From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Apr 1 15:06:13 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 01:06:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: 1st of April Joke - Microsoft unveils new refactoring tool: CSCop Message-ID: <001c01c536fe$a5fafe50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> http://weblogs.asp.net/ralfw/archive/2005/04/01/396606.aspx Shamil :) From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Apr 4 09:49:22 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:49:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Powerpoint animated slide to AVI of MPEG? Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B598F@stekelbes.ithelps.local> Hi Group I have this one powerpoint slide with animation on it that I want to put in an AVI or MPEG file. I don't see how I can do that from Powerpoint (2003). Anybody done this before? Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/onsgezin This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and E-mail confirmation to the sender. IT Helps - I.T. Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Mon Apr 4 10:15:42 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:15:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Powerpoint animated slide to AVI of MPEG? SOLVED Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5990@stekelbes.ithelps.local> I just found out that my Coreldraw 12 screen capture software also captures animated screens into an AVI or Quicktime file. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT Helps Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:49 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Powerpoint animated slide to AVI of MPEG? Hi Group I have this one powerpoint slide with animation on it that I want to put in an AVI or MPEG file. I don't see how I can do that from Powerpoint (2003). Anybody done this before? Erwin Craps Zaakvoerder www.ithelps.be/onsgezin This E-mail is confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. 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Help Center *** Box Office Belgium & Luxembourg www.ithelps.be * www.boxoffice.be * www.stadleuven.be IT Helps bvba* ** Mercatorpad 3 ** 3000 Leuven IT Helps * Phone: +32 16 296 404 * Fax: +32 16 296 405 E-mail: Info at ithelps.be Box Office ** Fax: +32 16 296 406 ** Box Office E-mail: Staff at boxoffice.be _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Apr 5 06:29:39 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:29:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2698@ALCUXB> Hi all A user has asked me why our e-mails keep getting bounced from on particular destination, and with a bit of investigation, I've found that all the "bounces" are in fact error messages, simply saying "SMTP Error Code 554 Transaction Failed". I've spent the past half hour on the web trying to find out precisely what this means, and have come up with absolutely nothing. Does it just mean that it failed and no-one knows why? How do I fix it? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be Tue Apr 5 06:44:31 2005 From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:44:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B59A6@stekelbes.ithelps.local> It is posible that the destination smtp server uses RDNS (reverse dns). This means that, before actualy accepting a e-mail by the smtp server it wil first check if the reverse dns of the e-mail domain corresponds with the IP address from whom you are sending that e-mail. If this reverse dns fails your e-mail will be rejected. This can be resolved by asking your dns administrator (mostly your domain registrar) to create a pointer to your fixed ip address. But it can be something else to. You could ask the destinator if they use reverse dns for SMTP. Or maybe some kind of black and white listing could cause this to. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:30 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages Hi all A user has asked me why our e-mails keep getting bounced from on particular destination, and with a bit of investigation, I've found that all the "bounces" are in fact error messages, simply saying "SMTP Error Code 554 Transaction Failed". I've spent the past half hour on the web trying to find out precisely what this means, and have come up with absolutely nothing. Does it just mean that it failed and no-one knows why? How do I fix it? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Apr 5 06:51:50 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:51:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2699@ALCUXB> Thanks Erwin, I'll delegate that upwards :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] Sent: 05 April 2005 12:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages It is posible that the destination smtp server uses RDNS (reverse dns). This means that, before actualy accepting a e-mail by the smtp server it wil first check if the reverse dns of the e-mail domain corresponds with the IP address from whom you are sending that e-mail. If this reverse dns fails your e-mail will be rejected. This can be resolved by asking your dns administrator (mostly your domain registrar) to create a pointer to your fixed ip address. But it can be something else to. You could ask the destinator if they use reverse dns for SMTP. Or maybe some kind of black and white listing could cause this to. Erwin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:30 PM To: Dba-Tech (E-mail) Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages Hi all A user has asked me why our e-mails keep getting bounced from on particular destination, and with a bit of investigation, I've found that all the "bounces" are in fact error messages, simply saying "SMTP Error Code 554 Transaction Failed". I've spent the past half hour on the web trying to find out precisely what this means, and have come up with absolutely nothing. Does it just mean that it failed and no-one knows why? How do I fix it? Jon The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Apr 5 06:58:19 2005 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:58:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMTP error messages In-Reply-To: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2698@ALCUXB> Message-ID: <425309FB.16182.1070A16C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 5 Apr 2005 at 12:29, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > A user has asked me why our e-mails keep getting bounced from on particular > destination, and with a bit of investigation, I've found that all the > "bounces" are in fact error messages, simply saying "SMTP Error Code 554 > Transaction Failed". I've spent the past half hour on the web trying to find > out precisely what this means, and have come up with absolutely nothing. > Does it just mean that it failed and no-one knows why? How do I fix it? > Unless the server gives more info, it's very difficult to find out why it 554'ed. A lot depends on how you are sending your mail. If you have Port 25 access to the internet (ie your ISP doesn't trap it and require you to go through their servers), you can try telnetting into the rejecting server on Port 25, try to get it to accept a message and see what responses you get. You would of course need to know how SMTP works and what commands to issue :-) If you want to send me a copy (with complete headers) of an original message and a bounce, I can look into it further for you. -- Stuart From artful at rogers.com Tue Apr 5 11:38:55 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:38:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free copy of RealBasic In-Reply-To: <001c01c536fe$a5fafe50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <001c01c536fe$a5fafe50$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <4252BF1F.3060000@rogers.com> This was forwarded to me by my friend Pete Simpson. It's real. Arthur, I got me a free copy of RealBasic recently. You might feel like a copy for yourself. If so, this link below will getcha there: http://www.realbasic.com/vb6/index.php?id=KFWPPVLH If I get enough hits from this, I might win a prize! Pete. