surge protector on your card has snapped.... Replacing the card is only option at my knowledge. Some brands have lifetime gurantee, but don't know if that is covered by that guarantee. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] network cards... That would be my guess... Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:04 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] network cards... Hi all, got a bit of a strange one... I need new cards don't I? Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 21 07:39:23 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:39:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30996046@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB85C@ADGSERVER> Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 08:02:21 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:02:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B143@ALCUXB> Have you activated the drive in Disk Manager? I had problems until I remembered that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 13:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 21 08:13:33 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:13:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30996198@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB85D@ADGSERVER> Hi Jon, I hadn't, but I did. Now it says that it is a healthy 7.88GB partition. LOL. Any other ideas? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Have you activated the drive in Disk Manager? I had problems until I remembered that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 13:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 08:15:30 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:15:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B145@ALCUXB> Assigned drive letters? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 14:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi Jon, I hadn't, but I did. Now it says that it is a healthy 7.88GB partition. LOL. Any other ideas? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Have you activated the drive in Disk Manager? I had problems until I remembered that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 13:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 21 08:30:20 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:30:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309961A8@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB85E@ADGSERVER> Windows had already assigned a drive letter (K:). When I click on the drive in Explorer, I get a message box saying: K:\ is not accessible The parameter is incorrect. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Assigned drive letters? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 14:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi Jon, I hadn't, but I did. Now it says that it is a healthy 7.88GB partition. LOL. Any other ideas? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Have you activated the drive in Disk Manager? I had problems until I remembered that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 13:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 08:35:47 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:35:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B146@ALCUXB> er, it should work now... Try rebooting, see if it sorts itself out after that... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 14:30 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Windows had already assigned a drive letter (K:). When I click on the drive in Explorer, I get a message box saying: K:\ is not accessible The parameter is incorrect. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Assigned drive letters? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 14:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi Jon, I hadn't, but I did. Now it says that it is a healthy 7.88GB partition. LOL. Any other ideas? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Have you activated the drive in Disk Manager? I had problems until I remembered that :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 13:39 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com Tue Sep 21 08:49:11 2004 From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:49:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Installation Software (cross posted) Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326BD@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com> Anyone know where to get the best price on a newer version, single user copy of Installshield? Jeff From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 09:06:43 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B148@ALCUXB> Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Sep 21 09:23:11 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:23:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB85C@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Are the pin settings on the drive correct? Some hard drives have pin setting to 'shrink' their size for older computers. Drives over 32 gig have a 32 gig setting, I don't remember if 8 gig is one of the 'older' sizes, I thought it was 2 gig, but there may have been an 8 gig setting. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 09:22:57 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B149@ALCUXB> That's a point, isn't 8 gig a "large" hard drive? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Are the pin settings on the drive correct? Some hard drives have pin setting to 'shrink' their size for older computers. Drives over 32 gig have a 32 gig setting, I don't remember if 8 gig is one of the 'older' sizes, I thought it was 2 gig, but there may have been an 8 gig setting. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Sep 21 09:37:15 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:37:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B148@ALCUXB> Message-ID: right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 21 09:41:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:41:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B14B@ALCUXB> It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Tue Sep 21 09:43:38 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:43:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: Jon, I'm sorry I don't have time at the moment to generate a working solution, but if you are familiar with scripting, you should be able to patch something together with this stuff. These are all examples taken from the System Administration Scripting Guide. Mark ************************** Enumerate All the Folders on a Computer Description Returns a list of all the folders on a computer. This can take 15 minutes or more to complete, depending on the number of folders on the computer. Script Code strComputer = "." Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:" _ & "{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set colFolders = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from Win32_Directory") For Each objFolder in colFolders Wscript.Echo objFolder.Name Next ************************** Enumerate Folder Properties Description Demonstration script that uses the FileSystemObject to enumerate the properties of a folder. Script must be run on the local computer. Script Code Set objFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") Set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder("C:\Scripts") Wscript.Echo "Date created: " & objFolder.DateCreated Wscript.Echo "Date last accessed: " & objFolder.DateLastAccessed Wscript.Echo "Date last modified: " & objFolder.DateLastModified Wscript.Echo "Drive: " & objFolder.Drive Wscript.Echo "Is root folder: " & objFolder.IsRootFolder Wscript.Echo "Name: " & objFolder.Name Wscript.Echo "Parent folder: " & objFolder.ParentFolder Wscript.Echo "Path: " & objFolder.Path Wscript.Echo "Short name: " & objFolder.ShortName Wscript.Echo "Short path: " & objFolder.ShortPath Wscript.Echo "Size: " & objFolder.Size Wscript.Echo "Type: " & objFolder.Type ************************** Delete a Folder Description Demonstration script that uses the FileSystemObject to delete a folder. Script must be run on the local computer. Script Code Set objFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") objFSO.DeleteFolder("C:\FSO") ************************** Use Recursion to Enumerate Subfolders Description Demonstration script that uses the FileSystemObject to recursively list all the subfolders (and their subfolders) within a folder. Script must be run on the local computer. Script Code Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") ShowSubfolders FSO.GetFolder("C:\Scripts") Sub ShowSubFolders(Folder) For Each Subfolder in Folder.SubFolders Wscript.Echo Subfolder.Path ShowSubFolders Subfolder Next End Sub ************************** -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 21 09:48:37 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:48:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309961C9@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB860@ADGSERVER> I will re-verify the pin settings. I can access the drive through DOS just fine. And the BIOS sees it at the correct size. Jon, a reboot did not help. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Are the pin settings on the drive correct? Some hard drives have pin setting to 'shrink' their size for older computers. Drives over 32 gig have a 32 gig setting, I don't remember if 8 gig is one of the 'older' sizes, I thought it was 2 gig, but there may have been an 8 gig setting. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 10:46:59 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:46:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B148@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B148@ALCUXB> Message-ID: IF you are re-RIPPING, why not just blow away the entire folder? On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > > I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are > being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than > before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the > ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and > deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking > that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Sep 21 12:32:07 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:32:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B148@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <019d01c4a000$eae273d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> What you need is a bit of VBA code that cycles through all of the folders on a drive. Then you could get the directory for each folder and the ones that return a null string would be the empties. Maybe someone on AccessD has such a snippet. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders > Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > > I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are > being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than > before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the > ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and > deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking > that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > > Jon > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 16:08:44 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:08:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: If you xcopy the whole directory structure and use the /S option it will copy sub-folders but NOT empty ones. You could copy all your music to a different major directory name, make sure it did what you want, then delete or rename the original one and rename back to the original name. You also could do something with a utility like Karen's Directory Printer - part of Karen's Power Tools utilities - available at http://www.karenware.com/powertools/powertools.asp I have used it to extract file directory stuff into text files Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100 > >Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > >I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are >being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than >before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the >ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and >deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking >that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Sep 21 16:28:49 2004 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:28:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech References: Message-ID: <000e01c4a021$fd14f2f0$0100a8c0@Martin> I need something to copy a DVD, Any suggestions Martin From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 21 17:07:12 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:07:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B14B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <415132B0.10663.3C3901E@lexacorp.com.pg> On 21 Sep 2004 at 15:41, Jon Tydda wrote: > It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... > > I hate it when you make me look words up... > > Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each > term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." > Polynomial? eep, maths! > > Definition of: Recursive: see Recursive -- Stuart From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue Sep 21 17:32:04 2004 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders References: <415132B0.10663.3C3901E@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4150ABE4.4070206@shaw.ca> "In order to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion#Recursive_Definition_of_Recursion Stuart McLachlan wrote: >On 21 Sep 2004 at 15:41, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > >>It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... >> >>I hate it when you make me look words up... >> >>Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each >>term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." >>Polynomial? eep, maths! >> >> >> >> > >Definition of: >Recursive: see Recursive > > > > > > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 17:51:17 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:51:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech In-Reply-To: <000e01c4a021$fd14f2f0$0100a8c0@Martin> References: <000e01c4a021$fd14f2f0$0100a8c0@Martin> Message-ID: Data - use Nero 6, to backup a legitimate DVD for personal use, use dvdshrink.org On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:28:49 +0100, Martin Reid wrote: > I need something to copy a DVD, Any suggestions > > Martin -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 22 03:23:52 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:23:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B155@ALCUXB> Cos I'm doing them 5 cd's a day - I have to bring them to work, and carting 700 cd's around isn't my idea of a good time... Also, my boss might notice the ones that didn't fit in my bag :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 16:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Empty folders IF you are re-RIPPING, why not just blow away the entire folder? On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > > I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are > being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than > before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the > ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and > deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking > that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > Jon > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco "Rediscover the web" http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=792&t=86 http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 22 03:24:47 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:24:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B156@ALCUXB> Hmm, that sounds cool... is xcopy part of windows? I'll do that when I'm done re-ripping, thanks Gary Jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 22:09 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders If you xcopy the whole directory structure and use the /S option it will copy sub-folders but NOT empty ones. You could copy all your music to a different major directory name, make sure it did what you want, then delete or rename the original one and rename back to the original name. You also could do something with a utility like Karen's Directory Printer - part of Karen's Power Tools utilities - available at http://www.karenware.com/powertools/powertools.asp I have used it to extract file directory stuff into text files Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100 > >Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > >I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are >being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than >before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the >ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and >deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking >that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject >to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk >ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 22 03:39:28 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:39:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B156@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4151C6E0.14074.13945A1@lexacorp.com.pg> On 22 Sep 2004 at 9:24, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hmm, that sounds cool... is xcopy part of windows? > It's been part of MSDOS since about v 3.0 :-) Just open a command prompt and thye XCCOPY /? C:\>xcopy /? Copies files and directory trees. XCOPY source [destination] [/A | /M] [/D[:date]] [/P] [/S [/E]] [/V] [/W] [/C] [/I] [/Q] [/F] [/L] [/H] [/R] [/T] [/U] [/K] [/N] [/O] [/X] [/Y] [/-Y] [/Z] [/EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]...] source Specifies the file(s) to copy. destination Specifies the location and/or name of new files. /A Copies only files with the archive attribute set, doesn't change the attribute. /M Copies only files with the archive attribute set, turns off the archive attribute. /D:m-d-y Copies files changed on or after the specified date. If no date is given, copies only those files whose source time is newer than the destination time. /EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]... Specifies a list of files containing strings. When any of the strings match any part of the absolute path of the file to be copied, that file will be excluded from being copied. For example, specifying a string like \obj\ or .obj will exclude all files underneath the directory obj or all files with the .obj extension respectively. /P Prompts you before creating each destination file. /S Copies directories and subdirectories except empty ones. /E Copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones. Same as /S /E. May be used to modify /T. /V Verifies each new file. /W Prompts you to press a key before copying. /C Continues copying even if errors occur. /I If destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assumes that destination must be a directory. /Q Does not display file names while copying. /F Displays full source and destination file names while copying. /L Displays files that would be copied. /H Copies hidden and system files also. /R Overwrites read-only files. /T Creates directory structure, but does not copy files. Does not include empty directories or subdirectories. /T /E includes empty directories and subdirectories. /U Copies only files that already exist in destination. /K Copies attributes. Normal Xcopy will reset read-only attributes. /N Copies using the generated short names. /O Copies file ownership and ACL information. /X Copies file audit settings (implies /O). /Y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /-Y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /Z Copies networked files in restartable mode. The switch /Y may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line. -- Stuart From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 22 03:55:05 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:55:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B15A@ALCUXB> Hey that's cool... er, whilst I vaguely remember using DOS with windows 3.0 at home, it was a while ago, and I've mostly been brought up on Win 95+ ;-) The only version of DOS that I remember using was 6.22 (possibly the last one I think) and that was just writing and running batch files, meddling with Autoexec.bat and Config.sys, and making directories (See, I even know that they were called before folders!). Thanks Stuart Jon -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: 22 September 2004 09:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders On 22 Sep 2004 at 9:24, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hmm, that sounds cool... is xcopy part of windows? > It's been part of MSDOS since about v 3.0 :-) Just open a command prompt and thye XCCOPY /? C:\>xcopy /? Copies files and directory trees. XCOPY source [destination] [/A | /M] [/D[:date]] [/P] [/S [/E]] [/V] [/W] [/C] [/I] [/Q] [/F] [/L] [/H] [/R] [/T] [/U] [/K] [/N] [/O] [/X] [/Y] [/-Y] [/Z] [/EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]...] source Specifies the file(s) to copy. destination Specifies the location and/or name of new files. /A Copies only files with the archive attribute set, doesn't change the attribute. /M Copies only files with the archive attribute set, turns off the archive attribute. /D:m-d-y Copies files changed on or after the specified date. If no date is given, copies only those files whose source time is newer than the destination time. /EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]... Specifies a list of files containing strings. When any of the strings match any part of the absolute path of the file to be copied, that file will be excluded from being copied. For example, specifying a string like \obj\ or .obj will exclude all files underneath the directory obj or all files with the .obj extension respectively. /P Prompts you before creating each destination file. /S Copies directories and subdirectories except empty ones. /E Copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones. Same as /S /E. May be used to modify /T. /V Verifies each new file. /W Prompts you to press a key before copying. /C Continues copying even if errors occur. /I If destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assumes that destination must be a directory. /Q Does not display file names while copying. /F Displays full source and destination file names while copying. /L Displays files that would be copied. /H Copies hidden and system files also. /R Overwrites read-only files. /T Creates directory structure, but does not copy files. Does not include empty directories or subdirectories. /T /E includes empty directories and subdirectories. /U Copies only files that already exist in destination. /K Copies attributes. Normal Xcopy will reset read-only attributes. /N Copies using the generated short names. /O Copies file ownership and ACL information. /X Copies file audit settings (implies /O). /Y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /-Y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an existing destination file. /Z Copies networked files in restartable mode. The switch /Y may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line. -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From marcus at tsstech.com Wed Sep 22 06:18:44 2004 From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:18:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech Message-ID: Dvd shrink + nero http://www.dvdshrink.org/ http://www.nero.com/us/index.html -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech I need something to copy a DVD, Any suggestions Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 22 07:16:07 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:16:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech Message-ID: My thoughts on fair use have been aired before so I do not feel guilty providing this information. Here's my quick and dirty tutorial for copy-protected DVDs: 1. Rip the DVD to an .iso image using DVD Decrypter. This removes all copy protection and region codes. You must have an OS capable of handling file sizes >4Gb. This means Windows NT, 2000, or XP. 2. I use Daemon Tools as an optical drive emulator to "mount" .iso images as a drive. 3. Open the image using DVD Shrink. It would be difficult to describe all the options entirely, but you are mainly concerned with either backing up the entire disc, or re-authoring the DVD with only the items you select (i.e. main movie, wide-screen version only). DVD Shrink integrates with Nero allowing you to burn directly to a blank DVD. If you don't have Nero you can create another .iso image and burn with DVD Decrypter. Caveats when backing up a DVD: DVD burners and associated media come in two primary flavors, DVD+R and DVD-R. Computers can read either. Stand-alone DVD players can be temperamental...which formats they will read and even regarding brands of media. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Scott Marcus [mailto:marcus at tsstech.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech Dvd shrink + nero http://www.dvdshrink.org/ http://www.nero.com/us/index.html -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech I need something to copy a DVD, Any suggestions Martin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Wed Sep 22 08:06:50 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:06:50 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBFB@stekelbes.ithelps.local> http://www.memecode.com/idisk.php This tool can come handy to. It inventorizes the space usage on your disk. You can find empty or small folders this way to. Or find the folder using the most space.. I use it regulary on my music collection... Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:09 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders If you xcopy the whole directory structure and use the /S option it will copy sub-folders but NOT empty ones. You could copy all your music to a different major directory name, make sure it did what you want, then delete or rename the original one and rename back to the original name. You also could do something with a utility like Karen's Directory Printer - part of Karen's Power Tools utilities - available at http://www.karenware.com/powertools/powertools.asp I have used it to extract file directory stuff into text files Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" >Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:06:43 +0100 > >Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? > >I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums >are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to >date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I >have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all >the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to >be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... > > >Jon > > >The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are >subject to the legal notice available on request from : >webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. >Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. >Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Sep 22 08:21:52 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:21:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. SOLVED In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309961C9@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB862@ADGSERVER> Drew, you da man! The jumper on the Maxtor was in the same place for a slave as the WD drive was. That and the fact that The BIOS and DOS saw it as a slave led me to believe that the jumper there was for the slave setting. Well, it turns out that the Maxtor that I have uses no jumper for the slave setting. The jumper that was there is the "cylinder limitation jumper." I took it off and bang!, Win 2K could see all of the partitions and drive. Thanks to all for their assistance on this matter. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Are the pin settings on the drive correct? Some hard drives have pin setting to 'shrink' their size for older computers. Drives over 32 gig have a 32 gig setting, I don't remember if 8 gig is one of the 'older' sizes, I thought it was 2 gig, but there may have been an 8 gig setting. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Sep 22 08:52:39 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:52:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. SOLVED In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB862@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: Glad to help. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. SOLVED Drew, you da man! The jumper on the Maxtor was in the same place for a slave as the WD drive was. That and the fact that The BIOS and DOS saw it as a slave led me to believe that the jumper there was for the slave setting. Well, it turns out that the Maxtor that I have uses no jumper for the slave setting. The jumper that was there is the "cylinder limitation jumper." I took it off and bang!, Win 2K could see all of the partitions and drive. Thanks to all for their assistance on this matter. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Are the pin settings on the drive correct? Some hard drives have pin setting to 'shrink' their size for older computers. Drives over 32 gig have a 32 gig setting, I don't remember if 8 gig is one of the 'older' sizes, I thought it was 2 gig, but there may have been an 8 gig setting. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:39 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 2K Pro not seeing all of extra HD. Hi all, I found a spare 20GB sitting around here at work and put it into my machine as a ghost file drive. Anyway, I made 3 partitions on it. 2 partitions for swap partitions and 1 for the ghost data. When I look at it in the drive manager, it only sees it as 8GB and I can not see anything on the drive. Although from DOS, everything looks fine. I am using System Commander as a boot manager if that matters. What exactly am I not remembering at the moment that is causing this? Thanks, Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 22 09:57:13 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:57:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf Message-ID: <00f401c4a0b4$71f31510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. Any ideas why? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Wed Sep 22 09:57:23 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:57:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: Yep, xcopy is part of the OS, been there for a long time. It's a tweaked up version of the copy command. I use a simple batch file that uses an xcopy command to back up my hard drives to an external hard drive. --------------------Start below (BackupToUSB.BAT) cd \ xcopy c:\*.* I: /s /d /c /y --------------------End above The options I use are /s = Do Subdirectorys (or FOLDERS for you youngsters) /d = Copy only files newer than on the destination drive /c = Continue even if an error occurs (I get a couple errors on files that can't be copied sind they are in use) /y = suppress prompting for "do you want to overwrite?" message (so it keeps going) Put a shortcut on my desktop to this batch file and I copy everything that has changed since the last go around to the external whenever I want. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: Jon Tydda >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues'" >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:55:05 +0100 > >Hey that's cool... er, whilst I vaguely remember using DOS with windows 3.0 >at home, it was a while ago, and I've mostly been brought up on Win 95+ ;-) > >The only version of DOS that I remember using was 6.22 (possibly the last >one I think) and that was just writing and running batch files, meddling >with Autoexec.bat and Config.sys, and making directories (See, I even know >that they were called before folders!). > >Thanks Stuart > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] >Sent: 22 September 2004 09:39 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders > > >On 22 Sep 2004 at 9:24, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hmm, that sounds cool... is xcopy part of windows? > > > >It's been part of MSDOS since about v 3.0 :-) > >Just open a command prompt and thye XCCOPY /? > > >C:\>xcopy /? >Copies files and directory trees. > >XCOPY source [destination] [/A | /M] [/D[:date]] [/P] [/S [/E]] [/V] [/W] > [/C] [/I] [/Q] [/F] [/L] [/H] [/R] [/T] [/U] > [/K] [/N] [/O] [/X] [/Y] [/-Y] [/Z] > [/EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]...] > > source Specifies the file(s) to copy. > destination Specifies the location and/or name of new files. > /A Copies only files with the archive attribute set, > doesn't change the attribute. > /M Copies only files with the archive attribute set, > turns off the archive attribute. > /D:m-d-y Copies files changed on or after the specified date. > If no date is given, copies only those files whose > source time is newer than the destination time. > /EXCLUDE:file1[+file2][+file3]... > Specifies a list of files containing strings. When any of >the > strings match any part of the absolute path of the file to >be > copied, that file will be excluded from being copied. For > example, specifying a string like \obj\ or .obj will >exclude > all files underneath the directory obj or all files with >the > .obj extension respectively. > /P Prompts you before creating each destination file. > /S Copies directories and subdirectories except empty ones. > /E Copies directories and subdirectories, including empty >ones. > Same as /S /E. May be used to modify /T. > /V Verifies each new file. > /W Prompts you to press a key before copying. > /C Continues copying even if errors occur. > /I If destination does not exist and copying more than one >file, > assumes that destination must be a directory. > /Q Does not display file names while copying. > /F Displays full source and destination file names while >copying. > /L Displays files that would be copied. > /H Copies hidden and system files also. > /R Overwrites read-only files. > /T Creates directory structure, but does not copy files. Does >not > include empty directories or subdirectories. /T /E includes > empty directories and subdirectories. > /U Copies only files that already exist in destination. > /K Copies attributes. Normal Xcopy will reset read-only >attributes. > /N Copies using the generated short names. > /O Copies file ownership and ACL information. > /X Copies file audit settings (implies /O). > /Y Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an > existing destination file. > /-Y Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite an > existing destination file. > /Z Copies networked files in restartable mode. > >The switch /Y may be preset in the COPYCMD environment variable. >This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line. > >-- >Stuart From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 10:06:43 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:06:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf In-Reply-To: <00f401c4a0b4$71f31510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> References: <00f401c4a0b4$71f31510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: I'm running Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 I do not have this issue, when did you notice this problem.. do you have any extentions added? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:57:13 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > Any ideas why? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 22 10:09:29 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:09:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf Message-ID: Sounds like some other program has hijacked the extension. A quick re-install of the plug-in should fix it. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:57 AM To: dba-tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. Any ideas why? TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Wed Sep 22 10:25:29 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c4a0b8$64c427e0$6501a8c0@rock> Al Jazeera's website runs on .NET Framework 1.0. From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 22 10:36:41 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf References: Message-ID: <020f01c4a0b9$f52c4690$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Mark: The association looks correct. What means to re-install the plug-in? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > Sounds like some other program has hijacked the extension. A quick > re-install of the plug-in should fix it. > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:57 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. > Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf > file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > Any ideas why? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Sep 22 10:37:34 2004 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:37:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? References: <004901c4a0b8$64c427e0$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: <001401c4a0ba$147acd50$9111758f@aine> See behind all the worlds troubles lies Microsoft!!! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? > Al Jazeera's website runs on .NET Framework 1.0. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 10:42:01 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:42:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I typically don't use DVD decrypter because it is mostly unnecessary, DVD shrink does a fine job of reading the source DVD and then pushing out either the files for DVD burning or burning straight ot your target media. on the topic of DVD (?) R, + is the newer format, and is readable by computers, and only readable by the most newere DVD players... 2003 and forward this media has been known to be tempermental by brand of media. DVD-R has been extreamly flexiable as far as compatibility. It plays back on some of the most tempermental DVD products such as Sony DVD palyers, Hitachi, and Sony PS2. all have playedback a movie for this media type of any brand, I mean any, I've tried, high end, fast speed (for my burner 4x) and cheap-o 1x as well On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:16:07 -0400, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: > My thoughts on fair use have been aired before so I do not feel guilty > providing this information. > > Here's my quick and dirty tutorial for copy-protected DVDs: > > 1. Rip the DVD to an .iso image using DVD Decrypter. This removes all copy > protection and region codes. You must have an OS capable of handling file > sizes >4Gb. This means Windows NT, 2000, or XP. > > 2. I use Daemon Tools as an optical drive emulator to "mount" .iso images as > a drive. > > 3. Open the image using DVD Shrink. It would be difficult to describe all > the options entirely, but you are mainly concerned with either backing up > the entire disc, or re-authoring the DVD with only the items you select > (i.e. main movie, wide-screen version only). DVD Shrink integrates with > Nero allowing you to burn directly to a blank DVD. If you don't have Nero > you can create another .iso image and burn with DVD Decrypter. > > Caveats when backing up a DVD: DVD burners and associated media come in two > primary flavors, DVD+R and DVD-R. Computers can read either. Stand-alone > DVD players can be temperamental...which formats they will read and even > regarding brands of media. > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Marcus [mailto:marcus at tsstech.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:19 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech > > Dvd shrink + nero > > http://www.dvdshrink.org/ > > http://www.nero.com/us/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:29 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Re: [dba-Tech > > I need something to copy a DVD, Any suggestions > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 22 11:41:29 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:41:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf References: <00f401c4a0b4$71f31510$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <026601c4a0c3$0273d8f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Few days ago. I'm running Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040707 Firefox/0.9.2. Maybe an upgrade to .10 would fix it. On Tools-->Options I have no extensions tab so I assume I don't have any installed? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > I'm running Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3) > Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 > > I do not have this issue, when did you notice this problem.. do you > have any extentions added? > > > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:57:13 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access > Software wrote: > > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > > > Any ideas why? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 22 12:00:16 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf Message-ID: My apologies. I should have listed my suggestion as a "WAG". Another WAG would be a re-installation of Acrobat Reader. Isn't that the point where "browser integration" occurs? Just another guess...sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf Mark: The association looks correct. What means to re-install the plug-in? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > Sounds like some other program has hijacked the extension. A quick > re-install of the plug-in should fix it. > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:57 AM > To: dba-tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. > Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no pdf > file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > Any ideas why? > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Wed Sep 22 12:15:59 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:15:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006001c4a0c7$d4f21ef0$6501a8c0@rock> I bought an LG DVD burner which came with the software cited in the subject. When I select "My Documents" as the thing to record, everything goes well until it checks the filenames. Then it busts me saying: "According to the OS compatibility check, the names of the following files need to be changed. Click and change the name, or change the OS compatibility in Data Track Properties otherwise the data may not be read properly." It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to change this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient systems like DOS, Win95, etc. The oldest machine I have runs Win2K, so all I care about are Win2K and WinXP. But the software won't let me edit this value, as far as I can see. Anyone know this software, and what I should to about this problem? TIA, Arthur P.S. If you think Access help is not, wait until you see this help file! In comparison, MS gets a Pulitzer. From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 12:54:12 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:54:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yeah an upgrade to 1.0 WILL fix it... not to mention you're running a vulnerable version of the browser... anything under 1.0 are vulnerable to some exploit published after 1.0 came out. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0400, Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote: > My apologies. I should have listed my suggestion as a "WAG". Another WAG > would be a re-installation of Acrobat Reader. Isn't that the point where > "browser integration" occurs? Just another guess...sorry I couldn't be more > helpful. > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > Mark: > > The association looks correct. What means to re-install the plug-in? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > Sounds like some other program has hijacked the extension. A quick > > re-install of the plug-in should fix it. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:57 AM > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > > > > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. > > Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no > pdf > > file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > > > Any ideas why? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 12:59:59 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:59:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold In-Reply-To: <006001c4a0c7$d4f21ef0$6501a8c0@rock> References: <006001c4a0c7$d4f21ef0$6501a8c0@rock> Message-ID: Arthur, don't give yourself a headache... go w/ Nero... you may be able to find some sites via bizrate or pricegrabber where you can get a less expensive copy. Nero is the de-facto standard... it's easy, makes reliable backups. definatly one of those programs that are worth buying. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:15:59 -0400, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I bought an LG DVD burner which came with the software cited in the > subject. When I select "My Documents" as the thing to record, everything > goes well until it checks the filenames. Then it busts me saying: > > "According to the OS compatibility check, the names of the following > files need to be changed. Click and change the name, or change the OS > compatibility in Data Track Properties otherwise the data may not be > read properly." > > It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, > but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to change > this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient systems like > DOS, Win95, etc. The oldest machine I have runs Win2K, so all I care > about are Win2K and WinXP. But the software won't let me edit this > value, as far as I can see. > > Anyone know this software, and what I should to about this problem? > > TIA, > Arthur > > P.S. > If you think Access help is not, wait until you see this help file! In > comparison, MS gets a Pulitzer. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 22 14:22:33 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:22:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold Message-ID: Arthur, The only time I've run into this type of error is when the entire path + filename > 255 characters. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold I bought an LG DVD burner which came with the software cited in the subject. When I select "My Documents" as the thing to record, everything goes well until it checks the filenames. Then it busts me saying: "According to the OS compatibility check, the names of the following files need to be changed. Click and change the name, or change the OS compatibility in Data Track Properties otherwise the data may not be read properly." It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to change this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient systems like DOS, Win95, etc. The oldest machine I have runs Win2K, so all I care about are Win2K and WinXP. But the software won't let me edit this value, as far as I can see. Anyone know this software, and what I should to about this problem? TIA, Arthur P.S. If you think Access help is not, wait until you see this help file! In comparison, MS gets a Pulitzer. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Wed Sep 22 14:38:53 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:38:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309965DD@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB86E@ADGSERVER> Someone mentioned Nero. I got the following link of off www.fatwallet.com. It has Nero 6.0.0.6 OEM for $3.99. You are supposed to buy some hardware (a fan or cable should work). http://www.softwareandstuff.com/SWW12281.html I know nothing about this site. Just passing along the information. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold Arthur, The only time I've run into this type of error is when the entire path + filename > 255 characters. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:16 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold I bought an LG DVD burner which came with the software cited in the subject. When I select "My Documents" as the thing to record, everything goes well until it checks the filenames. Then it busts me saying: "According to the OS compatibility check, the names of the following files need to be changed. Click and change the name, or change the OS compatibility in Data Track Properties otherwise the data may not be read properly." It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to change this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient systems like DOS, Win95, etc. The oldest machine I have runs Win2K, so all I care about are Win2K and WinXP. But the software won't let me edit this value, as far as I can see. Anyone know this software, and what I should to about this problem? TIA, Arthur P.S. If you think Access help is not, wait until you see this help file! In comparison, MS gets a Pulitzer. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 15:25:55 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:25:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? In-Reply-To: <001401c4a0ba$147acd50$9111758f@aine> References: <004901c4a0b8$64c427e0$6501a8c0@rock> <001401c4a0ba$147acd50$9111758f@aine> Message-ID: how did you discover that? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:37:34 +0100, Martin Reid wrote: > See behind all the worlds troubles lies Microsoft!!! > > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? > > > Al Jazeera's website runs on .NET Framework 1.0. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 22 16:04:04 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:04:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, and what were you supposed to be doing? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: 22 September 2004 21:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? how did you discover that? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:37:34 +0100, Martin Reid wrote: > See behind all the worlds troubles lies Microsoft!!! > > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? > > > Al Jazeera's website runs on .NET Framework 1.0. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 22 16:32:10 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:32:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf References: Message-ID: <04b801c4a0eb$9eb446f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Reinstalling Acrobat seems to have done it. Thanks for the idea. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > My apologies. I should have listed my suggestion as a "WAG". Another WAG > would be a re-installation of Acrobat Reader. Isn't that the point where > "browser integration" occurs? Just another guess...sorry I couldn't be more > helpful. > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:37 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > Mark: > > The association looks correct. What means to re-install the plug-in? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > > Sounds like some other program has hijacked the extension. A quick > > re-install of the plug-in should fix it. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:57 AM > > To: dba-tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox and pdf > > > > > > I'm running Firefox and it seems to have a problem displaying pdf files. > > Used to work. Now I just get 'Done' at the bottom of the screen and no > pdf > > file. Doesn't launch Acrobat. > > > > Any ideas why? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com Wed Sep 22 16:59:41 2004 From: peter.brawley at artfulsoftware.com (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:59:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? References: Message-ID: <001101c4a0ef$89218600$0c0110ac@toshnb> >how did you discover that? This morning, the first link in ... Aren't Iraqis better off without the Baath party, Saddam Hussein and a legacy tainted by internal discord? at http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/023B71D9-9C84-4DC8-969E-32AD55B82A3D. htm threw a 'Server too busy' error with a message from .NET. (The link works now.) PB ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Tydda To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? Yeah, and what were you supposed to be doing? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: 22 September 2004 21:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? how did you discover that? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:37:34 +0100, Martin Reid wrote: > See behind all the worlds troubles lies Microsoft!!! > > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Who woulda thunk it? > > > Al Jazeera's website runs on .NET Framework 1.0. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 22 18:07:42 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:07:42 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold In-Reply-To: <006001c4a0c7$d4f21ef0$6501a8c0@rock> References: Message-ID: <4152925D.15984.4542628@lexacorp.com.pg> On 22 Sep 2004 at 13:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, > but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to change > this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient systems like > DOS, Win95, etc. Look for a checkbox or something that includes the word "Joliet". If you can, turn off "Joliet compliance checking" or whatever. It's MSs "enhancement" of the ISO standard to handle Win95/NT LFNs and Unicode. "Joliet compliant media shall comply with the remainder of ISO 9660 section 6.8.2.1, so that for each file recorded, the sum of the following shall not exceed 240: * the length of the file identifier; * the length of the directory identifiers of all relevant directories; * the number of relevant directories. The above lengths shall be expressed as a number of bytes. " Note that if you have Unicode filenames, that effectively restricts you to 120 characters for the full path/filername - otherwise it is 249 characters. -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Wed Sep 22 19:28:58 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:28:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold In-Reply-To: <4152925D.15984.4542628@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <00b601c4a104$54d4a660$6501a8c0@rock> Found it. Thanks! It got my whole MyDocuments directory in one swell foop. Kewl! Sure beats about 8 CDs! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] B's Recorder Gold On 22 Sep 2004 at 13:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > It took me about half a day to locate the Data Track Properties sheet, > but usability aside, there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to > change this setting. I don't care about reading the dvd on ancient > systems like DOS, Win95, etc. Look for a checkbox or something that includes the word "Joliet". If you can, turn off "Joliet compliance checking" or whatever. It's MSs "enhancement" of the ISO standard to handle Win95/NT LFNs and Unicode. From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Sep 23 07:24:53 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:24:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6A32@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB86F@ADGSERVER> Recursion, as applied to programming, is where a function calls itself. As applied to directories/files, you would call a function that starts at the root of a drive. Something like (air pseudo-code): GetDirInfo "c:\" 'no error checking in this code public sub GetDirInfo(byval strPath as string) dim strFile as string strFile=dir$(strpath) do while len(strFile)>0 if (strfile is a directory) then 'call to self is here GetDirInfo strFile else 'do something with file name end if loop end sub Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 23 07:36:19 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:36:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B14B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000e01c4a169$ed74f680$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Recursion in software means when a function calls itself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 23 08:49:10 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:49:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B177@ALCUXB> slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 13:25 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Recursion, as applied to programming, is where a function calls itself. As applied to directories/files, you would call a function that starts at the root of a drive. Something like (air pseudo-code): GetDirInfo "c:\" 'no error checking in this code public sub GetDirInfo(byval strPath as string) dim strFile as string strFile=dir$(strpath) do while len(strFile)>0 if (strfile is a directory) then 'call to self is here GetDirInfo strFile else 'do something with file name end if loop end sub Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Sep 23 09:01:57 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:01:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B177@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <41529F15.20914.3A96C58@localhost> On 23 Sep 2004 at 14:49, Jon Tydda wrote: > slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a > different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten > minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... Server problems :( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca RAM Disk is not an installation technique! From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 23 09:03:25 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:03:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: Something is definitely screwy. I've received numerous posts today (9/23) that were sent as early as Monday (9/20). I included the dates in case you don't get this till next week;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jon Tydda [mailto:Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 13:25 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Recursion, as applied to programming, is where a function calls itself. As applied to directories/files, you would call a function that starts at the root of a drive. Something like (air pseudo-code): GetDirInfo "c:\" 'no error checking in this code public sub GetDirInfo(byval strPath as string) dim strFile as string strFile=dir$(strpath) do while len(strFile)>0 if (strfile is a directory) then 'call to self is here GetDirInfo strFile else 'do something with file name end if loop end sub Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 23 09:04:50 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:04:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B17A@ALCUXB> ok, was me getting two copies of that a joke or a server problem? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: 23 September 2004 15:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Jon Tydda Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders On 23 Sep 2004 at 14:49, Jon Tydda wrote: > slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a > different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten > minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... Server problems :( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca RAM Disk is not an installation technique! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Sep 23 09:11:17 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:11:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <41529F15.20914.3A96C58@localhost> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B177@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <4152A145.21073.3B1F76F@localhost> On 23 Sep 2004 at 10:01, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 23 Sep 2004 at 14:49, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a > > different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten > > minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... > > Server problems :( Should have added, I'm working on it and have been for over a week now :(( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Shouldn't all married men forget their mistakes? After all there's no sense in two people remembering the same things, right? From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Thu Sep 23 09:30:00 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: Bryan, No disrespect or pressure intended. Everyone appreciates the effort you put into this list. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders On 23 Sep 2004 at 10:01, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On 23 Sep 2004 at 14:49, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > slightly OT, but can anyone tell me why I'm getting these posts in a > > different order here at work than I am at home? I just got one ten > > minutes ago that I saw at home last night, some 18 horus ago... > > Server problems :( Should have added, I'm working on it and have been for over a week now :(( -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Shouldn't all married men forget their mistakes? After all there's no sense in two people remembering the same things, right? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 23 10:18:27 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:18:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B14B@ALCUXB> Message-ID: LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 23 10:23:56 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:23:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B180@ALCUXB> I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Sep 23 10:48:39 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:48:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6B30@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB872@ADGSERVER> Sort of, but not really. Drew's example does have a looping structure, but it is calling itself. Here's and example through a directory tree: c:\ file1 file2 dir1 dir1file1 dir1file2 dir3 dir3file1 dir2 dir2file1 file3 first call into c:\ returns level 1 file1 - print it 1 file2 - print it 1 dir1 - call function with dir1 2 dir1file1 - print it 2 dir1file2 - print it 2 dir3 - call function with dir3 3 dir3file1 - print it 3 return from level 3 2 return from level 2 1 dir2 - call function with dir3 2 dir2file1 - print it 2 return from level 2 1 file 3 - print it 1 exit top level of function Is that clear as mud now? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 23 11:39:43 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:39:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B180@ALCUXB> Message-ID: Sort of, the key difference is the 'spawning'. A loop just runs over and over. But each loop starts and ends, before the next one. In a recursive function, you are creating 'child' processes that have to start and finish before their parent can finish. For instance, take a function that runs through the files and folders on your machine: Call1 (to C:\ -- runs all files, and calls itself for all folders Call2 (to C:\WINNT\ -- same, but Call1 hasn't finished yet, because it called Call2) Call3 (to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ -- now call 2 and 1 are still 'open', and this call is 'holding them') Call4 (to C:\WINNT\TEMP\) ...... ...... Call30 (to C:\WINNT\XYZ\ when this completes, all 'parent' calls can be closed, because it's the last folder to be hit, so now the function in Call1 can continue, which may produce another 'tree' of function calls) Does that make sense? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 23 12:02:36 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:02:36 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735D@stekelbes.ithelps.local> But one must be carefull not to generarate infinite loops with this.... Folder depth is finite, so that should no cause any prob.... Erwin -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka Verzonden: donderdag 23 september 2004 18:40 Aan: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Onderwerp: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Sort of, the key difference is the 'spawning'. A loop just runs over and over. But each loop starts and ends, before the next one. In a recursive function, you are creating 'child' processes that have to start and finish before their parent can finish. For instance, take a function that runs through the files and folders on your machine: Call1 (to C:\ -- runs all files, and calls itself for all folders Call2 (to C:\WINNT\ -- same, but Call1 hasn't finished yet, because it called Call2) Call3 (to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ -- now call 2 and 1 are still 'open', and this call is 'holding them') Call4 (to C:\WINNT\TEMP\) ...... ...... Call30 (to C:\WINNT\XYZ\ when this completes, all 'parent' calls can be closed, because it's the last folder to be hit, so now the function in Call1 can continue, which may produce another 'tree' of function calls) Does that make sense? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Thu Sep 23 12:18:12 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:18:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6BBD@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB875@ADGSERVER> True, you will eventually run out of stack space if you recurse too deeply. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders But one must be carefull not to generarate infinite loops with this.... Folder depth is finite, so that should no cause any prob.... Erwin From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 23 16:10:03 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:10:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B180@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <002201c4a1b1$b31aae10$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Ye kinda, except with recursion if you do it too deep you get an "out of stack space". With a loop it just never returns and you have to hit the break key. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Sep 23 18:16:06 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:16:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB872@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: I was with you all the way till "tree:"... :-) it's too late tonight... I need some sleep. I'll look at these tomorrow, see I can figger 'em out. Thanks Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 23 September 2004 16:49 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Sort of, but not really. Drew's example does have a looping structure, but it is calling itself. Here's and example through a directory tree: c:\ file1 file2 dir1 dir1file1 dir1file2 dir3 dir3file1 dir2 dir2file1 file3 first call into c:\ returns level 1 file1 - print it 1 file2 - print it 1 dir1 - call function with dir1 2 dir1file1 - print it 2 dir1file2 - print it 2 dir3 - call function with dir3 3 dir3file1 - print it 3 return from level 3 2 return from level 2 1 dir2 - call function with dir3 2 dir2file1 - print it 2 return from level 2 1 file 3 - print it 1 exit top level of function Is that clear as mud now? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Sep 23 18:22:22 2004 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:22:22 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: erm yeah, I meant something like i= 1 to 10 do this next i as a loop, so that it'd do it 10 times and stop, rather than going infinitely... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 23 September 2004 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Sort of, the key difference is the 'spawning'. A loop just runs over and over. But each loop starts and ends, before the next one. In a recursive function, you are creating 'child' processes that have to start and finish before their parent can finish. For instance, take a function that runs through the files and folders on your machine: Call1 (to C:\ -- runs all files, and calls itself for all folders Call2 (to C:\WINNT\ -- same, but Call1 hasn't finished yet, because it called Call2) Call3 (to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ -- now call 2 and 1 are still 'open', and this call is 'holding them') Call4 (to C:\WINNT\TEMP\) ...... ...... Call30 (to C:\WINNT\XYZ\ when this completes, all 'parent' calls can be closed, because it's the last folder to be hit, so now the function in Call1 can continue, which may produce another 'tree' of function calls) Does that make sense? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 23 19:30:44 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:30:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recursion isn't meant to go to infinity, but it is meant to run a 'tree', where the number of branching limbs is variable. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders erm yeah, I meant something like i= 1 to 10 do this next i as a loop, so that it'd do it 10 times and stop, rather than going infinitely... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 23 September 2004 17:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Sort of, the key difference is the 'spawning'. A loop just runs over and over. But each loop starts and ends, before the next one. In a recursive function, you are creating 'child' processes that have to start and finish before their parent can finish. For instance, take a function that runs through the files and folders on your machine: Call1 (to C:\ -- runs all files, and calls itself for all folders Call2 (to C:\WINNT\ -- same, but Call1 hasn't finished yet, because it called Call2) Call3 (to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\ -- now call 2 and 1 are still 'open', and this call is 'holding them') Call4 (to C:\WINNT\TEMP\) ...... ...... Call30 (to C:\WINNT\XYZ\ when this completes, all 'parent' calls can be closed, because it's the last folder to be hit, so now the function in Call1 can continue, which may produce another 'tree' of function calls) Does that make sense? Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Sep 23 20:27:48 2004 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:27:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - ADMIN Server Troubles Message-ID: <41533FD4.8127.698BF2@localhost> The mail server that is running DBA's mailing lists is in the midst of an identity crisis. It doesn't want to act like a mial server, which is why some mail is taking hours and days to deliver, as some of you have noticed recently. So I will need to take the server off-line this weekend. The server will be going off-line at around 9pm EDT (UTC +0400). I can't say for sure when it will be back on-line, but it will be before Monday Morning (UTC+0400) (Late morning for those of you in Europe and the UK) Hopefully this will resolve the problems and thanks for your patience while we work through this. From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 23 21:51:25 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:51:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Message-ID: Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Sep 23 21:59:50 2004 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:59:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: <18043796.1095994648352.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <000001c4a1e2$8f604b70$de1811d8@danwaters> Disk 2 Disk ($20) CD -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Sep 23 22:40:36 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:40:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software References: <000001c4a1e2$8f604b70$de1811d8@danwaters> Message-ID: <05c901c4a1e8$4156aae0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I back up to a second machine plus a USB drive. But I don't have much to back up. Just the front ends I work on. Then, from time to time, I zip the whole folder which has my product and shoot it to an archive folder on my web site so I have an off site copy. Rocky Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > Disk 2 Disk ($20) > CD > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:51 PM > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > Which backup software do most of you use? > > Backup Exec > ARCServe > TapeWare > Retrospect > Other? > > What media are you using? > Tape > DVD > Other > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 23 23:15:05 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:15:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I'd better clarify this question a bit - sorry about the confusion guys, thanks for responding though! Which server/network backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 24 00:02:54 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:02:54 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4154371E.20269.595779A@lexacorp.com.pg> On 23 Sep 2004 at 23:15, John Bartow wrote: > > Which server/network backup software do most of you use? > Backup Exec > > What media are you using? Tape -- Stuart From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Fri Sep 24 00:03:05 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:33:05 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C50E@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> BE Tape -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 1:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software I think I'd better clarify this question a bit - sorry about the confusion guys, thanks for responding though! Which server/network backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Sep 24 01:09:49 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:09:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC0E@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I always install Veritas Backup Exec I stil have two Client with (older) Cheyenne Software, but I was never that satisfied of Cheyenne like I am from Backup Exec. I case of customer low budget I use the backup (veritas Backup Exec) that included in Windows 2000 SBS. Media Always tape Several DAT 4/8, 12/24 installation (had severe problems at multiple site's with DAT 12/24 from HP). Several AIT 1x DLT Never had a problem with AIT systems. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:03 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software BE Tape -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 1:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software I think I'd better clarify this question a bit - sorry about the confusion guys, thanks for responding though! Which server/network backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Fri Sep 24 03:10:34 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:10:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B182@ALCUXB> We use Veritas Backup on 50gb AIT Tape on one server, and 20gb Travan Cartridges on another. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 24 September 2004 03:51 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Sep 24 04:00:23 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:00:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B182@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <000901c4a214$ed2b9ac0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> BE and Tapeware To tape. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 24 September 2004 09:11 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > We use Veritas Backup on 50gb AIT Tape on one server, and > 20gb Travan Cartridges on another. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 24 September 2004 03:51 > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > Which backup software do most of you use? > > Backup Exec > ARCServe > TapeWare > Retrospect > Other? > > What media are you using? > Tape > DVD > Other > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From artful at rogers.com Fri Sep 24 06:27:23 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:27:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006501c4a229$769b3ae0$6501a8c0@rock> I don't have a tape drive, so I don't use any sort of backup program. Sad but true. With twin 80GB drives, there's a ton to back up. I do have a DVD burner, however, so every day I copy My Documents, Outlook.pst and my Apps directory, under which all the code-related stuff lives. Best I can do with my limited funds. A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Sep 24 06:31:01 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:31:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6CB0@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB87D@ADGSERVER> The part after "tree:" is a simulated directory structure to show how on way of implementing a recursive directory function would process the directory tree. This is based upon the pseudo code that I sent earlier. If you have any specific questions, fire away! Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I was with you all the way till "tree:"... :-) it's too late tonight... I need some sleep. I'll look at these tomorrow, see I can figger 'em out. Thanks Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: 23 September 2004 16:49 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Sort of, but not really. Drew's example does have a looping structure, but it is calling itself. Here's and example through a directory tree: c:\ file1 file2 dir1 dir1file1 dir1file2 dir3 dir3file1 dir2 dir2file1 file3 first call into c:\ returns level 1 file1 - print it 1 file2 - print it 1 dir1 - call function with dir1 2 dir1file1 - print it 2 dir1file2 - print it 2 dir3 - call function with dir3 3 dir3file1 - print it 3 return from level 3 2 return from level 2 1 dir2 - call function with dir3 2 dir2file1 - print it 2 return from level 2 1 file 3 - print it 1 exit top level of function Is that clear as mud now? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders I gotcha, looping in other words... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders LOL. Recursion is when you have a function call itself. Function SomeFunction() DoThis() DoThat() For Each Something In SomethingElse SomeFunction Next End function Not it will repeat itself until all elements have been used. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders It's a little bit out of my league - I just hack vba in Excel... I hate it when you make me look words up... Hmmn, didn't help... "Recursive: An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms." Polynomial? eep, maths! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:dbatech at wolfwares.com] Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Empty folders right a little recursive code. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] Empty folders Hi all, does anyone know of a way to find empty folders in win2k? I'm re-ripping a lot of my cd collection, and some of the tracks/albums are being named more correctly as the online catalogs are more up to date than before, which is leaving me with a lot of empty folders. I have deleted the ones in the main tree, but as for going through all the artists folders and deleting the empty album names, that's going to be a pain... I was thinking that there has to be an easier way to do it than just looking... 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Fri Sep 24 08:59:29 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:59:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC25@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Well Arthur Thats better then I at my home pc.... I have about 400 GB of data on my home pc, family video and foto's but it is my music collection I put on pc that takes most space. And I'm only halfway my music collection. A (at least) native 400GB tapestreamer is way above my personel and company budget... So I'm gonna get me a SATA raid system to be atleast protected against disk crashes.. I'm not covered against stupidities or others but this is to the best I can do. Because it's music (and pretty static) I could consider putting a copy on a few 100's DVD.... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:27 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software I don't have a tape drive, so I don't use any sort of backup program. Sad but true. With twin 80GB drives, there's a ton to back up. I do have a DVD burner, however, so every day I copy My Documents, Outlook.pst and my Apps directory, under which all the code-related stuff lives. Best I can do with my limited funds. A. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:51 PM To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software Which backup software do most of you use? Backup Exec ARCServe TapeWare Retrospect Other? What media are you using? Tape DVD Other _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Fri Sep 24 10:26:14 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:26:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] GDIScan utility. In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6A32@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB884@ADGSERVER> I found out about a utility that will scan your system for the GDI vulnerable DLLs. There is a MS patch for this (one for office and one for the OS, I think). Get it here: http://isc.sans.org/gdiscan.php Bobby From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 24 10:27:42 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:27:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: <000901c4a214$ed2b9ac0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: Andy, Any particular reason you use TapeWare? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:00 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software BE and Tapeware To tape. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 24 September 2004 09:11 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > We use Veritas Backup on 50gb AIT Tape on one server, and > 20gb Travan Cartridges on another. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 24 September 2004 03:51 > To: _DBA-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > Which backup software do most of you use? > > Backup Exec > ARCServe > TapeWare > Retrospect > Other? > > What media are you using? > Tape > DVD > Other > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Fri Sep 24 11:09:11 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:09:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] GDIScan utility. Message-ID: Auto update attempted to download an M$ version of this utility last night. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:26 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] GDIScan utility. I found out about a utility that will scan your system for the GDI vulnerable DLLs. There is a MS patch for this (one for office and one for the OS, I think). Get it here: http://isc.sans.org/gdiscan.php Bobby _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Sep 24 15:06:51 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:06:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c4a272$080c6ce0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> To be honest John, no. This is at my main client. Theirs is a mixed NT and Netware setup. The boss bought Tapeware for the Netware as he thought it the best for that server. However we wanted to get Disaster Recovery working, and Tapeware just wouldn't hack it. So he bought BE, but now runs both, one after the other, as a kind of insurance policy. Well why not, since he had both. But BE cracked the DR, and it has always been BE on the NT server. So FWIW, that's the story. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > Sent: 24 September 2004 16:28 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > Andy, > Any particular reason you use TapeWare? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:00 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > BE and Tapeware > To tape. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Jon Tydda > > Sent: 24 September 2004 09:11 > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > We use Veritas Backup on 50gb AIT Tape on one server, and > > 20gb Travan Cartridges on another. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > > Sent: 24 September 2004 03:51 > > To: _DBA-Tech > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > Which backup software do most of you use? > > > > Backup Exec > > ARCServe > > TapeWare > > Retrospect > > Other? > > > > What media are you using? > > Tape > > DVD > > Other > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Sep 24 17:31:29 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:31:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software In-Reply-To: <000101c4a272$080c6ce0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <000101c4a272$080c6ce0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: I Backup my SQL Server databases to DISK, then from DISK to TAPE using the ol' MS backup software. I recenlty planted the idea of getting Veritas, we used to use it when I worked for another company, The software at the time was $500 bucks plus each option was $500, so things like SQL Server backup + Open Files were a must... and made the product $1500 out the door. :| At home I have a DVD burner, and I Ghost my C drive to 3 DVDs. music drive is backed up to a single 4.7 gb dvd, since I don't have much of a collection... but Pictures are DUAL BACKEDUP to a DVD+R and DVD-R, which I keep in seperate locations. when I add new pics I just burn more DVDRs On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:06:51 +0100, Andy Lacey wrote: > To be honest John, no. This is at my main client. Theirs is a mixed NT and > Netware setup. The boss bought Tapeware for the Netware as he thought it the > best for that server. However we wanted to get Disaster Recovery working, > and Tapeware just wouldn't hack it. So he bought BE, but now runs both, one > after the other, as a kind of insurance policy. Well why not, since he had > both. But BE cracked the DR, and it has always been BE on the NT server. So > FWIW, that's the story. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > John Bartow > > Sent: 24 September 2004 16:28 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > Andy, > > Any particular reason you use TapeWare? > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:00 AM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > BE and Tapeware > > To tape. > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Jon Tydda > > > Sent: 24 September 2004 09:11 > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > > > > We use Veritas Backup on 50gb AIT Tape on one server, and > > > 20gb Travan Cartridges on another. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > > > Sent: 24 September 2004 03:51 > > > To: _DBA-Tech > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Software > > > > > > > > > Which backup software do most of you use? > > > > > > Backup Exec > > > ARCServe > > > TapeWare > > > Retrospect > > > Other? > > > > > > What media are you using? > > > Tape > > > DVD > > > Other > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also > > > be legally privileged. The contents are intended for > > > recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available > > > on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol > > > Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, > > > Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No > > > 4057291 _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Sat Sep 25 07:11:41 2004 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up Message-ID: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost> Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running. Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND carbonnb at sympatico.ca That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to look at it. Thanks for your understanding and patience. -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line. From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 25 09:13:08 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:13:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up In-Reply-To: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost> Message-ID: Three cheers and a HUGE pat on the back for Bryan! He did this maintenance work in his personal free time! John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:12 AM To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running. Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND carbonnb at sympatico.ca That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to look at it. Thanks for your understanding and patience. -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 07:25:29 2004 From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:25:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Administrivia - Server Back Up Message-ID: Thank you for doing this work Bryan! I hope this does the trick and all wll be well again. Gary Kjos garykjos at hotmail.com >From: "Bryan Carbonnell" >Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software >issues >To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400 > >Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running. > >Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me >know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND >carbonnb at sympatico.ca > >That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to >look at it. > >Thanks for your understanding and patience. > >-- >Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com >There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this >line. > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Mon Sep 27 08:23:51 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:23:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: Message-ID: <0b8201c4a495$3ab158c0$0300a8c0@S856> does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of them on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as label. thank you Lembit Soobik From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 27 08:24:25 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:24:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB> I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of them on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as label. thank you Lembit Soobik _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Mon Sep 27 08:40:17 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:40:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <0b9701c4a497$86ef4060$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Jon, I have tried that with a pgm called 'AVI to MPEG converter', however it is almost impossible to get to the right frame on the film without waiting half an hour with my finger on the mouse button. I will try Power DVD thank you :) Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > them > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > label. > thank you > > Lembit Soobik > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Mon Sep 27 08:54:32 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:54:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: Hi All, I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us From bheid at appdevgrp.com Mon Sep 27 09:07:59 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A7458@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB88C@ADGSERVER> Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the other (IIRC). Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Hi All, I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Mon Sep 27 09:30:28 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:30:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: Yes I have printer sharing turned on, I'll take a look at the router setting when I get home. Thanks Bobby. Ed Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:08 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the other (IIRC). Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Hi All, I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Sep 27 10:02:39 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:02:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB88C@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <007f01c4a4a3$081a43a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are set to shareable as well as the printers. Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the other > (IIRC). > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop > from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to > get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Mon Sep 27 10:15:37 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:15:37 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <0be001c4a4a4$db2df330$0300a8c0@S856> thanks Jon, have tried it and it works - kind of works you wont beleive this: the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, it shows only part of the picture. when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides quite a bit. have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still some. now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop its again cut off. anybody have any idea whats going on? Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > them > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > label. > thank you > > Lembit Soobik > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Mon Sep 27 10:39:25 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:39:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB> <0be001c4a4a4$db2df330$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <0c0401c4a4a8$2b070d80$0300a8c0@S856> even more interesting when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black is that a new feature of WinXP? is this a new feature of save? anybody seen that? Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > thanks Jon, > have tried it and it works - kind of works > you wont beleive this: > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, > it shows only part of the picture. > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides > quite a bit. > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still some. > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop its > again cut off. > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > > them > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > label. > > thank you > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Mon Sep 27 10:39:09 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:39:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B199@ALCUXB> I used to get that with the old version of Power DVD I had - you couldn't save pictures, but I'd heard that they "fixed" it in the new version... sorry, can't remember version numbers off the top of my head. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] Sent: 27 September 2004 16:39 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame even more interesting when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black is that a new feature of WinXP? is this a new feature of save? anybody seen that? Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > thanks Jon, > have tried it and it works - kind of works > you wont beleive this: > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, > it shows only part of the picture. > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides > quite a bit. > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still some. > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop its > again cut off. > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > > them > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > label. > > thank you > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > privileged. 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From fhtapia at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 14:05:29 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:05:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame In-Reply-To: <0c0401c4a4a8$2b070d80$0300a8c0@S856> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB> <0be001c4a4a4$db2df330$0300a8c0@S856> <0c0401c4a4a8$2b070d80$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: IIRC, that has to do w/ that the image is not really there, it's uhh.. what do they call it?... overlayed... but if you return to PowerDVD, go into the configuration menu, then go into the advanced button, and there you will have an option tab for capture. choose the location of the .bmp and go from there... the resulting file can be chosen to be either window or original video source size :) good luck On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:39:25 +0200, Lembit Soobik wrote: > even more interesting > when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF > and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. > when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black > is that a new feature of WinXP? > is this a new feature of save? > anybody seen that? > > Lembit Soobik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > thanks Jon, > > have tried it and it works - kind of works > > you wont beleive this: > > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, > > it shows only part of the picture. > > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding > > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides > > quite a bit. > > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still > some. > > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop > its > > again cut off. > > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > > > them > > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > > label. > > > thank you > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 27 18:02:25 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:02:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame In-Reply-To: <0b9701c4a497$86ef4060$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <415928A1.21195.18E4BF18@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Sep 2004 at 15:40, Lembit Soobik wrote: > thank you, Jon, > I have tried that with a pgm called 'AVI to MPEG converter', however it is > almost impossible to get to the right frame on the film without waiting half an > hour with my finger on the mouse button. > I will try Power DVD > thank you :) > Lembit Soobik > Try Virtual Dub http://www.virtualdub.org/ You can find and any frame you want very quickly and step through fram by frame if you need to. Use it in conjunction with Irfanview http://www.irfanview.com for the screen captures. IF you want to use Virtual Dub to edit your mpgs as well, you need to save the edited version as an AVI and then convert it to mpg using "AVI to MPEG converter" or tmpgenc (http:/www.tmpgenc.net) or similar. -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 27 18:03:34 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:03:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <007f01c4a4a3$081a43a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <415928E6.7719.18E5CCA0@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Sep 2004 at 8:02, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > Bobby: > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > Are they all set up in the same Workgroup or Domain and with compatible IP addresses and masks? -- Stuart From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Sep 27 18:58:19 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:58:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <415928E6.7719.18E5CCA0@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02b601c4a4ed$dd103d90$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Stuart: They're all 'Workgroup' workgroup. The IP addresses are assigned by the router and fall into a narrow range 192.168.1.100, 101, 102, etc. That what you mean? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > On 27 Sep 2004 at 8:02, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Bobby: > > > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router > > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can > > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of > > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from > > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are > > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all > > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular > > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > > > Are they all set up in the same Workgroup or Domain and with compatible IP > addresses and masks? > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Sep 27 19:00:39 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:00:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <415928E6.7719.18E5CCA0@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02ba01c4a4ee$32214770$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Stuart: Further: Here's an example - I can 'see' my wife's computer 'Marsha' on the network neighborhood but when I try to access it I get \\Marsha is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. However, from her machine I can push anything onto mine or pull anything off. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > On 27 Sep 2004 at 8:02, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > > Bobby: > > > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router > > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can > > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of > > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from > > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are > > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all > > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular > > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > > > Are they all set up in the same Workgroup or Domain and with compatible IP > addresses and masks? > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 27 19:12:50 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:12:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <02ba01c4a4ee$32214770$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <41593921.17936.1925353B@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Sep 2004 at 17:00, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: Here's an example - I can 'see' my wife's computer 'Marsha' on the network > neighborhood but when I try to access it I get \\Marsha is not accessible. > You might not have permission to use this network resource. However, from > her machine I can push anything onto mine or pull anything off. > Then the problem is not with networking, it is with user permissions. Make sure that all of the machines have the same user/password pairs and that you have given those users access rights through the shares. -- Stuart From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 27 19:58:35 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:58:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c4a4f6$4c6b0a50$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Is it possible to tell Windows XP what port to use? The default is 3389, and I have one of my machines available on that port but I'd like to set up the other machine as well. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au Mon Sep 27 20:31:29 2004 From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:01:29 +0930 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access Message-ID: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C521@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=remote+desktop+al ternate+port -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access Is it possible to tell Windows XP what port to use? The default is 3389, and I have one of my machines available on that port but I'd like to set up the other machine as well. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Sep 27 22:02:12 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:02:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access In-Reply-To: <0A870603A2A816459078203FC07F4CD204C521@adl01s055.ilcorp.gov.au> Message-ID: <003101c4a507$8e89b4c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> That does it. Thanks! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=remote+desktop+al ternate+port -----Original Message----- From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Remote Access Is it possible to tell Windows XP what port to use? The default is 3389, and I have one of my machines available on that port but I'd like to set up the other machine as well. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Sep 27 22:50:43 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:50:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <41593921.17936.1925353B@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <033801c4a50e$546b2650$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Stuart: I haven't created any users or passwords. The laptop has a guest user and me as administrator. I don't have to give a password because I never assigned one. Same on Marsha's box except it fires right up to the desktop, so perhaps there's no guest account? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > On 27 Sep 2004 at 17:00, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > > Here's an example - I can 'see' my wife's computer 'Marsha' on the network > > neighborhood but when I try to access it I get \\Marsha is not accessible. > > You might not have permission to use this network resource. However, from > > her machine I can push anything onto mine or pull anything off. > > > > Then the problem is not with networking, it is with user permissions. > Make sure that all of the machines have the same user/password pairs and > that you have given those users access rights through the shares. > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Mon Sep 27 22:51:04 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:51:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB88C@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <034201c4a50e$60ce1420$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I think I've done all that. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the other > (IIRC). > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop > from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to > get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 27 23:50:56 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:50:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <033801c4a50e$546b2650$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: <41597A50.30672.1A23D3AA@lexacorp.com.pg> On 27 Sep 2004 at 20:50, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote: > Stuart: > > I haven't created any users or passwords. The laptop has a guest user and > me as administrator. I don't have to give a password because I never > assigned one. Same on Marsha's box except it fires right up to the desktop, > so perhaps there's no guest account? > Marsha's will be configured to "always log on as this user" or something similar. Make sure that there is a guest account configured and enabled on that machine and also one with the same logon you use on your machine (do you mean that you log on as "administrator" with no password or do have you created an account called Rocky with no password and Administrative rights?) -- Stuart From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 28 01:54:16 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:54:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <415928A1.21195.18E4BF18@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0c6301c4a527$f8e6cf40$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Stuart, I will try it out and let you all know Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > On 27 Sep 2004 at 15:40, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > thank you, Jon, > > I have tried that with a pgm called 'AVI to MPEG converter', however it is > > almost impossible to get to the right frame on the film without waiting half an > > hour with my finger on the mouse button. > > I will try Power DVD > > thank you :) > > Lembit Soobik > > > > Try Virtual Dub http://www.virtualdub.org/ > You can find and any frame you want very quickly and step through fram by > frame if you need to. > > Use it in conjunction with Irfanview http://www.irfanview.com for the > screen captures. > > > IF you want to use Virtual Dub to edit your mpgs as well, you need to > save the edited version as an AVI and then convert it to mpg using "AVI to > MPEG converter" or tmpgenc (http:/www.tmpgenc.net) or similar. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 28 02:04:55 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:04:55 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB><0be001c4a4a4$db2df330$0300a8c0@S856><0c0401c4a4a8$2b070d80$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <0c6901c4a529$75e32880$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Francisco, I will try that and let you know Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > IIRC, that has to do w/ that the image is not really there, it's uhh.. > what do they call it?... overlayed... > > but if you return to PowerDVD, go into the configuration menu, then go > into the advanced button, and there you will have an option tab for > capture. > > choose the location of the .bmp and go from there... the resulting > file can be chosen to be either window or original video source size > :) > > good luck > > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:39:25 +0200, Lembit Soobik > wrote: > > even more interesting > > when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF > > and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. > > when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black > > is that a new feature of WinXP? > > is this a new feature of save? > > anybody seen that? > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lembit Soobik" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > thanks Jon, > > > have tried it and it works - kind of works > > > you wont beleive this: > > > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > > > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, > > > it shows only part of the picture. > > > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding > > > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides > > > quite a bit. > > > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still > > some. > > > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop > > its > > > again cut off. > > > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > > > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > > > > them > > > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > > > label. > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 28 06:00:45 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:00:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B192@ALCUXB><0be001c4a4a4$db2df330$0300a8c0@S856><0c0401c4a4a8$2b070d80$0300a8c0@S856> Message-ID: <0cbf01c4a54a$6794bb60$0300a8c0@S856> thank you, Francisco, works great. Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Tapia" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > IIRC, that has to do w/ that the image is not really there, it's uhh.. > what do they call it?... overlayed... > > but if you return to PowerDVD, go into the configuration menu, then go > into the advanced button, and there you will have an option tab for > capture. > > choose the location of the .bmp and go from there... the resulting > file can be chosen to be either window or original video source size > :) > > good luck > > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:39:25 +0200, Lembit Soobik > wrote: > > even more interesting > > when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF > > and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. > > when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black > > is that a new feature of WinXP? > > is this a new feature of save? > > anybody seen that? > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lembit Soobik" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > thanks Jon, > > > have tried it and it works - kind of works > > > you wont beleive this: > > > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > > > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in Photoshop, > > > it shows only part of the picture. > > > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the surrounding > > > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 sides > > > quite a bit. > > > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still > > some. > > > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in photoshop > > its > > > again cut off. > > > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows to > > > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some of > > > > them > > > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > > > label. > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 28 06:01:23 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:01:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <415928A1.21195.18E4BF18@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0cc501c4a54a$7e875da0$0300a8c0@S856> Thanks, Stuart, workd great, and its free software :) Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > On 27 Sep 2004 at 15:40, Lembit Soobik wrote: > > > thank you, Jon, > > I have tried that with a pgm called 'AVI to MPEG converter', however it is > > almost impossible to get to the right frame on the film without waiting half an > > hour with my finger on the mouse button. > > I will try Power DVD > > thank you :) > > Lembit Soobik > > > > Try Virtual Dub http://www.virtualdub.org/ > You can find and any frame you want very quickly and step through fram by > frame if you need to. > > Use it in conjunction with Irfanview http://www.irfanview.com for the > screen captures. > > > IF you want to use Virtual Dub to edit your mpgs as well, you need to > save the edited version as an AVI and then convert it to mpg using "AVI to > MPEG converter" or tmpgenc (http:/www.tmpgenc.net) or similar. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de Tue Sep 28 06:06:37 2004 From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:06:37 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B199@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <0ced01c4a54b$39ca3560$0300a8c0@S856> Jon, the capture as described by Francisco works fine Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > I used to get that with the old version of Power DVD I had - you couldn't > save pictures, but I'd heard that they "fixed" it in the new version... > sorry, can't remember version numbers off the top of my head. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > Sent: 27 September 2004 16:39 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > even more interesting > when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF > and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. > when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black > is that a new feature of WinXP? > is this a new feature of save? > anybody seen that? > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > thanks Jon, > > have tried it and it works - kind of works > > you wont beleive this: > > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in > Photoshop, > > it shows only part of the picture. > > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the > surrounding > > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 > sides > > quite a bit. > > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still > some. > > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in > photoshop > its > > again cut off. > > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows > to > > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some > of > > > them > > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > > label. > > > thank you > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 28 06:04:58 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:04:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B19D@ALCUXB> Good, I'll have to look at my version, see if that's an option. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] Sent: 28 September 2004 12:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame Jon, the capture as described by Francisco works fine Lembit Soobik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > I used to get that with the old version of Power DVD I had - you couldn't > save pictures, but I'd heard that they "fixed" it in the new version... > sorry, can't remember version numbers off the top of my head. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > Sent: 27 September 2004 16:39 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > even more interesting > when I save a picture in a file BMP or even TIF > and then continue viewing the film, the picture changes. > when I turn the viewer (PowerDVD) off, the SAVED picture is black > is that a new feature of WinXP? > is this a new feature of save? > anybody seen that? > > Lembit Soobik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > thanks Jon, > > have tried it and it works - kind of works > > you wont beleive this: > > the PowerDVD is great to get to a place and select a frame, but then, > > when I make a screenshot (Ctl-Print or Alt -Print) and insert it in > Photoshop, > > it shows only part of the picture. > > when I make a snapshot of the whole screen, I see in photoshop the > surrounding > > desktop all right, but the picture in the window is cut off from all 4 > sides > > quite a bit. > > have tried to view it in Irfanview. this doesnt cut off so much, but still > some. > > now, when I save the picture from Irfanview as bmp and open it in > photoshop > its > > again cut off. > > anybody have any idea whats going on? > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Tydda" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:24 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > I think you can take a normal windows screenshot in the newer version of > > > Power DVD by Cyberlink Software... not sure if that's going to help as I > > > don't know if you can play normal mpeg files through it. > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] > > > Sent: 27 September 2004 14:24 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] extract MPEG frame > > > > > > > > > does anybody know of a small (cheap - better free) software which allows > to > > > extract single frames from an MPG file as JPG (or any other picture)? > > > I am recording some TVprograms from time to time and want to save some > of > > > them > > > on DVD, and it would be nice to extract a picture or two and use it as > > > label. > > > thank you > > > > > > Lembit Soobik > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > > > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > > > to the legal notice available on request from : > webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > > > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > > > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > > > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 28 06:59:59 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:59:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A7679@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB890@ADGSERVER> I did not send this twice, sorry about that. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network I think I've done all that. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > other (IIRC). > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at appdevgrp.com Tue Sep 28 07:02:28 2004 From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:02:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A7496@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB891@ADGSERVER> Sorry for the delay, I had to leave work early yesterday to pick up my daughter at school due to Jeanne. I will have to look tonight when I got home. I also created a share on each machine so that I could access a given directory. Maybe you need to set up some shares? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Bobby: I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are set to shareable as well as the printers. Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) TIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > other (IIRC). > > Bobby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Sep 28 09:51:56 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:51:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB891@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <00d101c4a56a$b3957750$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Bobby: I have set all the drives as shareable on all the systems. Which is what I would prefer. Totally open network. No restrictions needed in the house here. As yet. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Sorry for the delay, I had to leave work early yesterday to pick up my > daughter at school due to Jeanne. > > I will have to look tonight when I got home. > > I also created a share on each machine so that I could access a given > directory. Maybe you need to set up some shares? > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Bobby: > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Heid" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > > other (IIRC). > > > > Bobby > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or > > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From CMackin at quiznos.com Tue Sep 28 09:58:21 2004 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:58:21 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works Message-ID: A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? Thanks, Chris Mackin From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Sep 28 10:00:25 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:00:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1A8@ALCUXB> AFAIK you can't - they dont' speak to each other... the only way to do it is to go into works, export them as text then import those text files into excel... I just don't understand Microsoft making two products that do the sme job but which don't communicate with each other... completely pointless. Microsoft works is also my favourite oxymoron :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Mackin, Christopher [mailto:CMackin at quiznos.com] Sent: 28 September 2004 15:58 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? 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Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 10:08:58 2004 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:08:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:58:21 -0600, Mackin, Christopher wrote: > A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. > > Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? Office 2K (and later probably) have convertors for Works files. They are not part of the default install, so you will need to add these features. I don't recall exactly where they are in the installer, so you will need to hunt around. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From CMackin at quiznos.com Tue Sep 28 10:28:57 2004 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:28:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works Message-ID: I did see that openning Excel allows me to select a Microsodft Works 2.0 file to open, but it didn't work, not knowing the version of Works I don't know if it's prior to v2.0. I'll have to ask him if he's got the original software somewhere. -Chris Mackin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:58:21 -0600, Mackin, Christopher wrote: > A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. > > Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? Office 2K (and later probably) have convertors for Works files. They are not part of the default install, so you will need to add these features. I don't recall exactly where they are in the installer, so you will need to hunt around. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Sep 28 12:59:38 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:59:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: Rocky, I assume you've tightened up the security on the router. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Bobby: I have set all the drives as shareable on all the systems. Which is what I would prefer. Totally open network. No restrictions needed in the house here. As yet. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Heid" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:02 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Sorry for the delay, I had to leave work early yesterday to pick up my > daughter at school due to Jeanne. > > I will have to look tonight when I got home. > > I also created a share on each machine so that I could access a given > directory. Maybe you need to set up some shares? > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - > Beach Access Software > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Bobby: > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. Router > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some machines can > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because of > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at this from > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C drives are > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let all > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the ever-popular > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > TIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Heid" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned on? > > > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > > other (IIRC). > > > > Bobby > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or > > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Sep 28 13:58:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:58:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: Message-ID: <041201c4a58d$207e5ae0$6601a8c0@HAL9002> I don't know squat about my router. If it doesn't plug and play I get lost. I have done the router configuration thing - 192.168.1.1 - through my browser and done some stuff under the direction of a network guy but it was long ago. Anything I should look for there that might open things up? Thanks and regards Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Rocky, > I assume you've tightened up the security on the router. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Bobby: > > I have set all the drives as shareable on all the systems. Which is > what I > would prefer. Totally open network. No restrictions needed in the > house > here. As yet. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Heid" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:02 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Sorry for the delay, I had to leave work early yesterday to pick up my > > daughter at school due to Jeanne. > > > > I will have to look tonight when I got home. > > > > I also created a share on each machine so that I could access a given > > directory. Maybe you need to set up some shares? > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:03 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Bobby: > > > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. > Router > > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some > machines > can > > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because > of > > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at > this > from > > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C > drives > are > > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let > all > > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the > ever-popular > > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bobby Heid" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned > on? > > > > > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > > > other (IIRC). > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, > Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > a > > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > the > > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible > or > > > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > > New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Tue Sep 28 14:09:51 2004 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:09:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: The following link nicely summarizes what steps should be taken http://www.linksys.com/splash/wirelessnotes.asp I also noticed there was an upgrade to the firmware on 8/4/2004. I'll upgrade tonight, if I remember?? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:58 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network I don't know squat about my router. If it doesn't plug and play I get lost. I have done the router configuration thing - 192.168.1.1 - through my browser and done some stuff under the direction of a network guy but it was long ago. Anything I should look for there that might open things up? Thanks and regards Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesiny, Ed" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Rocky, > I assume you've tightened up the security on the router. > > > Ed Tesiny > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Bobby: > > I have set all the drives as shareable on all the systems. Which is > what I > would prefer. Totally open network. No restrictions needed in the > house > here. As yet. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobby Heid" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:02 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Sorry for the delay, I had to leave work early yesterday to pick up my > > daughter at school due to Jeanne. > > > > I will have to look tonight when I got home. > > > > I also created a share on each machine so that I could access a given > > directory. Maybe you need to set up some shares? > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin - > > Beach Access Software > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:03 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Bobby: > > > > I have four machines on a router of various OSs - W2K, WXP, WXP Pro. > Router > > supports wireless and I have a fifth machine on wireless. Some > machines > can > > see other machines - some not. Printer sharing is a problem because > of > > this. I'd like them all to see each other and have made passes at > this > from > > time to time. And given up from time to time. All the systems C > drives > are > > set to shareable as well as the printers. > > > > Maybe it's the router? Any leads on how you set up the router to let > all > > the machines see each other? What to look for? I have the > ever-popular > > Linksys BEFW 1154 (802.11b) > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bobby Heid" > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:07 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Yes, it is possible. Do you have file and printer sharing turned > on? > > > > > > Also, you have to set up the router to allow each machine to see the > > > other (IIRC). > > > > > > Bobby > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, > Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > a > > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > the > > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible > or > > > do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > > New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 14:13:53 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:13:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: there is a PLUGIN converter for Word Users to read WORKS documents watch for wrap! http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b9e11e83-f51b-4977-b572-8c042df802c1&displaylang=en OR http://tinyurl.com/6c6z2 I'm not sure how you would read the wks (exel like) spreadsheets, but you may get some success w/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/product/calc.html On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:28:57 -0600, Mackin, Christopher wrote: > I did see that openning Excel allows me to select a Microsodft Works 2.0 file to open, but it didn't work, not knowing the version of Works I don't know if it's prior to v2.0. > > I'll have to ask him if he's got the original software somewhere. > > -Chris Mackin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan > Carbonnell > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:09 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:58:21 -0600, Mackin, Christopher > wrote: > > A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. > > > > Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? > > Office 2K (and later probably) have convertors for Works files. They > are not part of the default install, so you will need to add these > features. > > I don't recall exactly where they are in the installer, so you will > need to hunt around. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Sep 28 14:51:12 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:51:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB890@ADGSERVER> Message-ID: <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 15:12:29 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:12:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB890@ADGSERVER> <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: Password your PC. I lock my pc (win2k) and my 8 yr old is allowed to only use it when I have time to supervise him. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:51:12 +0100, Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi folks > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other > day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from > accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are > chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos > the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the > time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products > (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > Cheers > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 28 15:33:54 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:33:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: Andy, I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 28 15:37:13 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:37:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you can't find another solution I can send you a cd with a very old version of works on it. Let me know. John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mackin, Christopher Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? Thanks, Chris Mackin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Sep 28 16:02:01 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:02:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c4a59e$6669ebd0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Sorry Francisco but this is a friend asking me about software. It's not me or my PC, and she's not asking for general guidance. That's for her to decide. She's specifically asking me for advice on available software for things like content-filtering. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Francisco Tapia > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:12 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > Password your PC. > > I lock my pc (win2k) and my 8 yr old is allowed to only use > it when I have time to supervise him. > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:51:12 +0100, Andy Lacey > wrote: > > Hi folks > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the > > other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting > > her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. > > And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of > stuff that I > > never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public > and anyway > > mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does > > anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > Cheers > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Tue Sep 28 16:03:42 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c4a59e$a29c8900$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen the parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > Andy, > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > Hi folks > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > Cheers > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 16:31:14 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:31:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <000701c4a59e$a29c8900$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> References: <000701c4a59e$a29c8900$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: FROM personal experiance... NIS has some wierd side-effects, A user brought her pc to me when she somehow locked her self out of the internet.... as long as the firewall was up it would not talk to the DSL or through the router... but when I turned it off it would function like normal. I even tried setting it to allow IE or FireFox all the way through w/ full permissions and it did not function correctly. 2ndly... all Content Filtering Software falls short at some point or another... all the obvious bases are covered... but you will get some content that makes it through it's filter because it can only Filter sooo much. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100, Andy Lacey wrote: > Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen the > parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > John Bartow > > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > Andy, > > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > Cheers > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Sep 28 16:59:41 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:59:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <20040928215954.AEEA5400B1@omta12.mta.everyone.net> http://www.netnanny.com/ My sister uses it to control her (now 14 yr old) son's surfing. He's reasonably computer saavy but was never able to bypass it since he didn't have a clue about the password. Not really even sure if he tried to bypass it, but if he did, he was not successful. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: 28 Sep 2004 12:51 pm > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Hi folks > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > Cheers > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Tue Sep 28 17:02:53 2004 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:02:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040928220306.8E6B2400B4@omta14.mta.everyone.net> If you haven't solved the problem by mid November, write me. I have a copy of MS Works that came with one of my computers. Have never installed it, but could do so and see if that will open it, so that I could save or export in something that Excel will open. But I'm leaving Sat for my annual jaunt to Salt Lake, and after I'm back need to "catch up". Hopefully, you'll solve the problem before then, but at least you'll have an option if you don't. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Mackin, Christopher > Sent: 28 Sep 2004 7:58 am > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works > > A co-worker of mine came to me with the remnants of his > daughter's machine that had crashed, but her had backups of > the main files. These files are Microsoft Works files from > an old Windows 98 machine (No further details on version or > specs). The files are .wps and .wks files (Similar to Word > and Excel). The .wps files open fine in Word, but the .wks > files are "Unrecognized Format" followed by jibberish when it opens. > > Does anyone have enough knowledge of Microsoft Works to > recommend how to possibly convert the .wks files to Excel? > > Thanks, > Chris Mackin > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 28 17:06:29 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Francisco, On the first point - I've installed (and support) dozens of NIS installations and have never had an issue like you describe. Of course I run it on one of PCs so i know it in and out pretty well. I would like more details :o) On the second point you are absolutely correct. Most content filters are for the most part a "reactive" type of filter. Of course Norton liveupdate handles updating urls to block as welll as well as AV updates, but it is still mostly reactive in nature and will never be perfect. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play FROM personal experiance... NIS has some wierd side-effects, A user brought her pc to me when she somehow locked her self out of the internet.... as long as the firewall was up it would not talk to the DSL or through the router... but when I turned it off it would function like normal. I even tried setting it to allow IE or FireFox all the way through w/ full permissions and it did not function correctly. 2ndly... all Content Filtering Software falls short at some point or another... all the obvious bases are covered... but you will get some content that makes it through it's filter because it can only Filter sooo much. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100, Andy Lacey wrote: > Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen the > parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > John Bartow > > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > Andy, > > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > Cheers > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 18:00:55 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:00:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well here are more details.. the PC is a Windows XP and is running NIS 2004. When the firewall is on, many of the programs in the "configure firewall" are set to *automatic* settings. and while I can PING from the command prompt, I cannot resolve the url of www.msn.com, the parental control is currently off. I can however navigate to the IP version of www.msn.com (I do not have the IP handy). On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:29 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Francisco, > On the first point - I've installed (and support) dozens of NIS > installations and have never had an issue like you describe. Of course I run > it on one of PCs so i know it in and out pretty well. I would like more > details :o) > > On the second point you are absolutely correct. Most content filters are for > the most part a "reactive" type of filter. Of course Norton liveupdate > handles updating urls to block as welll as well as AV updates, but it is > still mostly reactive in nature and will never be perfect. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > FROM personal experiance... NIS has some wierd side-effects, A user > brought her pc to me when she somehow locked her self out of the > internet.... as long as the firewall was up it would not talk to the > DSL or through the router... but when I turned it off it would > function like normal. I even tried setting it to allow IE or FireFox > all the way through w/ full permissions and it did not function > correctly. > > 2ndly... all Content Filtering Software falls short at some point or > another... all the obvious bases are covered... but you will get some > content that makes it through it's filter because it can only Filter > sooo much. > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100, Andy Lacey > wrote: > > Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen the > > parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > > John Bartow > > > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > > > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > > > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > > > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > > > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > > > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > > > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > > > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > > > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > > > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > > > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > > > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > > > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > > > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > > > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 28 18:14:22 2004 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:14:22 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <415A7CEE.22956.1E160D57@lexacorp.com.pg> On 28 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Mackin, Christopher wrote: > I did see that openning Excel allows me to select a Microsodft Works 2.0 > file to open, but it didn't work, not knowing the version of Works I > don't know if it's prior to v2.0. > Problem is MS dropped support for conversion *after* ver 2.0 which is over 10 years old. Since it was a '98 machine, I'd guess that the files are ver 4.0 or ver 4.5. Microsoft's solution for Works 3.0 and above is : "Save it in Works as an Excel file" :-( -- Stuart From dbatech at wolfwares.com Tue Sep 28 18:33:11 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:33:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when you can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, security, something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, they have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' problem again. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Hi All, I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. TIA Ed Edward P. Tesiny Assistant Director for Evaluation Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS 1450 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12203-3526 Phone: (518) 485-7189 Fax: (518) 485-5769 Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Tue Sep 28 20:21:22 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:21:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: Message-ID: <057301c4a5c2$a1d89260$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's machine can push anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' hers, however. So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it both ways. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when you > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, security, > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines > into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, they > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a > DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > problem again. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do > I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > TIA > Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From KP at sdsonline.net Tue Sep 28 20:51:42 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:51:42 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play References: <000101c4a594$81f4bf60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: <002e01c4a5c6$df453960$6501a8c0@user> Andy - I have installed Norton Internet Security for my kids' PC (ages 5, 9,11). The initial cost was about $AUD110, but on renewal it was half that for the subsequent year subscription. We have found it brilliant and very easy to use - you just set up a default user (one of the kids) and the default settings of child / teen / adult are very good. My kids are mad on NeoPets which Norton mysteriously blocked - and I had to adjust a 'privacy' setting to allow that site through - that's the only tweaking I've done. I did try some freeware such as 'We Blocker' which was OK but not as good, because Norton is so robust. That's my top pick. When we used We Blocker we felt like Nazi parents because it overblocked sites and they got really frustrated. Norton's blocking goes almost entirely unnoticed to the kids - they would only notice it if they specifically tried to do what your friend's kids did. The only worry we found for the kids was that on their PC we allow them to use Kazaa Lite (don't shoot me.....- my oldest son and friends want to download music). I know that it is Spyware etc etc but I can wipe the disk clean every couple of years if I need to - their PC is theirs alone. Anyway, I noticed that despite having Norton Internet Security installed you can actually download *anything* - the kids got quite a surprise when they actually downloaded an X-rated Simpsons video!! So that program also has a menu setting to block violence / porn etc. which is password protected. Norton Int Security includes Norton antivirus which is a pretty good deal. HTH Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 28 23:45:44 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:45:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Permenently disable windows XP AV stuff In-Reply-To: <002e01c4a5c6$df453960$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <000001c4a5df$33a49290$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Is there any way to permanently disable the built in "helpful" security monitoring from XP Pro? I have been working on my two XP systems today and have had to turn off the little monitor that warns me that the firewall / AV etc is not active AT LEAST 6 times in 4 hours. I go in and tell it that "yes I know" and for some reason it comes back again later. It seems that it returns whenever you do anything with NAV - install it, download updates etc. It has even turned the firewall back on a couple of times even though I have turned it off every time it does so. This is getting REALLY ANNOYING. Just LEAVE ME THE ^%$# ALONE!!! Can it somehow be completely and entirely deleted from the computer so that it just cannot be activated EVER? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Sep 28 23:50:38 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:50:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <002e01c4a5c6$df453960$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <000101c4a5df$e0aa1730$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Kathi, Kaza BY DEFAULT turns ON sharing back out the music they collect. You had better put a stop to that before you get a letter of "pay up" to the tune of about $3000. The PARENTS are being held responsible for their children's action (as they well should be) and they are suing and threatening suit. BTW, did you know that you can BUY individual songs from Walmart for 88c apiece? No, not every song is available, but I have purchased about 110 songs of the very best of country music in the last few weeks. $3000 will buy a LOT of songs legally. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Andy - I have installed Norton Internet Security for my kids' PC (ages 5, 9,11). The initial cost was about $AUD110, but on renewal it was half that for the subsequent year subscription. We have found it brilliant and very easy to use - you just set up a default user (one of the kids) and the default settings of child / teen / adult are very good. My kids are mad on NeoPets which Norton mysteriously blocked - and I had to adjust a 'privacy' setting to allow that site through - that's the only tweaking I've done. I did try some freeware such as 'We Blocker' which was OK but not as good, because Norton is so robust. That's my top pick. When we used We Blocker we felt like Nazi parents because it overblocked sites and they got really frustrated. Norton's blocking goes almost entirely unnoticed to the kids - they would only notice it if they specifically tried to do what your friend's kids did. The only worry we found for the kids was that on their PC we allow them to use Kazaa Lite (don't shoot me.....- my oldest son and friends want to download music). I know that it is Spyware etc etc but I can wipe the disk clean every couple of years if I need to - their PC is theirs alone. Anyway, I noticed that despite having Norton Internet Security installed you can actually download *anything* - the kids got quite a surprise when they actually downloaded an X-rated Simpsons video!! So that program also has a menu setting to block violence / porn etc. which is password protected. Norton Int Security includes Norton antivirus which is a pretty good deal. HTH Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 29 00:00:20 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:00:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Permenently disable windows XP AV stuff In-Reply-To: <000001c4a5df$33a49290$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <000201c4a5e1$3cc62620$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Never mind, I found it. It's a service which can be turned off. 8-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:46 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Permenently disable windows XP AV stuff Is there any way to permanently disable the built in "helpful" security monitoring from XP Pro? I have been working on my two XP systems today and have had to turn off the little monitor that warns me that the firewall / AV etc is not active AT LEAST 6 times in 4 hours. I go in and tell it that "yes I know" and for some reason it comes back again later. It seems that it returns whenever you do anything with NAV - install it, download updates etc. It has even turned the firewall back on a couple of times even though I have turned it off every time it does so. This is getting REALLY ANNOYING. Just LEAVE ME THE ^%$# ALONE!!! Can it somehow be completely and entirely deleted from the computer so that it just cannot be activated EVER? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Sep 29 01:36:12 2004 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:36:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <002e01c4a5c6$df453960$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <001b01c4a5ee$9cfcf700$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25> Huge thanks to everyone for their opinions. I'll pass them on. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Kath Pelletti > Sent: 29 September 2004 02:52 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > Andy - I have installed Norton Internet Security for my kids' > PC (ages 5, 9,11). The initial cost was about $AUD110, but on > renewal it was half that for the subsequent year subscription. > > We have found it brilliant and very easy to use - you just > set up a default user (one of the kids) and the default > settings of child / teen / adult are very good. My kids are > mad on NeoPets which Norton mysteriously blocked - and I had > to adjust a 'privacy' setting to allow that site through - > that's the only tweaking I've done. > > I did try some freeware such as 'We Blocker' which was OK but > not as good, because Norton is so robust. That's my top pick. > When we used We Blocker we felt like Nazi parents because it > overblocked sites and they got really frustrated. Norton's > blocking goes almost entirely unnoticed to the kids - they > would only notice it if they specifically tried to do what > your friend's kids did. > > The only worry we found for the kids was that on their PC we > allow them to use Kazaa Lite (don't shoot me.....- my oldest > son and friends want to download music). I know that it is > Spyware etc etc but I can wipe the disk clean every couple of > years if I need to - their PC is theirs alone. > > Anyway, I noticed that despite having Norton Internet > Security installed you can actually download *anything* - the > kids got quite a surprise when they actually downloaded an > X-rated Simpsons video!! So that program also has a menu > setting to block violence / porn etc. which is password protected. > > Norton Int Security includes Norton antivirus which is a > pretty good deal. > > HTH > > Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Lacey > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:51 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > Hi folks > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > word the other > day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about > protecting her child from > accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And > then there are > chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never > worried about cos > the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were > much older by the > time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids > have any products > (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this > kind of issue. > > Cheers > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From KP at sdsonline.net Wed Sep 29 01:44:27 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:44:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play References: <000101c4a5df$e0aa1730$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: <001101c4a5ef$c4839120$6501a8c0@user> Yeah - I turned off sharing straight away - especially since Kazaa actually promote using their software for getting other people's copies of other software, like Office etc. Walmart? Never heard of it - here our version may be Target where a single costs $4. Are you buying online for 88c or at the actual shop? BTW - it's interesting that you replied to my post when I haven't even seen my post to Andy get posted to the list yet (very strange....) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Colby To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play Kathi, Kaza BY DEFAULT turns ON sharing back out the music they collect. You had better put a stop to that before you get a letter of "pay up" to the tune of about $3000. The PARENTS are being held responsible for their children's action (as they well should be) and they are suing and threatening suit. BTW, did you know that you can BUY individual songs from Walmart for 88c apiece? No, not every song is available, but I have purchased about 110 songs of the very best of country music in the last few weeks. $3000 will buy a LOT of songs legally. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Andy - I have installed Norton Internet Security for my kids' PC (ages 5, 9,11). The initial cost was about $AUD110, but on renewal it was half that for the subsequent year subscription. We have found it brilliant and very easy to use - you just set up a default user (one of the kids) and the default settings of child / teen / adult are very good. My kids are mad on NeoPets which Norton mysteriously blocked - and I had to adjust a 'privacy' setting to allow that site through - that's the only tweaking I've done. I did try some freeware such as 'We Blocker' which was OK but not as good, because Norton is so robust. That's my top pick. When we used We Blocker we felt like Nazi parents because it overblocked sites and they got really frustrated. Norton's blocking goes almost entirely unnoticed to the kids - they would only notice it if they specifically tried to do what your friend's kids did. The only worry we found for the kids was that on their PC we allow them to use Kazaa Lite (don't shoot me.....- my oldest son and friends want to download music). I know that it is Spyware etc etc but I can wipe the disk clean every couple of years if I need to - their PC is theirs alone. Anyway, I noticed that despite having Norton Internet Security installed you can actually download *anything* - the kids got quite a surprise when they actually downloaded an X-rated Simpsons video!! So that program also has a menu setting to block violence / porn etc. which is password protected. Norton Int Security includes Norton antivirus which is a pretty good deal. HTH Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Sep 29 02:29:51 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:29:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <057301c4a5c2$a1d89260$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP protocol setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, essentially. Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's machine can push anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' hers, however. So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it both ways. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when you > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, security, > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines > into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, they > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a > DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > problem again. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Hi All, > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do > I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > TIA > Ed > > Edward P. Tesiny > Assistant Director for Evaluation > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > New York State OASAS > 1450 Western Ave. > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Wed Sep 29 03:10:00 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:10:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft ends free Hotmail access from Outlook Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1AB@ALCUXB> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/28/hotmail_from_outlook_fees/ Microsoft ends free Hotmail access from Outlook By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Published Tuesday 28th September 2004 10:32 GMT Hotmail users who use Microsoft's Outlook and Outlook Express clients will now have to pay for the privilege. Users must sign up to either a Hotmail Plus account for $19.95 a year or an MSN Premium account, at $99.95 a year to continue accessing the service from their desktop client. Microsoft cited abuse by spammers as the reason. Because its email clients are scriptable, Microsoft had been grappling with spammers who automated the sign-up and bulk sending processes. Rivals such as Yahoo! also charge a premium for POP3 access to their email services. This being Microsoft, things aren't straightforward. Just as Outlook uses common email protocols and obfuscates them in dense wrappings of RPC (Remote Procedure Calls), Hotmail shuns POP3 for a Microsoft implementation of WebDAV, a much richer web publishing protocol for which email is just one application. So, apart from a few clever hacks, client access to Hotmail has been limited to Microsoft email clients. Ximian's Connector software scrapes Exchange Server's WebDAV interface to provide Office interoperability for its Linux desktop, so it's theoretically possible that third party email clients will take up the onerous challenge. It's just very unlikely that they'll see much reward in the task.? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Sep 29 05:59:49 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:59:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: <001101c4a5ef$c4839120$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <000b01c4a613$73c5d170$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Walmart is the largest corporation in the world and the heirs of the person who started it (5 of them I think) are all in the list of the top 10 richest Americans at $15 billion apiece. http://www.walmart.com/music_downloads/introToServices.do I pay with my credit card so you MIGHT be able to buy there anyway. I am buying on-line John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Yeah - I turned off sharing straight away - especially since Kazaa actually promote using their software for getting other people's copies of other software, like Office etc. Walmart? Never heard of it - here our version may be Target where a single costs $4. Are you buying online for 88c or at the actual shop? BTW - it's interesting that you replied to my post when I haven't even seen my post to Andy get posted to the list yet (very strange....) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Colby To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play Kathi, Kaza BY DEFAULT turns ON sharing back out the music they collect. You had better put a stop to that before you get a letter of "pay up" to the tune of about $3000. The PARENTS are being held responsible for their children's action (as they well should be) and they are suing and threatening suit. BTW, did you know that you can BUY individual songs from Walmart for 88c apiece? No, not every song is available, but I have purchased about 110 songs of the very best of country music in the last few weeks. $3000 will buy a LOT of songs legally. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Andy - I have installed Norton Internet Security for my kids' PC (ages 5, 9,11). The initial cost was about $AUD110, but on renewal it was half that for the subsequent year subscription. We have found it brilliant and very easy to use - you just set up a default user (one of the kids) and the default settings of child / teen / adult are very good. My kids are mad on NeoPets which Norton mysteriously blocked - and I had to adjust a 'privacy' setting to allow that site through - that's the only tweaking I've done. I did try some freeware such as 'We Blocker' which was OK but not as good, because Norton is so robust. That's my top pick. When we used We Blocker we felt like Nazi parents because it overblocked sites and they got really frustrated. Norton's blocking goes almost entirely unnoticed to the kids - they would only notice it if they specifically tried to do what your friend's kids did. The only worry we found for the kids was that on their PC we allow them to use Kazaa Lite (don't shoot me.....- my oldest son and friends want to download music). I know that it is Spyware etc etc but I can wipe the disk clean every couple of years if I need to - their PC is theirs alone. Anyway, I noticed that despite having Norton Internet Security installed you can actually download *anything* - the kids got quite a surprise when they actually downloaded an X-rated Simpsons video!! So that program also has a menu setting to block violence / porn etc. which is password protected. Norton Int Security includes Norton antivirus which is a pretty good deal. HTH Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Lacey To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play Hi folks A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) they can recommend for this kind of issue. Cheers -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Wed Sep 29 07:55:50 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1AB@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <20040929125550.75457.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Running WinXP with all the patches. I was deleting unused software from Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, then rebooted and suddenly my Administrator account disappeared from the Users menu. I tried forming a new Administrator account, but was told that the account already existed. Anyone got any ideas how I can get it back? TIA, Arthur From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com Wed Sep 29 08:18:50 2004 From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:18:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared Message-ID: I make no warranties on this information found at: http://www.theeldergeek.com/missing_administrator_account.htm To Make the Administrator Account Always Visible on the Login Screen [Start] [Run] [Regedit] Registry Key: HKEY_LOCALMACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\SpecialAccounts\UserList Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value Name(s) as detailed below. Data Type: DWORD// Value Name: Administrator Setting for Value Data: [0 = Disabled / 1 = Enabled] Exit Registry and Reboot Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared Running WinXP with all the patches. I was deleting unused software from Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, then rebooted and suddenly my Administrator account disappeared from the Users menu. I tried forming a new Administrator account, but was told that the account already existed. Anyone got any ideas how I can get it back? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 29 08:43:41 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:43:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can set NIS to specifically block or allow URLs via the Firewall and via the intrusion detection components in addition to the Parental Control. That would probably be my biggest gripe about NIS. They have a "configure" dialog for each of these items and then an "options" dialog for each of these items. They should be combined. Have you tried to manually configure the firewall's permissions for the browser? Or you could go into the firewall configuration and remove the browser from the list and then let it prompt you for settings when you try to access the web. The other thing you might want to check is if there are other firewalls, AV, etc on the PC. I have found numerous brands on some of home PCs I've worked on. I guess when some people don't know what to do they just do everything! Removing these usually cleared up the vast majority of their problems. (I still think these companies screw with each other's applications-ala Netscape/IE in the 90s.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Well here are more details.. the PC is a Windows XP and is running NIS 2004. When the firewall is on, many of the programs in the "configure firewall" are set to *automatic* settings. and while I can PING from the command prompt, I cannot resolve the url of www.msn.com, the parental control is currently off. I can however navigate to the IP version of www.msn.com (I do not have the IP handy). On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:29 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > Francisco, > On the first point - I've installed (and support) dozens of NIS > installations and have never had an issue like you describe. Of course I run > it on one of PCs so i know it in and out pretty well. I would like more > details :o) > > On the second point you are absolutely correct. Most content filters are for > the most part a "reactive" type of filter. Of course Norton liveupdate > handles updating urls to block as welll as well as AV updates, but it is > still mostly reactive in nature and will never be perfect. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > FROM personal experiance... NIS has some wierd side-effects, A user > brought her pc to me when she somehow locked her self out of the > internet.... as long as the firewall was up it would not talk to the > DSL or through the router... but when I turned it off it would > function like normal. I even tried setting it to allow IE or FireFox > all the way through w/ full permissions and it did not function > correctly. > > 2ndly... all Content Filtering Software falls short at some point or > another... all the obvious bases are covered... but you will get some > content that makes it through it's filter because it can only Filter > sooo much. > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100, Andy Lacey > wrote: > > Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen the > > parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > > John Bartow > > > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > > > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > > > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > > > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > > > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > > > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > > > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > > > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > > > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > > > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > > > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > > > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > > > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > > > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > > > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 29 08:43:42 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:43:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works In-Reply-To: <415A7CEE.22956.1E160D57@lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hmmm... I did a quick check and both the old copies of Works I have in the archives were version 3.x. I have a customer who probably has an older version though. She still uses DOS. Otherwise you may be able to download a copy of the net somewhere. I've downloaded VisiCalc and Windows 1.0 just out of a momentary nostalgic interest :o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works On 28 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Mackin, Christopher wrote: > I did see that openning Excel allows me to select a Microsodft Works 2.0 > file to open, but it didn't work, not knowing the version of Works I > don't know if it's prior to v2.0. > Problem is MS dropped support for conversion *after* ver 2.0 which is over 10 years old. Since it was a '98 machine, I'd guess that the files are ver 4.0 or ver 4.5. Microsoft's solution for Works 3.0 and above is : "Save it in Works as an Excel file" :-( -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 29 10:49:55 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:49:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: Message-ID: <012601c4a63b$f7583190$6601a8c0@HAL9002> No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm looking in the right place. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP protocol > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, essentially. > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of the > machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's machine can push > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, and > send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' > hers, however. > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it both > ways. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when you > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > security, > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines > > into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, > they > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a > > DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > > problem again. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do > > I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > TIA > > Ed > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 29 10:58:17 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:58:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Permenently disable windows XP AV stuff In-Reply-To: <000201c4a5e1$3cc62620$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> References: <000001c4a5df$33a49290$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> <000201c4a5e1$3cc62620$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> Message-ID: Glad to see that XP is so helpful :) On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:00:20 -0400, John W. Colby wrote: > Never mind, I found it. It's a service which can be turned off. > > 8-) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:46 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Permenently disable windows XP AV stuff > > Is there any way to permanently disable the built in "helpful" security > monitoring from XP Pro? I have been working on my two XP systems today and > have had to turn off the little monitor that warns me that the firewall / AV > etc is not active AT LEAST 6 times in 4 hours. I go in and tell it that > "yes I know" and for some reason it comes back again later. It seems that > it returns whenever you do anything with NAV - install it, download updates > etc. It has even turned the firewall back on a couple of times even though > I have turned it off every time it does so. This is getting REALLY > ANNOYING. Just LEAVE ME THE ^%$# ALONE!!! > > Can it somehow be completely and entirely deleted from the computer so that > it just cannot be activated EVER? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From CMackin at quiznos.com Wed Sep 29 11:05:26 2004 From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:05:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Works Message-ID: Just wanted to say thanks to all for the help and software offers. -Chris Mackin From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Sep 29 12:08:57 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:08:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:43:41 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > You can set NIS to specifically block or allow URLs via the Firewall and via > the intrusion detection components in addition to the Parental Control. That > would probably be my biggest gripe about NIS. They have a "configure" dialog > for each of these items and then an "options" dialog for each of these > items. They should be combined. > > Have you tried to manually configure the firewall's permissions for the > browser? Or you could go into the firewall configuration and remove the > browser from the list and then let it prompt you for settings when you try > to access the web. Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. what part of that am I confusing? > The other thing you might want to check is if there are other firewalls, AV, > etc on the PC. I have found numerous brands on some of home PCs I've worked > on. I guess when some people don't know what to do they just do everything! > Removing these usually cleared up the vast majority of their problems. (I > still think these companies screw with each other's applications-ala > Netscape/IE in the 90s.) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:01 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Well here are more details.. > > the PC is a Windows XP and is running NIS 2004. > When the firewall is on, many of the programs in the "configure > firewall" are set to *automatic* settings. and while I can PING from > the command prompt, I cannot resolve the url of www.msn.com, the > parental control is currently off. I can however navigate to the IP > version of www.msn.com (I do not have the IP handy). > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:29 -0500, John Bartow wrote: > > Francisco, > > On the first point - I've installed (and support) dozens of NIS > > installations and have never had an issue like you describe. Of course I > run > > it on one of PCs so i know it in and out pretty well. I would like more > > details :o) > > > > On the second point you are absolutely correct. Most content filters are > for > > the most part a "reactive" type of filter. Of course Norton liveupdate > > handles updating urls to block as welll as well as AV updates, but it is > > still mostly reactive in nature and will never be perfect. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:31 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > FROM personal experiance... NIS has some wierd side-effects, A user > > brought her pc to me when she somehow locked her self out of the > > internet.... as long as the firewall was up it would not talk to the > > DSL or through the router... but when I turned it off it would > > function like normal. I even tried setting it to allow IE or FireFox > > all the way through w/ full permissions and it did not function > > correctly. > > > > 2ndly... all Content Filtering Software falls short at some point or > > another... all the obvious bases are covered... but you will get some > > content that makes it through it's filter because it can only Filter > > sooo much. > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:03:42 +0100, Andy Lacey > > wrote: > > > Yea I wondered about NIS. Used NAV for ever but never NIS so not seen > the > > > parental controls. Sounds the right sort of thing. Thanks John. > > > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > > > John Bartow > > > > Sent: 28 September 2004 21:34 > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy, > > > > I generally install Norton Internet Security for people that > > > > ask me to work on their home PCs. Its got AV, Firewall, and a > > > > host of other goodies and is easy on the end user. If they > > > > already have NIS on their PC they can turn on the "Parental > > > > Controls". If they Norton AV they can get a good price on an > > > > upgrade. Sometimes Norton offers competitive upgrade prices > > > > too. Parental Controls can be set to allow/disallow content > > > > according to general age and then tweaked in a manner you wish. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 PM > > > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks > > > > > > > > A colleague found her 9 year-old daughter Googling a rude > > > > word the other day. Not such a prob but it got her thinking > > > > about protecting her child from accessing porn sites, getting > > > > rude popups and so on. And then there are chatrooms. God, a > > > > whole nasty world of stuff that I never worried about cos the > > > > PC in our house is very public and anyway mine were much > > > > older by the time they came to use it. Anyway, does anyone > > > > with kids have any products (preferably free or dead cheap) > > > > they can recommend for this kind of issue. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > -Francisco > > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From KP at sdsonline.net Wed Sep 29 17:51:21 2004 From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:51:21 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing messages Message-ID: <001001c4a676$d77d6e90$6501a8c0@user> It looks like only some of the dba tech messages are coming through to me......I'm seeing replies when the original messages were never posted. Is anyone else in the same boat? (eg. my post to Andy never came through yesterday, and I can see further replies today with no original messages). I've checked my ISP who haven't blocked them... Kath From dbatech at wolfwares.com Wed Sep 29 18:39:25 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:39:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network In-Reply-To: <012601c4a63b$f7583190$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Message-ID: Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm looking in the right place. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP protocol > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, essentially. > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of the > machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's machine can push > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, and > send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' > hers, however. > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it both > ways. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when you > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > security, > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines > > into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, > they > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a > > DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > > problem again. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do > > I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > TIA > > Ed > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 29 19:47:56 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:47:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Missing messages In-Reply-To: <001001c4a676$d77d6e90$6501a8c0@user> Message-ID: <415B1F7C.6288.AFD872@localhost> On 30 Sep 2004 at 8:51, Kath Pelletti wrote: > It looks like only some of the dba tech messages are coming through to > me......I'm seeing replies when the original messages were never > posted. Is anyone else in the same boat? (eg. my post to Andy never > came through yesterday, and I can see further replies today with no > original messages). I've checked my ISP who haven't blocked them... Kath, No, you are not alone. There is a problem with the mailserver still. It's been acting up the last week or two. I'm working on, and have been for the past two weeks :( trying to figure out what is wrong with it. Please bear with me while I work on it. I sent to the list and off-line to make sure you get a reply. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. From bchacc at san.rr.com Wed Sep 29 19:48:26 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:48:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: Message-ID: <033301c4a687$329ecc00$6601a8c0@HAL9002> It was under the WINS tab. It was set to Default so I changed it to NetBios over TCP/IP, but it didn't help. Maybe I have to re-boot? There's a long job running on that box so I'll try it tomorrow when we boot up all the machines. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or Advanced > tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm looking > in the right place. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > protocol > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, essentially. > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of the > > machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's machine can > push > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, and > > send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' > > hers, however. > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it > both > > ways. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but when > you > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > security, > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the machines > > > into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' each other, > > they > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > NetBios > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with a > > > DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > > > problem again. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have a > > > printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out the > > > printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see the > > > desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this possible or do > > > I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > TIA > > > Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement > > > New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Sep 29 19:54:25 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:54:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared In-Reply-To: <20040929125550.75457.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1AB@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <415B2101.16482.B5C926@localhost> On 29 Sep 2004 at 8:55, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Running WinXP with all the patches. I was deleting unused software > from Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, then rebooted and suddenly > my Administrator account disappeared from the Users menu. I tried > forming a new Administrator account, but was told that the account > already existed. > > Anyone got any ideas how I can get it back? TweakUI Power Toy from MS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.msp x (Watch for wrap) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca For every bug fixed, there is a bigger bug not yet discovered. From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 30 01:42:45 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:42:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC3F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> It is hidden by default in the fast logon menu. For some reason it does apear sometime. At the logon screen, press twice CTRL+ALT+DEL, you will get the normal logon screen. Change the user in Administrator if not already. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:54 AM To: Arthur Fuller; Discussion of Hardware and Softwareissues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared On 29 Sep 2004 at 8:55, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Running WinXP with all the patches. I was deleting unused software > from Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, then rebooted and suddenly > my Administrator account disappeared from the Users menu. I tried > forming a new Administrator account, but was told that the account > already existed. > > Anyone got any ideas how I can get it back? TweakUI Power Toy from MS. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.msp x (Watch for wrap) -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca For every bug fixed, there is a bigger bug not yet discovered. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 30 01:45:08 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:45:08 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC40@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to the same name? Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm looking in the right place. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP protocol > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, essentially. > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > machine can push > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission to 'see' > hers, however. > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it both > ways. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > when you > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > security, > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' > > each other, > they > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have NetBios > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another computer' > > problem again. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > Ed > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > TIA > > Ed > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > 1450 Western Ave. > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From artful at rogers.com Thu Sep 30 08:49:42 2004 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040930134942.39221.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I tried that and it didn't work. Interestingly, the SpecialAccounts registry entry wasn't even there. Maybe it's somewhere else in Windows XP. Arthur "Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News)" wrote: I make no warranties on this information found at: http://www.theeldergeek.com/missing_administrator_account.htm To Make the Administrator Account Always Visible on the Login Screen [Start] [Run] [Regedit] Registry Key: HKEY_LOCALMACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\SpecialAccounts\UserList Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value Name(s) as detailed below. Data Type: DWORD// Value Name: Administrator Setting for Value Data: [0 = Disabled / 1 = Enabled] Exit Registry and Reboot Mark -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrator account disappeared Running WinXP with all the patches. I was deleting unused software from Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, then rebooted and suddenly my Administrator account disappeared from the Users menu. I tried forming a new Administrator account, but was told that the account already existed. Anyone got any ideas how I can get it back? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Sep 30 09:02:00 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:02:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC40@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <008001c4a6f6$0e8d6690$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Irwin: Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from the other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other machines. Any ideas? TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > the same name? > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > looking in the right place. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > protocol > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > essentially. > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > machine can > push > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission > to 'see' > > hers, however. > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it > both > > ways. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > > when > you > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > security, > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' > > > each other, > > they > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > NetBios > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > computer' > > > problem again. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > > Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > TIA > > > Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:07:52 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:07:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C3@ALCUXB> When you're sharing folders and drives in 2k or XP, you have Share Permissions, which dictate who can "see" the share, and Security Permissions which dictate what you can do to the share. You should check both of these to make sure that the user you log on as on YOUR pc has permission to see and use Marsha's shares. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 30 September 2004 15:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Irwin: Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from the other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other machines. Any ideas? TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > the same name? > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > looking in the right place. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > protocol > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > essentially. > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > machine can > push > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission > to 'see' > > hers, however. > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it > both > > ways. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > > when > you > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > security, > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' > > > each other, > > they > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > NetBios > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > computer' > > > problem again. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > > Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > TIA > > > Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Sep 30 09:30:32 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:30:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C3@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <009601c4a6fa$0ab90930$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: I've seen that permissions dialog but can't find it. How do I get there? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > When you're sharing folders and drives in 2k or XP, you have Share > Permissions, which dictate who can "see" the share, and Security Permissions > which dictate what you can do to the share. You should check both of these > to make sure that the user you log on as on YOUR pc has permission to see > and use Marsha's shares. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:02 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Irwin: > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on my > computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I > click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have > permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from the > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > machines. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > > the same name? > > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > > looking in the right place. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > > protocol > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > essentially. > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > > > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > > machine can > > push > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > > > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission > > to 'see' > > > hers, however. > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it > > both > > > ways. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > > > when > > you > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > > security, > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' > > > > each other, > > > they > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > > NetBios > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > > computer' > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > > > Ed > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > > TIA > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:34:02 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:34:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C6@ALCUXB> Right click on the folder/drive you want to share, then go to properties, and they're on the "Sharing" and "Security" tabs. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: 30 September 2004 15:31 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Jon: I've seen that permissions dialog but can't find it. How do I get there? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > When you're sharing folders and drives in 2k or XP, you have Share > Permissions, which dictate who can "see" the share, and Security Permissions > which dictate what you can do to the share. You should check both of these > to make sure that the user you log on as on YOUR pc has permission to see > and use Marsha's shares. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:02 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Irwin: > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on my > computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I > click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have > permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from the > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > machines. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > > the same name? > > > > Erwin The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 30 09:42:58 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:42:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! :o) At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the protection he needed. Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. what part of that am I confusing? From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:44:57 2004 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:44:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C8@ALCUXB> No, and that's really dumb advice... Being too secure is like having too much money... I can't see it happening! Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 30 September 2004 15:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! :o) At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the protection he needed. Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. what part of that am I confusing? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 10:07:22 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:07:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C8@ALCUXB> References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C8@ALCUXB> Message-ID: I suppose I could have re-installed the software. But I didn't... I've never had this type of problem btw, w/ any other software firewall.... Some companies (Adelphia) have been known to spill this type of advice when the end user has a hardware firewall and a software firrewall and has trouble connecting to the net. It's not good advise... but then end users who have too much security and then do not know how to use it often have more frustrations... they need to be taught how to use it, not to disable it. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:44:57 +0100, Jon Tydda wrote: > No, and that's really dumb advice... > > Being too secure is like having too much money... I can't see it happening! > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:43 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was > much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router > was all the protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 30 10:28:11 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:28:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exactly! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Some companies (Adelphia) have been known to spill this type of advice when the end user has a hardware firewall and a software firrewall and has trouble connecting to the net. It's not good advise... but then end users who have too much security and then do not know how to use it often have more frustrations... they need to be taught how to use it, not to disable it. From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 30 11:48:41 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just silly. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! :o) At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router was all the protection he needed. Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. what part of that am I confusing? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 12:22:01 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:22:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just silly. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was > much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router > was all the protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From MPorter at acsalaska.com Thu Sep 30 12:24:15 2004 From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:24:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) Message-ID: <635B80FE6C7D5A409586A6A110D97D170E4DC4@ACSANCHOR.corp.acsalaska.com> Have you thought about logging all internet traffic, telling your children you are doing it, and reviewing it periodically? I have seen software out there which will help you do this (chat rooms as well, I believe) behind the scenes. It's been a while, I can't lead you in any particular direction I'm afraid. Telling them what you expect and monitoring their actions may be easier than preventing them from doing something they shouldn't. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:45 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > > No, and that's really dumb advice... > > Being too secure is like having too much money... I can't see > it happening! > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:43 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never > had this issue > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. > cleaned the PC and > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I > worked on (nothing > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small > business client who > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL > (cost wise was > much better). He has been having problems with just about > everything since > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it > out for him. He > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a > tech tell him that > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with > their internet > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed > that the router > was all the protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 30 12:36:37 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:36:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Depends on the router/setup. My setup at home won't prevent something 'calling out', but our setup at work will. No one has direct access to the router (almost), so the only machines allowed out are our proxy, mail server (my machine, and Marks machine). No software 'firewall' necessary. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just silly. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this issue > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > :o) > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC and > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was > much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. He > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him that > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router > was all the protection he needed. > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > what part of that am I confusing? > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 12:50:18 2004 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:50:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: unless these machines have the proxy information logged into your internet options settings then any program can use IT to connect back out to the world and call home. A software firewall still stops this. ON TOP OF WHICH: If a machine should become compromised in your network, you will be sure to know that the one w/ the software firewall won't become infected/compromised. It sure helped me w/ the latest blaster worm that ran amok in our company's lan. (yes i know, proper precautions should be taken, but damn it they don't run SUS or a form of it to push out security updates, they still rely on windowsupdates damn it!) On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:36:37 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > Depends on the router/setup. My setup at home won't prevent something > 'calling out', but our setup at work will. No one has direct access to the > router (almost), so the only machines allowed out are our proxy, mail server > (my machine, and Marks machine). No software 'firewall' necessary. > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:22 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, > but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software > firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka > wrote: > > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just silly. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this > issue > > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > > :o) > > > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC > and > > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing > > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who > > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was > > much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since > > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. > He > > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him > that > > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet > > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router > > was all the protection he needed. > > > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > > > what part of that am I confusing? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 30 13:23:02 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:23:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, our router just doesn't let anything out from other machines then the few I mentioned. Can't do that with a $50 router though. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) unless these machines have the proxy information logged into your internet options settings then any program can use IT to connect back out to the world and call home. A software firewall still stops this. ON TOP OF WHICH: If a machine should become compromised in your network, you will be sure to know that the one w/ the software firewall won't become infected/compromised. It sure helped me w/ the latest blaster worm that ran amok in our company's lan. (yes i know, proper precautions should be taken, but damn it they don't run SUS or a form of it to push out security updates, they still rely on windowsupdates damn it!) On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:36:37 -0500, Drew Wutka wrote: > Depends on the router/setup. My setup at home won't prevent something > 'calling out', but our setup at work will. No one has direct access to the > router (almost), so the only machines allowed out are our proxy, mail server > (my machine, and Marks machine). No software 'firewall' necessary. > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > Tapia > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:22 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > a good hardware firewall will keep any other kind of connection out, > but it won't prevent software from calling home, that's what software > firewalls do. I prefer Sygate to ZoneAlarm tho. > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0500, Drew Wutka > wrote: > > I wouldn't run Zone Alarm on top of a router firewall. That's just silly. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:43 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) > > > > You are correct in your assumptions! Like I said, I've never had this > issue > > happen to me. Doesn't mean it can't happen! > > :o) > > > > At this point I would have uninstalled the entire suite. cleaned the PC > and > > reinstalled it. The most problematic NIS installation I worked on (nothing > > compared to your example) was one where the owner installed it. > > > > On this subject I just got off the phone with a small business client who > > recently moved his office complex from Cable access to DSL (cost wise was > > much better). He has been having problems with just about everything since > > then. He just called and asked me to come and straighten it out for him. > He > > had called the DSL company support this morning and had a tech tell him > that > > they couldn't help him while he was running a firewall and anti-virus > > program AND that these things were totally unnecessary with their internet > > access because of their security. He said the tech claimed that the router > > was all the protection he needed. > > > > Anyone else heard this kind of advice lately?! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco > > Tapia > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:09 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Child's play > > > > Yes I did try to invoke "Permit All" from the Firewall configuration, > > under the Programs Tab, I found IE and FireFox, I set both of them > > from Automatic to Permit All, while the Firewall was invoked, there > > was NO internet access. I disabled the NIS firewall and I had my > > internet back, I installed Sygate Personal Firewall, reboot, and > > resumed using the pc, this time I was able to get to the internet w/ > > either IE or FireFox depending on their Allow/Block stataus. > > > > so to me NIS was a hassle... IF the program has been given "PERMIT > > ALL" status for communication, I understand that to mean that the > > program has FULL permissions to access the INTERNET. > > > > what part of that am I confusing? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > -Francisco > http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- -Francisco http://ft316db.VOTEorNOT.org _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 30 14:06:40 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:06:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Drew, This is the standard modem with built-in router supplied by the DSL company. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) No, our router just doesn't let anything out from other machines then the few I mentioned. Can't do that with a $50 router though. Drew From dbatech at wolfwares.com Thu Sep 30 15:55:06 2004 From: dbatech at wolfwares.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:55:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What are we talking about. I think I was trying to say that it depends on the router. Depending on the capabilities of the router (which is usually determined by the price) you may or may not need something like Zone Alarm. A really good router eliminates that need. A cheaper router protects from coming, but nothing going out. There are variations in between. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) Drew, This is the standard modem with built-in router supplied by the DSL company. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) No, our router just doesn't let anything out from other machines then the few I mentioned. Can't do that with a $50 router though. Drew _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Thu Sep 30 16:01:53 2004 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:01:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC5D@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Aha Its a security issue. Change the share permissions to everyone Or Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. If u use passwords the passwords must match to.... Problem solved (I hope) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network Irwin: Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from >the other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other machines. Any ideas? TIA Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > the same name? > > Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > looking in the right place. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > protocol > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > essentially. > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > machine can > push > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission > to 'see' > > hers, however. > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block it > both > > ways. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > > when > you > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > security, > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To 'see' > > > each other, > > they > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > NetBios > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go with > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > computer' > > > problem again. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > > Ed > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I have > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared out > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > TIA > > > Ed > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 30 21:21:38 2004 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:21:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll have to get the brand/model number when I get there and let you know. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] security (was: Child's play) What are we talking about. I think I was trying to say that it depends on the router. Depending on the capabilities of the router (which is usually determined by the price) you may or may not need something like Zone Alarm. A really good router eliminates that need. A cheaper router protects from coming, but nothing going out. There are variations in between. Drew From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Sep 30 22:46:53 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:46:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA63B1C6@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <037f01c4a769$4a8a0360$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Jon: I don't get the users and permissions on WinXP following that sequence. Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Dba-Tech (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Right click on the folder/drive you want to share, then go to properties, > and they're on the "Sharing" and "Security" tabs. > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:31 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > Jon: > > I've seen that permissions dialog but can't find it. How do I get there? > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Tydda" > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > When you're sharing folders and drives in 2k or XP, you have Share > > Permissions, which dictate who can "see" the share, and Security > Permissions > > which dictate what you can do to the share. You should check both of these > > to make sure that the user you log on as on YOUR pc has permission to see > > and use Marsha's shares. > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > > Sent: 30 September 2004 15:02 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > Irwin: > > > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on > my > > computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. When I > > click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't have > > permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive sharable. > > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from > the > > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > > machines. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers to > > > the same name? > > > > > > Erwin > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally > privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject > to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk > ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. > Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. > Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bchacc at san.rr.com Thu Sep 30 22:50:34 2004 From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:50:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC5D@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Message-ID: <039501c4a769$ce9c2200$6601a8c0@HAL9002> Erwin: I'm having a little trouble locating that share permissions dialog box for the users Right clicking the drive, the Properties on the pop up menu, then Sharing, I get a dialog box with only a couple of check boxes - Local sharing and security and Network sharing and security. But no place to set user permissions. I've seen that user permissions dialog before but can't conjure it up anymore. Any ideas? MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software http://www.e-z-mrp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > Aha > Its a security issue. > > Change the share permissions to everyone > Or > Add the username from your computer also on the printer computer. > If u use passwords the passwords must match to.... > > Problem solved (I hope) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > - Beach Access Software > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:02 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > Irwin: > > Done. Actually using Workgroup - the default. When I go to network > places --> Entire Network --> Microsoft Windows Network --> Workgroup on > my computer \\Marsha shows up. So I think I'm 'seeing' her machine. > When I click on the machine however I get that message that says I don't > have permission for this network resource. I do have her C: drive > sharable. > >From her machine I can see the whole network and I can pull things from > > >the > other machines to her machine and push things from hers onto the other > machines. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Did anyone already mentioned to set your workgroup on both computers > to > > the same name? > > > > Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:39 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > Look at the properties of TCP/IP, and I think it's under the DNS or > > Advanced tab, you'll find NetBios over TCP/IP. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > > - Beach Access Software > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:50 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > No. They've all got TCP/IP checked in the network settings. If I'm > > looking in the right place. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > NetBios over TCP/IP is a setting in your network settings (a TCP/IP > > protocol > > > setting), it allows computer names to be sent across TCP/IP, > > essentially. > > > Sounds like hers is turned on, but the others aren't. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky > > > Smolin > > > - Beach Access Software > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:21 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only understand about 40% of these words. Some of > > > the machines can 'see' others. So I'm halfway home. My wife's > > > machine can > > push > > > anything onto any of the others and can pull from any of the others, > > > and send to the other printers. None of the machines has permission > > to 'see' > > > hers, however. > > > > > > So I'm not sure it's in the router because that would seem to block > it > > both > > > ways. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Drew Wutka" > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:33 PM > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > Rocky, just an FYI, I haven't read everything in this thread, but > > > > when > > you > > > > can't see a machine, it usually falls into three categories. One, > > > security, > > > > something is blocking stuff on your network. Two, plugging the > > > > machines into a hub/switch doesn't actually network them. To > 'see' > > > > each other, > > > they > > > > have to use computer browsing, and you need to make sure you have > > NetBios > > > > over TCP/IP enabled. Three, computer browsing sucks, if you go > with > > > > > > a DHCP/DNS/WINS server, you'll never have a network 'see another > > computer' > > > > problem again. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tesiny, > > > > Ed > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:55 AM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sharing a printer on a Wireless Network > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a wireless network to share my RoadRunner connection. I > have > > > > > > a printer connected to the desktop via parallel port. I shared > out > > > > the printer but I can see it from the laptop, actually I can't see > > > > the desktop from the laptop. What am I doing wrong? Is this > > > > possible or do I have to get a wireless card for the printer. > > > > TIA > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Edward P. Tesiny > > > > Assistant Director for Evaluation > > > > Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement New York State OASAS > > > > 1450 Western Ave. > > > > Albany, New York 12203-3526 > > > > Phone: (518) 485-7189 > > > > Fax: (518) 485-5769 > > > > Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Sep 30 23:50:49 2004 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:50:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who (or what) is 239.255.255.250 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c4a772$3d9ee3b0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805> I am playing with the built in hardware firewalls that comes with the MSI K8 Neo motherboard. This firewall is built in to the NVIDIA chipset used in my A64 motherboard. It supposedly has stateful packet inspection (not that I really understand what that means, just that it is supposed to be good) and other good stuff. So I turned it on. The firewall software is pretty nice, allowing you to set up 5 or 6 "levels" of protection, from off to anti-hacking, or set up custom levels. If you choose custom, then it has "wizards" that can turn on / off things like messenger and other chat programs, Telnet, email (various types) etc. I turned it on and then used the wizards to turn on things like chat clients, email, windows file sharing etc. When I view my log files, the firewall is getting traffic on blocked port, from 192.168.122.1 (my "head" router and DHCP Server that is my NETWORK "firewall" just behind the cable modem. It is sending to 239.255.255.250 UDP port 1900. I googled 239.255.255.250 and get nothing. I googled port 1900 and discovered that it is Windows XP universal PNP NETWORK traffic and supposedly I can turn it off. So I did (in all my XP machines) by stopping the service. I am still seeing these logs though. It just occurred to me that it might be directed at my networked All-in-one brother fax/scanner/printer which I will turn off briefly to see what happens. I turned off the network printer and the traffic (attempts?) didn't stop. I opened my router (Dlink 624 wireless / 4 port) software (browser) and looked for port forwarding on that port but don't see any. Is it the router trying to talk to something on the network? So, does anyone know what is happening here? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com