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Apr 5 12:11:13 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:11:13 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free copy of RealBasic Message-ID: Thanks Arthur /gustav >>> artful at rogers.com 04/05 6:38 pm >>> This was forwarded to me by my friend Pete Simpson. It's real. Arthur, I got me a free copy of RealBasic recently. You might feel like a copy for yourself. If so, this link below will getcha there: http://www.realbasic.com/vb6/index.php?id=KFWPPVLH If I get enough hits from this, I might win a prize! Pete. From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Apr 10 15:59:52 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:59:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Print Envelope From Outlook Message-ID: This would be a good function from Outlook. Open a contact, select Print #10 envelope, select printer, and that's it! Can this be done in Outlook? Or is there an add-in, custom form, or something similar? Dan Waters From john at winhaven.net Mon Apr 11 09:31:52 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:31:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Terminal Services SP1 added print feature Message-ID: <200504111432.j3BEVt28450056@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> FYI for TS users. With little fanfare, Microsoft has added a new feature in Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 that makes life easier for admins dealing with printing issues using Windows Terminal Services. SearchWin2000.com recently conducted an e-mail interview with Terminal Services and Citrix technology expert Stefan Vermeulen, who maintains the site PrintingSupport.com, to discuss the printing feature. http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=050411TB-TS_Printing From john at winhaven.net Tue Apr 12 10:04:44 2005 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:04:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time Sync Message-ID: <200504121505.j3CF4lm2037338@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Hi all, I have a client with whom I'm setting up a mobil testing lab network. The network is peer to peer with no server. Each computer has various pieces of testing equipment attached to it that need to be accurately time synchronized with each other. This lab will not be connected to the internet. I don't see a method to change the synchronization server in WinXP to use another PC (only a domain server). I used to do time sync with NT server and batch files but that was once a day a login. Given the discrepancies in type/models of PCs, and the inherit unreliability of PC clocks, this would probably need a constantly running process. Any ideas? John From Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk Tue Apr 12 10:08:10 2005 From: Jon.Tydda at alcontrol.co.uk (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:08:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time Sync Message-ID: <87C856B802C3D511B69B0002A5CD10EA9D2720@ALCUXB> Do a google search for atomic clocks or time servers... I used to have one on my pc that updated itself 24 times a day, or whenever you set it, and you could set it to connect to one of over 30 other atomic clock servers for accuracy. Jon -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: 12 April 2005 16:05 To: _DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Time Sync Hi all, I have a client with whom I'm setting up a mobil testing lab network. The network is peer to peer with no server. Each computer has various pieces of testing equipment attached to it that need to be accurately time synchronized with each other. This lab will not be connected to the internet. I don't see a method to change the synchronization server in WinXP to use another PC (only a domain server). I used to do time sync with NT server and batch files but that was once a day a login. Given the discrepancies in type/models of PCs, and the inherit unreliability of PC clocks, this would probably need a constantly running process. Any ideas? John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged. The contents are intended for recipient only and are subject to the legal notice available on request from : webmaster at alcontrol.co.uk ALcontrol Laboratories is a trading division of ALcontrol UK Limited. Registered Office: Templeborough House, Mill Close, Rotherham, S60 1BZ. Registered in England and Wales No 4057291 From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Apr 12 10:21:49 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:21:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Time Sync Message-ID: Hi John Use NetTime 2.0 on one of the machines as a "time server". This machine may need to sync to the outside world; you could use a dial-up connection for that: http://nettime.sourceforge.net/ Note the net time clients are included with Win2000/XP as explained in one of the links. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 04/12 5:04 pm >>> Hi all, I have a client with whom I'm setting up a mobil testing lab network. The network is peer to peer with no server. Each computer has various pieces of testing equipment attached to it that need to be accurately time synchronized with each other. This lab will not be connected to the internet. I don't see a method to change the synchronization server in WinXP to use another PC (only a domain server). I used to do time sync with NT server and batch files but that was once a day a login. Given the discrepancies in type/models of PCs, and the inherit unreliability of PC clocks, this would probably need a constantly running process. From shamil at users.mns.ru Tue Apr 12 12:10:10 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:10:10 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Interesting(?) long-term project in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA Message-ID: <002201c53f82$7d5e5640$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, Have a look at this URL who is living close to Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA): http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=267455 (watch line wraps). Despite the fact the this is a RentACoder project it IMO looks interesting and I guess should be paid rather well and this promise to be a long story with continuation because customers as they say have a lot of MS Access "silos" apps to upsize to .NET/Crystal Reports/MS SQL/Web... That's a pity I'm not living somewhere there - I'd definitely bid for this project... If somebody here will try and bid and win this project I'd be glad to assist with MS Access->Crystal Reports conversions and other stuff. I'm looking for work these days... again.... Beware: this project and customers don't look simple! (I can be wrong) Shamil From artful at rogers.com Tue Apr 12 14:50:27 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:50:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Grab RealAudio database In-Reply-To: <002201c53f82$7d5e5640$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> References: <002201c53f82$7d5e5640$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Message-ID: <425C2683.2080009@rogers.com> I just have the player, not the full version. I have recorded a bunch of CDs and would like to capture the track info into a database. Can I do this? If so, instructions, please. I'm up to about 300 CDs now, about 1/3 of my collection. I would hate to have to type in all this data that Real has captured for me! > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Apr 12 15:15:38 2005 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:15:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Grab RealAudio database In-Reply-To: <11469009.1113335527163.JavaMail.root@sniper23> Message-ID: There is a program called CD Trustee ($20?) that uses an Access BE. Dan Waters -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Grab RealAudio database I just have the player, not the full version. I have recorded a bunch of CDs and would like to capture the track info into a database. Can I do this? If so, instructions, please. I'm up to about 300 CDs now, about 1/3 of my collection. I would hate to have to type in all this data that Real has captured for me! > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at t-online.de Sat Apr 16 13:07:54 2005 From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:07:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP: change Drive Letter of CD-ROM References: Message-ID: <013601c542af$36541fc0$0800a8c0@s856> does anybody know how to change the drove letter of a CD-ROM drive in WinXP? thank you Lembit -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16.04.2005 From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 16 13:42:25 2005 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:42:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP: change Drive Letter of CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <013601c542af$36541fc0$0800a8c0@s856> Message-ID: On 16 Apr 2005 at 20:07, Lembit Soobik wrote: > does anybody know how to change the drove letter of a CD-ROM drive in > WinXP? Start| Control Panel | Administrative Tools| Computer Management That will open up a window. In the left pane, select Storage | Disk Management. Then in one of the right panes right click on the drive you want to change the drive letter of and select Change Drive Letter and Path... Then in the new window, click the change button. and select your new drive letter. It will require a reboot to take effect, IIRC. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up a thousand times the memory. From lembit.soobik at t-online.de Sun Apr 17 05:33:18 2005 From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:33:18 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] WinXP: change Drive Letter of CD-ROM References: Message-ID: <019101c54338$deb7bc60$0800a8c0@s856> Great :), thank you so much, Bryan I was desperately searching in device manager, where it used to be. well, need to save this instruction in a safe place thanks again Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WinXP: change Drive Letter of CD-ROM > On 16 Apr 2005 at 20:07, Lembit Soobik wrote: > >> does anybody know how to change the drove letter of a CD-ROM drive in >> WinXP? > > Start| Control Panel | Administrative Tools| Computer Management > > That will open up a window. In the left pane, select Storage | Disk > Management. > > Then in one of the right panes right click on the drive you want to > change the drive letter of and select Change Drive Letter and Path... > > Then in the new window, click the change button. and select your new > drive letter. > > It will require a reboot to take effect, IIRC. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca > A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up a thousand times > the memory. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16.04.2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 16.04.2005 From artful at rogers.com Mon Apr 18 10:18:40 2005 From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:18:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Grab RealAudio database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4263CFD0.3060002@rogers.com> Thanks for the lead. Grabbing it now. I'd rather write my own, but this will do for the interim. A. Dan Waters wrote: >There is a program called CD Trustee ($20?) that uses an Access BE. > >Dan Waters > > > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Apr 21 12:44:23 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:44:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky In-Reply-To: <4263CFD0.3060002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000501c54699$c154d4f0$44550c54@minster33c3r25> Hey folks Anyone got a free Excel password recover? I've tried 5 and they all want money. All I want to do is find the answers to a music quiz thingy, so it's not worth paying for. Happy to send quiz to anyone by the way. Good fun. Piccies of 270 bands from 60s onwards - my son and I have 260 and I need to know the rest. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Apr 21 17:17:39 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:17:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky In-Reply-To: <000501c54699$c154d4f0$44550c54@minster33c3r25> Message-ID: This is the one I use, pretty good it is too. http://www.straxx.com/excel/password.html By the way, is it the solo artists or the bands? I can send you the other one if you want? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 21 April 2005 18:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky Hey folks Anyone got a free Excel password recover? I've tried 5 and they all want money. All I want to do is find the answers to a music quiz thingy, so it's not worth paying for. Happy to send quiz to anyone by the way. Good fun. Piccies of 270 bands from 60s onwards - my son and I have 260 and I need to know the rest. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Apr 21 17:34:36 2005 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:34:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh, btw my score was 239... got the rest with help from my dad :-) I can't remember my score on the other one, I'll find out tomorrow :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 21 April 2005 23:18 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky This is the one I use, pretty good it is too. http://www.straxx.com/excel/password.html By the way, is it the solo artists or the bands? I can send you the other one if you want? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 21 April 2005 18:44 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky Hey folks Anyone got a free Excel password recover? I've tried 5 and they all want money. All I want to do is find the answers to a music quiz thingy, so it's not worth paying for. Happy to send quiz to anyone by the way. Good fun. Piccies of 270 bands from 60s onwards - my son and I have 260 and I need to know the rest. -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Apr 22 01:15:53 2005 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:15:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c54702$bd6a63a0$44550c54@minster33c3r25> Great, thanks Jon. Worked a treat. It's the bands, and yes please to the solo one. But if I send it to my son at uni that'll be a term's work stopped in its tracks! -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: 21 April 2005 23:18 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky > > > This is the one I use, pretty good it is too. > > http://www.straxx.com/excel/password.html > > By the way, is it the solo artists or the bands? I can send > you the other one if you want? :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: 21 April 2005 18:44 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Just being cheeky > > > Hey folks > Anyone got a free Excel password recover? I've tried 5 and > they all want money. All I want to do is find the answers to > a music quiz thingy, so it's not worth paying for. Happy to > send quiz to anyone by the way. Good fun. Piccies of 270 > bands from 60s onwards - my son and I have 260 and I need to > know the rest. > > -- Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Apr 29 07:01:42 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:01:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition to support outdated(?) technologies... Message-ID: <00e501c54cb3$ae9192c0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi All, I'm a kind of changing my profession (:)) and I'm asking for your opinion of this my first try to write a humoristic and slightly (hopefully slightly only) sarcastic text - please go here if you have time: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/idlpetit.htm and have a look and send me, please, your feedback privately Any feedback is very welcome! Honestly, I'm looking for setting long-term partnerships with somebody. The recent my programming works are here: http://www.code-vb.com/download.htm (Help Generator set of Add-ins). No, I'm not trying to promote this stuff for you to purchase it - I'm just referring it to show what was done here recently, off-shore, without any phone talks, any business trips - just using e-mail ping-pong and in urgent cases MS Messenger chatting to send short specs and to get back developed software. Yes, I know, off-shore development isn't in favor there. Should I leave my homeland and go there to maybe have better life and to compete for the jobs with you there at your home? Yes, the chances to land a better job look much higher in this case(statistics) but I think I can do some very good stuff here, which I will not be able to do there because it will cost more because of the higher life costs and the higher taxes rates there. Therefore, IMO, my off-shore development proposal is a fair business proposal because I'm not going "sitting here" to compete with you there using "dirt-cheap" dumping rates but I'm going to compete by proposing slightly lower rates, which will open opportunities, which in other cases will not be opened at all because they will be financially meaningless... So, I propose to get into longterm cooperation to assist you in your business and for you to assist me in my off-shore development freelance business... Thank you, Shamil P.S. Crossposted to Dba-OT. Will it reach it or not, I'm unsure about that, if it will reach, please, don't reply on this message there in DBA-OT, please, send me your feedback privately because I'm not reading DBA-OT these days.... -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Apr 29 09:33:07 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:33:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition to support outdated(?)technologies... Message-ID: Hi Shamil I don't find this OT, on the contrary very relevant. It's right that software doesn't get worn out - thus, to state that some software has turned bad just because something new is available, is wrong. What matters is if it runs stable and at acceptable speed and if it interfaces easily if that is needed (which, by the way, in my experience is the typical reason for obsoleting an application). As to "off-shore development" - we just call it outsourcing here - it is perfectly acceptable for jobs where human interaction is not that important. My son in law gets zope programming done in India and I'm convinced we will experience much more of such cross boarder development - as your helper add-ins project demonstrates. Of course, if the development involves a lot of discussion with clients for custom applications, the method will not be effective - these cases demand physical presence. /gustav >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04/29 2:01 pm >>> Hi All, I'm a kind of changing my profession (:)) and I'm asking for your opinion of this my first try to write a humoristic and slightly (hopefully slightly only) sarcastic text - please go here if you have time: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/idlpetit.htm and have a look and send me, please, your feedback privately Any feedback is very welcome! Honestly, I'm looking for setting long-term partnerships with somebody. The recent my programming works are here: http://www.code-vb.com/download.htm (Help Generator set of Add-ins). No, I'm not trying to promote this stuff for you to purchase it - I'm just referring it to show what was done here recently, off-shore, without any phone talks, any business trips - just using e-mail ping-pong and in urgent cases MS Messenger chatting to send short specs and to get back developed software. Yes, I know, off-shore development isn't in favor there. Should I leave my homeland and go there to maybe have better life and to compete for the jobs with you there at your home? Yes, the chances to land a better job look much higher in this case(statistics) but I think I can do some very good stuff here, which I will not be able to do there because it will cost more because of the higher life costs and the higher taxes rates there. Therefore, IMO, my off-shore development proposal is a fair business proposal because I'm not going "sitting here" to compete with you there using "dirt-cheap" dumping rates but I'm going to compete by proposing slightly lower rates, which will open opportunities, which in other cases will not be opened at all because they will be financially meaningless... So, I propose to get into longterm cooperation to assist you in your business and for you to assist me in my off-shore development freelance business... Thank you, Shamil P.S. Crossposted to Dba-OT. Will it reach it or not, I'm unsure about that, if it will reach, please, don't reply on this message there in DBA-OT, please, send me your feedback privately because I'm not reading DBA-OT these days.... -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s From shamil at users.mns.ru Fri Apr 29 18:02:47 2005 From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:02:47 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition to supportoutdated(?)technologies... References: Message-ID: <004f01c54d0f$a3eaa800$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru> Hi Gustav, Yes, I first thought the original petition on IDL was a serious appeal. Then I found they are kidding this way. Yes, that was a well made joke but these very talented and of course highly skilled IT professionals look like more and more "boiling in their own juice" (Russian ethimological expression). Technology race to feed the "hungry" technology itself. A kind of a self-satisfaction devil. Sad story... I wish I have never programmed on MS Windows and if it ever happens I get a good and longterm contract for Linux/Unix... whatever will interest me professionally and financially and for me to have time to get skilled in the mainstream development on this platforms then I'd not think for a long time to make this transition decision. I did program on IBM 370 for 5+ years then was 5+ years PDP11/RSX-11M, then 5+ years MS DOS and for 10 years now MS Windows - that latter looks like drained too much of my "juice". I need to change that probably. On the other hand the choices are not that large - I don't like Java because its main purpose IMO was and still is to compete with and to "kill" MS Windows platform... > Of course, if the development involves a lot of discussion > with clients for custom applications, the method will not > be effective - these cases demand physical presence. It could still be effective when working with Russians and East Europeans: I did work with Germans and other Western European companies, but Germany is a very representative example I think: - it's well known that the IT-stuff of the German companies(I'm talking about IT companies because I know about them only) - the stuff of them is "migrating" all around the country, often living in expensive hotels, the managerial staff takes just a day long expensive shuttle business trips to every corner of the Germany and other West European and not only West European countries etc. The same happens all over the West Europe - this is how the business works there. You know that better than me. Of course this is Germans and the West Europeans own business to keep and count all that expenses and after all these expenses are good(?) because they pump money all over their countries and don't let their economies "to sleep"... OK, you were talking about physical presence there - if I take the representative IMO sample of German IT business then I could say that expenses to get a developer from Russia there on-site for a short business trip to talk to the customer are usually less than expenses for the German IT-staff.(two way economic class plane ticket is usually cheaper than internal Germany plane trip - this is a proven fact). Well the time is two-three hours more to go there by plane taking into account we need to usually be in airport two hours before departure but for business trips this gap should be possible to minimize I think... And I'm not talking here and I'm not proposing to substitute German IT-stuff by having less expensive overheads Russian staff - I'm talking as I wrote in my previous message about opening the new opportunities because with on average lower overhead expenses and with lower rates the developers from Russia can work based on (because of lower personal income tax rate here and slightly lower life costs for comparable life level) - because of all that the projects, which will never start there because of their high costs, these projects become financially approved and profitable when shared among Western and Russian (West European) staff. But I still see a few (literally none, maybe I'm missing something?) of such joint staff venture companies here where IT-staff works as free and equally respected employees from all over the World based on fair rates based on real European level life costs here (it's less here as I wrote but not a matter of magnitude like one may think) - I don't see that. I could be blind. But I do know (I have heard that by my own ears) that it's a shame there in your countries to pay for high quality work the money, which are good enough just for simple foods and a cheap flat renting, some average quality clothes and a used car spoiling this environment - and (some of/most of) the Western businesses here they don't care about that, closing their eyes on very high exploitation level here and participating in this "unfair game". Yes, I know these Western businesses here are just a small percent of the other serious and fair small- and middle-size businesses, which do not hurry to invest in this economy because of corruption, unclear business rules etc.etc. (this country problems of course) - but while your fair business owners are sleeping there your unfair "colleagues" together with "new Russians" are taking control on this country(wood processing industry is controlled by US, Swedish and some other western countries capitals etc.), exploiting its resources and its people to the max... The most of the people here are getting mad of that, they don't believe nobody anymore, they don't see any hopes for the near better future not only for them but for their children also and the Western businesses here don't make it any better the way they are doing business here when they may think they are a kind of doing charity when giving work to the Russians.... I probably don't understand something in this life and World but the big money rules this world, the young people (my children included despite my efforts, my mistake of course) are spoiled by talking and thinking a way too much than it should have token about money - money is everything here now, a child can't go to good school without money, you can't get good healthcare without money(but even paying good money you can get into a big trouble like e.g I got with teeth implant), you can't get good sports (like tennis) and well equipped fitness without money etc.etc - when one will count all that expenses then the life costs become very high. Of course I can go for sports jogging on the beach and eat porridge and cabbage and walk and use only public transportation - then if I pay all that humble expenses for myself and for my family then the salary, which Alcatel(French-Belgium company branch here) managers are proposing here for a very serious position of their IT stuff - then this will be enough. And they don't get ashamed of that... The state cares little about all that despite all the good words they sometimes say, "new Russians" care little about that, Western businesses here care a little bit more but still far less they care about their stuff in their own countries for comparative work efforts... What I wanted to say by all that hectic stuff above? - I wanted to say maybe it's time to start fair direct business between our countries' peoples, people to people, family to family, business to business, start small and gradually growing big enough, leaving out of the board "old and new Russians", spoiled bureaucrats, officials and politicians and "capitalistic exploitation", playing fair game and paying fair salaries for good work This is possible I'm sure despite the fact one may find me groundless dreamer... There are good money in IT-business here you know. You may ask why then I'm looking for my work there? I will try to explain: It happened this way that I worked here for fifteen years after highschool and I didn't even think to go there where you live when most of my colleagues were leaving and who are still there, forever probably. I wanted to live and work in my homeland. This was uneasy, very uneasy I must say with galloping inflation and empty food shops shelves. Then occasionally I have got a work abroad. This was occasionally, I mean that - I didn't even think this may happen real soon and I didn't try to find my fortune there despite the fact I was already for some time in Internet newsgroups etc. - this was my former colleague who landed me this project who was starting an off-shore development company and they urgently needed of an experienced MS Access programmer there in Germany. I went there and I got the project with the salary ten times higher than I was making here that time (the prices difference between West Europe and Russia was quite high that time - this difference is almost zero now, except gasoline and flat rents for average block houses flats). So I got this project and I got into an international team and here where I found what free (German) world in IT-software house means. That was very similar to what we had here in Soviet times (believe me! I mean the way people work as we worked here before Perestroika/Glasnost (I was a computer science researcher/developer in Technical University) - we worked well, I'm working the same way/quality now - many my western colleagues find this is a very good work) except that they were paying good money for the good work done, good enough to get everywhere in this World one may wish (that time I first time in my life went to the tourist trip with family to Egypt), good enough to have free time between projects looking for and trying to land another project etc. And this was the time when I decided that this should be the way how it should work here in Russia too. And I still think it's possible to make it this way. I see here these "hungry for the good and well paid work" eyes of young people and not that young people and I can say this people here can do a lot when they treated fair way but most of them don't believe this is possible at all without leaving this country forever because of all what happened with this country during the last centuries and especially during last 20 years of communism fall and the wild capitalism "growth"... So there are good money in IT-businesses here. In big IT-businesses and projects. But I'm not in this camp. And I didn't try to get into it because the game they play is rarely fair here. They are often pumping money between bank accounts for very little work done signing fake projects. When good work done then the money are paid not to the people who did the main work but to all kinds of business owners, managers and consultants doing a few, if any useful work etc. And (sometimes a big share) goes to "the left" - these are bribes, gifts, presents to land another large project with so little useful output and so big money paid. This is how it often happens here... ...but with well developed and effective joint small-/midlle-size business there and here there are good chances to enter this well paid IT-business market here. And to start to play and work using the fair game rules only. You may get the good profits, immensive market, the best developers here and you'll change a little this spoiled world to the better. Isn't that a good goal?... ...and today's small IT-software programming businesses, a few of them here, they are just balancing on zero level because of high software piracy level and because there is no good enough demand on custom software here because average salaries are small and so in many jobs, which are usually automated there in your countries it's more financially profitable to use "man power" than a computer program - so there is no the small custom software programming business here, well paid business I mean (I did check that when was trying to find a job here - I did check that in the main recruitment agency of this city and they know the existing job market in details). So the business area where most of you work there and the business where I could have worked in the case it existed here - it's just absent, it doesn't exist here. This is why I'm working on the Add-ins for the Netherlands company, this is why I did write a program for the Belgian Federal Road Police, this is why I'm trying to find other projects via Internet... I don't want to leave this country. I wanted to live here, work and travel worldwide, live for a while there, talk to the customer/business partners there, invite you here, talk together to the customers here etc. I think this is possible. All costs included on my dreams above come true and based on less than usual for the same quality work there rate if staying mainly here. And without getting your jobs off-shore making higher your own unemployment rate. But by opening new business opportunities for your and my business, your and my country people. Working directly. Business to business. Making real life everyday work.... Best regards, Shamil P.S. BTW, Gustav, Alexander, do you remember him?, the big payroll/HRM software author and a small software company owner, he is "fighting" with one American recruitment company here (this is a huge worldwide international with American headquarters recruitement comany), which uses his software. They do not want to pay the fair price for this high quality software but the chances they quit are low I think - they got hooked with this his software, they need and so they are just trying to trade pennies from the huge profits they are getting here (e.g. if Alcatel or Interl or Sun hire via this company a skilled IT-professional they would have gotten for this "head" and just this head only a little bit less than Alexander wanted to charge them for one year support (and they sells hundreds or more of such "heads" per year) - is that a fair business of this Amercian company?(one should have seen the rooms they have their staff working in...) I don't think it's fair but as I see the unfair rules can be changed and are changing even here when strong and wise players like Alexander are getting in this market with real applications, which make the difference and which create the new opportunities... -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition to supportoutdated(?)technologies... > Hi Shamil > > I don't find this OT, on the contrary very relevant. > > It's right that software doesn't get worn out - thus, to state that > some software has turned bad just because something new is available, is > wrong. What matters is if it runs stable and at acceptable speed and if > it interfaces easily if that is needed (which, by the way, in my > experience is the typical reason for obsoleting an application). > > As to "off-shore development" - we just call it outsourcing here - it > is perfectly acceptable for jobs where human interaction is not that > important. My son in law gets zope programming done in India and I'm > convinced we will experience much more of such cross boarder development > - as your helper add-ins project demonstrates. Of course, if the > development involves a lot of discussion with clients for custom > applications, the method will not be effective - these cases demand > physical presence. > > /gustav > > > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04/29 2:01 pm >>> > Hi All, > > I'm a kind of changing my profession (:)) and I'm asking for your > opinion of > this my first try to write a humoristic and slightly (hopefully > slightly > only) sarcastic text - please go here if you have time: > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/idlpetit.htm > > and have a look and send me, please, your feedback privately > > Any feedback is very welcome! > > Honestly, I'm looking for setting long-term partnerships with > somebody. > > The recent my programming works are here: > > http://www.code-vb.com/download.htm > (Help Generator set of Add-ins). > > No, I'm not trying to promote this stuff for you to purchase it - I'm > just > referring > it to show what was done here recently, off-shore, without any phone > talks, > any business trips - just using e-mail ping-pong and in urgent cases > MS > Messenger chatting to send short specs and to get back developed > software. > > Yes, I know, off-shore development isn't in favor there. > Should I leave my homeland and go there to maybe have better life and > to > compete for the jobs with you there at your home? > Yes, the chances to land a better job look much higher in this > case(statistics) but I think I can do some very good stuff here, which > I > will not be able to do there because it will cost more because of the > higher > life costs and the higher taxes rates there. > Therefore, IMO, my off-shore development proposal is a fair business > proposal because I'm not going "sitting here" to compete with you > there > using "dirt-cheap" dumping rates but I'm going to compete by proposing > slightly lower rates, which will open opportunities, which in other > cases > will not be opened at all because they will be financially > meaningless... > So, I propose to get into longterm cooperation to assist you in your > business and for you to assist me in my off-shore development > freelance > business... > > Thank you, > Shamil > > P.S. Crossposted to Dba-OT. Will it reach it or not, I'm unsure about > that, > if it will reach, please, don't reply on this message there in DBA-OT, > please, send me your feedback privately because I'm not reading DBA-OT > these > days.... > > -- > Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Apr 30 11:36:03 2005 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:36:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition tosupportoutdated(?)technologies... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks for the comprehensive update! You are absolutely right that much more work could be done across the borders. But that said, it is my impression that an increase is happening, though slowly because of tradition and the time it takes for adopting new habits. A lot of talk has taken place here about the progress in outsourcing programming work to Ukraine, Russia and India, and globalisation is the hot political topic because much labour intense work is moved to our neighbour countries due to the very high rates here. And sure I remember Alexander. What he is experiencing is sadly the behaviour of many large companies acting like they own the World. However, my guess is that he will be able to handle it. The only advice you can get is to either stay off dealing with such companies or be prepared for the worst. /gustav >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04/30 1:02 am >>> Hi Gustav, Yes, I first thought the original petition on IDL was a serious appeal. Then I found they are kidding this way. Yes, that was a well made joke but these very talented and of course highly skilled IT professionals look like more and more "boiling in their own juice" (Russian ethimological expression). Technology race to feed the "hungry" technology itself. A kind of a self-satisfaction devil. Sad story... I wish I have never programmed on MS Windows and if it ever happens I get a good and longterm contract for Linux/Unix... whatever will interest me professionally and financially and for me to have time to get skilled in the mainstream development on this platforms then I'd not think for a long time to make this transition decision. I did program on IBM 370 for 5+ years then was 5+ years PDP11/RSX-11M, then 5+ years MS DOS and for 10 years now MS Windows - that latter looks like drained too much of my "juice". I need to change that probably. On the other hand the choices are not that large - I don't like Java because its main purpose IMO was and still is to compete with and to "kill" MS Windows platform... > Of course, if the development involves a lot of discussion > with clients for custom applications, the method will not > be effective - these cases demand physical presence. It could still be effective when working with Russians and East Europeans: I did work with Germans and other Western European companies, but Germany is a very representative example I think: - it's well known that the IT-stuff of the German companies(I'm talking about IT companies because I know about them only) - the stuff of them is "migrating" all around the country, often living in expensive hotels, the managerial staff takes just a day long expensive shuttle business trips to every corner of the Germany and other West European and not only West European countries etc. The same happens all over the West Europe - this is how the business works there. You know that better than me. Of course this is Germans and the West Europeans own business to keep and count all that expenses and after all these expenses are good(?) because they pump money all over their countries and don't let their economies "to sleep"... OK, you were talking about physical presence there - if I take the representative IMO sample of German IT business then I could say that expenses to get a developer from Russia there on-site for a short business trip to talk to the customer are usually less than expenses for the German IT-staff.(two way economic class plane ticket is usually cheaper than internal Germany plane trip - this is a proven fact). Well the time is two-three hours more to go there by plane taking into account we need to usually be in airport two hours before departure but for business trips this gap should be possible to minimize I think... And I'm not talking here and I'm not proposing to substitute German IT-stuff by having less expensive overheads Russian staff - I'm talking as I wrote in my previous message about opening the new opportunities because with on average lower overhead expenses and with lower rates the developers from Russia can work based on (because of lower personal income tax rate here and slightly lower life costs for comparable life level) - because of all that the projects, which will never start there because of their high costs, these projects become financially approved and profitable when shared among Western and Russian (West European) staff. But I still see a few (literally none, maybe I'm missing something?) of such joint staff venture companies here where IT-staff works as free and equally respected employees from all over the World based on fair rates based on real European level life costs here (it's less here as I wrote but not a matter of magnitude like one may think) - I don't see that. I could be blind. But I do know (I have heard that by my own ears) that it's a shame there in your countries to pay for high quality work the money, which are good enough just for simple foods and a cheap flat renting, some average quality clothes and a used car spoiling this environment - and (some of/most of) the Western businesses here they don't care about that, closing their eyes on very high exploitation level here and participating in this "unfair game". Yes, I know these Western businesses here are just a small percent of the other serious and fair small- and middle-size businesses, which do not hurry to invest in this economy because of corruption, unclear business rules etc.etc. (this country problems of course) - but while your fair business owners are sleeping there your unfair "colleagues" together with "new Russians" are taking control on this country(wood processing industry is controlled by US, Swedish and some other western countries capitals etc.), exploiting its resources and its people to the max... The most of the people here are getting mad of that, they don't believe nobody anymore, they don't see any hopes for the near better future not only for them but for their children also and the Western businesses here don't make it any better the way they are doing business here when they may think they are a kind of doing charity when giving work to the Russians.... I probably don't understand something in this life and World but the big money rules this world, the young people (my children included despite my efforts, my mistake of course) are spoiled by talking and thinking a way too much than it should have token about money - money is everything here now, a child can't go to good school without money, you can't get good healthcare without money(but even paying good money you can get into a big trouble like e.g I got with teeth implant), you can't get good sports (like tennis) and well equipped fitness without money etc.etc - when one will count all that expenses then the life costs become very high. Of course I can go for sports jogging on the beach and eat porridge and cabbage and walk and use only public transportation - then if I pay all that humble expenses for myself and for my family then the salary, which Alcatel(French-Belgium company branch here) managers are proposing here for a very serious position of their IT stuff - then this will be enough. And they don't get ashamed of that... The state cares little about all that despite all the good words they sometimes say, "new Russians" care little about that, Western businesses here care a little bit more but still far less they care about their stuff in their own countries for comparative work efforts... What I wanted to say by all that hectic stuff above? - I wanted to say maybe it's time to start fair direct business between our countries' peoples, people to people, family to family, business to business, start small and gradually growing big enough, leaving out of the board "old and new Russians", spoiled bureaucrats, officials and politicians and "capitalistic exploitation", playing fair game and paying fair salaries for good work This is possible I'm sure despite the fact one may find me groundless dreamer... There are good money in IT-business here you know. You may ask why then I'm looking for my work there? I will try to explain: It happened this way that I worked here for fifteen years after highschool and I didn't even think to go there where you live when most of my colleagues were leaving and who are still there, forever probably. I wanted to live and work in my homeland. This was uneasy, very uneasy I must say with galloping inflation and empty food shops shelves. Then occasionally I have got a work abroad. This was occasionally, I mean that - I didn't even think this may happen real soon and I didn't try to find my fortune there despite the fact I was already for some time in Internet newsgroups etc. - this was my former colleague who landed me this project who was starting an off-shore development company and they urgently needed of an experienced MS Access programmer there in Germany. I went there and I got the project with the salary ten times higher than I was making here that time (the prices difference between West Europe and Russia was quite high that time - this difference is almost zero now, except gasoline and flat rents for average block houses flats). So I got this project and I got into an international team and here where I found what free (German) world in IT-software house means. That was very similar to what we had here in Soviet times (believe me! I mean the way people work as we worked here before Perestroika/Glasnost (I was a computer science researcher/developer in Technical University) - we worked well, I'm working the same way/quality now - many my western colleagues find this is a very good work) except that they were paying good money for the good work done, good enough to get everywhere in this World one may wish (that time I first time in my life went to the tourist trip with family to Egypt), good enough to have free time between projects looking for and trying to land another project etc. And this was the time when I decided that this should be the way how it should work here in Russia too. And I still think it's possible to make it this way. I see here these "hungry for the good and well paid work" eyes of young people and not that young people and I can say this people here can do a lot when they treated fair way but most of them don't believe this is possible at all without leaving this country forever because of all what happened with this country during the last centuries and especially during last 20 years of communism fall and the wild capitalism "growth"... So there are good money in IT-businesses here. In big IT-businesses and projects. But I'm not in this camp. And I didn't try to get into it because the game they play is rarely fair here. They are often pumping money between bank accounts for very little work done signing fake projects. When good work done then the money are paid not to the people who did the main work but to all kinds of business owners, managers and consultants doing a few, if any useful work etc. And (sometimes a big share) goes to "the left" - these are bribes, gifts, presents to land another large project with so little useful output and so big money paid. This is how it often happens here... ...but with well developed and effective joint small-/midlle-size business there and here there are good chances to enter this well paid IT-business market here. And to start to play and work using the fair game rules only. You may get the good profits, immensive market, the best developers here and you'll change a little this spoiled world to the better. Isn't that a good goal?... ...and today's small IT-software programming businesses, a few of them here, they are just balancing on zero level because of high software piracy level and because there is no good enough demand on custom software here because average salaries are small and so in many jobs, which are usually automated there in your countries it's more financially profitable to use "man power" than a computer program - so there is no the small custom software programming business here, well paid business I mean (I did check that when was trying to find a job here - I did check that in the main recruitment agency of this city and they know the existing job market in details). So the business area where most of you work there and the business where I could have worked in the case it existed here - it's just absent, it doesn't exist here. This is why I'm working on the Add-ins for the Netherlands company, this is why I did write a program for the Belgian Federal Road Police, this is why I'm trying to find other projects via Internet... I don't want to leave this country. I wanted to live here, work and travel worldwide, live for a while there, talk to the customer/business partners there, invite you here, talk together to the customers here etc. I think this is possible. All costs included on my dreams above come true and based on less than usual for the same quality work there rate if staying mainly here. And without getting your jobs off-shore making higher your own unemployment rate. But by opening new business opportunities for your and my business, your and my country people. Working directly. Business to business. Making real life everyday work.... Best regards, Shamil P.S. BTW, Gustav, Alexander, do you remember him?, the big payroll/HRM software author and a small software company owner, he is "fighting" with one American recruitment company here (this is a huge worldwide international with American headquarters recruitement comany), which uses his software. They do not want to pay the fair price for this high quality software but the chances they quit are low I think - they got hooked with this his software, they need and so they are just trying to trade pennies from the huge profits they are getting here (e.g. if Alcatel or Interl or Sun hire via this company a skilled IT-professional they would have gotten for this "head" and just this head only a little bit less than Alexander wanted to charge them for one year support (and they sells hundreds or more of such "heads" per year) - is that a fair business of this Amercian company?(one should have seen the rooms they have their staff working in...) I don't think it's fair but as I see the unfair rules can be changed and are changing even here when strong and wise players like Alexander are getting in this market with real applications, which make the difference and which create the new opportunities... -- Web: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday Humor: A new petition to supportoutdated(?)technologies... > Hi Shamil > > I don't find this OT, on the contrary very relevant. > > It's right that software doesn't get worn out - thus, to state that > some software has turned bad just because something new is available, is > wrong. What matters is if it runs stable and at acceptable speed and if > it interfaces easily if that is needed (which, by the way, in my > experience is the typical reason for obsoleting an application). > > As to "off-shore development" - we just call it outsourcing here - it > is perfectly acceptable for jobs where human interaction is not that > important. My son in law gets zope programming done in India and I'm > convinced we will experience much more of such cross boarder development > - as your helper add-ins project demonstrates. Of course, if the > development involves a lot of discussion with clients for custom > applications, the method will not be effective - these cases demand > physical presence. > > /gustav > > > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 04/29 2:01 pm >>> > Hi All, > > I'm a kind of changing my profession (:)) and I'm asking for your > opinion of > this my first try to write a humoristic and slightly (hopefully > slightly > only) sarcastic text - please go here if you have time: > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/idlpetit.htm > > and have a look and send me, please, your feedback privately > > Any feedback is very welcome! > > Honestly, I'm looking for setting long-term partnerships with > somebody. > > The recent my programming works are here: > > http://www.code-vb.com/download.htm > (Help Generator set of Add-ins). > > No, I'm not trying to promote this stuff for you to purchase it - I'm > just > referring > it to show what was done here recently, off-shore, without any phone > talks, > any business trips - just using e-mail ping-pong and in urgent cases > MS > Messenger chatting to send short specs and to get back developed > software. > > Yes, I know, off-shore development isn't in favor there. > Should I leave my homeland and go there to maybe have better life and > to > compete for the jobs with you there at your home? > Yes, the chances to land a better job look much higher in this > case(statistics) but I think I can do some very good stuff here, which > I > will not be able to do there because it will cost more because of the > higher > life costs and the higher taxes rates there. > Therefore, IMO, my off-shore development proposal is a fair business > proposal because I'm not going "sitting here" to compete with you > there > using "dirt-cheap" dumping rates but I'm going to compete by proposing > slightly lower rates, which will open opportunities, which in other > cases > will not be opened at all because they will be financially > meaningless... > So, I propose to get into longterm cooperation to assist you in your > business and for you to assist me in my off-shore development > freelance > business... > > Thank you, > Shamil > > P.S. Crossposted to Dba-OT. Will it reach it or not, I'm unsure about > that, > if it will reach, please, don't reply on this message there in DBA-OT, > please, send me your feedback privately because I'm not reading DBA-OT > these > days....